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NBA, NBPA and 2K Announce Longterm Partnership Expansion - Reportedly a 7 Year Deal Worth $1.1 Billion

Take-Two Interactive, the NBA and NBPA have renewed their licensing deal, with a 7 year agreement for NBA 2K, worth as much as $1.1 billion, according to Eric Fisher, the SportsBusiness Journal and WSJ.

Read the full press release below.

NBA, NBPA AND 2K ANNOUNCE LONGTERM PARTNERSHIP EXPANSION

Agreement Expands Upon Success of NBA 2K – Interactive Entertainment Industry’s Top-Rated and Top-Selling NBA Video Game Simulation Series

The National Basketball Association (NBA), National Basketball Players Association (NBPA) and 2K, a wholly-owned label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO) and publisher of the leading global basketball video game NBA 2K, today announced a significant, multiyear global partnership extension. The agreement expands upon the success of NBA 2K, the top-rated and top-selling NBA video game simulation series for the past 17 years* that has sold-in more than 86 million units worldwide.

“The NBA has been an outstanding partner throughout the history of the NBA 2K franchise, contributing significantly to its unparalleled success and the ability to grow its audience around the world across a myriad of platforms and offerings,” said Strauss Zelnick, Chairman and CEO of Take-Two. “We’re thrilled to be in business with Adam and the entire team at the NBA, and enter into the longest-ever partnership extension between our organizations. Together, we’re confident that we will continue to find new and innovative ways to captivate and engage basketball fans, and expand further the success of the NBA 2K brand.”

NBA 2K recently launched NBA 2K19 after setting a series record for NBA 2K18 with 10 million units sold. This year marks the 20th anniversary of the video game franchise.

An entire generation of basketball fans engage and connect with NBA teams and players through NBA 2K,” said NBA Commissioner Adam Silver. “We are grateful to extend our partnership with Take-Two and the NBPA to build on the enormous popularity of the NBA 2K franchise and the continued global growth of basketball.”

“NBA 2K has become an important part of the NBA culture both for our players and fans,” said NBPA Executive Director Michele Roberts. “Kudos to THINK450 for successfully negotiating this extension on the NBPA’s behalf.  We look forward to continuing this partnership with the League and Take-Two Interactive.”

Other facets of the partnership include NBA 2K Online and NBA 2K Online 2, which together have 40 million registered users and is the #1 PC online sports game in China. In addition, 2K recently published NBA 2K Playgrounds 2, NBA 2K Mobile,and launched the groundbreaking NBA 2K League in May 2018.

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  1. DukesofHazzard
    I wish 2k would put the passion into coming out with 2k Baseball and Hockey again

    when the money is flowing, you don't care as much. you get too big. 2k got a big head, that's my opinion.
    Mintsa
    Is this an exclusive license ??

    I don't think it is, but I can't see EA attempting to make a similar deal once their agreement is over given the poor sales of of NBA Live. Effectively, NBA Live is pretty dead.
    ksuttonjr76
    I don't think it is, but I can't see EA attempting to make a similar deal once their agreement is over given the poor sales of of NBA Live. Effectively, NBA Live is pretty dead.

    True......if it was exclusive, it would’ve said it.
    But it might just be too expensive/not worth it for EA to match to keep Live going......thus in a way it is an exclusive deal by default.
    Of course this is pure speculation on my part.
    No surprise here. It's like Madden and the NFL. It's still crazy to see an NBA game outselling the NFL. I wonder if this new deal is closer to the NFLs or not. Then again, it's not exclusive so I doubt it. 2K keeps the money rolling in between RDR and GTA releases.
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    Micro-transactions are here to stay. With that kind of payola, expect to see more VC used throughout the game.
    Also interesting to see the focus on the younger demographic and China. That’s where the $$$ is, so I’d look there for the future direction of the franchise.
    ksuttonjr76
    I don't think it is, but I can't see EA attempting to make a similar deal once their agreement is over given the poor sales of of NBA Live. Effectively, NBA Live is pretty dead.

    Mintsa
    True......if it was exclusive, it would’ve said it.
    But it might just be too expensive/not worth it for EA to match to keep Live going......thus in a way it is an exclusive deal by default.
    Of course this is pure speculation on my part.

    I think it's death......
    jeebs9
    I think it's death......

    Yup.....I remember the last announcement like this 2012 ?? And it was for both 2k and EA.
    Unless EA is going to make a similar announcement very very soon. This is the end of Live.......
    Mintsa
    Is this an exclusive license ??

    Nope, but Take Two paying $150+ million a year for the NBA license means EA is probably going to drop Live when their deal expires if that's the price for them as well. No chance they're shoving that much cash into a license for a game that sells so poorly.
    Personally, I think this is going to come back and bite Take Two in the rear end in 2-3 years, because there's no way they're keeping up this kind of success for the longevity of this deal. And when the sales drop, that's when VC costs get higher and grinding gets even worse for those that still play on the blacktops because now they have to make at least $150 million a year just to break even, and that's not even factoring in the marketing, employees and how much this game costs to make year in and year out.
    BA2929
    Nope, but Take Two paying $150+ million a year for the NBA license means EA is probably going to drop Live when their deal expires if that's the price for them as well. No chance they're shoving that much cash into a license for a game that sells so poorly.
    Personally, I think this is going to come back and bite Take Two in the rear end in 2-3 years, because there's no way they're keeping up this kind of success for the longevity of this deal. And when the sales drop, that's when VC costs get higher and grinding gets even worse for those that still play on the blacktops because now they have to make at least $150 million a year just to break even, and that's not even factoring in the marketing, employees and how much this game costs to make year in and year out.

    Yup. If that’s the price tag for EA. Live is gone. But is EA’s price tags different because Live’s revenue is so much less......
    BA2929
    Nope, but Take Two paying $150+ million a year for the NBA license means EA is probably going to drop Live when their deal expires if that's the price for them as well. No chance they're shoving that much cash into a license for a game that sells so poorly.
    Personally, I think this is going to come back and bite Take Two in the rear end in 2-3 years, because there's no way they're keeping up this kind of success for the longevity of this deal. And when the sales drop, that's when VC costs get higher and grinding gets even worse for those that still play on the blacktops because now they have to make at least $150 million a year just to break even, and that's not even factoring in the marketing, employees and how much this game costs to make year in and year out.

    How in the hell did you come to the conclusion about maintaining its success? NBA 2K is breaking sales records. It just blows my mind how people keep having this "NBA 2K is going to fall off" mindset despite sales saying the complete opposite.
    DukesofHazzard
    I wish 2k would put the passion into coming out with 2k Baseball and Hockey again

    Their baseball and hockey games were terrible. That is the reason they stopped making them, they weren't good at it.
    ksuttonjr76
    How in the hell did you come to the conclusion about maintaining its success? NBA 2K is breaking sales records. It just blows my mind how people keep having this "NBA 2K is going to fall off" mindset despite sales saying the complete opposite.

