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NHL 20: Gameplay Impressions From Videos Released Across the Web

NHL 20

NHL 20: Gameplay Impressions From Videos Released Across the Web

A few days ago, gameplay started being released for NHL 20 from various sites like IGN and Game Informer. In the article below, I will specifically touch on some of things that I noticed in the New Jersey Devils versus San Jose Sharks videos.

New Commentary Crew

The producers of NHL 20 have stated that this year they’ve overhauled every aspect of the broadcast package. Everything from the commentary to the graphics to the replay cameras to the intros and outros have been revamped. Immediately, the first thing you’ll notice is the new commentary crew that brings a fresh new tone and energy to the commentary booth. James Cybulski is the new play-by-play announcer and Ray Ferraro, formerly the third commentator in previous years, is now the main color commentator.

In NHL 19, EA said they could only get about 30 hours of session time with the previous commentary team. In NHL 20, they spent over 10 times that in the booth to get the quantity and quality of commentary that sets a new foundation for years to come. While former commentator Mike “Doc” Emrick is a living legend, the new voice in NHL 20 is a welcomed addition to help freshen up this aspect of the franchise.

New Graphics Package

For NHL 20, the entire broadcast graphics package got a fresh coat of paint. EA says that the new package is designed to be higher energy and higher impact for players and viewers alike. It boldly celebrates your players’ and your teams’ big moments.

The first thing I noticed was the score clock, which since forever has been in the top-left corner of the screen. In NHL 20, it has been moved to the bottom, imitating the real-life tickers you see on television. The immediate benefit is all the screen real estate up top that’s reclaimed for gameplay.

Opening Shift

If you keep your eyes on the San Jose Sharks left winger (at the time stamp in the game from the picture above), you see him skate all the way from his left wing spot to the bottom right of the goal line. Basically it looks like players are just running around and trying to fill spots. No real structure, no real strategy.

Goals

In the first period video, there was a total of three goals scored. All of the goals were scored by the New Jersey Devils, and all of the goals were almost identical and basically the same kind of goal we’ve seen a million times over the past decade in this franchise. EA has really made a big deal about signature shooting and more control and authenticity so it would have been nice to see some new goals in our first peak of gameplay.

There are a couple things here that were disappointing with this first goal. First, the two San Jose Sharks defenders basically skate backwards into each other, come to a complete stop and let the attacking New Jersey Devil forwards skate right by them to the net. Secondly, the New Jersey forward who ends up scoring looks like he passes the puck into the net. Now, I’m not sure if it is supposed to be a new quick off-balance shot animation or not, but from all angles I’ve seen it seems like the goal was scored on a slow-moving pass.

With the second goal, it’s another disappointing example of CPU AI. The play initially starts on the outside with the Devils forward centering the puck to the front of the net for a one-timer/redirect goal. This goal is frustrating because as you can see above the San Jose Sharks defender is actually in pretty good position. However, he is just inexplicably standing there with his stick off of the ice and not boxing out/tying up the New Jersey Devils forward. Also, this is yet another “one-timer goal” that we have become accustomed to with the NHL series.

This final goal is virtually identical to the first goal that was scored. Again, the two San Jose Sharks defenders basically skate backwards into each other, come to a complete stop and let the attacking New Jersey Devil forwards skate right by them to the net resulting in a two on zero. The play this time finishes off with a cross-ice pass to the backdoor for an easy tap-in goal. A goal that we’ve seen over and over for the last bunch of years. No signature shots. No new scoring setups. Sigh.

Final Thoughts

I do like the new presentation and overlays. Although it won’t necessarily validate the $60 purchase, it does add a fresh feel to the game and series. New commentator James Cybulski does a good job with the commentary, and it is much more in tune with the gameplay than previous versions with Mike “Doc” Emrick.

I do want to see more before I make my final decision on purchasing NHL 20, but it is very head scratching that EA released video when there is so much wrong with it, especially when some of things wrong in the video contradict the things EA has been touting as new features (things like improved goalie threat analysis). Regardless, the open beta has begun so you can dive in as well if you want to check things out.

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  1. The AI gameplay is just atrocious. I can't understand why they can't make the AI put more pressure on the puck carrier. Offensive zone entry is way too easy, just skate it in. The defense always drops back and gives up premium shooting chances every shift. Positioning is unheard of. Everyone is chasing the puck. Then the powerplay. How is it they can't get the AI to play power play? Players, whoever they are, have zero awareness.
    I've seen enough to leave this game alone.
    Sportsgamefan
    The AI gameplay is just atrocious. I can't understand why they can't make the AI put more pressure on the puck carrier. Offensive zone entry is way too easy, just skate it in. The defense always drops back and gives up premium shooting chances every shift. Positioning is unheard of. Everyone is chasing the puck. Then the powerplay. How is it they can't get the AI to play power play? Players, whoever they are, have zero awareness.
    I've seen enough to leave this game alone.

