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MLB The Show 19 Will Not Feature Online Franchise Mode

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MLB The Show 19 Will Not Feature Online Franchise Mode

MLB The Show 19 will not feature online franchise mode, marking the second year in a row The Show will not have the feature.

Last year they gave us the reasoning for it.

For the online areas of the game, we spent this year focusing on our technology. We knew we had to prioritize the stability and speed of our online infrastructure for MLB The Show 18.

As such, Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. This was not an easy decision to make and we understand some of you will be disappointed with this change, but we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18. With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration.

Please know that Online Franchise fans are not forgotten and every new year offers an opportunity to evaluate our plans.

This year, it was confirmed in The Show Nation forums, via Victor from SDS. Maybe we hear more about it, in the video scheduled to be released later today.

While it is bad news for online franchise fans, at least they did confirm it, before release. Unfortunately, there are times in the industry, that doesn’t happen.

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  1. Gaming today is all about online play and with sports games online franchises. For the Show not to have it, especially after having it previously, is mystifying in its own right, and beyond disappointing for those who play/played it.
    I guess if there is any silver lining to this announcement, is that its known now, and not discovered after the launch of the game.
    It's not a surprise but it is still a disappointment. Not crazy about that last line either, seems like they are really funnelling all the online play into DD
    Not surprised. Still very upset over the way they handled it last year. I have hope that when next gen launches they will have built Online Franchise from the ground up. They took it out. It was truly a bad, broken mode. Me and my buddies had to use many workarounds to make it work but we did and had fun with what we had.
    I just know SDS focus is on DD and they dont want anything to interfere with the servers and thats a big reason it was taken out. 2k has it, madden has it, NCAA had it, NHL had it. Baseball needs it.
    There is nothing better then sharing a franchise world with friends and vying for the same free agents and draft picks. Fighting in the playoffs etc. It is a ton of fun and It severely lessens my excitement for the game.
    A few years ago they diverted all focus toward online franchise away from offline franchise.
    Made them completely different from each other. I believe that online and offline should have had the same core components. Then completely abandon it?
    It's really a shame, although I did not play online I feel for those that do and for whatever reason franchise mode does not seem to be a focus.
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    baumy300
    Bet they don't remove any features from DD though

    Pretty sure it was already announced Tickets will be removed and there's speculation in other features being taken out as well.
    Caulfield
    Dont play online, so it doesnt directly affect me, just hope it means it freed somebody up to work on something, anything, thats not DD related

    See, I'm the opposite. I'd much rather play against a human opponent in any game than the CPU.
    On-line franchise did have many flaws but as eric7064 said, there were work arounds.
    And yeah, at least it's known NOW. Last year was pretty crappy not to mention in before you could pre-order.
    Ballgame59
    See, I'm the opposite. I'd much rather play against a human opponent in any game than the CPU.
    On-line franchise did have many flaws but as eric7064 said, there were work arounds.
    And yeah, at least it's known NOW. Last year was pretty crappy not to mention in before you could pre-order.

    Years ago , I did enjoy online. But as I got older, I got lazier. I sacrifice the humans so that I can amble about at my own slow pace. Eventually, having to keep up with others started feeling like a chore. And as AI got better, so did the CPU experience. I do wish the CPU had 30 split-personalities lol
    Ballgame59
    Eventually it'll be the only mode. I truly feel that. It's their money maker.

    Absolutely. Someone somewhere at SDS sits in an office and sees it's the only way, aka bottom line that DD makes them money after the game has been purchased. People in offices don't care about gameplay, graphics, modes, etc... Only money. Devs get their marching orders and we get what they give us. The end. Not even an online Franchise guy and never will be, but they took my Season mode away last year and came for others this year. They're no different than any other sports game out right now either, which is unfortunately the future. That's why I am already happy with just new uniforms. Keep low expectations - Suffer less disappointment.
    Caulfield
    Years ago , I did enjoy online. But as I got older, I got lazier. I sacrifice the humans so that I can amble about at my own slow pace. Eventually, having to keep up with others started feeling like a chore. And as AI got better, so did the CPU experience. I do wish the CPU had 30 split-personalities lol

    Ha! 30 split-personalities pretty much summed up my league. I'm over 50 and yeah, sometimes I just wanna wreck the CPU. We played with mostly adults (and one or two really respectful older teens). It's a great core group. Play Madden, MLB '14-17 and we even did FIFA competitions.
    baumy300
    Absolutely. Someone somewhere at SDS sits in an office and sees it's the only way, aka bottom line that DD makes them money after the game has been purchased. People in offices don't care about gameplay, graphics, modes, etc... Only money. Devs get their marching orders and we get what they give us. The end. Not even an online Franchise guy and never will be, but they took my Season mode away last year and came for others this year. They're no different than any other sports game out right now either, which is unfortunately the future. That's why I am already happy with just new uniforms. Keep low expectations - Suffer less disappointment.

    ........
    is anyone really surprised by this??
    I am a offline guy, but I can really understand peoples frustration.
    sporting games are really on the decline. it aint about the sport anymore it's about the fantasy and cards
    The best thing for The Show, in terms of game quality and content, would be MVP Baseball or MLB 2k being revived. Just for the sake of competition enhancing their own game.
    I know there’s RBI Baseball but it’s not a major title.
    bacon96
    Pretty sure it was already announced Tickets will be removed and there's speculation in other features being taken out as well.

    They will be replaced with other items. Guaranteed.
    Bartolo Colon
    The best thing for The Show, in terms of game quality and content, would be MVP Baseball or MLB 2k being revived. Just for the sake of competition enhancing their own game.
    I know there’s RBI Baseball but it’s not a major title.

    I've got MLB 2k12 in my disc drive on my PC and don't get me wrong, it has problems. Big problems. There's no mystery why the show beat it years ago. It was the better game. (Problem is its still that same game.)
    But man, it's smooth as butter and those pitching gestures are just irreplaceable.
    Incidentally, MLB 2k is to 2k what Online Franchise is to SCEA, ha.
    Bartolo Colon
    The best thing for The Show, in terms of game quality and content, would be MVP Baseball or MLB 2k being revived. Just for the sake of competition enhancing their own game.
    I know there’s RBI Baseball but it’s not a major title.

    no MVP would just bring in MUT that ultimate team rubbish that started this decline in sports game that they try and feed us into our face. this whole 'deluxe edition' I couldn't care less if your gonna give me 34904950 stubs I will not pay more for that crap. I hate in franchise when all those cards come up I can't hit x enough times I must have over a million stubs I never used over the years, that is how much I couldn't care less about that mode.
    Maybe I am getting to old but I like to play a sports game for the sport.
    what's gonna be next DD mode only play your own franchise and earn stubs to edit players?? or earn stubs to unlock equipment in franchise?? or you can pay REAL money and just unlock it now!
    the video game market crash is coming... the sporting one maybe well here soon. There will be a time when the DD lovers will grow up and get fed up of the mode and bored. then the sales will go down because it's the only mode focused on and then we have the massive crash.
    Going down the same path as EA sports all they care about is DD and their microtransactions. Didn't buy it last year, now I won't even think about it. Hope they realize they're alienating a good chunk of the fanbase.
    redsfan4life
    Going down the same path as EA sports all they care about is DD and their microtransactions. Didn't buy it last year, now I won't even think about it. Hope they realize they're alienating a good chunk of the fanbase.

    I really would like to see the percentage of what mode is being played. I do believe that On line Franchise was the minority.
    Ballgame59
    I really would like to see the percentage of what mode is being played. I do believe that On line Franchise was the minority.

    You know why it was the minority? Because the mode they tried to release was broken and terrible. If they actually made a mode that worked I'm guessing the numbers would look a bit different. Only the hardcore fans would take the time to work around a broken mode. I don't entirely blame the devs, it's the higher ups at SDS that are making these calls. And all they care about is money. DD fans rejoice, if you don't play the mode at all though sorry you're just out of luck.
    ninertravel
    no MVP would just bring in MUT that ultimate team rubbish that started this decline in sports game that they try and feed us into our face. this whole 'deluxe edition' I couldn't care less if your gonna give me 34904950 stubs I will not pay more for that crap. I hate in franchise when all those cards come up I can't hit x enough times I must have over a million stubs I never used over the years, that is how much I couldn't care less about that mode.
    Maybe I am getting to old but I like to play a sports game for the sport.
    what's gonna be next DD mode only play your own franchise and earn stubs to edit players?? or earn stubs to unlock equipment in franchise?? or you can pay REAL money and just unlock it now!
    the video game market crash is coming... the sporting one maybe well here soon. There will be a time when the DD lovers will grow up and get fed up of the mode and bored. then the sales will go down because it's the only mode focused on and then we have the massive crash.

    Bunselpower32
    I've got MLB 2k12 in my disc drive on my PC and don't get me wrong, it has problems. Big problems. There's no mystery why the show beat it years ago. It was the better game. (Problem is its still that same game.)
    But man, it's smooth as butter and those pitching gestures are just irreplaceable.
    Incidentally, MLB 2k is to 2k what Online Franchise is to SCEA, ha.

    I meant the competition would improve The Show. The Show is still a really good baseball game and I think it is miles better than 2K baseball and MVP baseball.
    It just doesn’t have a huge development team; because how much better would it sell with an 80 person staff versus something like triple that. If they tripled their development team there is no way the sales would even double.
    Bartolo Colon
    I meant the competition would improve The Show. The Show is still a really good baseball game and I think it is miles better than 2K baseball and MVP baseball.
    It just doesn’t have a huge development team; because how much better would it sell with an 80 person staff versus something like triple that. If they tripled their development team there is no way the sales would even double.

    I wouldn't say the development team being small is a issue. they once did great franchise games early on, EA have a HUGE team and release the same game every year focusing on MUT only and a roster update, it took them 6 god damm year to be able to put a long snapper at the actual long snapper position in that CFM mode which ruined that franchise 6 years ago.
    ninertravel
    I wouldn't say the development team being small is a issue. they once did great franchise games early on, EA have a HUGE team and release the same game every year focusing on MUT only and a roster update, it took them 6 god damm year to be able to put a long snapper at the actual long snapper position in that CFM mode which ruined that franchise 6 years ago.

    I think the small development team definitely hurts them. You are right with EA though.
    The big issue might be that a new sports game (every sports game franchise) has to release every single year, when the games would be so much better if it was every few years.
    Bartolo Colon
    I think the small development team definitely hurts them. You are right with EA though.
    The big issue might be that a new sports game (every sports game franchise) has to release every single year, when the games would be so much better if it was every few years.

    2k is still the bar for sports games as I see it. They have their microtransactions just like the other games, but they go above and beyond improving their franchise mode and career modes. The effort by 2k games just dwarfs what we see from Madden and MLB these days. Maybe effort isn't the right word, but the end product simply doesn't compare. You buy a 2k game and it feels fresh every year. MLB and Madden...you could buy the game every other year and it'd still feel incredibly similar.
    Bartolo Colon
    I think the small development team definitely hurts them. You are right with EA though.
    The big issue might be that a new sports game (every sports game franchise) has to release every single year, when the games would be so much better if it was every few years.

