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NBA 2K19 Screenshot - LeBron James (Overall Rating - 98)

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NBA 2K19 Screenshot - LeBron James (Overall Rating - 98)

2K has released a new NBA 2K19 screenshot, featuring LeBron James in his new Los Angeles Lakers uniform. He has an overall 98 rating. Let us know what you think.

LeBron is the NBA 2K19 20th Anniversary Edition cover athlete releasing on September 7, while Giannis Antetokounmpo is cover athlete for the NBA 2K19 Standard Edition, releasing on September 11.

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  1. Surprised he’s a 98. Wow. Defense has to be hyped up to get that rating.
    Wish the screenshot wasn’t so close so we could see the whole model. I want to see some side to side comparisons.
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    FerdBrown
    So it has started... I can’t tell. Best to have side by side with 2K18 to compare.

    Something still preventing it from looking realistic. Don’t know what but for a video game looks good
    Don Jon
    Something still preventing it from looking realistic. Don’t know what but for a video game looks good

    Ok. Then 2K probably needs to tweak a little and add deltoid to James’s 2K19. LeBron is muscular.
    Looks off to me. Not sure exactly what, but its off. Hate they way 2k has gone with skin-tones. But no fear, PC modders always fix it for me.
    Not a fan of this picture. Have to see more of it to really get a good idea of how I feel overall, but he looks unrealistically skinny with very little muscular tone.
    Don Jon
    Something still preventing it from looking realistic. Don’t know what but for a video game looks good

    seems like too much light reflection off of skin
    Unfortunately, having seen 2k18 for the entire year, this basically looks like a 2k18 touch up. Quite lackluster. Ran a quick google search for NBA2k14's Lebron James and that actually is closer to reality.
    Disappointed.
    Don Jon
    Something still preventing it from looking realistic. Don’t know what but for a video game looks good

    NBA 2k14 - Lebron James - "Photorealistic"
    NBA 2k19 - Lebron James - "?? "
    mlp111
    Looks off to me. Not sure exactly what, but its off. Hate they way 2k has gone with skin-tones. But no fear, PC modders always fix it for me.

    Can you please post a PC mod that has actually made massive improvement to the players skin tone? From all the youtube videos I have seen of PC mods, all the modders skin tone simply has a halo glow to them, which actually made the players models look worst.
    VAWereWolf65
    The dudes 6’8” 260 pounds lol. This isn’t Nicolas Batum we’re talking about. Lebron is a big person.
    Yea. But he's also not Corey Maggette.
    LeBron isnt a body builder. He isn't a football player. He's a basketball player.
    If you go watch any videos of him working out, he really isn't a buff dude. He is solid as **** though. Lol
    Point is, he looks pretty good body-wise in the pic.
    Def not as impressive as the Greek Freak screenshot, my only thing is why is Lebrons Skin so dark seems like last year and this year they darkened his skin overall or maybe its the lighting idk.
    I dig it, but...
    strawberryshortcake

    NBA 2k14 - Lebron James - "Photorealistic"
    ...there's something less cartoony about the '14 graphics. I liked where they were going with that look.
    Screenshots are cool, but I'm looking forward to some vids.
    BezO
    I dig it, but......there's something less cartoony about the '14 graphics. I liked where they were going with that look.
    Screenshots are cool, but I'm looking forward to some vids.

    Let's put it this way. 2k18, 2k19 reminds of me the players having a "wax" effect.
    Carrie Underwood - real vs wax figure.
    The 24th Letter
    Outside of being "brighter", that '14 pic doesnt really match up well with the more recent pics at all in my eyes...I find the latter to look more realistic...
    I'll wait and see how this looks on my TV though...
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    It's the skin tone and lighting that makes 2k14 superior to 2k18/2k19. The uncanny valley effect. It's not simply because it's "2k14." It's simply because it has the correct color palette and how the lighting strikes it.
    If you're up for it, the true test is to show both 2k14's Lebron vs 2k19 Lebron to someone who has does not care about video games. 2k18/2k19 has a more cartoony/waxy appearance. I can probably guarantee that the the larger majority will say 2k14 simply looks more realistic. One would have to do a double or triple take.
    Just for heck of it, my favorite youtube artist or simply artist overall. Look at the skin tone. Skin tone and lighting makes a difference.
    VAWereWolf65
    The dudes 6’8” 260 pounds lol. This isn’t Nicolas Batum we’re talking about. Lebron is a big person.

    Lebron is lean 260 like dude said he’s not overly buff
    strawberryshortcake
    Let's put it this way. 2k18, 2k19 reminds of me the players having a "wax" effect.
    Carrie Underwood - real vs wax figure.
    It's the skin tone and lighting that makes 2k14 superior to 2k18/2k19. The uncanny valley effect. It's not simply because it's "2k14." It's simply because it has the correct color palette and how the lighting strikes it.
    If you're up for it, the true test is to show both 2k14's Lebron vs 2k19 Lebron to someone who has does not care about video games. 2k18/2k19 has a more cartoony/waxy appearance. I can probably guarantee that the the larger majority will say 2k14 simply looks more realistic. One would have to do a double or triple take.
    Just for heck of it, my favorite youtube artist or simply artist overall. Look at the skin tone. Skin tone and lighting makes a difference.
    I think many would immediately notice that '14 doesnt capture LeBrons actual skin tone for beginners, hes a darker skinned individual...I'd be interested to see if you can find an in game photo of Lebron where his skin appears as light as it appears in that picture, or even artist render you posted....
    That's just my opinion though ...I'm not as high on 2K14s take. Where I do think they excelled, is capturing his individual expressions. I'm still unsure if why they disappeared in later games.
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    TMagic
    LeBron really ain't as buff as y'all want him to be for some reason. Lol
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    Thank you I've seen LeBron up close an personal and he really isn't. Idk why people expect a Karl Malone size LeBron when CLEARLY he's not. . .
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    The 24th Letter
    I think many would immediately notice that '14 doesnt capture LeBrons actual skin tone for beginners, hes a darker skinned individual...I'd be interested to see if you can find an in game photo of Lebron where his skin appears as light as it appears in that picture, or even artist render you posted....
    That's just my opinion though ...I'm not as high on 2K14s take. Where I do think they excelled, is capturing his individual expressions. I'm still unsure if why they disappeared in later games.
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    It's not just Lebron's specific skin tone. Here's a darker version of Lebron. How the lighting hits the skin tone glistens in a more realistic manner.


    Note: I'm not saying everything was perfect in 2k14. Some of the courts colors, or color palette, were completely off like the Warriors Oracle arena. That was terrible.
    EDIT:
    What I'm trying to get at is that at this current stage, 2k's graphic isn't quite up to par yet.
    I was hoping at this point, I would be doing double, triple, and quadruple takes with 2k basketball like I would be with racing games. I don't play racing games.
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    He looks way too dark. Especially under the arena lights. Maybe the lighting doesn’t affect color, and they’re going by your average room lighting.
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    strawberryshortcake
    It's not just Lebron's specific skin tone. Here's a darker version of Lebron. How the lighting hits the skin tone glistens in a more realistic manner.


    Note: I'm not saying everything was perfect in 2k14. Some of the courts colors, or color palette, were completely off like the Warriors Oracle arena. That was terrible.
    EDIT:
    What I'm trying to get at is that at this current stage, 2k's graphic isn't quite up to par yet.
    I was hoping at this point, I would be doing double, triple, and quadruple takes with 2k basketball like I would be with racing games. I don't play racing games.
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    The 2K14 reveal trailer was rendered in engine though and you couldn't recreate that lightning in screenshots.
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    I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that I'd be kinda wowed by a big step forward 2k would do at least with faces. Pic looks the same as 18 imo just with beard and I didn't particularly think Bron looked like himself in 18. Not going to crazy one way or another over a pic but kinda disappointed
    wallofhate
    I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that I'd be kinda wowed by a big step forward 2k would do at least with faces. Pic looks the same as 18 imo just with beard and I didn't particularly think Bron looked like himself in 18. Not going to crazy one way or another over a pic but kinda disappointed

    If your expectations are beyond the LeBron we got in 2K18 I think you’re always gonna be disappointed. It was on point, in almost every way. By far the best representation of LeBron we’ve ever had in a video game.
    SteveQ
    In what world does Lebron look better in 2K14 over 2K19 or even 18?

    Player model generally looks much better in 14, especially from broadcast cam. The players actually had accurate proportions and better skin colors and textures. Lebron had slightly thicker legs and slightly fatter face in 14, but it looked more like him than 18. Look at lower half of Lebron’s body in 18. It’s laughable.
    I don’t have a screenshot on me, but look at Kyrie’s lower body, this issue is present for like 90% of players in 2k18, not to mention they have no butts. Upper bodies in 2k 9/10, lower bodies in 2k 2/10
    Just look at how much longer and more cut players were in 14, specifically their lower bodies. Kyrie’s lower body in 18 looks like a glitch, like it was copy pasted from a 12 year old boy. They actually looked like nba basketball players in 14. The big feet have been fixed, but apart from that the player models(generally speaking)were so much better in 14. KD is one of the few decent player models in 18.
    SteveQ
    In what world does Lebron look better in 2K14 over 2K19 or even 18?

    It's all personal preference and we go through the same exact song and dance every year at this point in the cycle.
    Some people will go to their grave thinking older gen games "looked better" when it's all subjective.
    In my opinion, LeBron has looked exactly the same in 2k for the past decade. He looks great. He looks like LeBron and even a non-basketball fan could look at that image and say "That's LeBron James".
    That Kobe/Nash screen looks awesome up there. Washed out a bit, but more "crisp".
    I'm not a fan of this Lebron pic. Better than last years, but PC modding has spoiled me. The Lebron I've been using the past month is insanely detailed. You miss those things going back to console.
    Regardless, preordered for PC and X1. Looking forward to the info coming.
    WTF
    That Kobe/Nash screen looks awesome up there. Washed out a bit, but more "crisp".
    I'm not a fan of this Lebron pic. Better than last years, but PC modding has spoiled me. The Lebron I've been using the past month is insanely detailed. You miss those things going back to console.
    Regardless, preordered for PC and X1. Looking forward to the info coming.

    I agree about it looking more washed out, but just proportions and textures/colors looked great.
    I’ve started to get more into the pc modded stuff, and the lighting/faces/textures look way better, but the proportions are still way off on the lower bodies. I don’t think there’s much the modding community can really do, given how the default player models are rendered.
    But you see the difference in their lower bodies from those 2 screens? Look at how cartoony dragic looks in the background. I’m going to post a thread dedicated to what’s wrong with 18 models.
    The player models take the immersion away from me completely. I play on broadcast, and I am ok with the textures and lighting for the most part, but the lower bodies just totally ruin the visuals for me. Especially in motion.
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    iLLWiLL
    It seriously looks like he lost 25 lbs ... of muscle. His biceps have atrophied???

    Where are y'all getting this from man?

    Is LeBron big? Yes. Is he strong? Yes. But he's functionally strong and he's super lean.
    But by no means does he have the physique of an Avenger. Y'all talk like you want them to have Lebron looking like Terry Crews out there man.
    TMagic
    Where are y'all getting this from man?

    Is LeBron big? Yes. Is he strong? Yes. But he's functionally strong and he's super lean.
    But by no means does he have the physique of an Avenger. Y'all talk like you want them to have Lebron looking like Terry Crews out there man.

