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MLB The Show 18 Video - Bat Flips

MLB The Show 18

MLB The Show 18 Video - Bat Flips

Check out the latest MLB The Show 18 video. This one featuring some of the bat flips you will see in the game.

FYI, the bat flips seen in this video are specific to Create a Player and Road to the Show, they aren’t in the randomizer either.

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  1. I honestly can't believe they wasted more than ten minutes of their time adding such a ridiculous feature. I mean, does anyone really want this over say... I don't know....maybe better gameplay or correct uniform colors or a better challenge system or more realistic ball curve or.........
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    Chiphof2018
    Are you kidding me? So much lacking from this game and they spend time on this? Completely unrealistic and useless.

    Padgoi
    I honestly can't believe they wasted more than ten minutes of their time adding such a ridiculous feature. I mean, does anyone really want this over say... I don't know....maybe better gameplay or correct uniform colors or a better challenge system or more realistic ball curve or.........
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    One of the aspects of a video game is that its supposed to be fun and that is what these over the top bat flips and home run celebrations bring to the game.
    People looking for a true simulation may not want to use these in their franchise, season, or whatnot, but I can definitely see an audience that only plays RTTS or DD and that is looking for a more arcade/casual experience having a blast with these.
    There is a broader audience at play than just the true hardcore sim gamer. :)
    countryboy
    One of the aspects of a video game is that its supposed to be fun and that is what these over the top bat flips and home run celebrations bring to the game.
    People looking for a true simulation may not want to use these in their franchise, season, or whatnot, but I can definitely see an audience that only plays RTTS or DD and that is looking for a more arcade/casual experience having a blast with these.
    There is a broader audience at play than just the true hardcore sim gamer. :)

    ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
    This game isn't just for us weirdos at OS.
    As long as they're not overused this doesn't bother me. Some are funny, some are cool, it's still just a video game, and I doubt they really spent much time on these at all. I'm not getting worked up over this.
    This isn’t an arcade game. Until they can get gameplay, animations, correct equipment etc correct there shouldn’t be resources spent on something like this. There’s too much that still needs MAJOR improvement for time to be wasted on arcade NFL blitz style bat flips.
    Chiphof2018
    This isn’t an arcade game. Until they can get gameplay, animations, correct equipment etc correct there shouldn’t be resources spent on something like this. There’s too much that still needs MAJOR improvement for time to be wasted on arcade NFL blitz style bat flips.

    Well it certainly isn't a 1000% accurate simulation portrayal of real life, either. So...here we are. With card collecting, ridiculous bat flips, retro mode, three-inning games, legends...
    ninertravel
    MLB won't let them put in charging the mount (even if it's a little timied) yet they allow and encourage this which would create Brawls in the real world??

    Which this isn't...it's a video game.
    Chiphof2018
    This isn’t an arcade game. Until they can get gameplay, animations, correct equipment etc correct there shouldn’t be resources spent on something like this. There’s too much that still needs MAJOR improvement for time to be wasted on arcade NFL blitz style bat flips.

    Actually it is an arcade game in a sense. It is a game that plays both arcade and simulation, depending on the user playing the game.
    I consider DD to be an arcade type of game where you are collecting cards, upgrading players, and playing 3 innings of baseball. Nothing about that is "simulation" baseball.
    You can put the game on rookie, adjust sliders in your favor, in order to get a more arcade experience, where you belting monster homeruns, striking out a majority of batters, and completely dominating the CPU. That isn't simulation.
    This game caters to both the casual/arcade crowd as well as the hardcore/simulation crowd. And that is what is makes The Show so great, that it can be one or the other depending on who is playing the game.
    Chiphof2018
    This isn’t an arcade game. Until they can get gameplay, animations, correct equipment etc correct there shouldn’t be resources spent on something like this. There’s too much that still needs MAJOR improvement for time to be wasted on arcade NFL blitz style bat flips.

    If you don't like them then don't use them. Simple
    nemesis04
    Reminds me of when the 2k series introduced showboat catches. It's not my cup of tea but I bet these will be flooded during online play.

    In 2K, I could rocket up the Green Monster to rob a home run.
    But these aren't arcade games.
    TripleCrown9
    Which this isn't...it's a video game.

    you missed the point... I know it is a video game.. then why wasn't it ok for MLB to allowed charging??? because it encourages it in the real world apparently
    TripleCrown9
    Well it certainly isn't a 1000% accurate simulation portrayal of real life, either. So...here we are. With card collecting, ridiculous bat flips, retro mode, three-inning games, legends...

    Agreed. This franchise needs a breath of fresh air from people that actually know the game of baseball and putting out a quality, realistic baseball game.
    Chiphof2018
    Agreed. This franchise needs a breath of fresh air from people that actually know the game of baseball and putting out a quality, realistic baseball game.
    Fade2Black40
    If you don't like them then don't use them. Simple

    I won’t, most wont. Time was taken away from improving the actual game to put this nonsense in. That’s the argument. You’ve got things that are still incorrect from 5 years ago in the game but arcade bat flips were made a priority to add.
    Chiphof2018
    I won’t, most wont. Time was taken away from improving the actual game to put this nonsense in. That’s the argument. You’ve got things that are still incorrect from 5 years ago in the game but arcade bar flips were made a priority to add.

    Dude.....it isn't that serious.
    Chiphof2018
    I won’t, most wont. Time was taken away from improving the actual game to put this nonsense in. That’s the argument. You’ve got things that are still incorrect from 5 years ago in the game but arcade bar flips were made a priority to add.

    There is absolutely no way for you to know this.
    This game isn't made just for OS members.
    612,000 people bought MLB 17 in the first week.
    TripleCrown9
    There is absolutely no way for you to know this.
    This game isn't made just for OS members.
    612,000 people bought MLB 17 in the first week.

    Exactly. They're not just making this product for the hardcores.
    Fade2Black40
    Exactly. They're not just making this product for the hardcores.

    Where do you think they get wishlists from???
    over and over again they say 'this was the number 1 most requested feature' so twitter facebook??? Casual players of this game wouldn't be bothering making the wishlists or asking for things
    ninertravel
    Where do you think they get wishlists from???
    over and over again they say 'this was the number 1 most requested feature' so twitter facebook??? Casual players of this game wouldn't be bothering making the wishlists or asking for things

    So because you made a wishlist you think they should just gear it towards you? GTFOH.
    ninertravel
    Where do you think they get wishlists from???
    over and over again they say 'this was the number 1 most requested feature' so twitter facebook??? Casual players of this game wouldn't be bothering making the wishlists or asking for things

    Hold on...because they're casual, they can't have things they'd like to see?
    Alrighty then.
    I'm a casual basketball gamer, and I honestly thought I had things I'd like to see. Guess I was incorrect.
    I can't believe they spent a couple of hours doing mo cap for this when they could have used that couple of hours to program a fully comprehensive create a stadium and expansion mode. Smh.
    Nero84
    I can't believe they spent a couple of hours doing mo cap for this when they could have used that couple of hours to program a fully comprehensive create a stadium and expansion mode. Smh.

    I can't believe you think the same group that mo-capped the bat flips is the same group that would work on create-a-stadium and expansion.
    Chiphof2018
    Agreed. This franchise needs a breath of fresh air from people that actually know the game of baseball and putting out a quality, realistic baseball game.

    You do realize that Chris Gill, Senior Producer, played professional baseball right? He also coached college ball at Long Beach State, and was a scout.
    Nero84
    I can't believe they spent a couple of hours doing mo cap for this when they could have used that couple of hours to program a fully comprehensive create a stadium and expansion mode. Smh.

    TripleCrown9
    I can't believe you think the same group that mo-capped the bat flips is the same group that would work on create-a-stadium and expansion.

    I could be wrong, but I think he was being sarcastic.
    TripleCrown9
    Hold on...because they're casual, they can't have things they'd like to see?
    Alrighty then.
    I'm a casual basketball gamer, and I honestly thought I had things I'd like to see. Guess I was incorrect.