    I don't post here often, but felt I should in this case. The problems you list above have been an issue in this franchise for, what, 8 or 10 years now? I can't remember a version of EA NHL on current or last gen where defensive pressure was anywhere near realistic. They just keep ignoring the AI. And the goalies. And the depth. This series is a laughable representation of its sport.
    This will be eighth straight version I will be skipping. I used to be a rabid fan of the series, hungry and excited around this time of the year. Beginning with '13 me energy and enthusiasm for this (and most other EA Sports games) has faded to the point where it doesn't even register any longer. It's really a shame, and I don't see it changing until another developer steps in to make a good hockey game.
    EA Sports just doesn't cut it.
    In the first period video, there was a total of three goals scored. All of the goals were scored by the New Jersey Devils, and all of the goals were almost identical and basically the same kind of goal we’ve seen a million times over the past decade in this franchise.

    THIS EXACTLY! All the goals seem to be the same all the time. Been like this for years!!! Skate down the wing and either shoot or pass for a goal. You might get the ocassional slapshot goal from the point. That's it folks! Breakaways are rare, and you wont see the CPU have many of them either. There's just no structure on how the CPU and Human CPU AI plays in this game.
    Have the development team seen videos of actually NHL games and goals? Pucks bouncing off players, goals scored from the boards, pucks trickling in on shots from the point and near the goal net. Put back goals. Wrap around goals from behind the net. 2 on 1s, 3 on 1s, 1 on 1s. The goalie physics and animations suck too! We see it all the time in the real NHL and not in this game. EA you got any clue on how to make a hockey game?? Smh..
    EA has made a big deal about signature shooting and more control and authenticity, yet you see none in the videos we have seen so far. Is EA ****ing with us? No signature shots, no new scoring setups like Ryan said. Unbelievable... We should all sue them for false advertisement, or even better boycott them and don't buy their game.
    EA have turned this franchise into an arcade "ping pong" video hockey game and neglected the hardcore sim fans who want more realism. They just don't care anymore. I've had more fun playing NHL 93 and 94 on my Genesis (which came out 27 years ago) then this piece of horse **** over the last 10 years.
    I'm passing on this game this year and saving my money. EA can suck it!
    Ryan thanks for your impressions buddy! Thanks for calling out EA on their game. They have lied to us for years and are giving us the same BS every year.
    Nice post and analysis.
    The most glaring flaw, to me, is the AI's inability to adapt to a human opponent with little creativity. Board breakout -> Center of neutral zone -> Cross crease pass, over and over again. On D: Defenceman stepping up at the blue line for big hit over and over again. Rinse wash repeat.
    SJ didn't adjust tactics to cut off cross crease passing lanes, it failed to rely on team speed on breakouts (versus overpassing between D men), and didn't capitalize on the physical gambles by human player hitting.
    If the AI can't adjust, I hold little confidence in CHEL playing any differently due to strategic programming flaws.
    Game does look/sound nice, however. Nice lifts in presentation quality, skating representation, additional bouncing on passes (versus flat, tape to tape). Personally: I couldn't take any more Emrick. His shtick is old after a decade plus in the game, on TV.
    Sportsgamefan
    The AI gameplay is just atrocious. I can't understand why they can't make the AI put more pressure on the puck carrier. Offensive zone entry is way too easy, just skate it in. The defense always drops back and gives up premium shooting chances every shift. Positioning is unheard of. Everyone is chasing the puck. Then the powerplay. How is it they can't get the AI to play power play? Players, whoever they are, have zero awareness.
    I've seen enough to leave this game alone.

    This. You almost want to be shorthanded based on these elements.
    Good to hear. Sounds like they've made zero progress since...2011? 12? But it's about the 3rd change in commentary which doesn't really provide anything to the game play?
    I’ve posted longer review in the beta impressions so this will be short.
    Zero player separation
    Zero difference between teams
    Braindead A.I.
    Arcade commentary and overlays
    This game continues to take leaps away from anything resembling the league it represents and offers nothing to the offline season or franchise guy. This development team either doesn’t understand the sport in which they are creating a game for or simply don’t care to accurately represent it.
    They should fire the lead developer of gameplay at EA for NHL and hire DJ NEO. His mod for 2KHS on PC is amazing! Ultra-realistic, physics-based hockey simulation. Leaps and bounds better than the garbage we are getting from EA every year, and he's doing this all for free!
    All the more reason to say **** YOU EA!!!
    "In NHL 20, it has been moved to the bottom, imitating the real-life tickers you see on television. The immediate benefit is all the screen real estate up top that’s reclaimed for gameplay." 
    ....Are you serious? When are scoreboards on the bottom of the screen? The ticker now takes up the entire bottom portion of the screen and not just a tiny amount in the upper left, that would also fade out when needed. It actively gets in the way of gameplay. 
    The scoreboard is laughably large.
    What they’ve chosen to put on there at all times is sort of what I would expect to see put up for a game on TV as they cut away to go to the AD break with some out-tro music.
    Never shoukd they have something so huge and obtrusive up the entire time with no options to change it, make it smaller, fade out, etc.
    Peter_OS
    They should fire the lead developer of gameplay at EA for NHL and hire DJ NEO. His mod for 2KHS on PC is amazing! Ultra-realistic, physics-based hockey simulation. Leaps and bounds better than the garbage we are getting from EA every year, and he's doing this all for free!
    All the more reason to say **** YOU EA!!!

    Better would be for 2K to pick up their engine again and let DJNEO run with it with a bunch of skilled devs.
    Peter_OS
    They should fire the lead developer of gameplay at EA for NHL and hire DJ NEO. His mod for 2KHS on PC is amazing! Ultra-realistic, physics-based hockey simulation. Leaps and bounds better than the garbage we are getting from EA every year, and he's doing this all for free!
    All the more reason to say **** YOU EA!!!

