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MLB The Show 20 Livestream - Custom Leagues (Archive Included)

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MLB The Show 20 Livestream - Custom Leagues (Archive Included)

Sony San Diego Studio hosted another MLB The Show 20 livestream earlier today, featuring Custom Leagues.

We will post our recap shortly. Until then, check out the archived stream below, if you missed it and let us know your thoughts!

Watch MLB The Show 20 Livestream from SonySanDiegoStudio on www.twitch.tv

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  1. No mention of CPU teams yet on the dev stream. I’d probably only want to play with 1 or 2 friends and fill the rest with the real CPU teams. Wish we had an option to invite a friend or two to the existing franchise mode. That’s all I really want.
    It appears that this is a user-only mode (aside from the commish/anyone with permission being able to simulate games). Not going to work for anyone who was hoping for the old offline season mode experience.
    Also it seems like the rosters of teams who aren't chosen by the users aren't going to be available, nor is there free agency. No offseason, the league goes straight from the end of postseason to the "forming" stage for the next one. That seems like a serious blind spot.
    Pitcher energy is a thing in this mode.
    EDIT: Hold on....they just mentioned something about replacing someone with the CPU late in the stream. The above may not be correct.
    The Kid 24
    No replies so far, that can’t be good.
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    it probably isnt good when the most interesting bit is fans hotdogs in the stands.
    to be fair I haven't watched the whole thing yet lol
    bcruise
    It appears that this is a user-only mode (aside from the commish/anyone with permission being able to simulate games). Not going to work for anyone who was hoping for the old offline season mode experience.
    Also it seems like the rosters of teams who aren't chosen by the users aren't going to be available, nor is there free agency. No offseason, the league goes straight from the end of postseason to the "forming" stage for the next one. That seems like a serious blind spot.
    Pitcher energy is a thing in this mode.

    Yeah, it looks like you are correct on all points.
    4 man minimum isn’t great for me. I only have a couple friends who play The Show IRL and I really wouldn’t want to play with randoms so I’m a bit out of luck with this mode.
    Looks cool for those who have a big group tho.
    Steve_OS
    You can have CPU teams! Woohoo!

    Yeah, I heard that and edited my post just now, but that was a little vague...
    It seems like you'd have to kick a user out of the league in order for the CPU to take them over?
    jeffy777
    Yeah, it looks like you are correct on all points.
    4 man minimum isn’t great for me. I only have a couple friends who play The Show IRL and I really wouldn’t want to play with randoms so I’m a bit out of luck with this mode.
    Looks cool for those who have a big group tho.

    do one team cpu
    jeffy777
    Yeah, it looks like you are correct on all points.
    4 man minimum isn’t great for me. I only have a couple friends who play The Show IRL and I really wouldn’t want to play with randoms so I’m a bit out of luck with this mode.
    Looks cool for those who have a big group tho.

    Can come join us got some interest so far
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    Not how I want the CPU implemented. It does not appear I could create a league from the start as CPU. Looks like it is being implemented as a place holder.
    Worth pointing out that even if it is possible to get the CPU in the league by some means, there are no CPU sliders. They went through the whole list, which means the CPU would only be on the base difficulties (whichever ones the league setting is on, I assume).
    The ones that go for both user and CPU normally (errors, for example), could apply to both, though.
    bcruise
    Worth pointing out that even if it is possible to get the CPU in the league by some means, there are no CPU sliders. They went through the whole list, which means the CPU would only be on the base difficulties (whichever ones the league chooses, I assume.

    But could you not select 30 teams and they would be CPU if not taken before you start
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    Curious on Nemesis thoughts. Is this something the season mode fan can use to fill the gap left when season mode was taken out?
    Looks like ratings are adjusted based on live roster.
    Doesn't look like a way for new players to be added. Rookies etc....unless they are added in 40 man. Not sure how that works.
    Wasn't clear if you can trade with cpu.
    Noticed there is an untouchable list on trade block. Wonder how that was adjusted for offline when we see MTO next week?
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    bcruise
    Yeah, I heard that and edited my post just now, but that was a little vague...
    It seems like you'd have to kick a user out of the league in order for the CPU to take them over?

