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MLB The Show 21 March to October Improvements in New Teaser Trailer

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MLB The Show 21 March to October Improvements in New Teaser Trailer

San Diego Studio has released a new trailer detailing some more changes coming to MLB The Show 21, this time focusing on March to October. In this teaser, a major focus seems to be on the work to further streamline the mode.

MLB The Show 21 March To October Improvements

The biggest selling point in March to October for MLB The Show 21 seems like it will be more user control of the team as you push for a World Series run. Some changes detailed in the trailer include the ability to tinker with your team’s depth chart, your team’s farm system, as well as “massive” improvements to the player logic system. The “massive” improvements statement came with video of a trade screen.

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So, just to get the discussion started here, trade logic in MLB The Show has been pretty shoddy for quite some time now. It’s been a function that’s needed, well, “massive” work for several years. Using a word like massive to describe improvements in that regard is a pretty loud statement, so we’ll have to wait and see what exactly that looks like.

This specific teaser only concerns March to October, though franchise players should absolutely take this information and expect it to make its way into their mode as well. The franchise teaser from SDS should be coming in the next week or so, and that may help answer some questions.

The ability to tinker with your team’s depth chart will be a welcomed addition as CPU lineup logic has struggled for a few years as well. It remains to be seen whether you will be able to make any changes to your team’s batting order.

The video promised things such as constant intensity throughout the mode as well, though that can more than likely be chalked up as arbitrary window-dressing (and will be hard to quantify) until we get our hands on the game to experience the mode for ourselves. On top of that, the trailer overall felt a little more like it was appealing to MtO fans than it was franchise fans, which is obviously expected for this specific teaser.

To put it another way, while MtO and franchise mode have some of the same audience because of the way MtO and franchise can co-mingle, the focus was more on how MtO is being made more exciting rather than getting into nuts and bolts of franchise realism. This is the correct route to take for a teaser, but we’ll continue to hope we get some more long-term upgrades like lefty-right splits for pitchers and other ways to make franchise building feel unique when franchise mode gets its turn.

San Diego Studio also made it a point to emphasize your ability to impact the progression and development of prospects in the video, as well as earning call-ups for top prospects in your pursuit of the playoffs. In addition, a new screen showing off your depth chart for this season and future seasons gives us major OOTP vibes as you can gauge how your organizational depth will change year to year.

It seems as though players will be able to go play as top prospects at the minor league level with the chance of bolstering their attributes, as well as earning the right to promote that player. Seattle’s super-prospect outfielder Julio Rodriguez was used in the trailer, shown hitting a homer and then being promoted to the big leagues. That’s certainly a fun wrinkle, though from this chair, you’d hope top prospects have the chance to be called up independent from your ability to perform with them in short sample sizes. I’m sure that’s still the case, but it’s worth mentioning and tracking.

Besides the March to October emphasis here, the video also showcased some of the new user interface elements for MLB The Show 21 (at least on the PlayStation 4 build). It’s a much darker, blue nightclub neon theme — a bit reminiscent of the screens from MLB The Show 17. For me, it’s a welcome departure from the home plate backdrop that’s been used for the last couple years as keeping the visuals fresh does wonders.

There will be another new teaser coming from San Diego Studio on Thursday. We’ll have full coverage of each trailer until the game drops April 20. You can also keep track of the older teasers by checking out some of our previous coverage on Road to the Show, a stadium creator leak, and how to sign up for the beta.

Overall, what do you think of these March to October upgrades so far?

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  1. That segment showing the depth chart with multiple years and listing team salary is very intriguing.
    Looking forward to seeing what that is about :popcorn:
    Willis135
    Interesting that the depth charts part of the video shows multiple years. Hoping for multiple years instead of just one like last year.

    Doesn't March to October just dump you in Franchise mode when you are done?
    My guess is this is the same small "improvements" you get for Franchise mode too. Also looks more and more like they will eventually phase out Franchise and just have March to October, and you are stuck using their crappy rosters. Not impressed what so ever
    Not sure how much carries over to franchise, but looks like the roster management screen now has most info in one spot. Can see top prospects and rankings at positions as well as salaries for future seasons.
    I'm hoping there is more to "more roster control " than an updated menu system. The feature list says "empowers user to make better decisions for future of club." EDIT: The more I look at the screenshot I'm thinking it's exactly what it is. There is a new money icon that looks to represent a player who is a FA at the end of the season.
    Looks like if you play minor league games there is a way to fast track prospects.
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    orioles0615
    Doesn't March to October just dump you in Franchise mode when you are done?
    My guess is this is the same small "improvements" you get for Franchise mode too. Also looks more and more like they will eventually phase out Franchise and just have March to October, and you are stuck using their crappy rosters. Not impressed what so ever

