Paul Pierce Revealed For NBA 2K18 All-Time Celtics Team, Who Deserves to Join Him?

Whatsup with that jersey?

Why does it look like he's in a Nike association jersey tho?
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They apparently gave the all time Celtics team Nike Jerseys but not Lakers or Heat

The high rating is THE TRUTH at his peak...should just call him FACTS for that matter
must say the face scan looka really awesome and spot on...might look a bit ackward if the roster is filled with legends with low quality scans...we can see bill russels number in the back ground...i hope his image blends in nicely

The all time team can likely wear any available jersey._..

Isn't he doing a one day contract with the celtics so he can retire with them. Put him in the Nike celtics jersey.

I want to see Bird....his hair changes every release.
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Bill Russell in the background. Probably the same model which I'm ok with.

Need to get a much better look at that Bill Russell. Hope it's at least on par with the 2k17 Russell player model.

Can we get a petition to get a front clear view of Russell?

Eh it wont do much good. Besides 2k will probably get to the rest of those after revealing the rest of the new classic teams.

The Truth looks good, come on 2K show me the rest of my All Time team....stop playing.

Boston has a great history I'm sure you can fill in the rest.

Yeah but I want to see how they look in game

They did such a good job with him in 2K17. Any chance they would mess with him?
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Understood, I would like to see Antoine Walker.

Yup. :popcorn:

Off topic but they HAVE to improve Hakeem for the all time teams/94 rockets

So who's starting at small forward? Pierce or Bird? 🤔

Both starting...
Position.Less.Basket.Ball.
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Can't hide my bias now... Bird starting. No question. Prime Havlicek would also start over Pierce.
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Come on 2k.. Can you please squeeze Reggie Lewis on to this roster?

I hope Walkers Shimmy is in. and that wiggle dance he'd do.

Off topic but the back of Nike jerseys are freaking atrocious. Seriously, what were they thinking?

I was excited about Nike getting the rights. Now I wish Adidas still had them. Nike has butchered these things.

Walker should 100% not make a Boston all time team lol.
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I feel like Len Bias should. Be awesome to see what should have been.

Yeah they have such a rich history but still I would like to see him.

Or Reggie Lewis as well.

C'mon brother.

If I had to guess the entire 2K All-Time Celtics roster, it would have to be (in no particular order)...
1. Paul Pierce
2. Bill Russell
3. Larry Bird
4. John Havlicek
5. Kevin McHale
6. Bob Cousy
7. Dave Cowens
8. Robert Parish
9. Tommy Heinsohn
10. Dennis Johnson
11. Danny Ainge
12. Sam Jones
13. Kevin Garnett
14. Jo Jo White
15. Cedric Maxwell? Nate Archibald? There's a few guys you could go with.

15 spot I would say Bill Sharman, or Satch Sanders. Maybe even KC Jones. I doubt Maxwell makes the game, though that would be nice. I think Reggie Lewis is already on the game so there would be a good possibility for him as well. With all these guys listed out I think Ainge should probably miss the cut.
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I'm guessing:
Cousy
Sam Jones
Bill Russell
Hondo
Cowens
Larry Bird
Kevin McHale
Robert Parrish
Reggie Lewis
Dennis Johnson

finally looks like they updated his model after being the same every year on next gen!

No love for Reggie Lewis?

Because he is in one...

