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MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

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MLB The Show 20

MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

So, as usual, the Operation Sports community is on the prowl, and this is a good catch as it relates to real MLB The Show 20 minor leaguers potentially being included in the game. I was trying to confirm this theory, and was looking in the wrong spot of the Portland Sea Dogs clips in the trailer, until forum user “bcruise” told me to look at the UI.

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Voila. You can see this at :56 seconds into the trailer. The original note about this came from forum user “mcarr74” so holler at those two for this one. All of this speculation stems from the livestream schedule that was released that has a bullet point that says “full minor league rosters” as a highlight. We speculated this could just mean that you get more players for your Single-A rosters (you have previously been capped at having less than 25 players on those active rosters), but it could actually mean “full minors” with real player names.

Konner Wade is a 28-year-old pitcher who has made it as high as Triple-A, but he has never been on an MLB roster. This is important because we have had minor leaguers in the game before who have accrued MLB service time. We have not had MiLB players in the game who have not accrued that service time. Is this confirmation we have minor leaguers in the game? No, because maybe there’s some loophole I’m forgetting, but it’s certainly smoke.

Now, I say it’s only smoke as well because there is a fake player named “Kyle Blake” batting in the same video for the Sea Dogs. So we’re getting mixed signals, but perhaps Kyle Blake is there as a stand-in for your Road to the Show player because it also highlights goals for him during that section of the video. (Plus, we know there’s a Kyle Blake who works on The Show development team.)

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Trevor Oaks is another player mentioned here, but he’s played in the MLB before, so he would normally be in the game anyway.

Whatever the case may be, good sleuthing from the OS crew as always, and we’ll just have to wait and see now what the full implementation of “full minors” really means with MLB The Show 20 minor leaguers.

UPDATE: We also have courtesy of OS user “Caulfield” a note about Giants prospect Dany Jimenez. He is another MiLB player with zero service time. He is featured in the video 48 seconds into it — note the scoreboard.

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  1. I just looked up the name Kyle Blake. He’s one of the developers for The Show (Twitter is @KB_TP0).
    So it’s very possible Blake is indeed the created RTTS player.
    Caulfield, you have also been thanked now in the update. I have grabbed the screens tied to the sleuthing, and they are in the story as well. You guys are amazing as always.
    Caulfield's find was the "wham" scene that made me really believe this is actually a thing. You could still write off a name in a scorebug as some kind of strange oversight, but the Jimenez guy has his name AND likeness on that scoreboard (though I highly doubt it's a face scan or anything like that). That's too many "accidents" for me to just brush aside, even as cynical as I can be sometimes.
    I still don't know how they'd go about getting the rights to even SOME of the minor league players, but I'm sure we'll hear about it in the coming days if we're not just chasing ghosts.
    The trailer rewind on the 29th is now Must-See-Youtube for me.
    I dont like being one to tease then take it back, but just to temper expectations till the Studio confirms, the Giants picked up Dany Jimenez last month in the Rule5 draft from Toronto so San Fran had to put him on their 40-man to keep him. I suppose his paperwork could have went through really fast but I doubt thats the case. the Orioles in December 2018 picked up Richie Martin in that years Rule5 draft but he didnt make the default roster, he was added in the first update. I'm inclined to lean the ‘‘full rosters’’ will be real MiLB'ers and doesn't necessarily mean expanded organisation rosters from 90 man to 200+.
    adamj2281
    That would be rather massive, considering OOTP has full minors in the game and the new agreement with MLB, I definitely see this as full MILB integration.
    Actually I just found this, quite interesting.
    http://www.milb.com/documents/0/1/2/303330012/National_Licensees_28_Jan_2019.pdf
    It says it expired in 2019, but I'm guessing it hasn't been updated quite yet.

    I’ve always been skeptical of how it’d work, but since OOTP was able to do it, it’s plenty plausible that SDS should be able to the same way.
    I think the reason we haven’t seen them yet was 2 fold. 1, was the resources it would take to secure the deal didn’t seem to be a priority to SDS. And 2, the resources and time it would take to create and maintain the rosters would be something they’d have to be willing to do.
    That said, with the growing emphasis on prospects and their relevance in the baseball world, coupled with the minor leagues currently battling for higher wages and trying to avoid contraction, it would be prudent of them to hammer out a deal to gain some financial resources and to position themselves a bit better and more visibly.
    Kind of hard to tell from the picture in the article but here is a picture of Dany Jimenez in real life.


    Also hard to tell if they got the Dodger Stadium renovations in or not. Could be an earlier build as well.
    I'm weird in that I always like to play with default rosters. I was planning to skip 20, but if real minor leaguers are in there, that's going to change my plan.
    ShowTyme15
    Kind of hard to tell from the picture in the article but here is a picture of Dany Jimenez in real life.


    Also hard to tell if they got the Dodger Stadium renovations in or not. Could be an earlier build as well.

    I don’t think it’s gonna make it in this year,
    Dint it take the cubs score boards over a year to be put in
    EL_GABE
    I don’t think it’s gonna make it in this year,
    Dint it take the cubs score boards over a year to be put in

    They had the Cubs scoreboards in originally, but were forced to remove it due to legal issues I believe.
    I hope the Dodgers renovations make it in. They've had time to put them in, plus it being the All Star Game location this year one would think it's got to make it in. Fingers crossed.
    EDIT: Went back and looked at the trailer again. It is still the old version with no renovations. Hoping it's just not updated yet and this is older footage.
    So if this is the case of a full minor league system that includes Low and High A rosters, where does this put people like me who's going to import my franchise from 19 into 20? I'm in the year 2021 with the White Sox and I lost in the 7th game of the ALCS in the previous year. I'm on the verge of playing for a World Series and not looking to start over.
    Dice
    So if this is the case of a full minor league system that includes Low and High A rosters, where does this put people like me who's going to import my franchise from 19 into 20? I'm in the year 2021 with the White Sox and I lost in the 7th game of the ALCS in the previous year. I'm on the verge of playing for a World Series and not looking to start over.

    It is an interesting question that one would hope is addressed by one of the developer streams.
    kehlis
    You'd be carrying over your franchise which includes the rosters. Nothing would change in your franchise.

    I'm assuming nothing drastic would change but I was just wondering about the extra roster slots. Would they be just automatically filled or would I have to fill them before I start the season?
    Dice
    I'm assuming nothing drastic would change but I was just wondering about the extra roster slots. Would they be just automatically filled or would I have to fill them before I start the season?

    Do we know there are extra roster slots?
    ShowTyme15
    Kind of hard to tell from the picture in the article but here is a picture of Dany Jimenez in real life.


    Also hard to tell if they got the Dodger Stadium renovations in or not. Could be an earlier build as well.

    I know the background pic of Jimenez in The Show is blurry, but I can make out a few things:
    1. Skin tone is correct
    2. Has a goatee
    I say this to say, if they went all out and got the minor league players in, they did not just import generic player models. They might not have face scans, but they at least tried to create their likeness, so it seems. As someone who usually waits for the OSFM Rosters, this would be huge.
    I only care that the high profile, close to MLB ready talent, look close to 100% accurate. However, if even lower level players are in the game, out of the box, and their likeness is more or less accurate, I am okay with that, considering someone will put up a more accurate version of them on the vault anyway when/if they make it to MLB.
    So if at the very least we have right skin tone, body type, and facial hair....this would be more than anyone would have even asked for, let alone expected.
    This would be a huge game changer!!!! With Ridin not guaranteed to make a roster this year I was actually considering skipping and sticking with 19. If they have real minor league rosters this will be a day one must buy once again.
    EA NHL series has real prospects from the Canadian and most of the European leagues, and it really goes a long way for immersion. I have been souring on the show as of late because of the lack of improvements to franchise, but this would really boost their stock for me
    "Kyle Blake" would have to be a fictional player.  I mean, those are RTTS challenges on that screen, so that suggests to me that it's a user character right there.
    Just a guess.
    LoadStar81
    "Kyle Blake" would have to be a fictional player.* I mean, those are RTTS challenges on that screen, so that suggests to me that it's a user character right there.
    Just a guess.

    Kyle Blake is an SDS Dev, so yes we assume this is his RTTS character facing a real minor leaguer.
    kehlis
    Do we know there are extra roster slots?

    personally, i think extra roster spots/expanded minors comes in The Show 22 at the earliest.
    I am hoping if the minor league players are "real" that their appearance is still customizable, provided that they do not have face scans. Today real MLB players with or without face scans cannot have their appearance changed.
    Worth mentioning as it relates to Jimenez, since he's something of a special case as a Rule 5:
    It would still be unprecedented to have a player like that in the game at launch, AFAIK. Even though he's Rule 5 and is pretty much a lock for the 25-man, his service time clock has not yet started, and won't until opening day. That's always been the rule - they can't be in the game if they have no service time - in other words, haven't played a regular season game. We saw it with Pete Alonso and Vlad Jr. among others last year - they weren't playable at launch and were added later along with their audio after they played an MLB game. (though Vlad's case is a little different since he didn't get called up until late April).
    THAT'S why this is so interesting - it just hasn't happened before.
    Jimenez was chosen in the Rule 5 draft this past december so he has to be on the mlb roster all yr this yr so that means Jimenez was in the minors all yr last yr and wasnt recalled to majors.So there is another clue to real minor league players in game hopefully.
    What I think is most exciting about this is the impact it would have on carry over rosters or if you were deep into your franchise. I always struggled getting into a carry over franchise because I couldn’t handle using a CAP for a guy like  Vladdy jr when I know there is a face scan version available if I just start my franchise over. This way everyone will be able to be updated by SCEA  as they get face scans and we won’t have to start over to enjoy them.
    I believe full minors means real minor league players, instead of fictional, rather then more roster slots. The prior contract I understand forbid using the real names of players not in the MLBPA. However, under the new contract this may now be allowed.
    I hope this also includes the addition of missing name voice files.
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    CujoMatty
    What I think is most exciting about this is the impact it would have on carry over rosters or if you were deep into your franchise. I always struggled getting into a carry over franchise because I couldn’t handle using a CAP for a guy like *Vladdy jr when I know there is a face scan version available if I just start my franchise over. This way everyone will be able to be updated by SCEA *as they get face scans and we won’t have to start over to enjoy them.

    Not only that, It might also mean when we carry over a save we wont get a bunch of random CAP players replacing ones that were sent down to the minors for the full year or left off the ML roster for some other reason. Those really bug me and it is a pain in the butt to have to edit all of them.
    El_MaYiMbE
    I know the background pic of Jimenez in The Show is blurry, but I can make out a few things:
    1. Skin tone is correct
    2. Has a goatee
    I say this to say, if they went all out and got the minor league players in, they did not just import generic player models. They might not have face scans, but they at least tried to create their likeness, so it seems. As someone who usually waits for the OSFM Rosters, this would be huge.
    I only care that the high profile, close to MLB ready talent, look close to 100% accurate. However, if even lower level players are in the game, out of the box, and their likeness is more or less accurate, I am okay with that, considering someone will put up a more accurate version of them on the vault anyway when/if they make it to MLB.
    So if at the very least we have right skin tone, body type, and facial hair....this would be more than anyone would have even asked for, let alone expected.