    I don't know, it looks like he's got KD's arms in that pic. I get it he's lean, but his arm look really really thin in that screenshot. Body models have been kind of a mess the last couple of years.
    Agree with TMagic here. If this was Miami Bron then I’d have an issue because he was much bigger then, even as recent as 2015 I’d say he was bigger but for the Bron of the last few years, he’s definitely leaner.
    As for that Nash and Kobe shot, are we really praising proportions here? Kobe’s head is tiny and look at the size of his arm with the sleeve. It’s terrible lmao.
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    Lighting looks the same to me.....it just has an updated sweat effect. Dark stadium background while the player is in focus shot. Pretty much a 2k shot we've been getting for years.
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    MoneyOvaHuds
    Lebron is lean 260 like dude said he’s not overly buff
    I've seen him in person at Wally Waffles in Akron and he's not a buffed dude.
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    Goffs
    Lighting looks the same to me.....it just has an updated sweat effect. Dark stadium background while the player is in focus shot. Pretty much a 2k shot we've been getting for years.
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    I agree it seems the same to me too, the sweet effects look great and that makes light reflect off the players but I wanna see how it looks when a player isn't sweating because last years players had a clay like look when the players weren't sweating.
    mlp111
    Looks off to me. Not sure exactly what, but its off. Hate they way 2k has gone with skin-tones. But no fear, PC modders always fix it for me.

    The model is great. People should just stop complain about everything. This guy can't even tell what is wrong with the model. What a joke.
    VAWereWolf65
    Not a fan of this picture. Have to see more of it to really get a good idea of how I feel overall, but he looks unrealistically skinny with very little muscular tone.

    And you will end up buying the game anyway...
    Complaining for the sake of complaining...
    alecast
    The model is great. People should just stop complain about everything. This guy can't even tell what is wrong with the model. What a joke.

    No one is saying he should look like the Hulk. But there should be some separation between his shoulders and biceps, for example, and while he shouldn't have veins popping out, his muscles should have a little bit of definition.
    Yea it’s really crazy why 2k doesn’t put more muscle on the high profile players at least , I think most of us would be satisfied with that in hopes of expanding down the road.
    think y'all are crazy saying this doesn't look like LeBron idk what y'all looking at.He does look a bit skinny tho.Nba 2k14 lighting was the best and was the high point graphicly but I swear this forum has hurt 2k alot more than it's helped it.Back in the day it was cool you could come here and talk to the devs about something missing in the game and sometimes they would add it was dope now it's turned into people just complaing about stuff then when they try to put it in the game to appease this board you guys don't like it.when 2k14 came out everyone said the lighting was over the top and players were too "shiny" poof there gone..are best lighting removed.2k17 players shorts are to big..18 they make them smaller..now you guys say they have kid legs,2k14 body's are too bulky..15 everyone is stick figures.i got plenty more like that I can name.this board has to see it's going down a bad path.we need to let them give us the game they want and step back a few notches.
    You absolutely could get those types of screen shots. These are taken in-game. Look at how well proportioned the bodies are. I have no major issues with the 19 Lebron screen, but I know lower body will be the same as 18, which was terrible.
    ForeverVersatile
    The 2K14 reveal trailer was rendered in engine though and you couldn't recreate that lightning in screenshots.
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    sva91

    Just look at how much longer and more cut players were in 14, specifically their lower bodies. Kyrie’s lower body in 18 looks like a glitch, like it was copy pasted from a 12 year old boy. They actually looked like nba basketball players in 14. The big feet have been fixed, but apart from that the player models(generally speaking)were so much better in 14. KD is one of the few decent player models in 18.

    LOl, how we soon forget that in previous 2k there were like 4 body types, now you have people trying to say it was better back then.
    coolcras7
    LOl, how we soon forget that in previous 2k there were like 4 body types, now you have people trying to say it was better back then.

    Those 4 body types were much more accurate than the variety we have now. How can you tell me this looks like a 6’11 basketball player? His torso and legs are almost the same length in 2k. His legs should be at least a foot longer. How do y’all not see this? Just compare these pics...
    WTF
    Just a few more. The bodyshape edits, the textures, etc. Just can't touch it.




    WOW!! that Lebron looks amazing.:shocked: Do you mind sharing that Cf??:y11::y11:
    sva91

    Those 4 body types were much more accurate than the variety we have now. How can you tell me this looks like a 6’11 basketball player? His torso and legs are almost the same length in 2k. His legs should be at least a foot longer. How do y’all not see this? Just compare these pics...

    You are delusional if you actually believe that, and the example you posted proves my case, Anthony Davis has long legs, and a shorter torso, in previous 2k everyone legs and torso were the same portions
    coolcras7
    You are delusional if you actually believe that, and the example you posted proves my case, Anthony Davis has long legs, and a shorter torso, in previous 2k everyone legs and torso were the same portions

    If you don’t notice how bad the new player models are, I don’t know what to tell you. I think a lot of ppl are victim of the 2k hype train every year and understate how the 14 models looked. You’re gonna tell me 18 is a huge improvement over 14? 14 still looks better.
    I’m happy for LeBron. Happy for the NBA, the ratings have no ceiling mainly because of this guy. And 98 sounds about right after what he did to Indiana, Toronto, Boston... single handedly (no disrespect to Kevin Love). I’m still not a laker fan “per se”, but I’ll say this, I’ll go where Melo goes.
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    23
    18 definitely suffers from short leg itis
    I HATE IT and it absolutely bothers me that the art team doesn't hate it.

    And they gave every player those extremely narrow hips to make legs appear longer. Some people can’t see these things until they’re fixed, and you see a side by side. Very frustrating ]
    Got me as to why this is a continual problem. Im glad they got away from the tree trunk calves and anorexic body types of 2K17 but come on man.
    sva91

    Just look at how much longer and more cut players were in 14, specifically their lower bodies. Kyrie’s lower body in 18 looks like a glitch, like it was copy pasted from a 12 year old boy. They actually looked like nba basketball players in 14. The big feet have been fixed, but apart from that the player models(generally speaking)were so much better in 14. KD is one of the few decent player models in 18.
    Players don't wear their unis that big anymore.
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    sva91
    You absolutely could get those types of screen shots. These are taken in-game. Look at how well proportioned the bodies are. I have no major issues with the 19 Lebron screen, but I know lower body will be the same as 18, which was terrible.

    It’s disturbing how realistic Kobe looks in that 1st screen shot.
    Loos like a real life picture of him. Look like the man for real
    If you play the game you don't realise these differences!
    The more important thing is not graphics or some reflections or colours, rather Gameplay!
    I don't wanna see people walking through players like they are ghost! I don't wanna see pure sharps hitting contested 3S from halfcourt! Fouls without touching the opponent, especially when you try to block or steal.
    GAMEPLAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GRAPHICS
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    Bulletproof86
    If you play the game you don't realise these differences!
    The more important thing is not graphics or some reflections or colours, rather Gameplay!
    I don't wanna see people walking through players like they are ghost! I don't wanna see pure sharps hitting contested 3S from halfcourt! Fouls without touching the opponent, especially when you try to block or steal.
    GAMEPLAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GRAPHICS
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    Bulletproof86
    You don't have to change it because your eyes don't see the difference! These are only minor lil improvements that nobody will notice! You only notice it when you pause the game or make some Screenshots.
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    On a serious note. What do you want the graphics department to do?
    There are animators, graphic artist, gameplay and artificial intelligence programmers, etc. Do you want them to take the next cycle off? Do you want the graphical artist to clock in, sit in the break room, watch netflix, each their lunch, watch the clock wind down, clock out and head home?
    strawberryshortcake
    On a serious note. What do you want the graphics department to do?
    There are animators, graphic artist, gameplay and artificial intelligence programmers, etc. Do you want them to take the next cycle off? Do you want the graphical artist to clock in, sit in the break room, watch netflix, each their lunch, watch the clock wind down, clock out and head home?
    Maybe 2 year interval, they have more time to do it better and don't force it!
    Of course they are also important for the whole game but 2k need to focus on their weaknesses and in 2k18 it was the Gameplay no matter what you think about it. Their atmosphere and presentation are the best in sports video games. So that's not really their building site!
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    Bulletproof86
    Maybe 2 year interval, they have more time to do it better and don't force it!
    Of course they are also important for the whole game but 2k need to focus on their weaknesses and in 2k18 it was the Gameplay no matter what you think about it. Their atmosphere and presentation are the best in sports video games. So that's not really their building site!
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    That still doesn't answer the question. What do you want the gameplay staff members to do? Go find something else to do for 2019 because we're not going to pay you this year. But do come back in 2020; we'll see you in two years if you decide to come back to 2ksports.
    Or do you want them to completely omit ANY graphical changes and just wait for the 2nd year to implement them.
    Secondly, this is a thread about graphics, not gameplay. I stopped playing 2k18 because I hated the defense. I'm not going to be buying another 2k basketball product until they fix the defense. The running animations are terrible. The transition defense is terrible. Leaving Durant, Klay, and Curry completely wide open in the corner for the 3 point shot is a terrible strategy. The pick and roll defense is poor. Baseline defense is poor, etc.
    Of course gameplay is important, but this thread is about the graphics.
    One of the following player graphical representation is not like the other.
    strawberryshortcake
    That still doesn't answer the question. What do you want the gameplay staff members to do? Go find something else to do for 2019 because we're not going to pay you this year. But do come back in 2020; we'll see you in two years if you decide to come back to 2ksports.
    Or do you want them to completely omit ANY graphical changes and just wait for the 2nd year to implement them.
    Secondly, this is a thread about graphics, not gameplay. I stopped playing 2k18 because I hated the defense. I'm not going to be buying another 2k basketball product until they fix the defense. The running animations are terrible. The transition defense is terrible. Leaving Durant, Klay, and Curry completely wide open in the corner for the 3 point shot is a terrible strategy. The pick and roll defense is poor. Baseline defense is poor, etc.
    Of course gameplay is important, but this thread is about the graphics.
    One of the following player graphical representation is not like the other.
    I'm with you! That's exactly what I'm complaining about!
    You mentioned it!
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    no offense to the guy who says "graphics is not important" but you sir is trippin. its like me saying nobody cares about MyCareer. which i really dont.
    now for that PC mode. wooowwww. 2k really needs to find a way to open that 2k share for all consoles. if they still cannot update this players then they should just give us the function to fix them.
    regarding this 2k19 with all honesty it felt like 2k18 just my opinion.
    mfdoom911e
    no offense to the guy who says "graphics is not important" but you sir is trippin. its like me saying nobody cares about MyCareer. which i really dont.
    now for that PC mode. wooowwww. 2k really needs to find a way to open that 2k share for all consoles. if they still cannot update this players then they should just give us the function to fix them.
    regarding this 2k19 with all honesty it felt like 2k18 just my opinion.

