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NBA 2K19 Trailer & Screenshots - Bill Simmons Debuts, Kobe & Kevin Garnett Return

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NBA 2K19 Trailer & Screenshots - Bill Simmons Debuts, Kobe & Kevin Garnett Return

2K has just released their NBA 2K19 broadcast trailer, featuring Bill Simmons’ (The Ringer) debut appearance in the NBA 2K Series, and returning stars Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett.

The new trailer features a behind the scenes look at the broadcast recording sessions, as the team records all new content for the game. Check out the trailer and some screenshots below and let us know what you think.

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  1. I'll be muting those games that Simmons is commentating. Who could think "Man, that nasally voice of Bill Simmons would be perfect."
    Just develop more lines with Kobe, Garnett and the the rest of the guys you already have commentating
    I feel like I might be in the minority now but I tend to enjoy listening to Bill Simmons talk basketball. I don't mind this one bit.
    That said, if you told me the in-arena audio couldn't be fixed this year because all those resources had to be poured into recording sessions with Bill Simmons, then we'd have a problem. But I'm not sure that's how that works.
    I just don't get how the arena lighting was the best in the first iteration of the series in this current gen. I'm lucky to be playing on PC with mods, but it's just disappointing. You'd think it would continue to improve as the years would have gone on.
    This just looks way too much like 2K18 if i'm being honest. I know it's the end of the console cycle, but come on man. They could've at least fixed that terrible running animation.
    We definitely didn’t need a trailer for this. Seems like 2k is struggling to come up with news/content to excite the community. Leads me to believe that they didn’t make many changes to the game
    TSGuy
    I just don't get how the arena lighting was the best in the first iteration of the series in this current gen. I'm lucky to be playing on PC with mods, but it's just disappointing. You'd think it would continue to improve as the years would have gone on.

    The thing is, not even PC mods can fix these dark arena problems. There aren't really any modders right now that are able to do it. The only work around is using enbs/sweetfx filters or increasing the contrast/brightness of the games exe. using hex editing.
    Csmooove32
    Yea umm i don’t think a trailer was needed for this. A simple blog post would have been good enough.

    CDazzle91
    Honestly, even a tweet that said "Special guest commentators Kobe and KG are back for 2K19. Plus basketball writer and analyst Bill Simmons will join the commentary for select games." is all they needed...
    What's the harm of seeing it in action? I figure seeing a little bit of something is better than seeing nothing of something.
    Smh Bill Simmons of all people. He will get annoying fast. And when are we going to find out some real information about this game? Mike Wang's tweets have given us more information than anything.
    VDusen04
    What's the harm of seeing it in action? I figure seeing a little bit of something is better than seeing nothing of something.

    Maybe because there are many other things we needed to see in action before this...like a gameplay trailer, neighborhood trailer, CAP system in action..etc etc
    Holy **** the other thread Mike Wang plays bad and not sim...boohoo
    Get footage of gameplay CPU vs CPU can't get more sim than that....who asked for this bum to be announcing.
    Christ people just watch the gameplay....
    Anyway that zoomout after tipoff is that a new Beluba cam? That was nice....
    Nice to see a defensive takeover in effect. Also the elbow throws...
    As I said in the other thread 2k cam makes the game ugly since you can see how dark the arenas are. At least on broadcast they actually lit up past the 4th row.
    Edit: not the least surprised players not being updated. They usually update them when Live updates theirs. Because you know competition...
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    Ehh. Not really a fan of the guest commentary. I liked it at first, but when you play as many games as I do it becomes a drag. They don't commentator on anything, just ramble. I like Bill Simmons, I subscribe to his podcast, but his inclusion does nothing for me. Would have much rather seen the presentation overall get more of a boost.
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    My reaction to this was.. "nice"
    Didn't watch this for the commentary, but this showed off some nice clean animations and did a much better job showing off the takeover system than that other video of "Mike Wang showing off the takeover system."
    Amazing what a difference it makes watching someone playing the game well.
    KobeDropped81
    Maybe because there are many other things we needed to see in action before this...like a gameplay trailer, neighborhood trailer, CAP system in action..etc etc
    If the Bill Simmons trailer was created as a means of taking the place of other trailers they originally had planned, then that's fair (as in, "Guys, scrap the gameplay vids, we've decided Bill Simmons will carry us.") I have a difficult time imagining that's the case here though.
    KobeDropped81
    Nah you must be watching a different trailer bc the sh*t is horrible in every arena Lol

    Pacers crowd looked improved imo. Court didn't look great, just the crowd looked a little lighter than 2k18
    Okay...Do we have to read about the arena lightning in EVERY thread???? I was going to mention a few things that I saw that I liked, but I can already see that this thread has turned into another whining session about the lightning and what WASN'T shown.
    My favorite trailer so far. Ton of live gameplay in there. You guys are focusing on the wrong things.
    Loved seeing that Turner post hook at the beginning and the AD fight for position. I know they've been talking about it, but hopefully they follow through and post play makes a difference. Still taking a wait and see approach before I build my big man.
    The shot feedback we saw seemed good too. The Jayson Tatum thre at 1:50 was ruled as lightly contested, seemingly because Robertson got his hand up late. Same with KD's step back.
    Obviously the layup meter on Ben's drive is very welcome.
    Also, Simmons, not the biggest fan of hearing him talk, but he's not terrible. And it adds an extra dimension to the game.
    Vic_Clancy
    My favorite trailer so far. Ton of live gameplay in there. You guys are focusing on the wrong things.
    Loved seeing that Turner post hook at the beginning and the AD fight for position. I know they've been talking about it, but hopefully they follow through and post play makes a difference. Still taking a wait and see approach before I build my big man.
    The shot feedback we saw seemed good too. The Jayson Tatum thre at 1:50 was ruled as lightly contested, seemingly because Robertson got his hand up late. Same with KD's step back.
    Obviously the layup meter on Ben's drive is very welcome.
    Also, Simmons, not the biggest fan of hearing him talk, but he's not terrible. And it adds an extra dimension to the game.

