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MLB The Show 20 Livestream - March to October (Archive Included)

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MLB The Show 20 Livestream - March to October (Archive Included)

Sony San Diego Studio hosted another MLB The Show 20 livestream earlier today, featuring March to October.

We will post our recap shortly. Until then, check out the archived stream below, if you missed it and let us know your thoughts!

Watch MLB The Show 20 Livestream from SonySanDiegoStudio on www.twitch.tv

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  1. Other than some nice new replay angles and audio commentary for MiLB players, I thought the presentation portion of the stream was really disappointing
    tabarnes19
    Is the trade hub in franchise as well?
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    I tried asking and got no response. They didn't mention it being in Franchise either.
    ShowTyme15
    I tried asking and got no response. They didn't mention it being in Franchise either.
    Really a wasted feature if its not.
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    tabarnes19
    Really a wasted feature if its not.
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    I was going to say under-utilised, but ''wasted'' works just as well
    tabarnes19
    Is the trade hub in franchise as well?
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    You would think with being able to transition your MTO into franchise the following season it would keep the same trade hub.
    Wouldn’t it?
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    Lol the laundry list of presentation adds.. he covered every single mode and guess which one was left out? Franchise!
    Moving to OOTP for my franchise fix was the best decision I’ve ever made. Still love The Show but really going to just focus on March to October and Custom Leagues for gameplay.
    Jeffrey Smith
    You would think with being able to transition your MTO into franchise the following season it would keep the same trade hub.
    Wouldn’t it?
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    Hopefully Mills or one of the other guys that went to SD can clarify. Usually the NDA is released once the info has been released and the community is allowed to discuss.
    I assume no injuries as well?
    Mills just stated on his stream doesn't believe the hub is in franchise. Major disappointment.
    This mode without injuries and total roster control is not for me.
    Fact that Franchise got 0 again is sooooooo disappointing.
    tabarnes19
    Mills just stated on his stream doesn't believe the hub is in franchise. Major disappointment.
    This mode without injuries and total roster control is not for me.
    Fact that Franchise got 0 again is sooooooo disappointing.

    Well that sucks. It is a major disappointment.
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    tabarnes19
    Mills just stated on his stream doesn't believe the hub is in franchise. Major disappointment.
    This mode without injuries and total roster control is not for me.
    Fact that Franchise got 0 again is sooooooo disappointing.

    BuT it GoT ReLoCAtIoN!!! :rolleyes:
    And people think things will change on the PS5
    tabarnes19
    Mills just stated on his stream doesn't believe the hub is in franchise. Major disappointment.
    This mode without injuries and total roster control is not for me.
    Fact that Franchise got 0 again is sooooooo disappointing.

    Not shocked one bit. Inexcusable at this point to turn their backs on us franchise guys.
    Love the new score bug with the dynamic pop ups... great addition. Also the new screen wipes being much faster is an added bonus. Hoping we get to quickly dismiss Heidi this year.
    tabarnes19
    Is the trade hub in franchise as well?
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    I didn't watch the entire video so I can't say for sure but my guess is no. With my self imposed trade restrictions trades are already difficult so if they leave franchise the same I'm okay with it.
    The Kid 24
    How the hell would that not be in Franchise?
    After moving MTO into Franchise, then that hub screen is just gone.
    WTF!
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    I'm not arguing just asking - what would be the benefit of that in franchise?
    Franchise exists for people who want to replicate MLB IRL. If I correctly understood what they were saying you are restricted to 4 trades a season and you have a protected list.
    I have a few ideas which would make trades more realistic such as:
    Some players IRL have a no trade contract. That dynamic could be added. If you want that big star he might insist on a no trade contract.
    The 5 and 10 rule.
    It seems like the CPU doesn't look at durability when making trades. I never trade a player with less than 50 durability because I don't want to rip off the CPU. That could be changed so the CPU considers durability in trades.
    tessl
    I'm not arguing just asking - what would be the benefit of that in franchise?
    Franchise exists for people who want to replicate MLB IRL. If I correctly understood what they were saying you are restricted to 4 trades a season and you have a protected list.
    I have a few ideas which would make trades more realistic such as:
    Some players IRL have a no trade contract. That dynamic could be added. If you want that big star he might insist on a no trade contract.
    The 5 and 10 rule.
    It seems like the CPU doesn't look at durability when making trades. I never trade a player with less than 50 durability because I don't want to rip off the CPU. That could be changed so the CPU considers durability in trades.

    It's exact implementation for MTO wouldn't necessarily make sense for Franchise, but take away the various restrictions of MTO and it begins to make a lot of sense for franchise. Instead of of selecting one of your players for trade and getting 1 to 3 random players from each team where the only consideration is balancing the skill value of the package going each way, you could actually select the type of players that you want to see in a potential trade. Set a target of Nolan Arenado at the beginning of the season and as things progress maybe a package of your players begins to form that would make sense for the CPU to take over.
    Last year we were stuck with opening day rosters and they did an update a month in i think and that was it.
    Did they say you can use updated rosters this year in MTO or again you're stuck w/ opening day rosters?
    Presentation wise, I'm hoping that there's an option to have replays, starting lineups, defensive alignment etc show by default instead of having to opt-in every single time.
    All these ideas for other modes meanwhile old Gil from the Simpsons is sitting at a small desk in the closet working on franchise.
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m play the hell out of franchise but I was holding out hope for some features to bleed into franchise but nope.
    I’m just a little disappointed.
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    Cycloniac
    Presentation wise, I'm hoping that there's an option to have replays, starting lineups, defensive alignment etc show by default instead of having to opt-in every single time.

    i liked how high heat did it where u could pick the replays you could watch like only home runs, or homeruns and K's, etc...
    Cycloniac
    Presentation wise, I'm hoping that there's an option to have replays, starting lineups, defensive alignment etc show by default instead of having to opt-in every single time.

