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Taking a Look at NBA 2K18's Player Ratings So Far

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Taking a Look at NBA 2K18's Player Ratings So Far

NBA 2K18 player ratings are starting to trickle out.  As we inch closer and closer (although not close enough) to release day, let’s take a look at the ratings so far, discussing what players are underrated and what players are overrated.

UNDERRATED

Paul George (91)

PG-13 famously changed teams this offseason, moving offices from Indianapolis all the way to Oklahoma City.  In OKC, he will team up with Russell Westbrook, a pairing that has the potential to shake up the non-Warriors faction of the Western Conference.  The big question is whether this partnership will last for more than a season as George has been rumored to be Lakers-bound for a few months now.

Comparing him to the rest of the field, he seems to be rated appropriately. There is an argument to be made that Karl-Anthony Towns is too young to be rated on the same level as Paul George — but I won’t be the one to make that argument. If anything, I would argue that PG is a little underrated here and should be around a 92-93.  He’s one of the best two-way players in the league and will make a great tandem with Russell Westbrook (who, by the way, is a safe bet to be rated around 95 or higher).

Dwight Howard (81)

There is no debate that Dwight Howard is no longer the player he once was, and no one wants to pay him what he’s making right now.  The aging process alone will do that to any player, but couple that with Dwight’s noted back issues and it would be unreasonable to expect him to remain at his MVP level of over five years ago.  Where there is debate, however, is just how effective Dwight Howard is in today’s NBA.  Hence his inclusion on the ‘underrated’ section of this list.

Critics will argue that the game has passed him by, and that there are few minutes left in the NBA for traditional big men like Dwight Howard, no matter how skilled they may be. They also say that although Dwight has elite talent when it comes to defending and rebounding, he doesn’t give maximum effort on that end unless he gets plenty of touches on offense — touches that have decreased each year as NBA offenses move further away from the basket.

Even as an admitted Dwight fan, I can’t argue with any of that. Still, 81 seems low to almost a disrespectful degree. He’s four points lower than Drummond, which may be a bit steep considering Drummond’s sluggish past season and his poor track record on defense. After all, Drummond was supposed to be the new Dwight, but is he really even approaching that comparison? I think something around 84-85 for Dwight would be appropriate.

Jae Crowder (80)

This one baffles me the most.  PG13 is rated highly regardless and, even if I disagree with rating Howard so low, I understand the logic.  But Crowder coming in at 80 is surprising.  He’s great on both sides of the ball, but he’s perhaps best known for his hard-nosed defense.  Beyond that, he shot 40 percent from three last year, which is a huge leap above his career average of 35 percent.

He has improved every year and his versatility would allow him to thrive with just about any NBA team.  I don’t really have an issue with anyone rated higher than Crowder, with the possible exception of Myles Turner at 84.  But to have Crowder with the same rating as D’Angelo Russell and rookies Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball doesn’t make sense.

OVERRATED

DeMar DeRozan (89)

DeRozan’s strategy seems to be to zig while the rest of the league zags. In a league where the three-point shot reigns supreme, it’s rare to see a superstar shooting guard have such an aversion to shooting threes. He averaged 27 points per game last year, while taking under two threes per game on 27 percent shooting from beyond the arc. (As usual, it’s been said he will take more shots from deep this year, but that’d TBD as always.)

But you can’t deny that DeRozan is an elite-level talent. Still, based on the ratings that have been released so far, I like him more as an 87 or 88. I don’t think he should be higher than Hayward, nor should he be rated the same as Isaiah Thomas or Damian Lillard — after all, Thomas and Lillard have the same defensive issues as DeRozan.

And to be clear, this isn’t a knock on DeRozan at all. He isn’t beneath any of these players by any means. He is absolutely in the conversation. But for me, I would rank those other players above him.

Ben McLemore (73)

I do sort of feel bad for including him in this list since, of the player ratings we know so far, McLemore is one of the lowest rated. But based on NBA 2K17 ratings, 73 seems a bit high for a three-point specialist with a career three-point shooting percentage of 35 percent, especially when his minutes have decreased each of the last three seasons.

To be fair, McLemore does have talent and he has spent his entire career with one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the NBA. The Grizzlies desperately needed some three-point shooting, so he should get some decent burn in Memphis after he gets healthy.  But I think something closer to 68 or so would be more appropriate for now.

Zach LaVine (80)

Before going down last year with an ACL injury, LaVine was having a great year offensively, scoring just under 20 points a game and shooting just under 40 percent from three.  Defensively, however?  He’s atrocious.  Like, really, really bad.  Before the injury, he was one of the most athletic young guards in the league, so it was fair to assume some improvement in that regard.  But after the ACL injury?  It’s anyone’s guess how this year will go, but I think 80 is just a bit too optimistic for LaVine.

THE GREAT POINT GUARD DEBATE

  • Steph Curry (94)
  • Kyrie Irving (90)
  • John Wall (90)
  • Isaiah Thomas (89)
  • Damian Lillard (89)

Here’s how the point guards stack up so far.  Curry stands at the head of the pack, while Kyrie Irving and John Wall are tied, as are Thomas and Lillard.

But what about the others? The ratings all seem appropriate by themselves. Depending on how all of the ratings shake out and who is rated above Curry, he might be a little low. But compared to the other point guards, his rating is appropriate. Irving versus Wall is an interesting debate. I would rate Wall slightly above Irving, but I wouldn’t argue with you if you think Kyrie is better.

