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Madden NFL 21 Franchise Update (1 of 3) Arrives on November 12 - Full Details Here (Update #2 Arrives in January)

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Madden NFL 21 Franchise Update (1 of 3) Arrives on November 12 - Full Details Here (Update #2 Arrives in January)

EA will release their first of three franchise mode updates for Madden NFL 21 on November 12. Check out the latest blog, sent to us from EA, on all of the updates that are set to arrive. The team has also sent us some details on the 2nd franchise update, which is scheduled to arrive in mid-January.

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Welcome back to Gridiron Notes, Franchise fans!

A priority for the team has been to make sure the updates delivered post-launch do not require a restart/new Franchise save to take advantage of them. While this means it takes a little extra time to develop each release, we’ve heard the feedback from the community on this issue.

We wanted to share a deep dive on what is coming to Franchise Mode in Madden NFL 21 via a Title Update coming November 12th!

Dev Note: We are delivering the first of three Madden NFL 21 Franchise updates with this release. For the Madden NFL 21 post launch releases we have worked with Franchise community members to come up with a number of updates focused on improving usability for core users of the mode as well as a number of tuning upgrades. We are sharing the first batch of updates and giving a preview of the second batch coming later in the cycle which is targeted to arrive in mid-January. As always, please provide feedback on these changes via Madden Voice which will open 48 hours after the update is released.

While the team delivers these features in Madden NFL 21 to improve utility and agency, we are hard at work on more significant features for the upcoming year, and look forward to engaging with the community on that work in the near future.

Dev Trait Regression Tuning 

Star, Superstar, and Superstar X-Factors will now have desired counts that are treated as the “correct” amount of each Dev Trait in your Franchise (a new League Setting has been added for each Dev Trait to allow Commissioners to decide the right amount for your league experience, and default values match the roster count of Dev Traits that shipped in Madden NFL  21’s Preseason Roster) in the offseason, new logic will run to decide which players are eligible to regress. If there are more players at a specific Dev Trait than the setting says is desired, eligible players will be regressed in priority order until the target is met (in some cases, there may be slightly more than target after regression if no players were found eligible). If you prefer to play in a league where Dev Traits can’t regress, you can also turn OFF Dev Trait Regression in League Settings.

We also tuned the criteria to receive a Breakout Dev Scenario for all positions to prevent an overabundance of high Dev Traits after multiple years (and make sure we’re increasing the Dev on players who truly deserve it).

There will also be three new QB Breakout Dev Scenarios that can occur throughout your season and a league setting to turn all Breakout Dev Trait Scenarios ON/OFF. When Breakout Scenarios are OFF, users will only progress their dev trait by end of season stat rankings and awards.

Dev Note: This change, like many of the changes being delivered via post launch updates this year, is to maintain authenticity and provide more agency to commissioners to define the experience for their players.

Playoff Bracket

Starting Week 13 of the regular season, there will be a Things To Do item that takes you to the current playoff picture if the season ended that week including the seeding for each team that would be in the playoffs. Once Wild Card week begins, the playoff bracket will also have the scores of all games that have been played, and the box score available by clicking on the matchup. There will also be a way to access this bracket through the “schedule” button, with a new tile labeled “Playoff Picture”.

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Player Card Career Stats

One of the top community requests for several years now, we added the week matchup and result of the game to each player’s season stats via their player card. We also added what team a player finished their season with on each year of their career stats via their player card.

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X-Factor Customization

Another highly requested community feature, we brought over our functionality from player mode that allows the player to alter the Superstar and Superstar X-Factor abilities on their players inside of Core Franchise as both a coach and an owner. Commissioners will be able to edit the abilities on players that are controlled by other players and the CPU as well. Abilities will continue to follow slot and OVR requirements per archetype, so a player must reach the OVR threshold for an ability in the specified archetype before they are able to apply it. All of this functionality occurs directly on the player card by clicking any of the abilities.

Retirement Improvements

In Re-Sign Players week, there will now be a Things To Do item that takes you directly to the Transactions screen sorted to Retired players to provide a quicker look into who is riding off into the sunset.

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We also wanted to share what the team’s working on for the next Franchise update for Madden NFL 21 which is targeted to arrive in mid January!

Personnel Logic Improvements

New guidelines for CPU draft logic to assist teams in whether they should or should not have interest in drafting a first round QB. Addresses teams drafting two first round QBs in consecutive years, along with other roster-context considerations QBs a more authentic window to develop before a replacement is considered to be drafted.

Commissioner Controls: Undo FA Signings – Offseason Only

Commissioners are able to undo FA signings in the offseason directly through the transaction log. Simply click on a signing and revert it to send the player back into the free agent pool.

Commissioner Controls: Team Override Settings

Giving commissioners of leagues the ability to turn on/off or allow users to keep individual settings for Heat Seeker tackling, Ball Hawk, and Switch assist – one of our top requested commissioner requests, this creates a way to level the playing field regarding assist features.

Commissioner Draft Tools

Giving commissioners the ability to assign autopilot during the draft, along with pause/resume functionality. This has been a top community request for a number of years now.

Commissioner House Rules: Play Cool-Down and Repeat Play Limits

After these settings made their debut last year in MUT and Superstar KO, House Rules became one of the most requested features for franchise players and we are incredibly excited to bring them to you. Take control as a Commissioner and dictate how many times a play can be called in a game, and how long a player must wait before calling the same play again.

Don’t forget, the Next Generation of Madden NFL 21 is available on December 4. With Dual Entitlement, buy now, to get next gen Madden NFL 21 FREE*. Upgrade to PS5 or Xbox Series X/S for FREE and carry your MUT, Franchise modes, and The Yard progress across generations** Read the Dual Entitlement FAQ for more info. */**Conditions apply.

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  1. It's tiny. It shouldn't have taken 3 months for this. Announcing this with what 2K has been doing has to be embarrassing for them. But it is what it is.
    Most concerning thing is that their definition of AI Personnel Logic Updates has changed since their original blog post (https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-franchise-update-8-3)
    Originally they said... "AI PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT - The AI will make better team management decisions in the draft, free agency and trades."
    Now they say the updates will ONLY apply to QB's in the draft... What in the world. Most of us expect to get lied to by EA with their track record in these Gridiron Notes, but cmon now. That's just crazy.
    And before someone hops in with "oh this is only the 2nd of their 3 updates"... yeah i know, but if it's taking them 6 months to only address a very tiny issue with QB's, how are they going to update all other positions in all other scenarios outside of that tiny little one that they're taking 3 months to address?
    Wow. So very underwhelming. Especially considering the season is half over. Even if you don’t compare to other sports offerings, this is just such a low bar to clear and they still can’t do it.
    #fixmaddenfranchise.
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    PhillyPhanatic14
    It's tiny. It shouldn't have taken 3 months for this. Announcing this with what 2K has been doing has to be embarrassing for them. But it is what it is.
    Most concerning thing is that their definition of AI Personnel Logic Updates has changed since their original blog post (https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-franchise-update-8-3)
    Originally they said... "AI PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT - The AI will make better team management decisions in the draft, free agency and trades."
    Now they say the updates will ONLY apply to QB's in the draft... What in the world. Most of us expect to get lied to by EA with their track record in these Gridiron Notes, but cmon now. That's just crazy.
    And before someone hops in with "oh this is only the 2nd of their 3 updates"... yeah i know, but if it's taking them 6 months to only address a very tiny issue with QB's, how are they going to update all other positions in all other scenarios outside of that tiny little one that they're taking 3 months to address?

    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.
    I waited to buy the game until a few weeks ago. I am a CFM only player and still haven't it played it as I was waiting for these updates....oh well. Guess I should have sat out this year.
    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    They're working during COVID, just like the NBA 2K team is working during COVID. That team released 2 entirely separate games this fall and introduced a ton graphically, performance wise, and introduced multiple new game modes and big updated to their Franchise mode. What has Tiburon done in comparison? They're both dealing with the same global pandemic. But when one studio was whining about the challenges of COVID development to online sites to distract from their lack of innovation, the other studio kept their mouth shut and created an entirely new next gen game.
    If 2K can do that, then Madden can do better than whatever this mess is.
    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    Hard to cut them a break when COVID-19 has only interfered with part of the production of Madden 21. Let's not forget, Franchise has been missing basic features much longer than COVID has been around. They said they heard franchise players over the summer, and 5 months later this is what they think players wanted.
    It is what it is, but what it is not is a "cut break".
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    PhillyPhanatic14
    It's tiny. It shouldn't have taken 3 months for this. Announcing this with what 2K has been doing has to be embarrassing for them. But it is what it is.
    Most concerning thing is that their definition of AI Personnel Logic Updates has changed since their original blog post (https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-franchise-update-8-3)
    Originally they said... "AI PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT - The AI will make better team management decisions in the draft, free agency and trades."
    Now they say the updates will ONLY apply to QB's in the draft... What in the world. Most of us expect to get lied to by EA with their track record in these Gridiron Notes, but cmon now. That's just crazy.
    And before someone hops in with "oh this is only the 2nd of their 3 updates"... yeah i know, but if it's taking them 6 months to only address a very tiny issue with QB's, how are they going to update all other positions in all other scenarios outside of that tiny little one that they're taking 3 months to address?

    I don't have a pony in this race, but were you expecting a overhaul for three months? I haven't played the game in over two months, but I knew, based on the August blog what was forthcoming in three months. Anything more expected is on each individual. No way is coaching carousel and implementing assistant coaches arriving in Madden 21. I would expect that for next gen Madden 21 or 22, though, if they continue on their mantra of adding to FM.
    As far as the Personnel Logic goes, I didn't find this line to be QB centric, but I could be wrong on this too: Addresses teams drafting two first round QBs in consecutive years, along with other roster-context considerations
    I do understand where you are coming from, though.
    PS: Depends on what "cut a break" definition is on a individual basis. From the blog in August, are they delivering what they noted in August for the first update?
    So basically, they flipped a switch and turned on some features available in other game modes, and added a playoff bracket. Oh, and don't forget the "tuning".
    The playoff bracket and player card info can legit be argued as a presentational upgrades to franchise mode, so I'll take it. These other items though, c'mon...these aren't "franchise" features, these are things already in the game that they toggled a switch on. How many times have we seen DEV trait tuning in patch notes?
    Ah, well. Is what it is. I didn't buy it this year anyway, so who cares at this point lol I'll wait for The Show to release on Xbox. That still in 2021?
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    roadman
    I don't have a pony in this race, but were you expecting a overhaul for three months? I haven't played the game in over two months, but I knew, based on the August blog what was forthcoming in three months. Anything more expected is on each individual. No way is coaching carousel and implementing assistant coaches arriving in Madden 21. I would expect that for next gen Madden 21 or 22, though, if they continue on their mantra of adding to FM.
    As far as the Personnel Logic goes, I didn't find this line to be QB centric, but I could be wrong on this too: Addresses teams drafting two first round QBs in consecutive years, along with other roster-context considerations
    I do understand where you are coming from, though.
    PS: Depends on what "cut a break" definition on a individual basis. From the blog in August, are they delivering what they noted in August for the first update?

    I'm not sure anyone expecting anything different from the blog in August, but the issue was the blog in August lol From the time they came out with that video saying "we hear you" to now, it's 5 months. Basically half of a dev cycle. And in half of a dev cycle, we got a bracket, some X-factor stuff that is already in the game, and some "tuning". How many times have we heard they have fixed cpu draft logic? But I'm sure it works now because, hey, they listened and spent 5 whole months on it.
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    therealsmallville
    I'm not sure anyone expecting anything different from the blog in August, but the issue was the blog in August lol From the time they came out with that video saying "we hear you" to now, it's 5 months. Basically half of a dev cycle. And in half of a dev cycle, we got a bracket, some X-factor stuff that is already in the game, and some "tuning". How many times have we heard they have fixed cpu draft logic? But I'm sure it works now because, hey, they listened and spent 5 whole months on it.
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    If you said in August it was pitiful what they were coming out with, that's fine. August blog till now is 3 months, is my math wrong?
    Planning stage after #fixfranchise- Ask community for what they would like to see in FM
    Decision stage- Developing a plan and a timeline for what community wants are and how to fit it in.
    August blog- Telling community what to expect in 3 months.
    I'm similar to you, haven't touched the game in 2 months, but yeah, I was going from the blog, 3 months.
    roadman
    If you said in August it was pitiful what they were coming out with, that's fine. August blog till now is 3 months, is my math wrong?
    Planning stage after #fixfranchise- Ask community for what they would like to see in FM
    Decision stage- Developing a plan and a timeline for what community wants are and how to fit it in.
    August blog- Telling community what to expect in 3 months.
    I'm similar to you, haven't touched the game in 2 months, but yeah, I was going from the blog, 3 months.

