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FIFA 19 Developers Confirm No Major Changes in Career Mode and Pro Clubs This Year

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FIFA 19 Developers Confirm No Major Changes in Career Mode and Pro Clubs This Year

GameSpot spoke with Sam Rivera, the lead gameplay producer for FIFA 19, and confirms there will be no major changes for Career Mode and Pro Clubs this year. The major focus was placed on the expanded Kick Off portion of the game and Champions League integration. With that said, Champions League will not be integrated into Pro Clubs this year.

“When it’s Champions League day, everything changes–[there’s a] reskin. That was our highest priority. “But we are listening to our fans. They’ve been requesting more stuff, bigger stuff, in terms of Career Mode [and] in terms of Pro Clubs. There’s discussions right now to see what can be added in the future. We know it’s a very passionate community. At the moment, that’s all we’re announcing for those modes. We are actively having conversations, listening to [the community] to see what else we can bring to those modes.”
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  1. Why do I get the feeling "we are talking about and looking into changes for this mode for the future", actually means "we are talking about and looking into ways to nickle and dime career mode player in the future. Because lets be honest, the only way we do anything with this mode is if we can make money off it."
    I wish whoever the head of the team for Fifa who sets the priorities for the game would realize the opportunity with the journey ending with fifa 19 to make CM in fifa 20 amazing. I know they won't and they'll just look for more ways to make $$$ off of microtransactions, but if they had their priorities straight they could make that mode so sick.
    All sports games are going this way now, it is interesting that NBA 2K is literally the only title that looks to make signicant changes to their Franchise mode.
    RoyceDa59
    All sports games are going this way now, it is interesting that NBA 2K is literally the only title that looks to make signicant changes to their Franchise mode.

    Because the franchise mode includes VC. Just like every mode in NBA 2K. I'm sure EA is looking at ways to do this in their games also. People seem to give 2K a pass on the VC since you don't have to buy it, and can actually earn it by playing the game. But I doubt EA would ever do that.
    "But we are listening to our fans. They've been requesting more stuff, bigger stuff, in terms of Career Mode in terms of Pro Clubs. There's discussions right now to see what can be added in the future. We know it's a very passionate community. At the moment, that's all we're announcing for those modes. We are actively having conversations, listening to to see what else we can bring to those modes."
    ...atleast they are talking about it now. So, there is atleast gonna happen something. For FIFA19 is was allready pretty clear, what would be the major overhau -> the champions league.
    If the champions league and all these 'minor changes' are worth another shot for 60 bucks...hmm :y11:
    Zac
    Because the franchise mode includes VC. Just like every mode in NBA 2K. I'm sure EA is looking at ways to do this in their games also. People seem to give 2K a pass on the VC since you don't have to buy it, and can actually earn it by playing the game. But I doubt EA would ever do that.

    I don’t think franchise mode in 2k includes vc I might be wrong though. I mostly play mycareer
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    EA should not act surprised at some of this feedback. There are minimal improvements over the years, and in fact many big features have disappeared. All they have to do is have a look at the manager selection screen when you start a CM. You could be shaking hands with your clone if you don't play in the EPL. That's embarrassing.
    I do understand that they can't develop major features a month before release, but they could demonstrate their good will with some very simple changes.
    So this year they have a new tactical system, and it's supposed to be important. Right, so change the pre-match team setup screen. I want to see my opponents formation and players. Then maybe I will have to make some interesting decisions about who to play and how to play. What is this "PLAYER READY!" nonsense occupying half the screen? This isn't an online match. How much time do they need to change that? I can view both teams if I plug in a second controller so the code is there. Make it happen.
    They make a big deal out of all the licences but have they implemented realistic tactics for the teams or are they not bothering?
    Make a dozen new manager faces maybe. I'm sure everyone can think of something easy to implement that could improve CM. It won't hurt them to patch in a couple of things if they want to prove that they got the message.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Yeah it sucks that both games can't license all the leagues. PES isn't even an option for me because of that.

    Honestly, option files do solve a lot of this. For example, PES will never come close to FIFA when it comes to the entire EPL presentation package, but a decent option file will get you a lot closer. At least Chelsea is Chelsea, City is City, etc.
    Zac
    Because the franchise mode includes VC. Just like every mode in NBA 2K. I'm sure EA is looking at ways to do this in their games also. People seem to give 2K a pass on the VC since you don't have to buy it, and can actually earn it by playing the game. But I doubt EA would ever do that.

    You are ABSOLUTELY wrong. Their franchise mode does not include VC.
    MyGM includes VC but it’s used for minuscule things like free agency influence, etc.
    Myleauge, their completely customizable, deepest franchise mode in any sports genre, has NO VC present whatsoever.
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    Gosens6
    You are ABSOLUTELY wrong. Their franchise mode does not include VC.
    MyGM includes VC but it’s used for minuscule things like free agency influence, etc.
    Myleauge, their completely customizable, deepest franchise mode in any sports genre, has NO VC present whatsoever.
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    I haven't actually played one of their games since the split of it and the addition of MyGM. But a few years ago before MyGM it absolutely was in the franchise mode.
    Zac
    I haven't actually played one of their games since the split of it and the addition of MyGM. But a few years ago before MyGM it absolutely was in the franchise mode.