Lillard versus Thomas is an interesting one. Prior to last season, I’d have taken Lillard over Thomas 10 times out of 10. But now? It’s at least a toss-up, in which case a ratings tie makes sense. I would personally rank Thomas above Lillard, but much like Irving versus Wall, it’s too close for me to argue too hard one way or the other.

What about you?  Based on the ratings we’ve seen so far, who do you think is underrated? What about overrated? Let us know in the comments!

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  1. Booker is also definitely overrated
    I think Isaiah Thomas might be a tad underrated. And don't tell me "oh his defense is horrible" because yes he's a bad defensive player but so are Kyrie, James Harden and C.J McCollum and Kyrie and James Harden are both in the 90's despite their defense
    Health aside Derrick Rose had a very good year 78 averaging 18 and 3 and 5 shooting 47 percent from the field even though teams knew he had to drive ... Deangelo my boi but he gets an 80 averaging like 15ppg shooting under 40% lol stop it 2K .... insert corny Derrick Rose jokes below 😪
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    I thought that the players were rated based on their archtype. Going off 2K17, Kawhi is 96 rated "two way super star". Steph is rated 95 as an "all around star". That doesn't mean Kawhi is better than Steph, just that he's a better "two way superstar". Devin Booker is rated as an 83 "premier perimeter threat". So could he just be an 88 or whatever he is this year as that. Their rating isn't necessarily how they are viewed league wide. Isn't that how they are supposed to be viewed?
    MELMAN92
    Health aside Derrick Rose had a very good year 78 averaging 18 and 3 and 5 shooting 47 percent from the field even though teams knew he had to drive ... Deangelo my boi but he gets an 80 averaging like 15ppg shooting under 40% lol stop it 2K .... insert corny Derrick Rose jokes below ��
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    I never really view ratings as a complete reflection of last year but also an indication of how they may play THIS year.
    Rose might have trouble putting up those same numbers again. Like, was it his SKILLSET that got him those numbers... or was it him being smart with the ball and knowing when to attack. Because we all know he doesn't have that top end speed anymore and he sure can't shoot. But 78 does seem low, 83 maybe? Idk, if he's a true Cavalier back-up, let's see if he plays like a 78 or an 83.
    Whereas we know what we're getting from Steph/Kawhi/LeBron but I get where you're coming from. Some of the ratings you almost feel like could use a big explanation.
    Westbrook better be a 95.
    How is Curry a 94 when he is an average on ball defender at best? An average rebounder at best. Like does passing and shooting mean he deserves a 94. I get they want to make him as the best PG atm. But I'm confused.
    Lilard is def a 90. But I'm really curious to see Russie rating. If they have Curry better than him in overall after avg'n a triple double its gonna be comical.
    But the 2k rating system has always been comical. Overweight emphasis on offensive ability makes a player a 90 by default lol. It's always been this way I guess.
    MoodMuzik
    I never really view ratings as a complete reflection of last year but also an indication of how they may play THIS year.
    Rose might have trouble putting up those same numbers again. Like, was it his SKILLSET that got him those numbers... or was it him being smart with the ball and knowing when to attack. Because we all know he doesn't have that top end speed anymore and he sure can't shoot. But 78 does seem low, 83 maybe? Idk, if he's a true Cavalier back-up, let's see if he plays like a 78 or an 83.
    Whereas we know what we're getting from Steph/Kawhi/LeBron but I get where you're coming from. Some of the ratings you almost feel like could use a big explanation.

    I'll say this he still was able to get to the rim when needed and his pull up middy was good I just feel like 2K is judging him off mvp rose and not who he is now
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    24ct
    Westbrook better be a 95.
    How is Curry a 94 when he is an average on ball defender at best? An average rebounder at best. Like does passing and shooting mean he deserves a 94. I get they want to make him as the best PG atm. But I'm confused.
    Lilard is def a 90. But I'm really curious to see Russie rating. If they have Curry better than him in overall after avg'n a triple double its gonna be comical.
    But the 2k rating system has always been comical. Overweight emphasis on offensive ability makes a player a 90 by default lol. It's always been this way I guess.

