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NBA 2K18 Screenshots and Player Ratings - LeBron James, Dwyane Wade & More

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NBA 2K18 Screenshots and Player Ratings - LeBron James, Dwyane Wade & More

2K has released quite a few NBA 2K18 screenshots and player overall ratings over the past couple of days. Today they revealed a screenshot and the overall ratings for LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Let us know what you think!

All other NBA 2K18 player ratings, that have been released so far, can be seen below.

  • LeBron James – Overall 97
  • Kevin Durant – Overall 96
  • Kawhi Leonard – Overall 95
  • Steph Curry – Overall 94
  • Paul George – Overall 91
  • Karl-Anthony Towns – Overall 91
  • Giannis Antetokounmpo – Overall 91
  • Kyrie Irving – Overall 90
  • John Wall – Overall 90
  • Isaiah Thomas – Overall 89
  • DeMar DeRozan – Overall 89
  • Damian Lillard – Overall 89
  • Gordon Hayward – Overall 88
  • Bradley Beal – Overall 87
  • Kristaps Porzingis – Overall 86
  • Joel Embiid – Overall 86
  • Devin Booker – Overall 86
  • Andre Drummond – Overall 85
  • Dwyane Wade – Overall 84
  • Myles Turner – Overall 84
  • Dwight Howard – Overall 81
  • Jae Crowder – Overall 80
  • Zach LaVine – Overall 80
  • D’Angelo Russell – Overall 80
  • Markelle Fultz – Overall 80
  • Lonzo Ball – Overall 80
  • Derrick Rose – Overall 78
  • Josh Jackson – Overall 78
  • Evan Fournier – Overall 78
  • Jayson Tatum – Overall 77
  • Will Barton – Overall 77
  • Brandon Ingram – Overall 76
  • Dennis Smith, Jr. – Overall 76
  • Marquese Chriss – Overall 76
  • Bobby Portis – Overall 76
  • Terrance Ross – Overall 75
  • Anthony Tolliver – Overall 75
  • Nick Young – Overall 74
  • Sean Kilpatrick – Overall 74
  • Glenn Robinson III – Overall 74
  • Langston Galloway – Overall 73
  • Tyus Jones – Overall 73
  • Ben McLemore – Overall 73
  • Spencer Dinwiddie – Overall 73
  • Isaiah Whitehead – Overall 73
  • Justin Anderson – Overall 73
  • John Collins – Overall 73
  • Quincy Acy – Overall 72
  • Bam Adebayo – Overall 72
  • Davis Bertans – Overall 72
  • Kyle Kuzma – Overall 72
  • Brice Johnson – Overall 71
  • David Nwaba – Overall 71
  • Kay Felder – Overall 70

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  1. I don't mind the Wade to be honest...... looks better than years past in my opinion.
    I've tried tweeting Russ - there was no hope haha...... I'm 99% his face will be the same from last year. Otherwise we'd have seen him by now.
    Steve_OS
    Your thoughts?

    Hustle Westbrook
    Wow Wade only an 84? I thought he'd be a little bit higher considering the direction they went with ratings thisnyear
    Screenshots look good though.

    How is Wade an 84 but Rose a 78? They had very similar stats. Also Rose is getting better and better, not worse.
    MarkWilliam
    I don't mind the Wade to be honest...... looks better than years past in my opinion.
    I've tried tweeting Russ - there was no hope haha...... I'm 99% his face will be the same from last year. Otherwise we'd have seen him by now.

    Don't say that Mark. You'll jinx us..lol. I wish they would farm his face out to an artist like they did with some legends in 2k17 if they can't get him in for a scan. Please don't give us that same scan again 2k:signball::signball::signball:!
    Cavs2016
    LeBron should be a 99. Just averaged a triple double against one of the greatest teams ever. Played out of his mind. Had a historic season.

    It wasn't the greatest season of all-time, though. I like the idea of having nobody be at 99. The bar can always go higher.
    Cavs2016
    LeBron should be a 99. Just averaged a triple double against one of the greatest teams ever. Played out of his mind. Had a historic season.

    it was playoffs, He didnt pull a russell westbrook
    LeBron looks amazing but not much have changed about Wade face unfortunately. Maybe his hair is longer and beard is thicker or is it just me?
    Also I thought Wade's rating will be little higher after seeing how generous 2k is this year with their ratings but then I remembered how they treated D-Rose :duck:
    JazzMan
    It wasn't the greatest season of all-time, though. I like the idea of having nobody be at 99. The bar can always go higher.

    Jordan will be 99 on the All-time Bulls team.
    MarkWilliam
    I don't mind the Wade to be honest...... looks better than years past in my opinion.
    I've tried tweeting Russ - there was no hope haha...... I'm 99% his face will be the same from last year. Otherwise we'd have seen him by now.

    Nah he's the same, just higher res.
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    Cavs2016
    LeBron should be a 99. Just averaged a triple double against one of the greatest teams ever. Played out of his mind. Had a historic season.

    Says the Cavs fan lol. His season wasn't even as historic as Russ' who averaged a triple double over 82 games, you don't see people saying Russ should be a 99. I don't see how you can justify a 99. He's already the highest rated in the game. Only person I think should be a 99 is MJ and maybe 07-08 LeBron. Which was his best season. Regardless, ratings are fluid. You can do whatever you want with them when the game is out. It's just ego stroking and favoritism at this point.
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    JazzMan
    It wasn't the greatest season of all-time, though. I like the idea of having nobody be at 99. The bar can always go higher.

    I don't understand the ratings this year. They're handing out good ratings like candy to everyone except the top few players. Curry a 94, Durant a 96, and LeBron a 97 feels too low on this scale, especially after how dominant all three were in the Finals.
    All three played arguably the best basketball of their careers in this Finals. Where's the love?
    Cavs2016
    I don't understand the ratings this year. They're handing out good ratings like candy to everyone except the top few players. Curry a 94, Durant a 96, and LeBron a 97 feels too low on this scale, especially after how dominant all three were in the Finals.
    All three played arguably the best basketball of their careers in this Finals. Where's the love?

    I don't think playoff performances should be the basis of the ratings, personally. Part of the formula, sure. But I think aside from Curry needing a boost, these ratings are relatively fine. I don't think Westbrook should be higher than Curry, but he will be because of the season he had.
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    drabberplane
    Wade arms are definitely to slim

    Like I said in another thread. People are impressed with the new player models this year...because last years was so terrible.
    But in reality, they're pretty bad. No muscle definition. Everyones shoulders/traps look the same. Many guys have too small of arms. Tiny waists that don't match the bodies. Flat booty on everybody. Long necks on some guys.
    CookNBA03
    Finally, Dwyane got scanned.