    VC has never been in MyLeauge
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    Gosens6
    VC has never been in MyLeauge
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    I could have sworn the first year it was in the association, but googling it, it wasn't. I've never heard of MyLeague either. The last time I played the game the mode was still called The Association.
    Zac
    I could have sworn the first year it was in the association, but googling it, it wasn't. I've never heard of MyLeague either. The last time I played the game the mode was still called The Association.

    VC is everywhere else for sure. Career mode, the card collecting mode, but they keep it out of franchise mode for us offline guys.
    People can say anything they want about the NBA 2K series, but they know how to appeal to their franchise players
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    Gosens6
    VC is everywhere else for sure. Career mode, the card collecting mode, but they keep it out of franchise mode for us offline guys.
    People can say anything they want about the NBA 2K series, but they know how to appeal to their franchise players
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    That was actually the whole point of my original comment. They do it right. People don't complain about VC too much. They don't force anyone into feeling like they need to buy it. You even earn the stuff in every game mode for just playing the game. There is no way EA would ever do that. EA's model as seen in FUT is to make people feel like they don't earn enough coins (or that it takes too long), so they try and rope you into buying points. If they rolled this out to other modes, you can bet it would be the same.
    Just give us a database editor and let the community do the rest. Sure its not all the other features that we want and they could implement if they cared but this one change would at least lead to some more playability while they fix the mess of Career mode.
    JayD
    What happened to the custom managers everyone on YouTube was confirming?

    It was probably a concept. I've seen a LOT of cool pics from stuff like that, but it's all been fake. :jpshakehe
    I think it's silly for them to Shell out millions for the champion league. Maybe it's just me, but imagine how many more people they could hire to work on ACTUAL, career modes changes if they didn't pay millions to simply reskin menus, and record more cheese lines of commentary.
    I'd rather have a fake champions league for the MLS, and Asian leagues, than a real one that ultimately doesn't make the game better as a whole.
    BearsNVA
    I think it's silly for them to Shell out millions for the champion league. Maybe it's just me, but imagine how many more people they could hire to work on ACTUAL, career modes changes if they didn't pay millions to simply reskin menus, and record more cheese lines of commentary.
    I'd rather have a fake champions league for the MLS, and Asian leagues, than a real one that ultimately doesn't make the game better as a whole.

    CL investment was to sell more games and I'm sure it will have a huge factor in FUT. In CM I feel it will just be an overlay over the generic one from years pasts.
    Unfortunately for me I have fallen victim to the FUT crowd; because of disappointment with franchise modes and the enjoyment of the grind, I'm a FUT guy going forward I think in FIFA. I may or may not do a CM in FIFA 19... I may just for the CL experience but these days I get my franchise fix in Football Manager.
    Altimus
    CL investment was to sell more games and I'm sure it will have a huge factor in FUT. In CM I feel it will just be an overlay over the generic one from years pasts.

    It is a very pretty overlay though, the Presentation is very nice, and the news treats the competition as a big deal unlike in previous iterations, but it's basically just this.
    Altimus
    Unfortunately for me I have fallen victim to the FUT crowd; because of disappointment with franchise modes and the enjoyment of the grind, I'm a FUT guy going forward I think in FIFA. I may or may not do a CM in FIFA 19... I may just for the CL experience but these days I get my franchise fix in Football Manager.

    Football Manager has ruined any manager style game for me. I only use CM in FIFA for the Single Player(same for Madden) Nothing even comes close to FM for me.
    BearsNVA
    I think it's silly for them to Shell out millions for the champion league. Maybe it's just me, but imagine how many more people they could hire to work on ACTUAL, career modes changes if they didn't pay millions to simply reskin menus, and record more cheese lines of commentary.
    I'd rather have a fake champions league for the MLS, and Asian leagues, than a real one that ultimately doesn't make the game better as a whole.

    EA has enough resources to invalidate these kind of arguments. Now, if you would have said Konami, I'd have fully agreed with you.
    I suspect that despite Career Mode folks (myself included) are the minority although I still don't believe that the Journey gets more playtime than CM. I love first person modes but it's just so gimmicky to me (The Journey).
    The hope is the last to die, although most here know the writing on the wall. The only thing for my cynicism to sparkle is if anyone believes in the p... they fill the media with before publishing !. They are total indemnity with this community or for that matter other similar, as long as it is not about earnings. Fifas CM is like a makeup body that died in 14. Something is rotten in the state of ....disgusting comparison, but the point is good. lol.
    aterry
    Just give us a database editor and let the community do the rest. Sure its not all the other features that we want and they could implement if they cared but this one change would at least lead to some more playability while they fix the mess of Career mode.

