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Madden NFL 21 Releases on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S on December 4 - Franchise Mode Transfer Details Revealed

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Madden NFL 21 Releases on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S on December 4 - Franchise Mode Transfer Details Revealed

After weeks of silence, EA Sports finally made it official today. The next-gen version of Madden NFL 21 will release on December 4 on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S. The next-gen version of the game will include blazing fast load times, realistic and fluid player movement, authentic game day experiences inside stadiums and new player detail. Madden NFL 21 on PlayStation 5 will also feature new haptic technologies, via the new DualSense controller.

Check out some of the next-gen Madden NFL 21 features below, which were released back in June.

  • Controller Haptics – Sense the impact of shots, passes, catches, kicks, tackles, and hits with immersive controller haptics. A new DualSense controller on PlayStation 5 with rich and responsive haptic feedback deepens the gameplay experience letting you feel the rhythm of the game in your hands.
  • Blazing Fast Load Times – Faster load times get you in the game quicker than ever. Never lose focus as stadium environments will load with unprecedented speed, letting you get to the kick-off in seconds.
  • Deferred Lighting and Rendering – Authentic new environments, unlocked by a new deferred lighting system create ultra-realistic football experiences and player fidelity, enhancing the game in every part of the stadium.
  • Reimagined Player Bodies – Next-gen technology creates deeper definition in player physiques, while dynamic lighting accentuates details such as faces, hair, kits, and uniforms to take athletes to a whole new level of realism.
  • Spatialized Audio – Whether you’re running out of the tunnel in Atlanta or leaping into the stands in Green Bay, hear the spine-tingling roar of the stadium thanks to spatialized audio technology new to Madden that wraps around you for a completely immersive experience.
  • Stats-Driven Player Movement – Real-life athlete data feeds into the Madden animation engine to create fluid, athletic player movement when accelerating, running routes, and changing direction. Enhanced animation technology in FIFA enables you to experience ultra-responsive and realistic player movement.
  • Off-Ball Humanization – From adjusting shin pads in the 89th minute to screaming for passes in the endzone, player humanization unlocks the most authentic character behaviors ever seen in sports video games letting you see the detail and feel all the emotion of football at the highest level.
  • Exquisite Weather Detail – Mother Nature comes alive in Madden like never before. In stunning new detail, see standing water on rain-drenched sidelines and cold winter snow accumulate on the field. Visually enhanced weather conditions also affect cloth definition on athletes to match environmental variables.
  • Gameday Immersion – New contextual player, bench, and fan reactions let you feel the explosive passion of a last-minute winner or a game-clinching touchdown. And pre-game cinematics deliver an unprecedented matchday experience to immerse you in the sights and sounds of professional football.

Additional details on next-gen Madden NFL 21 will be revealed in the coming weeks.

Players who buy, or who have already bought, Madden NFL 21 for Xbox One and/or PlayStation 4 from now to the launch of Madden NFL 22, will receive the Xbox Series X|S and/or PlayStation 5 version of the game they’ve purchased for free when the game is released on December 4. Players can carry over their progress and content in Ultimate Team, The Yard and both Franchise modes in Madden NFL 21. Of note, physical discs purchasers will need to contact EA at help.ea.com to obtain an upgrade code for the discless consoles.

I asked EA PR if users are able to play the current-gen Madden NFL 21 on PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Series X until it officially arrives on December 4, and the answer was YES.

Franchise Mode Transfer Details

You can export multiple Franchise saves, for Classic and Face of the Franchise, to PlayStation 5 or Xbox Series X|S. You will still have your previous generation console save and can continue progress there, but if you want that to carry over any new previous generation progress it would be considered a new next gen import save. Each previous generation import would be a new next generation save. The export does happen directly from previous generation to next generation, with no external file or companion app needed. You can transfer online Franchise and Face of the Franchise (online-only mode). You cannot transfer offline classic Franchise.

Visit the Madden NFL 21 Dual Entitlement website for more information.

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  1. PhillyPhanatic14
    Do you have any info about whether we can play current gen Madden on next gen consoles until Dec 4th?
    I don't see why we wouldn't be able to
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    Less than an hour later, NBA 2K posts in-game footage of their next-gen release on twitter.
    Hopefully we get a peek here soon on Madden in the next couple of weeks.
    Offline gamers get the shaft as usual.
    Good thing I’ve learned my lesson from 12am midnight buys of the two previous consoles, never purchase the initial release console, as they always come with some type of issue, always!!!
    December release for just an visual upgrade.
    I’d rather get a nice hefty discount towards Madden 22 with all that Offline Franchise purchasers have been put through, then to see that “None” of that will carry over and we would have to start a new Franchise from scratch 😂
    SolidSquid
    If this is a port Madden is in trouble. NBA 2k21 next gen has 2 broadcast teams, what has EA been doing?

    That 2K gameplay they just released today is insane. Madden needs to step it up.
    jpdavis82
    EA just tweeted this, hopefully this means it’s not just a port.
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    I hope it’s more than just a resolution update. Their last trailer featuring next generation FIFA and Madden were clearly more than just resolution updates. The trailer looked fantastic, hopefully they show off the version and it looks great on the gameplay front.
    lions2k9
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA2K/status/1321091439657472011
    They added a second full commentator team. So when you start a game you’ll get one of the two teams. With 2k already have a third member guest drop in for every game, their audio for commentators blows Madden out of the water.

    Yeah i think they said in that video that they have 30 guest commentators that will randomly drop in for games. That's nuts. FIFA has multiple English commentary teams and teams in various languages as well. Madden has Charles Davis who is easily one of the worst commentators in football right now. Dude seems like a nice guy, but he is clueless on Sunday broadcasts. And their live commentary thing lasted what, like 2 years? Where has that been recently?
    All this to say... expectations for Madden are always set low because they don't care. It's like COD, they're going to make stupid money off mtx no matter how crappy the game is so they don't even try anymore.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Yeah i think they said in that video that they have 30 guest commentators that will randomly drop in for games. That's nuts. FIFA has multiple English commentary teams and teams in various languages as well. Madden has Charles Davis who is easily one of the worst commentators in football right now. Dude seems like a nice guy, but he is clueless on Sunday broadcasts. And their live commentary thing lasted what, like 2 years? Where has that been recently?
    All this to say... expectations for Madden are always set low because they don't care. It's like COD, they're going to make stupid money off mtx no matter how crappy the game is so they don't even try anymore.