    I thought the argument was OS guys like us are not casual sports game players?? therefore what we ask for doesn't matter.
    the casual sports game players don't care about build a stadium or franchise stuff. they just wanna start a online game mostly against a stranger, and don't care what the rosters look like.
    ninertravel
    you missed the point... I know it is a video game.. then why wasn't it ok for MLB to allowed charging??? because it encourages it in the real world apparently

    Because charging the mound depicts violence in the sport and they would rather not have that be showcased in a video game.
    This is just flair. Sure in real life it may lead to a brawl, but in the video game that aspect isn't shown, therefore its not an issue.
    ninertravel
    I thought the argument was OS guys like us are not casual sports game players?? therefore what we ask for doesn't matter.
    the casual sports game players don't care about build a stadium or franchise stuff. they just wanna start a online game mostly against a stranger, and don't care what the rosters look like.

    OS is one of a handful of vocal minorities. Casual gamers would suggest 3-inning games. Casual gamers would suggest retro mode. Casual gamers would suggest over-the-top celebrations.
    Are people really complaining about this? Yeah it's a little cheese and chintzy, some of them are probably downright silly/stupid. But I can't imagine this took more than a wee little chunk of time. They had the OF celebrations last year. This year, the silly little thing seems to be the bat flips. It's really a whatever thing. I'll never use 90% of those, but I also can't imagine something as extra as a baseball stadium editor was left out over mo-capping someone pretending their baseball bat was a lightsaber.
    "Hey, Luis, we gonna' be able to do that whole big stadium thing?"
    "Nah. I gotta pretend to spike this baseball bat."
    ninertravel
    I thought the argument was OS guys like us are not casual sports game players?? therefore what we ask for doesn't matter.
    the casual sports game players don't care about build a stadium or franchise stuff. they just wanna start a online game mostly against a stranger, and don't care what the rosters look like.

    Thats not entirely true, as you're painting causal gamers with too broad of a brush.
    I have plenty of friends who are casual gamers when it comes to playing the Show. They care about rosters and even play season/franchise/RTTS. They don't care about some of the hardcore things the OS community might (uniform colors, proper tags, proper windups, etc..) but they do enjoy playing the game of baseball and will mess with things such as this and create a stadium or expansion mode if they were in the game.
    I just want to clarify, that I actually don't care about the bat flips as they are optional. SDS are great in the way that they are not a EA and take features out and recycle them every 5 years.
    I was more pointing out the double standards that the reason they can't put animations in for charging the Mound was because the MLB won't let them.
    Yet they are allowed to put in over the top animations that would no doubt 100% encourage all in brawls in the MLB. and the argument is 'we don't want kids seeing that in a video game monkey see monkey do' well now we can have kids doing this in real life now for a brawl in the MLB.
    Also they get their wish lists and requests for us OS guys the hardcore guys. that is why their is rain delays this year. they didn't just decide to put it in they actually read our posts.
    It's hilarious that people are getting so worked up over this.
    I myself have serious gripes with color inaccuracies, uniform errors, and player models BUT not for one second do I think they weren't worked on or were neglected just because they decided to add some extraneous bat flip animations into the game.
    ninertravel
    I just want to clarify, that I actually don't care about the bat flips as they are optional. SDS are great in the way that they are not a EA and take features out and recycle them every 5 years.
    I was more pointing out the double standards that the reason they can't put animations in for charging the Mound was because the MLB won't let them.
    Yet they are allowed to put in over the top animations that would no doubt 100% encourage all in brawls in the MLB. and the argument is 'we don't want kids seeing that in a video game monkey see monkey do' well now we can have kids doing this in real life now for a brawl in the MLB.
    Also they get their wish lists and requests for us OS guys the hardcore guys. that is why their is rain delays this year. they didn't just decide to put it in they actually read our posts.

    Actually it has nothing to do with monkey see monkey do, but rather not wanting to promote a certain player as a "fighter" "hot head" or something along the sort.
    OS doesn't just contain hardcore gamers of baseball. I'm sure there are plenty of casual gamers on OS that play the Show.
    countryboy
    Because charging the mound depicts violence in the sport and they would rather not have that be showcased in a video game.
    This is just flair. Sure in real life it may lead to a brawl, but in the video game that aspect isn't shown, therefore its not an issue.

    yet when a brawl happens it is show 4 billion times on ESPN over and over again discussing it for everyone to see. what the show was going to be was very Timid from what Ramone said.
    ninertravel
    yet when a brawl happens it is show 4 billion times on ESPN over and over again discussing it for everyone to see. what the show was going to be was very Timid from what Ramone said.

    I'm not disagreeing with you in that regard.
    You asked why MLB won't allow it in the video game, I explained the reasons as to why, that I picked up over the years. :)
    I think the fighting thing is to keep MLB looking like a family oriented sport that fans of all ages can watch. Of course brawls and fights happen but MLB won't promote those incidents. That's not what they're about.
    countryboy
    One of the aspects of a video game is that its supposed to be fun and that is what these over the top bat flips and home run celebrations bring to the game.
    People looking for a true simulation may not want to use these in their franchise, season, or whatnot, but I can definitely see an audience that only plays RTTS or DD and that is looking for a more arcade/casual experience having a blast with these.
    There is a broader audience at play than just the true hardcore sim gamer. :)
    I understand that, Ted (I have no idea what your name is but Ted sounds good). The point I'm trying to make is that they shouldn't have wasted too many of their already minute resources to add something that doesn't really bring much to the game. Everyone is always defending them as not having enough resources to add certain things like create a stadium and the challenge system, but instead they're wasting those same resources on bat flips. I know there are arcade users to satisfy as well, but for something like this, it seems like a complete and utter waste. Let's stop giving them the benefit of the doubt in terms of their already limited resources and start calling them out on adding miniscule features that almost no one asked for or cares about.
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    countryboy
    I'm not disagreeing with you in that regard.
    You asked why MLB won't allow it in the video game, I explained the reasons as to why, that I picked up over the years. :)