    It is never going to happen. Because EA long ago decided to be a closed system where openness and transparency are a really bad feature.
    Lol. Man I remember people were so quick to side with EA when so many of us were complaining that they were spending all their time on UT. People were saying that career mode had its own "team" of devs. That was never a thing.
    Sad to see YouTubers and websites touting new licenses as career mode "features." It doesn't matter what we want, because IGN/etc will be giving this game a 8.5-9.5. They'll do the usual, "this game offers enough minor tweaks and changes to please any fan," type of review that they do every year for every major sports game. After playing the game for a whole 3 hours, of course.
    You also have to remember that by purchasing the CL license, EA severely hurt the competition.
    For me, CL was all I played in PES anymore since ML is such trash. Now, without CL, I have absolutely zero desire to bother with PES anymore.
    Who knows if that was part of EA's calculus but even if it wasn't, it was a pretty big bonus.
    ImmortalMindz
    You also have to remember that by purchasing the CL license, EA severely hurt the competition.
    For me, CL was all I played in PES anymore since ML is such trash. Now, without CL, I have absolutely zero desire to bother with PES anymore.
    Who knows if that was part of EA's calculus but even if it wasn't, it was a pretty big bonus.

    I actually think you are in the minority on that. Most PES players couldn't care less about losing the license. Most PES players will just use an option file to bring it back. PES players care more about stadiums and leagues. Licenses mean nothing when you can add everything in yourself. Its everything else that is important.
    Zac
    I actually think you are in the minority on that. Most PES players couldn't care less about losing the license. Most PES players will just use an option file to bring it back. PES players care more about stadiums and leagues. Licenses mean nothing when you can add everything in yourself. Its everything else that is important.

    This. The only thing that FIFA's CM has over PES's ML imo is it's depth. 4 divisions in England, 3 in Germany and additional leagues.
    Even if Konami simply gave empty slots for created teams and leagues, along with the ability to attach them as extra divisions to a league could blow ML wide open.
    It's quite fun once a year, all Pes and Fifa players meet in the same thread for the annual debate (why is there no Fifa vs Pes this year? Lol). And yet most of them play both games. Virtually everyone here knows that both games have strengths and weaknesses, the eternal debate, the only thing that the two games have in common is the name football is included (not soccer, lol), otherwise their approach is completely different. It corresponds to discussing the eternal battle Messi or Ronaldo, boring !. But do not stop, maybe I see the light on this dark shadow side.
    andanesean
    It's quite fun once a year, all Pes and Fifa players meet in the same thread for the annual debate (why is there no Fifa vs Pes this year? Lol). And yet most of them play both games. Virtually everyone here knows that both games have strengths and weaknesses, the eternal debate, the only thing that the two games have in common is the name football is included (not soccer, lol), otherwise their approach is completely different. It corresponds to discussing the eternal battle Messi or Ronaldo, boring !. But do not stop, maybe I see the light on this dark shadow side.

    I think the debate of PES v FIFA with each new iteration can serve a purpose though. Each game as you mention has its strengths and weaknesses. While much of OS has gone to extremes of 'everything is wrong' or 'wow this is the best ever', when people start to show why they feel PES has better gameplay, or FIFA's CM is more in depth or the stadia and atmosphere really shine on....the reader then can get a sense of comparison and it may help them determine which game (if they choose one) would better suit what they are looking for from the video game experience. If you want all the English Leagues, and 3 German leagues, maybe FIFA is for you; if you don't care about the licenses but see gameplay is constantly rated higher with PES and that's what you want you may go there; if you want an excruciatingly detailed manager experience you may go with Football Manager. We have a sense of what each game has been better at over the years, and with each year's FIFA v PES we get a glimpse into whether they are still delivering or if they improved on one of their weaknesses.
    Here's my recent experience with the OS boards: I have no real interest in the NBA, and never really looked at any of their boards. But time after time people would point out on the Fifa, Madden and The Show boards about how deep the NBA2K franchise mode is, how you can expand the league, how move teams or change the look, how easy it is to have as much/little control over the teams in the league, that the gameplay was solid, that the commentary was awesome....so from these other boards I started looking into NBA2K through online and OS forums and now I'm really enjoying this game and look forward to really customizing the league over time. AND that doesn't mean over in the NBA2K forum people aren't complaining about things in this game too....it may just mean I don't know the game well enough to notice :)
    Short story long, then: you'll always find people who say Fifa is best, or PES is best, but when the debate starts, if you get past the personal biases in some posts, you can probably glean enough information to help with a decision to get the game that is right for you. Maybe even more so than professional reviews that point out how little is changed, new additions to CM are minimal, they did a bunch of things for FUT, and we give it a 9.8 of 10. :)
    Zac
    I actually think you are in the minority on that. Most PES players couldn't care less about losing the license. Most PES players will just use an option file to bring it back. PES players care more about stadiums and leagues. Licenses mean nothing when you can add everything in yourself. Its everything else that is important.

