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MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode (Archive Available)

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MLB The Show 18 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode (Archive Available)

Sony San Diego Studio hosted their sixth MLB The Show 18 Twitch stream earlier today. This one covered Franchise Mode. For those of you that missed it, you can watch the archive below, or click here.

Watch MLB The Show 18 – Developer Stream #6 – Franchise from SonySanDiegoStudio on www.twitch.tv

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  1. So there's nothing new from what we read in that blog.
    I mean people can call it what they want, but franchise mode is MLB 17 in a new skin (phases). It's EXACTLY the same content just with a different way to get to it.
    extremeskins04
    So there's nothing new from what we read in that blog.
    I mean people can call it what they want, but franchise mode is MLB 17 in a new skin (phases). It's EXACTLY the same content just with a different way to get to it.

    Looks that way. If you actually have already played the mode before then it's all just shortcuts to previously existing screens. No talk of improvements to old features either
    That trade logic still looks pretty terrible as well
    we hear you franchise guys, me and such and such worked on this because we hear you guys. And in the next breath we did research(data mining), and we see you guys are not good at finding stuff so we made menus.
    What's incredible to me is that they're saying that they listened to the community's feedback about what people wanted.
    I mean what community are they talking to????????
    Everyone I know that is into sports games wants a better franchise mode and more close to the real thing. It's what people have been downright BEGGING for over the course of MANY years.
    I don't get it. I don't know of anyone even in this forum that says "we only want a more streamlined way to play franchise mode....we just want a different skin and have everything brought forefront".
    I mean come on now...
    extremeskins04
    What's incredible to me is that they're saying that they listened to the community's feedback about what people wanted.
    I mean what community are they talking to????????
    Everyone I know that is into sports games wants a better franchise mode and more close to the real thing.
    I don't get it. I don't know of anyone even in this forum that says "we only want a more streamlined way to play franchise mode....we just want a different skin and have everything brought forefront".
    I mean come on now...

    To be fair, I know a lot of people who's main complaint was that pressing LT and RT was too scary
    Hey remember that time 90% of all franchise users thoughts that the budget system from 17 was weird and garbage and wanted it changed? Well it seems they listened to us and made phases where we can go and look at the weird budget no one understand with only a half click instead of full click.
    They re-wrote the players retiring logic to make it more ability based. Players with B potential won't retire at age 34 or 35.
    Also, prospects will no longer retire due to "poor free agent market".
    MrArlingtonBeach
    They re-wrote the players retiring logic to make it more ability based. Players with B potential won't retire at age 34 or 35.
    Also, prospects will no longer retire due to "poor free agent market".

    How do top prospects even end up as a free agent in the first place?
    ranger91
    How do top prospects even end up as a free agent in the first place?

    T
    That was the real issue last year and the previous, in the first year teams would for some reason not sign most of their draft picks so there'd be tons of great young players on frees at the end of the first season
    So far in this stream, I've seen Arenado and Stanton on the trade block along with Moncada being traded to the Dodgers. Not impressed with the computer AI.
    BigOscar
    T
    That was the real issue last year and the previous, in the first year teams would for some reason not sign most of their draft picks so there'd be tons of great young players on frees at the end of the first season

    Exactly my point, this seems like much bigger issue than retirement logic. I remember it being easy to grab up good prospects each offseason if you want. Hopefully they fixed this too. I just thought it was funny they mentioned top prospects retiring but didn't mention why they are free agents in the 1st place.
    soxnut1018
    So far in this stream, I've seen Arenado and Stanton on the trade block along with Moncada being traded to the Dodgers. Not impressed with the computer AI.

    Not saying you are wrong but 1 instance of this is not that alarming. Could be a ton of variables we are not seeing.
    Looks like they've still not updated players potentials from years ago. Seriously hope they sort that out as it's bizarrely lazy to not update these things
    TheBleedingRed21
    Not saying you are wrong but 1 instance of this is not that alarming. Could be a ton of variables we are not seeing.

    Or we are basing off the last X amount of years where trade logic has been horrid.
    as someone who just started playing the game a couple of years ago, but doesn't particularly know the ins/outs of all the MLB salary/transaction rules.... I'm happy with the changes that puts the critical information out in front of you. No more having to dig through the rule book.
    I get people won't be happy about the inclusion of things like stadiums, but this will maybe keep people like me that struggled to stay invested in Franchise to stick around.
    Look, I know it's cool to hate on the lack of improvements to Franchise, but I like the menus, they look cleaner and quicker.
    Also there's this (I do 30 team control, so having to protect for the Rule V has always driven me nuts):
    TheBleedingRed21
    Not saying you are wrong but 1 instance of this is not that alarming. Could be a ton of variables we are not seeing.

    Maybe, but the White Sox are rebuilding. They should not be trading Moncada in any first year sim.
    I have to say, I like the offseason phases stuff. I had a franchise that I had to start over because I missed that I had to tender contracts to everyone and lost most of my players. This would have helped me.
    Also, lol at the Tigers signing Bumgarner in FA.
    Impetuous65
    we hear you franchise guys, me and such and such worked on this because we hear you guys. And in the next breath we did research, again data mining and we see you guys are not good at finding stuff so we made menus.

    I found it hard to find things sometimes so I will be expecting some thank you letters from the community for being somewhat responsible for this exciting new part of franchise. 😜
    BigOscar
    This stream isn't a real strong effort at making the game look simpler. He's making a real dogs dinner of it with the 30 team control

    He is not used to doing it as he has stated multiple times. It looks fine.
    I haven’t watched the stream but I like what I’m reading.
    No big sexy new feature but a lot of “cleanup” on the logic within.
    Will check out stream later
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    eric7064
    Jose Ramirez traded for Whit Merrifield, then Ramirez gets traded again the next day.