    I think the opt in is only prompted depending on you presentation style, like fast play for example. I could be wrong though, I'll have to go back and watch that part of the stream again.
    green94
    Love the new score bug with the dynamic pop ups... great addition. Also the new screen wipes being much faster is an added bonus. Hoping we get to quickly dismiss Heidi this year.

    How dare.
    hyacinth1
    Last year we were stuck with opening day rosters and they did an update a month in i think and that was it.
    Did they say you can use updated rosters this year in MTO or again you're stuck w/ opening day rosters?

    They did not mention anything on that one way or the other.
    MtO got some needed upgrades (the big one being how they determine when you enter a game...very good use of leverage index) but the more I reflect on it, it's just not a mode for someone like me. I can't even stand quick counts, let alone allowing a simulation engine do stuff....then that wonky momentum thing....I'm just an every pitch kind of guy. I'm sure I will tinker with it a little...it just doesn't DO anything for me.
    The trade screen. If it's in franchise....meh. If it's not....meh. I don't really need the game to hand-hold me when I am working trades....doing deep dives into rosters and the Player Search function is FAR more immersive for me.
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    Presentation....
    I hated the location of the new scorebug in the Beta. That said, I'm sure I'll adjust to it. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the faster transitions; I prefer a slower pace but I think I'll be fine with it.
    Happy to see Heidi back and with some new stuff....hopefully they've expanded her role in more day-to-day stuff.
    Probably the coolest thing was the presentation for different eras. I NEED those overlays as options for presentation within franchise games....imagine playing a retro roster with them. If they aren't in the game, I'm going to be chirping about it anywhere I can....
    I think in one of the previous streams they said the new trade hub is also in Franchise and in Custom Leagues that is why they didnt show the trade screen during these streams because they wanted the reveal in the MTO stream. Wouldnt make sense either not to have it in franchise.
    Pretty disappointed that the 3 presentation themes were scaled down to 2. Even if they ran out of time and resources because of the new UI (which was speculated in the breakdown), then why not just keep the three from last year. I would have been quite satisfied with that as they were all 3 quite good last year. Really give games a different feel.
    Overall I think the writing is on the wall for this series. I was holding out hope that some things from MTO would bleed over into franchise but it looks more and more evident that won’t happen. You combine that with them scaling back on presentation features, and making things like replays optional just shows the direction we all know where this series is going. They want to focus on the DD and E-sports crowd.
    Overall still pretty excited about the full minors being in, but as a Franchise only player I could see my excitement for the game dwindling in the near future:
    Cycloniac
    Presentation wise, I'm hoping that there's an option to have replays, starting lineups, defensive alignment etc show by default instead of having to opt-in every single time.

    Agreed 100%. I will not be thrilled if this is something that is force fed down our throats
    I just can't get into March to October. I've tried it, but it just does not appeal to me. I mainly play franchise. If I get tired of my franchise, I will usually play RTTS.
    I wish they would focus more on stats and team issues such as injuries and trades in the commentary.
    I do like the new scorebug.
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    one thing I noticed and I don't know if anyone picked up on it was secondary position under pitchers, of cause of Thor it said 'none' this means they might have 2 way players done right. and holds hope that we could have REAL utility players I don't remember secondary position ever really shown off before under a headline or am i wrong?
    Dee Gordon had SS LF CF RF in the past it was just listed as OF. there is hope we could finally have this! or it might be just a MTO thing that is locked
    I think the pop stat info things are going to be great. Mlb 2k had this back in the day and it was a great way of quickly incorporating dynamic info without bogging the game down.
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    Still waiting on four key wants for M2O...
    -Ability to edit your preset lineups and rotation (I know substitutions will have happened when I'm jumping into a game in the late innings but it sucks being stuck with the default lineups and rotations)
    -Ability to select uniforms before entering a situation (a little thing but would be great for presentation)
    -Ability to edit player equipment
    -Ability to play with updated rosters (it's awful to have to use an early season roster when the team I want to use has made a key trade in real life later into the season. If my team made a big trade in reality I want to be able to use that updated version of my team in M2O. This limitation kills the mode once the summer arrives)
    ...I like the concept of M2O and it suits me and my current playing style (aka less time to actually play) but in an effort to speed things up it skips over many customizable features that are in other modes. I understand not forcing those things on players so that they can advance quicker through the mode but the options for the above things should be available for those who would still enjoy a little more customization in this mode. It's supposed to be a fast play mode but it's still a season mode at its core as it leads directly into franchise so losing a lot of the above customization things is very frustrating.
    The thought that "oh the player doesn't care about updated rosters or equipment or controlling lineups because they wanna go through the season even faster!" is really silly and not true for everyone. I want a faster season but I don't want less control over everything in it.
    FunGaming44
    I think in one of the previous streams they said the new trade hub is also in Franchise and in Custom Leagues that is why they didnt show the trade screen during these streams because they wanted the reveal in the MTO stream. Wouldnt make sense either not to have it in franchise.
    It was the custom league stream. They didn't want to show because of the MTO stream.
    Mills mentioned he didn't think it was in franchise and he was recently at the studios so I do not have an expectation that it is in franchise.
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    As I ask for the option to select uniforms before entering a situation in M2O I realize that the reason this isn't possible is because once a situation comes up the game has already simulated the majority of the game and thus the uniforms were probably already selected by the simulation so a change right before entering the situation is not easy to do.
    Therefore I offer a suggestion...
    What about if M2O allowed us the option (it wouldn't be mandatory for those who want to skip it and head to the first situation) to preselect our uniforms at the beginning of the mode based on the game that we are entering going by of its home or road, day or night, and the day of the week?
    This would let the simulation know which uniform combos we want or don't want before any simulation actually occurs. We would be telling the game to "use this uniform on this day."
    So if it's a Friday night road game I want to wear this uniform cap jersey and pants. If it's a Tuesday day home game, this uniform, etc etc.
    Why is this even an idea? Maybe I'm a Cubs fan and I really love those blue jerseys and wanna wear it every home game, now I can do that. Maybe I'm a team with multiple uniform options and I wanna make sure every uniform gets a turn in my rotation. Maybe I wanna use a specific throwback uniform and create a scheduled throwback day once a week for my team. Maybe I'm using the nationals but I wanna use them as the Expos and thus wanna set it to only use the Expos throwbacks while never using the Nationals uniforms. Maybe I have an alternate cap that isn't in the regular uniforms and I wanna make sure I wear it more. Maybe I really love that Marlins blue BP jersey and wanna put it to regular season use. Maybe something quirky like I love my Yankee pinstripes and I even wanna wear them every road game too.
    I think many people would enjoy this and by setting this up right before the M2O season starts it wouldn't take up time before each game situation.
    I am going on record as super disappointed about losing a presentation theme. Having 3 was really immersive for those of us who went even deeper using SOTS (Sounds of the Show)
    What a shame. I simply hate when great presentation elements that help make my franchise mode more immersive are removed.
    Welp....we will adjust. We will have to now choose if we want regional broadcast between inning music vs ball park PA music. I will have to mix it up and figure that out.
    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.
    FunGaming44
    I think in one of the previous streams they said the new trade hub is also in Franchise and in Custom Leagues that is why they didnt show the trade screen during these streams because they wanted the reveal in the MTO stream. Wouldnt make sense either not to have it in franchise.