    It's like how they gotta release a call of duty or assassins creed game every year. quantity of quality. imagine if GTA came out every year.
    but 100% correct that is the major problem and why nothing gets improved with some modes and why things are taken out and recycled just to announce something as 'new again' never see stuff like create a manager. There was create a coach for 1 year in madden. even create a fan(my god what a joke that was!)
    just a simple thing like create a manager or edit a manager. so we put in managers that are not in the game and make them look like them. I would prefer that so much more then a retro mode. or just legends.
    Bought this game religiously the last decade. I'll no longer do that. Have fun with DD...This was the last sports title I was playing and now it's not worth it. I'll happily give my $60 to a company that cares about more than one segment of their fanbase. The best new feature for franchise mode this year: Contract Extensions! Woooooooooooooo!!!!! Look out!
    jkra0512
    Bought this game religiously the last decade. I'll no longer do that. Have fun with DD...This was the last sports title I was playing and now it's not worth it. I'll happily give my $60 to a company that cares about more than one segment of their fanbase. The best new feature for franchise mode this year: Contract Extensions! Woooooooooooooo!!!!! Look out!

    Still bought , still will buy it, don’t even play DD at all, just offline franchise. I’ll wait and see if anything has been updated there before I jump the gun, game is still a month and a half away. I’m sure more info will come and if they didn’t change much for offline franchise, I won’t be made because I’ll still play it.
    Once the first screen of the PS5 is released and when it is, you all will be running right back lmao
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    jkra0512
    Bought this game religiously the last decade. I'll no longer do that. Have fun with DD...This was the last sports title I was playing and now it's not worth it. I'll happily give my $60 to a company that cares about more than one segment of their fanbase. The best new feature for franchise mode this year: Contract Extensions! Woooooooooooooo!!!!! Look out!

    I don't play online but hate it for those who do. It's one thing if you remove it for one year to fix it and get it working properly. Yet two years in a row without it?
    I know people said last year that no online franchise meant more time to making offline franchise better but we didn't even get that. All they did was add ways to streamline it and make you play the games faster. As you said, contract extensions is the only thing within one dev cycle. Compare that to multiple and many things NBA2K19 added within one dev cycle, it's crazy.
    RoyalBoyle14

    Once the first screen of the PS5 is released and when it is, you all will be running right back lmao
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    Why? The development decisions are what people are turning their back on. The people in this thread aren't concerned with the upgraded graphics the PS5 version will have.
    MLB14
    Why? The development decisions are what people are turning their back on. The people in this thread aren't concerned with the upgraded graphics the PS5 version will have.
    Exactly. Graphics have never been most important for most of us. It's quality of modes and details that matters much more.
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    Ballgame59
    On Line Franchise DLC. $4.99 per season, $39.99 Year long pass. Or make it like fantasy baseball hosts and charge the league as a whole.

    You know that only works if there are enough people playing that mode regularly. And even if there were enough, how many would pay? It’s a blatant non-starter.
    I’m really thinking about skipping this years game after hearing this news. It’s like the developers didn’t listen at all after everyone complained about them removing it last year. It’s really a shame that with every step forward they take two steps back.
    They continue to do more things for trash DD mode but they can’t even bring back the mode everyone wanted back. Sony is doing their best to turn into EA Sports.
    Probably won't be purchasing for the 2nd year in a row now.
    I'm still not sure what's worse...
    That they neglected online franchise to the point where it was almost too embarrassing for them to keep in the game, or that they wouldn't just be upfront with us last year, regarding the removal.
    IIRC, they made it seem like it was this close run thing last year. Like the decision came down to the wire somehow. Which is what you would say if you didn't want to seem like dicks for letting people pre-order with the presumption of an online franchise mode.
    But if the decision to include or remove online franchise was really a last minute decision, why couldn't they have thrown some bandaids on it in the meantime, and push it back out?
    How about the bare minimum for a show of good will to those of us loyal fans who you deliberately mislead the year before?
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    Jgainsey
    Probably won't be purchasing for the 2nd year in a row now.
    I'm still not sure what's worse...
    That they neglected online franchise to the point where it was almost too embarrassing for them to keep in the game, or that they wouldn't just be upfront with us last year, regarding the removal.
    IIRC, they made it seem like it was this close run thing last year. Like the decision came down to the wire somehow. Which is what you would say if you didn't want to seem like dicks for letting people pre-order with the presumption of an online franchise mode.
    But if the decision to include or remove online franchise was really a last minute decision, why couldn't they have thrown some bandaids on it in the meantime, and push it back out?
    How about the bare minimum for a show of good will to those of us loyal fans who you deliberately mislead the year before?
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    My thoughts exactly. Last year I heard the exact same thing about Online Francise being a last minute thing they removed. I figured they took it out for a year to improve it and bring it back better than ever this year. Now I read that it’s missing for a second straight year and that’s unacceptable. Make MLB The show great again!
    Jgainsey
    Probably won't be purchasing for the 2nd year in a row now.
    I'm still not sure what's worse...
    That they neglected online franchise to the point where it was almost too embarrassing for them to keep in the game, or that they wouldn't just be upfront with us last year, regarding the removal.
    IIRC, they made it seem like it was this close run thing last year. Like the decision came down to the wire somehow. Which is what you would say if you didn't want to seem like dicks for letting people pre-order with the presumption of an online franchise mode.
    But if the decision to include or remove online franchise was really a last minute decision, why couldn't they have thrown some bandaids on it in the meantime, and push it back out?
    How about the bare minimum for a show of good will to those of us loyal fans who you deliberately mislead the year before?
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    I agree. Pretty crappy not letting us know before pre orders were available.
    Here's their post about it last year. At least one of them.
    "Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. This was not an easy decision to make and we understand some of you will be disappointed with this change, but we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18. With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration."
    Isn't DD mostly grinding vs CPU ??
    Link -
    https://mlb17.theshownation.com/news/10123-online-franchise-and-mlb-the-show-18
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2018/03/03/online-franchise-has-been-cut-from-mlb-the-show-18
    Hopefully they can be straight with people about season mode as well. I realize they might not want to spoil something, but after how last cycle went down, holding back info on that would be super duper tone deaf.
    Ballgame59
    I agree. Pretty crappy not letting us know before pre orders were available.
    Here's their post about it last year. At least one of them.
    "Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. This was not an easy decision to make and we understand some of you will be disappointed with this change, but we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18. With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration."
    Link -
    https://mlb17.theshownation.com/news/10123-online-franchise-and-mlb-the-show-18
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2018/03/03/online-franchise-has-been-cut-from-mlb-the-show-18
    Oh yeaaahhh, I forgot about that major technology change. No mode is safe when you're changing technology on the fly like that, lol.
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    Jgainsey
    Oh yeaaahhh, I forgot about that major technology change. No mode is safe when you're changing technology on the fly like that, lol.
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    Isn't '18 basically the same game as '17? Just without on line franchise.
    Ballgame59
    What cracks me up is that they say -
    ...As such, Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. .... we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18.
    Isn't '18 basically the same game as '17? Just without on line franchise.

    same answer will be for build a stadium
    it will be 'we tried hard to get it in the game this year but couldn't that's been the answer the past 3 years. 5 years ago they were talking about import a player into franchise we have heard nothing since.
    Stale is the word we are looking for. unless it is stuff in DD
    Ballgame59
    I agree. Pretty crappy not letting us know before pre orders were available.
    Here's their post about it last year. At least one of them.
    "Online Franchise mode didn’t make the cut this year. This was not an easy decision to make and we understand some of you will be disappointed with this change, but we believe focusing on continuing to improve our online performance was the right priority for The Show 18. With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration."
    Isn't DD mostly grinding vs CPU ??
    Link -
    https://mlb17.theshownation.com/news/10123-online-franchise-and-mlb-the-show-18
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2018/03/03/online-franchise-has-been-cut-from-mlb-the-show-18

    After reading this now, I can't believe people still support this game. Talk about a slap in the face.
    In my opinion this is inexcusable, they should have prioritized this implementation after 'not being able to get it in' last year.
    The devs should be ashamed!
    lDyNoMiTel
    In my opinion this is inexcusable, they should have prioritized this implementation after 'not being able to get it in' last year.
    The devs should be ashamed!

    I believe that it has nothing to do with time or money. Somehow, someway, online franchise messes with the servers and disrupts DD. This Is coming from me, an offline Franchise and DD player. Never played online franchise, never got into it. I just question the reason for not including.
    ninertravel
    no MVP would just bring in MUT that ultimate team rubbish that started this decline in sports game that they try and feed us into our face. this whole 'deluxe edition' I couldn't care less if your gonna give me 34904950 stubs I will not pay more for that crap. I hate in franchise when all those cards come up I can't hit x enough times I must have over a million stubs I never used over the years, that is how much I couldn't care less about that mode.
    Maybe I am getting to old but I like to play a sports game for the sport.
    what's gonna be next DD mode only play your own franchise and earn stubs to edit players?? or earn stubs to unlock equipment in franchise?? or you can pay REAL money and just unlock it now!
    the video game market crash is coming... the sporting one maybe well here soon. There will be a time when the DD lovers will grow up and get fed up of the mode and bored. then the sales will go down because it's the only mode focused on and then we have the massive crash.

    Don’t give them anymore ideas then they have already implemented with this DD rubbish crapt mode taking over RTTS last year and looking like it really has invaded this year ..When it does take over Franchise which I have feeling they are adding some kind of way this year I will be done with this game .. RBI baseball is already got my preorder this year first time ever where the show has not and will not get my preorder this year !!
    These are all cosmetic changes and additions till PS5 comes out. They will already be working on the next generation which hopefully they will do a great job on. For my baseball fix this year it’s OOTP and MLB 18. But given the amazing quality of other games out there and Netflix are all competing for attention. Maybe someone should start a kickstarter campaign for a proper franchise game that is as deep ats OOTP but you can play like MLB the show, that would be awesome!
    This is wrong. DD is a fine mode. I played it alot. But it's not the end to all be mode. That's all I feel like this team is focused on. Like 80% goes into DD.
    They are so damn busy adding new challenges and players to unlock. They forget about offline and franchise players.
    Turn on the game.... new DD stuff. But they didn't even have the real time stats accurate in Quick Play?
    It's all about players forking over $$$ for stubs. That's all it is. With a few upgrades here and there.
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    Very disappointing news but not unexpected. At least the told us now instead of the BS they pulled last year. I have a full 32 team online madden league that would gladly all do a Show league if it was possible. I’m still holding out hope that they’re working on a fully integrated franchise mode that’s offline and online like CFM is in Madden for the PS5. If it’s absent on the first PS5 show then I’ll just be straight up angry. But until then I’m trying to be patient and understanding.
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    I am not surprised by this. The way they discussed it last year made it sound like it was not coming back for a while, if at all. I would expect to see a DD league setup before a regular franchise one.
    Not an Online Franchise player, but as a hardcore offline Franchise player, it hurts to see them basically cutting ties to anything with the mode in lieu of more DD attention.
    Unfortunately, SDS is veering into territory where I don't even want to support them anymore.
    JH927
    Not an Online Franchise player, but as a hardcore offline Franchise player, it hurts to see them basically cutting ties to anything with the mode in lieu of more DD attention.
    Unfortunately, SDS is veering into territory where I don't even want to support them anymore.