    To me he looks almost exactly like last year expect for thicker hair.
    And his arms are slimmer which is not a good thing.
    jcas007
    Ratings system is way crazy rookies getting 79 and 80's and Rose only 78 after averaging 18 plus and 4 plus assists

    I agree. I think giving rookies ratings like 80 before they even play one NBA game while giving players like Rose rating 2 point lower is head-scratching
    jcas007
    Ratings system is way crazy rookies getting 79 and 80's and Rose only 78 after averaging 18 plus and 4 plus assists
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    Anti-Derrick Rose agenda. He's been getting hate for a while. He balled out last year and nobody respects it. Ronnie even put a snarky tweet up about him not changing his rating lol.
    GoDucks1224
    I don't think playoff performances should be the basis of the ratings, personally. Part of the formula, sure. But I think aside from Curry needing a boost, these ratings are relatively fine. I don't think Westbrook should be higher than Curry, but he will be because of the season he had.
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    Curry needs a boost says the San Fran Giants fan lol ;)
    GoDucks1224
    Says the Cavs fan lol. His season wasn't even as historic as Russ' who averaged a triple double over 82 games, you don't see people saying Russ should be a 99. I don't see how you can justify a 99. He's already the highest rated in the game. Only person I think should be a 99 is MJ and maybe 07-08 LeBron. Which was his best season. Regardless, ratings are fluid. You can do whatever you want with them when the game is out. It's just ego stroking and favoritism at this point.
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    I feel like we value different brands of basketball. I'm in love with the games of LeBron and Curry moreso than the Kyrie's and Kobe's of the world.
    Efficiency, IQ, and team value mean a lot to me.
    Insight23
    What's the deal with some of these photos being at such a low quality? Bron looks spot on although I would prefer some muscle definition.

    This. Can't help but compare -- I feel live 18 Bron is the bar, because of the details/definition. They have a pretty good face scan of him, but what really sets him apart is their default "athletic" (everybody is long, lean and with muscular definition) body/player model suits lebron perfectly.. still prefer 2k lebron overall, but yeah, some more muscle definition would've been nice
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    GoDucks1224
    His season wasn't even as historic as Russ' who averaged a triple double over 82 games, you don't see people saying Russ should be a 99. d maybe 07-08 LeBron. Which was his best season.
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    Not really arguing that LeBron should be a 99 but 07-08 was definitely not LeBron's best. Maybe from a pure stat standpoint, but he's maybe a better player now and a for sure better player in Miami when you had the point where his athletic peak and skills peak were coming to a meet.
    Also, what LeBron has done over the course of the last 3 seasons is 100% more impressive than Westbrook's regular season. Golden State in terms of win percentage over the past 3 seasons is the best basketball team of all time. Better than Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, Russell's Celtics, etc. no other team in league history has a 3 year span that equals GS's win%.
    LeBron is averaging 33,9,12 over a span of 3 straight finals trips (18 games). That's numbers in the finals, against the on paper greatest team of all time. Much more impressive than anything a player would do in the regular season. Half those games mean essentially nothing.
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    Steve_OS
    Your thoughts?

    They just have him the same rating as last year...
    LeBron should be a 98+ to be honest.
    He had an amazing season and playoff, averaging a Triple Dub vs the greatest team.
    2K holding LeBron... Same as Rose tbh.
    By the way, Wade should be atleast 85+.
    MoodMuzik
    Curry needs a boost says the San Fran Giants fan lol ;)

    Well yeah but. He's on par with Harden and below Westbrook. I think most would agree that's pretty silly. A year ago people argued Curry should be the second or even best player in the game. His offense dipped by a few points and percentages but he's still clearly a better player than Harden or Westbrook. He's efficient. He changes defensive schemes with his presence. He's an all time great shooter and ball handler. He has good playmaking ability from an assists standpoint and from a setting guys up standpoint. He is one of the most efficient players in the league driving to the hoop. He rebounds well for his height. He's basically always top 3 in steals. Defends pretty well, metrically he was just below CP3 and Beverly. But he typically doesn't guard the superstar point guards so I won't say he's elite. He's just far superior defensively than the memes and haters would have you think. I would argue he's better than Westbrook defensively, and he's way more efficient and deadly offensively. Westbrook had a historic season. But he was also the only consistent and competent scorer on the team. He HAD to have a historic season just to make the playoffs. But it doesn't matter. These ratings are pretty meaningless since I never really play online.
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    Cavs2016
    I feel like we value different brands of basketball. I'm in love with the games of LeBron and Curry moreso than the Kyrie's and Kobe's of the world.
    Efficiency, IQ, and team value mean a lot to me.

    As am I. Which is why I think LeBron is fine right where he is. He's highest rated in the game. But Durant deserves to be right behind him. So does Kawhi, IMO. And Curry. How he's a 94, on par with Harden, is beyond me.
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    ojandpizza
    Not really arguing that LeBron should be a 99 but 07-08 was definitely not LeBron's best. Maybe from a pure stat standpoint, but he's maybe a better player now and a for sure better player in Miami when you had the point where his athletic peak and skills peak were coming to a meet.
    Also, what LeBron has done over the course of the last 3 seasons is 100% more impressive than Westbrook's regular season. Golden State in terms of win percentage over the past 3 seasons is the best basketball team of all time. Better than Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers, Russell's Celtics, etc. no other team in league history has a 3 year span that equals GS's win%.
    LeBron is averaging 33,9,12 over a span of 3 straight finals trips (18 games). That's numbers in the finals, against the on paper greatest team of all time. Much more impressive than anything a player would do in the regular season. Half those games mean essentially nothing.
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    They might be one of the greatest of all time, but I wouldn't say they're the greatest defensively. And as I said, I don't think playoffs should be what it's based on. Part of the formula, yes. But less than half. In that comment I also said I don't think Westbrook should be a 99. I think he should be below Kawhi, Curry, Durant, etc.
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    Homer or not, Lebron James and Michael Jordan are the only ones who should be 99. I don't get too caught up in the ratings controversy this year but come on.
    They were right about Wade (YouTubers). Pretty damn slim. Best LeBron I've seen in a basketball game.
    6ixVictor
    They just have him the same rating as last year...
    LeBron should be a 98+ to be honest.
    He had an amazing season and playoff, averaging a Triple Dub vs the greatest team.
    2K holding LeBron... Same as Rose tbh.
    By the way, Wade should be atleast 85+.

