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NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details (11-15)

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NBA 2K18 Roster Update Details (11-15)

Mike Stauffer (@2KStauff) has sent us the NBA 2K18 roster update details for today.

In today’s update most of the players in the league saw an adjustment to their attributes. Below is a list of players whose OVR changed as a result of the adjustments.

Atlanta Hawks
Dennis Schroder: 81 OVR (+1)
Dewayne Dedmon: 77 OVR (+2)
Kent Bazemore: 77 OVR (+3)
Mike Muscala: 73 OVR (-1)
Luke Babbitt: 72 OVR (+2)
Isaiah Taylor: 72 OVR (+4)
Tyler Dorsey: 67 OVR (-1)

Brooklyn Nets
D’Angelo Russell: 83 OVR (+2)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: 79 OVR (+1)
DeMarre Carroll: 78 OVR (+1)
Trevor Booker: 75 OVR (-1)
Timofey Mozgov: 75 OVR (+1)
Caris LeVert: 74 OVR (-1)
Allen Crabbe: 74 OVR (-1)
Sean Kilpatrick: 71 OVR (-3)
Quincy Acy: 71 OVR (-1)

Boston Celtics
Al Horford: 86 OVR (+2)
Jayson Tatum: 80 OVR (+1)
Marcus Smart: 80 OVR (+2)
Jaylen Brown: 78 OVR (+1)
Terry Rozier: 76 OVR (+1)
Aron Baynes: 76 OVR (+2)
Daniel Theis: 72 OVR (+1)

Charlotte Hornets
Dwight Howard: 80 OVR (-2)
Jeremy Lamb: 79 OVR (+1)
Cody Zeller: 77 OVR (+1)
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 75 OVR (-1)

Chicago Bulls
Bobby Portis: 78 OVR (+2)
Denzel Valentine: 75 OVR (+2)
Jerian Grant: 74 OVR (+1)
David Nwaba: 74 OVR (+3)
Justin Holiday: 73 OVR (-1)
Kris Dunn: 73 OVR (+1)
Paul Zipser: 71 OVR (-2)
Cristiano Felicio: 71 OVR (-2)
Ryan Arcidiacono: 67 OVR (+1)

Cleveland Cavs
Dwyane Wade: 77 OVR (-3)
Jae Crowder: 77 OVR (-2)
Derrick Rose: 77 OVR (-1)
Jeff Green: 77 OVR (+2)
Kyle Korver: 77 OVR (+2)
J.R. Smith: 75 OVR (+2)

Dallas Mavericks
Harrison Barnes: 82 OVR (+2)
Dennis Smith Jr.: 77 OVR (+1)
Nerlens Noel: 76 OVR (-2)
Wesley Matthews: 76 OVR (-1)
Dirk Nowitzki: 76 OVR (-1)
Salah Mejri: 76 OVR (+2)
Yogi Ferrell: 74 OVR (-1)
Devin Harris: 74 OVR (+1)
Dwight Powell: 72 OVR (-1)

Denver Nuggets
Nikola Jokic: 89 OVR (+2)
Paul Millsap: 85 OVR (-1)
Gary Harris: 79 OVR (-2)
Will Barton: 79 OVR (+1)
Jamal Murray: 76 OVR (+1)
Kenneth Faried: 75 OVR (-3)
Emmanuel Mudiay: 75 OVR (+1)
Malik Beasley: 73 OVR (+1)
Darrell Arthur: 72 OVR (-1)

Detroit Pistons
Andre Drummond: 88 OVR (+3)
Avery Bradley: 84 OVR (+1)
Reggie Jackson: 81 OVR (+1)
Langston Galloway: 76 OVR (+1)
Ish Smith: 76 OVR (+2)
Stanley Johnson: 74 OVR (+1)
Anthony Tolliver: 73 OVR (+1)
Reggie Bullock: 70 OVR (+2)
Eric Moreland: 67 OVR (+2)

Golden State Warriors
Stephen Curry: 95 OVR (+1)
Draymond Green: 88 OVR (+1)
Nick Young: 75 OVR (+1)
Zaza Pachulia: 74 OVR (-1)
Omri Casspi: 73 OVR (+1)
Kevon Looney: 70 OVR (-1)

Houston Rockets
James Harden: 95 OVR (+1)
Clint Capela: 84 OVR (+2)
Eric Gordon: 83 OVR (+1)
Bobby Brown: 70 OVR (-1)

Indiana Pacers
Darren Collison: 78 OVR (-1)
Thaddeus Young: 78 OVR (+1)
Domantas Sabonis: 78 OVR (+2)
Bojan Bogdanovic: 76 OVR (+1)
Al Jefferson: 76 OVR (+1)
Lance Stephenson: 73 OVR (+1)
T.J. Leaf: 71 OVR (-1)

Los Angeles Clippers
Blake Griffin: 87 OVR (-2)
DeAndre Jordan: 84 OVR (-3)
Louis Williams: 83 OVR (+2)
Patrick Beverley: 78 OVR (-2)
Danilo Gallinari: 78 OVR (-1)
Austin Rivers: 76 OVR (-2)
Willie Reed: 76 OVR (+2)
Wesley Johnson: 70 OVR (-1)

Los Angeles Lakers

Brook Lopez: 81 OVR (-1)
Jordan Clarkson: 79 OVR (+1)
Lonzo Ball: 77 OVR (-3)
Kyle Kuzma: 77 OVR (+1)
Julius Randle: 77 OVR (+1)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 77 OVR (-2)
Josh Hart: 69 OVR (-1)

Memphis Grizzlies
Marc Gasol: 88 OVR (-2)
Mike Conley: 85 OVR (-2)
Tyreke Evans: 82 OVR (+4)
Chandler Parsons: 77 OVR (+1)
Brandan Wright: 74 OVR (+1)
Dillon Brooks: 73 OVR (+2)
Jarell Martin: 71 OVR (-2)
Deyonta Davis: 71 OVR (-1)
Andrew Harrison: 69 OVR (-1)

Miami Heat
Dion Waiters: 80 OVR (+1)
James Johnson: 79 OVR (-1)
Kelly Olynyk: 77 OVR (+1)
Tyler Johnson: 74 OVR (-1)

Milwaukee Bucks
Giannis Antetokounmpo: 95 OVR (+1)
Eric Bledsoe: 83 OVR (-1)
Mirza Teletovic: 76 OVR (+2)
Thon Maker: 73 OVR (-1)
Matthew Dellavedova: 73 OVR (-1)
Rashad Vaughn: 71 OVR (+1)

Minnesota Timberwolves
Karl-Anthony Towns: 90 OVR (-1)
Jimmy Butler: 88 OVR (-1)
Taj Gibson: 77 OVR (+2)
Jamal Crawford: 76 OVR (-1)
Gorgui Dieng: 76 OVR (+2)
Nemanja Bjelica: 76 OVR (+2)
Shabazz Muhammad: 73 OVR (-1)
Tyus Jones: 72 OVR (-1)

New Orleans Pelicans
Jrue Holiday: 78 OVR (-1)
Tony Allen: 75 OVR (-1)
Jameer Nelson: 73 OVR (-1)
Ian Clark: 72 OVR (-2)
Dante Cunningham: 71 OVR (-1)
Cheick Diallo: 69 OVR (-1)

New York Knicks
Kristaps Porzingis: 91 OVR (+3)
Enes Kanter: 82 OVR (+1)
Tim Hardaway Jr.: 79 OVR (+1)
Frank Ntilikina: 75 OVR (+1)
Michael Beasley: 73 OVR (-2)
Lance Thomas: 70 OVR (-1)
Damyean Dotson: 69 OVR (+1)

Oklahoma City Thunder
Russell Westbrook: 92 OVR (-2)
Raymond Felton: 75 OVR (+1)
Patrick Patterson: 73 OVR (-1)
Terrance Ferguson: 70 OVR (-1)
Josh Huestis: 70 OVR (+1)
Dakari Johnson: 69 OVR (+2)

Orlando Magic
Evan Fournier: 83 OVR (+1)
Nikola Vucevic: 82 OVR (-1)
Aaron Gordon: 82 OVR (+2)
Jonathon Simmons: 78 OVR (+1)
Marreese Speights: 76 OVR (+2)
Terrence Ross: 73 OVR (-1)
Shelvin Mack: 73 OVR (-1)
Arron Afflalo: 72 OVR (-1)

Philadelphia 76ers
Ben Simmons: 84 OVR (+3)
Robert Covington: 81 OVR (+2)
Jerryd Bayless: 73 OVR (-1)

Phoenix Suns
Devin Booker: 87 OVR (+1)
T.J. Warren: 81 OVR (+4)
Greg Monroe: 77 OVR (-1)
Alex Len: 76 OVR (+1)
Tyson Chandler: 75 OVR (-1)
Josh Jackson: 75 OVR (-1)
Mike James: 75 OVR (+1)
Tyler Ulis: 74 OVR (-1)
Dragan Bender: 73 OVR (+1)
Derrick Jones Jr.: 71 OVR (+1)

Portland Trail Blazers
C.J. McCollum: 86 OVR (-1)
Jusuf Nurkic: 79 OVR (+2)
Evan Turner: 74 OVR (-1)
Shabazz Napier: 73 OVR (+2)
Zach Collins: 71 OVR (-2)
Noah Vonleh: 71 OVR (-1)

San Antonio Spurs
LaMarcus Aldridge: 87 OVR (+1)
Danny Green: 76 OVR (-1)
Kyle Anderson: 75 OVR (+1)
Manu Ginobili: 74 OVR (-1)
Bryn Forbes: 72 OVR (+1)
Brandon Paul: 70 OVR (+1)

Sacramento Kings
George Hill: 77 OVR (-2)
De’Aaron Fox: 77 OVR (-1)
Buddy Hield: 77 OVR (+1)
Bogdan Bogdanovic: 76 OVR (+1)
Justin Jackson: 74 OVR (+2)
Vince Carter: 73 OVR (-1)

Toronto Raptors
Kyle Lowry: 83 OVR (-1)
Jonas Valanciunas: 80 OVR (-1)
Jakob Poeltl: 76 OVR (+1)
C.J. Miles: 75 OVR (-1)

Utah Jazz
Ricky Rubio: 78 OVR (-1)
Joe Ingles: 78 OVR (-1)
Donovan Mitchell: 78 OVR (+4)
Derrick Favors: 76 OVR (-1)
Thabo Sefolosha: 76 OVR (+1)
Alec Burks: 73 OVR (-1)
Raul Neto: 71 OVR (-1)

Washington Wizards
Bradley Beal: 88 OVR (+1)
Otto Porter: 84 OVR (+1)
Marcin Gortat: 78 OVR (-1)
Markieff Morris: 77 OVR (-1)
Ian Mahinmi: 72 OVR (-2)
Jodie Meeks: 72 OVR (-1)
Jason Smith: 71 OVR (-2)

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  1. Man, he does such a great job with this, while the team of chimps at EA is busy plugging LaVine and Chris Paul back into their respective starting lineups.
    I guess I just need to start playing 2k more and maybe I can force myself to enjoy the gameplay.
    garyraymond23
    Simmons up 3 points to 84
    RoCo up 2 points to 81
    Well done, 2k team.

    yep well deserved for them and a little surprised to see them move Westbrook down 2 points.
    Fantastic update across the board. Now all we need is correct first and secondary positions for players in the game.
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    The 24th Letter
    He wasn't already there? I played with the Knicks last night and I swear he was on there...
    I didn't have time to play as of this morning so maybe he was already in lol
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    Looks like the contracts are still wrong for embiid, Wiggins, and josh Richardson. Probably some others too. Bummer.
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    Netsfan76
    Fantastic update across the board. Now all we need is correct first and secondary positions for players in the game.
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    Looks like some positions were changed and updated. I noticed quite a few just scanning through quickly.
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    Netsfan76
    Fantastic update across the board. Now all we need is correct first and secondary positions for players in the game.
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    There were position changes, I few a noticed on first glance are
    Ben Simmons went from SF/PF to PF/PG
    Giannis went from SF/SG to SF/PF
    Tyreke Evans is now a SG
    Jamal Murray SG/PG to PG/SG
    Yuss
    There were position changes, I few a noticed on first glance are
    Ben Simmons went from SF/PF to PF/PG
    Giannis went from SF/SG to SF/PF
    Tyreke Evans is now a SG
    Jamal Murray SG/PG to PG/SG

    Thanks! I haven’t had a chance to check today as I’m in the process of moving to Florida so likely will be out of commission until Friday’s move in. Great to see players were finally updated though
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    Looking good. Think I'll wait just one more update before I start a My League but things are shaping up nicely so far with these updates.  
    Anyone notice if things such as tendencies and anmiations (shots, dribbling) have been updated for players?  I can't think of anyone that had glaring problems in these areas but I know some of you are much more aware of these things.  As a C's fan I was hoping to see Rozier get an improvement to dribbling.  He looks like a made a bit of a leap in this area IRL. 
    bedwardsroy19
    Looks like there was a bug, sorry about that! Will get that addressed in the next update

    Beds,
    Fantastic job on updating the player positions. Here are the remaining players to review for next update please as these are the last of the players needing an update to their positions.
    Marcus Morris - PF/SF
    Al Horford - PF/C
    Terry Rozier - PG/SG
    Kyrie Irving - PG/SG
    Guerschon Yabusele - PF/C
    Rondae Hollis Jefferson - PF/SF
    Caris LeVert - SF/SG
    Quincy Acy - C/PF
    Nic Batum - SG/SF
    Jeff Green - PF/SF
    Channing Frye - C/PF
    Cedi Osman - SF/SG
    Dwyane Wade - SG/PG
    Kyle Korver - SF/SG
    Dwight Powell - C/PF
    Juancho Hernangomez - SF/PF
    Eric Moreland - C/PF
    Nick Young - SG/SF
    Kevon Looney - C/PF
    David West - C/None
    Chinanu Onuaku - C/PF
    Ike Anibogu - C/PF
    Montrezl Harrell - C/PF
    Chandler Parsons - PF/SF
    James Johnson - PF/C
    Okaro White - PF/SF
    Rodney McGruder - SF/SG
    Tony Allen - SF/SG
    Jerami Grant - PF/C
    Nick Collison - C/PF
    Carmelo Anthony - PF/SF
    Jonathan Isaac- PF/SF
    Evan Fournier - SF/SG
    Mario Hezonja - SF/SG
    Terrance Ross - SG/SF
    Jerryd Bayless - SG/PG
    Timothe Luwawu Cabborot - SF/SG
    Thank you very much for a great effort this year in updating the roster frequently. Once these are added I believe everyone will be able to start a MYGM and have everything correct!
    Oh before I forget, could you pass along to whomever does the Tendencies that the community has been asking about another update please? I’ve seen many people ask for it as have I.
    Have a great Thanksgiving Holiday!
    Aron Baynes needs his strength updated big time. He is by far the strongest player on the team yet him and Rozier have the same strength rating. 64 is not going to cut it. Kyrie's face can vouch for him.
    And Smart's 3 pt rating is still too high. I understand he's a tricky player to rate because he takes the dumbest shots and can hit a few when he's feeling it but he is shooting the worse of his career. Raise his playmaking abilities but drop that 3 pt rating. It's not fair to my opponents when I can nail threes consistently with him.
    Netsfan76
    Beds,
    Fantastic job on updating the player positions. Here are the remaining players to review for next update please as these are the last of the players needed an update to their positions.
    Marcus Morris - PF/SF
    Al Horford - PF/C
    Guerschon Yabusele - PF/C
    Rondae Hollis Jefferson - PF/SF
    Caris LeVert - SF/SG
    Quincy Acy - C/PF
    Nic Batum - SG/SF
    Jeff Green - PF/SF
    Channing Frye - C/PF
    Cedi Osman - SF/SG
    Dwyane Wade - SG/PG
    Kyle Korver - SF/SG
    Dwight Powell - C/PF
    Juancho Hernangomez - SF/PF
    Eric Moreland - C/PF
    Nick Young - SG/SF
    Kevon Looney - C/PF
    David West - C/PF
    Chinanu Onuaku - C/PF
    Ike Anibogu - C/PF
    Montrezl Harrell - C/PF
    Chandler Parsons - PF/SF
    James Johnson - PF/C
    Okaro White - PF/SF
    Rodney McGruder - SF/SG
    Tony Allen - SF/SG
    Jerami Grant - PF/C
    Nick Collison - C/PF
    Carmelo Anthony - PF/SF
    Jonathan Isaac- PF/SF
    Evan Fournier - SF/SG
    Mario Hezonja - SF/SG
    Terrance Ross - SG/SF
    Jerryd Bayless - SG/PG
    Timothe Luwawu Cabborot - SF/SG
    Thank you very much for a great effort this year in updating the roster frequently. Once these are added I believe everyone will be able to start a MYGM and have everything correct!
    Oh before I forget, could you pass along to whomever does the Tendencies that the community has been asking about another update please? I’ve seen many people ask for it as have I.
    Have a great Thanksgiving Holiday!
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    I disagree with you trying to give every player a secondary position, not every player plays two positions
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    When startin myleague today i cannot assing vander blue from g-league to lakers nor can i change his contract to be normal and not two-way
    jayska23
    I disagree with you trying to give every player a secondary position, not every player plays two positions
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    This is a position-less era of basketball. The only way around it atm is to give them multiple positions. Only very short/tall players one position nowadays. (Isaiah Thomas, Shane Larkin, Steven Adams, etc.)
    Crossover1
    This is a position-less era of basketball. The only way around it atm is to give them multiple positions. Only very short/tall players one position nowadays. (Isaiah Thomas, Shane Larkin, Steven Adams, etc.)

    You can go to basketball reference and get actual positional totals for every player tho, I do agree they should add a 3rdary position in 2K19 for the players like Marcus smart, who play sg,sf & pg
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    jayska23
    You can go to basketball reference and get actual positional totals for every player tho, I do agree they should add a 3rdary position in 2K19 for the players like Marcus smart, who play sg,sf & pg
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    I suggested this same thing on OS but there were people arguing against it 😒
    Also, Kyrie and Rozier needs their secondary positions at SG. They sometimes play with each other or with Larkin on the court.
    georgiafan
    I am way more excited for this then a normal person should be

    Seriously.... I'm ssure if I ever meet in the street. He would treated like a celeb lol
    Goffs
    Jarrett Jack is finally with the Knicks!