    At this point its laughable they amount of effort they put into this mode. They gave the outside of the house a fresh coat of paint but inside left a mess.
    BigOscar
    Still haven't got realistic contract values
    I don't think they can use the real contracts. There is a warning at the start of ootp when you start a new league using the real MLB game and it says that they are all fictional. I could be wrong but I don't think they are allowed to use the real contracts
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    Closers can lose their jobs to the set-up man or other relievers on CPU or Auto-Run teams.
    Lineup logic update...guys in the 5-9 spots were not being correctly slotted in. They have updated the logic around that.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Closers can lose their jobs to the set-up man or other relievers on CPU or Auto-Run teams.

    does that mean though the CP postion no longer exists and that everyone will become a RP??? I am a bit confused how they can get around that logic, how does the AI overwrite a CP with a RP and all star voting
    CujoMatty
    I found it hard to find things sometimes so I will be expecting some thank you letters from the community for being somewhat responsible for this exciting new part of franchise. 😜

    The problem with your quote is they didn't use your input. They use their telemetry data, to make that decision. It's nice and clean and I appreciate that, but you had no influence whatsoever.
    EnigmaNemesis
    That is per MLB/MLBPA.
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    I don't particularly care if they are accurate to the players real life contracts, but surely they are allowed to have the right sort of value? So a Bryce Harper level player is getting a Bryce Harper level contract?
    Nice to hear they are aiming to fix bullpen and roster logic
    dran1984
    At this point its laughable they amount of effort they put into this mode. They gave the outside of the house a fresh coat of paint but inside left a mess.

    The A's, an obviously big-budget, high-spending team, signed Jose Altuve in free agency.
    legacyme3
    Ooph, I saw like 3 guys around 60 OVR with A potentials in the Rule V draft. That's not good, unless you are doing 30 team control.

    He was doing 30 team control
    Easier navigation and simplicity in menus are always welcome, but I have not seen a single soul mention "yep need a more streamlined way to access things" or "ive played this game for 10 years I have no clue what im doing so please address this above anything else".
    Meh.
    extremeskins04
    You cannot evaluate your prospects in the minors without stat tracking. Sorry you just can't.

    Are you sure that there is no stat tracking each year for each prospect in the minors in the game?
    dran1984
    At this point its laughable they amount of effort they put into this mode. They gave the outside of the house a fresh coat of paint but inside left a mess.

    Three team trade...
    I just wish they would answer the damm Otahni question if he can be put on DH
    because on the lineup screens it looks like pitchers can't be put on the lineup so if 2 way players were in the game it would be locked to only him
    TheBleedingRed21
    Good god. How does interleague schedules keep getting neglected? I just don’t get it. It has to be the top community franchise request at this point.

    It's a let down. let's hope it gets added for next year. As for franchise and playing multiple seasons I'll be sticking with OOTP 19.
    with the new BP logic, to me that sounds like the CP position is gone and if it is in the game it's pointless to be there. they should all just be RP. otherwise I can't see how the AI logic can work with this it would have to overwrite the CP
    ninertravel
    with the new BP logic, to me that sounds like the CP position is gone and if it is in the game it's pointless to be there. they should all just be RP. otherwise I can't see how the AI logic can work with this it would have to overwrite the CP

    If CP is in the game, then I imagine that the AI would give a certain weight to CP, IE, give them more leeway before stripping the closer role from them.
    ninertravel
    with the new BP logic, to me that sounds like the CP position is gone and if it is in the game it's pointless to be there. they should all just be RP. otherwise I can't see how the AI logic can work with this it would have to overwrite the CP

    You overthink things wayyyy to much and come to conclusions too quickly on things.
    You're overthinking the "position of the player" to much. In order for this logic to happen, they just need to move a RP into the CP role and the CP into a RP slot.
    It can be done today. The CPU just has never done it.
    legacyme3
    If CP is in the game, then I imagine that the AI would give a certain weight to CP, IE, give them more leeway before stripping the closer role from them.

    How would the All star voting go then?? what if all the closers were not in their role because the logic of the all star voting they have to choose 2 Closers. is it actually possible to not have any closer on a roster in franchise?? it would be good to have them all as RP
    kehlis
    You overthink things wayyyy to much and come to conclusions too quickly on things.
    You're overthinking the "position of the player" to much. In order for this logic to happen, they just need to move a RP into the CP role and the CP into a RP slot.
    It can be done today. The CPU just has never done it.

    have you not found that even if a CP is not in the closer role the CPU will always go with the closer anyway in a game because he is a CP not a RP??? on every single save situation, you can't just say overthinking when their is evidence there from the past and wondering how it will work
    TotesMaGotes
    Does better lineup AI include AI teams having 9 position players and 16 pitchers on every AI controlled team? Asking for a friend.

    They didn't have time explaining anything due to the fact they had to rush to the great "legend reveal". They spent about as much time revealing the legend as they did discussing "improvements" outside of the new phase gimmick.
    Nothing surprising or exciting but I'm actually pretty satisfied with that. I think the logic tweaks will really help, as someone who was easily frustrated by early retirements, weird rotations and lineups, and mind boggling bullpen usage.
    ninertravel
    have you not found that even if a CP is not in the closer role the CPU will always go with the closer anyway in a game because he is a CP not a RP??? on every single save situation, you can't just say overthinking when their is evidence there from the past and wondering how it will work

    lol. Hence the reworking of the logic.......
    forme95
    Hopefully with the new logic, 30 team wont be needed.

    Best way to play is use 30 control - set everything but your team to AUTO, it’s the EXACT same as playing just one team.. but with the luxury of fixing anything wonky.
    thekidisback
    Still no 3 team trades or trading more than 3 players for one. I feel like we are never going to get that.