    I agree. It would be nice if Madden would just add a sideline reporter. 2k now has two different sideline reporters.
    lions2k9
    I agree. It would be nice if Madden would just add a sideline reporter. 2k now has two different sideline reporters.

    It's funny to hear the 2K team talk about how many possibilities the new consoles create and then we see the next gen EA trailer from June where sidelines are the same as current gen - empty and generic.
    2K seems to just have a better team as well. The fact that it is taking the Madden devs 3 months just to release a tiny Franchise update is mindblowing. Everyone refers to that mid-November update like it's this benchmark for the game where we'll know if it's worth buying, but I don't think people honestly remember how little EA is including in that Franchise update. It's stuff that should be taking them a couple weeks to release, not multiple months.
    All that to say, if it takes them that long to implement tiny improvements, why would anyone expect next gen to be ground breaking? The current dev team has proven their ability and it's honestly just not good enough to keep pace with games like 2K that actually push videogames forward.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    It's funny to hear the 2K team talk about how many possibilities the new consoles create and then we see the next gen EA trailer from June where sidelines are the same as current gen - empty and generic.
    2K seems to just have a better team as well. The fact that it is taking the Madden devs 3 months just to release a tiny Franchise update is mindblowing. Everyone refers to that mid-November update like it's this benchmark for the game where we'll know if it's worth buying, but I don't think people honestly remember how little EA is including in that Franchise update. It's stuff that should be taking them a couple weeks to release, not multiple months.
    All that to say, if it takes them that long to implement tiny improvements, why would anyone expect next gen to be ground breaking? The current dev team has proven their ability and it's honestly just not good enough to keep pace with games like 2K that actually push videogames forward.

    I can’t disagree with you here. The franchise updates are bogus if the first update is any indication of what they’re adding. By the time all the updates are in the nfl regular season will be over. I played the trial and extended trial of madden and I’m glad I didn’t purchase this year. I’m holding out hope for M22 on next gen where it seems more focus will be on franchise mode, plus their small additions through updates this year. Hopefully it will be enough and they’ll surprise us with some real innovation.
    lions2k9
    I can’t disagree with you here. The franchise updates are bogus if the first update is any indication of what they’re adding. By the time all the updates are in the nfl regular season will be over. I played the trial and extended trial of madden and I’m glad I didn’t purchase this year. I’m holding out hope for M22 on next gen where it seems more focus will be on franchise mode, plus their small additions through updates this year. Hopefully it will be enough and they’ll surprise us with some real innovation.

    I wish I was as smart as you lol. I played the trial and got psyched about the game so i bought it but lost all interest after 50 hours or so in the game and haven't touched it since september. It just isn't good enough to be worth my time this year. I'm hoping for a next gen boost this year to give it a little juice but my expectations are extremely low. Hopefully next year will be a good year. Madden 15 was an insane improvement over M25 on current gen.
    SolidSquid
    If this is a port Madden is in trouble. NBA 2k21 next gen has 2 broadcast teams, what has EA been doing?

    Adding the greek freak & his brother to the yard lol. Where have you been?
    khaliib
    Offline gamers get the shaft as usual.
    Good thing I’ve learned my lesson from 12am midnight buys of the two previous consoles, never purchase the initial release console, as they always come with some type of issue, always!!!
    December release for just an visual upgrade.
    I’d rather get a nice hefty discount towards Madden 22 with all that Offline Franchise purchasers have been put through, then to see that “None” of that will carry over and we would have to start a new Franchise from scratch

    Completely and utterly ridiculous. Offline is always overshadowed who wants to start a new franchise in December. Wow
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    Americas Team
    It appears that EAs Dual Entitlement and Xbox's Smart Delivery are different. Wonder what the difference is?

    Dual Entitlement - You get current gen & next gen for the same price
    Smart Delivery - If you're playing on current gen, Xbox will download the current gen version for you automatically. If you're playing on next gen, it'll download the next gen version for you automatically. Essentially, the Xbox takes the guess work out of it so you're always playing the best available version of the game.
    The EA Madden team is even struggling to do a port to next-gen... All it will end up being is Madden current-gen with slightly better graphics and presentation. If it was a massively overhauled game like NBA2k they wouldn't be giving it as a free upgrade. Madden is going to disappoint the community massively twice in 1 year.
    Americas Team
    The new versions of the games will, according to a press release, add "blazing fast load times, the most realistic, fluid player movement ever in EA SPORTS titles, authentic game day experiences inside stadiums and new player detail unlocked by deferred rendering and lighting." The PS5 versions will also add haptic feedback using the DualSense controller.
    https://www.ign.com/articles/madden-...xt-gen-version

    I'm VERY interested to hear more about the player movement. When people still tout APF over Madden, that's the primary thing they talk about.
    Hopefully, they finally get it right for next gen. Madden 19's beta had great player movement before the MUT and competitive fanboys complained.
    lions2k9
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA2K/status/1321091439657472011
    They added a second full commentator team. So when you start a game you’ll get one of the two teams. With 2k already having a third member guest drop in for every game, their audio for commentators blows Madden out of the water.