    I played with him last night. I kept thing it was Sessions LMAO
    The 24th Letter
    He wasn't already there? I played with the Knicks last night and I swear he was on there...

    I played last night.... didn't realize that the rosters were updated.
    georgiafan
    yep well deserved for them and a little surprised to see them move Westbrook down 2 points.

    That's kind of disappointing.... But some body had to go down.
    Crossover1
    Aron Baynes needs his strength updated big time. He is by far the strongest player on the team yet him and Rozier have the same strength rating. 64 is not going to cut it. Kyrie's face can vouch for him.
    And Smart's 3 pt rating is still too high. I understand he's a tricky player to rate because he takes the dumbest shots and can hit a few when he's feeling it but he is shooting the worse of his career. Raise his playmaking abilities but drop that 3 pt rating. It's not fair to my opponents when I can nail threes consistently with him.

    OMG 64 Strength... He's a beast of a man
    Crossover1
    I suggested this same thing on OS but there were people arguing against it 😒
    Also, Kyrie and Rozier needs their secondary positions at SG. They sometimes play with each other or with Larkin on the court.

    Yea... we might need a third one in there. Players are just playing waaay too many positions now. I wonder how the rules are coded for the second position. They would have to be different from the second
    Crossover1
    I suggested this same thing on OS but there were people arguing against it 😒
    Also, Kyrie and Rozier needs their secondary positions at SG. They sometimes play with each other or with Larkin on the court.

    They need to add tertiary positions next year for guys like marcus smart, jayson tatum, Lebron, Ben simmons, etc.
    All of those guys play 3+ positions on a consistent basis
    VAWereWolf65
    They need to add tertiary positions next year for guys like marcus smart, jayson tatum, Lebron, Ben simmons, etc.
    All of those guys play 3+ positions on a consistent basis

    Anybody else think it would be funny if 2k listed Ben Simmons something like:
    PG/PF/SF/SG
    or LeBron like
    SF/PF/PG/SG/C
    I'm really happy to see Jokic get back up and Mudiay to get some love too.
    Pistons finally got a boost! I wonder what tier their in now.
    If anyone could give me Lonzo Ball ratings that would be nice?
    I'm so happy for Tykere Evans. Good Health to you!!
    Greek Freak went up!! I can't wait to get home and see what was boosted.
    Sad to see Butler go down again
    My was playing with the Knicks.... And man I can't telling him the game feels weird. Now I know why lol
    Donovan Mitchell has been rising!
    I can't wait to get home and see what was boosted
    Nice jobs Bed.
    Can anyone tell if the 2001-2002 Nets have updated at all?... I don't want to post anymore videos. Please don't make me have to lol
    jayska23
    You can go to basketball reference and get actual positional totals for every player tho, I do agree they should add a 3rdary position in 2K19 for the players like Marcus smart, who play sg,sf & pg

    BBRef is definitely not 100% accurate with regard to their position data.
    Take the following lineup for example
    J. Crowder | L. James | K. Love | J. Smith | T. Thompson
    BBRef will classify it as such
    PG: J.R. Smith
    SG: Jae Crowder
    SF: LeBron James
    PF: Kevin Love
    C: Tristan Thompson
    When in REALITY it was
    PG: LeBron James
    SG: J.R. Smith
    SF: Jae Crowder
    PF: Kevin Love
    C: Tristan Thompson
    As a result BBRef has 21% of Smith's minutes coming at PG. You can find similar instances where point-forwards throw their system out of whack. Anytime Evan Turner gets backup PG minutes they will give him "SG" minutes and bump the SG to PG, even if that SG isn't close to being a PG.
    Even without point-forward instances there are still plenty of questionable ones. For example, on the Hawks they have Marco Belinelli getting SF minutes in any lineup he shares with Kent Bazemore (which we can tell is not the case by looking at their rebounding stats - Bazemore's rebound rate is up which indicates he is getting the SF minutes - whereas Belinelli's are as low as they've ever been)
    Rashidi

    BBRef will classify it as such
    PG: J.R. Smith
    SG: Jae Crowder
    SF: LeBron James
    PF: Kevin Love
    C: Tristan Thompson

    I think their reasoning for doing this, if I remember the article where I read this correctly, is:
    It's dictated by what position their guarding.
    So in this instance, I would assume JR is guarding the opposing team's PG, Jae on the SG etc.
    Point forwards, the Ben Simmons, LeBrons, Giannis' all entirely mess up a traditional 1-5 position now a days though, you're right. These guys can slot in at the classic PF position, yet take over the primary ball handling duties, facilitating and bringing it up the court.
    A guy like lowry who adjusted his game to fit a new offense..coming off back to back seasons of great play is getting disrespected here.
    They were slow to adjust his 3pt rating in the past. He gonna be a 70 by next week? Aha.
    Anyone know if they touched any tendencies with this update? Its the tendencies and adjusting some teams style of play thru ACE that really needs adjusted the most.
    garyraymond23
    I think their reasoning for doing this, if I remember the article where I read this correctly, is:
    It's dictated by what position their guarding.
    So in this instance, I would assume JR is guarding the opposing team's PG, Jae on the SG etc.

    The flaw in this practice is they aren't actually WATCHING the game to discern this information - they are merely assigning a position (basing it on Player Height/Weight). Bazemore and Belinelli are both 6'5" but since Marco has a "listed" weight 9 points higher they'll assign him the "bigger" position and assume he is matched with those players.
    Nor are they consistent in it's application considering they have Ben Simmons at "PG" with Jerryd Bayless at SG, J.J. Redick at SF, and Robert Covington at PF.
    A notable example is Quentin Richardson being listed at SG for the 2005 Suns. Despite their size difference, Joe Johnson was the starting SG and Q-Rich was the SF.

    We can clearly see:
    1. Johnson listed as a starting guard.
    2. Johnson matched up with Dwyane Wade
    Yet the 2005 Suns per BBRef:
    Q-Rich: 97% SG / 2% PG / 1% SF
    Johnson: 74% SF / 26% PF
    Word?
    The reason why Q-Rich was a SF (despite smaller stature) was he was an excellent rebounder for his size and had more strength than quickness.
    This isn't the only time Q-Rich would be misclassified either. They have him starting at SG for the Knicks when a young Wilson Chandler was starting there (adding to the "confusion", the versatile Chandler would go on to start at PF next to Danilo Gallinari).
    BBR provides a solid guideline but I have 10 years experience ironing out their details.
    Ok I'm disappointed right now.
    Ben Simmons got a mid range boost for open shots?! He was a 55. Now he's a 75. You got to be kidding me right? Open 3's at 55. Maybe Rashid can make me feel better with some stats. But I'm sure this guy doesn't shoot. Worst of all his offense consistency is 90 now. Come on now. I love him. But he's not that good.
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    One positive...
    Beds final broke out of the scale for big men. Specify AD and Cousins.They both have driving layup 90 and 89 now. Cousins dribbling still at 72. I can't tell if if should be higher.
    Jokic got a boost. But he still doesn't have any passing badges smh.... How is this possible? I would think maybe a bronze flashy pass.
    I understand if you guys hate me at this point. But there is just no way in hell that Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles should be this bad on defense. I'm not even going to bring up any stats I'll leave that to Rashid ha. That Nets team went the the NBA Finals 2 years in a row. Granted they got sweept the first time by the Mighty Lakers. And then got 6 games out of the Spurs.
    Kenyon Martin

    Kerry Kittles was one of the fastest players. And what's worst is that his defense is just as bad as Kenyon Martin.

    I can't repeat this. The Nets were known for their defense back then. Worst of all. They ran off those defensive stops. Why do we keep denying them this? Kerry speed without the ball is 74. His Pass Perception is 66. His steal rating is 55. Defensive consistentcy is 75.... I'm not even getting into their other ratings.
    Kenyon Martin On ball defense is 60. His pick and roll defense is 64. Worst thing here..... His defensive consistentcy is 50.... Yes people 50. Pass perception is 68.
    I don't really get why you're looking for Classic Rating updates in threads about the Current NBA rosters. There are surely significant problems with EVERY Classic team but these teams typically don't get updated and they're a very low priority.
    Goffs
    In past 2k's did beds ever add/remove badges? I can't recall....

    Badges are someone else's department. At least, I can verify that when they were "Signature Skills" they were handled by a non-roster editor.
    jeebs9
    Ok I'm disappointed right now.
    Ben Simmons got a mid range boost for open shots?! He was a 55. Now he's a 75. You got to be kidding me right? Open 3's at 55. Maybe Rashid can make me feel better with some stats. But I'm sure this guy doesn't shoot. Worst of all his offense consistency is 90 now. Come on now. I love him. But he's not that good.
    More in a few
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    Yeah, Im not impressed at all, had high hopes when Beds, went to work for them, but outside of actually getting players added into the game much quicker than the so called 2k insider, the ratings and tendencies still are pretty pathetic IMO.Ben Simmons has had a impressive start to the season, but he isnt a good shooter, especially from any type of distance, he hasnt taken many 3's, but he has yet to make 1, 0-7 I think. He is close to 50% from the field, but thats mainly due to driving and scoring in the paint. Ive not seen him play a lot, so maybe he is shooting better from midrange than I think, but what I have seen of him, most of his shot are in the paint.
    Rashidi
    I don't really get why you're looking for Classic Rating updates in threads about the Current NBA rosters. There are surely significant problems with EVERY Classic team but these teams typically don't get updated and they're a very low priority.
    I get it you hate me....... Classic rosters......are.....part....of the current roster.
    CaseIH
    Yeah, Im not impressed at all, had high hopes when Beds, went to work for them, but outside of actually getting players added into the game much quicker than the so called 2k insider, the ratings and tendencies still are pretty pathetic IMO.Ben Simmons has had a impressive start to the season, but he isnt a good shooter, especially from any type of distance, he hasnt taken many 3's, but he has yet to make 1, 0-7 I think. He is close to 50% from the field, but thats mainly due to driving and scoring in the paint. Ive not seen him play a lot, so maybe he is shooting better from midrange than I think, but what I have seen of him, most of his shot are in the paint.
    I'm actually dumbfounded by this one. I'm really hoping Rashid can throw some stats at me. So I could shut up. I saw a article the other day that he has attempted 15 three points. All end of quarter shots. He hasn't taken a shot farther than 15 feet. And has only made a handful of jumpers.
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    jeebs9
    I get it you hate me....... Classic rosters......are.....part....of the current roster.

    It's more so that you've been beating the same dead horse for a month per the Classic Nets ratings, a team with a grand total of 6 rotation players.
    It's like complaining that Elden Campbell is underrated on a 2004 Pistons team missing Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, and Mehmet Okur. Nobody is picking them. It literally doesn't matter.
    Netsfan76
    Rashidi,
    I see you’re using 2Kratings as a baseline for positions. There are many that are incorrect on their site.
    Josh Richardson - PG on their site but is now updated to SF in game as of today’s update
    So many more that are badly incorrect on their site. Just an FYI.

    Yeah given that I don't have access to the game ATM that's what I've been using as my source. Some of the positions had me giving weird looks.
    From what I can tell 2Kratings only half-updated their page with regards to today's update.
    jeebs9
    One positive...
    Beds final broke out of the scale for big men. Specify AD and Cousins.They both have driving layup 90 and 89 now. Cousins dribbling still at 72. I can't tell if if should be higher.
    Jokic got a boost. But he still doesn't have any passing badges smh.... How is this possible? I would think maybe a bronze flashy pass.
    I understand if you guys hate me at this point. But there is just no way in hell that Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles should be this bad on defense. I'm not even going to bring up any stats I'll leave that to Rashid ha. That Nets team went the the NBA Finals 2 years in a row. Granted they got sweept the first time by the Mighty Lakers. And then got 6 games out of the Spurs.
    Kenyon Martin

    Kerry Kittles was one of the fastest players. And what's worst is that his defense is just as bad as Kenyon Martin.

    I can't repeat this. The Nets were known for their defense back then. Worst of all. They ran off those defensive stops. Why do we keep denying them this? Kerry speed without the ball is 74. His Pass Perception is 66. His steal rating is 55. Defensive consistentcy is 75.... I'm not even getting into their other ratings.
    Kenyon Martin On ball defense is 60. His pick and roll defense is 64. Worst thing here..... His defensive consistentcy is 50.... Yes people 50. Pass perception is 68.

    This kinda bothers me more than it should. Those Nets teams were known to run as often as possible off misses and their defense. The only weak point defensively was KVH.
    Advanced stats wise the Nets were number 1 in defensive rating that year. I agree they should get some love defensively in game.
    Rashidi
    It's more so that you've been beating the same dead horse for a month per the Classic Nets ratings, a team with a grand total of 6 rotation players.
    It's like complaining that Elden Campbell is underrated on a 2004 Pistons team missing Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, and Mehmet Okur. Nobody is picking them. It literally doesn't matter.
    See everyone? He does hate me. He went from Classic teams aren't part of the current rosters. To now saying the Nets aren't even a team. Thanks for stepping on my dreams fellow NYC buddy.
    Rashid got anything for me and my Ben Simmons post about his jumper?
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    With all this said. I don't see how Joel Embid hasn't had any boost to his ratings. Dude is playing like a monster
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    jeebs9
    With all this said. I don't see how Joel Embid hasn't had any boost to his ratings. Dude is print like a muscle.
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    With tonight’s game he needs one for sure
    Cleveland DRPM (was waiting for this)
    POINT GUARD
    -0.45 Jose Calderon
    -2.16 Derrick Rose (81st of 85) (last year: -2.36)
    SHOOTING GUARD
    -0.31 Iman Shumpert (31st) (last year: -0.16)
    -0.42 Dwyane Wade (36th) (last year: -0.46)
    -0.96 Kyle Korver (65th) (last year: -2.61)
    -2.14 J.R. Smith (91st of 95) (last year: -0.98)
    SMALL FORWARD
    0.12 Jeff Green (32nd) (last year: -1.31)
    -0.50 Cedi Osman
    -0.95 LeBron James (72nd of 83) (last year: 1.93 - 8th)
    POWER FORWARD
    1.23 Channing Frye
    1.00 Ante Zizic
    0.65 Kevin Love (46th of 80) (last year: 2.26 - 9th)
    -0.45 Jae Crowder (77th of 80) (last year: 1.69 - 21st)
    CENTER
    -0.95 Tristan Thompson (69 of 69) (last year: 1.31)
    http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM
    Notable DRPM (28+ MPG)
    Top 10 PG
    1.41 Ben Simmons
    1.01 Marcus Smart
    0.98 Russell Westbrook
    0.73 James Harden
    0.56 Jrue Holiday
    0.54 Lonzo Ball
    0.35 Stephen Curry
    0.34 Patrick Beverley
    0.20 Kyrie Irving (substantial improvement)
    -0.02 Kyle Lowry
    Top 10 SG
    0.60 Gary Harris
    0.50 Jaylen Brown
    0.42 Kent Bazemore
    0.42 Danny Green
    0.08 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
    -0.02 Justin Holiday
    -0.15 Evan Turner
    -0.27 E'Twaun Moore
    -0.32 Jimmy Butler
    -0.49 Victor Oladipo
    Top 10 SF
    1.84 Joe Ingles
    1.80 Josh Richardson
    1.67 Otto Porter
    1.48 Robert Covington
    1.38 Dillon Brooks
    1.31 DeMarre Carroll
    0.92 Stanley Johnson
    0.67 Jayson Tatum
    0.54 Trevor Ariza
    0.53 Paul George
    Top 10 PF
    2.99 Al Horford
    2.60 Draymond Green
    2.27 James Johnson
    1.84 Paul Millsap
    1.74 Al-Farouq Aminu
    0.71 Giannis Antetokounmpo
    0.70 Taj Gibson
    0.65 Anthony Davis
    0.65 Kevin Love
    0.36 Thaddeus Young
    Top 10 C
    3.13 DeMarcus Cousins
    3.03 Joel Embiid
    2.86 Nikola Jokic
    2.29 Dwight Howard
    2.24 Steven Adams
    1.96 Nikola Vucevic
    1.65 Marc Gasol
    1.38 DeAndre Jordan
    0.98 Rudy Gobert (lead all players last year)
    0.94 Robin Lopez
    Rashidi
    http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM
    Notable DRPM (28+ MPG)
    Top 10 PG
    1.41 Ben Simmons
    1.01 Marcus Smart
    0.98 Russell Westbrook
    0.73 James Harden
    0.56 Jrue Holiday
    0.54 Lonzo Ball
    0.35 Stephen Curry
    0.34 Patrick Beverley
    0.20 Kyrie Irving (substantial improvement)
    -0.02 Kyle Lowry
    Top 10 SG
    0.60 Gary Harris
    0.50 Jaylen Brown
    0.42 Kent Bazemore
    0.42 Danny Green
    0.08 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
    -0.02 Justin Holiday
    -0.15 Evan Turner
    -0.27 E'Twaun Moore
    -0.32 Jimmy Butler
    -0.49 Victor Oladipo
    Top 10 SF
    1.84 Joe Ingles
    1.80 Josh Richardson
    1.67 Otto Porter
    1.48 Robert Covington
    1.38 Dillon Brooks
    1.31 DeMarre Carroll
    0.92 Stanley Johnson
    0.67 Jayson Tatum
    0.54 Trevor Ariza
    0.53 Paul George
    Top 10 PF
    2.99 Al Horford
    2.60 Draymond Green
    2.27 James Johnson
    1.84 Paul Millsap
    1.74 Al-Farouq Aminu
    0.71 Giannis Antetokounmpo
    0.70 Taj Gibson
    0.65 Anthony Davis
    0.65 Kevin Love
    0.36 Thaddeus Young
    Top 10 C
    3.13 DeMarcus Cousins
    3.03 Joel Embiid
    2.86 Nikola Jokic
    2.29 Dwight Howard
    2.24 Steven Adams
    1.96 Nikola Vucevic
    1.65 Marc Gasol
    1.38 DeAndre Jordan
    0.98 Rudy Gobert (lead all players last year)
    0.94 Robin Lopez
    Was this to answer my post?
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    Iceman96
    Why the hell has Dwight Howard dropped so much,

    Dwight Howard
    15.6 PER (career low)
    54 TS% (career low)
    56.9 2PT% (worst in 11 years)
    40.6 FT% (career low)
    23.4 TO% (career worst - and it's not close)
    and why the hell hasn't Malik Monk at least gone back to 76.