    Oh I know why they don't allow it... my query really is why the hell are they allowing bat flips?
    After what happened with Jose Bautista, the next year the bat flip was in the game. and that bat flip resulted in violence during the playoffs. I am having a go at the double standards of the MLB not SDS.
    As for the topic at hand I can see a few peoples points in spending time doing bat flip over the top animations when they could have done more realistic animations. I guess they just wanted some fun into the game for a laugh.
    I never play Retro mode or quick counts or any of that. so simply I just don't use it and ignore it and it won't effect me. if it was forced into the game then it is really a issue.
    Chiphof2018
    I won’t, most wont. Time was taken away from improving the actual game to put this nonsense in. That’s the argument. You’ve got things that are still incorrect from 5 years ago in the game but arcade bat flips were made a priority to add.
    This is exactly my point. Thank you.
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    As unrealistic, stupid, and ridiculous that these animations were put it and have been hyped so much, the fact that people are acting like this took away from other parts of the game is laughable. They just mo capped a few ridiculous bat flips and made them optional. The ones that work on this didn't not work on other parts because the added these. Do I like that they put these in? No, I think it's pretty dumb but to get all worked up about it is just as pointless.
    Padgoi
    I understand that, Ted (I have no idea what your name is but Ted sounds good). The point I'm trying to make is that they shouldn't have wasted too many of their already minute resources to add something that doesn't really bring much to the game. Everyone is always defending them as not having enough resources to add certain things like create a stadium and the challenge system, but instead they're wasting those same resources on bat flips. I know there are arcade users to satisfy as well, but for something like this, it seems like a complete and utter waste. Let's stop giving them the benefit of the doubt in terms of their already limited resources and start calling them out on adding miniscule features that almost no one asked for or cares about.
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    What we don't know, however, is when this was done. If they had a short amount of time near the end of the dev cycle, not enough to realistically get a large thing in, but only enough to get a small thing in, then I don't see the issue here. In that essence, it's not wasting resources.
    I think they have earned the benefit of the doubt with the effort they put into the game that they didn't have two things on the docket, one being an important addition and the other being this, that they went with silly/chintzy over important.
    They're imperfect. And I think there are questions they need to answer to, such as making sure servers are stable day 1, etc...but I also have faith that they're not the group that would decide to put something important on the backburner so your guy can "ride the pony" to 1st after a HR, either.
    Everything probably started between 2 mocap sessions and they kept the funniest ones.
    It’s cool and it’s up to you to assign it to your player or not. I will not personally because I’m more of a franchise guy but I don’t feel like they wasted tons of dev time for that.
    Padgoi
    I understand that, Ted (I have no idea what your name is but Ted sounds good). The point I'm trying to make is that they shouldn't have wasted too many of their already minute resources to add something that doesn't really bring much to the game. Everyone is always defending them as not having enough resources to add certain things like create a stadium and the challenge system, but instead they're wasting those same resources on bat flips. I know there are arcade users to satisfy as well, but for something like this, it seems like a complete and utter waste. Let's stop giving them the benefit of the doubt in terms of their already limited resources and start calling them out on adding miniscule features that almost no one asked for or cares about.
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    Again, that's not how any of this works. This took maybe an hour to implement. And it was maybe 3 or 4 guys.
    It isn't like they had the entire team standing around the computer screen for 2 months watching these and adjusting them.
    TripleCrown9
    Again, that's not how any of this works. This took maybe an hour to implement. And it was maybe 3 or 4 guys.
    It isn't like they had the entire team standing around the computer screen for 2 months watching these and adjusting them.
    If it took an hour to implement, then hey, why not. I guess a better question is, for someone who's questioning us as to why we're not in agreement on something being added to the game, how do you know it took "maybe an hour to implement?" Unless of course you're Ramone in disguise. Hi Ramone.
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    I'm done..:lol:
    People were just lying in wait for something like this to drop so that they could use it as justification/reason to complain about the game. If you don't agree that it was a "waste of time" then you are simply defending the game. No point in going back and forth because no matter what is said, nothing will change that mindset.
    Last year it was Retro mode that was wasted time. This year its bat flips. Next year it will be something else.
    Love it or hate it, bat flips are in the game.
    EDIT: And Padgoi, my name is Gannon. If you're going to talk to me in condescending tone, the least you can do is use my correct name. :waytogo:
    I think people need to realize that we , the hardcore sim franchise players, are the smallest group of players nowadays. The future is micro transactions, card collecting Diamond Dynasty modes. Personally, I think franchise mode getting worked on at all is a small victory and show that they care about it overall.
    countryboy
    I'm done..
    People were just lying in wait for something like this to drop so that they could use it as justification/reason to complain about the game. If you don't agree that it was a "waste of time" then you are simply defending the game. No point in going back and forth because no matter what is said, nothing will change that mindset.
    Last year it was Retro mode that was wasted time. This year its bat flips. Next year it will be something else.
    Love it or hate it, bat flips are in the game.
    EDIT: And Padgoi, my name is Gannon. If you're going to talk to me in condescending tone, the least you can do is use my correct name. :waytogo:
    I wasn't talking to you in a condescending tone, Gannon. I was defending my position. We're allowed to debate. Furthermore, I wasn't waiting for something like this to drop just to argue. I'm arguing because I think it's a waste. Stop taking every debate so personal. This is all in good fun. Or at least it's supposed to be.
    Padgoi
    I wasn't talking to you in a condescending tone, Gannon. I was defending my position. We're allowed to debate. Stop taking every debate so personal. This is all in good fun. Or at least it's supposed to be.
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    Talk ****, get hit....lol everyone on here is a pansy I see....bosses must be 2
    Firescottplz
    Talk ****, get hit....lol everyone on here is a pansy I see....bosses must be 2

    Yea, you wont be around here for long saying stuff like that.
    Padgoi
    I wasn't talking to you in a condescending tone, Gannon. I was defending my position. We're allowed to debate. Furthermore, I wasn't waiting for something like this to drop just to argue. I'm arguing because I think it's a waste. Stop taking every debate so personal. This is all in good fun. Or at least it's supposed to be.

    You decide to assign me a name instead of using my username, and I'm the one taking things personally. :waytogo:
    countryboy
    You decide to assign me a name instead of using my username, and I'm the one taking things personally. :waytogo:
    It was a joke, bro. Trying to lighten the mood. Clearly I failed.
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    Steve_OS
    FYI...
    The bat flips seen in this video are specific to Create a Player and Road to the Show, they aren't in the randomizer either.

    Well darn...
    I was going to have some fun adding the extreme bat flips to legend players like Cal Ripken Jr, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, etc..
    Oh well....
    People have been asking for emotion in baseball games for years, yet when they finally add emotion, we’re complaining that they added too much. I’ll probably use <10% of the flips in the game, but I look at it as just another “presentation” option that will help make each game feel unique. It’s up to each user to implement them how he/she choses. If implemented correctly (some of the flips are obviously more realistic than others) then these could really be a nice addition to the game.
    If you ask me, the devs have done a nice job catering to “realistic” baseball gamers this year. We asked for the uniform colors to be fixed, and it appears that they have been, for the most part. They’ve made improvements to gameplay, animations, crowd/attendance logic, added a whole bunch of new presentation elements and in-stadium cameras, and have added new equipment. We haven’t seen what they’ve done with RTTS and franchise yet, either. It’s a give-and-take battle between simulation and arcade gamers. You can’t possibly expect them to only cater to one type of gamer each year. Until everyone comes to this realization, there will always be people who gripe when features are added for the opposite spectrum of gamers.
    ninertravel
    you missed the point... I know it is a video game.. then why wasn't it ok for MLB to allowed charging??? because it encourages it in the real world apparently
    In addition to the MLB statute, they also don't want to jeopardize their 'E for Everyone' rating by insinuating violence.
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    countryboy
    One of the aspects of a video game is that its supposed to be fun and that is what these over the top bat flips and home run celebrations bring to the game.

    We have different ideas of fun bud. Much different. That video was painful to watch. And the Youtube reaction (if your catering to a "casual" audience) has not been any kinder. The hype for the game has been so strong otherwise.
    After seeing this video on facebook/twitter, I knew this debate was coming. And you all did not disappoint!
    At first I thought these bat flips were ridiculous and an absolute joke and could never see myself using these so why would they implement them into this game.
    Then I figured these flips are not applied to real MLB players even the generic ones and it’s something less hardcore gamers will enjoy and have fun with so what the hell.
    Carry on guys
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    Bullit
    I think people need to realize that we , the hardcore sim franchise players, are the smallest group of players nowadays. The future is micro transactions, card collecting Diamond Dynasty modes. Personally, I think franchise mode getting worked on at all is a small victory and show that they care about it overall.

    But they really don’t care about Franchise .. It’s DD all day everyday and your right were lucky they add anything ..
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    Damn, people can find a reason to complain about anything. Yet you’re probably all day 1 buyers. I don’t like ‘em either, don’t plan on using ‘em. They look fun though.
    I get that these aren't really meant for the type of audience that is in the majority of gamers at sites such as this one, but I still think that if we dislike the feature we should certainly speak up. The worst thing that could happen is that we keep sitting here and just accept things that move this game towards an arcade style of baseball, and then justify it that because we aren't the target audience for things that we shouldn't have a say.
    Before you know it you will look back and wonder where you lost the series at and why you are playing MLB the Bigs or some EA product that doesn't resemble the sport in the title at all.
    All of that being said... we can't cry like babies about it or irrationally blast off over these things. Just come in and say something like "hey, this is not for me and I won't use it at all" or "I wish these types of features weren't prominent aspects of a simulations style game that I wish to have made". The devs are more likely to read those comments and retain that input than irrational comparisons or chicken little statements.
    Just my 2 cents on the matter. ;)
    It's actually laughable that anyone actually thinks these took away from any other part of the game, when in reality they most likely mo-capped these in probably an hour or so, and also done by people that don't work on other parts of the game. Not in the way people seem to think anyways.
    Also, for the people who thought this small thing would take away from expansion/create-a-stadium :lol:
    Honestly, I personally like these, just for the fact of making a random player with high potential and make them rather crazy looking and give them these kinds of show off type things. They're pretty entertaining honestly.
    I mean, sure, in real life this would get people plunked but some seem to forget this is a VIDEO GAME.
    If they'd just add the ability to use player lock but with any camera I wouldn't care if they added a Macarena dance to celebrations..
    As for these bat flips..
    I'm glad it's not part of the randomizer and happy for anyone who wants these.
    Some of these I wouldn't even begin to use but there's a whole lot more people than me that play so it's all good.
    xlatinoheatx
    We have different ideas of fun bud. Much different. That video was painful to watch. And the Youtube reaction (if your catering to a "casual" audience) has not been any kinder. The hype for the game has been so strong otherwise.