    I don't play online either but this is again disappointing for those who do and were hoping for it back in the game this year.
    JH927
    Not an Online Franchise player, but as a hardcore offline Franchise player, it hurts to see them basically cutting ties to anything with the mode in lieu of more DD attention.
    Unfortunately, SDS is veering into territory where I don't even want to support them anymore.
    That's kind of how I'm feeling. Been with them for so long. But they changing up these days
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    I don't have a PS4, but was thinking of buying one just for The Show like I did a PS3. However with the missing Season Mode and now Online Franchise, I will pass until this game is once again full-featured (if it ever is again).
    It is almost like Sony San Diego is making this a "self-fulfilling prophecy". They claim they remove things because people don't play it. Well, people didn't play online franchise because online was subpar and buggy from what I read, so then they can have an excuse to remove it. Then they remove season mode because not enough people play it. It's shouldn't be about how many people play something, it should be about not taking away things you have already put in the game, It's called VALUE.
    With no real competition, Sony can justify this as EA or 2K do not have a baseball game coming out. Could you imagine if MVP or 2K19 was just around the corner and had online franchise or season mode, how would Sony save face if they were getting beat head to head like that?
    I remember when MLB The Show was a "system seller". It sold me a PS3. Soon this self-fulfilling prophecy may cause Sony to say "not enough people are buying our game or our diamond dynasty cards, so we have to stop making MLB The Show", when the real reason was Sony took away the good things that kept us buying in the first place.
    I am not an online franchise player and never would be, just doesn't interest me, however I can definitely understand the vitriol from the community regarding this. Honestly, my biggest peeve out of all of this was the fact that the developers CLEARLY said last year that online franchise didn't make the cut this year, implying that it would be coming back. And they did this for a reason . . . they didn't want to lose those customers who did purchase the game solely for online franchise. If you keep people thinking something is coming back, they will continue supporting it until they definitively realize it's not coming back. I don't blame the devs, they are only coders and you can't blame Ramone, he's just the spokesman. It's the higher ups who told them to break the news without losing that demographic. They're shady, they've been shady and they will continue to be shady, so long as it makes them money. I said this before and I'll say it again, SDS is ALL ABOUT MONEY at this point, plain and simple. Yes, businesses have to turn a profit, but when you literally ignore an entire demographic to focus on microtransactions and increased revenue streams, that's downright ludicrous. Everyone wants to make money, but not at the expense of losing part of your client base - that's all they did, they told us what they thought we wanted to hear to keep us buying the game.
    Padgoi
    I am not an online franchise player and never would be, just doesn't interest me, however I can definitely understand the vitriol from the community regarding this. Honestly, my biggest peeve out of all of this was the fact that the developers CLEARLY said last year that online franchise didn't make the cut this year, implying that it would be coming back. And they did this for a reason . . . they didn't want to lose those customers who did purchase the game solely for online franchise. If you keep people thinking something is coming back, they will continue supporting it until they definitively realize it's not coming back. I don't blame the devs, they are only coders and you can't blame Ramone, he's just the spokesman. It's the higher ups who told them to break the news without losing that demographic. They're shady, they've been shady and they will continue to be shady, so long as it makes them money. I said this before and I'll say it again, SDS is ALL ABOUT MONEY at this point, plain and simple. Yes, businesses have to turn a profit, but when you literally ignore an entire demographic to focus on microtransactions and increased revenue streams, that's downright ludicrous. Everyone wants to make money, but not at the expense of losing part of your client base - that's all they did, they told us what they thought we wanted to hear to keep us buying the game.

    This isn't the first time. During a stream like 4-5 years ago or something, Ramone said that importing newly created players from roster updates into existing franchise was something they worked on but they "just couldn't get it in this year". Half a decade later, still waiting...
    baumy300
    Absolutely. Someone somewhere at SDS sits in an office and sees it's the only way, aka bottom line that DD makes them money after the game has been purchased. People in offices don't care about gameplay, graphics, modes, etc... Only money. Devs get their marching orders and we get what they give us. The end. Not even an online Franchise guy and never will be, but they took my Season mode away last year and came for others this year. They're no different than any other sports game out right now either, which is unfortunately the future. That's why I am already happy with just new uniforms. Keep low expectations - Suffer less disappointment.

    I don’t think it’s a given that people will want to pour money into a single mode every year for however long SDS continue to make this game. At some stage most will stop wanting to pay for a card they already bought before many times and for what? There’s no million dollar tournament at the end of it.
    On the other hand, if SDS has the imagination to figure out how they could monetise franchise mode (I can think of a bunch), those guys are more likely to come back every year as most of us have done for a decade or more already.
    underdog13
    Am I the only one who didn't think they were bringing it back? Same with season mode it's gonna be long gone.
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    Nope. I am shocked how many people seem to be surprised by this announcement.
    Dolenz
    Nope. I am shocked how many people seem to be surprised by this announcement.

    I think the biggest reason for the disappointment is the fact they left the door open for Online Franchise's return. Granted, I did not necessarily expect for it to return either, but that they made it seem like it might have only been a "one year off" thing to adjust to new servers/technology kept a lot of peoples' hopes up.
    I think these are the lines from the SDS announcement last year that would be the ones to upset those hoping for Online Franchise to return:
    "With the major technology change this year it wasn’t possible to just leave in the previous mode without alteration.
    Please know that Online Franchise fans are not forgotten and every new year offers an opportunity to evaluate our plans."
    SDS will cut offline franchise mode in the next few years as they feel like this section of their customer base are too few to matter. If it is not cut, it may not even get one developer full time, maybe a part time one. Actually, it may be part of the plan to convince us to go elsewhere.
    underdog13
    Am I the only one who didn't think they were bringing it back? Same with season mode it's gonna be long gone.
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    Season mode possibly coming back with the new March to October game mode tho?
    Guys remember the course. Online franchise was really last updated in 2015 and never touched after that and got played less and less. Sound familiar?
    Offline franchise gets small year 2 year updates until it gets played less and less and they get to the point of not bothering to off any updates to it.
    In words of GOLDBERG - Who's Next?
    It's coming guys they got rid of online franchise in favor of DD don't think for a sec it can't happen to you the mode u love the mode that u only play, the reason u buy the game. By there calculations if numbers are low and they will get there if they stop giving major upgrades to offline franchise it will get played less and less and then they remove it. Sound familiar?
    Probably the truth behind no intentions on adding expansion or create a park because there more about DD and want online franchise and offline franchise buyers to play less of those modes and be forced to only play DD! Wake up fellas this is intentional.
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    The Kid 24
    Season mode possibly coming back with the new March to October game mode tho?
    If I was a betting man? No. Not as we knew it.
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    The Kid 24
    Season mode possibly coming back with the new March to October game mode tho?

    I don't think it will be the season mode that was once there. I believe it will be similar (one season with limited roster), but I believe its a separate mode from just season mode.
    Guess we'll find out soon enough.
    countryboy
    I don't think it will be the season mode that was once there. I believe it will be similar (one season with limited roster), but I believe its a separate mode from just season mode.
    Guess we'll find out soon enough.

    I thought season mode before would go longer than 1 season?
    Houston

    In words of GOLDBERG - Who's Next?
    It's coming guys they got rid of online franchise in favor of DD don't think for a sec it can't happen to you the mode u love the mode that u only play, the reason u buy the game. By there calculations if numbers are low and they will get there if they stop giving major upgrades to offline franchise it will get played less and less and then they remove it. Sound familiar?
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    First they came for King of the Diamond, I did not speak out for I wasn't a king.
    Then they came for Rivalry mode, I did not speak out for I didn't have a rival.
    Then they came for Online Franchise and Season mode, I did not speak out for I only played franchise.
    Then I have no punch line to end this, For I am not as funny as Caulfield.
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    You guys really think Franchise mode will be removed? Idk, I just can't see that.
    I thought I remember them saying they have numbers that show there's plenty of people who play Franchise.
    It's amazing that we're in the year 2019 and there is no online season/franchise mode in this game. A mode that was readily available on PS3! The technology has only gotten better.
    Diamond Dynasty is the absolute direct cause of this. When they "re-did" online franchise a few years ago, they tied all of it to the shownation website. The same website that handles all the DD transactions. Online franchise interfered with it. If the shownation website stops working correctly and people can't buy stubs and do micro transactions, that takes money out of their pocket.
    So instead of figuring out a way to "fix" the online portion of it, they decided it's better for their bottom line to just remove the mode. And they pointed to lack of playing time in the mode for the reason it was removed. Ignoring the fact that the mode was broken for 3 years! Of course nobody but the die hards are going to sit there for hours getting everything semi functional so they could play a few seasons. On top of that you had to deal with server issues, games not registering, seasons not advancing to the playoffs, etc.. Why would people play a broken mode? How does the mode remain broken for 3 years straight?! You would think a little testing before the game shipped would go a long way but SCEA was content to release the game with a broken mode so they didn't lose those sales. We have every right to be aggravated.
    Diamond Dynasty has completely changed the way this company operates. It's all about the bottom line. People will rush out to buy this game day 1 for $60, meanwhile it'll probably go down to $40 by May 15 and it'll be $20 by end of summer. Why? Because game "sales" don't matter. It goes by # of units. They sell 400K copies for $60, another 100k for $40. Still counts the same as a copy sold regardless of price. The cheaper the game is, the more casuals might pick it up and then they might be more willing to pump extra money into DD.
    Us online franchise guys weren't asking for much. I'm sure 90% would have been okay even with a stripped down bare bones online franchise (or even just an online season mode at this point) that did NOT tie to the shownation website. Then every year add a little more, without breaking the mode, to keep the small but vocal crowd happy.
    You can't sit there and tell me the quality control for this game hasn't gone downhill. We got what like 17 patches for the game last year? It's a complete mess. But this is what happens when you shift all focus to 1 game mode for 4 years now while ignoring pretty much everything else.
    The Kid 24
    You guys really think Franchise mode will be removed? Idk, I just can't see that.
    I thought I remember them saying they have numbers that show there's plenty of people who play Franchise.

    They won't remove it. It will just get minimal updates, as we've seen over the last couple of years. It seems like contract extensions will be this year's "Phases"...the one new thing they add to the mode. Perhaps next year it will be rotating interleague schedules.
    The Kid 24
    You guys really think Franchise mode will be removed? Idk, I just can't see that.
    I thought I remember them saying they have numbers that show there's plenty of people who play Franchise.

