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MLB The Show 18 Won't Feature Online Franchise Mode

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MLB The Show 18 Won't Feature Online Franchise Mode

Sony San Diego Studio studio has announced today that MLB The Show 18 will not feature online Franchise mode.

For the online areas of the game, we spent this year focusing on our technology. We knew we had to prioritize the stability and speed of our online infrastructure for MLB The Show 18.

As such, Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. This was not an easy decision to make and we understand some of you will be disappointed with this change, but we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18. With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration.

Please know that Online Franchise fans are not forgotten and every new year offers an opportunity to evaluate our plans.

The team will most likely give more details in the upcoming MLB The Show 18 Franchise mode Twitch stream, which is scheduled for March 15.

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  1. Doesn't really bother me cause I never used online franchise, but pretty sad that they wait until a few weeks from release to make that announcement. It's not like they would've made this "major technology change" decision less than a month from release, so I'm sure they could've said something about this awhile ago if they wanted to. I'll never agree with companies that choose not to be transparent because they think it'll net them some more sales if they keep stuff on the downlow as long as possible. It's not exclusively an SDS thing, but getting kinda tired of companies that do that.
    The focus on DD has led to the demise of yet another online franchise in video sports gaming. So sad that in 2018 we still can’t play with and against friends in an online franchise.
    From Millennium on Twitter about this situation:
    Re: This being about SCEA being all about their money mode DD.
    Simply not true. They rewrote the entire server code and Online Franchise didn't have time to be put back in.
    That's not caring about the money. That's prioritizing servers over the mode for now. It will be back.
    Re: getting this info 3 weeks before release.
    I actually believe they've tried to get tit in and couldn't. I don't think this is a "we knew about this months ago.
    The mode needed serious help. This may be the way to get it, even if it means removing it for a year and getting the servers up to snuff.
    It's the mode i spend the most time in and I'm really disappointed by this. Mostly because it's been literally the same game mode for at least 3 years. Of course they can say this is not about DD or microtransaction modes but it kind of is. You can bet any mode they get microtransactions for would not be taken out of the game for a year and if it was, it would be communicated sooner.
    It just feels like the community as a whole has had to figure out a lot of workarounds to have functional leagues while not getting any attention in stream lead ups or much communication during the year.
    They do a great job adding things every year to make the game fun to play year round but that makes the lack of attention on online franchise all the more frustrating
    It could go one of two ways, the first where this is when the mode gets the TLC it very much needs and we finally get a fully functional mode whenever it makes its return (I feel like it could be The Show 20 until we see it again)
    OR
    The mode gets forgotten about in the process.
    I choose to hope that option A is the answer since I only dabbled into RTTS a bit and mainly played Online Franchise
    Wow...saddening. 2018 and we can't get online franchise.
    Really hope this means we get an overhaul for both offline and online franchise in 19TS. Still looking forward to this version.
    redsox4evur
    From Millennium on Twitter about this situation:
    Re: This being about SCEA being all about their money mode DD.
    Simply not true. They rewrote the entire server code and Online Franchise didn't have time to be put back in.
    That's not caring about the money. That's prioritizing servers over the mode for now. It will be back.
    Re: getting this info 3 weeks before release.
    I actually believe they've tried to get tit in and couldn't. I don't think this is a "we knew about this months ago.
    The mode needed serious help. This may be the way to get it, even if it means removing it for a year and getting the servers up to snuff.

    may also mean they can rework that whole mode. so when/if it comes back it will be better than ever.
    but i agree on their part, the server stability and such is major priority.
    Had guys ready to go for a lg, very bummed. I've said for a while though, they needed to either fix the mode or get rid of it. This half a$$, hollowed out version of franchise was incredibly frustrating to play but it was worth it. We'll see if they think we are worth it???
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    See you next year MLB community. They've had more than enough time to address this mode and we always get 'next year' with these guys. At this point I'm done with SCEA.
    BlacknBlue
    The focus on DD has led to the demise of yet another online franchise in video sports gaming. So sad that in 2018 we still can’t play with and against friends in an online franchise.

    No it hasn't. The mode was literally never touched for years by SDS.
    They decided to prioritize the stabilization of the servers and that led to the most unpopular online (and offline if we exclude retro mode) mode being put on the chopping block.
    woz411
    It’s most likely going to undergo a major facelift for 19
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    I highly doubt that it will be getting a major facelift if it comes back. They scrapped it because it is the most unpopular mode and they likely couldn't justify the resources needed to get it up to par with the supposed new server coding this close to launch. If it comes back we are likely to see it in all it's former "glory" and that's about it.
    I wanted to add to the disappointment after finally getting a answer 2 weeks before launch. I have been playing the show since 2011 coming from XBOX 360 myself with a few friends where we play for years the garbage 2k put out. I have done rosters for league purposes only, ran great baseball leagues with what we had for many , many years. I have stay in touch with DEVS Kyle and Lorne thru the last few years. I kept asking over and over this year about online franchise, broadcast mode etc for online leagues to never get an answer. It is a sad day for die hard baseball fans who only play this game online to be or run a online league. I get my answer by stumbling on this thread and after googling it because I still can not believe this is how we get treated for sticking with them for years. I am responsible for so many features getting added to online franchise like real MLB schedule, instead of 1 home 1 away game the way it was in the beginning, the player search feature etc. I am beyond disappointed and like many here have said play MLB THE SHOW 17 since it had broadcast, Hybrid or Fast play presentation that was in all games until 16 they removed it to bring that back in MLB 17 to just removed the whole mode all together for 18 is unacceptable. Yes w can still play 17 for online franchise but for how long? until they decommission it! MLB 15 was decommissioned already last year, MLB 16 it still up and running, but how long until 17 will be taken down?
    I will not play or support this game any longer they made a BOLD decision to pull the plug on this mode, but in reality they flipped the switch to OFF on many of us. Not very cool at all. I will be moving on and helping another company improve there game year in and year out like I try to do for MLB THE SHOW.
    redsox4evur
    From Millennium on Twitter about this situation:
    Re: This being about SCEA being all about their money mode DD.
    Simply not true. They rewrote the entire server code and Online Franchise didn't have time to be put back in.
    That's not caring about the money. That's prioritizing servers over the mode for now. It will be back.
    Re: getting this info 3 weeks before release.
    I actually believe they've tried to get tit in and couldn't. I don't think this is a "we knew about this months ago.
    The mode needed serious help. This may be the way to get it, even if it means removing it for a year and getting the servers up to snuff.

    Please this development team knew long ago that it didn’t make the cut but chose to with hold that information if this group chooses to give them pass on this I promise ya it’s demise of Os sports mlb the show and SDS as well watch n see cause they didn’t add nothing to offline either and DD should have been added to Offline when it was added to the game but no one but me wants to call them out on that .......
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    OUSOONERS#1
    Please this development team knew long ago that it didn’t make the cut but chose to with hold that information if this group chooses to give them pass on this I promise ya it’s demise of Os sports mlb the show and SDS as well watch n see cause they didn’t add nothing to offline either and DD should have been added to Offline when it was added to the game but no one but me wants to call them out on that .......
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    Humor me - why would the removal of online franchise threaten OS in any way?
    Ya know, maybe Online Franchise would've been more popular if they addressed the issues, updated it, and the servers weren't so horrible. Funny how that works....I always wanted to play, but every time I gave it another chance, it was a lag/bug fiesta...
    Yeah, it's great they re-built the servers and the code...but why wait so long to do it? The lag and other server issues have plagued The Show for years. In terms of lag, MLB 2K10 played like a dream online compared to The Show, but I just told myself, "be patient, SDS will get it right eventually"...that was 8 years ago, lol...
    It feels weird to applaud them for something that should've been done at least half a decade ago...especially when that means they rip Online Franchise out in the process...and we don't even know yet what the servers will actually be like this year. I'll believe it when I see it.
    Sadly, the one online mode I'm the most interested in playing doesn't exist any more to test this year, so yeah...bummer.
    redsox4evur

    I actually believe they've tried to get tit in and couldn't. I don't think this is a "we knew about this months ago.

    It's crystal clear from the wording there, it was simply a cut feature, and they didn't wanna spend time getting it ready to go with their new net code. They said point blank it was a decision they knowingly made, and it was 'impossible to leave in the previous iteration without alteration' meaning they didn't alter it, because they didn't prioritize on it. What you're saying is the exact opposite of what they said, so I'd like to know where you're getting that outside of stuff you made up.
    If any DEV gets my benefit of the doubt and full TRUST of what they are doing, it's SCEA.
    Will it be back? Who knows.
    Bottom line is if they can't get it to work better there's no use for it to be there anyways.
    I'd rather them attack it head on with a possibility of it returning better than ever than it be same ole same ole..
    Just my .02
    jeffy777
    The year I finally talk my best friend into preordering so we can play an online franchise....feels really bad man :brickwall

    same with my brother. Was looking forward to it.
    This smells of money. Franchise modes don't make extra money. Until the gaming community revolts, all these after market micro transactions will be the focus of almost all games.
    This is tough news for everyone who enjoyed playing the show in this fashion. I know many where this was the only mode they touched in the whole game. Unfortunately the writing was on the wall a few years back when the mode basically stood at a standstill and really did not progress at all. To me I thought it was a mistake to make this mode a carbon copy of its offline counterpart. Ultimately, I think that is what lead to its demise realizing that may have not been the best direction. It needed to be its own creation and did not need the level of complexity offline has.
    While I agree with the decision to put the mode out of its misery for it to be reimagined, I don't agree the execution of how they are getting there. There was a very faithful following for this mode, one that was extremely frustrating to play because of its issues but people exercised patience because of the enjoyment of playing in a controlled group environment. At the very least there should have been a very barebones league setup offered to the group to still be able to play in this controlled.environment during the transition. To offer nothing does not feel right.
    PhilliesFan13
    All I see in here. It's a video game...