    Ok. In a single image (strictly) of LeBron’s 98 overall, perhaps I’d say - still 2K18. But who knows. 2K might drop a few more pics and I’ll change my opinion.
    There has to be something of value there for the $99.99 USD we throw at the cash register. There has to be value for 2K19 aside from updated rosters. I don’t mean a 3-hour push to throat cutscenes, either. A 3-hour telenovela is not the reason why I buy this.
    I hope they fix the giant head problem for 2k19.....having huge heads makes the bigs look stout. Out of all the bigs on 2k18 Alex Len was the only player that looked tall and lanky to me and it's because of his head size.
    Goffs
    I hope they fix the giant head problem for 2k19.....having huge heads makes the bigs look stout. Out of all the bigs on 2k18 Alex Len was the only player that looked tall and lanky to me and it's because of his head size.
    Also, don't forget the fat, stubby looking Dante Exum, Michael Carter - Williams and T - Rex arms of Paul George.
    Overall, they just need to do a better job of accurately portraying these athletes without seriously ****ing anyone up (for the third year in a row).
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    Yawn another year of the same old same ol... he looks good, he doesn't look good...and of course when the game comes out, this and that is broken. Smh . Personally between 2k14 and 18 i think i have enough basketball to keep me full. No reason i see to purchase this at all. It's going to have to be truly ground breaking. And i doubt that's happening in one year. Another VC ridden gimmick year imo.
    Year after year we continue to worry about the wrong things....Lol. This one of the main reasons why 2k is out here patching and editing player tongues and such rather than focusing on actual gameplay.
    FerdBrown
    Ok. In a single image (strictly) of LeBron’s 98 overall, perhaps I’d say - still 2K18. But who knows. 2K might drop a few more pics and I’ll change my opinion.
    There has to be something of value there for the $99.99 USD we throw at the cash register. There has to be value for 2K19 aside from updated rosters. I don’t mean a 3-hour push to throat cutscenes, either. A 3-hour telenovela is not the reason why I buy this.

    you pay 100 dollars for a game?? i bought mine 40 dollars and i enjoyed it. strictly My league offline, Simnation what up!! realistic gameplay...thats why Graphics has to be on point.
    StormsWarning
    Yawn another year of the same old same ol... he looks good, he doesn't look good...and of course when the game comes out, this and that is broken. Smh . Personally between 2k14 and 18 i think i have enough basketball to keep me full. No reason i see to purchase this at all. It's going to have to be truly ground breaking. And i doubt that's happening in one year. Another VC ridden gimmick year imo.

    :y11::y11::y11: you saw 1 image and this is what you gotta say?? did i miss something in the OP?? VC?? enjoy life stranger..nobody forcing you to buy this game. PEACE
    Korrupted
    Year after year we continue to worry about the wrong things....Lol. This one of the main reasons why 2k is out here patching and editing player tongues and such rather than focusing on actual gameplay.

    There are plenty of threads about gameplay in 2k18. But so far, this is the only thing for 2k19 that's been released. We have no gameplay or gameplay-related news, so there's nothing to discuss at this point.
    And it is possible to suggest improvements to multiple aspects of the game. To say that voicing issues about player models is worrying about the "wrong thing" is ridiculous. I can think Lebron doesn't look right in the screenshot and still say that I'm not happy with aspects of the gameplay and AI.
    But again, this entire thread is about the single screenshot that has been released to this point. Talking about gameplay here is off-topic.
    I said last year that the 2k18 player model was the best and most accurate LeBron player model ever in a video game. I think that title now belongs to the 2k19 LeBron player model. I'm hoping that since LeBron is the cover athlete of the Legend Edition, that we can finally get some variation in the player models for the other LeBron's in the game. Such as the 2007 Cavaliers LeBron player model and the 2013 Heat LeBron player model. Since 2K16, they have just used whatever the current year's LeBron player model is for the 2013 Heat LeBron player model. Now, they could kind of get away with that the past couple of years due to LeBron's appearance being not so different than it was during the 2013 season, but with this 2k19 current Lakers player model, it wouldn't work just putting a headband on him and using that for the 2013 Heat player model. Current Lakers LABron looks very different from how he looked in 2013. Most obviously, is the much fuller beard (bordering on Harden territory). Hopefully they will use a new player model for the 2013 Heat LeBron, make it more true to his appearance during the 2013 season, much more trimmed down beard, or stubble and no shoulder blades tattoos. Also, I've mentioned it before, but I have been hoping for the inclusion of the 2009 Cavaliers, so we could get MVP prime LeBron and was thinking that even if we don't get that team, it would be a good opportunity to put the 2009 Cavaliers LeBron on the All Time Cavaliers team instead of once again just the current Lakers LeBron player model.
    mfdoom911e
    :y11::y11::y11: you saw 1 image and this is what you gotta say?? did i miss something in the OP?? VC?? enjoy life stranger..nobody forcing you to buy this game. PEACE

    You got that right...nobody is forcing me and just to clarify for you.. I've bought ever copy of 2k since 2k1 for me so I think at this point I'm very well to appoint my opinion. Being that the vc push was very strong in 2k18. I'm an offline player so it doesn't affect me paying for it. But those that do have a right to be frustrated because of the horrific online play I have seen and heard about.
    So before you try coming in chin checking Someone else's (Opinion) or attacking someone else's (Opinion) you might wanna check yours first.
    And now I'm done. Good day.
    I know my eye for graphical detail isnt as sharp as others, but after grabbing my PS4 Pro and 4KTV last year, really maxing out my experience....I dont think I'll ever understand the idea that NBA 2K18 was some bad looking game...it was honestly one of the more impressive looking games I played last year, not just sports games, period.
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    Goffs
    Check out mr fancypants over here lol jk
    I'm currently researching for a 4kTV at the moment. Need to be certain on what brand I want before I commit to one....
    Had to spoil myself one time man, I saw 2k being played on one and was like dayum, lol..
    but yeah, I'd check the TV thread here on OS...a lot of sound advice in there...
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    This will be my first 2K purchase since 2011, so I gotta say, damn I am blown away.
    Question, can my PC run this game well enough?
    500W
    MSI 760GMA-P34(FX)
    AMD FX-8320 3.5 GHz
    8 GB DDR3 1600
    AMD Radeon R7 370 4 GB
    mfdoom911e
    you pay 100 dollars for a game?? i bought mine 40 dollars and i enjoyed it. strictly My league offline, Simnation what up!! realistic gameplay...thats why Graphics has to be on point.

    How...?! Where did you buy yours? Or perhaps you wait until December or February?
    The 24th Letter
    I know my eye for graphical detail isnt as sharp as others, but after grabbing my PS4 Pro and 4KTV last year, really maxing out my experience....I dont think I'll ever understand the idea that NBA 2K18 was some bad looking game...it was honestly one of the more impressive looking games I played last year, not just sports games, period.
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    Co-sign. I had it on the Pro and X. It is even more detailed on the X.
    StormsWarning
    You got that right...nobody is forcing me and just to clarify for you.. I've bought ever copy of 2k since 2k1 for me so I think at this point I'm very well to appoint my opinion. Being that the vc push was very strong in 2k18. I'm an offline player so it doesn't affect me paying for it. But those that do have a right to be frustrated because of the horrific online play I have seen and heard about.
    So before you try coming in chin checking Someone else's (Opinion) or attacking someone else's (Opinion) you might wanna check yours first.
    And now I'm done. Good day.

    my opinion is pretty okay if i might say. did not offend anyone at all. and yes everyone is entitled to their opinion thats why i said nobody's forcing you...no harm, no foul, lets move along.
    " But those that do have a right to be frustrated because of the horrific online play I have seen and heard about. " so why you have to be frustrated?? i say let them be and just play offline like you say.iPlus offline this year was so gooooooddddddd...so whats exactly is the problem?? you dont have to reply here just think about it and lets move along. :smile::smile::smile:
    Thanks 2k and MLB The Show for being consistent with producing  great games each year. I know there are those who will gripe and complain regarding your games. Those trolls will never be satisfied no matter what you put out. Between these 2 games, with the exception of a good golf game, I'm completely satified.
    The 24th Letter
    Had to spoil myself one time man, I saw 2k being played on one and was like dayum, lol..
    but yeah, I'd check the TV thread here on OS...a lot of sound advice in there...
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    Is it really that big of a difference?
    Like I remember back in the day going from standard to HD for the first time and it definitely stood out. I'm just wondering if it's the same thing here.
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    saintrules
    This will be my first 2K purchase since 2011, so I gotta say, damn I am blown away.
    Question, can my PC run this game well enough?
    500W
    MSI 760GMA-P34(FX)
    AMD FX-8320 3.5 GHz
    8 GB DDR3 1600
    AMD Radeon R7 370 4 GB
    I'm sure you can but not with everything on ultra.
    You'll also need to not have anything else open when the game is on
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    TMagic
    Is it really that big of a difference?
    Like I remember back in the day going from standard to HD for the first time and it definitely stood out. I'm just wondering if it's the same thing here.
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    I was at Best Buy yesterday just checking out the OLED tv's and I would say it would make a big jump. I'm kinda indifferent since I game mostly on PC and I'm used to high res lol but man those OLEDS are beautiful. I wish they would hook up a PS4 Pro or Xbox x to show off how the games would look. I'm patient and I'm going to wait on a 4k TV.....maybe black Friday or Christmas.
    I have a 65' 2017 lg oled b7a and it is beautiful to play games on. Only gripe I have with my years model is the darkness of the hdr. Wish games played in the new dolby vision when xbox finally updates. The higher end 18 models are a lot brighter and have black frame insertion but are pricey as hell
    turty11
    you think if i bring my system to a bestbuy theyll let me run some 2k on them fancy $2000 tvs to see what it looks like?

    If you tell them that you're about to buy one they might. :lol:
    OMG...People are really criticising this pic! If a game is going to be judged on the minutiae  of the above criticisms then it must be a pretty awesome game!!!
    On a separate note, regarding TV’s. Most TV’s have numerous settings that can get the colour/contrast/lightness combinations just right that maybe initially look off out of the box. I personally have different TV settings for each game I own. 
    I feel like the more I look at the picture the more I like it. The look on LeBron's face and his side eye are classic LeBron. The jerseys look really good. Fit looks about right, the colors pop, and the stitching looks detailed.
    The biggest negative is the lighting. I'd like to think it's just 2K trying to mimick the lighting at Staples Center or even a moment during the game when the lighting is lower than usually but after years of dark stadiums I know better. Improved lighting alone could make a world of difference for details and skin tone. I'll do my annual wishful thinking of "maybe it'll all be improved for the final copy." We have seen it before where later screenshots look better than early one's but I won't hold my breath.
    And one more thing, 2K can you please stop with these close up, upper body shots? I don't think it does the game any benefits and it would be nice to see full player models.
    jeremym480
    If you tell them that you're about to buy one they might. :lol:

    they gonna see my broke *** roll in there and know damn well i cant afford more than a 50" 1080p
    For a better 2K18/2K19 comparison you guys should watch UniqueMazique’s video. For me those pics make it very clear that Lebron looks good in the upper body. Every complaint I’ve seen about the waist and legs are correct but going back to the 2K14 stuff from earlier, 2K18 and now 2K19 has the best Lebron from the waist up ever.
    Another thing the PC mods put in here are amazing.
    Graphics were apparently maxed out on these consoles around 2K15/16. Expecting some major graphical improvements at this point in this generation is highly unrealistic.
    I thought 18 was the best looking 2K in terms of overall graphics. I was pretty shocked at the improvement from 17. These are the graphics we're gonna get until next gen. Maybe minor improvements here and there but this is pretty much it.
    Hustle Westbrook
    Graphics were apparently maxed out on these consoles around 2K15/16. Expecting some major graphical improvements at this point in this generation is highly unrealistic.
    I thought 18 was the best looking 2K in terms of overall graphics. I was pretty shocked at the improvement from 17. These are the graphics we're gonna get until next gen. Maybe minor improvements here and there but this is pretty much it.

