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Season Mode Not Included in MLB The Show 18

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Season Mode Not Included in MLB The Show 18

It appears that Season Mode didn’t make the cut in this year’s game, joining online franchise as cuts for MLB The Show this year.

As initially detailed by OS’er My993C2 in the forums, it appears Season Mode isn’t in this year’s game:

No Season Mode? Are they serious? I had a Season saved file from MLB 17 that I was getting into but it cannot be transferred into MLB 18 because Season Mode files are not compatible with Franchise Mode. It would have been nice if they were honest and told us ahead of time that the mode was being dropped. What else was dropped … besides Season Mode and Online Franchise.

Victor from Sony responded and confirmed the news:

Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.

1.Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
2.On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
3.From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

Analysis

The lack of a season mode hasn’t gone over well with OS’ers (see the comments) and it is a bummer for sure. This is sadly part of the growing trend of sacrificing development resources from traditional single player experiences and putting those into other areas that are more profitable (read: card type of modes). It feels unfortunate in many ways, but it is an understandable path for Publishers to want their titles to take even though I personally am more of a single player person myself.

For better or worse, that’s kind of where we are in sports gaming at the present time and this is just another sign of this trend becoming further entrenched.

 

 

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    Nope. It's not there. I'm carrying a season file from 2016 and now it's done, unless I continue it in '17. Lot of time and effort put into my season mode and I never stopped to think they'd take it out.
    No warning??? Perhaps they mentioned this somewhere, but I didn't see it. Wasted money, cause I wouldn't have bought if I knew.
    Utterly ridiculous...promote the continuation of saved files from previous years and then take it away....and I rarely ever open my mouth to complain about this game but this is unacceptable.
    Thumbs down, SCEA...perhaps you made a great game this year but to do this under the radar...awful!
    catswithbats
    What's the difference between Season Mode and Franchise? I never understood that.

    Season mode at least gives you the option to edit the amount of games you want to play. In franchise mode you are locked into 162 games. Ive always viewed franchise mode as more of a GM mode. Since there is more simming involved.
    In season mode I usually like to just edit the amount of games played down to 29 games. Thats much more manageable.
    wheels2121
    Can we control all 30 teams in franchise? How did they not tell us this?

    In the past, you've always been able to do 30 team control in franchise. I assume you still can this year, but I haven't checked.
    This will be the first time in a number of years that I do not buy the game. Fortunately, I’m addicted to Gran Turismo sport. And, as a break I’ll play some 2K
    I’ve supported this franchise for so long but I’m disappointed they did not disclose that they have removed the season mode
    That they removed this mode (if they did...I don't have the game so I am trusting what these people are saying), that's pretty awful. But, that they removed it without telling you guys before you bought the game is shady as all hell.
    I honestly could not care less about Diamond Dynasty or RTTS. Literally all I do is season mode, play now, and online matchups. I wish I could be refunded, because it looks like I'm going to be playing 17 for a long time.
    From Playstation store:
    You can cancel a digital content purchase within 14 days from the date of transaction, provided that you have not started downloading or streaming it.
    Digital content that you have started downloading, streaming and in-game consumables that have been delivered, are not eligible for a refund unless the content is faulty.

    For those interested (probably very few)...no way to get a refund now.
    I think that removal of a ten-year old game feature people have come to expect (especially with the promise of year-to-year saves) without warning ought to be justification for making an exception to the above policy.
    hyacinth1
    wow that sucks. no wonder nobody answered my question this month about season mode. I always prefer season mode because i just want to play games.

    Yep, some people don't care about the minor leagues. Too much stuff to track. Season mode was cleaner and quicker and easier.
    JTommy67
    Yep, some people don't care about the minor leagues. Too much stuff to track. Season mode was cleaner and quicker and easier.
    And you could play less than 162. That was the biggest part imo.
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    I have always applaud SDS for not taking out features in games
    This year they took out 2 entire modes online franchise and season mode. neither I actually use, but I fear one year next they will take out 30 team control out of franchise then I will be just as pissed off as the people that use season mode the most.
    Madden did this now you gotta spend hours in that CFM rubbish you can't just start a season with rosters you spend hours on.,
    It seems they are getting to EAish and now focusing on DD and all those modes slowly getting rid of anything to do with franchise in season stuff you know actually baseball we see on tv for 6 months
    ninertravel
    I have always applaud SDS for not taking out features in games.

    BINGO. This is why not saying anything is a really low move. They built a reputation for being consistent and not removing modes, options, and features...so there should have been NO REASON to worry about this. And then to NOT SAY ANYTHING...I am at a complete loss.
    JTommy67
    From Playstation store:
    For those interested (probably very few)...no way to get a refund now.
    I think that removal of a ten-year old game feature people have come to expect (especially with the promise of year-to-year saves) without warning ought to be justification for making an exception to the above policy.

    Thats a europe rule for Playstaion, see the url having en-gb for great Britain.
    US won't even give you a refund before downloading the game once the transaction is made from wallet. I know cause I tried to cancel mine yesterday so I could re-buy with the 20% off coupon.
    ty5oke
    Thats a europe rule for Playstaion, see the url having en-gb for great Britain.
    US won't even give you a refund before downloading the game once the transaction is made from wallet. I know cause I tried to cancel mine yesterday so I could re-buy with the 20% off coupon.

    Ok, thanks. I didn't notice...but no surprise, anyway, I guess.
    Lesson learned. School of hard knocks.
    So they removed 2 complete modes in season mode and online franchise mode...but at least they fixed the colors smh...
    Last time I'm buying this game until they completely revamp franchise mode and give us back the option to create 99 rated beasts in Rtts.
    You would think MLB 19 is the best chance they have to revamp franchise mode with them probably going to bring back online franchise....but let's wait and see.
    I’m assuming it was taken out with Online Franchise when they rewrote the code. I enjoy both online and offline play but this explicit and destructive bias for online play is insane and it’s clear that the priority is on online play for the DD microtransactions. Offline play simply doesn’t produce the profit that DD does. I completely understand the profit motive, but seeing as they’re the only true to life simulation baseball game out there, they should at least *try* to make the experience fulfilling for all players instead of continuing to line their pockets while deconstructing less profitable aspects of the game.
    For years I’ve refused to overly criticize the developers and I’ve been very tolerant of their questionable decisions because I truly believed they still had all players’ interests in mind and were attempting to improve all areas, but at this point I see no way that can still be true. They removed these modes for the sole reason of catering to online gameplay.
    I’ve enjoyed Season a lot and I’m incredibly disappointed it’s gone but I’m mostly upset because they’ve 100% confirmed the direction they’re heading and I do not see them ever turning it around.
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    In the Netherlands and just woke up to find out that my beloved season mode is gone.
    I'm 48 with 2 kids, my gaming time is much more limited than in days past.
    I also never play online.
    Season mode is literally the only mode i play!
    I would take all the SOTS from this website. Start with my team, then do all stadium sounds, and would do the other teams as i started playing them in my season.
    I also love the classis rosters, all the love and care that the community has put in them.
    I took them and - again - played a season with them.
    Always a 162 game season without simming.
    Have Always bought the show, last years through pre-order and praised the game.
    Recently i even wrote here that i love the fact that SDS adds stuff without taking stuff out.
    Well, guess i was wrong.
    Having no season mode has completely changed this game for me.
    Don't play any other modes, and single games are just boring to me.
    There's nothing on the line, much more easy to quit.
    I am truly surprised, frustrated and devastated that season mode is out.
    I'm hoping there's a way to put it back in - like last year with the highlight reel but I doubt it.
    What's even worse, SDS didn't say a word about it, shame on them.
    So, ending with a question to the experienced franchise mode players :
    Is there a way to set franchise up in such a way that i only have to play my games, nothing more nothing less.
    Not a good start of the day.
    ninertravel
    Another lesson into why pre ordering games should be a thing of the past and people should stop doing it.

    Maybe for digital but I'll take the pre-order bonuses etc.. at Best Buy all day long.
    If (like now) things turn out where I may not want the game.. I can still cancel.
    I never pre-order digital
    I don’t understand the moaning-we have a custom batting stance creator!! (sarcasm)
    Truly disappointed by this news. Like a lot of earlier post, time is a factor and I just want to play the games, not dealing with the management side of things.
    Lack of competition has truly affected this game.
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    I don’t play season mode, but the fact it was taken out and NOT mentioned on a stream, or anywhere, is disappointing.
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    cbrown119
    I don’t understand the moaning-we have a custom batting stance creator!! (sarcasm)
    Truly disappointed by this news. Like a lot of earlier post, time is a factor and I just want to play the games, not dealing with the management side of things.
    Lack of competition has truly affected this game.
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    It's not like EA where no one can make a NFL game.
    MS can make one, they won't etc..
    Be thankful Sony IS making a game otherwise you wouldn't have any...
    Would I like choices? Of course but this is a totally different situation.
    I'm not sure "competition" would even matter as they had competition and they died...
    It's not like The Show has made some great strides in years past when there were other games..
    It's always been incremental steps IMO.
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  2. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  3. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  4. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.
  5. Skyboxer
    It's not like EA where no one can make a NFL game.
    MS can make one, they won't etc..
    Be thankful Sony IS making a game otherwise you wouldn't have any...
    Would I like choices? Of course but this is a totally different situation.
    I'm not sure "competition" would even matter as they had competition and they died...
    It's not like The Show has made some great strides in years past when there were other games..
    It's always been incremental steps IMO.

    I am greatful, and i just played a game of '17 and am still amazed at how great it looks and plays.
    Don't agree about the competition part though.
    The 2k game certainly was not a better one, but the Show took stuff from this game to improve their own. Among which are the play now / play live as well as the stick pitching (although 2k's was better imo).
    The show would certainly benefit from having some good and honest competition.
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  6. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  7. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  8. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

  9. Thanks for the heads up, but i'm really curious : why did you guys drop season mode? This is unlike SDS, taking stuff out.
    And secondly...why didn't you announce this? Never mind, i know the answer to this one : money.
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  10. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  11. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  12. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

  13. Solves nothing for those who like to play 29 or 58 game seasons and/or those who play 6-7 inning games. Makes 0 sense how even those 2 small options were erased from this game. Not that difficult to include that in franchise mode. It was simple and convenient.
    Some of us hate simming games and having the cpu determine if we win games or not. Its enjoyable and gratifying to know that I played every game and helped my team make the playoffs and win it all.
    Its a damn shame too. I was really looking forward to this game. I definitely feel like I just wasted 60 bucks.
    xNewYorkMadex
    Its a damn shame too. I was really looking forward to this game. I definitely feel like I just wasted 60 bucks.