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    You're really cool, bro. Why come in here if it don't bother you? Like a thread like this would be for people to he happy about it. Take your pretentious *** to the uniform thread where people complain about belt colors :camby:
    I am highly confident the mode will return and be far more functional.
    It was a mess. Kudos to those that were able to find a way to make it work. But it simply was atrocious.
    So give them a cycle to work it out and deliver something up to the higher standards we are used to with this game.
    Continue playing 17 for online franchise in the meantime if that is the only mode you play.
    That is what I would do.
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    HarmonTrillabrew
    You're really cool, bro. Why come in here if it don't bother you? Like a thread like this would be for people to he happy about it. Take your pretentious *** to the uniform thread where people complain about belt colors :camby:
    You can he unhappy all you want about it. That's not the issue. It's coming across like entitled children that looks bad. Your lives aren't over. No need to take my "pretentious" *** to the uniform thread because the same childish crap is going on in there too as well as lots of other threads containing the "I want it and I want it NOW" attitude. Enjoy not getting the game this year.
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    PhilliesFan13
    You can he unhappy all you want about it. That's not the issue. It's coming across like entitled children that looks bad. Your lives aren't over. No need to take my "pretentious" *** to the uniform thread because the same childish crap is going on in there too as well as lots of other threads containing the "I want it and I want it NOW" attitude. Enjoy not getting the game this year.
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    Lol. Yes, people in here sharing their disappointment is childish but coming in here, droppin a gif is so grown. Please, let me know how to be more like you and just accept whatever BS is given to me. I don't see how people's frustration with this impacts you at all but please tell us how wanting a working online franchise is childish?
    The mode was a disaster and needed to be overhauled. I’ll give this development team the benefit of the doubt here. I do believe online franchise will return.
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    HarmonTrillabrew
    Lol. Yes, people in here sharing their disappointment is childish but coming in here, droppin a gif is so grown. Please, let me know how to be more like you and just accept whatever BS is given to me. I don't see how people's frustration with this impacts you at all but please tell us how wanting a working online franchise is childish?
    You don't see the way you come across? "They don't care about us! It's all about money! We're forgotten!" It was already stated the reason why. The entire online code was rewritten which didn't leave enough time to rewrite online franchise. That explanation is not good enough for you. Instead you complain that they are all out to get you. Even if it is completely overhauled and brought back better than ever it still wouldn't be good enough for you. I've seen the entitlement in all areas in this place for 9 years. You haven't. Nobody is out to get you and ruin your gaming life.
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    The mode was buggy since inception. You had to MacGyver, experiment work arounds, use a lot of brain cells trying to get the mode to work. Which many times became dead ends, wastes of time, unsatisfactory results.
    Hopefully a new well designed working online league franchise mode is put in one of the future releases.
    PhilliesFan13
    You don't see the way you come across? "They don't care about us! It's all about money! We're forgotten!" It was already stated the reason why. The entire online code was rewritten which didn't leave enough time to rewrite online franchise. That explanation is not good enough for you. Instead you complain that they are all out to get you. Even if it is completely overhauled and brought back better than ever it still wouldn't be good enough for you. I've seen the entitlement in all areas in this place for 9 years. You haven't. Nobody is out to get you and ruin your gaming life.
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    Thank you for speakin for me and the rest of us. You seem to have a great grasp on this topic so I don't see why you are still here. I don't even know why you are on this message board if people being upset bothers you so much. Nobody said a franchise mode being brought back wouldnt be good enough so you can stop with the hyperbole.
    My gaming life isn't ruined but it also doesn't take any effort to type up a post. You seem to put a lot of emotion into it so I can understand why you think the rest of us are so devastated. It's wack. I'm glad most of the world isn't like you so willing to just shut up and be happy with whatever they get.
    Yeah I agree with Phillies sentiment in terms of “taking my ball and going home” attitudes on this.
    If the mode was as popular as Diamond Dynasty it would have had resources allocated to re-writing the code for 18. But it is quite obvious online franchise did not have nearly the traction it needed to be a priority this cycle and being that the online code was totally re-written....well this is a decision that is for the best. And with the track record of SDS I am quite shocked people are giving them the finger. Because some posts in here come across as just that. A giant FU to them.
    They did not give online franchise players the finger. They told them the truth. The truth is.....the online code was totally re-written, they did not have the time nor the resources to re write online franchise and they could not release 18 with online franchise mode.
    Why not take a deep breath, keep playing 17 for your online franchise leagues if that is truly all you play and look forward to a re-vamped online franchise mode.
    And if you play offline franchise mode, RTTS etc etc....well picking up 18 is a given.
    I venture to say the number of players who strictly only play online franchise mode is less than 1%. And I am pretty confident in that number.
    It was a bare bones, half baked mode compared to offline franchise, RTTS and Diamond Dynasty.
    I really empathize with the online franchise players. Yeah it stinks. But it is not the end.
    This is actually a great thing. Because now we know they are going to re-work the mode. Now they have a chance to do so and really give that community a much better mode. Do you really want the same bare bones mode you have been complaining about for years?
    If they had simply just re-written the code to match the new online code....would that have been satisfactory? I think not. I think the voices would have been loud that we are being ignored.
    Now the ball is clearly in SDS’s court to revamp online franchise.
    Knowing them and their track record.....I am confident they will.
    HarmonTrillabrew
    Thank you for speakin for me and the rest of us. You seem to have a great grasp on this topic so I don't see why you are still here. I don't even know why you are on this message board if people being upset bothers you so much. Nobody said a franchise mode being brought back wouldnt be good enough so you can stop with the hyperbole.

    My gaming life isn't ruined but it also doesn't take any effort to type up a post. You seem to put a lot of emotion into it so I can understand why you think the rest of us are so devastated. It's wack. I'm glad most of the world isn't like you so willing to just shut up and be happy with whatever they get.

    There has been hyperbole posts of leaving the game and moving on, and some harsh posts in that vein. Some not so much.
    I think Philliesfan was pointing that segment out.
    For me this was something that was predictable (scraping online franchise for a cycle) as it has been dormant for years upon years and a bugy mess. Heck DD online last cycle was horrible too. They had to re-think their server and online stability gameplay for 18.
    It’s needs a cycle of full attention to get it right.
    Armor and Sword
    Yeah I agree with Phillies sentiment in terms of “taking my ball and going home” attitudes on this.
    If the mode was as popular as Diamond Dynasty it would have had resources allocated to re-writing the code for 18. But it is quite obvious online franchise did not have nearly the traction it needed to be a priority this cycle and being that the online code was totally re-written....well this is a decision that is for the best. And with the track record of SDS I am quite shocked people are giving them the finger. Because some posts in here come across as just that. A giant FU to them.
    They did not give online franchise players the finger. They told them the truth. The truth is.....the online code was totally re-written, they did not have the time nor the resource to re write online franchise and they could not release 18 with online franchise mode.
    Why not take a deep breath, keep playing 17 for your online franchise leagues if that is truly all you play and look forward to a re-vamped online franchise mode.
    And if you play offline franchise mode, RTTS etc etc....well picking up 18 is a given.
    I the number of players who strictly only play online franchise mode is less than 1%. And I am pretty confident in that number.
    It was a bare bones, half baked mode compared to offline franchise, RTTS and Diamond Dynasty.
    I really empathize with the online franchise players. Yeah it stinks. But it is to the end.
    This is actually a great thing. Because now we know they are going to re-work the mode. Now they have a chance to do so and really give that community a much better mode. Do you really want the same bare bones mode you have been complaining about for years?
    If they had simply just re-written the code to match the new online code....would that have been satisfactory? I think not. I think the voices would have been loud that we are being ignored.
    Now the ball is clearly in SDS’s court to revamp online franchise.
    Knowing them and their track record.....I am confident they will.

    Unfortunately you really can't offer 17 as an option. 17 was probably the most unplayable in recent release.
    HarmonTrillabrew
    Thank you for speakin for me and the rest of us. You seem to have a great grasp on this topic so I don't see why you are still here. I don't even know why you are on this message board if people being upset bothers you so much. Nobody said a franchise mode being brought back wouldnt be good enough so you can stop with the hyperbole.
    My gaming life isn't ruined but it also doesn't take any effort to type up a post. You seem to put a lot of emotion into it so I can understand why you think the rest of us are so devastated. It's wack. I'm glad most of the world isn't like you so willing to just shut up and be happy with whatever they get.
    You also fail to realize that the OS community, which you are only 30 posts into, is not the end all consumer base for this game. We are a very small portion of the community for the game. Yes, the developers browse these forums. No, they don't cater to every single thing everyone wants or asks for for reasons they know. Just because the developers browse these forums doesn't mean they think OS is the only consumer base. They look at consumer data as a whole and they made the decision to scrap it this year. It was one of the unpopular modes and like I said, online code was rewritten. If you set high expectation after high expectation on yourself you will be disappointed no matter what anyway.
    I would assume they will address it during the franchise stream coming up in a few weeks. I'm sure they would elaborate more on what was written about it on ShowNation.com. They haven't said it's gone forever.
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    nemesis04
    Unfortunately you really can't offer 17 as an option. 17 was probably the most unplayable in recent release.

    That just makes the point even stronger. Online was a mess for all online modes on 17 (DD and Franchise). They had to take a drastic step and re-write the code and DD is a far far more popular mode than online franchise. It stinks short term. But long term I think this is a great thing for online franchise.
    Scott
    It's just hilarious that people think it's gone forever.

    Not that hilarious, it's been a long time since they touched it and haven't shown any real interest in fixing it. A lot of things get taken out of games and rarely do they return.
    Maybe it returns, maybe it doesn't, but I think it's a long way from a sure thing.
    Ballgame59
    Will anyone create the latest rosters from '18 ratings to use in '17? Or is what is out now, the last roster we'll get?
    Not sure if anyone will make rosters with 18 ratings for 17, but there are a few guys that have taken OSFM and updated it with all recent transactions.
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    They had enough time to add all the crazy bat flips tho ! ... really upsetting news . Looked forward to a online franchise with friends.
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    PhilliesFan13
    All I see in here. It's a video game...