    I don't know for sure what happens at the end of the first MTO season as I have always been a Franchise only player. After hearing that carryover saves was taken out, I put my Franchise on hold and started playing MTO to check it out and it's kind of fun so I'm looking forward to this years improvements.
    Have never played MTO so tried it out. Few questions.
    1. All games start 0-0?
    2. You have to use the default roster?
    3. You have to play every game?
    4. You cannot do trades?
    5. You cannot fast forward?
    Please Mr. Baseball God, let us be able to continue with a franchise mode as is. Was YTY saves taken out because we are being forced into this?
    KnightTemplar
    Have never played MTO so tried it out. Few questions.
    1. All games start 0-0?
    2. You have to use the default roster?
    3. You have to play every game?
    4. You cannot do trades?
    5. You cannot fast forward?
    Please Mr. Baseball God, let us be able to continue with a franchise mode as is. Was YTY saves taken out because we are being forced into this?

    To answer your questions:
    1. No, they put you in different situations as the season goes on. You'll have to comeback at times too, hold a lead etc.
    2. Yes, which is my #1 pet peeve
    3. You can simulate appearances
    4. You get certain trade situations. At a point, you'll set up your trade block with positions to target and they'll give you options of players to get
    5. In game, no, but you can simulate
    Personally, I felt that that this was the best mode in 20. Franchise is great, but this is the most fun I had playing the game. I love the intensity and the ability to continue it. It looks like you may be able to continue for multiple seasons, so i'd personally love that.
    I feel for the Bacon's Roster group, the full minors group (myself before this past year) etc. though. It seems that definitely could be phased out. I'd imagine we get some type of video later this week/next showing about franchise
    KnightTemplar
    Have never played MTO so tried it out. Few questions.
    1. All games start 0-0?
    2. You have to use the default roster?
    3. You have to play every game?
    4. You cannot do trades?
    5. You cannot fast forward?
    Please Mr. Baseball God, let us be able to continue with a franchise mode as is. Was YTY saves taken out because we are being forced into this?

    I don't think that Y2Y saves were taken out to force users into MTO. MTO replaced Season mode.
    After seeing this video, I'm starting to be of the opinion that Y2Y was scrapped this year due to logic within franchise mode/MTO mode being re-written and I'm guessing the old logic that was in '20 and prior, did not adapt well to the new logic.
    Again, that is only my opinion based on very little information.
    dbjets24
    To answer your questions:
    1. No, they put you in different situations as the season goes on. You'll have to comeback at times too, hold a lead etc.
    2. Yes, which is my #1 pet peeve
    3. You can simulate appearances
    4. You get certain trade situations. At a point, you'll set up your trade block with positions to target and they'll give you options of players to get
    5. In game, no, but you can simulate
    Personally, I felt that that this was the best mode in 20. Franchise is great, but this is the most fun I had playing the game. I love the intensity and the ability to continue it. It looks like you may be able to continue for multiple seasons, so i'd personally love that.
    I feel for the Bacon's Roster group, the full minors group (myself before this past year) etc. though. It seems that definitely could be phased out. I'd imagine we get some type of video later this week/next showing about franchise

    Thanks for your response. Nothing like arriving at the game in the 6th inning (sarcasm off). I’m just hoping this is a standalone mode, but I think I see what they are doing here. Guess we’ll just have to wait.
    No differences from last year
    Except maybe you will play a minor league game before calling up a prospect.
    It’s a fun mode, I just hope we can play with Quick Counts but if it’s tied to DD it’s unlikely
    I don’t think it will be multiple years it’s probably just a way to introduce casuals into franchise more easily.
    Im sure it’ll be tied to DD again which will limit our customization unfortunately
    countryboy
    I don't think that Y2Y saves were taken out to force users into MTO. MTO replaced Season mode.
    After seeing this video, I'm starting to be of the opinion that Y2Y was scrapped this year due to logic within franchise mode/MTO mode being re-written and I'm guessing the old logic that was in '20 and prior, did not adapt well to the new logic.
    Again, that is only my opinion based on very little information.

    my thoughts too
    So in theory since MTO video was today, Franchise video should be on Thursday right? Or am I wrong thinking that?
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    The Kid 24
    So in theory since MTO video was today, Franchise video should be on Thursday right? Or am I wrong thinking that?
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    I'm hoping we see it Thursday. :)
    Couple first impressions:
    The Depth Chart screen is intriguing....The ability to forecast your roster multiple years into the future is a pretty neat tool. I would assume this screen has to be added to Franchise as well.
    At first glance I also noticed that the SP depth chart had 6 slots....which got my hopes up a bit about 4-6 man rotations...however the bottom slot on many of these positions appear to be the top prospects/minor leaguers at those positions, so I don't want to jump to any conclusions
    "Massive improvements to player logic system" sounds very promising....however the "logic" they seemed to be promoting was a trade that I'm not sure is all that logical...but again I probably shouldn't jump to conclusions about where things stand in the postseason races and player development in that particular Sim.
    Julio Rodriguez appears to have a face scan....I believe he was a CAP last year...that's pretty encouraging that they were able to get at least a few more face scans before Spring Training was shut down last year. I'm sure there will still be a lot missing both this year and next year, but maybe since "Full Minors" rosters were officially added last year they were able to get more minor leaguers to get scans last spring
    Fingers crossed that Thursday we hear a bit about franchise!
    dbjets24
    To answer your questions:
    1. No, they put you in different situations as the season goes on. You'll have to comeback at times too, hold a lead etc.
    2. Yes, which is my #1 pet peeve
    3. You can simulate appearances
    4. You get certain trade situations. At a point, you'll set up your trade block with positions to target and they'll give you options of players to get
    5. In game, no, but you can simulate