    And that’s the thing, if they at least said, and made it clear before the game released, that season mode wasn’t in it, then the customers could’ve made an informed decision and decide if it was worth it to spend $60+ on the game this year.
    However, since they didn’t say anything about it before release, people are now stuck with a game they may have not wanted to purchase had they known season mode was released. And because you can’t return opened games at most retail stores (Best Buy, Target, GameStop, etc), you’re stuck either selling it on eBay or Craigslist, or trading it at GameStop.
    It’s not even the fact that the mode was removed (although I know it sucks for those that enjoy it), but rather, the fact it was taken out without letting the customer know.
    I don’t even play season mode (I’m a franchise guy), and I can see how wrong, and underhanded this whole debacle is.
    Shame on you SDS for not letting the customer make an informed decision, and allowing them to waste money on a product in which a mode was taken out. There’s no way to know if it was taken out or not beforehand, unless you sat on your purchase and waiting for other people to find out first. You dropped the ball on this one.
    Edit: All of this just makes me think, more and more, that they (SDS) really are just going the way of EA and their UT modes. More gets added to DD and, to a lesser degree, RttS, and yet we only see small, incremental improvements to the other modes. I just looked on YouTube, and 90% of The Show 18 videos (hell, The Show videos in general) are nothing but people opening packs, and showing what cards they’ve got. I get that’s how it is with UT modes, but the fact that these money-grabbing modes aren’t allowing anything to be added to the other modes (besides RttS) is total BS.
    Yes, I’m thankful for all the other improvements to the game, and what the team has done that is a positive, or falls within items that add to the game in some way (better colors, better CAP, better logic, etc), but it’s disheartening to see DD take center stage over the last 5 years or so, and also demolish any other stages in its wake.
    xNeurosiis
    And that’s the thing, if they at least said, and made it clear before the game released, that season mode wasn’t in it, then the customers could’ve made an informed decision and decide if it was worth it to spend $60+ on the game this year.
    However, since they didn’t say anything about it before release, people are now stuck with a game they may have not wanted to purchase had they known season mode was released. And because you can’t return opened games at most retail stores (Best Buy, Target, GameStop, etc), you’re stuck either selling it on eBay or Craigslist, or trading it at GameStop.
    It’s not even the fact that the mode was removed (although I know it sucks for those that enjoy it), but rather, the fact it was taken out without letting the customer know.
    I don’t even play season mode (I’m a franchise guy), and I can see how wrong, and underhanded this whole debacle is.
    Shame on you SDS for not letting the customer make an informed decision, and allowing them to waste money on a product in which a mode was taken out. There’s no way to know if it was taken out or not beforehand, unless you sat on your purchase and waiting for other people to find out first. You dropped the ball on this one.
    They never said it was gonna be in either
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    midnightbottle
    They never said it was gonna be in either
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    Yeah, but it’s always been there. They’ve never had to say it was gonna be in, because it’s always been. You don’t say features are being left in the game, it’s just assumed they are.
    xNeurosiis
    Yeah, but it’s always been there. They’ve never had to say it was gonna be in, because it’s always been. You don’t say features are being left in the game, it’s just assumed they are.
    Well don't assume then
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    midnightbottle
    Well don't assume then
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    Haha, uh, no. It doesn’t work like that. If a feature is in your product, and its always been there, then it falls on the developer to let the customer know that feature isn’t there anymore. Stop being contrarian.
    xNeurosiis
    Haha, uh, no. It doesn’t work like that. If a feature is in your product, and its always been there, then it falls on the developer to let the customer know that feature isn’t there anymore. Stop being contrarian.
    Stop assuming that a mode that really like ten people play should be in a game anymore.
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    midnightbottle
    Stop assuming that a mode that really like ten people play should be in a game anymore.
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    Stop defending bad business practices. These are people who just wasted $60+ on a franchise they like. Obviously you’ve never been burned by a purchase, or you’d understand the value of a dollar. Later.
    xNeurosiis
    Stop defending bad business practices. These are people who just wasted $60+ on a franchise they like. Obviously you’ve never been burned by a purchase, or you’d understand the value of a dollar. Later.
    I bought a virtual boy don't get me started on burned *******. Maybe you people should understand that some modes become stale and need to be removed. Everyone here loves to say they love baseball but then they go and play 29 game seasons. That isn't baseball.
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    hyacinth1
    It's not like season mode affected the servers. Why take it out.

    It affects servers the moment in which you play Season Mode instead of Diamond Dinasty.
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  14. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  15. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  16. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.


  17. What about those of use who were planning on carrying our season files forward. It's not that you removed the mode that has me pissed off. It's that fact that you removed the mode without telling anyone and purposely waited for us to discover the news after we forked out our money. This was low. This was very low. What are you planning on removing next year?
    midnightbottle
    I bought a virtual boy don't get me started on burned *******. Maybe you people should understand that some modes become stale and need to be removed. Everyone here loves to say they love baseball but then they go and play 29 game seasons. That isn't baseball.
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    Not everyone has the time to play 162 games. If you have the time to play 162 games more power to you.
    Besides, season and franchise modes are similar besides the fact that you can control the amount of games and innings played. Im asking for those 2 options to be included in franchise mode, thats all.
    xNeurosiis
    I see why you’re so salty now. It’s been 23 years man, let it go.
    Right after you get over season modes getting the ax twenty years after they should have
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    midnightbottle
    Right after you get over season modes getting the ax twenty years after they should have
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    Why are you being such a douchebag? I don’t play season mode, but those who do have absolutely every right to be upset. I’m sure you can find better things to do with your time.
    Just terrible business practice on SDS part. It’s also pretty terrifying to see how much their transparency has changed over the past few years.
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  18. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  19. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  20. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.
  21. How can the amount of games in a season be changed?
    How do people import existing seasons?
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    Season mode was my preferred way to play. I don't care about the minor leagues, nor the fictitious progression of players at the level. I only want major leaguers playing a major league schedule. That's it. Now that very simple way of playing has been removed. Unacceptable.
    I just wanna hear them TRY to give a justification for removing seasons. What on Earth caused them to remove a feature that wasn't broken and many folks enjoyed and preferred over franchise?
    If they looked at metrics and said, wow nobody plays this mode, we should remove it, that's piss poor and a tone deaf call. For a game that brags about giving players streamlined ways to play baseball, removing this and forcing people to play franchise is horrible.
    Now we know why the touted "phases" so much for franchise when nobody EVER complained that franchise takes too long.
    And the fact that you don't mention the removal of seasons before people pre-order is downright criminal. SDS is shades of EA.
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    I want to know if i can use the classic rosters in franchise mode.
    Usually play classic seasons and have no idea if the classic rosters are suitable for franchise play.
    midnightbottle
    I bought a virtual boy don't get me started on burned *******. Maybe you people should understand that some modes become stale and need to be removed. Everyone here loves to say they love baseball but then they go and play 29 game seasons. That isn't baseball.
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    If the mode has become stale and SDS was going to take it out i would have appreciated a heads up.
    MLB the show 18 looks and plays great, but since season mode is pretty much the only mode i play i would not have bought it knowing season mode would not be in.
    Thats probably the reason why they did not mention, people not buying the game because of this (not you obviously but us season player, probably more than 10 people).
    I fully understand games moving more and more towards online (even though i don't like that) but SDS strength was Always to add stuff without taking other stuff out.
    They really dropped the ball on this one.
    Ebpmd
    Unbelievable!!!! I have seasons 1971, 1973, 1975 and 1978 that I planned on transferring over to 18.

    This^^^^
    I aways used classic teams in the season mode.
    Yeah I'm usually one to hold this company in particular to high standards because in the past they have been the company to seem to always be for the people, and what I mean by that is they didn't use bogus moves or tactics to get over on people like a lot of other company's in the past.
    This is a very very low ball move, seriously, I mean how can you have a calender full of launch events, hype this game up to no end, talk about what's coming blah, blah, blah only to (oops, I FORGOT TO MENTION WHERE REMOVING SEASON MODE)
    Sorry but this is unacceptable and I feel very hurt by this, I don't play franchise to be honest, I played season mode and road to the show. This is a very very bad thing. This is officially my LAST DAY 1 Per Order. And I mean it.
    I was already holding out on other company's as a wait and buy, but thx to this move I can now add this game to the list. I mean this is dirty.... don't tell no one nothing and have the nerve!!!! To come in now and say "oh yeah, no big deal just shrink the number of games in franchise mode.
    Smh...
    I'm installing 17.... the only fix I see in this guys is to basically go back into 17 start your season over and start a new franchise with those seasons rosters. Then load them up as a franchise file. Turn your numbered games you'd like to play, turn off all the franchise stuff and then basically do your 1 year season.
    Mannnn so disappointed.
    adh5199
    I just wanna hear them TRY to give a justification for removing seasons.

    I suspect we're not going to hear a word about it...someone on here said that he was even asking about it and got no response. Kudos to him for asking. I never would've dreamed it would be taken out cause I always considered it part of franchise mode itself.
    But...they knew they were removing it. They knew people would be disappointed. They knew people using carry-over saves would be majorly screwed...especially if they were using customized rosters...and they deliberately said nothing.
    This is THE worst move I've ever seen from this company...and I am not blaming our dev contacts who show up here.
    At least they announced they were removing online franchise, for better or worse, but season mode players - who were using a feature that was a staple of the game for 10 years - don't get that courtesy, apparently.
    What really burns is they established the ability to carry over season mode files from year to year...doesn't this imply the mode would be there to stay? They say, "Hey! Great new feature! You can now carry over your season files!" only to follow up by yanking the whole feature out from under you.
    But because the feature was there, some people who truly want to take advantage of all the features of gameplay wind up spending much more time and effort setting up rosters and taking their time playing the game...no need to hurry, you can keep right on going with the new game next year. THAT WAS THE POINT...
    Perhaps they regret adding year-to-year saves. I'm starting to see it, now. That option allows people to immerse themselves in a mode that doesn't have the potential to generate additional revenue. Maybe they want to herd more and more people into DD and away from franchise altogether...pretty obvious, when you think. They have, what, one guy working on franchise mode?
    Does every company have to follow in the footsteps of EA? I quit Madden many years ago because they would take features out and then add them back in claiming the feature was "new"...I was always eager to support this company precisely because they didn't do stuff like that, but now it's finally caught up...
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  22. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  23. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  24. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

