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Microsoft Reveals the New Xbox Series X, Arrives in Holiday 2020

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Microsoft Reveals the New Xbox Series X, Arrives in Holiday 2020

Microsoft has revealed the new Xbox Series X, previously known as Project Scarlett. The new console is scheduled to arrive in the holiday season of 2020.

Here are some bullet points…

  • Xbox Series X will be their fastest, most powerful console ever and set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, allowing you to bring your gaming legacy, thousands of games from three generations and more forward with you.
  • Its industrial design enables us to deliver four times the processing power of Xbox One X in the most quiet and efficient way, something that is critically important in delivering truly immersive gameplay.
  • The Xbox Series X is designed to support both vertical and horizontal orientation.

  • The new Xbox Wireless Controller features a new Share button to make capturing screenshots and game clips simple and an advanced d-pad derived from the Xbox Elite Series 2 Wireless Controller.
  • The new Xbox Wireless Controller will be compatible with Xbox One and Windows 10 PCs, and will be included with every Xbox Series X.
  • It will feature world-class visuals in 4K at 60FPS, with possibility of up to 120FPS, including support for Variable Refresh Rate (VRR), and 8K capability.
  • Powered by a custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture from AMD to deliver hardware accelerated ray tracing and a new level of performance.
  • The patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU and the next-generation SSD will virtually eliminate load times.
  • Minimizing latency by leveraging technology such as Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) and giving developers new functionality like Dynamic Latency Input (DLI) to make Xbox Series X even more responsive.
  • Xbox Series X is also designed for a future in the cloud, with unique capabilities built into the hardware and software to make it as easy as possible to bring great games to both console and elsewhere.
  • Thanks to backward compatibility, you can expect your gaming legacy, thousands of your favorite games across four generations of gaming, all your Xbox One gaming accessories, and services like Xbox Game Pass.
  • Committed to ensuring that games from Xbox Game Studios support cross-generation entitlements and that your Achievements and game saves are shared across devices.
  • 15 Xbox Game Studios are developing the largest and most creatively diverse lineup of Xbox exclusive games.

Make sure to watch the Xbox Series X trailer below, which provides a better look at the new design for the upcoming console.

With MLB The Show most likely coming to the Xbox console, as early as 2021, we could very well see a realistic baseball game on Microsoft’s new console.

The Xbox One X costed $499 when it was released back in November 2017. We haven’t heard anything in regards to the price tag for the Xbox Series X, but more details will be revealed at a later date.

How excited are you about the reveal of the new Xbox Series X console?

Does MLB The Show going multi-platform factor into your console choice next generation, or was baseball not the reason you pick one console over the other?

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  1. The Xbox Series X box. LOL. Honestly, it looks like a PC but its not actually a PC.
    Glad they kept the controller virtually the same, but personally... as it looks closer and closer to a PC i'm finding it harder and harder to find a reason not to just buy a PC.
    itsmb8
    The Xbox Series X box. LOL. Honestly, it looks like a PC but its not actually a PC.
    Glad they kept the controller virtually the same, but personally... as it looks closer and closer to a PC i'm finding it harder and harder to find a reason not to just buy a PC.

    Cause it’s probably gonna be cheaper than buy the PC parts that are gonna be in this juggernaut.
    Looking at the Hellblade 2 trailer....... yea I’m stoked to see madden and NCAA in these graphics. Holy crap
    Sparkles
    Cause it’s probably gonna be cheaper than buy the PC parts that are gonna be in this juggernaut.
    Looking at the Hellblade 2 trailer....... yea I’m stoked to see madden and NCAA in these graphics. Holy crap

    I mean no doubt consoles will ALWAYS be cheaper. But in reality, it kinda balances out because you dont need a subscription to play online, games can be cheaper because of third-party sites, and you can just upgrade parts instead of the entire thing.
    I mean, ill probably buy this anyways unless i REALLY save up for a PC, but its short-term vs long-term cost.
    itsmb8
    I mean no doubt consoles will ALWAYS be cheaper. But in reality, it kinda balances out because you dont need a subscription to play online, games can be cheaper because of third-party sites, and you can just upgrade parts instead of the entire thing.
    I mean, ill probably buy this anyways unless i REALLY save up for a PC, but its short-term vs long-term cost.

    If you don't have Game Pass Ultimate you're doing PC gaming wrong anyways.
    Product looks interesting, no issues w/ form factor, looking forward to innovations on what is already a really strong platform.
    woz411
    How the hell is that going to fit in people’s gaming cabinet’s?
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    you can lay it down too
    I don't see any mention of what type of hard drive they will using. SSD? Mechanical? I would also hope they think of changing the type of media that games will be sold on. I would think using a microSD style of unit.
    drugsbunny
    I don't see any mention of what type of hard drive they will using. SSD? Mechanical? I would also hope they think of changing the type of media that games will be sold on. I would think using a microSD style of unit.

    Word is they are using NVME 2.0 which is superior to regular ssd
    I'm ok with the design. My initial thought was that it looked boring and so PC-like. But as long as it is designed so that it can handle high performance, then I'm all for function over form. But, I don't really care for the same. I get it if it confirms the rumors of multiple SKUs. But i feel it too close to current models. Especially if we see a Series S. Makes me wonder if we see a Series X & Series S at launch, will there also be a mid gen refresh. I just don't see the need for a refresh this time around. I don't see 8k being that mainstream for another 4-5 years and any hardware improvements should be saved for following generation. With generations now being 6-7 years, I rather see them just focus on making sure it can last throughout generation. But I do see a slim version coming out mid gen.
    I still getting a PS5 over this just because always been a Sony guy. But I'm sure my stepson will get this console, so I will be playing it when he isn't home.
    drae2
    Now if we can get NFL 2K back..oh wait..it's backwards compatible so we will!!!!
    ... you know this isn't the case, right? Nothing says there are any changes to backward compatibility. Just adding another 'generation' (the current one).
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    Day one for this crusty old gamer! I don't care if it looks like an air purifier; as long as it can deliver 4K HDR @ 60 FPS+ on EVERY game, it'll will meet my acceptance criteria! I can see Forza 8 running at 120 FPS in 4K on this beast :)
    illwill10
    I'm ok with the design. My initial thought was that it looked boring and so PC-like. But as long as it is designed so that it can handle high performance, then I'm all for function over form. But, I don't really care for the same. I get it if it confirms the rumors of multiple SKUs. But i feel it too close to current models. Especially if we see a Series S. Makes me wonder if we see a Series X & Series S at launch, will there also be a mid gen refresh. I just don't see the need for a refresh this time around. I don't see 8k being that mainstream for another 4-5 years and any hardware improvements should be saved for following generation. With generations now being 6-7 years, I rather see them just focus on making sure it can last throughout generation. But I do see a slim version coming out mid gen.
    I still getting a PS5 over this just because always been a Sony guy. But I'm sure my stepson will get this console, so I will be playing it when he isn't home.
    The whole idea is to be done with "gens" hence the series name. Systems will come out with better specs ala PC but will be compatible with all other consoles as well.
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    XtremeDunkz
    The whole idea is to be done with "gens" hence the series name. Systems will come out with better specs ala PC but will be compatible with all other consoles as well.
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    Microsoft is going to have to be careful how they pull this off though. A lot of the buying public has trouble distinguishing between an XBox One S and and XBox One X. That distinction is probably going to be even more blurred between XBox One X and XBox Series X. As an informed buyer and consumer, I like what they're doing with this, I just hope Microsoft can find a way of clearly presenting this so the general buying public is going to understand it.
    OnlookerDelay
    Microsoft is going to have to be careful how they pull this off though. A lot of the buying public has trouble distinguishing between an XBox One S and and XBox One X. That distinction is probably going to be even more blurred between XBox One X and XBox Series X. As an informed buyer and consumer, I like what they're doing with this, I just hope Microsoft can find a way of clearly presenting this so the general buying public is going to understand it.

    I expect that to be a lot simpler by the time the X launches. They'll blow through inventory over the summer and some version of the One X will become the base SKU with the Series X the premium offering.
    At some point there will need to be a 'software is compatible for Xbox One X and newer' point in their ecosystem, that will be where they need to be careful.
    That a dev can target the specs of the 360 and release software that plays on every console in the ecosystem for the foreseeable future is pretty remarkable.
    OnlookerDelay
    Microsoft is going to have to be careful how they pull this off though. A lot of the buying public has trouble distinguishing between an XBox One S and and XBox One X. That distinction is probably going to be even more blurred between XBox One X and XBox Series X. As an informed buyer and consumer, I like what they're doing with this, I just hope Microsoft can find a way of clearly presenting this so the general buying public is going to understand it.

    Part of me always think, that there shouldn't be any confusion. But to the casual mom/GF who doesn't have a clue, it can be confusing. One can assume if there is a Xbox Series S, than Xbox One X would have to drop its price below the lower SKU model. If not, it would cause some serious confusion. There should be at least a $100 gap between Xbox one X and possible Series S. I can see a mom or GF getting confused with similar style name and similar price.
    illwill10
    Part of me always think, that there shouldn't be any confusion. But to the casual mom/GF who doesn't have a clue, it can be confusing. One can assume if there is a Xbox Series S, than Xbox One X would have to drop its price below the lower SKU model. If not, it would cause some serious confusion. There should be at least a $100 gap between Xbox one X and possible Series S. I can see a mom or GF getting confused with similar style name and similar price.

    You make a good point. If they can't understand anything else, uninformed buyers understand price differences. I think the XBox"Series" generation is going to wind up having an XBox Series X (12 teraflops at $500) and an XBox Series S (4 teraflops at $250 to $300). If I set out to buy a $300 XBox console, I don't think I'd buy the $500 one out of confusion.
    tbook24
    Still no VR mention? PS5 should have that still. Microsoft get with the program. See they copied the share button.* Progress.
    Still a developing niche unfortunately. Hoping for Flight Simulator in VR on PC though.
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    mestevo
    If you don't have Game Pass Ultimate you're doing PC gaming wrong anyways.

    I don't get what GPU has to do with PC gaming....seems all Xbox related.
    so the name of the third Xbox is called Xbox One and the name of the fourth one will be called Xbox 10 (X)? makes sense to me. kinda like how the name Scarlet puts you in the frame of mind of the color green lol.
    All the pics/vids show the console in a vertical position. Will it work horizontally? If not, I'm definitely out because it won't fit in my TV stand.
    Cod
    All the pics/vids show the console in a vertical position. Will it work horizontally? If not, I'm definitely out because it won't fit in my TV stand.

    Yes it will, Phil Spencer confirmed it. If you rotated it horizontally, it would be equal to the height of 2 1/4, horizontal XBox One S's.
    Nice look, But I have no need to purchase the next XBOX.  All the exclusives will be on Gamepass. I'll stick with my PC, switch, and a PS5. 
    I'm an early adopter, so It's Day 1 for me! I like the Design and I'm looking forward to a new design,consoles have looked the same for like 25 years, something new is good!
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    PVarck31
    I love it. And now that MLB The Show will be coming to Xbox, probably won't be buying the PS5.

    We're both in the same boat. I normally get a playstation just for MLB the show and now that the xbox might get it don't think I'll have a need for a PS5 until later on. I personally like the look and can't wait to have it next year..
    OnlookerDelay
    Microsoft is going to have to be careful how they pull this off though. A lot of the buying public has trouble distinguishing between an XBox One S and and XBox One X. That distinction is probably going to be even more blurred between XBox One X and XBox Series X. As an informed buyer and consumer, I like what they're doing with this, I just hope Microsoft can find a way of clearly presenting this so the general buying public is going to understand it.

    There is zero evidence of this, the box is white for the s and black for the x and the price tag is a sure fire indicator for a human with a brain to tell what is better
    Microsoft is going to have to be careful how they pull this off though. A lot of the buying public has trouble distinguishing between an XBox One S and and XBox One X. That distinction is probably going to be even more blurred between XBox One X and XBox Series X. As an informed buyer and consumer, I like what they're doing with this, I just hope Microsoft can find a way of clearly presenting this so the general buying public is going to understand it... If they can't understand anything else, uninformed buyers understand price differences. I think the XBox"Series" generation is going to wind up having an XBox Series X (12 teraflops at $500) and an XBox Series S (4 teraflops at $250 to $300). If I set out to buy a $300 XBox console, I don't think I'd buy the $500 one out of confusion.
    There is zero evidence of this, the box is white for the s and black for the x and the price tag is a sure fire indicator for a human with a brain to tell what is better
    yeah, onlooker later posted as much (bolded quote). I think where the most confusion comes in buying games for their children. Also sometimes we give some humans too much credit in the brains department. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt, until you realise they dont understand the meaning of ''benefit'' or ''doubt''. - #KeepItSimpleStupid
    XxGamerXx
    There is zero evidence of this, the box is white for the s and black for the x and the price tag is a sure fire indicator for a human with a brain to tell what is better

    I can cite an example where my wife's nephew asked for an XBox One X for Christmas last year and got an S instead from his non tech-savvy mother. In her mind, she'd just saved $200 on an 'XBox One' so there's at least .00000003401 evidence of this :) My attempt to explain to her that the difference was the XBox One X was capable of 6 teraflops, while the XBox One S was only 1.8 teraflops fell on deaf ears. He ultimately got the X, btw, so it had a happy ending.
    I think it will be more confusing, model name wise, when the XBox Series X releases and the XBox One Xs are still prominent. You're right, the consumer ultimately bears the responsibility for their purchase choices, but I still wonder how many potential buyers get turned away from even exploring it? It just seems like the PS5 is more distinct and definitive. I know there's a PS4 Pro, but its suffix describes it in a way that you know you're buying a more premium/higher performing version of the PS4.
    Caulfield
    yeah, onlooker later posted as much (bolded quote). I think where the most confusion comes in buying games for their children. Also sometimes we give some humans too much credit in the brains department. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt, until you realise they dont understand the meaning of ''benefit'' or ''doubt''. - #KeepItSimpleStupid

    I appreciate your highlighting this Caulfield. I realized that I had failed to mention the price difference between the two in my earlier post, so I did go back and add that. Unfortunately it must have been after XxGamerXx read my initial post concerning it.
    I do wonder how distinctive the XBox Series X (Scarlett) will be from the XBox Series (Lockhart) when it's announced/released? I think there will be $200 to $250 between the two. Maybe the 'Lockhart' version will be white?
    OnlookerDelay
    I can cite an example where my wife's nephew asked for an XBox One X for Christmas last year and got an S instead from his non tech-savvy mother. In her mind, she'd just saved $200 on an 'XBox One' so there's at least .00000003401 evidence of this :) My attempt to explain to her that the difference was the XBox One X was capable of 6 teraflops, while the XBox One S was only 1.8 teraflops fell on deaf ears. He ultimately got the X, btw, so it had a happy ending.
    I think it will be more confusing, model name wise, when the XBox Series X releases and the XBox One Xs are still prominent. You're right, the consumer ultimately bears the responsibility for their purchase choices, but I still wonder how many potential buyers get turned away from even exploring it? It just seems like the PS5 is more distinct and definitive. I know there's a PS4 Pro, but its suffix describes it in a way that you know you're buying a more premium/higher performing version of the PS4.