    I want to say all the bad will, negativity, and trash servers will eventually bite them in the *** but with the way things are trending, I dont see it. VC is gonna be shoved down our throats til we get some regulations or something, I dont think people will hit 2k with the star wars treatment
    triplechin
    I want to say all the bad will, negativity, and trash servers will eventually bite them in the *** but with the way things are trending, I dont see it. VC is gonna be shoved down our throats til we get some regulations or something, I dont think people will hit 2k with the star wars treatment

    Lol I’m just waiting for the day the servers kick someone during a 2kleague playoff game or something big for them.
    triplechin
    I want to say all the bad will, negativity, and trash servers will eventually bite them in the *** but with the way things are trending, I dont see it. VC is gonna be shoved down our throats til we get some regulations or something, I dont think people will hit 2k with the star wars treatment

    In my mind, NBA 2K would have to do something drastically wrong to fall off. EA, as a company, screwed up by letting Mike Wang walk and then tried to reinvent the wheel with new gameplay mechanics THEN they took off 3 years and left the market to NBA 2K. NBA 2K will not make the same mistakes. Period. As much as people want to spin the narrative "2K Sports is getting big headed, and they will eventually fail", the numbers don't support this theory.
    As long as they keep making minor yearly improvements to the gameplay, adding additional content, keeping hiring OS members, accepting feedback, avoid knee jerk gameplay patches, and keep VC earnings to a "reasonable" level....they have a long way to go before they fall off. Heck...they're really a Kushmir, Sam Pham, Splashmountain, HowardPhillips214, or Rashidi type of people from having a great game. Sorry I don't know any diehard MyLeague/MyTeam people.
    ksuttonjr76
    In my mind, NBA 2K would have to do something drastically wrong to fall off. EA, as a company, screwed up by letting Mike Wang walk and then tried to reinvent the wheel with new gameplay mechanics THEN they took off 3 years and left the market to NBA 2K. NBA 2K will not make the same mistakes. Period. As much as people want to spin the narrative "2K Sports is getting big headed, and they will eventually fail", the numbers don't support this theory.
    As long as they keep making minor yearly improvements to the gameplay, adding additional content, keeping hiring OS members, accepting feedback, avoid knee jerk gameplay patches, and keep VC earnings to a "reasonable" level....they have a long way to go before they fall off. Heck...they're really a Kushmir, Sam Pham, Splashmountain, HowardPhillips214, or Rashidi type of people from having a great game. Sorry I don't know any diehard MyLeague/MyTeam people.

    and dont forget about ESPORT. I think that's why the price tag is so high. ESPORTS has plenty room to grow, then factor in the gambling aspects, and streaming of said leagues. that will equal alot of money for 2k.
    within the 7 years we will also see the music and the ads (product placement) updated regularly with patches. the generation of revenue for 2k/NBA partnership has so much potential.
    this deal goes beyond just selling the game itself. they are obviously forecasting alot of growth in other areas.
    Goffs
    Damn....there goes Live coming to PC. I just want more sports games in PC space.
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    Live still has a few more years. then they will have to fold up shop or go in a new direction.
    not a Live fan at all, but they will fill the void, because NBA2k is becoming too difficult for casual gamers, and they don't seem to care about that.
    hey 2k if you are reading this. bring back the casual, sim, arcade, and default settings.
    Gotmadskillzson
    Their baseball and hockey games were terrible. That is the reason they stopped making them, they weren't good at it.

    disagree.
    mLB2k12 is still alive and well. there are plenty of updated rosters and mods for the game.
    if you want to see a nicely balanced game thats both sim and has enough arcade elements. then mlb2k12 /13 are the games for you. plus the presentation commentary/play by play is lively and top notch. ball park atmospheres are great also.
    NHL2k10 is still fun to play but is starting to show its age.
    I wish they would bring both these titles back as well as CH2k and a football title. a new version of APF with a dynasty mode would be worth taking a risk to produce.
    ksuttonjr76
    In my mind, NBA 2K would have to do something drastically wrong to fall off. EA, as a company, screwed up by letting Mike Wang walk and then tried to reinvent the wheel with new gameplay mechanics THEN they took off 3 years and left the market to NBA 2K. NBA 2K will not make the same mistakes. Period. As much as people want to spin the narrative "2K Sports is getting big headed, and they will eventually fail", the numbers don't support this theory.
    As long as they keep making minor yearly improvements to the gameplay, adding additional content, keeping hiring OS members, accepting feedback, avoid knee jerk gameplay patches, and keep VC earnings to a "reasonable" level....they have a long way to go before they fall off. Heck...they're really a Kushmir, Sam Pham, Splashmountain, HowardPhillips214, or Rashidi type of people from having a great game. Sorry I don't know any diehard MyLeague/MyTeam people.

    Hire the SimWorld Boys for MyLeague and Rosters. For real they are incredible.
    It have to be over with for NBA live. Might as well been an exclusive deal. There is no way live can afford around $120 million a year. I don’t think Live is even making a profit right now
    Gotmadskillzson
    Their baseball and hockey games were terrible. That is the reason they stopped making them, they weren't good at it.

    i'd have to disagree. they stopped making the games because they werent making money. The goaltenders in 2k8 were better than ea has ever been able to drump up.
    2019 and every goalie in the NHl has the same playing style in ea games? terrible skating engines and a lack of physics. Its pretty much like fifa/madden at this point where people will purchase it cause thats the only game avail in the sport they follow.
    I’m fine with 2k making the games as long as offline MyLeague is something they’ll continually have. I just hope it’s more functional in the future. It still takes the majority of my gaming time every year
    tril
    disagree.
    mLB2k12 is still alive and well. there are plenty of updated rosters and mods for the game.
    if you want to see a nicely balanced game thats both sim and has enough arcade elements. then mlb2k12 /13 are the games for you. plus the presentation commentary/play by play is lively and top notch. ball park atmospheres are great also.
    NHL2k10 is still fun to play but is starting to show its age.
    I wish they would bring both these titles back as well as CH2k and a football title. a new version of APF with a dynasty mode would be worth taking a risk to produce.

