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MLB The Show 20 Preview: Franchise Mode, Real Minor League Rosters and Road to the Show Twitch Stream Highlights

MLB The Show 20

MLB The Show 20 Preview: Franchise Mode, Real Minor League Rosters and Road to the Show Twitch Stream Highlights

It’s been years since franchise mode has received any major additions, and while the under-the-hood improvements may continue to be lacking, having full minor league rosters on day one is going to be huge, especially for those outside the Operation Sports ecosystem. In addition to a rebrand feature with some modicum of relocation to it, let’s get to all the highlights from the Road to the Show and franchise mode streams.

Franchise Mode Changes

Folks have been begging for a relocation system in MLB The Show for the entire PS4 generation, and it is finally here — kind of. New to MLB The Show 20, you will be able to customize anywhere between 1-30 teams in franchise mode, making the experience quite personalized. The new feature will mirror create-a-team aspects from Diamond Dynasty. These include custom logos, custom uniforms, custom team names and cities, as well as the ability to “relocate” your team to any one of the 60 stadiums already featured in the game. In other words, you will be able to import one team or create a whole fictionalized league — or even re-create an old year in MLB history, which could be somewhat similar to something some folks already do in Out of the Park Baseball.

There will also be 12 cities — they did not name them — that will also apply to the concept of relocation. There was no mention of any sort of generic stadium editor, stadium creator, or even a mention of new generic MLB stadiums in the game. These things were never promised, but obviously many folks were hoping to hear about them. You will be able to rebrand your team before the season begins or during the offseason. From there, you can also export and import your rebranded teams.

With that in mind, it also remains to be seen how much your custom team colors and logo will be baked into pre-existing ballparks.

When relocating a team, hundreds of audio cues have been incorporated to allow a feel of complete authenticity. Hit your organization’s first home run? Matt Vasgersian will highlight it. Win your first game as a new team? Expect the achievement to be honored and treated as such. There will even by unique commentary built into the game for the 12 specific cities that have pre-existing real-life storylines requiring dialogue.

Real Minor League Rosters

Real minor league rosters have been catching a lot of headlines over the past week as San Diego Studio has been teasing the new feature — it certainly was not a letdown.

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New this season, with the help of longtime OS’er Scott Spindler (RidinRosters) and his team, over 1,500 authentic minor league players will grace the launch version of MLB The Show 20. Over 100 of those prospects received face scans, as well as unique batting stances, pitching deliveries, and in some cases, impeccable equipment portrayals. These minor league players will come with their very own unique audio quips and cues to ensure storylines are felt as you promote your top prospects up the ladder.

It remains to be seen exactly how San Diego Studio received clearance to use these players’ likenesses, but from this chair, it would make sense they’re leaning on a pre-existing partnership between the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues (NAPBL), better known as Minor League Baseball and MLB Advanced Media. This allows the digital rights of all minor league players to be used by MLB, thus, creating an umbrella over to MLB’s partnership with Sony. However, we’re still awaiting final confirmation on this so we will update this piece accordingly when we hear more.

Minor league rosters have been an undertaking “10 years in the making,” according to Nick Livingston, a developer for San Diego Studio. The team at has been in contact with OS’ers Knight and now RidinRosters to help make the project a reality.

Elsewhere, MLB The Show 20 will incorporate all of the new rule changes being implemented in Major League Baseball this season. This includes:

  • 26-man rosters (28 after September 1)
  • 3-batter minimum for pitchers
  • Waiver trades have been removed
  • 10-day IL for position players and 15-day IL stints for pitchers
  • Two-way players

Two-way players is especially important as it all but guarantees the ability to pitch and hit with guys like Shohei Ohtani and Brendan McKay on a regular basis this season. That was extremely difficult to achieve in last year’s iteration. The organization limit is still capped at 90 players, so this means Single A will now have 12 slots rather than 15. There was no mentions about Single A players/rosters in general in the stream.

Of course, there was also no mention of things like roster logic, trade logic, rotating interleague schedules, player progression tweaks, bullpen management improvements and so on. Since these things were not mentioned in any capacity, we have to assume they mostly went untouched, which stings. Again, nothing was promised, but it would be nice to be able to expect things like this every year for franchise mode whether or not the mode is a focus. The developers could of course still have more details for us outside a rushed stream like this, but we would not bank on it at this juncture.

Diamond Dynasty

On the Diamond Dynasty side, a new series of cards highlighting top prospects will be available on day one. These cards will not be end-game cards (99 overalls), but they’ll certainly add a level of fun and excitement not seen previously. All 30 teams will be represented right out of the gates with new prospect cards in Diamond Dynasty.

This year’s game will include 25 new bat skins, 35 new audio chimes and 30 new bat slam home run celebrations.

Road To The Show

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About 90 percent of the Road to the Show improvements had already been posted in various videos and news leading up this stream, so that’s why we’re mostly leaving it out. You can see above all the brands now in The Show. In addition, one little tidbit is that you will be able to get equipment from some of the dynamic challenges. There looks like there’s quite a lot of good stuff here for RttS, just not much new stuff came from the stream itself.

Miscellaneous

Also, a couple new legends were introduced today. Washington State University great John Olerud, a first baseman, will be making his legend debut (also a Toronto Blue Jay, I suppose). The other new legend shown was Orioles stud second baseman Brian Roberts.

Next week, San Diego Studio will show off some of the best players at their respective positions, a players rankings show if you will. We’ll have full coverage, as usual.

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  1. I don't know how to type out the feeling I have after reading this.  Kind of like deja vu feeling. I will buy and play again because I enjoy playing the game, but continue to feel disappointed in Franchise mode additions.
    TheBleedingRed21
    And the tradition continues.

    ty5oke
    I don't know how to type out the feeling I have after reading this.* Kind of like deja vu feeling. I will buy and play again because I enjoy playing the game, but continue to feel disappointed in Franchise mode additions.

    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    Full Minors aren’t new. They’ve been in the game for quite some time. You just downloaded them before this year. What’s new?
    It’s rebranding, not relocation, just FYI. Anyways, as I said before, looks good, as rebranding. However, stadiums is 100% a letdown. Let’s change location and team name but be stuck with stadiums that will have MLB team branding, not cool. You have got to offer generic stadiums, no excuse. It will really kill the immersion of this feature.
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.
    When cpu logic and other legacy issues continue to ruin the experience, these 'Major' additions mean nothing.
    We've had full minors for a decade and relocation is very watered down to the point it's only beneficial for fictional rosters.
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    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    When there are so many things that need to be fixed or tweaked to make it at least somewhat close to the real life sport; replay system, a.i. logic, among many others, it just make these changes not as thrilling to me.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Full Minors aren’t new. They’ve been in the game for quite some time. You just downloaded them before this year. What’s new?
    It’s rebranding, not relocation, just FYI. Anyways, as I said before, looks good, as rebranding. However, stadiums is 100% a letdown. Let’s change location and team name but be stuck with stadiums that will have MLB team branding, not cool. You have got to offer generic stadiums, no excuse. It will really kill the immersion of this feature.
    Exactly. I’m happy for people that don’t care and can look past playing in another team’s irl stadium, especially with that team’s branding still on it, but for me and I’m sure many others as well that’s an immersion killer. I like The Show but I don’t understand how anyone can defend this. There’s no excuse. EA and 2K have had relocation/rebranding in their games for several years now, so it’s actually late arriving to the Show compared to the other sports games.
    They just don’t deserve a pass on this in my opinion. Yes they gave us a highly requested feature but they put in as little effort into it as they could. With how little attention franchise has gotten since DD came to the game, giving us the most basic quick low effort version of ‘relocation’ they could just isn’t enough.
    I think everyone can be mostly right here so far with their takes. If we look outside our bubble -- and even being in it -- having face scans, actual audio cues and signature style for these minor leaguers is dope as hell. I don't like waiting for my initial franchise because even though I know I'm going to reset, I want to get going. That's massive. Full stop. It's a major addition. Full stop. Even though we have gotten Full Minors before, this is a whole other level, and it impacts all the modes.
    However, if some cool *** stuff comes to March to October and we don't get it in Franchise Mode that sucks. Or if/when we don't get quality of life improvements to franchise mode that most games are still getting, then that also sucks.
    FIFA and NBA 2K and Madden all took a lot of crap for their franchise mode improvements or lack there of this year, but they did try to include some of them -- even if ultimately they stumbled in some regards. Those people all give their franchise mode a lot of flack as well, but you can quantify those complaints, and the complaints are more "hey, you tried to fix this but you executed it poorly or missed this bug." Ultimately, that's more aggravating to a lot of people, but the complaint comes from a different place than the ones here.
    With Show, it's hard to even complain for those who want to about the under-the-hood-stuff because it's just not changing so there's not new things to really even be mad at. You end up being mad at the same things, and thus you get some of the feelings being mentioned here. There's still a line you don't want to cross in terms of how much of a d!ck you are about it, but the indifference and just dejected nature some people feel is understandable.
    Still, rebranding and minor league rosters are going to open up some unique angles. The rebranding especially could be cooler, but it is something tangible and new. It is big even if it's already been elsewhere in the game. It's like if the RttS concepts got transferred to Franchise. I would not be mad about relationships being an option within in even though it was elsewhere. After all, people should be happy if things get shared with Franchise mode because then the mode isn't being forgotten and left out as the other modes advance. And if your feeling is these modes are getting forgotten because they don't make a dime after launch, you should be pushing that angle even more to make sure you still get cool ish.
    But yes, if the logic still is borked or you can't even get basic colors in your stadium to update with the theme of your team, there is a level of fantasy meeting reality that bangs against itself too hard at points. Being the Vancouver Phillies who either play at Citizens Bank still or one of the minor league or retro parks, is weird. It's dissonance on a level that is hard to look by.
    Anyway, you basically got a sneak peak at the general article I'll be writing about this, but yeah, that's where I'm at so far after reading most of the comments today and how they mesh with my own feelings on the topic.
    Is there any chance that some of the new trade logic, trade engine might be explained in March to October - since it's listed as an updated? It might be a decent mode now with full minors roster. That was the major issue with trying to play it last year.
    adamj2281
    Is there any chance that some of the new trade logic, trade engine might be explained in March to October - since it's listed as an updated? It might be a decent mode now with full minors roster. That was the major issue with trying to play it last year.