    6. No injuries, which is #2 pet peeve ;-)
    Doesn't look like there is a closer position. Shows rp but not cp on the roster management tab.
    My guess is it just makes all roster related info accessible in one place. You can scroll years to see players that will be free agents, team salary, depth chart and positional rank. I'm wonder if it also extrapolates progression and regression.
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    RogerDodger
    I tried March to October last year but it did nothing for me. Endless simulated events just isn’t what I want from a sports videogame.

    yeah, I've given enough a go round myself to know I don't need M2O as long as franchise is a thing.
    but do I feel it's a good gateway drug to franchise, more for those who see franchise as complex. a good introduction to be indoctrinated and become more familiar with franchise. kinda like how retro mode was to get newer blood introduced to baseball in general. one of the things that I disliked was when M2O forces you into a game locked as 1 particular player.
    Caulfield

    but do I feel it's a good gateway drug to franchise, more for those who see franchise as complex. a good introduction to be indoctrinated and become more familiar with franchise. kinda like how retro mode was to get newer blood introduced to baseball in general.

    You really think MTO is there to introduce people to what franchise mode is? I look at is as somebody had an idea, “hey, let’s shorten the game and we’ll make these interesting scenarios”. Baseball has interesting scenarios all throughout a 9 inning game mixed in with blow outs, etc. Does MTO start you in the 6th inning down 10-1, or up 11-2? To me it’s just a waste of resources that could be spent on franchise mode.
    They already have an introduction to the game called rookie mode and practice mode.
    Potentially unpopular opinion incoming....
    MtO is not a franchise mode. It's not a "potential franchise mode replacement". It's an abbreviated season mode.
    Here's the thing; there is a TON of value in having that in the game. As a diehard franchise mode fan, I WANT this in the game. Why? Because it scratches a different itch for people unlike myself (and others in this forum).
    This is the kind of mode I would have loved when I was 7 years old...play the game, no repercussions for "going for broke", and just make a bunch of unrealistic moves for the sake of having fun. There's nothing "sim" or "realistic" about how the season plays out in this mode...and that, again, is fine...it's about having fun.
    I'd rather that SDS not try to make it more like franchise "lite". Let franchise be franchise, let MtO be that fun season mode that people can just cut loose with. I'd REALLY like to see SDS find that niche following for MtO and let franchise be for the more hardcore fans that want to play all 162 games without taking shortcuts.
    But for the love of God, please divorce this from DD rewards. I want to earn my DD rewards by playing with my DD squad, not this...
    KnightTemplar
    You really think MTO is there to introduce people to what franchise mode is? I look at is as somebody had an idea, “hey, let’s shorten the game and we’ll make these interesting scenarios”. Baseball has interesting scenarios all throughout a 9 inning game mixed in with blow outs, etc. Does MTO start you in the 6th inning down 10-1, or up 11-2? To me it’s just a waste of resources that could be spent on franchise mode.
    They already have an introduction to the game called rookie mode and practice mode.

    After you complete one season in MTO, you have the option of continuing on with your team in traditional franchise mode, so yes I would say that in a way, MTO is an introduction into franchise mode. If gives you an idea of what happens over the course of a 162 season, while fast tracking you through.
    For diehard franchise fans, its a "waste" of space, but for someone who feels at times overwhelmed by franchise, its an opportunity to get a taste while having your hand held the entire time.
    KnightTemplar
    You really think MTO is there to introduce people to what franchise mode is? I look at is as somebody had an idea, “hey, let’s shorten the game and we’ll make these interesting scenarios”. Baseball has interesting scenarios all throughout a 9 inning game mixed in with blow outs, etc. Does MTO start you in the 6th inning down 10-1, or up 11-2?

    I think for people who normally wouldn’t be franchise players (for whatever reasons) the idea of playing a quicker mode like MTO, playing through key moments, and seeing results (good or bad) might get them more invested in their team, sure. That makes perfect sense. Then if they get invested in that team, the option is there to then keep it going in a full franchise save.
    KnightTemplar
    To me it’s just a waste of resources that could be spent on franchise mode.