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    Next time you want to troll just leave out the picture and make your point please.
    Your point made is fine, posting this picture, in a thread full of people disappointed by this features removal is extremely immature.
    Been playing OF since it inception in MLB14.
    Me and my 3 buddies would always be in the same division and fight it out. We played 10+ seasons every iteration. It was great to have.
    But it was broken, as we all know. There's a huge list of issues that hardly even make it a franchise mode and we had to use countless workarounds to avoid the franchise going haywire. I mean how is it a franchise mode when stamina and injuries aren't on?
    The worst part about this news is the timing. Me and my buddies have been getting excited for weeks, ready to get cracking the bat again. Only to find out 3 weeks before release. It's truly devastating. While I Won't say SDS has given the finger, but the mode has been in since 14 and has gone untouched with hardly any response from SDS. Other then one statement a year "None if this is in online franchise."
    The #'s argument is not valid due to the state of the mode. DD is more popular and makes them alot of $$$. Fine, I'm aware, but when the game was unplayable online in 14, and the mode has been largely broken since then, who's gonna play it? And you wonder why nobody played it. I'm not gonna even list the issues.
    Lastly, I have said this before. If taking it out one year brings it back better then ever. I'm ALL for it. There statement gives hope, but by no means guarantees anything going forward. All we can do is hope
    Bottom line is that they took a ton of preorders. Most probably digital, and that isn’t refundable.
    He doesn’t know for sure they tried to fit it in. Seems to me they ripped a lot of folks off looking forward to even the same version from last season
    I also think they under estimated the amount of people that are going to be unhappy about this, and whether or not they did this all on purpose, it looks really bad in them.
    I’m glad I didn’t preorder.
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    people have to realize these modes are not that Popular anymore. GM Connected for the NHL series was cut years ago as well, and the game is probably more popular than ever.
    IF Online Franchise was more popular than people here think it was, im sure they would have kept it in one way or another. but when only for example 5000 people play it compared to the 100 thousands(these are just example numbers) that play the other modes, why keep a struggling to stay a float mode in the game when they can focus on modes that will bring in more people.
    Some of you guys are silly trying to justify this. I realize OF was a a small % of players but they have given us a half a$$ version for yrs, refused to ever address anything that we were clamoring for but left the mode in? Why wasn't this done yrs ago? I assume so they could continue to squeeze $ out of us schmucks that kept playing. They had ample time to fix this but just flat refused. I held this team in high regard but just don't believe them at this pt, sorry but that's what I believe. I'm so glad everyone got Babe Ruth in the the gm though. I even heard Ozzie Smith does a backflip so that's cool. I played OF with a good group of guys and now I can't and they expect me to wait a yr when this could have been done yrs ago? Nope. They just lost a loyal customer in me because of this decision.
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    Online has never worked right in the show. Always laggy as hell which leads to unplayable games. Im not sure why anyone is surprised. The only major improvement this game has ever had is the ball physics from 17 that they patched out. Are they touting that they actually got it right this year? New blood at SDS or another company making a game to compete with them will be the only way we see the steps forward we should have seen 4-5 years ago.
    jb12780
    The mode was a disaster and needed to be overhauled. I’ll give this development team the benefit of the doubt here. I do believe online franchise will return.
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    This......I'm glad it's not in this year if they rework it into something good in 2019.
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    Does anyone really think it'll be back? Everyone says that it's not as popular as the money grab is, so why should they?
    EDIT: And where does it say that it will return?
    To all those saying that the reason it is out is because it didn't have enough people playing it, so they put it on the back burner this year is ridiculous.
    The only reason the mode wasn't touched by many is because the servers are so bad. If they would have improved it it would have been touched by a lot more players.
    Even madden can get online franchise right.
    milldaddy35
    To all those saying that the reason it is out is because it didn't have enough people playing it, so they put it on the back burner this year is ridiculous.
    The only reason the mode wasn't touched by many is because the servers are so bad. If they would have improved it it would have been touched by a lot more players.
    Even madden can get online franchise right.

    Add in injuries didn't work. There was no stamina so players would play 162 games. Team budget issues. Progression was still based off the system 4 years ago. So 5 seasons in everyone threw 99+, we had to keep check on CPU pitchers because sometimes they would just pitch every game leading to us having to reset alot of games, etc. Many more I could list.
    seasprite
    This......I'm glad it's not in this year if they rework it into something good in 2019.
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    Yep..
    "Online needs reworked!!! It's crap"
    SCEA seems to be doing that by going all in on a rebuild.. and yet... the Mob still shows up.
    For what it's worth all my friends that get the game every year never play online and I haven't in 2-3 years. Much prefer the offline experience.
    I hope it comes back soon for those that want it however.
    Ballgame59
    Does anyone really think it'll be back? Everyone says that it's not as popular as the money grab is, so why should they?

    Hard to say at this point, nothing is guaranteed. As far as it not being popular, I dont know how they could gauge if they are not playing because of lack of interest or because it does not work properly.
    Serious question though, if there was a competitive product available now that had online leagues do you think they still would have cut the mode out completely or offered something transitional to keep the user base?
    nemesis04
    Hard to say at this point, nothing is guaranteed. As far as it not being popular, I dont know how they could gauge if they are not playing because of lack of interest or because it does not work properly.
    Serious question though, if there was a competitive product available now that had online leagues do you think they still would have cut the mode out completely or offered something transitional to keep the user base?

    Yep.. I've seen EA say the same thing... "Only 15% of people used the feature" and ignore the fact if it was better more would. I hate when Devs use that argument.
    As far as the question:
    I don't really know personally.
    I mean SCEA had plenty of competition earlier and they are the ones left standing. Games that have been gone a while that I loved playing and did certain things better (ASBB, MVP etc)
    I have no idea what really caused the demise of certain games so hard to say what would be "if"..
    At least for me.
    Personally I'd still go with the game that had the best gameplay even if it had the worse online.
    RogerDodger
    I really hope this means they've added some major new features to the offline franchise mode.

    Not likely. Didnt effect it at all, this was a move to improve online stability and the servers. Online franchise has gone untouched since MLB14. No time has been taken from Online that could have went into the offline portion.
    The biggest issue for me is that online leagues are one of the only places you can find consistent, as close as possible to a sim game as you can find. Online play can be fun but in ranked modes where people value winning over the experience, it's gets very frustrating. That's why I've joined leagues for every sports game I buy and have mostly left the ranked play alone.
    In leagues you can have rules and it's just a much nicer experience so that's what most of us are losing. It's not fun to play the CPU over and over and playing people who use exploits or want a 99 overall team everywhere just takes away from the enjoyment. If you're gonna spend the little free time you got on playing a game, it's nice knowing you can count on playing someone doing it for the same reason as you instead of a coin flip
    HarmonTrillabrew
    You're really cool, bro. Why come in here if it don't bother you? Like a thread like this would be for people to he happy about it. Take your pretentious *** to the uniform thread where people complain about belt colors :camby:

    You're 100% right but tread very, very lightly. You're arguing with an OS grizzled vet. This means his friends will come a long and 'out like' your posts made in response to him.
    I think the real kick in the pants is these Online Franchise people have been waiting for 3-4 years to get a mode that actually works, then they see a closed alpha test is taking place presumably to improve the online functionality of this game, only for the actual solution being their mode has been totally removed. And 3 weeks before street date. And on top of that, people are telling them to get with the program and that the mode will "definitely" be back, when the track record of this mode in this game engenders anything but faith and good will toward the developers. This is not a fix, or rightly putting a bad mode out of its misery; it's a cop out.
    I don't play online, but I think folks have every right to be pretty ticked off about how this whole thing went down. If the mode was so terrible and non-functional, why not cut it back in 2015 or 2016? Why string it along? A better mode perhaps could've been resurrected by now if they hadn't been as content to keep offering the same mode from 2014 until 2017.
    I couldn't careless about online franchise but i don't buy their argument for leaving it out. Priority is and will always be DD and their micro transactions. Remember, out of franchise, RTTS, and DD, they chose DD to overhaul first and every year they will continue to work on it while franchise will get small changes until they are finished with it. Hopefully by then EA or 2K brings back MLB cause I'm ready to move on from Matt V and this game.
    WaitTilNextYear
    I think the real kick in the pants is these Online Franchise people have been waiting for 3-4 years to get a mode that actually works, then they see a closed alpha test is taking place presumably to improve the online functionality of this game, only for the actual solution being their mode has been totally removed. And 3 weeks before street date. And on top of that, people are telling them to get with the program and that the mode will "definitely" be back, when the track record of this mode in this game engenders anything but faith and good will toward the developers. This is not a fix, or rightly putting a bad mode out of its misery; it's a cop out.
    I don't play online, but I think folks have every right to be pretty ticked off about how this whole thing went down. If the mode was so terrible and non-functional, why not cut it back in 2015 or 2016? Why string it along? A better mode perhaps could've been resurrected by now if they hadn't been as content to keep offering the same mode from 2014 until 2017.
    Thanks exactly what my thoughts are. They have not given OF a wink over the last 3 yrs and now 2 wks before launch they tell us they cut the mode and will be back in 19. Why would I believe that when that has not been their track record?
    They constantly explain their lack of action with numbers of how many play each mode but in this release they say it will be back. I just flat do not believe them. Enjoy those all mighty DD dollars I guess
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    kehlis
    Next time you want to troll just leave out the picture and make your point please.
    Your point made is fine, posting this picture, in a thread full of people disappointed by this features removal is extremely immature.

    Thank you. He was the most immature guy in here the second he posted that photo. All it did was incite people that were already disappointed. It served no purpose. He might find it surprising, but he is the one that looks bad. If you don't care about something, then why try to talk down to those that do? Don't get the thought process behind it.
    MJDrocks
    You're 100% right but tread very, very lightly. You're arguing with an OS grizzled vet. This means his friends will come a long and 'out like' your posts made in response to him.
    Boy, you're still triggered about that whole Friday the 13th game night I had nothing to do with aren't you?
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    I dont use online franchise but why not just keep it in there for 18. Just copy the same thing from last year?
    I mean are their servers that bad? A company like Sony can't afford some state of the art servers for this team? It's already bad enough that the first 3 months of the game the servers will keep going down. We're all expecting that because it happens yearly. Isn't it time to freaking upgrade?
    Unbelievable.
    I don't know how many people do online franchise but I'm guessing it's not alot. So if it's a minority of people doing it, does it impact the crappy servers they have that much?
    redsfan4life
    Thank you. He was the most immature guy in here the second he posted that photo. All it did was incite people that were already disappointed. It served no purpose. He might find it surprising, but he is the one that looks bad. If you don't care about something, then why try to talk down to those that do? Don't get the thought process behind it.
    Cool story bro. You're not at all though right? Taking your ball and going home because you automatically assume it's gone forever.
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    PhilliesFan13
    All I see in here. It's a video game...

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    Says the guy who obviously doesn't play the mode they took from the game.
    And, this choice they made is obviously an indirect result of them babying Diamond Dynasty. It's their cash cow. It seems obvious to me that they rewrote their net code with DD in mind.
    I don't play online franchise mode.
    nemesis04
    Hard to say at this point, nothing is guaranteed. As far as it not being popular, I dont know how they could gauge if they are not playing because of lack of interest or because it does not work properly.
    Serious question though, if there was a competitive product available now that had online leagues do you think they still would have cut the mode out completely or offered something transitional to keep the user base?