    I can see something like that happening. Where if Series S and One X is around same price ball park, that could be confusing for a parent/partner. One could think if X means more powerful console and the Series S is lets say $50-100 more, they could think they are getting good deal.
    I would have liked Scarlett as the console name. Because Xbox Series doesn't sound appealing. But no one is going to care about the name or look, if it is as powerful as it appears.
    OnlookerDelay
    I appreciate your highlighting this Caulfield. I realized that I had failed to mention the price difference between the two in my earlier post, so I did go back and add that. Unfortunately it must have been after XxGamerXx read my initial post concerning it.
    I do wonder how distinctive the XBox Series X (Scarlett) will be from the XBox Series (Lockhart) when it's announced/released? I think there will be $200 to $250 between the two. Maybe the 'Lockhart' version will be white?

    With the shape of the console, I'm not sure how appealing white would look. With that design, I feel darker colors would fit the design.
    I know it can be horizontal and Vertical. The only main problem with vertical I can see is dust collecting at the top where vents are. I'm not sure how appealing box would be horizontally and you would have to make sure that your entertainment setup can allow adequate ventilation with it being horizontal
    I've never bought a console at launch, but I trust the Microsoft designers and engineers now to have this console on point from jump street. Coming from a OG Xbox One it's going to be an absurd step up for me.
    IMO, if someone really wants Microsoft's premium console they will get it. Stuff like fitting into someone's entertainment center or being confused by the name of the system are not concerns for anyone who is all in on the Xbox brand.
    Should MS have chosen some patently obvious name that makes it instantaneously clear what generation and version a console is, Yes of course, but 5 minutes of research by any parent should have them straight on what's what. It's a pet peeve of mine when people mess things up because they don't do their homework.
    I’m just hoping that the game pass stays the same. I also how Sony follows by reintroducing the BC but I doubt they do. Looking forward to getting this but I'll wait a few months until the hype dies down.
    jfsolo
    I've never bought a console at launch, but I trust the Microsoft designers and engineers now to have this console on point from jump street. Coming from a OG Xbox One it's going to be an absurd step up for me.
    IMO, if someone really wants Microsoft's premium console they will get it. Stuff like fitting into someone's entertainment center or being confused by the name of the system are not concerns for anyone who is all in on the Xbox brand.
    Should MS have chosen some patently obvious name that makes it instantaneously clear what generation and version a console is, Yes of course, but 5 minutes of research by any parent should have them straight on what's what. It's a pet peeve of mine when people mess things up because they don't do their homework.

    I also never got a console at launch. I always waited a year or so. This time around I'm torn on what I want to do. Part of me wants to wait a half year to year to get a new console. Just so there are a larger collection of games and primarily for possible technical issues. My fear is there might be technical issues with the first and maybe second wave of consoles. But part of me really wants to buy a console day one. I am very excited for next gen and if gameplay videos look like an improvement over current gen, then I definitely want to buy day one.
    illwill10
    I also never got a console at launch. I always waited a year or so. This time around I'm torn on what I want to do. Part of me wants to wait a half year to year to get a new console. Just so there are a larger collection of games and primarily for possible technical issues. My fear is there might be technical issues with the first and maybe second wave of consoles. But part of me really wants to buy a console day one. I am very excited for next gen and if gameplay videos look like an improvement over current gen, then I definitely want to buy day one.

    Same reason I was thinking of waiting but I could end up playing those games from generations ago and not stress with having nothing to play. Would give the console early life to play my wall of shame games last of tons of titles I didn't even start. Plus the contours are going to work right? Price is the only thing I am looking for. Looks like a mini ATX concept.
    illwill10
    I also never got a console at launch. I always waited a year or so. This time around I'm torn on what I want to do. Part of me wants to wait a half year to year to get a new console. Just so there are a larger collection of games and primarily for possible technical issues. My fear is there might be technical issues with the first and maybe second wave of consoles. But part of me really wants to buy a console day one. I am very excited for next gen and if gameplay videos look like an improvement over current gen, then I definitely want to buy day one.
    I've bought the last two generations at launch for the first time ever (not XBOX but ps 3 & 4). I was more than pleased the first time but less so the second time. the 2nd, greatness still is awaiting, imo. this time around I give it time to mature, slightly.
    OnlookerDelay
    I can cite an example where my wife's nephew asked for an XBox One X for Christmas last year and got an S instead from his non tech-savvy mother. In her mind, she'd just saved $200 on an 'XBox One' so there's at least .00000003401 evidence of this :) My attempt to explain to her that the difference was the XBox One X was capable of 6 teraflops, while the XBox One S was only 1.8 teraflops fell on deaf ears. He ultimately got the X, btw, so it had a happy ending.
    I think it will be more confusing, model name wise, when the XBox Series X releases and the XBox One Xs are still prominent. You're right, the consumer ultimately bears the responsibility for their purchase choices, but I still wonder how many potential buyers get turned away from even exploring it? It just seems like the PS5 is more distinct and definitive. I know there's a PS4 Pro, but its suffix describes it in a way that you know you're buying a more premium/higher performing version of the PS4.

    Am sorry but one box is white and cheap and the other is black and more expensive.
    If a kid asks his mom for a ps4 pro are you saying these humans would be smart to not get the base ps4 with no PRO name that has a game or two in the bundle because they thought they were saving?
    These issues only come up when Xbox releases something but never for sony
    So if parents are dumb, I guess they will buy base ps4 for 100 dollars over timmy asking for ps5 because they are saving money?
    A couple thoughts....
    Sometimes gamers overestimate how much non-gamers understand gaming lingo. My wife, parents, and in laws certainly understand the idea of console generations and that new consoles come out every few years. But not some of the nuance. For example, if I asked my wife to get me a PS4 Pro for Christmas she would have to have it explained to her very clearly what the difference is between the base, pro, and slim models. Same with my parents or in laws. Not because they are dumb, but because to them all PS4s are the same. They aren't gamers. If Microsoft launches with multiple sku's (like it seems like they are) there will be some level of confusion among non gamers who are asked to get one of these consoles as a Christmas gift. I have faith Microsoft will be smart enough with their messaging to avoid too much confusion.
    As for the console itself, I am impressed. While there have been some highs of the PS4/Xbox One generation, I have largely been unimpressed. It has felt like more of a continuation of the PS360 era than it's own gen. And that's okay, I loved the PS360 era, my favorite ever. This looks like a huge leap forward.
    That said, I plan to sit out the first couple years. I want to see what Sony is doing before I get on board with the next xbox. I am not a fan of all the cloud gaming/subscription based stuff and Micrsoft is leading the charge there.
    I want to see what Sony's BC policy is going forward, what MLB the show looks like on new consoles, and if we get NCAA back on new consoles. And a Mass Effect trilogy remaster/remake. Some combination of those things really taking a step forward is when I'll ju.p in.
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    luv_mist
    Same reason I was thinking of waiting but I could end up playing those games from generations ago and not stress with having nothing to play. Would give the console early life to play my wall of shame games last of tons of titles I didn't even start. Plus the contours are going to work right? Price is the only thing I am looking for. Looks like a mini ATX concept.

    Caulfield
    I've bought the last two generations at launch for the first time ever (not XBOX but ps 3 & 4). I was more than pleased the first time but less so the second time. the 2nd, greatness still is awaiting, imo. this time around I give it time to mature, slightly.

    For me, BC isn't the top seller for me. Essentially, there isn't any games on my back log. But, I do plan on skipping out on all the games that are coming out next year. I rather wait to play them on new console and sure next year's games will get an added boost on new hardware. Plus there are old games that I would like to play again.
    Price for me isn't a huge concern. I'm thinking the price is definitely going to be $500. With the specs we are hearing about, I don't think it will be under $500 without them cutting back on something else and taking huge loss. Don't think the casual fan is ready for $600 console. I wouldn't mind $600 if console is as powerful as possible and without need for mid gen refresh. I just don't want to spend $500 plus and then mid gen versions come out 3 years later. But for me even though I getting PS5, I plan on playing Series X if my stepson gets it. I plan on trading in my Pro and base PS4 model in. If I get about $300 for both combined, then I'm essentially only paying $200 -300 for new console. Plus I canceled my Gamefly couple months ago until next gen, so I'm saving $200+ for not paying for that the next year. With trading in current consoles and dropping Gamefly for a year, I'm essentially paying for next gen. I'm just trying to decide when to trade in consoles. There's just one game I want to play for a couple months. But the value of consoles drop as it gets closer to launch. So at the latest, I want to trade in consoles by mid Feb. Game Stop seems to have the best trade in deals. If not I'll try to sell it myself.
    At launch, we're looking at 3-5 big titles, sports games, BC games. I think that it enough to hold over most over the first 6 months of next gen
    mpklub
    A couple thoughts....
    Sometimes gamers overestimate how much non-gamers understand gaming lingo. My wife, parents, and in laws certainly understand the idea of console generations and that new consoles come out every few years. But not some of the nuance. For example, if I asked my wife to get me a PS4 Pro for Christmas she would have to have it explained to her very clearly what the difference is between the base, pro, and slim models. Same with my parents or in laws. Not because they are dumb, but because to them all PS4s are the same. They aren't gamers. If Microsoft launches with multiple sku's (like it seems like they are) there will be some level of confusion among non gamers who are asked to get one of these consoles as a Christmas gift. I have faith Microsoft will be smart enough with their messaging to avoid too much confusion.
    As for the console itself, I am impressed. While there have been some highs of the PS4/Xbox One generation, I have largely been unimpressed. It has felt like more of a continuation of the PS360 era than it's own gen. And that's okay, I loved the PS360 era, my favorite ever. This looks like a huge leap forward.
    That said, I plan to sit out the first couple years. I want to see what Sony is doing before I get on board with the next xbox. I am not a fan of all the cloud gaming/subscription based stuff and Micrsoft is leading the charge there.
    I want to see what Sony's BC policy is going forward, what MLB the show looks like on new consoles, and if we get NCAA back on new consoles. And a Mass Effect trilogy remaster/remake. Some combination of those things really taking a step forward is when I'll ju.p in.
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    Sales of PS4 beg to differ, why did it sell so well when PS3 was still being sold
    Average mom and grandma bought the correct one then but now is an issue?
    NOPE....A human who sees a white box costing 150 vs a black one with a 500 price tag should know that there is a big difference...No need to explain anything
    XxGamerXx
    Sales of PS4 beg to differ, why did it sell so well when PS3 was still being sold
    Average mom and grandma bought the correct one then but now is an issue?
    NOPE....A human who sees a white box costing 150 vs a black one with a 500 price tag should know that there is a big difference...No need to explain anything

    Because it is a distinctly different product and not similar sku's of the same product? A PS4 is a PS4, not a PS3. And vice versa.
    Whereas PS4 Pro, PS4 Slim, the original PS4 (which I know has been discontinued) are all different versions of PS4. If someone bought a base PS4 or PS4 slim when their kid wanted a PS4 Pro instead it still counts towards PS4 sales. But the kid ultimately didn't get the console they wanted.
    It's not inherently a hard concept I admit, but for people who aren't in the weeds of consoles it isn't hard to see how someone could be confused on the different sku's. Should I buy the Xbox Series X or the Xbox Series S (i.e. the rumored Lockheart)? Or the Xbox One X? Gamers tend to misjudge what non-gamers know and understand about consoles.
    I think the general public clearly understands the idea of console generations and the jump from one gen to the next. As we have started to have these mid-gen refreshes and now it appears MS is trying to do away with generations altogether...these things change the console landscape that has been in existence for 30 plus years. For the casual consumer this is different than what they are used to so it creates the potential for their to be some confusion on what exactly it is Microsoft is doing. As long as Microsoft is clear in their messaging (which it does appear that they are so far) on what their different console models are geared towards it's a non issue.
    Again, it isn't the end of the world and it isn't going to cause the console to fail or even have poor sales or anything that like. I'm not even trying to say that. But to pretend launching a console with multiple sku's couldn't impact messaging and create some initial confusion outside of gaming circles is naive.
    I thought I was savvy but now all the X's & O's & S's talk leave me feeling confused. :lol:
    but at least I know where I stand on 1,2,3,4&5. I also know now why non-Star War fans get confused when I talk about watching episode IV,V,&VI when I was a kid but had to wait till I was 35 to see episode III connect to episode IV :)
    RoyalBoyle78
    Isn't the share button on the New Elite Series 2 controller right now?

    It's called the "Profile" button on the Elite 2. It's used to toggle amongst your preset controller profiles.
    XxGamerXx
    Am sorry but one box is white and cheap and the other is black and more expensive.

    Yes, to most self aware consumers, but there are those out there who aren't.
    If a kid asks his mom for a ps4 pro are you saying these humans would be smart to not get the base ps4 with no PRO name that has a game or two in the bundle because they thought they were saving?

    I wouldn't necessarily say smart, more like blissfully "cheap".
    So if parents are dumb, I guess they will buy base ps4 for 100 dollars over timmy asking for ps5 because they are saving money?