    Yeah my understanding watching the stream is that it has to start with USER players and then the commissioner can kick players out and replace them with CPU teams.
    Would be better to be allowed to start with 30 teams and mix and match between USER and CPU, but at least there is a workaround.
    I guess if you have you and 3 friends and want to play a 30 team league, you could each 4 pick a team and then invite 26 randoms and immediately kick them out the of league.
    I guess if you have you and 3 friends and want to play a 30 team league, you could each 4 pick a team and then invite 26 randoms and immediately kick them out the of league.
    that sounds entertaining just that right there alone lol
    tabarnes19
    Curious on Nemesis thoughts. Is this something the season mode fan can use to fill the gap left when season mode was taken out?
    Looks like ratings are adjusted based on live roster.
    Doesn't look like a way for new players to be added. Rookies etc....unless they are added in 40 man. Not sure how that works.
    Wasn't clear if you can trade with cpu.
    Noticed there is an untouchable list on trade block. Wonder how that was adjusted for offline when we see MTO next week?
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    This would not be a season mode replacement. You really cannot create that type of experience with this setup.
    bcruise
    Yeah, I heard that and edited my post just now, but that was a little vague...
    It seems like you'd have to kick a user out of the league in order for the CPU to take them over?

    I'm trying to get clarification on this.
    nemesis04
    This would not be a season mode replacement. You really cannot create that type of experience with this setup.
    Sorry to hear that. I was really hoping this would fill that "hole" for season mode guys.
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    countryboy
    my PSN ID is "goodolboy" so feel free to use me as a sacrificial USER to be booted from a league in order to get a CPU team into the league. :)

    Lol, it would be a job getting everyone to accept an invite to then get kicked out.
    tabarnes19
    Curious on Nemesis thoughts. Is this something the season mode fan can use to fill the gap left when season mode was taken out?
    Looks like ratings are adjusted based on live roster.
    Doesn't look like a way for new players to be added. Rookies etc....unless they are added in 40 man. Not sure how that works.
    Wasn't clear if you can trade with cpu.
    Noticed there is an untouchable list on trade block. Wonder how that was adjusted for offline when we see MTO next week?
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    This is an extremely important aspect because if the CPU isn't a functioning user (making trades) then it really becomes a moot point about having a league with USER and CPU controlled teams.
    From the tone of the stream, it is clearly the intent that this mode be for actual USER controlled teams and not CPU.
    countryboy
    This is an extremely important aspect because if the CPU isn't a functioning user (making trades) then it really becomes a moot point about having a league with USER and CPU controlled teams.
    From the tone of the stream, it is clearly the intent that this mode be for actual USER controlled teams and not CPU.

    To me they look strictly as a place holder with no outside game interaction.
    They were not thorough with the questions.
    bravesfan1984
    Guys, this is lame as lame can get. SDS just keeps letting us down. They truly hate offline players

    What did you expect? It was pretty much exactly what I expected.
    The only thing left to be determined is if CPU teams can be set from the start and if they can, then do they have any purpose beyond just allowing you to play games.
    SOU7GLO
    Online leagues with no off-season...no draft, no free agents, no resigning, no prospects, no player development...why...how...what happened?

    Maybe that is why they did not call it Online Franchise.
    If you expected all of that then you have not been paying attention. They would have mentioned it in the videos earlier in the week.
    Considering it was called online leagues before SDS removed it and the mode had the off-season for years, I’m likely not the only who was “paying attention” and expecting that to be there by default.
    What’s the point of playing multiple seasons with no roster turnover, players aging, scouting, etc?
    nemesis04
    To me they look strictly as a place holder with no outside game interaction.
    They were not thorough with the questions.

    That's the feeling I got as well watching the stream.
    SOU7GLO
    Considering it was called online leagues before SDS removed it and the mode had the off-season for years, I’m likely not the only who was “paying attention” and expecting that to be there by default.
    What’s the point of playing multiple seasons with no roster turnover, players aging, scouting, etc?

