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It Came From the Forums: 'Sell Me On OOTP'

“Sell me on this series.”

I don’t know about you folks, but this is something I have heard when it comes to books, movies and television, but I hear it most often with video games. Or, I should rephrase and say, I get asked the question most often with video games. Maybe that is because my friends know I’m into video games, but either way this is a question that is certainly asked all the time with all sorts of entertainment.

OOTP 21 (and OOTP overall) is another game where I see this question crop up year after year. People know how critically acclaimed the series is, but they still need a push to jump into things. They most often just need to know if they can get into a text sim. They need to know if they can move beyond just The Show to something else. In a sense, it’s a yearly tradition to see this question in the OOTP portion of our forums, and so I want to point out the thread here if you either want to sell someone on the series or be sold on it.

I’ll highlight one message here from forum user OReilly10 since it’s both got positives and negatives in it to balance each other out.


The product is great.

The biggest factor for me though is the level of engagement that the developers have with the users. They have a lot of twitch streams and it feels like they are as big of a fan of the game as us. I could converse online via a few avenues with people who create the game at any time and ideas/suggestions are welcome. Suggestions are implemented and the game is improved every year. If a suggestion isn’t good, often times you will get an explanation.

The product itself is outstanding. It is a fun, engaging, deep, well-balanced experience. A complete sandbox to do what you want. Do you want to pick up the Marlins starting with the expansion draft in 1992 and re-start history? It’s there. You want to start the Reds franchise from the 1800s? Go for it. The rules, financial rules, and even the monetary scaling all evolve with the times — unless you choose to do a different way. Do you want a salary cap and re-draft the 1927 season? Do it. Fictional League with all fictional teams? Start a new expansion for 2020 as a team from your city and also add another in? Do you want to just pick up the Cubs franchise as a GM (and could be the manager too) starting in 2020 moving forward? Then do it. It is very deep. You have a full minor league system, scouts, coaches (even recent retired players pop up as new coaches you could hire).

Everything is very customizable too. Their forum is filled with mods, logos, uniforms, ballparks, etc.

I never got into the card collection games, but their Perfect Team drew me in. It is a lot of fun.

The gameplay isn’t good though if you need a video game experience. You can manage and watch the game play out (or just spectate).


I don’t remember the last time we didn’t write a glowing review for OOTP, so we do what we can to sell folks on it, but maybe reading some responses from other folks in the community will push you to take the plunge as well.
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  1. thescoop
    I've been considering this game. I've actually thought about getting it for the last couple of seasons but haven't pulled the trigger. I love baseball and love some of the front office stuff. I've been missing a lot of that when playing The Show.
    So if you're already a fan please tell me why I should invest in this series? Thank you in advance to those who take the time to give me some insight.

