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NBA 2K20 Will Feature the WNBA

NBA 2K20 will feature the WNBA. While the trailer, released earlier today, didn’t show anything specific, it’s clear to see the WNBA will be included in the game this year.

Back in February, it was revealed the WNBA would be in the game, in some form, as WNBA players’ Renee Montgomery and A’ja Wilson confirmed it.

It’s just a matter of time before 2K reveals the full details on how the WNBA will be implemented in the game. If I were to guess, it will be exhibition games only, with possible guest appearances from players in MyCAREER mode.

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  1. The more the better. Hope they also focus on National Teams and EuroLeague too. Would make the game more of a complete basketball experience. Not to mention all that it would add to MyLeague.
    supermati
    The more the better. Hope they also focus on National Teams and EuroLeague too. Would make the game more of a complete basketball experience. Not to mention all that it would add to MyLeague.

    Sorry, but in my opinion if you don't plan to do it right, just don't do it. I can really live without euroleague teams, if they put as less effort in it as last time. Most players didn't resemble their real life counterparts at all, neither with their appearance nor with their ratings. In one year they even had a spelling mistake in a team's name. If I want to play with expansion teams full of random players, I can do that right now, no need for 2k to put any "effort" in it.
    What is the point of adding them if you can't even play a MyTeam franchise with them? Same goes with the EuroLeague teams, maybe it could be an added element to free agency/drafting/scouting where you have to send scouts to see how those guys play.
    YungGun
    Gotta have females players for park too or it won't really matter.

    This here. The big issue will be if they cripple females compared to Male counterparts though. While I understand the argument(at the same workout levels, I lost about 80% of my muscle mass when I started transition), the ability to make women in the park will be negated if they can't be effective.
    Trust me, I'm very hype to be able to actually be myself in a game, just want it done right.
    I know there aren't enough WNBA teams for a full MyLeague. Unless something changes with 2k20, we still cant cut the number of teams down from 30. Hopefully they have a season mode for the WNBA teams. I'd play that for a change of pace. I don't expect, though. I think this is a cool addition.
    i don't know much about WNBA , but i like the idea.
    i just hope all the teams will be present,and implement it with a specific mode.
    not like 2K did with euroleague teams.
    My opinion is that they had better add more than exhibition games. Live tried that and it was just disrespectful. Give the WNBA Season/Franchise Mode, MyPlayer, and the same options to play Streetball. Would be phenomenal and 2K would sell even more copies
    This is a waste of resources. I am disappointed to say the least. Add WNBA to cater to the 2% of NBA 2k gamers that are female so they can be politically correct.
    This is truth!
    CaptainFear
    This is a waste of resources. I am disappointed to say the least.* Add WNBA to cater to the 2% of NBA 2k gamers that are female so they can be politically correct.*

    So....do we blame EA NBA LIVE for starting all this? This is no different than adding old school or Euro teams.
    In fact I actually wish that they do use more resources when they add teams like these. I'm pretty sure WNBA crowds sound a lot more different from the NBA one. Man...I would play those Euro league teams if they captured the crowd atmosphere.
    Hope it’s more than just a token move and they allow franchise.
    I’m sure a few cavemen will beat their chest and claim only 2% or something want to use this but that isn’t true. At all. Hopefully they give this a fully feature Franchise and for those that want it it’s their for those that don’t they don’t need to play it.
    Just one off games will be pointless
    stocksy
    Hope it’s more than just a token move and they allow franchise.
    I’m sure a few cavemen will beat their chest and claim only 2% or something want to use this but that isn’t true. At all. Hopefully they give this a fully feature Franchise and for those that want it it’s their for those that don’t they don’t need to play it.
    Just one off games will be pointless

    UG UG. Me caveman
    If 2K's WNBA component doesn't have at least a season mode, doubt I'd play it. I already have NBA Live's WNBA...  I would have engaged the WNBA as a season on NBA Live after the real NBA Finals ended (just to fill in the Summer gap). Just making it exhibition just doesn't make sense. Makes me think EA or NBA Live could have added season mode but want to WITHHOLD features to include and hype in next iteration of game.
    It's about time to add them into the game. Now I'll need for them to be available for some ranked h2h games.
    Matter of fact: they should have made Candace Parker or Britney Griner a cover athlete for the standard edition of 2K20.
    ViolenceFight
    This here. The big issue will be if they cripple females compared to Male counterparts though. While I understand the argument(at the same workout levels, I lost about 80% of my muscle mass when I started transition), the ability to make women in the park will be negated if they can't be effective.
    Trust me, I'm very hype to be able to actually be myself in a game, just want it done right.

    They better get the body type right.
    I understand 2K, girls play games in this era, so it covers another part of the market and it opens Park for them.
    But as an offline player, i dont give a **** about this mode.
    Honestly, we saw how they covered (and gave up) Euroleague, i dont expect more from with WNBA mode.
    The only positive point as a PC player : it gives modders more slots for making retro rosters.
    Incredibly dumb. You're gonna eat up a bunch of development time for the WNBA? I mean seriously, the WNBA probably averages less that a few hundred thousand views for their games. I'll never understand why these gaming companies feel the need to virtue signal and destroy their product in the process.
    I hope this means we will have a full functioning G league, I would rather have that first. But anyway, as long as the WNBA is implemented right(better than NBA Live) then I'm on board.
    What I would like to see is:
    Ability to play with them in the NBA Myleague, by being apart of the off season tasks with full trades, edit draft classes, player creation, the works. And it would be cool if they can retire and become an NBA head/assistant coach.
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    Since Live did it 2K was gonna do it, I think all of us knew that. It's cool though. I personally have no interest in the WNBA, so I won't play it, but complaining that 2K "wasted time" putting development time into this is just stupid. They make the game, you buy it if you want to. They don't have any obligation to make it so that everyone buys each year. It's our choice.
    Nice I like it....my only concerns are
    1. making the body types look right and feminine
    2. also movement animations not looking like the reused NBA Male animations ...would be great if u can see the differences with great mocaps from movement, to layups etc
    The wnba isn't very popular and I feel like the resources used for this would be better used to improve the faces of legends and players tendencies overall. I do feel however they should have female representation in the park...beyond the boost lady lol.
    CaptainFear
    This is a waste of resources. I am disappointed to say the least. Add WNBA to cater to the 2% of NBA 2k gamers that are female so they can be politically correct.
    This is truth!

    It's not the truth though. It's insanely sexist and wrong.
    jbrock11
    Incredibly dumb. You're gonna eat up a bunch of development time for the WNBA? I mean seriously, the WNBA probably averages less that a few hundred thousand views for their games. I'll never understand why these gaming companies feel the need to virtue signal and destroy their product in the process.

    Don't buy it then. The rest of us are happy to see women basketball players represented in the biggest basketball video game on the planet. It's about time. Should have happened a few years ago honestly. "Virtue signalling" and "destroying their product" just because you don't like women in your game lol give me a break
    And those of you complaining about "wasting resources" like 2k is running on a skeleton crew over there just barely pushing out games on time lol
    jbrock11
    Incredibly dumb. You're gonna eat up a bunch of development time for the WNBA? I mean seriously, the WNBA probably averages less that a few hundred thousand views for their games. I'll never understand why these gaming companies feel the need to virtue signal and destroy their product in the process.

    This is a bad opinion that I keep seeing on here. I do not think spending development time to add the WNBA is keeping you from having a better game. The time spent developing dodgeball & mini-hoop & cages? Maybe they should use that time to improve the things you want.
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    jbrock11
    I'll never understand why these gaming companies feel the need to virtue signal and destroy their product in the process.

    Ooh, you're using the phrasing you heard on cable news! Good job, buddy!
    BA2929
    It's not the truth though. It's insanely sexist and wrong.
    Don't buy it then. The rest of us are happy to see women basketball players represented in the biggest basketball video game on the planet. It's about time. Should have happened a few years ago honestly. "Virtue signalling" and "destroying their product" just because you don't like women in your game lol give me a break
    And those of you complaining about "wasting resources" like 2k is running on a skeleton crew over there just barely pushing out games on time lol

    Don't tell me my opinion is sexist and wrong. Get outta here with that B.S.
    Go defend somebody else, hero.
    bigsmallwood
    My opinion is that they had better add more than exhibition games. Live tried that and it was just disrespectful. Give the WNBA Season/Franchise Mode, MyPlayer, and the same options to play Streetball. Would be phenomenal and 2K would sell even more copies

    I would be curious to see how it would work with Franchise and MyLeague given only 12 teams in the league. Maybe similar to MyGM where you have expansion and you can expand the number of teams to more than 12?
    SMH at some of the opinions on this. I get it if the WNBA isn't your thing. I don't watch the league and won't touch the teams in 2k but this isn't for me, just like some of the other modes and features in the game. I don't really play My Team. I don't play any of the Park stuff or most things related to My Player but I'd never say those things are a waste of time and resources.
    An important aspect of any product is appealing to as many people as possible and for the first time in 2k history female gamers and ballers will be represented in the game. That should attract a wider audience and fanbase, which should also mean more money and more resources for future games. For the people bothered by this just think how frustrating it must be for any female gamer or basketball player to only having the option of playing as NBA teams and men for their whole lives. And some of you are upset just because the WNBA is now included in NBA 2k.
    Lastly, drop the whole "just make a WNBA game." That would be a far bigger waste of time, money, and resources. That would require making an entire new game and either making a new development team or removing people from the NBA team to focus on the WNBA, all in an effort to make a game that will probably sell a fraction of what NBA 2k does. It makes far more sense to include the WNBA in the NBA to maximize sales.
    scottyp180
    SMH at some of the opinions on this. I get it if the WNBA isn't your thing. I don't watch the league and won't touch the teams in 2k but this isn't for me, just like some of the other modes and features in the game.

    Exactly. I'll probably use WNBA in 2K the same amount I did in Live - once or twice to try it out and that's about it. I just don't get personally offended that a video game added an option for other players who aren't me. Not sure why some others do.
    BA2929
    It's not the truth though. It's insanely sexist and wrong.

    It might not be the truth and it might be wrong but it’s not sexist.
    And btw , it would be racist to say adding the basketball league of Canada it’s a waste of resources ?
    made in eu
    It might not be the truth and it might be wrong but it’s not sexist.
    And btw , it would be racist to say adding the basketball league of Canada it’s a waste of resources ?

    Saying that it would only cater to the 2% female players of 2K is sexiest. First; where does that figure come from?
    Second; why would only females play that mode? There are probably a bunch of people, male and female, who are looking forward to this.
    KyotoCarl
    Saying that it would only cater to the 2% female players of 2K is sexiest. First; where does that figure come from?
    Second; why would only females play that mode? There are probably a bunch of people, male and female, who are looking forward to this.

    I have no idea where his figures come from. And probably whatever he said is not true . But again , claiming that only a few females play 2k isn’t sexist.
    Personally, I will play with the WNBA teams , but if there isn’t any tournament mode or they aren’t implemented into my league , i will only use them a couple of times in exhibition mode and that’s it .That is because I want the games i play to be in a context of a league/tournament . Maybe 2k will bring back tournament mode this year ( older versions had a tournament mode which you could customize too)
    BA2929
    Don't buy it then. The rest of us are happy to see women basketball players represented in the biggest basketball video game on the planet. It's about time. Should have happened a few years ago honestly. "Virtue signalling" and "destroying their product" just because you don't like women in your game lol give me a break
    And those of you complaining about "wasting resources" like 2k is running on a skeleton crew over there just barely pushing out games on time lol

    So I'm guessing you tune into and know the ins and outs of the WNBA as well right? Even if that's the case ( which I'm pretty sure it's not ) then that would put you in the extreme minority. TV ratings bear out that nobody, yes even women, care to see other women play basketball. You can whine and call it sexist all you want but facts don't care about your feelings.
    DatGuy12x2
    This is a bad opinion that I keep seeing on here. I do not think spending development time to add the WNBA is keeping you from having a better game. The time spent developing dodgeball & mini-hoop & cages? Maybe they should use that time to improve the things you want.
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    You don't understand how gaming development works. The teams at companies like EA and 2K are incredibly small these days. That's one of the reasons we only get incremental improvements year after year. To use a good chunk of that time and effort on something like the WNBA just says to me that they need new leadership over at 2K. They clearly don't understand their core fanbase nor what will actually bring new players.
    jbrock11
    You don't understand how gaming development works. The teams at companies like EA and 2K are incredibly small these days.

    Perhaps you should check the credits...
    jbrock11
    You don't understand how gaming development works. The teams at companies like EA and 2K are incredibly small these days. That's one of the reasons we only get incremental improvements year after year. To use a good chunk of that time and effort on something like the WNBA just says to me that they need new leadership over at 2K. They clearly don't understand their core fanbase nor what will actually bring new players.

    Hey casual gamer, you don’t understand how development works, but I, also a casual gamer, have a complete understanding of the ins and outs of video game development cycles and development teams. I know EXACTLY how every company runs their development and I can tell you with the utmost certainty that adding the WNBA has made this development team ENTIRELY incapable of adding additional features and refining gameplay. This will undoubtedly be the most broken and unplayable 2K ever ENTIRELY because they added women to the game. Trust me, I’m a casual gamer.
    Oh how silly of me to think that 2K having to create 12 new teams, 150+ players, coaches, arenas, graphics, commentary, voice over, etc. would take away from development time. I don't know what I was thinking.
    :lol:
    jbrock11
    Oh how silly of me to think that 2K having to create 12 new teams, 150+ players, coaches, arenas, graphics, commentary, voice over, etc. would take away from development time. I don't know what I was thinking.
    It is silly. We don't know how long they have been working on it so for all we know this could have been done over time. They had the euroleague in the game for several years and that had more teams than the wnba did. So why is it a problem for this to be in but we got dumber stuff going on in the park (mascots, dodgeball). If its such a big deal for you, then dont buy it.
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    jbrock11
    So I'm guessing you tune into and know the ins and outs of the WNBA as well right? Even if that's the case ( which I'm pretty sure it's not ) then that would put you in the extreme minority. TV ratings bear out that nobody, yes even women, care to see other women play basketball. You can whine and call it sexist all you want but facts don't care about your feelings.