    Reference point: A 76 would imply a slightly above league-average player.
    Malik Monk
    8.7 PER
    45 TS% on 24 USG%
    36.5 2PT%
    32.4 3PT%
    You are getting angry at the wrong people.
    Only in 2K fandom will a team get killed four times in a row and have fans clamoring for boosts
    Howard had 7 turnovers to 6 points (on 2-8 FG and 2-9 FT) in his last one
    Check a box score for christ's sake
    jeebs9
    Ok I'm disappointed right now.
    Ben Simmons got a mid range boost for open shots?! He was a 55. Now he's a 75. You got to be kidding me right? Open 3's at 55. Maybe Rashid can make me feel better with some stats. But I'm sure this guy doesn't shoot. Worst of all his offense consistency is 90 now. Come on now. I love him. But he's not that good.
    More in a few
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    What makes you think he doesn’t deserve a 90 offensive consistency? I mean it’s not like he’s lonzo ball where he’s scoring 19 points in one game and then 0 points in the next game.
    He’s consistently putting up 15+ points very night
    I'm not 100% sure but I believe the consistency rating has to do with how easily you get cold when scoring. Simmons isn't a threat outside so if someone is constantly shooting jumpers with him they won't be affected by terrible shot selection.
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    VAWereWolf65
    What makes you think he doesn’t deserve a 90 offensive consistency? I mean it’s not like he’s lonzo ball where he’s scoring 19 points in one game and then 0 points in the next game.
    He’s consistently putting up 15+ points very night

    See below
    Crossover1
    I'm not 100% sure but I believe the consistency rating has to do with how easily you get cold when scoring. Simmons isn't a threat outside so if someone is constantly shooting jumpers with him they won't be affected by terrible shot selection.
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    Exactly, Offensive Consistency rating helps in shooting. So like he said above if a user is always shooting with him. He's going to make more shots. That's why I call the Consistency rating the biggest rating 2k has every made. It can control the JR Smith from going off every single game. If they would of kept Ben Simmons shot rating a tiny boost (low 60's). And then boost his consistency rating I would of been totally fine with that. But by giving him a open mid range shot of 75. That means he is going to knock down open jumpers at a high rate. When it's totally something he isn't doing right now. I posted a few articles already. But he hasn't been taking many shots. What Beds should of done was increase his shot close rating. But boosting his jumper which he hasn't taken many is a huge mistake in my opinion. He went from 50 to 90......
    This boost should of gone to Joel Embid. He's actually underrated in my opinion. And this has nothing to do with last nights game.
    Well, I think it's time we have a conversation about Joel Embiid after last night lol
    Only play in NBA history with a stat line of:
    46+ points 15+ rebounds 7+ assists 7+ blocks in a single game
    Unsure if this ever happened before the "recorded" stats era, looking at your Russell/Walt, but still, my god.
    He's now averaging:
    23 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.5 apg 1 spg 1.9 bpg in 29 mpg shooting 51.6%
    You know what's funny?
    Ben Simmons night last night has gotten entirely overlooked due to Embiid's pure dominance.
    Simmons had 18 points 9 rebounds 10 assists 5 steals 1 block (only 1 TO) on 61.5% shooting - arguably the best game of his career.
    LionsFanNJ
    This kinda bothers me more than it should. Those Nets teams were known to run as often as possible off misses and their defense. The only weak point defensively was KVH.
    Advanced stats wise the Nets were number 1 in defensive rating that year. I agree they should get some love defensively in game.

    Exactly, the fact that the 2002 are rated so lowly. They are basically even worst because they don't have much of a bench players. I'm going to get into stats eventually. And even if someone says it doesn't matter. Yes it does! lol. Even the commentary mention Kerry speed in the court. But no defensive badges.... Come on smh
    garyraymond23
    Well, I think it's time we have a conversation about Joel Embiid after last night lol
    Only play in NBA history with a stat line of:
    46+ points 15+ rebounds 7+ assists 7+ blocks in a single game
    Unsure if this ever happened before the "recorded" stats era, looking at your Russell/Walt, but still, my god.
    He's now averaging:
    23 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.5 apg 1 spg 1.9 bpg in 29 mpg shooting 51.6%
    You know what's funny?
    Ben Simmons night last night has gotten entirely overlooked due to Embiid's pure dominance.
    Simmons had 18 points 9 rebounds 10 assists 5 steals 1 block (only 1 TO) on 61.5% shooting - arguably the best game of his career.

    Gary you have a bias lol. Do you think Ben rating boost (specify the jumper) are ok?
    jeebs9
    Gary you have a bias lol. Do you think Ben rating boost (specify the jumper) are ok?

    I'm trying to remain unbiased here (kinda) but I mean, Embiid being only an 86 overall in comparison to other player's ratings seems wrong IMO.
    Embiid is an 86.
    Horford is an 86: IMO Embiid is a much better all around player than Horford
    Drummond is an 88: Embiid cooked Drummond in their matchup
    Blake is an 87: Again, Embiid is better than Blake IMO
    I could go on, but I don't want to get too repetetive, just using a few big man examples that went up/down during the most recent roster update yesterday.
    I think Embiid deserves a boost, not only for his record setting performance last night, but his consistent dominance throughout the start of the season.
    Alright, on to Simmons.
    I just saw your post. I do think he deserved a boost for his mid range, but no, not to 75, that's excessive IMO. While he has been hitting mid range shots much better than I had initially anticipated him to, I'm unsure if his play so far this year warrants a 75 because a 75 in 2k will hit a high percentage of open/lightly contested shots.
    On the year, Simmons is shooting:
    69.6% at the rim
    55/79
    42.3% from 3 - 10 feet
    22/52
    28.9% from 10 - 16 feet
    13/45
    (This is why I don't think he deserves a 75 honestly)
    57.1% from 16 feet - 3PT line
    4/7
    (Surprising %, small sample size though)
    0% from 3
    0-7
    garyraymond23
    I'm trying to remain unbiased here (kinda) but I mean, Embiid being only an 86 overall in comparison to other player's ratings seems wrong IMO.
    Embiid is an 86.
    Horford is an 86: IMO Embiid is a much better all around player than Horford
    Drummond is an 88: Embiid cooked Drummond in their matchup
    Blake is an 87: Again, Embiid is better than Blake IMO
    I could go on, but I don't want to get too repetetive, just using a few big man examples that went up/down during the most recent roster update yesterday.
    I think Embiid deserves a boost, not only for his record setting performance last night, but his consistent dominance throughout the start of the season.
    Alright, on to Simmons.
    I just saw your post. I do think he deserved a boost for his mid range, but no, not to 75, that's excessive IMO. While he has been hitting mid range shots much better than I had initially anticipated him to, I'm unsure if his play so far this year warrants a 75 because a 75 in 2k will hit a high percentage of open/lightly contested shots.
    On the year, Simmons is shooting:
    69.6% at the rim
    55/79
    42.3% from 3 - 10 feet
    22/52
    28.9% from 10 - 16 feet
    13/45
    (This is why I don't think he deserves a 75 honestly)
    57.1% from 16 feet - 3PT line
    4/7
    (Surprising %, small sample size though)
    0% from 3
    0-7

    You see I knew you would be, as bias as possible on this haha jk. I totally agree with both your examples above! I saw the same stats the other day. I kind of think his rating should be in the mid 60's. To me he hasn't proved enough yet. When I first the overall rating boost. I thought they would of upgraded his inside shots. But improving a player who hasn't been taking jumpers like that. Makes no sense in my opinion. Shot chart below......
    As you will see from my 76ers dynasty on the link below I am more interested in Embiid's durability ratings getting a increase then his ratings. I forgot to look and see if those got a boost or not. If he can keep up the 20-10 averages after all the press this past game got him no doubt he will go up in 2 weeks.
    Do gameplay changes come with these roster updates? I swear everyone i play online today with GSW cant be stopped . Pulling up over and over contested 3 with curry and durant . I cant cut them off also so they can just ISO and run past me with the animation
    georgiafan
    As you will see from my 76ers dynasty on the link below I am more interested in Embiid's durability ratings get a increase then his ratings. I forgot to look and see if those got a boost or not. If he can keep up the 20-10 averages after all the press this past game got him no doubt he will up in 2 weeks.

    You know, it's the one rating I have no clue how anyone could rate a player lol. When do we give him a boost? After his 30th game?
    georgiafan
    As you will see from my 76ers dynasty on the link below I am more interested in Embiid's durability ratings getting a increase then his ratings. I forgot to look and see if those got a boost or not. If he can keep up the 20-10 averages after all the press this past game got him no doubt he will go up in 2 weeks.

    Considering no more games than he has played in since he was drafted, really doesnt warrant a increased durability, or not yet anyway.
    Lets see if he can stay healthy for even half a season 1st, before its raised.
    Also arent you concerned you may jinks him, by asking for 2k to toughen up Embiids durability:y1: Just kidding, but if I had a talented player on my favorite team, that couldnt seem to stay healthy, I would be keeping my fingers crossed, and not saying a word about it, for fear of jinxing the kid,lol.
    BluFu
    Also Beds, please stop dropping Lowry's ratings lol. He's been playing really well lately
    I don't know if he has it already. I think he needs that wildly inconsistent badge.
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    Crossover1
    Raising Embiid's durability this early is a joke. He's my favorite big in the league (surprise sirprise) but he hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet.
    I guess we'll find out after game 30.
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    hubertm1
    All in all a good Roster Update, but
    why is Willy Hernangomez still 77 !!!
    he isn`t even in the Rotation......

    Alternately they could just buff Kyle O'Quinn (who has been significantly underrated since getting drafted 6 years ago).
    O'Quinn's PER is 19.4 since joining the Knicks THREE YEARS AGO
    Crossover1
    Raising Embiid's durability this early is a joke. He's my favorite big in the league (surprise sirprise) but he hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet.

    He has been much healthier than last season.
    First 14 games
    2017: 10 games played (71%), 22 MPG
    2018: 12 games played (85%), 29 MPG
    Embiid played 70 minutes over his last two games. He never topped 30 in any game last season. He has no lingering issues. The team is cautious but its not like last season when he might as well have been made of glass.
    garyraymond23

    Embiid is an 86.
    Horford is an 86: IMO Embiid is a much better all around player than Horford
    Drummond is an 88: Embiid cooked Drummond in their matchup
    Blake is an 87: Again, Embiid is better than Blake IMO

    Horford: 21.6 PER (32 mpg)
    Drummond: 22.8 PER (33 mpg)
    Griffin: 21.6 PER (35 mpg)
    Embiid: 25.1 PER (29 mpg)
    None of these guys are playing poorly and it takes a bit more than "IMO" for an argument to stand. Given that Embiid's last game doesn't matter since it came AFTER the update.
    Calling Embiid a better "All-Around" player than Horford is asinine since Horford plays two front-court positions, is a significantly better shooter, and is the best defensive player on the best defensive team.
    Assist/Turnover Ratio
    1.8 Horford (59 assists, 32 turnovers)
    1.6 Griffin (61 assists to 38 turnovers)
    1.2 Drummond (46 assists to 40 turnovers)
    0.8 Embiid (42 assists to 53 turnovers)
    Embiid might have a comparable Assist rate to Horford/Griffin but he has a LONG way to go to becoming the playmaker they are.
    Embiid should be rated higher than an 86 but don't act like these guys are dogs (and only one of these players is actually a center).
    jeebs9
    I don't know if he has it already. I think he needs that wildly inconsistent badge.
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    Maybe during the playoffs, but he's still one of the league's best shooters during the season. Over the last 5 games he's making 3 threes a night
    BluFu
    Maybe during the playoffs, but he's still one of the league's best shooters during the season. Over the last 5 games he's making 3 threes a night
    What is he shooting tonight? Lol jk
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    Rashidi
    He has been much healthier than last season.
    First 14 games
    2017: 10 games played (71%), 22 MPG
    2018: 12 games played (85%), 29 MPG
    Embiid played 70 minutes over his last two games. He never topped 30 in any game last season. He has no lingering issues. The team is cautious but its not like last season when he might as well have been made of glass.

    I believe Sixers were not letting him play back to backs but I'm too lazy to search atm.
    Fairly decent on most of the updated attributes but man, 2k is trippin'. Westbrook down to a 92? What? Despite OKC's record right now he should not be lowered two overall points. Honestly it's beyond me how Westbrook didn't enter the game at a 95 to begin. We may NEVER see a player average a triple double in our life times! And PG13 isn't gonna get any love? He just dropped 42 and then 37 the very next game. Now let me get off my OKC horse and switch directions.
    Lonzo Ball went down? I'm not a BBB fan by any means of the imagination and damn sure not a LA Lakers fan but he is the youngest player to put up a triple double. Down three points seems pretty harsh if you ask me. Now, why Kyrie Irving isn't getting a boost is beyond me. Nobody even remembers his dramatic soap opera ending in Cleveland because everyone is amazed he's raised his game even more. Antetokounmpo is scary good so that seems on point.
    R4ngerR4y
    Fairly decent on most of the updated attributes but man, 2k is trippin'. Westbrook down to a 92? What? Despite OKC's record right now he should not be lowered two overall points. Honestly it's beyond me how Westbrook didn't enter the game at a 95 to begin. We may NEVER see a player average a triple double in our life times! And PG13 isn't gonna get any love? He just dropped 42 and then 37 the very next game. Now let me get off my OKC horse and switch directions.
    Lonzo Ball went down? I'm not a BBB fan by any means of the imagination and damn sure not a LA Lakers fan but he is the youngest player to put up a triple double. Down three points seems pretty harsh if you ask me. Now, why Kyrie Irving isn't getting a boost is beyond me. Nobody even remembers his dramatic soap opera ending in Cleveland because everyone is amazed he's raised his game even more. Antetokounmpo is scary good so that seems on point.

    Triple doubles should not really be considered at all when increasing/decreasing players attributes, Lonzo has shot the ball horribly, hence why he has gone down three points. I would probably agree that Westbrook down to a 92 is harsh, but its not because he averaged a triple double last season.
    jeebs9
    You see I knew you would be, as bias as possible on this haha jk. I totally agree with both your examples above! I saw the same stats the other day. I kind of think his rating should be in the mid 60's. To me he hasn't proved enough yet. When I first the overall rating boost. I thought they would of upgraded his inside shots. But improving a player who hasn't been taking jumpers like that. Makes no sense in my opinion. Shot chart below......

    I think he deserved a boost from what he was, just not to 75. Somewhere in the 60s would've sufficed.
    Rashidi
    Horford: 21.6 PER (32 mpg)
    Drummond: 22.8 PER (33 mpg)
    Griffin: 21.6 PER (35 mpg)
    Embiid: 25.1 PER (29 mpg)
    None of these guys are playing poorly and it takes a bit more than "IMO" for an argument to stand. Given that Embiid's last game doesn't matter since it came AFTER the update.
    Calling Embiid a better "All-Around" player than Horford is asinine since Horford plays two front-court positions, is a significantly better shooter, and is the best defensive player on the best defensive team.
    Assist/Turnover Ratio
    1.8 Horford (59 assists, 32 turnovers)
    1.6 Griffin (61 assists to 38 turnovers)
    1.2 Drummond (46 assists to 40 turnovers)
    0.8 Embiid (42 assists to 53 turnovers)
    Embiid might have a comparable Assist rate to Horford/Griffin but he has a LONG way to go to becoming the playmaker they are.
    Embiid should be rated higher than an 86 but don't act like these guys are dogs (and only one of these players is actually a center).

    Alright, I'll make my case for Embiid over Horford since you chose that route lol
    First off, since you're referencing PER, let's put it this way:
    Joel Embiid has the same PER as: Kevin Durant, DeMarcus Cousins
    Al Horford has the same PER as: Jordan Clarkson
    There's a significant differential in 3.5 PER - fun fact, Josh Smith has a 3.5 PER this year.
    To argue your Ast/TO ratio: Horford actually has a worse TO% than Embiid and his AST% is only 2% higher.
    Per 36 minute stats
    Embiid: 28.6 ppg 13.9 rpg 4.3 apg 1.2 spg 2.4 bpg
    Horford: 17.4 ppg 10.1 rpg 4.9 apg 0.7 spg 0.9 bpg
    I don't see how it's asinine to consider Embiid a better overall player than Horford?
    Scoring: I'd argue Embiid as a better all around scorer with his versatility in moves and ability to go 1 on 1 with anyone, Horford is just a better catch and shooter.
    Defense: I think Embiid is one of the better rim protectors in the league, I also think Horford is one of the better post on ball defenders in the league.
    Passing: I'd say it's tied, Horford currently gets more assists but his TO% is worse and their AST% is similar
    Rebounding: Embiid, although Horford has impressed defensively for this
    I'll put it this way:
    Assuming you swapped these players:
    Celtics would improve, 76ers would get worse
    9/10 people, for this season, would take Embiid over Horford to build a team around
    With the exception of open shots, which I would argue Embiid isn't in the right situation on the 76ers to even get open looks, Embiid is arguably better at every aspect of Horford's game.
    I simply don't understand how a player who is currently averaging:
    23 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.5 apg 1 spg 1.9 bpg
    is only an 86?
    For what it's worth, I believe Embiid can keep up these numbers. There's been (24) total times in NBA history that a player has maintained that current stat line over the course of an NBA season.
    Embiid, like Simmons, is a generational talent who is consistently dominating not only his opponents, but overall games. Horford has been a dominant defensive player, smart passer and consistent open scorer - they shouldn't be rated the same.
    To argue Embiid over Drummond:
    Embiid had a ridiculous 82 DRTG that game while guarding Drummond and had 30 points on 11-15 shooting, +21 in 28 minutes.
    Drummond is primarily known for his defense and rebounding, Embiid outplayed him in both aspects.
    Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going strictly off memory here, but I believe Embiid is currently the:
    8th ranked C, 11th ranked PF/C
    I believe he's a Top 3 C, behind Cousins and Towns
    and a Top 5-7 PF/C, behind Cousins, Towns, Davis and Porzingis (maybe Draymond for defensive/playmaking impact and Jokic because I love his overall game)
    R4ngerR4y
    Fairly decent on most of the updated attributes but man, 2k is trippin'. Westbrook down to a 92? What? Despite OKC's record right now he should not be lowered two overall points. Honestly it's beyond me how Westbrook didn't enter the game at a 95 to begin. We may NEVER see a player average a triple double in our life times! And PG13 isn't gonna get any love? He just dropped 42 and then 37 the very next game. Now let me get off my OKC horse and switch directions.
    Lonzo Ball went down? I'm not a BBB fan by any means of the imagination and damn sure not a LA Lakers fan but he is the youngest player to put up a triple double. Down three points seems pretty harsh if you ask me. Now, why Kyrie Irving isn't getting a boost is beyond me. Nobody even remembers his dramatic soap opera ending in Cleveland because everyone is amazed he's raised his game even more. Antetokounmpo is scary good so that seems on point.