    My thing is we are 15 days away with a lot of things yet to be shown. It was a waste of time and resources. They could have easily given us some CPU vs CPU gameplay of a couple different teams. We don’t even need a full game just the 1st quarter would have been fine.
    Man the negativity and constant cynicism in reaction to new footage or information is suffocating.
    It will never be perfect and sure they're may be a bunch of things that appear easy to correct but this was a nice little trailer and the game is looking good. You'd think the game has no redeeming qualities at all the way some people critique 2k lol
    This game looks so bad graphically i believe the sixers court got even darker then it was last year, even in broadcast cam its hard to tell who some players are without a close up due to the horrible lighting. Disappointed that its looking like a 3rd straight year that I won't enjoy a new 2k game.
    When you realize 2K drops a sim trailer just for us sim heads lol dope
    I mean the game looks the exact same as 2K18. But I can se the little changes in gameplay and mechanics
    ksuttonjr76
    Okay...Do we have to read about the arena lightning in EVERY thread???? I was going to mention a few things that I saw that I liked, but I can already see that this thread has turned into another whining session about the lightning and what WASN'T shown.
    Yes. Every trailer. Every screenshot. Every blog. Everything.
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    Man tough crowd to please. Complain about not getting information, we get a couple detailed blogs about certain modes but i guess what people really meant is they want detailed gameplay info. People complain about lack of footage. We now have had a few trailers, a 15 minute gameplay video from yesterday, and some ghetto videos from last month but I guess people didn't see what they wanted.
    I'm not saying 2Ks marketing is the best. I'm not saying they are going all out with what they've shown. But man it's like some of you are going to complain regardless. It's like a kid on Christmas that gets some presents but complains because they weren't exactly what he wanted. Not for nothing but things have been a lot quieter for the OTHER game and that's the series that's more in need of generating hype and growing their fanbase.
    As for the trailer it was nice seeing some footage from the broadcast camera. Graphically the game doesn't scream "brand new game", there's some slight improvements here and there, but I thought the animations looked really good on first viewing. There were a couple instances where you can see improvements to limb clipping issues. If you are expecting a completely different looking game I think you are setting expectations too high. Until the "next gen" consoles release or 2K decides to change their game engine I just don't see them overhauling the visuals. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they already have a team working on a new engine for "next gen." It might explain why improvements in this area have been minimal the last couple years
    I'm on the fence with Bill, but I do enjoy the guest commentary. It adds a nice touch of freshness to games when you're in year 4 of a MyLeague, or you've played 100 games of MyCareer.
    I do think 2K needs better roll-out direction though. No way should there be this much focus on presentation 15 days away from the game release. I want a breakdown of some gameplay. I want to see Takeover in action for more than just one sequence. I want to see how smart the CPU is on at least a mildly challenging difficulty level.
    This is the type of content I expect to drop at the beginning of the hype cycle. I mean, we'll have a playable version of this game in about a week and we're getting news centered around Bill Simmons?
    The content drops never a "bad" thing, but the things being highlighted and focused on in the last few videos don't seem to offer much in the way of gameplay.
    I will say, that Turner hook at the beginning made my heart smile though.
    cthurt
    This game looks so bad graphically i believe the sixers court got even darker then it was last year, even in broadcast cam its hard to tell who some players are without a close up due to the horrible lighting. Disappointed that its looking like a 3rd straight year that I won't enjoy a new 2k game.
    I agree lighting is an issue, but I still think the game looks so much better than Madden/live.
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    That new motion tech that 2k uses has been cleaned up some. If you watch where arms would clip through are pretty much gone.
    The courts look dull because there's no shine to them or some light reflecting off of them.
    The big headed players that plagued the game last year looks to be fixed.
    I thought the elbow clear out was only for defensive rebounds so it appears that it's after any rebound. Not sure if this will be abused after offensive rebounds but will wait and see.
    I enjoy Bill Simmons, listen to his podcast weekly...his commentary in 2013 was great and I think he'll just be a random pop in commentator like KG and Kobe. Mostly just watched the trailer for gameplay though.
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    isdatyt
    I'm on the fence with Bill, but I do enjoy the guest commentary. It adds a nice touch of freshness to games when you're in year 4 of a MyLeague, or you've played 100 games of MyCareer.
    I do think 2K needs better roll-out direction though. No way should there be this much focus on presentation 15 days away from the game release. I want a breakdown of some gameplay. I want to see Takeover in action for more than just one sequence. I want to see how smart the CPU is on at least a mildly challenging difficulty level.
    This is the type of content I expect to drop at the beginning of the hype cycle. I mean, we'll have a playable version of this game in about a week and we're getting news centered around Bill Simmons?
    The content drops never a "bad" thing, but the things being highlighted and focused on in the last few videos don't seem to offer much in the way of gameplay.
    I will say, that Turner hook at the beginning made my heart smile though.
    So the thread that's dedicated to all the tweets by Mike is not enough to tell you what was changed for NBA 2K19? You need an actual blog to tell you what changed?
    Goffs
    Holy **** the other thread Mike Wang plays bad and not sim...boohoo
    Get footage of gameplay CPU vs CPU can't get more sim than that....who asked for this bum to be announcing.
    Christ people just watch the gameplay....
    Anyway that zoomout after tipoff is that a new Beluba cam? That was nice....
    Nice to see a defensive takeover in effect. Also the elbow throws...
    As I said in the other thread 2k cam makes the game ugly since you can see how dark the arenas are. At least on broadcast they actually lit up past the 4th row.
    Edit: not the least surprised players not being updated. They usually update them when Live updates theirs. Because you know competition...
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    Totally agree with you. I don't get why people get so whiney, IMO the game looks already very promising based on what I've seen and read so I don't get the constant nagging. And I'm definitely not one to shy away from criticizing 2k.
    The oracle arena still looks way off compared to real life, how are the stands dark six rows in? 2k is neglecting the things that would satisfy the fan base the most
    From the comments I thought it was literally a clip of Simmons talking for 2 minutes or something. Should have known better.
    Yall try way too hard to be completely miserable up into release. Literally every video or article.
    It's a video game. I get feedback, but If you plan on picking the game up, go in the with mindset of actually having fun with it. That's an OK thing.
    Goodness
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    ksuttonjr76
    So the thread that's dedicated to all the tweets by Mike is not enough to tell you what was changed for NBA 2K19? You need an actual blog to tell you what changed?

    No, I love the blogs and tweets, I literally refresh Wang's twitter every hour, but I want to see it in action. Imagine you're in the market for a car. The dealer is texting you the specs on the best car he has on his lot. Horsepower, 0-60 time, top speed, elite handling, and braking, but when you get to the lot he wants to talk about cup holders and power windows. You'd be a little miffed.
    I love reading about this new stuff, but it feels a bit empty to have seen nearly 20 minutes of gameplay in total, and maybe 3 instances highlighting the key features that everybody is looking forward to seeing after being hyped about it via blogs/tweets/etc.
    Game looks Dope AF...seeing lots in the gameplay am really loving...is that beluba cam update am seeing?
    Would be nice to be able to select which commentators to listen to....for me it would be doris simmons greg....Webber makes me turn the volume down he just rambles on and on...i hope he is gone or improved
    Few thing i like from the trailer:
    AD post clear out is a big improvement to post play
    AD snatch block guess defender will get some nice new animations got me wondering if two way build will have access to them.
    Jayson Tatum corner 3 with the two meter seemed in sync perfectly.
    KD step back cleared a lot of space for him to take the shot
    Myles turner spin hook
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    I just think people are tired of the same ole formula when it comes to 2K basketball. It's basically the same thing every year. You can read here, twitter, Facebook, instagram for years and commenters, ask for specific things i.e. Park, ProAm, GamePlay and for a team that prides itself on listening to the community they roll out splash trailers.
    Contrast that with the same company and different games. Red Dead team provided an actual game play and features trailer over 5 minutes long. The Wrestling team same thing.
    We have been splashed trailer to death with 2K NBA Basketball for over a decade.
    Come on 24 you know this will last well beyond the game's release when every issue from minor to major turns into "this game is BROKEN! WORST 2K EVER!"
    I know people are critical and want the game to be as good as possible, and then some, but at the end of the day it is just a videogame. Games are entertainment and a hobby in leisure time (unless you are a pro gamer). If you are stressing out because you have issues with a videogame or the game isn't entertaining either move on to a different game or maybe find another hobby. Why get yourself upset because a videogame has issues?
    Impetuous65
    I just think people are tired of the same ole formula when it comes to 2K basketball. It's basically the same thing every year. You can read here, twitter, Facebook, instagram for years and commenters, ask for specific things i.e. Park, ProAm, GamePlay and for a team that prides itself on listening to the community they roll out splash trailers.
    Contrast that with the same company and different games. Red Dead team provided an actual game play and features trailer over 5 minutes long. The Wrestling team same thing.
    We have been splashed trailer to death with 2K NBA Basketball for over a decade.

    Exactly. At this point, 2k needs to switch up their marketing strategy just as bad as they need to fire their art team.
    These rollouts get worse and worse every year.
    Impetuous65
    I just think people are tired of the same ole formula when it comes to 2K basketball. It's basically the same thing every year. You can read here, twitter, Facebook, instagram for years and commenters, ask for specific things i.e. Park, ProAm, GamePlay and for a team that prides itself on listening to the community they roll out splash trailers.
    Contrast that with the same company and different games. Red Dead team provided an actual game play and features trailer over 5 minutes long. The Wrestling team same thing.
    We have been splashed trailer to death with 2K NBA Basketball for over a decade.

    And yet you're still surprised? They've been holding on to the My Player/ProAm information until last possible moment for the past 3 to 4 years now. Why are you still shocked we haven't gotten that yet?
    We have gotten more early and HD footage this year than ever before. Mike has been letting those Twitter fingers go to work. They're adding new content, features, and directly address issues from late year.
    Yet...still complaining about what they haven't seen. Nevermind what they're seeing. People are complaining more about what they're not seeing.
    KobeDropped81
    Exactly. At this point, 2k needs to switch up their marketing strategy just as bad as they need to fire their art team.
    These rollouts get worse and worse every year.
    Calling BS on this comment. This rollout has been much more methodical when compared to years past. Mike Wang played the gameplay footage...not some random dude at Gamescom. Mike mfing Wang.
    ksuttonjr76
    And yet you're still surprised? They've been holding on to the My Player/ProAm information until last possible moment for the past 3 to 4 years now. Why are you still shocked we haven't gotten that yet?
    We have gotten more early and HD footage this year than ever before. Mike has been letting those Twitter fingers go to work. They're adding new content, features, and directly address issues from late year.
    Yet...still complaining about what they haven't seen. Nevermind what they're seeing. People are complaining more about what they're not seeing.

    Talk about missing the point.
    Impetuous65
    I just think people are tired of the same ole formula when it comes to 2K basketball. It's basically the same thing every year. You can read here, twitter, Facebook, instagram for years and commenters, ask for specific things i.e. Park, ProAm, GamePlay and for a team that prides itself on listening to the community they roll out splash trailers.
    Contrast that with the same company and different games. Red Dead team provided an actual game play and features trailer over 5 minutes long. The Wrestling team same thing.
    We have been splashed trailer to death with 2K NBA Basketball for over a decade.
    That may be the case for some. Sales and revenue say the exact opposite.
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    ksuttonjr76
    Then tell me the missing point...enlighten us on how to hype a sports game that comes out every year.