    He never said anything about knowing the ins and outs, or even watching the WNBA. He only said that it's about time they had the WNBA in the game and that it's a good thing.
    It’s a good thing. Play it if you want, if you don’t want to, then don’t. It's a basketball game, there's a whole universe of basketball players who are now being represented. Can only be a good thing.
    It’ll be interesting to see if, and if so how, this is incorporated in mycareer modes. I personally wouldn’t mind being able to create a female baller and playing through a season. I wonder if they would go the NBA Live route (in competitive modes, making the male/female players equivalent) or if they’d have separate modes for the female created players.
    Bunch of grown men scared to say what they want lmao.
    This will be like the Euro league addition you guys will play it once then forget about it.
    sad that the wnba still fails to realize they need to separate from the NBA if they ever want to grow. There's definitely a market for the WNBA but it's not the same market share as the NBA.
    jbrock11
    You don't understand how gaming development works. The teams at companies like EA and 2K are incredibly small these days. That's one of the reasons we only get incremental improvements year after year. To use a good chunk of that time and effort on something like the WNBA just says to me that they need new leadership over at 2K. They clearly don't understand their core fanbase nor what will actually bring new players.

    The WNBA has recently pretty much been a marketing campaign directed at women..it clearly doesnt make money yet they always bail them out. At the end of the day they do have a working relationship with the NBA(nba 2k) and maybe this a way to target the LBGT.
    I honestly dont care and unlike these guys here playing the PC role ive actually watched the WNBA. these women are very very skilled players. They can do it all aside having the athleticism to play through contact/ above the rim but thats obvious.
    Mintsa
    I think it’s great to have the WNBA in 2k......it grows the game.....

    How does a failed business venture for the NBA help nba 2k grow?
    its been 2 decades and the WNBA itself has yet to grow.
    Whether you play it or not, options are always best for us fans.
    Secondly there is that chance the NBA wants this in current games instead of standalone.
    You guys realize times have changed and those who don't adjust end up like ToysRUs and RadioShack right?
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    loso_34
    The WNBA has recently pretty much been a marketing campaign directed at women..it clearly doesnt make money yet they always bail them out. At the end of the day they do have a working relationship with the NBA(nba 2k) and maybe this a way to target the LBGT.
    I honestly dont care and unlike these guys here playing the PC role ive actually watched the WNBA. these women are very very skilled players. They can do it all aside having the athleticism to play through contact/ above the rim but thats obvious.

    It will definitely hit some LGBTQ+ members. Again, I can't speak for the entire trans community and would never try to, however I am personally excited to be able to play as the correct gender. I primarily watch the NBA, and I'm totally guilty of not watching WNBA more than a few times(Although I know those women are extremely talented. I'm just hoping I finally don't have to get hit with a brick of dysphoria everytime I play one of my favorite games.
    On top of that, I know quite a few females that play 2k. And I consider my playgroup small, so I'd be willing to bet that number is significantly larger than most people are willing to admit. That's really all I have to say, there's a few things I want to take a shot at(The Ben Shapiro Roleplayer), but I'm not going to devolve this Into an all political post. At least not more than its devolved into already. I think the feature will be fine. I think it's not a waste considering that all the extra neighborhood stuff exists, and that's extra AF.
    Not particularly directing this post at you, Loso, more so agreeing with the LGBTQ sentiment and going on my own tangent
    I don't think the resources needed to add the WNBA would be that big of a deal.
    Assuming that it means they weren't able to do other things isn't very bright until we see the features that get released.
    There's some things i don't like about 2k. Adding features and ahving innovative content isn't one of them. They just may not be my cup of tea.
    Sounds like a nothing burger until we know other things were sacrificed.
    You know what they say about making assumptions..
    I’m not that happy with the addition of the WNBA.
    I’m wanted a few body types (muscular, etc) for years now but it’s no problem for them to include female characters (It’s probably even the same guys responsible for that) just because live have them
    Just another thought on the idea of the inclusion of the WNBA taking up time and resources. It's not wrong to expect the addition of WNBA teams and players to take up time and resources but with next gen consoles dropping next yesr 2k is probably already looking towards the future. At this point in the console cycle it's a little unrealistic to expect major changes and improvements. 2k might be adding the WNBA now so that next year they can go all in with the new tech.
    i know at least 3 woman 2k gamers on youtube
    what i hope is they give them a myleage or season mode
    they are some great woman players in that leguge
    as long as it fits on the disc and that is dont cause slowdown
    what so bad about it this might cause better hair syles overall
    Very dope. Inclusion is needed. Don't worry, I'm sure that they focused more outside of the WNBA..
    Imma leave it at that cause I know there are some sick replies abut including women ballers... its not a big deal fellas.
    Now for some other news 2K! Bring on the hype train
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    Whether you play it or not, options are always best for us fans.
    Secondly there is that chance the NBA wants this in current games instead of standalone.
    You guys realize times have changed and those who don't adjust end up like ToysRUs and RadioShack right?
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    Not trying to devolve this thing into purely a political conversation but....Just because times change doesn't mean they always change for the better. I think history has shown us that over and over. Me personally, I'll never believe that inclusivity is more important than things like freedom, merit, creativity, etc. All have suffered under this corporatist view of "equality" and in western culture we're no doubt closer today to an authoritarian nightmare than we were, just 20 years ago when a good portion of the population wasn't brain washed into thinking everything has to arbitrarily be equal. I don't think anybody can argue we got better quality games back then and that was because the focus was on creating great games and not trying to placate every social group on the planet.
    jbrock11
    Not trying to devolve this thing into purely a political conversation but....Just because times change doesn't mean they always change for the better. I think history has shown us that over and over. Me personally, I'll never believe that inclusivity is more important than things like freedom, merit, creativity, etc. All have suffered under this corporatist view of "equality" and in western culture we're no doubt closer today to an authoritarian nightmare than we were, just 20 years ago when a good portion of the population wasn't brain washed into thinking everything has to arbitrarily be equal. I don't think anybody can argue we got better quality games back then and that was because the focus was on creating great games and not trying to placate every social group on the planet.

    What? I got confused with every word that I read. Not intending to throw shade, but I have trouble connecting the quality of games with (the mixed concepts of) inclusivity and equality. We had great games then, we have great games now. We had bad games then, and we have bad games now. Women have been included either way.
    Anywho, there’s many reasons why the NBA and/or 2K would want the WNBA in the game, the least of which is probably “inclusivity” or “equality.” Remember that in the end, both of these entities exist to make money. If the NBA is investing in women’s basketball or 2K is adding it into the game, they’re seeing dollars. They may not manifest today or tomorrow, but women are more than half of the world’s population. As a business, you’d be a fool to not try to get in touch with that market. How many more male basketball fans is 2K going to pull in? Us basketball fans who play games, likely already play 2K or have given it a try and decided it wasn’t for us. Also, I’m sure that 2K saw the positive reception that the other game received for adding in the WNBA.
    For me personally, I’m interested to see if they include the ladies in the NBA Live route or the FIFA soccer route.
    Man I just saw someone say that people have been brainwashed into wanting equality....anyways
    This is dope, I love the WNBA and I know plenty of men and women who were excited to see them in Live who will no doubt be excited to see em in 2K. Hopefully it's more than just teams in exhibition, I wanna play through the season, allow for expansion like in MyLeague to allow for more teams, more games, all that. I wanna put some older WNBA teams and stars in with the new crop of greats runnin rn.
    Vic_Clancy
    What? I got confused with every word that I read. Not intending to throw shade, but I have trouble connecting the quality of games with (the mixed concepts of) inclusivity and equality. We had great games then, we have great games now. We had bad games then, and we have bad games now. Women have been included either way.
    Anywho, there’s many reasons why the NBA and/or 2K would want the WNBA in the game, the least of which is probably “inclusivity” or “equality.” Remember that in the end, both of these entities exist to make money. If the NBA is investing in women’s basketball or 2K is adding it into the game, they’re seeing dollars. They may not manifest today or tomorrow, but women are more than half of the world’s population. As a business, you’d be a fool to not try to get in touch with that market. How many more male basketball fans is 2K going to pull in? Us basketball fans who play games, likely already play 2K or have given it a try and decided it wasn’t for us. Also, I’m sure that 2K saw the positive reception that the other game received for adding in the WNBA.
    For me personally, I’m interested to see if they include the ladies in the NBA Live route or the FIFA soccer route.

    It's connected to the quality because as I said above, it takes away the focus from what their core audience wants. Poll people that buy NBA 2K and I can guarantee you that having the WNBA in the game probably wouldn't make the top 100 of things that people want. If that was the case, people would have bought Live 19. If it was merited and people were really clamoring for a WNBA game, that would be one thing. But to just put it in there either purely for equality or perceived financial benefit is just wrong in my opinion and the core gamers suffer in the end because the product could have been better if the focus had been on improving the actual game. It's not hard to see that this move will go nowhere and most likely the WNBA will be removed in a year or two. You want women in the game? Pretty easy to just add in female create a characters in the street mode and call it a day. Absolutely no need to add in an entire new league that nobody watches. Huge misstep by 2K in my opinion.
    CaptainFear
    This is a waste of resources. I am disappointed to say the least. Add WNBA to cater to the 2% of NBA 2k gamers that are female so they can be politically correct.
    This is truth!

    BigOrangeVol4Life
    Too much clutter. Just release a separate WNBA 2k20 and buy it if you want women's hoops

    You could simply not use them in YOUR game. Nobody is forcing you to play with those athletes.
    CaptainFear
    This is a waste of resources. I am disappointed to say the least. Add WNBA to cater to the 2% of NBA 2k gamers that are female so they can be politically correct.
    This is truth!

    Agreed.
    This title is called NBA2K isn't it? So how about the devs actually focus on the teams that play in the NBA and save the resources used for the teams outside it on gameplay.
    How's that for an idea?
    It's just ironic to me in terms of the business:
    NBA Live's iteration of including the WNBA received little love and support from the gaming/sports community, despite the claims for equality. Yeah, it was terrible (only having 5v5 Play Now basically) but it was a start.
    NBA 2K (a superior product) does it and now everyone is super excited about it. But where was that same support last year around this time for NBA Live (in terms of the WNBA inclusion).
    Seems to me people are going to support the "superior" product regardless compared to the "inferior" one. Which, to me, in terms of the public eye and business (not my opinion), is somewhat indicative of NBA (2K) > WNBA (Live). People are going to support something that they deem to be worth more for their money. It's interesting to say the least, I support 2K doing it but we all know how slick 2K is with stuff.
    :lol: The ASSUMPTION of the amount of time that will be "dedicated" to the WNBA portion and "taken away" from the NBA portion is amazing.
    You got dudes making up percentages and then you got dudes that have workload schedules of the devs.
    Funny.
    BA2929
    It's not the truth though. It's insanely sexist and wrong.
    Don't buy it then. The rest of us are happy to see women basketball players represented in the biggest basketball video game on the planet. It's about time. Should have happened a few years ago honestly. "Virtue signalling" and "destroying their product" just because you don't like women in your game lol give me a break
    And those of you complaining about "wasting resources" like 2k is running on a skeleton crew over there just barely pushing out games on time lol

    Here we go.
    There's always a white knight to come along and totally miss the point. Well done.
    This has nothing to do with sex so cut the sexist nonsense, it's about wasted resources on a features that the game doesn't need. The same can be said about Euroleague or any other league that isn't the NBA for that matter.
    Is it just going to be NBA2K w female players? Or are they adding their own animations and everything else. I assume it would look a little goofy if they dont
    I'm sure we can go back and see similar responses for any new feature.
    "Why would I want to go through a solo career, that's boring? Why not spend those resources on fixing the core 5 on 5 experience? What is a my team? Nobody will want to do that...they're just trying to capture some of the Madden success."
    With all of the “wasting resources” assumptions going around Im trying to figure out which one of y’all were in the room when they planned this out to actually decide that they are “wasting resources”.
    Dalsanto0026
    Here we go.
    There's always a white knight to come along and totally miss the point. Well done.
    This has nothing to do with sex so cut the sexist nonsense, it's about wasted resources on a features that the game doesn't need. The same can be said about Euroleague or any other league that isn't the NBA for that matter.

    I am interested in the current workload schedules of each team. Just wondering if we can accurately gauge how much time will be spent on WNBA material.
    Also, if you have proof of when this project was started please provide documentation.e
    Thanks for cooperating.
    Every single time some no nothing bozo says wasted resources a little part of me dies inside
    It's almost as if the people complaining, don't know how video game development works at all
    I saw people saying wasted disc space like it's still 1999 some time ago
    Y'all be trippin
    If this makes some folks happy, then I'm all for it. I personally might play 1 or 2  WNBA games before I move on the main league. If the WNBA mode I might would check it out but I don't see it holding my interest long as I don't follow the league. 
    jbrock11
    Not trying to devolve this thing into purely a political conversation but....Just because times change doesn't mean they always change for the better. I think history has shown us that over and over. Me personally, I'll never believe that inclusivity is more important than things like freedom, merit, creativity, etc. All have suffered under this corporatist view of "equality" and in western culture we're no doubt closer today to an authoritarian nightmare than we were, just 20 years ago when a good portion of the population wasn't brain washed into thinking everything has to arbitrarily be equal. I don't think anybody can argue we got better quality games back then and that was because the focus was on creating great games and not trying to placate every social group on the planet.

    Bro, you really think politics and the state of the country affected video games?! Don't let politics rule your mental well being..
    Let the WNBA live... NONE of us know if the addition compromised other aspects of the game, so the speculation is trivial and ignorant. If you don't like it, don't play it.
    Us SIM heads rarely play the MyCareer/myPlayer modes, but we understand its a part of the future for 2K -- The WNBA deserves inclusion, just like all the frivolous additions we've accepted throughout the years.
    deetoman
    With all of the “wasting resources” assumptions going around Im trying to figure out which one of y’all were in the room when they planned this out to actually decide that they are “wasting resources”.