    As i said in my other post, we knew from when they announced this update that it was going to be very small. It doesn't change that it's a lame effort from them. Yeah they took 3 months to deliver a tiny little update. I'm not patting them on the back for keeping their word there.
    I do have a major issue with their plans for January and how they're not keeping their word with the AI Roster Management. That paragraph about the Jan update only addresses QB in the draft and young QB on the roster so teams won't draft another one. That's a tiny tiny tiny aspect of ONE position in the whole game. How are they going to fulfill their promise to update AI Roster management this cycle if it's taking them 6 months to make that tiny little adjustment?
    Again, not sure what we were expecting in 3 months. This is a company that did nothing with franchise and then when they got called out on it, scrambled to add what they are releasing tomorrow.
    So what you see tomorrow is step one of 3 months of work. Remember, they would have to move resources to do this and in software (I'm in the biz), this screws up timelines.
    Again, I'm not defending EA and based on what I saw with VC did with NBA2K and what Sony does with MLB, Madden is significantly not on par with those titles.
    What I am stating is that they could have done nothing, added this stuff to M22 (which they will) and moved on.
    Hopefully, and this is a big hope, they start to listen to the community and put out a game that my 9 year old clearly sees is not the same product as NBA and MLB.
    @Philly Yes, agreed. It's silly when you see the Cardianls draft a QB in round 1. That's inexcusable franchise programming.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    As i said in my other post, we knew from when they announced this update that it was going to be very small. It doesn't change that it's a lame effort from them. Yeah they took 3 months to deliver a tiny little update. I'm not patting them on the back for keeping their word there.
    I do have a major issue with their plans for January and how they're not keeping their word with the AI Roster Management. That paragraph about the Jan update only addresses QB in the draft and young QB on the roster so teams won't draft another one. That's a tiny tiny tiny aspect of ONE position in the whole game. How are they going to fulfill their promise to update AI Roster management this cycle if it's taking them 6 months to make that tiny little adjustment?

    I agree with you if you said lame effort in August, but in August, I thought most of the feedback was, ok, I hope they deliver on what they said. I looked at that blog and said, ok, let's see if they deliver, lame or not.
    As far as the Personnel Logic you are referring to, the only question I have is this line:
    (along with other roster-context considerations) ,besides the QB centric you are referring to.
    Agree with CC above me.
    roadman
    I agree with you if you said lame effort in August, but in August, I thought most of the feedback was, ok, I hope they deliver on what they said. I looked at that blog and said, ok, let's see if they deliver, lame or not.
    As far as the Personnel Logic you are referring to, the only question I have is this line:
    (along with other roster-context considerations) ,besides the QB centric you are referring to.
    Agree with CC above me.

    I'm certainly not always the model of consistency... went from boycotting the game in august, to making a dumb decision to buy at launch after ea access, to not playing the game for the past 2 months. But this is one thing I've been steady on from the start.
    The fact of the matter is that EA wants to be applauded for this "we heard your feedback" update when literally all of these things should have been in the game 5+ years ago.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    I'm certainly not always the model of consistency... went from boycotting the game in august, to making a dumb decision to buy at launch after ea access, to not playing the game for the past 2 months. But this is one thing I've been steady on from the start.

    Yes, you are and no one opinion is wrong in here.
    I just know, in software, I have no clue how easy or difficult it is to implement features in a game with 1000 years of coding.(I'm joking on the 1000 yrs)
    I don't know the difference between Java and JS and people in software do know the difference. lol
    I defer to people like CC who are in that industry.
    Something from Swami if anyone cares:
    more hidden devs in earlier in the draft (from the general tuning)
    Too little too late. ‘21 is already stale for me, and I have already moved on to other titles for the year. Maybe next year they will have more stuff at launch to keep my attention longer 
    Focusing my thoughts on what IS there vs what isn't.
    1. The ability to turn off breakout scenarios was unexpected and intriguing. They're a lot of fun without a doubt; but for us solo guys; it gives us an edge the CPU doesn't have. I have to be honest, I have no idea which way I'm going to go here in my franchise. I like the ability to "tell stories" with my guys breaking out; but I prefer to keep things on a more even keel with CPU teams.
    2. I'm trying to get an answer from Swami about what determines if a player is "eligible" for dev trait regression when there are too many SS/XF players. I think this is important to understand as we plan out our teams and so on. He also seemed to hint to other tuning as well...so I'm curious how overall progression will work out at various settings.
    3. X-factor customization. It's a welcome option; but I question how I might actually use it. This might be a thing where I do a base franchise file and change things around and then only change for new players. I have yet to note any overpowered abilities (unlike last year) so I don't see this as a necessity to "fix things" just yet.
    Madden franchise really hasn't had something as simple as a playoff bracket? That's embarrassing. That should be basic stuff. It shouldn't take major backlash from the community for EA to put something like that in the game. Shows just how little EA cares about franchise mode players. Amazing how they could neglect the mode for so long and be rewarded with a lengthy contract extension from the NFL. Talk about rewarding mediocrity.
    So they say they added in player ability/ xfactor customization. But just as I feared it looks it will be no different from the player edit feature from "player career mode".
    If you didnt know you could control any individual player in your franchise mode and change their abiliities from the player card screen just like their "update" says it added in. So in reality they just made it a bit easier to do but did not address the actual problem.
    We do not want your attribute requirement BS. simple as. Maybe i want to put escape artist on a young qb, maybe i want to custimize a roster MY WAY. I really hope someone sees this. LET US DO OUR FRANCHISE MODE OUR WAY, its not that hard
    Some of the abilities don't make sense for User vs CPU Franchises, they work better in User vs User environment. The CPU controlled players on both teams are hurt by having them assigned so it will be great to be able to give them more functional abilities as well as changing others to ones that make more sense for certain players.
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    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    Have you seen what other sports titles - including EA's own - are managing to do in the midst of a pandemic?
    roadman
    If you said in August it was pitiful what they were coming out with, that's fine. August blog till now is 3 months, is my math wrong?
    Planning stage after #fixfranchise- Ask community for what they would like to see in FM
    Decision stage- Developing a plan and a timeline for what community wants are and how to fit it in.
    August blog- Telling community what to expect in 3 months.
    I'm similar to you, haven't touched the game in 2 months, but yeah, I was going from the blog, 3 months.

    #FixMaddenFranchise trended on the last day of June and the video was posted by Graddy on the 1st or 2nd of July when he emphasised that franchise mode was a priority "NOW".
    RogerDodger
    #FixMaddenFranchise trended on the last day of June and the video was posted by Graddy on the 1st or 2nd of July when he emphasised that franchise mode was a priority "NOW".

    I'm going off the blog, period, end of story, you do you.
    Well, ok, this has me soured from Swami:
    new offline ones will get it, but i dont believe we can add things like this to existing offline
    Good thing I haven't played this in a few months. Argh....
    Gee, I missed this part of the forum of the last few months. (not)
    JoshC1977
    Focusing my thoughts on what IS there vs what isn't.
    1. The ability to turn off breakout scenarios was unexpected and intriguing. They're a lot of fun without a doubt; but for us solo guys; it gives us an edge the CPU doesn't have. I have to be honest, I have no idea which way I'm going to go here in my franchise. I like the ability to "tell stories" with my guys breaking out; but I prefer to keep things on a more even keel with CPU teams.
    2. I'm trying to get an answer from Swami about what determines if a player is "eligible" for dev trait regression when there are too many SS/XF players. I think this is important to understand as we plan out our teams and so on. He also seemed to hint to other tuning as well...so I'm curious how overall progression will work out at various settings.
    3. X-factor customization. It's a welcome option; but I question how I might actually use it. This might be a thing where I do a base franchise file and change things around and then only change for new players. I have yet to note any overpowered abilities (unlike last year) so I don't see this as a necessity to "fix things" just yet.

    I'm still happily killing seasons in my 1991 based Madden 20 franchise but the one thing that I was gonna use the x-factor customization was to make sure all my QB's had the additional hot routes. I'm just an X's and O's nut and I only play solo offline so being able to use the additional hot routes to "draw up" plays was/is huge. I just never really saw that as something that was an "x-factor". Luckily, my 1991 Steve Young has this ability so I'm having a blast on my M20 franchise.
    I can already see any playing of M21 i do will probably be during the off season when some historic rosters are created.
    Color me NOT impressed. EA was embarrassed by 2K and this is the best they can do? The NFL season is over for a lot of teams by the time January comes around. Seems they just realized November is here and uh-oh we better do something or twitter will be all over us again.
    ac14m
    So they say they added in player ability/ xfactor customization. But just as I feared it looks it will be no different from the player edit feature from "player career mode".
    If you didnt know you could control any individual player in your franchise mode and change their abiliities from the player card screen just like their "update" says it added in. So in reality they just made it a bit easier to do but did not address the actual problem.
    We do not want your attribute requirement BS. simple as. Maybe i want to put escape artist on a young qb, maybe i want to custimize a roster MY WAY. I really hope someone sees this. LET US DO OUR FRANCHISE MODE OUR WAY, its not that hard
    It's gonna save me a ton of time each year in franchise where I change a lot of new abilities. The system for assigning them is pretty flawed. It's a nice QOL change and one I look forward to having access to.
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    This is hilarious madden knows your willing to come out them pockets feeding you little bitty crumbs each year meanwhile 2k giving you steak and desert with cherry on top.
    Just like NFL players are saying - "TRASH"!!! Let it go EA, and man up to competition.... gamers and NFL fans lose every year due to your intimidation. We have had enough of paying for $60 annual roster updates! 
    oneamongthefence
    It's gonna save me a ton of time each year in franchise where I change a lot of new abilities. The system for assigning them is pretty flawed. It's a nice QOL change and one I look forward to having access to.
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    It is a nice QOL improvement but its not an improvement on what this game is largely lacking. We need to be able to adjust the rosters as much as possible, rn the game is stale as hell. The AI is terrible, and roster share is basically non existent because 1. You cant edit development, some traits , and of course abilities and x factor. 2. Sliders barely work or dont work at all thus leaving no room for user adaptation.
    EA needs to understand that everyone likes to do different things, different difficulties, different abilities, stop shackling the game and open up everything please.
    Hmm... I can't say any of this stuff is worth the wait.
    It would be amazing if Madden 22 focuses on a deeper immersion in franchise but we'll probably get something like "all new menu layout to make navigating through stuff no one cares about simple and easy"
    kennylc321
    Hmm... I can't say any of this stuff is worth the wait.
    It would be amazing if Madden 22 focuses on a deeper immersion in franchise but we'll probably get something like "all new menu layout to make navigating through stuff no one cares about simple and easy"
    Well they've already stated they're looking at coaching improvements, scouting overhaul, and the scenario engine. All these would be pretty impactful additions if they follow through. But that might be a big if.
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    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.
    This has to be an irony, right? I mean, this coming update is both welcome and underwhelming at the same time, which in itself is sad.
    Also, together with what precious few they are adding in this first franchise update, they are planning basically next to nothing for the January update, as far as meaningfull (offline) franchise mode features are concerned.
    SFNiners816
    I'm still happily killing seasons in my 1991 based Madden 20 franchise but the one thing that I was gonna use the x-factor customization was to make sure all my QB's had the additional hot routes. I'm just an X's and O's nut and I only play solo offline so being able to use the additional hot routes to "draw up" plays was/is huge. I just never really saw that as something that was an "x-factor". Luckily, my 1991 Steve Young has this ability so I'm having a blast on my M20 franchise.
    I can already see any playing of M21 i do will probably be during the off season when some historic rosters are created.