    This is why it is laughable when people try and point out how 2k is just as bad as EA these days. They aren't close and they haven't been close at all. 2k's had years where they didn't get as much done as fans had hoped, but their worst years still implement more changes for one aspect of the game than Madden gets for the entire game in its best year.
    NBA 2k caught up to Madden despite the NBA being a less popular league this generation. I won't be surprised one bit if NBA 2k is the premier sports game not named Fifa moving forward with the new consoles. 2k clearly is taking advantage of the new hardware and isn't afraid of innovation nor are they reluctant to improve aspects that don't feed into microtransactions. Madden on the other hand...
    canes21
    This is why it is laughable when people try and point out how 2k is just as bad as EA these days. They aren't close and they haven't been close at all. 2k's had years where they didn't get as much done as fans had hoped, but their worst years still implement more changes for one aspect of the game than Madden gets for the entire game in its best year.
    NBA 2k caught up to Madden despite the NBA being a less popular league this generation. I won't be surprised one bit if NBA 2k is the premier sports game not named Fifa moving forward with the new consoles. 2k clearly is taking advantage of the new hardware and isn't afraid of innovation nor are they reluctant to improve aspects that don't feed into microtransactions. Madden on the other hand...

    Couldn’t agree more. 2k fans bash their game but man I wish Madden had half of their features and options. Forget about NBA catching up, NHL has not only caught up it has surpassed Madden in Franchise and career mode, in my opinion.
    SolidSquid
    If this is a port Madden is in trouble. NBA 2k21 next gen has 2 broadcast teams, what has EA been doing?

    Yeah, if they don't make a better game then people will just play all those other nfl games.
    wait a minute that didn't sound right...
    It's the same with The Show. So many die hard Show fans bash it at every turn, but in reality, while the franchise mode needs love like Madden, the game might be the closest representation of it's sport in on-field gameplay.
    Madden has to step up this gen. We know that they don't need to innovate as much because of their sales and microtransactions, but it's not gonna be a good look to be the worst sports game on the next-gen consoles.
    So as crazy as it sounds, I think they will improve the game immensely throughout the next generation.
    Americas Team
    The new versions of the games will, according to a press release, add "blazing fast load times, the most realistic, fluid player movement ever in EA SPORTS titles, authentic game day experiences inside stadiums and new player detail unlocked by deferred rendering and lighting." The PS5 versions will also add haptic feedback using the DualSense controller.
    https://www.ign.com/articles/madden-...xt-gen-version

    If they actually deliver on this and its not some half effort, I would be satisfied with Madden 21 next gen. These are the areas I feel need the most work as far as on field. Of course line play must be rebuilt too.
    dvdsaba
    The EA Madden team is even struggling to do a port to next-gen... All it will end up being is Madden current-gen with slightly better graphics and presentation. If it was a massively overhauled game like NBA2k they wouldn't be giving it as a free upgrade. Madden is going to disappoint the community massively twice in 1 year.

    This. Think about it. This is an EA game. They sell tons of copies of Madden every year. Why would they offer a free upgrade to next gen? If this was an overhauled game they would be charging all of us the full price.
    My expectations are low and I'm not expecting anything revolutionary with Madden. However, I could be wrong and they could surprise us with something special. Let's see what happens in December.
    I asked EA PR if users are able to play the current-gen Madden NFL 21 on PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Series X until it officially arrives on December 4, and the answer was YES.
    Steve_OS
    I asked EA PR if users are able to play the current-gen Madden NFL 21 on PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Series X until it officially arrives on December 4, and the answer was YES.

    Thanks for asking Steve. Although good news to some, I was afraid of this. Feels like we are going to get a hi-res port fellas. IJS. "living worlds" sounded amazing too.
    Think fans will be in for a letdown. EA overuses vague statements so much it is as if they explicitly said "its a port with graphic and load times upgraded"
    kjcheezhead
    I like the December 4th release. If Madden goes on sale Black Friday like usual you can get a next gen copy for $25. Its possible I could convince myself to pull the trigger for that price.
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    Amazon had it for $30 last week. It’s gone back up now but I’m sure they’ll have it for that price black friday
    bransen
    This. Think about it. This is an EA game. They sell tons of copies of Madden every year. Why would they offer a free upgrade to next gen? If this was an overhauled game they would be charging all of us the full price.
    My expectations are low and I'm not expecting anything revolutionary with Madden. However, I could be wrong and they could surprise us with something special. Let's see what happens in December.

    What if we're actually paying for the next gen version and the current gent version is what we're getting for free, lol.
    All this emphasis on load times is getting a bit annoying. Am I the only one who doesn’t think load times are THAT big of a deal. If I have time to play video games....I got time to wait 1-2 minutes for the game to load right?
    canes21
    This is why it is laughable when people try and point out how 2k is just as bad as EA these days. They aren't close and they haven't been close at all. 2k's had years where they didn't get as much done as fans had hoped, but their worst years still implement more changes for one aspect of the game than Madden gets for the entire game in its best year.
    NBA 2k caught up to Madden despite the NBA being a less popular league this generation. I won't be surprised one bit if NBA 2k is the premier sports game not named Fifa moving forward with the new consoles. 2k clearly is taking advantage of the new hardware and isn't afraid of innovation nor are they reluctant to improve aspects that don't feed into microtransactions. Madden on the other hand...

    2K may fail on any given installment but I feel that the company tries. It doesn’t always work but the effort is there. Same with SCEA and the Show.
    I can’t say the same for Madden. The game is lifeless. All it has going for it is the NFL shield.
    My 12 year old son and his friends have definitely gravitated towards NBA 2k. My son even says that Madden is literally the same game he remembers from the last 1-2 years. I tell him, try the last 15 years. When he asks, why do you still buy it? My answer is (1) I love playing with him and (2) I like the NFL. Unfortunately, I feel like I pay for a month of gaming at best.
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    inoticeotis30
    All this emphasis on load times is getting a bit annoying. Am I the only one who doesn’t think load times are THAT big of a deal. If I have time to play video games....I got time to wait 1-2 minutes for the game to load right?

    That was my thought... and then I saw the 2K gameplay from today where they literally hit the start game button and immediately you're in the area. No delay at all. It was sick. Again, EA likely isn't going to execute at the level that 2K are, but what they did is sick.
    Next Gen features sound good on paper. However, if they still don't have refs on the field, real player sidelines, players still clipping through bodies after tackles, the ball still ghosting through stadium walls, etc. it will be a fail.
    I really hope they addressed a lot of their legacy issues, improved player physics & collision detection post play. Please don't let us down EA.
    JKSportsGamer1984
    Next Gen features sound good on paper. However, if they still don't have refs on the field, real player sidelines, players still clipping through bodies after tackles, the ball still ghosting through stadium walls, etc. it will be a fail.
    I really hope they addressed a lot of their legacy issues, improved player physics & collision detection post play. Please don't let us down EA.