    I don't see franchise mode going anywhere. Its a staple of sports games.
    Houston
    Guys remember the course. Online franchise was really last updated in 2015 and never touched after that and got played less and less. Sound familiar?
    Offline franchise gets small year 2 year updates until it gets played less and less and they get to the point of not bothering to off any updates to it.
    In words of GOLDBERG - Who's Next?
    It's coming guys they got rid of online franchise in favor of DD don't think for a sec it can't happen to you the mode u love the mode that u only play, the reason u buy the game. By there calculations if numbers are low and they will get there if they stop giving major upgrades to offline franchise it will get played less and less and then they remove it. Sound familiar?
    Probably the truth behind no intentions on adding expansion or create a park because there more about DD and want online franchise and offline franchise buyers to play less of those modes and be forced to only play DD! Wake up fellas this is intentional.
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    Only one flaw in your logic here.
    The numbers of people that play franchise aren’t low at all.
    You’re making this stretch comparing it to two modes that actually DID have low numbers.
    The Kid 24
    Agreed! I just cant see them removing a huge mode like that.

    Well we all thought the same exact thing about online franchise and I was asked in the past do I see them ever removing it and I always said no way as I thought at the time online is where it is at as far as sports games go. To me your top sports are NFL, MLB and NBA along with NHL etc etc...
    So how is it americas past time a top sport doesnt have online leagues? Every other top sport does and has have had it for years. I cant swearo n NHL because I dont play hockey.
    Anyways my point is how can you release a baseball game without leagues?
    Yeah way too much doom and gloom about offline franchise mode guys. It is not going anywhere. A ton of people play it. More than you think.
    It is just not a continuous revenue stream like Diamond Dynasty is. We all know this ad nausea.
    But the real doom and gloom posts about it going away soon are a little much. It’s not.
    And if it does.....I will not be playing the game anymore. I will just keep what I have. Pretty simple. Nothing to get all worked up about.
    Its a toy. Not a vital organ.
    Houston
    Well we all thought the same exact thing about online franchise and I was asked in the past do I see them ever removing it and I always said no way as I thought at the time online is where it is at as far as sports games go. To me your top sports are NFL, MLB and NBA along with NHL etc etc...
    So how is it americas past time a top sport doesnt have online leagues? Every other top sport does and has have had it for years. I cant swearo n NHL because I dont play hockey.
    Anyways my point is how can you release a baseball game without leagues?

    The death of online franchise mode was easy to see coming for The Show. It was bug ridden, and the quality of online play stunk to begin with (still does IMO).
    Very easy to see that heading that way. Offline Franchise mode is on another planet compared to what the online mode offered. Online franchise mode stunk. People made it work because it was the only choice they had. I tried it several times. It was horrible and was never touched. They abandoned it when they saw online play was dominated by Diamond Dynasty. I am still miffed why they have not integrated online league play for Diamond Dynasty since the mode is so popular.
    Anyway.
    Armor and Sword
    Yeah way too much doom and gloom about offline franchise mode guys. It is not going anywhere. A ton of people play it. More than you think.
    It is just not a continuous revenue stream like Diamond Dynasty is. We all know this ad nausea.
    But the real doom and gloom posts about it going away soon are a little much. It’s not.
    And if it does.....I will not be playing the game anymore. I will just keep what I have. Pretty simple. Nothing to get all worked up about.
    Its a toy. Not a vital organ.

    offline franchise won't be taken out, not any time soon. Instead it's more likely to be left to wither and die, while the more profitable modes get constantly upgraded. So when they do eventually take it out, people will be saying what you said in your next post, that it was a terrible, buggy mode that people didn't play. That's how you kill something, particularly something popular.
    BigOscar
    offline franchise won't be taken out, not any time soon. Instead it's more likely to be left to wither and die, while the more profitable modes get constantly upgraded. So when they do eventually take it out, people will be saying what you said in your next post, that it was a terrible, buggy mode that people didn't play. That's how you kill something, particularly something popular.

    Funny thing is while we want more under the hood improvements to franchise mode it is not a buggy mess for me. I have made it work really well with 30 team control. The same effort that people took with online franchise mode (which was a buggy mess and awful gameplay which to me is the death of any mode or game for that matter). I have taken with offline franchise mode.
    It get’s ripped apart and I get it. But it works for me in it’s current state. I want more....we all want more, and hopefully we will get incremental upgrades. Because it has all been incremental since 12.
    I don’t think offline franchise mode is going anywhere for a long time.
    These conspiracy theories are getting out of hand...:google:
    I understand people are upset and disappointed that online franchise is not in the game, but we are reaching another level here boys.
    :lol:
    kehlis
    Only one flaw in your logic here.
    The numbers of people that play franchise aren’t low at all.
    You’re making this stretch comparing it to two modes that actually DID have low numbers.

    I agree, offline franchise you would think is the foundation of this game going all the way back to 989 and it will never get cut, but after the direction they have decided to go with anger more and more and eventually same as online franchise the numbers will not be the same.
    I have been in this form the beginning when what they thought was leagues compared to where I came from to the show was 2K. At first there leagues were bar boned (THESHOW) 40 man rosters, no real schedule, we had 1 home and one away game when I arrived on the scene. Trhu my wish list I want to believe and talking with a DEV I became good friends with at the time eventually got things added.
    Player search
    Real MLB schedule
    Option to reset games
    Expanded rosters not just 40 man
    They and many people dont give online franchise enough credit, despite what they cliam the numbers are and were I know plenty of peole who came from XBOX 360 allong with me who were die hard league guys and had passion like I do for baseball. There are thousands of leagues well were 1000 of leagues LOL People did still play it without updates, server issues and especially the glitches with setting up leagues that took 2 months to activate a league on MLB 17. We all still played thru it all that like to play our friends, competitive people to have stat tracking and quality games without all of the cut throat people who played rank lobby matches and now in DD.
    I lived thru a lot of in and outs with this game and leagues, not seeing the same hting your opponent sees, having to pause game and wait for your opponent to connect back due to latency or network interference. At times I felt like I worked for NASA with all the work arounds we had to go thru, but we all did it because theres nothing like playing a legit person that plays fair and you get that realistic game and get to talk about baseball or sports as you play them. Playing the CPU is just not fun to me anymore, I will take playing naother human person anyday.
    If any of you go back and look at my wish list most of it has to do with online franchise and of course offline roster stuff that would help get rosters ready for a onlnie league thats why I did rosters to begin with. I was in talks like I do every year behind the scenes with them and neer would come out with if leagues would be here this year, Got the same response last year that I have some great ideas and they had made a folder on me and would pass everything along. This went on from October to here recently to come to find out Victor was the only one who finally came out and told the community on shownation that there will be no online franchise which hes just a forum mod and does slides for them during the streams I am sure the higher ups had him do it and people were not pre ordering until they knew if it was in or out.
    Well thats all I half to say about this and good luck to you guys who continue to support it, to me it's a slap in the face as much as I have contribute to them over the years. I nkow theres millions who buy and play the game they dont make it just for me, but im sure theres others that contribute just as much as Ih ave that probably feel they got the shaft.
    Here is my post and threads over the years at theshownation.
    https://theshownation.com/users/Houston-Brewer/post_history?fbclid=IwAR1NNZnkdER2tuoQSGCu4KeP3p4nK8tJDR4TWt6Ur-sUP580Z5CXsKyuyGs
    You can also find many threads here on OS where I try to provided rosters, height & weight changes, Pitch edits along other useful things to make this a better game or a more enjoyable game for many here. Someone else will half to do those type of list because my days of doing anything related to MLB THE SHOW is over!
    Armor and Sword
    The same effort that people took with online franchise mode (which was a buggy mess and awful gameplay which to me is the death of any mode or game for that matter).

    A buggy mess, agree there 100%. It absolutely was a buggy mess but so are half the other modes in this game.
    Awful gameplay? Online franchise used the same servers diamond dynasty uses. If online gameplay is so awful then why is DD the most played game mode? Why did they spend so much to overhaul the servers last year?
    The "effort" we took involved back end stuff and resolving/fixing games that froze or were never registered in the standings. Has absolutely nothing to do with online gameplay. There was never any lag when you actually got in a game. It was after the game (stats, final scores not showing up) where the problems really start. The mode itself was . They continued to release a broken version for years.
    But bottom line..This is an online franchise thread. If you didn't play the mode and don't care, why post in this thread?! There's 100 other threads you can talk about what a great game this is. Nobody here is getting all worked up over a video game. We're simply expressing disappointment.
    Armor and Sword
    Funny thing is while we want more under the hood improvements to franchise mode it is not a buggy mess for me. I have made it work really well with 30 team control. The same effort that people took with online franchise mode (which was a buggy mess and awful gameplay which to me is the death of any mode or game for that matter). I have taken with offline franchise mode.
    It get’s ripped apart and I get it. But it works for me in it’s current state. I want more....we all want more, and hopefully we will get incremental upgrades. Because it has all been incremental since 12.
    I don’t think offline franchise mode is going anywhere for a long time.

    I was more looking long term. If the trend for what's gone on with franchise continues for the next 5 years, 10 years, while DD and RTTS continue to get big improvements each year, franchise will eventually look pretty pathetic in comparison. There will have to come a point where they actually dedicate genuine resources to it if it's not going to get left behind and they've not shown a whole lot of desire to do that.
    online franchise would have kept on, limping along, being a buggy mess that they just left untouched every year, except they came to a point where something changed so that they either had expend resources to fix it, or dump it and they decided to do the latter.
    ninertravel
    is anyone really surprised by this??
    I am a offline guy, but I can really understand peoples frustration.
    sporting games are really on the decline. it aint about the sport anymore it's about the fantasy and cards

    Summed up perfectly.
    They removed this last year and it annoyed the heck outta me. This year I think I’m going to skip this year’s game. It’s the mode I played the most and I just can’t reward these games when they do stuff like this. This is very disappointing to me..
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    DamnYanks2
    That's kind of how I'm feeling. Been with them for so long. But they changing up these days
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    Eventually, everyone sells out.
    countryboy
    These conspiracy theories are getting out of hand...:google:
    I understand people are upset and disappointed that online franchise is not in the game, but we are reaching another level here boys.
    :lol:

    Damn, cb, keep talking like that and they'll say it was you on the grassy knoll :lol:
    Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
    Caulfield
    Damn, cb, keep talking like that and they'll say it was you on the grassy knoll
    Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
    Nice game pretty boy!
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    countryboy
    These conspiracy theories are getting out of hand...:google:
    I understand people are upset and disappointed that online franchise is not in the game, but we are reaching another level here boys.
    :lol:

    It's fine for them to be upset, this game is worse than Madden in the eyes of many these days. Sad how far it's fallen. Some of us remember when MLB was considered the gold standard for sports games. Now it's just...not to put it nicely. The gameplay keeps getting worse and catering more to casual players, the additions to franchise mode are laughable at best and that mode is stale and boring after 3-4 years of very few updates. It's just DD this, DD that just like Madden. The difference is Madden actually kept their online franchise in, and it works quite well. SDS didn't even bother to do that, they just decided that if they weren't making money off it then who cares about their fans that play it. That's bad business and no one should defend it. Then the wording they chose to use last year made it worse. Shady to say the least.
    I always thought The Show could benefit a lot by having a casual mode and simulation mode of gameplay.
    They're not much into giving people choices lately though.
    I was one of the people who preferred to play season mode in the past.
    redsfan4life
    It's fine for them to be upset, this game is worse than Madden in the eyes of many these days. Sad how far it's fallen. Some of us remember when MLB was considered the gold standard for sports games. Now it's just...not to put it nicely. The gameplay keeps getting worse and catering more to casual players, the additions to franchise mode are laughable at best and that mode is stale and boring after 3-4 years of very few updates. It's just DD this, DD that just like Madden. The difference is Madden actually kept their online franchise in, and it works quite well. SDS didn't even bother to do that, they just decided that if they weren't making money off it then who cares about their fans that play it. That's bad business and no one should defend it. Then the wording they chose to use last year made it worse. Shady to say the least.