    I see the point based on past jargon used, but it's been pretty clear what this would be all week. Multiple seasons is there to avoid re-doing sliders and other small things, plus it needs to be there if they want to build on it as the years go by anyway. All the hints seem to indicate this was a first step and they just focused on making sure it actually works first since they started from scratch and are not using any of the old franchise infrastructure.
    To be clear though, do I think this becomes online franchise eventually down the line? I would not count on it still based on how few people use it in 2K and Madden (and I only say that because those two games use an existing infrastructure, while Show does not) so I don't think you'd get a complete online franchise unless they re-do regular franchise. Because, again, remember that 2K and Madden re-did their franchise modes and part of it was making them fully online even for offline stuff.
    But do I think you'll get basic fantasy drafts, player progression, minor leagues, off-season moves eventually? Yes, I think that eventually gets here. (This is all just me giving personal opinion.
    They never said you couldn’t start with CPU teams.. they also never said you could.
    The only real downer I heard was MLB live rosters update during your league. Meaning players can get the benefits but not the negatives (movement).
    ChaseB
    I see the point based on past jargon used, but it's been pretty clear what this would be all week. Multiple seasons is there to avoid re-doing sliders and other small things, plus it needs to be there if they want to build on it as the years go by anyway. All the hints seem to indicate this was a first step and they just focused on making sure it actually works first since they started from scratch and are not using any of the old franchise infrastructure.
    To be clear though, do I think this becomes online franchise eventually down the line? I would not count on it still based on how few people use it in 2K and Madden (and I only say that because those two games use an existing infrastructure, while Show does not) so I don't think you'd get a complete online franchise unless they re-do regular franchise. Because, again, remember that 2K and Madden re-did their franchise modes and part of it was making them fully online even for offline stuff.
    But do I think you'll get basic fantasy drafts, player progression, minor leagues, off-season moves eventually? Yes, I think that eventually gets here. (This is all just me giving personal opinion.

    This is what I've been saying too . I don't see them bringing this current franchise build With all these legacy issues they have yet to touch to an online mode.
    Dubya
    So pumped up for that Helton card. Can’t wait to replay the 2000 season on playerlock and win him his rightful MVP.
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    My good friend who was a pro baseball player in the White Sox and Angels organizations gave up a home run to Todd Helton and Larry Walker back to back in a spring training game.
    He lurks on here once in a while.
    I hope they build upon this in the future. Customization is key. If you could use a custom roster and choose how many user and cpu teams would be awesome. Also be able to rebrand any team and this mode in the future could have some potential but as it is right now, I have no interest personally
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    I never got into Online Franchise back in the day but I have played a good amount of DD since it's blown up. Though I will say though I have gotten pretty bored with the current DD landscape of playing Ranked Seasons each month.
    I am really looking forward to finding a Custom League with 30 other people, whether it's organized on a forum site or just through the game and PlayStation.
    I want to control the Mets and play a full season and see how well I can do. Maybe do some trades to help build the roster out and try to win a championship.
    lemarflacco
    This is what I've been saying too . I don't see them bringing this current franchise build With all these legacy issues they have yet to touch to an online mode.