  25. How about those of us that played season mode just so we could do shorter seasons ? Do you have a solution for that too ? I mean I like franchise mode and all but i always also do a season mode with shorter seasons since i dont always have the time to do long seasons like in franchise mode. Would be nice to know what the reason was why its been taken out of the game btw.
    midnightbottle
    I bought a virtual boy don't get me started on burned *******. Maybe you people should understand that some modes become stale and need to be removed. Everyone here loves to say they love baseball but then they go and play 29 game seasons. That isn't baseball.
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    Some people have jobs, kids and a life outside their PS4. Keep it up...
    Never played a day of season mode in my life and I normally think highly of SDS and how they do business, but this isn't good business. Either they knew that a certain amount of people wouldn't buy knowing season mode was taken out or they overlooked it.......either are unacceptable. Just disappointed in SDS here, not that the mode is removed, but just the way people found out about it after and only after buying.
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    seasprite
    Never played a day of season mode in my life and I normally think highly of SDS and how they do business, but this isn't good business. Either they knew that a certain amount of people wouldn't buy knowing season mode was taken out or they overlooked it.......either are unacceptable. Just disappointed in SDS here, not that the mode is removed, but just the way people found out about it after and only after buying.
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    I agree with this 100%. I'm not a season mode player, but I get the frustration. There's no excuse for them not to mention it during one of their many announcements over the past 6 weeks.
    I remember at least one guy during the Franchise stream asking repeatedly in chat about Season Mode and whether it was still in. I obliviously assured him the mode would still be in the game, since SDS usually never removes things from previous years.
    Now I know why his repeated questions got ignored. Not cool.
    SDS used to be so good at communicating with the fan base. Not only here at OS, but in the streams answering loads of questions. Now they answer maybe two or three questions per stream, and spend the rest of the time hootin' and hollering and overreacting to DD cards.
    It's not just that this was failed be mentioned. A lot of classic roster players spend a lot of time setting up seasons knowing that they can be transferred year to year. Myself for example make all my player edits within season mode to ensure accurate results. As a result I do not have a for example 1978 roster saved. Just a 1978 season saved fully having expected to be able to transfer it to '18. Sure I can export all the players from a season. Then create a new franchise with those players... but that is a tedious process.
    Ebpmd
    It's not just that this was failed be mentioned. A lot of classic roster players spend a lot of time setting up seasons knowing that they can be transferred year to year. Myself for example make all my player edits within season mode to ensure accurate results. As a result I do not have a for example 1978 roster saved. Just a 1978 season saved fully having expected to be able to transfer it to '18. Sure I can export all the players from a season. Then create a new franchise with those players... but that is a tedious process.
    If they had mentioned it before, then it wouldn't have been a big deal. The issue here is that they failed to mention it's removal for whatever reason before release. It would have still sucked for those that enjoy the mode, but an entirely different issue than withholding information about a product that may affect whether or not a consumer would purchase or not after knowing. It's bad business and shady.
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    Well I am defiantly sticking with 17. Not having season mode is inexcusable. I don't like playing franchise mode and doing all the trade stuff and all that. I like it simple. I will maybe pick it up when it goes on sale for $20. Its not even 24 hours that the game is out and not seeing people saying it's a drastic step up from 17. Oh well.
    I just don't understand the reasoning behind removing this mode. I understand online franchise cause of the repairing of servers they had to do, but season mode didn't hurt anything. This is a bad move. Also, not telling anyone? Why?
    slider916
    Even with season mode being removed. Can't you simulate some games and play ones that you want to play manually?
    Some people (like me) hate the idea of simming anything. After all, we didn't buy the game to not play baseball. Some people also don't have time to play 162 games, but still want to see the post season and off season some time this year.
    Taking away options is always bad, but understandable. Taking away options without telling people is unacceptable, and made even worse when you incentivize pre-ordering. Just because the rest of the industry is so aweful doesn't mean we should lower the bar for SDS. They should know better. They should be better. The fans have every right to be upset.
    Jeez I'm upset and I'm a franchise only player. All I can think now is "what are they going to take away next year?".
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    I agree the overall optics of this look bad and uncharacteristic of SDS. I don’t play season mode but I feel bad for those that do.
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    This is bad form on the part of SDS....Season Mode is a major game mode, and it was cut without warning. At least they made a big to-do about removing online franchise.
    I feel pretty awful for those folks who played Season Mode. What a letdown...
    I only play offline Franchise and RTTS modes, so though it does not personally impact me, I am disappointed they would take away an option enjoyed by many for no particular reason. Frankly, they have been showing a clear preference for online gameplay and DD for several years, so this is no surprise (and the profit motive is certainly understandable). They make their decisions, and I make mine. The last version I purchased at full retail (preordered even) was 15 (since I could cross play with my beloved and abandoned Vita). I bought 16 after the season (used). I skipped on 17 entirely, and will probably do so again with 18. Until they make any meaningful changes to the modes I play, I have little reason to buy (and taking away training points does not strike me as a plus for RTTS). I totally agree with others who have said this game lost the faith for a preorder.
    I'm blown away that this many people play season mode. seems, imo, redundant to me. Can't you automate owner tasks and just manage rosters, lineups etc? Or is there another reason people play it as opposed to franchise?
    That said, it sucks a lot for the people who were planning on playing it.
    Well, I'm glad I haven't picked up my order..I'm sorry for those who already bought it and found season mode no longer there..It is the only mode I play and have played since forever..
    Thanks for nothing Sony!
    I don't play season mode, so this doesn't affect me. But this is horrible optics for SDS. Not even one mention of it to the community is just bad, bad, bad.
    I've never played Season Mode, but this is why anytime I plan on buying a game I look up as much as I can about it first. If something isn't mentioned, like this year they never said there will be a season mode, I'd figure it wasn't part of the game. Life's too short to get upset at a company for not including something that was never confirmed.
    I know I’ve spouted off a lot in this thread, and other posters have said the same (including myself), but can we just appreciate how completely unethical and underhanded this is?
    For some people, this is the one game they look forward to every year. For others, that’s $60 of extremely hard-earned cash (essentially) wasted. It’s just disgusting, frankly, that SDS and Sony would not tell people they’re removing a feature, and not allowing customers to make an informed decision about what they want to spend their money on.
    It’s one thing when you buy a product and are dissatisfied, it’s another when your sole purpose of using said product doesn’t even exist anymore.
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    I'm an offline franchise player and don't play season mode, but just want to express solidarity with my fellow offline players because it's clear from the last few years we are not a priority however still an assumed yearly purchase. I think it's messed up that all the time and effort you put in being disrespected when they could've come out months ago when they knew and gave you a warning...not how it should work.
    xNeurosiis
    I know I’ve spouted off a lot in this thread, and other posters have said the same (including myself), but can we just appreciate how completely unethical and underhanded this is?
    For some people, this is the one game they look forward to every year. For others, that’s $60 of extremely hard-earned cash (essentially) wasted. It’s just disgusting, frankly, that SDS and Sony would not tell people they’re removing a feature, and not allowing customers to make an informed decision about what they want to spend their money on.
    It’s one thing when you buy a product and are dissatisfied, it’s another when your sole purpose of using said product doesn’t even exist anymore.
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    I agree with you 100% and and it seems to be getting pushed under the rug. But that's life huh. That's why this world is in the shape it is in now, greed and politics. People see the problem but scared to stand up for what's is right. I've said what I've had to say and honestly I've had it. Better believe lesson has been learned 100% Fact.
    What's done in the dark comes to light.
    Better believe that.
    I can not believe they removed the mode I pretty much use the most which is Season mode! :(
    Why did SDS make no mention of this before people like me who LOVE Season mode made their pre order??????
    I can not believe Russell or any of the guys said nothing about this on the twitch streams.
    I do not play franchise mode and I want my season mode back!!!!!!
    This was very sneaky and I have lost a lot of respect for SDS I am so pissed off it's not even funny!! :(
    I would think it would be fairly easy to patch it back in if there is a big enough uproar and people actually cancel their orders because of it. Either way they should address it and try to explain their reasoning which we all know would make no sense.
    I've got to ask the franchise guys one very important thing.
    Is it possible to use franchise mode 100% like season mode?
    What I mean is just play 1 season without having to worry about all that extra stuff like running a team and on?
    All I want to do is play a season and sometimes make trades or what ever and that's it!
    They should have definitely communicated this, mainly for the save transfers reasoning.
    While 80% of my time is spent in RttS, I did pluck around in Season Mode in the past over Franchise as I got older and time became an issue, for just having the least amount of overhead to worry about. I really do miss the Live rosters for the actual MLB games of the day they used to have as well.
    If SDS wants to remove something how about removing your god awful Play by play? :( Yes it still sucks in 18!
    In my 10 plus years buying MLB The Show this is the first time I have been so mad!!!
    tnixen
    I've got to ask the franchise guys one very important thing.
    Is it possible to use franchise mode 100% like season mode?
    What I mean is just play 1 season without having to worry about all that extra stuff like running a team and on?
    All I want to do is play a season and sometimes make trades or what ever and that's it!
    Honestly running a franchise is not that much more difficult. And yes, much of the process can be automated.
    There are some confusing rules at particular moments in time, but the new phases and ui update make it very easy for newcomers, and again most of it can be automated.
    For me, the big issue with removing season mode is the removal of the option to play less then 162 games a season, and the inability for players to carry over their old season. If you want to have a 162 game season that plays like old season mode, that is very possible.
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    TheWarmWind

    Jeez I'm upset and I'm a franchise only player. All I can think now is "what are they going to take away next year?".

    I don't have the game yet but went last night on twitch to see people playing when it came out at midnight. Every broadcast was people opening packs. When I was viewing, there was not one person playing an actual game.
    So that shows you where they are concentrating on. Our beloved offline modes are going to be a thing of the past.
    hyacinth1
    I don't have the game yet but went last night on twitch to see people playing when it came out at midnight. Every broadcast was people opening packs. When I was viewing, there was not one person playing an actual game.
    So that shows you where they are concentrating on. Our beloved offline modes are going to be a thing of the past.

    Talk about boring I could care less about those darn card packs! If I want baseball cards I want real ones that I keep in binder like when I was much younger :brickwall
    Remember years ago when Russell said they never take anything away only add to the game?
    What a crock of you know what :(
    hyacinth1
    I don't have the game yet but went last night on twitch to see people playing when it came out at midnight. Every broadcast was people opening packs. When I was viewing, there was not one person playing an actual game.
    So that shows you where they are concentrating on. Our beloved offline modes are going to be a thing of the past.

    Exactly this. It’s what I noticed in my original comment - it’s all pack openings. Who gives a **** about playing the actual game anymore, or the nuances that come with baseball sims, when you can open packs and have people smash that like button and subscribe? Either offline stuff will be gone, or it’ll be such a watered-down, diluted version, that it won’t even be worth playing.
    xNeurosiis
    Exactly this. It’s what I noticed in my original comment - it’s all pack openings. Who gives a **** about playing the actual game anymore, or the nuances that come with baseball sims, when you can open packs and have people smash that like button and subscribe? Either offline stuff will be gone, or it’ll be such a watered-down, diluted version, that it won’t even be worth playing.

    It's funny...I like playing DD, but watching videos of people opening packs sounds ridiculous. It's essentially like watching a person sitting at a slot machine, pulling the handle on that one-armed bandit for hours.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    It's funny...I like playing DD, but watching videos of people opening packs sounds ridiculous. It's essentially like watching a person sitting at a slot machine, pulling the handle on that one-armed bandit for hours.