    The problem is trying to garner "hype" this game sales itself at this point. It's not a bad game, it is a good game that has a loyal following. A few years ago MLB The Show did some smart marketing
    1. On Tuesday a specific Trailer about a feature or features
    2. On Thursday or Friday a 1 Hour Stream or blog explaining and showcasing the the features in real time, stating this is a Work in Progress.
    What they achieve with this was Style and Substance, we need substance not all splash.
    ksuttonjr76
    Calling BS on this comment. This rollout has been much more methodical when compared to years past. Mike Wang played the gameplay footage...not some random dude at Gamescom. Mike mfing Wang.

    You’re calling BS because you’re a fanboy. This rollout has been flat out awful no matter how you try to slice it. We still havent gotten a detailed gameplay blog, still don’t know whether or not any new classic teams were added, still haven’t seen CAP in action or anything. And hell At least last year we knew about Neighborhood and stuff a full week prior to the prelude. and Idc if Mike wang played the game. He was garbage at it anyway. Made it look worse than it probably is. Could’ve easily mistaken him for any other casual gamer
    Impetuous65
    The problem is trying to garner "hype" this game sells itself at this point. It's not a bad game, it is a good game that has a loyal following. A few years ago MLB The Show did some smart marketing
    1. On Tuesday a specific Trailer about a feature or features
    2. On Thursday or Friday a 1 Hour Stream explaining and showcasing the the features in real time, stating this is a Work in Progress.
    What they achieve with this was Style and Substance, we need substance not all splash.
    And did they do that every week for a month or two before the game was released?
    KobeDropped81
    Exactly. At this point, 2k needs to switch up their marketing strategy just as bad as they need to fire their art team.
    These rollouts get worse and worse every year.

    So I agree, 2ks marketing isn't the best, they can do much better.
    But why exactly do they NEED to do better? Last year their sales were the best they've ever been. By the sounds of it a lot of people that complain about the marketing either buy the game every year or are interested in buying the game every year. How much does pre-release marketing really factor into the decision to buy? It might be the difference between a day one purchase or buying the game at a later date but, ultimately, I don't think their marketing has a major impact on sales one way or another. If sales were declining every year you would have a point but it seems like sales are doing the opposite.
    Disliked the Celtics defense towards the end of the video.
    Them elbows by Anthony Davis if there called offensive fouls at least 50/50 I'm ok with it.
    Hollywood & Horsehoes
    I personally loved seeing some broadcast sim gameplay. FINALLY!!
    This is the best thing released thus far IMO.
    Keep that MyCareer and Park ****. This was nice.
    KobeDropped81
    You’re calling BS because you’re a fanboy. This rollout has been flat out awful no matter how you try to slice it. We still havent gotten a detailed gameplay blog, still don’t know whether or not any new classic teams were added, still haven’t seen CAP in action or anything. And hell At least last year we knew about Neighborhood and stuff a full week prior to the prelude. and Idc if Mike wang played the game. He was garbage at it anyway. Made it look worse than it probably is. Could’ve easily mistaken him for any other casual gamer

    You 1000% proved what I'm talking about. You're complaining about that we haven't seen yet instead of focusing on what's being shown.
    How this for an idea? How about you stay off the forums until they release something interesting to you? Better yet, how about you wait for the game to release, and you can explore the game anyway you want.
    Impetuous65
    The problem is trying to garner "hype" this game sales itself at this point. It's not a bad game, it is a good game that has a loyal following. A few years ago MLB The Show did some smart marketing
    1. On Tuesday a specific Trailer about a feature or features
    2. On Thursday or Friday a 1 Hour Stream or blog explaining and showcasing the the features in real time, stating this is a Work in Progress.
    What they achieve with this was Style and Substance, we need substance not all splash.

    yeah, I really like what they're doing every year before release.
    Impetuous65
    Yes, they did. Be it big or small feature.
    So how about making it a suggestion instead of complaining about the current method?
    You're getting worked up about the current delivery of information, because of how someone else did it. That's silly. No one can read your mind.
    ksuttonjr76
    So how about making it a suggestion instead of complaining about the current method?
    You're getting worked up about the current delivery of information, because of how someone else did it. That's silly. No one can read your mind.

    This is a consumer of the product that is making this statement. LMAO. I stated that in my original point that "Commenters for years have been asking for X, W, and Z and they still are not getting what we asked for.
    You win dude.
    Some of you marketing experts are clearly completely oblivious to how 2K is working you guys. As much as you are complaining about 2Ks marketing what are you doing right now? You are on message board talking about their game...thats good marketing. How many times in a week or in a day do you visit this site or look on Twitter hoping to find or see something new about 2k19? That's 2K's marketing working on you.
    There are other ways to market a product other than shoving it in your face or giving fans everything they want. Sometimes less is more. There's such thing as over exposure. There's the old saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity." As long as 2K has you thinking and talking about their game and wanting/demanding more info they have you right where they want you. And if the game drops and you aren't decided yet but you start hearing about how good the game is, what are you going to do? Not buy it because 2K didn't provide enough information pre-release?
    Impetuous65
    The problem is trying to garner "hype" this game sales itself at this point. It's not a bad game, it is a good game that has a loyal following. A few years ago MLB The Show did some smart marketing
    1. On Tuesday a specific Trailer about a feature or features
    2. On Thursday or Friday a 1 Hour Stream or blog explaining and showcasing the the features in real time, stating this is a Work in Progress.
    What they achieve with this was Style and Substance, we need substance not all splash.

    Agreed. Injustice 2 followed a similar model, though not a yearly game. For their DLC they'd drop a short trailer to generate hype. Do a stream on that new content to provide clarity and even more hype. Then all that's left is to execute.
    2K has been touting this takeover feature like it's what the meta is built around, but we have barely seen any substantial footage of the feature in action. It's backwards. They generate expectation then don't deliver on what we expect.
    For instance, if this trailer dropped before we heard about the Takeover system and we thought it was just about presentation & Bill Simmons, but all throughout you see this new flame indicator and new animations then video ended with "#Takeover(flame emoji)" that'd generate the curiosity. Then later in the week, drop a blog about the takeover system and it clearly explains what's going on which generates the hype. Now all that's left to do is make sure it works in game.
    scottyp180
    Some of you marketing experts are clearly completely oblivious to how 2K is working you guys. As much as you are complaining about 2Ks marketing what are you doing right now? You are on message board talking about their game...thats good marketing. How many times in a week or in a day do you visit this site or look on Twitter hoping to find or see something new about 2k19? That's 2K's marketing working on you.
    There are other ways to market a product other than shoving it in your face or giving fans everything they want. Sometimes less is more. There's such thing as over exposure. There's the old saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity." As long as 2K has you thinking and talking about their game and wanting/demanding more info they have you right where they want you. And if the game drops and you aren't decided yet but you start hearing about how good the game is, what are you going to do? Not buy it because 2K didn't provide enough information pre-release?
    This right here. It's natural to be upset with or "over" a product. I'm that way with Madden now. I'll pop in once info releases, throw in my 2 cents. Once I see that it looks bout the same or my particular gripes arent addressed I'm out. I don't discuss it. I don't visit the board. I don't play it. I let it go. 2K isn't working them, they're just releasing a product. These dudes are working themselves.
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    Am I the only person who doesn’t care about the lighting. Every thread is riddled with people complaining the lighting. I mean yeah it could be brighter but is it really such an issue. Geez.
    I actually like this trailer better than the first because we see some actual gameplay footage and not cinematic gameplay. It doesn’t look to much different from 2K18 but I was personally fine with most of 18 aside from the clipping issues and those I could overlook most of the time unless I was rewatching something on instant replay.
    I like the new stat overlay gloss but I sincerely hope we see those stats frequently during gameplay. The games haven’t had a decent number of stat overlay pop ups in several years. I want to see those stats.
    I’m pretty indifferent to Bill Simmons but him being there will make the game feel more authentic for a while. At least until things start repeating.
    Crowd atmosphere still needs work.
    I do wonder if it’s got something to do with the amount of space of the game or maybe budget restrictions or something. Personally I am looking for to the deep MyLeague like every year and would take what we have any day over a more shallow game with “better lighting”
    ForeverVersatile
    For all the people who don't like this game play it looks like Ronnie 2K and Chris Smoove will be streaming the game later.
    Who knows maybe you might see something you actually like.
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    People are still going to find a reason to complain, but this is a good find. This should address the complaint about Mike Wang playing his own game.
    It was just dope seeing 2K give us sim heads some love with the broadcast trailer and they have us actual sim game play in the trailer. And t
    What if that’s a wink that 2K is letting sim nation know hey you guys are in for some good basketball treats this year?
    The game looks good, def seen some new things I haven’t seen before. 18 was a great basketball game in my opinion, so if this 2K18.5 with improvements I’m satisfied. Still playing 18 as we speak so I am optimistic.
    Looking good to me man. Broadcast angle makes the game look soooo much better imo. Loved block by AD and that Capela/LBJ interaction at the 1:40 mark. Can't wait to play.
    Come on 2k art department- I believe in you so believe in yourself
    Please update all NBA current players to the best of your abilities (Ex: Matthews,Lowry, KCP, Covington, Morris Twins, etc.). We are not on 1st gen Xbox or PS.
    ForeverVersatile
    For all the people who don't like this game play it looks like Ronnie 2K and Chris Smoove will be streaming the game later.
    Who knows maybe you might see something you actually like.
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    Now THIS is great news!!!
    ksuttonjr76
    Okay...Do we have to read about the arena lightning in EVERY thread???? I was going to mention a few things that I saw that I liked, but I can already see that this thread has turned into another whining session about the lightning and what WASN'T shown.
    You mean I can't come into EVERY THREAD and Say the SAME THING??? why you hatin???
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    eaterofworlds888
    Am I the only person who doesn’t care about the lighting. Every thread is riddled with people complaining the lighting. I mean yeah it could be brighter but is it really such an issue. Geez.
    I actually like this trailer better than the first because we see some actual gameplay footage and not cinematic gameplay. It doesn’t look to much different from 2K18 but I was personally fine with most of 18 aside from the clipping issues and those I could overlook most of the time unless I was rewatching something on instant replay.
    I like the new stat overlay gloss but I sincerely hope we see those stats frequently during gameplay. The games haven’t had a decent number of stat overlay pop ups in several years. I want to see those stats.
    I’m pretty indifferent to Bill Simmons but him being there will make the game feel more authentic for a while. At least until things start repeating.
    Crowd atmosphere still needs work.
    I do wonder if it’s got something to do with the amount of space of the game or maybe budget restrictions or something. Personally I am looking for to the deep MyLeague like every year and would take what we have any day over a more shallow game with “better lighting”
    Personally, I could care less about the lighting. I'll just turn up the brightness slider on my TV if it's too dark. Problem solved.
    isdatyt