    No...they said in that stream that it was also in MtO...
    They never mentioned franchise.
    Armor and Sword
    I am going on record as super disappointed about losing a presentation theme. Having 3 was really immersive for those of us who went even deeper using SOTS (Sounds of the Show)
    What a shame. I simply hate when great presentation elements that help make my franchise mode more immersive are removed.
    Welp....we will adjust. We will have to now choose if we want regional broadcast between inning music vs ball park PA music. I will have to mix it up and figure that out.
    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.

    Yeah....that does suck. I didn't use SOTS, but I used all 3 themes regularly to change things up.
    For your SOTS conundrum....you could use regional TV music for road games and ballpark PA music for home games (which would likely be blacked-out for local TV anyways :D ). I'm being half-serious and half-facetious here....but I think it would work...you "go" to the home games and watch the road games on the tube....it kinda makes sense (at least in my head).
    Armor and Sword
    I am going on record as super disappointed about losing a presentation theme. Having 3 was really immersive for those of us who went even deeper using SOTS (Sounds of the Show)
    What a shame. I simply hate when great presentation elements that help make my franchise mode more immersive are removed.
    Welp....we will adjust. We will have to now choose if we want regional broadcast between inning music vs ball park PA music. I will have to mix it up and figure that out.
    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.

    Oh my God. I just realized that cutting a theme out does affect SOTS customizability.
    I didn't even think of that initially, but like you, I use all 3 to maximize slots.
    Ugh, spillover effects.
    Armor and Sword
    I am going on record as super disappointed about losing a presentation theme. Having 3 was really immersive for those of us who went even deeper using SOTS (Sounds of the Show)
    What a shame. I simply hate when great presentation elements that help make my franchise mode more immersive are removed.
    Welp....we will adjust. We will have to now choose if we want regional broadcast between inning music vs ball park PA music. I will have to mix it up and figure that out.
    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.
    Yeah I'm pissed that freaking sucks. Having the 3 different theme just makes playing 162 games look a little different and flow so good.
    I'm also not sure how I feel about the new replay system. If I didn't want yo wacth a replay on the past I would just skip it but I dont want to always have to press L2 to see a replay. I hope this doesnt effect broadcast mode.
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    VincesVictims
    Yeah I'm pissed that freaking sucks. Having the 3 different theme just makes playing 162 games look a little different and flow so good.
    I'm also not sure how I feel about the new replay system. If I didn't want yo wacth a replay on the past I would just skip it but I dont want to always have to press L2 to see a replay. I hope this doesnt effect broadcast mode.
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    I think I like that option. A play happens and I think hmmm I want to see that again. I like that. Rather than being forced to watch a replay and have to decide to skip it.
    jcar0725
    I think I like that option. A play happens and I think hmmm I want to see that again. I like that. Rather than being forced to watch a replay and have to decide to skip it.

    Me too, I love the switchup where it’s in your own hands. It doesn’t really bother me we have one less scorebug to choose from but I can understand people are disappointed. I love the new popup info and I’ll just have to wait and see if I can get used to the new location.
    I am a broadcast mode player for a reason. So why not have the replay option on hybrid and fast presentation mode and leave us old geezers alone with the last bastion of true broadcast presentation.
    Oh well I will adapt. I always do. But slightly annoying to say the least.
    Attention spans for the younger generation are on life support apparently.
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    Armor and Sword
    I am a broadcast mode player for a reason. So why not have the replay option on hybrid and fast presentation mode and leave us old geezers alone with the last bastion of true broadcast presentation.
    Oh well I will adapt. I always do. But slightly annoying to say the least.
    Attention spans for the younger generation are on life support apparently.
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    I thought they said this L2 option was for the hybrid option. I’ll have to rewatch the stream tonight.
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    ChaseB
    How dare.
    They did not mention anything on that one way or the other.