    I know you only made like one trade in March To October last year, right? (sorry been months since I played it) But did you even offer that trade or were the trades just offered to you? I feel like they were just offered to me but could be wrong.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Full Minors aren’t new. They’ve been in the game for quite some time. You just downloaded them before this year. What’s new?
    It’s rebranding, not relocation, just FYI. Anyways, as I said before, looks good, as rebranding. However, stadiums is 100% a letdown. Let’s change location and team name but be stuck with stadiums that will have MLB team branding, not cool. You have got to offer generic stadiums, no excuse. It will really kill the immersion of this feature.

    bravesfan1984
    When cpu logic and other legacy issues continue to ruin the experience, these 'Major' additions mean nothing.
    We've had full minors for a decade and relocation is very watered down to the point it's only beneficial for fictional rosters.
    Sent from my SM-G965U using Operation Sports mobile app

    S_pierce10
    When there are so many things that need to be fixed or tweaked to make it at least somewhat close to the real life sport; replay system, a.i. logic, among many others, it just make these changes not as thrilling to me.

    Rocket32
    Exactly. I’m happy for people that don’t care and can look past playing in another team’s irl stadium, especially with that team’s branding still on it, but for me and I’m sure many others as well that’s an immersion killer. I like The Show but I don’t understand how anyone can defend this. There’s no excuse. EA and 2K have had relocation/rebranding in their games for several years now, so it’s actually late arriving to the Show compared to the other sports games.
    They just don’t deserve a pass on this in my opinion. Yes they gave us a highly requested feature but they put in as little effort into it as they could. With how little attention franchise has gotten since DD came to the game, giving us the most basic quick low effort version of ‘relocation’ they could just isn’t enough.

    There are major additions and fixes needed to franchise mode. I never said there wasn't and still being on a 90-man roster limit is a disappointment. But that being said, I'm excited because I see this is only the beginning and a major step in the right direction of us finally getting the franchise mode we all want.
    As far as full minors goes, yes, we had full minors from the great guys here at OSFM, but they were limited because there was no player audio and things of that nature tied to them. We also had to wait for them to get finished and drop before we could use them. Now we get them straight from day 1 of the game release and we get audio and face scans tied to some of them. Meaning that the elite prospects have player specific story lines that will be tied into the franchise mode. That's huge IMO.
    We all want more from The Show but I'm not gonna dump on the team for finally putting in some version of relocation and rebranding that we've all wanted for years. It's a major step in the right direction and only the beginning. I don't claim to know anything about video game development and what all goes into it and what the Sony guys are dealing with so I'm not gonna sit here and claim they can do this or do that or should have fixed this or that. I applaud them for a major step in the right direction.
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    It’s great they finally put DD creation in Franchise should have been implanted in Franchise year one that it was added to the game ...But with that said glad they are in will be a day one buy.. The logic of the season modes ,Franchise and RTTS have been absutely horrendous on every year of the PS4 meening the computer or SDS simulator jus dosent simulate an actual baseball team and the transactions that they would actually do .. Trades,signings , call ups ,DFA not to mention the actual wins and losses.. My character in the RTTS by the time I make it to the parent team have traded away Franchise players top players for absurd returns not to mention the crazy game scores and statistics ..
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    Mercury112491
    Lol they added real minor league rosters and the ability to relocate and rebrand your team and that’s not a big addition to you guys?
    Lol ok
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    These statements are a bit disingenuous.
    Minor league rosters already existed for anyone who was aware of OS as well as anyone who randomly accessed the community rosters that were available in the games roster vault. It's nice to have those rosters officially integrated, but it isn't factual to suggest that this is some leap in the user experience.
    The franchise "relocation" does not seem very deep. It will be a nice feature for some, and I would even say a welcome addition for all. It seems rather superficial though.
    Are these steps in the right direction? Yes they are. Baby steps.
    We all want more from The Show but I'm not gonna dump on the team for finally putting in some version of relocation and rebranding that we've all wanted for years.

    No one is dumping on the team.. we are venting the truth. This mode continuously gets ignored (as does many other games franchise modes) and we just want the core to get some much needed love, there are so many small things that need fixed.
    And for the love of God, GIVE US ROTATING INTER-LEAGUE SCHEDULES. I seriously think this is the #1 request - even more than relocation was.
    KSUowls
    These statements are a bit disingenuous.
    Minor league rosters already existed for anyone who was aware of OS as well as anyone who randomly accessed the community rosters that were available in the games roster vault. It's nice to have those rosters officially integrated, but it isn't factual to suggest that this is some leap in the user experience.
    The franchise "relocation" does not seem very deep. It will be a nice feature for some, and I would even say a welcome addition for all. It seems rather superficial though.
    Are these steps in the right direction? Yes they are. Baby steps.

    SDS dosent get pass for adding DD creation to Franchise and the minor leaguers have always been available to download from the vault at some time or another so nothing new there..If they had added the say friendships that they added to RTTS now that would be new but franchisers all know they never add it there first 🤙
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    The full minors roster was as much to do with RTTS as it was for franchise. I'm all for shared assets and it's a smart way of doing things, but I'm also not going to say that it is "franchise addition" either.
    Now....if they actually tuned the AI, progression, and regression formulae to accommodate a Full Minors roster, then I'll give you that. But there was nothing mentioned during the stream that suggests that any of that was done. They aren't going to go into a deep dive into franchise in a stream like that, I 100% get that. But not even a mere mention like "our team did a lot of under the hood tuning which should greatly improve roster management to accommodate the new roster paradigm" or "we made a number of QoL changes that you should all enjoy")? I think for many of us, THAT is a bigger deal than the lack of new features. That said, maybe there are a lot of changes we don't know about (I'm not holding my breath).
    I can (and will continue to) greatly enjoy the mode as I derive my enjoyment from playing every game and seeing the little stories develop as the season goes on. But, I don't think it's untoward for people to be feeling a little salty.
    I think this is a good step in the right direction, but I also feel that franchise needs more. Re-branding needs to be expanded on with actual relocation, some kind of new stadium feature, and for me, most of all: an expansion draft. Perhaps they're waiting for the benefits of the next gen console?
    First off I want to say I genuinely do appreciate the effort and hard work put in by the SDS staff every year on this incredible game.
    With that said, this really feels like a "throw 'em a bone" approach regarding franchise. As most everyone on here knows, the franchise players (including myself) have been some of the most outspoken "complainers" the last many years with the perceived lack of attention put towards "our" mode.
    There are SO many little things that have not been touched that need major work, and this really feels like they just threw us something new and somewhat flashy so they can metaphorically say, "here", and shut us up.
    Yes, these are good and "cool" additions, but that stops short of the point we have been trying to make for what seems like an eternity.
    Yeah the complaints are not that the developers don't know how to make the franchise mode better. If those complaints are made, I think we're generally good at calling those members out as being in the wrong. The issue is the "rage" ends up feeling like it's being directed at developers when really it's more at the companies themselves or the priorities. So when they say "SDS doesn't get it" or whatever that just means whoever is calling the shots. And it's not that they might not "get it" it's just that it's simply not a priority.
    ChaseB
    Yeah the complaints are not that the developers don't know how to make the franchise mode better. If those complaints are made, I think we're generally good at calling those members out as being in the wrong. The issue is the "rage" ends up feeling like it's being directed at developers when really it's more at the companies themselves or the priorities. So when they say "SDS doesn't get it" or whatever that just means whoever is calling the shots. And it's not that they might not "get it" it's just that it's simply not a priority.

    I agree; as we all know, unfortunately Franchise mode is not a selling point anymore. SDS is accountable to Sony and they have targets to meet just like we do in our own jobs. The DD grinds and RTTS are the selling points. Franchise is probably allocated very few resources year in year out for that reason. The team working on Franchise improvements are probably just as frustrated as its player base that they don't have the resources to go under the hood and spend time adding depth to the additional content and fixing logic. The deeper a feature goes, the more time it requires to design, develop and test.
    For the record, I actually enjoy RTTS even more since the revamp and even though there are other improvements (such as movement based on performance) I'd like to see, I am looking forward to playing RTTS 20.*
    Very happy for the relocation crowd that they finally got what they wanted...at least to some extent.
    Personally for me relocating my team or any other team just robs my franchise of all authenticity and I never do it. I for one would've loved a full owner mode with ticket prices, maybe some upgrade to your stadium even if they weren't visual when playing etc. etc.
    Interaction with your players, make the league feel alive with newspapers etc. etc.
    Can we at least acknowledge that RTTS is looking like it could be one heck of an experience this time around?
    The P&R system has gotten a much-deserved fleshing out, they mentioned some specific presentation elements for RTTS, and they're making the user the star.  All of that sounds subtle, but this could end up being a whole that's greater than the sum of the parts.
    This wasn't "shut up and take my money," but my short list just got an addition.
    I've always enjoyed this aspect of ASB series, where I could go after each day and see who was hitting hr's in my franchise for that day. Always wanted that to be expanded in The Show (the radio effort/podcast effort doesn't do it for me. I wish I could flip though a few screens after each game and see the SP stats for the day, the HR's that were belted, the walk off hits, what teams are on a winning streak, etc... All the better if there were highlights to go with them (PipeDreams!!). I don't want to sift through 15 box scores to see what happened in my franchise. They are nice additions and happy for those who want them but personally don't care for rebranding or full minors because the immersion factor is the same. I feel like I'm playing 162 straight exhibition games with 1 team without knowing what else is going on in the MLB.
    LoadStar81
    Can we at least acknowledge that RTTS is looking like it could be one heck of an experience this time around?
    The P&R system has gotten a much-deserved fleshing out, they mentioned some specific presentation elements for RTTS, and they're making the user the star.* All of that sounds subtle, but this could end up being a whole that's greater than the sum of the parts.
    This wasn't "shut up and take my money," but my short list just got an addition.