    To be fair, I imagine coding trade logic is pretty complicated with all the different factors for even two team trades. Three team trades would be awesome, but I'd rather they continue to improve two team trade logic and get that working better before adding three team trades
    So in summary, made the game a bit clearer for new players as to what they should be doing at each time (phases)
    Improved retirement logic to be more driven by talent.
    Changed closer logic so it can change to none closers in certain situations.
    Improved roster/lineup logic so AI doesn't need changes forced on it by injuries/trades, now can just happen because of ratings and performance
    Seemingly a higher amount of draftees each year so they don't run out.
    I think that's everything?
    PhilliesFan13
    Notice how excited Ramone got once it was time for something related to DD?
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    I noticed that too. He looked like he was going to fall asleep, until DD news.
    kehlis
    lol. Hence the reworking of the logic.......

    all that was, was logic in the actual BP depth charts they showed not within an actual game... I would like to see if Chapman was sucking if they moved him to a MRP if the CPU still picked him in the 9th innings in a save situation.
    currently right now we would have to change his position from CP to RP.
    if in fact all this has been fixed it is pointless having the CP as a position they should all just be RP which would help fix the logic easier
    catswithbats
    The Tigers traded Jordan Zimmermann? That's the best thing I've seen all stream.
    Haha I'm right there with you! Still keeping my fingers crossed that he has a bounce back year.
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    ShowTyme15
    Did they bring back the trade delay option? and the option to view it in pending transactions screen to see if we want to veto the deal or not?

    No word on it.
    catswithbats
    Nothing surprising or exciting but I'm actually pretty satisfied with that. I think the logic tweaks will really help, as someone who was easily frustrated by early retirements, weird rotations and lineups, and mind boggling bullpen usage.

    I'm not sure what's not being understood here. They didn't say the reworked bullpen logic. They said they worked the logic when it comes to the CLOSER ROLE. Nothing was said about the usage of any other relievers. They just said that other relievers can be inserted in the closers role. That's all.
    BigOscar
    So in summary, made the game a bit clearer for new players as to what they should be doing at each time (phases)
    Improved retirement logic to be more driven by talent.
    Changed closer logic so it can change to none closers in certain situations.
    Improved roster/lineup logic so AI doesn't need changes forced on it by injuries/trades, now can just happen because of ratings and performance
    Seemingly a higher amount of draftees each year so they don't run out.
    I think that's everything?

    I think your underselling the new menus. It’s absoutley stunning the difference. And the fact they show relevant information without the digging instead of standings during offseason.. it’s a big deal (at least to me). The tidbits during offseason is also fantastic.
    I also think you don’t understand the new bullpen logic but I’ll let someone else explain it.
    Bondsfan
    I tuned in mid-stream. Is it safe to say that importing newly added SCEA players into an existing franchise still hasn't made it into the game?

    yep I give up on it happening Ill just use my own tricks again and keep 50 players named A on the side with service time and rookies in case I have to add in a player
    Archie56
    Haha I'm right there with you! Still keeping my fingers crossed that he has a bounce back year.
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    Feels like a pipe dream at this point, but me too. Maybe Bosio can wave his magic wand.
    TheBleedingRed21
    I think your underselling the new menus. It’s absoutley stunning the difference. And the fact they show relevant information without the digging instead of standings during offseason.. it’s a big deal (at least to me). The tidbits during offseason is also fantastic.
    I also think you don’t understand the new bullpen logic but I’ll let someone else explain it.

    I was talking from the perspective of someone who already understands how the game works and knows where everything is, so moving shortcuts to things and adding explanaitons isn't a big deal to me. But I can see how it will be very helpful to newer players or anyone who hasn't fully got a handle on the old system.
    TheBleedingRed21
    I think your underselling the new menus. It’s absoutley stunning the difference. And the fact they show relevant information without the digging instead of standings during offseason.. it’s a big deal (at least to me). The tidbits during offseason is also fantastic.
    I also think you don’t understand the new bullpen logic but I’ll let someone else explain it.

    Not paying $60 for new menus and bullpen logic. We've been asking for very specific items to be added to franchise mode for years. Every single year we go into Twitch and ask them, and every year they come up with a reason why they didn't.
    dran1984
    I'm not sure what's not being understood here. They didn't say the reworked bullpen logic. They said they worked the logic when it comes to the CLOSER ROLE. Nothing was said about the usage of any other relievers. They just said that other relievers can be inserted in the closers role. That's all.

    That's what I was referring to. I've had teams where closers with terrible numbers stayed in the closer role until I went in manually and changed them to RPs/changed other relievers to closers.
    DoTheSankeyLeg
    I noticed that too. He looked like he was going to fall asleep, until DD news.

    My interpretation was that he didn't want to steal the thunder of the two guys on the couch with him, who admitted to being huge franchise guys, and were hyped to talk about the mode.
    I feel like Ramone gets excited over anything he really "talks" about, but he didn't have much of a speaking role in this stream. It's hard to convey excitement when you yourself are not really saying anything, and aren't interacting in any way with the game itself. I know I get tired watching people pour through menus, and talk about menus, and I'm a franchise nut, myself. I can't imagine the tedium for a guy whose job it is to look at them.
    I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one in particular. It's possible Diamond Dynasty is his favorite mode. But I trust him, and the other devs, to genuinely give the game the most care they can.
    legacyme3
    My interpretation was that he didn't want to steal the thunder of the two guys on the couch with him, who admitted to being huge franchise guys, and were hyped to talk about the mode.

    Also weren't those two who did the work on Franchise? If Ramone didn't work on it himself I wouldn't expect him to dominate the stream.
    extremeskins04
    Not paying $60 for new menus and bullpen logic. We've been asking for very specific items to be added to franchise mode for years. Every single year we go into Twitch and ask them, and every year they come up with a reason why they didn't.