    You may disagree and you have every right to your opinion, but there is a reason, why they quit making MLB2k, its because it couldnt come remotely close to being as good as MLBTS. MLB2k had so many flaws and bugs, that franchise was a joke for any hardcore fan. It was MLB2k being so crappy, that I made the switch from xbox360 to PS3, just for MLBTS.
    But this isnt a baseball thread, its basketball, so back on topic, I figure with no better than EA is doing with NBA Live, its just a matter of time, before the EA cuts bait, and quits making basketball.
    Just like with 2k and baseball, EA just isnt good at making basketball. I dont know if their devs just arent hardcore fans, and are more casual, which is why their games just arent very good, or if its the higher ups, not giving the resources needed to be able to match the competition.
    NBA2k has it issues, I only play offline MyLeague, and the issues have been well documented, without much effort by 2k to fix those issues. But even with those flaws, there Franchise mode even with its issues, is still by far better and the deepest than any other sports game is.
    I know some people feel that when there isnt competition in the marketplace, for that sports video game, that it causes the company making games to get lazy. I dont know about that, I do feel competition is a good thing, but if the competition is so inferior like NBA Live is to NBA2k, its not really competition even with another game on the market. Just look at what MLB2k was trying to do with their inferior game to MLBTS, they were putting up a 1 million dolllar challenge to anyone who could throw a perfect game, and they still couldnt compete with The Show, and The Show was a PS only game, while MLB2k was on both consoles, and it still wasnt able to compete.
    So it just goes to show, if the competition is that inferior, then its really not competition, now is it;)
    I really dont think devs look at not having competition, and think, hey great we dont have to work as hard,lol, Im sure they take pride in what they do, and still want to do their best. Now maybe the higher ups, take some resources away, that causes the game not to move forward quite as quick, that I dont know, but competition, or no competition, I think the devs go to work each day, wanting to make the best possible game.
    Granted I dont like the route they are taking, these sports games, as Im not a online player, nor am I into gimic fantasy modes. But thats just me, and it seems us hardcore sports fans, are a minority now, as the younger generation, are more casual, as far as not caring about playing and building a Franchise up.
    So from a business standpoint, your going to do what makes you the most money, in your bottom line. And that is the top goal for any business, whether your a farmer like me, or a video game maker, your going to focus on what makes you the most money.
    CaseIH
    You may disagree and you have every right to your opinion, but there is a reason, why they quit making MLB2k, its because it couldnt come remotely close to being as good as MLBTS. MLB2k had so many flaws and bugs, that franchise was a joke for any hardcore fan. It was MLB2k being so crappy, that I made the switch from xbox360 to PS3, just for MLBTS.
    But this isnt a baseball thread, its basketball, so back on topic, I figure with no better than EA is doing with NBA Live, its just a matter of time, before the EA cuts bait, and quits making basketball.
    Just like with 2k and baseball, EA just isnt good at making basketball. I dont know if their devs just arent hardcore fans, and are more casual, which is why their games just arent very good, or if its the higher ups, not giving the resources needed to be able to match the competition.
    NBA2k has it issues, I only play offline MyLeague, and the issues have been well documented, without much effort by 2k to fix those issues. But even with those flaws, there Franchise mode even with its issues, is still by far better and the deepest than any other sports game is.
    I know some people feel that when there isnt competition in the marketplace, for that sports video game, that it causes the company making games to get lazy. I dont know about that, I do feel competition is a good thing, but if the competition is so inferior like NBA Live is to NBA2k, its not really competition even with another game on the market. Just look at what MLB2k was trying to do with their inferior game to MLBTS, they were putting up a 1 million dolllar challenge to anyone who could throw a perfect game, and they still couldnt compete with The Show, and The Show was a PS only game, while MLB2k was on both consoles, and it still wasnt able to compete.
    So it just goes to show, if the competition is that inferior, then its really not competition, now is it;)
    I really dont think devs look at not having competition, and think, hey great we dont have to work as hard,lol, Im sure they take pride in what they do, and still want to do their best. Now maybe the higher ups, take some resources away, that causes the game not to move forward quite as quick, that I dont know, but competition, or no competition, I think the devs go to work each day, wanting to make the best possible game.
    Granted I dont like the route they are taking, these sports games, as Im not a online player, nor am I into gimic fantasy modes. But thats just me, and it seems us hardcore sports fans, are a minority now, as the younger generation, are more casual, as far as not caring about playing and building a Franchise up.
    So from a business standpoint, your going to do what makes you the most money, in your bottom line. And that is the top goal for any business, whether your a farmer like me, or a video game maker, your going to focus on what makes you the most money.
    Agree 100%. The better products just won. I love 2K, but their baseball game couldn't compete with a more complete product like The Show. It just couldn't. And its little surprise to me that it isn't around anymore. It's just business. Those last 2 years of MLB2K were literally roster updates. I trust 2K with hoops. Baseball and hockey, even football at this point I'm not sure. I'd definitely give them a serious look, though.
    As for Live, after not being able to get a foothold this gen, I'm not expecting them to continue into the next one. They gave it a good shot. The last 2 games have been decent, but still a long ways off. Even at 10$ it's hard for people to get games in because the player base is so small. It's all speculative, of course, but I don't think this extension and license price are gonna factor into the future of the series more than the reality it was already facing.
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    2K i could see doing well in football. Even hockey because EA makes crap hockey games. But baseball, no, 2K is done with baseball forever. I just wish 2K would make a generic college hoops title, just one, so that we can mod this heck out of it to get it to be real college hoops so we can play that alongside our MyLeagues with the NBA and the G-League. Would be so fun to have a real current gen college hoops game and then transfer those guys into draft classes in the real 2K.
    DocHolliday
    Hire the SimWold Boys for MyLeague and Rosters. For real they are incredible.

    Seriously. Ever since I moved from Xbox to PS4, my desire to play MyLeague has fallen off because I no longer have the SimWorld stuff to use. I've never been more immersed in a franchise mode than I was in the Xbox 360 days with SimWorld's rosters, draft classes, and PowerPoint scouting reports.
    ksuttonjr76
    How in the hell did you come to the conclusion about maintaining its success? NBA 2K is breaking sales records. It just blows my mind how people keep having this "NBA 2K is going to fall off" mindset despite sales saying the complete opposite.

    because EA was selling like hotcakes too until ...they werent.
    splashmountain
    because EA was selling like hotcakes too until ...they werent.

    You might want to recheck your NBA Live history. Live didn't fall off, because of a sudden backlash against the game. NBA 2K was actually legit competition and introduced a lot of people to the game when they sold NBA/NFL 2K5 for $19.99 on release day. NBA 2K slowly took away market shares from NBA Live, because it was arguably the better game.
    NBA Live 10 was a legit game, because it was the one year that Mike Wang directed the gameplay. From there, EA made some stupid and costly mistakes, the first being was letting Mike Wang walk who went on to create arguably the best NBA 2K which featured Jordan who is the most recognizable NBA player in the history of basketball. EA, on the other hand, decided to create a brand new game engine which forced NBA Elite 11 to be cancelled due to the scrutiny it was getting. NBA Live 12 and 13 was cancelled as well which left the basketball market to NBA 2K to dominate who went on to introduce classic teams and expand on the soon-to-be-super-popular mode of MyCareer.
    NBA Live 13 and 14 were released, but who wants to play with regular NBA teams when you can create your own player and be a superstar? NBA 2K14 makes a great transition into the next generation of consoles while NBA Live 14 suffers once again from a gameplay perspective. NBA 2K15 steps up the Park mode which takes the MyCareer mode to a whole new level of fantasy, and the rest is pretty much history.
    For the NBA 2K franchise to fail on the level that NBA Live did, it would take an act of God for it to happen.
    youALREADYknow
    Micro-transactions are here to stay.

    I think that's still up in the air - long term. If NBA Live made a 100% free upgrade game, you don't think that'd take some of 2K's customers? Many 2K fans have gotten burnt out on the "grind".
    ksuttonjr76
    You might want to recheck your NBA Live history. Live didn't fall off, because of a sudden backlash against the game. NBA 2K was actually legit competition and introduced a lot of people to the game when they sold NBA/NFL 2K5 for $19.99 on release day. NBA 2K slowly took away market shares from NBA Live, because it was arguably the better game.
    NBA Live 10 was a legit game, because it was the one year that Mike Wang directed the gameplay. From there, EA made some stupid and costly mistakes, the first being was letting Mike Wang walk who went on to create arguably the best NBA 2K which featured Jordan who is the most recognizable NBA player in the history of basketball. EA, on the other hand, decided to create a brand new game engine which forced NBA Elite 11 to be cancelled due to the scrutiny it was getting. NBA Live 12 and 13 was cancelled as well which left the basketball market to NBA 2K to dominate who went on to introduce classic teams and expand on the soon-to-be-super-popular mode of MyCareer.
    NBA Live 13 and 14 were released, but who wants to play with regular NBA teams when you can create your own player and be a superstar? NBA 2K14 makes a great transition into the next generation of consoles while NBA Live 14 suffers once again from a gameplay perspective. NBA 2K15 steps up the Park mode which takes the MyCareer mode to a whole new level of fantasy, and the rest is pretty much history.
    For the NBA 2K franchise to fail on the level that NBA Live did, it would take an act of God for it to happen.

    Bro I'm watching garbage low IQ players who have OP stretch's and sharps regularly get 50 ppg in JRC + drain hand in face 3's constantly...for 3 yrs. This alone has a huge impact on gameplay. Can we still honestly say 2K is the "better product" when it comes to gameplay? The game has gone ARCADE. Right now there's no competition, in the future, who knows.
    All NBA Live has to do is
    1) Make more realistic gameplay. You know, where defense matters
    2) Be the anti-VC anti-grind, hop in and play
    3) Add modes
    ksuttonjr76
    How in the hell did you come to the conclusion about maintaining its success? NBA 2K is breaking sales records. It just blows my mind how people keep having this "NBA 2K is going to fall off" mindset despite sales saying the complete opposite.

    Ok so if 2K goes full out NBA JAM arcade (in some areas of gameplay, it already is), you think that will have zero impact on sales? Can the 2K community still trust this company to make the right decisions when it comes to gameplay? Lately, I haven't seen it. They care more about VC and that the casual noob can score 50 with a pure sharp. Credibility and respect within the basketball gaming community - I think that still matters. Marketing matters too. 2K has gotten a lot of positive marketing through the years, but depending on the quality of the product, that can change. You may disagree, but gameplay is still king.
    Keith01
    I think that's still up in the air - long term. If NBA Live made a 100% free upgrade game, you don't think that'd take some of 2K's customers? Many 2K fans have gotten burnt out on the "grind".