    Prepare for a fail. When was the last time EA has not let us down? Madden PS4 gen was a complete waste. Their leadership is clueless and even what they deliver is broken.
    inoticeotis30
    All this emphasis on load times is getting a bit annoying. Am I the only one who doesn’t think load times are THAT big of a deal. If I have time to play video games....I got time to wait 1-2 minutes for the game to load right?
    I'm playing on PC and let me tell you, there is NO time to get refreshments or use bathroom with fast load times
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    My question is how many patches is it going to take before they fix most the bugs you know that are going to come up with their inexperience with with the next gen...will take a few months like the current gen usually does?
    Mike Lowe
    Maybe I'm just old, but that trailer was a lot of shine and very little substance.

    If you are referring to 2k, then I kind of fall into the same camp as you. It looked great and I expected that; but I wasn't blown away...and to be honest the on court gameplay looked like typical 2k basketball. Anybody who has spent time playing 2k over the years know exactly what that means. It very well could be old age creeping in. It also may be that I just don't feel the same about pro sports as I once did...exception being MLB(Braves broke my heart again). With that being said, they are still miles and miles ahead of EA and Madden.
    Honestly I think they had every intention to release the game with the launch of next gen but the whole #fixmaddenfranchise debacle sort of derailed that. It sucks not to have a football game at launch but if it means a better product I’m all for it.
    Besides it doesn’t make sense to release the franchise fixes after launch. Now they have time to promote their franchise fixes, then dive into next gen promotion.
    TarHeelPhenom
    If you are referring to 2k, then I kind of fall into the same camp as you. It looked great and I expected that; but I wasn't blown away...and to be honest the on court gameplay looked like typical 2k basketball. Anybody who has spent time playing 2k over the years know exactly what that means. It very well could be old age creeping in. It also may be that I just don't feel the same about pro sports as I once did...exception being MLB(Braves broke my heart again). With that being said, they are still miles and miles ahead of EA and Madden.
    I was referring to the Madden trailer.
    Madden 21 has been a disaster. I hope this delay allows them extra time to get Madden 21 Next Gen to actually improve the overall game but I'm extremely skeptical at this point. I don't view it as a good sign at all for the next gen version of the game to be delayed at this point. And the fact we've yet to see any true gameplay videos is also troubling.
    The plus side is the upgrade is it is free for those of us with the current gen version so I'll be upgrading it when I can (since I've already secured my PS5 at launch.) If I'm wrong and this allows them to fix things and we get a great experience out of Madden 21 next gen I'll be very happy. If not, at least I won't be surprised.
    thescoop
    Madden 21 has been a disaster. I hope this delay allows them extra time to get Madden 21 Next Gen to actually improve the overall game but I'm extremely skeptical at this point. I don't view it as a good sign at all for the next gen version of the game to be delayed at this point. And the fact we've yet to see any true gameplay videos is also troubling.
    The plus side is the upgrade is it is free for those of us with the current gen version so I'll be upgrading it when I can (since I've already secured my PS5 at launch.) If I'm wrong and this allows them to fix things and we get a great experience out of Madden 21 next gen I'll be very happy. If not, at least I won't be surprised.

    The little glimmer of light here may deal with the 1st Update/Patch they do for the game on the new consoles.
    The sole premise will be based off of actually improving the gameplay of the game and not so much tweaking to meet the desires of any certain community.
    Might be the one single moment where “Football” replication has liberty to lead before falling back into community norms.
    khaliib
    The little glimmer of light here may deal with the 1st Update/Patch they do for the game on the new consoles.
    The sole premise will be based off of actually improving the gameplay of the game and not so much tweaking to meet the desires of any certain community.
    Might be the one single moment where “Football” replication has liberty to lead before falling back into community norms.

    I really do hope they get it right on next gen, even if it is the 22 version before we truly get it. I have a bad feeling this year's next gen offering will be a more of "patched" feel than anything new.
    Does anyone know how they'll handle online franchises where some users have the next gen console and others have current gen? I assume they won't handle it, but curious if anyone has seen anything.
    Thanks!
    Kanobi
    Lol! I'm sorry but "Reimagined Player Bodies"*and*"Off-Ball Humanization" crack me up.*

    AKA, its the SAME player models from the previous 10+ years and HEY, the players will adjust their thigh pads while clipping through any other player around them!! REALISM!!!
    In all seriousness, I hope they prove me wrong and the "next" gen version of '21 is an actual improvement. I realistically expect a buggy mess, though.
    Kanobi
    Lol! I'm sorry but "Reimagined Player Bodies"*and*"Off-Ball Humanization" crack me up.*

    Yea. It's sad that outside of the faster load times, nothing that is being promised for the next-gen releases was anything the current hardware was limiting them from achieving. I know the load times will be quicker, that's a product of the new systems themselves and not really EA doing an excellent job. Everything else they are talking about are just phrases that the marketing team thought up to get some excitement around the launch. However, EA's track record makes it completely appropriate for everyone to expect nothing until EA shows they can do something that is truly worth celebrating.
    The Madden series has seen such little growth over the last 15 years now that there is not really any reason to expect them to suddenly knock it out of the park.
    Artman22
    Keep your expectations low and you won’t be too disappointed.

    Problem is, that was my approach for Franchise mode improvements for 21. We all know how that turned out.
    EA is all about marketing so I know it will look better graphically, but expecting nothing more than that outside of the load times.
    dvdsaba
    Prepare for a fail. When was the last time EA has not let us down? Madden PS4 gen was a complete waste. Their leadership is clueless and even what they deliver is broken.

    Remember when they used to claim that something hadn't been added because they wanted to do it right? LOL...
    RogerDodger
    Remember when they used to claim that something hadn't been added because they wanted to do it right? LOL...