    Ok
    But just because you don’t like them and won’t use them (neither will I since they are tied to CAP and RTTS) doesn’t mean that someone else that is a fan of the game/series won’t.
    And there is a far greater audience beyond that of YouTube, OS, and social media that plays this game.
    Over a million units of ‘17 sold last year. I don’t think you’re going to see the opinion of all million players be shared on OS, YouTube or social media when trailers/videos such as these are released.
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    jimmy13
    Damn, people can find a reason to complain about anything. Yet you’re probably all day 1 buyers. I don’t like ‘em either, don’t plan on using ‘em. They look fun though.

    Eagerly awaits the other Jimmy's reply! ;)
    The sense of entitlement in this forum by grown adults each year is just fascinating. Considering we know that the bat flips are tied to CAP and RTTS and are OPTIONAL, what does it matter? If you are strictly a Franchise player then you won't ever see them anyway. You are not being forced to use them. This "I want what I want and I want it now!" attitude is so tired.
    If SDS did ever add Create-a-Stadium to the game, everyone complaining about it not being in the game now would damn sure find something to complain about it if it was added. I guarantee it.
    In no way do I feel like the addition of these bat flip animations took time away from something else. I don't mind them at all because I know they are optional. In fact, I will probably add one to my current RTTS first baseman I started in MLB 16. RTTS should be played however you want it to be. One of the funnest modes in the game. Franchise I take a bit more seriously so don't feel they would be needed there, but the fact they are in the game is no reason to get all up in arms.
    People spend so much time complaining that this isn't in or that isn't in that they forget how to have fun.
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    I don't buy into the "rob Peter to pay Paul" theory.
    I don't think that "bat flips" being in cost us something else.
    It is what it is. We can turn it off. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's a great feature for people who like it, for those of us who don't, it's getting turned off and it'll be like it's not even there.
    Really not a big deal.
    Don't know how long it took or what else they might have done with that time, but like Arcade Mode last year and various other decisions, it's more just indicative to the direction the game (and sports games in general) seem to be heading.
    Maybe they'll surprise me and actually have done something significant to Franchise, but it seems like they at far more interested in the casuals. I guess it's just a business decision and it makes more sense to spend your time making features that try and get new casual players than actually improve the game for the hardcore players who will almost certainly buy the game anyway.
    It's sad but "improved AI in franchise mode" probably doesn't sell many copies.
    It probably took more effort to produce this video than it did to MoCap the bat flips. And technically, there are already some over-the-top CAP/mode specific animations in The Show 17 - I say that because these will be just as (non)visible in the game.
    Also, I thought this was an interesting post on MLB.com today...
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    Haha this thread cracks me up.
    We should all realize that DD including all those micro transactions just might be the thing that keeps this awesome baseball development team/studio alive. Heck it probably helped them to aquire the rights to all these legends we have in the game now. Maybe they could even hire some extra employees to work on uniforms, gameplay, stadium and what not that improve the game overall.
    Eitherway I think we all win in the end...well probably not everyone here
    Sent from Holland.
    I don't mind these are in the game at all, so long as they aren't randomly assigned to other players.
    However, if there were maybe 20 of these, I do wish these were celebration animations #201 - 220 if so, and that there were 200 before it if the more normal variety (or some loud ones but not wacky).
    I doubt this took much development time at all, but if there were 20 other animations somebody might have wanted to see that these "took the place of," I see where they'd have a fit. I'm guessing these were just put in here just because, and it didn't replace anything else.
    That all being said, this is the exact kind of example I was referring to when I made mention of the phases aspect of franchise being put in. They are giving the broader fans what they want when it comes to streamlining a franchise (in that they will only stop you for the "important things"). People who thought I said that Manfred insisted on three-inning games for this game are really kidding themselves, and probably even have to read what I say a whole lot better than that.
    Blzer
    I don't mind these are in the game at all, so long as they aren't randomly assigned to other players.

    They are only for Create A Player or RTTS.
    They will not be randomly assigned to "generic" players inside franchise/season modes.
    countryboy
    They are only for Create A Player or RTTS.
    They will not be randomly assigned to "generic" players inside franchise/season modes.

    Therefore, I do not mind their inclusion.
    While I feel these over-the-top bat flips are silly and I will never use them, I don't really mind them being in the game. I'm sure kids and some people who play RTTS and DD will enjoy them. I just hope they added more realistic homerun reactions and realistic bat flips. If they spent time mo-capping these extreme ones and didn't add many new realistic ones, it would be pretty disappointing.
    As soon as I saw this I knew some people were gonna lose their minds lol. It’s all motion captured which really didn’t take anyone away from doing other things for more than a day I would guess.  If you really think they didn’t fix colours because they were preoccupied with this then I don’t know what to tell you,
    These are not something I care about but I will never understand the mentality of make things how I want and screw everyone else who might like something goofy like this. 
    JDL375
    I don't buy into the "rob Peter to pay Paul" theory.
    I don't think that "bat flips" being in cost us something else.
    It is what it is. We can turn it off. If you don't like it, don't use it. It's a great feature for people who like it, for those of us who don't, it's getting turned off and it'll be like it's not even there.
    Really not a big deal.

    See everyone that says it doesn’t take away from other parts of the game or that didn’t take long well it did take dev time resources and memory and is jus adding more arcadey stuff to a game that is leaning more and more that way ..
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    OUSOONERS#1
    See everyone that says it doesn’t take away from other parts of the game or that didn’t take long well it did take dev time resources and memory and is jus adding more arcadey stuff to a game that is leaning more and more that way ..
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    It is not like the sim modes (Franchise/RttS/etc.) are gone or will ever be replaced. :brickwall
    I have a pretty instinctive feeling after March 8th and March 15th we will have many other people worried about the direction this dev team is taking this game ..
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    OUSOONERS#1
    I have a pretty instinctive feeling after March 8th and March 15th we will have many other people worried about the direction this dev team is taking this game ..
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    Again, 612,000 people bought 17 in it's first week. Not that many people are worried about the direction the dev team is taking this game.
    TripleCrown9
    Again, 612,000 people bought 17 in it's first week. Not that many people are worried about the direction the dev team is taking this game.

    I promise you they do not have as many preorders this year that’s why u see it advertise in 17 and they pushing harder for it then in any year before !!! Casual and arcadey have been the priority target well it’s gonna bite them in the butt when offline franchisers quit buying every year .. I promise you if the big thing th y added to franchise is jus 3 inning games and ability to sim to whenever is it this game will not sale million copies this year ..
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    OUSOONERS#1
    I promise you they do not have as many preorders this year that’s why u see it advertise in 17 and they pushing harder for it then in any year before !!! Casual and arcadey have been the priority target well it’s gonna bite them in the butt when offline franchisers quit buying every year .. I promise you if the big thing th y added to franchise is jus 3 inning games and ability to sim to whenever is it this game will not sale million copies this year ..
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    Lol ok man.
    EnigmaNemesis
    Better than me. I got 5 out of 8 as well, however, 4 I knew, one of them was a lucky guess, lol.

    I missed Grienke, LoMo, and Uribe. The rest of them I knew without a doubt.
    I do like how they whited out the bat as well lol.
    What is happening to this place? I understand constructive criticism and often partake in the practice myself, but even with all my complaints, I still LOVE this game every year and always have hope the devs will deliver another solid baseball experience. Even with many concerns about Franchise mode, I can't wait to get my hands on this game! The wait is killing me.
    Some of the comments around here the last few weeks have been downright insulting to the people working on the game. Constructive criticism is one thing. Outright bashing the game and proclaiming the devs are doing things to take the game away from being a baseball simulation is just wrong. If I worked on this game as a developer, I would stay far away from this place.
    TripleCrown9
    I missed Grienke, LoMo, and Uribe. The rest of them I knew without a doubt.
    I do like how they whited out the bat as well lol.