    First I’d like to ask you which face you used for Steve young. Secondly, the faces not corresponding to the right actual face in game is extremely frustrating for those that are trying to create some legends. Thirdly, omg why do 5 different faces just have the same dude just with different hair. Like wow...how could someone think they should send out a product like that lollipop so weird.
    Does anyone know if ONLY commissioners will be able to change abilities for their players in an online franchise or will all users have that option. Because if it's just commissioners then that's terrible
    oneamongthefence
    Well they've already stated they're looking at coaching improvements, scouting overhaul, and the scenario engine. All these would be pretty impactful additions if they follow through. But that might be a big if.
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    Yeah. They are always "improving" something. We'll see.
    It's like I keep saying.... the problem is that they essentially have four game modes (the yard, mut, story mode, and franchise) that they are dealing with each year. MUT is what makes them money. They will continue to force the yard and story mode down our throats, meaning franchise gets the shaft.
    I didn’t expect much but I guess it’s nice to see franchise mode getting something. With that said we are halfway through the season. At this point I’d much prefer them putting all of their resources into making Madden 22 the best franchise mode They’ve had since the PS2. Theres not much they can do for 21. But continuing to work on this failed game only takes from 22.
    It's a good start but not nearly enough to save their poor excuse for a franchise mode. It's also annoying that patch is basically focused only for online leagues. I swear EA's solution for bad AI team management is 32 human player leagues where they don't have to fix anything.
    I played MyNBA on the Xbox Series X last night and the customisation and detail is so amazing. I would pay an extra $10-$20 AUD just to get something like that in Madden
    Grey_Osprey
    I need to go back and read the update again, but something about the wording has me wondering if it will apply to existing OFFLINE franchises, or just cloud and new franchises.
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    There is nothing wrong with your reading. From yours truly, post #28
    Well, ok, this has me soured from Swami:
    new offline ones will get it, but i dont believe we can add things like this to existing offline
    roadman
    There is nothing wrong with your reading. From yours truly, post #28
    Well, ok, this has me soured from Swami:
    new offline ones will get it, but i dont believe we can add things like this to existing offline

    Wait so already in progress offline Franchise’s won’t get any of Thursdays updates???
    That can’t ****ing be true.
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    Playoff bracket made the list as a next-gen update. We've known about these new systems for how many years and months, and a playoff bracket made the list of updates. 
    Executor
    This has to be an irony, right? I mean, this coming update is both welcome and underwhelming at the same time, which in itself is sad.
    Also, together with what precious few they are adding in this first franchise update, they are planning basically next to nothing for the January update, as far as meaningfull (offline) franchise mode features are concerned.

    have they already talked about what they're adding in the other 2 patches?
    I would have to read the blog deeper, but does it really say existing offline franchises won’t get the updates?
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    The Kid 24
    I would have to read the blog deeper, but does it really say existing offline franchises won’t get the updates?
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    I believe this was confirmed on Twitter.
    MLamm
    I believe this was confirmed on Twitter.

    WTF, this is right from the article.
    A priority for the team has been to make sure the updates delivered post-launch do not require a restart/new Franchise save to take advantage of them. While this means it takes a little extra time to develop each release, we’ve heard the feedback from the community on this issue.
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    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    Curious, what do you think Covid has to do with anything? I'm an engineer and though I'm not developing games I can say with absolute certainty that Covid has not impacted me - quite the contrary actually, as I can work from home and get much more done.
    I don't have inside information about the EA devs but most companies that utilize devs that way were allowing 2-5 wfh days prior to Covid. While it has impacted many fields, it certainly hasn't negatively affected my work or anyone else in IT.
    The Kid 24
    **** me, Swami just confirmed on Twitter... Offline franchises won’t get the updates.
    Un ****ing real.
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    Terrible news. I have very little free time to play Madden and I've only managed to get 1.5 seasons in this far. While I've enjoyed it and when weighed against my expectations, has been a great game.
    Very disheartening to hear I'd have to restart to get these minimal updates if I wanted them.
    The Kid 24
    **** me, Swami just confirmed on Twitter... Offline franchises won’t get the updates.
    Un ****ing real.
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    This can't be right. So now they are only applying these advertised features to online franchises? If this really is true I'm going back to Tecmo Super Bowl. It had playoff brackets in 1990!
    Seriously this is going to be the last straw for me. I won't buy another Madden until....next year? Sad but true.
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    icicle22
    This can't be right. So now they are only applying these advertised features to online franchises? If this really is true I'm going back to Tecmo Super Bowl. It had playoff brackets in 1990!
    Seriously this is going to be the last straw for me. I won't buy another Madden until....next year? Sad but true.
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    Yea I guess so, updates only work with cloud franchises.
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    Wow so even a *new* offline franchise won’t get the updates? Meaning you also need to shell out the cash for Gold/PSN+ If you want to run a solo cloud franchise? Absurd.
    stp2081
    Wow so even a *new* offline franchise won’t get the updates? Meaning you also need to shell out the cash for Gold/PSN+ If you want to run a solo cloud franchise? Absurd.

    Not sure on that.
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    MLamm
    The fact of the matter is that EA wants to be applauded for this "we heard your feedback" update when literally all of these things should have been in the game 5+ years ago.

    Yep Madden is a gaming tragedy...EA has had the blueprint for 15 years on how to produce a solid franchise mode. It’s called Madden 05-09 on PS2. On top of that, other games have shown how much more depth and immersion should be in a franchise.
    EA is complacent and out of touch.
    Mike Lowe
    Playoff bracket made the list as a next-gen update. We've known about these new systems for how many years and months, and a playoff bracket made the list of updates.*

    Lol we talking about a playoff bracket (Iverson voice).
    SOU7GLO
    Lol we talking about a playoff bracket (Iverson voice).

    We’re not talking about playoff atmosphere, amped up presentation, fly overs, hanging banners, hyped playoff team intros, winter playoff weather, updated playoff/super bowl win celebrations...nope...
    A PLAYOFF BRACKET
    Worse than I thought. I figured they would give customers an update in December and then the final update in January. At the time I felt that would be lame because the regular season ends in early January and this is a yearly title. To see the second update doesn’t come until mid January, well after the regular season ends, is almost laughable.
    In my opinion they should’ve saved all of this for M22, plus added all of the new features they already have planned for M22. Maybe seeing a bigger overhaul all at once would be more well received and appreciated by the fan base? Right now it just seems pathetic. So I guess around spring time next year fans who only play online franchise mode will get the full franchise experience in M21. Hooray.
    callmetaternuts
    Wow. So very underwhelming. Especially considering the season is half over. Even if you don’t compare to other sports offerings, this is just such a low bar to clear and they still can’t do it.
    #fixmaddenfranchise.
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    Seriously. Do they expect me to play the game up until the next one drops? I move on to baseball in March 🤷*♂️
    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    COVID started in 2020 (ok, 2019 officially).
    What is their excuse for the last 15 years?
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    stp2081
    Wow so even a *new* offline franchise won’t get the updates? Meaning you also need to shell out the cash for Gold/PSN+ If you want to run a solo cloud franchise? Absurd.

    Brand new offline franchises WILL get the updates. According to Swami, existing offline ones will not.
    Wait, I thought a big part of the long dev time was to ensure that no one had to restart. But now, if you’re solo offline you have to restart to get these small updates?
    If that’s right, another example of bait and switch, underwhelming, complete BS from Madden.
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    callmetaternuts
    Wait, I thought a big part of the long dev time was to ensure that no one had to restart. But now, if you’re solo offline you have to restart to get these small updates?
    If that’s right, another example of bait and switch, underwhelming, complete BS from Madden.
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    That's what I thought as well... But I sent the part about making sure nobody had to restart on Twitter and Swami said that's only for cloud Franchises.
    JoshC1977
    Brand new offline franchises WILL get the updates. According to Swami, existing offline ones will not.

    This is good news as I was looking for a good reason to have to start my franchise over... again. If I'm lucky I will get another reason to have to start my off-line franchise over again in January too. Good times! :)
    stp2081
    Wow so even a *new* offline franchise won’t get the updates? Meaning you also need to shell out the cash for Gold/PSN+ If you want to run a solo cloud franchise? Absurd.

    It is the same BS every cycle.
    This years game OOTB was a joy. I am on patch 1.14 and refuse to DL anymore.
    Game is exactly where I want it (save for the wonderful drop back bug they introduced in some update and lost track which one because they just don’t stop updating to cater to the influencer/competitive online guys who whine as bad as we offline guys do LOL, except they add lots of revenue via MUT that is the difference).
    They had CPU QB AI playing amazingly out of the box and slowly chipped away at it with coverage improvements that has caused it to decline because the CPU can’t handle improvements in the secondary.
    There is no care nor QC when it comes to us who are solo offline franchise players.
    And shame on us for continuing to purchase the game in the hope they will “fix it”.
    Madden 21 has been a blast. It is the most fun I have had since Madden 16 and easily the best Madden I have ever played (yeah including the PS2 golden age). I am sitting tight on 1.14.
    In year 3 of my Dolphins franchise and going deep with this one. I don’t need the minor update crumbs they are tossing out tomorrow. I am not restarting a great franchise I am having a blast with.
    Maybe after February and after the Madden Bowl....as usual they will clean some things up for offline players like us. Until then....I will simply enjoy what I have.
    Yeah it is a PITA to have to pause the update every time I play (I stream so I need to be connected to the internet). But worth the trouble.
    And this is the last time I ever buy digital. That was a mistake I won’t make again. As long as disc is made I will always buy games on disc. I tried the digital thing with The Show and Madden this year. I regret it.
    Notice I said nothing about franchise mode? That is because if gameplay is not on point.....who cares? Franchise mode is very functional in its current state. Focus on the offline CPU AI.....I keep saying the same thing over and over. Focus on real penalties again. Focus on fatigue being a real factor, focus on a dynamic fully fleshed out injury system.....focus on those things!!!
    #oldschoololdfart
    "We're taking 3 months to do a couple tiny adjustments to the game but it's taking forever because we don't want anyone to have to restart their franchise... but you WILL have to restart your franchise anyway."
    I know i need to watch what I said about them on here, so imma stop before i get myself into trouble... but seriously... what in the world is going on.
    Edit: Posted this following rant before several of the above posts appeared. Sorry if it seems redundant in that context. Just shows many of us feel the same way about this.
    Thinking back about it I can't help but feel like the announcement was really misleading when they went out of their way to bring up how it took some much longer to get this completed because they didn't want to force users to start their franchise over. What a great way to do business...have complete transparency, except the window must have been frosted, because they should have said for online CFM only. But....that would have been upsetting to many traditional offline franchise players and EA doesn't need to have any more negative press. Maybe they thought we'd just not notice and it would be less of an issue after the fact.
    I know in the real world this is not that big of a deal but the statement they made actually drew attention to this convenience that we wouldn't have to start over when it really only applies to "some" of their users. In the past they haven't made bold statements about features like this (works in existing franchises) and when a patch drops we have to tweet and ask and sometimes we find out we have to start a CFM over to get new features and we say quietly "that stinks...oh well...they never said it was going to work in existing franchises". But this one actually got me excited to not have to restart....only to find out that I do.
    I guess this just shows how they are moving away from anything offline now. Even CFM saves don't convert to Next Gen unless they are cloud based. It's beginning to feel like anything offline is an after thought.
    I’m confused...lil help please.
    So I have a Franchise set up offline...have it ready to go for start of season...did sooo many edits ect..
    but with update on Thursday..I’ll have to “restart my Franchise”?
    tuckermaine
    I’m confused...lil help please.
    So I have a Franchise set up offline...have it ready to go for start of season...did sooo many edits ect..
    but with update on Thursday..I’ll have to “restart my Franchise”?

    Ya... even though they said it took three freaking months to add these tiny changes just so you wouldn't have to restart. As it turns out, they took the same amount of time to add these tiny insignificant changes, but they failed at their primary goal of preventing people from restarting franchises. Nothing says Tiburon like that, am I right?
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Ya... even though they said it took three freaking months to add these tiny changes just so you wouldn't have to restart. As it turns out, they took the same amount of time to add these tiny insignificant changes, but they failed at their primary goal of preventing people from restarting franchises. Nothing says Tiburon like that, am I right?

    So..is there a way I can..upload this offline franchise to cloud or something to be able to use my Franchise..(dumb question I guess)...
    Maybe if I delete the game ..re-install (my franchise will still be there I’ve done this before) maybe then I can use it?
    I don’t know Madden EA reminds of a man getting on a horse and riding off in 1000 directions at the same time and going NOWHERE..
    I really wish they would just add something that would let you not add the patches since the Playstation auto updates even if you have it marked not too.
    OOB was challenging and fun even with some of the bugs which I didn't really run in to. QB's were better, no drop back sacks. Just way more fun. I'd keep it on that but my family uses our PS4 as a media center so if the kids get on to watch Netflix or Disney+, etc it auto uploads the patch. It's awful.
    These miniscule updates and having to start over don't do anything for me. For example the retirement thing. They just added a tab that pops up so you can go directly to it. The Playoff Picture to me is weak. I'd rather see a screen that during the regular season show Division Leaders, Wildcard & In the Hunt (Teams just outside right now). That's the kind of thing that gives immersion to me, with maybe a tab that takes you to the league schedule or a page that lists important games that have playoff implications.
    This years game has been fun to play but it has gotten progressively less so as they've patched it up. And this patch that took three months honestly did almost nothing as I thought when it was announced, and now I can't even add it my existing franchises since I play offline, because online is constantly screwed up.
    For me honestly this year I would have been fine with just fixing sim stats, adding better, screens that organize stats and make it easier to find how your team fits into the league picture as a whole. Team Ranking screens. Adjusting league leaders so when you look at leaders you don't see a guy with three carries leading in yards per carry. that applied to all franchises with the caveat that next year really was going to be the complete franchise overhaul we've all been pining for the last few years. Unfortunately I am not counting on it and I don't play Madden Year Round either. I usually play till about the Super Bowl but slowly start slowing by January and starting rolling into 2k. Patches that aren't added till late I almost never see.
    Also, This team really needs someone to totally overhaul the UI for next year, and I am not talking about changing the background color.
    Such a disappointment especially after the NBA 2k Next Gen reveal.
    tuckermaine
    So..is there a way I can..upload this offline franchise to cloud or something to be able to use my Franchise..(dumb question I guess)...
    Maybe if I delete the game ..re-install (my franchise will still be there I’ve done this before) maybe then I can use it?
    I don’t know Madden EA reminds of a man getting on a horse and riding off in 1000 directions at the same time and going NOWHERE..