    :lol: I’m ok listening to her, i just don’t need to see her. Get me back into my game and let her talk over it.
    Armor and Sword
    I am a broadcast mode player for a reason. So why not have the replay option on hybrid and fast presentation mode and leave us old geezers alone with the last bastion of true broadcast presentation.
    Oh well I will adapt. I always do. But slightly annoying to say the least.
    Attention spans for the younger generation are on life support apparently.
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    I'm 50 :-)
    Played MTO until trade deadline last year and then lost interest without having roster moves.
    My question is does the cpu make moves to make their team better? Call ups and trades?
    If so how do you see that? If they don't the mode really doesn't appeal to me in anyway. Really difficult to get immersed in a mode where there is no movement.
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    KSUowls
    It's exact implementation for MTO wouldn't necessarily make sense for Franchise, but take away the various restrictions of MTO and it begins to make a lot of sense for franchise. Instead of of selecting one of your players for trade and getting 1 to 3 random players from each team where the only consideration is balancing the skill value of the package going each way, you could actually select the type of players that you want to see in a potential trade. Set a target of Nolan Arenado at the beginning of the season and as things progress maybe a package of your players begins to form that would make sense for the CPU to take over.

    Sounds to me like a way to rip off the CPU. I impose strict limitations on myself in trades because it is already too easy to rip off the computer. The problem is they implement these changes and there is no option to turn them off. Quirks is an example.
    Keep the gimmicks in these other modes and out of franchise.
    tessl
    Sounds to me like a way to rip off the CPU. I impose strict limitations on myself in trades because it is already too easy to rip off the computer. The problem is they implement these changes and there is no option to turn them off. Quirks is an example.
    Keep the gimmicks in these other modes and out of franchise.
    The logic would impact the return not the hub. The hub is a way to target players on the block. Some elements are already there. Then cpu offers will be based off "wishlist."
    You can search for trades using trade finder.
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    Armor and Sword

    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.

    It sounded more like a creative decision rather than having something to do with the console. My guess is we’ll never see three themes return again which is incredibly disappointing since it gave some variety throughout the season.
    Love the new relay system...SCEA doing some great things! Would be awesome to have the old school broadcast packages that are in moments an option for MTO and franchise.
    tessl
    Sounds to me like a way to rip off the CPU. I impose strict limitations on myself in trades because it is already too easy to rip off the computer. The problem is they implement these changes and there is no option to turn them off. Quirks is an example.
    Keep the gimmicks in these other modes and out of franchise.
    Like tabarnes said, this is just a trade finder, it doesnt address the persistent issues of the trade engine itself which I think is what you're referring to.
    It isnt gimmicky at all.
    "Hey Theo Epstein. I'm interested in trading for Kris Bryant. Let me know if there is any package that would interest you."
    "Hey every other GM in baseball. I'm looking to make a late season push and I need an upgrade at RF and I'm willing to trade away some of my prospects. Willing to listen to all offers".
    It would be nice to have a more logical trade engine but it wouldnt hurt to get this more immersive trade system.
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    tabarnes19
    The logic would impact the return not the hub. The hub is a way to target players on the block. Some elements are already there. Then cpu offers will be based off "wishlist."
    You can search for trades using trade finder.
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    I like the current system with strict self imposed restrictions. The player search function combined with the trading block and team needs equate to a good system.
    I don't see how the system they described improves on that and if they removed the player search function it would be significantly worse. I suspect from their comments it is only in March to October and not franchise.
    jcar0725
    I think I like that option. A play happens and I think hmmm I want to see that again. I like that. Rather than being forced to watch a replay and have to decide to skip it.

    I do and I don't like it, when the optional is optional I probably in the end to save time won't be inclined to hit it. at least before it would auto come up and if I felt like watching it I would, and just hit x to skip if I am tired and want to rush
    Armor and Sword
    I am going on record as super disappointed about losing a presentation theme. Having 3 was really immersive for those of us who went even deeper using SOTS (Sounds of the Show)
    What a shame. I simply hate when great presentation elements that help make my franchise mode more immersive are removed.
    Welp....we will adjust. We will have to now choose if we want regional broadcast between inning music vs ball park PA music. I will have to mix it up and figure that out.
    Should not have to though. Man......that really disappoints me. Is this what I should expect on PS5? Or should I expect that option to return when they move consoles.

    That's a great point, it isn't just a theme that's gone but it leaves a big hole for those of us who value the Sounds of the Show feature.
    SilverBullet1929
    As I ask for the option to select uniforms before entering a situation in M2O I realize that the reason this isn't possible is because once a situation comes up the game has already simulated the majority of the game and thus the uniforms were probably already selected by the simulation so a change right before entering the situation is not easy to do.
    Therefore I offer a suggestion...
    What about if M2O allowed us the option (it wouldn't be mandatory for those who want to skip it and head to the first situation) to preselect our uniforms at the beginning of the mode based on the game that we are entering going by of its home or road, day or night, and the day of the week?
    This would let the simulation know which uniform combos we want or don't want before any simulation actually occurs. We would be telling the game to "use this uniform on this day."
    So if it's a Friday night road game I want to wear this uniform cap jersey and pants. If it's a Tuesday day home game, this uniform, etc etc.
    Why is this even an idea? Maybe I'm a Cubs fan and I really love those blue jerseys and wanna wear it every home game, now I can do that. Maybe I'm a team with multiple uniform options and I wanna make sure every uniform gets a turn in my rotation. Maybe I wanna use a specific throwback uniform and create a scheduled throwback day once a week for my team. Maybe I'm using the nationals but I wanna use them as the Expos and thus wanna set it to only use the Expos throwbacks while never using the Nationals uniforms. Maybe I have an alternate cap that isn't in the regular uniforms and I wanna make sure I wear it more. Maybe I really love that Marlins blue BP jersey and wanna put it to regular season use. Maybe something quirky like I love my Yankee pinstripes and I even wanna wear them every road game too.
    I think many people would enjoy this and by setting this up right before the M2O season starts it wouldn't take up time before each game situation.