    Same one's I missed. My gut told me Grienke too, on that one, for how unnatural the follow through on the swing looked, yet I still chose the one below his name, lol.
    Rob_NYY
    What is happening to this place? I understand constructive criticism and often partake in the practice myself, but even with all my complaints, I still LOVE this game every year and always have hope the devs will deliver another solid baseball experience. Even with many concerns about Franchise mode, I can't wait to get my hands on this game! The wait is killing me.
    Some of the comments around here the last few weeks have been downright insulting to the people working on the game. Constructive criticism is one thing. Outright bashing the game and proclaiming the devs are doing things to take the game away from being a baseball simulation is just wrong. If I worked on this game as a developer, I would stay far away from this place.

    A.......men.
    Rob_NYY
    What is happening to this place? I understand constructive criticism and often partake in the practice myself, but even with all my complaints, I still LOVE this game every year and always have hope the devs will deliver another solid baseball experience. Even with many concerns about Franchise mode, I can't wait to get my hands on this game! The wait is killing me.
    Some of the comments around here the last few weeks have been downright insulting to the people working on the game. Constructive criticism is one thing. Outright bashing the game and proclaiming the devs are doing things to take the game away from being a baseball simulation is just wrong. If I worked on this game as a developer, I would stay far away from this place.

    It's straddling a weird fence right now. They call this game a simulation. A simulation is true to life in all respects, it's inferred when you call something a simulation. If this game was a TRUE simulation you'd have things like brawls, you'd have things like true rain outs, you'd have true ball physics and what not (not going to open that can of worms). I get limitations faced based off the MLB, time, staff, etc. but it gets very frustrating everyone touting this as the greatest MLB simulation ever and fill these forums with nothing but sunshine and overzealous fawning. There are major issues to the game that need addressed.
    It is incredibly frustrating to see a developer spend any amount of time on something as silly and frivolous as these absurd bat flips when the ball mechanics aren't right. Or the lazy throws to first that hasn't been fixed. Or the uniform colors are still off. Or the entire laundry list of items that people bring up.
    The real irony, if a player mashed a monster homer and then proceeded to do any of these bat flips, there'd be a 100 mph fastball at his head the second he next stepped into the batters box. I guess we'll leave that to real life and not in this simulation....
    TripleCrown9
    I can't believe you think the same group that mo-capped the bat flips is the same group that would work on create-a-stadium and expansion.

    The fact that so many people liked this response to my obviously sarcastic comment shows just how on edge everyone is on here. :D
    OUSOONERS#1
    I promise you they do not have as many preorders this year that’s why u see it advertise in 17 and they pushing harder for it then in any year before !!! Casual and arcadey have been the priority target well it’s gonna bite them in the butt when offline franchisers quit buying every year .. I promise you if the big thing th y added to franchise is jus 3 inning games and ability to sim to whenever is it this game will not sale million copies this year ..
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    I disagree completely on this point. At least in the groups and folks of "hard core" franchise players that I talk to and with. Any, even small, improvements are usually enough to get a purchase out of us. Improvements in physics, AI, performance hell even ball park updates are enough. Casuals don't understand we are in for the long haul, the slow burn. The group of us that plays every pitch of every inning, thru spring training etc, one little improvement to us can make all of the difference in the world.
    Every and I mean every version of The Show has had issues. '15 you could not pitch over at all without throwing the ball in the stands. which basically killed and entire aspect of the game. Last year I struggled between '16 and '17 and barely finished a season in each one onced '17 dropped. People I know play the same way I do and some went back to '16, but they still purchased '17. I ended up back in '17 knowing that this is just the next step and that beyond any doubt I WOULD be buying '18.
    So yeah, in my opinion '18 will be the best selling game to date. Between the casuals that must have the newest and brightest of everything. To the dedicated franchise player, this game will be purchased by one and all. The only way "our" group of players will stop buying is if Franchise mode was stripped out or down completely.
    PhilliesFan13
    This "I want what I want and I want it now!" attitude is so tired.

    That's gaming forums in general these days. It is always pretty sad though to see it invade forums for your favorite games. A lot of players are just downright antagonistic with developers these days.
    EnigmaNemesis
    What did I just read? No. Just... no. :y8:
    Not going to waste $5 words on a .50 cent argument.

    I don't understand why it's a 50 cent argument.
    Is this touted as a simulation? Yes.
    Does the game use real ball physics? No.
    Do we still have an issue with lazy throws to first? Yes.
    Are there still a PLETHORA of issues with the gameplay that need to be addressed? Yes.
    I will try to keep an open mind after reading many of the responses and say, yes, I understand that we at OS are not the majority of people buying this game and many people may want those bat flips and card collecting so you must cater to all audiences. With that said, I guess it's just frustration coming out in my posts. I'd be totally okay with not touching franchise (many others wouldn't) and adding unrealistic bat flips if they fix the legacy gameplay issues that have affected this game for years.
    Bullit
    I disagree completely on this point. At least in the groups and folks of "hard care" franchise players that I talk to and with. Any, even small, improvements are usually enough to get a purchase out of us. Improvements in physics, AI, performance hell even ball park updates are enough. Casuals don't understand we are in for the long haul, the slow burn. The group of us that plays every pitch of every inning, thru spring training etc, one little improvement to us can make all of the difference in the world.
    Every and I mean every version of The Show has had issues. '15 you could not pitch over at all without throwing the ball in the stands. which basically killed and entire aspect of the game. Last year I struggled between '16 and '17 and barely finished a season in each one onced '17 dropped. People I know play the same way I do and some went back to '16, but they still purchased '17. I ended up back in '17 knowing that this is just the next step and that beyond any doubt I WOULD be buying '18.
    So yeah, in my opinion '18 will be the best selling game to date. Between the casuals that must have the newest and brightest of everything. To the dedicated franchise player, this game will be purchased by one and all. The only way "our" group of players will stop buying is if Franchise mode was stripped out or down completely.

    As a fairly casual fan of the franchise, I'm kind of unaware of the common complaints of franchise mode. what are the main concerns/problems people have with franchise mode as is?
    Padgoi
    I don't understand why it's a 50 cent argument.
    Is this touted as a simulation? Yes.
    Does the game use real ball physics? No.
    Do we still have an issue with lazy throws to first? Yes.
    Are there still a PLETHORA of issues with the gameplay that need to be addressed? Yes.
    I will try to keep an open mind after reading many of the responses and say, yes, I understand that we at OS are not the majority of people buying this game and many people may want those bat flips and card collecting so you must cater to all audiences. With that said, I guess it's just frustration coming out in my posts. I'd be totally okay with not touching franchise (many others wouldn't) and adding unrealistic bat flips if they fix the legacy gameplay issues that have affected this game for years.

    It was the extremism of a binary argument that leaves out all the nuance that happens in any form of entertainment.
    It is not worth it (to me) tackling 'all or nothing' approaches/criticisms. They are unrealistic and come from a place of emotion more often than not.
    But I will make a remark that is just, well, tired of seeing such one side or the other discourse.
    EnigmaNemesis
    It was the extremism of a binary argument that leaves out all the nuance that happens in any form of entertainment.
    It is not worth it (to me) tackling 'all or nothing' approaches/criticisms. They are unrealistic and come from a place of emotion more often than not.
    But I will make a remark that is just, well, tired of seeing such one side or the other discourse.

    Damn, those are definitely some $5 words in there.
    These bat flips and the custom stances will be great for fictional rosters.
    HypoLuxa13
    "My cat's breath smells like cat food."
    Sorry, have to do that any time there is so much bickering in a post. Bat Flips. Yay. Whatever.

    "Cornbread makes my toenails hurt" or something like that.
    steelers10530
    As a fairly casual fan of the franchise, I'm kind of unaware of the common complaints of franchise mode. what are the main concerns/problems people have with franchise mode as is?