    Existing offline franchise files.....are screwed with the update tomorrow. They will not have the updated franchise features.
    Period.
    I'll be honest, I really hope Swami's wrong here. When I asked him to clarify on Twitter yesterday, he said "I don't believe we can add things like this to existing offline".
    "I don't believe" and "I've confirmed with the team" are two entirely different meanings.
    Now....Swami is pretty dang reliable, so I wouldn't hold out hope that he's wrong. But, I also wouldn't do anything drastic like deleting an existing 'chise until we have the patch in-hand.
    Swami has also commented that they've done other tuning...of course, we're given no visibility to those things; which is honestly more frustrating to me than anything else.
    Im still super pissed about this, talk about misleading... I was really looking forward to getting the playoff bracket, I made sure to not get too far in my Franchise so I would be able to see that every week... What a ****ing joke.
    I'm ****ing done buying Madden! As much as I like 21, I'm done after I trade it in.
    Armor and Sword
    It is the same BS every cycle.
    This years game OOTB was a joy. I am on patch 1.14 and refuse to DL anymore.
    Game is exactly where I want it (save for the wonderful drop back bug they introduced in some update and lost track which one because they just don’t stop updating to cater to the influencer/competitive online guys who whine as bad as we offline guys do LOL, except they add lots of revenue via MUT that is the difference).
    They had CPU QB AI playing amazingly out of the box and slowly chipped away at it with coverage improvements that has caused it to decline because the CPU can’t handle improvements in the secondary.
    There is no care nor QC when it comes to us who are solo offline franchise players.
    And shame on us for continuing to purchase the game in the hope they will “fix it”.
    Madden 21 has been a blast. It is the most fun I have had since Madden 16 and easily the best Madden I have ever played (yeah including the PS2 golden age). I am sitting tight on 1.14.
    In year 3 of my Dolphins franchise and going deep with this one. I don’t need the minor update crumbs they are tossing out tomorrow. I am not restarting a great franchise I am having a blast with.
    Maybe after February and after the Madden Bowl....as usual they will clean some things up for offline players like us. Until then....I will simply enjoy what I have.
    Yeah it is a PITA to have to pause the update every time I play (I stream so I need to be connected to the internet). But worth the trouble.
    And this is the last time I ever buy digital. That was a mistake I won’t make again. As long as disc is made I will always buy games on disc. I tried the digital thing with The Show and Madden this year. I regret it.
    Notice I said nothing about franchise mode? That is because if gameplay is not on point.....who cares? Franchise mode is very functional in its current state. Focus on the offline CPU AI.....I keep saying the same thing over and over. Focus on real penalties again. Focus on fatigue being a real factor, focus on a dynamic fully fleshed out injury system.....focus on those things!!!
    #oldschoololdfart

    I went digital too. I'm thinking about getting a used disk copy just to go back to the OOTB version.
    JoshC1977
    I'll be honest, I really hope Swami's wrong here. When I asked him to clarify on Twitter yesterday, he said "I don't believe we can add things like this to existing offline".
    "I don't believe" and "I've confirmed with the team" are two entirely different meanings.
    Now....Swami is pretty dang reliable, so I wouldn't hold out hope that he's wrong. But, I also wouldn't do anything drastic like deleting an existing 'chise until we have the patch in-hand.
    Swami has also commented that they've done other tuning...of course, we're given no visibility to those things; which is honestly more frustrating to me than anything else.

    We will know tomorrow for those who DL it.
    Swami is pretty reliable. I have a feeling existing offline franchise files are being left out in the cold.
    JoshC1977
    I'll be honest, I really hope Swami's wrong here. When I asked him to clarify on Twitter yesterday, he said "I don't believe we can add things like this to existing offline".
    "I don't believe" and "I've confirmed with the team" are two entirely different meanings.
    Now....Swami is pretty dang reliable, so I wouldn't hold out hope that he's wrong. But, I also wouldn't do anything drastic like deleting an existing 'chise until we have the patch in-hand.
    Swami has also commented that they've done other tuning...of course, we're given no visibility to those things; which is honestly more frustrating to me than anything else.

    Idk man, I talked with Swami on Twitter and he specifically told me "there is no way to patch some of those things into offline. That is why we recommend cloud leagues".
    JoshC1977
    Brand new offline franchises WILL get the updates. According to Swami, existing offline ones will not.

    This is so typical of Tiburon.
    The likely implication here, just to spell it out, is that the other two updates to franchise mode that we're set to receive in December and January will also not apply to existing offline franchise files.
    The conclusion one must draw is that you either have to concede to their design priorities and play a cloud CFM or you have to content yourself with whatever the game offers at launch on the disc version and accept that you'll only enjoy the results of the continuous updates when you buy the disc version next year.
    Ugh. These are not choices a dedicated offline franchise player should have to make this late in the NFL season and this late in the cycle. Transparency on this front would have likely impacted the decisions many players made about how to set up their franchises. I don't think the rollout does much to inspire consumer confidence.
    Armor and Sword

    Notice I said nothing about franchise mode? That is because if gameplay is not on point.....who cares? Franchise mode is very functional in its current state. Focus on the offline CPU AI.....I keep saying the same thing over and over. Focus on real penalties again. Focus on fatigue being a real factor, focus on a dynamic fully fleshed out injury system.....focus on those things!!!
    #oldschoololdfart

    I care. Considering how #fixmaddenfranchise got Tiburon’s attention I’d say a lot of sports gaming fans care. The amount of heat EA/Tiburon received this year is something I’ve never seen for any sports game. I agree that the aspects you mentioned should be improved. 100%. There is absolutely no reason improving those as well as franchise mode cannot be accomplished.
    Even EA’s NHL game has now moved past Madden in my opinion. If the NFL wasn’t as immensely popular as it is Madden would get crushed in sales. The NFL brand/product is why Madden makes the money it does. The NFL draft has higher viewership than NBA playoff games. Yet NBA 2k19 crushes M21, let alone 2k20 and next gen 2k21 (which obliterated Madden football).
    Football gaming fans deserve more and in my opinion it’s unfortunate that people have lowered their expectations to the point of being satisfied if there’s better fatigue, penalties and injuries.
    I think it is sad that most of you thought there was going to be more. They already made a full game no way they were going to patch it and make it worlds better. I am not a ES apologist o anything but I am a realist. These are something's that needed fixing and they do have limited resources and time. You want them to solely focus on this mode and do a major overhaul in 3-5 months. You dont know anything about producing games you just have your shitty expectations oh how long things SHOULD take. So yeah they told us what they are doing they delivered. iTS NOT everything but it is something, buys them a little more faith with me. They are at least trying and that means something. Unlike year past. But many of you will hate it no matter what they do so no idea why I am even typing this lol. Hate on brothas hate on lol 
    No h8 here I loving my cpu vs cpu sim franchise game looks beautiful and plays well with sliders. But I am very disappointed that EA are saying I have to buy PS+ to be able to get updates that is wrong very wrong. I am 10 games into season offline and enjoying it. Dont think the changes are enough to make me restart but I should not have to in my opinion.
    This was a blatant lie or misrepresentation. If Swami is wrong, ok then. If he’s not, EA said specifically this was not going to require restarts. Now it apparently does and they’ve done nothing to eat crow on it. Complete misrep of their plans and update.
    If they found out it wasn’t possible, they could at least communicate it.
    This is another steaming dump on the franchise crowd. 3 months for crumbs, which some of us can’t get. Pathetic. How does anyone defend the communication and decision making, let alone the product and design choices.
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    lions2k9
    I care. Considering how #fixmaddenfranchise got Tiburon’s attention I’d say a lot of sports gaming fans care. The amount of heat EA/Tiburon received this year is something I’ve never seen for any sports game. I agree that the aspects you mentioned should be improved. 100%. There is absolutely no reason improving those as well as franchise mode cannot be accomplished.
    Even EA’s NHL game has now moved past Madden in my opinion. If the NFL wasn’t as immensely popular as it is Madden would get crushed in sales. The NFL brand/product is why Madden makes the money it does. The NFL draft has higher viewership than NBA playoff games. Yet NBA 2k19 crushes M21, let alone 2k20 and next gen 2k21 (which obliterated Madden football).
    Football gaming fans deserve more and in my opinion it’s unfortunate that people have lowered their expectations to the point of being satisfied if there’s better fatigue, penalties and injuries.

    Gameplay is the foundation to enjoying a long term franchise.
    If we cannot get basic gameplay features like penalties, injuries, fatigue to work (because they do not work like a real NFL simulation which is what we all want) what is the difference if Franchise mode has fancy menus and spread sheets.
    That is my point.
    You need to enjoy playing the actual game to enjoy a real franchise mode.
    Go ask the NHL fans......yeah their franchise mode has some great features and they have surpassed Madden in that regard. But the gameplay still get’s the same tired complaints and people shelve the game in a month or two.
    Contrast that to MLB The Show. They have barely done anything to franchise mode over the last 8-9 years.....but the gameplay is so freaking good we all keep playing....year round and are passionate about the game.
    Lower expectations? No. I have high expectations for the game to actually represent the NFL and they keep coming up short on the most basic of functions.
    Flags, injuries and instant replay are HUGE HUGE HUGE things every single week in the NFL.
    Yet Madden can’t get these basic features of gameplay on their so called “simulation mode” to really shine.
    You are asking for the wrong things if you want to accept so called simulation gameplay like this year in and year out.
    And with all due respect to Tiburon..Madden 21 is hands down for me some of the best gameplay they have come up with.....but it is still subpar compared to some other AAA sports titles. It does not even come close to MLB The Show in terms of truly representing it’s said sport.
    I can Franchise just fine with Madden 21....because they did make some meaningful strides in QB CPU AI.....finally.
    But they are still far off the expectations of this particular Madden community (OS).
    Having to restart a new offline franchise to get these new updates is ridiculous. 2 straight years of having to start and restart franchises to get any new features or additions.
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    goosedawg68
    I went digital too. I'm thinking about getting a used disk copy just to go back to the OOTB version.