    Curry is a back-to-back MVP and the only unanimous MVP in the history of the NBA and has 2 rings. But Russ > Curry? Russ averaged a triple double, Russ > LeBron? Russ over Kawhi?
    In terms of 2K ratings, I look at PG as the 'Not so rich man's' Kawhi Leonard, so I feel that a 91 is accurate for him if Kawhi is a 95. Kawhi is pretty much better at everything so it makes sense. May be different now that George won't be the sole, or even main focus of his team now and will have a lot more freedom.
    I agree Dwight is underrated. He's about the same guy stat-wise as DeAndre whom I can't see coming in at less than an 85 with the way these ratings are going. So if DJ is an 85, Dwight deserves at least and 83 IMO.
    I think Wall should be rated higher than Kyrie. He's a better passer, and though it doesn't take much a better defender. Kyrie is arguably the best ISO player in the league, and he is steadily improving in other areas, but as of now, Wall is the best in the East. I think Kyrie dropping to 89 is fine with me, but I understand he is the cover guy.
    Devin Booker is rated correctly IMO. He's an explosive scorer, elite (I know the percentages would say otherwise) shooter, and a VERY underrated playmaker especially out of the P&R. He's not a good defender, but he's not a revolving door like some of the guys rated higher than him. I don't think he'd ever be the target for a "whoever" offense. If you wanna complain, I'd say 85 isn't bad.
    D Rose was statistically close to or better than D Wade in nearly everything last season. The difference in their ratings shouldn't be this drastic. I know Rose's awful 3-ball is gonna drop him this low, but Derozan is nearly just as bad and it didn't give him a huge knock. D Rose should be at least an 84.
    I really like that the young Bigs are getting love. Embiid, KP, & KAT. I honestly believe if Embiid stays healthy, he could be top 10 Centers of all time. All of these guys are so much more skilled than guys that came before them. They all have good post game, all can somewhat handle the ball, and most importantly, they all can shoot threes.
    IT should be at least a 90. Hard to believe a guy like him is still underrated. He was actually my pick for MVP. First seed, 3rd in scoring, huge performances through 4th quarters and his amazing playoff run through tragedy. I think he'll also get even better now that he can spend some time off-ball.
    Give LeBron a 99. The man averaged a triple-double against one of the greatest teams ever assembled. If I'm not mistaken he nearly averaged one for the entire playoffs as well as the regular season. He's unstoppable in every way, arguably the best passer in history, not named Magic Johnson, and is still, at 32, maybe the 2nd best athletic presence behind Russ. I get that nobody wants to put him MJ, but this is greatness we're watching and he's by far the best player in the NBA today.
    Junior Moe
    I thought that the players were rated based on their archtype. Going off 2K17, Kawhi is 96 rated "two way super star". Steph is rated 95 as an "all around star". That doesn't mean Kawhi is better than Steph, just that he's a better "two way superstar". Devin Booker is rated as an 83 "premier perimeter threat". So could he just be an 88 or whatever he is this year as that. Their rating isn't necessarily how they are viewed league wide. Isn't that how they are supposed to be viewed?

    Agreed, it's also position based. Some attributes matter way more to certain positions. So cross matching positions to compare ratings isn't the best idea. Some guys are better at what they need to be good at than others.
    guys like marquese chriss, hernangomez, brandon ingram, bobby portis and nearly every single one of those lottery picks are way overrated.
    No way PG is overrated IMO. These are supposed to be historic scales so 91 is enough for him. I'd probably even have him 1 or 2 points lower. Jae Crowder is not underrated. He is a specialist he doesn't have an all around game and he's not that athletic so he is limited in what he can do. I'm sure gameplay wise he is similar to real life. Also, as others have said, idk how Booker didn't make this list.
    isdatyt

    D Rose was statistically close to or better than D Wade in nearly everything last season. The difference in their ratings shouldn't be this drastic. I know Rose's awful 3-ball is gonna drop him this low, but Derozan is nearly just as bad and it didn't give him a huge knock. D Rose should be at least an 84.

    D-Rose should not be at least an 84, a 78 is actually a perfect rating for him. At this stage of his career he is a slashing scoring guard best suited for a 6th Man role.
    He is one of the worst defenders in basketball meaning low ratings in defensive awareness, steals, and on-ball defense. He shot 22% from 3 which means his presence should affect spacing and he should have a low three point rating, his durability should be low considering he can't play 36 minutes or clear 65 games a season and is coming off a torn meniscus that ended his year, he should not be going coast to coast and dunking like in 2K17 considering he only dunked 8 times in 64 games.
    D-Wade is better than D-Rose.
    Joel Embiid should be higher than an 86, he has a massive impact on both sides, when he was on the floor the Sixers were a playoff team. He didn't play heavy minutes but his production per minute was insane.
    The only issue is his durability but he may be the best big man in basketball when he does play.
    KAT is overrated at 91 he isn't there yet defensively and he has a bit of tunnel vision as a passer.
    isdatyt
    Agreed, it's also position based. Some attributes matter way more to certain positions. So cross matching positions to compare ratings isn't the best idea. Some guys are better at what they need to be good at than others.

    Yep. Once I see an overall I look at the position and player archetype. I don't look at it in a vacuum. Looking at with those parameters they usually make sense.
    DTHEGAWD
    D-Rose should not be at least an 84, a 78 is actually a perfect rating for him. At this stage of his career he is a slashing scoring guard best suited for a 6th Man role.
    He is one of the worst defenders in basketball meaning low ratings in defensive awareness, steals, and on-ball defense. He shot 22% from 3 which means his presence should affect spacing and he should have a low three point rating, his durability should be low considering he can't play 36 minutes or clear 65 games a season and is coming off a torn meniscus that ended his year, he should not be going coast to coast and dunking like in 2K17 considering he only dunked 8 times in 64 games.
    D-Wade is better than D-Rose.

    Totally agree with u on D-rose. His defensive effort and grumpiness from the look of his face are just affecting his overall effectiveness. I'm not sure if he is bothered by his knees though. If it is I can understand that coz i'm also playing with similar injury.
    Respectfully disagree on d-wade. His defense is going down, and he's not the old wade who block a ton of shots for a guard.
    Embid? His durability must have pulled him down. Did he average a double-double?
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    wodi
    The real question, were these overalls tested out in myleague 5, 10 years in?

    I doubt it. 95% of players probably never get close to that in MyLeague so there's really no point.
    These ratings are made strictly for online and play now most likely.
    Imo, the only thing that matters to overalls in long haul MyLeagues is the improvement/regression algorithm and how well it works.
    jk31
    guys like marquese chriss, hernangomez, brandon ingram, bobby portis and nearly every single one of those lottery picks are way overrated.

    Hernangomez is a walking double double...
    Hustle Westbrook
    I love the kid but Porzingis is kinda overrated.