    That's a fair point and you very well might be right, although I think you might be speaking more about the hardcore PES fans.
    Most fans of FIFA and PES are casuals and don't bother to dig deep into option files and sliders and settings etc. They want a pick up and play experience.
    So while I think you're likely right about hardcore fans not caring, this is a massive loss for drawing casual fans.
    And I disagree that the only thing lacking with ML is depth. For me it's been a LONG time since it was any good, and I know that I'm not alone in that opinion.
    Maybe all of that is a minority opinion among PES fans, but for those on the fence between the two games or considering giving PES a go, losing the CL license cannot be anything but a bad thing.
    Zac
    I actually think you are in the minority on that. Most PES players couldn't care less about losing the license. Most PES players will just use an option file to bring it back. PES players care more about stadiums and leagues. Licenses mean nothing when you can add everything in yourself. Its everything else that is important.

    WORD
    The fact that an official twitter account of a La Liga club sent out a tweet with a hashtag of #FixPROCLUBS just made my day. I bet EA was suuuper stoked about THAT. 😂
    MikeGiani
    The twitter handle FifaCMNetwork actually is saying there are a lot of nice subtle changes to the mode. His feed is worth checking out.

    Thank you so much for this! Whoever this guy is, rocks. Just letting us know league patches change when promoted made me giddy. Lots of other great stuff.
    BearsNVA
    Thank you so much for this! Whoever this guy is, rocks. Just letting us know league patches change when promoted made me giddy. Lots of other great stuff.

    You don't know how long I've been waiting for this.
    Atlanta United's Mercedes Benz Stadium has been confirmed as well.
    Just a head's up on that dude- he has a lot of great info but some isn't true. You can't loan players out that you have just bought and there's a couple other things he said that i tested myself in the beta and they didn't work.
    On a good note- Vinicius Junior has a $47mill release clause that can be paid in the first season and he is an absolute monster.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Just a head's up on that dude- he has a lot of great info but some isn't true. You can't loan players out that you have just bought and there's a couple other things he said that i tested myself in the beta and they didn't work.
    On a good note- Vinicius Junior has a $47mill release clause that can be paid in the first season and he is an absolute monster.

    I have heard different from several people. I guess we won't know until EA releases some kind of blog about career mode or when the game is released.
    JayD
    I have heard different from several people. I guess we won't know until EA releases some kind of blog about career mode or when the game is released.

    Hopefully it'll be different when the game releases but in the beta it was the exact same as last year where there's no option to immediately transfer or loan new players.
    Zac
    Because the franchise mode includes VC. Just like every mode in NBA 2K. I'm sure EA is looking at ways to do this in their games also. People seem to give 2K a pass on the VC since you don't have to buy it, and can actually earn it by playing the game. But I doubt EA would ever do that.

    men I play my gm and my league and I never spend a VC on these modes which are the only I play in nba2k, is the only game who care about franchise mode, EA totally destroy franchise mode on all his sport games
    Honestly if franchise modes need to have microtransactions inthem for developers to actually make changes, then go ahead. Go crazy. Just don't make them necessary for anything that shouldn't require you to pay extra and I'm good. I really don't care, I won't be purchasing any. 
    In all fairness to the pes vs FIFA debate, according to the IGN review master league in PES barely changed either and it’s probably even longer overdue.
    that said, it’s mind boggling that the trend in sports  game development is seemingly do less but make more money. I can’t think of another aspect of business that could get away with that.
    CujoMatty
    In all fairness to the pes vs FIFA debate, according to the IGN review master league in PES barely changed either and it’s probably even longer overdue.
    that said, it’s mind boggling that the trend in sports *game development is seemingly do less but make more money. I can’t think of another aspect of business that could get away with that.

    Yeah i saw that as well. It's a shame. Everyone around Madden longs for the exclusivity deal to be done away with because the thought is that competition provides better games, but PES is a clear example that if the competition doesn't improve their modes then you don't have to either.
    I agree about the doing less and making more money comment as well. I used to play COD growing up, but i took a break for about 3-4 years from the games. I picked up COD WW2 last fall and the game is unrecognizable. Like massive improvements to the point where i needed to relearn how stuff worked because so much had been added in those years that i missed. With Fifa and Madden, it's just not that way at all. I could go back to Fifa 15 and have nearly the exact same career mode experience as i will have in fifa 19.
    CujoMatty
    In all fairness to the pes vs FIFA debate, according to the IGN review master league in PES barely changed either and it’s probably even longer overdue.
    that said, it’s mind boggling that the trend in sports *game development is seemingly do less but make more money. I can’t think of another aspect of business that could get away with that.

    Nba 2K would be the exception, they invest a lot back into their game.
    I'm just waiting for EA to require actual currency to transfer players in Career mode. "Add $20 Million to your transfer budget with this bonus pack for just $9.99*."
    *Must purchase a new pack for each career mode save.
    TMuss
    I'm just waiting for EA to require actual currency to transfer players in Career mode. "Add $20 Million to your transfer budget with this bonus pack for just $9.99*."
    *Must purchase a new pack for each career mode save.