    Now I know what elders meant when I was a kid, "I will never understand the youth, and their interests", since every generation it seems to shift. :crazy:
    Yeah I've always played season mode. I don't want to deal with all of the franchise mode garbage. But I also do a fantasy draft every year & play as 1 team all 162 games. It makes the teams more balanced & games more competitive, IMO. With a franchise mode fantasy draft, I think the AI will draft younger players over higher rated players for all other teams, because of future seasons (which I won't be playing).
    Fantasy drafts are still in the game.....RIGHT????
    Fear
    It sucks that you have to be fearful of buying a game each year wondering if a feature you like has been removed or not. I personally had that same fear when I put that $59.99 into my cart.
    I don't think this fear should be dependent upon people who buy the game early. And sure some will say well don't buy it! But that's beside the point.
    MLB The Show
    MLB The Show is not a bad game! SDS is not a bad studio! But it's the only MLB game on the market. With that said I don't think people's frustration is directly with developers.
    I feel it's more of legacy issues that get overlooked while a new mode pops up and a classic mode is removed. Each iteration the hope is that those legacy things will get fixed or something will get corrected from the previous year!
    A Numbers Game
    Towards the end of the developer stream yesterday. Numbers were read out in the amount of seconds equal to playing time. So the goal and focus is clear.
    Unfortunately this mode was removed so I completely understand how everyone feels! To open up a box of the only item on the market and a key piece of why you brought it is not there without a note! Just leaves a empty feeling inside of you.
    I am trying to hold out until next week in hopes there is a patch that will get released to fixed to turn off the slow motion on defense as stated or otherwise I just lost $59.99 unfortunately!
    TheWarmWind
    All I can think now is "what are they going to take away next year?".

    Nothing that makes them more money in addition to the 60 bucks people have already paid.
    Season mode doesn't make them loot...Packs/Stubs are pretty useless in that mode..
    Each year, I play a lot of season mode. I didn't want to deal with the minor leagues, and other aspects of franchise mode.
    I am definitely disappointed in this decision, and it seems strange that season mode would be removed when there has been an emphasis on catering to the casual players. I think season mode would be more inviting to new players.
    I still love the game, but I think this will hurt the reputation of the game and the studio. Not cool to just remove a mode that has been in the game for years without any mention of that possibility at all. It's clear that they knew there would be a backlash, so they withheld the information until launch.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    It's funny...I like playing DD, but watching videos of people opening packs sounds ridiculous. It's essentially like watching a person sitting at a slot machine, pulling the handle on that one-armed bandit for hours.

    I got click baited into a YouTube video last night before the game unlocked. The title of the video made it sound important. But what was the content of the video? Some dude walking from the parking lot of the mall and into the mall. That's as far as I got before I said WTF am I doing watching this crap. But I assume the rest of the video was the dude walking into the video store and buying a copy of the game. The world is getting more and more messed up every day with narcissism. But I am happy that at least many of us here on these forms care about actually playing the game of baseball versus this nonsense of opening up card packs.
    I assume it was removed as it was probably the least played mode in the game. chopping block.
    Also, if you want to just play games in franchise without all the worry of contracts, minors, etc. then just set all of it to auto and the CPU will handle everything for you. I honestly enjoy everything franchise has to offer. Give it a go,
    JayD
    I assume it was removed as it was probably the least played mode in the game. chopping block.
    Also, if you want to just play games in franchise without all the worry of contracts, minors, etc. then just set all of it to auto and the CPU will handle everything for you. I honestly enjoy everything franchise has to offer. Give it a go,

    Not the point. Also, people want to just select 28 or 56 games in a season which you can't now. The main point is that they did it without even saying anything which is pretty shady.
    I heard a rumour about this yesterday and frankly it's pretty appalling for them to remove it and not tell anyone before release. That's straight up scamming people in my book as they have purposely withheld the information, knowing that they'd lose sales if they announced it.
    Really poor form SDS.
    I usually can find a reason to defend SDS but there is no defense for this. The fact they not only removed it but didn't tell anyone is offensive. How many live streams did they have? They didn't think at anytime this might be important.
    While this mode is NOT one I play, I have always viewed removing features as a negative. But this is bigger. This is a mode that has ALWAYS BEEN THERE. It isn't a new feature for a few years they decided was unimportant and just dropped. This is SEASON MODE. It existed before Franchise mode. SDS needs to patch this in ASAP or offer refunds to the folks they didn't warn about this omission. What's next? Are you going to remove Franchise and not tell us next year?
    Sorry, SDS. But you cannot be defend on this one. This is unacceptable. One could defend the removal of Online Franchise for a year while you got the servers straightened out. (Defend but not be OK with.) But there is NO REASON to remove this feature. And there is NO EXCUSE to not tell anyone.
    Shame on you, SDS. We expect better from you guys.
    midnightbottle
    They never said it was gonna be in either
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    This is a pretty ridiculous stance to take. lol
    Did they say there was gonna be dirt on the fields? And grass? Did they say the White Sox are in the game? That the player models have eyeballs?
    We shouldn't have to search for visual evidence that something like this wasn't removed. A simple notification is all people would've needed, then to go through a "grieving process" for those affected. To go through a 2 month hyping process to just happen to forget to say "oh, we took out a major mode" is the worst kind of optics. It makes customers feel cheated. And even if those customers are wrong (they're not!), you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you so to speak.
    There really is no "yeah, but..." counterargument here. Best of luck to anyone who even tries to do so...
    adh5199
    I just wanna hear them TRY to give a justification for removing seasons. What on Earth caused them to remove a feature that wasn't broken and many folks enjoyed and preferred over franchise?
    If they looked at metrics and said, wow nobody plays this mode, we should remove it, that's piss poor and a tone deaf call. For a game that brags about giving players streamlined ways to play baseball, removing this and forcing people to play franchise is horrible.
    Now we know why the touted "phases" so much for franchise when nobody EVER complained that franchise takes too long.
    And the fact that you don't mention the removal of seasons before people pre-order is downright criminal. SDS is shades of EA.
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    Now "phases" is making a whole lot more sense, eh? :D
    Millennium
    I'm going to remind all of you:
    You can be upset. But if you attack anyone, INCLUDING the guy from SDS here on his own time trying to help however he can, you will not be welcome at OS anymore.
    We're better than that, folks.
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    I'd be curious to see what your take is? Both on them removing the mode and how they ended up going about it?
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  26. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  27. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  28. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

  29. You Season mode enthusiasts can be disappointed about this...actually you should be furious I think. But, Victor here is giving good advice (^^) for those of you who played Season mode because you were intimidated by Franchise mode and didn't want to do any of the managing stuff. Franchise mode with everything set to "auto" (except setting your own lineups probably) is kinda like a better Season mode.
    If you were playing Season mode for other reasons (custom season length, porting rosters etc) well, then you're kinda screwed.
    extremeskins04
    Not the point. Also, people want to just select 28 or 56 games in a season which you can't now. The main point is that they did it without even saying anything which is pretty shady.

    I have to agree with you. Even though I didn't play season mode in the past, I was really thinking about rolling with season mode this year since my time for gaming has decreased significantly over the years. I applauded SDS for not removing features but like others have said, I hope SDS does not eventually become like EA. Unfortunately, it seems like they are trending that way with DD and show packs. Hope I am wrong on this one since MLB 18 looks and plays great.
    JayD
    I assume it was removed as it was probably the least played mode in the game. chopping block.
    Also, if you want to just play games in franchise without all the worry of contracts, minors, etc. then just set all of it to auto and the CPU will handle everything for you. I honestly enjoy everything franchise has to offer. Give it a go,

    I doubt this mode was used less than Retro Mode. But since that was a focus for them last year, they cut something that has been there since the game started. SDS should have just left it alone. Wasn't like they had to do much to update Season Mode.
    I do not understand the removal of Season mode, but Retro Mode stays in. What is even more strange, they incorporated Retro into Franchise, but... still no Season. If RTTS was not my main mode of play, I would seriously reconsider opening it when it arrives.
    Paying $38 for it at the end of the day for the MVP Edition makes it much easier to swallow.
    They also should have been more forthcoming with letting the community know. I seen the question asked in many streams, and have it go unanswered.
    EnigmaNemesis
    I do not understand the removal of Season mode, but Retro Mode stays in. What is even more strange, they incorporated Retro into Franchise, but... still no Season. If RTTS was not my main mode of play, I would seriously reconsider opening it when it arrives.
    Paying $38 for it at the end of the day for the MVP Edition makes it much easier to swallow.
    They also should have been more forthcoming with letting the community know. I seen the question asked in many streams, and have it go unanswered.

    I didnt think about Retro mode since I played it for 5 mins and didnt care for it last year. I think it is sort of shady that this was not mentioned at all that the mode was removed before the game was released. I honestly would have still bought the game but I understand completely why those who have been playing season mode for years would be upset and feel deceived. It is not cool how SDS did not mention this.
    Nature_Boy

    I really hope Sony gets crushed in the media for this. Their customers need to send a strong message that this is unacceptable and they deserve more respect.
    The sad part is the devs probably hate the decision as much as we do, but the suits at Sony probably made them do it for some stupid corporate reason. I don't think the devs sat down and said "hey, guys so how do we finally get rid of Season mode?"
    I honestly thought Season mode was removed a long time ago. I seem to remember people griping about that. Maybe that was for 2K or a different sports game altogether.
    As far as season/franchise carry-over, they better hope it's an important feature, because that's what gets me to buy the next game more than anything. I want to continue my franchise from the previous season. I can see why seasons-people would want to do the same thing.
    If one of the constraints is on memory, maybe that is why the mode is gone. Every time they introduce something new (more stadiums, jerseys, commentary types, heck even animations), I ask myself: "At what cost?" Not everything can just be thrown into the game; some things have to be removed to make that happen. Granted, I believe they are able to get items to store on your HDD instead of the disc, but that's neither here nor there.
    I'd like to pretend that SDS wasn't aware that anybody asked about Season mode, in that they would answer
    honestly one way or the other. So with that, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I mean they mentioned no more online franchise mode (at least for this year, but we'll see what happens) so I reckon they would have possibly said the same for no Season mode. But I was not poking around the areas when those questions were asked, so I cannot comment on the stated ignorance that everyone else seems to be claiming.
    I am seeing the slippery slope of lack of options, though. There was a time when you could turn off a home run celebration camera, mute certain announcers, use analog hitting with a zone mechanism (I think they may have brought that back?), have a full uncut broadcast presentation, have a regular looking ball (instead of the "beach ball" look), not see slowdown on the infield in RttS, play a Vita copy of the game (hell, in the Vita version you really had a big beach ball and text pop-ups for FOUL and OUT, neither of which you could disable for any release of that game)... the list goes on. Hell, even Analog pitching still doesn't have a way for hiding the ball cursor on the graphic, and I have been requesting that since the MLB '11 demo (among other things). I am becoming more and more limited to what it is I can do on the field, or so it seems... and the things that have always felt like pretty obvious add-on options never came to be.
    The "out of the box" version of this game is not the one that I play; I really don't like that game much to be honest, and I have to tweak the hell out of it to my liking. That's good and fine, but when those items are removed and they have little chance of seeing the light of day again, you're thrown into the mix of simply settling or selling. I love The Show, and I can't wait to get my copy of the game and hopefully transfer my franchise over without a hiccup, but this game never was a must-buy. They still have to earn my almighty dollar, and twice in the past ten years they have not earned it.
    I feel incredibly sorry for those who lost Season mode, but for me it's kind of like hearing a celebrity died and I'm sitting there like: "Wait, I thought he was already dead?" It does speak volumes about their overall path for many options, though. I think it is diminishing, whereas others on here swear by the fact that nothing is ever removed. That is not true at all. I just hope they weren't being intentionally deceitful about removing this thing and not letting anyone know about it.
    Victor_SDS
    Hi folks. While the option for Season mode is no longer available, there are steps you can take to create a similar experience to it within Franchise mode.
  30. Set the GM Contracts option to OFF in the mode entry options list.
  31. On the Franchise Responsibilities page, set Player Development & GM Tasks to AUTO.
  32. From there, you can control how much or how little you want to control by visiting User Settings > Mode Specific Options to tailor what additional areas you want to control.