    Yeah, I think it's just more we've gotten the RttS info all week so we sort of already knew about it and mostly felt good about it going into this stream. RttS is the most played feature by far, so it's always going to get some love I imagine.
    So with all that's been said, and I agree with a lot of it. I just want to point out that they must no longer be partners with Topps. Those aren't Topps cards. Kinda sucks, I liked collecting the Topps cards since I collect in real life. 
    TheBleedingRed21
    Full Minors aren’t new. They’ve been in the game for quite some time. You just downloaded them before this year. What’s new?
    It’s rebranding, not relocation, just FYI. Anyways, as I said before, looks good, as rebranding. However, stadiums is 100% a letdown. Let’s change location and team name but be stuck with stadiums that will have MLB team branding, not cool. You have got to offer generic stadiums, no excuse. It will really kill the immersion of this feature.

    That’s the truth, cutting and pasting the DD create-a-team feature has to be supported by at least a few generic major league ballparks. Otherwise it’s a minimal effort again.
    My biggest disappointment is that we'll again pretty much be playing the exact same mode from about 5 years ago, just with some new superficial stuff added on at the start. I'm not against superficial stuff, it's good and necessary, but the fact that the way you actually play through franchise mode, in pretty much every aspect of the day to day, hasn't significantly changed pretty much the entire PS4 era. Staleness has really taken over.
    I couldn't even tell you how excited I'd be if they just put a new progression/regression/training system in the game. Even if it was no better than the current one, it simply being different and me needing to try and figure out how to best use it would be so much more exciting than doing the exact same thing, every single year. Same foes for scouting, or contract negotiations, or pretty much most of the systems in the game.
    Is it realistic to say you can use the rebranding feature in franchise to create an A ball league with all minor league players if you wanted to ? You can customize the logos,uniforms,etc to duplicate lower level  leagues .That would be fun.Lots of importing an d exporting but those that want to play with A ball or lower players might like it.
    Honestly I really don't care about this team rebranding/relocation. If SDS isn't going to be fully invested into this area (create a stadium, or at least 3 stadiums that aren't minors, old stadiums) then what's the point. The Full minors roster is a nice touch for day one, but we've had that year after year. Any mention of the RTTS friendship traits working into franchise mode as well? I'd love to be able to have that pitcher who gets a boost when he has "his" catcher. Non roster invites? How about the development of players over a few years, by year 5 almost the entire starting lineup is guys who are 90 overall or higher. So frustrating. Unfortunately i think the die hard franchise crowd will never have the big fixes.
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS. 
    Sorry, the franchise crowd forgot we cannot be upset time is not spent on the mode. Thanks for the clarification man. Seriously, what’s the point in coming in here to post that? No one has been toxic. People are ticked off and should be.
    dsites52
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS.*

    I am trying to figure out how if at all this is a productive addition to this conversation. Okay, we get it. Your not a franchise guy. So maybe keep your biases in this thread directed towards RTTS (this is a shared thread with franchise btw).
    To say that we are a “tough crowd” is a ridiculous statement. We have been loyal and patient for five years, continuously buying this game year after year without nearly any improvements to franchise whatsoever. Yes we get Full Minors rosters. Yes we get a half baked “rebranding” feature that was already available via DD FOR YEARS now. But a lot of the legacy issues or broken features we have been asking to be fixed have gone untouched for well over five years now. And believe me we are not asking for a lot.
    I will still be buying day one. Full minors day one and the gameplay updates are enough to get me excited THIS YEAR at least. But to come in here (a thread where franchise mode is a highlight no less) and criticize the franchise players for wanting more from SDS and expecting it to come off as anything but disingenuous is Frankly comical.
    It always blows my mind how you DD guys like to chime in that this mode isn’t a “money making” mode, like we don’t already know that lol
    Edit: Telling is to be patient with a month to go shows your lack of knowledge on this subject. History tells us that if SDSs doesn’t hail improvements in their streams, their likely isn’t any. So Yeah, for the 6th year in row franchise will essentially be the same
    dsites52
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS.*

    I would imagine that they are losing sales to “franchise cats” each year when the mode is largely the same year after year, no? Also, they lose people who might dabble into those modes where they do generate extra revenue. There is a much bigger picture that you seem to missing, and one could argue, that they are as well.
    Fortunately for them, they are the only game on the market. Also, they will get a huge boost next year moving to new consoles. Franchise mode, will continue to be virtually the same mode as it has been for years.
    And it funny that you call people toxic when you enter a thread telling people to not be butthurt.
    dsites52
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS.*
    Translation: the dev team doesnt spend resources on the mode that you enjoy because other modes are more profitable, and if you complain about it then you are toxic.
    Makes sense
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    underdog13
    Feels like ever year they overpromise and under deliver
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    Perhaps, but do we just mean franchise mode? If so, what was in their previews/Twitch streams before this that makes you think they overpromised? I feel like it's more they delivered exactly what seemed to be out there in the lead up and just nothing beyond that.
    KSUowls
    Translation: the dev team doesnt spend resources on the mode that you enjoy because other modes are more profitable, and if you complain about it then you are toxic.
    Makes sense
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    Alright, the third person responding I think is a good place to call it on returning the toxicity back at the original instigator of perceived toxicity.
    ChaseB
    Perhaps, but do we just mean franchise mode? If so, what was in their previews/Twitch streams before this that makes you think they overpromised? I feel like it's more they delivered exactly what seemed to be out there in the lead up and just nothing beyond that.

    I agree with this. There really wasn’t a whole lot promised, but they delivered on the “leaks.”
    I was really hoping they mentioned adjusted season length to franchise. Ever since the season mode crowd became extinct its been tough to find a mode to land in. Hopefully the online league setup brings back a piece that has been missing. I am not expecting online franchise either and actually don’t want that setup because it was a job to figure out the work arounds just to make it operate.
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.

    It is to me. I waited for their twitch stream to confirm and pre-ordered today. Plus Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz for legends. This will probably be my last until I get a PS5 in the future.
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    AUTiger1
    There are major additions and fixes needed to franchise mode. I never said there wasn't and still being on a 90-man roster limit is a disappointment. But that being said, I'm excited because I see this is only the beginning and a major step in the right direction of us finally getting the franchise mode we all want.
    As far as full minors goes, yes, we had full minors from the great guys here at OSFM, but they were limited because there was no player audio and things of that nature tied to them. We also had to wait for them to get finished and drop before we could use them. Now we get them straight from day 1 of the game release and we get audio and face scans tied to some of them. Meaning that the elite prospects have player specific story lines that will be tied into the franchise mode. That's huge IMO.
    We all want more from The Show but I'm not gonna dump on the team for finally putting in some version of relocation and rebranding that we've all wanted for years. It's a major step in the right direction and only the beginning. I don't claim to know anything about video game development and what all goes into it and what the Sony guys are dealing with so I'm not gonna sit here and claim they can do this or do that or should have fixed this or that. I applaud them for a major step in the right direction.

    Plus we don’t have to wait until May to get them now. It was cool they had Ridin and knight work on the rosters
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    mn1170
    Plus we don’t have to wait until May to get them now. It was cool they had Ridin and knight work on the rosters
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    Ridin and team "helped" with the rosters. They had input but SCEA put final touches on the inaccuracies.
    ChaseB
    Alright, the third person responding I think is a good place to call it on returning the toxicity back at the original instigator of perceived toxicity.

    No. We want to boo this man!
    I kid I kid lol
    As far as minor leagues...I thought I saw on stream that you will be able to use Minor League teams in Franchise..I hope so..if anyone can confirm it’s appreciated..
    In the stream did they not say you had to go through one season before rebranding? then have to export the team? if so it will be a long workaround and really be annoying.
    Basically youd have to start a season control all the teams, have trades and injuries off, then rebrand and export a bunch of teams, THAN restart a franchise?
    am I wrong?
    if this is the case thats some lazy work/ bad prioritzing on SDS
    Endorphinrush3000
    In the stream did they not say you had to go through one season before rebranding? then have to export the team? if so it will be a long workaround and really be annoying.
    Basically youd have to start a season control all the teams, have trades and injuries off, then rebrand and export a bunch of teams, THAN restart a franchise?
    am I wrong?
    if this is the case thats some lazy work/ bad prioritzing on SDS

    Nah, you can also do it at the start. I think the offseason aspect is more in there for people who are importing franchises from prior versions of the game.
    I wonder if youre able to modify existing team logos. I doubt it but would be nice to change things.
    It would be cool to for example change the rockies from purple to green white and black without having to hunt down logos in the vault
    I think the comparison to OOTP was a huge stretch. In OOTP I can play any historic season, with actual rosters, in the actual ballparks. The way I read this with The Show you can do all but 3 of those. Also you can rebrand all 30 teams but you cannot have a league of say 16 teams, right?
    Eyeman79
    I think the comparison to OOTP was a huge stretch. In OOTP I can play any historic season, with actual rosters, in the actual ballparks. The way I read this with The Show you can do all but 3 of those. Also you can rebrand all 30 teams but you cannot have a league of say 16 teams, right?