    I wish I had the time and patience to setup a PC to play this. The vids look good and reviews are great.
    jake19ny
    I’ve posted longer review in the beta impressions so this will be short.
    Zero player separation
    Zero difference between teams
    Braindead A.I.
    Arcade commentary and overlays
    This game continues to take leaps away from anything resembling the league it represents and offers nothing to the offline season or franchise guy. This development team either doesn’t understand the sport in which they are creating a game for or simply don’t care to accurately represent it.

    They do. I've talked to one of their Devs (Ben Ross) on and off during the last few years. He definitely knows the sport. So do some of his team. And they DO have a passion for making the video game.
    The issue, IMO, comes from two sides. A) obviously the higher ups have no clue and don't really care, as long as the game makes tons of cash in micro-transactions. Whether the game plays like actual Hockey or Fortnite on ice, really doesn't come into the equation for them.
    B) Pressure from the "elites" of the NHL community to make a game they can "sell" to their viewers on Youtube and Twitch usually trumps any actual criticism from the rest of the community like us, who are looking for a more realistic game. They WANT to have access to glitches and easily abusable exploits. Scoring 10 goals per period and making their opponent quit after 3 minutes of play is their badge of honor. EA naturally knows that by catering to them, they also up their chances the throngs of impressionable 15 year olds getting suckered into buying more packs looking for the same player cards their favorite "elite" has on stream.
    It doesn't matter if they fire the entire dev team and replace them with new people. As long as the head of their respective divisons at EA Sports don't change (in this case for NHL it's "Rammer") then the game will always be a piece of crap Arcade game that's made for scrubs.
    What about the fans you have been buying their hockey game for years? Spending thousands of dollars (way before youtube and twitch were around.) doing so.
    I bet we make up a good percentage of this group and if we were to boycott their game it would hurt them in their pockets. Just saying.
    I have 20 of my friends who are around the same age group and feel the same. Each year EA disappoints and neglects the single player/franchise sim players out there who want realism in their game. These are times I wish we had some competition. 2K needs to bring back their hockey game! Seriously..
    I'm skippin this year's game. I suggest the rest of the community do so as well. Maybe that will get the higher ups to rethink their strategy and get a ****ing clue!
    #boycottEANHL20
    Peter_OS
    What about the fans you have been buying their hockey game for years? Spending thousands of dollars (way before youtube and twitch were around.) doing so.
    I bet we make up a good percentage of this group and if we were to boycott their game it would hurt them in their pockets. Just saying. I'm doing so. I suggest the rest of the community do it as well. Maybe that will get the higher ups to rethink their strategy and get a clue.
    #boycottEANHL20

    Sadly all that will do is make them terminate their NHL series. Just FIFA Ultimate Team alone generated 28% of EA's total revenue for the ENTIRE fiscal year.
    45% of their revenue came from Game Sales. 55% came from their Ultimate Team services and micro-transactions.
    Just wrap your head around that for a second... Do you still think they care about what the gamers think or about a "third rate" franchise like NHL?? If people stop buying, then NHL goes the way of NBA Live.
    And those whishing for 2K to pick up the slack, fat chance. Even though they COULD because the NHL license can be used by anyone, they won't.
    EA would be dumb enough to drop it anyways. I bet 2K jumps on that "fat chance" if EA NHL drops their series. And I bet they (2K) would make a better hockey game. All you have to do is look over and see what they have done with their NBA 2K series.
    EA needs to get the hire ups (all of us should start complaining and boycotting their game) to wake the **** up and get some game developers who know about hockey and implement this in their game. Right now EA plays like an arcade hockey game. This is not a realistic simulation of hockey folks!
    Here's hoping we see another hockey game in the near future cause I'm tired of the EA NHL series.
    VeNOM3099
    Sadly all that will do is make them terminate their NHL series. Just FIFA Ultimate Team alone generated 28% of EA's total revenue for the ENTIRE fiscal year.
    45% of their revenue came from Game Sales. 55% came from their Ultimate Team services and micro-transactions.
    Just wrap your head around that for a second... Do you still think they care about what the gamers think or about a "third rate" franchise like NHL?? If people stop buying, then NHL goes the way of NBA Live.
    And those whishing for 2K to pick up the slack, fat chance. Even though they COULD because the NHL license can be used by anyone, they won't.

    Well then terminate it. I don't need a hockey game that doesn't play like hockey and the players it pretends to be portraying all play exactly the same. I'm sick and tired of this company keeping the NHL and NFL licences and releasing complete garbage products year after year. How much they pay for the positive reviews around the web and Youtube is beyond me.
    VeNOM3099
    Sadly all that will do is make them terminate their NHL series. Just FIFA Ultimate Team alone generated 28% of EA's total revenue for the ENTIRE fiscal year.
    45% of their revenue came from Game Sales. 55% came from their Ultimate Team services and micro-transactions.
    Just wrap your head around that for a second... Do you still think they care about what the gamers think or about a "third rate" franchise like NHL?? If people stop buying, then NHL goes the way of NBA Live.
    And those whishing for 2K to pick up the slack, fat chance. Even though they COULD because the NHL license can be used by anyone, they won't.