    Then don’t man. No one forces you to buy it. If you aren’t happy with it, I wouldn’t waste the money either.
    I’m not happy with interleague schedules being neglected again but there were more changes than just menus. But that’s my opinion and that’s okay.
    ranger91
    To be fair, I imagine coding trade logic is pretty complicated with all the different factors for even two team trades. Three team trades would be awesome, but I'd rather they continue to improve two team trade logic and get that working better before adding three team trades

    I'm tired of this excuse for a professional dev team. As a programmer every damn thing they do is pretty complicated. NBA 2k does three way trades and trading of draft picks. I'm quite sure if SCEA wanted to take the time and implement 3 team trades into the game then they could do it easily.
    As to the second highlighted selection, did they talk about improved trade logic in the stream?
    My quick initial thoughts. Whole thing ended better than how it started. Could've skipped the first half hour and not missed a thing.
    The Good
    The menus do look slick, though that's true of every mode now. Visually, everything is more appealing and I like that they went with a lighter background than the dark blue last year. Names pop much more.
    Compensatory rounds. That's a nice touch. Glad to see it in there. Ditto retirement logic. Always holding my breath last year one of my guys would retire far too early or a prospect who just gives up. No rhyme or reason.
    The bullpen/batting order logic sounds good. Just have to hope elite guys don't get moved around after a rough start. Hopefully they've found the right balance, though I bet it's going to be an issue.
    I think the phases for the offseason is the most helpful thing. That's when it can get the most confusing and just simming through isn't really an option. They've broken it down better this year which I can appreciate. Only a couple of issues.
    The baseball card text was a little weird. I don't need to see "Qualifying offer made" in a cheesy looking text. I just want to see the information cleanly and clearly. But it's a minor issue. At one point, it also didn't look like it showed an option to bring up the player card (maybe you still can) from one of the free agent windows. You do get a good look at overall stats on the right but it's not going to tell you every stat...or how the player has performed in the past.
    The Bad
    Still, it's pretty light on new options that aren't just the layout and the streamlining. During the season, the phases don't see to help much. Sim to date can essentially accomplish the same task. You can access some of the information a little bit quicker but if you look at franchise mode for 10 minutes, you could find everything reasonably quickly. They acted like some stuff was new (trade block! Here are your standings!). You could even hear the developer say several times "as you guys saw last year."
    So many little things that doesn't sound like they've been addressed. Morale is still broken; they didn't mention any fixes to that and it has such a big impact on the players (tone it done or let us turn it off). No contract extensions (to help fix some morale problems). Still going to be kinda wonky with the opening day/playoff rosters, where the game likes to mess with your 25 man roster, causing you to burn up extra options. Stats, as was mentioned in the other thread, need a much deeper dive. It's all surface level.
    There are some small steps. And I get that it's a small dev team, especially for the mode. I'm not mad that Create a stadium isn't in here; I didn't expect it to be. But they gotta offer up a little more for the hardcore fan who has a good grasp on the game. Just to show that they're making an honest effort for that fanbase, especially in a year where they removed online franchise.
    catswithbats
    That's what I was referring to. I've had teams where closers with terrible numbers stayed in the closer role until I went in manually and changed them to RPs/changed other relievers to closers.

    That is exactly what I am trying to explain to people on here.. all they showed was logic on the depth chart. it doesn't mean the CPU won't stop bringing their closer in every single save situation in the 9th innings, Hell you could put a starting pitcher at closer and the CPU won't bring them in. (this could have been changed though time will tell)
    My guess is we have to change all the CP to RP for this to work better.
    I would have preferred 6 man rotations which is what I thought they were going to tell us when they brought up rotations but oh well just have to manually do that if you want a 6 man like the Angels or Rangers
    dran1984
    I'm tired of this excuse for a professional dev team. As a programmer every damn thing they do is pretty complicated. NBA 2k does three way trades and trading of draft picks. I'm quite sure if SCEA wanted to take the time and implement 3 team trades into the game then they could do it easily.
    As to the second highlighted selection, did they talk about improved trade logic in the stream?

    2K is also a lot bigger team. Just FYI.
    catswithbats
    Feels like a pipe dream at this point, but me too. Maybe Bosio can wave his magic wand.
    I'm liking his quicker pace so far this spring training. Hopefully that translates into the regular season
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    CoiaNY
    Easier navigation and simplicity in menus are always welcome, but I have not seen a single soul mention "yep need a more streamlined way to access things" or "ive played this game for 10 years I have no clue what im doing so please address this above anything else".
    Meh.

    The question should not be "How many veteran players requested this?" but instead should be "How many new players have given up on the mode completely because they did not understand or could not find the needed information?".
    I said earlier in a different thread that streamlining the process could very well entice new players to try the mode and that pulling new players into Franchise can only add incentive for them to keep working on it.
    CAN NOT wait till the 23rd!! I am so stoked. Another year, and looks better then 17, which was in my opinion a great game. Nice SDS, keep it going forward. RTTS and Franchise, awesome
    TheBleedingRed21
    2K is also a lot bigger team. Just FYI.

    MLB The Show makes a TON of cash. There's no reason not to have a bigger team. I'm so tired of the "it's a small team" excuse.
    extremeskins04
    MLB The Show makes a TON of cash. There's no reason not to have a bigger team. I'm so tired of the "it's a small team" excuse.

    Lol. The logic and the know everything mentality.
    I’m done. See you boys next Friday.
    Archie56
    I'm liking his quicker pace so far this spring training. Hopefully that translates into the regular season
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    I almost didn't recognize him in his last start. I'm used to him lulling me to sleep.
    dran1984
    I'm tired of this excuse for a professional dev team. As a programmer every damn thing they do is pretty complicated. NBA 2k does three way trades and trading of draft picks. I'm quite sure if SCEA wanted to take the time and implement 3 team trades into the game then they could do it easily.
    As to the second highlighted selection, did they talk about improved trade logic in the stream?