    For instance, if this trailer dropped before we heard about the Takeover system and we thought it was just about presentation & Bill Simmons, but all throughout you see this new flame indicator and new animations then video ended with "#Takeover(flame emoji)" that'd generate the curiosity. Then later in the week, drop a blog about the takeover system and it clearly explains what's going on which generates the hype. Now all that's left to do is make sure it works in game.

    Yeah that's a cool way to generate hype...is it really going to make a difference in sales at the end of the day though? That's what marketing is all about. Getting people to buy your product. There are a million different ways 2K can market the game, and I'm not saying their current method is the best or perfect, I'm just not convinced that doing things a little differently makes much of a difference at the end of the day. Either way people are still learning about the new features before the game comes out.
    Funny thing is, I feel like if 2k did everything you guys say and you go out and buy the game and are disappointed you would probably find a way to blame 2k for deceiving you with their marketing.
    Dang, looks like I'll not be buying my very first 2K sports game. With the exception of player faces, the game looks bad graphically. It has a cartoonish look to it. The player bodies are bad. They have to fix the coat hanger effect as it pertains to how the uniform fits on the players among other things. They need a fresh set of eyes on this, because the look of the player bodies (i.e. thick, stumpy legs) is an ongoing issue with them.
    Hustle Westbrook
    Meh. These days I play 2K on mute with YouTube videos or music playing in the background so the new gameplay clips were the highlight of this trailer.

    wondering why 2k not reveal gameplay blog on this game yet.. they save last for best is My Park next week
    ksuttonjr76
    Personally, I could care less about the lighting. I'll just turn up the brightness slider on my TV if it's too dark. Problem solved.
    Surely, you're entitled not to care about the lighting. However, increasing the brightness slider would not fix the issue folks have brought to the table. Rather, that'd just wash out the court and the first few rows of the crowd while still leaving the rest of the arena comparably much darker than it should be.
    The difference between most of 2K's lighting (dark voids) and some of the exceptions seems pretty stark to me:
    2004 Pistons Palace (real life 2004 Palace was very well lit):

    2008 Celtics Garden:

    It's obviously not a game-breaker, though the small details rarely are. The little things just happen to really bring a game together. As it stands, the darkened arenas sometimes make me feel like I'm playing in dreamland, where the only thing that really exists is the court itself.
    eaterofworlds888
    Am I the only person who doesn’t care about the lighting. Every thread is riddled with people complaining the lighting. I mean yeah it could be brighter but is it really such an issue. Geez.
    I actually like this trailer better than the first because we see some actual gameplay footage and not cinematic gameplay. It doesn’t look to much different from 2K18 but I was personally fine with most of 18 aside from the clipping issues and those I could overlook most of the time unless I was rewatching something on instant replay.
    I like the new stat overlay gloss but I sincerely hope we see those stats frequently during gameplay. The games haven’t had a decent number of stat overlay pop ups in several years. I want to see those stats.
    I’m pretty indifferent to Bill Simmons but him being there will make the game feel more authentic for a while. At least until things start repeating.
    Crowd atmosphere still needs work.
    I do wonder if it’s got something to do with the amount of space of the game or maybe budget restrictions or something. Personally I am looking for to the deep MyLeague like every year and would take what we have any day over a more shallow game with “better lighting”

    I agree I want to see more presentation as well, and it's about time for the announcers or halftime to talk about games around your league. Madden does it, I'm sure 2k can easily do it as well.
    anyone notice the shot meter. there are 2 of them. does the one on the floor also now represent that you are perfectly squared up when shooting, and the other is perfect release on the jump shot.
    never noticed that before
    VDusen04
    Surely, you're entitled not to care about the lighting. However, increasing the brightness slider would not fix the issue folks have brought to the table. Rather, that'd just wash out the court and the first few rows of the crowd while still leaving the rest of the arena comparably much darker than it should be.
    The difference between most of 2K's lighting (dark voids) and some of the exceptions seems pretty stark to me:
    2004 Pistons Palace (real life 2004 Palace was very well lit):

    2008 Celtics Garden:

    It's obviously not a game-breaker, though the small details rarely are. The little things just happen to really bring a game together. As it stands, the darkened arenas sometimes make me feel like I'm playing in dreamland, where the only thing that really exists is the court itself.

    This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NINJAK2
    Looking good to me man. Broadcast angle makes the game look soooo much better imo. Loved block by AD and that Capela/LBJ interaction at the 1:40 mark. Can't wait to play.
    .

    ^^^ I qoute this bcoz this is the most important thing next to gameplay.
    does anybody of you ask for a new announcer??? NO! right! so if people ask and cry for art to be update then they should focus in that... there is only 2 things you can see in this video new movements and graphics..so if people complain about the graphics side they have right to do so bcoz they been asking that since last year. nobody ask for Bill... are they going to update this announcing like IRL?? this should be the highlight of this trailer and not the same thing talking random BS. telling story and not the actual game you playin.
    to all the people complaining about "people complaining about art issues". they are not complaining they are pointing out what 2k art department missed to fix. if they dont want to fix then they should be transparent about it. how hard to tweet a 1 sentence.."NO WE WILL NOT FIX IT" so everybody can move along.
    if art issue dont bother you then good for you. but for others this is a big deal. PEACE
    Does any of you remember NBA Live 08, the one with Gilbert Arenas on the cover? That game was the first NBA Live to feature dark crowds (every arena felt like the Staples or MSG) and, at the time, this really stood out. So much so that in one of the Developer Diary videos leading up to the game's launch, one of the gameplay producers stated (in a very candid way) that this was a design decision in order to make the game run at 60 fps (since less processing was going into rendering full detailed 3d crowds). With NBA 2K games being so huge now with MyPlayer, MyCareer, The Neighborhood and all of that, I wonder if this isn't the case as well because from an authenticity standpoint, for a game that nails so much of the sport, from tats to sneakers to player mannerisms etc, they've GOT to know this isn't right.
    Dantecamp21
    Does any of you remember NBA Live 08, the one with Gilbert Arenas on the cover? That game was the first NBA Live to feature dark crowds (every arena felt like the Staples or MSG) and, at the time, this really stood out. So much so that in one of the Developer Diary videos leading up to the game's launch, one of the gameplay producers stated (in a very candid way) that this was a design decision in order to make the game run at 60 fps (since less processing was going into rendering full detailed 3d crowds). With NBA 2K games being so huge now with MyPlayer, MyCareer, The Neighborhood and all of that, I wonder if this isn't the case as well because from an authenticity standpoint, for a game that nails so much of the sport, from tats to sneakers to player mannerisms etc, they've GOT to know this isn't right.
    I kind of figured that was the story with 2K's arenas (resource management). Though, ever since I stumbled upon the 2008 Celtics arena lighting a few weeks ago (bright and sharp), I've been wondering if the limited resources thing were true. Then again, maybe that 2008 arena was somehow dumbed down somewhere to allow for better lighting, though then you'd wonder other classic arenas didn't get the same treatment. Or perhaps there's another reasonable explanation.
    Dantecamp21
    Does any of you remember NBA Live 08, the one with Gilbert Arenas on the cover? That game was the first NBA Live to feature dark crowds (every arena felt like the Staples or MSG) and, at the time, this really stood out. So much so that in one of the Developer Diary videos leading up to the game's launch, one of the gameplay producers stated (in a very candid way) that this was a design decision in order to make the game run at 60 fps (since less processing was going into rendering full detailed 3d crowds). With NBA 2K games being so huge now with MyPlayer, MyCareer, The Neighborhood and all of that, I wonder if this isn't the case as well because from an authenticity standpoint, for a game that nails so much of the sport, from tats to sneakers to player mannerisms etc, they've GOT to know this isn't right.