    Guys, I gotta type a lot of words expressing my feelings about these players because I care so much! But not enough to check a stat sheet or present an actual argument.
    Rashidi
    Guys, I gotta type a lot of words expressing my feelings about these players because I care so much! But not enough to check a stat sheet or present an actual argument.

    That's not fair, I looked up some stats for Embiid if you look one post up lol
    garyraymond23
    That's not fair, I looked up some stats for Embiid if you look one post up lol

    Rashidi
    I did not quote you.

    I agree with Gary though. And it's weird when you don't responded to someone. Because it's totally OK to say. Yea man I guess your right. I know I'm human.. I do it all the time.
    garyraymond23
    First off, since you're referencing PER, let's put it this way:
    Al Horford has the same PER as: Jordan Clarkson

    Clarkson: 22 mpg, 0 starts on a 6-9 team
    Horford: 32 mpg, 14 starts on a 10-2 team
    You either don't comprehend the stats you are referencing, or you are blatantly cherry picking in an effort to increase the authenticity of your argument. You can't look in the mirror with a straight face and say Al Horford = Jordan Crawford, and you knew that when you posted it. Either way this does not incentivize me to continue with the rest of your post.
    TLDR Joel Embiid has the same PER as Enes Kanter
    Rashidi
    Clarkson: 22 mpg, 0 starts on a 6-9 team
    Horford: 32 mpg, 14 starts on a 10-2 team
    You either don't comprehend the stats you are referencing, or you are blatantly cherry picking in an effort to increase the authenticity of your argument. You can't look in the mirror with a straight face and say Al Horford = Jordan Crawford, and you knew that when you posted it. Either way this does not incentivize me to continue with the rest of your post.
    TLDR Joel Embiid has the same PER as Enes Kanter

    But Rashid..... I earlier made a joke about a players record and why it shouldn't have gone down. And now your using a player record with stats?..... That's a little backwards if you ask me.
    Rashidi
    I did not quote you.

    Oh the sass ..
    Rashidi
    Clarkson: 22 mpg, 0 starts on a 6-9 team
    Horford: 32 mpg, 14 starts on a 10-2 team
    You either don't comprehend the stats you are referencing, or you are blatantly cherry picking in an effort to increase the authenticity of your argument. You can't look in the mirror with a straight face and say Al Horford = Jordan Crawford, and you knew that when you posted it. Either way this does not incentivize me to continue with the rest of your post.
    TLDR Joel Embiid has the same PER as Enes Kanter

    You ask for a legitimate argument with statistical backup, then say TLDR lol what the hell
    And I referenced those specific players for PER because they are, literally, the closest to Embiid and the closest to Horford for players over 300+ minutes played (was trying to go for players that are playing over 20 mpg)
    You want a more "realistic" comparison to Horford?
    Kemba, Blake, Oladipo, Aaron Gordon
    Want more for Embiid?
    SAME EXACT PER as Towns, Durant, Cousins and a little better than Jokic.
    Better?
    jeebs9
    But Rashid..... I earlier made a joke about a players record and why it shouldn't have gone down. And now your using a player record with stats?..... That's a little backwards if you ask me.

    *Sighs*
    *Gives Jeb benefit of doubt*
    *Prepares for regret*
    *Checks three pages of post history*
    *Blinks*
    *Sees nothing*
    *Looks again*
    *Sighs*
    Are you actually using John Collins boost (from 73 OVR) as a reference point right now?
    I ****ing can't with this board.
    I regret everything
    Rashidi
    *Sighs*
    *Gives Jeb benefit of doubt*
    *Prepares for regret*
    *Checks three pages of post history*
    *Blinks*
    *Sees nothing*
    *Looks again*
    *Sighs*
    Are you actually using John Collins boost (from 73 OVR) as a reference point right now?
    I ****ing can't with this board.
    I regret everything

    You need a beer :cheers444 ...
    (and you need to update Embiid's overall :59: )
    garyraymond23
    You need a beer :cheers444 ...
    (and you need to update Embiid's overall :59: )
    Thank you
    This is not the way Rashidi. I think he has a valid argument. It's ok to be right or wrong here. But turning this into a argument with a 5 year old. With that last post makes no sense.
    Let's just agree to disagree I guess. See you in the next argument.
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    VAWereWolf65
    They need to add tertiary positions next year for guys like marcus smart, jayson tatum, Lebron, Ben simmons, etc.
    All of those guys play 3+ positions on a consistent basis

    agreed, they should do it the way PES does it where each position is listed with whether a player majority plays/ can play/ does not play
    Everybodies knows about the Greek Freak power, but I think he is letterally unstoppable in game.
    Jut drive (expecially lateral), push out the defender, and slam over the help defense.
    You can score 40/50 with him in easy mode, I try to share the ball with my teammates for real game stats, but this is unnatural.
    What do you think guys, is he overpowered?
    BluFu
    Also Beds, please stop dropping Lowry's ratings lol. He's been playing really well lately

    Wonder what he’ll be on the next update. A guy who shot .412 from 3 on 8 attempts last year is rated 80 from 3 cause he had a rough first 5-7 games.
    A few gripes I have with current roster:
    Lowry is shooting 36% from the 3 after shooting 41% last season, his 77 three is unfair. His dramatic decrease from 87 to 83 is really undeserved, he needs to be put back up to an 85-86.
    Delon Wright and OG Annunoby are rated too low. Wright needs defensive improvements as well as an increase in shot IQ, as he is shooting 52% fg despite struggling somewhat from three. OG has been a solid starter in place of Powell, his three (open and contested) is slightly low for a guy banging down 37% of them, his shot IQ at 69 is way too low too.
    Why does Myles Turner still have great post game? He doesn't play in the post at all! His post attributes (84, 88, 89), are currently better than Joel Embiid's (88, 79, 70) for reference. His three is going down and he can make them contested too, so at 55 his contested three probably can go up to 65+. Same with contested mid-range at 80.
    Why was Bojan Bogdanovic's three reduced in the last update? He's shooting 46% from three! All his three ratings, his open and contested especially need big bumps. I would put open up from 81 to 87-89 and contested up from 74 to 82.-84.
    I think Hassan Whiteside needs to be looked at. His hustle and all-around effort has been very poor this season. Shot contest at 98 is way too high, his reaction time at 95 is too high as well. His hustle at 90 is ludicrous, I would have it below 80 for sure. For reference, Whitesides hustle is 5 points higher than Pascal Siakham, a player known for his effort and energy.
    Damian Lillard's shot IQ at 98 is far too high. He has never shot over 45% in a season in his career, and is shooting a career low .409 from the field this season. We all know he can get hot and drain shots, so his three at 77 is too low, I think it should be around 80. His shot IQ is what holds him back. I would lower by 10+ to 85-88.
    Kemba Walker's ball control. Its only 88. He has one of the best handles in the league! 92-94 for me.
    Jaylen Brown, still tow low for me. He has developed incredibly from last season on the offensive end. Shooting over 45% from the field and just under 40% from 3. His shooting ratings are far too low. Especially the contested shots. He can now drain shots with a hand in his face as well as when open. Currently his contested 3 is 55 and mid-range is 64. Steal/pass perception at 64/67 is too low as well.
    TimmsSports
    A few gripes I have with current roster:
    Lowry is shooting 36% from the 3 after shooting 41% last season, his 77 three is unfair. His dramatic decrease from 87 to 83 is really undeserved, he needs to be put back up to an 85-86.
    Delon Wright and OG Annunoby are rated too low. Wright needs defensive improvements as well as an increase in shot IQ, as he is shooting 52% fg despite struggling somewhat from three. OG has been a solid starter in place of Powell, his three (open and contested) is slightly low for a guy banging down 37% of them, his shot IQ at 69 is way too low too.
    Why does Myles Turner still have great post game? He doesn't play in the post at all! His post attributes (84, 88, 89), are currently better than Joel Embiid's (88, 79, 70) for reference. His three is going down and he can make them contested too, so at 55 his contested three probably can go up to 65+. Same with contested mid-range at 80.
    Why was Bojan Bogdanovic's three reduced in the last update? He's shooting 46% from three! All his three ratings, his open and contested especially need big bumps. I would put open up from 81 to 87-89 and contested up from 74 to 82.-84.
    I think Hassan Whiteside needs to be looked at. His hustle and all-around effort has been very poor this season. Shot contest at 98 is way too high, his reaction time at 95 is too high as well. His hustle at 90 is ludicrous, I would have it below 80 for sure. For reference, Whitesides hustle is 5 points higher than Pascal Siakham, a player known for his effort and energy.
    Damian Lillard's shot IQ at 98 is far too high. He has never shot over 45% in a season in his career, and is shooting a career low .409 from the field this season. We all know he can get hot and drain shots, so his three at 77 is too low, I think it should be around 80. His shot IQ is what holds him back. I would lower by 10+ to 85-88.
    Kemba Walker's ball control. Its only 88. He has one of the best handles in the league! 92-94 for me.
    Jaylen Brown, still tow low for me. He has developed incredibly from last season on the offensive end. Shooting over 45% from the field and just under 40% from 3. His shooting ratings are far too low. Especially the contested shots. He can now drain shots with a hand in his face as well as when open. Currently his contested 3 is 55 and mid-range is 64. Steal/pass perception at 64/67 is too low as well.

    I agree with all of that. The biggest miss is Brown.I actually think Boston as a whole hasn't been rated right. They have won 15 straight. Have the best recorded in the league.
    I think it's funny you mentioned Joel and Turner. I don't think Joel has much of a post up game either. He like to face up a lot. But I agree Turner has no business with that rating
    Also so I made a few changes to the Nets 2001 myself to see if anything was over powering. And just to get a sense of why Martin and Kittles are rated so low. But they changes played out really well. Especially in terms of defense and running.
    TimmsSports
    Lowry is shooting 36% from the 3 after shooting 41% last season, his 77 three is unfair. His dramatic decrease from 87 to 83 is really undeserved, he needs to be put back up to an 85-86.

    Lowry wasn't playing well until about 10 days ago (and the roster update was 5 days ago). He'll go back up.
    Delon Wright and OG Annunoby are rated too low. Wright needs defensive improvements as well as an increase in shot IQ, as he is shooting 52% fg despite struggling somewhat from three. OG has been a solid starter in place of Powell, his three (open and contested) is slightly low for a guy banging down 37% of them, his shot IQ at 69 is way too low too.

    Wright has been underrated for awhile but he's also among the least durable players in the NBA, logging 68 games in three years, and he just injured his shoulder.
    OG's rating is probably fine given that his DRB (9.1%) is poor for a SF. Everything else is efficient so maybe he goes up a point.
    Why does Myles Turner still have great post game? He doesn't play in the post at all! His post attributes (84, 88, 89), are currently better than Joel Embiid's (88, 79, 70) for reference. His three is going down and he can make them contested too, so at 55 his contested three probably can go up to 65+. Same with contested mid-range at 80

    Post Frequency
    Embiid: 39.4% (0.96 PPP) - leads league in volume
    Turner: 15.6% (0.77 PPP)
    I agree that this is a big problem that 2K has historically had, they generally don't look at skill-specific attributes like Post Offense, they stick mostly to 3PT/FT ratings or rebound ratings because they prefer to just plug the numbers into Excel and be done with it.
    The reason why my ratings were significantly better than 2K's for a number of years is I gave the league-wide attention to detail that they're as-of-yet unwilling to provide.
    Turner Post Up Data
    2016: 21.9% Freq / 0.85 PPP (53rd percentile)
    2017: 9.7% Freq / 0.89 PPP (54th percentile)
    2018: 15.6% Freq / 0.77 PPP (30th percentile)
    Embiid Post Up Data
    2017: 32.2% Freq / 0.88 PPP (52nd percentile)
    2018: 39.4% Freq / 0.96 PPP (72nd percentile)
    Embiid leads the league in Post-Up volume, ahead of LaMarcus Aldridge. However, the PPP is an extremely volatile and small sample. Just going off last season it's clear that Embiid is the better post player (volume matters quite a bit here).
    Why was Bojan Bogdanovic's three reduced in the last update? He's shooting 46% from three! All his three ratings, his open and contested especially need big bumps. I would put open up from 81 to 87-89 and contested up from 74 to 82.-84.

    This one a bit strange but he was only 38.8% back on Nov 8.
    I think Hassan Whiteside needs to be looked at. His hustle and all-around effort has been very poor this season. Shot contest at 98 is way too high, his reaction time at 95 is too high as well. His hustle at 90 is ludicrous, I would have it below 80 for sure. For reference, Whitesides hustle is 5 points higher than Pascal Siakham, a player known for his effort and energy.

    IDK, Whiteside posts historic numbers every year and this one is no exception. He's leading the league with 40.3 DRB% which would be the highest total in NBA history.
    Single-Season DefReb%
    37.9% Reggie Evans (2013)
    37.8% Dennis Rodman (1995)
    36.7% Dennis Rodman (1993)
    36.2% Andre Drummond (2017)
    35.3% Hassan Whiteside (2017)
    This isn't to say he's anywhere comparable to Rodman in terms of effort level (size matters here) but I don't really have a problem with a 90 in what is ultimately a subjective rating.
    jeebs9
    I agree with all of that. The biggest miss is Brown.I actually think Boston as a whole hasn't been rated right. They have won 15 straight. Have the best recorded in the league.
    I think it's funny you mentioned Joel and Turner. I don't think Joel has much of a post up game either. He like to face up a lot. But I agree Turner has no business with that rating
    Also so I made a few changes to the Nets 2001 myself to see if anything was over powering. And just to get a sense of why Martin and Kittles are rated so low. But they changes played out really well. Especially in terms of defense and running.

    Boston as a whole is nothing like they are in real life. Their defense is laughable in 2K because they still underrate pretty much everyone's defense on that squad. Especially Jaylen's. I don't like most of the badges but since they're there, I think he deserves some defensive badges. He doesn't even have one badge.
    The plays they run in 2K are so different to what they run irl. Don't even get me started on that again.
    Rashidi
    Lowry wasn't playing well until about 10 days ago (and the roster update was 5 days ago). He'll go back up.
    Wright has been underrated for awhile but he's also among the least durable players in the NBA, logging 68 games in three years, and he just injured his shoulder.
    OG's rating is probably fine given that his DRB (9.1%) is poor for a SF. Everything else is efficient so maybe he goes up a point.
    Post Frequency
    Embiid: 39.4% (0.96 PPP) - leads league in volume
    Turner: 15.6% (0.77 PPP)
    I agree that this is a big problem that 2K has historically had, they generally don't look at skill-specific attributes like Post Offense, they stick mostly to 3PT/FT ratings or rebound ratings because they prefer to just plug the numbers into Excel and be done with it.
    The reason why my ratings were significantly better than 2K's for a number of years is I gave the league-wide attention to detail that they're as-of-yet unwilling to provide.
    Turner Post Up Data
    2016: 21.9% Freq / 0.85 PPP (53rd percentile)
    2017: 9.7% Freq / 0.89 PPP (54th percentile)
    2018: 15.6% Freq / 0.77 PPP (30th percentile)
    Embiid Post Up Data
    2017: 32.2% Freq / 0.88 PPP (52nd percentile)
    2018: 39.4% Freq / 0.96 PPP (72nd percentile)
    Embiid leads the league in Post-Up volume, ahead of LaMarcus Aldridge. However, the PPP is an extremely volatile and small sample. Just going off last season it's clear that Embiid is the better post player (volume matters quite a bit here).
    This one a bit strange but he was only 38.8% back on Nov 8.
    IDK, Whiteside posts historic numbers every year and this one is no exception. He's leading the league with 40.3 DRB% which would be the highest total in NBA history.
    Single-Season DefReb%
    37.9% Reggie Evans (2013)
    37.8% Dennis Rodman (1995)
    36.7% Dennis Rodman (1993)
    36.2% Andre Drummond (2017)
    35.3% Hassan Whiteside (2017)
    This isn't to say he's anywhere comparable to Rodman in terms of effort level (size matters here) but I don't really have a problem with a 90 in what is ultimately a subjective rating.

    I think Whiteside is lazy at times, although he remains a very good defensive rebounder. He would never throw himself at a lose ball if he though there was a chance of a big collision in my opinion. The heat announcers have commented on this numerous times this season.
    Yeah, I noticed no post attributes were changed at all in the first few updates.
    On Wright's undurability, there are attributes for that and it shouldn't affect his in-game attributes at all right?
    jeebs9
    I agree with all of that. The biggest miss is Brown.I actually think Boston as a whole hasn't been rated right. They have won 15 straight. Have the best recorded in the league.
    I think it's funny you mentioned Joel and Turner. I don't think Joel has much of a post up game either. He like to face up a lot. But I agree Turner has no business with that rating
    Also so I made a few changes to the Nets 2001 myself to see if anything was over powering. And just to get a sense of why Martin and Kittles are rated so low. But they changes played out really well. Especially in terms of defense and running.