  33. Victor,
    Thank you for the workaround and being here while a lot of folks are upset. I do have a couple of questions. I don't know if you have the time or the authorizations to answer them but I am going to ask then just wait on a reply.
    1. Why wasn't the removal of this mode announced? I only play Franchise mode but I get why this is so frustrating to so many gamers. If you removed Franchise mode, the only mode I play, and didn't tell me I'd be upset too I spent my money on the game. So why not just tell everyone before the release?
    2. What reason is there for the removal of this mode? I can't see any justification but maybe there is one. I'm more than willing to listen if you can answer.
    3. Should we expect more core modes to just vanish moving forward without any announcement?
    4. Is there any chance, due to the outrage over the removal, that this mode could be patched back into the game?
    I'm not going to badger you or press you on these questions. I know that you may be limited in what you can answer. I get that as I work for a company as well. I still thank you for at least coming into the thread with the workaround you gave above but I know for some that isn't going to be the same thing.
    Thank you for your time.
    For those that just want to play the games and not manage anything else, you can still enjoy the game.
    In Franchise, you can set everything to auto and just play the games. If you have other reasons like season length, then their may not not be a fit.
    But if it's just being simple and playing games, you can get a similar experience in Franchise.
    Vmascarello
    For those that just want to play the games and not manage anything else, you can still enjoy the game.
    In Franchise, you can set everything to auto and just play the games. If you have other reasons like season length, then their may not not be a fit.
    But if it's just being simple and playing games, you can get a similar experience in Franchise.

    Pardon the ignorance, but how true is this? If I set everything to auto and just play the games like I would in season mode, I don't want the auto GM messing with my roster or lineups or anything. Is there a way to truly make franchise mode season mode, aside from the 162 game requirement?
    thescoop
    Victor,
    Thank you for the workaround and being here while a lot of folks are upset. I do have a couple of questions. I don't know if you have the time or the authorizations to answer them but I am going to ask then just wait on a reply.
    1. Why wasn't the removal of this mode announced? I only play Franchise mode but I get why this is so frustrating to so many gamers. If you removed Franchise mode, the only mode I play, and didn't tell me I'd be upset too I spent my money on the game. So why not just tell everyone before the release?
    2. What reason is there for the removal of this mode? I can't see any justification but maybe there is one. I'm more than willing to listen if you can answer.
    3. Should we expect more core modes to just vanish moving forward without any announcement?
    4. Is there any chance, due to the outrage over the removal, that this mode could be patched back into the game?
    I'm not going to badger you or press you on these questions. I know that you may be limited in what you can answer. I get that as I work for a company as well. I still thank you for at least coming into the thread with the workaround you gave above but I know for some that isn't going to be the same thing.
    Thank you for your time.

    Very good constructive questions.
    I've always only played Season mode. At times, I've felt like Season mode's biggest advocate here. Seems like every year somebody creates a Franchise vs. Season thread, and I tout the benefits of Season, including the fact you could play more than just one season.
    So it's pretty disappointing the mode is gone.
    I liked it for its simplicity. I liked managing just my 40-man roster. I don't care about budgets, training or scouting. I really just want to play. I realize I can set all that stuff to auto in Franchise mode. But it's not the same.
    Dealing with just a 40-man roster limits your trade options. I liked that challenge. I liked not having to keep tabs on AA/AAA players. Like all my sports games, I wanted the focus to be on the field.
    I'd have purchased MLB 18 regardless. I'll play Franchise mode. I'll almost certainly have fun with it. But this may be the last MLB game I buy.
    One of the things I always respected about SDS was I felt like they made a game for us. They gave us multiple options on how to play the game. They touted that they didn't remove features.
    It now feels like they made a game for them and they really hope we like playing their way. It's the Madden approach. That's disappointing to me. And it's doubly disappointing they didn't bother to communicate the removal of Season mode. I realize us Season guys are in the minority. But it's a slap in the face to not even tell us. Pretty insulting since I've been playing this series since MLB 98 on the PS1.
    whitesox2020champs
    Pardon the ignorance, but how true is this? If I set everything to auto and just play the games like I would in season mode, I don't want the auto GM messing with my roster or lineups or anything. Is there a way to truly make franchise mode season mode, aside from the 162 game requirement?

    Set anything you want to control to MANUAL. Set everything else to AUTO. It's actually quite modular. You can just control your lineups if you want. You can have the AI do everything else. There are quite a few ON/OFF toggles and you can set them exactly how you want them.
    EnigmaNemesis
    Very good constructive questions.

    Thank you. I wanted to be respectful and also let him know I realize he might not be authorized to answer. But if he can't hopefully he'll at least be able to get someone who is to issue a statement.
    I still really like the SDS team. Those guys have usually been upfront with us. They were on the removal of Online Franchise this year so I think honest respectful questions are owned. If we expect answers, we can't just be all on attack mode.
    Vmascarello
    For those that just want to play the games and not manage anything else, you can still enjoy the game.
    In Franchise, you can set everything to auto and just play the games. If you have other reasons like season length, then their may not not be a fit.
    But if it's just being simple and playing games, you can get a similar experience in Franchise.

    I also feel there is a certain niceness of "finality" to capping off Season mode. That's why games that have no real end are less valuable to some. If you feel like there is still more you can do and the game doesn't acknowledge it or provide closure, you'll either feel empty putting it down or tirelessly continue toward that endless void. When people complete their season, they know they finished it off and can start a new one.
    I'm personally the other way, in that if that season finishes I want to continue progressing (which is where Super Mega Baseball and even Rocket League were not my favorites when the seasons just ended), but I know how others feel about that.
    Their gripes are well-founded, though. They can't carry it over, they have to over-manage in some respects, they can't shorten the duration of their games or number of games, and there is no real finality. On top of that, other people seem like they would be somewhat content with the lack of the mode if it was announced and warranted beforehand. Then they would simply not purchase the game, and hope that next year maybe it would find its way back in. People are upset they were supposedly duped (maybe they were, maybe they weren't... I have no idea) and that we are seeing a trend toward certain online features, streamlining methods, and worst of all rewards systems that may or may not be achieved by paying for them.
    I normally just play franchise and ignore the other stuff, but I see what Phases are and that three-inning games are a touted feature worth releasing a trailer over (maybe on the back of the box as well?), not to mention those wacky home run celebrations (which I admit I will try out)... and I see where we may be headed. I gotta still say that I blame Manfred for that one. He's the one who is planting the seed in this ADHD world that if we can't have action and entertainment on-demand then we are not keeping up with the modern-day man.
    thescoop
    Thank you. I wanted to be respectful and also let him know I realize he might not be authorized to answer. But if he can't hopefully he'll at least be able to get someone who is to issue a statement.
    I still really like the SDS team. Those guys have usually been upfront with us. They were on the removal of Online Franchise this year so I think honest respectful questions are owned. If we expect answers, we can't just be all on attack mode.

    Completely agreed!
    ballSatchel
    I'm an offline franchise player and don't play season mode, but just want to express solidarity with my fellow offline players because it's clear from the last few years we are not a priority however still an assumed yearly purchase. I think it's messed up that all the time and effort you put in being disrespected when they could've come out months ago when they knew and gave you a warning...not how it should work.

    I played Season mode for the great classic team rosters that OS members contributed to the SDS roster download section (long, tedious hours of research and input).
    Yes, there will be work arounds in Franchise mode, but Season mode was great for classic rosters.
    Blzer
    If one of the constraints is on memory, maybe that is why the mode is gone.

    This is a poor excuse that should not ever be used. I am a seasoned software developer and any experienced developer builds their systems from the bottom up with inheritance in mind. You build low level components and add on to them and there is little to no impact on memory usage. From a users perspective Season Mode was the baby brother of Franchise Mode. But from an application architecture point of view Season Mode would be the ancestor of Franchise, not the descendant and there is no excuse to say Season Mode would occupy more space because Franchise extends what was in Season Mode. It's clear they use inheritance all over their product from the low level game play all the way up to the various modes.
    I have tons of faith that the SDS developers and QA staff are dedicated talented people. They have built a great game. But this has nothing to do with disk space and everything to do with the brass of SDS not giving a damn about the people who pay their wages. I may still buy their game in future years, but I am done with their pre-orders. SDS burned that bridge last night with their dishonesty.
    BTW what was up with the developer tournament all in slow mo? I couldn't watch it. That's not baseball. There is no slow mo when the pitch is thrown at the batter and no slow mo when the fielders field the ball.
    What is SDS planning on removing next year?
    ^ You're right. I know about inheritance as well. Just trying to think of whatever excuse it is they would have. "Not giving a damn" sounds more like stubbornness rather than any realm of logic.
    I think the reason for it being removed is pretty simple. If their data shows less than 10 percent (or whatever number it is) are playing Season mode, then why continue to spend resources on it? And, despite this thread, I imagine a relatively few actually play Season mode.
    I can understand why it was removed. I don't like not being told. And I don't like the shift in going away from making a game for everyone, even those in the minority. But I understand it.
    There was evidence of this behavior in the past, just on a smaller scale. When 15 was released, I found that they had removed the ability to access the detailed batting/pitching analysis screens using the touchpad, as well as the seamless transitions between pitches, foul balls, etc. The justification then was that both were largely unused by the vast majority of players. I hope that is not the case this time.
    Pretty disappointed on the way SDS never mentioned the removal of season mode until it was too late. Definitely a money grab, because I would have never pre-ordered, or possibly purchased, if I would have known prior.
    The removal of the mode is really not the issue, in my eyes. It was the way it was done - completely by surprise. It was purely a business decision, because they knew people would be upset and sales would suffer. It's business. I understand that is the whole point. Produce a product, sell it and make money.
    I think it would have been different if SDS would have been up-front and honest about this, given the community time to respond and, perhaps, get used to it and move on.
    I've been purchasing The Show every year since 2010....It was always an automatic purchase, because it is/was a fantastic game. Well, I have 18 (I pre-ordered), it downloaded automatically the other day. I just lost my enthusiasm for starting it up and trying it. Not entirely because of the missing mode, because I feel like I was conned in some weird way. I'm sure it is an excellent game, as usual. But, I no longer want to support and give my money to a company that has hides important details about their product - details that SDS knew would cause an uproar just to obtain maximum profit. The funny thing is, you can only do this once. Maybe I'm being naive. It's just a game and it's just $60.00. Well it was MY $60.00. I could have easily stayed with 17 and been happy.
    I'm sure I will try 18 later tonight and move on. But next year.....SDS lost a loyal customer. I might buy 19, AFTER release date and reading the reviews, as I normally do with all of my other purchases. And if I feel that 19 has made substantial core improvements, then I will purchase.
    That's business.
    LowerWolf
    I think the reason for it being removed is pretty simple. If their data shows less than 10 percent (or whatever number it is) are playing Season mode, then why continue to spend resources on it? And, despite this thread, I imagine a relatively few actually play Season mode.
    I can understand why it was removed. I don't like not being told. And I don't like the shift in going away from making a game for everyone, even those in the minority. But I understand it.