    I would totally drop an additional $9.99 if it meant that EA would actually show some love to CM.
    ImmortalMindz
    I would totally drop an additional $9.99 if it meant that EA would actually show some love to CM.
    Yeah. If EA introduced VC into career mode it would be net positive, ironically, because then they would more than likely feel the need to introduce more features to get people to actually play that mode. But I'm sure they've realized that UT is the way to go. It takes less work to "develop" new FUT packs/promotions.
    CujoMatty
    In all fairness to the pes vs FIFA debate, according to the IGN review master league in PES barely changed either and it’s probably even longer overdue.
    that said, it’s mind boggling that the trend in sports *game development is seemingly do less but make more money. I can’t think of another aspect of business that could get away with that.

    I think the trend is to spend development $'s on the modes that get the most play. A kick-*** CM won't pull people away from FUT but a kick-*** FUT will and has pulled people away from CM.
    This is disappointing to hear. To think these guys make tons on sales from this game world wide, you would think they would have a team working and adding features to the franchise mode each year. Oh well, at least we get the champions league integration in franchise mode.
    TMuss
    I'm just waiting for EA to require actual currency to transfer players in Career mode. "Add $20 Million to your transfer budget with this bonus pack for just $9.99*."
    *Must purchase a new pack for each career mode save.

    Great! Or maybe paying for save slots. Konami already tried that in metal gear. Anyway, buying virtual players with real money is already a thing, if this happens in CM as well, i'm simply out. I can live without the latest games and get my footy fix with pes 5 or modded fifa 16. It's not like they're irresistibly good anyway. EA can't quite figure out the ball size and basic animations, PES had better AI and master league mode 10 years ago.
    Things I could tolerate: Real ads as part of some prematch tv-style presentation or maybe complete league/ stadium packs like racing games sell car & track packs. It's not like it's free now. It costs something like ~60$ every single year.
    I don't expect anything like that though, the next big change is going to be service subscriptions more likely. That's EAs plan anyway.
    KG
    I think the trend is to spend development $'s on the modes that bring in extra $. A kick-*** CM won't pull people away from FUT but a kick-*** FUT will and has pulled people away from CM.

    ^^Fixed that for ya.
    But seriously, just look at the need for AAA games to make extra cash off paid DLC. Games like God of War are the exception to the new reality of AAA games: the price tag of games has stayed the same over the last decade or so, while production costs have increased.
    And so it only makes sense that games seek extra cash where they can, and prioritize whatever brings in that extra $.
    I know it's an unpopular idea but personally I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for CM, if only so that EA will prioritize the mode again.
    Because here's the cold hard truth: EA giving little love to CM is going to remain the status quo until they have reason to focus on it. And why would they, when FUT brings in a billion extra dollars? Honestly, with how much $$$ FUT rakes in, we're lucky CM is even still a thing.
    ImmortalMindz
    ^^Fixed that for ya.
    But seriously, just look at the need for AAA games to make extra cash off paid DLC. Games like God of War are the exception to the new reality of AAA games: the price tag of games has stayed the same over the last decade or so, while production costs have increased.
    And so it only makes sense that games seek extra cash where they can, and prioritize whatever brings in that extra $.
    I know it's an unpopular idea but personally I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for CM, if only so that EA will prioritize the mode again.
    Because here's the cold hard truth: EA giving little love to CM is going to remain the status quo until they have reason to focus on it. And why would they, when FUT brings in a billion extra dollars? Honestly, with how much $$$ FUT rakes in, we're lucky CM is even still a thing.

    There is only one that really has the power and it is the user!. No matter what we rightly criticize EA for, the state and development the game has taken because users want it (FUT is and was and continues to be a hit). And then we 4-5-6% represent SIM wishes and better CM here being dissatisfied and wishing improvements. And yes, EA could be "nice" to us poor CM user, but they are a company where earnings are their main task. So it may and should not wonder where the focus is and always will be where the money is. They never ever will put their money where their mouth is! (stop naivety in general, not you p..).
    I agree that if it has to be changed, we must pay for an improved CM, do I think it is good development ?, no certainly not !. But it's the only way in this game. And to those who dream of a new game or developer, Unless an open source community would be created (many years long process), EA and Konami's road will just be the copied. There is only one clear signal that EA would understand, drop the game and save your money. But we do not want it (99.9% doesnt) because after all, we love this game too much, right?. I really have no problem with dreams and hope, but I have a lot with the annual naivety to EA.
    ImmortalMindz
    the price tag of games has stayed the same over the last decade or so, while production costs have increased.

    This is the reality we live in, and unfortunately the one that most people are least willing to accept.
    if the production costs did rise, the question is WHY? i mean, you have a finished game, ask for 60 bucks and next year you just 'modify' this game with tiny features, fixes and little updates and ask for another 60 bucks. Usually, u get a COMPLETE NEW GAME!
    Reason1:
    Look at how many people are involved in a game, twitter-manager, facebook-manager, community-manager, ESport-Managers, manger of the toilets and whatever managers there may still be LOL
    Reason2:
    Multiplayer, Server, ESports Events all this stuff costs a hell of money to keep it running for millions of people. Why should i pay for a mode i actually never play?
    Suntan Superman
    This is the reality we live in, and unfortunately the one that most people are least willing to accept.