    2k did something like this and their online franchise has yet to return. At least they gave their users a online league with one season however.
    I’m reading a few posters on here state they never played this mode or don’t care for it. Those guys at scea have the Analytics and I’m assuming we are in the 1%.
    PhilliesFan13
    Cool story bro. You're not at all though right? Taking your ball and going home because you automatically assume it's gone forever.
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    You've already got a mod in here telling you to back off a bit on the insults, yet you call people crybabies in this post again. Not sure what you're getting out of this bud.
    WaitTilNextYear
    I think the real kick in the pants is these Online Franchise people have been waiting for 3-4 years to get a mode that actually works, then they see a closed alpha test is taking place presumably to improve the online functionality of this game, only for the actual solution being their mode has been totally removed. And 3 weeks before street date. And on top of that, people are telling them to get with the program and that the mode will "definitely" be back, when the track record of this mode in this game engenders anything but faith and good will toward the developers. This is not a fix, or rightly putting a bad mode out of its misery; it's a cop out.
    I don't play online, but I think folks have every right to be pretty ticked off about how this whole thing went down. If the mode was so terrible and non-functional, why not cut it back in 2015 or 2016? Why string it along? A better mode perhaps could've been resurrected by now if they hadn't been as content to keep offering the same mode from 2014 until 2017.

    This is really the best way to put it. I exclusively played this mode and will hold out hope that they'll bring it back, although I can't say things are looking too good ATM.
    PhilliesFan13
    Cool story bro. You're not at all though right? Taking your ball and going home because you automatically assume it's gone forever.
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    Cut it out, why constantly do this in a thread where you've done nothing but troll within the 7/9 posts you've made? For someone who cares not about the mode you certainly have a lot to say about it..
    Syce
    people have to realize these modes are not that Popular anymore. GM Connected for the NHL series was cut years ago as well, and the game is probably more popular than ever.
    IF Online Franchise was more popular than people here think it was, im sure they would have kept it in one way or another. but when only for example 5000 people play it compared to the 100 thousands(these are just example numbers) that play the other modes, why keep a struggling to stay a float mode in the game when they can focus on modes that will bring in more people.

    Anybody who had half a brain who realize that NHL GM Connected was arguably worse than MLB Online Franchise.
    Also the NHL franchise was terrible for more than getting rid of GM Connected. They got rid of EASHL when they came over to next ben (after taking a year off of next gen) and then added it back in the next year but got rid of the competitiveness.
    Alright this bickering and trolling ends now.
    If you don't care about this, then please remove yourself from the thread.
    There is no reason to be in here telling those who are upset about this how they should feel if you don't care. The people upset about this have every right to be.
    Final warning.
    Ballgame59
    Will anyone create the latest rosters from '18 ratings to use in '17? Or is what is out now, the last roster we'll get?

    It's not my roster but if you go to the roster vault and filter for date on 3/2 someone username dla75mets with roster title MLB Roster 3/2/18 appears to have the final live roster update of 2017 with offseason transactions accurate to 3/2/18. My experience in the past is that final live roster has attributes for players which are pretty close to what they will be for the first roster which ships with the next year's game.
    I feel bad for those that play online franchise but since I don't, I hope this means there will be more available resources for offline franchise in the future, if online franchise doesn't come back soon. Again, my deepest sympathies for those that do play online. :(
    This is a major disappointment. I may be skipping this year’s game. My buddies and I play Online Franchise all year. It’s the only way we can use custom rosters online.
    Sony really messed up this time.
    I couldn't read the entire thread because of some of the negativity. Great, you didn't buy a copy, or you cancelled your pre-order, and as a result, you might be missing out on the best actual online experience in an MLB the Show game to ever exist.
    I do not like Diamond Dynasty, I don't even like online modes, I hate playing with people I do not know. Losing Online Franchise sucks, since that's one of the few ways I play with my friend in the game online (not that he's buying it this year, he didn't buy it last year either because of a huge backlog).
    But by focusing on infrastructure, SCEA is making it clear their priority is quality, over quantity. They'd rather have one super excellent online mode than 3 mediocre, inefficient, non-upgraded modes. By focusing on infrastructure, for the next edition they can get in Online Franchise (and maybe more), and make it function how it should have (because the last couple years, Online Franchise has basically been a joke).
    Hopefully, when Online Franchise comes back, it will be faster (was painfully slow at some points), more imaginative (got boring quickly), and more similar to the actual franchise mode I sink hundreds of hours into every year.
    Tough decision for SCEA to make, and it sucks for Online Franchise fans for sure, I feel for you. But I think this was 100% the right move, to move forward with the series, and to get everyone what they want in the shortest amount of time possible. Online Franchise will be back.
    kehlis
    Next time you want to troll just leave out the picture and make your point please.
    Your point made is fine, posting this picture, in a thread full of people disappointed by this features removal is extremely immature.
    Out of all the comments I read in here and this one is the one u choose to call out as "immature"??? Smh
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    Man this news kind of sucks... I play alot a offline franchise, but three of my friends and I always run a season or two online. I was looking forward to it. Hopefully they bring it back next year revamped!
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    TheBleedingRed21
    Every single year you guys beg for them to rewrite the entire mode... here’s the chance. Give it time.

    Hopefully they do something. But given their history, we have little reason to believe they will deliver. Seems more likely that nothing happens with the mode until the next console is out.
    Hey guys I have been apart of the The show franchise "League of Ivy" for two years and with the death of Online Franchise for 18 we were initially bummed out. But this is a time for us as a community to stick together! We want to get a groupchat for online franchise players, like a hub. Any league can join and look for replacements, advertise, etc. Lets help each other out.
    So what i'm asking for players who want to continue playing 17 Online franchise! New teams but old game! We can use the death of franchise to show how committed our small but important community can be.
    Interested in continuing playing online franchise? Join our groupme chat. DM me for the link, I cant post due to my account being new.
    WaitTilNextYear
    I think the real kick in the pants is these Online Franchise people have been waiting for 3-4 years to get a mode that actually works, then they see a closed alpha test is taking place presumably to improve the online functionality of this game, only for the actual solution being their mode has been totally removed. And 3 weeks before street date. And on top of that, people are telling them to get with the program and that the mode will "definitely" be back, when the track record of this mode in this game engenders anything but faith and good will toward the developers. This is not a fix, or rightly putting a bad mode out of its misery; it's a cop out.
    I don't play online, but I think folks have every right to be pretty ticked off about how this whole thing went down. If the mode was so terrible and non-functional, why not cut it back in 2015 or 2016? Why string it along? A better mode perhaps could've been resurrected by now if they hadn't been as content to keep offering the same mode from 2014 until 2017.

    Well said. Sums it up perfectly.
    I don’t play online franchise but understand why some might be angry. Aside from playing against your friends, what were the benefits to playing online v. offline? Just curious as offline is still available. As I recall, the Madden online was a bust too. Not sure if they fixed it as I don’t watch or play football games anymore.
    I don't understand why some people are assuming it's coming back after being removed. They didn't care about the mode for years before it was removed, so, it would seem the opposite would be true - that it's gone without plans to add it back.
    They said it was only taken out because they redid all the servers and couldn't rewrite all the codes in time for online franchise. That sounds to me like with more time they can get it done. Not that it's something that can't ever get done. To me that sounds really good for the mode to return next year.
    I feel bad for those who bought the game exclusively for the Online Franchise mode. It kind of sucks and I do believe that they should have announced it earlier before taking pre-orders. Hopefully the removal of a perennial feature so close to release is enough to get some refunds if you want them.
    I hope it gets added back in bigger and better next year but I honestly won't hold my breath. It is one of the least played modes and the return on investment is probably pretty small in comparison to the other modes.
    If it was my, or probably any of our, job to allocate resources with three weeks remaining then I am guessing we would have made the same call.
    SilverBullet1929
    They said it was only taken out because they redid all the servers and couldn't rewrite all the codes in time for online franchise. That sounds to me like with more time they can get it done. Not that it's something that can't ever get done. To me that sounds really good for the mode to return next year.
    All I have is an uneducated guess but I'd be stunned if online franchise didn't return for Show 19
    Can't imagine what the excuse will be if the servers are down for the first 2 months once again.
    Caulfield
    All I have is an uneducated guess but I'd be stunned if online franchise didn't return for Show 19

    More or less stunned than finding out it isn't in '18?
    The games played stats for all modes should be taken with a grain of salt. I wonder if time spent in a mode is tracked?
    Franchise mode games take longer to play and more time is spent in menus and stats.
    I can knock off 5 or 6 rtts games to every 1 franchise.
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    I don't get some of the comments calling people out for saying they're not gonna buy the game due to this mode being removed. If you planned to get a lot of use out of that feature and it's not gonna be there, are you just supposed to be all "ho hum" and buy it anyways just cause someone else thinks you should? My guess is all of the people saying that 'it's silly to not buy the game' or whatever over this decision would blow freakin chunks all over their screen and have a complete hissy fit if offline franchise or DD or online was entirely removed.
    Just because it's not a favourite mode of yours does nothing to invalidate their decision not to buy the game. I never use the mode, but I would never critique someone exercising their consumer rights and voting with their wallet to not get something that doesn't suit them, irrespective of the reasoning. That's far better than lets say, the madden forums here where the same people whine and complain year after year about the same exact mechanics being broken, but still buy the game anyways.
    So hey, let's keep things in perspective here a minute instead of attacking other people for making their own decisions.
    I wonder if this means that a respectable amount of time was dedicated to OFFLINE Franchise (you know, the mode that's been absurdly lackluster for years now).
    I understand a lot of people enjoyed online franchise, and I can respect the disappointment in this. But, my hopes are that they really focused on offline this year, and will shift their focus to online franchise for 2019. Been waiting years for some worthwhile improvements to Franchise mode, and the stream on March 15th will determine whether or not I decide to buy this years installment.
    Denzel Washington
    Can't imagine what the excuse will be if the servers are down for the first 2 months once again.
    More or less stunned than finding out it isn't in '18?
    TBH I'm not surprised at all, considering the amount of issues from the last several years. If anything, I'm more surprised it didn't get shut down sooner.
    CoiaNY
    I wonder if this means that a respectable amount of time was dedicated to OFFLINE Franchise (you know, the mode that's been absurdly lackluster for years now).
    I understand a lot of people enjoyed online franchise, and I can respect the disappointment in this. But, my hopes are that they really focused on offline this year, and will shift their focus to online franchise for 2019. Been waiting years for some worthwhile improvements to Franchise mode, and the stream on March 15th will determine whether or not I decide to buy this years installment.