    Keep your digital in storage, rent and store a disk version to an external and you can play that OOTB disk without the disk (Xb1 version at least)
    callmetaternuts
    This was a blatant lie or misrepresentation. If Swami is wrong, ok then. If he’s not, EA said specifically this was not going to require restarts. Now it apparently does and they’ve done nothing to eat crow on it. Complete misrep of their plans and update.
    If they found out it wasn’t possible, they could at least communicate it.
    This is another steaming dump on the franchise crowd. 3 months for crumbs, which some of us can’t get. Pathetic. How does anyone defend the communication and decision making, let alone the product and design choices.
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    It's often frowned upon for us to call out the devs for straight up lying to us on OS, but this is a perfect example of them lying right to us and then pretending like it didn't happen. It's ridiculous.
    trey2k198003
    I think it is sad that most of you thought there was going to be more. They already made a full game no way they were going to patch it and make it worlds better. I am not a ES apologist o anything but I am a realist. These are something's that needed fixing and they do have limited resources and time. You want them to solely focus on this mode and do a major overhaul in 3-5 months. You dont know anything about producing games you just have your ****ty expectations oh how long things SHOULD take. So yeah they told us what they are doing they delivered. iTS NOT everything but it is something, buys them a little more faith with me. They are at least trying and that means something. Unlike year past. But many of you will hate it no matter what they do so no idea why I am even typing this lol. Hate on brothas hate on lol*

    I didn't expect more in this update. I did expect it would work with current franchises like they said it was going too.
    trey2k198003
    I think it is sad that most of you thought there was going to be more. They already made a full game no way they were going to patch it and make it worlds better. I am not a ES apologist o anything but I am a realist. These are something's that needed fixing and they do have limited resources and time. You want them to solely focus on this mode and do a major overhaul in 3-5 months. You dont know anything about producing games you just have your ****ty expectations oh how long things SHOULD take. So yeah they told us what they are doing they delivered. iTS NOT everything but it is something, buys them a little more faith with me. They are at least trying and that means something. Unlike year past. But many of you will hate it no matter what they do so no idea why I am even typing this lol. Hate on brothas hate on lol*

    At this point I think we are focusing on the fact that the features and updates require offline users to start over with a new CFM. Which is unacceptable if true. It's be like a AAA title like Spider-man releasing a major patch with a bunch of updates and bug fixes and requiring users to start new campaigns to even see the new features. Oh...but if you were using cloud saves all the features and benefits are there without starting over. Hmmm.....
    I know there may be technical reasons why they can apply them to cloud saves but but not local saves but still....the way this was advertised (3 months to throw you a few tiny bones... but it took so long so you wouldn't have to start a new CFM) didn't properly represent, escpecially since it turn out most if do have to restart.
    oneamongthefence
    Well they've already stated they're looking at coaching improvements, scouting overhaul, and the scenario engine. All these would be pretty impactful additions if they follow through. But that might be a big if.
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    Those are great, but will they build them on top of the XP system and render them useless? Look at franchise mode for any Madden from 04-10 where coaching staff appointments were a fundamental part of the mode. Your players progressed organically based on how good the coach was. How do you build the into a franchise mode shackled by the XP system, which by definition puts the progress of a player in YOUR hands, not the coach. And all of these 'improvements' are almost a decade and an entire console generation too late.
    khaliib
    Keep your digital in storage, rent and store a disk version to an external and you can play that OOTB disk without the disk (Xb1 version at least)

    trying to do something like this on PC. I have a copy of the 1.14 version of the game on a separate drive and wanting to copy it back whenever an update breaks something. Not sure if it will work and I am hesitant to test and accidentally break something. There is no way to get back to the OOTB version but having a 1.14 version is better than nothing. If it indeed works to copy it over a patched version.
    Armor and Sword
    Gameplay is the foundation to enjoying a long term franchise.
    If we cannot get basic gameplay features like penalties, injuries, fatigue to work (because they do not work like a real NFL simulation which is what we all want) what is the difference if Franchise mode has fancy menus and spread sheets.
    That is my point.
    You need to enjoy playing the actual game to enjoy a real franchise mode.
    Go ask the NHL fans......yeah their franchise mode has some great features and they have surpassed Madden in that regard. But the gameplay still get’s the same tired complaints and people shelve the game in a month or two.
    Contrast that to MLB The Show. They have barely done anything to franchise mode over the last 8-9 years.....but the gameplay is so freaking good we all keep playing....year round and are passionate about the game.
    Lower expectations? No. I have high expectations for the game to actually represent the NFL and they keep coming up short on the most basic of functions.
    Flags, injuries and instant replay are HUGE HUGE HUGE things every single week in the NFL.
    Yet Madden can’t get these basic features of gameplay on their so called “simulation mode” to really shine.
    You are asking for the wrong things if you want to accept so called simulation gameplay like this year in and year out.
    And with all due respect to Tiburon..Madden 21 is hands down for me some of the best gameplay they have come up with.....but it is still subpar compared to some other AAA sports titles. It does not even come close to MLB The Show in terms of truly representing it’s said sport.
    I can Franchise just fine with Madden 21....because they did make some meaningful strides in QB CPU AI.....finally.
    But they are still far off the expectations of this particular Madden community (OS).

    I personally for the most part enjoy the gameplay. Sure some things bug me but not enough to not play. For example, lack of penalties bugs me. it doesn't make me stop playing.
    So for me adding immersion into franchise would add a ton of replayability to the game even as it stands. All I play is franchise. I don't touch UT or the Yard. I usually play a little bit of play now when the game first comes out but within a week I'm into franchise. So for me that's where even small things like UI and more access to historical things, a better weekly update on other things around the league that's better, more varied and easier to find would make the game so much better.
    Again this is just me. I know I am not the majority. I used to love The Show and I know a ton of people here swear by it. I bought the game in 2016 and it felt the same. I didn't buy it again until 2019 and was bored within a few weeks. This year I didn't buy and didn't touch 2019 once other than to install it and delete it 2 months later. A lot of that was franchise is so dull to me.
    It's just a quirk I have. I know these games aren't real. I know that it doesn't really matter that my league, that is not real in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter. But when I play in franchise it feels like a game means something. The stakes are higher than just me winning or losing. There is a bigger picture to what I'm playing. When the franchise is weak I lose that feeling and the urge to play.
    All this being said I come on here because I like to talk about play video games and sports games. At the end of the day if it doesn't get better then it doesn't get better. If it gets to the point where I don't enjoy it anymore I won't buy it, ala the Show. If it I like it but the franchise could be better I'll still buy it, ala Madden. But even though I come on here and discuss and praise and complain it's just a video game.
    Not directed at you Armor since I quoted your post but just a generality based on people's responses sometimes. Just because we post and complain doesn't mean that this is some kind of thing that clouds or ruins our life. People tend to overanalyze the general anger of people when they are reading something when a person is complaining especially if they disagree. They picture someone freaking out. If they don't noticeably improve Franchise mode I'll complain but at the end of the day, if they don't they don't. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
    I'm very confused here. I'm reading a few replies that say "Offline franchises are screwed" and something about getting a disk version to avoid downloading updates/patches.
    Does this new patch with franchise mode updates mean
    1. My current offline franchise mode files are no longer able to played, like the files will be broken?
    2. My current offline franchise mode files just won't have the updates that are coming in the patch and I can continue to play them, I just won't have a playoff bracket, etc.
    I'm well aware hyperbole is rampant in any online community, but I'm confused as to what's happening tomorrow, and options 1 and 2 above are two wildly different things.
    fnz21
    I'm very confused here. I'm reading a few replies that say "Offline franchises are screwed" and something about getting a disk version to avoid downloading updates/patches.
    Does this new patch with franchise mode updates mean
    1. My current offline franchise mode files are no longer able to played, like the files will be broken?
    2. My current offline franchise mode files just won't have the updates that are coming in the patch and I can continue to play them, I just won't have a playoff bracket, etc.
    I'm well aware hyperbole is rampant in any online community, but I'm confused as to what's happening tomorrow, and options 1 and 2 above are two wildly different things.

    It's number 2. The disk version talk is about folks who feel like out of the box Madden is the best Madden or want to control which update they add to their game. You'll be to continue your current offline Franchise just fine.
    I guess one good part of not getting these updates in our offline franchise (if true) is that we’re not missing out on much... To me its a barebone update that we waited 3 months for. Not worth starting a new franchise for me.
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    cch99
    I personally for the most part enjoy the gameplay. Sure some things bug me but not enough to not play. For example, lack of penalties bugs me. it doesn't make me stop playing.
    So for me adding immersion into franchise would add a ton of replayability to the game even as it stands. All I play is franchise. I don't touch UT or the Yard. I usually play a little bit of play now when the game first comes out but within a week I'm into franchise. So for me that's where even small things like UI and more access to historical things, a better weekly update on other things around the league that's better, more varied and easier to find would make the game so much better.
    Again this is just me. I know I am not the majority. I used to love The Show and I know a ton of people here swear by it. I bought the game in 2016 and it felt the same. I didn't buy it again until 2019 and was bored within a few weeks. This year I didn't buy and didn't touch 2019 once other than to install it and delete it 2 months later. A lot of that was franchise is so dull to me.
    It's just a quirk I have. I know these games aren't real. I know that it doesn't really matter that my league, that is not real in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter. But when I play in franchise it feels like a game means something. The stakes are higher than just me winning or losing. There is a bigger picture to what I'm playing. When the franchise is weak I lose that feeling and the urge to play.
    All this being said I come on here because I like to talk about play video games and sports games. At the end of the day if it doesn't get better then it doesn't get better. If it gets to the point where I don't enjoy it anymore I won't buy it, ala the Show. If it I like it but the franchise could be better I'll still buy it, ala Madden. But even though I come on here and discuss and praise and complain it's just a video game.
    Not directed at you Armor since I quoted your post but just a generality based on people's responses sometimes. Just because we post and complain doesn't mean that this is some kind of thing that clouds or ruins our life. People tend to overanalyze the general anger of people when they are reading something when a person is complaining especially if they disagree. They picture someone freaking out. If they don't noticeably improve Franchise mode I'll complain but at the end of the day, if they don't they don't. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

    I love Madden 21 and I continue to play it in "spite" of the weak franchise mode. It really just feels repetitive game after game and I have to use my imagination to keep me engaged in the ongoing seasons. Now, I understand time plays tricks on your memory but I seem to recall playing Tecmo Super Bowl on the NES back in 1991 or so and even though the game itself was shallow compared to todays games, I feel like it had enough elements during the season teasing playoff scenarios and displaying cheesy animations as other teams clinched playoff spots and such. I know this was cheesy but I felt I was kept informed on what is going on as I played my season. I didn't have to go dig through some mock newsfeed to see if another team made the playoffs or not.
    Honestly in Madden nowadays, if I don't specifically go looking to see how other teams are doing in the playoff race I wouldn't have a clue. The franchise mode is so isolated it feels like I am on an island. I know they try to add the newsfeed and stats on their own pages but this stuff should be getting presented to us automatically as we proceed through our season. During real football games on TV they present current playoff brackets and important upcoming games...it builds drama and excitement and makes me want to watch games I wouldn't normally watch. In Madden I hardly give a crap outside of my own games because it doesn't even remotely feel like a "living world".
    So...I agree with Armor and CCH99. Gameplay is important. However a franchise mode that draws you into the drama of a season goes a long way to overcoming gameplay shortcomings. I am way more likely to comeback to a game with in-game imperfections if I feel like I am vested in the narrative of a season.
    Like how some "action" games may have clunky mechanics for your main character in combat stages that you find "weak", but you keep playing on because the story of the game is so compelling you can't stop. Madden needs something like that.
    khaliib
    Keep your digital in storage, rent and store a disk version to an external and you can play that OOTB disk without the disk (Xb1 version at least)

    Thanks for the tip. :cheers444
    RogerDodger
    Those are great, but will they build them on top of the XP system and render them useless? Look at franchise mode for any Madden from 04-10 where coaching staff appointments were a fundamental part of the mode. Your players progressed organically based on how good the coach was. How do you build the into a franchise mode shackled by the XP system, which by definition puts the progress of a player in YOUR hands, not the coach. And all of these 'improvements' are almost a decade and an entire console generation too late.

    Bring back the Tony Bruno radio show.
    So, I feel lucky that I didn't start a franchise until last night...
    Was waiting for the trade deadline to pass.
    What are the risks of doing a cloud franchise opposed to offline? I play single player, but have always done offline saves because it seemed like something would go wrong with the cloud franchises every year.
    I kinda want the updates come Dec and Jan though...
    IDK what to do? Security of offline saves or run the risk of the cloud?
    BTG
    Bring back the Tony Bruno radio show.

    They can wreck gameplay, gut Franchise mode and that would be terrible, but bringing back Tony Bruno would be a permanent no buy for me for the rest of time.
    sc11
    So, I feel lucky that I didn't start a franchise until last night...
    Was waiting for the trade deadline to pass.
    What are the risks of doing a cloud franchise opposed to offline? I play single player, but have always done offline saves because it seemed like something would go wrong with the cloud franchises every year.
    I kinda want the updates come Dec and Jan though...
    IDK what to do? Security of offline saves or run the risk of the cloud?

    Would like to know this as well?
    sc11
    So, I feel lucky that I didn't start a franchise until last night...
    Was waiting for the trade deadline to pass.
    What are the risks of doing a cloud franchise opposed to offline? I play single player, but have always done offline saves because it seemed like something would go wrong with the cloud franchises every year.
    I kinda want the updates come Dec and Jan though...
    IDK what to do? Security of offline saves or run the risk of the cloud?

    I too have heard stories of cloud saves getting corrupted...actually happened to me a few years ago. Anyway...here are a few of the differences that I am aware of and some I use a lot.
    Online Cloud has a single save for your CFM. So if you call it bobs_season that will be it forever. So if you complete a game, make some roster updates, finish a season there will always be only one save. The reason this is important is I sometimes like to go back and start at a point earlier in the season. So I generate a unique save every week of my season that way if I mess up something I have backups that are just a little outdated. If something gets glitchy I can just go back a week or two and be back in business. With online there is none of this. One league....whatever happens good bad or corrupt that is it. Plus the plain fact if I lose internet I can still play offline.
    In my case on PC I have also used the franchise editor to change some game times and update a few injuries manually that I would not have access to if the save was cloud based.
    sc11
    So, I feel lucky that I didn't start a franchise until last night...
    Was waiting for the trade deadline to pass.
    What are the risks of doing a cloud franchise opposed to offline? I play single player, but have always done offline saves because it seemed like something would go wrong with the cloud franchises every year.
    I kinda want the updates come Dec and Jan though...
    IDK what to do? Security of offline saves or run the risk of the cloud?