    You are probably right. Since it is a business it is about making money. However, one can wonder why the numbers are the way they are. If the games were better, more customizable etc, I'd probably ba a buyer, which I haven't been for years and I guess there are others like me. They would probably have a larger share of core game buyers.
    But sadly, DLC/microtransactions is the way the game industry has turned and I doubt that decision can be reversed as it makes them money.
    But once again, for those of you that hasn't already look up 2KHS and support DJNEO. The re-up link to get it has timed out now though.
    Like many of you, I’ve bought NHL for as long as I can remember (since NHL 96). After playing the beta, this will be the first year NHL isn’t a day one purchase.
    When NHL 07 came out for next gen (Xbox 360), it’s sole purpose was to become an NHL sim. That was the year they introduced the “dangle stick” (RS) and did away with the hammer, sniper, bullseye logos associated with players. The whole vision was to become as realistic as possible. And you know what? They did if!
    They did it damn well to be honest (look at reviews if you want to see for yourself). NHL 07-NHL 10, the NHL series was king. They stole fans from NHL 2K because the game was a sim. That’s all change, especially in recent years.
    The success of those NHL 07-10 years eventually led to 2K closing up shop.
    Similarly, I’m buying PES 20 this year instead of FIFA because PES is doing all the things that FIFA fan base has been asking for. They’re not going to beat FIFA (or EA) at the ultimate team/micro transaction game, but there is a giant minority asking for franchise/ simulated gameplay, it makes sense to make them your target market and get your pie. Not straight apples to oranges comparison but I’m really hoping that NHL 2K decides to look into this opportunity. If EA sales dip, they may not care but that means there is a slice of pie for someone else,2K or otherwise.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    hockeyyt988
    Like many of you, I’ve bought NHL for as long as I can remember (since NHL 96). After playing the beta, this will be the first year NHL isn’t a day one purchase.
    When NHL 07 came out for next gen (Xbox 360), it’s sole purpose was to become an NHL sim. That was the year they introduced the “dangle stick” (RS) and did away with the hammer, sniper, bullseye logos associated with players. The whole vision was to become as realistic as possible. And you know what? They did if!
    They did it damn well to be honest (look at reviews if you want to see for yourself). NHL 07-NHL 10, the NHL series was king. They stole fans from NHL 2K because the game was a sim. That’s all change, especially in recent years.
    The success of those NHL 07-10 years eventually led to 2K closing up shop.
    Similarly, I’m buying PES 20 this year instead of FIFA because PES is doing all the things that FIFA fan base has been asking for. They’re not going to beat FIFA (or EA) at the ultimate team/micro transaction game, but there is a giant minority asking for franchise/ simulated gameplay, it makes sense to make them your target market and get your pie. Not straight apples to oranges comparison but I’m really hoping that NHL 2K decides to look into this opportunity. If EA sales dip, they may not care but that means there is a slice of pie for someone else,2K or otherwise.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    I do agree but the pie is soooooo much bigger in football than ice hockey...
    nikethebike
    I do agree but the pie is soooooo much bigger in football than ice hockey...

    Which makes it crazy to fathom that in the beginning, EA's NHL outsold Madden.
    Money99
    Which makes it crazy to fathom that in the beginning, EA's NHL outsold Madden.

    I'm talking real football. Not american football. You know the game actually played with feet and not played with hands... I'm talking about the thing called soccer in the states that has followers in just about every country in the world. That's the pie I'm talking about.
    nikethebike
    I'm talking real football. Not american football. You know the game actually played with feet and not played with hands... I'm talking about the thing called soccer in the states that has followers in just about every country in the world. That's the pie I'm talking about.

    That’s very true. That’s why I said not apples to oranges. Plus to design a hockey game of AAA next gen quality would take quite a while. I just don’t see it happening.
    Hockey is my favorite sport by far but NHL has lost my interest.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    I bypassed last years game I had NHL 18 and did not think I should update so I was hoping NHL 20 would be something new or hope to have a game that has more to it. So I watched the videos and the commentary has completely killed it for me so for sure I will pass on it. Then I went and bought NHL 19 for Eight Bucks lol on ps4 special they had running that will hold me over until next year.
    I did not really pay to much attention does anyone know if it supports hdr or made for 4k textures ? There so into micro transactions they did not even let us use the legends offline we need to stand united and not support the game.
    hockeyyt988
    That’s very true. That’s why I said not apples to oranges. Plus to design a hockey game of AAA next gen quality would take quite a while. I just don’t see it happening.
    Hockey is my favorite sport by far but NHL has lost my interest.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Yes it will take some time indeed and they probably dont want to invest in that when they have no competition and can earn money the way it is now.
    nikethebike
    My suggestion is for you guys to support DJNEO and 2KHS on PC as that is the closest we get to some competition to EA.

    Um, no. He keeps spamming every forum he can with that garbage.
    You literally cannot play this 'mod' without breaking the law. You need to have NHL2K11. If, by some miracle you still have a copy of this game, you need to rip an ISO of it. Chances are, you don't have it so you need to download an ISO of the game from some shady website (illegal) and use it in an emulator (illegal).
    Nobody should support playing a game that requires users to break laws.
    KoryDub
    Um, no. He keeps spamming every forum he can with that garbage.
    You literally cannot play this 'mod' without breaking the law. You need to have NHL2K11. If, by some miracle you still have a copy of this game, you need to rip an ISO of it. Chances are, you don't have it so you need to download an ISO of the game from some shady website (illegal) and use it in an emulator (illegal).
    Nobody should support playing a game that requires users to break laws.