    What specifically hasn’t been improved in franchise because of March to October?
    SmashMan
    I think for people who normally wouldn’t be franchise players (for whatever reasons) the idea of playing a quicker mode like MTO, playing through key moments, and seeing results (good or bad) might get them more invested in their team, sure. That makes perfect sense. Then if they get invested in that team, the option is there to then keep it going in a full franchise save.
    What specifically hasn’t been improved in franchise because of March to October?

    Don’t understand how these scenarios get them invested, especially if they are losing. Didn’t say franchise hasn’t been umproved, but it needs improvements.
    SmashMan
    I think for people who normally wouldn’t be franchise players (for whatever reasons) the idea of playing a quicker mode like MTO, playing through key moments, and seeing results (good or bad) might get them more invested in their team, sure. That makes perfect sense. Then if they get invested in that team, the option is there to then keep it going in a full franchise save.
    What specifically hasn’t been improved in franchise because of March to October?

    Probably not what you're talking about but I believe the trade hub thing is only in MTO, not Franchise... Watch the depth chart thing only be in MTO but Idk those years at the top, maybe not.
    Very necessary fix to make prospects relevant in this mode, outside of trades.  Think of the impact that guys like Luis Robert and so many others made pretty quickly.  Glad to see those future faces of franchise get some love.
    The Kid 24
    Probably not what you're talking about but I believe the trade hub thing is only in MTO, not Franchise... Watch the depth chart thing only be in MTO but Idk those years at the top, maybe not.

    Yeah, this was disappointing. Hopefully they heard people and have any future changes like that in both MTO and full franchise.
    Honestly, the mode might be alright if they uncoupled it from DD so it wasn't default rosters and ridiculously janky sliders. (and the incredibly obvious comeback code stuff in the playoff games where you end up feeling like you have zero control over what is happening)
    Even then though, this mode is arcade, it's not any attempt at realism or longevity. It's all about winning the world series that one season, not about any kind of project. The worse a team you use, it's just like playing on a harder difficulty, you are still all or nothing for the world series just with less margin for error. It's all about winning the WS and getting some points for your DD team.
    I completed it with maybe 4 teams last year and honestly hated it most of the time, it's just not a fun experience in the way it plays, the things it wants you to do or the way it feels.
    For all the talk of it being good for franchise mode or a gateway (I'd be stunned if anyone completed a second season with the mess it leaves after a MTO season), it simply isn't. The resources that were supposed to go to franchise were instead spent building this. The resources that continue to be given to it are resources not given to franchise. The reality is that SDS care more about a mode they can link to DD than they do a mode they can't, so that's why this exists and why franchise continues to be neglected.

    ...For all the talk of it being good for franchise mode or a gateway (I'd be stunned if anyone completed a second season with the mess it leaves after a MTO season), it simply isn't...

    absolutely. if someone becomes interested in franchise after a season of M2O, I'd be the first to suggest starting over fresh with another franchise, in year one.
    KnightTemplar
    You really think MTO is there to introduce people to what franchise mode is? I look at is as somebody had an idea, “hey, let’s shorten the game and we’ll make these interesting scenarios”. Baseball has interesting scenarios all throughout a 9 inning game mixed in with blow outs, etc. Does MTO start you in the 6th inning down 10-1, or up 11-2? To me it’s just a waste of resources that could be spent on franchise mode.
    They already have an introduction to the game called rookie mode and practice mode.

    Sure to many of the people on this forum (myself included) those moments are interesting as far as how they affect final statistics and decisions on bullpen management (both in the current game and moving forward), but I don't blame anyone who doesn't find that interesting. Having been in the dugout and on the field for many of those games it's not hard to see why one may find those situations unappealing or boring.
    I think MTO is a great idea in theory. Playing 162 9-inning games is as true a "grind" as there is. Even among the many passionate Franchise fans on this forum there are only a few who make it all the way through a full season playing every pitch (and to be clear I am not one of them...yet :wink:). So streamlining the process a bit to get players who may not want or be able to commit that kind of time involved in a season mode is a good idea. Now actually creating a mode where making it through a full season is more achievable as well as keeping the player connected to what is happening throughout the year is much harder.
    I do think the goal of the mode was to be a bit of a "gateway into franchise" for some mostly online/DD players as well as a "gateway into DD" for the franchise/offline crowd. But like others have mentioned in the past, by trying to please both worlds it seems like they created a relatively bare bones experience that neither community really enjoys that much.
    I think there is still some promise in the mode. A few more options would definitely help. Being able to set how many/what kinds of situations you want to play would go along way. An option to use custom rosters has been a popular ask, but maybe that disqualifies/nerfs any DD rewards (I don't think many would be all that upset about this as online players essentially use the base roster in DD all the time, and offline players who like the mode probably don't care as much about the rewards). The addition of more in-depth roster management is definitely a step in the right direction. Both the DD and Franchise crowds enjoy the teambuilding aspects of those modes so allowing for more control over your roster is definitely a positive for anyone playing the game. Maybe with the addition of different play styles they can please both crowds too so playing against the CPU doesn't feel "bland" to those used to online play?? That may be wishful thinking...as others have pointed to how Madden has not really implemented the different styles very well.
    Anyways, I didn't intend to make a post this long about a mode that I haven't really played much of. I just think there is some potential with MTO that I would like to see untapped, and I think there is a way to make it more appealing to a lot of people in both the offline and online communities. Sure it won't be for everybody, but I think there is something here
    EDIT: I took a long time to write this post and there have been like 4 other posts that made similar points while I was typing this, so this all might look a little repetitive
    orioles0615
    Doesn't March to October just dump you in Franchise mode when you are done?
    My guess is this is the same small "improvements" you get for Franchise mode too. Also looks more and more like they will eventually phase out Franchise and just have March to October, and you are stuck using their crappy rosters. Not impressed what so ever