    Agree but my own issue with this is would they then be editable? if they did this. some of the face guys like to edit and make changes to improve it if they don't make it editable then we have a problem.
    I don't think they would have enough room too get 900 more facescans either on the disk etc. so if they make them like the roster guys on here do it would save so much work. we can only hope.
    bcruise
    Worth mentioning as it relates to Jimenez, since he's something of a special case as a Rule 5:
    It would still be unprecedented to have a player like that in the game at launch, AFAIK. Even though he's Rule 5 and is pretty much a lock for the 25-man, his service time clock has not yet started, and won't until opening day. That's always been the rule - they can't be in the game if they have no service time - in other words, haven't played a regular season game. We saw it with Pete Alonso and Vlad Jr. among others last year - they weren't playable at launch and were added later along with their audio after they played an MLB game. (though Vlad's case is a little different since he didn't get called up until late April).
    THAT'S why this is so interesting - it just hasn't happened before.

    Shohei ohtani was on the base roster before playing in a major league game. He is the only exception that I can remember. Maybe it has something to with the fact that he was from the Japanese leagues, because of I remember correctly I think that Japanese pitcher the mariners signed last year was on the base roster at release as well.
    But no doubt, it would be a huge addition
    Had a pretty candid discussion with Mills in his stream chat tonight on this topic. And I believe he's still as in the dark on this as we are, otherwise I don't think he would have EVER tweeted this:
    https://twitter.com/MillsTwitch/status/1220513227584561152
    It's interesting that Wade is actually more of a smoking gun than Jimenez is - I was so fixated on his name in the UI that I didn't realize his full likeness on the mound was actually shown in the trailer.
    re: Ohtani....okay, I'll give you that one. Everyone knew he was coming though, and maybe SDS negotiated for his rights separately to ensure he'd be in at launch?
    Therebelyell626
    Shohei ohtani was on the base roster before playing in a major league game. He is the only exception that I can remember. Maybe it has something to with the fact that he was from the Japanese leagues, because of I remember correctly I think that Japanese pitcher the mariners signed last year was on the base roster at release as well.
    But no doubt, it would be a huge addition

    No he wasn't on the base roster at all.
    It's funny with the Ohtani thing because at the time there was a strong possibility that he would have started in the minors that was the talk at the time. what was most annoying was they put all the effort into getting him in the game and didn't give him true 2 way player type, they went into that effort of getting someone so unique but didn't put a key feature that he was bringing into the game that everyone was talking about at the time, the next year they half fixed it by having some hidden setting where he DHs when he is not pitching the day before or after. there were work arounds for both years though.
    This would be MASSIVE for the game. Would get more people to wanna play franchise again. Online franchise being gone(hopefully back) nobody really going to that mode much. But...... if it’s a for sure thing oh boy give me Deivi Garcia n Jasson Dominguez all night long please!
    In terms of carry over. Your rosters will not change. All those OSFM minor leaguers will still be there. This will not affect carry over saves if this is simply “real minor league” players are now a part of the “out of the box” roster.
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    Keeler2434
    This would be MASSIVE for the game. Would get more people to wanna play franchise again. Online franchise being gone(hopefully back) nobody really going to that mode much. But...... if it’s a for sure thing oh boy give me Deivi Garcia n Jasson Dominguez all night long please!

    It’s actually interesting you mention those two examples. If the game does have “full minors” this year, I wonder How it will handle those younger international prospects. In years past it was impossible to create a player under age 18. The work around I would use was to change their age back to 18 every year until they were actually 18.
    I don’t see some of these younger international prospects being in the game unfortunately, but I would be blown away if they were included
    ninertravel
    Agree but my own issue with this is would they then be editable? if they did this. some of the face guys like to edit and make changes to improve it if they don't make it editable then we have a problem.
    I don't think they would have enough room too get 900 more facescans either on the disk etc. so if they make them like the roster guys on here do it would save so much work. we can only hope.

    Unless there's a face scan, I think they will be editable. Now, I didn't have last year's game, but I know in 18, they had major league guys, with service time, who didn't have their real faces in the game. Their faces were editable. As a Reds fan, I remember Amir Garrett being one of them.
    Sorry if this was mentioned but one other thing to note is Pitcher Trevor Oaks that is also in the video has MLB time, but did not have MLB time in 2019 (meaning be previously wouldn’t be able to be in MLB 20). So maybe we won’t have to worry about those missing players from Showtyme’s list.
    This really has me excited for franchise! With the addition of real minor leaguers, it makes me think that maybe they some other systems have been improved. Why go through all the time to include these players if they won't be used in the majors that often. Hopefully there will be some improvements to the injury system in the game. Unfortunately players get injured, it's part of the game. If this is improved upon, maybe we'll actually see these guys in the majors more frequently. Plus an overhaul of the call-up system would be appreciated as well. Finally, with real minor leaguers in franchise it might actually bring some excitement to the rule 5 draft. With improved stat tracking for minor leaguers (what level, where they played, and carry over stats from season to season), another layer of depth in regards to roster building. If they do this right it could really add a ton to the franchise experience.
    The Kid 24
    Think we'll find out for sure about this on Wednesday, when the trailer rewind is done?
    Or not until the Franchise stream on 2/13?

    I think there's a pretty good chance it'll be on the rewind if it's a real thing. If it is some sort of horrible accident - like mistakenly having ridin's (converted for '20) roster active while they were capturing sizzle - I think we'd hear about that even before the rewind. There's probably legal ramifications there (with MLB, not ridin/another roster maker) that they would not want to have go on for too long.
    Looking toward the future and PS5, I'm hoping they'll add some sort of "crowdsourced" face scanning system if they don't have the resources to do all the minor leaguers themselves.
    blackhawksfan4ever19
    Does anyone think that face scanning will be a feature anytime soon for the show?
    Where we can take a minor leaguer photo and scan him into the game?
    That would be so cool.

    soon? no, meaning not within the next 5 years. that's my guestimation
    This is juicy stuff right here
    If they are actual minor leaguers(Im slightly skeptical still), I see it just being a scan of their Roster pic with accurate height, weight, handedness and such.
    In terms of equipment and stances and windups I have no idea how that would work. Even with MLB players SCEA struggles with equipment (brands and colors).
    And I have a hard time imagining SCEA will go through watching tape of every minor leaguer and picking which stances looks best for them.
    Because of this, I still see an OSFM aspect coming into play here. However they’ll all be SCEA based player which will save them from doing the faces and importing and exporting the whole minor leagues. Tell just be updating stances, equipment and such to upload into the vault.
    This is huge for carry over saves as like others I couldn’t have a top prospect be OSFM knowing there’s going to be an SCEA accurate model and facescan in next years game.
    blackhawksfan4ever19
    Does anyone think that face scanning will be a feature anytime soon for the show?
    Where we can take a minor leaguer photo and scan him into the game?
    That would be so cool.

    Other games have had this for years. The mechanism for it doesn't have to be built into the game, it could also be done online and then the results are downloaded into the game (this is how Big Ant does it with Cricket 19).
    I've wanted this for years because I never truly feel like a player is in the game unless their true bespoke likeness is in the game. That said, I doubt they'll implement this. Would love to be wrong though. I love The Show, but the CAP faces just don't look very good. They'd be better off going with maybe 50 to 100 generic/anonymous face scans that you can only edit in limited ways than the current "play-doh" faces.
    Franchise implications of having full minors for the actual game.... they would be able to implement a system like Madden has where you can choose a starting week for your franchise with accurate stats, records, transactions, injuries, call-ups and send-downs, etc. All of the players would be in the shipped roster. Before I didn't see a way they would be able to implement a system where this could be realistic. The inclusion makes it one of my top wish list items moving forward.
    dlk90514
    Franchise implications of having full minors for the actual game.... they would be able to implement a system like Madden has where you can choose a starting week for your franchise with accurate stats, records, transactions, injuries, call-ups and send-downs, etc. All of the players would be in the shipped roster. Before I didn't see a way they would be able to implement a system where this could be realistic. The inclusion makes it one of my top wish list items moving forward.

    This would be awesome, truly awesome
    I was browsing through the pages and was surprised nobody mentioned this at all. With the inclusion of full minor names (assumption) I wonder if that means a re-rate for minor league players as well to match player likeness. That could also have a huge impact on player progression when playing long term franchises. A domino effect of that could also be the ratings of drafted players in our franchise to make sure the league does not get watered down. Now I am not anticipating that by any means, but I am somewhat curious if the generated draft players are being reworked or scouting in general. I guess we will see.
    I am wondering what impact full minors if they are real players will have in dymond dynasty. Will some of the top prospects get in game cards from the start and be highly targeted as cards to aquire hopeing that they get a great overall jump in roster updates. Or will we have to wait for them to make the majors to get a DD card. It could have a great impact on the simond dynasty card market.
    thawkprime 21
    I am wondering what impact full minors if they are real players will have in dymond dynasty. Will some of the top prospects get in game cards from the start and be highly targeted as cards to aquire hopeing that they get a great overall jump in roster updates. Or will we have to wait for them to make the majors to get a DD card. It could have a great impact on the simond dynasty card market.

    Or they could just throw them all in DD to promote more stub spending instead of 12 different versions of each legend.
    Legends would just have 1 signature, the rest would be minor leaguers and major leaguers
    fnz21
    Unless there's a face scan, I think they will be editable. Now, I didn't have last year's game, but I know in 18, they had major league guys, with service time, who didn't have their real faces in the game. Their faces were editable. As a Reds fan, I remember Amir Garrett being one of them.

    Yes that is when they update a roster with service time guys that are added they can be edited. but not on the default roster. so maybe the minor guys would be editable fi they just treated as though they were CAPs.
    but for about 3 years people were complaining about Lindor not having a face scan. and you couldn't edit him.
    Culture Rot
    OSFM will still be needed, regardless.
    I'll probably just slightly tweak the default roster, replace a few filler players with better prospects, then BAM! ready to roll. I want to have my Orioles season under way by Sunday night, March 15. no more waiting for me. it is what it is.
    Caulfield
    I'll probably just slightly tweak the default roster, replace a few filler players with better prospects, then BAM! ready to roll. I want to have my Orioles season under way by Sunday night, March 15. no more waiting for me. it is what it is.
    Won't your Orioles season be finished by March 15th?
    Just messing.
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    PhilliesFan13
    Won't your Orioles season be finished by March 15th?
    Just messing.
    :lol:
    probably, but my goal the last 2 or 3 years has just been to win more than the IRL Baltimore, not play in October lol
    TheDarkKnightRises
    Wait so are we getting full minors this year? I thought they would never do that.