    Dudes have been making this baseless argument for YEARS whenever a new feature is introduced in 2K. We would get some news on a feature that the art department is responsible for and dudes would be like, "See, I told you they don't care about offLine gamers anymore." It is just dumb man.
    MDSavageBeast
    It's just ironic to me in terms of the business:
    NBA Live's iteration of including the WNBA received little love and support from the gaming/sports community, despite the claims for equality. Yeah, it was terrible (only having 5v5 Play Now basically) but it was a start.
    NBA 2K (a superior product) does it and now everyone is super excited about it. But where was that same support last year around this time for NBA Live (in terms of the WNBA inclusion).
    Seems to me people are going to support the "superior" product regardless compared to the "inferior" one. Which, to me, in terms of the public eye and business (not my opinion), is somewhat indicative of NBA (2K) > WNBA (Live). People are going to support something that they deem to be worth more for their money. It's interesting to say the least, I support 2K doing it but we all know how slick 2K is with stuff.

    2K has a much larger fan base. Many 2K players don’t also play Live. Of course it would be lukewarm with Live. The entire franchise is lukewarm. But I, and my nieces, were happy Live added the WNBA. They played hours of Live this cycle just playing each other in WNBA games. They look up to those women. All the ridiculous ‘waste of resources’ opinions in this thread and none of you even realize the real impact this has. Is it a small portion of the playerbase? Yes. But my nieces, who had NEVER played a Live game before, asked for it as a birthday gift BECAUSE of the WNBA. They care. Women care. This is in no way a bad thing, and to see it treated as such is really disheartening. It’s 2019 people.
    GoDucks1224
    2K has a much larger fan base. Many 2K players don’t also play Live. Of course it would be lukewarm with Live. The entire franchise is lukewarm. But I, and my nieces, were happy Live added the WNBA. They played hours of Live this cycle just playing each other in WNBA games. They look up to those women. All the ridiculous ‘waste of resources’ opinions in this thread and none of you even realize the real impact this has. Is it a small portion of the playerbase? Yes. But my nieces, who had NEVER played a Live game before, asked for it as a birthday gift BECAUSE of the WNBA. They care. Women care. This is in no way a bad thing, and to see it treated as such is really disheartening. It’s 2019 people.

    This. I was all for WNBA and Females in live for the same reasons I like it here. The problem is that Live was a dumpster fire, and as much as I liked the feature, the gameplay turned me off.
    It being in 2k means maybe, juuuuuust maybe, I can have decent gameplay as well as be female.
    GoDucks1224
    2K has a much larger fan base. Many 2K players don’t also play Live. Of course it would be lukewarm with Live. The entire franchise is lukewarm. But I, and my nieces, were happy Live added the WNBA. They played hours of Live this cycle just playing each other in WNBA games. They look up to those women. All the ridiculous ‘waste of resources’ opinions in this thread and none of you even realize the real impact this has. Is it a small portion of the playerbase? Yes. But my nieces, who had NEVER played a Live game before, asked for it as a birthday gift BECAUSE of the WNBA. They care. Women care. This is in no way a bad thing, and to see it treated as such is really disheartening. It’s 2019 people.

    Is "none of you" including me? Because I'm not downing the fact that NBA 2K is including WNBA, just pointing out something that was already there and wondering why a vast majority of people (male and female) that want support for the WNBA (in all aspects) didn't invest in NBA Live's WNBA product. Just wanted clarity before I commented toward you.
    Also, if it don't apply to you then I would say keep it moving, simple.
    MDSavageBeast
    Is "none of you" including me? Because I'm not downing the fact that NBA 2K is including WNBA, just pointing out something that was already there and wondering why a vast majority of people (male and female) that want support for the WNBA (in all aspects) didn't invest in NBA Live's WNBA product. Just wanted clarity before I commented toward you.
    Also, if it don't apply to you then I would say keep it moving, simple.

    It was more of a general statement towards the negativity in this thread, I just quoted yours because of the first part of my comment about how Live doesn’t have nearly the same fanbase. And just generally isn’t a good game.
    UFCMPunk
    I would be curious to see how it would work with Franchise and MyLeague given only 12 teams in the league. Maybe similar to MyGM where you have expansion and you can expand the number of teams to more than 12?

    Would surely make an interesting MYGM The next chapter story.
    Your myplayer becomes the GM of a New WNBA team
    You then get the option to recruit , draft and sign WNBA players hoping to build a champion. That’s something that would be pretty fun
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    I want no part of the WNBA.
    It's a turnoff for me. With a yearly release that means less time put into the game modes that I enjoy.
    WNBA is not the NBA. I am buying a NBA game. Would be like buying a Nascar racing game and having boat races added.
    Go make a wnba game.
    GBPackScout
    I want no part of the WNBA.
    It's a turnoff for me. With a yearly release that means less time put into the game modes that I enjoy.
    WNBA is not the NBA. I am buying a NBA game. Would be like buying a Nascar racing game and having boat races added.
    Go make a wnba game.

    WNBA, just like the G-League does, pretty much falls under the NBA umbrella...if you don’t like the fact they want associated brands in video games regarding their product, you can take it up with them. Otherwise, shut up, buy the game and play or the door is wide open for you anyone else that doesn’t like it to gtfo.
    i mean who is even gonna play WNBA in 2K???????
    just a waste of time and resources...they should have scaned more nba faces and do more animations, and improvements in online my league etc etc....
    Mortiis
    i mean who is even gonna play WNBA in 2K???????
    just a waste of time and resources...they should have scaned more nba faces and do more animations, and improvements in online my league etc etc....

    You should read the whole thread before making comments like that.
    It probably doesn't take up that many resources even since they've probably been working on it longer than a year.
    A LOT of bozo the clown comments in this thread. It’s scary to see how some people really think and react to certain subjects. Real classy.
    Anyway, good little addition that a lot of people will be excited to use. Even if I only play with them here and there, it’ll still be cool to ball out with some of my favorite female players. Kudos 2K for their inclusion!
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    Mortiis
    i mean who is even gonna play WNBA in 2K???????
    just a waste of time and resources...they should have scaned more nba faces and do more animations, and improvements in online my league etc etc....

    Which NBA face scans and animations were they not able to include due to them adding WNBA?
    Gosens6
    A LOT of bozo the clown comments in this thread. It’s scary to see how some people really think and react to certain subjects. Real classy.
    Anyway, good little addition that a lot of people will be excited to use. Even if I only play with them here and there, it’ll still be cool to ball out with some of my favorite female players. Kudos 2K for their inclusion!
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    Yeah, it’s pretty bad lol. They think they’re being subtle when they say ‘wAsTeD rEsOuRcEs’ but it’s pretty easy to tell it’s more than that.
    I actually bout NBA Live the last 2 years, only for the WNBA. I'm excited to have it added to 2k, since I greatly prefer it's gameplay. Now I only need 1 game to play both leagues. Rather than 1 game for each league.
    Crazy. People are bugging over a few extra rosters, practically. For the exact reason people are complaining about this, is the exact reason why it's being implemented.
    1. This gives the WNBA more exposure with its little popularity (even if it's marginal).
    2. The little resources it would take to include the league is why it's not a problem for it to be in the game. If anything it will only replace the All-Time teams. They're only additional rosters.
    You guys don't even wanna see the 2K reddit. Absolute s**t show over there. Dudes making the same old kitchen and pregnancy comments talking about "PeOpLe CaN't TaKe A jOkE". Didn't know being blatantly sexist is a joke lol.
    CaVsFaN2273
    You guys don't even wanna see the 2K reddit. Absolute s**t show over there. Dudes making the same old kitchen and pregnancy comments talking about "PeOpLe CaN't TaKe A jOkE". Didn't know being blatantly sexist is a joke lol.

    Man, even the insults are lazy, huh?
    Like...if it's just not a mode that interests someone too much, that's cool. And a decent amount of the responses here are from people like that (myself included). But I've also never, ever played a MyPlayer career. I never used the Euroleague teams. I don't even load up 85% of the classic teams that are available...but I’m glad those other options are or were there, because I know I’m not the only type of person who games.
    Too many guys out there still attached to the perception that gaming is a strictly male thing and that if we’re not receiving 100% of the attention that it’s a travesty. There’s enough game to go around.
    jbrock11
    Not trying to devolve this thing into purely a political conversation but....Just because times change doesn't mean they always change for the better. I think history has shown us that over and over. Me personally, I'll never believe that inclusivity is more important than things like freedom, merit, creativity, etc. All have suffered under this corporatist view of "equality" and in western culture we're no doubt closer today to an authoritarian nightmare than we were, just 20 years ago when a good portion of the population wasn't brain washed into thinking everything has to arbitrarily be equal. I don't think anybody can argue we got better quality games back then and that was because the focus was on creating great games and not trying to placate every social group on the planet.
    As I said, the WNBA is an NBA product.
    Whether you like that or not is your own issue. It's not an inclusive thing, it's literally their product and business.
    If you've never owned one before I wouldn't expect you to understand.
    You can't be a stubborn old mule I'm business. Hopefully it's a principle you learn one day.
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    Newlegacy
    Every single time some no nothing bozo says wasted resources a little part of me dies inside
    It's almost as if the people complaining, don't know how video game development works at all
    I saw people saying wasted disc space like it's still 1999 some time ago
    Y'all be trippin

    Resorting to name calling now, how mature of you.
    Do you really need to know the inner workings of a dev team to comprehend that things don't magically happen just by clicking your fingers? You do realize that don't you?
    It amazes me how certain some people can be even though they have no idea what they're talking about.
    CaVsFaN2273
    You guys don't even wanna see the 2K reddit. Absolute s**t show over there. Dudes making the same old kitchen and pregnancy comments talking about "PeOpLe CaN't TaKe A jOkE". Didn't know being blatantly sexist is a joke lol.

    You talking about that thread where one guy posted a picture?
    Get over yourself. Those comments had mixed reactions as well.
    23
    As I said, the WNBA is an NBA product.
    Whether you like that or not is your own issue. It's not an inclusive thing, it's literally their product and business.
    If you've never owned one before I wouldn't expect you to understand.
    You can't be a stubborn old mule I'm business. Hopefully it's a principle you learn one day.
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    Thats why they've yet to grow, even when not equal the narrative is promoted.
    Its a failed business venture not an NBA product. Youre out here calling somebody a stubborn old mule over a league where they fill 1/4 of the venues lol.
    Dont talk business when the fact is the WNBA is a failed business model routinely bailed out by the NBA.
    DC
    I am interested in the current workload schedules of each team. Just wondering if we can accurately gauge how much time will be spent on WNBA material.
    Also, if you have proof of when this project was started please provide documentation.e
    Thanks for cooperating.

    Regardless of the "workload schedules" and the amount of time spent on WNBA material, the fact remains that some time and effort, eg face scans for one, goes into this feature. You don't need to be a developer to know that some resources at least, need to be allocated when adding any new feature.
    Oh, and thanks for cooperating.
    Gosens6
    A LOT of bozo the clown comments in this thread. It’s scary to see how some people really think and react to certain subjects. Real classy.
    Anyway, good little addition that a lot of people will be excited to use. Even if I only play with them here and there, it’ll still be cool to ball out with some of my favorite female players. Kudos 2K for their inclusion!
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    It looks as though you may be yet another member here who's in desperate need of some lessons in comprehension. It's not that difficult.
    The foolish comments I'm seeing are coming from the ones taking childish jabs at those who manage to grasp the fact that the time and effort put into this mode could be better spent elsewhere. Was that clear enough for you, or does this "clown" scare you?
    GoDucks1224
    Yeah, it’s pretty bad lol. They think they’re being subtle when they say ‘wAsTeD rEsOuRcEs’ but it’s pretty easy to tell it’s more than that.

    Wow! That's one hell of an assumption to make!
    You've managed to be both ignorant and offensive in only two lines of text, that's quite an achievement!
    I find what you're implying to be highly offensive. You couldn't be any more off the mark. Equally disturbing is the fact that you have a few people that agree with you.
    SmashMan
    Man, even the insults are lazy, huh?
    Like...if it's just not a mode that interests someone too much, that's cool. And a decent amount of the responses here are from people like that (myself included). But I've also never, ever played a MyPlayer career. I never used the Euroleague teams. I don't even load up 85% of the classic teams that are available...but I’m glad those other options are or were there, because I know I’m not the only type of person who games.
    Too many guys out there still attached to the perception that gaming is a strictly male thing and that if we’re not receiving 100% of the attention that it’s a travesty. There’s enough game to go around.

    Wrong again.
    The perception is that this is an NBA game. A game one would expect to be solely about the NBA, and hopefully an accurate representation of it.
    I have nothing against the WNBA, I've enjoyed the handful of games I've seen.
    I don't see why you've chosen to make a gross generalization about the gaming industry and turned this into a political thing.
    I said I would buy 2K20 only if they add the WNBA. :y3:
    Just have to find out if they have a MyLeague and I will pre-order it the first chance I get. Gotta do my Phoenix Mercury dynasty.:appl:
    loso_34
    Thats why they've yet to grow, even when not equal the narrative is promoted.
    Its a failed business venture not an NBA product. Youre out here calling somebody a stubborn old mule over a league where they fill 1/4 of the venues lol.
    Dont talk business when the fact is the WNBA is a failed business model routinely bailed out by the NBA.
    Call it what you will, I'm calling it The NBAs product... Whether you deem it successful or not, it's still their professional league.
    Getting mad because some player models are in a video game is pretty wild
    Y'all got it because I won't be wasting time in this forum arguing over nothing at all.
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    loso_34
    You talking about that thread where one guy posted a picture?
    Get over yourself. Those comments had mixed reactions as well.

    The fact that there's mixed reactions, and the fact that the comment you make is "get over yourself" is indicative of the actual problem here. That pic in general, which is a photoshopped NBA2k19 screen with a prompt saying "Skip 9 months of season due to pregnancy? Yes/no" is not funny. But again, it speaks volumes on the toxicity of gaming culture as a whole.
    Dalsanto0026
    Wrong again.
    The perception is that this is an NBA game. A game one would expect to be solely about the NBA, and hopefully an accurate representation of it.
    I have nothing against the WNBA, I've enjoyed the handful of games I've seen.