    The downsides of online CFMs:
    1. You are beholden to EA's servers. If they're down and you want to play; you're screwed. (And TBH, it happens far too often)
    2. Inability to do any kind of backup saves.
    3. Inability to take control of CPU teams. This one can be problematic as you'll find teams over the cap and you will need to cut players for them to keep things on an even keel. I also use this to engineer trades for storyline purposes.
    JoshC1977
    The downsides of online CFMs:
    1. You are beholden to EA's servers. If they're down and you want to play; you're screwed. (And TBH, it happens far too often)
    2. Inability to do any kind of backup saves.
    3. Inability to take control of CPU teams. This one can be problematic as you'll find teams over the cap and you will need to cut players for them to keep things on an even keel. I also use this to engineer trades for storyline purposes.

    For additional context here, EA currently has a 2 weekends in a row streak where the servers have been down. So if you had a cloud CFM you could not play during the times when they're down. These aren't the only times. It happened a ton last year (especially on weekends) and it has happened at other times this year as well.
    cch99
    I personally for the most part enjoy the gameplay. Sure some things bug me but not enough to not play. For example, lack of penalties bugs me. it doesn't make me stop playing.
    So for me adding immersion into franchise would add a ton of replayability to the game even as it stands. All I play is franchise. I don't touch UT or the Yard. I usually play a little bit of play now when the game first comes out but within a week I'm into franchise. So for me that's where even small things like UI and more access to historical things, a better weekly update on other things around the league that's better, more varied and easier to find would make the game so much better.
    Again this is just me. I know I am not the majority. I used to love The Show and I know a ton of people here swear by it. I bought the game in 2016 and it felt the same. I didn't buy it again until 2019 and was bored within a few weeks. This year I didn't buy and didn't touch 2019 once other than to install it and delete it 2 months later. A lot of that was franchise is so dull to me.
    It's just a quirk I have. I know these games aren't real. I know that it doesn't really matter that my league, that is not real in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter. But when I play in franchise it feels like a game means something. The stakes are higher than just me winning or losing. There is a bigger picture to what I'm playing. When the franchise is weak I lose that feeling and the urge to play.
    All this being said I come on here because I like to talk about play video games and sports games. At the end of the day if it doesn't get better then it doesn't get better. If it gets to the point where I don't enjoy it anymore I won't buy it, ala the Show. If it I like it but the franchise could be better I'll still buy it, ala Madden. But even though I come on here and discuss and praise and complain it's just a video game.
    Not directed at you Armor since I quoted your post but just a generality based on people's responses sometimes. Just because we post and complain doesn't mean that this is some kind of thing that clouds or ruins our life. People tend to overanalyze the general anger of people when they are reading something when a person is complaining especially if they disagree. They picture someone freaking out. If they don't noticeably improve Franchise mode I'll complain but at the end of the day, if they don't they don't. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

    Right on man. I am with you. I am too enjoying Madden 21 a lot. And would love a more immersive franchise mode. I just think we all have different ideas of what makes franchise mode more immersive.
    For me it is actually better presentation and feeling like I am in a real NFL universe. I come up with my own storylines and have a ball with it. But I wish I felt like I was really playing in the NFL with network broadcast (I know I know PC you can mod this...but I am a console gamer lol). Real penalties, real dynamic injury system, a far better draft presentation than we currently have. That would go a long way to making me feel even more immersed.
    I manage to immerse myself in franchise mode pretty well. But yeah I want more like everyone else.
    :cheers444
    JoshC1977
    The downsides of online CFMs:
    1. You are beholden to EA's servers. If they're down and you want to play; you're screwed. (And TBH, it happens far too often)
    2. Inability to do any kind of backup saves.
    3. Inability to take control of CPU teams. This one can be problematic as you'll find teams over the cap and you will need to cut players for them to keep things on an even keel. I also use this to engineer trades for storyline purposes.

    Thanks for the info. It is quite helpful.
    So, if I start a new offline franchise after downloading the update, it will have the new features? Or do you have to choose a cloud franchise to have the update?
    I wish EA would reveal what was coming in the later updates, so I would have a better idea how to proceed.
    I really don't understand why the update can't work on offline franchises. It seems like the other updates apply - why not this one?
    sc11
    Thanks for the info. It is quite helpful.
    So, if I start a new offline franchise after downloading the update, it will have the new features? Or do you have to choose a cloud franchise to have the update?
    I wish EA would reveal what was coming in the later updates, so I would have a better idea how to proceed.
    I really don't understand why the update can't work on offline franchises. It seems like the other updates apply - why not this one?

    After the update you can start a new offline CFM and you will have the new update.
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    Armor and Sword
    After the update you can start a new offline CFM and you will have the new update.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    And if their roadmap holds true the updates in January look to be more for a commissioner of online leagues to help manage things. None of the things listed initially struck me as being something you'd use in offline franchise where you can just take ownership of another team and make adjustments if needed.
    JoshC1977
    The downsides of online CFMs:
    1. You are beholden to EA's servers. If they're down and you want to play; you're screwed. (And TBH, it happens far too often)
    2. Inability to do any kind of backup saves.
    3. Inability to take control of CPU teams. This one can be problematic as you'll find teams over the cap and you will need to cut players for them to keep things on an even keel. I also use this to engineer trades for storyline purposes.

    Yes. Yes. Yes. I forgot about number 3 on the list. In seasons where I was rebuilding the Browns and missed the playoffs I would take ownership of other teams near the playoffs and try to get them into the playoffs and go from there. It's a great way to stay engaged into the post season. If you are online CFM only and you miss the playoffs it's just a pure sim to the offseason for you. I like jumping into the playoff atmosphere and trying to get long starving teams over the hump. Then I go back to my team after the superbowl. You can play all the playoff matchups or none if you choose. It's great. So to me this one is super important.
    wow this is kind of ridiculous.
    if they had came right out and said we had to restart at the beginning that would have been one thing, but the blatant lie pisses me off like nothing else.
    lost all the goodwill they built up with me if it ends up being true
    PhillyPhanatic14
    It's often frowned upon for us to call out the devs for straight up lying to us on OS, but this is a perfect example of them lying right to us and then pretending like it didn't happen. It's ridiculous.

    It's fine to call a spade a spade. Like I said last time, valid criticism is okay and there is nothing wrong with it. As an offline player myself, I have a huge problem with what I saw before versus what's come to light now.
    What we don't allow is subjective opinions like lazy, incompetant, etc. We all may ASSUME that based on the product we get, but we have no way of knowing that's the cause of the end product without understanding all that goes behind the game.
    (I'm going to add to this with the below quote though because you both said the same thing, and I don't completely disagree)
    Shogunreaper
    wow this is kind of ridiculous.
    if they had came right out and said we had to restart at the beginning that would have been one thing, but the blatant lie pisses me off like nothing else.
    lost all the goodwill they built up with me if it ends up being true

    I don't believe they lied to us. Based on the twitter exchange I saw from Swami, the earlier post saying it was delayed in order to make sure they could get it into patches was always intended to be for cloud saves only.
    He does add that some of the additions wouldn't be possible to add to an offline franchise. I'm not a programmer, so personally, I defer to the game devs on that perspective.
    THAT SAID. I do believe that the announcement saying the delay to make sure franchises didn't need a restart was either intentionally misleading or very unintentionally obtuse and/or absent minded to this portion of their player base.
    Brushing it off as "this is why we suggest cloud franchises" is to me, very irresponsible as it pertains to this situation.
    Personally, I prefer full transparency. Even then, if it's something I don't like, I at least appreciate the transparency.
    What happened here was either intentional deception or unintentional ignorance and I'm not okay with either to be honest.
    Preparing for any possible issues that could arise, I purposefully didn’t invest myself in any Franchise when they made known that they would touch the mode after the hashtag movement, knowing that the mode consist of so many moving parts that are interconnected.
    - I anticipate some type of issue may get introduced into the mode just like many of the updates seem to do to the game outside the mode
    I will download tomorrow and fiddle and try and make the best of whatever that’s been done to the mode.
    TBH, anything outside of this would be a waist of my energy/time as the Madden in my console, will be the Madden in my console up until the next change they do, then rinse-n-repeat.
    We will see!!!
    Armor and Sword
    Gameplay is the foundation to enjoying a long term franchise.
    If we cannot get basic gameplay features like penalties, injuries, fatigue to work (because they do not work like a real NFL simulation which is what we all want) what is the difference if Franchise mode has fancy menus and spread sheets.
    That is my point.
    You need to enjoy playing the actual game to enjoy a real franchise mode.
    Go ask the NHL fans......yeah their franchise mode has some great features and they have surpassed Madden in that regard. But the gameplay still get’s the same tired complaints and people shelve the game in a month or two.
    Contrast that to MLB The Show. They have barely done anything to franchise mode over the last 8-9 years.....but the gameplay is so freaking good we all keep playing....year round and are passionate about the game.
    Lower expectations? No. I have high expectations for the game to actually represent the NFL and they keep coming up short on the most basic of functions.
    Flags, injuries and instant replay are HUGE HUGE HUGE things every single week in the NFL.
    Yet Madden can’t get these basic features of gameplay on their so called “simulation mode” to really shine.
    You are asking for the wrong things if you want to accept so called simulation gameplay like this year in and year out.
    And with all due respect to Tiburon..Madden 21 is hands down for me some of the best gameplay they have come up with.....but it is still subpar compared to some other AAA sports titles. It does not even come close to MLB The Show in terms of truly representing it’s said sport.
    I can Franchise just fine with Madden 21....because they did make some meaningful strides in QB CPU AI.....finally.
    But they are still far off the expectations of this particular Madden community (OS).

    Again, I agreed that what you want improved should be. I also agree that gameplay is ultimately the foundation in enjoying franchise long term. I disagree a good and modern Franchise mode only has fancy menus and spreadsheets. That’s silly to even say.
    I’m an NHL fan, and played the newest game. Gameplay isn’t there and franchise mode is still not amazing by any stretch. The point is that the NHL game should never be ahead given its smaller niche compared to the popularity and financial success the NFL has. How much money does the NHL series make overall compared to Madden? It’s not even close.
    Yet MLB The Show’s franchise mode is still better than Madden’s. It’s refreshing playing The Show. Just like 2k basketball. It’s great playing a game where they try to replicate what we see on tv, have quality gameplay and build quality modes.
    I’m asking for a much improved franchise experience for 3 reasons.
    1. They had a better experience in 2005.
    2. Since 2014 it seems they have barely done anything with the mode. Let alone having some real innovation.
    3. All they have really done since they jumped to the Xbox 360/PS3 generation is dump resources into graphics, gameplay and mut. Graphics are great, gameplay is still not good even though it gets “improved” every single year, while franchise gets ignored for mut.
    Every year gameplay is getting upgrades, features, etc. and it’s still not good enough. Can franchise get real love please.. hence the overwhelming popularity of #fixmaddenfranchise. Trust me, I want improved gameplay and it’s ultimately the most important aspect of the game. But the neglect of Franchise mode for the last 15 years has worn on the football gaming fans. It’s time for some real love in that aspect. Maybe they’ll come through in M22. Heck maybe they’ll bring back referees and “pump up the crowd” while they’re at it 😅
    lions2k9
    Again, I agreed that what you want improved should be. I also agree that gameplay is ultimately the foundation in enjoying franchise long term. I disagree a good and modern Franchise mode only has fancy menus and spreadsheets. That’s silly to even say.
    I’m an NHL fan, and played the newest game. Gameplay isn’t there and franchise mode is still not amazing by any stretch. The point is that the NHL game should never be ahead given its smaller niche compared to the popularity and financial success the NFL has. How much money does the NHL series make overall compared to Madden? It’s not even close.
    Yet MLB The Show’s franchise mode is still better than Madden’s. It’s refreshing playing The Show. Just like 2k basketball. It’s great playing a game where they try to replicate what we see on tv, have quality gameplay and build quality modes.
    I’m asking for a much improved franchise experience for 3 reasons.
    1. They had a better experience in 2005.
    2. Since 2014 it seems they have barely done anything with the mode. Let alone having some real innovation.
    3. All they have really done since they jumped to the Xbox 360/PS3 generation is dump resources into graphics, gameplay and mut. Graphics are great, gameplay is still not good even though it gets “improved” every single year, while franchise gets ignored for mut.
    Every year gameplay is getting upgrades, features, etc. and it’s still not good enough. Can franchise get real love please.. hence the overwhelming popularity of #fixmaddenfranchise. Trust me, I want improved gameplay and it’s ultimately the most important aspect of the game. But the neglect of Franchise mode for the last 15 years has worn on the football gaming fans. It’s time for some real love in that aspect. Maybe they’ll come through in M22. Heck maybe they’ll bring back referees and “pump up the crowd” while they’re at it