    His season wasn't really a huge standout when compared to other players seasons. Or his previous seasons. Career highs, by less than 1, in rebounding and assists. Points were around the same they've been for 3 years. Undoubtedly LeBron is the best player in the league, one of the best ever, but chill. He's already highest rated. And Durant isn't that far away from him based on the last couple seasons. The biggest difference is their playmaking. There shouldn't be a big gap. Also, Wade wasn't great last year. He's slow defensively, he was relatively inefficient. His lowest PPG since he was a rookie, his career low in assists. Career low FG%. Career low TS%. Career low in eFG%. I think Wade is fine where he is. Rose needs to be higher, though. Rookies need to be lower.
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    GoDucks1224
    They might be one of the greatest of all time, but I wouldn't say they're the greatest defensively. And as I said, I don't think playoffs should be what it's based on. Part of the formula, yes. But less than half. In that comment I also said I don't think Westbrook should be a 99. I think he should be below Kawhi, Curry, Durant, etc.
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    Maybe not the greatest team of all time but in terms of win percentage they 100% are. They have a higher 3 year win% than any team had ever had...
    Why should playoffs not factor in overall? It's well known LeBron coasts in the regular season, why would ratings not reflect the best version of him? It's not like there is a rating for taking plays off in a video game, therefor his ratings should reflect his abilities at their best. Playoffs are indefinitely more challenging than the regular season.
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    jcas007
    Ratings system is way crazy rookies getting 79 and 80's and Rose only 78 after averaging 18 plus and 4 plus assists
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    18 points and 4 assists doesn't mean much, you have to actually watch games to see why Rose's overall is what it is. I know we love MVP D-Rose, but that guy is gone.
    There are attributes that go into every rating. D-Rose is one of the worst defenders at his position for that reason he should not fare well in things like defensive awareness, steals, on-ball defense. D-Rose shot 22% from 3, he should be a non-factor behind the arc, D-Rose still has elite speed and body control but he doesn't explode for dunks anymore he dunked 8 times in 64 games that means a low dunk rating, he is not a strong playmaker for others and has a high tendency to jump pass 4.4 assists for a starting PG is not good. His durability rating will not be high he we all know his injury history, he can't clear 65 games, he can't play 36 minutes, he ended the season on a torn meniscus.
    With a 78 overall D-Rose will play like D-Rose, he will be a good slashing scoring PG in the game. I want to know how on earth D-Rose deserves a rating in the 80's like y'all are saying?
    Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz are supposed to be NBA-ready PG's, they are the two most hyped guards in a while. That's why they are 80 rated.
    D Rose can't shoot, is a pretty poor playmaker by point guard standards, a terrible defender, and most of his explosiveness (which is what made him so great before) has faded.. putting up 18 a game on a ****ty Knicks team doesn't mean he should have a good overall rating rating when the skills aren't there lol.
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    ojandpizza
    Maybe not the greatest team of all time but in terms of win percentage they 100% are. They have a higher 3 year win% than any team had ever had...
    Why should playoffs not factor in overall? It's well known LeBron coasts in the regular season, why would ratings not reflect the best version of him? It's not like there is a rating for taking plays off in a video game, therefor his ratings should reflect his abilities at their best. Playoffs are indefinitely more challenging than the regular season.
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    Obviously they're one of the greatest. I just said they aren't the greatest defensively.
    I said they should be less than 50% of the formula. How did you get 'they shouldn't factor at all' out of that? Obviously the playoffs are more challenging, but if we base everything on the dozen or so playoff games guys get, we'd have insane ratings for some players. Marcus Smart would be like a 90. Thon Maker in the mid 80's. Avery Bradley in the 90's. Things would be outrageous. Larger sample size > smaller sample size. That's how it has to be. Playoffs should factor in, but you absolutely can't base their rating off of it.
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    ForeverVersatile
    Wade fans I'm trying to get Ronnie and LD to ask the Art Director to change him to the 2K16 face model. I think it looks much better than the 2K17/18 face. Also I wish they'd fix his hair for once and make and it look even.

    Actually I would rather see close-up of his 2k18 face first cause after closer look it does look little different. But I'm really happy that you're committed Wade's fan!
    You think that you could at least talked them to make his hair and beard look even thicker? He tweeted couple days back about sticking to that look, Gabby seem to love that :lol:
    drabberplane
    Actually I would rather see close-up of his 2k18 face first cause after closer look it does look little different. But I'm really happy that you're committed Wade's fan!
    You think that you could at least talked them to make his hair and beard look even thicker? He tweeted couple days back about sticking to that look, Gabby seem to love that

    Yeah I couldn't tell because the pic resolution is low. He did have the thicker beard during the season, I'll tweet them and see what they say.
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    ojandpizza
    D Rose can't shoot, is a pretty poor playmaker by point guard standards, a terrible defender, and most of his explosiveness (which is what made him so great before) has faded.. putting up 18 a game on a ****ty Knicks team doesn't mean he should have a good overall rating rating when the skills aren't there lol.
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    *scratches head*
    DTHEGAWD
    With a 78 overall D-Rose will play like D-Rose, he will be a good slashing scoring PG in the game. I want to know how on earth D-Rose deserves a rating in the 80's like y'all are saying?

    He was playing in a broken offensive system for a broken organization. 18 a game is remarkable considering the quality of play that Knicks team put on the court. Porzingis and Melo both had worse seasons as well. Punishing him for that train wreck of a team is silly.
    His eFG% was 47.7% which is right in line with his career highs, of 48%. So was his 53% TS. No, he's not a shooter. But he's still a very effective slasher with the ability to make plays on the drive and kick.
    He deserves to be higher rated than unproven rookies, regardless of their hype. If they're going to give rookies higher ratings, up at 80 this year, then Rose should be on par or slightly above those. But I believe their ratings should all be lower. Guys who got drafted in the second round or end of the first are ending up at 73-76 overall, which is just insanity.
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    MontanaMan
    *scratches head*

    don't be offended my friend, it's only his opinion not a fact. I am also a D. Rose fan and his 78 rating got no reaction from me because it will change on whether he plays well or not.
    MontanaMan
    *scratches head*

    What does this have to do with his god awful defense, the fact he's a non-factor beyond 15 feet, his durability, and below average playmaking?
    You'll still be able to drive and cross over and do all those things you saw in that video with a 78 rated D-Rose.
    DTHEGAWD
    What does this have to do with his god awful defense, the fact he's a non-factor beyond 15 feet, his durability, and below average playmaking?
    You'll still be able to drive and cross over and do all those things you saw in that video with a 78 rated D-Rose.