    Actually, Emulation itself is not a crime. Many companies, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft use emulation as a way to play some of the older games. Take any compliation of classic games on today's console, they are running on software emulation. Even the Xbox's Backwards Compatibility feature is basically just running software emulation to run Xbox 360 and Original Xbox games on the Xbox One.
    Number two, having an ISO is not also not illegal. In Every UELA, it stipulates that you CAN make a copy of the software for "backup purposes". The shady part comes when someone (either yourself or a third party) creates an ISO and shares it with others online. There are some that say it's NOT illegal if you only hold the ISO in question for 24 hours and use it for "research purposes"... Whatever that means.
    In essence, you're not really breaking the law here, just engaging in something that could be construed as infringing on the copyrights of the companies that own the rights to those games.
    The hardest you could get slapped with is a cease and desist order, and a mandate to purge your system of said "shady" software within 24 hours.
    If people want to do it and enjoy a good game, I wouldn't prevent anyone from doing so. It's their choice, just like it's THEIR choice whether they want to play a horrible game that plays NOTHING like hockey with EA's NHL franchise.
    You wanna know what's ILLEGAL? Companies that sell a product stating it's one thing and then offering another. Now who could that company be that does this on a regular basis and keeps getting away with it?
    We wonders... Yesssssssss, precioussssssssss... We wonders!
    VeNOM3099

    In essence, you're not really breaking the law here, just engaging in something that could be construed as infringing on the copyrights of the companies that own the rights to those games.

    umm.. exactly?
    VeNOM3099
    it's THEIR choice whether they want to play a horrible game that plays NOTHING like hockey with EA's NHL franchise.

    Your obsession with CAPTILIZING words for emphasis is downright ANNOYING.
    In any case, it's too bad you think EA's game plays 'nothing like hockey'.
    You spend a lot of time criticizing this game but you've yet to show anything that indicates you know anything about game development or hockey.
    When I see someone look at EA's NHL series and say 'that's not 'hockey' I laugh and I laugh and I laugh.
    It so clearly IS hockey. It's just that your ego can't take the losses or the glitches or the bugs.
    You think a game should be 100% recreation of real life. That demonstrates such a disconnect from reality it's mind boggling.
    KoryDub
    Your obsession with CAPTILIZING words for emphasis is downright ANNOYING.

    Thank you for letting me know who tipped off the mods on the EA forums about that. Not that I had a doubt that it was YOU, but thanks for confirming my suspicions.
    In any case, it's too bad you think EA's game plays 'nothing like hockey'.

    It doesn't...
    You spend a lot of time criticizing this game but you've yet to show anything that indicates you know anything about game development or hockey.

    Maybe because I actually played the actual sport and coached it in real life. No, not just shinny in the park rink. Actual competition Hockey. Made it all the way up to Junior A before real life took over. So unlike many of you, I actually KNOW a thing or two about the sport rather than my knowledge coming from watching the nightly highlight reels on NHL.com.
    When I see someone look at EA's NHL series and say 'that's not 'hockey' I laugh and I laugh and I laugh.

    Your life must be a constant laugh riot then...
    It so clearly IS hockey. It's just that your ego can't take the losses or the glitches or the bugs.

    Ah! The KoryDub bread and butter excuse: "You hate the game because you're bad at it/lose". I'd say you are the PERFECT candidate for LG hockey, but then I remember your awful record there that makes mine look like a Hall of Famer. BTW, my record in VS was like 250 wins, 120 losses and 90 OTLs. Playing with teams like Ottawa and Edmonton... When I was active playing drop-ins I was in the top 20 goalies for wins, GAA and SV%. So no... I'm not upset "just because I lost". As many even on the EA forums have told you over and over again: even when you win, this game makes you mad.
    The fact that you think people hate this game because they lose all the time sounds like projection to me. I mean... just look at your record. LOL!
    You think a game should be 100% recreation of real life. That demonstrates such a disconnect from reality it's mind boggling.

    What's mind boggling is your insistence on defending a game that's clearly intended to be played casually (at best) and at worse is a blatant money grabbing operation, praying on those that can't help themselves (gambling problems).
    There's nothing wrong with EA's NHL being an arcade game. Taken as such, it's not such a bad game. The issue comes when EA takes it to the competitive level where it fails miserably. But hey, what do I know? I've only played competitive ICE hockey for 30 years.
    I'm sure someone who's never laced up actual ice skates and watched thousands of highlight reels of NHL games knows more than I do. RIGHT?
    VeNOM3099
    But hey, what do I know? I've only played competitive ICE hockey for 30 years.
    I'm sure someone who's never laced up actual ice skates and watched thousands of highlight reels of NHL games knows more than I do. RIGHT?