    Probably as much frugal, or "cheap" as dumb.
    Console itself looks like a mini PC tower which is fine as I thought it was taller but appears to only be a foot high so that will still fit in my TV stand. Not a fan of the name but it fits with what their direction is.
    Game wise, while I was hoping for a new IP, Hellblade was good so I don't have a problem with Ninja Theory developing a sequel.
    For me, it's day one and with the reveal of Hellblade 2, Microsoft and Xbox Series X is already off to a better start than Xbox One was for me as I already have two exclusives that I want to play - Hellblade 2 and Halo Infinite. Could be three by late 2020 depending on when they release Gears Tactics as the April release is only for the PC version.
    peter42O
    Console itself looks like a mini PC tower which is fine as I thought it was taller but appears to only be a foot high so that will still fit in my TV stand. Not a fan of the name but it fits with what their direction is.
    Game wise, while I was hoping for a new IP, Hellblade was good so I don't have a problem with Ninja Theory developing a sequel.
    For me, it's day one and with the reveal of Hellblade 2, Microsoft and Xbox Series X is already off to a better start than Xbox One was for me as I already have two exclusives that I want to play - Hellblade 2 and Halo Infinite. Could be three by late 2020 depending on when they release Gears Tactics as the April release is only for the PC version.

    Hoping they reveal a brand new single play story based IP for launch. Xbox is alcking those types of games.
    XtremeDunkz
    Hoping they reveal a brand new single play story based IP for launch. Xbox is alcking those types of games.

    That will be Xbox's biggest factor this upcoming generation. The whole "fastest most powerful" is nice and X-Cloud & Gamepass are great, but at the end of the day games are the most important thing. Sony has shown that single player games can still sell very well as exclusives and that they are reasons many consumers chose Sony. It was good that they acquired those 15 studios and will have something for everyone. But they need those AAA -Style Exclusive games that can sell 8-10 million copies in a year. I can quickly name off a few that Sony will probably release that will sell well. GoW, Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon, Gran Tourismo. If Xbox wants to win the console wars then they need more high quality single player games
    XtremeDunkz
    Hoping they reveal a brand new single play story based IP for launch. Xbox is alcking those types of games.

    Agreed. Not expecting a new first party single player story based IP at launch but Obsidian is working on a new single player RPG IP, InXile has a new single player RPG IP after Wasteland 3 and Playground is rumored to be working on Fable which is a single player story based action RPG. While not at launch, I am expecting a few of those games down the line.
    Everyone knows that im not the biggest Xbox fan but I still buy their consoles because there's always exclusives that I want to play and while Xbox One declined for me with only 5 exclusives compared to Xbox 360 which had 9 exclusives, looking at just TGA and what is already known, they are on a far better trajectory for me than they were this gen.
    Bottom line is that im just hoping that they continue to showcase games that im interested in playing.
    So the new console is just called Xbox. Series X is the model, but it's simply an Xbox, and that apperas to be the naming paradigm going forward.
    Makes sense for an ecosystem that will see new hardware every 3-5 years.
    mestevo
    So the new console is just called Xbox. Series X is the model, but it's simply an Xbox, and that apperas to be the naming paradigm going forward.
    Makes sense for an ecosystem that will see new hardware every 3-5 years.

    Which would make sense. That way you don't have to necessarily follow a generation schedule. It gives the freedom to release a multitude of different consoles. Series X will be base console. Series can just imply the family of next generation Xbox. There's so many possibility. There can be a Series S which could be the entry level model that is 1440p max but still gives the next.gen experience. There can be the a disc-less version that relies on X-Cloud, Gamepass, and digital purchases. There doesn't have to be a mid-gen refresh. As 8k becomes more of a thing and as technology improves, they can just release a new console in the Series family
    XxGamerXx
    There is zero evidence of this, the box is white for the s and black for the x and the price tag is a sure fire indicator for a human with a brain to tell what is better

    I have evidence. I recently put my Xbox One X up for sale on the FB Marketplace for $350.00 5 different people asked me to drop the price. I went down to $300.00. I said I would not go any lower because the X offers 4K gaming. They all responded and said they could get and Xbox One S for $150.00 - $200.00 and that offers 4K gaming as well. (It does not)
    That is how uninformed the casual gamer is.They obviously don't know the difference between 4K gaming and just 4K streaming They are clueless and MS does make it harder for them not easier. For someone like myself that plays games every day it's not an issue. But for the less informed or the non gaming parent buying for their kid, good luck. Hence my One X is still sitting in my entertainment cabinet.
    JMD
    I have evidence. I recently put my Xbox One X up for sale on the FB Marketplace for $350.00 5 different people asked me to drop the price. I went down to $300.00. I said I would not go any lower because the X offers 4K gaming. They all responded and said they could get and Xbox One S for $150.00 - $200.00 and that offers 4K gaming as well. (It does not)
    That is how uninformed the casual gamer is.They obviously don't know the difference between 4K gaming and just 4K streaming They are clueless and MS does make it harder for them not easier. For someone like myself that plays games every day it's not an issue. But for the less informed or the non gaming parent buying for their kid, good luck. Hence my One X is still sitting in my entertainment cabinet.

    Just because you came across dumb people a few times on FB does not make this a norm
    You really think that if this was effecting sales of the x or the pro that Sony and MS would not have named it something totally different.
    What makes you story even more of a scam is the fact that why in the world would someone tell you on FB Market that they can get the S which does the same for 150? Ummm so why not buy that...They were just trying to bully you into buying it cheaper. They know exactly the difference
    Most stores you walk into have the X and the S right next to each other.
    Let me see how a dumb parent can tell the difference
    On the left bracket we have the WHITE box S that cost 150
    On the right bracket we have the BLACK box X that cost 500
    If a parent was told by their kid they wanted an xbox one x and they saw the S and X you think they will just buy the cheaper because is the same thing but for some reason the store or MS decided to sell the same thing in two big different price range.
    If the parent buys the S is only to save money and that has ZERO to do with MS naming it.
    MS Could have named the console XBOX Super Duper COnsole and the X Xbox Predator Machine
    That is not going to stop a cheap person from buying the cheaper console. They were not confused...They just wanted to spend less...Naming had zero to do with that
    XxGamerXx

    Most stores you walk into have the X and the S right next to each other.
    Let me see how a dumb parent can tell the difference
    On the left bracket we have the WHITE box S that cost 150
    On the right bracket we have the BLACK box X that cost 500
    If a parent was told by their kid they wanted an xbox one x and they saw the S and X you think they will just buy the cheaper because is the same thing but for some reason the store or MS decided to sell the same thing in two big different price range.

    Where the confusion lies is in the marketing not the COLOR of the console. Both the S and X had the term 4K as a selling point. The problem the S is for 4K streaming not gaming. The less informed consumer looks at both consoles sees they both mention 4K and goes with the less expensive choice.
    I've seen people post on here the Forza Horizon 4 runs n 4K on the S , it does not so why would they think it does?
    Now we will have the Xbox one X and the Xbox series X and the same thing will be an issue. When little Johnny's mother goes to get him the new Xbox Series X for Christmas and sees the Xbox one X for a couple hundred less I wonder which she will buy not knowing the difference?
    JMD
    Where the confusion lies is in the marketing not the COLOR of the console. Both the S and X had the term 4K as a selling point. The problem the S is for 4K streaming not gaming. The less informed consumer looks at both consoles sees they both mention 4K and goes with the less expensive choice.
    I've seen people post on here the Forza Horizon 4 runs n 4K on the S , it does not so why would they think it does?
    Now we will have the Xbox one X and the Xbox series X and the same thing will be an issue. When little Johnny's mother goes to get him the new Xbox Series X for Christmas and sees the Xbox one X for a couple hundred less I wonder which she will buy not knowing the difference?

    I agree with you, seems like a mixer my wife just bought which had minimal differences but one was drastically more expensive...
    The series X creates even more confusion. Will it have 'exclusives' or will all the games be 3 tier'd ? ... 1080p30fps version, 4k 30fps version, 4k 60fps version?
    It's awkward to me because you're not outright told what you're getting and why it makes sense to get it. I have the xbox1x, so if the games are the same it doesn't make sense for me for extra fps personally. It's always about the games. If there are a tonne of games coming out that are 'next gen' and the only way to play is to get the new one like has been the case for decades until this most recent cycle, ... then yes, pretty simple to understand. If not... wtf are they doing? lol
    allBthere
    I agree with you, seems like a mixer my wife just bought which had minimal differences but one was drastically more expensive...
    The series X creates even more confusion. Will it have 'exclusives' or will all the games be 3 tier'd ? ... 1080p30fps version, 4k 30fps version, 4k 60fps version?
    It's awkward to me because you're not outright told what you're getting and why it makes sense to get it. I have the xbox1x, so if the games are the same it doesn't make sense for me for extra fps personally. It's always about the games. If there are a tonne of games coming out that are 'next gen' and the only way to play is to get the new one like has been the case for decades until this most recent cycle, ... then yes, pretty simple to understand. If not... wtf are they doing? lol
    It will be more than fps. Things like ray tracing will pretty drastically change how games like the next Forza look/run on a One X vs a Series X.
    Options certainly can breed confusion, but I'll take that over the illusion of obsolescence just to move hardware.
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    No idea, I don't get super hyped on trailers and stuff, seeing people play it is what I look forward to.
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    mestevo
    No idea, I don't get super hyped on trailers and stuff, seeing people play it is what I look forward to.
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    Yeah unless it is official gameplay, I don't get to caught up on graphics. But I do believe that graphics will see a jump towards photo realism. Ray tracing, improved textures, and lighting will definitely help. I wonder with Ray Tracing if we will truly see 60+FPS in most games as well.
    But we'll have to wait until E3 to get in gameplay. I don't see us getting anything significant from Xbox until then.
    My last post on this topic
    A human with a brain knows that if Box A cost 150 and box B cost 500 there is a difference in what it offers. I do not need to be told there is a difference.
    If the parent buys the Box A is because of price and that is it. If they were given a tutorial at the store that the Box B is superior in every way the parent who wants to spend less is still going to buy Box A because of the price so it has ZERO to do with the message or the name.
    XxGamerXx
    My last post on this topic

    Looks like you may have had the last post on this topic... PERIOD! No posts in this "Hot" thread since you posted this three days ago :)
    Once I understood the naming structure, it makes sense. For the next year, If I were Microsoft, I would just refer to the console as, SERIES X. it would be drilled into everyones head by the end of 2020.
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    WaddupCouzin
    Once I understood the naming structure, it makes sense. For the next year, If I were Microsoft, I would just refer to the console as, SERIES X. it would be drilled into everyones head by the end of 2020.
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    Yeah it makes sense, just want it called Xbox and have series names and have them all BC going back to the beginning, and hardware works going forward until it is too under powered ala PC, and try to go generation-less.
    I still wonder if it would be better to call this Xbox Series 4, as in their 4th generation. Then if there is new hardware in a few years, call it Series 4X or Series 4 Slim or something like that. Then when there is a large leap (essentially a new generation, like when PS6 comes out), call it Series 5. Or even consider the X as a 4th series as is since it was a drastic enough increase from the original XO, and call this Series 5 (to cheaply be on the same number as Sony so some clueless people just getting a console for kids say PS5 or Xbox Series 4? 5 is bigger!)
    As is now, what would be next? Series Y? Series X2?
    I'm looking more towards 2021 for gaming more so than next year. As far as current gen games, I'm willing to wait until next gen to play them. We don't know much about the launch line-up yet. For Xbox, we mainly know about Halo and Hellblade 2, and most likely Forza. For Sony, we are only really aware of Godfall. I'm looking more towards mid to late 2021-early 2022 when developers have more time with consoles and better understanding to see full power of consoles being used.
    Typically gen launch sports games are lackluster outside of graphics and usually stripped down. Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if that was the case as long as they don't do a full reset and not take them until 3-4th year to just be a decent game. But I am curious to see how sports games will look. We saw the small snippets of Fifa in the Xbox announcement. For first year, I expect the sports games to put a heavy focus on graphics. I expect EA to stick with Frostbite. Madden needs a big overhaul anyway. So I wouldn't mind a reset for that game. For the sports games, I'm mainly looking for them set the foundation(visuals, gameplay/animations, set up core game modes), year two would be for them to add features, more depth in game modes, and improved game modes. Then by year 3, the games should be at a elite level where you just have to innovate and expand on what was built
    Im all about next year, the thing I'm most interested in, more than any games, it's how they will continue to innovate the existing l ecosystem.
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    I likely won't get an Xbox, or any console this generation, unless certain games make that hard to avoid, i.e. me not wanting to wait on a GTA PC release, but I am excited that these consoles are finally upping their CPU power for once. All we've seen grow in games over the past few generations now has been the graphics while AI sits there not being improved at all. Hopefully now that the consoles are getting some legitimate CPU power for once we will finally see AI advancements that are extremely long overdue. The consoles have basically kept AI progression a decade or two behind at this point since most games these days are made with consoles in mind and then PC's just get the extra bells and whistles graphically speaking. Now there will be no excuse for the AI in games to be as poor as it still is. It is a sad world when FEAR, a game from what, 2004?, still has some of the best AI in gaming simply because it has been all about graphics graphics graphics.
    I'm ready for AI to be the focus so that games that are PVE or sports games, or whatever, can finally feel more organic and it becomes harder and harder to know how to beat the AI simply due to its limitations. I'm ready to see machine learning in games more. We've seen demos of it being used in games before and the early tests show that there is plenty of potential there, hopefully this gen is when we finally see stuff like that employed on a massive scale and AI becomes a big focus. I know graphics will remain king since that is what grabs peoples' attention, but I long for the day when bots in shooters, the AI enemies in campaigns, the CPU in sports games, etc. all behave like real people and aren't as predictable. Having the AI learn context and being dynamic based off of it should be one of the improvements we see if companies put any effort into AI and that alone is going to be a huge jump for AI.
    canes21
    I likely won't get an Xbox, or any console this generation, unless certain games make that hard to avoid, i.e. me not wanting to wait on a GTA PC release, but I am excited that these consoles are finally upping their CPU power for once. All we've seen grow in games over the past few generations now has been the graphics while AI sits there not being improved at all. Hopefully now that the consoles are getting some legitimate CPU power for once we will finally see AI advancements that are extremely long overdue. The consoles have basically kept AI progression a decade or two behind at this point since most games these days are made with consoles in mind and then PC's just get the extra bells and whistles graphically speaking. Now there will be no excuse for the AI in games to be as poor as it still is. It is a sad world when FEAR, a game from what, 2004?, still has some of the best AI in gaming simply because it has been all about graphics graphics graphics.
    I'm ready for AI to be the focus so that games that are PVE or sports games, or whatever, can finally feel more organic and it becomes harder and harder to know how to beat the AI simply due to its limitations. I'm ready to see machine learning in games more. We've seen demos of it being used in games before and the early tests show that there is plenty of potential there, hopefully this gen is when we finally see stuff like that employed on a massive scale and AI becomes a big focus. I know graphics will remain king since that is what grabs peoples' attention, but I long for the day when bots in shooters, the AI enemies in campaigns, the CPU in sports games, etc. all behave like real people and aren't as predictable. Having the AI learn context and being dynamic based off of it should be one of the improvements we see if companies put any effort into AI and that alone is going to be a huge jump for AI.