The top 25 players in Celtics history
POINT GUARDS (5)
Isaiah Thomas (23.8 PER, 2 years, 2x All-Star)
Bob Cousy (19.8 PER, 13 years, 13x All-Star)
Rajon Rondo (17.0 PER, 9 years, 4x All-Star)
Jo Jo White (14.5 PER, 10 years, 7x All-Star)
Dennis Johnson (13.4 PER, 7 years, 1x All-Star)
In two seasons Thomas has established himself as the best guard in franchise history. A lot of people might think it's too early to put him on an All-Time team (particularly with a franchise as storied as this one), but it's not like any of you would be leaving Kevin Durant off the Warriors All-Time team, now would you?
A lot of people will probably slam Dennis Johnson into their top 15 but he spent the back-half of his career with the Celtics, not the front-half.
Sam Jones (18.7 PER, 12 years, 5x All-Star)
Bill Sharman (18.2 PER, 10 years, 8x All-Star)
Ray Allen (16.1 PER, 5 years, 3x All-Star)
Danny Ainge (14.3 PER, 8 years, 1x All-Star)
Frank Ramsey (15.5 PER, 9 years)
Ray Allen (even in his post-prime) is likely the best SG in franchise history when we account for era differential. Gordon Hayward could have something to say about this shortly.
SMALL FORWARDS (5)
Larry Bird (23.5 PER, 13 years, 12x All-Star)
Paul Pierce (20.6 PER, 15 years, 10x All-Star)
John Havlicek (17.5 PER, 16 years, 13x All-Star)
Reggie Lewis (17.1 PER, 5 years, 1x All-Star)
Cedric Maxwell (16.8 PER, 8 years)
Top three easy locks. Don't really see the appeal of Lewis, beyond the lore of his untimely death.
POWER FORWARDS (5)
Kevin Garnett (21.1 PER, 6 years, 5x All-Star)
Kevin McHale (20.0 PER, 13 years, 7x All-Star)
Tom Heinsohn (17.8 PER, 9 years, 6x All-Star)
Antoine Walker (16.9 PER, 8 years, 3x All-Star)
Bailey Howell (17.9 PER, 4 years, 1x All-Star)
The fact that Antoine Walker has a semi-legit case says a lot about how bad the PF position has been for much of the NBA's history.
CENTERS (5)
Bill Russell (18.9 PER, 13 years, 12x All-Star)
Robert Parish (19.8 PER, 14 years, 9x All-Star)
Dave Cowens (17.2 PER, 10 years, 8x All-Star)
Ed Macauley (21.6 PER, 6 years, 6x All-Star) - 1950s honestly disqualifies him
Al Horford (17.7 PER, 1 year)
My Picks
PG: Thomas, Cousy, Rondo
SG: Jones, Sharman, Allen
SF: Bird, Pierce, Havlicek
PF: Garnett, McHale, Heinsohn (waiting to get knocked off by Gordon Hayward)
C: Russell, Parish, Cowens

(I'm excluding Bill Russell as well since he's clearly in the pic with Pierce)
-Larry Bird
-Kevin McHale
-Robert Parish
-John Havlicek
-Bob Cousy
-Dave Cowens
-Bill Sharman
-Sam Jones
-Tom Heinsohn
-Cedric Maxwell
-Jo Jo White

If Danny Ainge makes it, I'll laugh my *** off :popcorn:

Bill Russell
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Robert Parish
Kevin McHale
Tommy Heinsohn
Larry Bird
Reggie Lewis
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Ray Allen
John Havlicek
Sam Jones
Dennis Johnson
Rajon Rondo

I don't think Kevin Garnett or Ray Allen should be on the celtics all-time list, not homegrown and their best years were with other teams.

That's a joke right?
"Not homegrown?" Who the hell cares? They won bostons only championship in the last 31 years!
At worst maybe you have a case for ray Allen but I don't see anyone else more deserving necessarily.

I was serious but it's not that serious, and it's only my opinion, shame on me for speaking on who I thought shouldn't be on the team.

I think it's pretty clear they will have MANY players on multiple All-Time teams. It's the only way if they aren't using generics. Also with that logic Wilt would not be on the All-Time Lakers. His best years were with the Sixers.
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The art team better update Larry Bird.

No one thinks those Brooklyn picks will make the squad?
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I completely disagree with the IT assessment and would absolutely leave KD off the all-time Warriors team until he's stuck around for a few more seasons. Thomas is such a small part in team history, and throwing him in first because of PER leaves out a lot of other factors.
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As much as some of these players deserve to be on the team, guys like JoJo and Bill Sharman probably won't make it cause they've been missing from the game/MyTeam in years past. SO they'll probably be replaced by players you normally wouldn't include on the team. I imagine this will be the case for a lot of the All-Time teams.