    I'm sure they could do it but it being complicated means it'd take considerable time away from other franchise improvements. I'm all for three team trades, I just feel its a nice "cherry on top" improvement. Which is great if the other parts of franchise mode are great, but their two team trades have been spotty at best in the past. I'd just rather they make improvements to two team trades and other areas such as roster management, player development, and scouting before spending a ton of time adding three team trades. Not to mention three-team trades in real life make up a really small percentage of overall trades that occur. You have a good point that the NBA 2K game has it but, to my knowledge, it's really the only game that does. OOTP baseball which focuses almost solely on team management doesn't even have three team trades and they specifically note how complex it is to get right as to why they don't have it.
    extremeskins04
    MLB The Show makes a TON of cash. There's no reason not to have a bigger team. I'm so tired of the "it's a small team" excuse.
    You have access to their financials, budgeting, and overhead? Do share.
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    I’m just glad they fixed the red on the Red Sox and Angels unis, the Angels are wearing red belts, and Trout has a face scan. The menus look awesome and I love how streamlined everything is. I also like the explanations for all the off-season contract stuff.
    So, ignoring my general feelings about what I knew didn't make it and focusing on the stream, here's what I really like:
    -The "phases" menus are clean and engaging. As a whole, phases are actually a nicer change than I expected...while some seems a bit oversimplified, it does a lot for organization of certain information overall.
    -Unrelated to franchise, specifically, but the generated faces look absolutely fantastic overall.
    -The fixes to various trade logic bugs.
    -The changes to retirement logic (looked like the most promising fix overall IMO).
    -I like the separation and breakdown of contract status.
    -Small change, but I appreciate them moving the 40 man column on the roster page so you don't have to scroll.

    Some changes I like in theory, but am less sure about in practice:
    - RP logic sounds good, but I need to see how often changes take place before declaring it a win. With what is, IMO, over-dramatized hot/cold streaks in franchise, I do worry about the potential for quick triggers...especially if it's evaluated after each series.
    - The fixes for 5-9 in the lineup logic was too vague, so I'm unsure of the benefits. Any improvements are appreciated here though.
    -Improved injury logic. I'm curious to see how well it works overall, but the bare minimum of the correct position player being reinserted upon return is definitely appreciated.
    -Call-up/Send down logic. That's always tricky, so we'll see.
    - I'm a bit worried about the minor league position depth changes, tbh. While I appreciate trying to balance AI rosters, I also would prefer taking guys already on the team and maybe swapping to a secondary or comparable position than trades, cuts, etc. to make it happen. That might be too big of an ask programming wise though. This is another "we'll see."

    Overall, some potentially solid fixes. I'm still a bit underwhelmed overall, but I can see how the cleaner organization could make deeper additions in future iterations more palatable to less familiar players. Whether or not that actually happens is a discussion for another time though.
    EnigmaNemesis
    You have access to their financials, budgeting, and overhead? Do share.
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    You don't need to have access to it to use common sense to see that MLB The Show with Diamond Dynasty and stubs and everything to know it's a CASH COW.
    Seriously. lol Are we really going to argue about whether or not they make a ton of money from this game?
    The point is, the "small team" excuse has gotten old.
    extremeskins04
    You don't need to have access to it to use common sense to see that MLB The Show with Diamond Dynasty and stubs and everything to know it's a CASH COW.
    Seriously. lol Are we really going to argue about whether or not they make a ton of money from this game?
    The point is, the "small team" excuse has gotten old.
    You are being irrational, you should take a breather. Maybe go outside, stretch a little, a few deep breaths. It truly does wonders for me when I am in a stressed exchange.
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    extremeskins04
    You don't need to have access to it to use common sense to see that MLB The Show with Diamond Dynasty and stubs and everything to know it's a CASH COW.
    Seriously. lol Are we really going to argue about whether or not they make a ton of money from this game?
    The point is, the "small team" excuse has gotten old.

    And still, not even close to the level of Madden or 2K, which have similar avenues for extra revenue and are multi-platform.
    The small team excuse may "be old" but it doesn't make it any less true.
    SoxFan01605
    And still, not even close to the level of Madden or 2K, which have similar avenues for extra revenue and are multi-platform.
    The small team excuse may "be old" but it doesn't make it any less true.

    Not to mention that Madden and 2K are multi platform as opposed to The Show being limited to one console.
    Impetuous65
    The problem with your quote is they didn't use your input. They use their telemetry data, to make that decision. It's nice and clean and I appreciate that, but you had no influence whatsoever.

    Uhhhhhhh ya clearly it was sarcasm lol
    extremeskins04
    You don't need to have access to it to use common sense to see that MLB The Show with Diamond Dynasty and stubs and everything to know it's a CASH COW.
    Seriously. lol Are we really going to argue about whether or not they make a ton of money from this game?
    The point is, the "small team" excuse has gotten old.

    I don't think you're wrong in making the conclusion that they are a cash cow but you are wrong to assume you know where that profit goes if you truly don't know.
    Question - do the cpu teams get the money from marketing/advertising or is it limited to user team? My impression from previous versions is the cpu team don't get it and I don't like gaining an unfair advantage so I never used it.
    I asked in the chat but didn't see it answered.
    Love the new menus and overlays. I think they're the best ones they've ever had. Phases is cool for clarity and display. When you are playing Franchise for months, it's great to be staring at bright and dynamic menus that are clean and easy to navigate. I also like the home screen with the pitcher matchups. The players are bigger and clearly better in the face and uniforms are much more bright and textured. Aesthetically, this game is going to be amazing.
    It's a tad frustrating they haven't fixed interleague schedules. But just a minor setback in my mind. Not going to let it ruin the fact this game has been amazing for years and this year will just be a cleaner and more visually impressive mode.
    I would also like to see a few more changes. New stuff is always exciting but that doesn't change the fact this already a very deep and enjoyable baseball sim. It should be a lot more immersive this year with the changes to presentation and commentary. And the gameplay looks improved so that will also greatly help immersion and authenticity.
    Overall across all the streams they've done, people will realize they made a ton of great changes in a lot of areas. And once again this game will be a godsend to us baseball people. And all of us normal, reasonable baseball heads will once again get our fix and then some.
    Forever thankful this isn't an EA game. If the NHL series were like the Show, I may literally need to quit my job.
    ranger91
    To be fair, I imagine coding trade logic is pretty complicated with all the different factors for even two team trades. Three team trades would be awesome, but I'd rather they continue to improve two team trade logic and get that working better before adding three team trades