    Maybe because no one is actually providing numbers with the argument. It just sounds reasonable. I'd love to find out if the development cost will rise to match the projections that say that fifa will bring in more than $3 billion annually for EA in the next couple of years. I sure hope they can afford to make more than 5 manager faces for CM.
    Yeah I do realise this is driven mostly by FUT, but at the end of the day we're just consumers, their annual report is not our concern. We'll all make a personal decision to buy the game or not, based on things like gameplay & game modes. That's all we can do & discuss.
    PPerfect_CJ
    I normally don’t condone hoping that someone loses their job, but I’m gonna make an exception, here. This is absolute garbage.

    The truth and EA do not go hand in hand. Simply remove/replace the words reach(earn) and audience and then you have the truth. Even if he is a producer, he is still only wage slave. Once you have fired him there is an endless line of copies ready to continue the purpose of the peak - more earnings, more money. Virtually everything that comes from their pr machine also applies Konami should not be believed. Although he lies, he tells an important information. Now everyone knows where they stand for the future and CM. Makes it easier to drop the annual wish note here.
    Actually, EA doesn't have any Priority to anything, just keep the servers running so the people can buy some fut-cards.
    Whatever, i gave up on this CM-topic years ago, i just look if the game(play) is entertaining for me and if it's worth full price or on sale. There are luckily enough other games to play outsidethere. But to be fair, atleast we have a CM included at all. It's not really the worst one could have think of, but could be really way way better and immersive.
    The saddest part, is that older games have better CMs than what we've ever had on this generation of consoles. The career modes on the PS2/PS3/Xbox/360 era were far superior to what it went to this generation. They removed so much, and never added anything worthwhile back. And in my opinion this was a move done intentionally to drive people towards other game modes, like FUT. But lets be honest, they are running a business. Their goal is to make as much money as possible. They've also been voted the worst company in gaming many times for how they treat their customers. And this point they don't care. Because they know people will buy their games regardless. So why would they ever do anything to change that.
    I'll hold out for them adding some sort of micro-transactions to CM so it gets some love for a year or two more. Its kind of sad when you have to hope they add a way to nickle and dime people so you can get a game/mode you enjoy playing. But for now I'm done with caring enough to talk about it anymore or buy the game at full price. I'll pick this up when its $30 or less, used so they don't get any money for my purchase.
    for the first year since sega mega system and Fifa 98 days ... i don't think I'm buying fifa this year. No CM improvements is really ordinary for a company that made hundreds of millions in FUT.
    they have the money and resources to improve it, but at this point utter greed wins out.
    i think i can stick to MLB the show and Red Dead for the whole year.
    Zac
    The saddest part, is that older games have better CMs than what we've ever had on this generation of consoles. The career modes on the PS2/PS3/Xbox/360 era were far superior to what it went to this generation. They removed so much, and never added anything worthwhile back. And in my opinion this was a move done intentionally to drive people towards other game modes, like FUT. But lets be honest, they are running a business. Their goal is to make as much money as possible. They've also been voted the worst company in gaming many times for how they treat their customers. And this point they don't care. Because they know people will buy their games regardless. So why would they ever do anything to change that.
    I'll hold out for them adding some sort of micro-transactions to CM so it gets some love for a year or two more. Its kind of sad when you have to hope they add a way to nickle and dime people so you can get a game/mode you enjoy playing. But for now I'm done with caring enough to talk about it anymore or buy the game at full price. I'll pick this up when its $30 or less, used so they don't get any money for my purchase.

    IDK Zac, the CM in FIFA is much better now than what it was on the PS3/PS2. I agree it hasn't been dramatically improved over the years but things like:
    Youth Academy
    Transfers/Deadline day/Negotiations
    Training system
    etc...
    are all markedly better than before.
    Yeah I'd still love a manager carousel and practice mode within CM to name a few but I understand their thinking and have seen a lot of work go into making the actual gameplay better.
    I agree with KG that we have seen some FIFA CM improvements over the years, whether or not they are to everyone's liking is another matter entirely.
    Seriously though, if you find yourself dealing with FIFA CM frustrations year after year, you're probably better off checking out Football Manager at this point. Yes, it is a completely different type of game, but it also has incredibly detailed management options that the FIFA series (or PES for that matter) will most likely never come close to.
    KG
    IDK Zac, the CM in FIFA is much better now than what it was on the PS3/PS2. I agree it hasn't been dramatically improved over the years but things like:
    Youth Academy
    Transfers/Deadline day/Negotiations
    Training system
    etc...
    are all markedly better than before.
    Yeah I'd still love a manager carousel and practice mode within CM to name a few but I understand their thinking and have seen a lot of work go into making the actual gameplay better.