    There has not been a confirmation of it but I personally feel that they will be in. Why say "full minor league rosters" if they really just meant expanded roster spots for Single A or lower etc. I, like many others would be happy with extra roster spots but would prefer the actual players being added. Of course if not we still have Ridins roster.
    My guess is real minor league players will not be in the game but the number of minor league affiliates will expand.
    The reason I say that is Reggie Stocker. Reggie Stocker existed because Barry Bonds wasn't in the players union. Minor league players are under contract but are not in the players union.
    This will be a nice addition but 90% of minor league player never make it to the majors so the vast majority of those new players will be just filler for the minor league squad. I'm guessing the June draft will also be expanded beyond the current 7 rounds.
    TheDarkKnightRises
    Wait so are we getting full minors this year? I thought they would never do that.

    It's a bit unclear at the moment as we obviously can't actually have the full minors (there are far, far too many minor league affiliates to actually put them all on a console game) so it really is going to depend on what they've decided to mean by full minors.
    Could be they've got the licencing for minor league players, could mean they've added the Single A clubs, could mean something else. Guess we'll find out
    Caulfield
    so if the minor leaguers are all real in 20, OSFM, or whatever it's going by these days, should become OSAM (Alternative Minors) lol

    You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.
    I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.
    tessl
    You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.
    I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.

    oh yes, definitely remember Stocker. infinitely better teammate than Bonds. its possible High A and Low A will be playable now, but with MLB wanting to kill off short-season teams, I dont see SDS bothering to unnecessarily add something that is terminal or could be mute in a couple years. and I believe it would be a hella lot easier for Sony to get minor leaguers than say, EA to get a contract with NCAA player. might even be as simple as basic legal language addded to standard minor leaguer contracts. that could be something MLB took care of for Sony in exchange for Sony being willing to drop the Show from being a PlayStation exclusive. I dont suggest it would be easy, just plausible.
    Aside from sweeping Franchise changes (not going to happen this year), this would be the only thing that would make me 100% buy it. It would be huge to be able to play from day one/get accurate roster updates, etc...
    Jerze2387
    Or they could just throw them all in DD to promote more stub spending instead of 12 different versions of each legend.
    Legends would just have 1 signature, the rest would be minor leaguers and major leaguers

    I just wish they’d depict the legends realistically. Like you know yhere will be a 99 overall Sheffield. I don’t want a 99 Sheff. I wanna play with Sheff the way he actually played. It’s like they have it in their head thag legends need to be better than every modern day player which is so stupid. There shouldn’t be 50 players better than Mike Trout in the game. Give me realistic legends PLEASE
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    tessl
    You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.
    I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.

    It’s never been an “issue.”
    The likeness of MLB players being used has always been collectively bargained with the MLBPA.
    Bonds, wasn’t part of the union (as you mentioned) but that isn’t why he wasn’t in the game. Had companies wanted to individually negotiate with him to be in the game, they could have.
    Sony could easily have just found a way to collectively bargain with MiLB players.
    Culture Rot
    OSFM will still be needed, regardless.

    I think OSFM will be for equipment and stances. There’s no chance SCEA would go through film/pics to get accurate equipment and stances like OSFM does
    Caulfield
    oh yes, definitely remember Stocker. infinitely better teammate than Bonds. its possible High A and Low A will be playable now, but with MLB wanting to kill off short-season teams, I dont see SDS bothering to unnecessarily add something that is terminal or could be mute in a couple years. and I believe it would be a hella lot easier for Sony to get minor leaguers than say, EA to get a contract with NCAA player. might even be as simple as basic legal language addded to standard minor leaguer contracts. that could be something MLB took care of for Sony in exchange for Sony being willing to drop the Show from being a PlayStation exclusive. I dont suggest it would be easy, just plausible.

    True - and on the topic of the Show no longer being a playstation exclusive I understand the profit motive but spreading developers over multiple platforms has the potential - I would say certainty - of less attention to improvements and bug fixing. Spreading developers too thin over multiple platforms can't be good for the game.
    The reason the show has been the best baseball game ever is because they devoted 100% of their time to one game on one platform.
    kehlis
    It’s never been an “issue.”
    The likeness of MLB players being used has always been collectively bargained with the MLBPA.
    Bonds, wasn’t part of the union (as you mentioned) but that isn’t why he wasn’t in the game. Had companies wanted to individually negotiate with him to be in the game, they could have.
    Sony could easily have just found a way to collectively bargain with MiLB players.

    I disagree. Nobody will touch anything related to the NCAA for the same reason - there is no entity to bargain with. It wasn't just Bonds. Prior to the existence of the Show the players who crossed the picket line in 1995 were banned by the union from joining and were in the games at that time with fictional names.
    https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12/players-who-crossed-picket-line-in-1995/in High Heat Major League Baseball 1999, Braves reliever Kerry Lightenberg was dubbed “Terry Lyte.” Other code names included “Ron Mayday” (Ron Mahay), and “Shawn Spengler” (Shane Spencer).
    The game I religiously played back in the day was MVP Baseball 2005. In that game, Barry Bonds — who was not part of the MLBPA for reasons unrelated to the work stoppage — went undercover as “Jon Dowd.” Lightenberg was dubbed “Scott Venema.” Mahay was “Neale Genereaux,” and Spencer was “Larry Reed.” Among other notables, Cory Lidle was “Alan Hughes,” Lou Merloni was “Paul Cruz,” and Damian Miller was “Roger Chamberlain.”

    Minor league players are not a member of any collective bargaining entity and I suspect the owners would fight any attempt to collectively bargain with milb and it could cost San Diego Studios their license if they attempt to do so without the approval of MLB.
    We will find out shortly when more details are released but I expect more minor league teams and players with the same generated fictional players. I'm fine with that because beginning in June of the first year of a franchise you start drafting generated fictional players to populate you minor leagues.
    tessl
    I disagree. Nobody will touch anything related to the NCAA for the same reason - there is no entity to bargain with. It wasn't just Bonds. Prior to the existence of the Show the players who crossed the picket line in 1995 were banned by the union from joining and were in the games at that time with fictional names.
    https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12/players-who-crossed-picket-line-in-1995/in High Heat Major League Baseball 1999, Braves reliever Kerry Lightenberg was dubbed “Terry Lyte.” Other code names included “Ron Mayday” (Ron Mahay), and “Shawn Spengler” (Shane Spencer).
    The game I religiously played back in the day was MVP Baseball 2005. In that game, Barry Bonds — who was not part of the MLBPA for reasons unrelated to the work stoppage — went undercover as “Jon Dowd.” Lightenberg was dubbed “Scott Venema.” Mahay was “Neale Genereaux,” and Spencer was “Larry Reed.” Among other notables, Cory Lidle was “Alan Hughes,” Lou Merloni was “Paul Cruz,” and Damian Miller was “Roger Chamberlain.”

    Minor league players are not a member of any collective bargaining entity and I suspect the owners would fight any attempt to collectively bargain with milb and it could cost San Diego Studios their license if they attempt to do so without the approval of MLB.
    We will find out shortly when more details are released but I expect more minor league teams and players with the same generated fictional players. I'm fine with that because beginning in June of the first year of a franchise you start drafting generated fictional players to populate you minor leagues.

    I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I get your point about the NCAA as that is a completely different beast. NCAA players are considered amateurs. Players drafted or signed to professional baseball teams are usually handed a signing bonus, and albeit small are technically paid a salary to play baseball. This by the very definition makes then “professional” athletes.
    Also, SDS could have easily negotiate rights to real minor leaguers either directly through minor league baseball, or through the players themselves. EA sports NHL is a perfect example. They have real players from the CHL, SHL, Liiga, deutche league, chzech league, and Swiss league in their game. Non of the players from these leagues are members of the NHLPA, and in the case of the CHL players are as young as sixteen and not even allowed to technically sign a professional contract. Their parents have to. You could say that maybe EA sports negotiates a likeness rights deal with these players but I doubt NHL has the budget to negotiate with these 300 plus players individually. Most of these young players see it as an honor to be in the game and are most likely willing to be included for free.
    Also, none of us really know the specifics of the new minor league/major league deal. There could very well be a likeness clause to the advantage of the minor league teams.
    I am not saying real minor leaguers will definitely be in the game. All I’m saying is it is way more plausible them getting the rights to players who are already getting paid to play the professionally, and most definitely is not the same situation as NCAA which see their athletes as amateurs.
    Edit: sorry for the spelling errors the auto correct on my phone when I use this sight is brutal
    Therebelyell626
    I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I get your point about the NCAA as that is a completely different beast. NCAA players are considered amateurs. Players drafted or signed to professional baseball teams are usually handed a signing bonus, and albeit small are technically paid a salary to play baseball. This by the very definition makes then “professional” athletes.
    Also, SDS could have easily negotiate rights to real minor leaguers either directly through minor league baseball, or through the players themselves. EA sports NHL is a perfect example. They have real players from the CHL, SHL, Liiga, deutche league, chzech league, and Swiss league in their game. Non of the players from these leagues are members of the NHLPA, and in the case of the CHL players are as young as sixteen and not even allowed to technically sign a professional contract. Their parents have to. You could say that maybe EA sports negotiates a likeness rights deal with these players but I doubt NHL has the budget to negotiate with these 300 plus players individually. Most of these young players see it as an honor to be in the game and are most likely willing to be included for free.
    Also, none of us really know the specifics of the new minor league/major league deal. There could very well be a likeness clause to the advantage of the minor league teams.
    I am not saying real minor leaguers will definitely be in the game. All I’m saying is it is way more plausible them getting the rights to players who are already getting paid to play the professionally, and most definitely is not the same situation as NCAA which see their athletes as amateurs.
    Edit: sorry for the spelling errors the auto correct on my phone when I use this sight is brutal

    Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?
    I hope when the PS5 comes out, SDS goes all out with 30 more minor league parks, those dont even have to be real. wouldn't mind getting a couple extra thi year.
    Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?

    whatever's behind door #1. :D
    tessl
    Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?

    Truth is I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. In fact if I was a betting man I would bet that you are right. I am choosing to be optimistic. I don’t think SDS would have highlighted something as “full minors leagues” just to underwhelm everyone
    Guys something I’ve been thinking about and wonder what you would all have to say. So say we get full minor league players and all. How do you think they’ll go by this? Would everyone happen to be a CAP(I think so) and have a player card/picture say like a real player like DD card. Or do you think they are just editable caps and don’t have a player card and just the usual card? Hope I don’t come off sounding dumb. I might be lol. But hope you guys understand what I’m trying to ask. Just wanna see the thoughts you guys have on this.
    Armor and Sword
    Why do I think this is simply a full single A roster and we will still have fictional minor leaguers?
    Don’t be surprised if that is the case.
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    The whole Konnor Wade thing doesn’t make since then.
    I guess we’ll see what info we get today.
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    No mention of the Full Minor League thing - whatever it may be - in the rewind (although they did use the Konner Wade clip again). Not confirmed nor denied. Looks like we're gonna be waiting a bit longer.
    bcruise
    No mention of the Full Minor League thing - whatever it may be - in the rewind (although they did use the Konner Wade clip again). Not confirmed nor denied. Looks like we're gonna be waiting a bit longer.