    Yeah good call, but I guess we were maybe hoping this would be the year those issues would be resolved...
    I didn’t get the chance to watch the stream live but I did watch Mills do a breakdown. Definitely not for me but Mills did point out the trade hub and that they didn’t show the trade block because they’re saving that for the MTO stream. He hinted that the NTO trade block would be something improved. Let’s hope it makes it into franchise as well.
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    VinnyVegas28
    I hope they build upon this in the future. Customization is key. If you could use a custom roster and choose how many user and cpu teams would be awesome. Also be able to rebrand any team and this mode in the future could have some potential but as it is right now, I have no interest personally
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    Think this would not shock me as their next step before adding more offseason/multi-season stuff. It would more fit in line with their trajectory, and again, I think I would be more into this (from a purely competition standpoint!) if that happened before the more "online franchise" type elements.
    Because then you're still getting fun fantasy stuff, and you can then pretty much set up any sort of season structure with a bunch of friends or not many people at all with a bunch of CPU. I would care much more about that in an online setting than getting an MLB Draft in the offseason or even long-term progression -- at least in terms of priority.
    Fellas, when you create a league and under team management where u would send friends invites there should be a option to use USER/CPU the old setting was AI all to CPU.
    The other thing you can do is say u have your main PSN name with your paid PSN.
    any other name u make on your PS4 would be free to play online. You can put up to 14 names on your PS4. All you half to do is create your league with your main PSN name then invite your other psn names u create to that league for how many teams u decide to have in your league.
    It takes a few mins to get it setup but it will be possible to setup something for yourself or just a few friends and rest CPU or extra PSN names.
    For the record I've done this on Madden CFM and I've done it on MLB the show 14-17 online franchise. I dont see it being any different on 20.
    * My thoughts on the stream is no custom rosters, no free agents, no progression or a way to edit players within the mode or even use any type of created players is a shame.
    I prefer playing with friends and like minded FAIR PLAY individuals and ran leagues for years and always kept things realistic and close to real life as possible. What they put together I was excited for at first but now seeing this so called "Custom League" that's a slap in the face of what we once had.
    Highly disappointed and looks like I will continue to play franchise with friends using share-play to enjoy a real life schedule my own custom rosters and get to use broadcast to enjoy full presentation, rookie draft, all star game, rule 5 draft etc...all kinds of stats, real MLB records team stats, player stats, free agents and can edit whatever I want.
    Their no fantasy draft for ones who used to play franchise online mode you would start your league with a draft. Most leagues I was we did. The rosters update with live rosters update like DD you have no control of player development. Does anyone k ow if you have access to minor leagues
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    newhope1000
    Their no fantasy draft for ones who used to play franchise online mode you would start your league with a draft. Most leagues I was we did. The rosters update with live rosters update like DD you have no control of player development. Does anyone k ow if you have access to minor leagues
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    No minor leagues.
    Its either the MLB Live 40 man rosters or Diamond Dynasty squad.
    They never mentioned if we get the updated MLB roster rules for custom leagues.
    I'm curious to see if this is the way it was in past leagues 25 man roster thsn the other 15 players in AAA or is every team in league at full 40 on every game?
    So I'm guessing no 26 man or 27 man rosters for this. I wish they had touched on this.
    Also disappointed if theres no division like the real MLB American league East, Central and West same for National league. Just makes no sense we had more before why "BURN IT DOWN" and start completely over?
    I just wish they had taken 17 online franchise and figured a way to implement some of this stuff for the DD crowd but also fix the known issues 17 online franchise had would have been so much better than this bare bones softball league setup.
    countryboy
    No minor leagues.
    Its either the MLB Live 40 man rosters or Diamond Dynasty squad.
    bravesfan1984
    Guys, this is lame as lame can get. SDS just keeps letting us down. They truly hate offline players
    I have different perspective, dont feel let down at all, or hated either. sure, there is a different direction I wish Sony would let the developers take franchise to but all in all I'm good, and glad I'll be able to start a season right away, no waiting, with real minor leaguers. also glad with classic historical rosters I'll be able to have the California Angels, and the Expos in the league. little thing for sure, but the little things are one of the major reasons I enjoy the Show
    Also disappointed if theres no division like the real MLB American league East, Central and West same for National league. Just makes no sense we had more before why "BURN IT DOWN" and start completely over?

    There’s not divisions.
    TheBleedingRed21
    They never said you couldn’t start with CPU teams.. they also never said you could.
    The only real downer I heard was MLB live rosters update during your league. Meaning players can get the benefits but not the negatives (movement).

    Houston
    Fellas, when you create a league and under team management where u would send friends invites there should be a option to use USER/CPU the old setting was AI all to CPU.
    The other thing you can do is say u have your main PSN name with your paid PSN.
    any other name u make on your PS4 would be free to play online. You can put up to 14 names on your PS4. All you half to do is create your league with your main PSN name then invite your other psn names u create to that league for how many teams u decide to have in your league.
    It takes a few mins to get it setup but it will be possible to setup something for yourself or just a few friends and rest CPU or extra PSN names.
    For the record I've done this on Madden CFM and I've done it on MLB the show 14-17 online franchise. I dont see it being any different on 20.
    * My thoughts on the stream is no custom rosters, no free agents, no progression or a way to edit players within the mode or even use any type of created players is a shame.
    I prefer playing with friends and like minded FAIR PLAY individuals and ran leagues for years and always kept things realistic and close to real life as possible. What they put together I was excited for at first but now seeing this so called "Custom League" that's a slap in the face of what we once had.
    Highly disappointed and looks like I will continue to play franchise with friends using share-play to enjoy a real life schedule my own custom rosters and get to use broadcast to enjoy full presentation, rookie draft, all star game, rule 5 draft etc...all kinds of stats, real MLB records team stats, player stats, free agents and can edit whatever I want.