    I'd argue training is worse. And youth is still just as bad as its ever been.
    And not mentioning the two you did, practice and carousel...
    In the PS2/3 days we had:
    Sponsors
    Stadium management
    Financial management (ticket pricing etc)
    A staff
    You could upgrade/improve/hire new staff
    Additional funds requests to the board
    Playing friendlies, and choosing who you play.
    Form of a player used to mean something.
    Internal memos, which were emails from fans, staff and board talking about how things were going, etc. Not just the cut/dry stuff we have now, and how you reacted effected the teams form/morale.
    Loan to buy offers when making a transfer.
    At one point there was an XP system and you could train players to improve how you wanted.
    End of season awards, team of the season.
    Transfer sagas, players unhappy and asking to leave.
    This is just off the top of my head.
    All of that was in the game from 05-13, and all had been removed by 14.
    If we still had this stuff, yes combined with the minimal things they've done, it would be amazing. But as it stands now its very flat and not very engaging.
    KG & Zac - I think you guys are both right honestly.
    On one hand, I'd argue that you could make the case that previous CMs (or MM as it was back then) were deeper. As Zac pointed out, there's a number of features that we once had that aren't around any longer.
    One thing that Zac didn't mention but was one of my all time favorites was the inclusion of Creation Centre. You could not only create an entire club and design their kits, crests, etc., but you could also scan your face in and there was an interesting path for developing your player separate from the usual growth system.
    It wasn't perfect but I loved Creation Centre. I'm actually surprised they haven't brought it back 'cause I'd imagine people would go nuts if you had the option to play yourself in FUT and have your own FUT player card.
    Back on topic, I think KG is right too though, in that while maybe we don't have as many features now as we once did, I'd argue that the implementation is better. The bar was very low so that's not saying much - and IMO the player training feature is terrible and the interactive negotiation cut scenes not much better - but I think you could at least say that transfers is vastly superior than it once was, and that's hugely important.
    I don't think it's as simple as just saying if we had all that they've removed we'd have a much better CM, because the truth is that most of the old features were really really poorly implemented.
    Regardless, ultimately we have a mode that is terribly shallow, doesn't replicate the experience of what running a club could look like, and is horribly below what you'd expect for 2018.
    ImmortalMindz
    It wasn't perfect but I loved Creation Centre. I'm actually surprised they haven't brought it back 'cause I'd imagine people would go nuts if you had the option to play yourself in FUT and have your own FUT player card.

    I was at E3 a few years back, FIFA 16 I'm pretty sure. The EA rep I spoke to at that time didn't even know what Creation Centre was. Granted, these booth guys are probably just talking heads, but pretty disheartening for the future of CC nonetheless.
    Zac
    I'd argue training is worse. And youth is still just as bad as its ever been.
    And not mentioning the two you did, practice and carousel...
    In the PS2/3 days we had:
    Sponsors
    Stadium management
    Financial management (ticket pricing etc)
    A staff
    You could upgrade/improve/hire new staff
    Additional funds requests to the board
    Playing friendlies, and choosing who you play.
    Form of a player used to mean something.
    Internal memos, which were emails from fans, staff and board talking about how things were going, etc. Not just the cut/dry stuff we have now, and how you reacted effected the teams form/morale.
    Loan to buy offers when making a transfer.
    At one point there was an XP system and you could train players to improve how you wanted.
    End of season awards, team of the season.
    Transfer sagas, players unhappy and asking to leave.
    This is just off the top of my head.
    All of that was in the game from 05-13, and all had been removed by 14.
    If we still had this stuff, yes combined with the minimal things they've done, it would be amazing. But as it stands now its very flat and not very engaging.

    Firstly, that's a HELL of a list off the top of your head. :appl:
    They def removed some of those things to make disc space for other modes, stadiums, etc... but a lot of those things you mentioned were terribly broken and/or sacrificed for realism/legal issues.
    There's no way that say, Chelsea, would EVER let you change their main kit sponsor. To be honest, I'm kinda surprised that PES still allows for option files for this same reason. Same thing with the stadium management, I don't think, with all the work they've put in for recreating stadiums, that they would let you add another 20k seats to Stamford Bridge. Maybe one of their generic stadiums though.
    A staff would cool, at least a technical director although you could say that the scouts (global/youth) sort of comprise one.
    I always thought asking for additional funds was kind of unrealistic. You'd go to the board while you're sitting top of the table and ask them for millions more for winning the league when it should be expected of you at that point.
    I think I'd rather have these preseason tournaments (FIFA 19 does them MORE right than PES 2019) than the older preseason friendlies but it would be a cool feature to bring back.
    Form still does mean something in FIFA, just not to the extremes of PES. I wish there was a chemistry/team spirit/team cohesion rating in FIFA though. A team like 15/16 Leicester is basically impossible in FIFA.
    Loan to buys would be cool but the transfer/loan system is MILES ahead of what it used to be. You used to have to pray that someone would take your kids on loan but so far in my test '19 CM I've seen players ask for loans to get more minutes and in-general haven't had any issues loaning out ~70 OVR rated players or so.
    That old training system was highly exploitable. You could train a player in his late twenties and make him find the fountain of youth.
    Transfer sagas still happen. I've had plenty of players force moves out over the years in FIFA. I've had the board sell players because the profits were too good to turn down.
    CM definitely could and should be better but a lot of the work was behind-the-scenes (getting transfers right, addressing CPU roster management which used to be horrible, etc...).
    Zac
    I'd argue training is worse. And youth is still just as bad as its ever been.
    And not mentioning the two you did, practice and carousel...
    In the PS2/3 days we had:
    Sponsors
    Stadium management
    Financial management (ticket pricing etc)
    A staff
    You could upgrade/improve/hire new staff
    Additional funds requests to the board
    Playing friendlies, and choosing who you play.
    Form of a player used to mean something.
    Internal memos, which were emails from fans, staff and board talking about how things were going, etc. Not just the cut/dry stuff we have now, and how you reacted effected the teams form/morale.
    Loan to buy offers when making a transfer.
    At one point there was an XP system and you could train players to improve how you wanted.
    End of season awards, team of the season.
    Transfer sagas, players unhappy and asking to leave.
    This is just off the top of my head.
    All of that was in the game from 05-13, and all had been removed by 14.
    If we still had this stuff, yes combined with the minimal things they've done, it would be amazing. But as it stands now its very flat and not very engaging.