    It's out already? The schedule says 3 PM PT.
    bcruise
    No mention of the Full Minor League thing - whatever it may be - in the rewind (although they did use the Konner Wade clip again). Not confirmed nor denied. Looks like we're gonna be waiting a bit longer.

    I suspect we'll have to keep waiting until the RTTS/Franchise stream. I'm already impatient.
    Keeler2434
    Guys something I’ve been thinking about and wonder what you would all have to say. So say we get full minor league players and all. How do you think they’ll go by this? Would everyone happen to be a CAP(I think so) and have a player card/picture say like a real player like DD card. Or do you think they are just editable caps and don’t have a player card and just the usual card? Hope I don’t come off sounding dumb. I might be lol. But hope you guys understand what I’m trying to ask. Just wanna see the thoughts you guys have on this.

    I think if we do get full minor league players that they will be editable CAPs. I think they would try to capture or at least do a better job on higher end prospects but the majority of guys would be mostly kind of basic. May look similar to some extent but would need some work. Of course actual captures of as many as possible would be great.
    As far as cards I imagine they would just be basic or none at all until actually reaching the majors and then maybe they upload an actual pictured card.
    The Kid 24
    Well looks like 2/13 it is, damn I was hoping we'd get confirmation today.

    Come on now, full minor league rosters can't compete with new dance moves
    I am tempering expectations with franchise. If you look at the stream schedule the franchise improvements are a sub bullet. It really is a rtts stream.
    On the show nation forums a developer posted the stream dates and didn't even mention franchise.

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    Armor and Sword
    Why do I think this is simply a full single A roster and we will still have fictional minor leaguers?
    Don’t be surprised if that is the case.
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    I fear there will be a lot of disappointed people here once we get the first roster set. I can see more of the "key" prospects added, but also a lot of fillers and fictionals. Hope we're wrong, but I just don't see anything more than what you said here...
    Armor and Sword
    Why do I think this is simply a full single A roster and we will still have fictional minor leaguers?
    Don’t be surprised if that is the case.
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    I'm thinking its going to be more roster slots (full minors rosters) than actual minor league players. That's how I took it when I read it and still take it, despite the possible leaks that it includes actual minor leaguers.
    I think we get full A and then 10 spots for rookie level.
    Find out in a few weeks for sure.
    mkharsh33
    I fear there will be a lot of disappointed people here once we get the first roster set. I can see more of the "key" prospects added, but also a lot of fillers and fictionals. Hope we're wrong, but I just don't see anything more than what you said here...

    I would still be pretty happy even if we did just get “key” prospects. I mean that is still a HUGE step forward. With all of the great roster creators out there I am sure someone will fill in the blanks.
    I will tell you this though. If they don’t include real minor leaguers, then there better be major franchise improvements or I will skip this year for the first time in 14 years.
    I finally started skipping games I used to buy yearly and honestly it is quite liberating. SDS really needs to bring it this year and not make this game all about DD and gimmick modes
    mkharsh33
    I fear there will be a lot of disappointed people here once we get the first roster set. I can see more of the "key" prospects added, but also a lot of fillers and fictionals. Hope we're wrong, but I just don't see anything more than what you said here...

    I'm thinking along the same lines, "We added XXX real minor league players to the roster" feels like the 'best case' to me with just adding slots to the A-level being the most likely outcome.
    Therebelyell626
    Truth is I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. In fact if I was a betting man I would bet that you are right. I am choosing to be optimistic. I don’t think SDS would have highlighted something as “full minors leagues” just to underwhelm everyone

    IRL there are around 7,000 minor league players. In the show it's around 2,000. A frequent complaint has been lack of a full minor league system. My guess is that is the complaint SDS is taking care of.
    I can't see how SDS would get 7,000 players with no collective bargaining unit in the game. Maybe there is a way around it's the same reason college sports games were shut down after the O'Bannon lawsuit. There is no way to get thousands of college football players individually to sign some sort of agreement.
    It's possible MLB agreed and set up a framework for all minor league players to sign an agreement. If that's the case then there will be actual minor league players.
    I'm a carry over franchise player and I've played this game long enough to see the potential potholes. Have they created 6,500 worthless players to populate the minor leagues who have zero chance of making the majors? If they create too many good players eventually every team will be stocked with superstars at every position.
    Have they expanded the amateur draft to 30 rounds? If so have they completely revamped scouting? The current scouting system doesn't allow for time to scout enough players to fill 30 rounds. Are we going to return to year round scouting like we had before? For me that was tedious.
    There is a lot more to this if they want to get it right than just flooding the game with several thousand more players. If they don't get this right it could wreck the game and in that case I'd prefer the current system.
    The whole thing has me excited, confused and cautious.
    Excited because it looks like they are finally adding to Franchise Mode. I don’t recall SDS ever being misleading when promoting a new feature. And I don’t see how “full minor league rosters” could mean anything but minor league players. If they were just adding Single A and Rookie League teams I would think they would refer to it as something like expanded rosters.
    Confused because adding minor league players would be a huge deal and take a ton of work. And they don’t even mention it on the trailer or rewind. Social media and you tube are talking about moving franchises and full minor league rosters more than anything else and are acting as if it is a confirmed fact both of these are happening.
    And cautious because of all I stated above and I try to keep my expectations reasonable.
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    so if 90-man organisations are bumping up to say, 125-man rosters, is that really ‘‘full’’ minors? unless Sony knows something from MLB's inside and short-season, rookie leagues and foreign rookie leagues are all going the way of the Dodo, then I guess 125 man rosters would be full. but I dont think Sony knows what's going to happen for sure on the MiLB retraction front. I dont believe MLB knows for certain either. but the more I think about it, I believe cb is right in interpreting full rosters as more slots as opposed to being filled with real prospects. and if there are going to be double the amount of minor leaguers to be edited into real prospects, somebody might have to dig up Knight and get him back on the OSFM project lol
    I am sticking to single A being expanded to 26 roster spots.
    And that is what SDS is touting as full minors. If it is more than that then that will be awesome!!
    OSFM will still be the go to roster set for those wanting real minor leaguers with faces, stances, equipment, correct pitch types and swings etc.
    They do a fantastic job and that is what I always wait for. Well worth it.
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    Does anyone think that with them not saying anything in the gameplay rewind that it might not mean we actually are getting real minor league players? Or that we are just getting more slots.
    Keeler2434
    Does anyone think that with them not saying anything in the gameplay rewind that it might not mean we actually are getting real minor league players? Or that we are just getting more slots.
    right now I'm pretty conflicted, dont know for sure which way I lean. cb makes a good point that full minors may mean more roster spots. on the other hand I have been so ingrained over the last 10 years to think of ‘‘Full Minors’’ in the OSFM context. either way, I'm still excited.
    Keeler2434
    Does anyone think that with them not saying anything in the gameplay rewind that it might not mean we actually are getting real minor league players? Or that we are just getting more slots.

    I don't think them not saying anything in the gameplay rewind about it has no bearing on what the phrase Full Minor League Rosters means to them.
    I honestly don't think we are getting real minor leaguers, although for those who are really looking forward to it and want it, I hope that I am 100% wrong.
    But as I said a few posts ago, I think this means more roster slots and full Single A rosters and additional roster spots for Rookie league.
    I think overall rosters are going to go from 90 to 110-115, although if they hit 125 I'll be extremely happy!!!
    The Kid 24
    Damn, i just don’t know what to think... Honestly I think Konnor Wade and Dany Jimenez from the trailer weren’t a coincidence.
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    I’m gonna hold on to this for the next two weeks or until confirmed that real minor league players are not on the default roster.
    “Don’t stop believin’....”
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    I am excited for this....since playing baseball games since the Atari 2600..every year it just gets better and better...
    Wow...I just showed my age didn’t I...anyway for youngsters out the the Atari was the biggest thing out there back in the 70s’ and early 80s’...lol
    The Kid 24
    Damn, i just don’t know what to think... Honestly I think Konnor Wade and Dany Jimenez from the trailer weren’t a coincidence.
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    I would love it just as much as the rest of us to get full minor leaguers out of box to bring a "start early " feeling back to franchise and play spring training earlier..and i sure hope im wrong and they are in, i really do, but to be honest they easily could have just meant added roster spots,which is literally nothing much of anything to market on a stream schedule you would think..but since the 26 man roster is a thing now they had no choice but to add extra slots..so i totally see them marketing it off as some addition when its clearly out of nescessity.As far as the 2 names those are typical cap fictional names from the audio database..which leads me to think thats all they are just simple names we already see. it wasnt a name featured that we had never seen in the database..think about all the names theyd have to add to the database.. if they did all the minors..did they really record announcer audio for all of those names?something to think about and i sure hope they went above expectations and really did this in some form.
    The Kid 24
    Damn, i just don’t know what to think... Honestly I think Konnor Wade and Dany Jimenez from the trailer weren’t a coincidence.
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    I'm not sure it is either...but the fact it IS Wade and Jimenez has me less excited. If I am looking at the right guys on B-ref, both are older "prospects" with marginal upside. It's not like we're talking a Sixto Sanchez or Wander Franco here. "Glass half full" guy says, "they added more obscure guys to the trailer that only diehards would catch to make it harder to catch on to" (SDS does like to toy with us on the Easter Eggs). "Glass half empty" guy says that they were just able to negotiate with some career minor leaguer types and not necessarily all minor league guys.
    I guess we'll see...
    (of course, none of this really matters much to me since I'll be carrying over my franchise....but it is still fun to speculate a bit)
    I’m a SDS fanboy but my hopes are tempered by the fact that after having all year to fix it Michael Chavis is on the End of Season Live Roster with zero options. My thinking is whatever it is they give us it will be the Full Minors team that take it to the next level
    To quote Showtyme “We are working on it as usual”
    JoshC1977
    I'm not sure it is either...but the fact it IS Wade and Jimenez has me less excited. If I am looking at the right guys on B-ref, both are older "prospects" with marginal upside. It's not like we're talking a Sixto Sanchez or Wander Franco here... "Glass half empty" guy says that they were just able to negotiate with some career minor leaguer types and not necessarily all minor league guys.
    this is sort of the line of thinking I went down. let's for the sake of argument say we still have 90-man rosters, SDS wouldn't have room to put every teams 225+ players and prospects, so might be what they did was sent a waiver around to every MLB team to distribute to their affiliations and anyone who was willing to sign is who they populated the minors with. IF that's the case, I'd still bet 90% of minor leaguers would agree to sign a waiver allowing their likeness in 20.
    My hope with the official minor league roster is that they the full 90 man roster that Ridin and the team do each year. Only difference is that we will have them on launch day.
    Ill be carrying over my RTTS player but I am starting a new franchise this year and will finally really put some hours into it, so these reveals will dictate whether my franchise is on The Show or OOTP.
    Personally, I think they in fact ARE minor leagues filled with real players, for 2 reasons. 1) It specifically says FULL Minor League Rosters, and Ridin's roster last year was Full Minors 19 after being called OSFM for so long. And then 2) Konner Wade and Dany Jimenez in the trailer both have 0 Major League service. Granted, Jimenez was a rule 5 pick so he has to be on the bigs roster, but Wade wasnt and has been a career minor leaguer. And he's on the correct team which shows it wasnt just a coincidence with a random default created player.
    orioles0615
    You know what would be nice? Actual year to year stat tracking for minor leaguers, so I can actually see how they are doing.