    I mean something can be OOTP-like without being exactly as deep. The point is you can create some fictionalized leagues etc. if you want now. And yeah I think you'll still need 30 teams.
    AUTiger1
    You guys don't consider franchise relocation and full minor league rosters as major additions to franchise mode? Boy, tough crowd.
    I'm especially thrilled with the default roster having real minor leaguers. I dont go beyond one season but it bothered me in the past if the minors weren't the real deal, and I dislike delaying my franchise by even 1 day. I'm still a tough crowd, but this was the best news since carry-over saves became a reality. I also like the rebranding aspect but for me, it falls into the ''little things'' that make the Show great. Now my 1 remaining personal big item wish also falls into the little things: editable coach manager and umpire names. give me that and I'm taking an early retirement to play the Show 24-7.
    dsites52
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS.*

    A crowd that has tolerated one of the games most important modes being effectively unchanged every year for the last five could hardly be characterised as “tough”.
    RogerDodger
    A crowd that has tolerated one of the games most important modes being effectively unchanged every year for the last five could hardly be characterised as “tough”.
    ''neglected'' might be a more apt characterisation, which lead to the ''toughening''.
    RogerDodger
    A crowd that has tolerated one of the games most important modes being effectively unchanged every year for the last five could hardly be characterised as “tough”.

    I know, sometimes SDS deserves all ‘chise players boycott the game and be quiet on supporting the game here so they realize how this base is influencing lot of new gamers to join the party.
    But hey, I believe ‘chise players are the most passionate of all MLBTS gamers and we’ll buy it again as every year since MLB06 & run our franchise like crazy :-) Me the first.
    Curious to see if I rebrand a team and choose a stadium like the old twins dome..will it have my new logo everywhere in the stadium or still the twins logo? That could be a game changer
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    VinnyVegas28
    Curious to see if I rebrand a team and choose a stadium like the old twins dome..will it have my new logo everywhere in the stadium or still the twins logo? That could be a game changer
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    I highly doubt it. But who knows
    As someone who has been an outspoken critic of what Sony has(n't) done with Franchise mode and also with them removing things (Season mode, Online Franchise)--and especially with how they've been a bit disingenuous about removing things--I have to give them credit here. Including full minors rosters at the jump (although there will certainly be a litany of things that will need fixing that make people restart anyway) is a pretty big deal. And, from where I'm sitting, ANY meaningful additional customization in Franchise mode is also a big deal. I think it's cool that I can use my imagination a bit more with re-branding, because I'm always one that likes to make an expansion team in OOTP and I've also liked doing fantasy draft franchises in the past. The devil will be in the details though. With no new/generic stadiums to live in and with the jury being out on just how much originality (colors, signage, history, commentary) there will be sprinkled into a re-brand, there is a real danger that this could feel like more of a hollow shell than a great new feature.
    dsites52
    Woof. You franchise cats are a tough crowd. I would say some of you have a fandom verging on (and some cases going full) toxic. Firstly, none of you have your hands on the actual game yet, so no sense getting butthurt a month ahead of time. And I get being irked over small stuff. The Harrisburg Senators are my hometown team and while nearly every other team in the Eastern League have undergone updates, mostly through rebranding, The Sens stay largely unchanged. The problem is, you're asking them to sink time, money and resources into a mode that does not not yield perpetual returns, Unlike DD and RTTS.*

    Lol if it weren’t for franchise players buying this game all those years there would be no game plus RTTS is the most played mode in the game and they don’t make that much from that mode either so it doesn’t matter if the mode yields people buying extra stubs or whatever if you buy the game should be stuff added each year to every mode and Franchise mode hasn’t been touched much at all on the PS4 .. SDS has been very fortunate that MVP baseball went away and that no other competition has been around because they would have been left behind with way they have forgotten about what has kept them around as long as it has been ..
    I’m an RTTS guy, but at this point it’s pretty hard to ignore the fact franchise has been left out in the cold during the PS4 era. It seems there is interest in working on similar modes (March to October), so I’m confused why SDS hasn’t improved franchise.
    burjeffton
    I’m an RTTS guy, but at this point it’s pretty hard to ignore the fact franchise has been left out in the cold during the PS4 era. It seems there is interest in working on similar modes (March to October), so I’m confused why SDS hasn’t improved franchise.

    One factor to perhaps consider is how long do franchises last. The Show probably has better long-term numbers due to carryover saves, but I know for a fact in a lot of these sports games, it's just an insane number of people who never get past the first year in franchise -- and this goes back years and years with the data and analytics peeps have. If you know you're already making the mode for a small subset of your total community, and things are more data-driven now than ever, that also probably plays some part in this.
    If their data says peeps only make it one year, then March to October makes more sense etc. This isn't to justify it or not, or even get into a chicken/egg thing, I'm just saying what other factors could be beyond the "the mode doesn't make money post-launch" angle, considering RttS doesn't really either (but we know it's the most played mode by far).
    ChaseB
    One factor to perhaps consider is how long do franchises last. The Show probably has better long-term numbers due to carryover saves, but I know for a fact in a lot of these sports games, it's just an insane number of people who never get past the first year in franchise -- and this goes back years and years with the data and analytics peeps have. If you know you're already making the mode for a small subset of your total community, and things are more data-driven now than ever, that also probably plays some part in this.
    If their data says peeps only make it one year, then March to October makes more sense etc. This isn't to justify it or not, or even get into a chicken/egg thing, I'm just saying what other factors could be beyond the "the mode doesn't make money post-launch" angle, considering RttS doesn't really either (but we know it's the most played mode by far).
    I always get frustrated with this argument because I feel that if franchise mode had more to offer and was refined more, then the number of people playing it longer would rise. But when it hardly gets touched for years, and there are flaws, then they shouldn't expect people to play it multiple years...don't get me wrong, all games have flaws but the metrics would be stronger if the model was improved vastly. Just my 2 cents
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    Well March to October mode is useless to play from November to March in the off-season because you can't carry custom rosters, I would be more bored of that then franchise mode.
    VinnyVegas28
    I always get frustrated with this argument because I feel that if franchise mode had more to offer and was refined more, then the number of people playing it longer would rise. But when it hardly gets touched for years, and there are flaws, then they shouldn't expect people to play it multiple years...don't get me wrong, all games have flaws but the metrics would be stronger if the model was improved vastly. Just my 2 cents
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    I disagree. Someone else in a thread referred to franchise mode as "one of the most important modes in the game". I legitimately laughed out loud when I read it because of how off-base it is.
    Franchise mode is about patience. Franchise mode is about being engrossed in the game. Franchise mode is about "the experience" of creating your own universe.
    The masses of gamers today want to "get in, get out, get rewarded". They have very short attention spans and want that positive reinforcement, whether it be in-game currency, XP, or just progress in general. I think this is a huge reason why RTTS is so popular. They can finish off a game quickly and after every game, they get that positive reinforcement (as the player progresses). Heck....they even get little feedback indicators after every action. But they get to go right to the next game quickly...much like a game of Fortnite or Apex. Finish a franchise game (which takes maybe 5X longer) and there is no reward other than going to the next one. Progress is slow and takes patience. (my lord...guys complain about 6 inning games for events as being "too long"...that's the world we live in)
    For us franchise die-hards who want to play for the experience, it's great. But that paradigm just doesn't work for the masses who play to get that virtual pat on the back for every little thing they do. SDS could add in enhanced scouting, player development, stadium creation, fix all the bugs, do everything we want them to do. But none of those things change the paradigm...you're still playing JUST for the experience, and not a reward.
    What it comes down to...people are playing sports games to scratch a different itch..and Franchise doesn't scratch it any more...and nothing short of a complete paradigm shift that us "old guys" will loathe (cough...cough...March to October) will change that.
    JoshC1977
    I disagree. Someone else in a thread referred to franchise mode as "one of the most important modes in the game". I legitimately laughed out loud when I read it because of how off-base it is.
    Franchise mode is about patience. Franchise mode is about being engrossed in the game. Franchise mode is about "the experience" of creating your own universe.
    The masses of gamers today want to "get in, get out, get rewarded". They have very short attention spans and want that positive reinforcement, whether it be in-game currency, XP, or just progress in general. I think this is a huge reason why RTTS is so popular. They can finish off a game quickly and after every game, they get that positive reinforcement (as the player progresses). Heck....they even get little feedback indicators after every action. But they get to go right to the next game quickly...much like a game of Fortnite or Apex. Finish a franchise game (which takes maybe 5X longer) and there is no reward other than going to the next one. Progress is slow and takes patience. (my lord...guys complain about 6 inning games for events as being "too long"...that's the world we live in)
    For us franchise die-hards who want to play for the experience, it's great. But that paradigm just doesn't work for the masses who play to get that virtual pat on the back for every little thing they do. SDS could add in enhanced scouting, player development, stadium creation, fix all the bugs, do everything we want them to do. But none of those things change the paradigm...you're still playing JUST for the experience, and not a reward.
    What it comes down to...people are playing sports games to scratch a different itch..and Franchise doesn't scratch it any more...and nothing short of a complete paradigm shift that us "old guys" will loathe (cough...cough...March to October) will change that.