    Why do you say that? I think he's underrated. I think he should be like an 87 or 88.
    Part of the problem is Melo's presence - he takes more touches and opportunities from Porzingis to score and be the focal point of offense.
    If Porzingis had the freedom and touches like KAT, I think he'd be pretty close. His jumper is smooth (I think his 3pt shot should be 85), his contested shots should be way higher since he's so tall, and his handling and speed is better in real life than in the game.
    He's a two way player who can block the rim and shoot threes - that's super rare! and he moves pretty good for a guy his size.
    JoFri
    Totally agree with u on D-rose. His defensive effort and grumpiness from the look of his face are just affecting his overall effectiveness. I'm not sure if he is bothered by his knees though. If it is I can understand that coz i'm also playing with similar injury.
    Respectfully disagree on d-wade. His defense is going down, and he's not the old wade who block a ton of shots for a guard.
    Embid? His durability must have pulled him down. Did he average a double-double?
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    I didn't like seeing D-Rose in real life but playing as him in 2k17, he's definitely way better than he should be. He still has 95 speed and he can still finish pretty well in the game. He's been awesome for me in 2k since I actually pass with him (something the real d-rose doesn't) and also play defense.
    Don't agree with this article at all. I think PG, Dwight and Crowder are all appropriately rated. Crowder's defense is actually a little overrated by fans these days. He's smart but guys can blow by him pretty easy.
    He didn't even list Booker as overrated.
    The only one i agree with is LaVine being overrated
    Also am i the only one that thinks Rose was appropriately rated?
    If you think as overrall ratings as "ability to influence a team to win" i think he's rated accurately. His gamestyle is not conducive to winning anymore imo
    The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.
    I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.
    That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.
    Barnsey
    Also am i the only one that thinks Rose was appropriately rated?
    If you think as overrall ratings as "ability to influence a team to win" i think he's rated accurately. His gamestyle is not conducive to winning anymore imo

    Yeah I think it's fair. He can't shoot at all, horrible defender, not really a great playmaker. His athletic abilities have faded some compared to what they were. Being a good finisher at the rim with little else to offer shouldn't make you have a great overall.
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    ojandpizza
    Yeah I think it's fair. He can't shoot at all, horrible defender, not really a great playmaker. His athletic abilities have faded some compared to what they were. Being a good finisher at the rim with little else to offer shouldn't make you have a great overall.
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    To extend on this...
    If he has a bounce back year in Cleveland I have no problem with them upping his rating like a lot of people seem to believe he deserves. But basing it on what he's done the past couple years I think it's fair. Everyone keeps saying "but he scored 18 a game" likes that justifies him being as good as someone with similar numbers. Putting up 18 a night on that crappy Knicks team isn't much to brag upon, especially to use as a basis for his 2K rating since he was one of the worst starting guards in the entire league in terms of shooting and defense.
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    Another problem I think is that you can't really play players the amount of minutes in 2k that you can in real life. Their stamina just goes away pretty quickly so you have to split the minutes about 50/50 for starters and bench. Whereas in real life the starters get like 70 percent of the minutes.
    Like how Westbrook scored, passed and rebounded in the amount of mins he played. That won't be possible in a normal match in 2k. His stamina would be gone by half time.
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    Smirkin Dirk
    The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.
    I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.
    That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.

    Completely agree with this, the ratings seem to have gotten a bit out of hand; Paul George a 91?
    I actually think Steph will have been underrated when Westbrooks' OVR is eventually released.
    Smirkin Dirk
    The bigger issue is how player ratings have become over inflated.
    I watch 2-3 full games every night, and there's a couple of players I have barely heard of in the high 60s/low 70s.
    That really isn't a problem if you plan to edit your rosters anyhow but it may be bad for player differentiation for online players.

    Agreed. Guys like Kay Felder, McCullough, and Brice Johnson who don't get any playing time should not be touching a 70 ovr at all.
    MoodMuzik
    Curry is a back-to-back MVP and the only unanimous MVP in the history of the NBA and has 2 rings. But Russ > Curry? Russ averaged a triple double, Russ > LeBron? Russ over Kawhi?