    Why not both? This stream was the final one to convince me that 18 is not improved enough to warrant a purchase. I will continue with 17 and hope that 19 actually has things like the new right field stuff and Trout farm in LF in Anaheim stadium, a much better franchise with 3 team trades and more than 3 for 1 trades, contract extensions and much more. It's cool, I will just have to skip this year.
    No rotating inter league schedules is the only downside I’ve seen thus far.
    Very pleased with what they did work on.
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    Vmascarello
    Love the new menus and overlays. I think they're the best ones they've ever had. Phases is cool for clarity and display. When you are playing Franchise for months, it's great to be staring at bright and dynamic menus that are clean and easy to navigate. I also like the home screen with the pitcher matchups. The players are bigger and clearly better in the face and uniforms are much more bright and textured. Aesthetically, this game is going to be amazing.
    It's a tad frustrating they haven't fixed interleague schedules. But just a minor setback in my mind. Not going to let it ruin the fact this game has been amazing for years and this year will just be a cleaner and more visually impressive mode.
    I would also like to see a few more changes. New stuff is always exciting but that doesn't change the fact this already a very deep and enjoyable baseball sim. It should be a lot more immersive this year with the changes to presentation and commentary. And the gameplay looks improved so that will also greatly help immersion and authenticity.
    Overall across all the streams they've done, people will realize they made a ton of great changes in a lot of areas. And once again this game will be a godsend to us baseball people. And all of us normal, reasonable baseball heads will once again get our fix and then some.
    Forever thankful this isn't an EA game. If the NHL series were like the Show, I may literally need to quit my job.

    I played less of the show 17 than any other edition because of gameplay in manage mode - too little offense. I was looking for a ton of gameplay in the franchise stream and I didn't see any.
    On what are you basing you assessment of improved gameplay? With very few changes to franchise and nothing to convince me gameplay has improved I'm not sold on the show 18. It's not the $60 dollars, just don't want to feel like Charlie Brown having Lucy pull the football away again.
    They usually do a great job in these streams but this one didn't do what I thought it might.
    countryboy
    No rotating inter league schedules is the only downside I’ve seen thus far.
    Very pleased with what they did work on.
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    Can you explain one thing real fast?
    How are you going to track your prospects to see how they're doing in the minors so you know when to promote or demote them?
    What I liked:
    Other:
    It's pretty clear that criticism has been getting to these guys. Matt Schaefer mentioned several times about memes, criticisms, not being forgotten about, not trying to dumb things down etc...not exactly the statements one would make with a mode that was on fire and anticipation was really high. It was interesting to see how they react to feedback. It also seems like they've made some changes with who is working on Franchise mode. Luis Martinez was nowhere to be found. Matt, Clayton, and Daniel were the people mentioned to be working on it instead.
    Overall, I think this stream was a little better than most were expecting based on lackluster news about this mode so far this cycle, but I think a lot of us are still on the fence about whether to buy or not. Coupled with some improvements to gameplay (tagging, catcher animations, fielding tiers) and visuals (fog, lighting, colors potentially) and some possible steps backward (De-Ro's voice in for Reynolds' voice, are the out-of-position penalties too much?), it'll be a tough decision for a lot of us, I think.
    extremeskins04
    Can you explain one thing real fast?
    How are you going to track your prospects to see how they're doing in the minors so you know when to promote or demote them?

    The same way I have for years, by viewing their minor league stats during the season and using Sportscast manager. :)
    The small team excuse will be with us for a while I am afraid. This is all on Sony. SDS has done an incredible job with the game. We all remember the cuts Sony made a couple of years ago and we were scared that SDS would be hit. But they made it through and for this we are thankful. But Sony, imo, will not increase their budget while they have a quality developer making The Show. This makes the "small team" excuse both a negative and a compliment to SDS. Our only hope for a drastic upgrade to MLBTS will probably come with the PS5..... maybe.
    countryboy
    The same way I have for years, by viewing their minor league stats during the season and using Sportscast manager. :)

    You only get to see what they're doing for that season, stats are not kept in the minors. There is no stat tracking in the minors in mlb the show.
    extremeskins04
    Can you explain one thing real fast?
    How are you going to track your prospects to see how they're doing in the minors so you know when to promote or demote them?

    They track the minor league stats each season. Just generally don't appear on the 'player card'. You usually have to view the Minors stats in lineup screen or stats screen.
    extremeskins04
    You only get to see what they're doing for that season, stats are not kept in the minors. There is no stat tracking in the minors in mlb the show.

    Isn't that what I just said, that I view during the season?? :y7:
    I'm well aware of the minor league stat tracking and how it works.
    Again, I track the stats for the season and use Sportscast manager to sim the games so I see how they perform.
    tessl
    I played less of the show 17 than any other edition because of gameplay in manage mode - too little offense. I was looking for a ton of gameplay in the franchise stream and I didn't see any.
    On what are you basing you assessment of improved gameplay? With very few changes to franchise and nothing to convince me gameplay has improved I'm not sold on the show 18. It's not the $60 dollars, just don't want to feel like Charlie Brown having Lucy pull the football away again.
    They usually do a great job in these streams but this one didn't do what I thought it might.

    Not sure if you caught the 'gameplay' or 'presentation and commentary' stream but they have definitively improved the gameplay and other aspects of the game.
    Wouldn't it be cool if they added a press conference for all the major FA signings in the off-season, just like PES 2018 has it done. It's fine now, but this would add so much more to the presentation and excitement during the off-season.
    The menu with all the retired players should have the age listed as well.
    I really like the new menu interface and mug shots for the players.
    countryboy
    Isn't that what I just said, that I view during the season?? :y7:
    I'm well aware of the minor league stat tracking and how it works.
    Again, I track the stats for the season and use Sportscast manager to sim the games so I see how they perform.