    This is pretty accurate. I'm ONLY interested in franchise modes of any sports game. Building a team from scratch and watching it grow over a series of "season" is the only thing that interests me. But we're definitely a dying breed.
    VinnyVegas28
    I always get frustrated with this argument because I feel that if franchise mode had more to offer and was refined more, then the number of people playing it longer would rise. But when it hardly gets touched for years, and there are flaws, then they shouldn't expect people to play it multiple years...don't get me wrong, all games have flaws but the metrics would be stronger if the model was improved vastly. Just my 2 cents
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    I understand the points you're raising, and I wasn't trying to justify any one position, rather just present it. I'm simply saying this goes back years for where franchise modes land in the "most played" area, and it takes in not just the recent stagnation. This is not a new trend, so I don't think it just ties into the recent lack of improvements. But, again, there is a chicken or the egg component to it to be sure, which is why I don't hard disagree with you either.
    My other point (more in your favor) is this is also why online franchise modes dropped out of favor in a bunch of games around the same time as well. If you're taking a mode that's already not played much, it drops even more with online franchise. Now, my point there is the same it would be for franchise mode proper in that the people who do get into those modes are some of your strongest supporters and champions for the game, which I think regardless of every sale counting for the same in the bank account, those people matter more because they are the ones who spread the message more. If you make them happy, the broader discussion around your game also improves and gets better.
    JoshC1977
    I disagree. Someone else in a thread referred to franchise mode as "one of the most important modes in the game". I legitimately laughed out loud when I read it because of how off-base it is.
    Franchise mode is about patience. Franchise mode is about being engrossed in the game. Franchise mode is about "the experience" of creating your own universe.
    The masses of gamers today want to "get in, get out, get rewarded". They have very short attention spans and want that positive reinforcement, whether it be in-game currency, XP, or just progress in general. I think this is a huge reason why RTTS is so popular. They can finish off a game quickly and after every game, they get that positive reinforcement (as the player progresses). Heck....they even get little feedback indicators after every action. But they get to go right to the next game quickly...much like a game of Fortnite or Apex. Finish a franchise game (which takes maybe 5X longer) and there is no reward other than going to the next one. Progress is slow and takes patience. (my lord...guys complain about 6 inning games for events as being "too long"...that's the world we live in)
    For us franchise die-hards who want to play for the experience, it's great. But that paradigm just doesn't work for the masses who play to get that virtual pat on the back for every little thing they do. SDS could add in enhanced scouting, player development, stadium creation, fix all the bugs, do everything we want them to do. But none of those things change the paradigm...you're still playing JUST for the experience, and not a reward.
    What it comes down to...people are playing sports games to scratch a different itch..and Franchise doesn't scratch it any more...and nothing short of a complete paradigm shift that us "old guys" will loathe (cough...cough...March to October) will change that.

    You nailed on it the head at one point. Its not that a large majority of people are playing franchise but how many people stop playing the game if you remove franchise. I see some people pining for extensive relocation and such but im sure Sony could satiate hardcore franchise players with something so simple as adding roster spots, fixing bullpen logic, fixing budgets, etc. Im not a video game developer but these seem like easy fixes or maybe just adding in sliders where ppl can control this and Sony wont have to worry too much about it.
    lemarflacco
    Its not that a large majority of people are playing franchise but how many people stop playing the game if you remove franchise.

    I don't think franchise is going away, I think a lot of sports game devs cut their teeth on franchise modes like we have and there is a nostalgia factor there. It just isn't a mainstream mode now. It's kinda like those limited release films that few people even heard of that wind up winning a ton of Oscars (vs the latest Action Film that is of "lesser quality" but makes the masses happy).
    lemarflacco
    I see some people pining for extensive relocation and such but im sure Sony could satiate hardcore franchise players with something so simple as adding roster spots, fixing bullpen logic, fixing budgets, etc. Im not a video game developer but these seem like easy fixes....

    Speaking for myself, I think a few simple things would satiate many of us. Here's the issue, we ALL have a "few simple things"...and the lists vary greatly.
    lemarflacco
    ....or maybe just adding in sliders where ppl can control this and Sony wont have to worry too much about it.

    OK...I HATE this idea because it's been tried and continues to fail miserably. NBA 2k did that with MyLeague. It was a bland and drab mode to begin with, but then they added a bunch of mode-specific sliders for stuff. Now, they barely touch the mode and franchise users get to "immerse themselves" in fixing 2k's mistakes and frankly, that's not the kind of immersion I am interested in. I get it, it sounds awesome in theory....but I want companies to continue to be culpable for all modes they put out.
    JoshC1977
    I disagree. Someone else in a thread referred to franchise mode as "one of the most important modes in the game". I legitimately laughed out loud when I read it because of how off-base it is.
    Franchise mode is about patience. Franchise mode is about being engrossed in the game. Franchise mode is about "the experience" of creating your own universe.
    The masses of gamers today want to "get in, get out, get rewarded". They have very short attention spans and want that positive reinforcement, whether it be in-game currency, XP, or just progress in general. I think this is a huge reason why RTTS is so popular. They can finish off a game quickly and after every game, they get that positive reinforcement (as the player progresses). Heck....they even get little feedback indicators after every action. But they get to go right to the next game quickly...much like a game of Fortnite or Apex. Finish a franchise game (which takes maybe 5X longer) and there is no reward other than going to the next one. Progress is slow and takes patience. (my lord...guys complain about 6 inning games for events as being "too long"...that's the world we live in)
    For us franchise die-hards who want to play for the experience, it's great. But that paradigm just doesn't work for the masses who play to get that virtual pat on the back for every little thing they do. SDS could add in enhanced scouting, player development, stadium creation, fix all the bugs, do everything we want them to do. But none of those things change the paradigm...you're still playing JUST for the experience, and not a reward.
    What it comes down to...people are playing sports games to scratch a different itch..and Franchise doesn't scratch it any more...and nothing short of a complete paradigm shift that us "old guys" will loathe (cough...cough...March to October) will change that.
    I see your point and It is a hard pill to swallow. I grew up playing franchise with all sports titles and to be honest, with everything going on in my life, I don't get through multiple seasons like I used to. Although I have seen a drop off of immersion and experience...for me, it comes down to the gameplay and presentation to keep me going. I would be curious to hear your opinion on what you want out of it moving forward.
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    ChaseB
    I understand the points you're raising, and I wasn't trying to justify any one position, rather just present it. I'm simply saying this goes back years for where franchise modes land in the "most played" area, and it takes in not just the recent stagnation. This is not a new trend, so I don't think it just ties into the recent lack of improvements. But, again, there is a chicken or the egg component to it to be sure, which is why I don't hard disagree with you either.
    My other point (more in your favor) is this is also why online franchise modes dropped out of favor in a bunch of games around the same time as well. If you're taking a mode that's already not played much, it drops even more with online franchise. Now, my point there is the same it would be for franchise mode proper in that the people who do get into those modes are some of your strongest supporters and champions for the game, which I think regardless of every sale counting for the same in the bank account, those people matter more because they are the ones who spread the message more. If you make them happy, the broader discussion around your game also improves and gets better.
    Hard to admit but the times are changing and us old franchise heads are a dying breed. Im happy that the devs still add to it even if changes are minimal as the gameplay is what keeps me going. I do appreciate the option is there but very hard to see season mode and online franchise no longer present. Many of us die hards got these sports games to the profits of today and hopefully that will never be forgotten even if the focus has shifted
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    VinnyVegas28
    I always get frustrated with this argument because I feel that if franchise mode had more to offer and was refined more, then the number of people playing it longer would rise. But when it hardly gets touched for years, and there are flaws, then they shouldn't expect people to play it multiple years...don't get me wrong, all games have flaws but the metrics would be stronger if the model was improved vastly. Just my 2 cents
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    Exactly, a better franchise mode with more options, flexibility and immersion has more people playing it for longer.
    ChaseB
    I understand the points you're raising, and I wasn't trying to justify any one position, rather just present it. I'm simply saying this goes back years for where franchise modes land in the "most played" area, and it takes in not just the recent stagnation. This is not a new trend, so I don't think it just ties into the recent lack of improvements. But, again, there is a chicken or the egg component to it to be sure, which is why I don't hard disagree with you either.
    My other point (more in your favor) is this is also why online franchise modes dropped out of favor in a bunch of games around the same time as well. If you're taking a mode that's already not played much, it drops even more with online franchise. Now, my point there is the same it would be for franchise mode proper in that the people who do get into those modes are some of your strongest supporters and champions for the game, which I think regardless of every sale counting for the same in the bank account, those people matter more because they are the ones who spread the message more. If you make them happy, the broader discussion around your game also improves and gets better.

    And these folks have historically been the ones that provide huge added value/content after release by working on rosters, sliders, and creating players. By not interesting these types of gamers, the out-of-the-box game has to stand on its own merits a bit more. This title would definitely not have been all it has been were it not for OSFM and so forth in past iterations.
    Every year, I get a little bit baffled at the hardcore fans of franchise in this game.
    It seems like everyone wants the depth of Out of The Park Baseball but instead of playing that game they opt instead for MLB The Show and the only two reasons that I can come up with are
  2. Prettier graphic and better presentation
  3. The ability to control players (which in my opinion screws with natural progression).

    I don't really play any other console sports games so I am not sure if any of them have the in depth franchise modes of more stat driven text based games.
  4. Dolenz
    Every year, I get a little bit baffled at the hardcore fans of franchise in this game.
    It seems like everyone wants the depth of Out of The Park Baseball but instead of playing that game they opt instead for MLB The Show and the only two reasons that I can come up with are
  5. Prettier graphic and better presentation
  6. The ability to control players (which in my opinion screws with natural progression).