    It has to be. Don't know why people think they're just leaving the crowds pitch black just for the hell of it.
    The 2K art team seems to take certain years off. Maybe they spent all their time on the CAP system... I don't know but it is very annoying seeing the same issues year after year. It is one thing when the game looks virtually identical to the previous year graphically, but another when requested fixes are deferred year after year after year. People keep talking about lighting because we have BEEN talking about arena lighting for the past several iterations.
    Lighting aside though, graphically this game looks particularly underwhelming...especially when their competitor is coming a lot harder with the visuals. At very least put a fresh coat of paint on the game; improve the textures or something. Other than the score-bug, a few hairstyles and a tacky looking halftime studio (which is the one thing they don't need to change yearly), this game is visually 2K18.
    eko718
    The 2K art team seems to take certain years off. Maybe they spent all their time on the CAP system... I don't know but it is very annoying seeing the same issues year after year. It is one thing when the game looks virtually identical to the previous year graphically, but another when requested fixes are deferred year after year after year. People keep talking about lighting because we have BEEN talking about arena lighting for the past several iterations.
    Lighting aside though, graphically this game looks particularly underwhelming...especially when their competitor is coming a lot harder with the visuals. At very least put a fresh coat of paint on the game; improve the textures or something. Other than the score-bug, a few hairstyles and a tacky looking halftime studio (which is the one thing they don't need to change yearly), this game is visually 2K18.

    Yeah i feel your pain man. It's really hard for me to justify putting down $60 or $100 on this game. It's just way to similar. Maybe i'll be wowed when i get my hands on it, but something tells me that won't be the case.
    Dione2014
    Yeah i feel your pain man. It's really hard for me to justify putting down $60 or $100 on this game. It's just way to similar. Maybe i'll be wowed when i get my hands on it, but something tells me that won't be the case.

    My GM mode makes this game a must-buy for me every single year. Not saying I wouldn't like more graphical updates but they're busy working on adding immense features to My GM so it's not like they're sitting back.
    eko718
    The 2K art team seems to take certain years off. Maybe they spent all their time on the CAP system... I don't know but it is very annoying seeing the same issues year after year. It is one thing when the game looks virtually identical to the previous year graphically, but another when requested fixes are deferred year after year after year. People keep talking about lighting because we have BEEN talking about arena lighting for the past several iterations.
    Lighting aside though, graphically this game looks particularly underwhelming...especially when their competitor is coming a lot harder with the visuals. At very least put a fresh coat of paint on the game; improve the textures or something. Other than the score-bug, a few hairstyles and a tacky looking halftime studio (which is the one thing they don't need to change yearly), this game is visually 2K18.

    Preach bro. They on some copy and paste ish for real. We have every right to complain
    I’d think there would be more concern over why people are complaining than the fact that they are complaining.
    That should tell you/2K there’s work to be done, no?
    The vibe seems to be “shut up and be happy”.
    Which would be cool if they were giving games away for free every year, however they are not...
    The Gym Reaper
    I’d think there would be more concern over why people are complaining than the fact that they are complaining.
    That should tell you/2K there’s work to be done, no?
    The vibe seems to be “shut up and be happy”.
    Which would be cool if they were giving games away for free every year, however they are not...

    They aren't putting a gun up to your head, either. No one has said the criticism isn't valid or warranted. People just get tired of gripes creep into every thread. There's an art thread for guys to vent/point out stuff. One dude said the thread wasn't getting enough attention so now he's spamming everything. C'mon dude.
    It not any more or likely to get addressed that way either.
    tril
    anyone notice the shot meter. there are 2 of them. does the one on the floor also now represent that you are perfectly squared up when shooting, and the other is perfect release on the jump shot.
    never noticed that before
    They are same. Both for shot timing. You can use either one or both. It is just the one from 2k17 plus the 2k18 one.
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    Too many 2K apologists in OS, you all get fooled every year. We have every right to be critical of the game, especially in this instance where they've clearly copy pasted courts/stadiums from last year.
    This place has turned into such a safespace, where you're looked down upon for the slightest bit of criticism. We're not allowed to share our opinions and criticise a game on a forum dedicated to sports gaming without being looked down upon and described as "miserable" or "negative"... doesn't make any sense.
    Junior Moe
    They aren't putting a gun up to your head, either. No one has said the criticism isn't valid or warranted. People just get tired of gripes creep into every thread. There's an art thread for guys to vent/point out stuff. One dude said the thread wasn't getting enough attention so now he's spamming everything. C'mon dude.
    It not any more or likely to get addressed that way either.

    Trolling and spamming the same commentary in every thread is wack. 24th can handle that however he sees fit on a case by case basis.
    Gripes that have nothing to do with art or lighting creep into other threads as well. Don’t see the uproar.
    You can’t take away people’s right to critique, though. It starts to get into borderline censorship territory.
    That art feedback thread is also a glorified containment thread, but let me not derail the Bill Simmons discussion and become part of the problem.
    PeacemanNOT
    Too many 2K apologists in OS, you all get fooled every year. We have every right to be critical of the game, especially in this instance where they've clearly copy pasted courts/stadiums from last year.
    This place has turned into such a safespace, where you're looked down upon for the slightest bit of criticism. We're not allowed to share our opinions and criticise a game on a forum dedicated to sports gaming without being looked down upon and described as "miserable" or "negative"... doesn't make any sense.

    Let that persecution complex go. Most everyone on the board agrees that the arenas are too dark and the body models are off. We all want it improved and corrected. Hopefully it is. Beating it to death isn't gonna change the game this year. It would be nice to discuss the other happenings with the game this year. But if you guys feel the need to interject your opinion about lighting into every thread stop getting in your feelings when others give theirs by telling you to shut up about it. Damn!
    Junior Moe
    Let that persecution complex go. Most everyone on the board agrees that the arenas are too dark and the body models are off. We all want it improved and corrected. Hopefully it is. Beating it to death isn't gonna change the game this year. It would be nice to discuss the other happenings with the game this year. But if you guys feel the need to interject your opinion about lighting into every thread stop getting in your feelings when others give theirs by telling you to shut up about it. Damn!

    I'm just more annoyed about the fact we're being called "miserable" by higher up members in the OS community because we're criticising obvious flaws in the game.
    If they truly feel things are getting out of hand then maybe they should enforce it and force people to address art problems in a certain thread, but then like The Gym Reaper says that goes into censorship territory which would even further prove my point.
    Junior Moe
    They aren't putting a gun up to your head, either. No one has said the criticism isn't valid or warranted. People just get tired of gripes creep into every thread. There's an art thread for guys to vent/point out stuff. One dude said the thread wasn't getting enough attention so now he's spamming everything. C'mon dude.
    It not any more or likely to get addressed that way either.

    Spamming, really? I've posted like two or three art complaints in threads that I shouldn't have and have apologized and deleted them. I'm not complaining just to complain, I'm actually trying to get these issues fixed, just like the gameplay guys are constantly pointing out defensive AI issues (which are definitely valid issues) to get fixed. Also, I don't see why it's such a big deal in threads like this where it's just a trailer that really doesn't show any true gameplay...
    It's funny how nearly the same identical conversation is going on over in the Madden section.
    The only reason I haven't/can't chime in on 2K is because I haven't bought it since 2011. With that said, I know all too well the feeling of having most of your game copy and pasted year to year. Something as simple as copying and pasting the stadiums is really, really frustrating. Shows a big time lack of care, especially on an issue like lighting.
    I don't think coming on here and ripping it to shreds is a bad thing because there aren't many (if any) other places to do that where there's an active, intelligent, loyal community like this one. A simple google search to any one of the main critics websites (Gamespot, IGN, GameInformer) will show you they gave Madden an 8.5+ when the user scores were mostly 4.5 and under, meaning people want to rip that game, but there aren't many places to do it.
    Guys who spam or get in fights with users shouldn't be allowed to post, but there are some users with great thoughts or points that get buried in locked threads...
    PeacemanNOT
    I'm just more annoyed about the fact we're being called "miserable" by higher up members in the OS community because we're criticising obvious flaws in the game.
    If they truly feel things are getting out of hand then maybe they should enforce it and force people to address art problems in a certain thread, but then like The Gym Reaper says that goes into censorship territory which would even further prove my point.