    Yeah that is a fear of mine as well... Then losing 30 team control as well.. (going along how EA killed madden) MLB 20 then would be my game to play for the next 10 years if this happens. thank god we can edit service time in that game. it can last that long lol
    tabarnes19
    Doesn't look like there is a closer position. Shows rp but not cp on the roster management tab.
    My guess is it just makes all roster related info accessible in one place. You can scroll years to see players that will be free agents, team salary, depth chart and positional rank. I'm wonder if it also extrapolates progression and regression.
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    This is something that needs to happen! the closer position I hate it because the CPU is obsessed with always using the closer in the 9th even if they are tanked. having everyone as a RP fixes this. and with teams using multiple closers this makes sense I hope that is in for franchise as well. it's a good move if this is the case I have wanted that for years.
    M2O would be much more interesting to me if you could use custom rosters and I you could customize and edit players and rosters.  I can’t imagine they would replace franchise mode with this especially with rbi baseball out there. They even created that retro mode to compete with rbi baseball.
    I am typically a franchise only player. With that Said for mlb 21 I'm planning on using the Tigers for a challenging rebuild. For this reason I think I will prob start the Tigers in MTO and then go into a full franchise. Best way to get through that first year in my opinion since the 2021 Tigers will be lucky to win 60 games.
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    Willis135
    I am typically a franchise only player. With that Said for mlb 21 I'm planning on using the Tigers for a challenging rebuild. For this reason I think I will prob start the Tigers in MTO and then go into a full franchise. Best way to get through that first year in my opinion since the 2021 Tigers will be lucky to win 60 games.
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    I did this with the Giants and managed to win the WS in 6 games, albeit on veteran difficulty. I avoided unrealistic trades/call-ups and kept the roster intact. I had a blast with it and carried it into franchise with the dilemma of trying to compete or looking to start a rebuild as some veteran contracts expired. Unfortunately, I deleted the franchise while cleaning up some unnecessary saves. :34:
    ninertravel
    This is something that needs to happen! the closer position I hate it because the CPU is obsessed with always using the closer in the 9th even if they are tanked. having everyone as a RP fixes this. and with teams using multiple closers this makes sense I hope that is in for franchise as well. it's a good move if this is the case I have wanted that for years.
    This is not true. Currently the cpu is too aggressive moving the closer out for someone else. I routinely see Chapman as middle relief. Here is screen shots from 2018 and Britton as closer getting moved out.
    Also there needs to be a complete rework of trade logic and salary if cp removed .
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    tabarnes19
    This is not true. Currently the cpu is too aggressive moving the closer out for someone else. I routinely see Chapman as middle relief. Here is screen shots from 2018 and Britton as closer getting moved out.
    Also there needs to be a complete rework of trade logic and salary if cp removed .
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    This is only if you let the CPU do your lineups. and set it to auto which all it does it choose the best overall ratings and doesn't use any logic to how the season is going.
    I don't do this. I am talking about gameplay wise. unless you actually change the lineup yourself the closer will stay in the 9th hole and the CPU will use that player in a 9th innings save situation EVERY SINGLE TIME even if they have pitched 5 days in a row and energy is red. the CPU has no idea how to manage the BP they never use the setup guys unless they have a 2 or 1 run lead in the 8th innings. the only way to fix it is to manually do it yourself is edit the pitcher from CL to RP and move them away from the 9th slot on the roster. then you gotta remember to reverse all that after the player is no longer tired.. not easy to do. the CPU is hopeless with the BP trust me I play every single pitch and every single game on the season schedule.
    I think having every pitcher as a RP will stop the CPU from always using the damm closer in the 9th, even if you have them set in the middle of your BP roster. then they will be forced to use the 9th slot.
    I know a way to solve this problem before the game when you pitch your starting pitchers. you get to also pick who you would want to setup as your closer and setup your BP and you can see on the screen who is tired and who is fresh and set it as priority. right now you can't see how tired any of your pitchers are until mid game in the actual BP.
    tree3five
    Is there suppose to be a franchise video/teaser today?