    If they based ratings off past accolades Rose would still be at least an 87 lol. "Youngest MVP in NBA history blah blah" I could spit accolades all day about Rose but what I'm saying is Westbrook had better overall stats than Curry and it should be represented in 2K18...
    Curry was back to back MVP by victim of circumstance. Don't get me wrong I've said Curry was great when Monta Ellis was still on the Warriors, but that year he won MVP Iggy won Finals MVP and it should have been Lebron. And the year after he lost in the Finals after being up 3-1. And you just mentioned the awards he won. Curry has 0 Finals MVPS and 3 rings.
    So sure he won regular season MVP but his true value in the playoffs was outweighed by Iggy's defense, Lebron's greatness and Durant's hunger 3 years in a row. If Durant wasn't on GS last year and they won the MVP woulda prob went to Lebron lol...
    The NBA players themselves voted Harden as MVP 1 year Curry won. But as I said. He's an average defender at best and he's an average rebounder for a PG(personally I think Curry is a terrible defender lol but everyone else on GS is so good on defense they can hide him) As for Westbrook he had a HISTORIC season & was top 7 in PTS, RBS, & ASTS as a PG lol...
    I'm not comparing Westbrook to Lebron or Kawhi because ratings are POS based and as a PG, based on the MVP season he had last year, he should be rated higher. Never said Curry or Westbrook was the better player. I'm just saying based on last year Westbrook had a better season.
    By RATINGS and pure production value Westbrook puts up better stats across the board minus shooting percentage but Westbrook isn't a shooter he's a slasher/scorer so that should be reflected in the game, no?
    24ct
    If they based ratings off past accolades Rose would still be at least an 87 lol. "Youngest MVP in NBA history blah blah" I could spit accolades all day about Rose but what I'm saying is Westbrook had better overall stats than Curry and it should be represented in 2K18...
    Curry was back to back MVP by victim of circumstance. Don't get me wrong I've said Curry was great when Monta Ellis was still on the Warriors, but that year he won MVP Iggy won Finals MVP and it should have been Lebron. And the year after he lost in the Finals after being up 3-1. And you just mentioned the awards he won. Curry has 0 Finals MVPS and 3 rings.
    So sure he won regular season MVP but his true value in the playoffs was outweighed by Iggy's defense, Lebron's greatness and Durant's hunger 3 years in a row. If Durant wasn't on GS last year and they won the MVP woulda prob went to Lebron lol...
    The NBA players themselves voted Harden as MVP 1 year Curry won. But as I said. He's an average defender at best and he's an average rebounder for a PG(personally I think Curry is a terrible defender lol but everyone else on GS is so good on defense they can hide him) As for Westbrook he had a HISTORIC season & was top 7 in PTS, RBS, & ASTS as a PG lol...
    I'm not comparing Westbrook to Lebron or Kawhi because ratings are POS based and as a PG, based on the MVP season he had last year, he should be rated higher. Never said Curry or Westbrook was the better player. I'm just saying based on last year Westbrook had a better season.
    By RATINGS and pure production value Westbrook puts up better stats across the board minus shooting percentage but Westbrook isn't a shooter he's a slasher/scorer so that should be reflected in the game, no?

    Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.
    OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.
    Yesh2k
    Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.
    OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

    Take Russ off that Thunder squad, what happens? Do they win 47 games? I very much doubt that.
    Take this quote from a playoff game against the Rockets ..
    “Westbrook played 194 minutes in the series’ five games, of which Houston won four. When Westbrook was on the floor (for 39 minutes per game), the Thunder outscored Houston by 4.9 points per 100 possessions.
    When Westbrook wasn’t on the court, Oklahoma City was even worse than you probably thought. The Thunder were outscored by 51.3 points per 100 possessions while Westbrook watched from the bench, for a total of 46 minutes during the series. That’s about one full game, scattered throughout five games, of total ineptitude.
    In real terms, when Westbrook sat this series, the Thunder were outscored 137-79 in 45.5 minutes of total court time. They lost by 58 points without Westbrook playing”
    I’m sure this isn’t the only example, hell, just look at the advanced stats and you can see how much better they are with him on he court, and how awful they are with him off.
    Now, I ask you in contrast, how much WORSE would the Warriors REALLY be without steph curry on the floor? With the talent they have? No way. There’s an argument to be made that Curry would be a better fit than Westbrook on the Thunder, but who knows.
    I don’t think it’s fair to call Westbrook “overrated” , implying that he’s not a superstar NBA player who pretty much carried an entire team on his back to 47 wins. Did he stat pad a bit? Sure. Was he undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team during the regular season? He sure was.
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    Gosens6
    Take Russ off that Thunder squad, what happens? Do they win 47 games? I very much doubt that.
    Take this quote from a playoff game against the Rockets ..
    “Westbrook played 194 minutes in the series’ five games, of which Houston won four. When Westbrook was on the floor (for 39 minutes per game), the Thunder outscored Houston by 4.9 points per 100 possessions.
    When Westbrook wasn’t on the court, Oklahoma City was even worse than you probably thought. The Thunder were outscored by 51.3 points per 100 possessions while Westbrook watched from the bench, for a total of 46 minutes during the series. That’s about one full game, scattered throughout five games, of total ineptitude.
    In real terms, when Westbrook sat this series, the Thunder were outscored 137-79 in 45.5 minutes of total court time. They lost by 58 points without Westbrook playing”
    I’m sure this isn’t the only example, hell, just look at the advanced stats and you can see how much better they are with him on he court, and how awful they are with him off.
    Now, I ask you in contrast, how much WORSE would the Warriors REALLY be without steph curry on the floor? With the talent they have? No way. There’s an argument to be made that Curry would be a better fit than Westbrook on the Thunder, but who knows.
    I don’t think it’s fair to call Westbrook “overrated” , implying that he’s not a superstar NBA player who pretty much carried an entire team on his back to 47 wins. Did he stat pad a bit? Sure. Was he undoubtedly the most valuable player to his team during the regular season? He sure was.
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    Currys +/- was the largest in NBA playoff history, and Steph is the reason they are even in the position they are in now, because when OKC were playing with 2 superstars, GSW had one.
    Look where they were when he was drafted by them and look where they are now, after Steph got through his injuries then his abilities have taken him and his team to a different level. I'm amazed at how much STeph is underrated; even in the 17 finals the cavs we're still trapping and double-teaming Curry, not KD or anyone else, just to get the ball out of his hands. It's that impact that creates the space for his teammates to go out and perform.
    I'm not denying RW is a superstar, of course he is, but a lot of his stats last year are bogus and purely because he was chasing triple doubles. I think you also misunderstood my point about OKC being worse when RW was trying to just get his. Go back to that Houston series (can't remember which game) but for 3 qtrs Russ was the perfect team mate, getting his and getting his team mates involved (they had a lead), then the 4th arrived and he took all the shots and they lost. When GSW played OKC, the warriors gameplan included putting Durant on Westbrook to encourage him to see it as a challenge and shoot, which he did.
    In short, I'm not denying RW is a superstar; he's a great player, but he's not as great as his stats. Curry was frightening the Spurs and beating a 1 seed as the 8th seed, before he really had any star team mates if you want to look at fairer comparison.
    Yesh2k
    Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.
    OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