    Doesn’t sound like we’ll be able to start a league with CPU teams according to Victor at SDS on twitter:
    https://twitter.com/9secstun/status/1235034320173027328
    SMH - This mode us nothing like we once had.
    I am going to mess around with it on13th. I bought the MVP edition digital. I own 15-20 now on digital.
    I think 1 idea I have should work if that's the case. Over the years I made extra PSN names to help keep my baseball and football leagues filled or to use to prevent CPU on Madden to not make any crazy roster moves etc.
    So I can create a custom league fill it up with these extra PSN names then quit league with them and see if this will work for CPU taking over these teams.
    jeffy777
    Doesn’t sound like we’ll be able to start a league with CPU teams according to Victor at SDS on twitter:
    https://twitter.com/9secstun/status/1235034320173027328
    Houston
    SMH - This mode us nothing like we once had.
    I am going to mess around with it on13th. I bought the MVP edition digital. I own 15-20 now on digital.
    I think 1 idea I have should work if that's the case. Over the years I made extra PSN names to help keep my baseball and football leagues filled or to use to prevent CPU on Madden to not make any crazy roster moves etc.
    So I can create a custom league fill it up with these extra PSN names then quit league with them and see if this will work for CPU taking over these teams.

    I wonder if you will need a PS+ membership with each PSN account?
    But yeah, SDS not allowing CPU teams/sliders from the league creation screen doesn’t make a ton of sense no matter how you slice it. I watched the twitch stream live and people were flooding the comments asking for it (as well as fantasy draft) so it’s not like this is a fringe feature that only a few would use. Seems really strange that they overlooked it in the development process. I’d love to hear their reasoning for not including this.
    jeffy777
    I wonder if you will need a PS+ membership with each PSN account?

    Assumedly you could just login with the dummies on the primary console of your main account to get online access, join league, quit once it’s going and then they’ll be CPU.
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    If you have 1 paid PSN account all others u create is free to go and play online.
    You can only have 14 names on your PS4 at one time, time consuming but once u get those 14 on your PS4 invited and into the league u can take them off the PS4 and put another 14 etc...on and into the league etc..
    I've done this for madden in the last it's worth it but time consuming.
    jeffy777
    I wonder if you will need a PS+ membership with each PSN account?
    But yeah, SDS not allowing CPU teams/sliders from the league creation screen doesn’t make a ton of sense no matter how you slice it. I watched the twitch stream live and people were flooding the comments asking for it (as well as fantasy draft) so it’s not like this is a fringe feature that only a few would use. Seems really strange that they overlooked it in the development process. I’d love to hear their reasoning for not including this.
    Houston
    If you have 1 paid PSN account all others u create is free to go and play online.
    You can only have 14 names on your PS4 at one time, time consuming but once u get those 14 on your PS4 invited and into the league u can take them off the PS4 and put another 14 etc...on and into the league etc..
    I've done this for madden in the last it's worth it but time consuming.

    It's very stupid that we'd have to do this in the first place. Not sure I'll even bother.
    Dolenz
    As an offline only player that means the mode is worthless to me. That is a shame because it would be an extra way to use my DD team beyond Conquest games.

    As a fellow offline-only player, the likelihood of me buying MLB 20 went way down. Join-and-quit using dummy accounts now looks like nothing more than a loophole that could end up getting patched out at any time if they think of another way to deal with booting players.
    Dolenz
    As an offline only player that means the mode is worthless to me. That is a shame because it would be an extra way to use my DD team beyond Conquest games.

    Hopefully they've actually made some reason to play a 9 inning game of offline DD this year, it's pretty ridiculous that last year there wasn't any reason at al and even the option to do it was hidden away under "extended play".
    Side not, bit strange how weirdly quiet it is on the DD front considering the game is out in about a week and it's their main seller. I get that the DD stream is last, but it's weird that they haven't at least shown the gist of what the mission structure and cards will be like this year. I am getting a bit of bad feeling that it will essentially just be exactly the same as last year with innings programs, XP rewards, moments, signature cards, team affinity and the like, but with just different rewards for doing the same thing.
    Every other year they've changed it, but I haven't seen or heard anything about it yet I don't think?
    BigOscar
    Hopefully they've actually made some reason to play a 9 inning game of offline DD this year, it's pretty ridiculous that last year there wasn't any reason at al and even the option to do it was hidden away under "extended play".
    Side not, bit strange how weirdly quiet it is on the DD front considering the game is out in about a week and it's their main seller. I get that the DD stream is last, but it's weird that they haven't at least shown the gist of what the mission structure and cards will be like this year. I am getting a bit of bad feeling that it will essentially just be exactly the same as last year with innings programs, XP rewards, moments, signature cards, team affinity and the like, but with just different rewards for doing the same thing.
    Every other year they've changed it, but I haven't seen or heard anything about it yet I don't think?