    Joel doesn't do many crazy fadeaways from the post but they post him down low often. His post control and footwork is exceptional as we saw in L.A. the other night when he shook Randle. The fact Turner's is higher than Joel's is crazy.
    One other point I noticed, Cody Zeller is averaging 5.0 offensive rebounds per 36 and 7.0 defensive per 36. Currently his rebounding ratings are in the high 60s - low 70s.
    TimmsSports
    One other point I noticed, Cody Zeller is averaging 5.0 offensive rebounds per 36 and 7.0 defensive per 36. Currently his rebounding ratings are in the high 60s - low 70s.

    Nice catch!
    TimmsSports

    I think Hassan Whiteside needs to be looked at. His hustle and all-around effort has been very poor this season. Shot contest at 98 is way too high, his reaction time at 95 is too high as well. His hustle at 90 is ludicrous, I would have it below 80 for sure. For reference, Whitesides hustle is 5 points higher than Pascal Siakham, a player known for his effort and energy.

    Man speaking of Siakam, he needs a big bump in his athleticism. He's one of the fastest big men in the league.
    BluFu
    Man speaking of Siakam, he needs a big bump in his athleticism. He's one of the fastest big men in the league.

    I think in general some of the Raps bench has been underrated. Guys already mentioned like Delon, OG and Pascal are underrated in at least one area, I can't re-call Vanvleets exact rating but I remember thinking they were harsh to him too?
    Raps bench is currently 2nd in Off. Rating and 3rd in Def. Rating. ;)
    A few more whilst I'm at it:
    Clint Capela's shot IQ at 78 is too low? As we know he's having a fantastic season, over 68% from the field. He will never get close to such numbers with such a low shot IQ. 85+ for sure.
    Brandon Ingram's 79 open 3 is too soon. He's still shooting under 31% from 3 on the season, his shot from deep is still very much in development. Hesitates to take it even when he's open.
    Will Hernangomez should not be 2 rating's above Kyle O'Quinn. O'Quinn has exceptionally well-rounded numbers, 2.5+ blocks, 1+ steals, 4 off and 9.5 def rebounds, 4.5+ assists (all per 36) and is shooting well from both free throw line and field. Hernangomez can't get any minutes that aren't garbage time..
    Rodney Hood is averaging 22.6 points per 36 and is shooting almost 42% from 3 on the season. Stepping up in Hayward's absence after a slightly shaky start. Offensive consistency at 60 up to 70-75?
    Time for Chandler Parsons to have his second bump in 3? Currently has 83 for both open and contested, shooting an exceptional .515 from 3 as of today.
    Perhaps Covington'scontested 3's need a boost too? (currently 82) He happily pulls with someone in his face like they aren't there, should be much closer to his open 3 rating (91). Can't find any stats related to contested 3s
    Thabo Sefolosha shot IQ 70? He's averaging just under 50% from the field and 43.3% on 3's, he rarely takes poor shots. Also, 76 open three slightly too low, (expecting 3 to come down).
    TimmsSports
    A few more whilst I'm at it:
    Clint Capela's shot IQ at 78 is too low? As we know he's having a fantastic season, over 68% from the field. He will never get close to such numbers with such a low shot IQ. 85+ for sure.
    Brandon Ingram's 79 open 3 is too soon. He's still shooting under 31% from 3 on the season, his shot from deep is still very much in development. Hesitates to take it even when he's open.
    Will Hernangomez should not be 2 rating's above Kyle O'Quinn. O'Quinn has exceptionally well-rounded numbers, 2.5+ blocks, 1+ steals, 4 off and 9.5 def rebounds, 4.5+ assists (all per 36) and is shooting well from both free throw line and field. Hernangomez can't get any minutes that aren't garbage time..
    Rodney Hood is averaging 22.6 points per 36 and is shooting almost 42% from 3 on the season. Stepping up in Hayward's absence after a slightly shaky start. Offensive consistency at 60 up to 70-75?
    Time for Chandler Parsons to have his second bump in 3? Currently has 83 for both open and contested, shooting an exceptional .515 from 3 as of today.
    Perhaps Covington'scontested 3's need a boost too? (currently 82) He happily pulls with someone in his face like they aren't there, should be much closer to his open 3 rating (91). Can't find any stats related to contested 3s
    Thabo Sefolosha shot IQ 70? He's averaging just under 50% from the field and 43.3% on 3's, he rarely takes poor shots. Also, 76 open three slightly too low, (expecting 3 to come down).

    I have a question for everyone. You how I bring up the subject of a player ratings going up and down. How the hell do you rate a player that's not getting minutes? Lol (Willy in this situation)
    And doesn't Covington need a defense boost or something. His contested 3's are super low.
    While we are on the Rockets. Does anyone see them as offensive crazy? Feel as though your limited with them. I have no clue if this is a game design problem or roster.
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    TimmsSports
    Clint Capela's shot IQ at 78 is too low? As we know he's having a fantastic season, over 68% from the field. He will never get close to such numbers with such a low shot IQ. 85+ for sure.

    Capela = 79 by formula.
    Brandon Ingram's 79 open 3 is too soon. He's still shooting under 31% from 3 on the season, his shot from deep is still very much in development. Hesitates to take it even when he's open.

    To your point, Ingram is 1-8 on threes in his last 8 games. Players who wear Laker jerseys will always be overrated in 2K, that's just how it is.
    Will Hernangomez should not be 2 rating's above Kyle O'Quinn. O'Quinn has exceptionally well-rounded numbers, 2.5+ blocks, 1+ steals, 4 off and 9.5 def rebounds, 4.5+ assists (all per 36) and is shooting well from both free throw line and field. Hernangomez can't get any minutes that aren't garbage time..

    The issue is mostly that O'Quinn is massively underrated (and has been for three years).
    Rodney Hood is averaging 22.6 points per 36 and is shooting almost 42% from 3 on the season. Stepping up in Hayward's absence after a slightly shaky start. Offensive consistency at 60 up to 70-75?

    The only thing Hood has really improved is his Usage rate (to be expected with Hayward gone). He's shooting more like he did in 2016 though, so a 10 point boost is justified.
    Time for Chandler Parsons to have his second bump in 3? Currently has 83 for both open and contested, shooting an exceptional .515 from 3 as of today.

    Parsons was 41% in 2016 and a revert is surely justified (since last year's 27% clearly an injury-addled outlier)
    Perhaps Covington's contested 3's need a boost too? (currently 82) He happily pulls with someone in his face like they aren't there, should be much closer to his open 3 rating (91). Can't find any stats related to contested 3s

    Covington is assisted on 72% of his shots (97% of his threes) which indicates he isn't really contested on most of his shots.
    Thabo Sefolosha shot IQ 70? He's averaging just under 50% from the field and 43.3% on 3's, he rarely takes poor shots. Also, 76 open three slightly too low, (expecting 3 to come down).

    Sefolosha = 64 by formula.
    This is his career year by far (at age 33), which probably means his numbers will decline as sample gets larger (but if they don't, he's certainly worthy of significant boosts).
    Rashidi

    Covington is assisted on 72% of his shots (97% of his threes) which indicates he isn't really contested on most of his shots.

    That's not true though. I've watched alot of Sixers games this year, and he takes and makes A LOT of contested threes. He's just so tall and long, that he just shoots over defenders. It's actually ridiculous how good he is at nailing contested long range jumpers.
    I am sorry rashidi but assisted shots do not mean wide open shots. Assisted shot could be as smothered as non-assisted shot.
    He is shooting 50% on threes where he was 'tightly' guarded - 2-4 feet from defender on 1.4 attempts per game.
    But he's shooting42.5% on threes where he was wide open - 8+ ft from defender on 2.5 attemtps.
    8KB24
    I am sorry rashidi but assisted shots do not mean wide open shots. Assisted shot could be as smothered as non-assisted shot.

    Sorry but that's exactly what Assisted shots are. Spot-Up shots are generally going to be open shots given that they are a product of ball movement. Hence why spot-ups are the least blocked of any shot type.
    Sure, they can be defended well, but let's not pretend Covington is Reggie Miller or Ray Allen here.

    Watching Covington's highlights he is not contested very often. Feel free to compare this to tape of Kristaps Porzingis in case you are confused as to what "contested" means.
    He is shooting 50% on threes where he was 'tightly' guarded - 2-4 feet from defender on 1.4 attempts per game.
    But he's shooting42.5% on threes where he was wide open - 8+ ft from defender on 2.5 attemtps.

    Hey whaddya know, a small sample outlier!
    But assisted shots are not exclusively open shots. Go to nba.com and check his percentages. Would've guessed you do that you instead you use flawed logic.
    Assisted shot could be wide open shot or smothered shot..it just means that player passing to him got an assist for it.
    8KB24
    But assisted shots are not exclusively open shots. Go to nba.com and check his percentages. Would've guessed you do that you instead you use flawed logic.
    Assisted shot could be wide open shot or smothered shot..it just means that player passing to him got an assist for it.

    More like it's just as flawed to SOLELY use small sample shooting percentages to dictate "Contested" ratings.
    3PT w/ "Tight" (2-4 ft) defense
    James Harden: 12-47 (25%)
    Stephen Curry: 8-31 (25%)
    Kevin Durant: 11-29 (38%)
    Allan Crabbe: 12-24 (50%)
    Robert Covington: 11-22 (50%)
    Damian Lillard: 3-19 (16%)
    Paul George: 2-19 (11%)
    WOMG looks like Covington and Allan Crabbe need mega boosts and everybody else gotta get tanked, Steph Curry like a 60 Contested 3pt TBQH, Lillard like a 50 TBQH
    (BTW, wanna guess which of the above players are Spot-Up shooters?)
    Covington "Tight 3pt"
    2014: 1-2 (50%)
    2015: 42-124 (34%)
    2016: 52-148 (35%)
    2017: 30-100 (30%)
    2018: 11-22 (50%)
    Career: 136-396 (34%)
    Pardon my skepticism on literally 5% of his career sample.
    If Covington so much as misses his next 5 shots he drops all the way to 40%. 20 shots ain't production to hang hats on.
    Never said that. Please do not put words into my mouth to disprove what I actually said.
    For my personal roster I actually use last three seasons to judge a player. RoCo is actually 30% last year on 1.5 attempts and year before that on 35% from three on 2.2 attempts on tight coverage from three.
    So he definitely is at least average 3pt shoter when tightly guarded. But the truth is that RoCo should have slightly higher contested 3pt rating than Harden (NOT talkin about any other ratings). For example. But lower than, for example, Lillard. Because of track record. It's the other side of spectrum how they got their 3pts off but we have OTHER attributes and tendencies for that.
    You think Kris Dunn Dunking can get updated ? It’s current at a 55 and has a 35 contact dunk. Also think his hustle could go up some , dude is tenacious . Also his defensive consistency is a 65. DPBM on the season is 2.3 so far , DRating 102 . Pick Pocket badge maybe upped to a silver or gold , he’s 2nd in the nba in steals with 2.1 per. Also Pick Dodger upped to silver and his intangibles could prob get a lil raised it’s like a 45 which is the lowest in the team by a good deal .
    https://twitter.com/nbauk/status/932571749689856001
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    Dunn Poster
    https://twitter.com/nts_us/status/926603725782880256
    8KB24

    So he definitely is at least average 3pt shoter when tightly guarded.

    Funny you should say that
    Covington "Tightly Guarded" 3PT (0-2 ft)
    2014: 0-0 (NA)
    2015: 3-10 (30%)
    2016: 1-5 (20%)
    2017: 0-7 (0%)
    2018: 0-1 (0%)
    5-year Career: 4-23 (17%)
    Damian Lillard Tightly Guarded
    2014: 3-14 (21%)
    2015: 4-23 (17%)
    2016: 11-28 (39%)
    2017: 13-31(42%)
    2018: 2-8 (25%)
    5-year Career: 33-104 (32%)
    But the truth is that RoCo should have slightly higher contested 3pt rating than Harden

    Harden Tightly Guarded
    2014: 2-9 (22%)
    2015: 2-8 (25%)
    2016: 7-22 (32%)
    2017: 11-36 (31%)
    2018: 0-1 (0%)
    5-year Career: 22-76 (29%)
    Oh?
    Updating some previously written blurbs
    Atlanta Hawks (26th Overall, 24th Offense, 26th Defense)
    STARTERS
    77/C DeWayne Dedmon (16.5 PER)
    72/PF Luke Babbitt (11.6 PER) - UNDERRATED
    75/SF Taurean Prince (12.4 PER)
    77/SG Kent Bazemore (15.1 PER)
    81/PG Dennis Schroder (18.8 PER)
    BENCH
    77/SG Marco Belinelli (14.1 PER)
    77/PF John Collins (20.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    72/PG Malcolm Delaney (8.2 PER)
    73/C Mike Muscala (10.8 PER)
    74/PF Ersan Ilyasova
    67/SG Tyler Dorsey
    65/PF Tyler Cavanaugh
    67/PG Josh Magette
    68/SF Nicolas Brussino
    RESERVE
    72/PG Isaiah Taylor (13.3 PER) - UNDERRATED - ETA December
    69/SG DeAndre Bembry - ETA December
    70/C Miles Plumlee - Out Indefinitely
    POSITION CHANGE
    PF/SF Luke Babbitt
    SG/SF Kent Bazemore
    C/PF Mike Muscala
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Collins is 5th in the NBA in ORB rate (15.9%). He's ranks 3rd in Win Shares in his draft class (Tatum, Kuzma, ahead of Markkanen).
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    Boston Celtics (4th Overall, 18th Offense, 1st Defense)
    STARTERS
    86/C Al Horford (19.2 PER)
    77/PF Marcus Morris (17.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    80/SF Jayson Tatum (17.0 PER)
    78/SG Jaylen Brown (15.4 PER)
    90/PG Kyrie Irving (25.0 PER)
    BENCH
    80/SG Marcus Smart (9.5 PER) - OVERRATED
    76/PG Terry Rozier (12.2 PER)
    76/C Aron Baynes (12.3 PER)
    72/C Daniel Theis (13.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    70/PF Semi Ojeleye (5.3 PER)
    71/PG Shane Larkin (5.2 PER)
    68/SF Abdel Nader
    70/C Guerschon Yabusele
    RESERVE
    67/SG Jabari Bird
    68/SG Kadeem Allen
    88/SF Gordon Hayward (OUT FOR SEASON)
    POSITION CHANGE
    PF/C Al Horford
    SG/SF Jaylen Brown
    SG/PG Marcus Smart
    C/PF Daniel Theis
    C/PF Guerschon Yabusele
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Smart's dismal shooting (39.5 TS%, 26.7 FG%) singlehandedly drags down Boston's offensive rating.
    2. Theis (60 TS%, 13 ORB%, 23 DRB%, 5.3 BLK%) has been adequate backup center.
    3. Kyrie is averaging 29.5 PPG (54 FG%, 57 3PT%) since donning a mask.
    4. Baynes is 2-12 from the field since heading back to the bench.
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    Cleveland Cavaliers (16th Overall, 4th Offense, 30th Defense)
    STARTERS
    87/C Kevin Love (23.5 PER)
    97/PF LeBron James (29.9 PER)
    77/SF Jae Crowder (9.5 PER) - OVERRATED
    73/SG J.R. Smith (6.7 PER)
    73/PG Iman Shumpert (7.1 PER)
    BENCH
    77/PG Dwyane Wade (14.8 PER)
    77/SF Kyle Korver (17.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    77/PF Jeff Green (16.7 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/C Channing Frye (14.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    71/PG Jose Calderon
    71/SF Cedi Osman
    71/C Ante Zizic
    67/SG John Holland
    RESERVE
    66/PG London Perrantes
    77/PG Derrick Rose (12.1 PER) - OVERRATED - ETA November
    76/C Tristan Thompson (9.9 PER) - ETA December
    89/PG Isaiah Thomas - ETA January
    POSITION CHANGE
    PF/SF LeBron James
    C/PF Kevin Love
    PG/SG Dwyane Wade
    PF/C Jeff Green
    SF/SG Kyle Korver
    C Channing Frye
    C Ante Zizic
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Don't look now but the Cavs have won 5 in a row. mostly behind the performances of LeBron and Love
    2. The last time LeBron (career high 2.7 BLK%) could be considered a PF was next to Shane Battier in Miami (who has a similar makeup to Crowder). LeBron has a 66 TS% right now - during the "PF years" in Miami he had 64 and 65 TS%.
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    New York Knicks (12th Overall, 8th Offense, 19th Defense)
    STARTERS
    82/C Enes Kanter (24.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    91/PF Kristaps Porzingis (26.0 PER)
    79/SF Tim Hardaway Jr (16.2 PER)
    75/SG Courtney Lee (12.8 PER)
    73/PG Jarrett Jack (10.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    73/SF Doug McDermott (12.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    75/PG Frank Ntilikina (7.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    75/C Kyle O'Quinn (18.4 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/PF Michael Beasley (11.9 PER)
    70/PF Lance Thomas (5.8 PER)
    72/PG Ramon Sessions
    77/C Willy Hernangomez - OVERRATED
    69/SG Damyean Dotson
    RESERVE
    74/C Joakim Noah
    69/PG Ron Baker
    66/PF Isaiah Hicks
    65/C Luke Kornet
    POSITION CHANGE
    SF/SG Tim Hardaway Jr
    PF/SF Lance Thomas
    PG/SG Ron Baker
    C/PF Luke Kornet
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Kanter ranks 10th in PER (24.9 - 3rd among centers), 2nd in ORB% (17.6, behind Andre Drummond), and 5th in TS% (67.2, a tick behind Clint Capela and Steven Adams). He has been out of this world and compliments Porzingis very well.
    2. O'Quinn has been underrated for three years now (19.2 PER as a Knick). Rebounding, rim protection, interior scoring, and above average passing are reasons why he's legitimately ahead of Hernangomez on the depth chart.
    3. Ntilikina is a good young defender but he's simply not an NBA player on the offensive end and probably won't be for awhile. Since his "breakout" 10-point game he's shooting 30% and turns the ball over way too much for a player who doesn't create his own shot.
    Harden when defender 0-2 ft this season is 0 makes on 0.1 attempts.
    Last year 0.1 makes on 0.4 3PA. So don't know what stats are you looking at because those are not stats for tight (2-4 ft) defending.