    I always liked how in MLB 2K you could see the MLB and Minor League stats on their player card.
    It ought to be worth considering that there is no minor league players association. This means that to use any of those players they need to get permission from individuals. There is simply no way I can see them going through this for more than a few players. Not much of a return on the investment when the players can be created by the community, anyway.
    It's seems plain to me that expanded minor league rosters means more roster slots.
    tree3five
    How did Out Of The Park Baseball have real minor leaguers on their latest game? If they can do it then why can’t The Show?

    Other have said because they dont use actual likeness of players.
    I know I'm heavily biased here, considering that most of my 2014 carry over is fictional at this point and if I were to ever seriously start a new franchise, I'd consider a fictional roster, but I really hope it means more roster spots.
    Hopefully that also comes with an updated trade system. I'd figure that something like multi-team trades and cash considerations would be additions worth mentioning in the schedule, but even just adding two more spots per team in the trade menu would be immensely helpful.
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    If they have thought this through with progression, scouting and the amateur draft then it will be a good thing.
    One of the biggest problems with franchise is the stamina regression of starting pitchers. I just completed an amateur draft and I saw 3 or 4 starting pitchers with enough stamina combined with other attributes to be a functional MLB starting pitcher at the age of 25. As everybody knows all pitchers decline by -1 stamina each year.
    The current draft system only allows for scouting thru June. If they don't add rounds to the draft there won't be enough players to populate all the minor league teams and if they don't change scouting there will be 25 rounds of drafting players who haven't been scouted.
    There are currently around 7,500 minor league players and around 6,500 of them will never make the major leagues. Have the calculated the number of worthless players needed to populate the 14 MLB affiliated minor leagues?
    If they have reworked all of this and calculated everything needed to make it work then that's great. If not it could create a mess.
    itsmb8
    Ill be carrying over my RTTS player but I am starting a new franchise this year and will finally really put some hours into it, so these reveals will dictate whether my franchise is on The Show or OOTP.
    Personally, I think they in fact ARE minor leagues filled with real players, for 2 reasons. 1) It specifically says FULL Minor League Rosters, and Ridin's roster last year was Full Minors 19 after being called OSFM for so long. And then 2) Konner Wade and Dany Jimenez in the trailer both have 0 Major League service. Granted, Jimenez was a rule 5 pick so he has to be on the bigs roster, but Wade wasnt and has been a career minor leaguer. And he's on the correct team which shows it wasnt just a coincidence with a random default created player.

    You bring up some really good points. The Konnor Wade thing is just way too much of a coincidence. Every Connor I have ever met or know about spells their name with a C, so this would be a really strange coincidence if they just randomly came up with a Konnor Wade that just happens to be on the same team as the real Konnor Wade.
    I don’t think we will be getting full prospects, but I could see them adding fringe minor leaguers that are on the cusp of the big league
    tessl
    If they have thought this through with progression, scouting and the amateur draft then it will be a good thing.
    One of the biggest problems with franchise is the stamina regression of starting pitchers. I just completed an amateur draft and I saw 3 or 4 starting pitchers with enough stamina combined with other attributes to be a functional MLB starting pitcher at the age of 25. As everybody knows all pitchers decline by -1 stamina each year.
    The current draft system only allows for scouting thru June. If they don't add rounds to the draft there won't be enough players to populate all the minor league teams and if they don't change scouting there will be 25 rounds of drafting players who haven't been scouted.
    There are currently around 7,500 minor league players and around 6,500 of them will never make the major leagues. Have the calculated the number of worthless players needed to populate the 14 MLB affiliated minor leagues?
    If they have reworked all of this and calculated everything needed to make it work then that's great. If not it could create a mess.

    To be honest I barely have enough time to scout the 7 rounds we have now. I do my best to find a 1st rounder who’s a for sure lock to be an every day player, after that I am generally drafting blind tbh lol
    Now why I know little about player development in baseball wouldnt it make sense to have more fixed attributes with prospects. For example i know that tweaks to mechanics can create better velocity on pitchs but if a guy can throw 94 shouldnt they be drafted with high velocity and maybe bad control and h/9 ratings and starters have 80 plus stamina or something like that why also implementing a stamina lower limit that starters dont regress below.
    Also with possible needing to draft more players to fill minor league teams arnt trams drafting there 50th guy with limited scouting reports anyways. Shouldn't certain attributes not even need to be scouted. By that it doesn't take any scout much to tell uf a guy has arm strength or can run fast. So go into the draft with attributes unlocked.
    Therebelyell626
    You bring up some really good points. The Konnor Wade thing is just way too much of a coincidence. Every Connor I have ever met or know about spells their name with a C, so this would be a really strange coincidence if they just randomly came up with a Konnor Wade that just happens to be on the same team as the real Konnor Wade.
    I don’t think we will be getting full prospects, but I could see them adding fringe minor leaguers that are on the cusp of the big league

    Absolutely agree, Konnor Wade on the same team and same position as irl, SDS knows what they're doing with these trailers.
    Something is coming... Man, come on 2/13!!!!
    The Kid 24
    Absolutely agree, Konnor Wade on the same team and same position as irl, SDS knows what they're doing with these trailers.
    Something is coming... Man, come on 2/13!!!!

    Is there anything to prevent them from using the minor league player names and attributes but give them generic or random player models?
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    mariner690
    Is there anything to prevent them from using the minor league player names and attributes but give them generic or random player models?
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    I can’t see why not. OOTPB does that.
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    mariner690
    Is there anything to prevent them from using the minor league player names and attributes but give them generic or random player models?
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    Yes, this is the area where it get's dangerous for them.
    The likeness doesn't have to be there to exonerate them from a lawsuit. NCAA got in trouble because they made it so obvious that they were creating college athletes.
    Without the likeness, they have a better defense if they were to be sued, but if they re-create names and attributes for enough people, not having the likeness probably wouldn't be enough.
    And I can't see them seeing that as a risk they're willing to take.
    The fact that they said FULL minors, to me, eliminates the theory of there being some random scrubs being added. The word full would mean complete.
    That, plus the 2 players that were seen in the trailer, plus the fact they didn’t just say “expanded rosters”, and it really wouldn’t be beneficial to add a ton more random players (it’d take up more space on roster dukes and wouldn’t really enrich the game, as realistically most of us never dip into the A level rosters as it is).
    And here’s how they could make it happen without having to go to the minor league players individually:
    The teams. The teams own the rights likenesses of some of the players to some extent. Each minor league club uses the likeness of the players in promotions, from pictures on tickets and banners to bobble heads.
    Cutting a deal with each team, or each parent club, would be a way to have the likenesses without having to go to the individual players.
    Now, some will cite Barry Bonds as an example of why didn’t the giants do that. But Barry, at that point in his career, would have had a contract rider with the Giants that most likely would have excluded the usage of his likeness without his consent. Same for the other players mentioned. They could have negotiated that in.
    Most likely, these minor leaguers, even the top prospects, don’t have that clause because they didn’t have the leverage nor foresight at this point in their careers to do so.
    kehlis
    Yes, this is the area where it get's dangerous for them.
    The likeness doesn't have to be there to exonerate them from a lawsuit. NCAA got in trouble because they made it so obvious that they were creating college athletes.
    Without the likeness, they have a better defense if they were to be sued, but if they re-create names and attributes for enough people, not having the likeness probably wouldn't be enough.
    And I can't see them seeing that as a risk they're willing to take.

    It cost EA a cool $40 million. Highly unlikely SDS would risk that.
    There may be a way to get real minor league players but they have to get an agreement in place.
    Jerze2387
    The fact that they said FULL minors, to me, eliminates the theory of there being some random scrubs being added. The word full would mean complete.
    That, plus the 2 players that were seen in the trailer, plus the fact they didn’t just say “expanded rosters”, and it really wouldn’t be beneficial to add a ton more random players (it’d take up more space on roster dukes and wouldn’t really enrich the game, as realistically most of us never dip into the A level rosters as it is).
    And here’s how they could make it happen without having to go to the minor league players individually:
    The teams. The teams own the rights likenesses of some of the players to some extent. Each minor league club uses the likeness of the players in promotions, from pictures on tickets and banners to bobble heads.
    Cutting a deal with each team, or each parent club, would be a way to have the likenesses without having to go to the individual players.
    Now, some will cite Barry Bonds as an example of why didn’t the giants do that. But Barry, at that point in his career, would have had a contract rider with the Giants that most likely would have excluded the usage of his likeness without his consent. Same for the other players mentioned. They could have negotiated that in.
    Most likely, these minor leaguers, even the top prospects, don’t have that clause because they didn’t have the leverage nor foresight at this point in their careers to do so.

    They previously had only 2 playable minor league teams. Total of 60 teams.
    The A level was just a place to stockpile a few extra players. Full minors could very well be full A, short season A and rookie league. The entire 160 minor league teams instead of 60.
    Not necessarily real names and likeness.
    tessl
    They previously had only 2 playable minor league teams. Total of 60 teams.
    The A level was just a place to stockpile a few extra players. Full minors could very well be full A, short season A and rookie league. The entire 160 minor league teams instead of 60.
    Not necessarily real names and likeness.

    Yes. That’s what I’m saying. I’m saying most people never even dip in to that pool as it is, so expanding on that would be a waste and clutter the game for no reason.
    And a key clue is the way they phrased it. As minor league rosters. Not teams.
    I’m strongly leaning towards the theory that it’s going to be actual minor leaguers.
    Although my cautious optimism means I’m not pre-ordering until it’s confirmed. After how poorly they managed roster updates last season in favor of just building up DD, if they don’t have full minors out of the box I’m skipping this year.
    I have issues caused by the lack of roster spots. Mostly around the area of injuries and trades. I actually don't want any more playable leagues. That could add even more to the problem. Even just 5 more roster spots would be a massive help.
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    Tbh, I'd have thought it would be pretty possible to negotiate the image rights for the minor league players, if MLB wanted. They all sign contracts with the league anyway, all it would take is an extra line in their contract with an "I agree to let my likeness be used for computer games" or whatever, with the option to voluntarily opt out (like all those contracts you sing up to to join websites where you untick the "I agree to receive emails from our partners" bit)
    I doubt there is anything stopping them putting something like that in there and I doubt many players would opt out if they did (maybe some of the bigger name prospects who's image might actually have a value, but the vast majority don't)
    No idea tbh, but you'd think it was do-able
    tessl
    They previously had only 2 playable minor league teams. Total of 60 teams.
    The A level was just a place to stockpile a few extra players. Full minors could very well be full A, short season A and rookie league. The entire 160 minor league teams instead of 60.
    Not necessarily real names and likeness.