    I do agree that AI has held gaming back past couple generations. Most games felt scripted because AI wasn't advanced enough to give gamers adequate challenge. I'm hoping with the jump to advanced CPU, that AI sees a big jump. I always been a solo offline guy, but I do see the allure of H2H or CO-OP gaming, especially with sports gaming. CPU AI has struggled to give users a realistic challenge because AI has to be scripted to perform at a basic level.
    I'm hoping this is the generation where visuals and gameplay/AI are at an elite level. Visuals has been the main focus last couple generations. I'm hoping that we have gameplay to match the visuals. We know we're going to see a good jump in visuals. But I'm hoping gameplay sees a significant jump. I still feel the PS2/Xbox was my favorite generation.
    I like what CD Project Red did allowing Cyberpunk buyers to not have to rebuy the game for Series X. I guess that is how Smart Delivery will work to upgrade to Series X version. I wonder how many developers will be willing to do that. That is the more consumer friendly approach. Companies stand to make a lot of money by making consumers repurchase games for new consoles for upgraded experience. I do see some developers not doing it if they want as much money as possible. But that plus Backwards Compatibility upgrading previous generation games, is a great pair.
    I hope that is something Sony does as well since that is the console I'm purchasing. Even though, I sold all my previous games and consoles, Smart Delivery is a useful feature for me. Imagine wanting to rent or buy a cross-gen game that is out of stock for for Series X, but with Smart Delivery you can get the last gen version and still get the next gen experience
    Must admit that Microsoft has won me over for the first since since Gears 3 during the Xbox 360 generation. After reading all that info a little while ago and watching the 30 minute Digital Foundry video, im ready!!!
    Unless Sony's PS5 is equal or better (it won't be), Xbox Series X will be my primary console for next generation. Plus, CDPR saying that upgrading from the Xbox One to the Xbox Series X version of Cyberpunk 2077 will be free is not only a huge plus but pretty much confirms what I have expected once they delayed the game which is a next gen port day one!!!
    What a great day!!! :)
    peter42O
    Must admit that Microsoft has won me over for the first since since Gears 3 during the Xbox 360 generation. After reading all that info a little while ago and watching the 30 minute Digital Foundry video, im ready!!!
    Unless Sony's PS5 is equal or better (it won't be), Xbox Series X will be my primary console for next generation. Plus, CDPR saying that upgrading from the Xbox One to the Xbox Series X version of Cyberpunk 2077 will be free is not only a huge plus but pretty much confirms what I have expected once they delayed the game which is a next gen port day one!!!
    What a great day!!! :)

    Cyberpunk saying that holds a lot of weight for sure because Sony was the company that decided to do a remaster of LOU when they could have done a free upgrade. That won't fly with sony fans any longer and they will expect that the lou2 on ps4 pro version will get automatic upgrade to ps5 without having to buy it
    As a matter of fact these companies better start doing one purchase cross gen so I do not have to buy the same damm game for ps5 xsx and pc
    XxGamerXx
    Cyberpunk saying that holds a lot of weight for sure because Sony was the company that decided to do a remaster of LOU when they could have done a free upgrade. That won't fly with sony fans any longer and they will expect that the lou2 on ps4 pro version will get automatic upgrade to ps5 without having to buy it
    As a matter of fact these companies better start doing one purchase cross gen so I do not have to buy the same damm game for ps5 xsx and pc

    Sony wasn't the only publisher to do last gen remasters for this gen. Don't forget though, PS4 wasn't BC with PS3 so could they give you a free upgrade? They would still have to release a PS4 version of the game. Gamers didn't mind though as the remaster went over 7m in sales. A lot of PS4 owners didn't own a PS3 because they were Xbox 360 owners. With PS5 said to be BC with PS4, an upgrade should be what happens.
    With Cyberpunk 2077, im hoping that CDPR delays it to the launch of Series X and it can be a cross-gen launch title. This way, since im buying Series X day one, I can just have the best version right off the bat instead of waiting because while my plan is to wait until the next gen version releases, if I was to play it this gen, im simply not going to replay the game as I have only done that once this generation and just isn't something im into doing.
    If not, then I will wait for the update/upgrade to be available especially since it's a given that Cyberpunk 2077 will have expansions ala The Witcher 3 and I would prefer to just have everything as one complete set.
    Either way, im HYPED!!!
    Impressive console but it's not buying me over with upgrades of current gen games. I want to see something I haven't seen before that's a real tech demo.
    49UNCFan
    Impressive console but it's not buying me over with upgrades of current gen games. I want to see something I haven't seen before that's a real tech demo.

    Microsoft has that Gamestack digital presentation next two days and the Series X/XCloud portion will be at 11:55PDT. I assume most of what they will talk about is info they put out yesterday and past. All Xbox has left to announce is Price, unannounced console features(if any left), and games. I expect the games to be announced in June with their digital press conference.
    At this point, I want to see next gen games even if it just a tech demo. Current gen upgrades are cool, but unless it's a drastic difference, it won't sell me either. Wish they had at least one major Series X exclusive that can show off the power of that console.
    illwill10
    Microsoft has that Gamestack digital presentation next two days and the Series X/XCloud portion will be at 11:55PDT. I assume most of what they will talk about is info they put out yesterday and past. All Xbox has left to announce is Price, unannounced console features(if any left), and games. I expect the games to be announced in June with their digital press conference.
    At this point, I want to see next gen games even if it just a tech demo. Current gen upgrades are cool, but unless it's a drastic difference, it won't sell me either. Wish they had at least one major Series X exclusive that can show off the power of that console.

    Yea, I'm tired of seeing current gen upgrades it's nice but not what I want to see out my Next Gen console.
    49UNCFan
    Yea, I'm tired of seeing current gen upgrades it's nice but not what I want to see out my Next Gen console.

    When it comes to current gen upgrades, it's something you have to experience to feel the difference. Especially from this current gen. I rather see 360 and Xbox games being shown and getting benefiting from Series X. That would have been a better way to show off power.
    With all the talks how powerful the console the leap forward we should see, I want to next gen games. Not just for the graphics. But for the little nuances. Extra detail, Ray tracing, games being created with SSD in mind, smarter NPCs. Stuff like that
    Technically, Microsoft already showed two games in Everwild and Hellblade 2 if not three games including Halo Infinite. They've already shown a few cinematic trailers for next gen. Not expecting gameplay until their E3 Digital Showcase.
    As for the current gen games being upgraded, expect Sony to do the same in their video tomorrow which they started with Spider Man last year. Any new game reveals or first ever gameplay like of Halo Infinite has been reserved for the E3 Digital Showcase.
    I wouldn't waste any of that stuff in a Digital Foundry video.
    Yeah, not expecting any game stuff really this week, it's all about the hardware and infrastructure. In particular I'm interested in any additional announcements related to xCloud and the things this console does to lean into that.
    xCloud works so well as it is, I could easily see a future within a couple of console generations where my kids just won't need to own consoles.
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    I have a question in regards to BC:
    They say all previous gen games will be playable on the Series X, in what context are we talking? Say just downloading them off Xbox Live then playing them, or if we have our old games laying around, the Series X will read the old discs and we can play them no problem?
    IE... NCAA 14.
    UFCMPunk
    I have a question in regards to BC:
    They say all previous gen games will be playable on the Series X, in what context are we talking? Say just downloading them off Xbox Live then playing them, or if we have our old games laying around, the Series X will read the old discs and we can play them no problem?
    IE... NCAA 14.
    It will be games that are backwards compatible with the Xbox One. So no NCAA.
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    The only thing Microsoft is missing is 1st Party Games, and I think they'll get that addressed for the new generation coming up. Powerful System (Xbox Series X), Excellent Ecosystem (Gamepass) Xbox Live, and a whole Lotta Money to make it happen
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    WaddupCouzin
    The only thing Microsoft is missing is 1st Party Games, and I think they'll get that addressed for the new generation coming up. Powerful System (Xbox Series X), Excellent Ecosystem (Gamepass) Xbox Live, and a whole Lotta Money to make it happen
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    In addition to 1st party games, I think Microsoft needs in on an exclusive comic book property. It's probably just the recent Spawn DLC on MK11 and me watching the HBO series on Youtube, but I think Spawn would be great for Microsoft. Spawn is well known enough, most people regard him as a bad MFer, and his source material is such that you could take some liberties and flesh it out. I know some people are tired of the old Arkham formula, but it works and those games sell well. I think that a well written Spawn game with the muscle of the Series X could do for Spawn what Rocksteady did for Batman.
    Junior Moe
    In addition to 1st party games, I think Microsoft needs in on an exclusive comic book property. It's probably just the recent Spawn DLC on MK11 and me watching the HBO series on Youtube, but I think Spawn would be great for Microsoft. Spawn is well known enough, most people regard him as a bad MFer, and his source material is such that you could take some liberties and flesh it out. I know some people are tired of the old Arkham formula, but it works and those games sell well. I think that a well written Spawn game with the muscle of the Series X could do for Spawn what Rocksteady did for Batman.

    Or Superman. In the past Superman games weren't that good. But with the power of Series X, whatever past console limitations should be lifted. A well-written and balanced Superman could be a good option for Microsoft.
    I agree that they do need to step up their 1st party games. With all the power of Series X, I would like to see by Year 3 games that take full advantage of Series X specs. I think HellBlade 2 is a few years away. So that could be one of the first Series X exclusives. But it does need more AAA 1st Party games not just AA games.
    I don't think Superman or Spawn move the needle much. Superman is a god, which is problematic in many respects.
    Finance the next Marvel Ultimate Alliance game though, and you'll have everyone's attention.
    With mutants and Fantastic Four on the verge of joining the MCU perhaps there is where the opportunity exists.
    A comic book property in general isn't something I've felt like was missing though.
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    mestevo
    I don't think Superman or Spawn move the needle much. Superman is a god, which is problematic in many respects.
    Finance the next Marvel Ultimate Alliance game though, and you'll have everyone's attention.
    With mutants and Fantastic Four on the verge of joining the MCU perhaps there is where the opportunity exists.
    A comic book property in general isn't something I've felt like was missing though.
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    I can see that with Superman. Problem with Superman is he is too powerful so would need to really scale him back. Which in scaling him back, takes away from a true Superman experience.
    I agree it doesn't NEED a comic book experience. Just a high quality AAA exclusive.
    illwill10
    I can see that with Superman. Problem with Superman is he is too powerful so would need to really scale him back. Which in scaling him back, takes away from a true Superman experience.
    I agree it doesn't NEED a comic book experience. Just a high quality AAA exclusive.
    Do something like Blade, Vampire experience, an Anti-hero that's not God like Powerful.
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    mestevo
    I don't think Superman or Spawn move the needle much. Superman is a god, which is problematic in many respects.
    Finance the next Marvel Ultimate Alliance game though, and you'll have everyone's attention.
    With mutants and Fantastic Four on the verge of joining the MCU perhaps there is where the opportunity exists.
    A comic book property in general isn't something I've felt like was missing though.
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    I don't think that a AAA comic book property moves the needle so much as I think that one could help shore up the Xbox library. Everyone and their mother knows that Xbox needs to get it together with 1st party games; Microsoft is on it and I expect to see some good things next gen.
    It's just that I think a comic book property has a better chance of resonating with fans than a whole new IP. I'm sure some of the Xbox exclusives will be a hit with the quality of studios they have working on them, but some will not meet expectations as is the norm. Comic book properties have a baked in lore and most people have a general idea of what they are, it just comes down to if the game is good or not. That's an easier bar to meet IMO than creating a Gears of War out the gate that blows everyone away.
    I saw that HellBlade 2 trailer and my jaw dropped, that's easily the best looking videogame I have ever seen. I didn't have a clue what was going on so I looked up HellBlade 1 and I plan on playing it before the next gen. If that were Xmen or Spawn or whatever, I would know what it was, more or less.
    WaddupCouzin
    Do something like Blade, Vampire experience, an Anti-hero that's not God like Powerful.
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    That's why I think Spawn is good. It's dark and gritty, he has some cool powers that aren't represented in gaming really, and he has obvious weaknesses as well. I could see Spawn filling that vicious God of War 1-3 void, or even scaling back to more of an Arkham scale where it can still be dark but not too graphic.
    mestevo
    I don't think Superman or Spawn move the needle much. Superman is a god, which is problematic in many respects.
    Finance the next Marvel Ultimate Alliance game though, and you'll have everyone's attention.
    With mutants and Fantastic Four on the verge of joining the MCU perhaps there is where the opportunity exists.
    A comic book property in general isn't something I've felt like was missing though.
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    It's really just missing stuff like Horizon or Uncharted...games that aren't Gears or Forza. I'm sure they're working on stuff like this as well (and Obsidian RPG like Outer Worlds will be nice).
    I don't miss a comic franchise, more just miss the variety of games but they're working on that. If some of the cancelled games had hit better then it would have help (Scalebound should have been fun!)
    I watched that Digital Foundry breakdown of the XsX's design and I came away very impressed. It is a beast. The GPU power they squeezed in there with the efficient airflow and it is still supposed to be as quiet as the One X, pretty amazing.
    I am expecting to pay at least 499 bucks but we will see how that goes.
    The first party lineup may pale compared to Sony's but I think MS will bridge that gap as the generation progresses. Game Pass is such a great deal too, what a killer backlog waiting to happen for anyone just discovering it.
    I plan on getting both consoles at launch, provided I can get them without too much hassle. As long as I can get both for around the price of the newest iPhone I'm good. My wife buys the newest model every other year. I expect to get 8 to 10 years of quality gaming out of these. That's great value IMO.
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    Just came to post that interview with Spencer. Good interview and info. Can definitely see only a few launch titles from Microsoft with the majority being third parties. Halo Infinite, Gears Tactics (console) and Forza Horizon 5 would still be an amazing launch as all three have the opportunity to be 90+ at launch. That would be one hell of a way to kick off Xbox Series X.
    I listened to it yesterday, its always good to hear Phil talk shop. He always comes across as being very transparent. I like when Tyan asked him about The PS5 reveal and his answer about the Series X. .
    As I mentioned before, they have the Ecosystem in place, now they just need to nail the games, and I think they're going to do that this time around.
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    WaddupCouzin
    I listened to it yesterday, its always good to hear Phil talk shop. He always comes across as being very transparent. I like when Tyan asked him about The PS5 reveal and his answer about the Series X. .
    As I mentioned before, they have the Ecosystem in place, now they just need to nail the games, and I think they're going to do that this time around.
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    They're variable and competitive on price from reading articles from Phil. It's going to be interesting, but I'm guessing they won't be a lot more than 50 bucks more. Not sure if PS5 can pull off 400 or not, but if it's 450 then MS will probably be ok at 500 unless they really want to hit Sony and pay for it.
    I saw they don't have a optical audio jack and Phil was saying that it's about cost/reward, so you gotta know they're trying to keep prices down a lot.
    sounds powerful - however the naming is just so dumb - I have an "xbox one x" next one is "xbox series x"
    as lame as just counting up can seem it's just a lot more organized and easier for the public to understand (and not make a mess of)
    I guarantee people will buy a one x thinking they are getting the 'new' one.
    Even though it happens all the time, it's always surprising to me when this happens - just through regular work experience and knowing how much resources corporations put into 'branding' - if you plucked someone random out of a room of 50 people, odds are you'd have a better name for the next console.
    "series" X ... maybe like a BMW "the 3 series" - but there are not a 'series' under the 'x' banner ... and even if you say the 'one x' is part of that 'series' then how is the naming convention one that makes sense? the 'newest' one has less words, making it seem 'earlier' in the succession. I have an xbox one x, and now I have an xbox x or series x... .wtf lol
    allBthere
    sounds powerful - however the naming is just so dumb - I have an "xbox one x" next one is "xbox series x"
    as lame as just counting up can seem it's just a lot more organized and easier for the public to understand (and not make a mess of)
    I guarantee people will buy a one x thinking they are getting the 'new' one.
    Even though it happens all the time, it's always surprising to me when this happens - just through regular work experience and knowing how much resources corporations put into 'branding' - if you plucked someone random out of a room of 50 people, odds are you'd have a better name for the next console.
    "series" X ... maybe like a BMW "the 3 series" - but there are not a 'series' under the 'x' banner ... and even if you say the 'one x' is part of that 'series' then how is the naming convention one that makes sense? the 'newest' one has less words, making it seem 'earlier' in the succession. I have an xbox one x, and now I have an xbox x or series x... .wtf lol