    I am very new to the series but this game is amazing. The depth is simply outstanding. YOu can play ANY historical season you want, and even include real transactions to happen during the seasons as they did IRL.
    If you love 'front office stuff' this is absolutely the game for you. It is admittedly overwhelming at first--but man, once you get into it, it is SO good!
    If you're a FIFA player and you've played Football Manager, it's strikingly similar dynamic.
    This game has really put a damper on franchise mode for me for MLBTS (which, I still love). It just makes the mode look even more 'bare bones' than it did before.
    Well worth $39.99 IMO.
    The level of detail is absolutely unmatched by any sports game.. in the history of gaming. As it should be for MLB.
    Play any season in the history of MLB with a couple of mouse clicks.
    One of the most unique games ever made.
    Maybe the best thing, nearly every rule, option, set up can be turned on/off or adjusted.
    It's extremely customizable. The developers listen to feedback and try their best to get everything put into the game whether on release or throughout the year.
    I'm a fictional league player. Been playing ootp for years.
    I created my own league, spent some time to put in logos and jerseys. The game now ships with some decent logos for thousands of teams that the community worked on. That along with the facegen the game comes with helps to make the players more real and not just a name on a spreadsheet.
    I've played my fictional universe for several versions now and you start to follow the best players in the leagues like in real life.
    I love to look over the different statistical leaders, like career hr and see Joe Smith has 490 or my season saves record could be broken soon.
    With options set up you can have your assistant gm do several of the tasks, look after minor league teams etc at the start and then you can take over at any time. Maybe do a test league that you can fool around in trying out trades, free agent signings without worrying about wrecking your real league.
    There's even a commissioner mode you can toggle on allowing you to go over budget, force trades, edit players etc so you further set things up in your league like you want.
    This year they tweaked the continue button so you should get prompted to do the next important task which will help guide new players throughout the baseball year.
    With ootp it's a game that you can get through seasons really quick if you want if you like to dive into the league history and stats or you can use the real time sim and have the day play out in real time, or 2x, 4x etc, with your game playing out in 3d if you want.
    The product is great.
    The biggest factor for me though is the level of engagement that the developers have with the users. They have a lot of twitch streams and it feels like they are as big of a fan of the game as us. I could converse online via a few avenues with people who create the game at any time and ideas/suggestions are welcome. Suggestions are implemented and the game is improved every year. If a suggestion isn't good, often times you will get an explanation.
    The product itself is outstanding. It is a fun, engaging, deep, well-balanced experience. A complete sandbox to do what you want. Do you want to pick up the Marlins starting with the expansion draft in 1992 and re-start history? Its there. You want to start the Reds franchise from the 1800s? Go for it. The rules, financial rules, and even the monitary scaling all evolve with the times.... unless you choose to do a different way. Do you want a salary cap and re-draft the 1927 season? Do it. Fictional League with all fictional teams? Start a new expansion for 2020 as a team from your city and also add another in? Do you want to just pick up the Cubs franchise as a GM (and could be the manager too) starting in 2020 moving forward? Then do it. It is very deep. You have a full minor league system, scouts, coaches (even recent retired players pop up as new coaches you could hire).
    Everything is very customizable too. Their forum is filled with mods, logos, uniforms, ballparks, etc.
    I never got into the card collection games, but their Perfect Team drew me in. It is a lot of fun.
    The game-play isnt good though if you need a video game experience. You can manage and watch the game play out (or just spectate).
    I've been playing since v2 many, many years ago.
    When they finally went 3d, my dreams finally became reality and I was able to let go of FPS Baseball 96. :)
    Immersive, deep, accurate, beautiful, engaging and just a wonderful baseball sports simulation. I have hundreds of hours with each version.
    I lay awake at night thinking about my next trade or how to get the best out of my lineup for the next series. It's easy to change logos/jerseys and facegen is awesome.
    There is no other simulation like it.
    Calling up my 1st round pick CF and watching him smash a HR on his first at bat is a feeling you just don't get with most simulations.
    There is so much you can do and adjust. Like it was said earlier. If you want to make a league based in the Game of Thrones world, you can. I've created a Pokemon Baseball League complete with the cities in the regions. The OOTP World is your oyster!
    thescoop
    I've been considering this game. I've actually thought about getting it for the last couple of seasons but haven't pulled the trigger. I love baseball and love some of the front office stuff. I've been missing a lot of that when playing The Show.
    So if you're already a fan please tell me why I should invest in this series? Thank you in advance to those who take the time to give me some insight.

    The key word in your post is "some". If you're like me, you might love trying to build a dynasty through free agency, the farm systems, and trades, but maybe you're not crazy about some of the obscure real life rules.
    Don't like draft pick compensation for signing a Free Agent? Turn it off. Don't like the 40 man roster and wavier rules? Turn them off. Too many minor leagues? You can restructure the minors or eliminate them altogether.
    Want to replay baseball history with a draft, free agency, and a salary cap? You can do it. Want to make a league in Zimbabwe with a max of two South African imports per team, that resembles the dead-ball era and does a complete redraft every year? Yep, you can do that.
    thescoop
    I've been considering this game. I've actually thought about getting it for the last couple of seasons but haven't pulled the trigger. I love baseball and love some of the front office stuff. I've been missing a lot of that when playing The Show.
    So if you're already a fan please tell me why I should invest in this series? Thank you in advance to those who take the time to give me some insight.

    I bought it for the fist time a couple of days ago when it went on sale for $20. I'm an avid "The Show" player (play almost daily) and never thought much of a baseball game where you don't really control the action. But I was looking for something that was sort of background noise for my "work from home" quarantine. I was thinking I was going to be overwhelmed and confused by the amount of depth and the amount of information on the user interface I was happily wrong. I was up and running with "Perfect Team" in no time and it didn't take long to figure things out. Weirdly enough I find myself tweaking my line up, searching the market for upgrades, and generally having a good time with the game. The solo game is great as well, I'm trying to turn the pathetic 1986 Mariners into a winner and stop the Red Sox from fleecing them via trades...can't wait to see how it turns out, currently 1-1...Langston just threw a complete game. Gorman Thomas is 0-6 with 3 k's....need a new DH....hmmmm
    I guess the biggest thing is, this is the best baseball simulation on the market. Until MLB The Show gets on PC (if it does), this is the best option.
    misterkrabz2
    I'm trying to turn the pathetic 1986 Mariners into a winner and stop the Red Sox from fleecing them via trades...can't wait to see how it turns out, currently 1-1...Langston just threw a complete game. Gorman Thomas is 0-6 with 3 k's....need a new DH....hmmmm

    ha, thats great.
    This stuff is what sets OOTP apart IMO. Perfect Team is great, but not without flaws... probably needs a few more years of development and balancing to be honest.
    The endless possibilities and history with the solo game is fantastic.
    OReilly10
    ha, thats great.
    This stuff is what sets OOTP apart IMO. Perfect Team is great, but not without flaws... probably needs a few more years of development and balancing to be honest.
    The endless possibilities and history with the solo game is fantastic.