    Very briefly and with no detail, because this is not really the place for this discussion. Also in no particular order:
    Trade Logic
    Bull pen logic
    AI roster management
    Smoothing player animations
    Fielders jogging instead of running after the ball (supposedly fixed this year)
    All Star fielding abilities even average fielders
    Passed balls/wild pitches ( supposedly tuned this year)
    Bland/stale with no real depth beyond player management
    Each year it seems some things on this list get tuned or touched on and usually I am happy with that. Even a little progress is still progress.
    Bullit
    Very briefly and with no detail, because this is not really the place for this discussion. Also in no particular order:
    Trade Logic
    Bull pen logic
    AI roster management
    Smoothing player animations
    Fielders jogging instead of running after the ball (supposedly fixed this year)
    All Star fielding abilities even average fielders
    Passed balls/wild pitches ( supposedly tuned this year)
    Bland/stale with no real depth beyond player management
    Each year it seems some things on this list get tuned or touched on and usually I am happy with that. Even a little progress is still progress.

    Of course about half of those complaints are not limited to just Franchise.
    Padgoi
    Damn, those are definitely some $5 words in there.

    Saved them just for you. :y220b:
    "It is not a sim, I don't get beer spilled on me in Yankee Stadium!"... is honestly how some of the extreme criticisms sound.
    I love constructive criticism, it literally drives the 'wishlist' threads, but man, it just seems some people lack nuance when they frame their arguments.
    You still have to have balance in a game to maintain 'fun'. Not everything would translate well in a video game world, without tweaks to the how it is fed to the end user.
    Just like the simple comment you made. "Does not have real ball physics." Well, it is not a real ball, it is a virtual world, and unless Brian Ma (dunno if he is still there) and company are coding in the next seat over from God; with the keys on how physics were conceived (all in 9 months dev time), then I do not see how it will have ever have 'real physics' or to that expectation. They will get it as 'realistic' as they can in a virtual environment, and it can/will be constantly tweaked, but some of the expectations on a 'needs to have this to call itself a sim' checklist seem to be disingenuous without taking all the nuance into account.
    But what do I know. :crazy:
    EnigmaNemesis
    Saved them just for you. :y220b:
    "It is not a sim, I don't get beer spilled on me in Yankee Stadium!"... is honestly how some of the extreme criticisms sound.
    I love constructive criticism, it literally drives the 'wishlist' threads, but man, it just seems some people lack nuance when they frame their arguments.
    You still have to have balance in a game to maintain 'fun'. Not everything would translate well in a video game world, without tweaks to the how it is fed to the end user.
    Just like the simple comment you made. "Does not have real ball physics." Well, it is not a real ball, it is a virtual world, and unless Brian Ma (dunno if he is still there) and company are coding in the next seat over from God; with the keys on how physics were conceived (all in 9 months dev time), then I do not see how it will have ever have 'real physics' or to that expectation. They will get it as 'realistic' as they can in a virtual environment, and it can/will be constantly tweaked, but some of the expectations on a 'needs to have this to call itself a sim' checklist seem to be disingenuous without taking all the nuance into account.
    But what do I know. :crazy:

    Understood. However, I do feel that while "real ball physics" isn't necessarily a realistic or even possible expectation, the physics in the 2017 iteration left MUCH to be desired.
    Padgoi
    Understood. However, I do feel that while "real ball physics" isn't necessarily a realistic or even possible expectation, the physics in the 2017 iteration left MUCH to be desired.

    And that is fair feedback. They did mention they reworked it for this year, correct? Honestly asking because I could have sworn I seen it mentioned in a stream a couple of weeks back.
    If so, we will have to wait and see the results, but so far, it does sound promising on that end if so.
    EnigmaNemesis
    Saved them just for you. :y220b:
    "It is not a sim, I don't get beer spilled on me in Yankee Stadium!"... is honestly how some of the extreme criticisms sounds.
    Just like the simple comment you made. "Does not have real ball physics." Well, it is not a real ball, it is a virtual world, and unless Brian Ma (dunno if he is still there) and company are coding in the next seat over from God; with the keys on how physics were conceived (all in 9 months dev time), then I do not see how it will have ever have 'real physics' or to that expectation. They will get it as 'realistic' as they can in a virtual environment, and it can/will be constantly tweaked, but some of the expectations on a 'needs to have this to call itself a sim' checklist seem to be disingenuous without taking all the nuance into account.
    But what do I know. :crazy:

    Wow, two. ‘Amens’. from me in one thread. Woot.
    The thread here concerns bat flips...so let's not digress into other topics.
    Most are concerned that resources should be allocated elsewhere, with the underlying thought this takes considerable time to develop, code and implement. I think this would be fairly minimal...there is no coding with multiple variables such as where other players are (collusion), where the ball is and where it should end up, branching multiple animations, etc...I would think this would be fairly minimal in terms of implementation, like retro mode.
    I would love to see more animations for IFs, OFs, etc...but I'm ok with this. We're older baseball fans and baseball needs younger viewers so this is just another carrot, some flare to attract the younger generation. Lets be real...my 10-year old self would love this. It's not realistic, the devs acknowledge that...it's purely for fun.
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    Man, I hope some kid who plays this game and sees a bat flip that he/she loves. Meets a MLB player and, their wish is one of these bat flips. Talk about melt down.
    Rob_NYY
    What is happening to this place? I understand constructive criticism and often partake in the practice myself, but even with all my complaints, I still LOVE this game every year and always have hope the devs will deliver another solid baseball experience. Even with many concerns about Franchise mode, I can't wait to get my hands on this game! The wait is killing me.
    Some of the comments around here the last few weeks have been downright insulting to the people working on the game. Constructive criticism is one thing. Outright bashing the game and proclaiming the devs are doing things to take the game away from being a baseball simulation is just wrong. If I worked on this game as a developer, I would stay far away from this place.

    Once upon a time, we were in here fighting for better batting stances. Even that was being talked down like these bat flips were. Point being, if you don't like it, move along.
    EnigmaNemesis
    And that is fair feedback. They did mention they reworked it for this year, correct? Honestly asking because I could have sworn I seen it mentioned in a stream a couple of weeks back.
    If so, we will have to wait and see the results, but so far, it does sound promising on that end if so.
    During one streams they played a video where they showed Judge one of his homeruns in real life and replicated it almost identically in game. The dev explained that they were calculating all ball physics as from a right handed pitcher and needed to adjust to lefties as well and this corrected some ball trajectories. Something along those lines.
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    tbh I can't wait to go into franchise mode and edit some players on my team and give them these bat flips. It will be hilarious.
    Imagine Bartolo doing a somersault? Come on, that's entertaining.
    Shakedowncapo
    Once upon a time, we were in here fighting for better batting stances. Even that was being talked down like these bat flips were. Point being, if you don't like it, move along.

    The funny thing is, essentially anybody that is active on these forums is likely going to be a day one buyer of the game. This game, IMO, is the single greatest sports game year in and year out. Every year it just gets better. There are a handful of things about the game that I would love to see changed, added etc. (daily rosters being changed back to how “the show live in ‘14) or face scanning... there’s more, but point is this game is freaking amazing and I’m just the last yeast they’ve taken a huge step forward with player faces, just to name on thing. All this without any competition for years. Gotta give ‘em credit.
    Jeffrey Smith
    During one streams they played a video where they showed Judge one of his homeruns in real life and replicated it almost identically in game. The dev explained that they were calculating all ball physics as from a right handed pitcher and needed to adjust to lefties as well and this corrected some ball trajectories. Something along those lines.
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    Yes, I remember this now! They were off a little more towards center, and they forgot it was the wrong handed pitcher for the calculations, changed the pitcher and they were almost dead on.
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    Steve_OS
    FYI...
    The bat flips seen in this video are specific to Create a Player and Road to the Show, they aren't in the randomizer either.

    This post should have ended this entire thread.
    No idea why anyone would care after this.
    Seriously, to allay all your worries and fears about these animations:
    All of the simple, reasonable explanations posed by others in this thread are correct.
    Woodweaver
    Seriously, to allay all your worries and fears about these animations:
    All of the simple, reasonable explanations posed by others in this thread are correct.

    But what about the unreasonable ones??? I need to know if these simple animations came at the expense of half the game being removed so that now there's no more pitchers the ball just falls out of the sky and I hit it
    Woodweaver
    Seriously, to allay all your worries and fears about these animations:
    All of the simple, reasonable explanations posed by others in this thread are correct.