    You always talk about your '20 years of competitive hockey experience' but you have yet to prove it.
    And you always spice up your posts by stating that anyone who disagrees with you knows "nothing about hockey" and has "never even laced up ice skates".
    It's so ridiculous. I've always said that when it comes to bugs, glitches, missing features, removed features, presentation.. etc etc needed work. I've always agreed with you on that.
    Where I disagree is this attitude that until EA fulfills your personal view of what hockey is you just continue to call the development team out and EA as a company.
    I'd also like to point out that anyone who actually has 20 years of experience playing hockey NEVER refers to it as 'ICE Hockey' and I would imagine one's energy would be best spent coaching people rather than telling anyone who will listen that the game company that currently makes NHL videogames is just a 'blatant money grabbing operation'.
    lol
    KoryDub
    You always talk about your '20 years of competitive hockey experience' but you have yet to prove it.

    Ah! So I have to prove to you that I actually played ice hockey. And it's for 30 years since I've started playing competitively since I was 14 (i'm now 46).
    Who are you again and why should I care enough to LIE to you about it???
    And you always spice up your posts by stating that anyone who disagrees with you knows "nothing about hockey" and has "never even laced up ice skates".

    No, I state that anyone who doesn't know anything about hockey has never laced up a pair of skates. It's a subtle difference and I don't expect someone of your intellectual caliber to pick up on it.
    It's so ridiculous.

    One of the rare times you and I agree on something... Your rhetoric IS ridiculous.
    I've always said that when it comes to bugs, glitches, missing features, removed features, presentation.. etc etc needed work. I've always agreed with you on that.

    I'll mail you a cookie...
    Where I disagree is this attitude that until EA fulfills your personal view of what hockey is you just continue to call the development team out and EA as a company.

    The development team I'm cool with. I've talked with Ben enough to see his point of view and the struggles he's had to go through to get this game even playing the way it does. What i'm less copacetic about is EA's agenda of favouring to make a profit off those that don't know better rather than allowing their development team to actually fix the game that's been ailing for so long.
    I'd also like to point out that anyone who actually has 20 years of experience playing hockey NEVER refers to it as 'ICE Hockey'

    Really? Because there is ICE Hockey, ROLLER Hockey, FIELD Hockey, FLOOR Hockey... TABLE Hockey. And you sound like the type of person that would need this extra explanation. Not that I think you're dumb or anything... Just slow.
    And again, it's 30 years. 32 if you want to get specific about it, but I try to dumb it down and round it out for you, kay?
    and I would imagine one's energy would be best spent coaching people

    I have. I've told you this before: I actually coached hockey for a few years after I was done playing it. See? There's a slowness showing...
    rather than telling anyone who will listen that the game company that currently makes NHL videogames is just a 'blatant money grabbing operation'.
    lol

    Oooooooooh... I'm hardly the only one saying this. I can link you to at least three articles that points this out. Including one where the EA CEO says he can't understand why gamers keep hating on EA so much. it's SUCH a mistery!
    LOL!!
    VeNOM3099
    Ah! So I have to prove to you that I actually played ice hockey. And it's for 30 years since I've started playing competitively since I was 14 (i'm now 46).
    Who are you again and why should I care enough to LIE to you about it???
    No, I state that anyone who doesn't know anything about hockey has never laced up a pair of skates. It's a subtle difference and I don't expect someone of your intellectual caliber to pick up on it.
    One of the rare times you and I agree on something... Your rhetoric IS ridiculous.
    I'll mail you a cookie...
    The development team I'm cool with. I've talked with Ben enough to see his point of view and the struggles he's had to go through to get this game even playing the way it does. What i'm less copacetic about is EA's agenda of favouring to make a profit off those that don't know better rather than allowing their development team to actually fix the game that's been ailing for so long.
    Really? Because there is ICE Hockey, ROLLER Hockey, FIELD Hockey, FLOOR Hockey... TABLE Hockey. And you sound like the type of person that would need this extra explanation. Not that I think you're dumb or anything... Just slow.
    And again, it's 30 years. 32 if you want to get specific about it, but I try to dumb it down and round it out for you, kay?
    I have. I've told you this before: I actually coached hockey for a few years after I was done playing it. See? There's a slowness showing...
    Oooooooooh... I'm hardly the only one saying this. I can link you to at least three articles that points this out. Including one where the EA CEO says he can't understand why gamers keep hating on EA so much. it's SUCH a mistery!
    LOL!!

    lmao. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them today.
    32 years of ICE hockey experience.. L. M. A. O.
    KoryDub
    lmao. Thanks for the laughs. I needed them today.
    32 years of ICE hockey experience.. L. M. A. O.

    Translation: You have nothing to say, so you say the dumbest thing possible.
    Classic Kroydub! Thanks for playing, though! Your copy of "Dumb & Dumber: The Board Game" is already shipped!
    C-ya, Buddy!
    KoryDub
    Um, no. He keeps spamming every forum he can with that garbage.
    You literally cannot play this 'mod' without breaking the law. You need to have NHL2K11. If, by some miracle you still have a copy of this game, you need to rip an ISO of it. Chances are, you don't have it so you need to download an ISO of the game from some shady website (illegal) and use it in an emulator (illegal).
    Nobody should support playing a game that requires users to break laws.