    Sadly it seems unlikely, given that no one was working on online franchise mode anyway so it's not like they have extra man power by scrapping it.
    If they'd made a significant change to franchise you'd imagine they would have hyped it by now to get people pre-ordering, the silence on that front suggests they've done nothing that they think will sell copies (although that doesn't mean they've not changed things, desperately hoping they've rewritten the AI)
    Could care less. I'd rather see their resources put on making us an amazing offline franchise experience. Work on the gameplay AI, CPU roster management, trades etc...
    I never once played a second of offline franchise and never would have but this is an entire mode being removed... no one should be ragged on if this was their preferred mode and they now choose to not buy this game because of its removal.
    While it may seem like some are whining this is a huge thing and is literally a game changer for many. This is not a minor thing.
    This isn't something that just everyone can say "oh well at least everything else is good and I'll get it anyways."
    I think everyone has to let SCEA do what they have to do to get the mode right... and they will..... in the meantime
    I have talked with a few of the OSFM guys and we will do something we never did before
    We will simultaneously release a 2017 version of updated OSFM rosters with our 2018 so that everyone who plays online franchise can still enjoy that this year with the 17 version.....as long as the demand for this is there this will be the plan
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    Thankfully this doesn’t bother me but wow I knew it solid upset people I can understand, I’m no way a online guy all offline, which Is why I hate ea now.
    But yeah can understand why people are angry
    RidinDwnKingsley
    I think everyone has to let SCEA do what they have to do to get the mode right... and they will..... in the meantime
    I have talked with a few of the OSFM guys and we will do something we never did before
    We will simultaneously release a 2017 version of updated OSFM rosters with our 2018 so that everyone who plays online franchise can still enjoy that this year with the 17 version.....as long as the demand for this is there this will be the plan
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    Above and beyond Ridin. :appl:
    I think
    People forget that these guys have to make a game every year, so when a gesture is missing to need that extra year to fix people go crazy. Most games can take a few more years to get right
    How could you pull
    Off the osfm rosters for 17 with 18 your gonna have everyone going got rookie of the year with Aaron judge unless you completed recreate the rookies with service time.
    Also who to say they won’t shut down the severs for 17?
    Anyway if they took 30 team control
    Out like EA did, I would feel like the angry people on
    Here.
    BigOscar
    Sadly it seems unlikely, given that no one was working on online franchise mode anyway so it's not like they have extra man power by scrapping it.
    If they'd made a significant change to franchise you'd imagine they would have hyped it by now to get people pre-ordering, the silence on that front suggests they've done nothing that they think will sell copies (although that doesn't mean they've not changed things, desperately hoping they've rewritten the AI)

    Yeah, I suppose you're right. Still holding out some hope though. The last few years around this time, for me, has always been "I wonder what they did with franchise, I wonder if this is the year".
    I guess we'll find out. Cheers man
    BigOscar
    Sadly it seems unlikely, given that no one was working on online franchise mode anyway so it's not like they have extra man power by scrapping it.
    If they'd made a significant change to franchise you'd imagine they would have hyped it by now to get people pre-ordering, the silence on that front suggests they've done nothing that they think will sell copies (although that doesn't mean they've not changed things, desperately hoping they've rewritten the AI)

    They did say that they were working on the modes as a 2 year deal. Supposedly this year is the big year for RTTS and some new changes to franchise while next year would be the big year for franchise. At least thats what they claimed last year during the dev streams.
    prestwood90
    Out of all the comments I read in here and this one is the one u choose to call out as "immature"??? Smh
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    There have been plenty of immature posts in this thread. But calling out the one with a gif of a kid throwing a temper tantrum insinuating that's what people are doing, is pretty immature. Sticks out a bit I would say.
    And in the future, if you are unhappy with a moderator's post please take it up with that mod via PM and not in the thread.
    PhilliesFan13
    Yup. Let's just focus on one post and one posy only. Ok..
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    You really are itching to get yourself banned eh, why do you feel the need to come back to this thread to keep updated on the effects your off topic comments have had?
    Move on, and let's keep this on topic.
    PhilliesFan13
    Yup. Let's just focus on one post and one posy only. Ok..
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    There is a time to admit fault and move on. This is one of those times for you.
    That "one post" was unnecessary and without it there wouldn't have been post after post of off topic, unnecessary discussion.
    Time to own up to a mistake you made, it's okay. We've all done it before.
    Before responding and saying something you might regret. Just think to yourself how you would feel if offline franchise was removed and someone came into the thread discussing that basically telling us to suck it up and it will be back next year.
    Back to topic:
    As I said earlier I stopped playing Online a few years ago.
    When I was playing online it was fun to a point but the server issues just really killed any longevity of it.
    The playing with a great group of guys was awesome.
    If SCEA does in fact get the server issues better -and by better I mean there can't be any lag whatsoever.
    In a game of Baseball there really needs to be flawless service- I'm sure I'd be back to online.
    I hope that is the future of the Show.
    Question : so for those who want to do online franchise, do they just keep MLB The show 17? Will it still continue on that game or will they kill the servers for 17 once 18 is out?
    kehlis
    Just think...if offline franchise was removed and someone came into the thread discussing that basically telling us to suck it up and it will be back next year.

    This is the kicker.
    I'm not affected so this news bothers me none. I've never played a franchise with multiple people, I like going my own pace...but for others, playing with other folks (friends, family, co-workers, etc.) is a big deal and is a lot of fun. I mean, look at the online Madden community. There seemingly is always issues with online, I remember a few years back that it almost seemed FORCED to use online franchise to get all the features so the disconnect between offline and online has been pretty severe since its inception.
    I'm sure they'll bring it back...perhaps an entire year of working on the synergies will bring it better than ever in 2019. I think all of us would prefer a great 2019 release versus a buggy and broken 2018 and I'll bet that's what their decision was.
    i dont play online at all so im fine with it. wish they dropped that diamond dynasty instead tho lol
    A 162 game season is hard to play though even on your own.
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    RidinDwnKingsley
    I think everyone has to let SCEA do what they have to do to get the mode right... and they will..... in the meantime
    I have talked with a few of the OSFM guys and we will do something we never did before
    We will simultaneously release a 2017 version of updated OSFM rosters with our 2018 so that everyone who plays online franchise can still enjoy that this year with the 17 version.....as long as the demand for this is there this will be the plan
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    Ridin,
    This would be incredibly helpful and very much appreciated. Working on what to do now with our lg and this would go a long way in helping.
    Bummer day for me as this was the only mode I played. We're not a big base but those of use who play OF are loyal to this game and the mode we enjoyed has been taken from us. That loyalty took a big knock with this announcement. Their rhetoric the last few yrs about why OF hasnt been fixed just doesnt match what this release suggets. It makes me think they never really had a plan for the mode.
    Anyways, thank you for putting that extra work in for us who will be playing 17 still. This is a great promo right here on why this is a great gaming website.
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    For context, I have been playing in a Madden online franchise since madden 10, with the same people, 32 strong, all year long, 7-8 seasons a year. THAT is what makes Madden fun for me. It has it's faults but for the competition you find a way to make it work. If Madden suddenly removed online franchise, ESPECIALLY announcing it right before the game comes out, I would be FURIOUS. I wouldn't even buy the game.
    So for those of you nagging on guys saying suck it up and "it might come back" just need to exit this thread because just think of how you would react if your top played mode was removed suddenly. Sadly there is no guarantee this is going to ever come back. EA's NHL series removed their OF for a similar reason and it still has no signs of ever coming back. This very well might be the end of that.
    Armor and Sword
    But it is quite obvious online franchise did not have nearly the traction it needed to be a priority

    I wonder why that is.
    It was a bare bones, half baked mode compared to offline franchise, RTTS and Diamond Dynasty.
    Oh, yeah.
    Syce
    people have to realize these modes are not that Popular anymore. GM Connected for the NHL series was cut years ago

    This is a really good example, because that was a ****ty effort as well. It was unbelievably slow and poorly designed.
    If you look at games like Madden, the mode has all the features of regular franchise and good servers and it's probably the most popular of the online franchise modes. That isn't a coincidence.
    Didn't people say last year they would do something like this? That they would release perhaps the crappiest OF to date in 17, cite how unpopular it was, and then just end up removing it?
    Hmm, wonder why a mode that is about 80% broken/glitched/not updated was ever so unpopular?
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    hyacinth1
    Question : so for those who want to do online franchise, do they just keep MLB The show 17? Will it still continue on that game or will they kill the servers for 17 once 18 is out?

    ninertravel
    How could you pull
    Off the osfm rosters for 17 with 18 your gonna have everyone going got rookie of the year with Aaron judge unless you completed recreate the rookies with service time.
    Also who to say they won’t shut down the severs for 17?
    Anyway if they took 30 team control
    Out like EA did, I would feel like the angry people on
    Here.
    16's servers are still up. I'd expect 17's to be up at least until Show 19 launches.
    Beelzebot44
    This is a really good example, because that was a ****ty effort as well. It was unbelievably slow and poorly designed.
    If you look at games like Madden, the mode has all the features of regular franchise and good servers and it's probably the most popular of the online franchise modes. That isn't a coincidence.

    Ea ruined madden with that cfm garbage l, they took out 32 team control m, the only way to have it now is to spend 1 hour making 32 profiles.. and it screws up your depth charts, and you can’t even put long snappers on the depth chart at their position, it’s like saying hey you got a shortstop
    But we won’t let you put him
    There in franchise mode! why You ask?? Because ea built that franchise cfm rubbish for online it’s designed for online in that way for 1 player and 1 team only.
    Ea think single player and offline games are dead, they have no idea. I’ve been. Angry since with madden, and the way I feel
    Is his online guys would be feeling now about scea and I can understand that.
    Beelzebot44
    I wonder why that is.
    Oh, yeah.