    You are right, as one of the effected Season mode gamers I am obviously ticked off today. But I am not ticked off because Season mode was removed. I am ticked off because SDS purposely hide this change from us. If they were honest and told us up front that they were turfing the mode, I may have still pre-ordered the game. The difference being that I would have been prepared for it and perhaps I would have stopped playing my MLB 17 Season mode file.
    BTW ... I had a blast last night playing as a new RTTS short stop in a prospects exhibition game where I was lucky enough to have been inserted into the home team's 3rd batting slot so while I missed the entire top of the 1st inning, from that point on in the game I was able to play the entire game in the field for every defensive pitch and while my team was on offense I either watched my teammates bat, was at the plate myself and luckily 2 out of my 4 plate appearances I got on base. I played a game of simulated computer baseball last night like I have never played before and it was awesome. However what I don't understand is why can't I start the game like this? Why did I have to wait for my 1st plate appearance? Apparently SDS removed this capability back in MLB 16. What is it with SDS removing stuff? It's fine if they want to cater to people who think that a baseball game should take no more than 9 minutes to play and that you can cruise through an entire career in a month. But some of us like playing the game the same way it's played in the real world where each pitch is thrown and possibly swung at and possibly hit. After all there is no clock in baseball. So why are we being force fed this hyper fast way to play the game. At least give us the choice to emulate the real game.
    cbrown119
    Pretty disappointed on the way SDS never mentioned the removal of season mode until it was too late. Definitely a money grab, because I would have never pre-ordered, or possibly purchased, if I would have known prior.
    The removal of the mode is really not the issue, in my eyes. It was the way it was done - completely by surprise. It was purely a business decision, because they knew people would be upset and sales would suffer. It's business. I understand that is the whole point. Produce a product, sell it and make money.
    I think it would have been different if SDS would have been up-front and honest about this, given the community time to respond and, perhaps, get used to it and move on.
    I've been purchasing The Show every year since 2010....It was always an automatic purchase, because it is/was a fantastic game. Well, I have 18 (I pre-ordered), it downloaded automatically the other day. I just lost my enthusiasm for starting it up and trying it. Not entirely because of the missing mode, because I feel like I was conned in some weird way. I'm sure it is an excellent game, as usual. But, I no longer want to support and give my money to a company that has hides important details about their product - details that SDS knew would cause an uproar just to obtain maximum profit. The funny thing is, you can only do this once. Maybe I'm being naive. It's just a game and it's just $60.00. Well it was MY $60.00. I could have easily stayed with 17 and been happy.
    I'm sure I will try 18 later tonight and move on. But next year.....SDS lost a loyal customer. I might buy 19, AFTER release date and reading the reviews, as I normally do with all of my other purchases. And if I feel that 19 has made substantial core improvements, then I will purchase.
    That's business.

    I guess you just have to decide how much you think your reputation is worth as a developer studio. And compare that to the dollar value of potential lost revenue for doing things the other way. That's a cynical way to look at it, but perhaps not an incorrect way in this instance.
    For their sake, I almost hope this was an oversight and they can patch it in.
    SDS has, in my eyes anyhow, had a pretty good reputation up to this point. I can be disappointed about lack of features and design decisions they've made, but it's hard to point out anything egregiously and intentionally bad until this, imo. Sure, they've struggled with online and servers, but that's more of a flaw/mistake and not a conscious piece of business strategy. It's not the same category as this.
    Can this be patched in? I'm sure SDS will added back in if possible. Prior versions had it so the code is probably still inside there hidden and with a quick patch boom!, it's there!....I hope anyway.
    Yea, I used seasons mode for classic teams with short season games so this mode was great for that.
    If dropping season mode because of memory it would at least be understandable.
    Somebody else mentioned the fact that because so few people play the mode, it would be a wast of resources.
    But my question would then be : which resources?
    Isn't season mode Always the same? I don't get resources being spent at the mode.
    Anyway, no other option then to go for a dumbed down franchise.
    I really like '18, the colors pop it smooth as butter.
    SDS have every right to add or delete stuff, im just disappointed about them not being open about it.
    Are there micro transactions in franchise mode? If yes then maybe that is why they deleted season mode?
    LowerWolf
    I think the reason for it being removed is pretty simple. If their data shows less than 10 percent (or whatever number it is) are playing Season mode, then why continue to spend resources on it? And, despite this thread, I imagine a relatively few actually play Season mode.
    I can understand why it was removed. I don't like not being told. And I don't like the shift in going away from making a game for everyone, even those in the minority. But I understand it.

    Thier numbers should show that less ppl use retro mode but that’s in the game.
    LowerWolf
    I think the reason for it being removed is pretty simple. If their data shows less than 10 percent (or whatever number it is) are playing Season mode, then why continue to spend resources on it? And, despite this thread, I imagine a relatively few actually play Season mode.
    I can understand why it was removed. I don't like not being told. And I don't like the shift in going away from making a game for everyone, even those in the minority. But I understand it.

    I didn't use season mode but I've stated previously my 100% belief SDS has no idea how many people are playing franchise, season, manage mode etc.
    It doesn't matter the reason, fact is they should have been up front with it. I don't use the mode as I am an offline Franchise player. But I would be pissed as hell if I bought the game and the mode I used was gone
    LowerWolf
    I think the reason for it being removed is pretty simple. If their data shows less than 10 percent (or whatever number it is) are playing Season mode, then why continue to spend resources on it? And, despite this thread, I imagine a relatively few actually play Season mode.
    I can understand why it was removed. I don't like not being told. And I don't like the shift in going away from making a game for everyone, even those in the minority. But I understand it.

    If they continue to show no love for modes like Franchise numbers will drop even lower than that. So what's next, a game with only Diamond Dinasty ? Numbers are numbers. Put in the dust a game mode and it will loose players.
    Instead of removing modes in such a greedy and shameful way, try to add some features to lure more players. This telemetry/data argument is literally trash and it shows only their lazyness to work on stuff which dosen't monetize well like DD. Just like EA.
    tessl
    I didn't use season mode but I've stated previously my 100% belief SDS has no idea how many people are playing franchise, season, manage mode etc.

    This is not true. They use telemetry statistics and are able to see how many minutes/seconds each mode has been played for.
    Now for those who do not connect online, I am sure that may not count, but I highly doubt that number is remotely high enough to alter statistics in this gen of gaming.
    CubFan23
    It doesn't matter the reason, fact is they should have been up front with it. I don't use the mode as I am an offline Franchise player. But I would be pissed as hell if I bought the game and the mode I used was gone

    I agree with this as a fellow offline Franchise player. And I do find it concerning because we don't know what they might take away next. While it seems unbelievable they would remove Franchise mode, the same would have been said of Season mode 5 years ago.
    And the fact they didn't tell anyone, despite the fact they had several chances to do so is the biggest reason most of us are mad.
    EnigmaNemesis
    This is not true. They use telemetry statistics and are able to see how many minutes/seconds each mode has been played for.
    Now for those who do not connect online, I am sure that may not count, but I highly doubt that number is remotely high enough to alter statistics in this gen of gaming.

    100% This ^^^, if you go to shownation.com and login it will tell you how long you played each mode
    CubFan23
    100% This ^^^, if you go to shownation.com and login it will tell you how long you played each mode

    I am also sure they have even more descriptive data we do not see behind that as well.
    Wow first the lack of franchise features and upgrades to not allowing us to continue with our MLB 17 season. Go hire some more staff and resources and work on this part of the game for crying out loud. Either you do this or stop ripping us off year after year with a roster update and some minor changes to the gameplay and UI.
    This is the reason why I want exclusive deals in sports gaming eliminated and made illegal.
    CubFan23
    100% This ^^^, if you go to shownation.com and login it will tell you how long you played each mode

    Regardless, they didn't tell us. Why wouldn't we assume it was in, it's always in. I was about to order when I decided to come here and I'm glad I did. MLB the Show used to be an automatic buy - it isn't any longer for me.
    The lack of transparency from a company I've respected and admired for a decade is shocking and disappointing. SDS has every right to remove a game mode if they feel its not played that much or needed to be bumped to make room for something else, I totally get that. I may not agree with the decision, but I understand the logic behind it.
    But, to remove an entire mode without mentioning the removal prior to release? That doesn't seem right to me. This from a company that years ago boasted how they didn't remove features/options and kept Manager Mode in the game despite less than 100 people playing that mode.
    The biggest gut punch is those that had season mode files (raises hand) that were likely going to be carried over to MLB 18. There's no way to do that now, so you're either going to have to keep 17 installed and switch back to that to play those files, or leave them behind and start new with 18. I'm not enthralled with either option, but guess I'll have to choose one.
    I am buying a PS4 Pro today and was really looking forward to playing MLB 18. I'm sure once I get into the game I'll enjoy it, but admittedly, my enthusiasm for the game dipped a bit with this news.
    Honestly, the biggest thing is just the breach of trust. We assume that if they don't mention something in the build up it means they've just done nothing to it, but now we can't even trust that.
    It's hard to see myself ever pre-ordering the game again as how can we know what they've decided to ditch without telling us? It is very, very poor to try and do this on the sly
    Saw garbage like this coming from a mile away. First year I've legitimately had no interest in the game and not been excited one bit about it. Sad it's come to this.
    BigOscar
    Honestly, the biggest thing is just the breach of trust. We assume that if they don't mention something in the build up it means they've just done nothing to it, but now we can't even trust that.
    It's hard to see myself ever pre-ordering the game again as how can we know what they've decided to ditch without telling us? It is very, very poor to try and do this on the sly

    My days of pre-ordering MLB The Show are over as well. SDS purposely decided to torch that bridge choosing short term gain over long term pain. Over the years their developers have done a great job. But there is something seriously wrong with their management. :y9:
    DJ
    The lack of transparency from a company I've respected and admired for a decade is shocking and disappointing. SDS has every right to remove a game mode if they feel its not played that much or needed to be bumped to make room for something else, I totally get that. I may not agree with the decision, but I understand the logic behind it.
    But, to remove an entire mode without mentioning the removal prior to release? That doesn't seem right to me. This from a company that years ago boasted how they didn't remove features/options and kept Manager Mode in the game despite less than 100 people playing that mode.
    The biggest gut punch is those that had season mode files (raises hand) that were likely going to be carried over to MLB 18. There's no way to do that now, so you're either going to have to keep 17 installed and switch back to that to play those files, or leave them behind and start new with 18. I'm not enthralled with either option, but guess I'll have to choose one.