    "Only passing when you have to" doesn't lead to 10+ assists per game. And don't tell me "oh he was stat chasing just so he could average a triple double", because his team had a better record when he had a triple double vs when he didn't, so him getting a triple double was actually beneficial to his team, not just him.
    Also, Curry can't guard westbrook 1v1. Westbrook is too strong, fast and explosive. Westbrook on the other hand, can much more effectively guard Curry 1v1 than Curry can guard Westbrook 1v1. Russ is not overrated lol
    VAWereWolf65
    "Only passing when you have to" doesn't lead to 10+ assists per game. And don't tell me "oh he was stat chasing just so he could average a triple double", because his team had a better record when he had a triple double vs when he didn't, so him getting a triple double was actually beneficial to his team, not just him.
    Also, Curry can't guard westbrook 1v1. Westbrook is too strong, fast and explosive. Westbrook on the other hand, can much more effectively guard Curry 1v1 than Curry can guard Westbrook 1v1. Russ is not overrated lol

    It's rare that any point guard can guard another point guard in todays league. Steph lights up Westbrook at will. Steph is actually a better defender than RW because he's more disciplined in team defensive systems. rewatch the finals to see how Stephs hedges on PnR's avoided being left on an island against Lebron all series.
    So when Adams and co were leaving rebounds alone and moving out the way so Russ could get them, that was the only way they could win games? When Russ was blatantly leaving shooters open to get under the rim for a rebound, that was the only way they could win games? I'm not saying RW isn't a great player who had a great season, it would have been just as impressive if he'd finished 7/8 and 10 in my book.
    Yesh2k
    It's rare that any point guard can guard another point guard in todays league. Steph lights up Westbrook at will. Steph is actually a better defender than RW because he's more disciplined in team defensive systems. rewatch the finals to see how Stephs hedges on PnR's avoided being left on an island against Lebron all series.
    So when Adams and co were leaving rebounds alone and moving out the way so Russ could get them, that was the only way they could win games? When Russ was blatantly leaving shooters open to get under the rim for a rebound, that was the only way they could win games? I'm not saying RW isn't a great player who had a great season, it would have been just as impressive if he'd finished 7/8 and 10 in my book.

    Westbrook had a top 10 defensive rating this year. Also, yea i guess it was helping OKC because if you go look at the team's record when westbrook didn't have a triple double vs when he did, it's a lot worse
    The problem I find with Curry's ratings in general is his passing ratings and defensive ratings, things of that nature, are typically boosted in 2K to give him one of the higher overall ratings in the game. I would rather 2k tweak the formula rather than overrate aspects of his game just to make sure his overall is high enough. I believe 2 seasons ago he was even ranked as the best defender on GS's roster, with passing stats that made him comparable to Magic. Just so he could stay up around a a 98 or whatever they wanted him at.
    If you adjust his ratings accordingly he usually winds up around the lower 90's, which obviously doesn't represent a two time MVP level player so 2K boosts other aspects of his ratings. I don't care much for what a player's overall rating is, so I usually try to go through and adjust a lot of guys.
    He's at a disadvantage because as a point guard guys who have better athletic attributes and passing attributes, like Westbrook and Wall, are going to have higher overalls even if they aren't necessarily better players. 2K tries to balance that rather than just not worry about what the rating shows, or tweak their own formula to value his shooting more. I'm just glad we can make our own changes.
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    ojandpizza
    The problem I find with Curry's ratings in general is his passing ratings and defensive ratings, things of that nature, are typically boosted in 2K to give him one of the higher overall ratings in the game. I would rather 2k tweak the formula rather than overrate aspects of his game just to make sure his overall is high enough. I believe 2 seasons ago he was even ranked as the best defender on GS's roster, with passing stats that made him comparable to Magic. Just so he could stay up around a a 98 or whatever they wanted him at.
    If you adjust his ratings accordingly he usually winds up around the lower 90's, which obviously doesn't represent a two time MVP level player so 2K boosts other aspects of his ratings. I don't care much for what a player's overall rating is, so I usually try to go through and adjust a lot of guys.
    He's at a disadvantage because as a point guard guys who have better athletic attributes and passing attributes, like Westbrook and Wall, are going to have higher overalls even if they aren't necessarily better players. 2K tries to balance that rather than just not worry about what the rating shows, or tweak their own formula to value his shooting more. I'm just glad we can make our own changes.
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    Absolutely^^. I could care less what most ratings are because I tweak them anyways. Just because Steph ends up a 91-ish doesn't mean he's not lethal as F on basketball court.
    I'm just so glad 2k allows all the edits that they do, it's pretty insane when you think about the level of access the users get to change the game to their liking honestly.
    ojandpizza
    The problem I find with Curry's ratings in general is his passing ratings and defensive ratings, things of that nature, are typically boosted in 2K to give him one of the higher overall ratings in the game. I would rather 2k tweak the formula rather than overrate aspects of his game just to make sure his overall is high enough. I believe 2 seasons ago he was even ranked as the best defender on GS's roster, with passing stats that made him comparable to Magic. Just so he could stay up around a a 98 or whatever they wanted him at.
    If you adjust his ratings accordingly he usually winds up around the lower 90's, which obviously doesn't represent a two time MVP level player so 2K boosts other aspects of his ratings. I don't care much for what a player's overall rating is, so I usually try to go through and adjust a lot of guys.
    He's at a disadvantage because as a point guard guys who have better athletic attributes and passing attributes, like Westbrook and Wall, are going to have higher overalls even if they aren't necessarily better players. 2K tries to balance that rather than just not worry about what the rating shows, or tweak their own formula to value his shooting more. I'm just glad we can make our own changes.
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    Totally agree. It seems like they boost everything with him. Not to hate, but he definitely doesn't still deserve to have a 99 three point attribute. 41% from deep isn't deserving of a 99
    VAWereWolf65
    Totally agree. It seems like they boost everything with him. Not to hate, but he definitely doesn't still deserve to have a 99 three point attribute. 41% from deep isn't deserving of a 99