    Some people are just getting on the developers because simple problems don't get corrected year to year, so they take the added funny bat flips as like, "WTF?".
    I don't care either way. I know how it is to develop games and you know what? Ultimately, whoever is developing the game calls the shots. If anyone doesn't like it, that's their problem.
    I haven't bought The Show since 2015. It's not really cause of anything other than I don't have the time to play, but the 600 foot homers last year was kinda crazy to me.
    TripleCrown9
    I'm currently at Game 5 of the World Series in my Red Sox franchise.
    Every game, every pitch, and I have never seen a 600-ft home run.

    The physics bug that caused those (and messed up the balance of fly ball outs / homers in general) was patched out of the game in one of the first few updates.
    TripleCrown9
    I'm currently at Game 5 of the World Series in my Red Sox franchise.
    Every game, every pitch, and I have never seen a 600-ft home run.

    That Is because you play as the Red Sox #No Power :tongue:
    600 foot home runs ? Maybe on rookie mode
    My biggest issue last year was starters getting pulled early and after 4 innings sometimes, funny thing I’d sds predicted it well, it’s where the game is heading if it hasn’t already wiyh bp pitbujjh 5 innings a game
    ninertravel
    600 foot home runs ? Maybe on rookie mode
    My biggest issue last year was starters getting pulled early and after 4 innings sometimes, funny thing I’d sds predicted it well, it’s where the game is heading if it hasn’t already wiyh bp pitbujjh 5 innings a game

    You lost me here, is that part a word jumble?
    Woodweaver
    "Simple problems" all seem ...well, simple, when you don't have all the information...

    I understand the beast you're dealing with when changing intricate and extensive code like what drives The Show.
    When coders build on top of older foundations, they paint themselves into a corner and it sucks. I know all about it. It makes it actually impossible to change some things and I guess that's where The Show is at with some of the things people on this forum have mentioned.
    I think the game is amazing. I really do, but it's slightly handicapped in some aspects because of building on code from like a decade ago. Some things need to be completely rewritten.. but then when that happens, other things will need partial re-coding and it just gets messy. I know.
    I think the devs are doin' a solid job with it, but I do think The Show would benefit greatly from a year of just under the hood work.
    Woodweaver
    "Simple problems" all seem ...well, simple, when you don't have all the information...

    Didn't you know, 90% of the people on OS know EXACTLY how game coding works, along with the development schedule of the game and where all the resources go?
    Gosens6
    Didn't you know, 90% of the people on OS know EXACTLY how game coding works, along with the development schedule of the game and where all the resources go?

    Lets expand that to 90% of gamers on the internet know more about game design, game coding and bug swatting than the people who make their living at it.
    Woodweaver
    The simple dead -handed drop and stare is my favorite "flip".
    Is the moon destruction bat flip available in franchise?
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    Woodweaver
    "Simple problems" all seem ...well, simple, when you don't have all the information...

    You need to be banned for defending this game (sarcasm off).
    You put out a GREAT game. Can't please everyone. :y220b:
    Woodweaver
    Seriously, to allay all your worries and fears about these animations:
    All of the simple, reasonable explanations posed by others in this thread are correct.

    Why is it you can spend time on bat flips, but can’t get the correct glove size for outfielders or have the color editing on equipment correct (wrong for four years now)? Or adding the ability to have home/away equipment (as easy as adding team color 4 and tying it to the pants color)? How about getting those things that’s are actually needed done instead of using that time on fluff.
    nemesis04
    Please make sure the laser colors are accurate! :duck:

    QFT
    The red laser better be the 'red-orange' wavelength of 635 nm, and not the cheap pointer red of 650 nm. I will have you know, my contrast is on point and has been calibrated by senior Geek Squad engineers, so do not even come at me with that excuse either.
    countryboy
    One of the aspects of a video game is that its supposed to be fun and that is what these over the top bat flips and home run celebrations bring to the game.
    People looking for a true simulation may not want to use these in their franchise, season, or whatnot, but I can definitely see an audience that only plays RTTS or DD and that is looking for a more arcade/casual experience having a blast with these.
    There is a broader audience at play than just the true hardcore sim gamer. :)

    I want complete authenticity for franchise mode but i like to ball out and hit 400HR a season in RTTS and these bat flips make me extremely happy because good sportsmanship is a scam. if i hit a home run 480ft i'm gonna show up my opponents grab my nuts once i hit home plate cause I play on beginner and have the best equipment and i force pitchers to throw fastballs down the middle every pitch
    Buccosback
    I want complete authenticity for franchise mode but i like to ball out and hit 400HR a season in RTTS and these bat flips make me extremely happy because good sportsmanship is a scam. if i hit a home run 480ft i'm gonna show up my opponents grab my nuts once i hit home plate cause I play on beginner and have the best equipment and i force pitchers to throw fastballs down the middle every pitch

    This made me laugh more than it should have, lol.
    For those of you being so serious about how it causes brawls in real life. calm down. it is a video game and they don't allow brawls cause it encourages it those players of the game. it is something that MLB wants to take out of game cause it is a harm to players/coaches. if you're mad about a bat flip maybe you shouldn't have that meatball over the plate for me to blast into the third deck. i'm personally tired of all the animations and love the new bat flips and the craziness of them. it isn't even that unrealistic anyway. look up the best bat flips on youtube. if you don't like someone doing the bat flip on you just hit them with a pitch in the good ol noggin
    EnigmaNemesis
    This made me laugh more than it should have, lol.

    This post was designed for maximum comedic effect. thank you for participating in the laughter. :)
    In all seriousness though, bat flips and such are fun in game, but I coach varsity baseball and the kids watch sportcenter and play this game.
    Just had to scold a kid yesterday in bp for hitting a ball and flipping the bat and making a spectacle.
    I have no problem showing emotion but when you see kids go over the top in celebrations and flipping bats on doubles makes me think....
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    Chiphof2018
    Why is it you can spend time on bat flips, but can’t get the correct glove size for outfielders or have the color editing on equipment correct (wrong for four years now)? Or adding the ability to have home/away equipment (as easy as adding team color 4 and tying it to the pants color)? How about getting those things that’s are actually needed done instead of using that time on fluff.
    How much time did they spend on bat flips?
    Just curious since you seem to know that time spent and how that time could be used to fix everything else.
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    Chiphof2018
    Why is it you can spend time on bat flips, but can’t get the correct glove size for outfielders or have the color editing on equipment correct (wrong for four years now)? Or adding the ability to have home/away equipment (as easy as adding team color 4 and tying it to the pants color)? How about getting those things that’s are actually needed done instead of using that time on fluff.