    I think the franchise mode is purposefully predictable. It's why all the scenarios all have really minor negative consequence. I think EA thinks users would complain if too much stuff is left up to RNG. So regression is predictable, dev trait increases are predictable, no career ending injuries, contracts are really basic, scouting is completely user based, coaches don't really matter, the xp system is...predictable when you'll receive upgrades, the draft classes don't have much variation and rarely will you see an all around stud, resigning players only comes down to money, the list goes on.
    It wouldn't be so bad if the things that were there had some depth but it doesn't. Wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle. And that puddle is starting to dry up. They need to at least iterate on the stuff they do have. Scouting has been the same since that system was put into place. Gameplanning hasn't been touched and some drills are just broken this year. The scenario engine is really basic and has not even tapped into its potential at all. There's a whole thread that was started last year of possible scenarios that should be in the game and could be a gamechanger for that alone.
    Hopefully they'll scrap story mode and put those resources into classic franchise without the community starting a hashtag trend. I'm sure most of us feel like if we didn't get it trending earlier this year M22 would have seen minimal improvements next year too.
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    oneamongthefence
    I think the franchise mode is purposefully predictable. It's why all the scenarios all have really minor negative consequence. I think EA thinks users would complain if too much stuff is left up to RNG. So regression is predictable, dev trait increases are predictable, no career ending injuries, contracts are really basic, scouting is completely user based, coaches don't really matter, the xp system is...predictable when you'll receive upgrades, the draft classes don't have much variation and rarely will you see an all around stud, resigning players only comes down to money, the list goes on.
    It wouldn't be so bad if the things that were there had some depth but it doesn't. Wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle. And that puddle is starting to dry up. They need to at least iterate on the stuff they do have. Scouting has been the same since that system was put into place. Gameplanning hasn't been touched and some drills are just broken this year. The scenario engine is really basic and has not even tapped into its potential at all. There's a whole thread that was started last year of possible scenarios that should be in the game and could be a gamechanger for that alone.
    Hopefully they'll scrap story mode and put those resources into classic franchise without the community starting a hashtag trend. I'm sure most of us feel like if we didn't get it trending earlier this year M22 would have seen minimal improvements next year too.
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    In parts I agree - in other parts I would question if that's maybe the community that is built like that. And that's just an open question, because I feel mainly US guys are less interested into the real management part with everything good and bad happening.
    I can remember a football (soccer) management game by EA (Football Manager 20xx) that was mainly played in middle Europe. I'm very sure that this was the deepest sports management game ever created with a whole lot of positive and negative stories all over the place. While it lasted several years, it never became a prime title because there was no demand outside of this quite small market in comparison. And it actually died when online gaming became popular as this depth wasn't really transferable to online leagues.
    So we have a simpler online demand (better easy apps instead of complex games), NFL prohibiting certain real storylines (substance abuse, concussions,...), and likely EA not wanting to implement negative stories (trade requests, moral drops, holdouts,...) to avoid demotivating gamers. That thrown together is the predictable shallow franchise mode we have now. And people don't even play that mode, because arcade MUT is much more popular and brings more money. Tough to argue with EA there.
    So is my feeling right, that most gamers actually prefer the easier game experience than the actual complex management? Likely won't get the right answer here, but I'm not sure about the majority buying the game...
    kehlis
    It's fine to call a spade a spade. Like I said last time, valid criticism is okay and there is nothing wrong with it. As an offline player myself, I have a huge problem with what I saw before versus what's come to light now.
    What we don't allow is subjective opinions like lazy, incompetant, etc. We all may ASSUME that based on the product we get, but we have no way of knowing that's the cause of the end product without understanding all that goes behind the game.
    (I'm going to add to this with the below quote though because you both said the same thing, and I don't completely disagree)
    I don't believe they lied to us. Based on the twitter exchange I saw from Swami, the earlier post saying it was delayed in order to make sure they could get it into patches was always intended to be for cloud saves only.
    He does add that some of the additions wouldn't be possible to add to an offline franchise. I'm not a programmer, so personally, I defer to the game devs on that perspective.
    THAT SAID. I do believe that the announcement saying the delay to make sure franchises didn't need a restart was either intentionally misleading or very unintentionally obtuse and/or absent minded to this portion of their player base.
    Brushing it off as "this is why we suggest cloud franchises" is to me, very irresponsible as it pertains to this situation.
    Personally, I prefer full transparency. Even then, if it's something I don't like, I at least appreciate the transparency.
    What happened here was either intentional deception or unintentional ignorance and I'm not okay with either to be honest.

    Very well put and said.
    Sorry if this was asked and answered, and I just missed it... but will the patch updates apply to my existing offline franchise? I know that EA said no need to restart a franchise for these, but sounds like there is some split as to whether they really just meant no existing online ones (and that offline franchises are screwed).
    Thanks.
    spfhelmiii
    Sorry if this was asked and answered, and I just missed it... but will the patch updates apply to my existing offline franchise? I know that EA said no need to restart a franchise for these, but sounds like there is some split as to whether they really just meant no existing online ones (and that offline franchises are screwed).
    Thanks.

    Existing offline franchises are not going to get the updates. A new franchise will have to be created once the patch drops if you want the updates in but want an offline franchise.
    Hassan Darkside
    My logical next question is for those who start a new offline franchise for these updates, will they have to start a new one in January for the next Franchise update?

    That is the implication, yes. If they can't patch the current update into existing offline files, it stands to reason (to my mind) that they won't be able to patch future updates into existing offline files.
    The Kid 24
    Not sure what Swami was talking about but apparently existing offline Franchises get the updates.
    Some dude said in the other patch thread.

    Can confirm...loading a saved franchise file gets you the same "patching offline save" dialogue as last year. When that's finished running, all the new features are available on load.
    jfsolo
    They can wreck gameplay, gut Franchise mode and that would be terrible, but bringing back Tony Bruno would be a permanent no buy for me for the rest of time.

    Word. Not every feature that existed and was then removed was actually a loss.
    The Bruno show constitutes a low point of the series for me.
    Hassan Darkside
    My logical next question is for those who start a new offline franchise for these updates, will they have to start a new one in January for the next Franchise update?

    I was wondering that too.
    Herky
    I was wondering that too.

    Today's update applied to existing offline franchises so I would think the other updates coming, should be just like today and apply to ALL franchises.
    Sportsfan28
    Well I guess we’re all eating a piece of humble pie today...
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    The best part was, it was pretty clear he was speculating...somebody way upthread called out the big difference between "I don't think this can be done" and "I've confirmed with the people who make the game that it won't apply to offline saves".
    The speculation itself was weird...surely Swami was aware that offline save file patches were a thing for most of last cycle?...but the ramp-up from one guy's speculative thought to near-certain truth to "TO THE BARRICADES!" was extremely educational to watch.
    I think this whole community has some form of PTSD.
    Yeah, I went for Swami's tweet hook, line and sinka.
    I'll gladly have some humble pie and some others should state the obvious as well after the fact.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    It's tiny. It shouldn't have taken 3 months for this. Announcing this with what 2K has been doing has to be embarrassing for them. But it is what it is.
    Most concerning thing is that their definition of AI Personnel Logic Updates has changed since their original blog post (https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-21/news/gridiron-notes-madden-nfl-21-franchise-update-8-3)
    Originally they said... "AI PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT - The AI will make better team management decisions in the draft, free agency and trades."
    Now they say the updates will ONLY apply to QB's in the draft... What in the world. Most of us expect to get lied to by EA with their track record in these Gridiron Notes, but cmon now. That's just crazy.
    And before someone hops in with "oh this is only the 2nd of their 3 updates"... yeah i know, but if it's taking them 6 months to only address a very tiny issue with QB's, how are they going to update all other positions in all other scenarios outside of that tiny little one that they're taking 3 months to address?

    Jesus, some folks are never happy. I couldn't have this much hatred towards a game and still purchase it every year. I for one am happy that they are working on improvements and it doesn't need to be perfect because no developer is. No offense but I think it's time for some folks to find a new hobby. I'm sure we can expect the same negativity at the next update even though you and others new exactly what was coming three months ago.
    khaliib
    So let the thoughts about the injected aspects begin, esp Ability Customization.
    I get off late today at the hospital.

    At the offline solo franchise level, Ability Customization is candy. I just got straightened out in the other thread regarding the impact to league play, but for a solo chise...just the ability to pull Clutch Kicker off my punter (because everybody tries to ice the punter, amirite?) without having to re-roll and pray was nice.
    Ran home for lunch to test the update.
    Wasn’t for sure how the regression would work, but it looks like it just determines how many players (per your slider) in your Franchise will be in each Dev Trait bucket.
    Outside of QB position that can be higher, 85 OVR is the max 2nd Ability unlock requirement (FB/OL = 80), so the Ability regression doesn’t affect a players ratings etc, it just cap that Trait.
    - so you can have an 85 OVR RB that ends up falling into the Star Dev bucket.
    *** still curious to what’s used to determine which player remains and which gets kicked out of that bucket
    From my perspective, this will work best by the Ability Regression minimizing players progressing into higher Dev Traits via a Scrub or Front End generated level edited roster vs default EA rosters with a plethora of overly rated players.
    *** the reason this is important is per Dev note, the higher positional ratings are, the less impact SS/X-Factor Abilities will have during that interaction.
    Whether doing a Scrub or using EA’s Roster, it’s going to require a couple of seasons into a Franchise to really see the control balance of this feature.
    I also like the each game stat UI, just wish there was a more User friendly way to quickly get to this info.
    Can’t wait to get off to fiddle some more.
    ***because I scrub my Franchise, something I’m going to test is lower the Star Dev Slider to bare min and see if creating a bigger gap with a Franchise with mostly Norm Dev players and the the few SS/X-Factor Ability Trait players is impactful and feasible. (I want greater Player Differentiation between players)
    I think a true regression slider would have went great with dev trait regression. Let us determine when and how regression occurs. I can see an issue where older players that are still really good especially qbs lose their abilities even though logically they shouldn't since qbs can regress at a relatively early age compared to real life where there's very little drop off once they turn 30-34 and is often where a QB can hit their peak in their careers. In Madden it's often regression time.
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    tg88forHOF
    At the offline solo franchise level, Ability Customization is candy. I just got straightened out in the other thread regarding the impact to league play, but for a solo chise...just the ability to pull Clutch Kicker off my punter (because everybody tries to ice the punter, amirite?) without having to re-roll and pray was nice.

    Agree 100% - I'm looking forward to managing these in my offline franchise. Some of the bonuses just don't even make sense with the players they are allocated too, are too impactful, or are too weak.
    And silly as it sounds... having a continually updated Playoff Bracket is going to do a lot for immersion/interest towards the end of each season.
    spfhelmiii
    Agree 100% - I'm looking forward to managing these in my offline franchise. Some of the bonuses just don't even make sense with the players they are allocated too, are too impactful, or are too weak.
    And silly as it sounds... having a continually updated Playoff Bracket is going to do a lot for immersion/interest towards the end of each season.

    I for one, love the playoff bracket addition... Now I dont have to go thru tiles to find the schedule to see who's in the playoffs.
    The Kid 24
    I for one, love the playoff bracket addition... Now I dont have to go thru tiles to find the schedule to see who's in the playoffs.

    Also like that the bracket seeds the teams as well. Solid addition.
    B
    BTW
    Also like that the bracket seeds the teams as well. Solid addition.
    B

    Crazy it took this long to get something this simple. Wish they’d pick up on Deuce Douglas’s ideas for franchise.
    tommycoa
    Crazy it took this long to get something this simple. Wish they’d pick up on Deuce Douglas’s ideas for franchise.

    Right, its kinda sad the little things we praise EA for. I'll be the first to admit part of the praise for these simple things that takes EA a lifetime to implement. It's 2020 and they finally add mouthpieces over a decade later (which we still don't have full control over) & a playoff bracket. Just goes to show how neglected & starved the sim community/gamers are with EA sports in charge.
    Honestly, I had shelved M21 for the past 6-7 weeks just worked on rosters for my Franchise I had planned to start when this update went live. For me personally, I’m enjoying customizing the ‘Abilities’ and as weird as it sounds, I love the updated player card/stat/team-tracking.
    That’s somethng I have always enjoyed since a kid; just being able to see the team players played on in each year. I’m glad to have that back despite how minute it may seem to some.
    That and catches allowed..only works in simmed games. Been that way for years now.
    SnoopD
    Still they cant Fix the tackle stats.
    It bugs the hell, when some players have over 200 Tackles!!!!