    I never said it wasn't fine for them to be upset. In fact in the post you quoted, I said I understand the frustration and disappointment. I even said that in my initial response in this thread to this news.
    But this talk that SDS is purposely tanking franchise mode so that they are justified to remove it later in favor of DD is preposterous at best. If they are trying to steer people away from franchise mode, then why did they take the time to add PHASES to help more casual fans understand the intricacies of franchise mode? Why did they add Critical Situations and the ability to jump in and out of simmed games in franchise mode? They did both of those things to open the mode up to a bigger audience. So why would they take the time to try to open the mode to a bigger audience if their secret plan all along is to slowly kill the mode so they could remove it? It makes absolutely no sense.
    Again, frustration and disappointment over online franchise is one thing. But completely making up theories out of that frustration and disappointment is ridiculous.
    If only some brave soul from SDS we’re allowed to provide some insight on the direction the game is headed, and reasons why modes are gutted, preferred over others, etc. Perhaps it would slow down the conspiracy theories. Or... maybe they like the madness lol :y11:
    PhilliesFan13
    That.....is one magic loogy.
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    I saw Countryboy behind the bushes by the gravely road...
    Well, I'm sorry I posted sympathy and support for the online franchise group since I don't play online and it was mentioned the likes of me shouldn't post here. I wish I had a good conspiracy theory of my own, but I'm just not that imaginative; I guess I'll just wait to see what is in the game when it comes out and hopefully learn from folks here to make decision.
    pingponggame
    If only some brave soul from SDS we’re allowed to provide some insight on the direction the game is headed, and reasons why modes are gutted, preferred over others, etc. Perhaps it would slow down the conspiracy theories. Or... maybe they like the madness lol :y11:

    A) Would anybody believe them?
    B) Anyone who is honest with themselves should already know the answers. That with the resources they have, they are simply focusing on the game modes that get played the most and provide the most income.
    countryboy
    I never said it wasn't fine for them to be upset. In fact in the post you quoted, I said I understand the frustration and disappointment. I even said that in my initial response in this thread to this news.
    But this talk that SDS is purposely tanking franchise mode so that they are justified to remove it later in favor of DD is preposterous at best. If they are trying to steer people away from franchise mode, then why did they take the time to add PHASES to help more casual fans understand the intricacies of franchise mode? Why did they add Critical Situations and the ability to jump in and out of simmed games in franchise mode? They did both of those things to open the mode up to a bigger audience. So why would they take the time to try to open the mode to a bigger audience if their secret plan all along is to slowly kill the mode so they could remove it? It makes absolutely no sense.
    Again, frustration and disappointment over online franchise is one thing. But completely making up theories out of that frustration and disappointment is ridiculous.
    It's not a conspiracy theory. It's the facts of so called next gen gaming now. From a business standpoint it makes absolute sense. You got people paying half their paycheck for stubs and it's a very lucrative business. You can't blame them. It just sucks for us.
    But they are chasing the money. Why invest time and effort in to franchise. When you got people paying for packs and stubs for Diamond Dynasty? All these big sports games do this now.
    My friend last night paid 100 bucks to open nba 2k packs. Same **** as DD. This is where it's at. The rest of us get screwed.
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    Dolenz
    A) Would anybody believe them?
    B) Anyone who is honest with themselves should already know the answers. That with the resources they have, they are simply focusing on the game modes that get played the most and provide the most income.
    Exactly. Right on the money.
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    DamnYanks2
    It's not a conspiracy theory. It's the facts of so called next gen gaming now. From a business standpoint it makes absolute sense. You got people paying half their paycheck for stubs and it's a very lucrative business. You can't blame them. It just sucks for us.
    But they are chasing the money. Why invest time and effort in to franchise. When you got people paying for packs and stubs for Diamond Dynasty? All these big sports games do this now.
    My friend last night paid 100 bucks to open nba 2k packs. Same **** as DD. This is where it's at. The rest of us get screwed.
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    So you know for a fact that SDS is purposely not updating franchise mode because they are going to remove it?
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    countryboy
    So you know for a fact that SDS is purposely not updating franchise mode because they are going to remove it?
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    No. But I do know that other modes aren't getting attention the way they should because of DD.
    DD is the cash cow. That's where the majority of the attention is going. All games are doing this stuff from sports games to FPS with their loot boxes. Welcome to next gen gaming.
    The offline player is all but dead.
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    DamnYanks2
    No.
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    Then it’s a theory, which is what I said in response to all this talk that SDS is purposely tanking franchise mode so they can be justified in removing it later.
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    countryboy
    Then it’s a theory, which is what I said in response to all this talk that SDS is purposely tanking franchise mode so they can be justified in removing it later.
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    Look man I've always loved this series and its developers like you. But its clear to me DD is where it's at now. They've gotten very lazy on everything else.
    As for the theory. I never said I believe that. But I do know for a fact they aren't focused on it. And just scrapping online franchise is just wrong and pure laziness.
    Can't even update real time stats during daily matchups. Yea I'm salty with this company. They pulling the same **** EA does and I never thought I'd see the day.
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    DamnYanks2
    Look man I've always loved this series and its developers like you. But its clear to me DD is where it's at now. They've gotten very lazy on everything else.
    As for the theory. I never said I believe that. But I do know for a fact they aren't focused on it. And just scrapping online franchise is just wrong and pure laziness.
    Can't even update real time stats during daily matchups. Yea I'm salty with this company. They pulling the same **** EA does and I never thought I'd see the day.
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    My whole theory comment was in reference to the talk that they were tanking franchise mode purposely in order to be justified in removing it later. You responded saying it wasn’t a theory.
    You didn’t need to counter my comment in order to state your opinion of where their focus lies. I didn’t challenge that opinion from anyone.
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    countryboy
    My whole theory comment was in reference to the talk that they were tanking franchise mode purposely in order to be justified in removing it later. You responded saying it wasn’t a theory.
    You didn’t need to counter my comment in order to state your opinion of where their focus lies. I didn’t challenge that opinion from anyone.
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    That's fair. I think you're just missing the bigger picture. Alot of us are worried where this game is heading.
    I know you said you aren't challenging that opinion. But that's just how I'm feeling. Alot of us are. This series hasn't done anything innovative in awhile and its frustrating.
    That being said it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they did scrap franchise completely. Not buying in to the conspiracy. But I get that feeling.
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    DamnYanks2
    That's fair. I think you're just missing the bigger picture. Alot of us are worried where this game is heading.
    I know you said you aren't challenging that opinion. But that's just how I'm feeling. Alot of us are. This series hasn't done anything innovative in awhile and its frustrating.
    That being said it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they did scrap franchise completely. Not buying in to the conspiracy. But I get that feeling.
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    I’m not missing anything. I understand the feeling that their primary focus is DD. I don’t necessarily agree with it but I understand it.
    But I don’t agree that they are going to scrap franchise mode. If that was the plan, why would they make any improvements at all, however minimal one may view those to be? Wouldn’t they use that time and manpower towards DD and trying to figure out a plan to get more people into that mode?
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    NYYanks26
    A buggy mess, agree there 100%. It absolutely was a buggy mess but so are half the other modes in this game.
    Awful gameplay? Online franchise used the same servers diamond dynasty uses. If online gameplay is so awful then why is DD the most played game mode? Why did they spend so much to overhaul the servers last year?
    The "effort" we took involved back end stuff and resolving/fixing games that froze or were never registered in the standings. Has absolutely nothing to do with online gameplay. There was never any lag when you actually got in a game. It was after the game (stats, final scores not showing up) where the problems really start. The mode itself was . They continued to release a broken version for years.
    But bottom line..This is an online franchise thread. If you didn't play the mode and don't care, why post in this thread?! There's 100 other threads you can talk about what a great game this is. Nobody here is getting all worked up over a video game. We're simply expressing disappointment.

    I have no idea why DD online is so popular. If you think the actual gameplay online is good. Ok then.
    In fact I know plenty of OS’ers who play DD exclusively offline and I expect a much bigger suite of offline modes for DD to be coming because I can pretty much assure you SDS is seeing their telemetry stats showing a lot of offline DD is being played.
    Online gameplay stinks IMO. It is simply not even the same game. I gave online franchise/DD plenty of chances. And despite the buggy mess the backside was on franchise the actually gameplay stunk. Even with all the server upgraded etc, the game stinks online. Lag..yes, seeing one thing on your screen and another happening on the other players...check. Constant DC’s check. Sterile hitting and lack of variety...check. It stinks.
    And I can post wherever I want. I am not here bashing anyone.
    I merely giving an opinion. If you don’t like it or agree with it. Thats fine.
    I totally emphasize with all the guys who ran leagues and made it “work”. God bless you all who labored through the online play which IMO was also was very subpar. Not even on the same level of say Madden online. There servers are far more stable and the game plays a lot closer to the way it feels offline.
    I think online has been given the short end of the stick for all modes online with The Show. It is a major weakness in the series. And so it shocks me people play the game online as much as they do.
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    I hadn't realized that DD was that popular ON-LINE. Especially with all of the cheese.
    I view DD as a casual, fantasy, non-sim mode. This is the audience that SDS is catering to. Or are they trying to convince the die-hard baseball fans to try/play DD?
    Does anyone know when SDS' contract runs out with MLB?
    Ballgame59
    I hadn't realized that DD was that popular ON-LINE. Especially with all of the cheese.
    I view DD as a casual, fantasy, non-sim mode. This is the audience that SDS is catering to. Or are they trying to convince the die-hard baseball fans to try/play DD?
    Does anyone know when SDS' contract runs out with MLB?

    They don't have an exclusivity contract. No one does now. 2k was the last to have an exclusive license. But that license was only exclusive for 3rd party games, which meant the console companies (ie Sony) could still purchase the MLB rights to make a baseball game.
    At this stage, any developer is basically free to contract with MLB to make a baseball game. Unfortunately, the only competitor at the moment is RBI.
    Nothing would be better for baseball gaming than for EA to get back into baseball with the return of MVP Baseball. It may happen. These card games in sports games make these companies huge amounts of money, and I'm sure EA would love to add another sports game with a card game to its portfolio. I'm not saying MVP would be good, it would likely wouldn't be as good as the show, at least not for several years, but it would be competition, and that would make the show have to get better. Also, MVP could be the only baseball game on Xbox, the switch, and PC. So even if it was worse than the Show, it could outsell it.
    Ballgame59
    I hadn't realized that DD was that popular ON-LINE. Especially with all of the cheese.
    I view DD as a casual, fantasy, non-sim mode. This is the audience that SDS is catering to. Or are they trying to convince the die-hard baseball fans to try/play DD?
    Does anyone know when SDS' contract runs out with MLB?