    That's apparently why it's taking 3 months for them to add literally the smallest changes ever to franchise right now... such a joke.
    jmurphy31
    And 2k today said they will have a WNBA my career and franchise mode in the game. Just crazy, how much they have stepped up...

    That's completely insane. Madden has to neglect everything to add a tiny extra mode like the Yard, but 2K is out here adding insane graphics, eliminating load times, adding an entirely new commentary team, and two massive additions to big time modes. It would take the Madden devs like 4 years to add all of that to the game. EA doesn't even care though. They're bringing in stupid money regardless of how underdeveloped and buggy their game is.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    That's completely insane. Madden has to neglect everything to add a tiny extra mode like the Yard, but 2K is out here adding insane graphics, eliminating load times, adding an entirely new commentary team, and two massive additions to big time modes. It would take the Madden devs like 4 years to add all of that to the game. EA doesn't even care though. They're bringing in stupid money regardless of how underdeveloped and buggy their game is.

    Agreed. And a 3 on 3 wnba online mode...So they hit all 3 areas. Offline, online and create a player...plus adding a 2nd commentating crew and guest analysts.
    lions2k9
    https://www.operationsports.com/nba-2k21-next-gen-features-wnba-myplayer-experience-fully-customizable-wnba-franchise-mode-online-leagues-much-more/
    Here’s the article about the details from 2k. They now have multiple franchise and career modes in their game. I could never expect Tiburon to put this much work into releasing M20 on current gen and this many improvements for their next gen release months later. Big props over to 2k for pushing it.
    We now have a wnba franchise mode better than anything maddens ever done. Funny and sad.
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    XtremeDunkz
    We now have a wnba franchise mode better than anything maddens ever done. Funny and sad.
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    Lol Well to be fair I was a big fan of Madden 05 and 06 as far as franchise mode went. But yeah, in the last 15 years I agree.
    This is why I didn’t understand when people try to compare 2k to EA. 2k has definitely gotten greedy with their my player stuff and micro transactions but can never be compared to EA. EA isn’t interested in offering a quality game.
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    XtremeDunkz
    We now have a wnba franchise mode better than anything maddens ever done. Funny and sad.
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    Yup very crazy. 2K fans are spoiled. It could be worse. They could have EA developing their game, which they don't care or have the right leadership/developers to make a quality product. 2Ks MyCareer and MyGM has 100x more features and way fewer glitches and now they support WNBA...
    Features off the top of my head that 2K has that Madden franchise players would love:
    - Coaching carousel
    - Face editor in custom draft classes
    - Game face
    - Create a team
    - 100x better stat tracker, career stats, records, award winners, championships, finals MVP...
    - Way more immersion and presentation (multiple announcers and guess announcers)
    - Custom league rules
    - Realistic contracts
    - League realignment
    - Morale system
    - Mock drafts
    - In-depth scouting with college stats on a player
    - Summer league (minicamp for NFL)
    - a logical offseason
    - In-depth injury system
    - In-depth free agency (things like money or location or winning impacts a players decision to sign)
    - More accurate stats in sim engine
    - Having the ability to edit a players name and for the name to still say during commentary (crazy that it's 2020 and Madden still has this broken)
    Now EA is clearly struggling just to launch a port of Madden 21 next-gen (they don't want it going head to head with 2K also). Depressing to think what NFL gaming would be if 2K got the license. Madden is essentially NBA Live and would be dropped if gamers had a choice. And i use to prefer Madden over 2K back around 2005 but they have been a disaster on PS3 and PS4 and probably on PS5...
    dvdsaba
    Yup very crazy. 2K fans are spoiled. It could be worse. They could have EA developing their game, which they don't care or have the right leadership/developers to make a quality product. 2Ks MyCareer and MyGM has 100x more features and way fewer glitches and now they support WNBA...
    Features off the top of my head that 2K has that Madden franchise players would love:
    - Coaching carousel
    - Face editor in custom draft classes
    - Game face
    - Create a team
    - 100x better stat tracker, career stats, records, award winners, championships, finals MVP...
    - Way more immersion and presentation (multiple announcers and guess announcers)
    - Custom league rules
    - Realistic contracts
    - League realignment
    - Morale system
    - Mock drafts
    - In-depth scouting with college stats on a player
    - Summer league (minicamp for NFL)
    - a logical offseason
    - In-depth injury system
    - In-depth free agency (things like money or location or winning impacts a player decides to sign)
    - More accurate stats in sim engine
    - Having the ability to edit a players name and for the name to still say during commentary (crazy that it's 2020 and Madden still has this broken)
    Now EA is clearly struggling just to launch a port of Madden 21 next-gen (they don't want it going head to head with 2K also). Depressing to think what NFL gaming would be if 2K got the license. Madden is essentially NBA Live and would be dropped if gamers had a choice. And i use to prefer Madden over 2K back around 2005 but they have been a disaster on PS3 and PS4 and probably on PS5...
    This was so sad, but oh so true.
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    canes21
    Yea. It's sad that outside of the faster load times, nothing that is being promised for the next-gen releases was anything the current hardware was limiting them from achieving. I know the load times will be quicker, that's a product of the new systems themselves and not really EA doing an excellent job. Everything else they are talking about are just phrases that the marketing team thought up to get some excitement around the launch. However, EA's track record makes it completely appropriate for everyone to expect nothing until EA shows they can do something that is truly worth celebrating.
    The Madden series has seen such little growth over the last 15 years now that there is not really any reason to expect them to suddenly knock it out of the park.

    Deferred lighting & rendering is something that can only be achieved on next gen, I believe it's a type of Ray Tracing. Lighting can make a big difference on how a game looks. Stats-driven player movement is the feature I'm most interested in hearing more about.
    Americas Team
    Deferred lighting & rendering is something that can only be achieved on next gen, I believe it's a type of Ray Tracing. Lighting can make a big difference on how a game looks. Stats-driven player movement is the feature I'm most interested in hearing more about.