Sadlly true

I don't think JoJo will be on considering his likeness has been absent from 2K for the longest. Honestly, as a Bostonian, I'd rather see Antoine Walker fill in.
Hell I'd even take Walter McCarty lol. This might make more sense given he's played more recently, gave them 8 years and remains a part of the Celtics organization today (serves as one of the many assistant coaches).

Even with JoJo and Sherman out, the Celtics have more than 15 to include already in the game.
C - Russell, Cowens, Parish
PF - Garnett, McHale, Sanders, Heinsohn, Walker
SF - Bird, Pierce, Havlicek
SG - Lewis, Allen, Jones, Ainge
PG - Cousy, Jones, Rondo, Thomas
4 of them will be out, I think Sanders, KC Jones, Rondo and Allen.
Walker was great on the Celtics with Pierce and he is only an ok player on classic Heat.
Lewis don't have a team yet, so they will probably include him on the all-tine C's

I am interested in what surprise players make an appearance on some of the teams with less of a storied history. I hope they don't just use current players as fillers. Will there be some new players who weren't DLC in 2k12 and haven't been on MyTeam?
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You gone stop with that right now man Lol

Nothing I have to say about Paul Piece would survive the terms of service.

Yes, stint on the team and impact should be two of the main factors. No way does any rational person place Durant on the all - time Warriors team based on one damn season, especially when Rick Barry & Chris Mullin are deserving of a spot.
I love how P squared waited until he was retired to be scanned. LOL
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Now you're going to have me going down the line to see who'd make a 15-man All-Time Warriors roster.
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Rick Barry
3. Nate Thurmond
4. Sleepy Floyd
5. Tim Hardaway
6. Chris Mullin
7. Mitch Richmond
8. Latrell Sprewell
9. Stephen Curry
10. Klay Thompson
... this is where I have to go way back...
11. Paul Arizin (10-time All-Star all with the Warriors)
12. Neil Johnston (5-time All-Star all with the Warriors)
... and then this is where I go to Basketball Reference to see who else is floating out there...
13. Tom Gola (3 or 4-time All-Star with the Warriors)
14. Jeff Mullins (3-time All-Star in 10 years with Warriors, seventh in Warriors all-time scoring)
15. Purvis Short (eighth all-time leading scorer in Warriors history, no all-star appearances)
...And a couple modern guys I forgot...
16. Baron Davis (4 seasons, 0 All-Star appearances, 1 great playoff run ending in second round)
17. Jason Richardson (6 seasons, 0 All-Star appearances)
I don't know, while accounting for the possibility that I missed someone really obvious, I think there's an outside shot that someone having the single season and finals performance that Kevin Durant did (overwhelming Finals MVP while putting up 35, 8, and 5) could overshadow someone like Sleepy Floyd, who had that nasty playoff quarter and one all-star appearance in four or five seasons with the Warriors.
It gets a little tough when measuring longevity vs. impact. Durant's impact was about as extreme as it could get and could probably compensate for multiple years in town at a much lesser impact.

A 94 for Pierce is absolutely ridiculous c'mon...

Yeah if Pierce is a 94, we're going to have a lot of 97-99s walking around..

I saw Pierce's whole career lol. The absolute highest he should be is a 91.
A 94 is actually absurdly high and I see 2K doing a lot of overrating of past players like you said smh. A 94 puts him in the same conversation as guys like current LeBron, KD, Westbrook, Harden, AD, etc. and he was never that good.

Quick reminder that the teams actually design the jerseys and have the final say over any design changes Nike suggests.
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most likely this.

KG definitely deserves a spot.
BTW, PP looks good in this pic.