    Yeah, it does seem to be that DD is not getting a lot of Hype this year. My only guess is that it is because it will mostly be the same as last year. I think they found a formula that worked and kept people engaged last year.
    And don't get me wrong, I am a pretty big fan of Conquest, especially the multiple maps with lots of hidden rewards this past year. I like being able to sit down to play for an hour or so and being able to progress more than one game. Three inning games are great for those with less time.
    But something along the lines of an offline ranked season mode or even an offline events mode would be nice. I understand that they could not have the same level of rewards as online, unless they somehow tweaked the offline settings to make it equally as tough to be successful as the online counterparts.
    Dolenz
    Yeah, it does seem to be that DD is not getting a lot of Hype this year. My only guess is that it is because it will mostly be the same as last year. I think they found a formula that worked and kept people engaged last year.
    And don't get me wrong, I am a pretty big fan of Conquest, especially the multiple maps with lots of hidden rewards this past year. I like being able to sit down to play for an hour or so and being able to progress more than one game. Three inning games are great for those with less time.
    But something along the lines of an offline ranked season mode or even an offline events mode would be nice. I understand that they could not have the same level of rewards as online, unless they somehow tweaked the offline settings to make it equally as tough to be successful as the online counterparts.

    Tbh, I am not particularly enthused about playing the same game as last year, even if I enjoyed it for a while. It would be incredibly lazy to just do the exact same thing again, but with the rewards moved around, so hopefully they are saving the changes for a final hype boost in the last week.
    As you say, I actually really like conquest as well, but that alone is far too little for the entire offline DD content, particularly as they ended up linking about 90% of the maps to innings programs anyway so they had no replay value at all. Moments aren't really DD and were incredibly tedious("hit a homer with player X" repeated about 200 times), whereas Mto just straight up isn't DD, even if they offer meagre DD rewards. So that pretty much just left "innings" and experience as the only things beyond conquest, which is incredibly aimless. Offline seasons would be absolutely great, offline events would be cool, just more missions that link to actually playing the game would suffice though tbh. But the fact that they've not mentioned anything doesn't exactly get my hopes up.
    BigOscar
    Tbh, I am not particularly enthused about playing the same game as last year, even if I enjoyed it for a while. It would be incredibly lazy to just do the exact same thing again, but with the rewards moved around, so hopefully they are saving the changes for a final hype boost in the last week.
    As you say, I actually really like conquest as well, but that alone is far too little for the entire offline DD content, particularly as they ended up linking about 90% of the maps to innings programs anyway so they had no replay value at all. Moments aren't really DD and were incredibly tedious("hit a homer with player X" repeated about 200 times), whereas Mto just straight up isn't DD, even if they offer meagre DD rewards. So that pretty much just left "innings" and experience as the only things beyond conquest, which is incredibly aimless. Offline seasons would be absolutely great, offline events would be cool, just more missions that link to actually playing the game would suffice though tbh. But the fact that they've not mentioned anything doesn't exactly get my hopes up.

    We're in the same mindset man.
    Now, they HAVE mentioned some new DD mode called Showdown...which is probably another lame online thing. But who knows?
    Offline DD was as bad as I thought it would be when they had their content stream last year. It just seemed insanely empty and that's exactly what happened as they shifted the focus way too much to the online guys.
    I cannot do Moments again; they just were not fun (aside from the Signature team program - THAT wasn't bad). MtO is NOT a DD mode and shouldn't be tied to it in any manner (other than the normal stub/XP for games played). And while I enjoy knocking out some Conquest games, it's a bit dull when you're not trying to accomplish anything else. Frankly, if they had the stat grind missions (like in the 11th inning program) in each program all year, it would've been a lot more fun. They can do "little things" like having varying roster restrictions for Conquest maps, or having them vs "signature teams" instead of just vs the Live Series guys. Give me a reason to play 9 inning games other than "grinding innings for team affinity...". It's kind of like where I am with franchise mode...I'm not asking for a lot here...just little improvements for us offline guys.
    If offline content (note I said "content", not "rewards") is as bad as it was last year (and it was awful), I will have to skip DD entirely this year (and that sucks because it is a fantastic side-mode for me when I want a quick 30 min diversion). Now, I've been looking at past DD modes, and they DO seem to change things up each year. So, I'm hopeful they change the paradigm this year.
    JoshC1977
    We're in the same mindset man.
    Now, they HAVE mentioned some new DD mode called Showdown...which is probably another lame online thing. But who knows?
    Offline DD was as bad as I thought it would be when they had their content stream last year. It just seemed insanely empty and that's exactly what happened as they shifted the focus way too much to the online guys.