    Opinions are like arse holes. Everyone's got one.
    In all honesty, do you think the distributor of NHL2K11 really would care considering that it's not like it would hurt their sales... The game is 9 years old and they don't officially sell it no more.
    But as you state yourself, no you don't HAVE to break the law. You can buy the game. You can buy it used. Want a link? https://www.ebay.com/p/NHL-2K11-Nintendo-Wii-2010/92969418
    Yep, you're welcome! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79DijItQXMM 😉
    AI and skating / player weight (players feel like they have no individual weight) is again the weak spot.
    They should release it on PC and let the modders make this game better :cheers: like NHL04 rebuilt mod.
    hockeyyt988
    That’s very true. That’s why I said not apples to oranges. Plus to design a hockey game of AAA next gen quality would take quite a while. I just don’t see it happening.
    Hockey is my favorite sport by far but NHL has lost my interest.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    To be fair, the only sports game that is next-gen AAA quality is NBA2K.
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    Money99
    To be fair, the only sports game that is next-gen AAA quality is NBA2K.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Offline? Probably... Online? Definitely not!
    But in my top three best sport (or motorsport) simulation category would be, in no particular order: Formula One 2018, NBA 2K16 and NHL 2K8.
    It's all good guy's :)
    What I learned is that the best way to deal with the people like KoryDub is just ignore them. It's probably the best punishment for them anyway hah.
    Remember, it is the same guy that already attacked me when I decided to leave the Gamechangers group, because I didn't liked new arcade direction shift of the NHL franchise.
    He basically said I'm a liar and claimed that there is no change in direction. Lol
    And it was right before the comeback of clown gear 3s, 1s and this year BR mode. Like 3 years ago?
    I mean, what more can I say? ;)
    Here is the thread:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-nhl/865191-gamechanger-event-1-very-early-impressions.html
    As for the mod I'm working on... I think it's the only way at the moment how to keep the 2k hockey alive and breathing.
    Actually 2 original 2K developers are quite passionate members of my little 2KHS community on the Facebook so I really don't feel like I stealing anything from them, we have really nice conversations about the game and mod, which I appreciate :)
    But I'm not working on it to give EA a competition. I spent last 4 years of my life on it, because the game is good. Even with flaws its somehow a better representation of hockey than what EA decided to do with their product.
    And btw., even the owner of this OS site is cool enough to tweet about the 2KHS from time to time. 2K is very well aware of what I'm doing, believe me :) If everything goes well it might be a solid prototype of a new generation of 2k hockey.
    And honestly I don't have to spam it anywhere Lol
    Actually this is literally the ONLY hockey/gamey forum where I have account, so not sure how I could "spam" it elsewhere. So it again... lie.
    Anyway, I think I'll end it here, I already dedicated this guy more energy than he deserves :)
    Have a great day everyone.
    DJ NEO
    It's all good guy's :)
    What I learned is that the best way to deal with the people like KoryDub is just ignore them. It's probably the best punishment for them anyway hah.
    Remember, it is the same guy that already attacked me when I decided to leave the Gamechangers group, because I didn't liked new arcade direction shift of the NHL franchise.
    He basically said I'm a liar and claimed that there is no change in direction. Lol
    And it was right before the comeback of clown gear 3s, 1s and this year BR mode. Like 3 years ago?
    I mean, what more can I say? ;)
    Here is the thread:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-nhl/865191-gamechanger-event-1-very-early-impressions.html
    As for the mod I'm working on... I think it's the only way at the moment how to keep the 2k hockey alive and breathing.
    Actually 2 original 2K developers are quite passionate members of my little 2KHS community on the Facebook so I really don't feel like I stealing anything from them, we have really nice conversations about the game and mod, which I appreciate :)
    But I'm not working on it to give EA a competition. I spent last 4 years of my life on it, because the game is good. Even with flaws its somehow a better representation of hockey than what EA decided to do with their product.
    And btw., even the owner of this OS site is cool enough to tweet about the 2KHS from time to time. 2K is very well aware of what I'm doing, believe me :) If everything goes well it might be a solid prototype of a new generation of 2k hockey.
    And honestly I don't have to spam it anywhere Lol
    Actually this is literally the ONLY hockey/gamey forum where I have account, so not sure how I could "spam" it elsewhere. So it again... lie.
    Anyway, I think I'll end it here, I already dedicated this guy more energy than he deserves :)
    Have a great day everyone.