    I stand by it. I also look at trends, history and can back up what I say. If I observe that there are users that essentially making it their 'schtick' to bring a negative tone into every thread, I will speak on it. Things like telling people they shouldn't be enjoying what they are seeing, or attempting to bring down others hype level isnt pointing out a gameplay flaw. That's misery looking for company.
    Constructuve criticism has and will always be more than welcome, but we all share a space here. I get the need to want your voice to be heard, I also get the feeling of hearing that voice everywhere you turn.
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    Junior Moe
    They aren't putting a gun up to your head, either. No one has said the criticism isn't valid or warranted. People just get tired of gripes creep into every thread. There's an art thread for guys to vent/point out stuff. One dude said the thread wasn't getting enough attention so now he's spamming everything. C'mon dude.
    It not any more or likely to get addressed that way either.
    Personally, I cut them more slack because they add more content to their game than any other annual release.
    The game isn't perfect, but neither are games that get 3-5 years.
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    Csmooove32
    Yea umm i don’t think a trailer was needed for this. A simple blog post would have been good enough.

    You want a blog for a new visual and audio presentation aspect?
    Anyway, I'm pretty excited about this. I think Bill Simmons and The Ringer are great and it'll be a nice change of pace to have yet another special announcer when you're slogging through multiple seasons.
    Game looks the same from what I can tell, but at this point if you're expecting a leap in literally anything visual you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Spoiler: 2k20 is going to look exactly like this too, so set your expectations accordingly.
    Mauer4MVP
    Personally, I cut them more slack because they add more content yo their game than any other annual release.
    The game isn't perfect, but neither are games that get 3-5 years.
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    It's a videogame at the end of the day. It's not gonna be perfect or realistic. 2K packs a lot into NBA 2K. I think thats part of the problem too in a sense. The game is almost too ambitious. That doesn't mean we just accept anything or small things that bug us. Gripes are legit. The lighting doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game but I genuinely think it needs to be a higher priority. And I have seen first hand how an online mob raising hell forced changes. CAP last year was ripped; I was fine with it. That CAP thread is massive! I even got the business from a couple of people for actually liking CAP last year. Its cool, doesnt bother me. This year looks to be much improved. My gameplay experience will be better because of those people raising cane. That's how it works. Hopefully the lighting follows a similar path.
    BA2929
    You want a blog for a new visual and audio presentation aspect?
    Anyway, I'm pretty excited about this. I think Bill Simmons and The Ringer are great and it'll be a nice change of pace to have yet another special announcer when you're slogging through multiple seasons.
    Game looks the same from what I can tell, but at this point if you're expecting a leap in literally anything visual you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Spoiler: 2k20 is going to look exactly like this too, so set your expectations accordingly.

    Personal I could care less. This honestly wasn’t nothing that new on the presentation front. Nothing has changed on that front since like 2K17.
    Goffs
    That new motion tech that 2k uses has been cleaned up some. If you watch where arms would clip through are pretty much gone.
    The courts look dull because there's no shine to them or some light reflecting off of them.
    The big headed players that plagued the game last year looks to be fixed.
    I thought the elbow clear out was only for defensive rebounds so it appears that it's after any rebound. Not sure if this will be abused after offensive rebounds but will wait and see.

    I could be mistaken but I thought they said the elbow clear outs were on offensive rebounds.
    That being said, it looked a little OP.
    He pushed the guy back like 5 feet! That would surely earn a whistle in a real game.
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    Rockie_Fresh88
    I’m cool with more commentary . Bill Simmons is refreshing here

    as long as its contextual and they let the game breath. there are times in a 2k game where there is too much talking. its like listening to a radio broadcast as opposed to watching a tv broadcast.
    with that said. I look forward to 2k19, and will be a first day buy as usual, even though I wasnt a hugefan of 2k17 or 2k18.
    the trailer looks nice. I see alot of great things going on
    Junior Moe
    It's a videogame at the end of the day. It's not gonna be perfect or realistic. 2K packs a lot into NBA 2K. I think thats part of the problem too in a sense. The game is almost too ambitious. That doesn't mean we just accept anything or small things that bug us. Gripes are legit. The lighting doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game but I genuinely think it needs to be a higher priority. And I have seen first hand how an online mob raising hell forced changes. CAP last year was ripped; I was fine with it. That CAP thread is massive! I even got the business from a couple of people for actually liking CAP last year. Its cool, doesnt bother me. This year looks to be much improved. My gameplay experience will be better because of those people raising cane. That's how it works. Hopefully the lighting follows a similar path.
    I got to the end of this lost with thoughts until I got to "raising cane". Now all I want is deep fried chicken
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    Lighting is usually a tad better in broadcast and I could be mistaken but some arenas do look a tad better. Like the Celtics arena in the trailer looked nice. I’ll look again though
    To be honest, it feels like 2k doesn’t show much because they don’t have much to show or don’t want to show it because they know there are flaws.
    With words, you can hype up things and make them sound great, but the actual product may not live up to the hype that you’ve created.
    Take 2k18 for example.
    Sure they made more than ever before, mostly because of the insane level of VC they forced us to spend.
    However, that game has the lowest rating of any 2k in the history of the game and deservedly so.
    2k’s way of overhyping things that end up not working nearly at all is the reason that so many people get upset and want to see it in action.
    2k18 proved to everyone that they’ll say things to hype up the game and not show it because they know the gameplay won’t hold up.
    They admitted, that when 2k18s life span was over, they intentionally mislead us and sold a game with bandaid fixes that were never addressed post release.
    As sick as some of you are of hearing people complain about things they don’t like or haven’t seen.
    Those people are sick of hearing people sugarcoat and make excuses for state of the game they are sold.
    There’s a middle ground here that most on both sides are reluctant to meet at.
    That would be to let those that are upset converse amongst themselves and those that want to say the game is great converse amongst themselves.
    If you don’t like it don’t read it.
    Both sides have their points.
    There are good things being shown and talked about and there are bad things being shown and talked about.
    I like and agree with both sides.
    I like hearing people discuss their issues and I like hearing people discuss the positives.
    And both are right.
    Some people want to deny the flaws and some want to overstate them.
    Welcome to life.
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    Feels like 2K has packed it in a couple of years ago on this gen. Hopefully that next gen trailer will blow everyone's mind because that looks like it's clearly been the focus of the company for many years now.
    The 24th Letter
    I stand by it. I also look at trends, history and can back up what I say. If I observe that there are users that essentially making it their 'schtick' to bring a negative tone into every thread, I will speak on it. Things like telling people they shouldn't be enjoying what they are seeing, or attempting to bring down others hype level isnt pointing out a gameplay flaw. That's misery looking for company.
    Constructuve criticism has and will always be more than welcome, but we all share a space here. I get the need to want your voice to be heard, I also get the feeling of hearing that voice everywhere you turn.
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    Surprised I don't get called out. I'm like the king of 2k meltdown posts.
    But I'm not attacking people, just expressing my passion about how I feel 2k can be improved. Happy to be a part of what I felt was good change before, hoping it happens again. Until then, lll keep 2k as my offline game. No game will ever touch 2k franchise offline. How they've always been unable to get online right is bothersome tho. Then came vc.
    -Smak
    I agree with the long post above me. A lot of  the same criticisms are shared in every 2k post which can be overwhelming but it's also easy to just skip over them. Sometimes the loud voices are necessary to make changes. Mostly everybody in here enjoys 2k and wants the best game possible at the end of the day. However, I do think 2k could help things if they were a little more straightforward with stuff. On topics like lighting which have been big topics for several years it would be helpful for one of the developers to comment in here or tweet that this isn't updated because of some type of limitation or they didn't have enough time to figure out the solution. I think the biggest frustration is that we know they are hearing us but they don't say anything about it except in cases like this year's MyGM blog where they admit to a flaw after it's fixed. They could just say we hear you and it's on our radar but it isn't feasible to fix right now. They may think that doing that would decrease sales but I don't think so. I think people would appreciate the honesty. We know these guys work hard year round to give us a great game, and it's impossible to fix everything in a yearly cycle, just don't leave us in the dark. That being said, I wish they would stop pushing up the release date of the game every year and maybe they could have a little more time.
    ksuttonjr76
    Personally, I could care less about the lighting. I'll just turn up the brightness slider on my TV if it's too dark. Problem solved.

    I never ever paid attention to it. The thing about these forums is them constantly bringing it up and pointing out things over and over, it starts making me care a little sometimes and it could possibly make me enjoy the game a little less because it’s now bothering me lol.
    I appreciate them too but I usually try to skip pass their post of examples so it doesn’t start getting to me lol.
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    PeacemanNOT
    Too many 2K apologists in OS, you all get fooled every year. We have every right to be critical of the game, especially in this instance where they've clearly copy pasted courts/stadiums from last year.
    This place has turned into such a safespace, where you're looked down upon for the slightest bit of criticism. We're not allowed to share our opinions and criticise a game on a forum dedicated to sports gaming without being looked down upon and described as "miserable" or "negative"... doesn't make any sense.