    I am buying a PS4 Pro today and was really looking forward to playing MLB 18. I'm sure once I get into the game I'll enjoy it, but admittedly, my enthusiasm for the game dipped a bit with this news.

    I really can't argue with this post, especially the bolded in the middle.
    Would have been nice to know that there is no Season Mode before I bought this game last night AND traded in my MLB 16 The Show.... All I do in these games is attempt to platinum them, but more importantly a 2 player season mode. My cousin and I usually pick a team out of a hat(1AL and 1NL) and fantasy draft them into a 14-30 game season. Such bs... "Diamond Fantasy" has taken over the sport.
    tfcfan4life
    This is the reason why I want exclusive deals in sports gaming eliminated and made illegal.

    There is no more exclusive deal for MLB. 2k didn't renew it back in 2013 or 2014. Any company is free to get an MLB and MLBPA license and make their own sim-style game.
    Hmmm, so day 1 of pre-launch launch. Game has been out for about 15 hours now. About 200 posts in the first impressions thread (many of these posts are quite positive to be fair) and about 150 posts here in the "why the bleep did you trick us about season mode?" thread. I'd say this day is not going as planned for the game. :(
    I'm sorry to hear that they removed seasons mode in The Show 18. I never used it, but I understand the disappointment that my fellow OSers feel who did enjoy the mode.
    In NBA 2k17 I loved the myGM expansion mode. I preordered 2k18 and couldn't wait to start a new myGM expansion, but they had changed the myGM mode so you could not use an expansion team.
    It is easy for those of us who do not use the mode to say to play franchise with settings on "auto" but there is nothing more disappointing than looking forward to the release of a game and finding that your favorite way to play is no longer an option (especially without any heads up about it).
    "Season Mode" is now called "Franchise Mode". Can you not play a single player season or seasons via Franchise Mode? Yes online franchise mode is gone but from my perspective that's the only thing missing. 
    My playstation ID was hacked awhile back and tried everything to get back on but nothing worked. The only reason I ever bought a PS4 was for the show but I only had time to play a 29 game season. I ended up trading my PS4 in and used some of the money to buy an original xbox. So now I am playing MVP baseball 05 on the xbox. Guess I wont ever get a PS4 again if I cant play a season in the show.
    Count me as someone who only plays Season Mode. Many moons ago, I bought a PS3 and then a PS4 ONLY because of this game.....and ALL I've ever played is Season Mode. I don't even own one other video game.
    I fear that one day, the game will only be about online play and selling us extra uniform accessories and digital baseball card packs.
    I just want it to be about the love of the game.
    tr
    misterkrabz
    "Season Mode" is now called "Franchise Mode". Can you not play a single player season or seasons via Franchise Mode? Yes online franchise mode is gone but from my perspective that's the only thing missing.*

    Please tell me how to set up a franchise playing less than 162 games without simming? If it's the same?
    As another who only played Season Mode (and pre-ordered digitally), due to the historical rosters and the ease of fantasy drafts within that mode, I feel absolutely deceived by the development team to not state pre-release that this mode was removed. And simply turning on AUTO in franchise mode doesn't cure all the ills FYI. If you do fantasy draft, as I do often, have fun with CPU controlled teams carrying 15 pitchers and 2 bench players. Season mode did not have this issue. I've already tested it in Franchise this year, same problem. 30 team control you say? You try a fantasy draft doing every team's draft pick. CPU Roster Control On? No injuries or trades. I feel like a kicked puppy. Why did you do this to me SDS? What did I do wrong? :y5:
    This will be my last pre-order of a game ever and most likely my last year of the SHOW unless this ill-advised decision is reversed.
    misterkrabz
    "Season Mode" is now called "Franchise Mode". Can you not play a single player season or seasons via Franchise Mode? Yes online franchise mode is gone but from my perspective that's the only thing missing.*

    I don't think you quite understand what was removed.
    Yes, online franchise was removed. That is a separate conversation.
    There has always been both season mode and franchise mode. Franchise is a multiple season venture whereas season mode was a single season mode where you could even change the number of games in the season. They've always been two separate modes.
    Season mode was indeed something else that was removed. It is not the same as franchise.
    Brandwin
    How did you get it for $38?
    GCU, $10 in rewards ($5 I had and $5 from The Dark Crystal UHD Steelbook preorder), and Best Buy refunded me another $10 for FedEx delaying the shipping, even though it was sent out Wednesday morning.
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    tonysnow45
    With the franchise mode, the season mode will not be missed. *It was a wasted mode that only pleased a small fan base.

    Last year we had franchise and season mode. It is being missed, this thread already has 20 pages so a lot of ppl are missing it.
    I dont hold any ill-will to SDS but next year will be the first time in forever that the Show isnt a day one purchase. unless they say they're bringing back season mode in 19. otherwise I'll wait till a price drop or I can get a good deal on a used copy from gamestop. again, I'm not upset, I will just replay 14 15 16 & 17 for my season needs.
    kehlis
    I don't think you quite understand what was removed.
    Yes, online franchise was removed. That is a separate conversation.
    There has always been both season mode and franchise mode. Franchise is a multiple season venture whereas season mode was a single season mode where you could even change the number of games in the season. They've always been two separate modes.
    Season mode was indeed something else that was removed. It is not the same as franchise.

    Also I just would like to add to this season mode is just 40 man rosters for those who dont want to manage a full 90 man roster. Season mode had the same exact features as regular franchise but with a downsized roster and less games if you preferred.
    If you had made a franchise on 17 let's say using OSFM roster anyone who was not on the 40 man roster would all go into the free agent pool giving all 30 teams just 40 players to worry about.
    I guess the only question I would have for SDS is "why"? Was Season Mode a massive resource hog? Did it require a complete retooling? I honestly have no idea why a seemingly simple feature that was already well-implemented would just go missing.
    I'm not super-upset or anything, but I will miss Season Mode this year.
    Season mode wasn't single season. You could play multiple seasons with offseason, free agency, etc., just like Franchise. It was basically Franchise Lite.
    I always had my own little reality where each team just had 40 players. Maybe that wasn't realistic, but it added intrigue to me when I only had 2-3 prospects instead of AA and AAA rosters full of them.
    i will not buy 18 or future installments after finding this out. i have been a day one purchase for 14-17 and have strictly only played season mode for the past decade. it is ridiculous that this was not announced at all and had to be discovered by day one players.
    it would be somewhat excusable if they added the ability to change the number of games in franchise mode and the ability to bring forward past season mode saves to 18's franchise. but this is insane and highly disappointing. it seems like it could have taken more effort to remove season mode than to keep it in anyway.
    im hoping they somehow patch this back in, if not, the show is dead to me.
    ninertravel
    Another lesson into why pre ordering games should be a thing of the past and people should stop doing it.

    If no one pre ordered it and got it early then we wouldn’t know about it until release day. Use your head.
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    Dubya
    I’m assuming it was taken out with Online Franchise when they rewrote the code. I enjoy both online and offline play but this explicit and destructive bias for online play is insane and it’s clear that the priority is on online play for the DD microtransactions. Offline play simply doesn’t produce the profit that DD does. I completely understand the profit motive, but seeing as they’re the only true to life simulation baseball game out there, they should at least *try* to make the experience fulfilling for all players instead of continuing to line their pockets while deconstructing less profitable aspects of the game.
    For years I’ve refused to overly criticize the developers and I’ve been very tolerant of their questionable decisions because I truly believed they still had all players’ interests in mind and were attempting to improve all areas, but at this point I see no way that can still be true. They removed these modes for the sole reason of catering to online gameplay.
    I’ve enjoyed Season a lot and I’m incredibly disappointed it’s gone but I’m mostly upset because they’ve 100% confirmed the direction they’re heading and I do not see them ever turning it around.
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    Best post of the thread.
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    bkrich83
    If no one pre ordered it and got it early then we wouldn’t know about it until release day. Use your head.
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    Guess its time to start renting games first again, before buying lol
    Turbojugend
    I guess the only question I would have for SDS is "why"? Was Season Mode a massive resource hog? Did it require a complete retooling? I honestly have no idea why a seemingly simple feature that was already well-implemented would just go missing.
    I'm not super-upset or anything, but I will miss Season Mode this year.