    Rashidi
    Funny you should say that
    Covington "Tightly Guarded" 3PT (0-2 ft)
    2014: 0-0 (NA)
    2015: 3-10 (30%)
    2016: 1-5 (20%)
    2017: 0-7 (0%)
    2018: 0-1 (0%)
    5-year Career: 4-23 (17%)
    Damian Lillard Tightly Guarded
    2014: 3-14 (21%)
    2015: 4-23 (17%)
    2016: 11-28 (39%)
    2017: 13-31(42%)
    2018: 2-8 (25%)
    5-year Career: 33-104 (32%)
    Harden Tightly Guarded
    2014: 2-9 (22%)
    2015: 2-8 (25%)
    2016: 7-22 (32%)
    2017: 11-36 (31%)
    2018: 0-1 (0%)
    5-year Career: 22-76 (29%)
    Oh?

    Don't change RoCo's contested 3s, they're where they should be at, I wouldn't even argue this one.
    FWIW, as a die hard 76ers fan who watches almost every game, RoCo hardly ever takes contested 3s.
    8KB24
    Harden when defender 0-2 ft this season is 0 makes on 0.1 attempts.
    Last year 0.1 makes on 0.4 3PA. So don't know what stats are you looking at because those are not stats for tight (2-4 ft) defending.

    Typo; 0-2 Feet = Very Tight
    A defender 4 feet away isn't exactly what I'd base the "Contested" rating on, after all.
    Philadelphia 76ers (9th Overall, 20th Offense, 12th Defense)
    STARTERS
    86/C Joel Embiid (23.6 PER) - UNDERRATED
    77/PF Dario Saric (9.2 PER) - OVERRATED
    81/SF Robert Covington (17.9 PER)
    78/SG J.J. Redick (13.4 PER)
    84/PG Ben Simmons (21.4 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    75/PG T.J. McConnell (12.0 PER)
    74/SG Jerryd Bayless (9.4 PER)
    75/C Amir Johnson (14.1 PER)
    72/SF Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (8.1 PER)
    76/C Richuan Holmes
    73/SG Nik Stauskas
    73/C Jahlil Okafor
    70/SG Furkan Korkmaz
    RESERVE
    69/PF James Michael McAdoo
    67/PG Jacob Pullen
    73/SF Justin Anderson (9.7 PER) - ETA December
    77/PG Markelle Fultz - ETA December
    POSITION CHANGE
    PG/PF Ben Simmons
    SG/PG Jerryd Bayless
    C Amir Johnson
    C Richuan Holmes
    SG/PG Markelle Fultz
    SF/SG Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Saric is shooting only 38% from the field despite a much smaller usage rate than last season.
    2. The Sixers are 8-3 when Saric starts (i.e. Simmons at PG). They are 1-4 when he doesn't.
    3. If we classify Simmons as a PG he's the best rebounding PG in NBA history.
    2018 Ben Simmons: 6.9 ORB% / 20.3 DRB%
    *1982 Magic Johnson: 9.5 ORB% / 17.5 DRB%
    2007 Jason Kidd: 5.5 ORB% / 20.8 DRB%
    2017 Rajon Rondo: 4.2 ORB% / 16.6 DRB%
    *Magic was technically not a PG in his early career. He started next to Norm Nixon and as a result posted elevated rebounds and deflated assists relative to the rest of his career. There's a parallel with Simmons here who spends a lot of court time next to T.J. McConnell.
    garyraymond23
    Don't change RoCo's contested 3s, they're where they should be at, I wouldn't even argue this one.
    FWIW, as a die hard 76ers fan who watches almost every game, RoCo hardly ever takes contested 3s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WGNWOSGzU
    How many after 1:00 would you consider contested?
    Not saying he chucks up loads of contested threes but he can definitely make them with a hand in his face.
    Rashidi
    86/C Joel Embiid (23.6 PER) - UNDERRATED
    84/PG Ben Simmons (21.4 PER) - UNDERRATED
    2. The Sixers are 8-3 when Saric starts (i.e. Simmons at PG). They are 1-4 when he doesn't.
    3. If we classify Simmons as a PG he's the best rebounding PG in NBA history.

    Joel Embiid, underrated? Say it louder for the people in the back. Simmons too.
    Saric has been OK this year, nothing amazing, nothing horrific, just mediocrity.
    TimmsSports
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WGNWOSGzU
    How many after 1:00 would you consider contested?
    Not saying he chucks up loads of contested threes but he can definitely make them with a hand in his face.

    0.
    Toronto Raptors (3rd Overall, 3rd Offense, 11th Defense)
    STARTERS
    80/C Jonas Valanciunas (18.5 PER)
    80/PF Serge Ibaka (14.7 PER) - OVERRATED
    89/SF DeMar DeRozan (23.6 PER)
    74/SG Norman Powell (11.5 PER)
    83/PG Kyle Lowry (18.0 PER)
    BENCH
    75/PF Pascal Siakam (16.4 PER) - UNDERRATED
    72/SF OG Anunoby (13.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    75/SG C.J. Miles (15.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/C Jakob Poetl (20.4 PER)
    69/PG Fred VanVleet (11.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/C Lucas Nogueira (18.8 PER)
    68/SF Alfonzo McKinnie
    67/SF Bruno Caboclo
    RESERVE
    67/SG Lorenzo Brown
    67/SF Malcolm Miller
    72/SG Delon Wright (15.2 PER) - UNDERRATED
    POSITION CHANGE
    SF/SG DeMar DeRozan
    SG/PG Delon Wright
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Ibaka is logging a career low 2.8 ORB% (it's not close). This is partly because 51% of his shots are threes, shattering last season's mark of 32% (which likewise shattered 22% the previous season). He is also recording a career low 3.3 BLK%, continuing a 6-year downward trend since his historic 9.8 BLK% in 2012.
    2. Wright is the team's sixth man (bench leading 21 mpg). He has been underrated by 2K for three years, given his career 15.7 PER over that stretch.
    3. Siakam significantly increase his 2PT FG% (70% from 51% last season) and quadrupled his assist rate (11.6% from 2.9%). Much better offensive player than last year.
    4. OG is a solid shooter and defender, which is what most teams want out of their modern forward.
    5. CJ is shooting 41% from three his last two seasons but he also has a career high 2.0 BLK% to his credit. Bench gunners usually don't double as solid defenders.
    6. Poetl is recording 64 TS%, 18 ORB%, and 6.0 BLK% which is a marked improvement from last season (59 TS%, 14 ORB%, 2.8 BLK%)
    7. VanVleet isn't great (shooting 35% for his career) but he IS in the rotation for a 2nd place team. He's an above average defender despite his lack of size or athleticism.
    Detroit Pistons (11th Overall, 10th Offense, 15th Defense)
    STARTERS
    88/C Andre Drummond (22.0 PER)
    82/PF Tobias Harris (18.4 PER)
    74/SF Stanley Johnson (7.8 PER)
    84/SG Avery Bradley (14.4 PER) - OVERRATED
    81/PG Reggie Jackson (19.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    76/PG Ish Smith (16.5 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/PF Anthony Tolliver (15.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/SG Langston Galloway (15.6 PER)
    71/SG Luke Kennard (10.0 PER)
    70/SF Reggie Bullock (7.2 PER)
    67/C Eric Moreland (10.5 PER) - UNDERRATED
    71/C Henry Ellenson
    74/C Boban Marjanovic
    RESERVE
    74/PF Jon Leuer (9.0 PER) - OUT INDEFINITELY
    65/SG Luis Montero
    65/PG Dwight Buycks
    POSITION CHANGE
    PF Tobias Harris
    C/PF Eric Moreland
    C/PF Henry Ellenson
    SG/SF Luis Montero
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Bradley had a career year in rebounding last season (16.1 DRB%) because he saw a ton of time at SF (and also because the Celtics sucked at rebounding). He is back to his typically below average rate (8.7 DRB% - his career rate is 9.5%)
    2. Jackson is right back to where he was before his 2017 knee injury, except he's shooting it more efficiently than ever (38 3PT% and 90 FT% compared to 35 3PT% and 86 FT% in 2016).
    3. Ish Smith is shooting 50% from the field, which is pretty unheard of for a guy who shot 39% from 2011 to 2015.
    4. Moreland is very much an NBA player with 11 ORB%, 24 DRB%, and 6.5 BLK%. His 47 TS% could certainly use some work but it's clear he's no G-Leaguer.
    Chicago Bulls (28th Overall, 29th Offense, 17th Defense)
    STARTERS
    78/C Robin Lopez (14.8 PER)
    77/PF Lauri Markkanen (16.6 PER)
    75/SF Denzel Valentine (12.5 PER)
    73/SG Justin Holiday (11.3 PER)
    73/PG Kris Dunn (12.4 PER)
    BENCH
    78/PF Bobby Portis (21.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    74/PG Jerian Grant (12.4 PER)
    71/C Cristiano Felicio (10.0 PER)
    71/SF Paul Zipser (2.5 PER) - OVERRATED
    74/SG David Nwaba (15.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/SF Quincy Pondexter (7.3 PER) - OVERRATED
    69/PG Kay Felder (2.3 PER)
    67/SG Antonio Blackeney
    RESERVE
    67/PG Ryan Arcidiacono
    76/PF Nikola Mirotic - ETA December
    80/SG Zach LaVine - ETA December
    71/PG Cameron Payne - ETA January
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Portis looks like the best player on the Bulls. Shooting/passing better than last season on much higher Usage rate (26% from 19%).
    2. Zipser's career line: 6.1 PER, 47 TS% on 15 USG%. Just not an NBA player on offense.
    3. Nwaba following up on last season's promise. Good shooter, great rebounder and defender. Career marks: 61 TS%, 4 ORB%, 17 DRB%, 1.9 BLK% as a 6'4" Shooting Guard.
    4. Pondexter is healthy for the first time in 3 years but that predictably means he isn't good anymore.
    8KB24
    But assisted shots are not exclusively open shots. Go to nba.com and check his percentages. Would've guessed you do that you instead you use flawed logic.
    Assisted shot could be wide open shot or smothered shot..it just means that player passing to him got an assist for it.

    Does this rashidi guy work for 2k?
    He should for the best roster ever. I’m wondering if the actual roster makers considering all the detailed stats that Rashid post here...
    He uses a flawed stat - PER for determining player's overall rating. While rating should not be compared imo, but individual ratings and tendencies.
    Rashidi
    Chicago Bulls (28th Overall, 29th Offense, 17th Defense)
    STARTERS
    78/C Robin Lopez (14.8 PER)
    77/PF Lauri Markkanen (16.6 PER)
    75/SF Denzel Valentine (12.5 PER)
    73/SG Justin Holiday (11.3 PER)
    73/PG Kris Dunn (12.4 PER)
    BENCH
    78/PF Bobby Portis (21.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    74/PG Jerian Grant (12.4 PER)
    71/C Cristiano Felicio (10.0 PER)
    71/SF Paul Zipser (2.5 PER) - OVERRATED
    74/SG David Nwaba (15.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/SF Quincy Pondexter (7.3 PER) - OVERRATED
    69/PG Kay Felder (2.3 PER)
    67/SG Antonio Blackeney
    RESERVE
    67/PG Ryan Arcidiacono
    76/PF Nikola Mirotic - ETA December
    80/SG Zach LaVine - ETA December
    71/PG Cameron Payne - ETA January
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Portis looks like the best player on the Bulls. Shooting/passing better than last season on much higher Usage rate (26% from 19%).
    2. Zipser's career line: 6.1 PER, 47 TS% on 15 USG%. Just not an NBA player on offense.
    3. Nwaba following up on last season's promise. Good shooter, great rebounder and defender. Career marks: 61 TS%, 4 ORB%, 17 DRB%, 1.9 BLK% as a 6'4" Shooting Guard.
    4. Pondexter is healthy for the first time in 3 years but that predictably means he isn't good anymore.

    Great insight mate. Enjoying these!
    8KB24
    He uses a flawed stat - PER for determining player's overall rating. While rating should not be compared imo, but individual ratings and tendencies.

    It's almost as if statistics make up a player's OVR just as they do PER...
    Given that I have FOURTEEN years experience editing 2K's ratings and most attribute formulas are ingrained in my memory, it would be pretty natural for me to have an understanding of which players are over/underrated.
    They do..but different thing make up OVR rather than PER. So...flawed. Does not include defense nor things like athleticism, consistency and clutch ability which GREATLY changes OVR rating.
    Rashidi's "analysis" is terrible. PER is an incredibly flawed stat. Guys like Bradley, Iguodala, Gary Harris, etc. prove this.
    He thinks Bradley is overrated because of his 14 PER yet he's the engine that got Detroit going. He's arguably their most important player.
    Rashidi
    It's almost as if statistics make up a player's OVR just as they do PER...
    Given that I have FOURTEEN years experience editing 2K's ratings and most attribute formulas are ingrained in my memory, it would be pretty natural for me to have an understanding of which players are over/underrated.
    Rashid it's your biggest weakness when it comes this stuff. You don't think anyone opinion is good. You've been like that for years. I don't think I've ever seen you say. "Yup, you're right". Or agree to disagree and move on.
    I heard the other day why Ben Simmons med range got a boost.
    In real life Simmons is shooting 42% from the distance that Mid Range shots are considered in game on 24 attempts. He's actually only behind Embiid and Redick in attempts from that range on the Sixers.
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
    Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
    DreamAgain
    Rashidi's "analysis" is terrible. PER is an incredibly flawed stat. Guys like Bradley, Iguodala, Gary Harris, etc. prove this.
    He thinks Bradley is overrated because of his 14 PER yet he's the engine that got Detroit going. He's arguably their most important player.

    I factor in defense. Bradley isn't as good on that end as you think. It's not a coincidence the Celtics went from 13th to 1st defensively since parting ways. Detroit on the other hand slipped from 8th to 14th.
    Bradley is a better player than KCP but he is far from the only reason behind Detroit's resurgence. It's the improved play of Drummond, Harris, and especially Reggie Jackson.
    Jackson
    2016: 19.6 PER
    2017: 14.9 PER
    2018: 19.3 PER
    Ohh man but PER is a garbage stat that doesn't mean anything!
    2016: 19.6 PER (54 TS%, 36 AST%, 29 USG%)
    2017: 14.9 PER (51 TS%, 30 AST%, 26 USG%)
    2018: 19.3 PER (56 TS%, 34 AST%, 25 USG%)
    Hmmm yah PER certainly didn't measure anything here!
    When you're done being emotional about your favorite players lmk
    8KB24
    They do..but different thing make up OVR rather than PER. So...flawed. Does not include defense nor things like athleticism, consistency and clutch ability which GREATLY changes OVR rating.

    Talking about 2K's OVR and calling something else flawed might be the most ironic comment of the year.
    I guess I logged on today to get my 2nd helping of turkey.
    Washington Wizards (7th Overall, 5th Offense, 11th Defense)
    STARTERS
    79/C Marcin Gortat (15.2 PER)
    78/PF Markieff Morris (12.0 PER) - OVERRATED
    83/SF Otto Porter (19.7 PER)
    87/SG Bradley Beal (21.1 PER)
    90/PG John Wall (22.0 PER)
    BENCH
    75/SF Kelly Oubre (12.7 PER)
    73/SG Jodie Meeks (11.4 PER)
    73/PG Tim Frazier (10.0 PER)
    73/PF Mike Scott (13.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    74/C Ian Mahinmi (7.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    70/SG Tomas Satoransky
    73/C Jason Smith
    69/PF Chris McCullough
    RESERVE
    66/PF Michael Young
    67/SF Devin Robinson
    68/SG Sheldon Mac (OUT FOR SEASON)
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Morris is probably never going back to the player he was with Phoenix four years ago. and has been losing time to Oubre.
    2. Mahinmi's lost 110 points off his FG% (47.6 from 58.6) and his turnover rate is way up.
    3. Mike Scott was awful last season (5.9 PER) as his legal issue defined his season. With all that behind him he's hitting 45% of his threes and is back to being the instant offense PF he was earlier with Atlanta.
    Indiana Pacers (11th Overall, 6th Offense, 18th Defense)
    STARTERS
    84/C Myles Turner (17.6 PER) - OVERRATED
    78/PF Thaddeus Young (14.7 PER)
    76/SF Bojan Bogdanovic (16.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    84/SG Victor Oladipo (21.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    78/PG Darren Collison (17.7 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    75/PG Cory Joseph (13.7 PER)
    78/C Domantas Sabonis (20.2 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/SF Lance Stephenson (9.5 PER)
    71/PF T.J. Leaf (11.4 PER)
    76/C Al Jefferson (21.7 PER)
    68/SF Damien Wilkins
    72/PG Joe Young
    68/SF Alex Poythress
    RESERVE
    68/C Ike Anikbogu
    74/SG Glenn Robinson (ETA February)
    68/SG Edmond Sumner (OUT INDEFINITELY)
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Last season Oladipo (13.6 PER) looked like he was never going to develop. Now he's an All-Star and the Pacers top player. Career high 57 TS% on 31 USG%, marked improvement as a shooter (45 3pt%, well up from last year's career high 36%), and hard-nosed defense (2.4 STL%, career high 2.2 BLK%).
    2. Turner is 21 years old and 2K anointed him a little quickly. He's leading the league in BLK% but isn't nearly the offensive player they think he is. He is not a post player you can run the offense through.
    3. Sabonis was phenomenal in Turner's absence and is boasting 64 TS%, 15 AST%, 12 ORB%, and 28 DRB% on the year. Shot blocking is his weakness (1.0 BLK%), but he and Turner compliment each other extremely well.
    4. Bogdanovic has a 67 TS% (9th in NBA), thanks to his 48 3pt% (4th in NBA).
    5. Career best production for Collison right now. With a 4.55 A/T ratio he runs a stupid efficient offense.
    Bradley Beal (87 OVR)
    21.1 PER
    58 TS% on 28 USG%
    16 AST% and 1.15 A/T
    3 ORB% / 12 DRB%
    1.7 STL% / 1.1 BLK%
    2.53 RPM (SG Rank: 1st)
    2.80 ORPM (SG Rank: 1st)

    -0.27 DRPM (SG Rank: 32nd)
    Victor Oladipo (84 OVR)
    21.3 PER
    57 TS% on 31 USG%
    18 AST% and 1.19 A/T
    3 ORB% / 14 DRB%
    2.4 STL% / 2.2 BLK%
    1.52 RPM (SG Rank: 10th)
    1.42 ORPM (SG Rank: 11th)
    0.10 DRPM (SG Rank: 19th)
    Avery Bradley (84 OVR)
    14.4 PER
    55 TS% on 25 USG%
    9 AST% and 0.68 A/T
    3 ORB% / 9 DRB%
    2.2 STL% / 0.5 BLK%
    -0.56 RPM (SG Rank: 24th)
    0.39 ORPM (SG Rank: 27th)
    -0.95 DRPM (SG Rank: 70th)
    I'm crying LOL
    Anyone who thinks Bradley is anywhere close to the above two need not address me any further
    Rashidi
    Talking about 2K's OVR and calling something else flawed might be the most ironic comment of the year.
    I guess I logged on today to get my 2nd helping of turkey.
    Who said OVR is not flawed? You constantly keep putting words in my mouth.
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    8KB24
    Who said OVR is not flawed? You constantly keep putting words in my mouth.