Not sure about the last part since they arguably could have still won had it been Harrison Barnes in that spot. As of right now I would have Draymond's body of work more deserving of landing on their all time squad.. that could obviously change 3 years down the line however.
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Great is being used extremely loosely here lol
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He isn't being thrown on "because of PER". It is used to illustrate that:
A. Point Guard is easily Boston's weakest historical position.
B. He is the best player they've ever had at the position.
C. What Thomas is doing TODAY is right up there with other Boston's greats. There's a reason they want to lock him up for the richest contract in franchise history at around, oh, 200 million (at which point his inclusion becomes a formality).
If you want to give more credence to Longevity than Greatness, that's your prerogative. The guy just averaged 29 PPG, more than anyone else in franchise history. He was All-NBA Second Team last season - which leaves him in pretty select company.
Modern Era All-NBA Celtics
First Team: Bird (1980-1988), McHale (1987), Garnett (2008)
Second Team: Archibald (1981), Parish (1982), Bird (1990), Pierce (2009), Thomas (2017)
Third Team: Parish (1989), Pierce (2002-2003, 2008), Rondo (2012)

8 seasons, 21 ppg, 9rpg, 4 apg.
Ok, he wasn't great, but he and Pierce was the best players of the Celtics post Bird until the arrival of Garnett

We talking about Kevin Durant vs Latrell Sprewell man. Not Andre iguodala vs Sprewell. Leaving Durant off is such a major reach and you know you won't be doing it 500 days from now so really what's the point?

Pierce is basically the Scottie Pippen of his generation. Except he gets more than his due credit because he spent too much time as first banana.

He's made two all star teams, and the only thing he's the best at compared to the others is scoring. He's easily dead last at the other end of the court, he can't rebound, and it's not like he's sustained being an excellent scorer, it's literally only been one season.
Dennis Johnson was an all star with Boston, won multiple championships, made 6 consecutive defensive first teams, and more importantly was just a better team player in general. KC Jones wasn't much of a scorer but was one of the best defenders of his era. He was an excellent "pure point guard" and was great at running the offense for those Celtics teams. He won 8 championships with Boston. Cousy won 6 rings with Boston, was a 13 time all star, one of the 50 greatest players, led the league in assists 8 times, led the league in playoff scoring 3 times, playoff assists 8 times, made the All-NBA first team 10 times, 2nd team twice, won the league MVP and finished in the top 5 four separate times, 8 seasons he was top 10 in scoring, 6 seasons in the top 10 for PER.
I'm sorry but Thomas's career doesn't come remotely close to even touching Cousy's, much less just the 2 seasons he's had in Boston. He hasn't been a part of the team long enough to even deserve consideration.
Not to mention if we factor in team fit at all Thomas would be the worst of them all. In a head to head matchup against every other franchises best point guard ever he's going to be a completely liability at the defensive end. At the offensive end he's a pure scorer, which is just more possessions that guys like Bird, McHale, etc aren't touching the ball as much as they should.
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The general argument here is that it's only been one season. In most cases these teams are going to be picked for players that have meant the most to their franchise, not the players who would have the highest overall if you just listed every player that's ever played a minute for that franchise.
If Durant sticks around, stays healthy, all that good stuff, and gets a good 3-4 years under him for GS then he will easily make the team.
I could see certain exceptions. Like if Golden State was one of the newer teams like Minnesota or Toronto and didn't have years and years worth of history. Or of their small forward spot was such a poor selection of talent that you couldn't make an argument for anyone but KD.. but neither of those are the case. GS has been around forever, and Rick Barry, Chris Mullin are both two of the best small forwards to play the game.
I think you'd also have a strong argument if the franchise had been struggling for years and the addition of KD brought them the success they hadn't seen in a decade or something.. but obviously that wasn't the case either.
I think it's a little premature, though I'm sure criteria varies from person to person.
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He helped them win a Championship and was the Finals MVP. At the very least he can fill out their all-time bench if he's not worthy of a starting spot.