    He held perimeter shooters to 34% shooting. He had a positive DWS, and his DPBM was only -2.2 on a terrible Knicks team that played bad defense. He's at worst a league average defender. His VORP was 0.0 so technically he was exactly league average.
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    ForeverVersatile
    Yeah I couldn't tell because the pic resolution is low. He did have the thicker beard during the season, I'll tweet them and see what they say.
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    Thanks man, appreciate it! Also everyone here and even you tubers seem to agree that his arms are to slim, they should recognize that
    GoDucks1224
    He was playing in a broken offensive system for a broken organization. 18 a game is remarkable considering the quality of play that Knicks team put on the court. Porzingis and Melo both had worse seasons as well. Punishing him for that train wreck of a team is silly.
    His eFG% was 47.7% which is right in line with his career highs, of 48%. So was his 53% TS. No, he's not a shooter. But he's still a very effective slasher with the ability to make plays on the drive and kick.
    He deserves to be higher rated than unproven rookies, regardless of their hype. If they're going to give rookies higher ratings, up at 80 this year, then Rose should be on par or slightly above those. But I believe their ratings should all be lower. Guys who got drafted in the second round or end of the first are ending up at 73-76 overall, which is just insanity.
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    Porzingis did not have a worse season.
    Looking at volume scoring numbers is meaningless. The Knicks would have been better if D-Rose didn't kill spacing with his 22% 3PT, if D-Rose wasn't one of the worst defenders at his position who always dies on the screen and misses rotations, if D-Rose built chemistry with KP like Brandon Jennings did if you watch Knicks ball D-Rose was selfish at times forcing drives. He was once benched in favor of Ron Baker! His eFG% is so high because he did most of his work in the paint taking a near career low in threes. It's like y'all forget durability is also an attribute and defense/shooting matter.
    In 2017, if Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz skillsets translate and they are the elite guard prospects they displayed in college and SL, they are better players than Rose with more dimensions to their games.
    Who are these end of first round and second round picks you feel are overrated?
    NINJAK2
    Don't say that Mark. You'll jinx us..lol. I wish they would farm his face out to an artist like they did with some legends in 2k17 if they can't get him in for a scan. Please don't give us that same scan again 2k:signball::signball::signball:!

    Yeah this is what I'm hoping.
    In the art vid they said they were re-using old scans but bringing out more detail to make them look better (or something along those lines)...... so even if this is the case with Russ, I'd be happy. Just need to SEE HIM DAMMIT!!!! Haha....
    GoDucks1224
    He held perimeter shooters to 34% shooting. He had a positive DWS, and his DPBM was only -2.2 on a terrible Knicks team that played bad defense. He's at worst a league average defender. His VORP was 0.0 so technically he was exactly league average.
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    A -2.2 defensive box plus minus is terrible. The Knicks were 5.5 points better per 100 possessions defensively when D-Rose was off the floor, ranked near the bottom of the league with a -2.36 defensive real plus minus. He barely registered any defensive win shares not sure how you're using that as a positive, and had one of the worst defensive ratings on the team at 115.
    Forget stats I watch most Knicks game, dude is a low activity defender. Rose only digs in defensively particularly on-ball when going up against other great PG's that's something I've noticed. He has carried the stigma of being a weak defender his entire career and this should be represented in 2K.
    MontanaMan
    *scratches head*

    It's a highlight video.. meant to show highlights.. this has nothing to do with what I said. I can pull up a highlight video that makes Vince Carter look like the GOAT.
    Dude shot 21% from 3, and under 50% on any shot outside of 3 feet from the rim. He might literally be the worst shooter to start at either guard spot in the entire NBA this past season. In fact out of any guard to start at least 1 game this season he was 107th in the league if you rank them by their eFG%..
    He's a horrible defender. He doesn't get assists, he doesn't rebound.. his defensive numbers are worse than even James Harden's who literally has videos on YouTube for how pathetic his defense is.
    His box plus minus was a negative. He's a starting point guard and his ast% was 80th in the league this past season. For reference even DeMarcus Cousins cracked the top 50. His player impact estimate was 102nd, his defensive rating was the worst in the entire league for any player that played 30+ minutes, his Net rating was a freakin -3.9 good for 322nd in the entire league.
    Do I need to go on? He's been trash for years now. He might have a bounce back year, in which case they can up his ratings. But based his his past couple years, a 78 or whatever is what is actually being generous.
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    DTHEGAWD
    Porzingis did not have a worse season.
    Looking at volume scoring numbers is meaningless. The Knicks would have been better if D-Rose didn't kill spacing with his 22% 3PT, if D-Rose wasn't one of the worst defenders at his position who always dies on the screen and misses rotations, if D-Rose built chemistry with KP like Brandon Jennings did if you watch Knicks ball D-Rose was selfish at times forcing drives. His eFG% is so high because he did most of his work in the paint taking a near career low in threes. It's like y'all forget durability is also an attribute and defense/shooting matter.
    In 2017, if Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fultz skillsets translate and they are the elite guard prospects they displayed in college and SL, are better players than Rose with more dimensions to their games.
    Who are these end of first round and second round picks you feel are overrated?