    Is it not an accurate representation of it already? Games can always be better, sure; but I think we can all agree that NBA2K is a pretty good representation of NBA basketball.
    You can't really make the "solely about the NBA" claim when they've had Euroleague teams in before, we've had the Dream Team (yes NBA players, but not NBA basketball), and still have things like Blacktop mode (I don't remember the last official 2 on 2 NBA game. Do you?). The precedent has been set for 2K to offer things that aren't solely NBA.
    And as has been said, the WNBA is also an NBA product. Why should we not expect an NBA video game to feature NBA product?
    Dalsanto0026
    I don't see why you've chosen to make a gross generalization about the gaming industry and turned this into a political thing.

    There is a significant segment of the gaming community that feels that their enjoyment of our hobby is being threatened by companies offering more options and stories than those geared only toward the stereotypical gamer guy.
    I really didn't mean for me pointing that out to be taken as a political statement, rather just a statement of fact on something going on in gaming and me saying that there's room for everyone to have fun playing.
    Dalsanto0026
    It looks as though you may be yet another member here who's in desperate need of some lessons in comprehension. It's not that difficult.
    The foolish comments I'm seeing are coming from the ones taking childish jabs at those who manage to grasp the fact that the time and effort put into this mode could be better spent elsewhere. Was that clear enough for you, or does this "clown" scare you?

    I’m shaking in my boots, man. How dare I not realize the entire game is now a piece of garbage because of some added rosters.
    I am just too silly to realize that now they didn’t work on any sort of gameplay aspects whatsoever. In fact, it’s now clear to me that the WNBA portion of the game is the ONLY thing they worked on. Gosh darn those precious “time and resources”
    Thanks for correcting me, man.
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    My dream is to be able to do a face scan of me, my wife, my 2 daughters and my son and be able use all of us on the same team in season mode.
    But honestly, 2k20 was probably going to be a copy/paste of last year's game whether they added WNBA or not.
    Dalsanto0026
    Wow! That's one hell of an assumption to make!
    You've managed to be both ignorant and offensive in only two lines of text, that's quite an achievement!
    I find what you're implying to be highly offensive. You couldn't be any more off the mark. Equally disturbing is the fact that you have a few people that agree with you.

    Lmao this is such a farce. I hope you equally claimed the Euroleague was a waste of resources. I hope you think Blacktop and The Neighborhood are a waste of resources. I hope you think MyTeam is a waste of resources. I hope you think every single aspect of this game that isn’t directly related to an NBA team is a waste of resources. Or else you’re a gigantic hypocrite. Highly doubt you’re so adamantly against those additions. Where was the ‘wasted resources’ outrage for any of that stuff? I’ve been on these forums for over a decade (yes I know my account is 7 years old, I lurked for a long time without an account) and I saw some periodic pushback on new things being added to 2K or Live, but I have NEVER seen this level of pushback on a new feature. That’s my point.
    I don’t think it is worth the effort to implement. Even those who are WNBA fans and would love to play as one of those teams will quickly get bored of only having play now games.
    To make it worthwhile for those fans you would need to have full feature support. And at that point it without question becomes not worth the effort.
    I give it 2 years before they are removed from the game due to lack of support and usage
    People will always call it politics when they get called out for their BS, it's hilarious. If you believe that adding in the WNBA took away from "time and resources" at best, absolute best, you are an idiot and at worst you're a sexist who is just so upset at the mere idea of women being in this game for whatever reason that you make up false narratives and numbers to defend yourself because you don't like being called out for your misogonystic views.
    Newlegacy
    People will always call it politics when they get called out for their BS, it's hilarious. If you believe that adding in the WNBA took away from "time and resources" at best, absolute best, you are an idiot and at worst you're a sexist who is just so upset at the mere idea of women being in this game for whatever reason that you make up false narratives and numbers to defend yourself because you don't like being called out for your misogonystic views.

    You are absolutely wrong. There is zero question that it takes time and resources to implement any feature. You guys are drastically underestimating the resources needed for this. Adding appropriate lines of commentary alone is a fairly significant resource expenditure.
    The question is whether or not it is a worthwhile investment and guess what? People are allowed to have differing opinions on it without being labeled a sexist or an idiot
    ggsimmonds
    You are absolutely wrong. There is zero question that it takes time and resources to implement any feature. You guys are drastically underestimating the resources needed for this. Adding appropriate lines of commentary alone is a fairly significant resource expenditure.
    The question is whether or not it is a worthwhile investment and guess what? People are allowed to have differing opinions on it without being labeled a sexist or an idiot

    It definitely does take some time and resources, which is why my follow-up question is: what is the NBA game missing out on due to 2K spending time on adding WNBA (in whatever capacity it is)?
    And the answer to that question right now (since no details have been released) is...nothing. We know of absolutely no negative effects of adding WNBA. Yet some (again with no info yet either way), are convinced that this addition must mean that the aspects of the game that they do play have been ignored and are missing something.
    2K is praised year after year for, unlike other sports games, touching on and adding to just about every aspect of their game. Why wouldn't that expectation continue?
    SmashMan
    It definitely does take some time and resources, which is why my follow-up question is: what is the NBA game missing out on due to 2K spending time on adding WNBA (in whatever capacity it is)?
    And the answer to that question right now (since no details have been released) is...nothing. We know of absolutely no negative effects of adding WNBA. Yet some (again with no info yet either way), are convinced that this addition must mean that the aspects of the game that they do play have been ignored and are missing something.
    2K is praised year after year for, unlike other sports games, touching on and adding to just about every aspect of their game. Why wouldn't that expectation continue?

    Exactly. People keep saying it’s a waste of time, but what time is being wasted? What is being taken away? They refine gameplay throughout the year with patches, they add content to the online modes throughout the year, they have already added the CBA changes to MyLeague and MyGM, outside of changing career mode and maybe some tuning to contracts/trades I don’t see what else people think this time was spent on. The rookie scans? Rookie commentary? The developers working on this are almost assuredly not also writing and recording voice lines for the commentators. I want the people saying ‘wasted time and resources’ to tell me exactly what they think that time and resources should be spent on. What is it you think 2K could do with that, that is going to be drastically worse or not implemented due to them adding the WNBA? It’s 12 teams. TWELVE. They have how many classic teams that HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTARY? That have FACE SCANS? Gimme a freaking break.
    As an aside, this is happening because Live added the WNBA teams. That means Live’s decision pushed 2K to do something new. Isn’t that what we want? 2K trying new things because of competition?
    SmashMan
    It definitely does take some time and resources, which is why my follow-up question is: what is the NBA game missing out on due to 2K spending time on adding WNBA (in whatever capacity it is)?
    And the answer to that question right now (since no details have been released) is...nothing. We know of absolutely no negative effects of adding WNBA. Yet some (again with no info yet either way), are convinced that this addition must mean that the aspects of the game that they do play have been ignored and are missing something.
    2K is praised year after year for, unlike other sports games, touching on and adding to just about every aspect of their game. Why wouldn't that expectation continue?

    You’re right. We will be in a better position to answer that follow up question upon game release.
    Both sides to the argument tend to take extreme positions. Some act as if the inclusion means other areas will be neglected (most assuredly not the case) but others act as if merely questioning the inclusion makes one a sexist idiot. Also not the case.
    I laid out my reasoning for objecting to the inclusion of WNBA teases on the previous page, but it’s hard fly something I would rage over
    I mean, we know the game is gonna be super solid. I'm more concerned about the fixes that improves gameplay. Gonna be cool to see some females at the park ballin' too.
    GoDucks1224
    Exactly. People keep saying it’s a waste of time, but what time is being wasted? What is being taken away? They refine gameplay throughout the year with patches, they add content to the online modes throughout the year, they have already added the CBA changes to MyLeague and MyGM, outside of changing career mode and maybe some tuning to contracts/trades I don’t see what else people think this time was spent on. The rookie scans? Rookie commentary? The developers working on this are almost assuredly not also writing and recording voice lines for the commentators. I want the people saying ‘wasted time and resources’ to tell me exactly what they think that time and resources should be spent on. What is it you think 2K could do with that, that is going to be drastically worse or not implemented due to them adding the WNBA? It’s 12 teams. TWELVE. They have how many classic teams that HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTARY? That have FACE SCANS? Gimme a freaking break.
    As an aside, this is happening because Live added the WNBA teams. That means Live’s decision pushed 2K to do something new. Isn’t that what we want? 2K trying new things because of competition?

    Perhaps you don’t realize it but you are doing the exact thing smashman is criticizing others for. We do not know where resources are being diverted from to include these teams. We cannot answer your question until we have the finished product. If smashman wants to say we cannot use this line of argument against the inclusion, then we also cannot use it in favor of either.
    As for your rebuttal to my commentary example, I’m sorry for being blunt but I wonder if you understand the development process. No, those coders are not writing and recording the lines. The voice talent is. Typically voice talent is paid on a per word basis or by recording hour. Hours spent recording lines for WNBA equals less hours for lines elsewhere in the game. I’d love to have more playoff specific commentary in my league.
    The 12 WNBA teams are not the same as classic teams. Classic teams can use same assets from the core of the game (modified retro jerseys). WNBA jerseys cannot, meaning graphic artists have to devote time to creating those jerseys. The game could come with 12 additional premade expansion teams for my league.
    I’ll repeat myself one more time, there is nothing wrong with people having differing opinions as to whether or not WNBA inclusion is worthwhile. That is what the question is. Spare me your give me a break routine just because someone’s opinion differs from yours.
    My own aside, people said basically the same thing about whether or not Maddens longshot mode was a worthwhile addition.
    hesko
    I mean, we know the game is gonna be super solid. I'm more concerned about the fixes that improves gameplay. Gonna be cool to see some females at the park ballin' too.

    People are going to complain about “mah simulation” with women at the park. They’re going to want to be able to do 360 between the legs dunks with a 6’1” white point guard without female players killing the immersion
    ggsimmonds
    You are absolutely wrong. There is zero question that it takes time and resources to implement any feature. You guys are drastically underestimating the resources needed for this. Adding appropriate lines of commentary alone is a fairly significant resource expenditure.
    The question is whether or not it is a worthwhile investment and guess what? People are allowed to have differing opinions on it without being labeled a sexist or an idiot

    If you read the opinions of the people in this thread do you really think they care? These people seem to believe that the base game itself is suffering because of the inclusion of the WNBA and IDK bout you, but I know that ain't the case cause it is never the case when things like this, or the Euro teams, or classic teams are included. It takes time and resources, it certainly doesn't take as much as the people so against this want to believe.
    ggsimmonds
    I don’t think it is worth the effort to implement. Even those who are WNBA fans and would love to play as one of those teams will quickly get bored of only having play now games.
    To make it worthwhile for those fans you would need to have full feature support. And at that point it without question becomes not worth the effort.
    I give it 2 years before they are removed from the game due to lack of support and usage

    or those people would go to internet websites such as this forum and reddit to voice that they want the mode to be expanded upon either through patch or moving on to the installment after this one. Nobody just gets bored and stops playing like you're making it out to be unless they generally never really cared much for the series in the first place. Everything has to start somewhere.
    PippenFan
    or those people would go to internet websites such as this forum and reddit to voice that they want the mode to be expanded upon either through patch or moving on to the installment after this one. Nobody just gets bored and stops playing like you're making it out to be unless they generally never really cared much for the series in the first place. Everything has to start somewhere.

    And those people aren’t numerous enough. Not enough people would play a WNBA my league to justify including it. That’s the reality.
    People will stop playing play now games with WNBA teams.
    I'm very happy to hear that this is finally included in 2K. As far as the hate goes all I can do is shake my head at that. Shake my head at people saying nonsense like 2k (or some other company) should just make a separate game for the WNBA.
    Why? so you can look at it on the shelve at the store or on the PSN/XBOX digital menu and chuckle as you scroll/walk by it to buy whatever else you're shopping for? Nah man. That's not good for business, and at the end of the day most people who've been buying NBA 2k before will buy it again to keep right on playing the modes that they've been playing all along.
    Yall complaining about resources being wasted and acting like so much needs to be done that couldn't possibly be focused on because of this WNBA inclusion. It's all untrue excuses. Like others have said in this topic, the WNBA is apart of the NBA. Has always been since the very first tip off. Why else do you think the NBA would allow it to have "NBA" as part of its name with the W in the front. You want to complain about something let's talk about My Park. Whens the last time NBA players went to playgrounds to play street hoops? They don't, but it's in the game because that's just what it is. A video game.
    WNBA players have been featured in NBA Allstar weekend for over 10 years now, and have even been featured in other Official NBA Basketball games before even NBA live included it. NBA Street Volume 2 had the option for us to create female players for the story mode and its still one of the most popular Basketball games to ever come out. NBA Streets after that one have also had actual WNBA players.
    Anyway like I said, I'm looking forward to giving this a shot. I hope that 2k has the female My player/Park option for those who want to buy this game so they can use it. I'd also be down to try out a My League. If it's only 12 teams so what? This is a video game. A game that has already had tons of customization so all this mode needs is those options. The ability to create new teams in the video game. Ability to create new players to put on said custom teams. I hope Legends like Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper, Rebecca Lobo, etc are in too along with the rest of their teammates to add even more options for all of these WNBA included modes. Everything starts somewhere and I'm looking forward to watching the WNBA keep improving along with everything else featured in the upcoming installments of this series.
    ggsimmonds
    And those people aren’t numerous enough. Not enough people would play a WNBA my league to justify including it. That’s the reality.
    People will stop playing play now games with WNBA teams.

    No they really wont. Anyway its obvious that you're going to buy the game and play it the same way you've been playing it while others try out the new WNBA feature. some will take a liking to it and keep using it and others wont. That's just the way it is.
    PippenFan
    No they really wont. Anyway its obvious that you're going to buy the game and play it the same way you've been playing it while others try out the new WNBA feature. some will take a liking to it and keep using it and others wont. That's just the way it is.