So did Andre Iguodala lol.
I still think it's premature. I know there will be people who disagree with that but I strongly feel there should be a minimum number of games or seasons you have to play with a franchise to be able to qualify for their All-Time team. Just like most statistical categories require a certain number of games played or minutes played, or with percentages a certain number of attempts. Embiid missed rookie of the year this season because he didn't play enough games, etc..
Like I said it would be different had the team been in a 15 year slump and all the sudden this KD guy comes along and brings them instant success and a championship. But they were already the best team in the league 2 years running, would have been a 3rd year whether he hopped on board or not.
One season, a season where he only played 60 games at that, just doesn't give him qualification yet in my book. Look at it this way, if he were to be traded, or have a season ending injury or something, when you look back 20 years from now to make the All-Time Warriors squad you aren't going to throw in some guy who had one really good year with them and that's all. So I don't feel the need to add him just because that championship is still fresh.
That's just my opinion though. I'm just glad these rosters are fully editable. I've typically done an All-Time roster every year since 2k10 or so and my general requirement is 4 seasons (though there are exceptions). I'm glad that this game will give me a great base to start with and we can all add our own twists where we see them fit!
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at no point in paul pierces career should he have been a 9 overall

Man, Paul should be 90 and max out at like 92. Thats as far as I let him go. Some of yall act like he should an 84 instead lmao Paul had some crazy good seasons. Came in and immediately made an impact. Had heasons where he was averaging 25-27ppg, 5-7 rpg and like 4-5 apg. Hit big shots, always played good D but didn't get recognition for it or become a really good defender till late 2000s and was pretty consistent. Lay off the truth.

People seriously think Durant should be on the All-Time Warriors team??? Over Sprewell even? That's just insane. Knowing 2k though, Durant will be in.

Definitely and longevity should count for something. Some players are just legends for staying with a team for a long time, thus being remembered as a player on that team, and being very good with maybe 1 All-Star appearance while others played for the franchise only a couple of years and happen to make a big impact for a short while and even an All-Star once or more.
For example, Barkley should not be on the All-Time Rockets team. Not because of him necessarily, there's just many great ones ahead of him who were Rockets for a long time and remembered as such as opposed to his one great year in 97 and then falling off gradually for the next 3. He's a Suns legend, not a Rockets one. On the other hand, a guy like Otis Thorpe should make it. He was a champion, will always be remembered as a Rocket and was there for 5-6 years during his peak.

Thomas career:
23 pts per 36 minutes
21.0 PER (59 TS% on 27 USG%)
One season???

Dennis Johnson was a 1x All-Star with Boston. Yeah, he made All-Defensive teams, but it's not like we consider Patrick Beverley an All-Time Rocket. His biggest claim to fame was that he played with Larry Bird. He wasn't the man responsible for leading his team to 50-60 wins. He was the #5 guy.

In the 1950s, in a 10-team league, so I mean, who cares. It's not like you're gonna carry the torch for Ed Macauley.

Bob Cousy couldn't even dribble with his left hand. There's a big difference between 2017 and 1951. Cousy might be one of the NBA's pioneers but he's far from an all-time great.

The vast majority of point guards are total liabilities at the defensive end. The all-time great defensive point guards are still only 2-3 wins above replacement level.

Thomas didn't play with those guys so his fit next to them is largely irrelevant. If Allen Iverson's best seasons came in a Boston uniform, would you be making the same arguments?

Charles Barkley shouldn't be on the All-Time Rockets team because he didn't perform at an elite level with the team. Correlating PRIME Kevin Durant to broken Charles Barkley makes no sense whatsoever.

Sprewell, while one of my favorite players in the 90s, was an overrated bum.

LMFAO
Durant is literally a top 3 SF ever

lebron
bird
elgin baylor
julius erving
scottie pippen
scott barry
dominique wilkins
probably missed a few.
heck even now he is pretty much interchangeable with lebron and leonard....
Top 3 scoring SF maybe

He did his first year and made the All-Star team, he carried the Rockets past the Sonics for the first time. Durant may have done more in 1 year compared to Barkley in 96-97, but the argument stands.

No he wasn't, you don't make 3 All-Star teams in your first 5 years if you're overrated. He is definitely an All-Time Warrior and it's not even worth arguing over when talking about Durant or Sprewell.