    You're right. His VORP was .1 point higher lol. Those extra 4 PPG made him slightly better.
    I'm not looking at just 'volume scoring numbers' I presented you with a variety of shooting percentages as well as defensive statistics and his VORP. Obviously not being a good 3 point shooter isn't good, but he took significantly fewer attempts. That's a good thing. If you're not a good shooter, don't shoot. It doesn't matter how his efficiency went up, it just matters that it did. The Knicks had Porzingis, Holiday, Melo shooting 35% from 3, and Courtney Lee at 40%. Lance Thomas shot 44% on his 2 attempts a game. And basically everyone else on the bench was terrible. Rose wasn't the sole reason for their spacing issues lol.
    Chemistry isn't a trackable metric, and that entire locker room is pretty fractured. Lol wonder if Brandon Jennings can build chemistry with his Chinese teammates. I watched the Knicks quite a few times last year, it was hard to resist drilling a hole in my skull.
    You obviously have an axe to grind against him because you clearly weren't happy with the signing or your teams performance. But you can't put the struggles of the team solely on him. The Knicks are bad. Really bad. Their offensive system was completely broken. You had a number of roster changes and 10 day contracts because the D-League caliber players filling most of the roster were so bad they kept getting waived.
    Rookies shouldn't be 80 overall. You said it yourself, they're hyped. Projected. I say let them prove it.
    Kuzma is a 72 because of his summer league performances lol. John Collins is a 73, even though he's pretty much a potential guy based on athleticism and big dunks. And not just rookies, Kay Felder is a 70 after basically doing nothing. Langston Galloway is a 73 after basically doing nothing. Spencer Dinwiddie is a 73. It's like 60's don't exist anymore. Being a high 60 as a rookie or end of bench player isn't the end of the world. Just make potentials reflect their career trajectory. Whether it be draft position or improved performances. If they have sustained improved performance, update the rating. Don't make everyone good out of the box, it waters down the elites.
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    ForeverVersatile
    Wade fans I'm trying to get Ronnie and LD to ask the Art Director to change him to the 2K16 face model. I think it looks much better than the 2K17/18 face. Also I wish they'd fix his hair for once and make and it look even.
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    They need to go back to the 2K11 model or even better, get a fresh scan.The 2K16 model is the same as 2K17... Just a different texture. And neither quite look like him.
    ojandpizza

    His box plus minus was a negative. He's a starting point guard and his ast% was 80th in the league this past season. For reference even DeMarcus Cousins cracked the top 50. His player impact estimate was 102nd, his defensive rating was the worst in the entire league for any player that played 30+ minutes, his Net rating was a freakin -3.9 good for 322nd in the entire league.

    Plus/Minus is influenced by the team you're on. You don't have to be a good 3 point shooter to be a good player, just stop taking 3's. Which he largely did. Net rating is influenced by the team. I love cherry picking team influenced stats that he grades out terribly in. For the record, Carmelo Anthony's Net Rating was -5.0 so.
    His PER was around 18, which was where his career was in line with outside of his two MVP (or MVP like) seasons.
    You guys keep acting like Rose is the worst player ever to play the game. I'm not arguing he should be a high rated player. In fact, I think a 78 is fine. But I think the rookies shouldn't be 79+.
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    eko718
    They need to go back to the 2K11 model or even better, get a fresh scan.The 2K16 model is the same as 2K17... Just a different texture. And neither quite look like him.

    I think the texture definitely helps make him look more believable, but the main problem is the head/face shape. He was never scanned so it'll never be right.
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    GoDucks1224
    Says the Cavs fan lol. His season wasn't even as historic as Russ' who averaged a triple double over 82 games, you don't see people saying Russ should be a 99. I don't see how you can justify a 99. He's already the highest rated in the game. Only person I think should be a 99 is MJ and maybe 07-08 LeBron. Which was his best season. Regardless, ratings are fluid. You can do whatever you want with them when the game is out. It's just ego stroking and favoritism at this point.
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    Also got scorched on defense believe KD shot 72% when he guarded him. LeBron should be highest rated but KD should either be tied or one notch below.
    Anyways don't want to get deep in that, LeBron looks great. Wade looks pretty much the same for me. Will have to see a comparison pic from 2K17.
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    DTHEGAWD
    A -2.2 defensive box plus minus is terrible. The Knicks were 5.5 points better per 100 possessions defensively when D-Rose was on the floor, ranked near the bottom of the league with a -2.36 defensive real plus minus. He barely registered any defensive win shares not sure how you're using that as a positive, and had one of the worst defensive ratings on the team at 115.
    Forget stats I watch most Knicks game, dude is a low activity defender. Rose only digs in defensively particularly on-ball when going up against other great PG's that's something I've noticed. He has carried the stigma of being a weak defender his entire career and this should be represented in 2K.

