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MLB The Show 20: Team Affinity Stage 2 on Friday, Mixed Reviews From Community So Far

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MLB The Show 20: Team Affinity Stage 2 on Friday, Mixed Reviews From Community So Far

It’s hard to argue against the Team Affinity concept being a big win this year, especially when comparing it to past versions in MLB The Show. The rewards are some of the best in the game, and it’s always easy to look at a new team and start focusing on grinding towards the Team Affinity reward players. With the introduction of real minor leaguers, it’s also opened up a new avenue for SDS in terms of creating more variety and content for Diamond Dynasty and the Team Affinity programs.

However, the negative of that new content is starting to come through for some folks who feel the mode is unbalancing things by creating minor leaguers who are much better than most MLB cards in the game. This “issue” will only be compounded on Friday when we get 30 new top prospect cards for Team Affinity Stage 2. In other words, we’re about to get a whole bunch of Future Stars Alec Bohm-like cards.

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Alec Bohm is a good prospect, and the idea of having “future stars” is not new in Diamond Dynasty. We’ve had these sorts of cards the past couple years, but they have not been as prevalent or come out as soon as they have this year. It’s leading to some backlash because some don’t like seeing a diamond Miguel Cabrera — a card based on his triple crown year — being “worse” than a Future Stars Alec Bohm card. I understand the concern here, but I think the main argument is not so much against these cards but rather the timing of them.

In the past, Future Stars was a fun thing done towards the end of the real baseball season when we already had tons of insane cards. Most of the cards that were released still were not even that amazing or meta, so they really were more just a nod to fans of certain teams. But this season, these minor leaguers are and will be meta. We’ll be seeing tons of them, and it makes some feel like Diamond Dynasty is getting away from its core. The argument is that in things like Madden Ultimate Team and NBA 2K MyTeam, the absurdity of everyone having a galaxy opal or 99 speed cheapens the mode because it’s such a fantasy land that nothing from the real world matters.

Diamond Dynasty eventually does get to that point where every team is full of 99 overall players, but it’s usually players who can be justified having those ratings based on a particular season or career. With these Future Stars — or rather the sheer abundance of them — it’s hard to make the same justifications when multiple minor league players on many teams are already rocking diamonds. When Team Affinity Stage 2 hits this will be even more true.

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The other component of this has to do with repetition. There are hundreds of prospects in the game, and if we’re already going the fantasy route saying all these top prospects are going to hit their absolute ceiling, why have duplicates already? Getting multiple versions of Alec Bohm seems counter-productive when we don’t have a career arc for him. We don’t have any basis for what he could look like at each stage of his career. So in other words, we’re just getting two high-outcome versions for the same card. It feels unnecessary.

Instead, if we’re already going the fantasy route for minor leaguers with upside, maybe it would have been more interesting to look at the “prospect” version of Dominic Brown, or Bryce Harper or any number of highly-touted prospects from yesteryear. You could use ones who “busted” or made it, because the point is to just look at them through the prospect lens at the time of their ascent.

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Lastly, timing comes back up here simply when considering the order that things are coming out. Would it have made more sense to make these Team Affinity Stage 2 minor leaguers the Stage 1 rewards? Perhaps. If we had been chasing minor leaguers who are lower-end diamonds in Stage 1 before chasing guys like Gallo, Buxton, Olson, Soto and so on in Stage 2 would it be going over more smoothly? I think so. Since we’ve already had multiple “Prospect” sets and duplicates of some of these players, it lessens the excitement to now get more prospects.

I’m not here to say I’m disappointed in Team Affinity Stage 2 or that I think Diamond Dynasty has lost its way on the realism front or something. In my book, the whole concept of “realism” was thrown out the window as soon as we allowed 5-foot-4 created players to run around with 99 speed and power in lineups. The idea that the sanctity of the mode is somehow being upended by these prospect releases does not really hold up to scrutiny. However, the timing of the releases is certainly up for debate, and I think this will be a learning year of sorts for SDS in terms of how to better tie in minor leaguers to the mode for next season.

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  1. Big fan of the "flashback prospects" idea you mentioned, that would have been cool. (cries at the thought of a 5 tool 95 overall Tim Beckham Rays card)
    You stealing my idea that I posted the other day but the busted prospects? I think I called them the "what could have been" guys. Super catchy huh?
    Some stupidly overrated low diamond Jeff Francouer would be fun. Some Mike Olt would probably just be a right handed Joey Gallo. Gimme some Todd Van Poppel and some Lastings Milledge. They could have fun with cards like that but not make them crazy overrated.
    mikeq672
    You stealing my idea that I posted the other day but the busted prospects? I think I called them the "what could have been" guys. Super catchy huh?
    Some stupidly overrated low diamond Jeff Francouer would be fun. Some Mike Olt would probably just be a right handed Joey Gallo. Gimme some Todd Van Poppel and some Lastings Milledge. They could have fun with cards like that but not make them crazy overrated.