    Firstly, that's a HELL of a list off the top of your head. :appl:
    They def removed some of those things to make disc space for other modes, stadiums, etc... but a lot of those things you mentioned were terribly broken and/or sacrificed for realism/legal issues.
    There's no way that say, Chelsea, would EVER let you change their main kit sponsor. To be honest, I'm kinda surprised that PES still allows for option files for this same reason. Same thing with the stadium management, I don't think, with all the work they've put in for recreating stadiums, that they would let you add another 20k seats to Stamford Bridge. Maybe one of their generic stadiums though.
    A staff would cool, at least a technical director although you could say that the scouts (global/youth) sort of comprise one.
    I always thought asking for additional funds was kind of unrealistic. You'd go to the board while you're sitting top of the table and ask them for millions more for winning the league when it should be expected of you at that point.
    I think I'd rather have these preseason tournaments (FIFA 19 does them MORE right than PES 2019) than the older preseason friendlies but it would be a cool feature to bring back.
    Form still does mean something in FIFA, just not to the extremes of PES. I wish there was a chemistry/team spirit/team cohesion rating in FIFA though. A team like 15/16 Leicester is basically impossible in FIFA.
    Loan to buys would be cool but the transfer/loan system is MILES ahead of what it used to be. You used to have to pray that someone would take your kids on loan but so far in my test '19 CM I've seen players ask for loans to get more minutes and in-general haven't had any issues loaning out ~70 OVR rated players or so.
    That old training system was highly exploitable. You could train a player in his late twenties and make him find the fountain of youth.
    Transfer sagas still happen. I've had plenty of players force moves out over the years in FIFA. I've had the board sell players because the profits were too good to turn down.
    CM definitely could and should be better but a lot of the work was behind-the-scenes (getting transfers right, addressing CPU roster management which used to be horrible, etc...).
    KG
    Firstly, that's a HELL of a list off the top of your head. :appl:

    I watched a video a few weeks backed that talked about most of them. Only reason they are fresh in my mind.
    Sigh. all i want is adding some stuff to CM and the ability to join your pro club mid match, even if you're on the bench and 1 of the CPU players have to sub out. Thats it.
    I'm a career mode (and pro clubs) player in both FIFA and PES, I'm not at all surprised that it hasn't been touched in 19, just as long as it's free of bugs that 17 had then I may be OK with it if the game has decent pace after day 1 patch. CM 10 years ago was much deeper and funcitonal, same goes on older Madden's franchise mode.
    If EA was smart they would just get rid of their XP points system and make all the boots, jerseys, celebrations, scout future star, etc. monetized. Since most of those are career mode additions it's basically micro-transactioning CM, and I would assume it would be easy and cheap to accomplish.
    Think of it like Coca-Cola. Some people like Coke, so they will buy Coke, some people like Sprite, so they will buy Sprite, some people like Fanta so they will buy Fanta. Currently EA is putting all their eggs in one basket instead of diversifying their options to potentially attract more consumers of their product.
    Essentially if they do that, and maybe make one or two additions to CM every year for marketing purposes, EA would have another source of revenue for FIFA (and essentially every other EA Sports game as well), and make more money (most likely profit) every year.
    Knowing EA even if they did implement this they would probably abuse it by making us pay for things that are already in the game such as stadiums, and presentation packages
    i would only pay additional $ to a main-game 60bucks if i'm really happy with the gameplay and CM. You know, more simulation-based and more depth/less bugs in CM or FIFA in general.... kind of support to develop further in that direction.
    ...so, the answer is actually zero to nothing if i look at fifa19 ;) and nothing minus 60 bucks is still nothing. To get 60 bucks is allready tough for a game, i mean, i need to work to buy a 60 € game, i am no youtuber or let's play streamer getting it for free.... and then adding additional microtransactions to an offline-mode?...hmm.
    Well from reading the reddit career threads, it looks like EA at least fixed some logic under the hood So we won't see to much egregious errors. Plus looks like your budget actually carries over this year. So thats good. Looking forward to digging into a Milan career and my pro clubs team at midnight.
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