    I really like this idea, just to add an extra bit of customisation and authenticity to the mode for those who want it.
    With regards to your first paragraph, the uniforms probably wouldn’t be selected as part of the simulation because they don’t have any impact on the simulation. It would only be factored in when the user becomes involved.
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    Armor and Sword
    I must have missed that. If so....great!!

    I think I was wrong. I re watched the presentation portion of the stream and they mentioned opt ins for broadcast and fast play. Seems like it may be across the board.
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    Jeffrey Smith
    I think I was wrong. I re watched the presentation portion of the stream and they mentioned opt ins for broadcast and fast play. Seems like it may be across the board.
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    I hate this idea at all, the idea of broadcast mode is actually what it's suppose to be 'broadcast mode' when we watch it on tv we don't hit a button on the remote to start a replay we watch what we are given on air.
    it seems like they are obsessed with speeding this game up every single year Quick counts simulation quick moments now, MOT this. they seem to want us to all have a arcade feel, I really don't like this direction at all. When they could be on using different animations for a change. how many times do we have to see the pitcher coming to the plate with his hat sweating? new animations would make it fresh for once,
    Where in tbe stream did they say they cut the 2 themes from previous years ? From how I understood it there was a new one added onto the already existing themes so wouldnt that make it 4 in total now ? Unless i completely missed the part where they said they cut the themes but if so please tell me at what point in time of the stream did they say this ? Because that would be a big disappointment
    nemesis04
    Glad to see you can pick your starting point with dynamic difficulty. It took 5 years but it’s finally in.

    I'm not convinced it'll be there for the menu option dynamic difficulty - what they showed as far as choosing a difficulty starting point seemed to be in the MtO setup.
    Not jumping to conclusions on that and getting disappointed if it's the same as last year in the actual gameplay options.
    Disappointed in losing a presentation theme, especially for SotS, but I really like the new score bug they created. It’s great looking and filled with information that should be a part of every broadcast. So I can understand the decision, to that extent.
    Hoping we can use custom start levels for dynamic difficulty in all offline game modes, as well.
    Really great that they reduced the transitions and cleaned up the wipes. Those were brutal and probably a good reason why a lot of players pounded X through replays in the past.
    The L2 for replays is a good idea, in theory. Will have to spend some time with it to see how practical it is. Wish there was an option to use that or have it just load a replay like normal.
    RogerDodger
    Wait, so replays no longer show automatically by themselves?

    Unclear from the stream. They mentioned it also being there as an option when not in Fast Play, but I'm not sure if they said all replays had to be manually triggered or not.
    And if I press L2 is it a broadcast replay or the replay/clip recording system?

    Broadcast style
    I agree 100%.
    Armor and Sword
    I am a broadcast mode player for a reason. So why not have the replay option on hybrid and fast presentation mode and leave us old geezers alone with the last bastion of true broadcast presentation.
    Oh well I will adapt. I always do. But slightly annoying to say the least.
    Attention spans for the younger generation are on life support apparently.
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    They did mention online play, fast play and hybrid, but I don't think Kirby St. John said anything about broadcast mode.
    Armor and Sword
    I must have missed that. If so....great!!

    Edit: yep kirby said it will be in some other modes and said broadcast.
    I think however if your in broadcast I think it will play like in the past if u dont hit anything, L2 or X. He did say something about being in broadcast mode u will get prompts about starting lineups, defensive alignment those type of things.
    My guess by what kirby was saying if I understand it correctly is us broadcast guys you can just let it play out u don't half to hit L2 or X.
    L2 - Keys you into a replay of what just happened.
    X - Will allow you to skip thru anything.
    * Don't OPT in and it should show everything like before, but could be quicker transitions or not touching anything I think if your in broadcast mode and MLB network theme you should be able to see everything like before.
    Maybe the NEW scorebug is not full broadcast and OPTS you in to choosing to see certain stuff, but again maybe even in the new scorebug if u dont touch anything u get to see everything.
    baseballguy99
    Was anything said about bringing back the option to turn off the hr camera ?

    No. Not at all. If anything there is even more homerun camera in the game.
    douevenbench
    Love the new relay system...SCEA doing some great things! Would be awesome to have the old school broadcast packages that are in moments an option for MTO and franchise.

    How does the new relay system work? I guess I missed that.
    bcruise
    I'm not convinced it'll be there for the menu option dynamic difficulty - what they showed as far as choosing a difficulty starting point seemed to be in the MtO setup.
    Not jumping to conclusions on that and getting disappointed if it's the same as last year in the actual gameplay options.

    If it is just buried in this mode only that is a major fail. Ever since they came out with this I remember going back and forth with them about how unnecessary it was to reinvent the wheel with this and start from scratch every year.
    Armor and Sword
    I am a broadcast mode player for a reason. So why not have the replay option on hybrid and fast presentation mode and leave us old geezers alone with the last bastion of true broadcast presentation.
    Attention spans for the younger generation are on life support apparently.