    So one of my thoughts was they just added A ball playable teams..with more spots. but if thats the case which A ball leagues? becuase the florida state league is class A advanced ( like the st. lucie mets where i live) and then teams like tampa yankees jupiter hammerheads etc. are all considered to be the league below AA..thats not all of the teams though so theyd have to pick a league with the west teams to get all the teams completed. so did they just add teams and then which ones?
    tytyboogie
    So one of my thoughts was they just added A ball playable teams..with more spots. but if thats the case which A ball leagues? becuase the florida state league is class A advanced ( like the st. lucie mets where i live) and then teams like tampa yankees jupiter hammerheads etc. are all considered to be the league below AA..thats not all of the teams though so theyd have to pick a league with the west teams to get all the teams completed. so did they just add teams and then which ones?

    It says full minors. That would be all of them if true. I guess we will find out in two weeks on the franchise stream. The challenge would be to program 100 more logos for all those teams.
    BigOscar
    Tbh, I'd have thought it would be pretty possible to negotiate the image rights for the minor league players, if MLB wanted. They all sign contracts with the league anyway, all it would take is an extra line in their contract with an "I agree to let my likeness be used for computer games" or whatever, with the option to voluntarily opt out (like all those contracts you sing up to to join websites where you untick the "I agree to receive emails from our partners" bit)
    I doubt there is anything stopping them putting something like that in there and I doubt many players would opt out if they did (maybe some of the bigger name prospects who's image might actually have a value, but the vast majority don't)
    No idea tbh, but you'd think it was do-able

    Exactly my thoughts. I mean how hard can it be? If they gave you the opportunity to be in a video game why would you say no, when your likeness has virtually zero monetary value as of yet? I mean outside of hardcore fans of the sport, how many casuals actually know who wander franco or Forrest Whitley is???
    Most minor leaguers equipment endorsements are only worth like $10,000-$15,000 Grand outside of the free stuff they get. Now if your barry bonds I get it. Your name carries value and has recognition
    Like others have said, I am skeptical.
    My take is that they are changing the A rosters from 15 extra to 25 extra but they still won't be playable.
    It will be "full" minors like they said as it would be 25 players in A.
    This would also be easily accomplished without having to add rounds to the draft or new uniforms for 30 A level teams.
    Time will tell.
    Funkycorm
    Like others have said, I am skeptical.
    My take is that they are changing the A rosters from 15 extra to 25 extra but they still won't be playable.
    It will be "full" minors like they said as it would be 25 players in A.
    This would also be easily accomplished without having to add rounds to the draft or new uniforms for 30 A level teams.
    Time will tell.

    If this is the case it will be very disappointing and poor wording on their part which lead to the speculation in this thread.
    dubplate
    If this is the case it will be very disappointing and poor wording on their part which lead to the speculation in this thread.

    The wording isn't poor because until it was seen in the gameplay video that there were two minor leaguers with their likeness, there was no speculation that this meant that they were offering up real minor league players.
    I still don't believe we are getting full minor league rosters with real players. I think, and my thought has always been, that they are expanding the roster slots for the minor leagues to increase the organizational roster size from 90 to 100+, which is needed because right now there are too many good players left over in free agency due to the roster constraint that 90 roster spots puts on teams, making it extremely difficult to balance between prospects, role players, journeymen, and MLB Players.
    Like I said, I hope that I'm 100% wrong and its real minor leaguers for those that want it, but I really don't believe that it will be.
    TheBleedingRed21
    I’m sorry but it’s a sad day if adding 10 extra spots is stream highlighting news.
    It has to be more than that, surely.

    I’m excited by it
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    countryboy
    I’m excited by it
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    You are excited by everything with The Show hehe ;)
    In all seriousness, I really do hope we get real minor leaguers, I just want to start my Franchise day one with them lol the 10 extra spots just doesn’t excite me like it should I guess.
    TheBleedingRed21
    You are excited by everything with The Show hehe ;)
    In all seriousness, I really do hope we get real minor leaguers, I just want to start my Franchise day one with them lol the 10 extra spots just doesn’t excite me like it should I guess.

    Well yeah....:)
    But this is something that I've been wanting for years, the expanded roster slots. 10 roster slots means 300 more players find homes in the offseason, thus really cutting down the number of players in free agency when the season starts.
    I'm also hopeful that finally we will see the CPU sign free agents during the season when they make roster moves that take them below the maximum number of roster spots.
    countryboy
    Well yeah....:)
    But this is something that I've been wanting for years, the expanded roster slots. 10 roster slots means 300 more players find homes in the offseason, thus really cutting down the number of players in free agency when the season starts.
    I'm also hopeful that finally we will see the CPU sign free agents during the season when they make roster moves that take them below the maximum number of roster spots.

    I’m really wishing we get both.🤞🏻
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    TheBleedingRed21
    I’m sorry but it’s a sad day if adding 10 extra spots is stream highlighting news.
    It has to be more than that, surely.
    10 extra roster spots would be a huge deal. There are a lot of issues that are caused by the lack of roster spots. Good players languishing in free agency is one. Unrealistic injury rates and a hard cap on injuries is another. Restrictive trade environment is a third.
    10 extra spots wouldn't solve all of the issues, but it could go a long way towards solving them.
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    TheWarmWind
    10 extra roster spots would be a huge deal. There are a lot of issues that are caused by the lack of roster spots. Good players languishing in free agency is one. Unrealistic injury rates and a hard cap on injuries is another. Restrictive trade environment is a third.
    10 extra spots wouldn't solve all of the issues, but it could go a long way towards solving them.
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    True but there is another thing causing free agents going unsigned - team budgets. One of several things they need to adjust when they add more players along with the draft and scouting.
    best case scenario, best of both worlds: 150 man organisations AND real minor leaguers. *fingers crossed* of course this would rival carry-over saves as the biggest thing to happen to the Show, and since carry-overs have been 6-7 years ago, something such as full minors is long overdue IMO
    10 more spots for each team means 300 more new players per historical roster we make.
    Of course, some of them will be career minor leaguers, but in some orgs you had to leave future MLBers out because you plain didn't have the room.
    TheWarmWind
    10 extra roster spots would be a huge deal. There are a lot of issues that are caused by the lack of roster spots. Good players languishing in free agency is one. Unrealistic injury rates and a hard cap on injuries is another. Restrictive trade environment is a third.
    10 extra spots wouldn't solve all of the issues, but it could go a long way towards solving them.
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    Maybe I misspoke, sure.. it would be great and I would like it as well.. however..
    If that’s the big franchise seller for them, color me disappointed. I guess I am just wishing for more.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Maybe I misspoke, sure.. it would be great and I would like it as well.. however..
    If that’s the big franchise seller for them, color me disappointed. I guess I am just wishing for more.

    I think the big franchise seller is the ability to rebrand your team
    That has easily been the biggest ask from the community for years
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    countryboy
    I think the big franchise seller is the ability to rebrand your team
    That has easily been the biggest ask from the community for years
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    Sigh.. I’m referring to them highlighting it in the developer schedule. Typically, it’s their “selling” points that are highlighted. Hence my statement. I didn’t say it’s their only selling point.
    Moving on from this discussion, hope everyone gets what they want :)
    TheBleedingRed21
    Sigh.. I’m referring to them highlighting it in the developer schedule. Typically, it’s their “selling” points that are highlighted. Hence my statement. I didn’t say it’s their only selling point.
    Moving on from this discussion, hope everyone gets what they want :)

    You said “the big franchise seller” like it was their main selling point.
    I didn’t say you said it was their only selling point just provided my opinion as to what I felt the big franchise seller was for this year.
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    countryboy
    You said “the big franchise seller” like it was their main selling point.
    I didn’t say you said it was their only selling point just provided my opinion as to what I felt the big franchise seller was for this year.
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    Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up, but these "little" changes and additions seem like the tip of the iceberg for a fully reinvigorated franchise mode in 2021.
    MLamm
    Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up, but these "little" changes and additions seem like the tip of the iceberg for a fully reinvigorated franchise mode in 2021.

    People have been saying for years “next year I think they will fully reinvent franchise mode”
    I don’t know why people still buy into that, count me in the group of preparing for nothing exciting and believing it when I see it
    MLamm
    Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up, but these "little" changes and additions seem like the tip of the iceberg for a fully reinvigorated franchise mode in 2021.