    It will be marketed as Xbox. Other older models will be presumably phased out and we'll probably see a lesser model as an alternative to the enthusiast series X.
    Or are you yourself confused?
    WaddupCouzin
    I listened to it yesterday, its always good to hear Phil talk shop. He always comes across as being very transparent. I like when Tyan asked him about The PS5 reveal and his answer about the Series X. .
    As I mentioned before, they have the Ecosystem in place, now they just need to nail the games, and I think they're going to do that this time around.
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    mgoblue
    They're variable and competitive on price from reading articles from Phil. It's going to be interesting, but I'm guessing they won't be a lot more than 50 bucks more. Not sure if PS5 can pull off 400 or not, but if it's 450 then MS will probably be ok at 500 unless they really want to hit Sony and pay for it.
    I saw they don't have a optical audio jack and Phil was saying that it's about cost/reward, so you gotta know they're trying to keep prices down a lot.

    That was a very good interview with Phil and I liked how Ryan was pressing some of the tougher questions with him towards the end. The great thing with Phil is that he is likable and transparent when getting his message across, none of the confusing BS that goes on with some of the other companies.
    Microsoft this go around needs to really work on nailing some of the first party games this time and building some new IP. Halo, Gears, and Forza X/H need a bit of a breather this gen. They should still release games from each series, but spread them out. Time to concentrate in putting more resources on creating some new IP like they have with Ori, State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, etc. State of Decay 2 is a good game and with more money and a bigger marketing push they can nail something special with a State of Decay 3.
    I would love for them to resurrect franchises like Fable, Banjo-Kazooie, Perfect Dark, and even how Phil mentioned Mech Assault.
    Does anyone know this:
    Will the new Xbox support games that can upload external images?
    For example...
    The Xbox 360 could handle it for games like PES where you could upload created images
    For XB1 this wasn't possible.
    I don't think anyone knows that with any certainty, not sure if that's a platform limitation or a game limitation.
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    Is it time to start asking if these consoles will really launch this year in what is most likely going to be a completely shot economy?
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    XtremeDunkz
    Is it time to start asking if these consoles will really launch this year in what is most likely going to be a completely shot economy?
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    The nice thing w/ this ecosystem is the software isn't dependent on the hardware, and vice versa. They could push the launch to spring (I don't expect this to happen) and all the related software could still launch and be playable.
    I'll be playing a lot of these titles on PC anyways myself.
    49UNCFan
    Wonder what's the chance of us seeing Madden or 2k
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    Madden's hype train usually starts around now. Typically most of the info is released May to early July(Online information). I think Microsoft has a marketing deal with EA, so there is a chance. But, EA has yet to confirm their EA Play 2020 plans. I wouldn't be surprised if they push their EA Play to late June/early July since sports games are the usually the nearest games to release for EA and uncertainty about sports seasons.
    2k definitely no chance. 2k usually isn't promoted until July. 2k is apart of the IGN summer digital conference. I still don't see them revealing NBA 2k there. They usually show stuff at Gamescon, but that was cancelled. But the main problem with 2k is the current NBA season vs. Next season and we don't know when the draft will be. We aren't sure when or if they will continue the current season and if next one will start in December. Then the draft wouldn't happen until current season is over or cancelled.
    With Sports games being the precursor for the sports season, I think the sports games will stay within the month of start of the 20-21 seasons. I have lesser doubts that the NFL season will start on time versus NBA season not starting until possibly December. So, I expect the Madden info rollout to be as normal. But NBA 2k is tricky. Do you release game in early September, when possibly the current NBA season just ended. And/or do you release in early September when possibly the 20-21 season doesn't start until December. That's a possible 3 month gap between game and season actually starting. If the next season doesn't start on time, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the NBA 2k21 is delayed into a cross-gen launch title for next gen. I would rather stay within a month of 20-21 season starting and using that extra time to release higher quality game
    Six days to go!!! So very hyped!!!
    Assassin's Creed VALHALLA has been confirmed to have their reveal gameplay trailer and im expecting Cyberpunk 2077, Outriders, Dying Light 2 and Elden Ring to be on the showcase. And if rumors are accurate that Microsoft has the marketing deal for it then we could definitely see Watch Dogs Legion as well.
    Can't wait to see what these games look like running off Xbox Series X as that's how I will be playing all of them. Is it November yet???
    I'm definitely looking for to the Inside Xbox. Next gen games were the main things I was waiting for. I'm hoping to see a generational leap in gameplay not just graphics. I just hope it isn't just CG trailer and/or games shown on Xbox 1X version. I want to see actual Series X gameplay
    illwill10
    I'm definitely looking for to the Inside Xbox. Next gen games were the main things I was waiting for. I'm hoping to see a generational leap in gameplay not just graphics. I just hope it isn't just CG trailer and/or games shown on Xbox 1X version. I want to see actual Series X gameplay

    From what I understand, all the games that will be shown are in-game running on Series X and is all gameplay. Would defeat the purpose if it's not.
    donkey33
    Will we need new TV's to take advantage of the Series X? Assume none are on the market yet?
    You'll need 4K, but I think that's pretty standard by now.
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    donkey33
    Will we need new TV's to take advantage of the Series X? Assume none are on the market yet?

    WaddupCouzin
    You'll need 4K, but I think that's pretty standard by now.
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    At bare minimum, I think 4k 120hz should be good enough. But if you want to take advantage of next gen hardware, then you would want a 4k TV that has HDMI 2.1, VRR, DLI, Freesync, and other techy stuff lol. I hear that LG B9/C9/CX are good 4k TVs for gaming. Also higher tier Samsung are more likely to have the AMD Freesync tech while the LG tvs mostly have G-Sync. I'm more than certain these TV companies will start hyping TVs that are compatible starting in summer. So I expect to see Black Friday deals for those compatible Tv's.
    Its funny because my stepson wants his mom to buy him a Series X for Xmas. He has no idea of needing a compatible TV. He just wants the most powerful console. I gave him one of my old Tv's and that TV does at best 1080i lol. I've been debating on getting a newer TV. The TV I have in my room can do 4k 120. But it will be 3 years old by November so It won't have the HDMI 2.1 and other features. But I know if I really want to get a new TV this year. I barely used the TV in my room in the last 5 months. I already have the money saved up for console. But don't really want to dish out at least $2000 for a Console and TV(not counting games), then debating on getting new phone and labtop. If it is a situation where a compatible TV has a black Friday deal for $800-1000, I might be tempted. If not, I'm okay with waiting a year.
    donkey33
    Thanks
    Yeah, this could get expensive haha. Series X and looks like I'll need a TV with HDMI 2.1 that doesn't crush the wallet.
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    I’m not certain but I think the C9 is around $1300 for the 55” and should still be more than good enough for next gen. My hopes is that by Black Friday that TV or something similar goes under $1000
    It’s going to be a situation where some people are going to have to spend $2200-2500+ at launch when you consider console, tv, multiple games, another controller, and any other compatible devices. I’m definitely not going to be one of them lol
    mestevo
    Only enthusiasts will need a new TV. Most will be just fine with any 4K TV.
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    I agree. Unless it is a great deal, I’m more than fine with my 4K TV. I don’t want to upgrade unless TV feels outdated or great deal
    Thanks, that's what I want to hear. I'm definitely not an enthusiast so spending a ton on a new TV isn't something I'd want to do but had no idea if the normal 4K TV's will still be fine for the Series X.
    Just had no idea what additions beyond a normal 4K TV will bring.
    I'm loving what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox brand and lead up to Series X right now. They have been on fire and hitting on all cylinders since X019.
    Greenberg said the show is under an hour so probably in the 40 minute range. Expecting around 8 or so games to be shown all running off of Series X and like stated in that article, fully optimized as well. Expecting them to be with Microsoft in terms of who has the marketing deal and a few of them if not all of them to be in the Smart Delivery program which allows you to buy the Xbox One version and upgrade to the Series X version for free.
    Haven't been this hyped for Xbox since Gears 3 in 2011. Two more days to go!!! Let's go, let's go!!!
    TV wise, im all in on the LG CX 55" OLED later this summer. Want to be 100% ready for next generation!!!
    The guys in the TV thread here are always very helpful I know they have helped me out as I do research on upgrading before November. So I recommend saving that to your threads on here.
    Overall, the Inside Xbox was meh. Not much that screams out "next gen". I didn't have high expectations but they hyped it up as gameplay. Just "in-engine" game trailers. It would have been better off actual gameplay that shows off what the power of Series X can do
    The Yakuza game does look interesting, I never played any Yakuzas, but I will give it a try.
    I didn't get to watch much of it, but I'd expect to see more gameplay from publishers/developers now that this event has completed where it makes sense. Some like EA will of course hold out anything for their own event in June.
    Watched Inside Xbox and the biggest negatives were -
    1. Assassin's Creed Valhalla showing an in-engine trailer instead of actual gameplay. Something had to change because up until yesterday, it was announced as actual gameplay.
    2. Putting "gameplay" into the headline is arguably majority's biggest issue. If they just removed that word, they would have been fine.
    3. Streaming wasn't the highest quality. After each reveal, every game was posted on Xbox YouTube page at 4K/60FPS. Seems that the video should have been uploaded as it was previously recorded instead of live streamed.
    Positives -
    1. They announced at the start that the July Inside Xbox will be all their first party games including gameplay of Halo Infinite and Shinobi062 says that third parties will also be on that show. I'm now fully expecting it to be the AAA titles as opposed to the AA/Indies that were shown today.
    2. Enjoyed the format. Very little talking and wasting time. Just give me game trailer after game trailer.
    3. Bright Memory Infinite looks great and it's being developed and made by one freaking guy. Insane. There is a preview on Steam which is Episode 1 if I remember correctly. Said to be good but short.
    4. The Ascent looks like a superior version of Ruiner. Definitely hyped for this game.
    5. Other games im interested in is Chorus, The Medium, Second Extinction and Bloodlines 2.
    Overall, would probably rate it a 6/10. It was fine. They just needed to remove "gameplay" from the headline and let it be known that it was mostly going to be AA showcase. These two things would have solved the problem easily.
    WaddupCouzin
    Bright Memory Infinite looked crazy!
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    Been on PC for a while, and that footage they showed is playable on PC right now if you have an Nvidia card.
    I don't know how to feel about automatic HDR. I don't think we are at a point technologically where it is going to look all that great for a lot of titles.
    The Xbox BC team is simply freaking incredible. It's amazing what they've accomplished in the last five years. I'm hoping for Alan Wake in Native 4K, 60FPS and HDR!!!
    I am only buying one system for at least the first year. I have grown to be an Xbox guy so I am leaning towards this. However I have to be able to play MLB The Show. It's the only reason I have a PS4. I know it's going multi-platform, but I hope it's gonna be next year and not another year after that. If not next year, then I will have a touch decision to make.
    PVarck31
    I am only buying one system for at least the first year. I have grown to be an Xbox guy so I am leaning towards this. However I have to be able to play MLB The Show. It's the only reason I have a PS4. I know it's going multi-platform, but I hope it's gonna be next year and not another year after that. If not next year, then I will have a touch decision to make.
    PV:
    I thought there announcement of going multi-plat was for the 2021 season? Wouldn't that mean Xbox owners would get it March 2021 like Sony does? They didn't mention 6 month exclusives or anything like that.
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    PVarck31
    I am only buying one system for at least the first year. I have grown to be an Xbox guy so I am leaning towards this. However I have to be able to play MLB The Show. It's the only reason I have a PS4. I know it's going multi-platform, but I hope it's gonna be next year and not another year after that. If not next year, then I will have a touch decision to make.