    Yeah as you can see I am well aware of the why.
    I would love a fully functional great online franchise mode with great online servers. I would be in a league in a nano second.
    Baseball is king for me.
    Hopefully they get right and it makes a triumphant return.
    I had said it really sucks for those that only play OF and no other modes.
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    WaitTilNextYear
    I think the real kick in the pants is these Online Franchise people have been waiting for 3-4 years to get a mode that actually works, then they see a closed alpha test is taking place presumably to improve the online functionality of this game, only for the actual solution being their mode has been totally removed. And 3 weeks before street date. And on top of that, people are telling them to get with the program and that the mode will "definitely" be back, when the track record of this mode in this game engenders anything but faith and good will toward the developers. This is not a fix, or rightly putting a bad mode out of its misery; it's a cop out.
    I don't play online, but I think folks have every right to be pretty ticked off about how this whole thing went down. If the mode was so terrible and non-functional, why not cut it back in 2015 or 2016? Why string it along? A better mode perhaps could've been resurrected by now if they hadn't been as content to keep offering the same mode from 2014 until 2017.

    Very well said. For me, not effected. I only play offline franchise mode when I'm traveling mostly, and occasionally at home.
    But I do know my friends and many on this site use this mode immensely. It's a shame.
    In a day and age when we have drones, self driving cars, and crypto-currency, you would think a company could manage to at least transition a gameplay mode popular with diehard core forum users, from one year to the next.
    Especially when you release a rare alpha testing to improve server functionality.
    jeffy777
    Ya know, maybe Online Franchise would've been more popular if they addressed the issues, updated it, and the servers weren't so horrible. Funny how that works....I always wanted to play, but every time I gave it another chance, it was a lag/bug fiesta...
    Yeah, it's great they re-built the servers and the code...but why wait so long to do it? The lag and other server issues have plagued The Show for years. In terms of lag, MLB 2K10 played like a dream online compared to The Show, but I just told myself, "be patient, SDS will get it right eventually"...that was 8 years ago, lol...
    It feels weird to applaud them for something that should've been done at least half a decade ago...especially when that means they rip Online Franchise out in the process...and we don't even know yet what the servers will actually be like this year. I'll believe it when I see it.
    Sadly, the one online mode I'm the most interested in playing doesn't exist any more to test this year, so yeah...bummer.

    Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the least played mode not because of interest but because the servers have been terrible for years. It's hard to get 30 users to stick with a game that doesn't work. People using the least played mode arguement is dumb, it's least played for a reason and it's not because we don't want to play, the game and it's issues don't allow it to work correctly!
    XtremeDunkz
    For context, I have been playing in a Madden online franchise since madden 10, with the same people, 32 strong, all year long, 7-8 seasons a year. THAT is what makes Madden fun for me. It has it's faults but for the competition you find a way to make it work. If Madden suddenly removed online franchise, ESPECIALLY announcing it right before the game comes out, I would be FURIOUS. I wouldn't even buy the game.
    So for those of you nagging on guys saying suck it up and "it might come back" just need to exit this thread because just think of how you would react if your top played mode was removed suddenly. Sadly there is no guarantee this is going to ever come back. EA's NHL series removed their OF for a similar reason and it still has no signs of ever coming back. This very well might be the end of that.

    Correct and Madden is successful because their servers work well! There are issues few and far between unlike MLB.
    IF IT WORKS, PEOPLE WILL PLAY IT! Keep up the good fight Dunkz
    I still believe its the fault of DD players. When card games came around, and people stated spending money on that. It's slowly ruining all sports games.
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    Tdubs112
    I still believe its the fault of DD players. When card games came around, and people stated spending money on that. It's slowly ruining all sports games.
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    I don't think it's important, relevant, or fair to place blame on anyone.
    Right now it just is what it is. Sucks for those who lost it but the last thing we should be doing is furthering the divide among those who play the game at this point.
    kehlis
    I don't think it's important, relevant, or fair to place blame on anyone.
    Right now it just is what it is. Sucks for those who lost it but the last thing we should be doing is furthering the divide among those who play the game at this point.
    I shouldn't have really said players, I should've said DD being created hurt the game in general. They through tons into it. It seems like that continuously gets changed and updated, and the core players of franchise get less and less.
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    This isn't about DD being a money grab. They literally said you won't be able to buy the great cards, its about grinding.
    Online franchise has been untouched in three years and they said they had to rewrite all of their code for the online side of the game which means the current code for online franchise would have caused the game to essentially crash because they would have had to rewrite the entire online franchise in order for it to work.
    It was actually only a few years ago where all franchise resources went into online franchise. Nothing was touched for offline that year. I thought the resources would be split and franchise became too district modes.
    I hope when it is rebooted it is feature for feature with offline. I would be more inclined to play online if every feature was the same.
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    As someone who primarily played in online franchises as my main mode of play, when I first read the announcement I was upset and even was saying to myself, “I am not going to buy this years game.”
    After watching Millenniums stream discussing it as well as just thinking about what other options I do or do not have, I know I can’t stay away from The Show.
    Maybe I’ll dive into offline franchise more like I did back in the day. Maybe I’ll become addicted to DD, something I’ve never really committed to before.
    I do know what I will miss is a good head to head battle against a like minded simulation gamer. As long as the lobbies are still in, or play a friend, I may just have to schedule some games like that to scratch that itch.
    I, along with all other lovers of Online Franchise, warts and all, am extremely disappointed. But I have decided to match that disappointment with a strong excited anticipation of enjoying game modes I haven’t dove into before.
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    selahsdaddy
    As someone who primarily played in online franchises as my main mode of play, when I first read the announcement I was upset and even was saying to myself, “I am not going to buy this years game.”
    After watching Millenniums stream discussing it as well as just thinking about what other options I do or do not have, I know I can’t stay away from The Show.
    Maybe I’ll dive into offline franchise more like I did back in the day. Maybe I’ll become addicted to DD, something I’ve never really committed to before.
    I do know what I will miss is a good head to head battle against a like minded simulation gamer. As long as the lobbies are still in, or play a friend, I may just have to schedule some games like that to scratch that itch.
    I, along with all other lovers of Online Franchise, warts and all, am extremely disappointed. But I have decided to match that disappointment with a strong excited anticipation of enjoying game modes I haven’t dove into before.
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    Playing DD against friends who are like minded simulation players when servers work properly is a blast.
    If they gave us the ability to create private DD leagues it would be awesome.
    As of now I still will venture to try online DD once again if they indeed got the servers and gameplay as close to the quality of offline as they can.
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    The mode was pretty bad. We should be happy. For those that played it, you knew what it was. Now, they use the resources to improve other areas before they go to this seldom used mode...
    geisterhome
    i dont play online at all so im fine with it. wish they dropped that diamond dynasty instead tho lol
    A 162 game season is hard to play though even on your own.
    SM-G955F

    I don't touch online either but feel for those who do, just because I don't play DD or OF does not mean I want them gone.
    Really feel for you guys losing online franchise. Could not imagine losing offline; even if only for one title! I do agree that slow playing this news is bad optics, even if it was with good intentions of holding out hope it could squeeze in before going gold. Heres hoping it comes back and is the headline on the back of the box. They could really make next year all about franchise both on, and offline.
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    After watching the Gameplay Twitch stream all they talked about was playing folks online and different things people would exploit yet they take out Online Franchise how disappointing. I wonder what online modes they will have.
    HarmonTrillabrew
    You're really cool, bro. Why come in here if it don't bother you? Like a thread like this would be for people to he happy about it. Take your pretentious *** to the uniform thread where people complain about belt colors :camby:

    Lol I like how you being mad about online franchise being gone is okay but the people who want colors corrected are pretentious ***es. ‘My thing is more important than your thing, so shut up!’
    Cool story bro. All of us care about this game in our own ways. Don’t understand why we have to belittle people for caring about colors.
    This sucks for people who played it. I didn’t. But SDS is one dev company I trust and because of that I think it can make a return, and be drastically improved. I wouldn’t assume it will, like a lot in this thread are. But I think it absolutely is on the table.
    thewalrustwaspaul
    I think the last 2 years taught them a lot about what the servers can and can't do, they cut it to improve server stability.
    If it can be re added in the future it will be.