    Ray tracing is what you are referring to. I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Lighting isn't what ANYBODY at Tiburon needs to be focusing on.
    scratchdidthis
    Ray tracing is what you are referring to. I think I speak for everyone here when I say. Lighting isn't what ANYBODY at Tiburon needs to be focusing on.

    This sums up the Madden devs at this point... 2K focused on lighting and gameplay and graphics and load times and added multiple new modes. But we all know that the Madden team is incapable of executing multiple things well. They have proven that if their focus was on lighting the rest of the game wouldn't get touched cuz that's too much work for them.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    This sums up the Madden devs at this point... 2K focused on lighting and gameplay and graphics and load times and added multiple new modes. But we all know that the Madden team is incapable of executing multiple things well. They have proven that if their focus was on lighting the rest of the game wouldn't get touched cuz that's too much work for them.

    I don't think it's the Devs more so the suits. I believe devs are being told to focus on monetary features > innovation. That back of the box mentality has Madden where it is today.
    scratchdidthis
    I don't think it's the Devs more so the suits. I believe devs are being told to focus on monetary features > innovation. That back of the box mentality has Madden where it is today.

    That's a popular line around here but i just don't buy it anymore. It's taking them 3 months to add minimal features to Franchise. 3 freaking months. Those devs are not selling mtx in the yard or mut. It's not a directive from the higher ups to go slow so MUT and the Yard will sell more. It's them being slow and lacking the talent of other studios.
    From a zoomed out view, yes the higher ups clearly aren't investing the profits they're making into the game the way they need to and clearly they set the focus on other modes more than cfm. But gameplay, load times, graphics, getting rid of bugs, etc are things that affect the mtx modes and yet Madden still lags behind greatly in all of those areas. Again, that comes down to competence/talent and what we're seeing is a major deficit with this studio in those areas in comparison to many others.
    Madden 21 next gen freebie patch will concentrate on visuals. Ray tracing (deferred lighting) is just another lighting method that uses hardware to calculate the rays and where they make shadows. Its not just a baked in method done by software like it is now. Even so, using the AMD RDNA 2 graphics chip in both the PS5 and XSX will make it a breeze to accomplish. So then EA is promising more defined player bodies and better textures for the crowds/field/sidelines? They are promising new dynamic and ultra realistic weather. These are all neat graphics tricks that PC's have had for a while now. I want to see the BIG improvement in "stats driven player movement", are they implying new locomotion for every player driven by his stats? WTF does that mean? If ever there was some snake oil for sale, this is it! At least they are promising PS5 owners new haptic feedback via the PS5 controller. What that implies is a big mystery. Will the direction stick or speed burst button get firmer when a player is tired? Too bad EA is hiding this next level update and any real news.
    Artman22
    Keep your expectations low and you won’t be too disappointed.
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    Madden is the only game I have no expectations anymore and I still get disappointed. Disappointed in myself for giving EA my money!
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    jrivera34
    Madden is the only game I have no expectations anymore and I still get disappointed. Disappointed in myself for giving EA my money!
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    I hear you. Every year I say I won’t buy it then end up buying it when it goes on sale just to play some of my friends online. I usually buy it around Black Friday for $30 and I game share so I really only pay $15 for it.
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    I want to see these new realistic player movements they’re talking about. Maybe one day we can have non canned tackling animations.
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    scratchdidthis
    I don't think it's the Devs more so the suits. I believe devs are being told to focus on monetary features > innovation. That back of the box mentality has Madden where it is today.

    When you have devs on Twitter insulting community members calling them clowns, and suggesting because John Madden oks the game so it must be good then yea I definitely place some blame on the devs. We’re clowns because they cant just snap their fingers and put stuff back into the game that was previously there even though we’ve been asking for these things for a decade plus.
    brobamigo
    Amazon had it for $30 last week. It’s gone back up now but I’m sure they’ll have it for that price black friday

    I saw it for $30 and couldn’t pull the trigger. Even at $25 I may not grab it but I like that the option will probably be there
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    m1ke_nyc
    When you have devs on Twitter insulting community members calling them clowns, and suggesting because John Madden oks the game so it must be good then yea I definitely place some blame on the devs. We’re clowns because they cant just snap their fingers and put stuff back into the game that was previously there even though we’ve been asking for these things for a decade plus.

    Their developers are just as incompetent as their leadership. Most things the developers focus on are broken also and lack attention to detail. This game is a dumpster fire when compared to 2k.
    Artman22
    I want to see these new realistic player movements they’re talking about. Maybe one day we can have non canned tackling animations.
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    I often wonder how far away we are in the tech world to where AI can be given behaviors, goals, and more and behave in an organic way. Instead of creating tackling animations, how far away are we from the AI knowing that it needs to bring the ball carrier to the ground and it has been taught in some way to tackle in realistic fashion via wrapping up, hitting hard, taking out the legs, etc.
    The last 10+ years of gaming have all been about graphics and more graphics. AI in the video game world has hardly gotten any attention. Ai in the tech world is becoming the thing. I hope that the advances we are seeing now and hope to see soon trickle into video games so that we can finally have it be a realistic possibility where the AI is actually thinking and behaving in an organic fashion related to football and things are no longer canned.
    AI is already getting incredibly smart these days. AI is learning how to behave contextually and adapt on the fly. AI is so much better than humans at doing things like that too, which is terrifying at times.
    It's not out unrealistic at all to think of AI being programmed for each position to know how to play them more technically sound. No more canned WR/DB animations. It will be possible for AI to be taught what press coverage means in a sense and it will be taught how to properly counter when a WR goes inside, outside, etc. It will be taught how to position itself properly in all situations. That is all something that will be possible, the question is when will it become realistic for that type of AI to be put into sports games and when will we have the processing power to be able to have 22+ unique individuals on the field thinking and behaving in real time following proper football mechanics.
    Sad thing is, all the best technology for A.I in the world won't help the fact that EA has a monopoly on NFL simulation football. Apparently EA couldn't care less if the game is sound fundamentally, they couldn't care less if the game is immersive and deep in the areas it should be. With zero competition to drive them to innovate and produce an impressive title they can just relax and keep releasing the same old worn out flawed Madden, whether it be current gen or next gen consoles they can push the same old patched game out the door. What EA is striving for is maximizing profits and releasing modes of the game that push upgrades and add-ons that cost money. They have gone from being a video game company with an NFL license to a video game casino, throw cash at Madden and buy meaningless crap that has nothing to do with Simulation NFL football.
    I feel like A.I as much as we want it to advance, it’s a tricky one. Because you don’t want the game to feel “cheap” or feel like you as the player is being “cheated on.” It’s a tricky one to get right. Because if all of a sudden the AI starts calling audibles to all the plays I’m running, then it feels like I’m being cheated.
    But I agree that the games overall AI needs to be upgraded. Defenders need to take better pursuit angles. AI QBs need to be more decisive.
    marshallfever
    I feel like A.I as much as we want it to advance, it’s a tricky one. Because you don’t want the game to feel “cheap” or feel like you as the player is being “cheated on.” It’s a tricky one to get right. Because if all of a sudden the AI starts calling audibles to all the plays I’m running, then it feels like I’m being cheated.