    If I had to guess they removed it kind of the same excuse they gave for online franchise the whole re-coding took longer than expected. I know they removed online franchise for stability reasons, but with the "Phases" they worked on franchise and did not have time to do it for season or phases would have messed up season mode. I think there really the same mode just a lesser version like someone already had mentioned so the 2018 franchise, phases should have worked with season mode. Maybe they needed space and something had to go. I would have removed Retro Mode and Home Run Derby before removing Season mode and Online Franchise modes that's been there since the beginning.
    I often read that “no one plays off-line” anymore. Actually, one of the developers actually said during one of the endless pre-release videos that SD knew that MANY people play off-line and that was the reason for the “improvements” (apparently, not very important ones) to aspects of the game other than DD. So, for all those bashing those of us who play franchise and other non-revenue producing modes,  you may  want to go back and  find that video. I wish I could remember the one.
    Like others have said so well, this was way below SDS’s level and, like others, I do not even play season mode. I started buying the game every two years starting with ‘15, and this is the first year I have pre-ordered. You I will certainly never do so again. The trust is  gone.
    Just want to reiterate something:
    By extending the carry-over saves to season mode a few years ago they effectively showed a commitment to protecting a ten-year old game mode that many obviously enjoyed. After all, why would they do this if they didn't see the mode as a permanent fixture in the series?
    This is the part that really grinds me...their actions indicated it was a priority...then comes the blindside.
    I am in the seventh season of a historical season mode where I've edited the rookies to real players, etc...started this in 2016! Now for 2018 it's useless.
    I did it PRECISELY because THEIR OWN ACTIONS indicated they were going to continue support for the mode. Had they said something like..."we can't guarantee season mode will always be there" or something along those lines a lot of heartache could have been avoided.
    For those who don't realize: season mode is far "quicker" than franchise not only because you don't have to worry about minor league transactions, but the simming is much quicker due to only needing to sim 1/3 of the games each day...so you can go fast...much easier to manage transactions throughout the league and on any team you are controlling...easier to follow developments...can select shorter seasons.
    I would suspect that those who play season mode stick with it longer because of this - they are not likely to suffer fatigue from it nearly as much. Probably why there is a thread filled with very fanatical but disappointed devotees.
    In a perfect world, someone should write a conversion utility to convert a season file to a franchise file...fill in all the empty player slots with generic values so at least we could continue what we started, if not in the same mode. Of course, this will never happen...and while I am not one to say I am owed anything it is not unreasonable to expect some kind of statement from them.
    Houston
    I would have removed Retro Mode and Home Run Derby before removing Season mode and Online Franchise modes that's been there since the beginning.

    Whoa whoa whoa, let's not play trade-offs here. I play those modes and would like those to stay as well.
    EnigmaNemesis
    This is not true. They use telemetry statistics and are able to see how many minutes/seconds each mode has been played for.
    Now for those who do not connect online, I am sure that may not count, but I highly doubt that number is remotely high enough to alter statistics in this gen of gaming.

    I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.
    wheels2121
    I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.

    It's not playing online though, it's if your connected at all.
    If you are not connected and don't get any of the patches and roster updates your data would not be collected but you'd be in the minority.
    Like you, I've only play online. I don't even have PS plus so I couldn't if I wanted to. But I am connected to the internet.
    kehlis
    It's not playing online though, it's if your connected at all.
    If you are not connected and don't get any of the patches and roster updates your data would not be collected but you'd be in the minority.
    Like you, I've only play online. I don't even have PS plus so I couldn't if I wanted to. But I am connected to the internet.

    I do my roster updates myself. It always drives me NUTS that the sim engine doesn't keep the batting orders I make for every stinking team half the time.
    wheels2121
    I have to do my roster updates by hand, so I guess I'm in the minority on that part. I didn't even count the hours that takes me.

    Yea, if you aren't connected to the internet your data wouldn't be considered but you are in the vast minority of users.
    Important to note that there is nothing wrong with that, I would do it myself if I didn't want the patches and other updates but the number of users connected versus not connected is more than sufficient to gather data on that sample size.
    As I said in my post, I have heard SDS say that a large portion of their customers (many more than the “10”  you, bkrich 83, speak of) play season mode and franchise.
    wheels2121
    I play this game somewhere around 200 hours each year (I play just about every game of the season, and often make the playoffs) and not one second of it is spent online. I'm older, so I bet I'm not the only one. But since they can't measure me or get me to buy their DD cards or whatever they are, I don't matter.
    You don't have to play online mode, is your PS4 connected to the PlayStation Network?
    That's how you get patches, rosters, etc., and update the game. The PlayStation Network can measure while you're connected to it what modes you are playing and for how long you're playing for.
    You can play Road to the Show or Franchise offline your entire time, and they'll know it the moment you connect to the network.
    Regardless, they can get their sample telemetry which would not fluctuate much if those strictly offline users are also counted.
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    doctemple
    As I said in my post, I have heard SDS say that a large portion of their customers (many more than the “10” *you, bkrich 83, speak of) play season mode and franchise.

    Not sure what you mean. No one has suggested that there isn't a large portion of players that play season and franchise.
    Sony would do well to communicate exactly why they removed Season mode and why they didn't mention it at all before launch, and to do this before regular launch day on March 27th. If they go on letting people do non-refundable purchases over the weekend and then apologize on, say, March 28th that would make this thing stink even worse.
    I think they can salvage this somewhat with: (1) a good, logical reason why they did it; (2) an apology; and (3) a vow to not remove a huge mode/feature again without some sort of warning (or a guarantee that if they do, you can get a refund).
    This situation is far from ideal and people have already highlighted the very real reasons they preferred Season mode over the surviving modes, but the outrage will mostly pass as most figure out how to play Franchise mode with very little roster management. Some who wanted roster ports, smaller roster sizes, shorter seasons, etc just don't have any other options, however. That's very unfortunate.
    Some will say this is a video game, they didn't shoot your dog or anything, so why so serious? But, misconstruing a product by omission of valuable information is kind of a big deal to consumers in eroding the trust they have in certain companies, brands, and products.
    WaitTilNextYear
    Sony would do well to communicate exactly why they removed Season mode and why they didn't mention it at all before launch, and to do this before regular launch day on March 27th. If they go on letting people do non-refundable purchases over the weekend and then apologize on, say, March 28th that would make this thing stink even worse.
    I think they can salvage this somewhat with: (1) a good, logical reason why they did it; (2) an apology; and (3) a vow to not remove a huge mode/feature again without some sort of warning (or a guarantee that if they do, you can get a refund).
    This situation is far from ideal and people have already highlighted the very real reasons they preferred Season mode over the surviving modes, but the outrage will mostly pass as most figure out how to play Franchise mode with very little roster management. Some who wanted roster ports, smaller roster sizes, shorter seasons, etc just don't have any other options, however. That's very unfortunate.
    Some will say this is a video game, they didn't shoot your dog or anything, so why so serious? But, misconstruing a product by omission of valuable information is kind of a big deal to consumers in eroding the trust they have in certain companies, brands, and products.

    Well said. Now I get it why phases was done in the first place this year, The knew they were removing season mode never said anything, so they introduce phases to get people to play franchise who don't understand the full mode that preferred to play an easier option. They take away online franchise and season mode and break down franchise mode in phases to get people to either play it or forced to play DD.
    xNeurosiis
    I don’t play season mode, but the fact it was taken out and NOT mentioned on a stream, or anywhere, is disappointing.
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    That's what makes this thing rotten; no transparency. All very sinister. If it was announced before hand I believe it's something we could have all accepted (reluctantly) and then moved on.
    Plain and simple this was a kick to the community's teeth.
    EnigmaNemesis
    You don't have to play online mode, is your PS4 connected to the PlayStation Network?
    That's how you get patches, rosters, etc., and update the game. The PlayStation Network can measure while you're connected to it what modes you are playing and for how long you're playing for.
    You can play Road to the Show or Franchise offline your entire time, and they'll know it the moment you connect to the network.
    Regardless, they can get their sample telemetry which would not fluctuate much if those strictly offline users are also counted.
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    Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.
    Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.
    So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.
    WaitTilNextYear
    Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.
    Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.
    So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.

    I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.
    WaitTilNextYear
    Not to take us too far off course here, but I keep hearing this telemetry data being referenced. I think we should account for the possibility that it's not actually perfect and that it could be making substantial miscounts. Maybe a small probability of this, but a nonzero one. We have no knowledge of how accurate this data might be. Anything about accuracy is totally speculative on our end.
    Case in point, you know how we'd get those reward cards just for logging in and playing the game? Spaced out at certain intervals? In MLB 17, I would often get mine at odd, irregular intervals. Sometimes I would get no cards. Sometimes I would get a bunch of them. The timer that said "xx hr xx min" until next reward was often inaccurate and useless. We know for a fact they have had trouble with online servers and connectivity. Profound ones.
    So, while we acknowledge that they are measuring us with this telemetry data (and what legitimate company isn't in the year 2018 lol), we can also acknowledge the possibility that it might or might not be that accurate of a measurement.
    nemesis04
    I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.
    Just to make things clear, my comment on the telemetry was in no way of defending some of the decisions made (like this one), rather I was saying that they indeed have ways to measure it.
    I am definitely bummed that season mode is not in the game. It was the only other mode I played along with RttS.
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    nemesis04
    I am sure the data is fine. It's the people analyzing the data and setting the course I question.

    I don't share your confidence in the data quality, actually. I feel there have been too many oddities with severs/connectivity over the previous several years to presume their telemetry system is this slick data-collecting behemoth. Based on my own personal experiences that I described above. Too much cognitive dissonance here.
    But, I have no hard evidence either way.
    WaitTilNextYear
    I don't share your confidence in the data quality, actually. I feel there have been too many oddities with severs/connectivity over the previous several years to presume their telemetry system is this slick data-collecting behemoth. Based on my own personal experiences that I described above. Too much cognitive dissonance here.
    But, I have no hard evidence either way.

    Fair enough, it is impressive though.
    Houston
    Well said. Now I get it why phases was done in the first place this year, The knew they were removing season mode never said anything, so they introduce phases to get people to play franchise who don't understand the full mode that preferred to play an easier option. They take away online franchise and season mode and break down franchise mode in phases to get people to either play it or forced to play DD.

    I don't think you meant it this way, but just to clarify: I think most, if not all, of us Season mode guys understand how franchise works. It's not that it's too complicated or too hard, we just prefer a more streamlined approach to our dynasty mode.
    Edit: I'm talking about the diehards here at OS. I'm sure there's plenty of casual fans who do find Franchise a bit intimidating.
    One last comment and I think I'll have it all out of my system, lol.
    So this thread has pretty much established that: (1) people are upset at SDS having tons and tons of opportunities to mention this mode was taken out and deciding not to (and what this might mean about future recurrences of this type of thing); and (2) Franchise mode even with everything set to auto doesn't exactly mimic all the features people enjoyed about Season mode (different roster size, ability to have shorter games and shorter seasons, ability to port in certain kinds of rosters).
    But, there's a third issue...
    The devs have been hammering away on us for 2 years now (at least) that Franchise mode is too complicated for most people to fully understand and their data has revealed this in a big way, so they've been adding method after method after method for shortening and simplifying (critical situations, slicker menu interfaces, quick counts, player lock, phases...which is basically a menu interface, etc). This has been their stated focus. Make it simpler and easier for people to use. So, then, how does removing the simplest possible way for people to get a Franchise-like experience (and one that is already in the game and works just fine!) fit in with this philosophy? It seems to be completely inconsistent with their stated intentions and what they've been doing about Franchise mode. To me, that adds another layer of skepticism and confusion about where they are headed with this title in the future.
    It is clear that they want to streamline the modes down to one, so they don't have to work on two separate modes (3 if you count online Franchise).
    I just hope they can figure out a way, where inside Franchise, one click of the button could basically set it to 'season' (40 man, season/inning lengths, etc.), and strip out all the weight making those options inaccessible essentially.
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