    I think it’s fair to get your hopes up.
    Rebranding/Relocation is easily the biggest ask of the franchise community as a whole and it is in this year
    If full minor league roster is additional slots, that has been a request of the “hardcore” franchise community for a while now.
    I know I’ve said it before and people are skeptical but in talking with the devs they want a lot of what the community does
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    countryboy
    I think it’s fair to get your hopes up.
    Rebranding/Relocation is easily the biggest ask of the franchise community as a whole and it is in this year
    If full minor league roster is additional slots, that has been a request of the “hardcore” franchise community for a while now.
    I know I’ve said it before and people are skeptical but in talking with the devs they want a lot of what the community does
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    To be fair, relocation "rebranding" has to be more in depth then just an edit of the team name and team location.
    Can the cpu do it? Will there be a new stadium? Will weather be different based on the location? Will there be realignment of divisions if you move an east coast team west?
    Those are all things that make it a true franchise feature. When they added real salaries and touted it as a big feature, it was nothing that we as an end user couldn't already do through roster edits. Logic changes were needed to make it a true feature and that never was implemented. Players make more in arbitration than free agency. After an existing contract is up they sign for less in their prime than the real life contracts.
    As far as full minors I am hoping for more teams and roster spots. Although real player likenesses would be nice, it is similiar to real contracts, the end user can edit the rosters.
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    tabarnes19
    To be fair, relocation "rebranding" has to be more in depth then just an edit of the team name and team location.
    Can the cpu do it? Will there be a new stadium? Will weather be different based on the location? Will there be realignment of divisions if you move an east coast team west?
    Those are all things that make it a true franchise feature. When they added real salaries and touted it as a big feature, it was nothing that we as an end user couldn't already do through roster edits. Logic changes were needed to make it a true feature and that never was implemented. Players make more in arbitration than free agency. After an existing contract is up they sign for less in their prime than the real life contracts.
    As far as full minors I am hoping for more teams and roster spots. Although real player likenesses would be nice, it is similiar to real contracts, the end user can edit the rosters.
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    While we don’t know how in depth it is right now, it is a start and something that can be built upon in the coming years.
    If it wasn’t in people would be up in arms that it’s not in.
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    There have been alot of features that have been added and we have hoped would be expanded.
    1. Top prospect list
    2. Trade finder
    3. Real salaries
    4. Updated budget
    5. Morale system
    All of the above need logic rewrites to make the mode effective. In all honesty many of them are purely cosmetic and have no impact on the experience.
    Top prospect is just a rating/potential tag
    Salaries is just a spreadsheet they added real salary to starting roster.
    The budget system is very complex when if the attempt was to make more user friendly is in fact more complicated. I have yet to see any news outlet explain team budgets or player salary in weekly terms. Shouldn't need a calculator to figure out what the budget is and what is available to spend.
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    tabarnes19
    There have been alot of features that have been added and we have hoped would be expanded.
    1. Top prospect list
    2. Trade finder
    3. Real salaries
    4. Updated budget
    5. Morale system
    All of the above need logic rewrites to make the mode effective. In all honesty many of them are purely cosmetic and have no impact on the experience.
    Top prospect is just a rating/potential tag
    Salaries is just a spreadsheet they added real salary to starting roster.
    The budget system is very complex when if the attempt was to make more user friendly is in fact more complicated. I have yet to see any news outlet explain team budgets or player salary in weekly terms. Shouldn't need a calculator to figure out what the budget is and what is available to spend.
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    Ok thanks for sharing all of that.
    All I said was that Rebranding/Relocation was easily the most requested feature for franchise by the community as a whole.
    Not sure how we got to this point, but feel free to continue on your own.
    countryboy
    Ok thanks for sharing all of that.
    All I said was that Rebranding/Relocation was easily the most requested feature for franchise by the community as a whole.
    Not sure how we got to this point, but feel free to continue on your own.
    I don't understand why you are defensive. In no way did I insult your view or disagree. What I stated was that there have been features that are requested and to "assume" they will be expanded on would be naive.
    Although relocation has been requested I believe that the most requested feature has been expansion.
    Carry on.
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    tabarnes19
    I don't understand why you are defensive. In no way did I insult your view or disagree. What I stated was that there have been features that are requested and to "assume" they will be expanded on would be naive.
    Although relocation has been requested I believe that the most requested feature has been expansion.
    Carry on.
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    I'm not defensive at all.
    Just you took my comment in a direction that I had no intention of going because I know nothing of the depth of the feature, other than what is listed on Livestream schedule.
    I have no interest in discussing speculation
    orioles0615
    People have been saying for years “next year I think they will fully reinvent franchise mode”
    I don’t know why people still buy into that, count me in the group of preparing for nothing exciting and believing it when I see it

    2021 is when the game will be out for the ps5, that is why I am buying into it. I think that with the new console the devs will have a ton of pressure to dive deeper into all of the game modes, not just franchise.
    countryboy
    I still don't believe we are getting full minor league rosters with real players. I think, and my thought has always been, that they are expanding the roster slots for the minor leagues to increase the organizational roster size from 90 to 100+, which is needed because right now there are too many good players left over in free agency due to the roster constraint that 90 roster spots puts on teams, making it extremely difficult to balance between prospects, role players, journeymen, and MLB Players.

    Wonder if this will fix the Franchise glitch where players retire....fingers crossed....but anyway...
    SDS won't even pony up for a Nike check on catcher's equipment, do you really think they will spend the money on being able to add ACTUAL MINOR league player likeness? This game makes them SO MUCH money. It's a shame they don't spend some of it to make the game as authentic as possible.
    Here's a thought...LET US CUSTOMIZE WHATEVER WE WANT. WHERE'S DESIGN-A-GLOVE/CLEAT? 2K can figure it out...why can't SDS? Why are we forced to choose between 3 team colors and a slew of over-saturated, off colors like OLIVE and TEAL...we can make whatever color we want in DD? How hard can it be to implement that into the rest of the game? Super Mega Baseball lets you do it...why can't SDS? Where is their money being spent?????
    Expect this post to be deleted since it's off-topic (sort of) but hey, since it's Super Bowl Sunday...let's make a prop bet for the upcoming streams.
    Over/Under how many times Ramone refers to the "STYLE GUIDE" that is treated like the Holy Bible?
    kehlis
    Yes, this is the area where it get's dangerous for them.
    The likeness doesn't have to be there to exonerate them from a lawsuit. NCAA got in trouble because they made it so obvious that they were creating college athletes.
    Without the likeness, they have a better defense if they were to be sued, but if they re-create names and attributes for enough people, not having the likeness probably wouldn't be enough.
    And I can't see them seeing that as a risk they're willing to take.

    I remember years ago 2k used to have top prospects in the game, but they’d change their names and just have the same initials, for instance Pete Alonso would have been something like Phil Alvarez and they couldn’t even get away with that and had to stop
    TheWarmWind
    10 extra roster spots would be a huge deal. There are a lot of issues that are caused by the lack of roster spots. Good players languishing in free agency is one. Unrealistic injury rates and a hard cap on injuries is another. Restrictive trade environment is a third.
    10 extra spots wouldn't solve all of the issues, but it could go a long way towards solving them.
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    Are the good players sitting in free agency due to a lack of roster spots or just bad roster logic? When I see teams carrying a 49 rated C prospect with good players available in free agency I get the feeling more roster spots won’t fix the problem
    tabarnes19
    To be fair, relocation "rebranding" has to be more in depth then just an edit of the team name and team location.
    Can the cpu do it? Will there be a new stadium? Will weather be different based on the location? Will there be realignment of divisions if you move an east coast team west?
    Those are all things that make it a true franchise feature. When they added real salaries and touted it as a big feature, it was nothing that we as an end user couldn't already do through roster edits. Logic changes were needed to make it a true feature and that never was implemented. Players make more in arbitration than free agency. After an existing contract is up they sign for less in their prime than the real life contracts.
    As far as full minors I am hoping for more teams and roster spots. Although real player likenesses would be nice, it is similiar to real contracts, the end user can edit the rosters.
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    There are dozens of stadiums in the game to choose from. Weather is already in the game and will remain. Realignment is unlikely to occur. I like the NL Central. I'm going to relocate a NL Central team to somewhere in the Midwest.
    It's a fantastic addition. The ability to create your own team name, uniforms and logos and be the owner/GM/Manager of the team. In effect you become Connie Mack.
    tessl
    There are dozens of stadiums in the game to choose from. Weather is already in the game and will remain. Realignment is unlikely to occur. I like the NL Central. I'm going to relocate a NL Central team to somewhere in the Midwest.
    It's a fantastic addition. The ability to create your own team name, uniforms and logos and be the owner/GM/Manager of the team. In effect you become Connie Mack.
    I've never played in a stadium other than the default.
    If you switch stadiums before a game does it reflect the weather of that stadium? I.e. Yankees home game before the game I play in LA in April. Will it be NY weather or LA?
    I'm not saying that it will not be a nice feature. What I am saying is the logic needs to accompany it or its superficial.
    Currently I can add sponsorships in franchise but the CPU can't. I don't use it because it is an advantage that the cpu doesn't/can't utilize.
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    b22gamer
    Wonder if this will fix the Franchise glitch where players retire....fingers crossed....but anyway...
    SDS won't even pony up for a Nike check on catcher's equipment, do you really think they will spend the money on being able to add ACTUAL MINOR league player likeness? This game makes them SO MUCH money. It's a shame they don't spend some of it to make the game as authentic as possible.
    Here's a thought...LET US CUSTOMIZE WHATEVER WE WANT. WHERE'S DESIGN-A-GLOVE/CLEAT? 2K can figure it out...why can't SDS? Why are we forced to choose between 3 team colors and a slew of over-saturated, off colors like OLIVE and TEAL...we can make whatever color we want in DD? How hard can it be to implement that into the rest of the game? Super Mega Baseball lets you do it...why can't SDS? Where is their money being spent?????
    Expect this post to be deleted since it's off-topic (sort of) but hey, since it's Super Bowl Sunday...let's make a prop bet for the upcoming streams.
    Over/Under how many times Ramone refers to the "STYLE GUIDE" that is treated like the Holy Bible?

    Agreed, I don’t understand why things like batting gloves and cleats have team colors 1,2,3 but fielding gloves don’t.
    And Nike catchers equipment has been killing me for years that we still don’t have it in the game!!!
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    The Kid 24
    Agreed, I don’t understand why things like batting gloves and cleats have team colors 1,2,3 but fielding gloves don’t.

    How many fielders do you know change their glove based on the color of their uniform that day?
    reyes the roof
    Are the good players sitting in free agency due to a lack of roster spots or just bad roster logic? When I see teams carrying a 49 rated C prospect with good players available in free agency I get the feeling more roster spots won’t fix the problem

    It's mostly due to roster spots, which is tied to finances.
    Its difficult, and I have this issue as well as a user, to balance a roster with MLB players, top prospects, journeymen, and role players.
    If they are expanding rosters (adding roster slots) then they've had to work on the finances to handle those extra spots per team.
    countryboy
    It's mostly due to roster spots, which is tied to finances.
    Its difficult, and I have this issue as well as a user, to balance a roster with MLB players, top prospects, journeymen, and role players.
    If they are expanding rosters (adding roster slots) then they've had to work on the finances to handle those extra spots per team.
    I don't know man, I would have thought they would have reworked the finances last year when they introduced real salaries, but didn't. I don't have any hopes it gets fixed now. I sure hope to be wrong though.
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    countryboy
    It's mostly due to roster spots, which is tied to finances.
    Its difficult, and I have this issue as well as a user, to balance a roster with MLB players, top prospects, journeymen, and role players.
    If they are expanding rosters (adding roster slots) then they've had to work on the finances to handle those extra spots per team.

    But if they just increase the budget to add however many minor leaguers they’re adding, that won’t really help the free agent problem. Let’s say full minors means a 25 man single A team instead of ten players, you’re probably looking at a $1-2 million budget increase to add 15 single A players.
    tabarnes19
    I've never played in a stadium other than the default.
    If you switch stadiums before a game does it reflect the weather of that stadium? I.e. Yankees home game before the game I play in LA in April. Will it be NY weather or LA?
    I'm not saying that it will not be a nice feature. What I am saying is the logic needs to accompany it or its superficial.
    Currently I can add sponsorships in franchise but the CPU can't. I don't use it because it is an advantage that the cpu doesn't/can't utilize.
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    Not sure but aside from rain and wind does weather affect gameplay? One way to find out would be to play a Cubs home game in early April in old Miami ballpark and see what the temperature is. If it's 90 degrees you know you aren't getting Chicago weather.
    I've been alternating between Old Miami, Shea and old Atlanta to determine which stadium I want to use for my relocated franchise. The older classic ballparks are great but they are all too quirky to use in franchise.
    tessl
    Not sure but aside from rain and wind does weather affect gameplay? One way to find out would be to play a Cubs home game in early April in old Miami ballpark and see what the temperature is. If it's 90 degrees you know you aren't getting Chicago weather.
    I've been alternating between Old Miami, Shea and old Atlanta to determine which stadium I want to use for my relocated franchise. The older classic ballparks are great but they are all too quirky to use in franchise.
    It doesn't bother me, but there are numerous people here on the board who get upset about the weather with fans and players wearing long sleeve in MIN in July.
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    reyes the roof
    Are the good players sitting in free agency due to a lack of roster spots or just bad roster logic? When I see teams carrying a 49 rated C prospect with good players available in free agency I get the feeling more roster spots won’t fix the problem
    Even if it is true and more roster spots doesn't help solve the free agency issue, it will still help solve a restrictive trade environment and injuries.
    I'll take it.
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    kehlis
    How many fielders do you know change their glove based on the color of their uniform that day?