    Haha I missed that but I approve, and will give you full credit for the idea still.
    I wonder if it's easier or harder to get guys like Lastings or dudes just out of the league. The Beckhams and Dom Browns came to mind first simply because they're still on the roster, but yeah I think the "missed" guys could have fit in nicely with other highly touted yesteryear players.
    I more thought of it at first for eras of teams like that Hosmer/Alex Gordon crew coming on with the Royals etc.
    ChaseB
    Haha I missed that but I approve, and will give you full credit for the idea still.
    I wonder if it's easier or harder to get guys like Lastings or dudes just out of the league. The Beckhams and Dom Browns came to mind first simply because they're still on the roster, but yeah I think the "missed" guys could have fit in nicely with other highly touted yesteryear players.
    I more thought of it at first for eras of teams like that Hosmer/Alex Gordon crew coming on with the Royals etc.

    I was just messing with you man, no need for any credit, Im sure a ton of us have had similar thoughts.
    I was trying to figure that out too. My first thought would be that it would be easier/cheaper to get guys like that, but I guess some might not like what they are representing and not wanna do it. Probably varies person by person I guess.
    Yeah I was thinking it might be a touchy subject on some level for SDS to do it. Like they'd have to frame it a certain way where it's not making light of "busts" by putting out a 92 overall Lastings Milledge etc.
    Just call it Future Stars of Past or something and sell it to them as showcasing them since they were elite prospects. No need to go into "bust" territory you can actually keep it positive and have it fit the theme
    Coxatron
    Just call it Future Stars of Past or something and sell it to them as showcasing them since they were elite prospects. No need to go into "bust" territory you can actually keep it positive and have it fit the theme

    Sounds like an xmen movie. But yeah something simple like that works, other thing I had was prospects of yesteryear or something dumb like that. Just anything that frames them in a positive light.
    While I am not a fan of the cards I don't think you can say that they flooded the market as they will be "No Sell" and only the hardcore players and those really good at showdowns do a lot of them. I only have gotten one Face Of The Franchise so far.
    For what it is worth 4 out of my 8 starting position players are live series cards.
    True that the TA stuff won't be sellable and won't flood the market. But the Bohm and Madrigal cards are on the market and instead of giving us legends or better flashback cards, they dropped "new" versions of cards that are already in the game and feature kids that haven't even played in MLB yet. Add in the fake stats making these cards comparable to MIKE TROUT and it just looks bad all around.
    The reaction could be even worse, too. Depending on how they handle the Stage 2 missions and stuff this could be rejected even more. If it's exactly the same, people will be upset they have to grind the same **** all over. If they take away exchanges or if the newer Showdowns feel harder because they messed with sliders (which they progressively did last year) then it's REALLY going to tank.
    Having 99 max overalls with certain attributes going up to 125 is the problem, I think. They lowered the threshold for diamonds and then started crowding most of the rewards in the high diamond tier. There's a couple options imo.
    1. Stop handicapping active players' ratings in in DD. Let them have their normal overall on their card.
    2. Allow for overalls over 99. Change and add new tier(s) so it makes sense. Something like 60-69 bronze, 70-79 silver, 80-89 gold, 90-99 diamond, 100+ red diamond.
    So far the cards that they have revealed do not appear to have the attributes that line up with their overall ratings.
    What is problematic is the number of SP they are injecting with sinkers as their primary. We already know its a huge issue when combined with the new pitch speeds why choose to exacerbate the issue.
    Dogslax41
    So far the cards that they have revealed do not appear to have the attributes that line up with their overall ratings.
    What is problematic is the number of SP they are injecting with sinkers as their primary. We already know its a huge issue when combined with the new pitch speeds why choose to exacerbate the issue.

    How are sinkers a problem? They’re not that hard to hit.
    And I’ll take these prospects over recycled throwbacks. It’s fun to see new players. And I don’t see anything wrong with doing “projected” versions of prospects along with current versions. It’s fun to play with the top prospect from your team as if he’s fully lived up to his potential.
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    Coxatron
    . Depending on how they handle the Stage 2 missions and stuff this could be rejected even more. If it's exactly the same, people will be upset they have to grind the same **** all over. If they take away exchanges or if the newer Showdowns feel harder because they messed with sliders (which they progressively did last year) then it's REALLY going to tank.