    I don't really play any other console sports games so I am not sure if any of them have the in depth franchise modes of more stat driven text based games.

  7. The ability to actually play the game isn't really some minor reason though is it? It's a pretty massive difference and makes OOTP and MLBTS pretty much different genres of games. (that's coming from someone who has been playing Championship manager since 1998)
    I don't think anyone realistically expects OOTP levels of depth to franchise, they merely expect significantly more depth than it had 10 years ago, which isn't a huge or unreasonable ask.
    Dolenz
    Every year, I get a little bit baffled at the hardcore fans of franchise in this game.
    It seems like everyone wants the depth of Out of The Park Baseball but instead of playing that game they opt instead for MLB The Show and the only two reasons that I can come up with are
  8. Prettier graphic and better presentation
  9. The ability to control players (which in my opinion screws with natural progression).

    I don't really play any other console sports games so I am not sure if any of them have the in depth franchise modes of more stat driven text based games.
  10. I'll take 2004's All-star baseball depth...
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    VinnyVegas28
    I see your point and It is a hard pill to swallow. I grew up playing franchise with all sports titles and to be honest, with everything going on in my life, I don't get through multiple seasons like I used to. Although I have seen a drop off of immersion and experience...for me, it comes down to the gameplay and presentation to keep me going. I would be curious to hear your opinion on what you want out of it moving forward.

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    First of all, I actually like MLB 19's franchise mode overall; when using SDS rosters, it's very challenging, has few bugs, and is robust.
    That said, what do I want moving forward? I want improved scouting, I want overhauled progression, I'd love to see a lot of the relationship stuff from RTTS tied into Morale (for user and CPU controlled teams). I'd love to see a full expansion/retraction module with customizable divisions and a slew of generic stadiums that can be customized. (This is the "I acknowledge it's not likely to happen" list)
    On a simple level, I want the roster to just have the correct minor league options available for each player. I want roster logic adjusted to compensate for this new full minors roster. I want to see more storylines discussed in-game (trade rumors, players unhappy, injuries, guys coming off IL) that is tied into the actual franchise data. I want some QoL fixes to make things a bit easier. (This is the "I'd be thrilled if you just did this stuff" list)
    Here's the thing....even if they added ALL of this stuff (even my "not likely to happen" list), I honestly don't think it would move the needle for mode popularity. Franchise would still continue to be a 'backwater' mode in the game.
    The only way to get more people to play franchise mode would be to a) remove complexity, b) make development based strictly on user actions (like RTTS - just for every player), and c) make it take 1/100 of the time to complete a season, and d) stub-based rewards based on how you finish the season relative to your roster (which can be used for franchise upgrades and cosmetics). I can hear all of you diehards grimacing as you read this - I don't love it either. But, that's why SDS didn't tear down franchise mode but rather created MtO.
    I want to play every pitch for 162 games using a complete clean screen. I want ratings to dominate outcomes. I want to see flawed players be present (and useful in limited roles) like in real life. I want stories to develop organically based on what happens in the game.
    ...and I've accepted fully that I am in the minority. It IS a tough pill to swallow at first, but I'm much happier because of it. Doesn't mean I don't want more, it just means that my expectations are tempered.
    Personally, I’m only interested in playing through the current season. I use franchise mode almost like season mode but I’m just not that interested in player progression and drafts, etc. I just want to set it up and play it through and see how far I can get my team. But I want the ability to control all the levels so March to October doesn’t quite cut it for me.
    JoshC1977
    First of all, I actually like MLB 19's franchise mode overall; when using SDS rosters, it's very challenging, has few bugs, and is robust.
    That said, what do I want moving forward? I want improved scouting, I want overhauled progression, I'd love to see a lot of the relationship stuff from RTTS tied into Morale (for user and CPU controlled teams). I'd love to see a full expansion/retraction module with customizable divisions and a slew of generic stadiums that can be customized. (This is the "I acknowledge it's not likely to happen" list)
    On a simple level, I want the roster to just have the correct minor league options available for each player. I want roster logic adjusted to compensate for this new full minors roster. I want to see more storylines discussed in-game (trade rumors, players unhappy, injuries, guys coming off IL) that is tied into the actual franchise data. I want some QoL fixes to make things a bit easier. (This is the "I'd be thrilled if you just did this stuff" list)
    Here's the thing....even if they added ALL of this stuff (even my "not likely to happen" list), I honestly don't think it would move the needle for mode popularity. Franchise would still continue to be a 'backwater' mode in the game.
    The only way to get more people to play franchise mode would be to a) remove complexity, b) make development based strictly on user actions (like RTTS - just for every player), and c) make it take 1/100 of the time to complete a season, and d) stub-based rewards based on how you finish the season relative to your roster (which can be used for franchise upgrades and cosmetics). I can hear all of you diehards grimacing as you read this - I don't love it either. But, that's why SDS didn't tear down franchise mode but rather created MtO.
    I want to play every pitch for 162 games using a complete clean screen. I want ratings to dominate outcomes. I want to see flawed players be present (and useful in limited roles) like in real life. I want stories to develop organically based on what happens in the game.
    ...and I've accepted fully that I am in the minority. It IS a tough pill to swallow at first, but I'm much happier because of it. Doesn't mean I don't want more, it just means that my expectations are tempered.

    But die hard franchise fans are not asking for the wheel to be reinvented. Like every team in the game carries a 12 man bullpen (which is gonna be a disaster if its not fixed with 26 man rosters) while every mlb team runs with a 13 man bullpen. And even if you manually control the teams and make them have a 13 man bullpen, they basically wont use one of the players.
    lemarflacco
    But die hard franchise fans are not asking for the wheel to be reinvented. Like every team in the game carries a 12 man bullpen (which is gonna be a disaster if its not fixed with 26 man rosters) while every mlb team runs with a 13 man bullpen. And even if you manually control the teams and make them have a 13 man bullpen, they basically wont use one of the players.

    I'm not talking about 'franchise guys'....what I'm talking about is in response to a statement that if "they improve franchise mode, more people would play". I disagree with that statement because, IMO, the types of changes they would have to make to draw the masses away from RTTS/DD and into franchise would be massive (and antithetical to what us 'franchise guys' really want).
    BTW...love the hyperbole!!
    Dolenz
    Every year, I get a little bit baffled at the hardcore fans of franchise in this game.
    It seems like everyone wants the depth of Out of The Park Baseball but instead of playing that game they opt instead for MLB The Show and the only two reasons that I can come up with are
  11. Prettier graphic and better presentation
  12. The ability to control players (which in my opinion screws with natural progression).

    I don't really play any other console sports games so I am not sure if any of them have the in depth franchise modes of more stat driven text based games.

  13. I honestly thought your post was trying to be satirical at first. I actually had to go back and read it again to make sure you weren’t trying to be funny.
    Being able to play actual games is a huge difference and not the “minor” difference you seem to indicate it is. What OOTP does is second to none, but without the ability to actually play games your basically staring at words on a screen.
    What you DD guys don’t seem to understand is most of us franchise guys are not asking for OOTP level of immersion. Most of us franchise guys are older and don’t have the time we used to invest in this game. All we are really asking for are simple quality of life changes like a scouting system that actually makes sense and works. Right now the draft is a crap shoot, where 90% of the scouting reports aren’t even accurate. The ability for the AI to make smart roster decisions. Too many small market teams sign big name free agents That they would never be able to convince to come to town. The ability to have some kind of control over profits and losses. Right now there is no difference between running a team like the A’s as opposed to the yankees. The player morale. Quite frankly it’s broken. Players have no personality.
    Sure. There are a lot of people championing for relocation/stadium creator, but 80% of franchise fans would stop “complaining” with simple quality of life changes. I think the thing that bugs me about you DD guys is you feel just because the mode is important to you, it shouldn’t be important to anyone else. This game means different things to different people yet every year like clockwork you guys jump into franchise discussions to give us to your two cents
    Therebelyell626
    I honestly thought your post was trying to be satirical at first. I actually had to go back and read it again to make sure you weren’t trying to be funny.
    Being able to play actual games is a huge difference and not the “minor” difference you seem to indicate it is. What OOTP does is second to none, but without the ability to actually play games your basically staring at words on a screen.
    What you DD guys don’t seem to understand is most of us franchise guys are not asking for OOTP level of immersion. Most of us franchise guys are older and don’t have the time we used to invest in this game. All we are really asking for are simple quality of life changes like a scouting system that actually makes sense and works. Right now the draft is a crap shoot, where 90% of the scouting reports aren’t even accurate. The ability for the AI to make smart roster decisions. Too many small market teams sign big name free agents That they would never be able to convince to come to town. The ability to have some kind of control over profits and losses. Right now there is no difference between running a team like the A’s as opposed to the yankees. The player morale. Quite frankly it’s broken. Players have no personality.
    Sure. There are a lot of people championing for relocation/stadium creator, but 80% of franchise fans would stop “complaining” with simple quality of life changes. I think the thing that bugs me about you DD guys is you feel just because the mode is important to you, it shouldn’t be important to anyone else. This game means different things to different people yet every year like clockwork you guys jump into franchise discussions to give us to your two cents

    Very well said.
    Have we got a definitive answer that if you rebrand your team all the default uniforms go away? I'm assuming this to be the case but if it not then that feature just got a ton more interesting for me on my carryover franchise. Basically I was thinking about just keeping my Cubs as is name wise and stadium wise but use these uniform slots as a way to add some alternate uniforms. Hell, I may just run with different uniforms regardless and just keep them branded as the Cubs. Stripe less home white and maybe a baby blue roadie:y11:
    Therebelyell626
    I think the thing that bugs me about you DD guys is you feel just because the mode is important to you, it shouldn’t (sic) be important to anyone else. This game means different things to different people yet every year like clockwork you guys jump into franchise discussions to give us to your two cents