    Praytell then, what is the point of complaining about an "unscientific" measurement stat (PER) when measuring a likewise unscientific measurement formula (OVR)?
    Maybe if you don't want things shoved in your mouth you should keep it closed
    Since OVR is flawed let's base it off a flawed metric... Even though the flaws with the respective formulas are completely unrelated.
    Sound logic.
    PER can give an indication of a player being underrated/overrated but if that's your main point of reference it's an empty argument.
    Exactly what BluFu said. If you cannot see that then you have lost all respect you had from me as roster maker.
    Your logic is completely flawed. PER does not include things I already mentioned. OVR does. Both are flawed tho with proper edits OVR actually does approximate players value without things you cannot measure in 2K atributes.
    Also, no need to be sassy. Just read with comprehension.
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    BluFu
    PER can give an indication of a player being underrated/overrated but if that's your main point of reference it's an empty argument.

    It is not the ONLY point of reference, but uh, I don't exactly see anyone else around here putting in the work providing team-wide writeups on a video game forum.
    Rashidi you're such a POS you should spend an additional 25 minutes per post really outlining it for us simpletons
    8KB24
    If you cannot see that then you have lost all respect you had from me as roster maker.

    You can keep that **** to yourself cuz I damn sure don't need or want it
    with proper edits OVR actually does approximate players value without things you cannot measure in 2K atributes.

    2K literally has an attribute specifically designed to act as an OVR band-aid.... so I mean, you are wrong.
    Rashidi

    2K literally has an attribute specifically designed to act as an OVR band-aid.... so I mean, you are wrong.

    It was proven that intangibles rating is actually clutch rating...so you are wrong. Check 2klab.
    Also why the need for profanities? Just because someone does not agree with you it is suddenly a hit on your ego?
    8KB24
    It was proven that intangibles rating is actually clutch rating...so you are wrong.

    The attribute does something - does that something warrant the huge OVR boost it provides?
    The answer is no. It's a modifier.
    2K literally has an attribute specifically designed to act as an OVR band-aid.... so I mean, you are wrong.
    Which is factually false.
    High intangibles player in 2K shoot far better in the clutch than with low rating. Hence it being a clutch rating. Do I agree with 2K that it should change OVR that much? Hell no. Is it purely a modifier? HELL NAH
    Correct. Keep the team analysis coming Rashidi. Great stuff so far. Hopefully it helps the Roster team when looking at changes in the next Attribute Update.
    Are you planning to post all teams Rashidi?
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    Milwaukee Bucks (23rd Overall, 17th Offense, 22nd Defense)
    STARTERS
    74/C John Henson (14.7 PER)
    95/PF Giannis Antetokounmpo (30.4 PER)
    81/SF Khris Middleton (16.4 PER)
    80/SG Malcolm Brogdon (13.6 PER) - OVERRATED
    83/PG Eric Bledsoe (13.7 PER) - OVERRATED
    BENCH
    75/SG Tony Snell (11.2 PER)
    73/C Thon Maker (10.3 PER)
    73/PG Matthew Dellavedova (7.8 PER)
    71/SF DeAndre Liggins (6.8 PER)
    71/SG Rashad Vaughn
    70/PG Jason Terry
    69/PF Joel Bolomboy
    71/PF D.J Wilson
    RESERVE
    69/PG Gary Payton
    68/SG Sterling Brown
    76/PF Mirza Teletovic (14.2 PER) - ETA December
    81/PF Jabari Parker - ETA February
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Not a ton to say about Giannis that isn't already evident. He's shooting 78% at the rim which is on par with prime LeBron. They aren't exactly similar but 30/10/4 at PF is Mailmain territory. He's 23.
    2. Bledsoe's shooting numbers are in the tank this season: 45 TS%, 38 FG%, 23 3PT%, 68 FT%. Not the world's greatest offensive fit next to Antetokounmpo (though he has at least improved the team defense a great deal).
    3. Brogdon was really bad after moving to the bench: 8.5 PPG on 36.5% shooting in 6 games. He's back in the starting lineup in hopes that it kick starts him (Snell has been the much more consistent shooter than year).
    Miami Heat (21st Overall, 26th Offense, 10th Defense)
    STARTERS
    87/C Hassan Whiteside (25.6 PER)
    74/PF Justise Winslow (11.2 PER)
    74/SF Josh Richardson (6.5 PER) - OVERRATED
    80/SG Dion Waiters (10.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    85/PG Goran Dragic (17.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    BENCH
    74/PG Tyler Johnson (10.4 PER)
    79/PF James Johnson (16.4 PER)
    77/C Kelly Olynyk (17.1 PER)
    74/SG Wayne Ellington (13.1 PER)
    72/C Bam Adebayo (13.6 PER)
    69/SF Okaro White
    72/PF Jordan Mickey
    70/C Udonis Haslem
    RESERVE
    66/PG Derrick Walton
    68/C A.J. Hammons
    65/SG Matt Williams
    74/SG Rodney McGruder (OUT FOR SEASON)
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Dragic's overall production is down a tick across the board.
    2. I'm still perplexed Waiters was able to trick a team into giving him a big contract. This guy is an offense killer. 49 TS% on 26 USG% is right in line with the rest of his career.
    3. The bottom fell out for Richardson who likewise signed a mammoth contract. 46 TS% after last season's already unacceptable 49 TS% (on a mere 16 USG%). If your role players are shooting 36% (27% from deep) they aren't supposed to be making 10 million per.
    Not a surprise they are struggling, they overachieved to 41-41 last year with Waiters playing for a contract. The talent just isn't there.
    Charlotte Hornets (15th Overall, 13th Offense, 15th Defense)
    STARTERS
    80/C Dwight Howard (17.9 PER)
    75/PF Marvin Williams (13.4 PER)
    75/SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (13.3 PER)
    79/SG Nicolas Batum (15.3 PER)
    87/PG Kemba Walker (22.7 PER)
    BENCH
    79/SG Jeremy Lamb (19.2 PER) - UNDERRATED
    77/PF Frank Kaminsky (13.4 PER) - OVERRATED
    69/SF Dwayne Bacon (5.3 PER)
    73/SG Malik Monk (8.6 PER)
    77/C Cody Zeller (16.2 PER)
    71/PG Michael Carter-Williams
    68/PF Johnny O'Bryant
    67/PG Marcus Paige
    RESERVE
    65/C Mangok Mathiang
    69/SF Treveon Graham (8.1 PER) - OUT INDEFINITELY
    70/SG Julyan Stone - ETA December
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Lamb played very well in Batum's absence, and should be one of the NBA's top sixth men moving forward. He's averaging 16/6/3 in 25 MPG off the bench.
    2. Kaminsky hasn't developed since entering the league, and there really isn't reason for him to be rated higher than Marvin Williams, who has started for the team for four years now. Marvin is back to 41 3pt% while Kaminsky has maintained 33% the duration of his 3-year career.
    Orlando Magic (22nd Overall, 15th Offense, 17th Defense)
    STARTERS
    82/C Nikola Vucevic (19.7 PER)
    82/PF Aaron Gordon (20.4 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/SF Terrence Ross (10.3 PER)
    83/SG Evan Fournier (18.5 PER)
    77/PG Elfrid Payton (12.9 PER) - OVERRATED
    BENCH
    78/SF Jonathan Simmons (15.7 PER)
    73/PG Shelvin Mack (11.7 PER)
    73/C Bismack Biyombo (9.9 PER)
    73/PG D.J. Augustin (14.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/C Marreese Speights (19.5 PER)
    73/SF Mario Hezonja (9.2 PER)
    72/SG Arron Afflalo (3.1 PER) - OVERRATED
    69/SF Wesley Iwundu
    RESERVE
    69/C Khem Birch
    67/SF Jamel Artis
    71/PF Adreian Payne - OUT INDEFINITELY
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Orlando got off to a hot start but they've lost 7 in a row since and 9 of their last 11 (player stats do not reflect the recent game vs BOS).
    2. It should not be lost on anyone that the Magic are 3-7 when Payton starts and 5-1 when Augustin starts. Payton's poor shooting is just too much of an offensive liability.
    3. The fall of Afflalo from borderline 2014 All-Star in Orlando to 3rd stringer in his return four years later is now complete.
    Brooklyn Nets (25th Overall, 13th Offense, 27th Defense)
    STARTERS
    75/C Timofey Mozgov (10.7 PER)
    79/PF Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (18.5 PER) - UNDERRATED
    78/SF DeMarre Carroll (15.3 PER)
    74/SG Allen Crabbe (12.8 PER)
    76/PG Spencer Dinwiddie (19.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    74/SF Caris LeVert (10.6 PER)
    72/SG Joe Harris (15.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    75/PF Trevor Booker (15.8 PER) - UNDERRATED
    71/PF Quincy Acy (6.7 PER)
    73/C Tyler Zeller (16.8 PER) - UNDERRATED
    72/C Jarrett Allen (13.3 PER)
    71/SG Sean Kilpatrick
    73/PG Isaiah Whitehead - OVERRATED
    68/PF Jacob Wiley
    RESERVE
    66/PG Yakuba Ouattara
    81/PG D'Angelo Russell (19.5 PER) - OUT INDEFINITELY
    78/PG Jeremy Lin - OUT FOR SEASON
    TEAM NOTES
    1. RHJ has seen his TS% skyrocket (58% from 51 last year) despite not adding a 3pt shot. He's a much better mid-range shooter.
    2. Carroll having a solid bounce-back year after never being truly right with Toronto. 19 DRB% is easily his career high.
    3. Dinwiddie has been Linsanity-caliber awesome. Entered camp with a non-guarantee. Had a pair of 20-point games before Russell got hurt. Has three in five games as a starter. On top of ranking 8th in the NBA in Assist rate (36%), he boasts an absurd 5.36 A/T ratio.
    4. Harris improved his FG% 50 points which will do wonders for a wing's effectiveness. Has been better than LaVert and Crabbe throughout the year.
    5. Whitehead is not very good (7.6 PER last season in 1600 minutes) and literally entered the year as the 5th string. It's taken multiple key injuries for him to even get garbage time.
    Finished the Eastern Conference
    Rashidi
    Brooklyn Nets (25th Overall, 13th Offense, 27th Defense)
    STARTERS
    75/C Timofey Mozgov (10.7 PER)
    79/PF Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (18.5 PER) - UNDERRATED
    78/SF DeMarre Carroll (15.3 PER)
    74/SG Allen Crabbe (12.8 PER)
    76/PG Spencer Dinwiddie (19.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    BENCH
    74/SF Caris LeVert (10.6 PER)
    72/SG Joe Harris (15.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    75/PF Trevor Booker (15.8 PER) - UNDERRATED
    71/PF Quincy Acy (6.7 PER)
    73/C Tyler Zeller (16.8 PER) - UNDERRATED
    72/C Jarrett Allen (13.3 PER)
    71/SG Sean Kilpatrick
    73/PG Isaiah Whitehead - OVERRATED
    68/PF Jacob Wiley
    RESERVE
    66/PG Yakuba Ouattara
    81/PG D'Angelo Russell (19.5 PER) - OUT INDEFINITELY
    78/PG Jeremy Lin - OUT FOR SEASON
    TEAM NOTES
    1. RHJ has seen his TS% skyrocket (58% from 51 last year) despite not adding a 3pt shot. He's a much better mid-range shooter.
    2. Carroll having a solid bounce-back year after never being truly right with Toronto. 19 DRB% is easily his career high.
    3. Dinwiddie has been Linsanity-caliber awesome. Entered camp with a non-guarantee. Had a pair of 20-point games before Russell got hurt. Has three in five games as a starter. On top of ranking 8th in the NBA in Assist rate (36%), he boasts an absurd 5.36 A/T ratio.
    4. Harris improved his FG% 50 points which will do wonders for a wing's effectiveness. Has been better than LaVert and Crabbe throughout the year.
    5. Whitehead is not very good (7.6 PER last season in 1600 minutes) and literally entered the year as the 5th string. It's taken multiple key injuries for him to even get garbage time.
    Finished the Eastern Conference
    Ben saying this for a while now.
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    After Joe Ingles had his 3pt rating dropped in this update, he's gone on a tear and is currently 2nd in the league in 3pt percentage. I'm not sure it was an altogether justified drop to begin with, so maybe something to look at in the next rating update.
    Dallas Mavericks (25th Overall, 27th Offense, 17th Defense)
    STARTERS
    76/C Dirk Nowitzki (15.1 PER)
    68/PF Maxi Kleber (10.2 PER) - UNDERRATED
    82/SF Harrison Barnes (15.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    76/SG Wesley Matthews (9.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    77/PG Dennis Smith (11.1 PER) - OVERRATED
    BENCH
    74/PG Yogi Ferrell (10.2 PER)
    77/PG JJ Barea (16.9 PER) - UNDERRATED
    72/PF Dwight Powell (13.5 PER)
    74/SG Devin Harris (12.9 PER)
    76/C Nerlens Noel (15.7 PER)
    76/C Salah Mejri (21.6 PER)
    73/C Jeff Withey
    X/SG Antonius Cleveland
    RESERVE
    67/PF Jonathan Motley
    72/SF Dorian Finney-Smith (OUT INDEFINITELY)
    77/PG Seth Curry (OUT INDEFINITELY)
    69/PF Josh McRoberts (OUT INDEFINITELY)
    TEAM NOTES
    1. The Mavericks are 3-2 since Kleber entered the starting lineup (compared to 2-13 otherwise). Not a great talent by any stretch, but he’s an NBA player and knows his role.
    2. Barnes has a career high 20 DRB% but that rate is sure to plummet now that he’s starting at SF again rather than PF.
    3. Unfortunately, Wes Matthews (39 FG% in 3 years with Dallas) never recovered from the Achilles injury he suffered in Portland (45 FG% in 2015). He’ll make 18.6M next year.
    4. Barea is 5th in the NBA with 39.6 AST%, and has continued his strong production from last season. He’s one of the league’s better sixth men.
    5. Only 20 years old, Dennis Smith still has a ways to go. 46 TS% on 30 USG% is miserable efficiency for a shoot-first guard (compare to 54 TS% on 27 USG% for Barea).
    Denver Nuggets (12th Overall, 7th Offense, 18th Defense)
    STARTERS
    89/C Nikola Jokic (25.1 PER)
    75/PF Kenneth Faried (18.2 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/SF Wilson Chandler (10.1 PER) - OVERRATED
    79/SG Gary Harris (16.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/PG Jamal Murray (14.3 PER)
    BENCH
    79/SG Will Barton (17.0 PER)
    75/PG Emmanuel Mudiay (12.5 PER)
    77/C Mason Plumlee (16.1 PER)
    73/SG Malik Beasley (9.4 PER)
    74/PF Trey Lyles (16.3 PER)
    74/PF Juan Hernangomez
    74/SF Richard Jefferson
    72/PF Darrell Arthur
    RESERVE
    69/PF Tyler Lydon
    68/PG Monte Morris
    67/SF Torrey Craig
    85/PF Paul Millsap (17.6 PER) - OVERRATED - ETA March
    TEAM NOTES
    1. 2K has given Millsap the benefit of the doubt, but his production is in line with last season.
    2011-2016: 20.4 PER, 56 TS%, 8.0 ORB%, 20.5 DRB%
    2017-2018: 17.8 PER, 54 TS%, 5.3 ORB%, 19.2 DRB%
    2. Faried is still the same energy/rebound machine he’s always been, and will wildly outperform his OVR rating while Millsap is out.
    3. Chandler is posting career lows in rebounds and steals. His efficiency (53 TS%) has even gotten worse despite taking a significantly reduced offensive load (14 USG% from 22% last season)
    4. Harris went through a bit of a cold streak, but over his last 5 games is averaging 18 PPG on 57% shooting (47 3pt%). He’s one of the most efficient guards in the league and a solid defender.
    How is Millsap overrated when his defense is miles better than last year? His opponents shoot 5.5% worse vs him than usual compared to last year when his opponents shot better vs him compared to their usual %.
    Better blocks%, slightly worse steal % (by 0.2...not that much of a difference), and slightly worse rebounding, better 3pt%, also shooting better in RA while he almost entirely eliminated mid range jumpshooting.
    So not really sure why is he actually overrated? Because his PER is low for OVR of 85?
    Meanwhile Faried's only skill is athleticism and rebounding. Now sure how a 5pts/3.3rbs per game should be better ovr than 75? Especially since he cannot play more than 12 mpg. His stats are on downward trajectory and does not seem like it is going up any time soon. In previous years he was at least average defender...now he boasts a whopping -1.5 DBPM. He is simply atrocious defender. Lost on defense. Opponents shoot +8.5% better inside 6ft and +11.1% better between 6ft and 11ft compared to their usual %. No offensive game, no defensive ability. Pure athleticism and rebounding...which is down for him. So even his biggest strength is on decline...
    8KB24
    How is Millsap overrated when his defense is miles better than last year?