    If Live was gonna be the savior it would have been so already. You would be on to it already. So would the other people sick of 2K. The game has been between 5 and 10 bucks (even as low as 2.50 with PS Plus) the last few years. They're giving it away trying to grow the game. Just admit that you guys don't give a crap about that game except to bash 2K. And even if Live doesn't go anywhere, like Sutton said, 2K would have to do a lot more than push VC do go anywhere. It ain't happening, bro.
    Keith01
    Bro I'm watching garbage low IQ players who have OP stretch's and sharps regularly get 50 ppg in JRC + drain hand in face 3's constantly...for 3 yrs. This alone has a huge impact on gameplay. Can we still honestly say 2K is the "better product" when it comes to gameplay? The game has gone ARCADE. Right now there's no competition, in the future, who knows.
    All NBA Live has to do is
    1) Make more realistic gameplay. You know, where defense matters
    2) Be the anti-VC anti-grind, hop in and play
    3) Add modes

    NBA Live is not the savior of simulation basketball. I play it on occasion, because of its easy pickup and go gameplay. However, it has no where near the depth of gameplay or control like NBA 2K19, and I'm just talking about the simple H2H online games. NBA Live is checkers while NBA 2K is chess to me. Granted, I don't dabble that much in the Park and JRC, because that group of gamers is not for me nor it fits my personality when it comes to basketball.
    NBA Live at $10 for a month doesn't outdo NBA 2K19's weekly sales. People are speaking with their wallets, and they're saying that NBA 2K19 is the better game. If you want "realistic" gameplay, then you seriously have to decide if you should be playing offline or a different game modes. Clearly, you don't like the current meta of the online Park and JRC modes.
    There seems to be a lot of missinformation here. First, there is no mention of exclusivity. If that were the case believe me 2K would have put that out there and it would have been in the PR. Another thing to note on the figured mentioned. It clearly states that the deal COULD be worth over $1 billion. What that means is this is some revenue sharing deal wherin 2K will share profits with EA.
    This is JUST A PR STUNT to gain attention. It work so good for them.
    roswell0075
    There seems to be a lot of missinformation here. First, there is no mention of exclusivity. If that were the case believe me 2K would have put that out there and it would have been in the PR. Another thing to note on the figured mentioned. It clearly states that the deal COULD be worth over $1 billion. What that means is this is some revenue sharing deal wherin 2K will share profits with EA.
    This is JUST A PR STUNT to gain attention. It work so good for them.

    This deal has nothing to do with EA and is not "a PR stunt to gain attention." You can't come in here talking about misinformation and then spit out this nonsense. This is an extension of 2K's current licensing agreement with the NBA and NBPA. That has absolutely nothing to do with sharing anything with EA. Each publisher has their own separate licensing agreement with the two sports entities. It states that the deal can be worth as much as $1.1 billion over the life of the deal likely based on performance incentives or possibly even language in the deal that might allow 2K to produce another game using the two licenses if they choose to go that route. It's like if a player signs a deal that is reported to be $10 million dollars a year for 3 years, but the deal could be worth as much as $40 million dollars. That doesn't mean he's revenue sharing with another guy on the team, it means he has performance incentives or other stipulations in the contract that will pay him more if they're hit.
    Junior Moe
    If Live was gonna be the savior it would have been so already. You would be on to it already. So would the other people sick of 2K. The game has been between 5 and 10 bucks (even as low as 2.50 with PS Plus) the last few years. They're giving it away trying to grow the game. Just admit that you guys don't give a crap about that game except to bash 2K. And even if Live doesn't go anywhere, like Sutton said, 2K would have to do a lot more than push VC do go anywhere. It ain't happening, bro.

    It ain't happening 'yet'. No it wouldn't have happened already 'cause
    1) the 2K 'squeeze the consumer til they burst' strategy is still fairly new. You may not see it at OS, but go on other sites. Players are sick of this 'grind' for 100000 hrs model. I think you will see some burnout in the future, maybe 2K20.
    2) NBA Live isn't there yet, but who knows what the future holds? I'm talking 2-3 yrs away.
    3) Competition is good, you should want NBA Live to be better. Keeps super greedy companies and shady practices more honest.
    4) I admit it, I don't give a crap about NBA Live lol, never have for the most part. I'm just saying, there's an opportunity and market there to be the "anti-2K". Kinda like how DuckDuckGo is the "anti-Google". Their entire strategy is based off being an alternative.
    It may not happen for 2K20, but if NBA Live was smart, they'd market everything as the "anti-2K" "anti-grind" "anti-VC"
    ksuttonjr76
    NBA Live is not the savior of simulation basketball. I play it on occasion, because of its easy pickup and go gameplay. However, it has no where near the depth of gameplay or control like NBA 2K19, and I'm just talking about the simple H2H online games. NBA Live is checkers while NBA 2K is chess to me. Granted, I don't dabble that much in the Park and JRC, because that group of gamers is not for me nor it fits my personality when it comes to basketball.
    NBA Live at $10 for a month doesn't outdo NBA 2K19's weekly sales. People are speaking with their wallets, and they're saying that NBA 2K19 is the better game. If you want "realistic" gameplay, then you seriously have to decide if you should be playing offline or a different game modes. Clearly, you don't like the current meta of the online Park and JRC modes.

    They don't have to be a great simulation anymore. You've even said it yourself that 2K is raking in the bugs because of the casuals who wouldn't know much difference. The casuals come in for the MODES, online dynamics, and customizations. Therefore all NBA Live has to do is recreate the open world experience, be the anti-2K when it comes to crazy grinding and VC, and hype it up. Park is ALREADY Arcade, the casuals won't know the difference.
    ksuttonjr76

    If you want "realistic" gameplay, then you seriously have to decide if you should be playing offline or a different game modes. Clearly, you don't like the current meta of the online Park and JRC modes.

    I love online multiplayer dynamics, the gameplay is a different story. That's why more people need to complain about the unrealistic bs.
    Keith01
    It ain't happening 'yet'. No it wouldn't have happened already 'cause
    1) the 2K 'squeeze the consumer til they burst' strategy is still fairly new. You may not see it at OS, but go on other sites. Players are sick of this 'grind' for 100000 hrs model. I think you will see some burnout in the future, maybe 2K20.
    2) NBA Live isn't there yet, but who knows what the future holds? I'm talking 2-3 yrs away.
    3) Competition is good, you should want NBA Live to be better. Keeps super greedy companies and shady practices more honest.
    4) I admit it, I don't give a crap about NBA Live lol, never have for the most part. I'm just saying, there's an opportunity and market there to be the "anti-2K". Kinda like how DuckDuckGo is the "anti-Google". Their entire strategy is based off being an alternative.
    It may not happen for 2K20, but if NBA Live was smart, they'd market everything as the "anti-2K" "anti-grind" "anti-VC"