    See I thought offline content was the best it has ever been. I accomplished more and created two great teams this past year where I have not even come close to getting an even getting 5 or 10 diamonds in the past.
    I did not mind most moments. To be honest I would rather hit a HR with a juiced player in moments, where i can easily try over and over, rather than being forced to add a bronze or silver card to my team and play actual games to try and get him that same HR.
    That said, I did not do many of the early story moments and only completed the easiest of the three Moments Extreme groups, and even that one drove me crazy.
    Dolenz
    See I thought offline content was the best it has ever been. I accomplished more and created two great teams this past year where I have not even come close to getting an even getting 5 or 10 diamonds in the past.
    I did not mind most moments. To be honest I would rather hit a HR with a juiced player in moments, where i can easily try over and over, rather than being forced to add a bronze or silver card to my team and play actual games to try and get him that same HR.
    That said, I did not do many of the early story moments and only completed the easiest of the three Moments Extreme groups, and even that one drove me crazy.

    To me, this is the difference between what some people mean by content and what others would call rewards. Offline rewards were great last year, you got stuff thrown at you left, right and center without much effort at all. To me, content is things to actually do, in which case last year was pretty barren from an offline perspective. There was conquest, moments, then team affinity (aimlessly grinding innings) and the offline daily missions, which again where all just aimlessly grinding innings. That was it iirc.
    Dolenz
    See I thought offline content was the best it has ever been. I accomplished more and created two great teams this past year where I have not even come close to getting an even getting 5 or 10 diamonds in the past.
    I did not mind most moments. To be honest I would rather hit a HR with a juiced player in moments, where i can easily try over and over, rather than being forced to add a bronze or silver card to my team and play actual games to try and get him that same HR.
    That said, I did not do many of the early story moments and only completed the easiest of the three Moments Extreme groups, and even that one drove me crazy.

    My own definition so you know why I am saying what I am sating: To me, new cards are not content....those are rewards. Content is something new to actually play...
    As for the other piece...I'd rather play a full game to get that bronze guy a HR then some slider-manipulated situation that has nothing to do with the team I'm building. I LOVE being able to mix-match lineups to accomplish missions (18 was FANTASTIC in that regards) while playing real 9 inning baseball games.
    JoshC1977
    We're in the same mindset man.
    Now, they HAVE mentioned some new DD mode called Showdown...which is probably another lame online thing. But who knows?
    Offline DD was as bad as I thought it would be when they had their content stream last year. It just seemed insanely empty and that's exactly what happened as they shifted the focus way too much to the online guys.
    I cannot do Moments again; they just were not fun (aside from the Signature team program - THAT wasn't bad). MtO is NOT a DD mode and shouldn't be tied to it in any manner (other than the normal stub/XP for games played). And while I enjoy knocking out some Conquest games, it's a bit dull when you're not trying to accomplish anything else. Frankly, if they had the stat grind missions (like in the 11th inning program) in each program all year, it would've been a lot more fun. They can do "little things" like having varying roster restrictions for Conquest maps, or having them vs "signature teams" instead of just vs the Live Series guys. Give me a reason to play 9 inning games other than "grinding innings for team affinity...". It's kind of like where I am with franchise mode...I'm not asking for a lot here...just little improvements for us offline guys.
    If offline content (note I said "content", not "rewards") is as bad as it was last year (and it was awful), I will have to skip DD entirely this year (and that sucks because it is a fantastic side-mode for me when I want a quick 30 min diversion). Now, I've been looking at past DD modes, and they DO seem to change things up each year. So, I'm hopeful they change the paradigm this year.