    Yeah this news doesn’t move the needle for me one way or the other. Do I think the time is better spent on other things? Yeah, but not to the extent that it will noticeably lessen the quality of the overall product
    ggsimmonds
    Yeah this news doesn’t move the needle for me one way or the other. Do I think the time is better spent on other things? Yeah, but not to the extent that it will noticeably lessen the quality of the overall product

    Congratulations! It does move the needle for some people. Like, I dunno. Women? My nieces? My sister? Some of my female friends who have an interest in the WNBA? I rather enjoy the idea of having the WNBA in the game.
    In response to your overly wordy comment to me above, no. I don’t claim to know a ton about game development. But you anti-WNBA inclusion people sure seem to think you do. You’re rebuking me for speculating on how I don’t think the time lost including the WNBA is a negative, and for my speculation of how I think the development process for this game goes, but you’re doing both of those things in your comments. You’re saying you think the time used on the WNBA is poorly spent. You’re saying you know the way the development process goes and are insinuating that the inclusion of the WNBA will hamper it. Are you a game developer? Do you work for 2K? Do you know how big their development team is? Their budget? The allocation of funds from one department to another? Please, enlighten me.
    Actually, wait, I don’t care. The WNBA is in the game regardless of what you naysayers continue to whine about on here. Thanks 2K.
    Final thoughts: This thread is ridiculous. The naysayers have no legitimate reasoning behind being so negative on this. You’re making grandiose assumptions about the playerbase, you’re speculating how much time the playerbase will actually play with these teams, you’re attacking the development process for even using the time or resources to include it without ANY insider knowledge on 2K’s developmental cycle, or where else the money/time would have gone to, you’re also just flat out attacking the inclusion of a league you are not fans of, and the people who support the inclusion. It’s in the game. You’ll still buy the game, you’ll still play the hell out of it, you’ll still love it, and the inclusion of the WNBA will not affect you. It is for those who care, those who are curious, and for attracting new players to the game who are more invested in the WNBA. Yes, those people exist, regardless of your claims. Also, to pretend sexism plays NO ROLE in at least some portion of negative opinions on the very simple inclusion of teams that you don’t have to use AT ALL, is the height of naivety. No one complained this much about the inclusion of a vast amount of historic teams that nobody uses. No one complained this much about the inclusion of dozens of EuroLeague teams that were rarely used. No one complained this much about MyTeam, Blacktop, The Neighborhood, or a variety of other various features over the years. If you don’t like it, if you don’t care, it’s quite simple. Just don’t use them.
    ggsimmonds
    Yeah this news doesn’t move the needle for me one way or the other. Do I think the time is better spent on other things? Yeah, but not to the extent that it will noticeably lessen the quality of the overall product

    Same here. I just know a few people that are happy to hear about it (and some that don't care, to be honest) and I'm always for more gaming options for everyone in general so I'll speak up for it even if it's not my #1 thing, you know?
    GoDucks1224
    Congratulations! It does move the needle for some people. Like, I dunno. Women? My nieces? My sister? Some of my female friends who have an interest in the WNBA? I rather enjoy the idea of having the WNBA in the game.
    In response to your overly wordy comment to me above, no. I don’t claim to know a ton about game development. But you anti-WNBA inclusion people sure seem to think you do. You’re rebuking me for speculating on how I don’t think the time lost including the WNBA is a negative, and for my speculation of how I think the development process for this game goes, but you’re doing both of those things in your comments. You’re saying you think the time used on the WNBA is poorly spent. You’re saying you know the way the development process goes and are insinuating that the inclusion of the WNBA will hamper it. Are you a game developer? Do you work for 2K? Do you know how big their development team is? Their budget? The allocation of funds from one department to another? Please, enlighten me.
    Actually, wait, I don’t care. The WNBA is in the game regardless of what you naysayers continue to whine about on here. Thanks 2K.
    Final thoughts: This thread is ridiculous. The naysayers have no legitimate reasoning behind being so negative on this. You’re making grandiose assumptions about the playerbase, you’re speculating how much time the playerbase will actually play with these teams, you’re attacking the development process for even using the time or resources to include it without ANY insider knowledge on 2K’s developmental cycle, or where else the money/time would have gone to, you’re also just flat out attacking the inclusion of a league you are not fans of, and the people who support the inclusion. It’s in the game. You’ll still buy the game, you’ll still play the hell out of it, you’ll still love it, and the inclusion of the WNBA will not affect you. It is for those who care, those who are curious, and for attracting new players to the game who are more invested in the WNBA. Yes, those people exist, regardless of your claims. Also, to pretend sexism plays NO ROLE in at least some portion of negative opinions on the very simple inclusion of teams that you don’t have to use AT ALL, is the height of naivety. No one complained this much about the inclusion of a vast amount of historic teams that nobody uses. No one complained this much about the inclusion of dozens of EuroLeague teams that were rarely used. No one complained this much about MyTeam, Blacktop, The Neighborhood, or a variety of other various features over the years. If you don’t like it, if you don’t care, it’s quite simple. Just don’t use them.

    Wow.
    That was nice how you asked me to give exactly how I think the time could be better spent elsewhere then attack me for doing that.
    For the rest of what you wrote I’m only going to say one thing. Quote my comment where I said sexism plays no role. Go ahead.
    ggsimmonds
    Wow.
    That was nice how you asked me to give exactly how I think the time could be better spent elsewhere then attack me for doing that.
    For the rest of what you wrote I’m only going to say one thing. Quote my comment where I said sexism plays no role. Go ahead.

    In my earlier comment, I asked for suggestions of where it could be better spent. You said that was not something I should speculate on, because no one knows what is or isn’t in the game due to this. But then a couple comments later, you say you think the time could be better spent. (On what? This is why I asked.) You just told me not to speculate, and then broadly did the same thing just a few comments down. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of that. Attack? Hardly.
    I wasn’t necessarily referring to you. My comment was more general because multiple people in this thread have suggested sexism plays no role in this negativity.
    Yo remove the park, the rec center, and all the other stuff from 2K as well...that’s not NBA either. Just have basic career, franchise and league modes all the other stuff doesnt matter it’s just a waste of resources.
    Why use ad hominem arguments and not just support the idea that WNBA is a good addition to the game ?
    Also , speculating what is the reason behind this negativity gets you nowhere.
    PippenFan
    I'm very happy to hear that this is finally included in 2K. As far as the hate goes all I can do is shake my head at that. Shake my head at people saying nonsense like 2k (or some other company) should just make a separate game for the WNBA.
    Why? so you can look at it on the shelve at the store or on the PSN/XBOX digital menu and chuckle as you scroll/walk by it to buy whatever else you're shopping for? Nah man. That's not good for business, and at the end of the day most people who've been buying NBA 2k before will buy it again to keep right on playing the modes that they've been playing all along.
    Yall complaining about resources being wasted and acting like so much needs to be done that couldn't possibly be focused on because of this WNBA inclusion. It's all untrue excuses. Like others have said in this topic, the WNBA is apart of the NBA. Has always been since the very first tip off. Why else do you think the NBA would allow it to have "NBA" as part of its name with the W in the front. You want to complain about something let's talk about My Park. Whens the last time NBA players went to playgrounds to play street hoops? They don't, but it's in the game because that's just what it is. A video game.
    WNBA players have been featured in NBA Allstar weekend for over 10 years now, and have even been featured in other Official NBA Basketball games before even NBA live included it. NBA Street Volume 2 had the option for us to create female players for the story mode and its still one of the most popular Basketball games to ever come out. NBA Streets after that one have also had actual WNBA players.
    Anyway like I said, I'm looking forward to giving this a shot. I hope that 2k has the female My player/Park option for those who want to buy this game so they can use it. I'd also be down to try out a My League. If it's only 12 teams so what? This is a video game. A game that has already had tons of customization so all this mode needs is those options. The ability to create new teams in the video game. Ability to create new players to put on said custom teams. I hope Legends like Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper, Rebecca Lobo, etc are in too along with the rest of their teammates to add even more options for all of these WNBA included modes. Everything starts somewhere and I'm looking forward to watching the WNBA keep improving along with everything else featured in the upcoming installments of this series.

    This! Thank you!
    Dalsanto0026
    It looks as though you may be yet another member here who's in desperate need of some lessons in comprehension. It's not that difficult.
    The foolish comments I'm seeing are coming from the ones taking childish jabs at those who manage to grasp the fact that the time and effort put into this mode could be better spent elsewhere. Was that clear enough for you, or does this "clown" scare you?

    My question is who/what do you think this takes time and effort from?
    Face scans will be handled by the team who handles them
    Animation will be handled by the team who handles them.
    Programming, etc
    The resources “spent” on WNBA are not taking away from anything unless they’re dedicating a whole new mode catered to the WNBA addition.
    Whatever VC/2K decides to have or not have in the game is gonna be there or not be there regardless. And y’all know it.
    Ask yourself this , when 2k18 was out how many items did you have on a wishlist that did NOT make it into 2K19 ... there was no resources being “taken” up by WNBA then ....
    This is why it all sounds like folks just talking out their a**
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    Dalsanto0026
    Wrong again.
    The perception is that this is an NBA game. A game one would expect to be solely about the NBA, and hopefully an accurate representation of it.
    I have nothing against the WNBA, I've enjoyed the handful of games I've seen.
    I don't see why you've chosen to make a gross generalization about the gaming industry and turned this into a political thing.

    If people expected this game to be solely about the NBA , MyPark wouldn’t be as popular as it is tho
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    Gosens6
    I’m shaking in my boots, man. How dare I not realize the entire game is now a piece of garbage because of some added rosters.
    I am just too silly to realize that now they didn’t work on any sort of gameplay aspects whatsoever. In fact, it’s now clear to me that the WNBA portion of the game is the ONLY thing they worked on. Gosh darn those precious “time and resources”
    Thanks for correcting me, man.
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    Yeah well done buddy, just make a dumb exaggeration to get your points across. That works. 👍
    You're welcome.
    GoDucks1224
    Lmao this is such a farce. I hope you equally claimed the Euroleague was a waste of resources. I hope you think Blacktop and The Neighborhood are a waste of resources. I hope you think MyTeam is a waste of resources. I hope you think every single aspect of this game that isn’t directly related to an NBA team is a waste of resources. Or else you’re a gigantic hypocrite. Highly doubt you’re so adamantly against those additions. Where was the ‘wasted resources’ outrage for any of that stuff? I’ve been on these forums for over a decade (yes I know my account is 7 years old, I lurked for a long time without an account) and I saw some periodic pushback on new things being added to 2K or Live, but I have NEVER seen this level of pushback on a new feature. That’s my point.

    Actually, I did mention the Euroleague but amazingly you somehow managed to miss that post. Just a heads up, try paying attention next time, it helps if you want your argument to be taken seriously.
    I do think Blacktop, the Neighborhood and MyTeam are a waste of time, definitely. I'd prefer a game that's directly related to the NBA. I know crazy right?
    You "highly doubt" I'd be against these other features? Do you know me? That's right, you don't, so don't make assumptions about me ok, lurker?
    Newlegacy
    People will always call it politics when they get called out for their BS, it's hilarious. If you believe that adding in the WNBA took away from "time and resources" at best, absolute best, you are an idiot and at worst you're a sexist who is just so upset at the mere idea of women being in this game for whatever reason that you make up false narratives and numbers to defend yourself because you don't like being called out for your misogonystic views.

    I think this post takes the cake for the biggest load of garbage I've ever seen on this site.
    Congratulations. :appl:
    Dalsanto0026
    Actually, I did mention the Euroleague but amazingly you somehow managed to miss that post. Just a heads up, try paying attention next time, it helps if you want your argument to be taken seriously.
    I do think Blacktop, the Neighborhood and MyTeam are a waste of time, definitely. I'd prefer a game that's directly related to the NBA. I know crazy right?
    You "highly doubt" I'd be against these other features? Do you know me? That's right, you don't, so don't make assumptions about me ok, lurker?

    Wait. The dude with 700 posts in 12 years of being on this site is calling me a ‘lurker’ as an insult? 🤣 Good one bro. Sick burn. From what I can tell from this thread, lurker, is that you’re a very angry person. Maybe chill? I still don’t know why you care so much about bashing modes that have zero effect on you or your enjoyment of the game lol. It’s almost like people are allowed to like different things or something.
    ggsimmonds
    Why can’t people disagree on this and still remain civil?

    civil how? you don't want it in but others do. The only civil thing that can happen here is we all buying the game and playing it our way. Some will use the WNBA and others wont.
    ggsimmonds
    Why can’t people disagree on this and still remain civil?

    You tell me. You’ve insinuated I lack intelligence earlier in this thread, and this other guy attempted to insult me by.. Calling me a lurker? Lol. All because I think ‘time and resources’ is the most bogus excuse you can come up with. You’ve no idea what is or isn’t in the game because of this. You’ve no idea whether or not this will impact gameplay, which gets tuned constantly throughout the year. I simply don’t understand the outrage against the inclusion of a simple 12 team league that likely won’t affect you at all. Just mind boggling to me. This thread should have been full of replies like ‘Oh cool.’ Or ‘Cool for the people who care. I personally don’t.’ Not replies like ‘Wow what a waste of time.’ Or ‘Nobody cares.’ The negativity is seriously unwarranted, and as I said before I think sexism certainly plays a role in it. If this ends up being the most broken, glitched, unsatisfying 2K ever, then sure. I’ll eat crow and say it’s because they focused on the implementation of the WNBA too much. But I highly doubt I’ll be eating any crow.
    I don't get it. They make the game, we choose to buy it if we want it. What's the problem? If you don't like something they put in the game one year, then wait a year and buy it next year instead. It comes out every year so it's not like it's a huge game that you've been waiting 5 years from and decide you don't like the direction they've taken it in.
    I don't understand the animosity and the name calling over the fact that they've put women players In a basketball game that's come out every year for 20 years now.
    No one's forcing anyone to buy it and the company who makes it doesn't owe you to make it exactly the way YOU'VE decided you think it should be.
    Wow. As a woman going through and reading the replies on this thread...all I have to say is yikes.
    My whole group of friends I play 2k with is female. We’re all pretty excited.
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    KyotoCarl
    I don't get it. They make the game, we choose to buy it if we want it. What's the problem? If you don't like something they put in the game one year, then wait a year and buy it next year instead. It comes out every year so it's not like it's a huge game that you've been waiting 5 years from and decide you don't like the direction they've taken it in.
    I don't understand the animosity and the name calling over the fact that they've put women players In a basketball game that's come out every year for 20 years now.
    No one's forcing anyone to buy it and the company who makes it doesn't owe you to make it exactly the way YOU'VE decided you think it should be.

    or they could still buy the game and simply not use the features that they aren't interested in.
    GoDucks1224
    You tell me. You’ve insinuated I lack intelligence earlier in this thread, and this other guy attempted to insult me by.. Calling me a lurker? Lol. All because I think ‘time and resources’ is the most bogus excuse you can come up with. You’ve no idea what is or isn’t in the game because of this. You’ve no idea whether or not this will impact gameplay, which gets tuned constantly throughout the year. I simply don’t understand the outrage against the inclusion of a simple 12 team league that likely won’t affect you at all. Just mind boggling to me. This thread should have been full of replies like ‘Oh cool.’ Or ‘Cool for the people who care. I personally don’t.’ Not replies like ‘Wow what a waste of time.’ Or ‘Nobody cares.’ The negativity is seriously unwarranted, and as I said before I think sexism certainly plays a role in it. If this ends up being the most broken, glitched, unsatisfying 2K ever, then sure. I’ll eat crow and say it’s because they focused on the implementation of the WNBA too much. But I highly doubt I’ll be eating any crow.