    1) NBA 2K18 was about as close to squeezing the Customer as it's going to get. Personally, the VC is much better in 2K19 than it was in 2K18, and I was probably the biggest complainer of the 2K18 grind. I basically took the entire year to upgrade one player in 2K18. This year, I'm already sitting on 140K VC, and I don't consider myself a diehard who plays the game everyday. Truthfully, I'm on pace to be able to create two players when I finally decide to cut back on PNO games.
    2) They been saying that about NBA Live since Live 10...in 2-3 years, the game will finally challenge 2K blah, blah, blah, blah....
    3) NBA Live and EA have pretty much proven that they're not the company to compete against NBA 2K.
    4) Google is a verb at this point...Google has a stranglehold as being the go-to search engine and is part of entire ecosystem in the Android smartphone while providing personalize results based on your previous searches, web browsing, location, and collected data. DuckDuckGo, Bing, Yahoo, etc are not breaking that stranglehold anytime soon. There's more to challenging a top company then merely existing as an alternative.
    Keith01
    It ain't happening 'yet'. No it wouldn't have happened already 'cause
    1) the 2K 'squeeze the consumer til they burst' strategy is still fairly new. You may not see it at OS, but go on other sites. Players are sick of this 'grind' for 100000 hrs model. I think you will see some burnout in the future, maybe 2K20.
    2) NBA Live isn't there yet, but who knows what the future holds? I'm talking 2-3 yrs away.
    3) Competition is good, you should want NBA Live to be better. Keeps super greedy companies and shady practices more honest.
    4) I admit it, I don't give a crap about NBA Live lol, never have for the most part. I'm just saying, there's an opportunity and market there to be the "anti-2K". Kinda like how DuckDuckGo is the "anti-Google". Their entire strategy is based off being an alternative.
    It may not happen for 2K20, but if NBA Live was smart, they'd market everything as the "anti-2K" "anti-grind" "anti-VC"
    After this I'm done with you VC people who swear you're (and by extension everyone who plays the game) being exploited.
    1. That's not a strategy. Judging by OS and literally every online space every game is crap. I just clicked the comments on a Nintendo video advertising New Super Mario Bro deluxe and most of the comments are moaning about it being a port and how Nintendo shouldn't charge 60$ for it. Its greedy, lazy, blah, blah, blah... Watch it be one of the best selling games of the month. That's just the nature of the beast with online comments. If 2K19 sells 5 million copies instead of 10 then that could be burnout or the supposed rage with VC manifesting itself. 2K18 was crushed harder than any 2K game ever with even reviews hitting them for their VC practices. It's the best selling of the series. 2K19 is on that same track.
    2. That game has been around an entire gen and it still can't get off the mat. But, sure, 2 or 3 more years...
    3. Competition in and of itself is not necessarily good. I dont think that axiom applies with gaming. The Show was a better game than MLB 2K. It just was. Those games didn't push each other. One team just made a better product. The better product is still around. Same with Live and 2K. It was a gradual climb, then they were even, Live panicked, the rest is history. Even without "competition" (which it has, NBA 2K is competing for the same 60$ as every other game) year in and year out 2K easily delivers the deepest sports game on the market. I'm not just talking about ML. What sports game has offensive and defensive systems as deep as 2K. This isn't back of the box stuff. While we appreciate it, the game isn't selling 10 million copies because of it. But it's there and they try to improve it every year.
    4. I already knew that. Its painfully obvious. Lol! But props for owning it, I respect that. Some of these guys front like they actually give that game a passing thought. I think Live has been pushing what you suggested. The audience either isn't buying it, or dont consider the flaws with 2K big enough to switch. IDK. I dont think a product can flourish being the "anti" anything. A product needs an identity; find your audience, put out a consistently good/great product, and let it grow. I honestly think that Live is on that track, it's just that in the last 10 years or so sports gaming appears to only allow 1 game of a particular sport to thrive. But who knows.
    Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app
    NBA live biggest hurdle potentially going forward is 2k's partnership with the NBA via Esports. The NBA will always push 2k over Live because of this association. Live only hope going forward is the next generation of gaming consoles if Live comes out firing they can easily win back the hearts of the fan base, but if 2k comes out with another 2k14 like presentation it's a wrap.
    Don't see how this will "come back to bite " Take Two in the end. It hasn't bitten EA over Madden. I'm beyond glad this way I can save $10-$15 dollars a year cause There will only be 1 bball game to pick up. $70-$135 over the next 7 years is great.????????????????
    2k would probably do well to make a soccer game. FIFA has a lot of bugs in career mode and it’s obvious they only care about ultimate team. We don’t even have all the teams in the game that were in last years World Cup, that were in FIFA 18! I know it would be pretty hard to pull off all the licensing and what not especially since FIFA just added the champions league, but everyone is clamoring for their sports games with myleague type depth.
    ksuttonjr76
    1) NBA 2K18 was about as close to squeezing the Customer as it's going to get. Personally, the VC is much better in 2K19 than it was in 2K18, and I was probably the biggest complainer of the 2K18 grind. I basically took the entire year to upgrade one player in 2K18. This year, I'm already sitting on 140K VC, and I don't consider myself a diehard who plays the game everyday. Truthfully, I'm on pace to be able to create two players when I finally decide to cut back on PNO games.
    2) They been saying that about NBA Live since Live 10...in 2-3 years, the game will finally challenge 2K blah, blah, blah, blah....
    3) NBA Live and EA have pretty much proven that they're not the company to compete against NBA 2K.
    4) Google is a verb at this point...Google has a stranglehold as being the go-to search engine and is part of entire ecosystem in the Android smartphone while providing personalize results based on your previous searches, web browsing, location, and collected data. DuckDuckGo, Bing, Yahoo, etc are not breaking that stranglehold anytime soon. There's more to challenging a top company then merely existing as an alternative.

    Junior Moe
    After this I'm done with you VC people who swear you're (and by extension everyone who plays the game) being exploited.
    1. That's not a strategy. Judging by OS and literally every online space every game is crap. I just clicked the comments on a Nintendo video advertising New Super Mario Bro deluxe and most of the comments are moaning about it being a port and how Nintendo shouldn't charge 60$ for it. Its greedy, lazy, blah, blah, blah... Watch it be one of the best selling games of the month. That's just the nature of the beast with online comments. If 2K19 sells 5 million copies instead of 10 then that could be burnout or the supposed rage with VC manifesting itself. 2K18 was crushed harder than any 2K game ever with even reviews hitting them for their VC practices. It's the best selling of the series. 2K19 is on that same track.
    2. That game has been around an entire gen and it still can't get off the mat. But, sure, 2 or 3 more years...
    3. Competition in and of itself is not necessarily good. I dont think that axiom applies with gaming. The Show was a better game than MLB 2K. It just was. Those games didn't push each other. One team just made a better product. The better product is still around. Same with Live and 2K. It was a gradual climb, then they were even, Live panicked, the rest is history. Even without "competition" (which it has, NBA 2K is competing for the same 60$ as every other game) year in and year out 2K easily delivers the deepest sports game on the market. I'm not just talking about ML. What sports game has offensive and defensive systems as deep as 2K. This isn't back of the box stuff. While we appreciate it, the game isn't selling 10 million copies because of it. But it's there and they try to improve it every year.
    4. I already knew that. Its painfully obvious. Lol! But props for owning it, I respect that. Some of these guys front like they actually give that game a passing thought. I think Live has been pushing what you suggested. The audience either isn't buying it, or dont consider the flaws with 2K big enough to switch. IDK. I dont think a product can flourish being the "anti" anything. A product needs an identity; find your audience, put out a consistently good/great product, and let it grow. I honestly think that Live is on that track, it's just that in the last 10 years or so sports gaming appears to only allow 1 game of a particular sport to thrive. But who knows.
    Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app