    Registering slightly positive win shares, and a 0.0 VORP, means you're at minimum league average.
    Forget stats? No thanks. Eye test doesn't cut it. I'm not saying he's a good defender. Or even above average. I'm saying he's not the worst defender of all time the way you're acting like he is.
    You're also entirely blaming him for the Knicks defensive struggles. The team is loaded with poor defensive players. Melo isn't even remotely a good defender.
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    GoDucks1224
    You're right. His VORP was .1 point higher lol. Those extra 4 PPG made him slightly better.
    I'm not looking at just 'volume scoring numbers' I presented you with a variety of shooting percentages as well as defensive statistics and his VORP. Obviously not being a good 3 point shooter isn't good, but he took significantly fewer attempts. That's a good thing. If you're not a good shooter, don't shoot. It doesn't matter how his efficiency went up, it just matters that it did. The Knicks had Porzingis, Holiday, Melo shooting 35% from 3, and Courtney Lee at 40%. Lance Thomas shot 44% on his 2 attempts a game. And basically everyone else on the bench was terrible. Rose wasn't the sole reason for their spacing issues lol.
    Chemistry isn't a trackable metric, and that entire locker room is pretty fractured. Lol wonder if Brandon Jennings can build chemistry with his Chinese teammates. I watched the Knicks quite a few times last year, it was hard to resist drilling a hole in my skull.
    You obviously have an axe to grind against him because you clearly weren't happy with the signing or your teams performance. But you can't put the struggles of the team solely on him. The Knicks are bad. Really bad. Their offensive system was completely broken. You had a number of roster changes and 10 day contracts because the D-League caliber players filling most of the roster were so bad they kept getting waived.
    Rookies shouldn't be 80 overall. You said it yourself, they're hyped. Projected. I say let them prove it.
    Kuzma is a 72 because of his summer league performances lol. John Collins is a 73, even though he's pretty much a potential guy based on athleticism and big dunks. And not just rookies, Kay Felder is a 70 after basically doing nothing. Langston Galloway is a 73 after basically doing nothing. Spencer Dinwiddie is a 73. It's like 60's don't exist anymore. Being a high 60 as a rookie or end of bench player isn't the end of the world. Just make potentials reflect their career trajectory. Whether it be draft position or improved performances. If they have sustained improved performance, update the rating. Don't make everyone good out of the box, it waters down the elites.
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    I have nothing against D-Rose, he's one of my favorite players ever. I'm glad I got to see him play last season even though he's not prime Rose and we didn't play to our potential.
    I think we agree D-Rose as a 22% 3PT is a spacing negative and a non-shooter beyond the free throw stripe. That should be represented in 2K, being a Tony Allen status three point shooter, weak defender, average playmaker, not being the explosive above the rim athlete he once was, those are things that are going to drastically lower his overall.
    I think you said something about the team being a train wreck but Rose was responsible for some of that. He was mad as hell because he got benched in favor of Ron Baker, who helped us win and no-showed a game with no explanation . If you watched the Knicks he was selfish forcing drives and playing isolation basketball. We sucked it's not all on Rose, but he deserves blame I see a lot of Rose stans who blame the team like Rose had nothing to do with it.
    Well, with rookies all you can do is project. I don't think rookies should be banned from being an 80, especially if we're talking high lottery picks. If they have skills that are expected to translate they should be represented. If they end up tanking they'll be lowered the first roster update nothing to worry about. Lonzo is a transcendent passer and Markelle looks like a bonafide NBA ready scoring guard.
    A 72 for Kuzma is fair based on his skillset, he handles the ball well for a big, he's a fluid athlete, he has a pure shooting stroke, those are things that should be represented in 2K. Collins is a high level athlete and rebounder that translate to the NBA and should be represented in his overall.
    Kay Felder at a 70 is respectable. He ranks highly in speed, he has a good handle, he shot 32% from 3 not great but it shows he can hit threes, he has a muscular build at 5'9 so he should have good strength, he knows how to run the P&R. He didn't play much because he's a rookie on the Cavaliers. His per 36 minute stats are 15.5 points, 4 rebounds, 5.5 assists, and 1.7 steals per game.
    Langston Galloway and Spencer Dinwiddie are decent back-up PG's with redeemable qualities. 60's ratings should be reserved to raw players, one dimensional/specialty players, washed up veteran players. Players like Semaj Christon deserve ratings in the 60's. Low 70's ratings are nothing to freak about.
    DTHEGAWD
    I have nothing against D-Rose, he's one of my favorite players ever. I'm glad I got to see him play last season even though he's not prime Rose and we didn't play to our potential.
    I think we agree D-Rose as a 22% 3PT is a spacing negative and a non-shooter beyond the free throw stripe. That should be represented in 2K, being a Tony Allen status three point shooter, weak defender, average playmaker, not being the explosive above the rim athlete he once was, those are things that are going to drastically lower his overall.
    I think you said something about the team being a train wreck but Rose was responsible for some of that. He was mad as hell because he got benched in favor of Ron Baker, who helped us win and no-showed a game with no explanation . If you watched the Knicks he was selfish forcing drives and playing isolation basketball. We sucked it's not all on Rose, but he deserves blame I see a lot of Rose stans who blame the team like Rose had nothing to do with it.
    Well, with rookies all you can do is project. I don't think rookies should be banned from being an 80, especially if we're talking high lottery picks. If they have skills that are expected to translate they should be represented. If they end up tanking they'll be lowered the first roster update nothing to worry about. Lonzo is a transcendent passer and Markelle looks like a bonafide NBA ready scoring guard.
    A 72 for Kuzma is fair based on his skillset, he handles the ball well for a big, he's a fluid athlete, he has a pure shooting stroke, those are things that should be represented in 2K. Collins is a high level athlete and rebounder that translate to the NBA and should be represented in his overall. Is 2K supposed to underrate aspects of their game?
    Kay Felder at a 70 is respectable. He ranks highly in speed, he has a good handle, he shot 32% from 3 not great but it shows he can hit threes, he has a muscular build at 5'9 so he should have good strength, he knows how to run the P&R. He didn't play much because he's a rookie on the Cavaliers. His per 36 minute stats are 15.5 points, 4 rebounds, 5.5 assists, and 1.7 steals per game.
    Langston Galloway and Spencer Dinwiddie are decent back-up PG's with redeemable qualities. 60's ratings should be reserved to raw players, one dimensional/specialty players, washed up veteran players. Players like Semaj Christon deserve ratings in the 60's. Low 70's ratings are nothing to freak about.

    I'm not saying he wasn't responsible for some of it. I'm saying he was far from being the only issue on that team. Yes, he did play selfishly at times. He did seem to quit on the team. But I think that was a product of frustration with how bad they were. The same thing happened to Rondo in Dallas. All I am saying is, he isn't the worst player ever. A 78 is fine. I just think those top tier rookies should top out around 78 until they prove themselves more. I'm of the opinion that nothing is a sure thing, and I think ratings should reflect that.
    I think the high 60's shouldn't be viewed as negatively as it is. We're trending towards every player being 70+ with a lot of 80+. It's going to water down the elite guys. In my opinion.
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    GoDucks1224
    Registering slightly positive win shares, and a 0.0 VORP, means you're at minimum league average.
    Forget stats? No thanks. Eye test doesn't cut it. I'm not saying he's a good defender. Or even above average. I'm saying he's not the worst defender of all time the way you're acting like he is.
    You're also entirely blaming him for the Knicks defensive struggles. The team is loaded with poor defensive players. Melo isn't even remotely a good defender.
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    Having slightly positive win shares doesn't mean that bro.
    He's not the worst defender of All-Time but he's one of the worst at his position.
    Melo is a bad defender. I expected a team with Joakim Noah, Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee and solid effort defenders like Kyle O'Quinn, Justin Holiday, and Lance Thomas to be better defensively. It didn't work out for a multitude of reasons.
    DTHEGAWD
    Having slightly positive win shares doesn't mean that bro.
    He's not the worst defender of All-Time but he's one of the worst at his position.
    Melo is a bad defender. I expected a team with Joakim Noah, Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee and solid effort defenders like Kyle O'Quinn, Justin Holiday, and Lance Thomas to be better defensively. It didn't work out for a multitude of reasons.

    True. It's not like WAR. But having a 0.0 VORP, and not being in the negatives, means he's exactly at league average.
    Yes, Melo is a bad defender. My point was that the team had quite a few bad defenders last season. Or guys that were normally good defenders that defended worse last season.
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    GoDucks1224

    I think the high 60's shouldn't be viewed as negatively as it is.

    To me a 60's overall pretty much means you suck and are a generally unproductive player who doesn't have much skill or redeemable qualities, a below average player, out of the rotation. We have to think about the attributes that make up the overall. Think about it, its hard to do ANYTHING with a player in the 60's.
    DTHEGAWD
    To me a 60's overall pretty much means you suck and are a generally unproductive player who doesn't have much skill or redeemable qualities, a below average player, out of the rotation. We have to think about the attributes that make up the overall. Think about it, its hard to do ANYTHING with a player in the 60's.