    I think they can push the graphics further if they had a longer cycle. Games like God of War and the Uncharted series pretty much proves that these consoles can produce some awesome graphics. It's just that the NBA and NFL pretty much dictates when the games should be released. Let them get 5 years to make an NBA2k game and man you can have a photorealistic looking game.
    Goffs
    I think they can push the graphics further if they had a longer cycle. Games like God of War and the Uncharted series pretty much proves that these consoles can produce some awesome graphics. It's just that the NBA and NFL pretty much dictates when the games should be released. Let them get 5 years to make an NBA2k game and man you can have a photorealistic looking game.

    I agree Goffs. Unfortunately with that small dev window there is no way this game can push graphics to another level. I know Live took a couple years off after NBA Elite to work on their game and managed to keep their NBA deal. I've been saying for years that 2k should take a year off to really flesh things out. Now that Live is a legitimate competitor again they might truly open themselves up to getting passed up if they give them a year alone on the market.
    I'd hate to be a programmer or artist working on these games because no matter how close and detailed you make the models you'll still get criticism and comparisons. I think we're at a point where they're close enough to their real life counterparts lets be honest.
    These devs are aiming for 60fps, tons of animations from the players to the crowd, ball and cloth physics and all other types of reflections and visual effects.
    There's only so much they can do and I think they're doing an exceptional job.
    Detroit Red
    I'd hate to be a programmer or artist working on these games because no matter how close and detailed you make the models you'll still get criticism and comparisons. I think we're at a point where they're close enough to their real life counterparts lets be honest.
    These devs are aiming for 60fps, tons of animations from the players to the crowd, ball and cloth physics and all other types of reflections and visual effects.
    There's only so much they can do and I think they're doing an exceptional job.
    Agree. I mean, I want the player models to be as close to perfect as possible. They should work every year (I think 2K does) to make the models better. Its pretty obvious were pushing the limit of what can be done this current gen graphically. Even if 2K used every bit of disk space for graphics there'd still be something off. While not perfect these models look amazing and they continue to refine them.
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    Goffs
    I think they can push the graphics further if they had a longer cycle. Games like God of War and the Uncharted series pretty much proves that these consoles can produce some awesome graphics. It's just that the NBA and NFL pretty much dictates when the games should be released. Let them get 5 years to make an NBA2k game and man you can have a photorealistic looking game.

    Even with Uncharted and God of War, I never thought the graphics were really that "great" when it comes to capturing the aesthetics of reality. It was either oversaturated or something, and everything still had that artificial cartoon quality. The only game that ever blew me away graphically (minus the faces) was Battlefront Star Wars. Maybe there was something else going on with the reveal trailer but that trailer could be mistaken for real life, and I never got that impression with either Uncharted or God of War. The faces are still not up to par, but I consider graphics to be "great" when I can mistake it for real life.
    Battlefront Star Wars Reveal Trailer
    Plus, is it about having a longer life cycle or simply understanding what combination of lighting, color palette, shadows and light shimmer is required to create photorealistic graphics? The crowd graphics in Pro Yakyuu Spirits looks much more photorealistic than MLB the Show's crowd.
    Pro Yakyuu Spirits - Crowd graphics PS3
    MLB the Show - Crowd graphics PS4
    If you look at MLB the Show, the batting helmet and some of their jersey color palette looks fairly realistic, but the faces are still completely artificial looking.
    MLB the Show
    I'm still waiting for a day when I need to do a double, triple quadruple take with 2k basketball. Haven't quite happened yet. It's easier to pick out which of the following screen shots isn't like the rest and that's why 2k19 isn't quite up to par yet.
    Lebron James vs 2k19

    Detroit Red
    I'd hate to be a programmer or artist working on these games because no matter how close and detailed you make the models you'll still get criticism and comparisons. I think we're at a point where they're close enough to their real life counterparts lets be honest.
    These devs are aiming for 60fps, tons of animations from the players to the crowd, ball and cloth physics and all other types of reflections and visual effects.
    There's only so much they can do and I think they're doing an exceptional job.

    Team pick combination screenshot. When I can immediately identify 2k created player graphics vs a real photograph, then I don't think we're quite there yet. Other factors may prevent them from achieving photorealism, but no, we're not there yet.
    So I thought nba 2k14 looked amazing than I thought while it still looked great looked worse from 2k15-17 and than 18 got better again looking more like 14. This I think looks a little better than last year. 2K has been like one of the better looking games this gen though and at this point in time I dont think we are going to see a big graphic jump un till ps5/xbox 2 or what ever its called.
    I'm still waiting for a day when I need to do a double, triple quadruple take with 2k basketball. Haven't quite happened yet. It's easier to pick out which of the following screen shots isn't like the rest and that's why 2k19 isn't quite up to par yet.
    Lebron James vs 2k19

    I agree, but I do think it's still a pretty great likeness to LeBron. Also I think in terms of skin tone, especially with those comparison pics of Bron in real life, that lighting in the arenas have a lot to do with it. LeBron isn't really light skinned but in certain arenas due to lighting his tone appears to change. If 2k could get there lighting arena accurate it would be a game changer in terms of mirroring a real NBA broadcast. They should look in house to the WWE 2k series, because their arena lighting is way ahead of where NBA2K is.
    LeBronistheKing
    I'm still waiting for a day when I need to do a double, triple quadruple take with 2k basketball. Haven't quite happened yet. It's easier to pick out which of the following screen shots isn't like the rest and that's why 2k19 isn't quite up to par yet.
    Lebron James vs 2k19

    I agree, but I do think it's still a pretty great likeness to LeBron. Also I think in terms of skin tone, especially with those comparison pics of Bron in real life, that lighting in the arenas have a lot to do with it. LeBron isn't really light skinned but in certain arenas due to lighting his tone appears to change. If 2k could get there lighting arena accurate it would be a game changer in terms of mirroring a real NBA broadcast. They should look in house to the WWE 2k series, because their arena lighting is way ahead of where NBA2K is.

    that two pics at the top really looks identical in terms of likeness, since both kinda have the same expression
    But the arena lighting discussion has been had hundreds of times and it’s the same discussion. Arena lighting varies from game to game. Look at the Q for an ESPN game, then a TNT game, then an FSO game and it’ll all be different.

    Oracle regular season in 2014 vs the finals in 2016. Different lighting.
    For me, the best lighting in terms of showcasing skin tones and stuff like that in 2K18 is Wells Fargo. That has completely different lighting from every other arena in the game.
    Goffs
    I was at Best Buy yesterday just checking out the OLED tv's and I would say it would make a big jump. I'm kinda indifferent since I game mostly on PC and I'm used to high res lol but man those OLEDS are beautiful. I wish they would hook up a PS4 Pro or Xbox x to show off how the games would look. I'm patient and I'm going to wait on a 4k TV.....maybe black Friday or Christmas.

    Get Oled or you may go for Sony X90 or XF90 those 90s series of Sony Led...
    4K + HDR superb!
    Sorry for off topic.
    Pfft.
    Modders still putting 2k's graphic artists to shame. lebron" />
    Don't get it confused, whoever is doing player models for the players are taking shortcuts, most likely outsourced. This has nothing to do with limitations of the consoles. Its from the lack of detail to textures, also, the modders aren't adding anything that isn't already hardcoded into the game, in most cases, they're importing current player models and moving around pixels here and there and using pictures as references. Where it seems like 2k just does a face scan, imports it as is and calls it a day.
    Don Jon
    Something still preventing it from looking realistic. Don’t know what but for a video game looks good

    It's the textures. The game looks really good from the broadcast angle. Almost like real life when ppl walk in and see it on the TV. But up close the textures just look really cartoonish.
    3304Life
    But the arena lighting discussion has been had hundreds of times and it’s the same discussion. Arena lighting varies from game to game. Look at the Q for an ESPN game, then a TNT game, then an FSO game and it’ll all be different.

    Oracle regular season in 2014 vs the finals in 2016. Different lighting.
    For me, the best lighting in terms of showcasing skin tones and stuff like that in 2K18 is Wells Fargo. That has completely different lighting from every other arena in the game.

    Is it actually the lighting or the quality of the cameras used to record the game?
    Can't really tell from this screenshot but I hope they've improved their accuracy of Staples Center this year especially given that there are two teams that use the facility. Last years wasn't updated at all and the other game did a better job of recreating it.
    3304Life
    These mods people are doing are killing their own authenticity with double sleeves on LeBron, something he’s never done.

    He wore double sleeves during the season.
    3304Life
    Then I stand corrected, but then it literally can have only happened once or twice.
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    2K has it set to where he wears one of his sleeves all the time and the other is occasionally there. So every once in awhile you'll play a game and he'll have on his double sleeves, which he's done very rarely over the past 4-5 years or so. There's also that occasional random game where he's not wearing one on either arm.
    My rating changes for LeBron James from NBA 2K18
    LeBron James
    97 Overall (NC) - Playoffs
    96 Overall (-1) - Regular Season