    I don't know today, but I'm thinking soon.
    On their facebook page yesterday, they were accepting questions in regards to franchise mode
    tree3five
    Is there suppose to be a franchise video/teaser today?
    There is supposed to be a video/teaser and most of us are assuming it will be about franchise based on the order they have gone so far.
    Also if it is not a franchise teaser prepare yourself for some really nice doomsday prophecies around here....
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    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster. SCEA needs to bring back season mode so we can alter seasons innings and length. I fear they won't because it forces people to play DD.
    douevenbench
    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster. SCEA needs to bring back season mode so we can alter seasons innings and length. I fear they won't because it forces people to play DD.

    Because we enjoy it? :nocomprende:
    douevenbench
    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster. SCEA needs to bring back season mode so we can alter seasons innings and length. I fear they won't because it forces people to play DD.

    People like to feel the ebb and flow of a season. I like to sim multiple years into the future then play a season so it feels fictional to me and keeps me engaged with stories around the league. I am starting year 3 of playing every game (2028 in game) in a franchise I started in 2019.
    We each play our own way. That's the benefit of games. We choose how we play.
    I respect that players want shortened seasons or play DD and don't pass judgement on them.
    We each pay our $60 and have the right to choose how we want to play a game. Any game.
    douevenbench
    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster. SCEA needs to bring back season mode so we can alter seasons innings and length. I fear they won't because it forces people to play DD.

    For the same reason other people spend 100+ hours completing other video games. It is a sense of accomplishment and the game is good enough to make it enjoyable through the 162 games. It is not for everyone and that is fine too.
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    douevenbench
    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster.

    How do you watch a movie? You watch it at normal speed from start to finish. You don't sit there, watch 10 seconds, fast forward for 5 mins, watch 10 seconds, fast forward for 5 mins, etc.
    Franchise...same thing. The story is woven into each and every pitch of the game. The more you fast forward through, the more of the story that gets lost. To me, simming through a bunch of it is a bigger waste of time.
    CBoller1331
    There is supposed to be a video/teaser and most of us are assuming it will be about franchise based on the order they have gone so far.
    Also if it is not a franchise teaser prepare yourself for some really nice doomsday prophecies around here....
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    Heck, if it's a day that ends in a "y" you can expect doomsday prophecies around here.
    douevenbench
    How do people play 162 games playing every pitch? Seems like a huge time waster. SCEA needs to bring back season mode so we can alter seasons innings and length. I fear they won't because it forces people to play DD.

    You literally just described video games. The thing is, it's never a waste if you enjoy it.
    What are they hiding! There's purposely no video to mislead us! They wasted the franchise budget helping the Padres sign Tatis Jr to a reported new $340 mil contract! They've probably removed franchise and replaced it with Madden's The Yard!
    jrnlgrn
    What are they hiding! There's purposely no video to mislead us! They wasted the franchise budget helping the Padres sign Tatis Jr to a reported new $340 mil contract! They've probably removed franchise and replaced it with Madden's The Yard!

    :spit::spit::spit::spit::spit::spit::spit::spit:
    Therebelyell626
    In all fairness it is only 1:30 PM here on the west coast. Maybe they’ll drop it like around 3:00 PST/6:00 EST.... I dunno

    All the videos so far, have been released early Tuesday/Thursday morning.
    Guess we should have assumed we werent getting Franchise video when they posted the below on Twitter yesterday...
    Curious about MLB The Show 21's updates to Franchise or March to October? Leave your questions in the comment section and you might get a shout-out from Coach and Ramone. #OwnTheShow
    Hope this isnt foreshadowing anything on Franchise news.
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    Armor and Sword
    Franchise mode has been cancelled.
    No Franchise mode for you!!!

    I’ve heard they indeed cancelled the Franchise Mode for a HR Slugfest mode. Easy to play, if you don’t hit at least 3 HR per inning, you loose.
    bryanm1982
    Maybe they told us what they changed to franchise mode.

    They changed it by removing it!! that's the changes to franchise mode.
    It's now 'connect careers' franchise mode is dead let's not call it that anymore (someone from EA once said in 2012 and they really did kill franchise mode since then)
    tabarnes19

    Also there needs to be a complete rework of trade logic and salary if cp removed

    But if they re-wrote that much roster logic it might nuke carryover saves... Oh wait.
    Qb
    But if they re-wrote that much roster logic it might nuke carryover saves... Oh wait.