    Sometimes they excel at certain things though. There are some guys in the 60's that can drain 3's with the best of them. Or good passers. Sometimes defense only guys like JaKarr Sampson, who I find is pretty effective in 2K because of his length and defensive ratings. I dunno. I guess low 70's is okay, I'm just afraid of getting to the point where being a good player means you're in the 80's. We've got quite a few in the 90's these days.
    Ideally I'd like role players in the 70-75 range. Good players in the 75-80 range. Really good players in the 80-85. Great in the 85-90. Elite in the 90-95. And best in the NBA in the 95-99 range.
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    Rose shouldn't be an 80, his game doesn't translate well to 2K's rating system. He can't shoot the long ball, not as good of a playmaker as he once was, was explosive but nowhere near as explosive as he was before. Was a poor defender, that only put in effort when he wanted to.
    People need to just realize D-Rose is not the player he once was, D-Rose would be an 81 if he was better a playmaking, that jumps ratings for PGs in 2K
    MackZillaTV
    Rose shouldn't be an 80, his game doesn't translate well to 2K's rating system. He can't shoot the long ball, not as good of a playmaker as he once was, was explosive but nowhere near as explosive as he was before. Was a poor defender, that only put in effort when he wanted to.
    People need to just realize D-Rose is not the player he once was, D-Rose would be an 81 if he was better a playmaking, that jumps ratings for PGs in 2K

    I understand his deficiencies. My problem is more that we have rookies at an 80 overall. I just don't think unproven commodities, regardless of hype, should be that high. That's better than like 70% of the games players.
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    ojandpizza
    It's a highlight video.. meant to show highlights.. this has nothing to do with what I said. I can pull up a highlight video that makes Vince Carter look like the GOAT.
    Dude shot 21% from 3, and under 50% on any shot outside of 3 feet from the rim. He might literally be the worst shooter to start at either guard spot in the entire NBA this past season. In fact out of any guard to start at least 1 game this season he was 107th in the league if you rank them by their eFG%..
    He's a horrible defender. He doesn't get assists, he doesn't rebound.. his defensive numbers are worse than even James Harden's who literally has videos on YouTube for how pathetic his defense is.
    His box plus minus was a negative. He's a starting point guard and his ast% was 80th in the league this past season. For reference even DeMarcus Cousins cracked the top 50. His player impact estimate was 102nd, his defensive rating was the worst in the entire league for any player that played 30+ minutes, his Net rating was a freakin -3.9 good for 322nd in the entire league.
    Do I need to go on? He's been trash for years now. He might have a bounce back year, in which case they can up his ratings. But based his his past couple years, a 78 or whatever is what is actually being generous.
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    I'm not denying most of what you said. I can't argue with an advanced stat junkie. I moreso was referring to you saying most of his explosiveness was gone. A faded Derrick Rose is still more explosive and athletic than most guards in the league. He's still very tough to stand in front of on defense even with bad knees. Kyrie is bottom of the barrel defensively too. Ratings are subjective however.
    Y'all or crazy lol, anyways, this is the same damn Wade guys. It's been the same Wade since 2k14 when he was originally scanned. The problem is the scanning tech has improved since then and is a lot more accurate. For a guy like Wade, that is huge because he has very distinctive facial features like his eyes and defined jawline (this is kinda the same problem with the old Kawhi scan).
    MontanaMan
    I'm not denying most of what you said. I can't argue with an advanced stat junkie. I moreso was referring to you saying most of his explosiveness was gone. A faded Derrick Rose is still more explosive and athletic than most guards in the league. He's still very tough to stand in front of on defense even with bad knees. Kyrie is bottom of the barrel defensively too. Ratings are subjective however.

    His above the rim is explosiveness is gone. D-Rose was what an 81 in 2K17? I had no problem going coast to coast with him and dunking. His dunk rating was too high. Derrick Rose does not dunk anymore, it's not that he can't, it's that he doesn't have the same quick twitch explosion he used to have and he doesn't want to get hurt. He attempted 9 dunks and landed 8 in 64 games last year. His speed and body control are still elite, but he shouldn't be dunking with ease like in 2K17.
    Kyrie is bottom of the barrel defensively, but his offensive attributes are so elite it still makes up for a high overall. He has like maxed out ball handling, maxed out lay-ups, one of the best post-up guards in the game, elite shooter from everywhere. Myself I wouldn't give Kyrie a 90, to me Damian Lillard is a slightly better player, I'd give Kyrie an 89 but no way 2K doesn't bless him with a 90 with a Finals appearance and him being the cover athlete and all.
    I feel you, you're not wrong about some of what you say. I'm a biased fan but I can keep it real.
    Rose isn't going to bang on anybody anymore granted, but he's still extremely crafty around the rim. His only equal/better in that department is Uncle Drew.
    GoDucks1224
    Obviously they're one of the greatest. I just said they aren't the greatest defensively.
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    In an era of all time historic lows of FTA's and in an era of all time highs in scoring, 3's taken/3's made... they ranked #1 in defense 3 straight years, and that's with KD35 missing 20 games last year.
    They're a fantastic defensive group, and LeBron has 0 problem with them offensively. Plus, as stated he "coasts" through the regular season and got career highs in assists/rebounds in his 14th year then became the only player ever in any Finals series of any length average a triple double. A 30 point triple double I might add, against said defensive (and offensive) juggernaut.
    PS. As far as star talent goes, rookies can absolutely be 80 overall, and certainly better. I agree don't go overboard, and maybe you're just taking Rose as the 78 example, but 80 overall seems pretty close to where the skillset of Lonzo might just be.
    But that depends on your outlook. Everyone says MyCareer draft day is garbage because "no one would ever be #1 pick and be a 55 overall".. well, ask Anthony Bennett about that. But then "rookies shouldn't be an 80 overall" and Kyrie Irving popped off like 18/4/5/1 in his rookie season shooting 47% from the floor and 40% from 3... that's probably OVER and 80 overall.
    So where does the truth lie?
    Looking at these OVR ratings I feel the system as a whole is extremely flawed. What is the basis of how the attributes are defined? Is it just regular stats or advanced stats?
    It's very hard for me to justify D-Wade being an 84. I think players in 2k in general are given their ratings based on popularity. A player like Wade will receive a boost, while a player like Middleton doesn't get as much respect.
    MoodMuzik
    they ranked #1 in defense 3 straight years, and that's with KD35 missing 20 games last year.