    I don't know when SDS contract with MLB is up for renewal, but it doesn't matter. SDS does not hold an exclusive contract on the MLB license. Anyone can make a MLB licensed game if they wanted. Microsoft, 2K, EA, or anyone else can produce a game, they just choose not to.
    Bondsfan
    They don't have an exclusivity contract. No one does now. 2k was the last to have an exclusive license. But that license was only exclusive for 3rd party games, which meant the console companies (ie Sony) could still purchase the MLB rights to make a baseball game.
    At this stage, any developer is basically free to contract with MLB to make a baseball game. Unfortunately, the only competitor at the moment is RBI.

    Thanks for the insight. I was wondering why MLB have such a small company make their game. Just curious. And no doubt that EA would make an Ultimate Team mode. And with a decent following, SDS would probably have the upper hand with that mode so it would take something "exclusive" to attract those fans.
    I personally wish all 3 would get back into the baseball genre. EA bring back the MVP series, 2K bring back their baseball game, and Microsoft to resurrect the High Heat series, considering they still have the rights.
    There's no doubt that I'm a fan of the Show, but its always better to have choices and healthy competition.
    The only negative is that instead of buying 2 baseball games a year (Show and RBI), I'd be buying 5. :)
    countryboy
    I don't know when SDS contract with MLB is up for renewal, but it doesn't matter. SDS does not hold an exclusive contract on the MLB license. Anyone can make a MLB licensed game if they wanted. Microsoft, 2K, EA, or anyone else can produce a game, they just choose not to.

    I feel that baseball just isn't as popular as a video game anymore? The only way to appeal to the kids now-a-days is to make a DD/Ultimate Team mode.
    I wonder if OOTP, would ever consider making a game for play series since they specialize in Franchises. Or at least team up with someone like 2K to do it.
    countryboy
    I personally wish all 3 would get back into the baseball genre. EA bring back the MVP series, 2K bring back their baseball game, and Microsoft to resurrect the High Heat series, considering they still have the rights.
    There's no doubt that I'm a fan of the Show, but its always better to have choices and healthy competition.
    The only negative is that instead of buying 2 baseball games a year (Show and RBI), I'd be buying 5. :)

    I would love to see Acclaim bring back All Star Baseball. A game back in 1996 - 2005 that had expansion team and some other great features. :laugh:
    Hell that spirits baseball game if it was only sold in the US and had MLB liscense to have real MLB teams. Graphics are already there along with solid gameplay.
    countryboy
    I personally wish all 3 would get back into the baseball genre. EA bring back the MVP series, 2K bring back their baseball game, and Microsoft to resurrect the High Heat series, considering they still have the rights.
    There's no doubt that I'm a fan of the Show, but its always better to have choices and healthy competition.
    The only negative is that instead of buying 2 baseball games a year (Show and RBI), I'd be buying 5. :)
    I would really love to see microsoft develop High Heat again. Was my favorite baseball game until 2004 console mess...I played 2003 for years until Kolbe from SCEA on these boards got me on to mlb show. Went out and bought a ps3 for it.
    Kolbe was the one that really pushed franchise mode.
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    Ballgame59
    I feel that baseball just isn't as popular as a video game anymore? The only way to appeal to the kids now-a-days is to make a DD/Ultimate Team mode.
    I wonder if OOTP, would ever consider making a game for play series since they specialize in Franchises. Or at least team up with someone like 2K to do it.

    I'm not sure why other developers don't try to get back into the baseball genre. I know at one time there was speculation that EA was going to bring back the MVP series, but that rumor quickly vanished like a fart in the wind.
    I don't know if they feel that sales profit versus the cost of production plus the license aren't large enough, or what exactly the reason.
    Houston
    I would love to see Acclaim bring back All Star Baseball. A game back in 1996 - 2005 that had expansion team and some other great features. :laugh:
    Hell that spirits baseball game if it was only sold in the US and had MLB liscense to have real MLB teams. Graphics are already there along with solid gameplay.

    I thought Acclaim folded? I could be wrong.
    But yes I loved the All Star Baseball series as well. Hell I still play my expansion franchise every now and again of the Louisville Horsemen. Our home park is Whittaker Grounds and I made us in the AL Central so as not to compete with my Cardinals. :)
    Yeah I have the Pro Yakyu Spirits 2004 game on the PS2. Fun game, plays an excellent game of baseball. Of course the PS2 graphics are a bit dated, but its fun to play.
    I said that I'm buying 2 baseball games this year but it will actually be 3 as I'll buy the Pro Yakyu Spirits game coming out in April of this year.
    countryboy
    I'm not sure why other developers don't try to get back into the baseball genre. I know at one time there was speculation that EA was going to bring back the MVP series, but that rumor quickly vanished like a fart in the wind.
    I don't know if they feel that sales profit versus the cost of production plus the license aren't large enough, or what exactly the reason.
    I thought Acclaim folded? I could be wrong.
    But yes I loved the All Star Baseball series as well. Hell I still play my expansion franchise every now and again of the Louisville Horsemen. Our home park is Whittaker Grounds and I made us in the AL Central so as not to compete with my Cardinals. :)
    Yeah I have the Pro Yakyu Spirits 2004 game on the PS2. Fun game, plays an excellent game of baseball. Of course the PS2 graphics are a bit dated, but its fun to play.
    I said that I'm buying 2 baseball games this year but it will actually be 3 as I'll buy the Pro Yakyu Spirits game coming out in April of this year.



    Another baseball game that was ahead of its time.
    Houston


    Another baseball game that was ahead of its time.


    Yeah that is the one that I still play. Nothing like having a player miss a game due to diarrhea...:lol:
    It's amazing how things have changed. This series was the poster child for sports franchises when it came to gameplay, transparency, updates, and depth. I picked up a PS3 and PS4 just for this game. Fast forward to now, and it's Sony's other exclusives, not MLB, keeping me in the Playstation ecosystem. I've gone from trying to figure out how I can get it early to not getting it at all.
    For me, it's not really about the online franchise. I've just become disinterested in the series in general. For years I was tired of the broken launches and then the lack of updates in modes that I cared about. I know it's early, but this year is starting to feel like every other year.
    I get it, though. The studio might have monetary goals that they have to hit. You don't hit higher goals by investing a lot of time in things that don't increase DLC revenue when your dev team isn't as large as other teams. I understand it, but that doesn't mean that I'm happy with the direction especially considering how much I used to look forward to this game.
    this sucks for me because this is one of the modes that will basically make me buy this game again.
    I just don't agree with games cutting out options like this in sports games.. instead I think they should be adding more options and new modes. I think every sports game should have at least the same options that NBA2K has... and right now MLB is so far behind in this area and it's making their game appeal look weaker and weaker every year.. because not only are they taking game modes like this away but they haven't added any new ones when they should be doing that at least every other year. also it's great they have DD online but online franchise is good for the older slower pace crowd like me that doesn't play online every day and can just play online with their friends at their own pace in an online franchise and enjoy it. I mean I know i'm being selfish but that's all i want to do with this game is play that... nothing else
    i look at online franchise mode with friends like playing fantasy baseball... that's what it was like for me,, it was still great even with all it's issues the last time MLB the show had it
    As long as the offline stuff is good, I’ll buy it. I don’t think I’ve done anything other than RTTS and rarely an offline franchise.
    I’m just hoping RTTS gets a new feature or two plus the attribute system goes back to quality of AB instead of currently how it’s done.
    stevostl
    this sucks for me because this is one of the modes that will basically make me buy this game again....
    i look at online franchise mode with friends like playing fantasy baseball... that's what it was like for me,, it was still great even with all it's issues the last time MLB the show had it

    Same here. I never would have even bought the game in '14 if not for On-line franchise. In fact, I wasn't friends with my league mates until AFTER I played with these guys. Since then, I've traveled to different states to go to meet up with some of these fellas.
    And - YNWA! Good result today.
    DamnYanks2
    Look man I've always loved this series and its developers like you. But its clear to me DD is where it's at now. They've gotten very lazy on everything else.
    As for the theory. I never said I believe that. But I do know for a fact they aren't focused on it. And just scrapping online franchise is just wrong and pure laziness.
    Can't even update real time stats during daily matchups. Yea I'm salty with this company. They pulling the same **** EA does and I never thought I'd see the day.
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    It’s sad to say this but I agree. This is also what happens when there’s no competition. I personally rather have online franchise the way it was before than to have it taken away and have no online franchise at all. It’s inexcusable to remove online franchise. Their main focus is DD because it’s their money maker. For years I always played online leagues in this game and now that’s just a memory. But since we don’t have options on mlb games to buy most will still go out and buy this game even after them doing stuff like this. This is very disappointing. We criticized EA many years for doing stuff like this and praised SDS for being the game with Devs that came on this site and listened to us and interacted with the forum.
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    Artman22
    It’s sad to say this but I agree. This is also what happens when there’s no competition. I personally rather have online franchise the way it was before than to have it taken away and have no online franchise at all. It’s inexcusable to remove online franchise. Their main focus is DD because it’s their money maker. For years I always played online leagues in this game and now that’s just a memory. But since we don’t have options on mlb games to buy most will still go out and buy this game even after them doing stuff like this. This is very disappointing. We criticized EA many years for doing stuff like this and praised SDS for being the game with Devs that came on this site and listened to us and interacted with the forum.
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    I agree with this mostly because I would rather have some form of online franchise then none at all. It could be the old code from 17 or even before then where it was only 40 man rosters not a real online franchise more like a basic league, keep the real MLB schedule. Anything would be better than nothing at all.
    Who knows maybe online franchise say there were 3000 leagues made etc and they were all full rosters 30 teams x 90 players = 2700 players to sync all the information and data maybe it was rough on the servers along with DD. If you lessen the load maybe cut it back to 40 man rosters per team or use some of that DD money and get dedicated servers for both online modes.
    I will say it again how can you have a sports game without leagues?
    I imagine football is #1 sport in america and to me baseball could be #1 to me personally , but lets say baseball is #2 then NBA #3 then NHL #4 etc etc... All sports titles should have some form of leagues on them.
    I think the reason they removed online franchise was because they changed their network code system and online franchise code needed to be updated / altered to suit the new network system. They didn't feel it was worth doing that.
    countryboy
    I’m not missing anything. I understand the feeling that their primary focus is DD. I don’t necessarily agree with it but I understand it.
    But I don’t agree that they are going to scrap franchise mode. If that was the plan, why would they make any improvements at all, however minimal one may view those to be? Wouldn’t they use that time and manpower towards DD and trying to figure out a plan to get more people into that mode?
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    You are 100% correct. If you were making money selling oranges why would you grow apples?
    As a company they have to go where the money is.
    Sucks though.
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    Jeffrey Smith
    You are 100% correct. If you were making money selling oranges why would you grow apples?
    As a company they have to go where the money is.
    Sucks though.
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    Apples generally don’t grow where oranges do! ;)
    Jeffrey Smith
    You are 100% correct. If you were making money selling oranges why would you grow apples?
    As a company they have to go where the money is.
    Sucks though.
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    I think we're in danger of forgetting - not you specifically but all of us - that SDS take 60 off us just for purchasing the game. That's more than they'll get from most DD players. No doubt there are some whose spending will exceed the cost of the game, but the average DD player won't be spending anything like that on stubs or whatever they sell. The bulk of their profit will still come from those of us who purchase the game to begin with.
    Jeffrey Smith
    You are 100% correct. If you were making money selling oranges why would you grow apples? As a company they have to go where the money is.
    Sucks though.