    No, they cut it because they tailored the base network code changes to suit DD and didn't think it was worth the time to alter the online franchise network code to work with it. They basically said that.
    Also can't belittle people for colors when they're straight up wrong. It's not like the people bringing up the colors are making this issue up.
    If the Yankees had red belts in the game everyone would be up in arms.
    So if any team in the game has the wrong belt colors there's nothing wrong with someone bringing it up in the right ways.
    I understand those people in online Franchise leagues would be disappointed and angry especially since it was announced 3 weeks prior to release.  If that's what you were looking for in the game and you no longer want it then definitely contact Sony about canceling your preorder.  I tend to believe what Millennium said on twitter.   He does have communication with the devs that we don't.  Furthermore,  devs hate to take features out of a product.   What is probably the case that when management set priorities DD had priority over OLF because it is more popular and is a cash cow.  That doesn't mean it won't be back once they can re-implement using the new netcode infrastructure (assuming it works as they intend.)  Remember EAHL was cut from the NHL series in it's first XBox One/PS 4 release and it has now returned.    Heavy duty franchise management folks should have a look at OOTP 19 if they already haven't.....no sticks but great history and team management detail.
    ejf0255
    What did they replace it with ? I mean take away should lead to a give to us no ? LoL. Perhaps make a Stadium or expansion in off line leagues ??
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    The tradeoff should be a better online experience, from what was said in that blog PLUS what they've been saying since the alpha (one focus was hitting, the other was the online structure/stablility).
    If we get the same online experience as in the past few years, there's going to be some MAJOR, deserved backlash.
    ejf0255
    What did they replace it with ? I mean take away should lead to a give to us no ? LoL. Perhaps make a Stadium or expansion in off line leagues ??
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    I don't think it's subtraction necessarily means an addition of something else.
    bcruise
    The tradeoff should be a better online experience, from what was said in that blog PLUS what they've been saying since the alpha (one focus was hitting, the other was the online structure/stablility).
    If we get the same online experience as in the past few years, there's going to be some MAJOR, deserved backlash.
    Agree. Can't take away and not replace it with out any replacement. Boo. But when you have a monopoly do you have to try ? LoL.
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    Skipping this year anyway.  I went without playing it a couple of years. I got the game last year and it still felt like I was playing a 2-3 year old game. Watched some videos of the game this year and it still looks and sound the same as many of the games years before it. I'm not naive enough to believe they just couldn't get the mode into the game.  They want to gain more traction for Diamond Dynasty.  I'm glad Super Mega Baseball 2 will be out soon..  The Show needs to reinvent itself or something. It's a solid franchise. But it's stale.
    I don't play Online Franchise but this isn't good news. I'm never a fan of features being removed. I do trust the team and believe their reason, but it still isn't something that is going to make a lot of folks warm and fuzzy.
    This won't effect my buying decision, I'm all in, but I as I said before this isn't a mode I played. I fully expect some folks to now pass on this game and I can't blame them if that was their main mode. Hopefully this is as they say a one year withdraw and when Online Franchise returns it will have something more added to it to make up for this one year without. I just pray they don't follow the lead of other developers when they remove a feature and never return it.
    ejf0255
    It should. We pay the same for less ? Makes no sense. LoL. To them sure but, us fans. Nope.
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    Well in theory there will still be "more". I think he meant that just because they're subtracting this, doesn't mean there's necessarily now going to be any more than originally.
    In theory, RTTS will be deeper, DD will be deeper, the servers will be better and game play will be better. What the end result is still up in the air, of course. But in theory, you won't be getting less for the same price. (That said if you're an OF person primarily, I guess you would be, but then you just wouldn't buy the game)
    It's odd given that it would take months to work on the online experience/stabilizing servers thus they must have been doing this for quite some time. Either they thought they could still add it back in or when they did, major issues came up and they decided to scrap Online Franchise.
    If they have been working on this for months and this was in their plan all along, they should have announced this last year. I think most people here would be more happier and more understanding seeing as hey, the devs know the online experience is not where it needs to be, online franchise needs work, and want to take it out in order to give us a better mode. The hate in my opinion and justifiably so is backlash toward announcing it 3 weeks to launch after you've been taking pre-orders for months.
    I am an offline franchise player. Considering what I have read about the server issues the past two years discouraged me from ever wanting to try it.
    For the online franchise guys this is a huge letdown, as I feel that notice of this should have been out front more. I know they worked on it until they had to throw in the towel, but I still feel there should have been some information released prior......but it wasn’t, probably to keep this from effecting the preorder sales.
    As for me, I will wait and see what the reviews are from the group of people that get the early release before I invest my money this year.
    We have the power in our pockets.
    As a rule in 2018 people really should stop pre ordering games anyway. you don't walk into a shop now and find they have ran out of copies after a few hours, it doesn't happen anymore it's not the 90s or early 2000s anymore. add to the fact that one day everything is gonna go all digital soon.
    We have all this pre order garbage stuff where if you pay more $$$ you get a purple skin costume or in this case cards.
    This is a lesson learnt that if you pre order this kind of thing can happen in any game.
    ninertravel
    As a rule in 2018 people really should stop pre ordering games anyway. you don't walk into a shop now and find they have ran out of copies after a few hours..
    We have all this pre order garbage stuff where if you pay more $$$ you get a purple skin costume or in this case cards.

    That's why people pre-order. If there was no incentive, most people who pre-order probably wouldn't bother.
    MLB14
    That's why people pre-order. If there was no incentive, most people who pre-order probably wouldn't bother.

    I don't think that is true at all. and you will find if you go buy a game on Day 1 or day 2. more of that junk you can still get anyway because they have hundreds of copies still left with Codes for that 'skin content'
    I have only ever seen 1 game not on the shelves after day 1 that sold out the past 10 years. and that was Crash bandicoot. mainly because it was a older generation of fans, and it didn't have any of those little tiny microtransaction or skin crap.
    I feel bad for OF folks, but this isn't at all surprising. I'm strongly considering skipping the Show this year anyway; not because of this, but because I consciously made the decision to step away from a lot of gaming the past few months. That decision has been healthy, rewarding, and utterly refreshing, and this is just one more piece that reaffirms that decision for me.
    I hope one day folks get the game/modes they truly are hoping for. In the meantime, I'll be at the beach!
    ejf0255
    Agree. Can't take away and not replace it with out any replacement. Boo. But when you have a monopoly do you have to try ? LoL.
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    Would love for EA to get back into the game but I don't see it since Sony has the rights.
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    hitman23
    Would love for EA to get back into the game but I don't see it since Sony has the rights.
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    Sony doesn't have exclusive rights. 2K purchased exclusive rights to produce 3rd party baseball titles but that has since lapsed.
    Anyone can make a baseball game.
    My bad. I wish someone like EA would then get back into it then. I bet a lot of people would buy their game since MVP '05 was a very popular title back in the day.
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    You guys are kidding me by wanting EA to take over... when you consider the amount of controversy they are going through the past year.
    Madden has been crap since the CFM came in and that mode has not changed in 5 years. They took out 32 team control, 5 years ago, kinda added it back in but it takes 1 hour to setup 32 separate profiles. because that mode is designed for online.
    EA do think single player and offline is dead, so I can I can see why the online guys would prefer them but be damm careful what you wish for it would be microtransaction heaven.. could you imagine??? spend $3 to get more Power for Aaron Judge to get his ratings to 92 instead of 90 LOL or you can grind for 100 hours to earn it.
    hitman23
    My bad. I wish someone like EA would then get back into it then. I bet a lot of people would buy their game since MVP '05 was a very popular title back in the day.
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    There was talk a year or so ago about them getting back into baseball, but nothing more came from it.
    I'm a Show fan, but I wouldn't mind seeing another developer getting into the mix (2K, EA, a reunion of the Acclaim staff). Choices are always better for the consumer.
    tabarnes19
    It was actually only a few years ago where all franchise resources went into online franchise. Nothing was touched for offline that year. I thought the resources would be split and franchise became too district modes.
    I hope when it is rebooted it is feature for feature with offline. I would be more inclined to play online if every feature was the same.
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    I was just thinking about this. I remember saying something at the time along the lines of "I get it and support it, since online guys have certainly eaten more than their fair share of crap, but as an offline franchise guy it sucks to keep waiting for our turn"
    Obviously hindsight is 20/20 and all that (and I get why the devs prioritized the way they did, when they did), but it is kind of a gut punch knowing we lost dev time that potentially could have gone towards offline franchise (or anything else significant) to work that had to be scrapped anyway.
    Selfishly, beyond just what this means for online franchise going forward (I do believe it will be back but, unlike others, I'm not sold on it being next year), I wonder if it impacts offline franchise plans in any way...particularly if the do indeed attempt to bring feature parity between on and offline franchise.
    Not to make it about me, of course :duck: ...obviously the loss for online franchise players is a big blow, regardless of whether or not the reasons are right/make sense overall or what potential ramifications rest elsewhere. It just sucks really. I hope for everyone's sake that online is vastly improved...I can't imagine the number of pitchforks if it looks like this was removed for nothing.
    hitman23
    Would love for EA to get back into the game but I don't see it since Sony has the rights.
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    Sony only owns first party rights EA could jump in and buy third party rights if they wanted.
    thewalrustwaspaul
    Sony only owns first party rights EA could jump in and buy third party rights if they wanted.

    They don't own first party rights, Microsoft could make something.
    nemesis04
    They don't own first party rights, Microsoft could make something.

    Yeah, first party rights mean you can make it for your platform only yes Microsoft could also buy first party rights and make a game for xbox or windows 10.
    thewalrustwaspaul
    Sony only owns first party rights EA could jump in and buy third party rights if they wanted.

    Sony never had any kind of First/Third party exclusive agreement. The only reason they're ever mentioned in this context is because for a while 2K DID have a third party exclusive with MLB, which froze EA out of baseball while still allowing Sony to make a game on their own console (The Show). That license, however, expired along with the demise of the MLB2k series. So there are no restrictions anymore other than the license agreement with MLB itself (which, of course, isn't cheap).
    Edit: Not responding further on this topic - see post directly below this one.
    bcruise
    Sony never had any kind of First/Third party exclusive agreement. The only reason they're ever mentioned in this context is because for a while 2K DID have a third party exclusive with MLB, which froze EA out of baseball while still allowing Sony to make a game on their own console (The Show). That license, however, expired along with the demise of the MLB2k series. So there are no restrictions anymore other than the license agreement with MLB itself (which, of course, isn't cheap).

    I never said they did, read what I wrote, Jesus.
    They own the rights for playstation(first party rights) there is nothing stopping anyone else from doing what sony is doing.
    So anyway, back on topic....
    I touched on it earlier, but I think this is a really bold move for SDS. They're really putting themselves out there that they've gone to great lengths to improve the online play for '18. It's not so much due to removing online franchise specifically, but that they're making it clear that BECAUSE of that online upgrade, OF didn't make the cut. if you're gonna say that publicly before release, either you've got a lot of confidence that it actually WILL be better than previous years, or you risk really losing the faith of your fanbase if it's not. Even though I haven't played OF for several years, I will be pretty upset if the online experience isn't a lot better this year. The Show has lagged behind the other sports games in this department for far too long.
    I do feel bad for the guys that did play the mode regularly, and hope that it comes back once it can be given some proper attention.
    bcruise
    So anyway, back on topic....
    I touched on it earlier, but I think this is a really bold move for SDS. They're really putting themselves out there that they've gone to great lengths to improve the online play for '18. It's not so much due to removing online franchise specifically, but that they're making it clear that BECAUSE of that online upgrade, OF didn't make the cut. if you're gonna say that publicly before release, either you've got a lot of confidence that it actually WILL be better than previous years, or you risk really losing the faith of your fanbase if it's not. Even though I haven't played OF for several years, I will be pretty upset if the online experience isn't a lot better this year. The Show has lagged behind the other sports games in this department for far too long.
    I do feel bad for the guys that did play the mode regularly, and hope that it comes back once it can be given some proper attention.

    Yea I feel they are confident with the servers this year because they have already had a stress test on them (closed alpha) and it seems to have worked out well from what I have heard. Also in one of their posts at some point they said something about another stress test closer to release (maybe talking about the pre order incentives).
    redsox4evur
    Yea I feel they are confident with the servers this year because they have already had a stress test on them (closed alpha) and it seems to have worked out well from what I have heard. Also in one of their posts at some point they said something about another stress test closer to release (maybe talking about the pre order incentives).

    I will believe it when I see it. We have been down this road numerous times only to be disappointed. I want nothing more than to have a great online experience but at this point no words can instill confidence, we need results.
    countryboy
    Sony doesn't have exclusive rights. 2K purchased exclusive rights to produce 3rd party baseball titles but that has since lapsed.
    Anyone can make a baseball game.