    I never insinuated that you lack intelligence.
    One of the purposes of message boards is to provide feedback. This myth that you should only provide feedback when it is positive needs to end. It shows up everywhere.
    Let’s rephrase the argument and use a real life example from several years ago. If 2k announced a new mode called Mascot Challenge would you object to anyone saying they believe the resources could better be used elsewhere?
    Was going to skip out on NBA 2K20, but this WNBA talk has made me rethink that decision. I love supporting the WNBA. I buy WNBA League Pass, I watch the games & I buy some of the merchandise. Only thing that irritates me about the league is that there's no team near Mississippi that I can support in person. (Would love seeing a team set up shop in Memphis and/or New Orleans).
    With that being said, if implemented right, I will be making multiple builds of female characters for MyPark. I personally wouldn't be mad if 2K allows women to get off crazy dunks at the park. I mean you have dudes with all kinds of crazy builds hitting 3 point shots from half court at ease so why not make it somewhat arcadey for female characters...
    The chance of making a Sue Bird style character for Park has me hyped. Will be nice to see what type of clothing they add as well. (Jordans that only come in women sizes, WNBA jerseys that can be rocked by both male & female characters, etc)
    2K just wants to get girls hooked on VC too. Nothing virtuous or wholesome about this. They're busy trying to get into new markets instead of investing time and resources on the one they have now. That's where some other posters and I are frustrated. To be frank any one dismissing this criticism as sexist needs to have a better look at this ****.
    ggsimmonds
    I never insinuated that you lack intelligence.
    One of the purposes of message boards is to provide feedback. This myth that you should only provide feedback when it is positive needs to end. It shows up everywhere.
    Let’s rephrase the argument and use a real life example from several years ago. If 2k announced a new mode called Mascot Challenge would you object to anyone saying they believe the resources could better be used elsewhere?

    Well, it wouldn’t be my cup of tea. But I don’t see how that mode would detract from the game either. This game isn’t strictly an NBA game. Their most popular mode is MyPark/Neighborhood. Which is just street ball.
    Plus, we would never know if something was affected or taken away because of it.
    GoDucks1224
    Well, it wouldn’t be my cup of tea. But I don’t see how that mode would detract from the game either. This game isn’t strictly an NBA game. Their most popular mode is MyPark/Neighborhood. Which is just street ball.
    Plus, we would never know if something was affected or taken away because of it.

    I don’t think too many people would object in that scenario. That’s my point.
    When NCAA introduced the mascot game a lot people opined that time could be spent elsewhere. No one objected and said what you guys are saying here. The logic should be the same.
    Instead of 2k announcing the WNBA if they announced a mascot challenge you probably would not mind if people said what I’m saying. But because there is a possibility that sexism is at play, we aren’t allowed to to express valid criticisms.
    ggsimmonds
    I don’t think too many people would object in that scenario. That’s my point.
    When NCAA introduced the mascot game a lot people opined that time could be spent elsewhere. No one objected and said what you guys are saying here. The logic should be the same.
    Instead of 2k announcing the WNBA if they announced a mascot challenge you probably would not mind if people said what I’m saying. But because there is a possibility that sexism is at play, we aren’t allowed to to express valid criticisms.

    There's a difference between some silly made up Mascot challenge and an actual league with a season, playoffs and championship like what the WNBA is.
    Mascot fans at least have had the option to buy and use those suits in My Park in the last few installments of NBA 2k so that's enough to satisfy them.
    ggsimmonds
    Instead of 2k announcing the WNBA if they announced a mascot challenge you probably would not mind if people said what I’m saying. But because there is a possibility that sexism is at play, we aren’t allowed to to express valid criticisms.

    The criticism should come more when game info is released though. (It'd make this a more boring thread though, haha.) As it is, it's people (again, not everyone) creating an imaginary worst-case scenario for themselves ('This took away from !') without having proof of that, then raging against the WNBA addition...because of their feelings over a scenario that right now only exists in their head.
    If info comes out about things that were omitted because of the time spent on WNBA, fine. Until there's a reason not to, I'm going to trust that 2K laid out their plans for 2K20 and budgeted their time and resources to accomplish what they wanted to.
    And I know the point you're going for, but a mascot mode has no real-life reference the way WNBA does. It's comparing apples to oranges.
    PippenFan
    There's a difference between some silly made up Mascot challenge and an actual league with a season, playoffs and championship like what the WNBA is.
    Mascot fans at least have had the option to buy and use those suits in My Park in the last few installments of NBA 2k so that's enough to satisfy them.

    The only difference is that with one you think it is a worthwhile addition.
    The logic remains the same
    ggsimmonds
    The only difference is that with one you think it is a worthwhile addition.
    The logic remains the same

    Your logic remains terrible and incorrect.
    PippenFan
    There's a difference between some silly made up Mascot challenge and an actual league with a season, playoffs and championship like what the WNBA is.
    Mascot fans at least have had the option to buy and use those suits in My Park in the last few installments of NBA 2k so that's enough to satisfy them.

    Ah, see, this is where the problem begins.
    No one person gets to determine what is or isn't a "silly" mode as you seem to have the right to do.
    What seems silly to you, may not be silly to another and that's why we're at where we're at with this discussion.
    Some people just thinks its silly, and while a few have gone over the top with their argument, it's still a fair discussion to have.
    You can't unilaterally say that this mode can't be compared to another "silly" mode from another game because the common denominator of "does it take away development time" from other area's of the game is still the same issue regardless of the mode.
    kehlis
    Ah, see, this is where the problem begins.
    No one person gets to determine what is or isn't a "silly" mode as you seem to have the right to do.
    What seems silly to you, may not be silly to another and that's why we're at where we're at with this discussion.
    Some people just thinks its silly, and while a few have gone over the top with their argument, it's still a fair discussion to have.
    You can't unilaterally say that this mode can't be compared to another "silly" mode from another game because the common denominator of "does it take away development time" from other area's of the game is still the same issue regardless of the mode.

    Compared to something that actually exists like WNBA basketball? It is silly. Besides, like I said we already technically have Mascot suits in My Park which is more than enough for that community.
    SmashMan
    The criticism should come more when game info is released though. (It'd make this a more boring thread though, haha.) As it is, it's people (again, not everyone) creating an imaginary worst-case scenario for themselves ('This took away from !') without having proof of that, then raging against the WNBA addition...because of their feelings over a scenario that right now only exists in their head.
    If info comes out about things that were omitted because of the time spent on WNBA, fine. Until there's a reason not to, I'm going to trust that 2K laid out their plans for 2K20 and budgeted their time and resources to accomplish what they wanted to.
    And I know the point you're going for, but a mascot mode has no real-life reference the way WNBA does. It's comparing apples to oranges.

    I agree that some create the worst case scenario in their head, and for others it’s just a knee jerk reaction to what they would deem as political correctness run amok. No arguments there.
    I also trust 2k and think the game will be a day one purchase that leaves me a satisfied customer.
    And with the mascot challenge, yeah I don’t mean to suggest that the WNBA is equally silly. The only point is that if we cannot criticize a feature before release because we don’t have the final product, that should hold true whether it be apples, oranges, or watermelons.
    To finalize things, what the game looks like at release doesn’t determine whether I think this is a worthwhile addition. If the feature is still in the game and supported 3 years from now is what will determine that. For those of you excited about this, I genuinely hope it is. I just don’t think it will be, I think it gets dropped in two years due to lack of usage. Time will tell if that is true
    kehlis
    Ah, see, this is where the problem begins.
    No one person gets to determine what is or isn't a "silly" mode as you seem to have the right to do.
    What seems silly to you, may not be silly to another and that's why we're at where we're at with this discussion.
    Some people just thinks its silly, and while a few have gone over the top with their argument, it's still a fair discussion to have.
    You can't unilaterally say that this mode can't be compared to another "silly" mode from another game because the common denominator of "does it take away development time" from other area's of the game is still the same issue regardless of the mode.

    Your final line is my exact point.
    “I don’t think feature x is worth the development time”
    “You can’t say that until we see the final product”
    That is the argument we are having, and it doesn’t matter what feature x is.
    PippenFan
    Compared to something that actually exists like WNBA basketball? It is silly. Besides, like I said we already technically have Mascot suits in My Park which is more than enough for that community.

    You’re still missing the point entirely. You're focusing way too much on the what which turns it into an opinion rather than a discussion.
    Keep in mind, I’m a very neutral third party who was only drawn here as a moderator due to the nature of the thread so I have no dog in the fight.
    There has been a lot of ludicrous arguments made why it shouldn’t be in the game but there has been one fair question asked that is okay to discuss and that is does it affect development time?
    That is the only thing that you aren’t addressing.
    If you would spend more time debating why you think extra dev time is either worth it or negligible rather than weakly insulting someone who disagrees with you, you would come off as much more of voice to listen to.
    Right now you just come off as agree with me or I’m taking my ball and going home.
    (Not a good look by the way).
    kika215
    Wow. As a woman going through and reading the replies on this thread...all I have to say is yikes.
    My whole group of friends I play 2k with is female. We’re all pretty excited.
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    This x 1,000,000.
    I'm super hype about it. I'm happy that I may actually be able to be myself. There's a lot more female gamers than people think that play 2k.
    kehlis
    You’re still missing the point entirely. You're focusing way too much on the what which turns it into an opinion rather than a discussion.
    Keep in mind, I’m a very neutral third party who was only drawn here as a moderator due to the nature of the thread so I have no dog in the fight.
    There has been a lot of ludicrous arguments made why it shouldn’t be in the game but there has been one fair question asked that is okay to discuss and that is does it affect development time?
    That is the only thing that you aren’t addressing.
    If you would spend more time debating why you think extra dev time is either worth it or negligible rather than weakly insulting someone who disagrees with you, you would come off as much more of voice to listen to.
    Right now you just come off as agree with me or I’m taking my ball and going home.
    (Not a good look by the way).

    They have a big enough development team to be able to focus on anything else while adding the WNBA at the same time. So no I don't think its an issue. This is NBA 2k20 after all so surely they will try to make it stand out just like they did with 2k10, and I'm confident that they'll only follow up with even greater things moving forward just like they did with 2k11 and 12. The WNBA will only keep getting its share of updates along with everything else.
    ggsimmonds
    I don’t think too many people would object in that scenario. That’s my point.
    When NCAA introduced the mascot game a lot people opined that time could be spent elsewhere. No one objected and said what you guys are saying here. The logic should be the same.
    Instead of 2k announcing the WNBA if they announced a mascot challenge you probably would not mind if people said what I’m saying. But because there is a possibility that sexism is at play, we aren’t allowed to to express valid criticisms.

    Leaving out the context is disingenuous. Mascot Challenge is nothing, a silly game between guys in oversized suits. The WNBA is a league of hard working and talented women that has actual meaning to a lot of people, regardless of what you think. They’re not really comparable features in terms of what they bring to the table, in my opinion.
    I understand you’re going for a ‘They both take time’ angle here, but I think there could be much better examples because I just think the impact of a real league of hard working talented women is on an entirely different level than a funny game type intended to make people chuckle, and that needs to be factored. Still, I firmly believe this will have little to no impact on the overall game and I think using that assumption as a source of outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I also think, again, if it wasn’t a women’s basketball league, the outrage would be lessened. I’m not saying everyone who disagrees with its implementation is sexist, but I think it plays a role in the quick dismissal of it. More on a subconscious level.
    But yes, to your point, I wouldn’t care this much if people were outraged about the implementation of mascot mode. Because it has no real world impact or importance. The WNBA means something. It means something to women, to little girls across the country, to fans. It’s progress. Which, based on this thread, we very obviously need.
    GoDucks1224
    Leaving out the context is disingenuous. Mascot Challenge is nothing, a silly game between guys in oversized suits. The WNBA is a league of hard working and talented women that has actual meaning to a lot of people, regardless of what you think. They’re not really comparable features in terms of what they bring to the table, in my opinion.
    I understand you’re going for a ‘They both take time’ angle here, but I think there could be much better examples because I just think the impact of a real league of hard working talented women is on an entirely different level than a funny game type intended to make people chuckle, and that needs to be factored. Still, I firmly believe this will have little to no impact on the overall game and I think using that assumption as a source of outrage is absolutely ridiculous. I also think, again, if it wasn’t a women’s basketball league, the outrage would be lessened. I’m not saying everyone who disagrees with its implementation is sexist, but I think it plays a role in the quick dismissal of it. More on a subconscious level.
    But yes, to your point, I wouldn’t care this much if people were outraged about the implementation of mascot mode. Because it has no real world impact or importance. The WNBA means something. It means something to women, to little girls across the country, to fans. It’s progress. Which, based on this thread, we very obviously need.