    I agree. Last year, as an offline DD player, was the worst version of the mode that I played for the reasons you outline.
    I hated doing Conquest to start the year to begin with (big map) and the fact that you had to do one each month for rewards was an awful experience for me. Missing out of the career arcs and players missions killed the mode for me. You never used your team offline.
    I also got so tired of playing moments, for the same monotonous reason why I stopped playing MUT. A repeat of last year will kill the DD mode entirely like Madden did with MUT. Good news is that I saved time and money by not playing the mode.
    The impression that I get at this point is that Diamond Dynasty is developed exclusively for H2H players. The things that can be done offline (Conquest, Moments) are intended not to cater to offline players, but as the occasional diversion to break up any monotony experienced by H2H players.
    I find it very frustrating. I played Road To The Show all the way from MLB 08 until I shifted toward DD in MLB 17 because I found that I really enjoyed its process of collecting cards, achieving objectives and building and improving my team. I continued playing it in 18. Then in 19, they got rid of all the interesting objectives that could be done organically in the process of proper 9-inning games and it felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me. It's like I had been told "This mode isn't for you. Any enjoyment you got out of it in the past was entirely incidental." And now I want it back. I find myself unwilling to buy the game if I don't get it back. So far, it doesn't look like they're willing to invite me to the DD party. Why? No idea.
    Just venting.
    omegaminus
    The impression that I get at this point is that Diamond Dynasty is developed exclusively for H2H players. The things that can be done offline (Conquest, Moments) are intended not to cater to offline players, but as the occasional diversion to break up any monotony experienced by H2H players.
    I find it very frustrating. I played Road To The Show all the way from MLB 08 until I shifted toward DD in MLB 17 because I found that I really enjoyed its process of collecting cards, achieving objectives and building and improving my team. I continued playing it in 18. Then in 19, they got rid of all the interesting objectives that could be done organically in the process of proper 9-inning games and it felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me. It's like I had been told "This mode isn't for you. Any enjoyment you got out of it in the past was entirely incidental." And now I want it back. I find myself unwilling to buy the game if I don't get it back. So far, it doesn't look like they're willing to invite me to the DD party. Why? No idea.
    Just venting.

    If I am being completely honest....'18 swung too far towards offline grinding - many online-focused guys never even got Immortals and those that did went to inexorable lengths (playing on rookie non-stop for 24 hrs) to attain them. The complaints they had about the long grinds weren't without some merit.
    As you point out though, 19 swung too far towards online guys (i.e. they over-corrected)....taking an approach of "we'll make this easy and quick so you stop whining". Instead of going to "no long stat grinds" as they indicated in the pre-release streams, they went with "no stat grinds".
    The frustrating part is that they could have accommodated the offline-only audience somewhat by a) including stat objectives (as opposed to innings played) to earn Team Affinity and b) by including stat objectives in each inning program.
    For most of the year, I went through this cycle of "play DD to earn the non-annoying stars" followed by 3-4 weeks of playing franchise (which got me to 300 by the end of the program). If I didn't also love franchise mode, I probably would've shelved the game....
    JoshC1977
    My own definition so you know why I am saying what I am sating: To me, new cards are not content....those are rewards. Content is something new to actually play...
    As for the other piece...I'd rather play a full game to get that bronze guy a HR then some slider-manipulated situation that has nothing to do with the team I'm building. I LOVE being able to mix-match lineups to accomplish missions (18 was FANTASTIC in that regards) while playing real 9 inning baseball games.

    I am not considering Cards themselves the content. I do consider all of those conquest maps content. I do consider Moments content.
    Now, I understand that Moments seems to split players into two camps. Those who enjoy them and those that hate them. That comes down to personal opinion.
    In the end it probably matters little what you or I enjoy more. What matters to SDS is which method keeps the most DD players invested deeper into the year and which method is more likely to earn them more stub sales.
    Dolenz
    I am not considering Cards themselves the content. I do consider all of those conquest maps content. I do consider Moments content.

    OK, fair enough - you just made a statement like "awesome content" and then started swooning about two awesome teams, number of diamonds, etc. Lots of people would see a new Headliners pack and scream about how "awesome the content is this year" and it really made me shake my head - I assumed you had the same mindset. You don't, we're on the same page there :)
    Dolenz
    Now, I understand that Moments seems to split players into two camps. Those who enjoy them and those that hate them. That comes down to personal opinion.

    The "moments" where you had to play a full game with your DD squad...those made sense as being actual "DD content" to me. The ones that were like "Hit HR in 1 AB with Player X" (who wasn't even on your DD team), were just like MtO to me...they had nothing to do with DD or had any business being tied to it.
    My opinion can be summed-up like this, "When I want to play DD, I want to play DD - not some other mode!".
    Dolenz

    In the end it probably matters little what you or I enjoy more. What matters to SDS is which method keeps the most DD players invested deeper into the year and which method is more likely to earn them more stub sales.

    No arguments here :)
    And just like custom leagues....everything is to cater to the "competitive" online crowd...

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