    Yeah I never said I had faith in NBA Live or was a fan lol, I was just saying how they or some company can compete.
    Here are the main points I'm making that haven't been tested / disproven yet
    1) Yes, NBA Live's CURRENT strategy and past is crap. But how would they do being the anti-2K? We haven't seen that approach yet.
    2) People don't buy 2K for the little things, for playbooks and sliders anymore, they buy it to play online with friends and break some ankles. However arcade, they don't care anymore, and neither does 2K. So therefore there is an opportunity here for NBA 2K Live. They don't need to make a simulation -- 2K isn't sim anymore, yet Park and Pro Am is still played a lot. Pro am is not a simulation so long as people are shooting 90% from 3, contested or not.
    All NBA Live needs to do is replicate the online dynamics, an open world like 2K has and make it easier to grind. Gameplay obviously doesn't matter anymore or correlate to sales. Even Mike Wang can't control it, the execs do. If the teens want non-stop green 3's, give them green 3's. NBA Live can compete as arcade, unrealistic, and catering to the casuals. 2K is already doing that and succeeding apparently.
    Keith01
    Yeah I never said I had faith in NBA Live or was a fan lol, I was just saying how they or some company can compete.
    Here are the main points I'm making that haven't been tested / disproven yet
    1) Yes, NBA Live's CURRENT strategy and past is crap. But how would they do being the anti-2K? We haven't seen that approach yet.
    2) People don't buy 2K for the little things, for playbooks and sliders anymore, they buy it to play online with friends and break some ankles. However arcade, they don't care anymore, and neither does 2K. So therefore there is an opportunity here for NBA 2K Live. They don't need to make a simulation -- 2K isn't sim anymore, yet Park and Pro Am is still played a lot. Pro am is not a simulation so long as people are shooting 90% from 3, contested or not.
    All NBA Live needs to do is replicate the online dynamics, an open world like 2K has and make it easier to grind. Gameplay obviously doesn't matter anymore or correlate to sales. Even Mike Wang can't control it, the execs do. If the teens want non-stop green 3's, give them green 3's. NBA Live can compete as arcade, unrealistic, and catering to the casuals. 2K is already doing that and succeeding apparently.
    Meh...NBA Live is already like that now, and they still can't sell the game even at $10 a pop...
    Junior Moe
    No surprise here. It's like Madden and the NFL. It's still crazy to see an NBA game outselling the NFL. I wonder if this new deal is closer to the NFLs or not. Then again, it's not exclusive so I doubt it. 2K keeps the money rolling in between RDR and GTA releases.
    Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app

    Do you have any proof of this? I been searching yahoo all day to compare sales. I can’t find anything
    wingster
    Do you have any proof of this? I been searching yahoo all day to compare sales. I can’t find anything
    There were past articles on this subject before. I want to say that NBA 2K has been outselling Madden since 2K16.
    That’s crazy. Well, it looks like EA is getting a taste of there on medicine for what they did with the NFL back in 2005. NFL 2k5 was definitely on to something
    wingster
    That’s crazy. Well, it looks like EA is getting a taste of there on medicine for what they did with the NFL back in 2005. NFL 2k5 was definitely on to something

    Yeah, it is. Its kind of ironic how 2K is essentially doing with the NBA license what they hoped to do with the NFL. Its why I don't ever see 2K getting back to NFL football (not that EA or the NFL would let them anyway). They don't need it.
    dilladawg4
    Don't see how this will "come back to bite " Take Two in the end. It hasn't bitten EA over Madden. I'm beyond glad this way I can save $10-$15 dollars a year cause There will only be 1 bball game to pick up. $70-$135 over the next 7 years is great.????????????????

    Monopolies are NEVER good. Even tho Live couldn't challenge 2k, it was still there. Competition means everything.
    mrchiggs
    Monopolies are NEVER good. Even tho Live couldn't challenge 2k, it was still there. Competition means everything.
    "Having competition" is such overrated concept on this board when it comes to videogames.
    ksuttonjr76
    Meh...NBA Live is already like that now, and they still can't sell the game even at $10 a pop...

    Not really, they don't have open world + they haven't marketed it the way it should be (hop in and play vs 2K's grind)
    mrchiggs
    Thats not good for us. smh

    Only people it will be good for is those who play online. The franchise/sim players are ****ed. Its a trend across most sports games right now too. Madden, NHL, hell even MyLeague/MyGm. The VC / online crowd will get the majority of the focus and the sim people will get dink and dunks here and there.
    ksuttonjr76
    "Having competition" is such overrated concept on this board when it comes to videogames.

    NFL 2K5 was LEGIT competition for madden. EA actually cut the price of their game that year in half ( 2k was $20 out the gate while madden was $50 at release ) Its what prompted EA to get the NFL & ESPN license. What happened? 2k football was done. Hell, all football video games were dead in the water and still are
    Where is it now? Madden is dog **** with zero innovations since then and the only football game on the market because nearly anything involving the NFL falls under the licensing, which EA owns.
    Business wise, great decision for EA. All they have to do is pump out advertising money and basically do minimal updates on the game. They will still make money because its the only football game out there. For everyone else? It sucked.
    So no, "having compitition" is NOT an overrated concept.
    delspf
    NFL 2K5 was LEGIT competition for madden. EA actually cut the price of their game that year in half ( 2k was $20 out the gate while madden was $50 at release ) Its what prompted EA to get the NFL & ESPN license. What happened? 2k football was done. Hell, all football video games were dead in the water and still are
    Where is it now? Madden is dog **** with zero innovations since then and the only football game on the market because nearly anything involving the NFL falls under the licensing, which EA owns.
    Business wise, great decision for EA. All they have to do is pumping out advertising money and basically do minimal updates on the game. They will still make money because its the only football game out there. For everyone else? It sucked.
    So no, "having compitition" is NOT an overrated concept.

    It is overrated, because the company in question (EA) was the one who had the monopoly. Technically, 2K Sports had a monopoly on the basketball market since NBA 2K11, and they were still to innovate the game to a point where any "competition" doesn't stand a chance against the NBA 2K franchise.
    NFL 2K5 was a LEGIT product that could have threaten EA's monopoly on the football market. EA did what they had to do to protect their market share. Truthfully, EA were pretenders to the throne when it came to making basketball and football games. NBA Live sucks, and they STILL can't move the game at $10 a pop.
    Unless there's some hidden company out there with the best basketball game ever created, and they're just waiting to unleash it on the world as a surprise, 2K Sports is its own competition.
    ksuttonjr76
    2K Sports is its own competition.

    And thats why nba 2k games now are pay to win cesspools that compromise quality and craftsmanship in their games for the virtual currency and alike.
    olajuwon34
    And thats why nba 2k games now are pay to win cesspools that compromise quality and craftsmanship in their games for the virtual currency and alike.

    And year after year after year....they sell more and more units. Clearly, the general gaming population don't care. No matter how many times you try to beat this dead horse about VC and overpowered archetypes, the numbers speak for themselves.
    ksuttonjr76
    1) NBA 2K18 was about as close to squeezing the Customer as it's going to get. Personally, the VC is much better in 2K19 than it was in 2K18, and I was probably the biggest complainer of the 2K18 grind. I basically took the entire year to upgrade one player in 2K18. This year, I'm already sitting on 140K VC, and I don't consider myself a diehard who plays the game everyday. Truthfully, I'm on pace to be able to create two players when I finally decide to cut back on PNO games.

    Yeah I can honestly say although I'm against vc,this year in 19 they have been pretty generous with the giving back of vc. I haven't had to buy any this year.You get 3,000 vc a day for completing daily EASY objectives,VC for the daily pick em,I play atleast 2 or 3 MC games a day when i can( thats 2,000 vc each game a piece for me an easy 4,000 or 6,000 vc), then you have that 2k hour stuff were you can earn 2,000 vc up to 3 times daily plus the daily quiz jackpot(i dont play em though lol).I'm up to 90,000 vc and almost a 94 thats all from playing the game and taking advantage of the free vc opportunities and honestly would have more if it wasnt for me buying jerseys and shoes lol.....heck i beat court conqueror and made an easy 20,000 vc real quick
    swac07
    Yeah I can honestly say although I'm against vc,this year in 19 they have been pretty generous with the giving back of vc. I haven't had to buy any this year.You get 3,000 vc a day for completing daily EASY objectives,VC for the daily pick em,I play atleast 2 or 3 MC games a day when i can( thats 2,000 vc each game a piece for me an easy 4,000 or 6,000 vc), then you have that 2k hour stuff were you can earn 2,000 vc up to 3 times daily plus the daily quiz jackpot(i dont play em though lol).I'm up to 90,000 vc and almost a 94 thats all from playing the game and taking advantage of the free vc opportunities and honestly would have more if it wasnt for me buying jerseys and shoes lol.....heck i beat court conqueror and made an easy 20,000 vc real quick