    I still think Microsoft should try creating one.
    redsox4evur
    Yea I feel they are confident with the servers this year because they have already had a stress test on them (closed alpha) and it seems to have worked out well from what I have heard. Also in one of their posts at some point they said something about another stress test closer to release (maybe talking about the pre order incentives).

    Time will tell. I'm not sure being pushed to "re-write their entire code" (not sure if that is hyperbole or not) and cut Online Franchise, too, is a sign of confidence or of them entering into the unknown a bit. A couple of stress tests and a small-ish closed alpha ain't gonna test them like release will. It simply remains to be seen if things will be improved or not.
    I think we can agree that another rollout similar to the past couple of years with online play would give a huge black eye to SDS' reputation. Even among those who normally defend them to the hilt. When you end up giving your customers free stuff to get them to put the pitchforks down, that's definitely not Plan A in any business model.
    countryboy
    couldn't have said it better myself. ;)
    :lol:

    nemesis04
    Lol, to the letter!

    I'd make a joke about Barry Bonds' number being retired in August against the Pirates, but I'm not sure it'd catch on here.
    I moved from PS3 to Xbox360 when all my friends were playing NCAA on Xbox. I am currently in a good place with my family life, work life, financially to pull the trigger and own both a PS4 and Xbox1. I really only wanted the PS4 for The Show. Knowing this saves me another year.
    Please understand, I'm not saying this as a fanboy of any console. I really enjoy baseball and wished X1 had a version even close to the Show. But online Franchise would be the only mode I'd be even interested in.
    Very disappointed.
    BellSKA
    I moved from PS3 to Xbox360 when all my friends were playing NCAA on Xbox. I am currently in a good place with my family life, work life, financially to pull the trigger and own both a PS4 and Xbox1. I really only wanted the PS4 for The Show. Knowing this saves me another year.
    Please understand, I'm not saying this as a fanboy of any console. I really enjoy baseball and wished X1 had a version even close to the Show. But online Franchise would be the only mode I'd be even interested in.
    Very disappointed.
    If you were buying this game for Online Franchise, I think you would have been disappointed anyway. In my opinion, OF was easily the weakest and most frustrating part of this game.
    Hopefully, it can return bigger and better in the future. Time will tell.
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    thaSLAB
    If you were buying this game for Online Franchise, I think you would have been disappointed anyway. In my opinion, OF was easily the weakest and most frustrating part of this game.
    Hopefully, it can return bigger and better in the future. Time will tell.
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    So true. With a bunch of workarounds online franchise was playable but, for me personally, was very frustrating. I gave up on online franchise this year and played some DD to get my online fix. But, for the most part, I play the Show for my offline franchise so this doesnt really bother me that much.
    Here's my concern.
    Many can say 'well the amount of people who play Online Franchise is such such" but this comment is terrible.
    In the end we are all paying costumers! If you don't commit time to improving a mode how do you players to be excited for it? Yes DD is a great mode and money grabber, but the way Sony went deep into development into this mode is how they should've done into Online Franchise.
    I saw this on the NHL fourm and I think it relates to us who pay to play the game and our favorite mode.
    "I had alot of fun with GM Connected on NHL 13 but EA says no one played it so they don't intend to bring it back any time soon.
    Of course, they ignore the fact that they never fixed the laggy menus, ridiculous advance times or multiple unnecessary advance periods in the offseason. Basically, they never enhanced the mode after rolling it out. Then, they wonder why people didn't play it."
    I wonder how DD would look if they don't touch it for 3 years straight..... I bet the amount of players on it would decrease too.
    And that's not rocket science.
    thaSLAB
    If you were buying this game for Online Franchise, I think you would have been disappointed anyway. In my opinion, OF was easily the weakest and most frustrating part of this game.
    Hopefully, it can return bigger and better in the future. Time will tell.
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    It's more to compete vs your friends.
    Not everyone wants to use a DD team to play vs their friends or play the "play now" feature.
    Not sure why anyone here just assumes it'll return in 19. All we've (online franchise players) been told year after year is that we can't get any improvements because the numbers they see suggest the mode is the least played. And because it's the least played, they can't justify spending time/resources on it. So we're now expected to believe they will spend a substantial amount of development time rebuilding a mode from the ground up that supposedly nobody plays?! I'll believe it when I see it.
    The mode hadn't been touched in 2 years and key features advertised as far back as MLB 16 didn't work properly. These issues should have been fixed for 17. Instead we got the absolute worst online season/franchise mode in the games history. Which probably led to even less playing (OS Vets couldnt finish a season) and now it's removed. People were angry the mode was literally untouched last year but then see there was time for an entirely new game mode like retro mode to make the cut.
    NYYanks26
    Not sure why anyone here just assumes it'll return in 19. All we've (online franchise players) have been told year after year is that we can't get any improvements because the numbers they see suggest the mode is the least played. And because it's the least played, they can't justify spending time/resources on it. So we're now expected to believe they will spend a substantial amount of development time rebuilding a mode from the ground up that supposedly nobody plays?! I'll believe it when I see it.
    The mode hadn't been touched in 2 years and key features advertised as far back as MLB 16 didn't work properly. These issues should have been fixed for 17. Instead we got the absolute worst online season/franchise mode in the games history. Which probably led to even less playing (OS Vets couldnt finish a season) and now it's removed. People were angry the mode was literally untouched last year but then see there was time for an entirely new game mode like retro mode to make the cut.

    I blame the studio honestly. I think they only have one developer work on the online franchise and he also works on the offline franchise section. Like c'mon, invest some money and get him some help!
    Until they get him some help I don't expect him to be able to code the Online franchise fully.
    I think that was one of the issues in the past, where he wasn't able to duplicate the coding for the offline to online. The online coding and offline coding are very different (I could be wrong)
    NYYanks26
    Not sure why anyone here just assumes it'll return in 19. All we've (online franchise players) have been told year after year is that we can't get any improvements because the numbers they see suggest the mode is the least played. And because it's the least played, they can't justify spending time/resources on it. So we're now expected to believe they will spend a substantial amount of development time rebuilding a mode from the ground up that supposedly nobody plays?! I'll believe it when I see it.
    The mode hadn't been touched in 2 years and key features advertised as far back as MLB 16 didn't work properly. These issues should have been fixed for 17. Instead we got the absolute worst online season/franchise mode in the games history. Which probably led to even less playing (OS Vets couldnt finish a season) and now it's removed. People were angry the mode was literally untouched last year but then see there was time for an entirely new game mode like retro mode to make the cut.

    Exactly. There comment leave hope, but I could see them returning to a league format before franchise. And honestly OF has gone untouched since it's inception in MLB14. Can't remember anything being added at all.
    Mgbleu1986
    Let's look at the bright side, at least we can choose our own ridiculous looking bat flip....yay

    These two things are completely unrelated and there is no correlation between losing online franchise and them adding some silly bat flips. Not sure why this is a hard thing to understand.
    redsfan4life
    See you next year MLB community. They've had more than enough time to address this mode and we always get 'next year' with these guys. At this point I'm done with SCEA.

    Same here. I’m not giving them a pass on this one. This is the mode I play every year the most and you don’t include it? Simple, I won’t purchase..
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    Damn that's rough. Online Franchise isn't my mode but I know the feeling when your favourite way to play is removed. Sorry for anyone out there that was an online Franchise guy.
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    GoDucks1224
    These two things are completely unrelated and there is no correlation between losing online franchise and them adding some silly bat flips. Not sure why this is a hard thing to understand.

    You're correct that they are unrelated and to say that those additions took away from OF resources is probably incorrect. The problem, at least for me, is for 3 years OFers have been asking for the most basic of additions (like stamina for position players just to name an obvious one) and we get nothing yet the folks who complain about the wrong beard length or wrong shade of red on a uniform get their voices heard. Optics look bad there and it's a slap in the face of us who did play the mode.
    Now, I totally understand that there is probably a big difference in how you fix that stuff within the code of the game. That doesn't take away the fact that I have been a long time consumer of their product and expected to be treated a little bit better than I have over the last few yrs with this game.
    Sports games are at their best when you can customize your experience however you want. We're seeing more and more sports games forcing people to play the mode that they want you to play, usually a revenue enhancing one at that. It's just sad but that is just how games, particularly sports games, are trending (and have been for some time) and it's not going to get any better.
    This is much needed. I’ll take better servers if it means no online franchise. How long have we been asking for this? FOREVER!!! And we’re finally getting it. Thank you.
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    underdog13
    Damn that's rough. Online Franchise isn't my mode but I know the feeling when your favourite way to play is removed. Sorry for anyone out there that was an online Franchise guy.

    This does not affect me, but you are right. How long before my or your preferred way to play the game is removed? In fact for all I know my preferred way to play the game "Offline Manage Only Mode" isn't even in MLB 18. In fact a certain high level SDS staff member publicly stated during the DEV stream a couple of years ago "Who in their right mind would ever want to play this way. Let's show something else, this is boring". Perhaps I make the mistake every year of pre-ordering the game assuming the way I like playing the game is still available. Perhaps the smarter thing to do is wait until the game is released to find out what is in the game and what has been removed instead of relying on them to show us only what they want us to see based on how they want us to play.
    I’m definitely not expecting the mode to return, especially anytime soon. Wasn’t it a few years ago that they stripped features from the offline franchise mode because they weren’t functioning proper to what was expected, and all these years later we don’t have things like promotions, news paper headlines, and owner’s options back in the series?
    And regardless of what they, or anyone else claims, when gaming companies make DD and Ultimate Team modes a top priority then other aspects of those franchises suffer or fall behind. It has to be might difficult to get corporate or a boss that looks at the bottom line to sign off on the offline gaming improvements when paid packs drive the finances.
    Heck, how many of us have suffered through the pc putting a non catcher in at catcher only to have them drop nearly every pitch? And now the video of Ted Williams, with arguably the best hand-eye coordination ever in the game, misplaying nearly every toss over to first base, just because DD players were abusing playing players “out of position.”
    I get that we love this game and the producers of it, but this sucks. And I don’t fault anyone who won’t purchase the product because of how this was handled or because of how the game is being built now with these focuses or lack there of. And I certainly won’t begrudge those who speak up in a manner in which is appropriate and let’s their displeasure be known, because the metadata doesn’t tell the whole story here.
    RyanLaFalce
    This is much needed. I’ll take better servers if it means no online franchise. How long have we been asking for this? FOREVER!!! And we’re finally getting it. Thank you.
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    Yea, cause online franchise is what was killin' the server performance all these years.
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