    I still think w/o franchise, the Show would go the way of the dodo in 5 years. As crazy as it may sound, I dont think they need DD as much as they think they do. But ideally, if you can make money selling apples and oranges, I dont know why you wouldnt sell both. You gotta import and export. You cant just focus on the importing.
    RogerDodger
    I think we're in danger of forgetting - not you specifically but all of us - that SDS take 60 off us just for purchasing the game. That's more than they'll get from most DD players. No doubt there are some whose spending will exceed the cost of the game, but the average DD player won't be spending anything like that on stubs or whatever they sell...

    I think you're underestimating human stupidity and addiction.
    RogerDodger
    I think we're in danger of forgetting - not you specifically but all of us - that SDS take 60 off us just for purchasing the game. That's more than they'll get from most DD players. No doubt there are some whose spending will exceed the cost of the game, but the average DD player won't be spending anything like that on stubs or whatever they sell. The bulk of their profit will still come from those of us who purchase the game to begin with.

    lol? Where did you get that info from? I think its very common knowledge or at least would not be egregious enough to expect a DD player spending 2x the normal game cost over the life span of this game.... Thats very simple to do especially if you spend $25 on it every few months for some extra stubs/packs during promotions/holidays.
    I personally spend over a $1000 on madden each year and about half of that on this game and im not even hardcore, its just something i save up during the year to spend on what i enjoy.
    and if i was incorrect then we would not be seeing the trend that we see now where all the EA games feature UT modes because thats what makes them money the same way MLB the show is leaning toward DD, its just what makes sense and what works
    Offline modes and single player is a thing of the past, look at call of duty, they did not even feature a single player for the first time EVER because of BR mode. I think its a trend we will see more and more because people would rather play online then offline
    RogerDodger
    I think we're in danger of forgetting - not you specifically but all of us - that SDS take 60 off us just for purchasing the game. That's more than they'll get from most DD players. No doubt there are some whose spending will exceed the cost of the game, but the average DD player won't be spending anything like that on stubs or whatever they sell. The bulk of their profit will still come from those of us who purchase the game to begin with.

    Huh? You understand that in order to play DD you have to buy the game just as anyone else does right?
    What am I missing?
    kehlis
    Huh? You understand that in order to play DD you have to buy the game just as anyone else does right?
    What am I missing?

    You're missing something because of course you have to buy the game to play DD. My point is about how much is spent above and beyond that. My view is that the additional spend on DD probably doesn't amount to much more than the value of another copy of the game, but as somebody who has never spent a dime on DLC for cards or packs I might be wrong. Very wrong, possibly. Maybe people are wasting hundreds of dollars on this stuff.
    kehlis
    Huh? You understand that in order to play DD you have to buy the game just as anyone else does right?
    What am I missing?

    Must be some Yogi Berra logic there somewhere.
    RogerDodger
    You're missing something because of course you have to buy the game to play DD. My point is about how much is spent above and beyond that. My view is that the additional spend on DD probably doesn't amount to much more than the value of another copy of the game, but as somebody who has never spent a dime on DLC for cards or packs I might be wrong. Very wrong, possibly. Maybe people are wasting hundreds of dollars on this stuff.

    Try thousands!
    RogerDodger
    You're missing something because of course you have to buy the game to play DD. My point is about how much is spent above and beyond that. My view is that the additional spend on DD probably doesn't amount to much more than the value of another copy of the game, but as somebody who has never spent a dime on DLC for cards or packs I might be wrong. Very wrong, possibly. Maybe people are wasting hundreds of dollars on this stuff.

    Okay,
    So everyone spends the same amount on the game.
    One population, franchise players, spend nothing more.
    Another population, spends more on top of the price for the game.
    I'm not sure what equation you are trying to make but of those two populations, one makes them more money than the other.
    nemesis04
    Try thousands!

    Madness if true... especially when that investment doesn't carry over from one year to the next and doesn't even offer a tangible reward at the end of it either.
    As a franchise mode only player I would grudgingly accept some element of monetisation if it was beneficial to the game but my spend would never amount to more than a few dollars that's for sure.
    RogerDodger
    Madness if true... especially when that investment doesn't carry over from one year to the next and doesn't even offer a tangible reward at the end of it either.
    As a franchise mode only player I would grudgingly accept some element of monetisation if it was beneficial to the game but my spend would never amount to more than a few dollars that's for sure.
    You grossly underestimate the wheelbarrows of cash people are willing to dump for online modes. Doesn't make sense to me, but it's like gambling. People get addicted.
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    bravesfan1984
    You grossly underestimate the wheelbarrows of cash people are willing to dump for online modes. Doesn't make sense to me, but it's like gambling. People get addicted.
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    Well, I never claimed to know, just basing it on myself and those in my gaming circle. I genuinely hope people aren't spending money they can't afford to if, as you say, it's a gambling addiction.
    RogerDodger
    Well, I never claimed to know, just basing it on myself and those in my gaming circle.
    Oh, I know man. Same here, it's mindboggling to me. I know relatives, who are elementary kids, spending their entire Christmas and birthday money, which was nearly $500, on that online game everyone is so hooked on...can't remember the name of it right now.
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    bravesfan1984
    Oh, I know man. Same here, it's mindboggling to me. I know relatives, who are elementary kids, spending their entire Christmas and birthday money, which was nearly $500, on that online game everyone is so hooked on...can't remember the name of it right now.
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    Good ol Fortnite
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    Lol bashing DD players or making fun of what they spend on the mode doesn’t help anything and only makes you look small.
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    Mercury112491
    Lol bashing DD players or making fun of what they spend on the mode doesn’t help anything and only makes you look small.
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    People that dump money in a fantasy game to feel dominant is kinda small too though.. no?
    Mercury112491
    Lol bashing DD players or making fun of what they spend on the mode doesn’t help anything and only makes you look small.
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    What? Making fun? I was simply stating a fact of what known relatives have spent. It's their money, I couldn't care less how they spend it. Just not something I'd do.
    About done posting on OS...can't post anything without some snarky, rude comments...
    Yea mfers paying big money for these modes. I don't get it. But my friend has spent thousands on ultimate team in madden.
    Thousands...
    His little brother drops hundreds on 2k.
    I'll be honest I never thought people would actually do that on virtual packs. I personally dont get it. But it's their money.
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    Houston
    I agree with this mostly because I would rather have some form of online franchise then none at all. It could be the old code from 17 or even before then where it was only 40 man rosters not a real online franchise more like a basic league, keep the real MLB schedule. Anything would be better than nothing at all.
    Who knows maybe online franchise say there were 3000 leagues made etc and they were all full rosters 30 teams x 90 players = 2700 players to sync all the information and data maybe it was rough on the servers along with DD. If you lessen the load maybe cut it back to 40 man rosters per team or use some of that DD money and get dedicated servers for both online modes.
    I will say it again how can you have a sports game without leagues?
    I imagine football is #1 sport in america and to me baseball could be #1 to me personally , but lets say baseball is #2 then NBA #3 then NHL #4 etc etc... All sports titles should have some form of leagues on them.

    If online franchise is a source of continuous negative discussion on the forums, and they don’t believe they can improve it to an acceptable degree, they are better off removing it. It’s just not used enough to warrant the investment or the continuous negative online discussions.
    At some point, players get used it to it being gone. That’s the trend in gaming.
    And really, baseball is absolutely the worst game to transfer to online leagues. The games take too long, and MLB requires games to be played in series because of how bullpens and rotations are managed, which affect platooning position players. No one has time to play online league baseball in a way that resembles MLB.
    I actually prefer the DD style of three inning games, because it focuses on the late inning style of play. It’s competing and fun, but it also creates an environment where more people have time to play and compete.
    I know it seem antithetical, but DD is a solution to the problems facing simulation league play. And while it should easy to just leave online franchise in as an option, it actually hurts game sales, because it fails to meet the expectations of gamers. While some adapt, many more use it as something to bash the game over.
    I don't disrespect DD. I play it occasionally when I just want something arcade like. I think it's a perfect mode for those that just want to play a video game.
    Ballgame59
    I don't disrespect DD. I play it occasionally when I just want something arcade like. I think it's a perfect mode for those that just want to play a video game.

    This says a lot. It's so smug and superior, all the while ignoring that MLB the show is a video game.
    I guess the response would be that sim sports are great for those that just want to play color by numbers and having their sports opinions and ability validated by rigging the sliders and ratings.
    JayhawkerStL
    This says a lot. It's so smug and superior, all the while ignoring that MLB the show is a video game.
    I guess the response would be that sim sports are great for those that just want to play color by numbers and having their sports opinions and ability validated by rigging the sliders and ratings.
    Not meant to be smug at all. My league is very sim. Pretty serious group. Sometimes I just need to play something where I don't want to have to think and just play a video game. Where nothing is really on the line. That's when I turn to DD.
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    JayhawkerStL
    This says a lot. It's so smug and superior, all the while ignoring that MLB the show is a video game.
    I guess the response would be that sim sports are great for those that just want to play color by numbers and having their sports opinions and ability validated by rigging the sliders and ratings.

    Yeah you looked wayyyyyyyyy to deep into what he said.
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    bravesfan1984
    What? Making fun? I was simply stating a fact of what known relatives have spent. It's their money, I couldn't care less how they spend it. Just not something I'd do.
    About done posting on OS...can't post anything without some snarky, rude comments...

    Chill, did I quote you? Mention you specifically? Nor was what I posted rude or snarky even if it had been addressed to you.
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    Ballgame59
    Not meant to be smug at all. My league is very sim. Pretty serious group. Sometimes I just need to play something where I don't want to have to think and just play a video game. Where nothing is really on the line. That's when I turn to DD.
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    The implication is that DD doesn't require thought and strategy. What you are doing is not going unnoticed.
    JayhawkerStL
    If online franchise is a source of continuous negative discussion on the forums, and they don’t believe they can improve it to an acceptable degree, they are better off removing it. It’s just not used enough to warrant the investment or the continuous negative online discussions.
    At some point, players get used it to it being gone. That’s the trend in gaming.
    And really, baseball is absolutely the worst game to transfer to online leagues. The games take too long, and MLB requires games to be played in series because of how bullpens and rotations are managed, which affect platooning position players. No one has time to play online league baseball in a way that resembles MLB.
    I actually prefer the DD style of three inning games, because it focuses on the late inning style of play. It’s competing and fun, but it also creates an environment where more people have time to play and compete.
    I know it seem antithetical, but DD is a solution to the problems facing simulation league play. And while it should easy to just leave online franchise in as an option, it actually hurts game sales, because it fails to meet the expectations of gamers. While some adapt, many more use it as something to bash the game over.