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    So I guess I was right about existing offline franchises, I was gonna test it out as soon as the update went live but then realized all of my franchises were cloud ones, which I do recommend because you get the tuning updates and stuff faster. Happy for the offline franchise crowd, I know that’s big that you don’t have to restart. I agree about the playoff bracket, I hope they take the next step with it and add some commentary for it and implement some kind of weekly wrap up show.
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    njmcfreak
    I can get Madden 21 for about 15 bucks, is it worth it now? I haven't even played a second of it and I still have 20.

    I think it will be worth it if you have or are planning on getting a next gen console, if not I probably wouldn’t.
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    I know it’s been discussed before, but I just loaded up a franchise in NBA 2k 21 for the series x and I was actually overwhelmed with all the stuff going on. I only spent a few minutes in the menus because I wanted to play a quick game
    First the options to do basically anything you want (rules, salary cap, lottery). The customization is unreal
    2nd. The ability to have a fantasy draft with retro players (and yes you can even choose to or not have the same player from different years)
    3rd . Practice options running your plays
    Now to presentation. It starts with the ending of the National Anthem. Then a sideline reporter talks about a team. Then during the game they cut to a before the game interview with Kyle Kuzma about what he is trying to improve on this year. Just blown away. Now does it get repetitive of skipped over, I’m sure eventually it could or people do already. But man, I just wished we had just some of what 2k has to offer.
    njmcfreak
    I can get Madden 21 for about 15 bucks, is it worth it now? I haven't even played a second of it and I still have 20.

    I think it is absolutely worth it....even if you are not going next gen. Madden is behind the times compared to other sports franchises but it still is a really good game IMHO. I play it on PC so I am forced to play full price for a long time since no deal on PC games appear for a long time.
    What is your background with Madden? Have you played Madden 20? There are other things to factor in your decision. But I still think for $15 you can't go wrong.
    ChicagoChris
    Cut them a break. They are continuing to support M21 with COVID, Next gen, they are probably busy. Sure M21 is a marginal game compared to others but they are working on it.
    The good thing about the franchise fix is that it will carry over into M22. I am not excusing EA for putting out M21 in the shape it is but they are trying.

    I agree with you! People are so quick to go negative nowadays and refused to look at the big picture. They realized that they messed up by not doing more to franchise, so they are giving things that given the time of year and everything else going on we probably normally wouldn’t of got. Plus gotta walk before you crawl. Improve what you already have and add things over time. With the game already out we wasn’t going to get a massive overhaul.
    The Black Redneck
    I agree with you! People are so quick to go negative nowadays and refused to look at the big picture. They realized that they messed up by not doing more to franchise, so they are giving things that given the time of year and everything else going on we probably normally wouldn’t of got. Plus gotta walk before you crawl. Improve what you already have and add things over time. With the game already out we wasn’t going to get a massive overhaul.

    The problem is they only realized they messed up because of a negative trend #fixmaddenfranchise. I agree, some people can be too quick to be negative but I think there is a legit reason to not support this game if you are a franchise player. I'm optimistic about next gen though and eager to hear what's in store on Wednesday.
    Balldude777
    The problem is they only realized they messed up because of a negative trend #fixmaddenfranchise. I agree, some people can be too quick to be negative but I think there is a legit reason to not support this game if you are a franchise player. I'm optimistic about next gen though and eager to hear what's in store on Wednesday.

    Were getting Madden next gen news on Wednesday? Where did you see/hear that?
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    jpdavis82
    Were getting Madden next gen news on Wednesday? Where did you see/hear that?
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    @OperationSports on Twitter. Bob is writing an apparently "deep" preview about it.
    Balldude777
    Ok, I'm officially on the hype train. This is their chance to have an answer to all the criticism they've gotten this year. Let's see what they did...

    Optimization for the PS5 controller is hardly enough to get me excited. I'm sure it's cool, but current gen madden with cool controller buzzes isn't moving the needle for me.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Optimization for the PS5 controller is hardly enough to get me excited. I'm sure it's cool, but current gen madden with cool controller buzzes isn't moving the needle for me.

    It seems pretty clearly implied (to me, anyway) that there will be more discussed than just the controller.
    tg88forHOF
    It seems pretty clearly implied (to me, anyway) that there will be more discussed than just the controller.

    For sure, but 600 words about a controller doesn't get me hyped for the preview. With Madden it is clear that we should expect the minimum. If there's 600 words about the controller than the whole writeup could still be 700 words lol. Madden and this team are a perennial disappointment. Expecting anything else is just wishful thinking against their track record of mediocrity.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    For sure, but 600 words about a controller doesn't get me hyped for the preview. With Madden it is clear that we should expect the minimum. If there's 600 words about the controller than the whole writeup could still be 700 words lol. Madden and this team are a perennial disappointment. Expecting anything else is just wishful thinking against their track record of mediocrity.

    It also seemed pretty clearly implied to me that the word count was intended to convey the overall depth of the piece...as in, we're already at 600 words just talking about the controller, picture how deep and detailed the whole thing will be.
    600 words about the controller in a 700-word piece is certainly possible, but it doesn't feel like the most likely scenario, or the most reasonable takeaway from that tease/statement.
    At a certain point, it feels like it could be looking for a reason to be disappointed before the piece is even released, you know?
    tg88forHOF
    It seems pretty clearly implied (to me, anyway) that there will be more discussed than just the controller.
    Yeah it's obvious, but when folks are locked into a negative mindset about Madden then those kinds of flippant statements are going to be made. C'est la vie.
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    tg88forHOF
    It also seemed pretty clearly implied to me that the word count was intended to convey the overall depth of the piece...as in, we're already at 600 words just talking about the controller, picture how deep and detailed the whole thing will be.
    600 words about the controller in a 700-word piece is certainly possible, but it doesn't feel like the most likely scenario, or the most reasonable takeaway from that tease/statement.
    At a certain point, it feels like it could be looking for a reason to be disappointed before the piece is even released, you know?

    Again, just keeping my expectations in line with their track record. There's nothing about Madden 21 to this point, or their delaying of the next gen release to December, that has given me any reason for optimism. I'm interested to see what's in the blog but when 2K had real improvements they marketted the crap out of them way before release. Madden has been as quiet as it gets about next gen since EA Play in June. I'm not anti-madden but I'm a realist and I don't expect this team to suddenly break tradition and actually do something that exceeds our expectations for once.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Again, just keeping my expectations in line with their track record. There's nothing about Madden 21 to this point, or their delaying of the next gen release to December, that has given me any reason for optimism. I'm interesting to see what's involved but when 2K had real improvements they marketted the crap out of them way before release. Madden has been as quiet as it gets about next gen since EA Play in June. I'm not anti-madden but I'm a realist and I don't expect this team to suddenly break traditional and actually do something that exceeds our expectations for once.

    That's cool....I've just never seen that pessimism extended and applied to a teaser for a review that hasn't even been fully written yet, that's all.
    tg88forHOF
    That's cool....I've just never seen that pessimism extended and applied to a teaser for a review that hasn't even been fully written yet, that's all.

    It was more directed at the sudden optimism that came from that teaser. If people are pumped for next gen, that's cool, but i don't see the rationale for it considering tiburon is still the studio creating this game. It's not like something big changed and the team who took 3 months to deliver breadcrumbs to franchise is all of the sudden going to overhaul the whole game without advertising it.
    If people want to buy into the hype that's cool but i've been fooled by this team too many times to make that mistake here.
    Yeh, I'm just excited to actually get some info so we can actually get a grasp on what is going to be available to us. FIFA has also been as quiet as Madden, my hope is we are getting some sort of rebuild in both games and they needed the extra month to make sure they were completely prepared. It would also explain why NHL took next gen off. If it was being ported, I don't see why they wouldn't be involved too.
    Or it could be that they wanted to completely avoid the comparison with NBA. Even if that was the case, I don't think one month is going to make a difference there. It's still going to get compared regardless. I'm just looking forward to finding out the answer to that question.
    How the heck can anyone keep anything straight around here, man? lolz.
    There is a next Gen thread dedicated to NG and all of a sudden NG news creeps in this thread and drops in the NG thread.
    Ok.......... You are all fired. lol
    Interesting to see what the team has been working on for NG.
    roadman
    How the heck can anyone keep anything straight around here, man? lolz.
    There is a next Gen thread dedicated to NG and all of a sudden NG news creeps in this thread and drops in the NG thread.
    Ok.......... You are all fired. lol
    Interesting to see what the team has been working on for NG.

    Anyone know what time their stuff typically typically drops? Do they still do that twitch stream for MUT?
    It's real annoying buying a game, then having to wait til after the New Year for it to only be 2/3rds of the way complete. I really just want shoes colors in the edit player screen, which will probably never happen, but MONTHS and MONTHS after release, the fact that this is still a broken, unfinished game is just pathetic. Screw #fixmyfranchise, more like #MaddenIwantmymoneyback
    DodgersFTMFWSW
    It's real annoying buying a game, then having to wait til after the New Year for it to only be 2/3rds of the way complete. I really just want shoes colors in the edit player screen, which will probably never happen, but MONTHS and MONTHS after release, the fact that this is still a broken, unfinished game is just pathetic. Screw #fixmyfranchise, more like #MaddenIwantmymoneyback

    I in no way want people to not be able to enjoy their game, and I hate that for you. But we need to quit buying Madden in general. For one we are supporting them not supporting us (If you are a franchise person). I understand we need our football fix, but if we really want them to change we need a new hashtag titled #BoycottMadden.
    SashaBanksFan4Ever
    Is madden worth getting?

    Everyone has their own opinions, but it's definitely worth getting a 1 month subscription to EA Play for $5, downloading the free 10 hour trial, and then cancelling your EA Play and getting a refund for that $5 once you finish the trial. That's a totally free way to get 10 hours with the game so you can answer this questions for yourself.
    Balldude777
    but if we really want them to change we need a new hashtag titled #BoycottMadden.

    If I had a nickel for everyone that said they were boycotting Madden for the past decade, I'd retire a rich person.
    At least fix franchise worked, boycotting hasn't.
    From what I understand EA is “not” going to continue any more upgrades for Franchise.
    Saw this on Ryan Moody’s site, if this is true I’m really disappointed.
    Anyone have different news on this I’d like to know...
    tuckermaine
    From what I understand EA is “not” going to continue any more upgrades fro Franchise.
    Saw this on Ryan Moody’s site, if this is true I’m really disappointed.
    Anyone have different news on this I’d like to know...

    I think we would need to see the context and what he means by that. It would mean they've changed course in the last couple days. As the release in the OP of this story mentioned, this is the first of three franchise updates with the next due in January and followed by the last one in February I believe.
    roadman
    If I had a nickel for everyone that said they were boycotting Madden for the past decade, I'd retire a rich person.
    At least fix franchise worked, boycotting hasn't.
    How exactly has it worked, though?
    All they provided so far are vague promises for M22 (we've heard all of that before) and debatable, though enjoyable, cosmetics for M21. But there's still a looooooong way in front of them to go get the mode to a somewhat respectable, not to mention competitive, level.
    And knowing EA, it's probably fair to wonder how long and how commited they are to staying on that way.
    I for one do not believe they care one bit. They'll probably do the bare minimum and move on, if they already didn't.
    Just my opinion though.
    I guess it's too much to ask that Ryan Moody not be use as source on OS for anything about Madden. It's like going to a vegan website to find out info about the best ground beef to buy.
    jfsolo
    I guess it's too much to ask that Ryan Moody not be use as source on OS for anything about Madden. It's like going to a vegan website to find out info about the best ground beef to buy.

    I actually used him in my lesson today about market research. I said how some companies use secondary research because its cheaper and more convenient. But one of the negatives of secondary data includes bias information. And he is pretty bias in one direction.
    Even his "compliments" are negatives. He is agenda based marketing at its finest. Get those clicks a d that cash from YouTube. Thats his agenda. Not to make madden better.
    jfsolo
    I guess it's too much to ask that Ryan Moody not be use as source on OS for anything about Madden. It's like going to a vegan website to find out info about the best ground beef to buy.

    Moody definitely has a ax to grind I’ll give you that.
    But one doesn't have to look to him for Madden blunders and misgivings, they glare as sure as the sun without any help from him....
    I’m hoping he is wrong on this (about Franchise) and once again I’m “Hoping” Madden will FINALLY put out a football game we all can enjoy.
    tuckermaine
    From what I understand EA is “not” going to continue any more upgrades for Franchise.
    Saw this on Ryan Moody’s site, if this is true I’m really disappointed.
    Anyone have different news on this I’d like to know...

    The next update is due out in January, the next gen articles even mentioned it.
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