    My last comment on the matter is this, there is just as much outrage that some people have the audacity to question the inclusion and that’s what bothers me. I’m not allowed to question it because of little girls around the country. Stop it.
    ggsimmonds
    My last comment on the matter is this, there is just as much outrage that some people have the audacity to question the inclusion and that’s what bothers me. I’m not allowed to question it because of little girls around the country. Stop it.

    Lol, going in circles. So here’s the thing. I physically cannot understand why you, or anyone, is against the inclusion of 12 teams in a league associated with the NBA. Your first reaction to seeing this news is ‘Wow what a waste of time and resources.’ But you have zero reasoning for this logic to be applied. There has been zero information about this game other than the cover athlete, and the WNBA being included. You do not know how much this cost, how much time was dedicated to it, how much it pulled away from other aspects of the game if at all, you do not know the size of the development team, there are a multitude of things you do not have any information on. Yet your FIRST reaction is to complain about it. To belittle it. To argue to death why it’s bad for the game. Why? Please provide me a concise list of reasons for why the inclusion of 12 teams is a net negative for this game. Please provide me with indisputable evidence that rationalizes this outrage. None of you dissenters have given anything. You’ve only speculated, and made assumptions, without any quantifiable proof. How about you wait till the game releases before you bemoan the inclusion of 12 teams, less than 200 players, which could simply end up being confined to Play Now. Pardon me for choosing not to be a cynic, who assumes that the inclusion of these 12 teams, will somehow be the downfall of the NBA2K franchise as we know it. As I stated before, if the game comes out and is terrible, I’ll happily admit the WNBA inclusion may have been a factor. But as it stands, the outrage around this is absolutely ludicrous. And you know what.. Yes, frankly I do have a problem with people disagreeing with its inclusion, simply because I cannot find any valid reasoning, or logic, within your arguments. ‘Time and resources’ is nothing but a hollow couple of words until you have something of actual substance to use as an example of why this is problematic. A comparison to ‘mascot mode’ is not one. The inclusion of women in the game, and a league directly affiliated with the NBA, cannot be anything but a net positive in my mind. Inclusion, progress, potential sales boost, the possibility of women being able to play as an avatar that they feel suits them more in Park/Neighborhood. I’m sorry, but I just fail to see the negative in it. There is no logical reason for me to do so at this time.
    Go ahead and question it, that’s your right. But I will never agree with you. I will never understand your logic. I will never understand jumping to conclusions, making grandiose assumptions, assertions, insinuations, and then being outraged by them. I flat out think you’re wrong, and arguing against the inclusion of women with no tangible reasoning, just absolutely does not seem right to me. Morally, or otherwise.
    GoDucks1224
    Lol, going in circles. So here’s the thing. I physically cannot understand why you, or anyone, is against the inclusion of 12 teams in a league associated with the NBA. Your first reaction to seeing this news is ‘Wow what a waste of time and resources.’ But you have zero reasoning for this logic to be applied. There has been zero information about this game other than the cover athlete, and the WNBA being included. You do not know how much this cost, how much time was dedicated to it, how much it pulled away from other aspects of the game if at all, you do not know the size of the development team, there are a multitude of things you do not have any information on. Yet your FIRST reaction is to complain about it. To belittle it. To argue to death why it’s bad for the game. Why? Please provide me a concise list of reasons for why the inclusion of 12 teams is a net negative for this game. Please provide me with indisputable evidence that rationalizes this outrage. None of you dissenters have given anything. You’ve only speculated, and made assumptions, without any quantifiable proof. How about you wait till the game releases before you bemoan the inclusion of 12 teams, less than 200 players, which could simply end up being confined to Play Now. Pardon me for choosing not to be a cynic, who assumes that the inclusion of these 12 teams, will somehow be the downfall of the NBA2K franchise as we know it. As I stated before, if the game comes out and is terrible, I’ll happily admit the WNBA inclusion may have been a factor. But as it stands, the outrage around this is absolutely ludicrous. And you know what.. Yes, frankly I do have a problem with people disagreeing with its inclusion, simply because I cannot find any valid reasoning, or logic, within your arguments. ‘Time and resources’ is nothing but a hollow couple of words until you have something of actual substance to use as an example of why this is problematic. A comparison to ‘mascot mode’ is not one. The inclusion of women in the game, and a league directly affiliated with the NBA, cannot be anything but a net positive in my mind. Inclusion, progress, potential sales boost, the possibility of women being able to play as an avatar that they feel suits them more in Park/Neighborhood. I’m sorry, but I just fail to see the negative in it. There is no logical reason for me to do so at this time.
    Go ahead and question it, that’s your right. But I will never agree with you. I will never understand your logic. I will never understand jumping to conclusions, making grandiose assumptions, assertions, insinuations, and then being outraged by them. I flat out think you’re wrong, and arguing against the inclusion of women with no tangible reasoning, just absolutely does not seem right to me. Morally, or otherwise.

    Two months after release let’s see how active the WNBA play now thread is in this forum. Then maybe you’ll understand better
    ggsimmonds
    Two months after release let’s see how active the WNBA play now thread is in this forum. Then maybe you’ll understand better

    Who cares? Your argument isn’t that people won’t play with the teams, your argument is that it’s inclusion is bad for the game overall.
    Whether or not how active a thread about the WNBA teams included in the game is irrelevant
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    ggsimmonds
    Two months after release let’s see how active the WNBA play now thread is in this forum. Then maybe you’ll understand better

    2K’s gaming community expands well outside of OS.
    I don’t think you can fairly judge the failure or success of any given mode simply by how it’s viewed on OS.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    ggsimmonds
    Two months after release let’s see how active the WNBA play now thread is in this forum. Then maybe you’ll understand better

    That’s the point you’ve been trying to make this whole team? Saying it’s bad for the game, arguing about time and resources, making up statistics and assumptions about the development team and process. This entire time your point was... People on OS won’t discuss it regularly? People won’t play it regularly? Wow, man. Nice. At least we got to the heart of it. I’m glad you’re so concerned how other people are playing 2K.
    Not to mention that OS is a tiny sliver of the overall 2K community. It’s the most played sports game today. (Besides FIFA for the obvious reason that soccer is the most played sport globally.)
    I will likely play with WNBA teams for 1-2 hours. I sit in the boat that hopes not a ton of resources were pumped into this. Why? WNBA just is not popular at all. The WNBA finals see ratings around 0.5. 150,000-300,000 people at most are tuning in to watch the championship games for the league. The numbers tell the story, relative to the NBA nobody cares about the WNBA. Relative to other sports nobody really cares about the WNBA. It's cool that the fans of the league get the ability to play the game, but when you look at the demand, it really isn't there. Even college baseball has more viewers than the WNBA, but nobody will tell you the demand for a college baseball game is there.
    If this was an easy addition and didn't really take too much dev time away from other areas of the game, no biggie. If this was the main focus and had a good chunk of resources pumped into it then you gotta wonder what analytics were the driving force behind the decision because the league's popularity was definitely not it.
    canes21
    I will likely play with WNBA teams for 1-2 hours. I sit in the boat that hopes not a ton of resources were pumped into this. Why? WNBA just is not popular at all. The WNBA finals see ratings around 0.5. 150,000-300,000 people at most are tuning in to watch the championship games for the league. The numbers tell the story, relative to the NBA nobody cares about the WNBA. Relative to other sports nobody really cares about the WNBA. It's cool that the fans of the league get the ability to play the game, but when you look at the demand, it really isn't there. Even college baseball has more viewers than the WNBA, but nobody will tell you the demand for a college baseball game is there.
    If this was an easy addition and didn't really take too much dev time away from other areas of the game, no biggie. If this was the main focus and had a good chunk of resources pumped into it then you gotta wonder what analytics were the driving force behind the decision because the league's popularity was definitely not it.

    As opposed to what? Where else would the time and resources have gone? They don’t make monumental gameplay changes every year, and constantly tune throughout the cycle even if they do. That’s all I want to know. What else do you think the ‘time and resources’ should be spent on, without any inside knowledge of the development? What specifically is not going to be implemented, or tuned correctly, because of the inclusion of the 12 teams of the WNBA? Seriously, I’m GENUINELY curious what it is you/others think will be negatively impact by the inclusion of these 12 teams. This is why that complaint bothers me. It seems completely hollow.
    GoDucks1224
    As opposed to what? Where else would the time and resources have gone? They don’t make monumental gameplay changes every year, and constantly tune throughout the cycle even if they do. That’s all I want to know. What else do you think the ‘time and resources’ should be spent on, without any inside knowledge of the development? What specifically is not going to be implemented, or tuned correctly, because of the inclusion of the 12 teams of the WNBA? Seriously, I’m GENUINELY curious what it is you/others think will be negatively impact by the inclusion of these 12 teams. This is why that complaint bothers me. It seems completely hollow.

    It's not a hollow complaint. I said it very clearly in my post. If this addition didn't really take any resources away then it isn't a big deal. If they spent a lot of resources on this addition and it kept them from fixing certain legacy issues or adding another feature they had hoped to add then I think the decision was questionable given the demand surrounding the WNBA is nearly nonexistent.
    canes21
    It's not a hollow complaint. I said it very clearly in my post. If this addition didn't really take any resources away then it isn't a big deal. If they spent a lot of resources on this addition and it kept them from fixing certain legacy issues or adding another feature they had hoped to add then I think the decision was questionable given the demand surrounding the WNBA is nearly nonexistent.

    See. The thing is... You’re already blaming the implementation of the WNBA for ANY issue you find with the game. By preemptively saying it’s a waste of time and resources, you are assuring that any single disappointment, flaw, or anything negative, will be attributed to the implementation of the WNBA. You are biased against it from jump, simply because you don’t care about it and assume no one else does. That’s why I have such a problem with this incredibly ignorant and unspecific complaint of ‘time and resources.’ I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. All of you keep parroting the same ‘time and resources’ crap but you have no valid reasoning for it, and you’re preemptively blaming it for any and all potential issues with the game. You’re just confirming your biases to yourselves.
    You're really assuming a lot in that post and it's basically all incorrect. I wasn't clear enough with my first post, so I will try and say it a different way here.
    I only question the decision to put this into the game because the league is basically not desired at all. TV numbers are terrible for the league. Attendance numbers are terrible for the league. The WNBA is really not a desired product. I have zero clue as to how much effort was put into bringing the WNBA into the game. Neither do you. I already said that it was neat that they added it for those that cared, so don't try and say I assume no one cares about this addition. You are plain wrong there and had you read my post carefully then you would have seen that.
    I do not question this decision because I have prejudices against the WNBA, because I hate women, or because I assume absolutely nobody cares about it. I question the decision because I am curious as to how much work was put into bringing in something that really is not popular and was not in much demand at all. I've already stated that if this didn't take much effort to add then that's cool. However, if they pumped a lot of resources into this and we missed out on a lot of other improvements to more popular areas of the game then I simply question the decision. That is all there is to it.
    I'm glad that you seem to be into the WNBA and are going to enjoy the addition to the game. I know there are going to be a few WNBA fans that are excited also. I bet a small number of female gamers are hyped about this also. I simply don't see where there was enough demand for this to be added unless it took very little effort. Does that make sense to you? The analytics do not add up for this to be a major feature that took required a lot of work so if it did then I simply question their decision. That is it. I'd be asking the same exact questions if 2k had decided they were going to find some weird way to add another mode that was not in demand and was likely to not be that popular.
    It's just me questioning the business side of it. I don't doubt that there are numerous people out there that would love to have a college baseball video game again. I know I'd like one. I also know that overall the demand for one is so little that if EA brought the series back I'd really question why they were dedicating the resources to something that had such little demand. I'd be excited to get a college baseball game again, but I'd also be confused as to what would prompt EA to dedicate resources to a sports game that will be relatively unpopular and likely not very profitable. If they took development time away from Madden or any other major title then I'd really be even more confused by their decision.
    That is where I sit with this decision. I understand there are people that follow the WNBA and will be happy with this announcement, but I question why 2k decided to add it to the game simply because it is so unpopular and did not seem to really be in demand relative to so much else with the game.
    Attendance and all that other stuff has been low for years yes, but at the same time one thing I've noticed over the years are tons of videos, posts on forums, social media, etc from fans talking about whether they'd like to see WNBA either get it's own video game or be included in one of the popular NBA ones (NBA Live and NBA2K), and for years many have said yes, so now they get to enjoy this.
    At the end of the day this is just a video game so what happens in the real life league isn't any proof that this can't succeed. Many people out there don't watch the current era of NBA basketball but they still buy 2k for one of multiple reasons. The My Park mode to play with friends, the classic teams they can use in either My Team or exhibition games, All Star Team Up perhaps, My League, etc.
    The WNBA should be no different as long as 2K does their part in adding that brand to all of those things. Females in My Park will likely be the most popular of everything that comes out of it but atleast having current & classic teams in Exhibition/My League would be a great additional option as well. Especially my League. In real life there's 12 teams and with my league we could create our own custom squads to add to that. Relocate whichever team to where we want. Add Legends and their teammates, and as many Created players as the game allows.
    Heck, if done right this could actually help get more people out there into the real WNBA product at some point. Not only to watch, but could even get some girls interested in wanting to play in the real one some day when they get older. May sound silly now but you never know. A lot of NBA players grew up playing the games. Some may have got into the league playing the games first. It's quite possible.
    canes21
    I will likely play with WNBA teams for 1-2 hours. I sit in the boat that hopes not a ton of resources were pumped into this. Why? WNBA just is not popular at all. The WNBA finals see ratings around 0.5. 150,000-300,000 people at most are tuning in to watch the championship games for the league. The numbers tell the story, relative to the NBA nobody cares about the WNBA. Relative to other sports nobody really cares about the WNBA. It's cool that the fans of the league get the ability to play the game, but when you look at the demand, it really isn't there. Even college baseball has more viewers than the WNBA, but nobody will tell you the demand for a college baseball game is there.
    If this was an easy addition and didn't really take too much dev time away from other areas of the game, no biggie. If this was the main focus and had a good chunk of resources pumped into it then you gotta wonder what analytics were the driving force behind the decision because the league's popularity was definitely not it.