    Not going to argue about it. Minors stat tracking should be in the game, we've been asking for it. It's frustrating that it isn't.
    I've seen retirement logic being listed as a plus more than a few times...
    Have you guys been seeing players just retiring so young frequently?
    I had it happen just once - Chapman retired on me at 31 in my old franchise (MLB16). Otherwise, my franchises have a lot a 32+ players...heck Chris Davis held on for me until 42...it was funny because I kept planning for his retirement when he was 35...LOL
    I think it's the late 30's, early 40's guys that need to hold on a little more. I mean, Ichiro is still around, Hough played until 45 I think and Julio Franco is probably still playing baseball in a league somewhere. Henderson was in his 40's, etc.
    as I said previously during the middle of the stream....as someone with pretty casual knowledge of all the MLB rules, I'm going to be more inclined to play franchise this year due to the updated menus.
    Looks like a pretty solid quality of life update to bring more interest to it. Something pretty much all the non-NBA 2k franchise modes have needed for some time.
    extremeskins04
    Not going to argue about it. Minors stat tracking should be in the game, we've been asking for it. It's frustrating that it isn't.

    Who's arguing? You asked me a question and I answered it. Then you tried to correct my answer by telling me exactly what I said.
    This response comes across as you were trying to start an argument for whatever reason. Not saying that was your intent, but it sure comes across that way.
    And I want minor league stat tracking in as well.
    I religiously erased the CP position from all other iterations of franchise and the logic worked perfectly. Beefing the lineup and bullpen logic could be a big deal if it carries over to the roster management side. As a day to day player of franchise mode it's the biggest problem when you enter a game and the cpu roster is void of logic:

    It's crushing
    Him hitting cleanup behind Papi was almost just as worse especially considering his below .215 average on the season. If you're a player who franchises with high injuries that tests the logic and tribulations around the league, an enhanced AI for roster management and game management is overdue.
    So, I’m attempting to get back into offline franchise.
    But this didn’t sell me on the mode. Most of these items could’ve been added via a patch.
    Disappointed.
    Nothing earth-shattering, but good additions and improvements. Nice to see several bugs getting fixed too. Hopefully not too many new issues introduced as a result of the tweaks to the various logic systems.
    KBLover
    I've seen retirement logic being listed as a plus more than a few times...
    Have you guys been seeing players just retiring so young frequently?
    I had it happen just once - Chapman retired on me at 31 in my old franchise (MLB16). Otherwise, my franchises have a lot a 32+ players...heck Chris Davis held on for me until 42...it was funny because I kept planning for his retirement when he was 35...LOL
    I think it's the late 30's, early 40's guys that need to hold on a little more. I mean, Ichiro is still around, Hough played until 45 I think and Julio Franco is probably still playing baseball in a league somewhere. Henderson was in his 40's, etc.

    Right. It's not so much the age, as it is the reasoning. As I understood it, that is the logic that, according to the stream, should now be better balanced.
    The issues of prospects retiring or guys who are still producing, still rated well, etc still retiring have reportedly been addressed.
    It would seem as though the scenarios you're describing should now be more possible under this new logic, as well...i.e. if a 40yo player is still solid enough, he should have a better chance of sticking around rather than simply getting aged out due to programming.
    I'm sure there will still be guys who slip through the cracks by real world standards and it's always possible that new issues could arise, but the new logic sounds a lot more fleshed out and realistic than before.
    thekidisback
    Why not both? This stream was the final one to convince me that 18 is not improved enough to warrant a purchase. I will continue with 17 and hope that 19 actually has things like the new right field stuff and Trout farm in LF in Anaheim stadium, a much better franchise with 3 team trades and more than 3 for 1 trades, contract extensions and much more. It's cool, I will just have to skip this year.

    I’m right there with ya. This is the first year in a decade that I haven’t pre-ordered the show. Thought today could change my mind but all it did was confirm my worry about the direction of this game. The point of my post wasn’t to defend the show.
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    BrianMcNulty11
    Wait did something about MiLB stats in franchise mode change, or is it just the same as it's been?
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    No its the same as its always been.
    countryboy
    The same way I have for years, by viewing their minor league stats during the season and using Sportscast manager. :)
    I will need to check out the Sportcast thing this year. It has been a while since I played franchise, so things are going to feel fresh to me.
    It would be nice if we had a prospect tracker in game with a click of a button on the franchise front-end. Maybe something they can add.
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    It's minor (although at the same time not) and they still very much have time to fix it, but they still haven't updated players potential. At just over an hour in you see Neris has potential D, Cesar Hernandez has C and so does Eikhoff, all well below their current rating and the same as what they were 2 years ago(Neris was a 70, but presumably got downgraded over the course of their save to a D). They need to update these, as they never did last year and it led to some farcical potentials, so the players who in real life were progressing the most were doomed to regress instead in Franchise (Jose Ramirez being a 91 overall but with potential C possibly being the most obvious example, or Rivero being a C as well)
    We can fix it ourselves in the editor, but really they should just take the hour or whatever it takes to got through and check that these potentials are in line with what they should be, otherwise it's just setting star players up to decline for no reason. It's an easy and quick fix that they could sort out with a day 1 roster update if need be
    Thankfully i don't care much about franchise so the missing features dont bother me. Most likely until the gameplay and presentation changes, it is likely i will just play games here and there and then sell off the game like per usual because the game feels the same every year.
    BigOscar
    It's minor (although at the same time not) and they still very much have time to fix it, but they still haven't updated players potential. At just over an hour in you see Neris has potential D, Cesar Hernandez has C and so does Eikhoff, all well below their current rating and the same as what they were 2 years ago(Neris was a 70, but presumably got downgraded over the course of their save to a D). They need to update these, as they never did last year and it led to some farcical potentials, so the players who in real life were progressing the most were doomed to regress instead in Franchise (Jose Ramirez being a 91 overall but with potential C possibly being the most obvious example, or Rivero being a C as well)
    We can fix it ourselves in the editor, but really they should just take the hour or whatever it takes to got through and check that these potentials are in line with what they should be, otherwise it's just setting star players up to decline for no reason. It's an easy and quick fix that they could sort out with a day 1 roster update if need be

    They did say rosters and ratings were not final, which is why Arrieta was not on the Phillies
    ninertravel
    They did say rosters and ratings were not final, which is why Arrieta was not on the Phillies

    Man you'd think the ratings would be final by now, the game is out in 8 days.
    DoTheSankeyLeg
    Man you'd think the ratings would be final by now, the game is out in 8 days.