    It was said to be next year, 2021. Even if it isn't, you own a PS4 so you'll still be able to play it without buying a PS5.
    peter42O
    Saw this yesterday. Highly doubtful but Microsoft should release the Xbox Series X at $400 and in 2022 once Xbox One is no longer manufactured, release Xbox Series S at $200. I believe that Microsoft should be very aggressive with the price.

    Although the CEO is finally fully on board with the Xbox division being truly competitive in the gaming space, I don't think that Microsoft will go that far in terms of eating that kind of loss on the new consoles. $500 and $300 is what I expect because those price still have them losing money on the hardware, just not a ridiculous amount.
    jfsolo
    Although the CEO is finally fully on board with the Xbox division being truly competitive in the gaming space, I don't think that Microsoft will go that far in terms of eating that kind of loss on the new consoles. $500 and $300 is what I expect because those price still have them losing money on the hardware, just not a ridiculous amount.

    Yeah, im realistically expecting $500 and $300 as well but the cheaper model will be the model that 90% of consumers purchase which means that the $500 model would be sitting on store shelves which still makes it a monetary loss. Better to lose money on the console with it being in consumers homes as opposed to on store shelves.
    mestevo
    $399 Series X and $200 Series S would be hard to keep in stock. Would love it at those prices, and if they can pull those off I think we can thank the success of Game Pass allowing them to price at those levels.
    https://bgr.com/2020/06/17/xbox-series-x-price-series-x-cheaper-than-ps5-digital-edition/

    Thinking about it, im expecting Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S to be launched on the same day at $500 and $300 but if Microsoft can somehow release them at $400 and $200, that would be absolutely massive for the brand and platform.
    Ive said a lot in the past that I would be skipping Xbox altogether and opt for a PC build instead... But if those really are the prices, i think id just get an Xbox too. Im wondering how much of a performance hit the Lockhart console will take, because cheaper digital consoles are VERY enticing for me as I hate having disks nowadays.
    itsmb8
    Ive said a lot in the past that I would be skipping Xbox altogether and opt for a PC build instead... But if those really are the prices, i think id just get an Xbox too. Im wondering how much of a performance hit the Lockhart console will take, because cheaper digital consoles are VERY enticing for me as I hate having disks nowadays.

    The rumors regarding Lockhart (aka Series S) is that it's exactly the same as Xbox Series X but with a few exceptions -
    - 4TF Navi GPU
    - Digital Only console
    - Much More compact
    Main difference is the GPU in which maximum resolution would be 1080P-1440P. If you don't have a 4K HDR TV or plan on getting one, this would probably be your best bet if you want a gaming console. CPU, RAM and SSD all remain the same as Xbox Series X.
    I thought I'd read or heard somewhere that Lockhart could just end up being a dongle of some sort. Am I thinking of a different product that just isn't discussed very often?
    if I could just get access to project X cloud and streaming from my other consoles in the home, at any of my TVs with a dongle, that would change gaming in my household.
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    mestevo
    I thought I'd read or heard somewhere that Lockhart could just end up being a dongle of some sort. Am I thinking of a different product that just isn't discussed very often?
    if I could just get access to project X cloud and streaming from my other consoles in the home, at any of my TVs with a dongle, that would change gaming in my household.

    I have heard/read that but not in regards to Lockhart. xCloud could end up being similar to Amazon's Fire Stick down the line for those who want to go that route.
    peter42O
    The rumors regarding Lockhart (aka Series S) is that it's exactly the same as Xbox Series X but with a few exceptions -
    - 4TF Navi GPU
    - Digital Only console
    - Much More compact
    Main difference is the GPU in which maximum resolution would be 1080P-1440P. If you don't have a 4K HDR TV or plan on getting one, this would probably be your best bet if you want a gaming console. CPU, RAM and SSD all remain the same as Xbox Series X.

    If thats the case, im immediately out. I literally just invested in a CX OLED that I plan on lasting me until affordable MicroLED is out, so theres no way im buying a console that wont utilize the TV specs.
    itsmb8
    If thats the case, im immediately out. I literally just invested in a CX OLED that I plan on lasting me until affordable MicroLED is out, so theres no way im buying a console that wont utilize the TV specs.

    Okay. Series X will be for you then if you decide to stay with consoles. Majority don't believe that it will go past $500 so I would assume that will be for you unless you decide to go the PC route.
    peter42O
    Okay. Series X will be for you then if you decide to stay with consoles. Majority don't believe that it will go past $500 so I would assume that will be for you unless you decide to go the PC route.

    I would much rather buy a PC, but youd have to factor in a desk, monitor, keyboard, speakers, as well as the PC build itself so youd be looking at $3k-$4k instead of just $500 for the XSX, so that's what ill probably be getting.
    itsmb8
    I would much rather buy a PC, but youd have to factor in a desk, monitor, keyboard, speakers, as well as the PC build itself so youd be looking at $3k-$4k instead of just $500 for the XSX, so that's what ill probably be getting.

    Jeez, that's expensive. Hope you enjoy the Xbox Series X as much as I will. :)
    If the rumors that this Series S is going to be $200 is true I will buy this along with the PS5. Ive never bought a Xbox before but for $200 and the exclusives that are supposed to come out Im ok doing it at that price point.
    itsmb8
    If thats the case, im immediately out. I literally just invested in a CX OLED that I plan on lasting me until affordable MicroLED is out, so theres no way im buying a console that wont utilize the TV specs.
    Wich CX did you get? I just pulled the trigger on the 48"
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    I just think $200 is too cheap for a next gen console. If the rumors are true about the main difference from the Series X is that it will be a 4 TF and most likely digital. it would benefit from SSD, CPU(probably clocked a little lower). I think $300 is a more logical price. As long as you are at least $100 cheaper than the All Digital PS5, that should entice those who wants the next gen experience but at lowest cost. $200 seems like the price if they wanted to quickly phase out the Xbox One generation. But since their first party will support current gen for the first year or 2, they aren't trying to phase it out as quickly. I like the pro-consumer routes they are taking. It just seems like they are taking the PC approach. Where they don't care which console you play on, they just want you in their ecosystem. I think it is more likely Microsoft matches the Sony price than to undercut with the Series X. While it was BS when they said they are not competing with Sony or Nintendo, I don't see them undercutting price especially with Phil Spencer saying it is okay if you don't want to buy the Series X this year. I think it is best for Xbox to match Price(I'm thinking $500) and going for the "Power" crown as it's selling point over Sony. While I definitely think Sony will continue to outsell Xbox, I don't think it will be as lopsided as this generation.
    While I'm not getting a Xbox, I'm definitely looking forward to the July event. I hope to see some visually stunning games. Xbox just have to prove that it is more than just Forza, Halo, and Gears. Sony has proven that Single Player games can still sell very well. They need more quality exclusives. While it was very pro-consumer to support current gen with 1st party exclusives, they should have had at least some exclusives for the Series X only. It would have been great to have a few games that were fully optimized for the Series X at the beginning. If they still have to support Launch Xbox One and the Series S is real, then their first party developers would have to optimize games for SIX different consoles until they cut off current gen. You can scale graphics but not design. So exclusives will be held back until they cut off last gen. They will still have to run properly on all last gen consoles. So I can see their SSD not being fully utilized in their games outside of fast loading initially. Even Series S would hold it back some. Because in best case scenarios, Series S exclusives would lower resolution and graphical effects.
    But a $250-300 next gen console that can at least hit 1080p60, SSD benefits, and still gives you the next gen experience is a great option for a secondary console. Pair that with Gamepass to play the first party exclusive games, that is a good option. I wouldn't do it because I prefer just one console and you would be getting a downgrade experience of an exclusive
    Games have been released on multiple platforms simultaneously for decades, this refrain that the Series X games will be not as good because the same title will be released on other platforms doesn't really make much sense to me.
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    illwill10
    I just think $200 is too cheap for a next gen console. If the rumors are true about the main difference from the Series X is that it will be a 4 TF and most likely digital. it would benefit from SSD, CPU(probably clocked a little lower). I think $300 is a more logical price. As long as you are at least $100 cheaper than the All Digital PS5, that should entice those who wants the next gen experience but at lowest cost. $200 seems like the price if they wanted to quickly phase out the Xbox One generation. But since their first party will support current gen for the first year or 2, they aren't trying to phase it out as quickly. I like the pro-consumer routes they are taking. It just seems like they are taking the PC approach. Where they don't care which console you play on, they just want you in their ecosystem. I think it is more likely Microsoft matches the Sony price than to undercut with the Series X. While it was BS when they said they are not competing with Sony or Nintendo, I don't see them undercutting price especially with Phil Spencer saying it is okay if you don't want to buy the Series X this year. I think it is best for Xbox to match Price(I'm thinking $500) and going for the "Power" crown as it's selling point over Sony. While I definitely think Sony will continue to outsell Xbox, I don't think it will be as lopsided as this generation.

    I do believe that $300 is the more realistic price but I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if it's $200. Xbox One X has already been discontinued and I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox One S / All Digital Editions gets phased out as well because with Xbox Series S, they can do so if they so choose.
    The exclusives being on Xbox One as well as Xbox Series X is most likely just for a few titles - Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5, Forza Motorsport 8 and Gears Tactics (console version). Everwild and Hellblade 2 is Series X/S only as will other titles that are shown in July.
    I personally don't see cross-gen as a big deal because its the same as PC. Games simply get scaled. Unless it's a design decision, there won't be any difference outside of visuals. Looking at Sony, Spider Man: Miles Morales is using the map from the PS4 base game and all the assets. It's NOT built from the ground up so honestly, not much if any of a difference if any whatsoever between that game and those few Xbox titles I mentioned.
    Spencer said what he said because he's trying to build hype for xCloud which is going to be by far the best game streaming service and him saying that people don't have to buy a Series X this year has more to do with Covid-19 and a lot of people not having the money to spend which is very legitimate as outside of hardcore fans, majority will wait.
    I believe that Microsoft and Xbox wins North America, being close in Europe and close overall. I also believe Xbox Series X/S wins November and December in NPD. But all remains to be seen.
    illwill10
    While I'm not getting a Xbox, I'm definitely looking forward to the July event. I hope to see some visually stunning games. Xbox just have to prove that it is more than just Forza, Halo, and Gears. Sony has proven that Single Player games can still sell very well. They need more quality exclusives. While it was very pro-consumer to support current gen with 1st party exclusives, they should have had at least some exclusives for the Series X only. It would have been great to have a few games that were fully optimized for the Series X at the beginning. If they still have to support Launch Xbox One and the Series S is real, then their first party developers would have to optimize games for SIX different consoles until they cut off current gen. You can scale graphics but not design. So exclusives will be held back until they cut off last gen. They will still have to run properly on all last gen consoles. So I can see their SSD not being fully utilized in their games outside of fast loading initially. Even Series S would hold it back some. Because in best case scenarios, Series S exclusives would lower resolution and graphical effects.

    The July event is said to be one hell of a show from behind the scenes. So far, all of the Xbox fans/podcasts I follow have been hearing nothing but positives about the show. Halo Infinite will be the main event for the show, expect Forza Horizon and Motorsport, Hellblade 2 gameplay plus Fable which is meant to be their "Witcher 3" and The Initiative is rumored to be working on a Mature story driven third person reboot of Perfect Dark. Obsidian is also working on a Mature "skyrim" type RPG. Only a few games will be cross-gen. Once 2022 hits, that will be no more unless it's a small game like Battletoads, etc. which to be honest, who even cares? LOL.
    As for design, with the exception of Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, there wasn't a single cross-gen game that was held back by Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 as far as I know. Games always get developed with the lowest common denominator in mind which will be PC when the new consoles launch because an SSD isn't required. Of course, look at what games are now with a mechanical HDD. It's insane.
    Series S isn't going to hold the games back for Series X. Only the resolution and some graphical effects will be affected. Not game design.
    illwill10
    But a $250-300 next gen console that can at least hit 1080p60, SSD benefits, and still gives you the next gen experience is a great option for a secondary console. Pair that with Gamepass to play the first party exclusive games, that is a good option. I wouldn't do it because I prefer just one console and you would be getting a downgrade experience of an exclusive

    Series S will be for those who don't own or plan to own a 4K HDR TV. You get to play next gen titles but at a lower resolution. As of the end of 2019, only 30% of consumers own a 4K TV and that's not gamers, that's people in general. Look at sales for PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Both are under 10% and 20% respectively because the investment is much higher due to them being more for 4K TV's.
    For example, im day one for Xbox Series X (and PS5) but the entry cost will be far past $1000. It will be around $3000 as im buying the LG OLED CX 55" TV. The vast majority of consumers simply aren't going to do this.
    I'm expecting a great show in July and will definitely start to make people forget about Xbox One and simply be ready to move on to Xbox Series X.
    peter42O
    The rumors regarding Lockhart (aka Series S) is that it's exactly the same as Xbox Series X but with a few exceptions -
    - 4TF Navi GPU
    - Digital Only console
    - Much More compact
    Main difference is the GPU in which maximum resolution would be 1080P-1440P. If you don't have a 4K HDR TV or plan on getting one, this would probably be your best bet if you want a gaming console. CPU, RAM and SSD all remain the same as Xbox Series X.

    I read it’s actually stronger than the current X and will be smaller. At $200 if true it will put Xbox in a good spot
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    Series S will be for those who don't own or plan to own a 4K HDR TV. You get to play next gen titles but at a lower resolution. As of the end of 2019, only 30% of consumers own a 4K TV and that's not gamers, that's people in general. Look at sales for PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. Both are under 10% and 20% respectively because the investment is much higher due to them being more for 4K TV's.
    For example, im day one for Xbox Series X (and PS5) but the entry cost will be far past $1000. It will be around $3000 as im buying the LG OLED CX 55" TV. The vast majority of consumers simply aren't going to do this.
    I'm expecting a great show in July and will definitely start to make people forget about Xbox One and simply be ready to move on to Xbox Series X.