    But Franchise guys NEVER ever do that in DD threads, now do you?
    ...just sayin'.... :)
    JoshC1977
    But Franchise guys NEVER ever do that in DD threads, now do you?
    ...just sayin'.... :)

    They do. Fair enough lol. We are a jealous crowd. We don’t like seeing our ex doing all of the things with her new boyfriend that we wish she would have done with us 🤣🤣🤣
    JoshC1977
    But Franchise guys NEVER ever do that in DD threads, now do you?
    ...just sayin'.... :)

    Not me I stay out of those threads they don't interest me so I whinge and complain about DD in franchise threads, no point starting fire in someone else's yard. only do it in your own with your friends, that is the way I see it.
    what is most irritating is when people say if you don't like it don't play it or buy the digital cards it doesn't effect you... well it does because all the $$$$ is going to that mode BECAUSE people are doing that other modes like franchise are becoming secondary.
    having said all that this year my complaining isn't as much as the last 2 years because I think full minors is huge and the re branding is a nice start that I hope continues into the PS5 era.
    hopefully Sony finds a way to evenly distribute dev time to all the major modes (DD, Franchise, RTTS) AND make a fast buck doing it. I hate thinking how much I enjoy Franchise and Sony not being able to capitalise on that, keeps me awake at night worrying so much I cant sleep lol
    Therebelyell626
    I honestly thought your post was trying to be satirical at first. I actually had to go back and read it again to make sure you weren’t trying to be funny.
    Being able to play actual games is a huge difference and not the “minor” difference you seem to indicate it is. What OOTP does is second to none, but without the ability to actually play games your basically staring at words on a screen.
    What you DD guys don’t seem to understand is most of us franchise guys are not asking for OOTP level of immersion. Most of us franchise guys are older and don’t have the time we used to invest in this game. All we are really asking for are simple quality of life changes like a scouting system that actually makes sense and works. Right now the draft is a crap shoot, where 90% of the scouting reports aren’t even accurate. The ability for the AI to make smart roster decisions. Too many small market teams sign big name free agents That they would never be able to convince to come to town. The ability to have some kind of control over profits and losses. Right now there is no difference between running a team like the A’s as opposed to the yankees. The player morale. Quite frankly it’s broken. Players have no personality.
    Sure. There are a lot of people championing for relocation/stadium creator, but 80% of franchise fans would stop “complaining” with simple quality of life changes. I think the thing that bugs me about you DD guys is you feel just because the mode is important to you, it shouldn’t be important to anyone else. This game means different things to different people yet every year like clockwork you guys jump into franchise discussions to give us to your two cents

    Did he say he was a DD guy?
    ChaseB
    Did he say he was a DD guy?

    He goes in Franchise threads every year since ‘18, and advocates for DD. Then talks about how franchise players like to complain, and how he’s “baffled” we want more out of the mode when it brings in no money. I don’t have any problem with him personally but he does it every year. Check his history if you want.
    Caulfield
    hopefully Sony finds a way to evenly distribute dev time to all the major modes (DD, Franchise, RTTS) AND make a fast buck doing it. I hate thinking how much I enjoy Franchise and Sony not being able to capitalise on that, keeps me awake at night worrying so much I cant sleep lol

    Unless players return to Franchise mode en masse the only way they’ll distribute resources evenly is if the features being added or fixes being made are common to all modes. This is what needs to happen going forward - DD and card collecting should no longer be a seperate thing to the rest of the game. Yes there obviously needs to be distinct gameplay modes but everything needs to be integrated.
    Otherwise the player base will continue to be an ‘us and them’, casuals will migrate towards DD (because that’s what gets the promotion all through the year) and as a result Franchise, M2O, H2H and even RTTS (despite its current popularity) will end up with a combined total of 10% of the total budget.
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    Red_Ted_is_back
    Unless players return to Franchise mode en masse the only way they’ll distribute resources evenly is if the features being added or fixes being made are common to all modes. This is what needs to happen going forward - DD and card collecting should no longer be a seperate thing to the rest of the game. Yes there obviously needs to be distinct gameplay modes but everything needs to be integrated.
    Otherwise the player base will continue to be an ‘us and them’, casuals will migrate towards DD (because that’s what gets the promotion all through the year) and as a result Franchise, M2O, H2H and even RTTS (despite its current popularity) will end up with a combined total of 10% of the total budget.
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    The only thing that doesnt add up to me is like how much of a "budget" is used to fix some simple legacy franchise issues? And what were all these upgrades to DD that accounted for the other ?75%? of the budget? lol
    lemarflacco
    The only thing that doesnt add up to me is like how much of a "budget" is used to fix some simple legacy franchise issues? And what were all these upgrades to DD that accounted for the other ?75%? of the budget? lol

    how could you really update DD anyway?? all it is is monetized digital cards which are worthless in 7 months time. It actually is a bit ironic that we all complain about franchise mode not getting updated (I won't this year it's better then last 2 years) but DD is the most lazy mode that could run for 10 years and no changes at all but would still make them $$$$. a lot of consumers out there with more money then brains.
    it's something that's killing sports games but people keep buying the crap. I wish governments would step in and ban these modes like Ultimate Team and DD
    ninertravel
    how could you really update DD anyway?? all it is is monetized digital cards which are worthless in 7 months time.

    VALUE is an individual perception and we all value things differently.

    • Why would you spend 40 or 50 bucks to go to a movie that will be over in 90 minutes?
    • Why spend hundreds of dollars for a meal at a fancy restaurant when you can make food at home that meets all the same biological needs.
    • Why do people spend money on alcohol? It offers virtually no nutritional value and its effects are gone within hours.
    • Why play franchise mode? It's just another monetized mode but in this case, its one where you are playing with virtual players that are completely worthless from the very beginning and never have any value.

    The answer is the same for all of these things and its the same for those who play DD...it's for the experience...and the price tag varies from person to person as to what that experience means to them.
    ncbravesfan
    Personally, I’m only interested in playing through the current season. I use franchise mode almost like season mode but I’m just not that interested in player progression and drafts, etc. I just want to set it up and play it through and see how far I can get my team. But I want the ability to control all the levels so March to October doesn’t quite cut it for me.

    On that basis, I’m quite surprised that there isn’t an option to start a franchise from the current day during the season, whatever day that might be. Other sports games have this feature and it sounds like it would be a popular one.
    RogerDodger
    On that basis, I’m quite surprised that there isn’t an option to start a franchise from the current day during the season, whatever day that might be. Other sports games have this feature and it sounds like it would be a popular one.

    I just want an option to pull all of the real world results into my franchise and just play my own games. So any real transactions are handled and I could play my game on my time and watch real games and cheer for results that impact my standings.
    Give me the option to manage my own roster during game days. Players can get injuries during games but all long term injuries are based on real life. Standings and stats would be close to real life, only impacted by my games and off by the differences in my results.
    That’s what I want. Cause that’s essentially what I try to do each year with doing real life transactions for every team as the season progresses.
    Pre-ordered today. After trading in a few games to Best Buy and a 5 dollar reward certificate, I’m in at half price.
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    bigwill33
    I just want an option to pull all of the real world results into my franchise and just play my own games. So any real transactions are handled and I could play my game on my time and watch real games and cheer for results that impact my standings.
    Give me the option to manage my own roster during game days. Players can get injuries during games but all long term injuries are based on real life. Standings and stats would be close to real life, only impacted by my games and off by the differences in my results.
    That’s what I want. Cause that’s essentially what I try to do each year with doing real life transactions for every team as the season progresses.

    The injuries won't work though there is a injury limit for the DL in the game, I remember last year I tried to manually do this with the yankees about put almost their whole roster on the DL couldn't even get half on there.
    This is why we don't see enough injuries in the game.
    JoshC1977
    VALUE is an individual perception and we all value things differently.

    • Why would you spend 40 or 50 bucks to go to a movie that will be over in 90 minutes?
    • Why spend hundreds of dollars for a meal at a fancy restaurant when you can make food at home that meets all the same biological needs.
    • Why do people spend money on alcohol? It offers virtually no nutritional value and its effects are gone within hours.
    • Why play franchise mode? It's just another monetized mode but in this case, its one where you are playing with virtual players that are completely worthless from the very beginning and never have any value.

    The answer is the same for all of these things and its the same for those who play DD...it's for the experience...and the price tag varies from person to person as to what that experience means to them.

    yeah but people that drink alcohol or have a meal at a fancy restaurant doesn't effect me at all or what I pay for.
    DD effects franchise mode because it takes away from the attention because it MAKES MONEY
    if I want to have soft drink instead of Alcohol I can because a restaurant would have to cater for everything.
    Yeah we can all play the apples vs oranges game. moving along now
    ninertravel
    yeah but people that drink alcohol or have a meal at a fancy restaurant doesn't effect me at all or what I pay for.
    cant speak for down under but in capitalist America it does: its all about the supply & demand that affects everything, even if indirectly, it still impacts. carry on with all things baseball talk :lol:
    Caulfield
    cant speak for down under but in capitalist America it does: its all about the supply & demand that affects everything, even if indirectly, it still impacts. carry on with all things baseball talk :lol:

    Yeah I know you can’t drink
    Till 21 legally in the US but can get a gun easy at age 18, it’s good down here that we hadn’t had a mass, shooting in 23 years ago thought gun laws would work?
    Baseball ? Oh yeah that’s Right. I knew I’d pay for the DD comment, guess I’m getting old but I miss sports games when it was about the sport not fantasy teams digital cards designed like a mmo.
    ninertravel
    The injuries won't work though there is a injury limit for the DL in the game, I remember last year I tried to manually do this with the yankees about put almost their whole roster on the DL couldn't even get half on there.
    This is why we don't see enough injuries in the game.