    Where did you get that info from? They were second last year. Fourth in 2015-2016. First in 14-15, but there were 4 teams within a point of each other that year. The Spurs have been first 2/3 years, and 3rd in 14-15. How can they possibly be one of the best defensive teams ever, when they haven't even been the best defensive team in the league? The Spurs were historically great two years ago. As I said, they're great defensively. They aren't 'best ever' great.
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    Kmeb35
    Looking at these OVR ratings I feel the system as a whole is extremely flawed. What is the basis of how the attributes are defined? Is it just regular stats or advanced stats?
    It's very hard for me to justify D-Wade being an 84. I think players in 2k in general are given their ratings based on popularity. A player like Wade will receive a boost, while a player like Middleton doesn't get as much respect.

    Seems to me it's largely a popularity contest, plenty of overreaction too. Thank you blessed 2K for allowing full roster editing.
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    Screenshots look good, but the rating don't. There's gotta be a better way. Set a solid base of what ratings mean in terms of percentage and frequency, Then match them up with real life stat data. Everything 2K needs is easily accessible via the internet. There's just gotta be a better way of rating than opinion. Rose is a 78 this year... Why?
    Dione2014
    Screenshots look good, but the rating don't. There's gotta be a better way. Set a solid base of what ratings mean in terms of percentage and frequency, Then match them up with real life stat data. Everything 2K needs is easily accessible via the internet. There's just gotta be a better way of rating than opinion. Rose is a 78 this year... Why?

    Rose being a 78 is crazy to me but I think D wade is good at an 84. honestly i might even put him a little lower around an 83 or 82. Also i'd probably keep Lebron a 96 or maybe a 97
    GoDucks1224
    Seems to me it's largely a popularity contest, plenty of overreaction too. Thank you blessed 2K for allowing full roster editing.
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    I think it'd be pretty cool if they based their rating system around synergy and nba.com/stats. I think they use the eye test too much without looking at more advanced stats.
    Kmeb35
    I think it'd be pretty cool if they based their rating system around synergy and nba.com/stats. I think they use the eye test too much without looking at more advanced stats.

    Heavy emphasis on PPG too. Booker is an 85 overall because he scored 70 points in a blowout.
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    Dione2014
    Screenshots look good, but the rating don't. There's gotta be a better way. Set a solid base of what ratings mean in terms of percentage and frequency, Then match them up with real life stat data. Everything 2K needs is easily accessible via the internet. There's just gotta be a better way of rating than opinion. Rose is a 78 this year... Why?

    Just go through previous pages of this thread...
    Can somebody please explain to me why a lot of people crying about this players rating?? you should be concern about players accuracy graphics wise and gameplay.
    lilkoolaid
    Can somebody please explain to me why a lot of people crying about this players rating?? you should be concern about players accuracy graphics wise and gameplay.

    Yeah.. one, you can edit them to your liking. Two, they can be changed depending on player performance through out the season.
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    renome
    Yeah.. one, you can edit them to your liking. Two, they can be changed depending on player performance through out the season.
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    yeah man seriously devs updating this players base on their performance at least every month. so why people making a thread for every player ratings and not to be more concern on they graphics. like people should discuss there is something wrong on his appearance ..etc so anyone from 2k will notice it and maybe just maybe fix it before its launch.
    GoDucks1224
    Where did you get that info from? They were second last year. Fourth in 2015-2016. First in 14-15, but there were 4 teams within a point of each other that year. The Spurs have been first 2/3 years, and 3rd in 14-15. How can they possibly be one of the best defensive teams ever, when they haven't even been the best defensive team in the league? The Spurs were historically great two years ago. As I said, they're great defensively. They aren't 'best ever' great.
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    My fault, page didn't upload when I went from season to season, kept their def. rating but didn't switch the Warriors position. Had KD played 20 more games it's more than likely they take #1 this past year and even without that, as you said, the #1 Spurs and the #2 Warriors are .3 away from each other without their star player in the lineup, without even discussing PACE.
    Each his own, but if you look at how they easily could be 2/3 years best in the league defensively, and #1/#4/#2 respectively "not the best ever" and "one of the best ever" isn't a tremendous gap.
    I would venture to say that their offensive frenetic Pace... isn't conducive to playing elite NBA defense, the more you score/the quicker you score, the more possessions and points you potentially allow your opponent, giving you a worse Def Rtg and the illusion of having a worse defense than you actually have... this year the Warriors were 4th in Pace (Spurs 27th), last year the Warriors were 2nd (Spurs 25th), 14-15 season #1 defensively and #1 in Pace (Spurs 17th in Pace).
    So the argument being.. being able to get up the court and score at will (1st this year in Off Rtg, 1st year before in Off Rtg, and 2nd in 14-15)... you not only have of the fastest paces in the league, but you also have of the best and most effected offenses in the league, but you also have the commitment to getting back down the court and having of the best defenses in the league... that is the most impressive, and frightening. Spurs/Heat/Pacers/Cle of all the past years of them being top defenses are typically bottom of the barrel in Pace, eliminating the opportunity for other teams to get more possessions. The GSW literally do not care because not only will they give you all the possessions you could ask for, they'll defend all of those possessions as well.
    Warriors
    2016-17' / 2015-16' / 2014-15'
    Pace:4th / 2nd / 1st
    Off Rtg: 1st / 1st / 2nd
    Def Rtg: 2nd / 1st / 4th

    That's terrifying^^^
    And again, LeBron averages 33/12/9 against that. On 48% shooting and 35% from 3. That's incredible.
    GoDucks1224
    Where did you get that info from? They were second last year. Fourth in 2015-2016. First in 14-15, but there were 4 teams within a point of each other that year. The Spurs have been first 2/3 years, and 3rd in 14-15. How can they possibly be one of the best defensive teams ever, when they haven't even been the best defensive team in the league? The Spurs were historically great two years ago. As I said, they're great defensively. They aren't 'best ever' great.
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    The Bad Boys are ranked as one of the best defenses ever and they were never the number one defense in the league.
    DTHEGAWD
    The Bad Boys are ranked as one of the best defenses ever and they were never the number one defense in the league.

    Lol the go-to team for defense. "They/he would've never lasted in the Bad Boys era!".
    So when did the only team named the "Bad Boys" define a whole era of basketball?
    Bad Boys Lakers!?
    Nah they were finesse, Showtime. Remember the 130-140ish Finals game from Celtics/Lakers, but that was when they played REAL defense back then right? Lol I thought if a game was in the 130's there was no defense... but if it happens back then it was the Golden Age of basketball?
    Good Jesus smh.

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