    Millsap DRPM and PF Rank
    2014: 2.06 (12th)
    2015: 2.22 (8th)
    2016: 3.26 (2nd)
    2017: 3.35 (5th)
    2018: 1.62 (9th)
    LOL
    So uh, let's use our noodles here
    94 Anthony Davis (29.4 PER, 65 TS%, 27 USG%)
    91 Kristaps Porzingis (24.9 PER, 58 TS%, 34 USG%)
    88 Draymond Green (16.2 PER, 59 TS%, 16 USG%)
    87 Blake Griffin (20.7 PER, 54 TS%, 30 USG%)
    87 LaMarcus Aldridge (24.6 PER, 56 TS%, 28 USG%)
    87 Kevin Love (22.5 PER, 60 TS%, 25 USG%)
    85 Paul Millsap (17.6 PER, 53 TS%, 24 USG%)
    82 Aaron Gordon (20.2 PER, 62 TS%, 21 USG%)
    Note that Millsap has the worst TS/USG ratio and that it's not particularly close... the fact that it's not particularly close means he is.... wait for it.... overrated.
    That is without even taking into account his career-worst rebounding numbers.
    94 Anthony Davis (29.4 PER, 8.0 ORB%, 28.9 DRB%)
    91 Kristaps Porzingis (24.9 PER, 4.2 ORB%, 19.8 DRB%)
    88 Draymond Green (16.2 PER, 4.4 ORB%, 20.2 DRB%)
    87 Blake Griffin (20.7 PER, 3.8 ORB%, 19.7 DRB%)
    87 LaMarcus Aldridge (24.6 PER, 10.8 ORB%, 16.7 DRB%)
    87 Kevin Love (22.5 PER, 10.6 ORB%, 28.1 DRB%%)
    85 Paul Millsap (17.6 PER, 5.5 ORB%, 17.6 DRB%)
    82 Aaron Gordon (20.2 PER, 4.8 ORB%, 22.2 DRB%)
    Why, it's almost as if there are attribute-specific stats that make up PER!
    I love how you nitpick one sentence of whole post and use that to discredit everything. I guess it hurts to be in the wrong?
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 16 16 5.5 13.6 40.4 100% 45.9 -5.5
    3 Pointers 16 15 1.5 4.7 32.0 34.4% 35.2 -3.2
    2 Pointers 16 16 4.0 8.9 44.8 65.6% 51.4 -6.7
    Less Than 6 Ft 16 15 2.2 4.8 45.5 35.3% 61.5 -16.1
    Less Than 10 Ft 16 16 2.6 5.9 43.6 43.1% 56.9 -13.2
    Greater Than 15 Ft 16 16 2.4 6.6 36.2 48.2% 36.8 -0.7

    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 68 68 7.5 15.9 47.2 100% 46.1 1.1
    3 Pointers 68 65 1.8 5.1 34.7 32.3% 35.6 -0.9
    2 Pointers 68 68 5.7 10.8 53.1 67.7% 50.8 2.3
    Less Than 6 Ft 68 67 3.5 5.7 61.2 35.5% 62.0 -0.8
    Less Than 10 Ft 68 67 4.1 7.2 56.8 45.4% 56.8 0.1
    Greater Than 15 Ft 68 68 2.9 7.6 38.3 47.6% 37.3 0.9

    Guess which one is this year's?
    Also dpm uses TEAM's contribution into account..I guess having Jokic instead of Dwight makes no difference? As well as having Wilson Chandler instead of Teaurean Prince...or Mike Muscala or Thabo? DEN has three positive defenders on their team - Jokic, Mason Plumlee and...yep - Milsapp.
    ATL had...Milsapp, Dwight, Thabo and Muscala.
    I guess leaving 4th best defensive team in the league for 18th defensive team in the league impacts your TEAM BASED stats? Who knew... You learn something every day.
    Also, your inability to post your thoughts into one post instead of spamming consecutive posts amuses me.
    Of all players you included..sans KPorzingis and Davis since they are on different planet...and bballreff allows for only 6 players to compare...Millsap has second best dpm behind Dray, third best ORB%, 4th lowest DRB%, third best AST%, second best STL%, tied with Dray with best BLK%, second worst in TOV%, whilst having 4th USG% besting only Gordon and Dray.
    While also having good-great defensive skills.
    Also he has second worst eFG%. His efficiency is not that great.
    GREEN DEFENSIVE NUMBERS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 19 19 5.2 12.2 42.7 100% 46.7 -4.0
    3 Pointers 19 18 1.4 4.0 33.8 33.2% 35.9 -2.2
    2 Pointers 19 19 3.8 8.2 47.1 66.8% 52.5 -5.4
    Less Than 6 Ft 19 18 2.5 4.4 57.1 36.2% 64.4 -7.2
    Less Than 10 Ft 19 19 3.0 5.8 52.7 47.4% 59.0 -6.3
    Greater Than 15 Ft 19 19 1.8 5.4 34.3 44.0% 37.1 -2.8

    GRIFFIN DEFENSIVE STATS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 18 18 6.4 13.7 47.2 100% 46.6 0.6
    3 Pointers 18 17 1.7 4.6 36.6 33.3% 37.4 -0.8
    2 Pointers 18 18 4.8 9.1 52.4 66.7% 51.4 1.1
    Less Than 6 Ft 18 18 2.9 4.5 65.4 32.9% 63.2 2.2
    Less Than 10 Ft 18 18 3.4 5.3 64.2 38.6% 57.5 6.7
    Greater Than 15 Ft 18 18 2.6 7.0 36.5 51.2% 37.2 -0.7

    LAMARCUS DEFENSIVE STATS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 19 19 5.5 12.6 43.5 100% 47.1 -3.6
    3 Pointers 19 17 1.4 3.5 39.4 27.6% 36.5 2.9
    2 Pointers 19 19 4.1 9.1 45.1 72.4% 51.5 -6.4
    Less Than 6 Ft 19 19 2.2 4.3 51.2 34.3% 61.7 -10.5
    Less Than 10 Ft 19 19 2.7 6.0 46.0 47.3% 57.0 -11.0
    Greater Than 15 Ft 19 18 2.3 5.7 39.4 45.6% 37.3 2.1

    KLOVE DEFENSIVE STATS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 19 19 7.1 12.9 54.9 100% 48.0 6.9
    3 Pointers 19 18 1.4 3.1 45.8 24.0% 38.0 7.8
    2 Pointers 19 19 5.7 9.8 57.8 76.0% 51.8 6.0
    Less Than 6 Ft 19 19 3.8 5.7 66.1 44.3% 62.6 3.5
    Less Than 10 Ft 19 19 4.6 7.6 60.4 58.5% 57.6 2.8
    Greater Than 15 Ft 19 19 1.9 4.4 44.6 33.7% 38.8 5.8

    MILSAP DEFENSIVE STATS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 16 16 5.5 13.6 40.4 100% 45.9 -5.5
    3 Pointers 16 15 1.5 4.7 32.0 34.4% 35.2 -3.2
    2 Pointers 16 16 4.0 8.9 44.8 65.6% 51.4 -6.7
    Less Than 6 Ft 16 15 2.2 4.8 45.5 35.3% 61.5 -16.1
    Less Than 10 Ft 16 16 2.6 5.9 43.6 43.1% 56.9 -13.2
    Greater Than 15 Ft 16 16 2.4 6.6 36.2 48.2% 36.8 -0.7

    GORDON DEFENSIVE STATS
    Defense Category GP G DFGM DFGA DFG% FREQ FG% DIFF%
    Overall 18 18 4.6 9.8 46.3 100% 45.6 0.8
    3 Pointers 18 17 0.7 2.3 31.0 23.7% 37.4 -6.4
    2 Pointers 18 18 3.8 7.5 51.1 76.3% 50.1 1.0
    Less Than 6 Ft 18 18 2.7 4.7 58.3 47.5% 60.7 -2.3
    Less Than 10 Ft 18 18 3.1 5.7 54.4 58.2% 55.8 -1.4
    Greater Than 15 Ft 18 18 1.2 3.1 37.5 31.6% 38.1 -0.6

    How's that for noodles?
    I actually don't think Milsap is overrated. But I guess we agree to disagree.
    One player I was shocked to see low ratings in certain spots. Was Jaylen Brown.... Boston been playing well. Kyrie can't get much of a boost. Because he would be Overkill. But Jaylen Brown has been huge for them. Tatum already has a nice boost.
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    I guess that there are more stats than PER and TS% and USG%....and you know...watching the game. Since Paul has handles and can drible drive far better than for example LMA...and Gordon.
    8KB24
    I guess that there are more stats than PER and TS% and USG%....and you know...watching the game. Since Paul has handles and can drible drive far better than for example LMA...and Gordon.

    If Millsap's handle and dribble drive is so much better than LMA and Gordon..... why is his shooting% so much worse?
    Could it be those players have significant edges in other areas?
    Paul Millsap
    On-Ball Offense (33%)
    16% Post Up: 0.78 PPP (34th percentile)]
    10% Isolation: 0.81 PPP (31st percentile)
    7% PnR Ball: 0.94 PPP (74th percentile)
    B-b-but handles!
    Off-Ball Offense (49%)
    23% Spot Up: 0.93 PPP (43rd percentile)
    10% PnR Roll: 0.81 PPP (15th percentile)
    7% Off-Screen: 0.47 PPP (4th percentile)
    6% Cut: 1.13 PPP (33rd percentile)
    3% Handoff: 1.63 PPP (DNQ)
    Misc (19%)
    10% Transition: 1.15 PPP (62nd percentile)
    6% Putbacks: 1.27 PPP (67th percentile)
    3% Other: 0.71 PPP (DNQ)
    Note that Millsap is garbage in a staggering number of categories. He is above average in a grand total of three offensive categories, only ONE of them coming in half-court possessions. In his average year, he's a jack of all trades, master of none. This is not his average year. This is his worst year in a decade.
    By contrast....
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    On-Ball Offense (41%)
    36% Post Up: 0.92 PPP (62nd percentile)]
    5% Isolation: 0.56 PPP (9th percentile)
    0% PnR Ball
    Off-Ball Offense (40%)
    12% Spot Up: 1.08 PPP (67th percentile)
    18% PnR Roll: 1.07 PPP (48th percentile)
    3% Off-Screen: 0.50 PPP (5th percentile)
    6% Cut: 1.48 PPP (81st percentile)
    1% Handoff: 2.00 PPP (DNQ)
    Misc (20%)
    4% Transition: 1.06 PPP (47th percentile)
    11% Putbacks: 1.44 PPP (90th percentile)
    5% Other: 0.72 PPP (81st percentile)
    Aldridge is significantly better than Millsap in a number of categories, and is even great/elite (80+%) at two.
    It is evident from practically every discernible data source (and visuals) that Aldridge is "miles" better than Millsap offensively.
    When I write "17.6 PER" in a quick-hit post, I generally know what I'm going to find when I dig deeper. I've ONLY been doing this for 14 years now. Why, it's almost as if I have 12 years of analysis/observation on Paul Millap's skill set and career progression!
    Where did I write that LMA is not better all-around offensive player than Paul? Stop putting words into my mouth!
    I said he is better ball handler..and look - he is 74th percentile in pnr ball handling situations. While LMA never attempted one. Wonder why...
    LMA IS better than Milsap. Which is why his OVR rating is higher. Better offensivel (all around) but worse defensively. Milsap can actually switch onto guards and not look like absolute schmuck most of the time.
    You may have more experience editing rosters but reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
    Milsap is clearly a player who is a rank below AD, KPorzingis. But only a notch below LMA, Griffin but also above players like Gordon...so 85 seems like a good spot for him.
    If you do not agree with that...ye well good luck making faulty roster.
    Also, thanks for confirming you were wrong with Faried.
    8KB24
    I said he is better ball handler..and look - he is 74th percentile in pnr ball handling situations. While LMA never attempted one. Wonder why...

    Which, as it turns out, is not at all meaningful. You're trying to hang your hat on SEVEN PERCENT of Millsap's offensive game while ignoring everything he is measurably bad at.
    I ignore most of what people write if they demonstrate a lack of fundamental mathematical comprehension. Contrary to what you might believe, not every word you write is worth responding to. As such, until you clean it up, this will be our last correspondence.
    Golden State Warriors (1st Overall, 1st Offense, 6th Defense)
    STARTERS
    74/C Zaza Pachulia (14.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    88/PF Draymond Green (16.2 PER) - OVERRATED
    96/SF Kevin Durant (24.4 PER) - OVERRATED
    90/SG Klay Thompson (18.1 PER) - OVERRATED
    95/PG Stephen Curry (27.6 PER)
    BENCH
    78/SF Andre Iguodala (11.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    75/PG Shaun Livingston (11.4 PER)
    75/SG Nick Young (14.0 PER)
    74/PF David West (26.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/SG Patrick McCaw (9.2 PER)
    73/SF Omri Casspi (18.6 PER) - UNDERRATED
    70/PF Kevon Looney (14.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/C JaVale McGee (19.5 PER)
    RESERVE
    73/PF Jordan Bell (20.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    69/PG Quinn Cook
    70/C Damian Jones
    66/PF Chris Boucher
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Zaza is a very underrated defender which is why he continues to start over flashier players like McGee.
    2. Draymond is versatile, but not a great offensive player. He is a mediocre shooter (31 3pt% over the last two seasons) and isn’t a post-up threat (0.50 PPP, 2nd percentile).
    3. Durant’s rebounding is back to normal (18 DRB%) after a career high there (23 DRB%) last season. His turnovers are also up (a mediocre 1.4 A/T, down from last season’s 2.2). All in all he’s had better seasons and his rating should presently not reflect “2nd best player in the NBA”.
    4. Klay has been overrated for a couple years now. He doesn’t create his own shot, doesn’t make his teammates better, and 2K has gifted him a 90 for awhile. Compare him to any other 90+ rated player and it quickly folds.
    5. Iguodala is 34 years old and consequently having the worst season of his career. His TS% dropped 71 points (shooting 27% from three) and is recording career lows in the following: 10.0 DRB%, 1.1 STL%, and 10.7 USG%.
    6. West is shooting 67% from the field (70 TS%; last year 57%) and has 22 blocks in 220 minutes (absurd 8.0 BLK%). Two years ago he has 55 blocks in 1400 minutes.
    7. Casspi career highs: 67 TS% (last year 53%), 26 DRB% (last year 15%), 4.0 BLK% (last year 0.4%).
    8. Looney’s overall production indicates he is better than your average 70 OVR who is clinging to the league. Career numbers: 59 TS% on 13 USG%, 11.6 ORB%, 18.5 DRB%, 3.9 BLK%. He’s 21.
    9. Bell is likewise another player who would be playing regularly if he played for a team that wasn’t the Warriors. Starting for Green, he had 7/6/4 with 6 blocks (26 mins) in a blowout of the Bulls.
    The Rockets are right there with the Warriors but you wouldn't know it from their rating disparities.
    Houston Rockets (2nd Overall, 2nd Offense, 7th Defense)
    STARTERS
    84/C Clint Capela (26.0 PER) - UNDERRATED
    78/PF Ryan Anderson (13.9 PER)
    76/SF Trevor Ariza (12.4 PER)
    95/SG James Harden (30.6 PER)
    91/PG Chris Paul (24.6 PER)
    BENCH
    83/SG Eric Gordon (14.8 PER) - OVERRATED
    76/SF P.J. Tucker (9.8 PER)
    75/PF Luc Mbah a Moute (11.3 PER)
    77/C Nene (21.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/C Tarik Black (16.5 PER)
    70/PG Bobby Brown
    68/PG Demetrius Jackson
    69/C Zhou Qi
    RESERVE
    71/SF Troy Williams
    70/PG Briante Weber
    69/C Chinanu Onuaku
    TEAM NOTES
    1. Capela leads the league with 67 FG%. His rebound rate skyrocketed this season to 35 DRB%, good for 2nd in the NBA. He’s 5th in Blocks (5.9%) and 8th in ORB% (14.6). He’s the Tyson Chandler that Mike D’Antoni’s teams have always lacked.
    2. I’ve seen Gordon get a lot of credit for the Rockets success but he’s shooting 39% from the field, 32% from deep, and doesn’t really bring much beyond his scoring.
    3. Nene is shooting 68% from the field. His FG% progression over the last six years: 48, 50, 51, 54, 62, 68. He has thrived in a bench role over the last few years.
    Los Angeles Clippers (20th Overall, 10th Offense, 20th Defense)
    STARTERS
    84/C DeAndre Jordan (18.1 PER) - OVERRATED
    87/PF Blake Griffin (20.7 PER) - OVERRATED
    70/SF Wesley Johnson (12.3 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/SG Austin Rivers (10.4 PER)
    83/PG Lou Williams (20.3 PER)
    BENCH
    68/SG Sindarius Thornwell (7.5 PER) - UNDERRATED
    76/C Willie Reed (22.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    73/PF Sam Dekker (11.0 PER)
    68/PG Jawun Evans (7.1 PER) - UNDERRATED
    74/C Montrezl Harrell (22.6 PER) - UNDERRATED
    65/SG C.J. Williams
    70/PF Brice Johnson
    66/SF Jamil Wilson
    RESERVE
    78/SF Danilo Gallinari (11.3 PER) - ETA December
    77/PG Milos Tedosic - ETA January
    78/PG Patrick Beverley (13.2 PER) - OUT FOR SEASON
    TEAM NOTES
    1. It should not surprise anyone that the departure of Chris Paul has greatly affected DeAndre Jordan. Jordan led the league in FG% for FIVE consecutive seasons with Chris Paul, including 71% last season - he is down to 66 FG% this year. Jordan is also posting the worst block rate of his career (2.9%, down from 4.3% last year and 5.1% for his career). His turnovers have also shot up to their pre-CP heights.
    2. Griffin started off the season hot, but poor shooting has caught up to him. He’s shooting only 38% from the field over his last 10 games. His season could potentially be over pending the state of his recent knee injury (which would kick off a team-wide firesale).
    3. Wesley Johnson is quietly having a career year, which is good timing, because last year was probably the worst of his career. 59 TS% up from 45 TS% basically says it all.
    4. Thornwell isn’t great but he’s effectively the team’s sixth man due to all the injuries. He ranks 7th on the team in minutes. Ditto for Jawun Evans, being in an NBA rotation effectively guarantees a player should be rated outside of the 60s.
    5. Reed and Harrell are super efficient as always. Reed boasts a 71 TS% while Harrell has rebounded well above rate (13.6 ORB%, 24.3 DRB%).
    6. Gallinari is shooting 36% and 26% from deep.

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