    Position: SF
    Playoffs Archetype: All-Around Superstar
    Regular Season: Offensive Superstar (from All-Around Superstar)
    Position OVRs (playoffs / regular season):
    PG: 93 / 92
    SG: 96 / 95
    SF: 97 / 96
    PF: 92 / 90 (this should be LeBron's default position, but 2K has a piss-poor formula)
    C: 90 / 89
    OFFENSE
    99 Standing Layup (+1) - Would rate 105 if scale allowed
    99 Driving Layup (+1)
    90 Post Fade (+6)
    75 Post Hook (+1)
    90 Post Control (+5)
    80 Draw Foul (-9)
    82 Shot Close
    81 Open Shot Mid
    81 Contested Mid
    81 Off-Dribble Mid
    83 Open Shot 3pt (+1)
    83 Contested 3pt (+1)
    83 Off-Dribble 3pt (+1)
    74 Free Throw (-1)
    95 Ball Control (+9)
    95 Pass Vision (+4)
    99 Pass IQ (+1)
    90 Pass Accuracy
    44 Offensive Rebound (+1)
    70 Standing Dunk
    80 Driving Dunk (-5)
    50 Contact Dunk
    99 Shot IQ (+1)
    99 Hands (+1)
    DEFENSE
    81 Defensive Rebound
    55 Block (-5)
    85 Shot Contest (-10)
    71 Steal (+7)
    90 On-Ball Defense (-6) / Regular Season: 75
    95 Low Post Defense (+15)
    95 Reaction Time (-1)
    ATHLETICISM
    80 Boxout (-2)
    90 Lateral Quickness
    90 Speed (+2)
    90 Ball Speed (+2)
    90 Acceleration (+2)
    90 Vertical (+2)
    95 Strength (+6)
    99 Stamina (+1)
    80 Hustle (-15)
    99 Durability
    INTANGIBLES
    80 Pass Perception (-17)
    90 Defensive Consistency (+5) / Regular Season: 55
    70 Pick & Roll Defense (-26)
    90 Help Defense (-3) / Regular Season: 70
    99 Offensive Consistency (+1)
    99 Intangibles (+9)
    99 Potential
    GRADES
    Inside Scoring: A+
    Mid-Range Scoring: B
    3PT Scoring: A- (from B+)
    Playmaking: A+
    Perimeter Defense: A (Regular Season: A-)
    Post Defense: A (from B+)
    Rebounding: B-
    Athleticism: A+
    Basketball IQ: A+
    STRENGTHS
    The best finisher in NBA history. Incredible athlete on course to shatter most NBA records the deeper he plays into his 30s.
    WEAKNESSES
    So disengaged defensively during the regular season that I have separate ratings for him - the only instance in 15 years I've had to do such a thing. Only an average mid-range scorer. A below average FT shooter.
    NOTES
    LeBron is a handful of rebounding attributes away from achieving "One of A Kind" archetype status - something to note as he logs more time at PF.
    Rashidi Ratings vs NBA 2K19
    97 LeBron James (-1)
    96 Kawhi Leonard (+2)
    89 DeMar DeRozan (NC)
    87 Kemba Walker (+1)
    86 Ben Simmons (-1)
    86 Donovan Mitchell (-1)
    85 Jayson Tatum (-2)
    81 D'Angelo Russell (-2)
    Rashidi,
    Oh how I miss your rosters from back in the day. I've been a fan for over a decade.
    The Real2KInsider
    All of your info is on point, I like the way you break it down with all positions too.
    Jrocc23
    Surprised he’s a 98. Wow. Defense has to be hyped up to get that rating.
    Wish the screenshot wasn’t so close so we could see the whole model. I want to see some side to side comparisons.
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    Thats typically what the roster ratings people at 2k do with aging superstars, they dont lower their defense attributes down nearly enough.
    Although I have noticed when roster editing that defensive attributes dont impact overall nearly as much as offensive attributes do. I found this out when editing Harden defensive attribute way down and it hardly had any impact on his overall rating.
    So its possible Lebron could be still be a 98, although knowing how they overrate basically every player to some degree, its likely Lebron's defensive ratings are too high.
    With how much effort Lebron has had to put out on the offensive end last yr, he may have just slacked on defense to conserve some energy. Now with the Lakers having a playmaking pg in Ball, and some other quality offensive players in Kuzma and Ingram, Lebron may exert more effort on the defensive side of the ball this season. Granted common sense would seem to indicate with Lebrons age, that he has lost a step to some degree anyway, which Im sure isnt shown in his attribute ratings, with how poorly done NBA2k ratings are each yr.
    Rashidi
    LeBron was a plus defender in the playoffs.
    He clearly coasts through the regular season.

    He was an elite defender in the playoffs. Defended Oladipo, Jaylen Brown, Lowry, Kevin Durant, DeRozan, and Stephen Curry very well.
    People just see his defensive lowlights and disregard everything well he does on that end.
    During the regular season he was a great defender for games where he put in effort.
    He’s incredibly disciplined, smart, fluid, and skilled on that end. I actually thought he improved from last season. His transition defense was great in the Finals on KD, Steph, and Klay.
    His skills and performance on that end are elite in the clutch and in big games.
    He locked down Nurkic, Porzingis, Towns at the 5 too.
    Locked down so many stars in the clutch and 4th quarters last season.
    As someone who watches every second of every game of LeBron on that end, the narratives were extremely frustrating to listen to. A lot of casuals don’t watch or understand ball.
    LeBron’s defense is so underrated. It makes me want to punch a whiteboard repeatedly listening to some of the casual narratives
    Edit: His help defense in the regular season through the entire month of January was NONEXISTENT. IT, Love, JR, Crowder etc would get lost/beat on defense, Bron wouldn’t even take a step over to help them. Just let the dude have an easy layup and then pointed the finger.
    The Cavs defensively were a mess. They did not have the talent, IQ, athleticism, or coaching on that end. PNR defense and switches were atrocious.
    It killed them in the Finals too.
    LeBron playing on his own island was something IT called the team out for. They had no grit and weren’t helping.
    LeBron esp was just walking through his assignments and going through the motions for a month.
    Complete opposite from October/November/December/February/March-June
    Cavs2016
    He was an elite defender in the playoffs. Defended Oladipo, Jaylen Brown, Lowry, Kevin Durant, DeRozan, and Stephen Curry very well.
    People just see his defensive lowlights and disregard everything well he does on that end.
    During the regular season he was a great defender for games where he put in effort.
    He’s incredibly disciplined, smart, fluid, and skilled on that end. I actually thought he improved from last season. His transition defense was great in the Finals on KD, Steph, and Klay.
    His skills and performance on that end are elite in the clutch and in big games.
    He locked down Nurkic, Porzingis, Towns at the 5 too.
    Locked down so many stars in the clutch and 4th quarters last season.
    As someone who watches every second of every game of LeBron on that end, the narratives were extremely frustrating to listen to. A lot of casuals don’t watch or understand ball.
    LeBron’s defense is so underrated. It makes me want to punch a whiteboard repeatedly listening to some of the casual narratives
    Edit: His help defense in the regular season through the entire month of January was NONEXISTENT. IT, Love, JR, Crowder etc would get lost/beat on defense, Bron wouldn’t even take a step over to help them. Just let the dude have an easy layup and then pointed the finger.
    The Cavs defensively were a mess. They did not have the talent, IQ, athleticism, or coaching on that end. PNR defense and switches were atrocious.
    It killed them in the Finals too.
    LeBron playing on his own island was something IT called the team out for. They had no grit and weren’t helping.
    LeBron esp was just walking through his assignments and going through the motions for a month.
    Complete opposite from October/November/December/February/March-June
    This is good observations, people forget just how bad the Cavs as a whole were at playing defense for a good portion.
    I mean it's kind of expected when K Love/Tristan are your centers all year...that's not exactly rim protecting to say the least.
    IT, D Rose, Calderon, etc...what kinda d are any of them gonna play.
    2k should tie in the lateral quickness rating and a help defense tendency in the game to kinda have guys slide over more or less...
    A lot of times the CPU be sliding around on d like everyone is a defensive god
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    HowDareI
    This is good observations, people forget just how bad the Cavs as a whole were at playing defense for a good portion.
    I mean it's kind of expected when K Love/Tristan are your centers all year...that's not exactly rim protecting to say the least.
    IT, D Rose, Calderon, etc...what kinda d are any of them gonna play.
    2k should tie in the lateral quickness rating and a help defense tendency in the game to kinda have guys slide over more or less...
    A lot of times the CPU be sliding around on d like everyone is a defensive god
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    You think thats what the help Iq attribute would do in theory.
    24ct
    Is it actually the lighting or the quality of the cameras used to record the game?

    I'm sure ESPN has top tier quality cameras and it affects it slightly. The real difference here however is where the camera's are placed at. Cameras adjust their color based on white. In these pics the one on top is a lot higher and closer to the bright lights. Which means the lights are affecting the white balance ever so slightly.
    The bottom one (ESPN) is a lot closer to the court so they don't have that slight lens flare into their camera allowing for more crispier color.
    Source: I work as a TV producer at a race track
    Rashidi
    My rating changes for LeBron James from NBA 2K18
    LeBron James
    97 Overall (NC) - Playoffs
    96 Overall (-1) - Regular Season

    Position: SF
    Playoffs Archetype: All-Around Superstar
    Regular Season: Offensive Superstar (from All-Around Superstar)
    Position OVRs (playoffs / regular season):
    PG: 93 / 92
    SG: 96 / 95
    SF: 97 / 96
    PF: 92 / 90 (this should be LeBron's default position, but 2K has a piss-poor formula)
    C: 90 / 89
    OFFENSE
    99 Standing Layup (+1) - Would rate 105 if scale allowed
    99 Driving Layup (+1)
    90 Post Fade (+6)
    75 Post Hook (+1)
    90 Post Control (+5)
    80 Draw Foul (-9)
    82 Shot Close
    81 Open Shot Mid
    81 Contested Mid
    81 Off-Dribble Mid
    83 Open Shot 3pt (+1)
    83 Contested 3pt (+1)
    83 Off-Dribble 3pt (+1)
    74 Free Throw (-1)
    95 Ball Control (+9)
    95 Pass Vision (+4)
    99 Pass IQ (+1)
    90 Pass Accuracy
    44 Offensive Rebound (+1)
    70 Standing Dunk
    80 Driving Dunk (-5)
    50 Contact Dunk
    99 Shot IQ (+1)
    99 Hands (+1)
    DEFENSE
    81 Defensive Rebound
    55 Block (-5)
    85 Shot Contest (-10)
    71 Steal (+7)
    90 On-Ball Defense (-6) / Regular Season: 75
    95 Low Post Defense (+15)
    95 Reaction Time (-1)
    ATHLETICISM
    80 Boxout (-2)
    90 Lateral Quickness
    90 Speed (+2)
    90 Ball Speed (+2)
    90 Acceleration (+2)
    90 Vertical (+2)
    95 Strength (+6)
    99 Stamina (+1)
    80 Hustle (-15)
    99 Durability
    INTANGIBLES
    80 Pass Perception (-17)
    90 Defensive Consistency (+5) / Regular Season: 55
    70 Pick & Roll Defense (-26)
    90 Help Defense (-3) / Regular Season: 70
    99 Offensive Consistency (+1)
    99 Intangibles (+9)
    99 Potential
    GRADES
    Inside Scoring: A+
    Mid-Range Scoring: B
    3PT Scoring: A- (from B+)
    Playmaking: A+
    Perimeter Defense: A (Regular Season: A-)
    Post Defense: A (from B+)
    Rebounding: B-
    Athleticism: A+
    Basketball IQ: A+
    STRENGTHS
    The best finisher in NBA history. Incredible athlete on course to shatter most NBA records the deeper he plays into his 30s.
    WEAKNESSES
    So disengaged defensively during the regular season that I have separate ratings for him - the only instance in 15 years I've had to do such a thing. Only an average mid-range scorer. A below average FT shooter.
    NOTES
    LeBron is a handful of rebounding attributes away from achieving "One of A Kind" archetype status - something to note as he logs more time at PF.
    Rashidi Ratings vs NBA 2K19
    97 LeBron James (-1)
    96 Kawhi Leonard (+2)
    89 DeMar DeRozan (NC)
    87 Kemba Walker (+1)
    86 Ben Simmons (-1)
    86 Donovan Mitchell (-1)
    85 Jayson Tatum (-2)
    81 D'Angelo Russell (-2)