    I can speak from experience as someone who regularly plays with a group of teens, younger players love watching back sick highlights, slowing them down, etc. As did I, when I was a younger player. Not all of them are in a rush, any more than all older players are in a rush.
    The decision making here is just clueless. Its not a generational preference thing, I hope we can kill that narrative. It's like when they talk about how younger players dont care about franchise mode, then they are on YouTube losing their mind when they play old sports games at the amount of depth. They "dont care" about it because they've never played a game where it was made a priority.
    bigwill33
    Disappointed in losing a presentation theme, especially for SotS, but I really like the new score bug they created. It’s great looking and filled with information that should be a part of every broadcast. So I can understand the decision, to that extent.
    Hoping we can use custom start levels for dynamic difficulty in all offline game modes, as well.
    Really great that they reduced the transitions and cleaned up the wipes. Those were brutal and probably a good reason why a lot of players pounded X through replays in the past.
    The L2 for replays is a good idea, in theory. Will have to spend some time with it to see how practical it is. Wish there was an option to use that or have it just load a replay like normal.

    Edit - I found a video which shows the new theme. I like it. It's essentially theme 1 with more colorful graphics and in the lower right instead of the upper left.
    FunGaming44
    Where in tbe stream did they say they cut the 2 themes from previous years ? From how I understood it there was a new one added onto the already existing themes so wouldnt that make it 4 in total now ? Unless i completely missed the part where they said they cut the themes but if so please tell me at what point in time of the stream did they say this ? Because that would be a big disappointment

    Around 40 minutes into the stream.
    Culture Rot
    I can speak from experience as someone who regularly plays with a group of teens, younger players love watching back sick highlights, slowing them down, etc. As did I, when I was a younger player. Not all of them are in a rush, any more than all older players are in a rush.
    The decision making here is just clueless. Its not a generational preference thing, I hope we can kill that narrative. It's like when they talk about how younger players dont care about franchise mode, then they are on YouTube losing their mind when they play old sports games at the amount of depth. They "dont care" about it because they've never played a game where it was made a priority.

    I an speak from experience as I coach high school baseball.
    95% of the the players I have been coaching.....play DD not franchise mode. Most young teens who play sports games are not interested in franchise mode. And I was also making a general statement as today attention spans are no doubt far shorter than when I was growing up.
    And you know.....a big reason for that is the sheer amount of choices people have today in terms of what to do.
    When I was growing up.....3 channels on TV. One MLB game of the week. It was simply a totally different time.
    MNF is when we got game highlights from Sunday.
    Just totally different.
    Anyway. My son....raising him as old school as I can. And he is into a lot of things most kids his age aren’t. But he is also in the You-Tube/tick tock generation. Devices have taken over for TV’s and even console video gaming. Kids are addicted to their phones.
    Anyway getting off topic here and I do not want to derail the thread. But whomever your hanging with teen wise.....it is a minority. Trust me.
    The narrative is real.
    I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.
    Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.
    KSUowls
    I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.
    Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

    I don’t expect it personally.
    I have come to grips with it. I did a few iterations ago. Card modes and more streamlined “career” modes and also be a player modes are the preference based on the telemetrics the game companies see.
    I use what the game has and have a blast. I just have lowered my expectations for “franchise” modes in sports games today. It is reality. The whole “don’t keep supporting” argument is nonsense. The game developers are going to focus on what sells the game and also generates the most revenue. It is easy to see that.
    Before online play all you had was offline franchise. Online play changed everything for the solo offline sports gamer. Once online became a thing....it started this long trend of focusing on online play and then eventually ultimate team modes.
    And that is ok. I get it.
    But it dissapointed me one of broadcast themes was removed. I took great joy in MLB 19 having three distinct themes for me to use SOTS to the fullest. It really is a major thing for me personally as that is how I get the most out of franchise mode. TO me presentation is as big a part of franchise mode as....deeper stats, better scouting etc.
    Because I spend 95% of my time actually playing the actual game vs hanging out in menus.
    So it was a huge letdown seeing they removed a really important presentation feature.
    However....I am looking forward to the game big time. I can’t wait to see all the new drop downs and stat wipes this time out. I will figure out a good way to implement SOTS (JoshC1977 had a great suggestion for me).
    KSUowls
    I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.
    Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

    The good news is high school kids grow up and their tastes and preference evolve as they age. There will always be a demand for franchise mode.
    Armor and Sword
    It is reality. The whole “don’t keep supporting” argument is nonsense. The game developers are going to focus on what sells the game and also generates the most revenue. It is easy to see that.

    Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.
    That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.
    I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.
    Armor and Sword
    I an speak from experience as I coach high school baseball.
    95% of the the players I have been coaching.....play DD not franchise mode. Most young teens who play sports games are not interested in franchise mode. And I was also making a general statement as today attention spans are no doubt far shorter than when I was growing up.
    And you know.....a big reason for that is the sheer amount of choices people have today in terms of what to do.
    When I was growing up.....3 channels on TV. One MLB game of the week. It was simply a totally different time.
    MNF is when we got game highlights from Sunday.
    Just totally different.
    Anyway. My son....raising him as old school as I can. And he is into a lot of things most kids his age aren’t. But he is also in the You-Tube/tick tock generation. Devices have taken over for TV’s and even console video gaming. Kids are addicted to their phones.
    Anyway getting off topic here and I do not want to derail the thread. But whomever your hanging with teen wise.....it is a minority. Trust me.
    The narrative is real.