    I'll admit, I'm having more fun with Perfect Team than whatever MLB The Show does.
    Perfect team has a really good concept down, but IMO still needs quite a bit of work in balancing, card options, and remaining 'fun'
    This year, the live collection rewards were easy to get, but overpowered. This gave everyone the same cards at certain levels. These cards carry very little value due to being so common. Upgrades are very uncommon and are super expensive (like to the tune of multiple hundreds or real dollars equivalent). To try to mitigate that, they seemed to try to dump more really good cards in there which result in some head-scratching players... and they are still impossible to get. I have 1 team I spent a few bucks on during the lockdown as well as 2 others, and they are all kind of floating in a purgatory between the Gold and Diamond levels.
    And I get that you need to really feel it when you get good cards, and things shouldnt be easy and everyone doesnt need gratification all the time.... but darn it, these packs give you nothing like 99.9% of the time, and there is zero way to earn Perfect Points other than cheating the system (tanking).
    I love the variability and how many players there are. Also really like the tournament structure for the most part, although the interface there needs further development.
    IMO the possibilities for this are endless. I love the fact that its sims and not playing. It doesnt need to take a ton of time. The app is forthcoming which will increase access tenfold. The developers are also fans too and listen and implement suggestions.
    I wish OOTP allowed me to play, not just sim. If this game had the depth it does *and* you could play games traditionally? Oh man.
    Simming through games is fun, but not the same as actually playing. I kinda wish you could pick specific pitches to try for pitchers in certain situations. If they add *that* depth it'd be really really cool. Or specifically have hitters in one at bat decide whether they want a contact swing or a power swing, attempt opposite way, etc.
    I always try to play this game. This year I've actually immersed myself in it. It's overwhelming but amazing in most ways. It's so extensive. And I mostly only concern myself with the franchise mode.
    If I started a season in a past year, does it automatically load all the info on all the players and all the ratings and everything?
    TheMatrix31
    I wish OOTP allowed me to play, not just sim. If this game had the depth it does *and* you could play games traditionally? Oh man.
    Simming through games is fun, but not the same as actually playing. I kinda wish you could pick specific pitches to try for pitchers in certain situations. If they add *that* depth it'd be really really cool. Or specifically have hitters in one at bat decide whether they want a contact swing or a power swing, attempt opposite way, etc.
    I always try to play this game. This year I've actually immersed myself in it. It's overwhelming but amazing in most ways. It's so extensive. And I mostly only concern myself with the franchise mode.
    If I started a season in a past year, does it automatically load all the info on all the players and all the ratings and everything?

    So you can only watch the game you don’t get to mage the game by choosing bunt or hit and run or pulling pitchers?
    themoneyteam1212
    So you can only watch the game you don’t get to mage the game by choosing bunt or hit and run or pulling pitchers?
    Everything you do is from the management side. So you can choose to bunt for a hit, hit and run, warm up pitchers, double switch etc. It does feel very disconnected though.
    Basically your options are
    Swing away
    Bunt for hit
    Take pitch
    Steal
    Hit and run
    Similar options on the pitching side, and you can
    You can either have the game let you choose those selections each pitch or have it so you pick 1 per at bat and then have the game just show you the result (swing and miss, grounder to the left side etc) if you want a little faster experience
    All you get though are very basic 3d models which removes a lot of the immersion from the game.
    It is still a great game but I do agree that I wish there was a way to get MLB the show type gameplay with Ootp depth
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    KSUowls

    Basically your options are
    Swing away
    Bunt for hit
    Take pitch
    Steal
    Hit and run

    Maybe I'm doing something wrong, bunt for hit is the one option I can't find that I'm shocked wasn't in.
    I only have those options but instead of bunt for hit, it's just bunt.
    I would really like both but can't seem to find out to bunt for hit.
    (I would like to assume that selecting bunt with no one on would automatically default to bunt for hit but haven't had success. And beyond that, there are times with a runner on first that I would prefer to try and bunt for a hit versus sacrificing.

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