    I'll gladly try that on for size for awhile.
    Can you imagine an opponent actually adjusting to your playcalls or personnel? Using their own personnel correctly? Being able execute a defense properly? Zone coverage ACTUALLY working?
    Everything feels canned at this point. All-Madden is blatant CPU cheating, and the animations are horrid and unrealistic. That is as cheap as it gets.
    XtremeDunkz
    The NBA 2k next gen franchise blog dropped today. They once again embarrassed madden.
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    Yeah I just read it, I mean, what do you even say if you’re EA?
    XtremeDunkz
    The NBA 2k next gen franchise blog dropped today. They once again embarrassed madden.
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    Maddens posting about new gear for the yard, and 2K blogging about a totally new experience with NBA 2k , smh
    XtremeDunkz
    The NBA 2k next gen franchise blog dropped today. They once again embarrassed madden.
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    How do these people have jobs? Like for real. I'm not trying to come at anybody, but the entire Madden studio looks pathetic right now. If 2K costs $70 then Madden should cost $10. It's basically a mobile game in comparison.
    And possibly the most depressing thing about this is that 2K has remade the entire game from the ground up, while Madden has already admitted that Franchise is not getting remade. They showed their hand this summer with that blog talking about how little they're doing to Madden 21 and how little they plan to do with Franchise in Madden 22. If they were recreating the mode for Next Gen, they would have said it then. But it's not going to happen. It sucks that such a lazy studio is in charge of the only licensed video game for the best sport in the world. I am not even a fan of basketball videogames, but I'm buying 2K when I get my next gen console because it looks incredible. Meanwhile, the only licensed game for my favorite sport is filled with bugs and outdated modes and the studio has already said they have no plans to do any thing substantial about it. It's crazy.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    How do these people have jobs? Like for real. I'm not trying to come at anybody, but the entire Madden studio looks pathetic right now. If 2K costs $70 then Madden should cost $10. It's basically a mobile game in comparison.
    I feel like the 2 of us have been ranting about this for a couple years now. We've long enjoyed the game. But the sheer neglect of franchise in recent years compared to other games is just outright tone-deaf, and it's starting to aggravate even the series's longtime loyalists.
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    scitychamps87
    I feel like the 2 of us have been ranting about this for a couple years now. We've long enjoyed the game. But the sheer neglect of franchise in recent years compared to other games is just outright tone-deaf, and it's starting to aggravate even the series's longtime loyalists.
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    I just don't get it at this point. How can they be proud of their work when they see what 2K is doing?
    Madden has to get a whole new team. They dont know how to do what we want them to its simple. People just pass it off as the suits but its becoming clear what the issue is
    PhillyPhanatic14
    I just don't get it at this point. How can they be proud of their work when they see what 2K is doing?

    That’s the thing. I don’t think they care. They just make a game get paid and keep it moving. Quality isn’t what’s important.
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    TarHeelPhenom
    Man, if you haven't read 2k's Next Gen Franchise Mode(myNBA), do yourself a favor and don't read it. The only thing it'll do is piss you off while daydreaming about having a football Franchise Mode like it. It's ridiculous!! Hope Madden brings the heat with their Franchise Mode.
    https://nba.2k.com/courtside-report/nba-2k21-next-gen-mynba-courtside-report/

    Madden has no shot in topping this. They wont even try neither. Tbh 2k could have kept the same franchise mode and still been 10x better than what madden will out out
    TarHeelPhenom
    Man, if you haven't read 2k's Next Gen Franchise Mode(myNBA), do yourself a favor and don't read it. The only thing it'll do is piss you off while daydreaming about having a football Franchise Mode like it. It's ridiculous!! Hope Madden brings the heat with their Franchise Mode.
    https://nba.2k.com/courtside-report/nba-2k21-next-gen-mynba-courtside-report/

    I like how you said do yourself a favor and don't read it yet provided a link! :)
    I read it. I wish I hadn't. Exclusivity sucks and clearly as long they have it and Madden is a cash cow the EA suits aren't going to innovate like this. Makes me want to cry.
    I'm not getting a next gen machine anytime soon and this just reinforces that decision. I like NBA but it's not my favorite like NFL football and Baseball. Speaking of baseball....this is the year that MLB the show is branching out to Xbox and PC gaming. Any idea if they'll be adding these types of feature and more importantly to me....will the PC version be next gen or stuck with a PS4/Xbox One port?
    Artman22
    Something tells me we’re going to be extremely disappointed come December 4th.
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    Can't be disappointed if you don't have expectations!
    (notice I didn't say high expectations. Like expectations, any expectations at all lol)
    Artman22
    That’s the thing. I don’t think they care. They just make a game get paid and keep it moving. Quality isn’t what’s important.
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    They don't need to care. The game sells and on all accounts does what they want it to do. Sales are up year over year according to their last quarterly report.
    That's all that matters to anyone, and quite frankly, for a business, it's all that should matter.
    They don't care about our segment. It is what it is. The sooner everyone accepts that they will be better off.
    kehlis
    They don't need to care. The game sells and on all accounts does what they want it to do. Sales are up year over year according to their last quarterly report.
    That's all that matters to anyone, and quite frankly, for a business, it's all that should matter.
    They don't care about our segment. It is what it is. The sooner everyone accepts that they will be better off.