    This is exactly what im doing. Im getting the PS5 digital as I only buy digital games now, but if the XSS is non 4k Im 100% getting the X.
    Btw, the CX is phenomenal.
Artman22
I read it’s actually stronger than the current X and will be smaller. At $200 if true it will put Xbox in a good spot

You mean the Xbox One X? If so, Series S will in fact be more powerful because the GPU is Navi as opposed to Xbox One's GCN GPU. Even at $300, Series S will be a great value.
itsmb8
This is exactly what im doing. Im getting the PS5 digital as I only buy digital games now, but if the XSS is non 4k Im 100% getting the X.
Btw, the CX is phenomenal.

Agree with the first part because if you have a great 4K TV, buying the Series S would be a waste of money especially when that money could go towards the Series X.
Great to know. I'm planning on buying it in September/October. Can't wait!!!
I already have a Samsung QLED 4K TV, and I'm getting both systems (Xbox Base System and PS5 for exclusives). I really want Xbox to come out swinging this generation because they have the necessary Ecosystem in place, all they need are the games to match.
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WaddupCouzin
I already have a Samsung QLED 4K TV, and I'm getting both systems (Xbox Base System and PS5 for exclusives). I really want Xbox to come out swinging this generation because they have the necessary Ecosystem in place, all they need are the games to match.
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Same boat. I wish Xbox had great exclusives but really all they have that I like is Halo. Sony has Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU.. and those are just my personal favorites.
itsmb8
Same boat. I wish Xbox had great exclusives but really all they have that I like is Halo. Sony has Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU.. and those are just my personal favorites.

I do think Xbox is going to try to bring it this gen with exclusives. Plain simply, they have too. Out if their 15 Game Studios, they do have some top tier studios. With the Power advantage over PS5, would like to see some visually stunning CPU/GPU intensive games that PS5 couldn't run at that fidelity. Xbox just needs to target more single player experiences.
They should target to have at least 1-2 major exclusives every year.
WaddupCouzin
I already have a Samsung QLED 4K TV, and I'm getting both systems (Xbox Base System and PS5 for exclusives). I really want Xbox to come out swinging this generation because they have the necessary Ecosystem in place, all they need are the games to match.

itsmb8
Same boat. I wish Xbox had great exclusives but really all they have that I like is Halo. Sony has Spiderman, Days Gone, TLOU.. and those are just my personal favorites.

illwill10
I do think Xbox is going to try to bring it this gen with exclusives. Plain simply, they have too. Out if their 15 Game Studios, they do have some top tier studios. With the Power advantage over PS5, would like to see some visually stunning CPU/GPU intensive games that PS5 couldn't run at that fidelity. Xbox just needs to target more single player experiences. They should target to have at least 1-2 major exclusives every year.

Xbox Series X will have plenty of exclusives from their 15 first party studios including single player story driven games but the difference is that unlike Sony, they also give you multi-player as well for those who want to play online.
We all know about Halo Infinite which is said to be amazing and have one hell of a single player campaign but also have an MP which could be separate and free to purchase. Coalition is most likely working on Gears 6 which will conclude the Gears 4/5/6 trilogy story arcs with their later game rumored to be a new IP.
Rare has Everwild even though is further out and im still surprised Microsoft decided to show it since them showing games early in development usually end up going poorly. Ninja Theory has Hellblade 2 which is going to be awesome and Project Mara.
PlayGround is obviously working Forza Horizon 5 while their new studio is working on what is rumored to be Fable which is said to be their Witcher 3. The Initiative is working on a game that should be shown at their July event and is rumored to be a Perfect Dark reboot and possibly be in third person instead of first person.
Obsidian is rumored to be working on an AAA "skyrim" type RPG and most likely Outer Worlds 2. InXile has an AAA RPG in the works for after Wasteland 3.
No idea what Compulsion is working on but they have been elevated and could be working on an AAA title. Undead Labs is most likely working on their massive online multi-player State of Decay game which they have wanted to do for almost a decade.
Double Fine has Psychonauts 2 and another game in the works for next gen. We'll also be getting the console version of Gears Tactics later this year which is said to be great and im very much looking forward to it. They also have Flight Simulator 2020 and Age of Empires franchise for PC for those who like/enjoy those games.
There's also rumors that Microsoft could be acquiring more studios ranging from Splash Damage (Gears Tactics), Asobo (A Plague Tale, Flight Sim 2020), Techland (this is my personal hope, Dying Light 2) and Bloober Team (currently developing The Medium for Series X/PC which is said to have started as a Silent Hill game for Konami but was passed on).
Future of Xbox is very bright and has the most potential since the early/halfway point of Xbox 360. But everyone has to be patient and all the studio acquisitions only happened two years ago or less and it simply takes time plus I don't want to see games shown 3-4 years out like Sony does. I want to see games that are within the next two years.
I'm way more excited for Xbox Series X than I am for PlayStation 5, not just because Series X is the better overall gaming console but I don't know what to expect from their studios out of the rumors. With Sony, it's a given that we'll be getting sequels to all their PS4 exclusives with a new IP here and there (im expecting their new IP's to be half as much as it was for PS5 as they did that for PS4 and can now turn those PS4 new IP's into franchises on PS5 and possibly beyond). All of Sony's exclusives are great and im looking forward to the vast majority of them but at the same time, im not excited about them because we all can see them coming. It's just a matter of time where as with Microsoft and Xbox Series X, im the most hyped I have been for their brand in a decade. Both consoles will be excellent though.
peter42O
Xbox Series X will have plenty of exclusives from their 15 first party studios including single player story driven games but the difference is that unlike Sony, they also give you multi-player as well for those who want to play online.
We all know about Halo Infinite which is said to be amazing and have one hell of a single player campaign but also have an MP which could be separate and free to purchase. Coalition is most likely working on Gears 6 which will conclude the Gears 4/5/6 trilogy story arcs with their later game rumored to be a new IP.
Rare has Everwild even though is further out and im still surprised Microsoft decided to show it since them showing games early in development usually end up going poorly. Ninja Theory has Hellblade 2 which is going to be awesome and Project Mara.
PlayGround is obviously working Forza Horizon 5 while their new studio is working on what is rumored to be Fable which is said to be their Witcher 3. The Initiative is working on a game that should be shown at their July event and is rumored to be a Perfect Dark reboot and possibly be in third person instead of first person.
Obsidian is rumored to be working on an AAA "skyrim" type RPG and most likely Outer Worlds 2. InXile has an AAA RPG in the works for after Wasteland 3.
No idea what Compulsion is working on but they have been elevated and could be working on an AAA title. Undead Labs is most likely working on their massive online multi-player State of Decay game which they have wanted to do for almost a decade.
Double Fine has Psychonauts 2 and another game in the works for next gen. We'll also be getting the console version of Gears Tactics later this year which is said to be great and im very much looking forward to it. They also have Flight Simulator 2020 and Age of Empires franchise for PC for those who like/enjoy those games.
There's also rumors that Microsoft could be acquiring more studios ranging from Splash Damage (Gears Tactics), Asobo (A Plague Tale, Flight Sim 2020), Techland (this is my personal hope, Dying Light 2) and Bloober Team (currently developing The Medium for Series X/PC which is said to have started as a Silent Hill game for Konami but was passed on).
Future of Xbox is very bright and has the most potential since the early/halfway point of Xbox 360. But everyone has to be patient and all the studio acquisitions only happened two years ago or less and it simply takes time plus I don't want to see games shown 3-4 years out like Sony does. I want to see games that are within the next two years.
I'm way more excited for Xbox Series X than I am for PlayStation 5, not just because Series X is the better overall gaming console but I don't know what to expect from their studios out of the rumors. With Sony, it's a given that we'll be getting sequels to all their PS4 exclusives with a new IP here and there (im expecting their new IP's to be half as much as it was for PS5 as they did that for PS4 and can now turn those PS4 new IP's into franchises on PS5 and possibly beyond). All of Sony's exclusives are great and im looking forward to the vast majority of them but at the same time, im not excited about them because we all can see them coming. It's just a matter of time where as with Microsoft and Xbox Series X, im the most hyped I have been for their brand in a decade. Both consoles will be excellent though.

I get both systems every Gen and that won't change, but Next Gen I will not be getting the XSX day one, I will be getting the PS5 day one.
For me, the MS and xbox dropped the ball with me big time this gen for me. I don't feel like I got my moneys worth out of my One X. Yes game pass is nice, and I have the ultimate until the end of next year.
Out of those 15 studios don't think they are all releasing AAA games, because some are Indie games that I don't care for. Honest MS has a lot to prove this Gen and I hope they do prove Themselves.
RoyalBoyle78
I get both systems every Gen and that won't change, but Next Gen I will not be getting the XSX day one, I will be getting the PS5 day one.
For me, the MS and xbox dropped the ball with my big time this gen for me. I don't feel like I got my moneys worth out of my One X. Yes game pass is nice, and I have the ultimate until the end of next year.
Out of those 15 studios don't think they are all releasing AAA games, because some are Indie games that I don't care for. Honest MS has a lot to prove this Gen and I hope they do prove Themselves.

I agree. I like peter420's optimism. But Microsoft has to prove itself. I like Microsoft's approach so far. I'm sure July's event is going to bring it because Inside Xbox was a letdown.
They have some good studios, but a lot are going to be Indie and AA games for Gamepass content. But hope it isn't the scenario that you have to wait until they start making next gen exclusives to really see those quality games from first party. I'm sure Halo and Forza will be good, but have to bring it.
With PS5, you know what to expect. You'll get some quality PS4 exclusive sequels within first 3 years with a new IP or two. Then by mid gen you'll see them having more new IPs with news having better understanding of how to develop for console, then at the end of generation possibility of Horizon third game and Last of Us 3. So with Sony, you know what to expect for generation.
But I have more confidence with Xbox this time around. I'm sure there will be games towards mid to late gen that will look and play photorealistic
DJ
Wonder if Ninja will make the move or go back to Twitch? I know things didn't end well with Twitch when he jumped to Mixer.
I don't watch his content or Twitch/Mixer much at all, just genuinely curious.

Reportedly both Ninja and Shroud opted out of their contracts, but still got their $$ from the move. They're free to negotiate / stream wherever.
I don't watch Ninja either, but I enjoy watching Shroud / Bnans
RoyalBoyle78
I get both systems every Gen and that won't change, but Next Gen I will not be getting the XSX day one, I will be getting the PS5 day one.
For me, the MS and xbox dropped the ball with my big time this gen for me. I don't feel like I got my moneys worth out of my One X. Yes game pass is nice, and I have the ultimate until the end of next year.
Out of those 15 studios don't think they are all releasing AAA games, because some are Indie games that I don't care for. Honest MS has a lot to prove this Gen and I hope they do prove Themselves.

Completely understandable as I felt the same way about Xbox One and PlayStation 3. Both gave me 5 exclusives that I cared about but PS4 gave me 20 from Sony published titles alone. I see Xbox Series X doing for me what PS4 did for me after PS3.
They haven't even had their July event yet and I already have Halo Infinite and Hellblade 2 as guaranteed playthroughs with Everwild being 50/50. I also have a few exclusives from third party studios like The Ascent, Second Extinction and The Medium.
They will have more AAA titles than AA as all of the studios have been elevated and ramped up in money, resources and personnel.
I do agree that Microsoft's first party studios have a lot to prove but in fairness, outside 343 Industries, The Coalition and Turn 10, all of them have only been under Microsoft for two years or less.
Sony's studios took years if not decades to get where they are today. Gamers need to give those studios the same amount of time as it won't happen over night. The studio that needs to prove something now is 343 Industries with Halo Infinite. Turn 10 is great for Motorsport and Coalition has been great with Gears (at least the campaign anyway). Rest simply need time.
I'm buying both day one but Xbox Series X will be my primary like Xbox 360 was simply because I believe it to be the better overall console. Not just in specs but in the tools that they have for the console with no compromises whatsoever. PlayStation 5 will be for exclusives only and while they will be great, I know what to expect as you just have to look at the PS4 exclusives to know what's eventually coming where as with Microsoft, it's more of a mystery and that has me excited. Similar to PS4 with Horizon, God of War reboot, Spider Man, Days Gone, etc. No one was expecting those games until they were announced. That's how I see Series X being for next gen.
Series X future line up will be a lot clearer after their July event.
illwill10
I agree. I like peter420's optimism. But Microsoft has to prove itself. I like Microsoft's approach so far. I'm sure July's event is going to bring it because Inside Xbox was a letdown.
They have some good studios, but a lot are going to be Indie and AA games for Gamepass content. But hope it isn't the scenario that you have to wait until they start making next gen exclusives to really see those quality games from first party. I'm sure Halo and Forza will be good, but have to bring it.
With PS5, you know what to expect. You'll get some quality PS4 exclusive sequels within first 3 years with a new IP or two. Then by mid gen you'll see them having more new IPs with news having better understanding of how to develop for console, then at the end of generation possibility of Horizon third game and Last of Us 3. So with Sony, you know what to expect for generation.
But I have more confidence with Xbox this time around. I'm sure there will be games towards mid to late gen that will look and play photorealistic