    I agree with this, but they still really need a mode where there are preset player classes and builds so that everybody can compete with each other on an even footing
    Otherwise, your only way to access a competitive 5v5 mode is with what the system is now, which is drop a ton in VC and/or spend a lot of time grinding badges and games out before you're on an even footing with most people you're up against. and while I'm fine with this being in the game (people who play a lot want to and should be rewarded), there should be an option where there isn't such a costly/grindy entrance fee to play a 5v5 mode
    for example, there are times where you try to get a group of players together, but the group of 5 you have together might have 3 guys who have only an inside center...they should still be able to play together in some way and not be forced into making someone new, which is clearly difficult because of the fee to get the player up
    they've had the combine before, so it's obviously something that they've thought about and could put into the game.
    ksuttonjr76
    And year after year after year....they sell more and more units. Clearly, the general gaming population don't care. No matter how many times you try to beat this dead horse about VC and overpowered archetypes, the numbers speak for themselves.

    That's because the general gaming population just wants NBA basketball, its the popular trending thing right now, call it swag maybe, so they don't care how broken or bad the game is, nba 2k has been one of the only if not the only people making these nba games the past 10 years, they sell units because people like NBA basketball right now, the "general gaming population" doesn't even care that its not close to real basketball. The only way to make companies like 2k and others change their ways is to stop buying the game itself, money talks at this point nothing else matters to them. The fact that that's the case though shows how pathetic games like nba 2k and others are.
    ksuttonjr76
    And year after year after year....they sell more and more units. Clearly, the general gaming population don't care. No matter how many times you try to beat this dead horse about VC and overpowered archetypes, the numbers speak for themselves.

    Sales or Popularity isn't the same as quality or the only metric we're talking about. Also, it's a fluid thing that can change. Quality of experience continues to go down with the amount of grinding, etc. And it's a direct correlation to having zero competition.
    ph33
    I agree with this, but they still really need a mode where there are preset player classes and builds so that everybody can compete with each other on an even footing
    Otherwise, your only way to access a competitive 5v5 mode is with what the system is now, which is drop a ton in VC and/or spend a lot of time grinding badges and games out before you're on an even footing with most people you're up against. and while I'm fine with this being in the game (people who play a lot want to and should be rewarded), there should be an option where there isn't such a costly/grindy entrance fee to play a 5v5 mode
    for example, there are times where you try to get a group of players together, but the group of 5 you have together might have 3 guys who have only an inside center...they should still be able to play together in some way and not be forced into making someone new, which is clearly difficult because of the fee to get the player up
    they've had the combine before, so it's obviously something that they've thought about and could put into the game.

    Exactly. Can we just play the flippin' game w/friends. Also great-- they took out (pretty much) pickup All Star teamup. This gave somewhat of a break, allowing 5v5 hop in and play. Wtf were they thinking. Oh probably another VC cash grab.
    olajuwon34
    That's because the general gaming population just wants NBA basketball, its the popular trending thing right now, call it swag maybe, so they don't care how broken or bad the game is, nba 2k has been one of the only if not the only people making these nba games the past 10 years, they sell units because people like NBA basketball right now, the "general gaming population" doesn't even care that its not close to real basketball. The only way to make companies like 2k and others change their ways is to stop buying the game itself, money talks at this point nothing else matters to them. The fact that that's the case though shows how pathetic games like nba 2k and others are.

    I want NBA Live to be relevant just so all the trash randoms can go back to that hopefully.
    Keith01
    Exactly. Can we just play the flippin' game w/friends. Also great-- they took out (pretty much) pickup All Star teamup. This gave somewhat of a break, allowing 5v5 hop in and play. Wtf were they thinking. Oh probably another VC cash grab.

    I cant even play with my cousin. Just yesterday i was trying to invite him to my MyCourt and couldnt.
    Keith01
    Sales or Popularity isn't the same as quality or the only metric we're talking about. Also, it's a fluid thing that can change. Quality of experience continues to go down with the amount of grinding, etc. And it's a direct correlation to having zero competition.

    Let me make this simple to you and olajuwon34....
    Just because YOU believe the game sucks, of "poor quality", or has "zero" competition doesn't mean that the MILLIONS of people who buy this game every year thinks the same as you. However, keep trying to fight the good fight. I'm done with this conversation, because at the end of the day...you're in the minority with your opinion of the game. If you don't like the online experience then change modes or switches games.
    ksuttonjr76
    Let me make this simple to you and olajuwon34....
    Just because YOU believe the game sucks, of "poor quality", or has "zero" competition doesn't mean that the MILLIONS of people who buy this game every year thinks the same as you. However, keep trying to fight the good fight. I'm done with this conversation, because at the end of the day...you're in the minority with your opinion of the game. If you don't like the online experience then change modes or switches games.

    I will keep trying to fight the good fight, what are you fighting for?
    olajuwon34
    I will keep trying to fight the good fight, what are you fighting for?

    Nothing...I like the game currently as it is. It could use a couple of tweaks here and there on defense and recovering 50/50 balls, but it's nothing that gamebreaking to me.
    As has been stated - the money in this deal is probably about 2/3 expected revenue sharing, not baseline license cost. The sales fluctuating won't hurt 2K even if it happens.
    ksuttonjr76
    Let me make this simple to you and olajuwon34....
    Just because YOU believe the game sucks, of "poor quality", or has "zero" competition doesn't mean that the MILLIONS of people who buy this game every year thinks the same as you. However, keep trying to fight the good fight. I'm done with this conversation, because at the end of the day...you're in the minority with your opinion of the game. If you don't like the online experience then change modes or switches games.

    Did you ever 'start' this conversation? Seemed more like trying to dismiss any complaints about the game and be in denial or fan-boyish. I don't remember a lot of reasons that proved that the game or the 2K model is great. Where did we say that it's so because 'we' say so? It's poor quality because the facts support that, and there's plenty of videos and enough feedback to back it up. You're obviously not playing pro-am or park enough lol.
    Also NBA Live isn't competition at this point, but there's an opportunity there if they play their cards right.
    The game isn't entirely 'poor quality' but the gameplay can be completely unrealistic far too often, i.e. OP pure shooters. There's a new update but we still need more time with it. So to someone who values gameplay that makes sense over any other gimmick, then arcade = poor quality. When you got badged out pure shooters draining a bunch of contested shots from 30 feet out too often, that's a problem.
    ksuttonjr76

    If you don't like the online experience then change modes or switches games.

    I prefer giving feedback. Ain't that what forums are for?
    Keith01
    Did you ever 'start' this conversation? Seemed more like trying to dismiss any complaints about the game and be in denial or fan-boyish. I don't remember a lot of reasons that proved that the game or the 2K model is great. Where did we say that it's so because 'we' say so? It's poor quality because the facts support that, and there's plenty of videos and enough feedback to back it up. You're obviously not playing pro-am or park enough lol.
    Also NBA Live isn't competition at this point, but there's an opportunity there if they play their cards right.
    The game isn't entirely 'poor quality' but the gameplay can be completely unrealistic far too often, i.e. OP pure shooters. There's a new update but we still need more time with it. So to someone who values gameplay that makes sense over any other gimmick, then arcade = poor quality. When you got badged out pure shooters draining a bunch of contested shots from 30 feet out too often, that's a problem.
    I prefer giving feedback. Ain't that what forums are for?