    As a high school teacher/coach myself I can agree with this sentiment.
    First off, most ballplayers these days barely know MLB players or know some of the basics of the MLB game. It was quite shocking when I started 2 years ago.
    So many people are about individual players now than teams, and I see that with every sport. Some of it may have been driven by the Sport Card games.
    All I know is any under 18 show player I have talked to (And they are rare in this generation) is playing DD. That's all they do, in fact when me and my few students who have played the Show talked about it the 1st time, they were shocked I didnt play DD much. All they wanted to know was what diamonds I pulled.
    Its crazy, it is because most people around my age were always franchise guys, but weirdly enough I am noticing people my age even turn to DD/MUT more and more as they have less time to commit to a franchise.
    We are shrinking gentleman. The franchise boat is sinking, it's been sinking. It's time to admit we have an unplugged hole that we can not fill. We can go down with the ship with honor. Haha :)
    KSUowls
    Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.
    That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.
    I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.

    In all honesty, as you have rightly pointed out, a boycott would never happen. Secondly, revenue does drive it.
    Think of the amount of money they get from stubs. Just imagine it.
    If I only play franchise, play 1000 games. I paid $60
    Other guy plays only DD, plays 1 game, buys 10k stubs to get his team going.
    He paid $70. That guy could never pick up the game again, and he would still be a more valuable customer to SDS.
    Now imagine the guys that buy the $120 version, the hundreds to thousands of dollars worth in stubs.
    They are more valuable as a customer. Plain and simple.
    SDS could probably lose half the sales from MLB 10 the show, and still make more profit because of DD. It's taken over, and I have firmly fallen into the camp of that isnt going to change. We are the minority here at OS.
    We are shrinking gentleman. The franchise boat is sinking, it's been sinking. It's time to admit we have an unplugged hole that we can not fill. We can go down with the ship with honor. Haha
    I have a 15 year collection of MLB the Show, my Titanic is unsinkable. when the Zombie Apocalypse goes down, I'll be tucked safely in my basement room with a bowl of Cheerios and a spoon and another Show to take my pain away*.
    * apologies to the Stones.
    KSUowls
    Well, you're half right. You said revenue drives development paths which is true. Ironically though franchise players a part of that yearly revenue. If enough of those franchise players decided that they finally couldn't support lack of development attention then it would force the studio to re-think their strategy.
    That being said. I'm not suggesting to, nor do I have the expectation that the entire franchise player base will suddenly quit buying the game. It is kind of silly though to suggest that a general boycott won't work 2 seconds before admitting that revenue drives decisions. Also, maybe I read too much into it, but you also kind of indirectly implied that people should support a product that does not satisfy them, or at least not bother criticizing it.
    I realize the above is perhaps arguing semantics, but imo the fatalistic attitude, that many of us have been driven to think that we have to accept, probably doesn't help in getting the changes that we want.

    I have simply lowered my expectations about franchise mode being further refined and developed.
    I have not lowered them on gameplay and presentation and that is why some creative decisions for 20, I am simply disagreeing with.
    I am not one who speaks, sees nor hears no evil when it comes to The Show.
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    eric7064
    In all honesty, as you have rightly pointed out, a boycott would never happen. Secondly, revenue does drive it.
    Think of the amount of money they get from stubs. Just imagine it.
    If I only play franchise, play 1000 games. I paid $60
    Other guy plays only DD, plays 1 game, buys 10k stubs to get his team going.
    He paid $70. That guy could never pick up the game again, and he would still be a more valuable customer to SDS.
    Now imagine the guys that buy the $120 version, the hundreds to thousands of dollars worth in stubs.
    They are more valuable as a customer. Plain and simple.
    SDS could probably lose half the sales from MLB 10 the show, and still make more profit because of DD. It's taken over, and I have firmly fallen into the camp of that isnt going to change. We are the minority here at OS.

    Oh you're absolutely correct. Businesses want to maximize profits though, and part of that is appealing to as many different customers as possible.
    Essentially right now they get to keep all of those $60 one time purchases from MLB the Show 10 while enjoying the additional profits from continuous revenue streams that things like DD offer. A business would not like it if they suddenly lost those legacy customers though. The things that bring in the most revenue will always get the most attention, but maybe it would be nice if they thought that they had to at least do something to retain those legacy customers.
    Although rare, there are instances where enough gamers have been outraged by various studio decisions that it forced that studio to alter their focus. Because even with all of the sales that they would get with their original plan it would not be enough to offset all of the lost sales that the plan would generate. Though, I don't think that is ever going to happen with this series. Especially now that they are moving to multi-platform. A guy can dream though.
    Armor and Sword
    I have simply lowered my expectations about franchise mode being further refined and developed.
    I have not lowered them on gameplay and presentation and that is why some creative decisions for 20, I am simply disagreeing with.
    I am not one who speaks, sees nor hears no evil when it comes to The Show.
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    Yeah I get that. I almost convinced myself to cave this year and get this year's game with it's official implementation of the rosters we already had every year, and what I thought was going to be some enhancements to the trade system. It's unfortunate that we've had to reset our expectations so low, but it is what it is.
    KSUowls
    I have no doubt that part of it is a generational gap, but I also have to wonder how much of it is a complete abandonment of things like Franchise modes. A senior in high school has likely never played Madden 05 with its deepest franchise mode of the series. That same senior hasn't seen a meaningful update to MLB the Show since they were in middle school.
    Whatever the generational gap may be, if I as a life long baseball fan who bought at least 1 baseball game every year since the late 90's (until 2017) have stopped buying the game due to lack of franchise attention, then how can I expect the "instant gratification" generation to care about the things you can enjoy in a franchise mode.