    You're right. But it's kinda fun to stick it to him where his little butt buddies from the EA forums can't help him. If he thinks I'm gonna bow down to him, especially when he comes to a battle of wits unarmed, he has another thing coming. LOL!
    That said, it's nice that some people are keeping the 2K legacy alive. I think it's great that you're working on a mod to a great game and I know that the 2K guys would be thrilled to know you're keeping its soul alive.
    For myself, I think I prefer NHL 2K8's engine, which I'm playing and absolutely falling in love with all over again! It's the goalies dude!! As good as some of the extra animations and presentation we got in NHL 2K10 and 11 are, there's just such a beautifully organic feeling to NHL 2K8 that's hard to not love.
    Even the graphics and animations, which are a little rough by today's standards, are not that bad.
    But the tendies steal the show in that game, IMO. Having goalies that actually work at keeping the puck OUT of their nets and make scoring on them really challenging is one of the most REFRESHING aspects I've ever come across in a sports game. And they don't need to break the laws of physics or reality to do so.
    I wish I could play this online again... it's a shame 2K had to shut down their servers.
    Oh well... I'm having a lot of fun nonetheless. Once I get my sea legs back playing 2K8, I'm gonna tackle franchise mode and see where I can take my 2007 Stanley Cup Finalist Sens. :)
    Ya, I love both games.
    I'm actually quite surprised, how similar these games are once I started tuning the animations to the realistic values. Plus there are the new skating/jostling/checking animations of course, new gameplay/controls features etc.
    I also showed your 2k8 goalies vid to Ben (EA gameplay producer) several times.
    Well at this stage Im honestly afraid that the actual engineers/programmers that works on this game can't do that better, it's just out of their possibilities and Ben as a producer can't do much about that, unfortunately.
    Or the EA NHL engine itself is not capable of doing anything truly physics based or unscripted.
    NHL 19 has been a wonderful experience so far, now that I figured out the goalie screen persistence was the issue, I can now use higher form of shot accuracy's in 20 Minutes and not have huge scores, just gotta becareful with elite teams such as pittsburge and St'louis Blues, I think these two teams are like elite level offense, they both live up to there name in the game and in real life, as team that is hard to be beat meaning u gonna loose against them.
    I can now relax little easyer now , that my goalies can stop a shot from far out and keep the team in there.
    I just wish the ice textures we're better and instead of all weird looking, but everything as else is fine, now that am personally stress testing the goalies to see how far they will bend under pressure from shots, am also testing it in be a pro goalies and forwards.
    first game with goalie persistence and little adjustments to penalties and stuff, loss 2-1, now that I call that a credible improvement in score, instead of lopp sided goals, that my team was putting up, I played great, I even held a 1-0 through two periods, before giving up deflection shot and another shot, that slid right past me, cause I had bad positioning , am curious to see if goalie persistence makes another appearance in NHL 20.
    :appl::cheers:
    Fredette
    AI and skating / player weight (players feel like they have no individual weight) is again the weak spot.
    They should release it on PC and let the modders make this game better :cheers: like NHL04 rebuilt mod.

    Yep. That's what happened to the WWE series after we started modding that series. They finally decided to release on PC and actually "supported" mods. But on the other hand... That was 2K...
    Ok
    I’m waaayyy late to this party and haven’t read the entire thread. But I did watch that video with the all star Bruins team. Loved it!
    Now to my question.
    How do I get to play this game? And what kind of mods are available?
    I assume this is for pc only?
    Steer me in the right direction please.
    I've played hockey for close to 30 years...and I stink. In fact, I tend to worse as I now have hit the age of 50.
    Until EA has roster sharing, as an offline player, I'm gonna pass.
    Time to play NHL Legacy and looking to explore 2K8/10 again.
    TSOLEliot
    I've played hockey for close to 30 years...and I stink. In fact, I tend to worse as I now have hit the age of 50.
    Until EA has roster sharing, as an offline player, I'm gonna pass.
    Time to play NHL Legacy and looking to explore 2K8/10 again.

    I played NHL Legacy at a buddies house a few months ago and couldn’t believe how much more enjoyable it was to NHL 19.
    I found the skating and player control was so much cleaner.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    lions67
    Ok
    I’m waaayyy late to this party and haven’t read the entire thread. But I did watch that video with the all star Bruins team. Loved it!
    Now to my question.
    How do I get to play this game? And what kind of mods are available?
    I assume this is for pc only?
    Steer me in the right direction please.

    Awesome you found the links on your own. Anyone else that reads this, start by checking the links in my signature. This forum is the most active one on 2KHS/2K11 modding.
    If you want to help with modding or create your own stuff, just say so and I will help as much as I can. When I finish the new current roster I was thinking of writing up some n00b tutorials on 2K11/2KHS modding.
    Just reset my PS3 (had some weird issues) and I'm back up and running and installing the just released 2019/2020 NHL Legacy rosters as I type this!
    Last Gen Legacy is still king in my book.
    Popping in the sweet latest NHL Goal Horns to go with my custom music also. :cheers444
    Anyone notice after every Devils powerplay goal they always show that one player fan celebrating? LOL EA. Your presentation sucks!
    Also the game plays way too fast and feels like a hockey arcade game than an actual representation and simulation of a real hockey game. Where are all the signature shots and skating you promised EA? I don't see them in this video.
    Also what's with all the penalites? Just awful.. . Same player and goalie celebrations at the end of the game as well. No creativity or effort to improve the presentation or gameplay in the game by EA. Poor effort if you ask me. I'll pass on the game this year. Thanks EA!
    From the feature list:
    "Finally, new goaltender A.I. includes full offensive threat analysis, allowing goalies to read the positioning and threat level of every attack before actively controlling rebounds and redirecting pucks away from danger."
    Finally? LMAO EA. Really? Why did it take you this long to improve your goaltender A.I.? This should have been done years ago. Your priorites are all messed up. Whoever is in charge needs to step down (or even better sacked) and someone else needs to step in and take over game development.
    Poor CPU/Player AI and no player differentiation. NHL 20 looks and plays just like NHL 19, and if anyone tells you otherwise is either lying or blind.
    TSOLEliot
    I've played hockey for close to 30 years...and I stink. In fact, I tend to worse as I now have hit the age of 50.
    Until EA has roster sharing, as an offline player, I'm gonna pass.
    Time to play NHL Legacy and looking to explore 2K8/10 again.

    I just picked this up for 11 bucks on amazon. I'll snag some rosters once they drop.

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