    ffaacc03
    2Ks formula considers 3pt shot attempts, so even with his 41% his rating should be in the 90s, not 99 tho.

    Yea I agree. Maybe like a 93-95 but my point was that 2k seems to boost his attributes a bit just so people don't get pissed off about his overall being too low
    Yesh2k
    Curry was finals MVP in 15, he put up great numbers, and was responsible for a top 5 all time performance for 4th quarter points in a finals series. All this on the back of having the cavs trying desperately to get the ball out of his hands with constant double teams. Should never have been Iggy over Steph. He also just posted another insane set of numbers in the 17 finals.
    OKC were easier to play against if teams let russ do what he wants to do - namely, pad his own stats. He didn't guard perimeter shooters last season so he could try and get rebounds if they missed, he had his own bigs leaving rebounds so he could get them. Russ is completely overrated, but he's the perfect poster child for a portion of the 2k crowd; pad your stats and only pass when you have to.

    Curry never won a Finals MVP bruh. And he likely never will lol. He didn't win because he had a few poor games, was getting locked up by Delly and came alive in like the last 2 games when the Cavs were dead tired by playing only 6/7 guys with no bench.
    That was against the LeBron and the Cavs 2nd unit lol. And he almost had a triple double in the Finals this yeah but it's pretty easy to roam when you add the 2nd best player to your team after going 73-9 but losing in the Finals because you under performed again. He had free reign to roam and do whatever he wanted because so much focus was on KD. And KD still won Finals MVP lol.
    As for Russ.... It's well known Russ is probably the strongest PG and 1 of the better defenders at the PG pos. It was in OKC game plan to have him grab rebounds to push the tempo not JUST to get triple doubles but because it made them more of a threat. Get our guy the ball ASAP. They made the playoffs in the West with a pretty good record because of the MVP which is 'so stacked' let everyone else tell it.
    How the **** is LaVine at 80 overrated? He's one of the most dynamic scorers in the game and is a freak athlete. Even with his pourish defense he should clock in around an 80 if not higher.
    DreamAgain
    How the **** is LaVine at 80 overrated? He's one of the most dynamic scorers in the game and is a freak athlete. Even with his pourish defense he should clock in around an 80 if not higher.

    He's a good three point shooter and slasher but i think his biggest problems are his defense and his lack of a consistent jumpshot inside the three point line
    VAWereWolf65
    He's a good three point shooter and slasher but i think his biggest problems are his defense and his lack of a consistent jumpshot inside the three point line

    He's a decent play maker especially with all of the off-ball work he has to do with all the high usage players on Minnesota, getting 3+ assists a game is solid on that team.
    I have no doubt he can average something like 22/5/5 on great efficiency as the #1 option in Chicago if he comes back healthy.
    Devin Booker is rated an 86. What does Devin Booker do better than Zach lavine? He's horribly inefficient. He's just as bad on defense. He's just a volume scorer and nothing more.
    And he's the same rating as D'Lo, again, what does he do better than LaVine?
    LaVine shot 40.6% from mid range to compare that to some otherplayers, Wade shot 39.6, DeRozan shot 41.2, Harden shot 41.1, Kemba shot 41.6, Devin Booker shot 38.7, Westbrook 36% (lol).
    So he's certainly not great from that range but he's not extremely poor either.
    DreamAgain
    LaVine shot 40.6% from mid range to compare that to some otherplayers, Wade shot 39.6, DeRozan shot 41.2, Harden shot 41.1, Kemba shot 41.6, Devin Booker shot 38.7, Westbrook 36% (lol).
    So he's certainly not great from that range but he's not extremely poor either.

    fair enough, but even his disgusting defense is probably enough for some people to consider an 80 overrated. I personally think he's fine at around a 79-80, but I understand why some people might not be
    limache
    Why do you say that? I think he's underrated. I think he should be like an 87 or 88.
    Part of the problem is Melo's presence - he takes more touches and opportunities from Porzingis to score and be the focal point of offense.
    If Porzingis had the freedom and touches like KAT, I think he'd be pretty close. His jumper is smooth (I think his 3pt shot should be 85), his contested shots should be way higher since he's so tall, and his handling and speed is better in real life than in the game.
    He's a two way player who can block the rim and shoot threes - that's super rare! and he moves pretty good for a guy his size.