    I agree with the big defensive adjustments on his playoffs/regular season ratings. I think that was largely noticeable this season in large part due to how bad the team was defensively as a whole. I think he felt the "effort" wasn't really going to change anything regardless. I do think in terms of 2k however the ratings should reflect ability, effort is going to be user controlled. Best option in game would be putting his defensive consistency way down like you have it here.
    What I do disagree with on your ratings in comparison to some other players you've done up is 1. his block rating being so low, and 2. his defensive rebounding. His blocks are barely under Towns for example, equal in the playoffs this season, and that is with Towns being 7 feet tall and as a big often times already being in position to contest at the rim. LeBron on the other hand being 6'8" and playing the majority of his time on the perimeter. I would argue his block "ability" should be higher. You have Towns at a 70 in comparison to LeBron at 55... By default guys like Bron, Wade, Jordan, etc are always shafted on their block ratings. It takes more for a perimeter guy skill/timing wise to block a shot than a 7 foot guy who's already standing at the rim.
    Defensive rebounding he's only about 1 less that Towns a game and you have the ratings disparity at 99 vs 81. Same as above that's with him being 4 inches shorter and often farther from the rebound at the time of the miss. I think his defensive rebounding ability should be 90ish.. How many times over the past two years has he been the best rebounder on the floor in the playoffs even with guys like Love, TT, Draymond paying. Multiple series now leading both teams in rebounding.
    I think his dunk and contact dunk could jump a few each. The amount of posters he had this past season was high even for him. I think his flashy dunks on tendencies should be low, but it felt like he had a poster nearly every week this past season. His shot close, dude shoots 70% on anything 8 feet and in. A lot of those likely dunks/lay-ups, but if we are being honest what All-Star level (or really any NBA level) player isn't a 90+ on "close" shots. Not enough data to really support this rating in general for any player because when they are "close" they will opt for a drop-step, runner, hook, etc rather than a shot. But in the instance the game forces one of those short jumpers and he misses because he's rated this low I would probably shut the game off lol. Post fade could be one of those regular season vs playoff attributes. Dude felt like he never missed those in the playoffs. Also pass perception. Another one of those "effort" ratings for him, but when he's engaged he's one of the best players (not just now but ever) at playing the passing lanes.
    Edit: On the dunk thing. He was 13th in total dunks this season, out of every player in the top 20 he was the highest in FG% on dunks at 95%.. He was also assisted on only 59% of them which is lower than everyone else in the top 20 which would insinuate he created a lot of his own dunks on the drive or open court. Like I said above he is by no means a flashy, in-game dunk contest dunker, but his rating for his in game dunking ability should be ranked among the best in the league. His driving dunk is rated pretty average in comparison to other dunkers.
    Edit: I would also argue that his offensive rebounding should at least be somewhere around "average". I'm not sure what the league average is but once you get out of the top 20 players pretty much everyone after that is 2 or less. Since the scale isn't 0-100 (what is is 25-99?) his rating here is well below average. 60ish would probably be closer to the norm for most players and he would be in that category.
    ojandpizza
    What I do disagree with on your ratings in comparison to some other players you've done up is 1. his block rating being so low, and 2. his defensive rebounding. His blocks are barely under Towns for example, equal in the playoffs this season, and that is with Towns being 7 feet tall and as a big often times already being in position to contest at the rim. LeBron on the other hand being 6'8" and playing the majority of his time on the perimeter. I would argue his block "ability" should be higher. You have Towns at a 70 in comparison to LeBron at 55... By default guys like Bron, Wade, Jordan, etc are always shafted on their block ratings. It takes more for a perimeter guy skill/timing wise to block a shot than a 7 foot guy who's already standing at the rim.

    LeBron James isn't Andrei Kirilenko or Josh Smith (it's never been close either). A big play here and there does not take away from the fact that he averages 0.9 per game.
    A 55 Block is average for a SF. A 70 is below average for a center.
    Defensive rebounding he's only about 1 less that Towns a game and you have the ratings disparity at 99 vs 81. Same as above that's with him being 4 inches shorter

    LeBron's massive athleticism ratings aren't enough?
    and often farther from the rebound at the time of the miss. I think his defensive rebounding ability should be 90ish.. How many times over the past two years has he been the best rebounder on the floor in the playoffs even with guys like Love, TT, Draymond paying. Multiple series now leading both teams in rebounding

    Zero, I would imagine. 40+ MPG means he is logging rebounds (8.5 RPG in 45 MPG this past Finals), but as far as being the best on the floor? Come on.
    Cleveland in Finals
    Kevin Love: 10 ORB% / 32 DRB% (11 RPG in 33 MPG)
    Nance: 21 ORB% / 25 DRB% (7 RPG in 17 MPG)
    Hood: 9 ORB% / 23 DRB% (4 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Thompson: 8 ORB% / 19 DRB% (5 RPG in 23 MPG)
    LeBron: 5 ORB% / 19 DRB% (9 RPG in 45 MPG)
    Golden State in Finals
    Durant: 2 ORB% / 25 DRB% (11 RPG in 41 MPG)
    Bell: 10 ORB% / 17 DRB% (3 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Even Rodney Hood rebounded at a higher rate than LeBron in the past series. Kevin Love was nearly twice the rebounder that LeBron was.
    I think his dunk and contact dunk could jump a few each. The amount of posters he had this past season was high even for him.

    His dunk rate dropped by three percent (8% of FGA). It is also in line with his career average. His playoff rate was his 3rd lowest (4.7%) out of 13 seasons, and not remotely close to what he did the prior two seasons (8.9% and 11.0%). The numbers simply don't back up this statement.
    His shot close, dude shoots 70% on anything 8 feet and in.

    LeBron was 97-254 (38%) from 3-10 feet, so this likewise isn't true.
    A lot of those likely dunks/lay-ups, but if we are being honest what All-Star level (or really any NBA level) player isn't a 90+ on "close" shots. Not enough data to really support this rating in general for any player because when they are "close" they will opt for a drop-step, runner, hook, etc rather than a shot.

    The game weighs shot rating against the defense (rating + quality) to calculate shooting percentage.
    3-15 Feet
    Durant: 260-519 (50%)
    LeBron: 182-454 (40%)
    One of these is unlike the other.
    And all of those shot types use the Close shot rating.
    But in the instance the game forces one of those short jumpers and he misses because he's rated this low I would probably shut the game off lol. Post fade could be one of those regular season vs playoff attributes. Dude felt like he never missed those in the playoffs.

    LeBron was 29-53 (55%) on Post-Ups in the Playoffs, 1.11 PPP, 59th percentile. I assure you, he misses shots.
    Also pass perception. Another one of those "effort" ratings for him, but when he's engaged he's one of the best players (not just now but ever) at playing the passing lanes.

    LeBron was top 10 in Steal rate ONCE in his career (one of best ever???). His last two seasons are the worst two of his career. His rating is a 97. This is consequently another statement that doesn't exactly hold weight.
    On the dunk thing. He was 13th in total dunks this season, out of every player in the top 20 he was the highest in FG% on dunks at 95%.. He was also assisted on only 59% of them which is lower than everyone else in the top 20 which would insinuate he created a lot of his own dunks on the drive or open court. Like I said above he is by no means a flashy, in-game dunk contest dunker, but his rating for his in game dunking ability should be ranked among the best in the league. His driving dunk is rated pretty average in comparison to other dunkers.

    Average Driving Dunk
    PG: 50
    SG: 66
    SF: 67
    PF: 73
    C: 67
    It's not.
    Edit: I would also argue that his offensive rebounding should at least be somewhere around "average". I'm not sure what the league average is but once you get out of the top 20 players pretty much everyone after that is 2 or less. Since the scale isn't 0-100 (what is is 25-99?) his rating here is well below average. 60ish would probably be closer to the norm for most players and he would be in that category.

    LeBron has never been a good offensive rebounder, and his rate has not gone up despite playing more and more PF (the "opportunity" you referenced earlier cuts both ways).
    Rating scales are important.
    Throughout this post you've campaigned for numerous exceptions to be applied to LeBron that ignore his actual production. Where does the line end? Are you going to look at the block rating for Jimmy Butler against Karl Towns? What about Tim Hardaway Jr and whatever asterisks we can come up with there? At what point are we not just maxing out every player?
    I treated LeBron fairly and he ended up with a 97 OVR and the highest rating in the league. Does his digital counterpart REALLY need additional help?
    This is the Benefit and Problem with "Numbers"... Math Pinheads will tell me what Kobe did in 2006 and LeBron did in (Insert Year) wasn't really all that good...lol! They'll name somebody like Kirk Heinrich being the best player in the league based on some sort of Basketball-Saber metrics!
    I'm a Tampa Bay Rays fan so I have been Saber metric'd to death, understanding its a necessary evil, but the numbers at times defy what my eyes see.
    Carry on gentlemen...
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    Rashidi
    LeBron James isn't Andrei Kirilenko or Josh Smith (it's never been close either). A big play here and there does not take away from the fact that he averages 0.9 per game.
    A 55 Block is average for a SF. A 70 is below average for a center.

    Which in today’s league that so perimeter oriented .9 is probably more comparable to a 1.5 when those guys played. Besides the point his “average” doesn’t necessarily reflect his actual ability, especially this past season.
    55 is average for a SF but LeBron is not average for a SF. He’s top 20 in the league overall, with only a select few SF’s ahead of him. Two of which have a big height/length advantage. Meaning even with equal block ratings their length should equate to a higher blocks per game average.
    70 is only below average for a center because virtually all centers have an overrated block rating. A 7’1” player who stands under the rim getting two blocks a game is less impressive ability wise than a 6’4” guard getting 1 block per game. They are getting more blocks by default, not because they have a better ability/timing.

    Zero, I would imagine. 40+ MPG means he is logging rebounds (8.5 RPG in 45 MPG this past Finals), but as far as being the best on the floor? Come on.
    Cleveland in Finals
    Kevin Love: 10 ORB% / 32 DRB% (11 RPG in 33 MPG)
    Nance: 21 ORB% / 25 DRB% (7 RPG in 17 MPG)
    Hood: 9 ORB% / 23 DRB% (4 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Thompson: 8 ORB% / 19 DRB% (5 RPG in 23 MPG)
    LeBron: 5 ORB% / 19 DRB% (9 RPG in 45 MPG)
    Golden State in Finals
    Durant: 2 ORB% / 25 DRB% (11 RPG in 41 MPG)
    Bell: 10 ORB% / 17 DRB% (3 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Even Rodney Hood rebounded at a higher rate than LeBron in the past series. Kevin Love was nearly twice the rebounder that LeBron was.

    I said he has been. I didn’t say anything about singling out this past finals series. The beauty of LeBron is that when he wants to be a dominant rebounder he is. When he doesn’t he’s still around his 7-9 mark. IMO the ratings should be reflected on the user. If you want him to shift that focus and lead the team in rebounding like the Indy series he should be able to. We’ve saw that for roughly 8 seasons now when Bosh/Love have a bad matchup up. LeBron goes out and snags down those 13 rebound type games.

    LeBron was top 10 in Steal rate ONCE in his career (one of best ever???). His last two seasons are the worst two of his career. His rating is a 97. This is consequently another statement that doesn't exactly hold weight.

    His steal numbers don’t directly reflect his passing lane reading because those are a large chunk of the steals he gets. He doesn’t gamble on reaches, plays his length on the perimeter, and doesn’t try to poke the ball from behind posting players. He gets his steals in the passing lanes, a big part of him leading the Cavs in deflections this past year and a big reason we see all those D-Wade and Bron, Kyrie and Bron alley oop highlight reels over the past few years.

    Average Driving Dunk
    PG: 50
    SG: 66
    SF: 67
    PF: 73
    C: 67

    So which small forwards would be ahead of him? Giannis MAYBE. I don’t think he should be pulling off insane in game dunks, in fact even some of his dunk packages should be removed, but his effectiveness is top tier.

    Rating scales are important.
    Throughout this post you've campaigned for numerous exceptions to be applied to LeBron that ignore his actual production. Where does the line end? Are you going to look at the block rating for Jimmy Butler against Karl Towns? What about Tim Hardaway Jr and whatever asterisks we can come up with there? At what point are we not just maxing out every player?