    True I think the game is done, it's just the rosters that are not though probably the day 1 update. which might technically be on the 27th not 23rd, by then we can update it outselves
    ninertravel
    They did say rosters and ratings were not final, which is why Arrieta was not on the Phillies

    True, it's more that they didn't update the potentials last year that makes me think they might not have done it this year either.
    I'd also imagine despite them saying they aren't final, they pretty much will be at this point as production will surely have started (although they can obviously still change them with a downloadable roster update)
    EnigmaNemesis
    You have access to their financials, budgeting, and overhead? Do share.
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    $60 x 1,000,000 = $60,000,000 + what? maybe $10,000,000 in micro-transactions? I have no idea what they could make with 'em. There's no ceiling I guess.
    They take in at least $60,000,000 a year with the game. If they're struggling financially with that much money coming in yearly, I don't think they'd be competent enough to even make the quality of game they make, so..
    People don't need to see their books to know they come out on top every year. If they don't, they should focus on where they're wasting money.
    What I'm trying to say is: If they wanted something done, it WILL get done. They have enough money to throw at it.
    MLB14
    $60 x 1,000,000 = $60,000,000 + what? maybe $10,000,000 in micro-transactions? I have no idea what they could make with 'em. There's no ceiling I guess.
    They take in at least $60,000,000 a year with the game. If they're struggling financially with that much money coming in yearly, I don't think they'd be competent enough to even make the quality of game they make, so..
    People don't need to see their books to know they come out on top every year. If they don't, they should focus on where they're wasting money.
    What I'm trying to say is: If they wanted something done, it WILL get done. They have enough money to throw at it.
    No, lol.
    You have no idea how this works, and it is getting off topic anyhow.
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    It’s not enough, it’s a meh reaction in my view. Diamond Dynasty is their real push this year. They need to be careful their “E and A” are starting to show prominently in “SCEA”. Stop pushing Diamond Dynasty, it’s a nice distraction but you gained your customer base by realism and franchise mode.
    They have had a few years to make some changes, real changes, expansion, create a stadium, adjustable numbers of teams, leagues etc in Franchise mode.
    It isn’t enough
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    Another thing I love is the All star voting screen, rather then just show the top 3 votes they actually have a depth chart of who is leading the votes for the year I love that nice touch
    Flaxseed Oil
    Gonna stick with 17 until the price comes down on 18 - this feels like a 40 dollar upgrade, not a 60 dollar upgrade.

    And that's why I've got GCU :y1:
    I'm not sure how I feel about franchise this year.
    The new interface is cool, sure. I like it. They discussed certain improvements to logic, like closer logic and lineup logic. I like those things too. I would be more excited if they spent most of their time improving logic, but what I'm gathering after watching the stream is the majority of time was spent on designing their new interface.
    I saw glaring things like Stanton going on the trade block. Nolan Arenado was also on the block. i.e. theoretically untouchable players in real life being shopped. Jose Altuve left Houston in free agency too.
    I believe anything can happen in baseball, but these are a bit strange. We also didn't hear anything about player progression improvements. The whole stream was just phases. The whole thing.
    Creating stadiums in franchise would have been cool, and whatever other new thing folks wanted, but I would rather the nitty-gritty, under the hood stuff gets improved. And I haven't seen much of anything that suggests it has, to any substantial degree.
    Hoping I'm wrong.
    The phases implementation actually looks great, especially for players that were unsure of the complicated roster rules of baseball. But I am disappointed in how lackluster the stream was overall. The AI changes sound nice but I've been tricked before on AI improvements so I'll wait for the full game to judge those.
    Biggest complaint from me though is how bad those menus look for free agency and the resigning phase. A Polaroid picture with some crude lettering? It looks really lame. I also wish that there still was a screen that had all my players needing new contracts on it. I liked being able to see everyone at a specific position that needed a contract in one place, regardless of arbitration or contract renewal or qualifying offer. It really helped with judging where to put my money and who to let go. Oh well, maybe in the game there will be a menu like that for me in the off-season.
    tessl
    Question - do the cpu teams get the money from marketing/advertising or is it limited to user team? My impression from previous versions is the cpu team don't get it and I don't like gaining an unfair advantage so I never used it.
    I asked in the chat but didn't see it answered.

    Tessl,
    Last I heard its only specific to user teams as of MLB 17
    Cycloniac
    I'm not sure how I feel about franchise this year.
    The new interface is cool, sure. I like it. They discussed certain improvements to logic, like closer logic and lineup logic. I like those things too. I would be more excited if they spent most of their time improving logic, but what I'm gathering after watching the stream is the majority of time was spent on designing their new interface.
    I saw glaring things like Stanton going on the trade block. Nolan Arenado was also on the block. i.e. theoretically untouchable players in real life being shopped. Jose Altuve left Houston in free agency too.
    I believe anything can happen in baseball, but these are a bit strange. We also didn't hear anything about player progression improvements. The whole stream was just phases. The whole thing.
    Creating stadiums in franchise would have been cool, and whatever other new thing folks wanted, but I would rather the nitty-gritty, under the hood stuff gets improved. And I haven't seen much of anything that suggests it has, to any substantial degree.
    Hoping I'm wrong.

    It seems the logic in all sports games it's pretty screwed up. Devs just haven't got it figured out yet for whatever reason.
    But for the people that let's this drive them crazy, just play 30-team control. As long as a game features this like the Show does, then I don't worry too much about logic. Because I fell like it may never be what I want it to be.
    If a bad trade happens in 30- team control, you just simply reverse it. Or if you don't like anything in general, it's easy to fix. And for someone like me that only likes to use one team, it's easy enough to put the other 29 on auto and just focus on my team. And then when something strange happens, I just fix it.
    Another thing I started doing last year, is during FA if a stud like Harper signs with the A's or something, I just total up the teams that would normally have a chance to sign him, and do a RNG and the player goes to that team.
    I know ideally you wouldn't have to do 30-team but logic has never been good in sports video games. So by doing this, you can move passed it and simply enjoy the strong parts of the mode.
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