    I wish y’all all would stop doing this every year. You have the people complaining about people saying the same things and it turns into people that complains about the game arguing with people telling them to stop complaining all the time in every thread. Knowing damn well people aren’t going to listen lol.
    Just let people say what they want to say and keep it moving or block those people that you feel is always bringing the same stuff up. All it turns into is more clutter in the thread about who is a 2K apologist and who is going to buy the game anyways and etc.
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    ILLSmak
    Surprised I don't get called out. I'm like the king of 2k meltdown posts.
    But I'm not attacking people, just expressing my passion about how I feel 2k can be improved. Happy to be a part of what I felt was good change before, hoping it happens again. Until then, lll keep 2k as my offline game. No game will ever touch 2k franchise offline. How they've always been unable to get online right is bothersome tho. Then came vc.
    -Smak
    Thats because I'm about to make an entire thread about you Smak.
    It's all fun and games man....
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    Great trailer. Bill Simmons is a welcomed addition! 2k once again knocks it out of the park.
    When you can give me another sports game that has this much attention to detail and where a company puts this much effort into each year, you let me know.
    I'll wait..
    (pssst, only one I can think of is Football Manager and maybe OOTP)
    There doesn’t seem to be many graphic updates to the non star players. DeAndre Jordan hair isn’t updated. Jrue Holiday either. Maybe there’s a day one patch that’s coming and will fix it. But if there isn’t. That’s pretty lazy on 2k part.
    After watching the trailer and the 15 minute gameplay footage it looks like the game has been cleaned up. Definitely is my biggest thing for the game this year is just having fun, sim and consistent gameplay.
    I wasn't expecting any major graphical improvements but some players got a upgrade which was nice to see. But other than that it is what it is to me at this point.
    I'm hopeful this will be a better year for 2k🤞🏽
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    The 24th Letter
    Thats because I'm about to make an entire thread about you Smak.
    It's all fun and games man....
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    Haha this is still the only forum I've almost been banned from. Got a warning some years back. Made a joke and someone took it seriously. I sometimes think I'll come to os and be permabanned. The saga continues.
    -Smak
    TSGuy
    I just don't get how the arena lighting was the best in the first iteration of the series in this current gen. I'm lucky to be playing on PC with mods, but it's just disappointing. You'd think it would continue to improve as the years would have gone on.

    They dont focus on stuff like that in these games anymore, dont get me wrong they still try to improve on things every game,(sometimes not thoroughly), but they have too many other things they focus on now, myplayer, park , vc, other things not dedicated to authenticity.
    Lol @ having to hear at all these 2K haters. I have no complaints. NBA 2K is arguably the best sports game series ever! Kudos to the team at 2K on making this game better year after year. Keep doing that 2K and keep innovating! Can't wait to get my hands on my copy of NBA 2K19. :nchuck::cheers:
    Peter_OS
    Lol @ having to hear at all these 2K haters. I have no complaints. NBA 2K is arguably the best sports game series ever! Kudos to the team at 2K on making this game better year after year. Keep doing that 2K and keep innovating! Can't wait to get my hands on my copy of NBA 2K19. :nchuck::cheers:

    Best post I've seen on this forum in like 6 days.
    Peter_OS
    Lol @ having to hear at all these 2K haters. I have no complaints. NBA 2K is arguably the best sports game series ever! Kudos to the team at 2K on making this game better year after year. Keep doing that 2K and keep innovating! Can't wait to get my hands on my copy of NBA 2K19. :nchuck::cheers:

    Best post I've seen all week, however that other game might have something to say about that. Cause they're coming hard!!!
    Impetuous65
    MLB The Show 18 Franchise Presentation Commentary package is in a league of it's own. Levels above of any sports video game.

    I disagree. MLB The Show's lead commentator Matt Vasgersian has been the same boring voice for the past what..13 years? They added Mark DeRosa and that other guy I believe which was ok, but it's still a major snoozefest.
    In NBA 2k, they have the 3 pre-show, halftime and post-game show analysts, Ernie, Shaq, and Kenny. Then they have Harlan, Kellogg, Chris Webber, Steve Smith, Brent Barry, Garnett, Kobe, Doris Burke, Greg Anthony, and the sideline reporter David Aldridge.
    And ontop of that, they've added Bill F'ing Simmons to the group.
    MLB The Show isn't even in the same ballpark (see what i did there?) as NBA 2k as far as commentary and presentation. It's not even close dude.
    Also, the MLB The Show team don't really do that much discussion about players themselves, the prior years stats, events, and other tidbits. They mostly do just play by play analysis. Meh.
    Haven't seen anyone bring it up yet but the shooting range meter is back on the 2K17 shot meter.

    Look at the yellow half-circle. It grows and shrinks when Durant is in shooting range. I missed this feature in 2K18. I think I'll be playing with both shot meters on this year.
    extremeskins04
    I disagree. MLB The Show's lead commentator Matt Vasgersian has been the same boring voice for the past what..13 years? They added Mark DeRosa and that other guy I believe which was ok, but it's still a major snoozefest.
    In NBA 2k, they have the 3 pre-show, halftime and post-game show analysts, Ernie, Shaq, and Kenny. Then they have Harlan, Kellogg, Chris Webber, Steve Smith, Brent Barry, Garnett, Kobe, Doris Burke, Greg Anthony, and the sideline reporter David Aldridge.
    And ontop of that, they've added Bill F'ing Simmons to the group.
    MLB The Show isn't even in the same ballpark (see what i did there?) as NBA 2k as far as commentary and presentation. It's not even close dude.
    Also, the MLB The Show team don't really do that much discussion about players themselves, the prior years stats, events, and other tidbits. They mostly do just play by play analysis. Meh.

    You see this is a lie you are telling yourself.
    MLB Commentary
    Talks about pitcher vs batter history and it's dynamic throughtout the franchise
    Talks about contracts and how a player is performing in his contract year and the type of money he's seeking
    Talks about how a batter is doing in a series wins above replacement dynamic story lines within the game as it developes.
    And with this commentary you get OSD's
    They talk about your minor leagues and a whole host of dynamic stuff that happens throughout the franchise
    Play off races, HR, BA races Allstar races, Cy young ect..
    Hitting streaks, Milestones, Dynamic loading screens, The show has no equal when it comes to talking about the game and none of that ancillary garbage by kobe and kevin.
    You're talking about a host of people who talk about a whole lot of nothing. Yeah you have a lot of people and they don't contribute to the franchise.
    Haven't played since the patch. NBA 2k is still better but I'm glad you took the time to link all those videos. Thanks.
    Oh, this is an NBA 2k forum by the way, not MLB The Show lol.
    Impetuous65
    You see this is a lie you are telling yourself.
    MLB Commentary
    Talks about pitcher vs batter history and it's dynamic throughtout the franchise
    Talks about contracts and how a player is performing in his contract year and the type of money he's seeking
    Talks about how a batter is doing in a series wins above replacement dynamic story lines within the game as it developes.
    And with this commentary you get OSD's
    They talk about your minor leagues and a whole host of dynamic stuff that happens throughout the franchise
    Play off races, HR, BA races Allstar races, Cy young ect..
    Hitting streaks, Milestones, Dynamic loading screens, The show has no equal when it comes to talking about the game and none of that ancillary garbage by kobe and kevin.
    You're talking about a host of people who talk about a whole lot of nothing. Yeah you have a lot of people and they don't contribute to the franchise.

    2K use to have ALL THAT, slipped the past two years, hopefully it will be back this year. HOPEFULLY.
    Impetuous65
    You see this is a lie you are telling yourself.
    MLB Commentary
    Talks about pitcher vs batter history and it's dynamic throughtout the franchise
    Talks about contracts and how a player is performing in his contract year and the type of money he's seeking
    Talks about how a batter is doing in a series wins above replacement dynamic story lines within the game as it developes.
    And with this commentary you get OSD's
    They talk about your minor leagues and a whole host of dynamic stuff that happens throughout the franchise
    Play off races, HR, BA races Allstar races, Cy young ect..
    Hitting streaks, Milestones, Dynamic loading screens, The show has no equal when it comes to talking about the game and none of that ancillary garbage by kobe and kevin.
    You're talking about a host of people who talk about a whole lot of nothing. Yeah you have a lot of people and they don't contribute to the franchise

    MLB 2K had all that and more years before The Show. Hard to compare but this is basketball. NBA 2K has rookie of the year race, all star voting race, power rankings, leaderboards, rookie leaderboards, standings discussion, lots of playoff picture related commentary, commentary in both studio and in game about season series with the two teams, last years series between the teams, sideline interviews, coach huddle clips, sit down interviews at start of quarter, tons of stuff no game has ever done at all. It’s an embarrassment of riches.
    Mauer4MVP
    I agree lighting is an issue, but I still think the game looks so much better than Madden/live.
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    Actually the lighting looks pretty dark in the arena's for the other basketball game. I compared crowd lighting for the Warriors home court with pics online and it was much darker. It could easily be a framerate issue that both hoops games have to deal with.
    I see you guys really don't play the show franchise. When 2k can do dynamic story lines, stat track your profile and include your play style in the commentary, talk about how you played in the series and recall how you played in a game 3 games ago vs how you're playing now. All in context get with me. I play 2k franchise and the commentary is a repetitive. Outside of the osd. Player interview, coach, same o same o. Skipable and predictable.
    Impetuous65
    I see you guys really don't play the show franchise. When 2k can do dynamic story lines, stat track your profile and include your play style in the commentary, talk about how you played in the series and recall how you played in a game 3 games ago vs how you're playing now. All in context get with me. I play 2k franchise and the commentary is a repetitive. Outside of the osd. Player interview, coach, same o same o. Skipable and predictable.