To be perfectly honest, I see 343 Industries, The Coalition, Turn 10, Playground Games (both studios), The Initiative, Ninja Theory, Rare, Obsidian and InXile as all being AAA for next generation. Double Fine is 50/50 as is Undead Labs even though I do expect both especially Undead Labs to get a boost. Compulsion Games is the wildcard in my opinion.
I do believe that we'll see many new IP's from Sony as the majority will be sequels to the new IP's they established during the PS4 generation. We'll still get them but I would say, half as many as PS4.
The May Inside Xbox was disappointing but at the same time, I personally added Bright Memory Infinite, Scorn, The Medium, Second Extinction and The Ascent to my futurelog games list. Infinite is still to be determined but the other four as far as I know are console exclusives to Xbox with one or two being on Xbox One as well.
Watching them both a second time, I would rate the Inside Xbox show 6/10 as it was disappointing for two reasons - Greenberg overhyping the show as usual when he should have just said this will be a smaller third party showcase and no gameplay for AC Valhalla which was on Ubisoft as Microsoft doesn't determine what is shown by third party developers. Plus, no gameplay was said the day before so im guessing it got pulled or whatever.
The Sony show was a 7/10 because it had the same issues, no gameplay from the major first party titles. Spider Man is out in 5 months and you don't show gameplay? That makes no sense. Of course, since it seems to be using the PS4 map and assets, it probably explains why they didn't show gameplay plus I do believe the game has been rushed to have it done for launch. Horizon 2 looked great but it wasn't gameplay. I'm surprised they didn't show at least 30 seconds to a minute of actual gameplay. Demons' Souls no gameplay. Ratchet had the most gameplay which is fully understandable since I believe the game is done. Returnal looked good in the small 30 seconds of gameplay but it seems like it's further out. Gran Turismo 7 was fine. I believe that Forza Horizon 4 looks better and I don't even care about racing games whatsoever.
Worse of all, Sony hyped up the event as the future of gaming but yet started the show with GTA 5. Like, WTF? I could see if it was GTA 6. Like, okay but a 7 year old game is NOT the future of gaming and I don't care what game it is. And the middle dragged with Indies galore which is great for those who love them but outside of Kena, nothing looking remotely close to what you would expect the future of gaming to look like. Also, the future of gaming should be 60FPS locked, not 30FPS. That's just disappointing.
Plus, too many people were comparing it to the Inside Xbox showcase which made no sense as it's their July event that's the major one. May was just for third parties smaller titles.
Overall, neither have hit a home run yet. Hopefully, Microsoft hits it out of the park in July. If not, then we'll have some issues but until then, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
peter42O
Completely understandable as I felt the same way about Xbox One and PlayStation 3. Both gave me 5 exclusives that I cared about but PS4 gave me 20 from Sony published titles alone. I see Xbox Series X doing for me what PS4 did for me after PS3.
They haven't even had their July event yet and I already have Halo Infinite and Hellblade 2 as guaranteed playthroughs with Everwild being 50/50. I also have a few exclusives from third party studios like The Ascent, Second Extinction and The Medium.
They will have more AAA titles than AA as all of the studios have been elevated and ramped up in money, resources and personnel.
I do agree that Microsoft's first party studios have a lot to prove but in fairness, outside 343 Industries, The Coalition and Turn 10, all of them have only been under Microsoft for two years or less.
Sony's studios took years if not decades to get where they are today. Gamers need to give those studios the same amount of time as it won't happen over night. The studio that needs to prove something now is 343 Industries with Halo Infinite. Turn 10 is great for Motorsport and Coalition has been great with Gears (at least the campaign anyway). Rest simply need time.
I'm buying both day one but Xbox Series X will be my primary like Xbox 360 was simply because I believe it to be the better overall console. Not just in specs but in the tools that they have for the console with no compromises whatsoever. PlayStation 5 will be for exclusives only and while they will be great, I know what to expect as you just have to look at the PS4 exclusives to know what's eventually coming where as with Microsoft, it's more of a mystery and that has me excited. Similar to PS4 with Horizon, God of War reboot, Spider Man, Days Gone, etc. No one was expecting those games until they were announced. That's how I see Series X being for next gen.
Series X future line up will be a lot clearer after their July event.
To be perfectly honest, I see 343 Industries, The Coalition, Turn 10, Playground Games (both studios), The Initiative, Ninja Theory, Rare, Obsidian and InXile as all being AAA for next generation. Double Fine is 50/50 as is Undead Labs even though I do expect both especially Undead Labs to get a boost. Compulsion Games is the wildcard in my opinion.
I do believe that we'll see many new IP's from Sony as the majority will be sequels to the new IP's they established during the PS4 generation. We'll still get them but I would say, half as many as PS4.
The May Inside Xbox was disappointing but at the same time, I personally added Bright Memory Infinite, Scorn, The Medium, Second Extinction and The Ascent to my futurelog games list. Infinite is still to be determined but the other four as far as I know are console exclusives to Xbox with one or two being on Xbox One as well.
Watching them both a second time, I would rate the Inside Xbox show 6/10 as it was disappointing for two reasons - Greenberg overhyping the show as usual when he should have just said this will be a smaller third party showcase and no gameplay for AC Valhalla which was on Ubisoft as Microsoft doesn't determine what is shown by third party developers. Plus, no gameplay was said the day before so im guessing it got pulled or whatever.
The Sony show was a 7/10 because it had the same issues, no gameplay from the major first party titles. Spider Man is out in 5 months and you don't show gameplay? That makes no sense. Of course, since it seems to be using the PS4 map and assets, it probably explains why they didn't show gameplay plus I do believe the game has been rushed to have it done for launch. Horizon 2 looked great but it wasn't gameplay. I'm surprised they didn't show at least 30 seconds to a minute of actual gameplay. Demons' Souls no gameplay. Ratchet had the most gameplay which is fully understandable since I believe the game is done. Returnal looked good in the small 30 seconds of gameplay but it seems like it's further out. Gran Turismo 7 was fine. I believe that Forza Horizon 4 looks better and I don't even care about racing games whatsoever.
Worse of all, Sony hyped up the event as the future of gaming but yet started the show with GTA 5. Like, WTF? I could see if it was GTA 6. Like, okay but a 7 year old game is NOT the future of gaming and I don't care what game it is. And the middle dragged with Indies galore which is great for those who love them but outside of Kena, nothing looking remotely close to what you would expect the future of gaming to look like. Also, the future of gaming should be 60FPS locked, not 30FPS. That's just disappointing.
Plus, too many people were comparing it to the Inside Xbox showcase which made no sense as it's their July event that's the major one. May was just for third parties smaller titles.
Overall, neither have hit a home run yet. Hopefully, Microsoft hits it out of the park in July. If not, then we'll have some issues but until then, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

I agree with that.
I think they take a similar approach and show first party games that are slated to come out within first 2 years. But definitely agree about seeing more raw gameplay. I feel HellBlade 2 will be one of the first next gen exclusives because I don't see it coming out within first year. I do want to see more gameplay and not just hype trailers. Even a vertical slice like the Epic Ps5 video. Something that shows the potential of the Series X running live.
illwill10
I agree with that.
I think they take a similar approach and show first party games that are slated to come out within first 2 years. But definitely agree about seeing more raw gameplay. I feel HellBlade 2 will be one of the first next gen exclusives because I don't see it coming out within first year. I do want to see more gameplay and not just hype trailers. Even a vertical slice like the Epic Ps5 video. Something that shows the potential of the Series X running live.

As far as I know, the only major titles that will be cross-gen will be Halo Infinite, Gears Tactics, Forza Motorsport 8 and Forza Horizon 5. Once 2022 hits, I would be very surprised to see any cross-gen titles. It simply comes down to them starting development with Xbox One in mind and then moving it to Series X as well.
Hellblade 2 should have gameplay at the July event. I will be shocked if it doesn't. Definitely want more gameplay. At least a few minutes for each major title.
I'm hoping that after July, Microsoft does what Sony has done for TLOUP2 and Tsushima in regards to giving them 20+ minute overview of the game. That would be huge because you can see what a particular game is all about in one shot.
I believe that Halo Infinite will be the game that showcases the Series X along with Forza. Possibly Fable as well. As long as gameplay is shown and they all look great, I'll be happy. Any cinematic crap and I'll be disappointed.
Artman22
I read it’s actually stronger than the current X and will be smaller. At $200 if true it will put Xbox in a good spot
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I currently don't own a 4k TV. Since I don't play anywhere near as much as I used to I am looking at the Lockhart. However I would not pay any more than $250. This console is sure to feel under powered in a few years if not sooner.
Hopefully it provides a "next gen" experience.
lowpaiddonkey10
I currently don't own a 4k TV. Since I don't play anywhere near as much as I used to I am looking at the Lockhart. However I would not pay any more than $250. This console is sure to feel under powered in a few years if not sooner.
Hopefully it provides a "next gen" experience.

I feel with Series X you're going to need a high end 4k TV to take advantage of all the bells and whistles. I think their 1st party are going to target more native 4k60 and dynamic 4k120 to show off power of consoles. That's one of the advantages it will over PS5. I feel if your tv can do up to 120HZ for PS5, you are good for generation. For PS5, outside of racing and multiplayer, I don't think they are going to target 120FPS earlier on in gen. So unless bought a TV within last year that hits most of the required specs, I don't think most casual fans are going to want to any where between $1600-2000+ this November, when you factor in console, TV, games, possible extra controllers, subscriptions, and accessories.
You'll still get the next gen experience. It'll take advantage of SSD, stronger CPU and GPU. If i can convince my GF's son to consider the Lockhart instead of Series X, that'll save her some money. The TV he has, I gave him which does 1080I at best.
But Lockhart plus Gamepass seems like a great option. That way you still have access to all 1st Party games and older BC titles. You'll just have to buy 3rd Party games you want
If you don't own a high end 4K TV or OLED, then yeah, the Xbox Series S will be the better cheaper option.
For me, im obviously all in for Series X (and PS5) but will also be buying that LG CX OLED TV so I'll be ready. Give me all that next gen greatness!!!
Can't wait for the Xbox showcase in July!!!
DJ
If the Series S (Lockhart) is more powerful than the One X, I would seriously consider going that route.

I expect it to be. But I can see some getting caught up in the TF number comparison between Lockhart and 1X and not understanding difference. Also some can't be caught up in the "One X can do 4k and Series S can't". If the a CPU clocks and stuff is mostly the same between Series X and Lockhart, then main difference should be the graphics. You can scale back graphics and still get next gen experience
Series S would be great for those who don't plan on upgrading to 4k anytime soon or as a secondary console for exclusives and Gamepass
illwill10
I expect it to be. But I can see some getting caught up in the TF number comparison between Lockhart and 1X and not understanding difference. Also some can't be caught up in the "One X can do 4k and Series S can't". If the a CPU clocks and stuff is mostly the same between Series X and Lockhart, then main difference should be the graphics. You can scale back graphics and still get next gen experience
Series S would be great for those who don't plan on upgrading to 4k anytime soon or as a secondary console for exclusives and Gamepass

That's what I use the One S for now, EA Access, Game Pass and any MS exclusives I want to play. I have a 4K TV (it has HDR and UHD but it wasn't a top-line model by any means) with no plans at this point to upgrade.
DJ
That's what I use the One S for now, EA Access, Game Pass and any MS exclusives I want to play. I have a 4K TV (it has HDR and UHD but it wasn't a top-line model by any means) with no plans at this point to upgrade.

Yeah then the Lockhart would be great for you. You'll be set with those subscriptions. I think $250-30 would be a great price for it. It has to be at least $100 cheaper than All-Digital PS5, close to half price of Series X, and in the same price range as the Switch that's a winning formula. That way Series S will be the entry point to Next gen if those 3 marks are hit. But I still feel that if they truly want to phase out Current gen quicker and at least entice more people to get Series S over sticking with One X, they shouldn't have mandated that their first party support current gen for the first year or so. They are going to show clear advantages over Series S and One X
Realistically, im expecting Series S to be $300 and Series X to be $500. Very slim chance Microsoft goes balls out and puts the Series S at $200 and Series X at $400.
Series S WILL be better than Xbox One X because everything is simply superior tech. But it will be a 1080P (perhaps 1440P) console but with games hitting 60FPS. It will most likely be Digital Only. I personally would add a 4K Blu Ray to it just to have another advantage over the PS5 digital edition.
Now, if you're going to buy Series S while still keeping the Xbox One S, then you might want to look into trading in the Xbox One S because let's say, you get $100 credit for it and were going to spend $300 on Series S. For an extra $100, you basically get the best damn gaming console of the generation with a 4K Blu Ray drive and if you ever decide to upgrade your TV, you're already set.
Plus, majority of games will most likely have "resolution" and "performance" modes so even if your TV is lacking, you'll get to choose where as on Series S, I believe that games will be "set" based on if the player is using that model.
Comes down to how much you're willing to spend and if you're keeping the Xbox One S or not.
On the last episode of the Xbox Two podcast with Rand and Jez, Jez basically confirmed that "he knows" that the Xbox Series X showcase is set for late July. A few more weeks to go!!! I'm HYPED!!!
My prediction is Sunday July 26th.
With the reports of Series S/Lockhart being Revealed in August, I feel that is when Microsoft will reveal the price of both Series X and Series S. I don't see them revealing a newer consumer friendly console that late in pre-launch without revealing the price. I can see them showing off the other consumer and then the Series X and revealing the price for both. I feel it has to be at least $150-200 difference. I don't feel $100 is enough of a difference to really persuade someone from getting a cheaper model.
illwill10
With the reports of Series S/Lockhart being Revealed in August, I feel that is when Microsoft will reveal the price of both Series X and Series S. I don't see them revealing a newer consumer friendly console that late in pre-launch without revealing the price. I can see them showing off the other consumer and then the Series X and revealing the price for both. I feel it has to be at least $150-200 difference. I don't feel $100 is enough of a difference to really persuade someone from getting a cheaper model.

Yep, when Microsoft announces Series S, the release date, price tag and pre-orders will all be announced at the same time. I would say late August is my bet. Probably around Gamescom.
Microsoft announced an entire week of Xbox Gaming between July 21st and July 27th. Majority are saying that Thursday July 23rd will be the huge Xbox showcase. It will have first party and third party games on that showcase.
Plus a bunch of stuff gets revealed that week. There will also be a bunch of playable gameplay demos that will be available on Xbox One but they are not next gen titles of course. Mostly AA and Indies. Still cool that some publishers are allowing playable demos.
IF Sony prices the digital model at $400 and the Lockhart is more than $250 I think it makes sense to go with the future proof Playstation. At some point I will get a decent 4k TV. Might even have to price the Lockhart at $200 to get me to bite on that.
lowpaiddonkey10
IF Sony prices the digital model at $400 and the Lockhart is more than $250 I think it makes sense to go with the future proof Playstation. At some point I will get a decent 4k TV. Might even have to price the Lockhart at $200 to get me to bite on that.

You can take this to the bank
Lockhart will be $200 and it will be all digital (This will be the mic drop announcement MS has left)
Series X will be $400 and will sell out within minutes
PS5 disc drive version will be $450
PS5 discless drive will be $400
XxGamerXx
You can take this to the bank
Lockhart will be $200 and it will be all digital (This will be the mic drop announcement MS has left)
Series X will be $400 and will sell out within minutes
PS5 disc drive version will be $450
PS5 discless drive will be $400

Eh, would be surprised to see the 2 PS5 SKUs only $50 apart, I expect they'll include some extra items and it will be a $100 difference.

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