    Serious question. They had 10 years to re-write logic.......and?
    Come on man.
    That is some long shot hope.
    We were told that carryover saves did not affect them adding in new features in the past. The carry over saves are essentially a database that have attributes and we were told that if new attributes were added they could just write in there.
    My guess is it's either something to do with
    1. Scheduling, carryover saves would crash on different schedule lengths.
    2. Expansion. I would assume that would have an impact.
    3. Most likely is code rewrite for parity with multiple systems.
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    tabarnes19
    We were told that carryover saves did not affect them adding in new features in the past. The carry over saves are spreadsheets that have attributes and we were told that if new attributes were added they could just write in there.
    My guess is it's either something to do with
    1. Scheduling, carryover saves would crash on different schedule lengths.
    2. Expansion. I would assume that would have an impact.
    3. Most likely is code rewrite for parity with multiple systems.
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    Right there.
    No one and I mean no one cares about MtO. Its just a waste of resources that could be spent on other things. No one wants to play a season in 13 hours. This is just a glorified permanent play the moments simulator. That you could just get out of playing regular franchise.
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    Godgers12
    No one and I mean no one cares about MtO. Its just a waste of resources that could be spent on other things. No one wants to play a season in 13 hours. This is just a glorified permanent play the moments simulator. That you could just get out of playing regular franchise.
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    And you would be wrong
    Still no video.......... I really thought we were getting a Franchise video or something yesterday.
    Let's just hope they actually talk about Franchise during the 4/1 livestream.
    The Kid 24
    Still no video.......... I really thought we were getting a Franchise video or something yesterday.
    Let's just hope they actually talk about Franchise during the 4/1 livestream.

    Yeah what happen to getting updates for both Tuesdays and Thursdays????
    Godgers12
    No one and I mean no one cares about MtO. Its just a waste of resources that could be spent on other things. No one wants to play a season in 13 hours. This is just a glorified permanent play the moments simulator. That you could just get out of playing regular franchise.
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    I never wanted to play it but one day I don’t know I was bored. So I gave it a try. I found it pretty fun getting through that first year quickly then it can roll into a regular franchise. So I wouldn’t say no one.
    Armor and Sword
    Serious question. They had 10 years to re-write logic.......and?
    Come on man.
    That is some long shot hope.
    Fair point. But I am an optimist until new evidence dictates otherwise, even if I should probably put more weight on past behavior. I hear it's the best indicator of future behavior...
    ninertravel
    This is something that needs to happen! the closer position I hate it because the CPU is obsessed with always using the closer in the 9th even if they are tanked. having everyone as a RP fixes this. and with teams using multiple closers this makes sense I hope that is in for franchise as well. it's a good move if this is the case I have wanted that for years.
    I just started a new franchise with updated rosters to play until 2021. Started after spring training and had to move Chapman back to closer, Green defaulted there. After couple weeks looked through league....
    The logic is now basically highest rated reliever is assigned closer. I think that logic needs work and I don't see how eliminating closer designation helps.
    https://twitter.com/tabarnes19/status/1363544855088164871?s=09
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    tabarnes19
    I just started a new franchise with updated rosters to play until 2021. Started after spring training and had to move Chapman back to closer, Green defaulted there. After couple weeks looked through league....
    The logic is now basically highest rated reliever is assigned closer. I think that logic needs work and I don't see how eliminating closer designation helps.
    https://twitter.com/tabarnes19/status/1363544855088164871?s=09
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    It's not the slots that matter though... if you went into a 3-2 game against the yankees in the 9th even if Chapman was in the LR slot the CPU would bring him into the 9th because he has the closer role.
    This is the problem right here. get rid of that role. it shouldn't be part of the game anyway. have a look at what teams are doing they are using closers by a committee. if we are going to have closer roles why don't we have setup guys as well??/ the CPU never use the setup guys unless they have a 1 or 2 run lead in the 8th they ALWAYS use the other middle guys. and ALWAYS use the guy with the most stamina in rating for any innings under 5 even if they are gassed... so if your starter sucks and goes out in the 1st innings BOOM the LR with no stamina left will come in the CPU has no BP Logic..
    How you fix that?? I dunno as far as the CPU goes. maybe have a option that we can manage the CPU BP ourselves. it's the reason a lot of games are ruined and I can make a comeback
    as for your spring training issues. your letting the CPU make all those changes they will screw up all your lineups and bp with some special overall formula. you gotta assign all that stuff yourself if you don't want that to happen.
    ninertravel
    It's not the slots that matter though... if you went into a 3-2 game against the yankees in the 9th even if Chapman was in the LR slot the CPU would bring him into the 9th because he has the closer role.