    I mean honestly, and this is just my opinion, The Show's franchise mode is incredibly stale. They haven't improved it in years. The last time I asked on a stream on why they haven't, all I got was "we don't have the resources to improve everything, we're a very small development team".
    But I see the Diamond Dynasty stuff worked on every year, and franchise...not so much.
    But then I see OOTP make major enhancements to their game and it has like 1 maybe 2 developers and the franchise options and realism in OOTP is miles ahead.
    I just can't give MLB The Show a pass.
    But anyway this is about NBA 2k and I believe it's better in every aspect. Presentation, graphics, Audio, Commentary, Franchise, and even online. You're entitled to your own opinion of course.
    Don't know about you guys. But the stuff has done it's job for me. Has me excited to play the game.
    2K has been the primary thing i've played on my PS4, since I bought it in 2015. While, I generally enjoyed 2K18, the various flaws and exploits left a sour taste in my mouth and around March, I decided that I would take a wait and see approach with 2K19. In the past, I've sort of loosely stayed aware of updates pre-launch, however, this time I needed to see improvements, and i'd be willing to wait a few weeks after launch before purchasing.
    As you've seen on these boards, i've followed the prelaunch details extremely closely this year, and I have to say that I like what i'm seeing. I'm not expecting a perfect game by any means, and i'm certainly not paying $40 to play it early...but i'm confident that they're hearing us and generally moving in the right direction.
    TL;DR - I hear your complaints, but like where they're going. They'll get my money, unless this NBA Live demo that i'm going to try out soon completely blows me away.
    I get a little confused when people say the game looks exactly the same. Were you expecting NBA 2k to suddenly look like a completely different game? At this point in the console cycle they're not going to be completely revamping gameplay or graphics. It's more about building and improving on what's already there, which I think most people would agree is one of the strongest foundations in sport videogames. That's been 2Ks thing for awhile. The old "don't fix what isn't broke" mentality.
    I'm not disagreeing about the game looking very similar. If I watched 2k19 footage without knowing it was 2k19 I wouldn't immediately recognize it's a new game but I noticed enough little things here and there, along with some new animations that has me a bit excited. If this is basically a more polished 2k18 with some better animations and a little more fluidness to movement I'll be happy. But if that's not your thing and you were hoping for a more substantial update then I understand your disappointment.
    A big thing too is how the game feels. It might not look much different but how does it feel to play? Im going to use Madden 19 as an example. They went to the new graphics engine last year and then implemented the RPM this year. Watching footage prior to the release it didn't blow me away as looking much different from past Maddens. Graphics didn't look night and day better, animations were improved but it still looked like Madden. However actually playing the game, imo, is a different story. Now don't get me wrong, it's still Madden at the end of the day, but I think it feels and controls better than any Madden I've ever played. Graphics and animations are even better than what I observed from gameplay videos as well. Point being, what we see in gameplay videos and trailers might not be the best indicator of how much gameplay has improved. The eye test is one thing but it can be a different story once you sit down and play the game.
    Impetuous65
    I see you guys really don't play the show franchise. When 2k can do dynamic story lines, stat track your profile and include your play style in the commentary, talk about how you played in the series and recall how you played in a game 3 games ago vs how you're playing now. All in context get with me. I play 2k franchise and the commentary is a repetitive. Outside of the osd. Player interview, coach, same o same o. Skipable and predictable.

    I agree, I think the 2k commentary is probably less repetitive than The Show (in that I still hear the same lines every game) but the way MLB TS is able to tell me facts about my players current and recent performance, my team and how they are trending among other things is incredible. It's the most dynamic and relevant commentary I've heard. But I do love the 2k commentary as well.
    scottyp180
    I get a little confused when people say the game looks exactly the same. Were you expecting NBA 2k to suddenly look like a completely different game? At this point in the console cycle they're not going to be completely revamping gameplay or graphics. It's more about building and improving on what's already there, which I think most people would agree is one of the strongest foundations in sport videogames. That's been 2Ks thing for awhile. The old "don't fix what isn't broke" mentality.
    I'm not disagreeing about the game looking very similar. If I watched 2k19 footage without knowing it was 2k19 I wouldn't immediately recognize it's a new game but I noticed enough little things here and there, along with some new animations that has me a bit excited. If this is basically a more polished 2k18 with some better animations and a little more fluidness to movement I'll be happy. But if that's not your thing and you were hoping for a more substantial update then I understand your disappointment.
    A big thing too is how the game feels. It might not look much different but how does it feel to play? Im going to use Madden 19 as an example. They went to the new graphics engine last year and then implemented the RPM this year. Watching footage prior to the release it didn't blow me away as looking much different from past Maddens. Graphics didn't look night and day better, animations were improved but it still looked like Madden. However actually playing the game, imo, is a different story. Now don't get me wrong, it's still Madden at the end of the day, but I think it feels and controls better than any Madden I've ever played. Graphics and animations are even better than what I observed from gameplay videos as well. Point being, what we see in gameplay videos and trailers might not be the best indicator of how much gameplay has improved. The eye test is one thing but it can be a different story once you sit down and play the game.

    Game seems as different as the last few 2K's on this gen to me. I've seen enough little things to know it's not the same game while being similar. And I honestly love 2K18, never had this much fun against the CPU (I don't play a lot so that may help) so I'am hoping it's similar. No reason to re-invent everything.
    This probably belongs more in the Art feedback thread but man, Pacers court colors are still WAY off. The art department has had a full year to fix it and still nothing.. they actually show it off like it's a good thing, wow.
    I know I'm not the only one who's hoping to see more and more authenticity.. not saying it's a game breaker but it does substract a lot from the overall experience in my opinion. What frustrates me is it wouldn't even take all taht much to fix this.
    Im confused on the number of complaints on the arena lighting. Not sure if its just me, but after numerous views of this trailer it seems most courts will have improved lighting. Pacers and Celtics courts especially look more "lit," compared to 2K18.
    As someone who plays on Broadcast, the lighting isn't a deal-breaker but it seems there will be noticeable differences in that aspect, imo. It easily seems like 5-10 more rows of seats are exposed than last year's addition.
    Really should’ve saved the money spent to have Bill Simmons and spent it on literally ANY former NBA player instead.
    Now I’ll have to hear quotes like, “You know these Celtics are really good. Stevens reminds me of this scene from Rounders...”
    badmrfrosty7
    Really should’ve saved the money spent to have Bill Simmons and spent it on literally ANY former NBA player instead.
    Now I’ll have to hear quotes like, “You know these Celtics are really good. Stevens reminds me of this scene from Rounders...”

    LOL !
    This is so true... Bill Simmons is such a Boston homer
    So after further examination of this trailer, I can say that the lighting in some arenas does look better than the lighting in others.
    Look how well lit these arenas are:


    Compared to:


    There has to be a way that 2k can take that lighting from the Celtics and Pacers arena & apply it to every other arena (not named Staples Center, Barclays Center, and MSG)
    The Gym Reaper
    How did Live get TD Garden license but not 2K
    I was just thinking the other day with all that VC money they should be able afford MSG and TD Garden.
    Unless EA did some backdoor dealings that they're exclusively licensed to them.
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    Goffs
    I was just thinking the other day with all that VC money they should be able afford MSG and TD Garden.
    Unless EA did some backdoor dealings that they're exclusively licensed to them.
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    I don't think this is on EA. Live 10 didn't have the naming rights to either TD or MSG. They were called Celtic and Knicks Arena, respectively. They both looked exactly like the real arenas just without the name. CH 2K8 has MSG for the Coaches Vs Cancer tourney, and it's only availible in Legacy. So my guess is that TD and MSG have their own thing going on with respect to rights. I used to think the rights were the reason 2Ks Knicks and Celtics arenas were so off. At one point the Knicks were like baby blue. Celtics arena never looks quite right in 2K but Live had them modeled accurately even without the naming rights. IDK
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