    Too bad their audience won't act in kind.
    kehlis
    Can't be disappointed if you don't have expectations!
    (notice I didn't say high expectations. Like expectations, any expectations at all lol)
    They don't need to care. The game sells and on all accounts does what they want it to do. Sales are up year over year according to their last quarterly report.
    That's all that matters to anyone, and quite frankly, for a business, it's all that should matter.
    They don't care about our segment. It is what it is. The sooner everyone accepts that they will be better off.

    Folks aren't going to accept it, they are just going to post about their disappointment and talk about what 2K is doing in comparison Ad nauseam. I guess it's some vain attempt to "shame" EA Tiburon into fundamentally changing their development methodology for the Franchise, or maybe it's just pointless venting as a therapeutic endeavor.
    canes21
    I often wonder how far away we are in the tech world to where AI can be given behaviors, goals, and more and behave in an organic way. Instead of creating tackling animations, how far away are we from the AI knowing that it needs to bring the ball carrier to the ground and it has been taught in some way to tackle in realistic fashion via wrapping up, hitting hard, taking out the legs, etc.
    The last 10+ years of gaming have all been about graphics and more graphics. AI in the video game world has hardly gotten any attention. Ai in the tech world is becoming the thing. I hope that the advances we are seeing now and hope to see soon trickle into video games so that we can finally have it be a realistic possibility where the AI is actually thinking and behaving in an organic fashion related to football and things are no longer canned.
    AI is already getting incredibly smart these days. AI is learning how to behave contextually and adapt on the fly. AI is so much better than humans at doing things like that too, which is terrifying at times.
    It's not out unrealistic at all to think of AI being programmed for each position to know how to play them more technically sound. No more canned WR/DB animations. It will be possible for AI to be taught what press coverage means in a sense and it will be taught how to properly counter when a WR goes inside, outside, etc. It will be taught how to position itself properly in all situations. That is all something that will be possible, the question is when will it become realistic for that type of AI to be put into sports games and when will we have the processing power to be able to have 22+ unique individuals on the field thinking and behaving in real time following proper football mechanics.

    Maybe one day haha
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    TarHeelPhenom
    Man, if you haven't read 2k's Next Gen Franchise Mode(myNBA), do yourself a favor and don't read it. The only thing it'll do is piss you off while daydreaming about having a football Franchise Mode like it. It's ridiculous!! Hope Madden brings the heat with their Franchise Mode.
    https://nba.2k.com/courtside-report/nba-2k21-next-gen-mynba-courtside-report/

    That is absolutely insane and makes me feel so, so saddened with the state of Madden's franchise. Madden comes off like a free-to-play mobile game when matched up with that level of attentiveness.
    It would truly be so amazing to have the ability to launch Madden and jump into a Franchise set in 1960 and start playing as the Dallas Cowboys from inception or playing through a player-strike year or creating your own wild universe where there's eight new teams all around the world. I wish I was even mildly interested in basketball so I could appreciate NBA 2K's offerings personally but it just isn't my liking.
    MasonOS95
    Maybe one day haha
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    The AI ability is not as far away as we think it is, but it's probably going to be a bit longer until game devs start implementing it into their games. AI doesn't take a backseat to graphics, it's put in the trunk.
    Cory Levy
    That is absolutely insane and makes me feel so, so saddened with the state of Madden's franchise. Madden comes off like a free-to-play mobile game when matched up with that level of attentiveness.
    It would truly be so amazing to have the ability to launch Madden and jump into a Franchise set in 1960 and start playing as the Dallas Cowboys from inception or playing through a player-strike year or creating your own wild universe where there's eight new teams all around the world. I wish I was even mildly interested in basketball so I could appreciate NBA 2K's offerings personally but it just isn't my liking.

    I hope that puts 10x more pressure on the Madden team to greatly improve franchise mode and customization features (even 2K WNBA franchise mode has 10x more features...). I doubt the Madden team has the right developer talent or leadership to pull anything even close though. They don't care either as long as the $$ keeps coming in...
    reverend_heat
    Yeah I just read it, I mean, what do you even say if you’re EA?

    EA says “looks at the NFL logo we have”, then we buy that crap hoping for a miracle.
    I wish we had enough support to truly boycott this game.
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    jrivera34
    EA says “looks at the NFL logo we have”, then we buy that crap hoping for a miracle.
    I wish we had enough support to truly boycott this game.
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    If the people that complained annually actually stopped buying the game, that would be a nice start. Too many on here, twitter, and reddit blabber year round about how bad the series has gotten, yet they continue to buy the game annually because they "need" an updated NFL game.
    Play older Maddens, play 2k5 or 2k8, play NCAA 14, or find other games to fill your time. I don't think I've even bought Madden 3 times in the last 10 releases at this point. NCAA 14 and APF 2k8 give me my football fix anymore.
    canes21
    If the people that complained annually actually stopped buying the game, that would be a nice start. Too many on here, twitter, and reddit blabber year round about how bad the series has gotten, yet they continue to buy the game annually because they "need" an updated NFL game.
    Play older Maddens, play 2k5 or 2k8, play NCAA 14, or find other games to fill your time. I don't think I've even bought Madden 3 times in the last 10 releases at this point. NCAA 14 and APF 2k8 give me my football fix anymore.

    I agree. I buy Madden about once every 3 to usually more like 5 years.
    So if i have a series x, I can load Madden 21 and play the current form of the game then on Dec 4, it will update and become the next generation version (not expecting an entire new game).
    Did I understand that correctly
    jmurphy31
    So if i have a series x, I can load Madden 21 and play the current form of the game then on Dec 4, it will update and become the next generation version (not expecting an entire new game).
    Did I understand that correctly

    That seems correct

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