    This may happen, but it doesn’t happen all the time. I’ve seen plenty of occasions where the CPU has a player with designated closer role and they don’t use him in closer role, instead deferring to whomever is listed in closer role in PITCHING ROTATION screen.
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    countryboy
    This may happen, but it doesn’t happen all the time. I’ve seen plenty of occasions where the CPU has a player with designated closer role and they don’t use him in closer role, instead deferring to whomever is listed in closer role in PITCHING ROTATION screen.
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    Well it really depends on the situation of the game. the CPU will panic if a runner or 2 gets on base and go straight to that closer 9 times out of 10. even with a 4 run lead they do it. I think getting rid of that closer role will solve this problem and it will just stick to that slot. but then you probably get other problems as well. their needs to be better BP logic as not to use a guy that's stamina is less then 50% or something like that. so let's say Chapman pitched the last 2 days his stamnica is at about 40%. so it goes to the next slot and use a setup guy... problems solved.
    The Yankees have a rule of not using a guy more then 2 days. so something that that would be perfect to put in the A1 logic.
    Sim stats also show non closer relievers as save leaders. I believe there should be a dh designation as well.
    I think the rp and closer position need work. There are certain players whose sole role is closing. The Ray's may use a closer by committee but the Yankees and Dodgers don't and you can see in the video their closers were moved out of the role.
    I know I can move players after spring training. The point is that the logic for closer is not dictated by the position listed.
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    tabarnes19
    Sim stats also show non closer relievers as save leaders. I believe there should be a dh designation as well.
    I think the rp and closer position need work. There are certain players whose sole role is closing. The Ray's may use a closer by committee but the Yankees and Dodgers don't and you can see in the video their closers were moved out of the role.
    I know I can move players after spring training. The point is that the logic for closer is not dictated by the position listed.
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    This is where managers need to have an impact on the game outside of the "attribute effects" that they have and name only. Right now, every team has the same style of philosophy, which is disappointing.
    This is one of my top priority changes I'm hopeful to see in franchise mode in that not so distant future.
    tabarnes19
    Sim stats also show non closer relievers as save leaders. I believe there should be a dh designation as well.
    I think the rp and closer position need work. There are certain players whose sole role is closing. The Ray's may use a closer by committee but the Yankees and Dodgers don't and you can see in the video their closers were moved out of the role.
    I know I can move players after spring training. The point is that the logic for closer is not dictated by the position listed.
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    well I think the closer role is starting to become obsolete though yes the yankees and dodgers just use the 1 guy.
    but as for the yankees like I said their rule is if Chapman pitches 2 days straight they simply will not use him on the 3rd day. they have had that rule since Joe now with Boone, I really don't think we need a RP or CP. if so why don't we have a LR role and a MRP role? the LRP slot is the most annoying because the CPU will use that guy if the starter doesn't make it in 5 regardless of how tired they are.
    that one frustrates me to no end. to the point where I will move the controller across and make the change myself.. only issue is the 3 batter rule min now so I can't do it straight away haha! so if a team has 2 or 3 bad starters in a row they are gonna be rocked to death by then and not recover.
    Just something completely different here that I posted on the rosters forum
    that MLB there is no pitcher limit on the roster in mlb the show 20 you can only have 13 pitchers on the roster.
    you will find most NL teams will carry only 4 players on the bench with no DH and have 9 pitchers in the BP so they will carry 14 pitchers. so with the mlb the show game right now for 20 we can't have 9 men in the BP!
    the workaround is to have a 4 man rotation and just send your 4th and 5th starter down each time depending on the day they are on to the minors each day when bringing up a starter then you can keep your 9 men BP.
    so I wonder if mlb the show 21 will go with the 13 pitcher rule or unlimited M2O will be a issue with the roster updates with this being at SDS mercy with rosters
    ninertravel
    Just something completely different here that I posted on the rosters forum
    that MLB there is no pitcher limit on the roster in mlb the show 20 you can only have 13 pitchers on the roster.
    you will find most NL teams will carry only 4 players on the bench with no DH and have 9 pitchers in the BP so they will carry 14 pitchers. so with the mlb the show game right now for 20 we can't have 9 men in the BP!
    the workaround is to have a 4 man rotation and just send your 4th and 5th starter down each time depending on the day they are on to the minors each day when bringing up a starter then you can keep your 9 men BP.
    so I wonder if mlb the show 21 will go with the 13 pitcher rule or unlimited M2O will be a issue with the roster updates with this being at SDS mercy with rosters

    When the 2020 rule changes were announced prior to the season the corresponding shut down, the rule was that teams were capped at 13 pitchers on the active roster thru August 31st, and then 14 during September call ups.
    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28526167/mlb-rule-changes-2020-need-know
    Sorry ESPN only link I could find at the moment.
    Yeah I know, but they just announced the rules are in for 2021 as well so just wondering how MLB the show 21 will be with this and what rules they will have for it. hopefully they take the limit out but we will see.
    ninertravel
    Yeah I know, but they just announced the rules are in for 2021 as well so just wondering how MLB the show 21 will be with this and what rules they will have for it. hopefully they take the limit out but we will see.

    My mistake, the way I read it, I thought you were referring solely to the 2020 roster rules and how they were implemented in MLB '20
    As for '21, I would be surprised if there isn't some type of limit placed to ensure that AI teams don't get too out of whack.

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