    Absolutely, I’m all about it for every player. I think 2K needs an overhaul on a lot of their ratings and the way they apply certain ratings across the board. In large part I think a lot of perimeter players are underrated in many aspects because of what their “average” is rather than their ability at their dispositions. Same goes for shooters. Guys with good 3 point ratings when literally nearly every shot they shoot in real games is wide open vs the type of shots a player with more defensive attention on him (and thus maybe lower percentages) would be shooting. But 2k has done a nice job at fixing some of that with the “catch and shoot”, “off the dribble” type of distinctions.
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    WaddupCouzin
    This is the Benefit and Problem with "Numbers"... Math Pinheads will tell me what Kobe did in 2006 and LeBron did in (Insert Year) wasn't really all that good...lol! They'll name somebody like Kirk Heinrich being the best player in the league based on some sort of Basketball-Saber metrics!

    Ah, because that's EXACTLY what happened here. Carry on indeed.
    I'm a Tampa Bay Rays fan so I have been Saber metric'd to death, understanding its a necessary evil, but the numbers at times defy what my eyes see.

    Eyes deceive more than numbers.
    ojandpizza
    Which in today’s league that so perimeter oriented .9 is probably more comparable to a 1.5 when those guys played. Besides the point his “average” doesn’t necessarily reflect his actual ability, especially this past season.

    You're making this statement without knowing whether or not it actually holds any statistical merit (i.e. conjecture).
    Conjecture
    In mathematics, a conjecture is a conclusion or proposition based on incomplete information, for which no proof has been found.

    Even if it does hold true, it's something that would be applied to the ENTIRE league, not just ONE individual player.
    55 is average for a SF but LeBron is not average for a SF.

    He's also not a SF. He played 2/3rd of his minutes at PF this season.
    But yes, despite this, he's still average for a SF.
    BLK%
    4.0 Kevin Durant
    3.6 Kawhi Leonard
    2.5 Kyle Anderson
    2.4 Robert Covington
    2.4 Josh Richardson
    2.0 Jayson Tatum
    2.0 LeBron James
    1.8 Brandon Ingram
    1.5 Taurean Prince
    1.5 T.J. Warren
    1.5 Andrew Wiggins
    1.5 Mario Hezonja
    1.5 Otto Porter
    1.2 Paul George
    LeBron blocks make the highlight reels because he's LeBron James. It doesn't make his blocks more important than Josh Richardson's blocks.
    He’s top 20 in the league overall, with only a select few SF’s ahead of him.

    Let's see how LeBron compares to his small-four brethren.
    BLK%
    4.2 Jerami Grant
    4.0 Kevin Durant
    3.3 Giannis Antetkounmpo
    3.1 Draymond Green
    2.2 James Johnson
    2.0 LeBron James
    1.9 Aaron Gordon
    1.8 Carmelo Anthony
    1.7 Justise Winslow
    1.6 Al-Farouq Aminu
    1.2 Thaddeus Young
    A guy who barely blocked more shots than Melo is top 20 in the league?
    The reality is someone like Brook Lopez is a legitimately better shot blocker than LeBron James. Swallow it. Own it. Keep your personal bias at the door.

    LeBron doesn't get blocks like this on even a semi-regular basis. Chasedown blocks in transition aren't the same as half-court blocks - Altering shots in the paint and meeting guys at the rim.
    Lopez doesn't get those blocks "by default" either. They require just as much timing (maybe even more so since he doesn't have LeBron's explosion to fall back on). Dirk Nowitzki is 7 feet tall, does he get blocks like this by "default"?

    This ain't LeBron.
    Two of which have a big height/length advantage. Meaning even with equal block ratings their length should equate to a higher blocks per game average.

    You glossed over this.
    Who is going to get more blocks?
    A player with a 25 block rating and 99 Speed/Vertical or a player with a 99 block rating and a 25 Speed/Vertical?
    70 is only below average for a center because virtually all centers have an overrated block rating. A 7’1” player who stands under the rim getting two blocks a game is less impressive ability wise than a 6’4” guard getting 1 block per game. They are getting more blocks by default, not because they have a better ability/timing.

    Would that 6'4" guard get that 1 block per game playing against other centers?
    I said he has been. I didn’t say anything about singling out this past finals series. The beauty of LeBron is that when he wants to be a dominant rebounder he is.

    I don't think you conceptually understand "dominant rebounding". LeBron doesn't flick a switch and become Dennis Rodman or Moses Malone (much less Kevin Love).
    When he doesn’t he’s still around his 7-9 mark. IMO the ratings should be reflected on the user. If you want him to shift that focus and lead the team in rebounding like the Indy series he should be able to. We’ve saw that for roughly 8 seasons now when Bosh/Love have a bad matchup up. LeBron goes out and snags down those 13 rebound type games.

    More like the user shouldn't be able to put LeBron at center without suffering any penalty whatsoever (just like real life).
    His steal numbers don’t directly reflect his passing lane reading because those are a large chunk of the steals he gets. He doesn’t gamble on reaches, plays his length on the perimeter, and doesn’t try to poke the ball from behind posting players. He gets his steals in the passing lanes, a big part of him leading the Cavs in deflections this past year and a big reason we see all those D-Wade and Bron, Kyrie and Bron alley oop highlight reels over the past few years.

    Deflections per 40 minutes
    4.4 Larry Nance Jr
    3.1 Cedi Osman
    2.6 George Hill
    2.5 Jose Calderon
    2.4 LeBron James
    2.2 J.R. Smith
    1.9 Jordan Clarkson
    1.9 Kevin Love
    1.7 Jeff Green
    1.6 Rodney Hood
    1.4 Kyle Korver
    1.0 Tristan Thompson
    His deflection rate is average.
    Deflections per 40 Minutes (1000+ minutes)
    5.0 Robert Covington
    4.5 Thaddeus Young
    4.4 Victor Oladipo
    4.4 Larry Nance
    4.3 Eric Bledsoe
    4.3 Kris Dunn
    4.3 Paul George
    4.3 Corey Brewer
    4.2 Kent Bazemore
    4.1 T.J. McConnell
    4.1 Ricky Rubio
    4.0 Shabazz Napier
    4.0 Wesley Johnson
    3.9 Kelly Oubre
    3.9 Dejounte Murray
    3.9 Manu Ginobili
    Somewhere really far down the list: 2.4 LeBron James
    I don't see why this is getting discussed at length. Just give LeBron a 99 (or close to it) in every attribute in your pet roster and be happy about it.
    So which small forwards would be ahead of him? Giannis MAYBE.

    I think it's telling that Giannis lead the league in Dunks by a non-center (something you are familiar with since you referenced LeBron's dunk rank), and state "MAYBE" the 10-years younger guy should have a higher rating.
    Rashidi
    LeBron James isn't Andrei Kirilenko or Josh Smith (it's never been close either). A big play here and there does not take away from the fact that he averages 0.9 per game.
    A 55 Block is average for a SF. A 70 is below average for a center.
    LeBron's massive athleticism ratings aren't enough?
    Zero, I would imagine. 40+ MPG means he is logging rebounds (8.5 RPG in 45 MPG this past Finals), but as far as being the best on the floor? Come on.
    Cleveland in Finals
    Kevin Love: 10 ORB% / 32 DRB% (11 RPG in 33 MPG)
    Nance: 21 ORB% / 25 DRB% (7 RPG in 17 MPG)
    Hood: 9 ORB% / 23 DRB% (4 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Thompson: 8 ORB% / 19 DRB% (5 RPG in 23 MPG)
    LeBron: 5 ORB% / 19 DRB% (9 RPG in 45 MPG)
    Golden State in Finals
    Durant: 2 ORB% / 25 DRB% (11 RPG in 41 MPG)
    Bell: 10 ORB% / 17 DRB% (3 RPG in 14 MPG)
    Even Rodney Hood rebounded at a higher rate than LeBron in the past series. Kevin Love was nearly twice the rebounder that LeBron was.
    His dunk rate dropped by three percent (8% of FGA). It is also in line with his career average. His playoff rate was his 3rd lowest (4.7%) out of 13 seasons, and not remotely close to what he did the prior two seasons (8.9% and 11.0%). The numbers simply don't back up this statement.
    LeBron was 97-254 (38%) from 3-10 feet, so this likewise isn't true.
    The game weighs shot rating against the defense (rating + quality) to calculate shooting percentage.
    3-15 Feet
    Durant: 260-519 (50%)
    LeBron: 182-454 (40%)
    One of these is unlike the other.
    And all of those shot types use the Close shot rating.
    LeBron was 29-53 (55%) on Post-Ups in the Playoffs, 1.11 PPP, 59th percentile. I assure you, he misses shots.
    LeBron was top 10 in Steal rate ONCE in his career (one of best ever???). His last two seasons are the worst two of his career. His rating is a 97. This is consequently another statement that doesn't exactly hold weight.
    Average Driving Dunk
    PG: 50
    SG: 66
    SF: 67
    PF: 73
    C: 67
    It's not.
    LeBron has never been a good offensive rebounder, and his rate has not gone up despite playing more and more PF (the "opportunity" you referenced earlier cuts both ways).
    Rating scales are important.
    Throughout this post you've campaigned for numerous exceptions to be applied to LeBron that ignore his actual production. Where does the line end? Are you going to look at the block rating for Jimmy Butler against Karl Towns? What about Tim Hardaway Jr and whatever asterisks we can come up with there? At what point are we not just maxing out every player?
    I treated LeBron fairly and he ended up with a 97 OVR and the highest rating in the league. Does his digital counterpart REALLY need additional help?

    You treated LeBron fairly and objectively off the knowledge/info/stats/footage you had access to.
    Average production and peak production/abilities are two entirely separate categories.
    LeBron at his peak in 2018 (which spanned perhaps from February to June) was a 99 overall for many, many games in my opinion. And that’s a subjective rating.
    There were games where his shot blocking and rebounding were incredibly dominant (ie in the clutch and for a few games) but...
    LeBron’s shot blocking abilities are in no way average for a SF. Same for his rebounding. From a pure skill standpoint.
    Defensive schemes, positions, situational awareness, agressiveness, all factor into shot blocking and rebounding production.
    LeBron let several rebounds this year bounce to his teammates. He also shared the court with Kevin Love, an elite rebounder.
    LeBron’s aggression on the boards is something that is toned down in the regular season as is his defensive intensity.
    2k will never get a perfect resemblance of LeBron. Simply because there’s such a wide gap between LeBron going 100% and LeBron going 50%.
    And LeBron’s Points per possession and percentile were based solely off of his scoring output in the post. That doesn’t take into account his passing.
    LeBron was a more efficient scorer from the post than Kevin Durant in the playoffs. Much more efficient than Kevin Love, lamarcus Aldridge, and Anthony Davis. And Joel Embiid.
    Out of 31 players during the regular season with at least 120 FGAs from post ups, LeBron was #1 in FG% at 56.3%
    More efficient than:
    Kanter 54.9%
    Towns 51.9%
    Lopez 50.5%
    Embiid 50.0%
    Cousins 47.8%
    Love 47.7%
    Davis 47.6%
    Whiteside 47.2%
    Howard 47.1%
    Aldridge 46.9%
    Dirk 46.9%
    Giannis 46.8%
    Randle 46.0%
    Randolph 45.9%
    Drummond 44.4%
    Jokic 44.1%
    Horford 44.1%
    Porzingis 43.4%
    Nurkic 42.0%
    Melo 41.4%
    Vucevic 39.4%
    Marc Gasol 38.6%
    Westbrook 38.0%
    Cavs2016
    And yes, LeBron did shoot 70% (69.5%) from 8 feet in

    LeBron shot
    0-3 Feet (LAYUP/DUNK RTGS): 656-850 (77%)
    3-10 Feet (CLOSE SHOT): 97-254 (38%)
    10-15 Feet (CLOSE SHOT): 85-200 (43%)
    16-23 Feet (MID-RANGE): 106-266 (40%)
    Threes: 188-520 (36%)
    Cavs2016
    Out of 31 players during the regular season with at least 120 FGAs from post ups, LeBron was #1 in FG% at 56.3%

    120 is a weird total to cherry pick, though I suppose it hurts your argument if Taj Gibson is the league's #1 post player.
    100+ possessions
    1.12 Taj Gibson (16% of Offense)
    1.09 Jonas Valaunciunas (17% of Offense)
    1.08 Steven Adams (11% of Offense)
    1.07 LeBron James (9% of Offense)
    1.02 Karl Towns (22% of Offense)
    1.01 Montrezl Harrell (21% of Offense)
    0.99 LaMarcus Aldridge (43% of Offense)
    0.98 Khris Middleton (8% of Offense)
    0.98 Kevin Love (19% of Offense)
    0.98 Dirk Nowitzki (19% of Offense)
    0.97 Kevin Durant (9% of Offense)
    LeBron was a more efficient scorer from the post than Kevin Durant in the playoffs.