    Exactly. KP would have developed quicker if the team is built around him. Now that Phil's gone, maybe the front office finally gets it right.
    In 2k17, the Anthony/KP duo was lethal - get Anthony in the post, kick it out to KP at the 3-point line.......PURE! Pick & rolls work nice too.
    Jeffx
    Exactly. KP would have developed quicker if the team is built around him. Now that Phil's gone, maybe the front office finally gets it right.
    In 2k17, the Anthony/KP duo was lethal - get Anthony in the post, kick it out to KP at the 3-point line.......PURE! Pick & rolls work nice too.

    Actually I rarely play them together. I stagger them apart by putting Melo on the bench . He would never accept that in real life but he'd be the best sixth man.
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    ojandpizza
    The problem I find with Curry's ratings in general is his passing ratings and defensive ratings, things of that nature, are typically boosted in 2K to give him one of the higher overall ratings in the game. I would rather 2k tweak the formula rather than overrate aspects of his game just to make sure his overall is high enough. I believe 2 seasons ago he was even ranked as the best defender on GS's roster, with passing stats that made him comparable to Magic. Just so he could stay up around a a 98 or whatever they wanted him at.
    If you adjust his ratings accordingly he usually winds up around the lower 90's, which obviously doesn't represent a two time MVP level player so 2K boosts other aspects of his ratings. I don't care much for what a player's overall rating is, so I usually try to go through and adjust a lot of guys.
    He's at a disadvantage because as a point guard guys who have better athletic attributes and passing attributes, like Westbrook and Wall, are going to have higher overalls even if they aren't necessarily better players. 2K tries to balance that rather than just not worry about what the rating shows, or tweak their own formula to value his shooting more. I'm just glad we can make our own changes.
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    1000 times yes to this post.
    Honestly, I cry every single time when I see a thread where some guys arguing about someone´s Overall Rating.
    I don´t give a **** if Curry is rated 96 or 85.
    All I want is him being the best 3Pt Shooter in the game, have great handles, being a decent Playmaker and an below average defender or average defender at best and I want him to take those crazy 3´s.
    And I couldn´t care less if Westbrook is a 98 or a 84.
    All I want is him to being that athletic freak the he is, that is nearly impossible to keep away from the basket.
    And I want him to have his flaws, like being an average defender at best or taking too many 3´s (accurate Tendencies are as important as Ratings are).
    And the same goes for every Player in the League.
    I just want them to play like themselves and I want to really feel a difference when having a guy like LeBron on the team, a guy that transforms a decent team into a contender.
    Trust me guys, if 2K would take out the Overalls or atleast make them hidden, so that there are no more unnecessary discussions about those damn Overalls, this would be a better game!!
    Sadly, we all know that will never happen.
    Pizarro24

    While we're on the topic of westbrook and being able to have the players "feel" like themselves, I'd like to see less players pulling off uber-athletic plays to pick off passes in 2k18.
    Looking at this video, It just shows how amazing Westbrooks instincts are. However, It's almost like any CPU player can pull off these plays in 2k17. I see guys like Enes Kanter do it all the time.
    Hopefully the "reaction time" and "pass perception" attributes matter a lot more this year
    limache
    Actually I rarely play them together. I stagger them apart by putting Melo on the bench . He would never accept that in real life but he'd be the best sixth man.
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    The Knicks are going to be so bad this year......smh
    Pizarro24
    1000 times yes to this post.
    Honestly, I cry every single time when I see a thread where some guys arguing about someone´s Overall Rating.
    I don´t give a **** if Curry is rated 96 or 85.
    All I want is him being the best 3Pt Shooter in the game, have great handles, being a decent Playmaker and an below average defender or average defender at best and I want him to take those crazy 3´s.
    And I couldn´t care less if Westbrook is a 98 or a 84.
    All I want is him to being that athletic freak the he is, that is nearly impossible to keep away from the basket.
    And I want him to have his flaws, like being an average defender at best or taking too many 3´s (accurate Tendencies are as important as Ratings are).
    And the same goes for every Player in the League.
    I just want them to play like themselves and I want to really feel a difference when having a guy like LeBron on the team, a guy that transforms a decent team into a contender.
    Trust me guys, if 2K would take out the Overalls or atleast make them hidden, so that there are no more unnecessary discussions about those damn Overalls, this would be a better game!!
    Sadly, we all know that will never happen.

    That's a pretty revolutionary idea to take out the overalls. I like it. I agree I wish they just played like in real life and have their flaws too.
    What do you guys think about the stamina in 2k17? I feel like they over compensated to the point where you can't really play them for more than half the game unless you want them at like 60.
    Also I HATED how they changed the quick subs with the triangle and the colors to show you the players stamina. Before they had numbers, which was perfect! They had to change a perfectly good system for no reason. Now the only way to check stamina is to pause the game -_-
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    The Taper Fade God
    The ratings for the all-time teams are hands down the worst ratings ever for 2k
    What happened?
    The completely ignored reality and just made numbers up

    But they are all time greats, they have to have high ratings!!!
    Yeah I know what you mean...George Hill for example was never higher than a 76 on the pacers. In the all time roster he is now a 84. Guys like Iverson have very, very high Defense ratings, though he was never known as even a solid defender.
    There must be a ratings debate every year haha. The only ratings i am skeptical about are some of the legends ratings more than current players. Devin Booker seems overrated to me but he improved slightly across the board on offense with increased usage which is a good sign. Ratings are free publicity for games but for 2K it is raised up higher by being so popular by mainstream media and players.
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