What about Grant Hill? his prime was brief but he was still an all around top talent during his best years.

same as with mcgrady.
if not for injuries one could imagine where they would rank.
personally id take prime mcgrady over durant in a heartbeat.

Pippen certainly had the better career, but as someone that watched him go head to head with grant hill for 5-6 years, Scottie pippen could not guard grant hill.

I think for many people, Grant Hill didn't have enough of those "best years" to put him on the super short small forward list. Some also bring up how he never took Detroit anywhere in the playoffs. In his defense, it's not like he had a lot of talent to work with on his teams. He'll end up getting voted into the hall still.
But then it's all fairly subjective, and up to you to decide where to rank someone. If you feel he belongs on the short list of small forwards, you could make a case for it.

I didn't say he wasn't?
You completely missed the point of my argument
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No I wouldn't. Because Allen Iverson during his best years led the league in scoring 4 times, made 11 all star teams, carried a team to the finals, made several all-NBA teams, led the league in steals several times, etc.
When Thomas has that kind of body of work then I'm not going to have any sort of argument against him. As of right now, he has one season where he's even been an All-NBA level guy.
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Durant shouldn't make the All time Warriors until at least NBA 2K20 imo, and he needs to keep on doing big things to help the Warriors win championships or at least come close to the Finals round.

Being the best player on a championship team should automatically qualify you. I dont care if you wore the uniform for 2 weeks.

I don't care how good you are some times you gotta let some time go by when it comes to ALL Time teams. Don't matter to me cause ill just take him off and make the all time team accurate if 2k foolishly puts him on it. At this point he's an All time Thunder and nothing more.

Dudes are crazy. It's called "All time" which considering this league wasn't created yesterday, automatically mean some time needs to be put in. They acting like Durant went to a **** team and turned it around. If he didn't average 50, 15, and 10 or something one year doesn't cut it no matter if they won a chip which probably could have done without him or not. Idk where this narrative that he's more than a Thunder all-time player comes from.

And if he had TWO of those seasons in a Boston uniform you wouldn't put him on the list?

He's a two-time all-star and has been at that level for 4 years.
Which is a better body of work than 99% of the PGs in Boston's history.

Scottie "Robin" Pippen
Dominique "Second Round" Wilkins
Rick "ABA" Barry
Elgin ****ing Baylor
i'm done LMAO
Might as well have listed Melo and Bernard King TBQH SMH
Durant is 28 and already ahead of Pippen on the all-time scoring list. Like seriously why am I bothering right now, heads are neck deep in that sandbox.

All Time Scoring list is surely not the end all of things. I'd rather have Prime Pippen on my team over Durant any day of the week.

DurantFan might disagree.

I'm sure you have an objective view on all the non-scoring things Durant brings to the table.
This ain't Pippen vs Nique. Durant is essentially a 6'10" combo of both.

question: if Reggie Lewis is still in myteam, can you ask 2k to put him on alltime celtics instead of ray allen or another guy that we already have on other teams?

I think it would be better if 2k added a classic players pool that they could use to put the My Team and whatever other additions from the past. Then from there we can choose to swap them over to one of the classic teams, all time teams or current teams to use.
I mean it be much more respectable than just throwing them in the same category as the Free agents or replacing this or that guy who they already made deals with.

I wasn't a big fan of Reggie Lewis making the all time Celtics originally, but given that the players I had over him didn't make the cut I would love to see him added now. He definitely belongs over Ray Allen, Isaiah Thomas, and Antoine Walker.
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Walker deserves to be there too... he played really good in 7 seasons ther Allen and Thomas are rhe ones that I think could be out

The Durant disrespect is so real lol. Yeah, as a Warriors fan, I would prefer someone with more tenure over him. But man. Pretending he's not even a top 10 or 5 SF ever is so silly. Petty.

I definitely think he's one of the greatest small forwards to ever play. I'm not sure what exact number he is but he's easily a top 10 SF. I still don't think he makes the GS squad as of right now. But yeah you can't pretend like he's not an all time great small forward.
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