    Playoffs (20+ possessions)
    1.15 Kevin Durant (13% of Offense)
    1.13 Dario Saric (13% of Offense)
    1.12 Karl Towns (41% of Offense)
    1.12 Al Horford (31% of Offense)
    1.04 LaMarcus Aldridge (54% of Offense)
    1.01 LeBron James (10% of Offense)
    0.96 Jonas Valanciunas (19% of Offense)
    Umm.....
    Rashidi
    120 is a weird total to cherry pick, though I suppose it hurts your argument if Taj Gibson is the league's #1 post player.
    100+ possessions
    1.12 Taj Gibson (16% of Offense)
    1.09 Jonas Valaunciunas (17% of Offense)
    1.08 Steven Adams (11% of Offense)
    1.07 LeBron James (9% of Offense)
    1.02 Karl Towns (22% of Offense)
    1.01 Montrezl Harrell (21% of Offense)
    0.99 LaMarcus Aldridge (43% of Offense)
    0.98 Khris Middleton (8% of Offense)
    0.98 Kevin Love (19% of Offense)
    0.98 Dirk Nowitzki (19% of Offense)
    0.97 Kevin Durant (9% of Offense)
    Playoffs (20+ possessions)
    1.15 Kevin Durant (13% of Offense)
    1.13 Dario Saric (13% of Offense)
    1.12 Karl Towns (41% of Offense)
    1.12 Al Horford (31% of Offense)
    1.04 LaMarcus Aldridge (54% of Offense)
    1.01 LeBron James (10% of Offense)
    0.96 Jonas Valanciunas (19% of Offense)
    Umm.....

    My point was, LeBron James is a high volume post player, and out of high volume post players, LeBron is not only one of the most efficient scorers in the league out of the post, but one of the top playmakers as well.
    His PPP is lower because of his passing volume. The Cavs ran a ton of sets from LeBron post ups. Lots of cutting and screening.
    You know how I know this? Because I watch every second of every game and sometimes twice.
    Take the Cavs’ elbow early elbow set from game 1 of the Finals.
    LeBron posts up, the Cavs run some screen and roll action in the corner, LeBron makes the read, passes for the 3 or to the cutter.
    Or, the bail out is the PnR. One play LeBron came off the Thompson screen and buried the midrange.
    A few possessions later, LeBron reads Draymond coming anticipating the PnR to the right, and Bron sweeps left past KD and gets to the line for 2 FTs.
    LeBron’s post game was so polished and efficient all around this year. It was the staple of the Cavs’ for most the season.
    LeBron James is unequivocally one of the premiere post players in the nba. Elite as both a scorer and playmaker.
    Cavs2016
    My point was, LeBron James is a high volume post player, and out of high volume post players, LeBron is not only one of the most efficient scorers in the league out of the post, but one of the top playmakers as well.

    I don't get the point of this, when he as a 90 rating. He is "one of" the best, not "THE" best.
    His PPP is lower because of his passing volume.

    That isn't how PPP works.
    You know how I know this? Because I watch every second of every game and sometimes twice.

    Can you apply that same tenacity to the other 500 players in the NBA? How can one say a player deserves a higher rating than others if you haven't seen those others? Comments like these are the basis of favoritism.
    "I see, therefore I know", but the irony is how much of the equation gets missed as a result of this thinking.
    LeBron James is unequivocally one of the premiere post players in the nba. Elite as both a scorer and playmaker.

    Literally nobody was arguing this.
    I got around to doing Kevin Durant's ratings, to ensure this topic will lose it's collective mind.
    Kevin Durant
    98 Overall (+2)

    Position: SF
    Archetype: Two-Way Superstar
    OFFENSE
    97 Standing Layup (+5)
    95 Driving Layup (+1)
    95 Post Fade (+7)
    65 Post Hook (-5)
    90 Post Control (+10)
    80 Draw Foul (+7)
    99 Shot Close (+1) - Would be 102 by scale
    99 Open Shot Mid (+2) - Would be 101 by scale
    99 Contested Mid (+2) - Would be 101 by scale
    99 Off-Dribble Mid (+2)
    87 Open Shot 3pt
    87 Contested 3pt (+1)
    85 Off-Dribble 3pt (-1)
    89 Free Throw
    90 Ball Control (+4)
    72 Pass Vision
    80 Pass IQ (+2)
    80 Pass Accuracy (+5)
    33 Offensive Rebound
    60 Standing Dunk
    80 Driving Dunk
    45 Contact Dunk (+5)
    99 Shot IQ (+2)
    99 Hands (+8)
    DEFENSE
    75 Defensive Rebound
    75 Block (-5)
    85 Shot Contest (+10)
    57 Steal (-1)
    90 On-Ball Defense (+3)
    70 Low Post Defense (+2)
    85 Reaction Time (+9)
    ATHLETICISM
    70 Boxout (-8)
    85 Lateral Quickness (-1)
    85 Speed (+3)
    85 Ball Speed (+1)
    85 Acceleration (+6)
    75 Vertical (-2)
    65 Strength (+2)
    99 Stamina (+5)
    75 Hustle
    85 Durability (+1)
    INTANGIBLES
    70 Pass Perception (-5)
    70 Defensive Consistency (-15)
    70 Pick & Roll Defense (-16)
    75 Help Defense (-10)
    99 Offensive Consistency (+1)
    99 Intangibles (+4)
    99 Potential (+1)
    GRADES
    Inside Scoring: A+ (from A)
    Mid-Range Scoring: A+
    3PT Scoring: A
    Playmaking: B+
    Perimeter Defense: B
    Post Defense: C+
    Rebounding: C (from C+)
    Athleticism: A-
    Basketball IQ: A
    STRENGTHS
    The most efficient scorer in NBA history. Unstoppable jumpshot. Defense has come a long way.
    WEAKNESSES
    Mentally weak off the court. Probably lurking in the OS forums.

    Rashidi Ratings vs NBA 2K19
    98/SF Kevin Durant (+2): Two-Way Superstar
    97/SF LeBron James (-1): All-Around Superstar
    96/SF Kawhi Leonard (+2): Two-Way Superstar
    93/SF Giannis Antetokounmpo (-1): All-Around Superstar
    92/C Anthony Davis (-2): Two-Way Superstar
    92/C Karl-Anthony Towns (+1): Rebounding Scoring Machine
    91/PG Damian Lillard (+1): Athletic Playmaker
    89/SG DeMar DeRozan (NC): Playmaking Finisher
    88/C DeMarcus Cousins (-2): All-Around Superstar
    87/C Andre Drummond (NC): Rebounding Specialist
    87/SF Paul George (-2): Lockdown Defender
    87/PG Kemba Walker (+1): Athletic Playmaker
    86/PG Ben Simmons (-1): Two-Way Superstar
    86/SG Donovan Mitchell (-1): Two-Way Star
    85/SF Jayson Tatum (-2): Two-Way Wing
    84/C DeAndre Ayton (+5): Low Post Star
    82/PG Trae Young (+5): Offensive Star
    81/PG D'Angelo Russell (-2): Offensive Star
    80/PG Spencer Dinwiddie (+1): Playmaker
    80/SG Jaylen Brown (-4): Two-Way Guard
    80/SF Josh Richardson (+2): Two-Way Wing
    77/SF E’Twaun Moore (+2): Sharpshooter
    Rashidi

    Even if it does hold true, it's something that would be applied to the ENTIRE league, not just ONE individual player.

    Which is what I said I wanted. It’s only being directed at one player because this is the most obvious example of where you have shaved points in comparison to others you have posted for.
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    ojandpizza
    this is the most obvious example of where you have shaved points in comparison to others you have posted for.

    Every player I've posted a rating for has followed the same blocks formula.
    Rashidi
    Every player I've posted a rating for has followed the same blocks formula.

    Which is part of the flaw because they aren’t all playing within the same circumstances. But it’s not really worth arguing, we all have the ability to rate players how we choose.
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    ojandpizza
    Which is part of the flaw because they aren’t all playing within the same circumstances.

    The problem is that as far as you're concerned, the circumstances are LeBron and everyone else.
    Rashidi, im curious as to why you rate KD's blocking at 75, im no stat expert but he was
    5th in BPG at 1.75 per game
    =20th in BPG per 48mins
    2nd in Blocks per Personal Foul
    14th in Block% at 4.0
    I'm not saying he should be a 90+ but mid 80's seems fair to me.
    TheFinalEvent97
    Rashidi, im curious as to why you rate KD's blocking at 75, im no stat expert but he was
    5th in BPG at 1.75 per game
    =20th in BPG per 48mins
    2nd in Blocks per Personal Foul
    14th in Block% at 4.0
    I'm not saying he should be a 90+ but mid 80's seems fair to me.

    This was the first season that Durant had a season comparable to what guys like Josh Smith and Andrei Kirilenko did their entire careers (its actually only 2/3rd of their prime outputs).
    Prime Kirilenko broke the scale a few times (8.5% compared to Durant's new career high 4% is absolutely ridiculous).
    TheFinalEvent97
    Rashidi, im curious as to why you rate KD's blocking at 75, im no stat expert but he was
    5th in BPG at 1.75 per game
    =20th in BPG per 48mins
    2nd in Blocks per Personal Foul
    14th in Block% at 4.0
    I'm not saying he should be a 90+ but mid 80's seems fair to me.

    He’s also 7 foot tall with a 7’5+ wingspan, and 9.2”+ standing reach. Him blocking this many shots is less of a great feat and more of a “about damn time”... I also think him leaving OKC and going to the best rated defensive team in the league has done a lot more for his defensive “numbers” than what his actual defensive ability is. Having 4 other guys on the floor with him who were already a great team, already great with rotations, really lets him use his length more.
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