    If you're going to give feedback, then give feedback. However, no one is trying to hear your uneducated guess that doomsday is going to happen to NBA 2K when CLEARLY the sales numbers say otherwise, and they're not falling the same pattern as NBA Live/EA. NBA Live is DEAD, and if they were going to seize ANY opportunity to take any market shares from NBA 2K it would have happened by now.
    ksuttonjr76
    Nothing...I like the game currently as it is. It could use a couple of tweaks here and there on defense and recovering 50/50 balls, but it's nothing that gamebreaking to me.

    Ok if im fighting the good fight, and you reply to me opposing or trying to neutralize what i was saying, aren't you fighting the bad fight? Also if people shooting higher % from beyond the arc than players attempting shots within 5 to 3 feet of the basket isn't gamebreaking to you, then i dont know what is.
    olajuwon34
    That's because the general gaming population just wants NBA basketball, its the popular trending thing right now, call it swag maybe, so they don't care how broken or bad the game is, nba 2k has been one of the only if not the only people making these nba games the past 10 years, they sell units because people like NBA basketball right now, the "general gaming population" doesn't even care that its not close to real basketball. The only way to make companies like 2k and others change their ways is to stop buying the game itself, money talks at this point nothing else matters to them. The fact that that's the case though shows how pathetic games like nba 2k and others are.

    I agree. I been into basketball games since "Double Dribble". 2K has been very disappointing for a while now (For me) yet I still play it. I know the game well enough to have fun with it to some extent. But if im looking at the actual quality of the product itself? Its closer to a yearly roster update then a full new AAA game worth 60 bucks up front and 100's of dollars in Micro transactions. 2k isn't alone in its financial approach to gaming either. 2ks just far more egregious because their sales never dip even with the issues and manipulations. The fans came for EA and Activision, yet 2k seems to go unscathed. Nothing we can do. As long as buyers except the legacy issues and manipulative micro-transactions, they will keep on trucking.
    olajuwon34
    Ok if im fighting the good fight, and you reply to me opposing or trying to neutralize what i was saying, aren't you fighting the bad fight? Also if people shooting higher % from beyond the arc than players attempting shots within 5 to 3 feet of the basket isn't gamebreaking to you, then i dont know what is.

    Fighting the good fight is actually having something of substance to support. The continued conversation that NBA 2K will eventually fall from being the top game and there's some sliver of hope for NBA Live is what I'm trying to neutralize. No one is saying that the game can't be improved on. I literally played NBA Live a couple of days ago, and I went ahead deleted it from my hard drive. NBA Live is so far behind that they just might as well close up shop. NBA 2K, even with its faults, is still a superior game to NBA Live.
    Kush has opened thread after threads about things that need to be addressed for H2H. There are dedicated threads for each mode in the game. There are dedicated threads for different aspects (legendary players, game art, accessories, etc). The developers do read those threads, and take the feedback to heart try to make changes for next year.
    As long as there a community that is dedicated to improving the game and giving detailed feedback with accompanying videos/pictures, NBA 2K will not have the same faith as NBA Live despite what people may believe about "having competition". The developers have stopped creating huge gameplay patches which is turning into a good decision since NBA 2K17. Mike Wang has been tuning the game quietly and letting the community decide the online meta.
    At the end of the day...what is 2K Sports NOT doing in trying to improve the game every year?
    Nba live future is not looking good right now because of sales but I think it’s actually a decent game. Quality wise, i don’t think they are far off from 2k. Just look at the reviews on ign
    ksuttonjr76
    Fighting the good fight is actually having something of substance to support. NBA Live is so far behind that they just might as well close up shop. NBA 2K, even with its faults, is still a superior game to NBA Live.
    At the end of the day...what is 2K Sports NOT doing in trying to improve the game every year?

    My substance to support the good fight, me booting up the game day 1 and still seeing microtransaction purchases for 100$.
    And with NBA live and 2k were comparing dirt and mud here, just like your saying 2k has no competition and NBA live is no where near 2k, what the heck are we really comparing here? Thats why 2k decided to integrate microtransactions into every game and put unnecessary grinds, the game has minimal changes and tweaks each year but its 80 to 100$ each year? plus still having microtransactions in the game? its because they had a monopoly.
    "What is 2k sports NOT improving?" how about less grind, less microtransactions, more unique animations for specific players, having players play to their likeness, when i see larry bird and john stockton celebrating like russell westbrook on the court? thats just lack of attention to detail. Better cpu awareness on defense and offense, less morphing and sliding and better footplanting. Make public all star matchmaking NOT require 2 players, make an unranked play now online for players who dont want to grind and have to win just to play with teams they want. If stuff like this is still in the game over the next few years? as well as the microtransactions and grind? thats where my problem comes in, stop putting that trash in your game, and bare down on the issues that create a lack of quality in your game.
    Mind you i also forgot to mention one of the major broken mechanics in the game, in no way should a user be able to hold up on the right stick just standing under the hoop or almost behind the back board out of bounds, and still be able to effectively guard 90% of shots near the basket, there is no logic there. Thats something else that should be improved, and from last year to this its almost the same.
    olajuwon34
    My substance to support the good fight, me booting up the game day 1 and still seeing microtransaction purchases for 100$.
    And with NBA live and 2k were comparing dirt and mud here, just like your saying 2k has no competition and NBA live is no where near 2k, what the heck are we really comparing here? Thats why 2k decided to integrate microtransactions into every game and put unnecessary grinds, the game has minimal changes and tweaks each year but its 80 to 100$ each year? plus still having microtransactions in the game? its because they had a monopoly.
    "What is 2k sports NOT improving?" how about less grind, less microtransactions, more unique animations for specific players, having players play to their likeness, when i see larry bird and john stockton celebrating like russell westbrook on the court? thats just lack of attention to detail. Better cpu awareness on defense and offense, less morphing and sliding and better footplanting. Make public all star matchmaking NOT require 2 players, make an unranked play now online for players who dont want to grind and have to win just to play with teams they want. If stuff like this is still in the game over the next few years? as well as the microtransactions and grind? thats where my problem comes in, stop putting that trash in your game, and bare down on the issues that create a lack of quality in your game.
    NBA 2K20 wishlist thread....
    As for the microtransactions...well, I don't what to tell you on that. Ultimately, you still make decision wether or not you want to buy VC.
    olajuwon34
    Mind you i also forgot to mention one of the major broken mechanics in the game, in no way should a user be able to hold up on the right stick just standing under the hoop or almost behind the back board out of bounds, and still be able to effectively guard 90% of shots near the basket, there is no logic there. Thats something else that should be improved, and from last year to this its almost the same.
    I play PNO, so this tactic is really not that effective.
    ksuttonjr76
    I play PNO, so this tactic is really not that effective.

    Depends what difficulty play now online is on, when im able to get into an all star team up match, if its put on hall of fame or superstar, standing anywhere near the hoop with the right stick held up usually negates most standing layups or shots near the basket. And please dont get started on the its up to you whether you want to buy VC, thats not an excuse for it to be in the game, if anything its a extremely poor excuse.
    olajuwon34
    Depends what difficulty play now online is on, when im able to get into an all star team up match, if its put on hall of fame or superstar, standing anywhere near the hoop with the right stick held up usually negates most standing layups or shots near the basket. And please dont get started on the its up to you whether you want to buy VC, thats not an excuse for it to be in the game, if anything its a extremely poor excuse.

    Unless they changed it in recent years, I'm pretty sure it's on Superstar. I only say that, because VC and microtransactions are going to be around for a while. If is removed in the near future, I'll be totally shocked.
    ksuttonjr76
    Unless they changed it in recent years, I'm pretty sure it's on Superstar. I only say that, because VC and microtransactions are going to be around for a while. If is removed in the near future, I'll be totally shocked.

    And until then, il keep bashing them and any games that do put microtransactions in their game, i know as fans the only thing that will make them even consider taking them out is not buying the game, but im not just going to roll over and not keep stating how bad of a feature it is.
    If microtransactions were for cosmetic items only, i wouldn't say a word.
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