    I was cleaning out my garage and found a floppy disc copy of micro league baseball in the box. That's how long I've been playing computer baseball games.
    This is by far the best franchise mode baseball game when you factor in graphics. There is room for improvement and they sometimes follow bad advice in the changes they make but I buy it to support the developers and keep the game in existence.
    I’m also in the minority being a 50 year old offline franchise player only, with classic rosters.
    Also have very low expectations of sds improving franchise mode.
    This year i will hold out a bit before buying ‘20 as i did not see a lot of new things that appeal to me.
    I still really like ‘19 and am just not sure if the new animations are enough for me to buy the new game.
    Yeah I am pretty much in the same boat.
    I am leaning towards picking up '20 because of the rule changes, new stadium in Texas.
    The new gameplay additions or mechanics/upgrades whatever you want to call them are nice but I am not convinced they are $60 nice.
    Then there is a part of me that looks at the new rules, mechanics and what not and its actually turning me off. There is a really big part of me that is about ready to let go for a bit and just let this game go. I LOVE '19 and have actually barely touched the surface as I struggled with settling in this year. Nothing to do with the game. I have had recurring depression and anxiety issues that have just been causing problems. I have literally started 15 to 20 franchises and keep deleting them and restarting. Honestly Im still having a hard time staying with anything as life has pretty much gone south.
    So I may just wait it out. See what you all think. Watch some gameplay vids and look out for a price drop/wait for the 20 or so patches etc. Maybe this will still be a yearly pick up. Just maybe not a day one $60 pickup.
    I’m catching up on streams, and man, I miss the days when these streams had actual gameplay in them, and equipment/stadium detail reveals. Now it’s just a bunch of streams talking about card packs it seems. It feels like we’ve seen less gameplay this year than recent years past.
    bronxbombers21325
    I’m catching up on streams, and man, I miss the days when these streams had actual gameplay in them, and equipment/stadium detail reveals. Now it’s just a bunch of streams talking about card packs it seems. It feels like we’ve seen less gameplay this year than recent years past.

    Amen!
    I kept scrolling through the vid hoping for some gameplay.
    I'm not into the whole card collecting stuff so it was quite underwhelming.
    At least the developer tournament is coming up which gives us a lot of gameplay.
    Really hope they don't use DD teams, but just the regular mlb teams.
    elfdutch
    Amen!
    I kept scrolling through the vid hoping for some gameplay.
    I'm not into the whole card collecting stuff so it was quite underwhelming.
    At least the developer tournament is coming up which gives us a lot of gameplay.
    Really hope they don't use DD teams, but just the regular mlb teams.

    I heard them say that the dev tournament was going to be using Battle Royal so no regular teams.
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    Jeffrey Smith
    I heard them say that the dev tournament was going to be using Battle Royal so no regular teams.
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    Thanks for the heads up.
    I think it sucks, but am not surprised as this probably pleases the masses.
    elfdutch
    Thanks for the heads up.
    I think it sucks, but am not surprised as this probably pleases the masses.

    They always use BR for the tourney....
    But...I AM surprised they aren't showing off this new Custom League for the tourney...it would be suited for something like this.
    bronxbombers21325
    I’m catching up on streams, and man, I miss the days when these streams had actual gameplay in them, and equipment/stadium detail reveals. Now it’s just a bunch of streams talking about card packs it seems. It feels like we’ve seen less gameplay this year than recent years past.

    There's been plenty of gameplay revealed throughout social media by sony partners through the new Legend reveals plus the MtO vid released.
    It's not hard to find....
    JoshC1977
    There's been plenty of gameplay revealed throughout social media by sony partners through the new Legend reveals plus the MtO vid released.
    It's not hard to find....

    I believe the gameplay that was shown from the social media Sony partners were earlier builds. I think a couple of them actually mentioned they were earlier builds.
    elfdutch
    Amen!
    I kept scrolling through the vid hoping for some gameplay.
    I'm not into the whole card collecting stuff so it was quite underwhelming.
    At least the developer tournament is coming up which gives us a lot of gameplay.
    Really hope they don't use DD teams, but just the regular mlb teams.

    I was thinking about the dev tourney too. Those used to be so great because we could see different teams and new uniforms and all of those things. Now it’s just DD teams that I don’t care about. I guess it’s just the nature of the game now. When I was a kid I never understood why my dad was always so pissed off all the time about things changing. But now, at 37, I totally get it. Lol
    bronxbombers21325
    I was thinking about the dev tourney too. Those used to be so great because we could see different teams and new uniforms and all of those things. Now it’s just DD teams that I don’t care about. I guess it’s just the nature of the game now. When I was a kid I never understood why my dad was always so pissed off all the time about things changing. But now, at 37, I totally get it. Lol

    I know man I loved when they used to show us the stadiums and details of it. now its just fantasy team crap and DD mode stuff.
    ohh well guess it doesn't spoil it come release date to see it for ourselves
    douevenbench
    Need to have the ability to play MTO for multiple seasons...I would take this easily over the bare bones franchise mode.
    Needs to have full roster moves and injuries to be viable. As is it is just another form of DD.
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    tabarnes19
    Needs to have full roster moves and injuries to be viable. As is it is just another form of DD.
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    It’s not even DD....it’s just tied to it, just like franchise and RTTS.
    Nice try though...
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    JoshC1977
    It’s not even DD....it’s just tied to it, just like franchise and RTTS.
    Nice try though...
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    Team affinity, limited rosters adjustment, no customization and needing to be online for rewards sounds like franchise?
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    tabarnes19
    Team affinity, limited rosters adjustment, no customization and needing to be online for rewards sounds like franchise?

    No, of course not, and I'd never suggest that it did.
    But it isn't DD either....you don't use your DD team or cards....and if a mode doesn't, it has no business being considered a "DD mode" IMO.
    The fact that they are tying Team Affinity isn't fundamentally different than earning XP and stubs from playing games in other modes...it's just pronounced a bit more.

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