    I do agree. Another reason I think baseball doesn’t translate well online is because the focus point of a baseball game is in his pitcher/batcher interaction that is all happening in less than a 400 milliseconds. Quite a challenge for any online servers infrastructure !!
    PS: It’s even challenging for my 65” LG plugged into my Onkyo receiver LOL. ( some lagging issues here)
    TripleCrown
    I do agree. Another reason I think baseball doesn’t translate well online is because the focus point of a baseball game is in his pitcher/batcher interaction that is all happening in less than a 400 milliseconds. Quite a challenge for any online servers infrastructure !!
    PS: It’s even challenging for my 65” LG plugged into my Onkyo receiver LOL. ( some lagging issues here)

    MLB 2K actually did a pretty nice job of getting around that, although it was far from perfect. The Show exceeded what 2K did over the last two years. At this point, you can read balls and strikes, which gets the game closer to realistic.
    But the multitude of control schemes actually works against the game because there is definitely an advantage to using to a specific controls for pitching and hitting. If you use the wrong ones, you are at a huge disadvantage. Worse, the good control schemes are too overpowered for online play.
    All those options means that gameplay is wildly different based on control scheme and and users would flip out if they started limiting them. But I do think Sony has a path to good online play. But it will never make nine innings games something that the vast majority of gamers have time to do online. And if you aren't playing series of games, it makes managing your rotation and bullpen a non-factor.
    Mercury112491
    Yeah you looked wayyyyyyyyy to deep into what he said.
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    Um what? He clearly thinks less of people who play DD. Hence the "people who just want to play a video game"
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    Armor and Sword
    In fact I know plenty of OS’ers who play DD exclusively offline and I expect a much bigger suite of offline modes for DD to be coming because I can pretty much assure you SDS is seeing their telemetry stats showing a lot of offline DD is being played.

    You just described me. I like DD. I like the card collecting (I don't buy packs or points). But after messing with it for two seasons I am tired of the only offline activities being Conquest or meaningless games grinding stats for missions. There is really no compelling reason to field your best team offline. If I had to guess what March to October is then I would guess an offline season mode for your DD team. It has been requested a lot.
    Ballgame59
    I view DD as a casual, fantasy, non-sim mode. This is the audience that SDS is catering to. Or are they trying to convince the die-hard baseball fans to try/play DD?

    The last thing I would call Diamond Dynasty is casual. It requires ENORMOUS amounts of playing time to complete the missions and programs. My guess is that the amount of time the average DD players spend in the game dwarfs any other game mode.
    RogerDodger
    I think we're in danger of forgetting - not you specifically but all of us - that SDS take 60 off us just for purchasing the game. That's more than they'll get from most DD players. No doubt there are some whose spending will exceed the cost of the game, but the average DD player won't be spending anything like that on stubs or whatever they sell. The bulk of their profit will still come from those of us who purchase the game to begin with.

    What I think you are in danger of forgetting is that it is the DD players dishing out the money for the $100 edition of the game because all the extra benefits of that version are all for them. Meanwhile the Franchise and RTTS players are fine with the $60 version.
    JayhawkerStL
    If online franchise is a source of continuous negative discussion on the forums, and they don’t believe they can improve it to an acceptable degree, they are better off removing it. It’s just not used enough to warrant the investment or the continuous negative online discussions.
    At some point, players get used it to it being gone. That’s the trend in gaming.
    And really, baseball is absolutely the worst game to transfer to online leagues. The games take too long, and MLB requires games to be played in series because of how bullpens and rotations are managed, which affect platooning position players. No one has time to play online league baseball in a way that resembles MLB.
    I actually prefer the DD style of three inning games, because it focuses on the late inning style of play. It’s competing and fun, but it also creates an environment where more people have time to play and compete.
    I know it seem antithetical, but DD is a solution to the problems facing simulation league play. And while it should easy to just leave online franchise in as an option, it actually hurts game sales, because it fails to meet the expectations of gamers. While some adapt, many more use it as something to bash the game over.

    The whole 'baseball doesn't translate well to online franchise' argument is weak. The games take the same amount of time as most Madden games and most seasons are 30 games long. As long as you are in a well structured and run league the mode was very competitive and just as realistic as any Madden or 2k League you'd ever see. The problem lies with SDS, not the game of baseball. Don't make excuses for them.
    redsfan4life
    The whole 'baseball doesn't translate well to online franchise' argument is weak. The games take the same amount of time as most Madden games and most seasons are 30 games long. As long as you are in a well structured and run league the mode was very competitive and just as realistic as any Madden or 2k League you'd ever see. The problem lies with SDS, not the game of baseball. Don't make excuses for them.

    I think part of the problem is they have too many online users and it overloads their servers. Ridding themselves of online franchise helps alleviate that burden. Not saying thats the right or wrong way to do it, but it is what it is.
    underdog13
    Um what? He clearly thinks less of people who play DD. Hence the "people who just want to play a video game"
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    Did you read his follow up post? That’s not what he was saying at all. Jesus this board has become basically the same as reddit. It’s
    Embarrassing because of what this place used to be.
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    Mercury112491
    Did you read his follow up post? That’s not what he was saying at all. Jesus this board has become basically the same as reddit. It’s
    Embarrassing because of what this place used to be.
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    His follow up post was
    "Pretty serious group. Sometimes I just need to play something where I don't want to have to think and just play a vide game. Where nothing is reallyon the line."
    Now, I don't give a **** if he hates DD or thinks less of DD players. That doesn't bother me.
    What's some straight up disingenuous bull**** is you saying that he doesn't think less of it. He clearly thinks it is lesser than online fran, "just a video game" as if online fran is somehow more than just a video game. He thinks it's less serious than online franchise, he states that by letting us know the importance he places on seriousness by "pretty serious group" he wouldn't have put that if he didn't value their seriousness. He then states he only plays DD when "nothing is really on the line".
    So we have him stating he finds DD a lesser mode via " just a video game" indicating online franchise is more than just a video game. And that DD is less serious of a mode.
    I really don't care what he thinks about DD. But you can't just ignore the tone and context which he provides those two messages.
    And don't come at me with that Reddit ****.
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    Lol ok bro, I mean congrats at being able to 100% decipher tone from text. Clearly you’re just hunting for a reason to be upset about something so I’ll leave you to it. Rage away my man.
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    Mercury112491
    Lol ok bro, I mean congrats at being able to 100% decipher tone from text. Clearly you’re just hunting for a reason to be upset about something so I’ll leave you to it. Rage away my man.
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    Typical expect response.
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    Caulfield
    I think part of the problem is they have too many online users and it overloads their servers. Ridding themselves of online franchise helps alleviate that burden. Not saying thats the right or wrong way to do it, but it is what it is.

    They got rid of it and online still sucked last year. So that was not the problem. They have always struggled with this at every level.
    nemesis04
    They got rid of it and online still sucked last year. So that was not the problem. They have always struggled with this at every level.

    Online was pretty okay for me last year. I just wish they could get rid of the hickup right after you hit the ball. It completely removes the satisfying feeling of squaring up a baseball.
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    I’m not even shocked based off their wording last year I doubt it makes a return.
    Even if it did for mlb 19’ I doubt I’d come back it’s been the same game for about 5-6 years now. When will they make changes?
    Houston
    I agree with this mostly because I would rather have some form of online franchise then none at all. It could be the old code from 17 or even before then where it was only 40 man rosters not a real online franchise more like a basic league, keep the real MLB schedule. Anything would be better than nothing at all.
    Who knows maybe online franchise say there were 3000 leagues made etc and they were all full rosters 30 teams x 90 players = 2700 players to sync all the information and data maybe it was rough on the servers along with DD. If you lessen the load maybe cut it back to 40 man rosters per team or use some of that DD money and get dedicated servers for both online modes.
    I will say it again how can you have a sports game without leagues?
    I imagine football is #1 sport in america and to me baseball could be #1 to me personally , but lets say baseball is #2 then NBA #3 then NHL #4 etc etc... All sports titles should have some form of leagues on them.

    All other sports games have online leagues. Madden and nba2k do. This game had them and took them out. To me that’s inexcusable. Both 2k and madden sell a lot more than Mlb the show so the server excuse I don’t buy at all. You and I are on the same page. I rather leave the bad online league they had before than to leave us with nothing. Every year I looked forward to online leagues and now we have nothing 2 years straight and no word from them either.
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    nemesis04
    They got rid of it and online still sucked last year. So that was not the problem. They have always struggled with this at every level.

    Hope they dont give up on regular online too then. I dont play online but I don't think this game can afford to lose many more buyers.
    I only play offline franchise, but this caught my eye when reading the game description at best buy, it says...
    "For one to four players offline, and one to eight players online"
    Were you always able to have 8 players playing together online? Just asking because I've never played online.
    CubFan23
    I only play offline franchise, but this caught my eye when reading the game description at best buy, it says...
    "For one to four players offline, and one to eight players online"
    Were you always able to have 8 players playing together online? Just asking because I've never played online.
    Hr derby
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    Artman22
    All other sports games have online leagues. Madden and nba2k do. This game had them and took them out. To me that’s inexcusable. Both 2k and madden sell a lot more than Mlb the show so the server excuse I don’t buy at all. You and I are on the same page. I rather leave the bad online league they had before than to leave us with nothing. Every year I looked forward to online leagues and now we have nothing 2 years straight and no word from them either.
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    This is not true. The NHL series and NBA Live also lack online leagues. I have't play FIFA in awhile, but looking online it doesn't seem like FIFA or PES has online leagues. Super Mega Baseball 2 lacks league play. When EA launched Rory, it lacked the Country Clubs that allowed gamer to see up tourneys with friends and such.
    The problem is, card mode games have drained the pool of player looking to play competitive sports games. It's not a substitute, but UT, DD, and MyCareer allows gamers to build teams and use them competitively, and to do this 100% on their own schedule. It scratches the itch and is more convenient.
    Are they better? Depends on your preferences. But it is the new reality regardless of what you, I or anyone else thinks. But online leagues really aren't a thing anymore.
    And I say this as someone who found online leagues to be the absolutely the best way to play sports games. I ran a FBPro 98 league for years, ing after the 99 version was recalled and the franchise killed off. I played in NFL 2K5 leagues, and ran a league for APFB 2K8 in which we drafted the players we could use to form out teams, and played 5 or 6 seasons. Played in tons of Strat-O-Matic and Diamond Mind Baseball leagues.
    For me, the end came when EA started this Connected nonsense, so that every league had every team, with t he CPU taking over teams without users. It ruined online leagues for me. The best was 6-10 team leagues, with users drafting their own rosters. But that's not a thing anywhere anymore. AI controlling rosters is the worst. Trying to run a 32 team league is not fun, as you end up adding a bunch of randos, and you can't keep the league full without a lot of work.
    And I still maintain that of all sports, baseball is the worst for a console sports league. To make it work you suck a ton out of what makes MLB interesting.
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