    I had to get creative and make use of A ball and minor leagues to work around that. It’s not ideal and it’s tedious, but I do this every season.
    ninertravel
    The injuries won't work though there is a injury limit for the DL in the game, I remember last year I tried to manually do this with the yankees about put almost their whole roster on the DL couldn't even get half on there.
    This is why we don't see enough injuries in the game.
    Well its looking alot like the yankees will need all those spots again this season as they are already 3 SP down its looking like.. paxton, severino and german (suspended). Speaking of injuries im guessing it will be the exact same system again as the previous several years? no changes at all as far as new injuries being added or lengths of times for the ones there already adjusted or anything like that?
    tytyboogie
    Well its looking alot like the yankees will need all those spots again this season as they are already 3 SP down its looking like.. paxton, severino and german (suspended). Speaking of injuries im guessing it will be the exact same system again as the previous several years? no changes at all as far as new injuries being added or lengths of times for the ones there already adjusted or anything like that?

    and Judge has shoulder issues.
    Yes the injury types are not much stupid things like broken fingernail or broken nose.
    I would like to see rehab options from injuries depending how serious it is that be great
    ninertravel
    Yeah I know you can’t drink
    Till 21 legally in the US but can get a gun easy at age 18, it’s good down here that we hadn’t had a mass, shooting in 23 years ago thought gun laws would work?
    Baseball ? Oh yeah that’s Right. I knew I’d pay for the DD comment, guess I’m getting old but I miss sports games when it was about the sport not fantasy teams digital cards designed like a mmo.
    The politics comment has no business here and strays from the original analogy that you were trying to make.
    On topic: I dont agree with the notion that giving franchise more attention would not see more users for it. I could give numerous anecdotal examples of casual baseball fans who ask me every year if franchise has been given attention to be worth buying. Those may be nothing more than isolated examples, but I tend to think that they arent. Logically, in the era before DD and micro transactions in sports video games, franchise additions did bring in new users as well as maintain old ones. So, why would we think that has changed?
    If we are only talking about what is best for the financial house of SDS though then yeah, any mode that offers a continuous revenue stream. Is going to win out.
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    Shouldn't we be taking into account the game crossing over to Microsoft and next Gen consoles dropping in the fall when critiquing effort of into improvements made?
    I know their track record doesnt lead to a great belief of these reasons being legit, but one would have to think this is consuming a great majority of their resources and they'd want to make a big splash in next gen and on Microsoft consoles.
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    bigwill33
    I just want an option to pull all of the real world results into my franchise and just play my own games. So any real transactions are handled and I could play my game on my time and watch real games and cheer for results that impact my standings.
    Give me the option to manage my own roster during game days. Players can get injuries during games but all long term injuries are based on real life. Standings and stats would be close to real life, only impacted by my games and off by the differences in my results.
    That’s what I want. Cause that’s essentially what I try to do each year with doing real life transactions for every team as the season progresses.

    Same, man. Same! I hadn’t played 2k in years and just started again this year and being able to start today w stats is a godsend. I do the same thing on the Show. Spend insane hours trying to get stats etc to line up.
    KSUowls
    The politics comment has no business here and strays from the original analogy that you were trying to make.
    On topic: I dont agree with the notion that giving franchise more attention would not see more users for it. I could give numerous anecdotal examples of casual baseball fans who ask me every year if franchise has been given attention to be worth buying. Those may be nothing more than isolated examples, but I tend to think that they arent. Logically, in the era before DD and micro transactions in sports video games, franchise additions did bring in new users as well as maintain old ones. So, why would we think that has changed?
    If we are only talking about what is best for the financial house of SDS though then yeah, any mode that offers a continuous revenue stream. Is going to win out.
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    I don't think it would make a difference. look at modes like ultimate team. they could release the same mode for 10 years with minimal changes. and it would still make all the $$$$ all that modes goes into the marketing of the game it's all you hear about and people go along with it and eat it alive year after year.
    One thing I'm hoping for as a franchise player is the ability to finally create true utility players. Guys that can play all infield and outfield positions, and some that can play all 8 "fielding" positions.
    It's frustrating that I cannot have Tommy Edman (he's a CAP in my carryover) be able to play 2B, SS, 3B, and OF like he has in real life.
    Please please please SDS, open up the secondary positions to include something allow us a better ability to create guys that can play the infield/outfield.
    countryboy
    One thing I'm hoping for as a franchise player is the ability to finally create true utility players. Guys that can play all infield and outfield positions, and some that can play all 8 "fielding" positions.
    It's frustrating that I cannot have Tommy Edman (he's a CAP in my carryover) be able to play 2B, SS, 3B, and OF like he has in real life.
    Please please please SDS, open up the secondary positions to include something allow us a better ability to create guys that can play the infield/outfield.

    On that note, isn't it odd when you have a guy that can play CF, but his secondary positions don't include the other OF spots? Like, CF and a couple INF positions. Something tells me he could also play LF and RF......
    jcar0725
    On that note, isn't it odd when you have a guy that can play CF, but his secondary positions don't include the other OF spots? Like, CF and a couple INF positions. Something tells me he could also play LF and RF......
    IMO every CF'er should be able to play LF w/no penalty. as for RF, they should have no fielding penalty here either. the only thing that should make you hesitate putting a CF'er in RF is if there's a runner on base and he has a weak arm strength rating.
    Caulfield
    IMO every CF'er should be able to play LF w/no penalty. as for RF, they should have no fielding penalty here either. the only thing that should make you hesitate putting a CF'er in RF is if there's a runner on base and he has a weak arm strength rating.

    Agree 100%.
    countryboy
    One thing I'm hoping for as a franchise player is the ability to finally create true utility players. Guys that can play all infield and outfield positions, and some that can play all 8 "fielding" positions.
    It's frustrating that I cannot have Tommy Edman (he's a CAP in my carryover) be able to play 2B, SS, 3B, and OF like he has in real life.
    Please please please SDS, open up the secondary positions to include something allow us a better ability to create guys that can play the infield/outfield.

    Yep considering this is becoming more then a thing now, the Ben zobrist type players. and if you have a player like that, if you accidentally screw up and change the primary position you can't unfix it the only fix I have is to make someone a RF or LF and secondary INF so it covers all INF but only 1 outfielder. still though the CPU freaks out and subs a player if you start a RF at LF it's stupid
    The Kid 24
    I believe they said 100 prospects have face scans, I'm guessing probably the top 100 prospects for 2020 are the ones with scans?

    Itd make the most sense, but what top 100 are you going off of? Site rankings vary differently.
    They probably tried getting as many top guys as possible. But, as with Trout for years, they still had to go through the process.
    eric7064
    Itd make the most sense, but what top 100 are you going off of? Site rankings vary differently.
    They probably tried getting as many top guys as possible. But, as with Trout for years, they still had to go through the process.

    Yea good point, hopefully all the big time prospects got scans.
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    eric7064
    Itd make the most sense, but what top 100 are you going off of? Site rankings vary differently.
    They probably tried getting as many top guys as possible. But, as with Trout for years, they still had to go through the process.
    My guess would be the official MLB top 100 prospect rankings from MLB Pipeline.
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    Honestly, I think many people underestimate the improvements made. Day 1 minors is huge for me. It was the difference in me buying standard version again vs the MVP version for the first time to get that early access. I no longer have to buy the game and wait weeks to actually start enjoying my favorite mode -- franchise. It means that I install and can instantly play it, and it was even worth shelling out an extra 20 bucks to get it early for me. Not only that, but for those who play multiple seasons, your beloved prospects have NAMES! No longer have to hear, now up to the plate, number 17. How much did that kill realism and immersion? Plus 100+ of the top prospects have face scans, again realism.
    Personally, I'm not that into the relocation features -- I think it is still a year away from being enjoyable, much like March to October last year...but if they get to a point where I can bring back the expos with uni's and stadium that would be awesome.
    The part that I feel is neglected most is all of the gameplay improvements...yes, these also improve other modes, but that shouldn't minimize their effect on the enjoyability of franchise mode. Outside of player progression, 2 of my major pet peeves were names of prospects (fixed) and how you don't have to judge a line drive. There was no penalty for charging every line drive because it never bounced away, no matter how short the hop was.
    I think this will bring a lot of realism and more difficulty to the game (franchises included). It also makes games more fluid and fun. If the throwing changes truly make it more difficult, I think that will make the gameplay better as well. In 19, you essentially never have a throwing error.
    There were rule changes that were put into effect this year that were added to the game -- on top of all the patching of last years game as the year went on. I think people may have an unrealistic expectation on how much time this all takes to develop. This is a pretty big undertaking for a 1 year period.
    No matter what SDS does, not everyone will be happy. Even among franchise players, there are those that think relocation is worthless and those that have been waiting years for it. You may not have gotten the change you wanted this year (or the prior several years), but I don't think that doesn't mean the game will not be improved for franchise players. I look forward to this year.
    Will I probably need to adjust player ratings again?...yes. But, I'll also get to start playing 2-3 weeks earlier and have a better gameplay experience. Well done SDS. We still want progression fixed, but in my opinion, it is a nuisance, not a game breaker. This will be the best year yet.

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