    Using your figures, if 10% of those 150,000 to 300,000 people wanted/requested the inclusion of WNBA to the NBA 2K series, that is 15,000 to 30,000 new buyers of the game which equates to an additional $600,000 to $1.2M dollars in sales, and that's if they sold at an average price of $40 each. And those new buyer figures don't include those that actually buy season tickets and support the WNBA.
    And again I'm only using 10% of the figures you state actually watch the games on tv, and again those figures do not include those in attendance.
    I would say that is a pretty decent demand, and incentive, for 2K to include the WNBA into their game.
    PippenFan

    At the end of the day this is just a video game so what happens in the real life league isn't any proof that this can't succeed. Many people out there don't watch the current era of NBA basketball but they still buy 2k for one of multiple reasons. The My Park mode to play with friends, the classic teams they can use in either My Team or exhibition games, All Star Team Up perhaps, My League, etc.

    Excellent point. I've ran into tons of people on 2K who have never touched a basketball and don't watch the NBA, but who play the game because they find the game fun or enjoy the competition. Obviously capturing NBA fans is a big part of the business plan, but clearly they need to appeal to more than just that fanbase to be successful. That's clearly the same goal behind including the WNBA. Warning, sarcastic comment: I mean, you might be surprised at how many GTA players don't run around carjacking people and getting into gun fights :cool:).
    People not watching NBA, but buying 2k to play MyPlayer and MyPark are very different than people not watching the NBA, but buying 2k to play with WNBA teams. We have clear evidence that modes like MyPark and MyPlayer are in serious demand around the industry. Those modes and the modes like Ultimate Team are what are hot right now. There is zero question surrounding the demand for those additions.
    You all may think that the WNBA is wanted enough to not really question its addition. That is fine. We just see it differently.
    I just see relatively zero demand for the WNBA. Relative to other major professional sports nobody cares for the league. Even compared to collegiate sports it really doesn't have anyone caring for it. The women's college softball championship games get millions of viewers watching them annually. The WNBA finals games can barely get a quarter million people to tune in. Relative to the other major sports both professionally and collegiate and some other minor sports like women's softball, nobody really cares about the WNBA. That is simply why I question the addition.
    Could I be wrong and 2k20 will see 200,000 new sales because of the WNBA's inclusion? Yes. I don't really see that as being likely. I don't even see it getting 30,000 extra sales all by itself like CountryBoy was alluding to it potentially doing. I've searched and cannot find any evidence that the WNBA being included in NBA Live did anything for its sales. I imagine a similar tale for 2k20.
    Again, it is perfectly fine if you all think this addition is great for the game, the league, gamers, etc. I simply question it coming from a number's standpoint. The numbers do not lie. You can argue all you want that this is great for the series. All I am saying is look at the numbers and then can you understand why I question this decision? There is relatively no demand for this league. If MLB The Show decided to added women's college softball to their game I would imagine plenty of people would be questioning its addition to the game despite it being much more popular than the WNBA. All I am doing here is looking at the numbers, seeing the WNBA is relatively dead, and questioning the inclusion of the league because it definitely is not added because the WNBA is so popular.
    I don't usually venture outside the Madden and football forums too often, but I had heard about the news regarding the WNBA being in NBA 2K20 and was pretty pleased to see it. I was curious about how OS was reacting to the news, and seeing the wild responses on this thread about the WNBA being included is unbelievable. This idea about "wasting" or "misappropriating" resources in game development is unsubstantiated until release and probably not even quantifiable. How do you measure that? "I saw this glitch in the game, and it would have been fixed if not for the WNBA"? It is the beauty of options and customization. Making the game accessible and fun for anyone. It's one of the reasons why I can play 2K year-long and other sports games fade out after their seasons' end.
    Will I play with the WNBA? Likely not, maybe once or twice. But I really like that it is in because I will never sneer at more options being available and having more people feel represented in the game they want to play. I'm all for it.
    MajorSupreme
    I don't usually venture outside the Madden and football forums too often, but I had heard about the news regarding the WNBA being in NBA 2K20 and was pretty pleased to see it. I was curious about how OS was reacting to the news, and seeing the wild responses on this thread about the WNBA being included is unbelievable. This idea about "wasting" or "misappropriating" resources in game development is unsubstantiated until release and probably not even quantifiable. How do you measure that? "I saw this glitch in the game, and it would have been fixed if not for the WNBA"? It is the beauty of options and customization. Making the game accessible and fun for anyone. It's one of the reasons why I can play 2K year-long and other sports games fade out after their seasons' end.
    Will I play with the WNBA? Likely not, maybe once or twice. But I really like that it is in because I will never sneer at more options being available and having more people feel represented in the game they want to play. I'm all for it.

    Didn't you read though, there is no demand. None of the 150,000 to 300,000 people that viewed the championship game want to play the WNBA in a video game nor do any of the 6700 fans (average attendance in 2018) want to play the WNBA in a video game.
    Numbers don't lie. There is no demand for it.
    :rolleyes:
    What I find odd is that when you venture into the madden forums you see people crying over and over about how many resources are pumped into MUT and not Franchise mode. Nobody bats an eye at those complaints. Yet, when someone like myself simply says I hope that this didn't take a substantial amount of resources from other areas of the game or else I really question the decision we get railed for having that opinion. I'm not going to sit here and see legacy issues or bugs and say, "Thanks WNBA" when I play 2k20, so people that keep making that argument can just stop. It's a silly argument to make. All we are saying is that IF this took a good effort to implement and took a lot of focus off of other areas that get more playtime then you wonder why they made the decision. Again, that is an IF. You, me, nobody here really knows if this took them 3 days to do and didn't change their plans with the rest of the game. We don't know if this was a huge task and we aren't going to get much more added to the game in terms of new features or polish because of it. None of us know that. Those of us questioning this addition are only saying that IF this is the latter situation then it is a questionable decision.
    countryboy
    Didn't you read though, there is no demand. None of the 150,000 to 300,000 people that viewed the championship game want to play the WNBA in a video game nor do any of the 6700 fans (average attendance in 2018) want to play the WNBA in a video game.
    Numbers don't lie. There is no demand for it.
    :rolleyes:

    I know you are basically being sarcastic trying to be funny, or at least I hope you are, but my post clearly does not state that nobody wants the game and for you to act like it does reflects poorly on you. The fact that you are stooping to a low level post like this just makes it appear as if you have nothing to really say to the numbers indicating the demand for the WNBA is so low that this is a questionable decision if it took a lot of resources to add so you are resorting to trying to be snarky instead of actually coming back with anything of substance.
    canes21
    I know you are basically being sarcastic trying to be funny, or at least I hope you are, but my post clearly does not state that nobody wants the game and for you to act like it does reflects poorly on you. The fact that you are stooping to a low level post like this just makes it appear as if you have nothing to really say to the numbers indicating the demand for the WNBA is so low that this is a questionable decision if it took a lot of resources to add so you are resorting to trying to be snarky instead of actually coming back with anything of substance.

    I responded to the numbers. You just choose to ignore it because it uses the same type of speculation that you're using to suggest this is wasted development time and resources and that there is little to no demand for the WNBA to be included.
    You thought if you throw out these numbers and speculation and present it as fact that everyone would accept your opinion as being correct and that would be the end of it. But as usual, when someone refutes and refuses to accept your opinion as fact and presents an differing view, you resort to this type of post to try to agitate that person so that they either get frustrated by you and stop posting, so there is no challenge to your opinion, or they attack you personally thus deviating away from challenging your opinion.
    But I'll give you what you want, I'll step away from the conversation because its completely pointless because as you alluded to, nobody knows what all was involved in adding the WNBA into NBA 2k20. It's all pure speculation.
    countryboy
    I responded to the numbers. You just choose to ignore it because it uses the same type of speculation that you're using to suggest this is wasted development time and resources and that there is little to no demand for the WNBA to be included.
    You thought if you throw out these numbers and speculation and present it as fact that everyone would accept your opinion as being correct and that would be the end of it. But as usual, when someone refutes and refuses to accept your opinion as fact and presents an differing view, you resort to this type of post to try to agitate that person so that they either get frustrated by you and stop posting, so there is no challenge to your opinion, or they attack you personally thus deviating away from challenging your opinion.

    First, this is taken straight from my post and pretty much shows that the bold part of your post is plain wrong.
    You all may think that the WNBA is wanted enough to not really question its addition. That is fine. We just see it differently.
    Again, it is perfectly fine if you all think this addition is great for the game, the league, gamers, etc. I simply question it coming from a number's standpoint. The numbers do not lie. You can argue all you want that this is great for the series. All I am saying is look at the numbers and then can you understand why I question this decision?

    I say it is fine if someone sees it differently and then I go on to say that I only question the decision because of what I see in the numbers. I never once presented that it was a fact that nobody wanted the WNBA in the game, I said the opposite.
    My whole view on this is pretty simple, if you think that there is enough demand for the addition then that is perfectly fine. I only disagree with you because when I look at the numbers I see a league that has a very very small following and is a lot less popular than other sports that have had games that were then cancelled due to poor sales(demand) like college baseball or even college basketball.
    In no way shape or form did I ever say that my opinion on the matter is fact, that my interpretation of the numbers is fact. All I said is that when I look at how unpopular the WNBA is I question the decision to add it to NBA 2k20 if it took a good amount of resources from other areas of the game. That's all I've said since my very first post on the topic. I haven't said that others are wrong for disagreeing, I haven't said my opinion is the only one anyone should ever have on the topic. I actually said it was okay if we disagreed and that I only ask that people look at the numbers and can at least see where I am coming from.
    The only people in here that are refusing to accept other's points of view are those that are in great support of this addition. I know I have no issues accepting that others are excited for this and think the demand is there. I even have it in writing multiple times above that I accept that others will disagree with me. All I ever said was this is my interpretation of the numbers and why I question the WNBA being included into the game. I never said these are the numbers and you must see it my way or you are wrong. Not once did I ever do that.
    canes21
    What I find odd is that when you venture into the madden forums you see people crying over and over about how many resources are pumped into MUT and not Franchise mode. Nobody bats an eye at those complaints. Yet, when someone like myself simply says I hope that this didn't take a substantial amount of resources from other areas of the game or else I really question the decision we get railed for having that opinion. I'm not going to sit here and see legacy issues or bugs and say, "Thanks WNBA" when I play 2k20, so people that keep making that argument can just stop. It's a silly argument to make. All we are saying is that IF this took a good effort to implement and took a lot of focus off of other areas that get more playtime then you wonder why they made the decision. Again, that is an IF. You, me, nobody here really knows if this took them 3 days to do and didn't change their plans with the rest of the game. We don't know if this was a huge task and we aren't going to get much more added to the game in terms of new features or polish because of it. None of us know that. Those of us questioning this addition are only saying that IF this is the latter situation then it is a questionable decision.

    There is plenty of rage over the hypothesis that MUT takes away from the entire game haha. It takes up entire threads, so I think users are more than batting eyes at that debate.
    But my central thought is, how do you measure what is being taken away from the game by adding WNBA without knowing the entire development system? Even after release? Is it the eye-test, or is it something you feel for if some part of the game is weaker from it? I feel like it is as equally likely that the WNBA is really sub-par in 2K20 because there weren't enough resources dedicated to it (which would be the worst of all outcomes, and I would definitely have problems with). Without intimate knowledge of the development team's allocation of resources, what is the determining factor? Is it so far away from feasibility that they were able to add the WNBA and make meaningful improvements to the game as a whole? 15 new staff members could have been hired to work on solely the WNBA, or not. All I'm saying is "how would we know, factually?" It just seems like fighting ghost issues.
    MajorSupreme
    There is plenty of rage over the hypothesis that MUT takes away from the entire game haha. It takes up entire threads, so I think users are more than batting eyes at that debate.
    But my central thought is, how do you measure what is being taken away from the game by adding WNBA without knowing the entire development system? Even after release? Is it the eye-test, or is it something you feel for if some part of the game is weaker from it? I feel like it is as equally likely that the WNBA is really sub-par in 2K20 because there weren't enough resources dedicated to it (which would be the worst of all outcomes, and I would definitely have problems with). Without intimate knowledge of the development team's allocation of resources, what is the determining factor? Is it so far away from feasibility that they were able to add the WNBA and make meaningful improvements to the game as a whole? 15 new staff members could have been hired to work on solely the WNBA, or not. All I'm saying is "how would we know, factually?" It just seems like fighting ghost issues.

    We don't know, that is why from the beginning I've simply been saying that IF this did take a lot of resources to add and results in the rest of the game not really being touched on too much that I question the decision. If this was something like you proposed where they hired 15 new people and they got it in without changing the development of the rest of the game then I have absolutely zero issues with the addition. If this was something that didn't really take a lot of work relatively speaking then I have zero issues with it.
    I've never claimed to know how 2k develops the game or how many resources that were put into WNBA's inclusion. All I've said is I only question this decision if it did take away a lot of resources from other areas of the game that are likely to be more popular like MyLeague or MyPark/MyPlayer, or even MyTeam.
    canes21
    We don't know, that is why from the beginning I've simply been saying that IF this did take a lot of resources to add and results in the rest of the game not really being touched on too much that I question the decision. If this was something like you proposed where they hired 15 new people and they got it in without changing the development of the rest of the game then I have absolutely zero issues with the addition. If this was something that didn't really take a lot of work relatively speaking then I have zero issues with it.
    I've never claimed to know how 2k develops the game or how many resources that were put into WNBA's inclusion. All I've said is I only question this decision if it did take away a lot of resources from other areas of the game that are likely to be more popular like MyLeague or MyPark/MyPlayer, or even MyTeam.

    I think that is a very valid concern, no argument there whatsoever. But it's really an "if 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts" situation because I don't think it is likely that anyone would ever know for sure. Don't think I am directing this at you because you have elaborated your points well, but through this thread, there has been a whole lot of "this is robbing the game!" with a lot certainty that can't be backed up.

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