    That wasn’t what I’m talking about... I meant for guys who use red fielding gloves, the red color option in color selection is SUPER dark, looks terrible.
    Give us those same color options for fielding gloves.
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    I also really hope that with the possibility of “Full Minors” that we can finally edit secondary positions fully, no more set positions that we have to choose from, give us the option to put whatever positions we want for players
    tabarnes19
    I've never played in a stadium other than the default.
    If you switch stadiums before a game does it reflect the weather of that stadium? I.e. Yankees home game before the game I play in LA in April. Will it be NY weather or LA?
    I'm not saying that it will not be a nice feature. What I am saying is the logic needs to accompany it or its superficial.
    Currently I can add sponsorships in franchise but the CPU can't. I don't use it because it is an advantage that the cpu doesn't/can't utilize.
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    If you do 30 team control you can give the other teams sponsorships.
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    PhilliesFan13
    If you do 30 team control you can give the other teams sponsorships.
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    I have. But I give everyone the same to keep everyone on fair playing field. Much rather have it dynamic.
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    tabarnes19
    I have. But I give everyone the same to keep everyone on fair playing field. Much rather have it dynamic.
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    I based the sponsorships on market size. So you can make it dynamic. But I agree....the less micro management we have to do for the CPU the better. But this has been the bane of all sports games on the console. The CPU always has some holes in the AI.
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    On potentially interesting part of Full minors (in the case that it's likenesses of real guys and not more minor-league roster spots) is that SDS likely won't have to take out guys who've already been scanned if they're out of the league.
    For some reason I can't think of a better example, but someone like Tim Lincecum appearing in the FA section with a generic/editable face, could still have his face scan despite not being on a team's 40 man roster. You can take a look at the yearly threads for guys that are missing from the game, and they could still be in the game with face scans this time around.
    b22gamer
    Wonder if this will fix the Franchise glitch where players retire....fingers crossed....but anyway...
    SDS won't even pony up for a Nike check on catcher's equipment, do you really think they will spend the money on being able to add ACTUAL MINOR league player likeness? This game makes them SO MUCH money. It's a shame they don't spend some of it to make the game as authentic as possible.
    Here's a thought...LET US CUSTOMIZE WHATEVER WE WANT. WHERE'S DESIGN-A-GLOVE/CLEAT? 2K can figure it out...why can't SDS? Why are we forced to choose between 3 team colors and a slew of over-saturated, off colors like OLIVE and TEAL...we can make whatever color we want in DD? How hard can it be to implement that into the rest of the game? Super Mega Baseball lets you do it...why can't SDS? Where is their money being spent?????
    Expect this post to be deleted since it's off-topic (sort of) but hey, since it's Super Bowl Sunday...let's make a prop bet for the upcoming streams.
    Over/Under how many times Ramone refers to the "STYLE GUIDE" that is treated like the Holy Bible?

    If they pony up for minor league likenesses, that’s gonna be a whole new collection to complete in DD. Which is more stubs revenue for them, where they make their real money. You can bet there’s gonna be a Aaa collection, AA collection etc incentive in DD. So it’s a little different than a Nike swoosh as in it’ll generate direct revenue.
    tabarnes19
    It doesn't bother me, but there are numerous people here on the board who get upset about the weather with fans and players wearing long sleeve in MIN in July.
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    I understand that. Just for fun I started a franchise with an East coast team and played a game in a West coast ballpark - Oakland. The time on the scoreboard indicated I was in the Eastern time zone.
    Just a guess - could be wrong - but I think whatever team you choose to relocate is the time zone and weather you will still have regardless of where you relocate to. The fun part will be the ability to have your own creation on the field.
    People are always going to complain. If they have indeed added 100 minor league teams I can only imagine how many complaints there will be about the logos not being exactly correct.
    tessl
    I understand that. Just for fun I started a franchise with an East coast team and played a game in a West coast ballpark - Oakland. The time on the scoreboard indicated I was in the Eastern time zone.
    Just a guess - could be wrong - but I think whatever team you choose to relocate is the time zone and weather you will still have regardless of where you relocate to. The fun part will be the ability to have your own creation on the field.
    People are always going to complain. If they have indeed added 100 minor league teams I can only imagine how many complaints there will be about the logos not being exactly correct.

    This made me LOL.
    tessl
    I understand that. Just for fun I started a franchise with an East coast team and played a game in a West coast ballpark - Oakland. The time on the scoreboard indicated I was in the Eastern time zone.
    Just a guess - could be wrong - but I think whatever team you choose to relocate is the time zone and weather you will still have regardless of where you relocate to. The fun part will be the ability to have your own creation on the field.

    People are always going to complain. If they have indeed added 100 minor league teams I can only imagine how many complaints there will be about the logos not being exactly correct.

    Im gonna disagree with you here. Just because that happened has no correlation to weather and time with a rebranded team in 20 because relocation hasnt been in a game yet.
    If anything, I think it shows that weather and time will be based off of whatever city the home team is from. Regardless, this 100% does show that you have to be careful about what stadium you choose (ex. You cant move a team to Colorado and choose Yankee Stadium and expect normal power hitting stats).
    kehlis
    How many fielders do you know change their glove based on the color of their uniform that day?

    there are players that have home/away gloves much like cleats/batting gloves/arm bands etc...
    but that's not the point...the point is that MLBTS franchise is a money machine yet they neglect to fix simple things like color and gear. All the money from DD goes where...?...corny commercials? I appreciate the dev streams because they finally give us as a community the ability to SEE what goes on...but when questions are posed that don't fit the narrative of what they are doing they go unanswered or default to the 'style guide'...just ONCE I want one of these nerds to explain to me why it's so hard to change the aesthetics or why there are certain slots for cleats/gloves/bats etc. Like why are we restricted to X amount? Just once....explain why....
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad. :(
    :)
    countryboy
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad. :(
    :)

    Well tbf, real minor leaguers doesn't really gain us anything other than being able to start straight away instead of after maybe a month, due to the insane work from the OSFM guys. The extra slots on the other hand is a plus no matter which way you look at it. (both would be a nice combo though!)
    countryboy
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad. :(
    :)
    Agreed. We can edit rosters.
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    countryboy
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad.

    Yeah I'm determined to keep trucking with my 2014 carry over. I've also discovered that I tend to connect a lot better with fictional players, while also getting less upset when results don't meet my expectations, so if I ever were to start a new franchise, it's highly likely I'd go fictional. It's easier to handle these players without any real life bias.
    I'd be happy for the sake of other Show lovers, but real minor league players is next to useless for me personally.
    A topic that hasnt be disscussed with this yet is how having real minors would be a benefit for the March to october mode. It seems like they are pushing that alittle more and attempting to improve it and having teams trade for real prospects or do real call ups will just improve the mode.
    I would like March to October to be more customizable. Use custom rosters and sliders. If this is the direction they want franchise to go needs to be an experience that has all the franchise options in a condensed format.
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    countryboy
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad. :(
    :)

    Same here. I’m hoping it’s additional roster slots.
    countryboy
    I know I'm likely in the extreme minority, or quite possibly alone in this opinion, but if this turns out to be only real minor leaguers in the game and doesn't include additional roster slots, I'm going to be sad. :(
    :)

    Honestly I hope it is more roster slots, like full 25 man for A than full minor leaguers. I don't even care if A is playable or not, give us full A and then 15 extra slots labeled rookie ball.
    Funkycorm
    Honestly I hope it is more roster slots, like full 25 man for A than full minor leaguers. I don't even care if A is playable or not, give us full A and then 15 extra slots labeled rookie ball.

    This is my hope :)
    This would definitely get me back buying The Show yearly if true. If they would just add more MILB roster spots, even if they didnt add more playable MILB teams, would get me to come back to The Show, instead of going the OOTP route. I miss playing MLBTS, but Franchise had gotten to stale to me, and I felt not enough time was being put into that side of the game, so I quit buying. But if some of the things, Im hearing ends up being true, I will definitely be buying it on day 1.
    I am willing to bet a paycheck that full minor league rosters is exactly how it's stated. A full sized minor league roster. If the player likenesses and names were included, they probably would have said that. They didn't. Their wording was very direct. I hope I'm wrong.
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    Padgoi
    I am willing to bet a paycheck that full minor league rosters is exactly how it's stated. A full sized minor league roster. If the player likenesses and names were included, they probably would have said that. They didn't. Their wording was very direct. I hope I'm wrong.
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    Doesn’t explain the minor leaguers in the trailer though.
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    Padgoi
    I am willing to bet a paycheck that full minor league rosters is exactly how it's stated. A full sized minor league roster. If the player likenesses and names were included, they probably would have said that. They didn't. Their wording was very direct. I hope I'm wrong.
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    Would you be willing to give me 3 to 1 odds??? 🤣🤣🤣
    I have a question. I freely admit I'm a little slow.
    Has SDS announced full minors or is this entire thread speculation based upon something someone saw in a promotional video?
    dickey1331
    Doesn’t explain the minor leaguers in the trailer though.
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    Therebelyell626
    Would you be willing to give me 3 to 1 odds??? 🤣🤣🤣

    tessl
    I have a question. I freely admit I'm a little slow.
    Has SDS announced full minors or is this entire thread speculation based upon something someone saw in a promotional video?

    One of their promos said full minor rosters.
    Padgoi
    One of their promos said full minor rosters.

    This isn't really true, it wasn't a promotional video or even a promo.
    It was their livestream schedule that started this conversation.
    tessl
    I have a question. I freely admit I'm a little slow.
    Has SDS announced full minors or is this entire thread speculation based upon something someone saw in a promotional video?

    For true context, start with this thread when the schedule was released:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show/963675-mlb-show-20-developer-livestream-schedule-revealed.html
    Full Minors is in the schedule to be discussed, but as you can see, no one actually anticipated actual players (most anticipated additional roster spots) until towards the end of the thread when a few video's popped up that showed minor league players in the game.
    That's what sparked this article and thread.

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