    Needed?
    I don't see any of the things you mention as needed. They might be nice but I honestly have never even heard about them as being issues before now. Most gamers who play this game have probably not noticed a single one of those things.
    tabarnes19
    In all seriousness though, bat flips and such are fun in game, but I coach varsity baseball and the kids watch sportcenter and play this game.
    Just had to scold a kid yesterday in bp for hitting a ball and flipping the bat and making a spectacle.
    I have no problem showing emotion but when you see kids go over the top in celebrations and flipping bats on doubles makes me think....
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    Yes, that has always been my concern. Choreographed motion versus spontaneous motion, and also celebrating versus taunting.
    I was always funny as a pitcher, in that if a ball was hit in the air and to the outfield, it took me maybe 2-3 seconds to even turn around and watch what was to happen on the play. Mostly it was because I was processing where I had to go next (specifically if I had to back up third or home). However, this also allowed me to watch the hitter. Not that many had something worth celebrating. ;)
    Actually, there is still one where a player had my number. There was a summer travel tournament in Monterey, and this lefty beast from Watsonville just demolished it to right field. I never did watch it go out, but I did hear it hit a leafy tree. Upon investigating it, that area of the tree was at least 50 feet off the ground. It was just a moonshot. Anyway, my catcher still says the story to this day about how immediately after it was hit, I stared right at the umpire and raised my glove up trying to demand another ball from him. :lol:
    But I digress...
    These are fun and wacky, and no doubt I will use some just to watch how ridiculous they are. I think this is right for the game (the video game, not the sport). Normally you wouldn't hear me say something like that, but in the context and in the MLB's current environment, it seems fitting.
    I like it.  Adds fun and energy to an already excellent video game series.   Now if they would just give us a completely alternate announcing team and give us a Weekly Highlight Show! 
    tabarnes19
    In all seriousness though, bat flips and such are fun in game, but I coach varsity baseball and the kids watch sportcenter and play this game.
    Just had to scold a kid yesterday in bp for hitting a ball and flipping the bat and making a spectacle.
    I have no problem showing emotion but when you see kids go over the top in celebrations and flipping bats on doubles makes me think....
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    OH THE HUMANITY OF KIDS HAVING FUN. WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
    TripleCrown9
    OH THE HUMANITY OF KIDS HAVING FUN. WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
    There is nothing wrong with kids having fun. The problem is they imitate what they see on sportcenter and the game.
    There is nothing worst than seeing someone hot dog some extravagant choreographed motion. I know I have seen umpires and teams call kids out for it. Some league rules even call for automatic out for "throwing the bat."
    Would it be ok for a kid to do cartwheels after a 3 point shot or homerun down 1?
    My only point is having fun is great, but when you go over the top and kids see it in a videogame they unfortunately imitate in real life.
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    tabarnes19
    There is nothing wrong with kids having fun. The problem is they imitate what they see on sportcenter and the game.
    There is nothing worst than seeing someone hot dog some extravagant choreographed motion. I know I have seen umpires and teams call kids out for it. Some league rules even call for automatic out for "throwing the bat."
    Would it be ok for a kid to do cartwheels after a 3 point shot or homerun down 1?
    My only point is having fun is great, but when you go over the top and kids see it in a videogame they unfortunately imitate in real life.
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    There is an absolute multitude of things worse than someone celebrating a score.
    Baseball is losing their audience because it's deemed boring and not action-packed like the other major sports. Bat flips are a small and fun way for kids (you know the main demographic for this feature) to enjoy the game. I would venture a guess that most of them couldn't care less about making sure their scouting is correct or ensuring their underachieving top prospect spends another year in AA for polishing.
    Not every feature is geared toward us hardcores at OS. Let your hair down and have some fun!! Like it or not, bat flips might become a thing, and I think it would be hilarious. If the NFL can have ridiculous dances after a TD or an NBA player leaves his hand up after making a three or stands over somebody after a dunk, why can't baseball have a little fun with bat flips? Poor sportsmanship? Weak. If your ego is that fragile, then sports might not be for you...
    jkra0512
    Baseball is losing their audience because it's deemed boring and not action-packed like the other major sports. Bat flips are a small and fun way for kids (you know the main demographic for this feature) to enjoy the game..

    Baseball is losing it's audience cause it's deemed boring? Yea, I guess it's deemed boring by the people who never liked it anyway. Bat flips won't make someone who doesn't like baseball start being interested in it.
    Is baseball really losing it's audience? I mean, if someone is a fan of baseball, they don't see the game as boring, so..
    I feel like most of these bat flips would get you thrown out of the game or at the very least you're getting some chin music during your next at bat.
    MLB14
    Baseball is losing it's audience cause it's deemed boring? Yea, I guess it's deemed boring by the people who never liked it anyway. Bat flips won't make someone who doesn't like baseball start being interested in it.
    Is baseball really losing it's audience? I mean, if someone is a fan of baseball, they don't see the game as boring, so..

    I don't know. If ballet or opera had bat flips I'd be more inclined to watch.
    I dunno. Sort of over debating over something that appears to be a choice. Me, if it makes me laugh a bit during the game, it's okay. Ever set the controller down and watch some of the funny stuff that goes on?
    This game is NEVER going to give us absolutely everything we want at one felt swoop. As a producer of the game I wouldn't. And I'm sure it isn't as easy as everyone is making it out to be......i.e., "just put it in the game". I'm sure the devs are given their marching orders at the beginning of the development cycle and they do what the bosses tell them. Understood.
    All I know, is I'm not playing Interplay 2000. I'm so thankful for what the game offers.
    MLB14
    Baseball is losing it's audience cause it's deemed boring? Yea, I guess it's deemed boring by the people who never liked it anyway. Bat flips won't make someone who doesn't like baseball start being interested in it.
    Is baseball really losing it's audience? I mean, if someone is a fan of baseball, they don't see the game as boring, so..

    Baaeball's audience is older than all the other major sports. They are losing their share of the market because games are too long and not as action packed as other sports. In turn, they are not attracting fans at the same rate.
    Baseball is my first love, but I can certainly see my son and daughter liking something else because theres more immediate entertainment for the time they invest. Baseball is an acquired taste and takes knowing a lot of the nuances to fully enjoy the game, where as basketball or hockey its constant back and forth movement and action.
    Injecting a little life and personality into baseball isn't such a bad thing to attract new people to the sport. That's all i was alluding to.
    Yeah man, screw fun! This sport isn’t about fun! No celebrating! No emotion! Bean ball everyone! Gahhhh!
    Actually not gonna quote him. This thread is loaded with bat flip haters. And I don’t just mean these ridiculous silly fun ones.
    xlatinoheatx
    We have different ideas of fun bud. Much different. That video was painful to watch. And the Youtube reaction (if your catering to a "casual" audience) has not been any kinder. The hype for the game has been so strong otherwise.

    The casual audience doesn’t make YouTube comments, frankly. The real casuals, the majority of the playerbase, are the ones who watch the video on Facebook or something and move on. Maybe they give it a ‘like’.
    OUSOONERS#1
    I promise you they do not have as many preorders this year that’s why u see it advertise in 17 and they pushing harder for it then in any year before !!! Casual and arcadey have been the priority target well it’s gonna bite them in the butt when offline franchisers quit buying every year .. I promise you if the big thing th y added to franchise is jus 3 inning games and ability to sim to whenever is it this game will not sale million copies this year ..
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    Casual and arcadey would actually appeal to more people. Just look at FIFA or Madden. Even if they lost every single one of us franchise heads, I’m almost positive their sales would still go up every year or stay around the same.
    Every blasted year. Every blasted sports game. Without fail.
    If it's not "The game looks the same as last year." It's "Oh, they put in this feature I don't like. So that means the one I did like got ignored! WAH WAH WAAAAAH!"
    Eman5805
    Every blasted year. Every blasted sports game. Without fail.
    If it's not "The game looks the same as last year." It's "Oh, they put in this feature I don't like. So that means the one I did like got ignored! WAH WAH WAAAAAH!"

    I despise when people say ‘the game looks the same.’
    Well yes. Why do you expect a massive difference in the way an annual sports title on the same generation of consoles looks? Gah.
    GoDucks1224
    I despise when people say ‘the game looks the same.’
    Well yes. Why do you expect a massive difference in the way an annual sports title on the same generation of consoles looks? Gah.

    They say that every year...but ask them to go back and play the game just two years ago and the difference is often striking.
    TripleCrown9
    OH THE HUMANITY OF KIDS HAVING FUN. WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

    This is baseball we're talking about fun doesn't matter. It's all about preserving the history of the game, and keeping it similar to the way my pa, and his pa played the game. Baseball simply isn't allowed to evolve.
    MLB14
    Peh.. Does golf have club flips?

    Golf has club twirls and also has guys fist pumping and being completely psyched after making a winning putt with 0 consequence. Just look at Tiger Woods in his prime, easily one of the cockiest dudes on the tour and he is probably the greatest thing to ever happen to golf. If a baseball player used any antics like Tiger they would get hit by the whiny pitcher in this next AB.
    EnigmaNemesis
    QFT
    The red laser better be the 'red-orange' wavelength of 635 nm, and not the cheap pointer red of 650 nm. I will have you know, my contrast is on point and has been calibrated by senior Geek Squad engineers, so do not even come at me with that excuse either.

    Alright but please keep in mind the time of day, shadows, temperature, air density, elevation, and whether you're in a domed stadium or not as all will have an effect on the laser colors. Plus, do any of us really know if we all see colors exactly the same assuming one is not color blind? ;)
    Steve_SDS
    Alright but please keep in mind the time of day, shadows, temperature, air density, elevation, and whether you're in a domed stadium or not as all will have an effect on the laser colors. Plus, do any of us really know if we all see colors exactly the same assuming one is not color blind? ;)

    Great jokes, but there is still a real explanation that has been asked for that has not been given.
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