    This is exactly what I'm waiting to see before I make a call as to whether or not I'll continue even playing the mode this year. I fully expect another set of Showdowns and Moments. I don't love them; but they aren't going anywhere.
    But I have zero interest in playing MtO when I play a ton of franchise already, I have zero interest in accruing the ridiculous number of innings needed and the exchanges are way too costly overall.
    Add that to the "future star" fiasco (I mean, who doesn't want to play with a souped-up version of a guy who is projected as a number 5 starter and was exposed to the Rule 5 draft?)
    Mercury112491
    How are sinkers a problem? They’re not that hard to hit.
    And I’ll take these prospects over recycled throwbacks. It’s fun to see new players. And I don’t see anything wrong with doing “projected” versions of prospects along with current versions. It’s fun to play with the top prospect from your team as if he’s fully lived up to his potential.
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    On legend high sinkers are a major problem in the game. They come out of the hand with the change up motion and with new pitch speeds it's more of an exploit rather than a strategy.
    I mean stage 2 missions etc. Its going to be certain amount of hits, RBI’s, xbh’s etc. Or innings pitched, strikeouts, etc. for plus 5. Some online, some offline. Then collections for plus 5 or 10. March to October points same as stage 1 just depends on the level.
    It’s not like they are going to re invent the wheel with stage 2. Hope they do, but doubt it.
    I have 5 of the 7 MTO teams I have done already back to the week before the all star break just waiting to get points and finish the season again. Watch the joke be on me and MTO not even be in stage 2. Lol
    Fiddy
    I mean stage 2 missions etc. Its going to be certain amount of hits, RBI’s, xbh’s etc. Or innings pitched, strikeouts, etc. for plus 5. Some online, some offline. Then collections for plus 5 or 10. March to October points same as stage 1 just depends on the level.
    It’s not like they are going to re invent the wheel with stage 2. Hope they do, but doubt it.
    I have 5 of the 7 MTO teams I have done already back to the week before the all star break just waiting to get points and finish the season again. Watch the joke be on me and MTO not even be in stage 2. Lol

    That's what I am wondering, if they have read all the people prepping MTOs and are going to squash it. Would honestly be nice if there were stat missions with the base prospect cards for big points. That way it would play into the prospects actually playing and earning their new ratings. Regardless I will be completing a MTO for the Dodgers up to the all star break today just in case to prep for that Graderol card because that is a must have.
    If the MTO’s are not part of stage 2, then shame on SDS. lol. But at least I’ve earned a lot of XP. For as much as I have played I’m kind of annoyed I’m only at Gold Level 81. Sigh.
    Fiddy
    If the MTO’s are not part of stage 2, then shame on SDS. lol. But at least I’ve earned a lot of XP. For as much as I have played I’m kind of annoyed I’m only at Gold Level 81. Sigh.

    I'm just thankful I got good at showdowns early. That alone has carried me to diamond 71.
    Dogslax41
    I'm just thankful I got good at showdowns early. That alone has carried me to diamond 71.

    I tried two yesterday and failed. I even skipped ahead to try and just beat the final boss etc the second time, fail. lol
    I don’t understand it. I’m on Legend and Legend Plus hitting wise on Dynamic and have patience vs the CPU (online that’s a different story for some reason) but I can’t for the life of me win these showdowns. I just don’t get it and it’s ok is what it is.
    I started a Twins MTO on Dynamic and I’m already the week before all star game. I’ll finish this off later this evening or by 3pm tomorrow and have my 8th FOTF player. I enjoy this mode, let’s me get to know players and use different teams I never would.
    But to be decent at showdowns would save me time that’s for sure. LOL
    Fiddy
    I tried two yesterday and failed. I even skipped ahead to try and just beat the final boss etc the second time, fail. lol
    I don’t understand it. I’m on Legend and Legend Plus hitting wise on Dynamic and have patience vs the CPU (online that’s a different story for some reason) but I can’t for the life of me win these showdowns. I just don’t get it and it’s ok is what it is.
    I started a Twins MTO on Dynamic and I’m already the week before all star game. I’ll finish this off later this evening or by 3pm tomorrow and have my 8th FOTF player. I enjoy this mode, let’s me get to know players and use different teams I never would.
    But to be decent at showdowns would save me time that’s for sure. LOL

    Yeah I never skip ahead. Playing all the way through gives you 10k xp. Now i will potentially skip multi inning moments just to save time especially if its only one run. Is usually hit the boss only needing to score 3/4 runs tops. Now the AL E is a nightmare for me because sale has my number this year.
    Dogslax41
    Yeah I never skip ahead. Playing all the way through gives you 10k xp. Now i will potentially skip multi inning moments just to save time especially if its only one run. Is usually hit the boss only needing to score 3/4 runs tops. Now the AL E is a nightmare for me because sale has my number this year.

    I tried doing that in the AL Central and Kopech made me look like a fool.......like a fool!
    doubledeuceR6
    I tried doing that in the AL Central and Kopech made me look like a fool.......like a fool!

    One you get his timing you are good. Just sit on that fastball and mash it because it's so straight.
    Dogslax41
    On legend high sinkers are a major problem in the game. They come out of the hand with the change up motion and with new pitch speeds it's more of an exploit rather than a strategy.

    They really need to address sinkers, at least 80% of the people I play try to cheese high sinkers. The easiest thing for them to do is if the sinker is aimed from the letters or higher, just make it look the same as a 2 seam fastball.
    DanH35
    They really need to address sinkers, at least 80% of the people I play try to cheese high sinkers. The easiest thing for them to do is if the sinker is aimed from the letters or higher, just make it look the same as a 2 seam fastball.

    Yep. As long as they get rid of the little bump coming out of the hand it's no longer an issue. I can react to it moving left/right vs down. But not thinking its a changeup and then speed warping on me. Sinkers above the belt should be crushed.

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