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Sucks to be a Dolphins fan tho...yikes! lol
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They do actually have wide receivers on their team...
EDIT: Found them on the EA Site between Chiefs and Vikings.
Chiefs
84
78
88
Bears
84
88
76
Vikings
83
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sure why not.....
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I get the low offensive rating... But tied for 19th for defense??? In what world?
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they have some studs but also huge weak spots after losing some players in the offseason. looks like OLB Leon Jacobs (68), FS Cody Davis (72), SS Ronnie Harrison (71), and DT Abry Jones (72) are all gonna be starters for them on Madden 20 which totally tanks their overall defense rating.
Our team ratings overall are always wonky. Wilson is expected to start over Davis but EA has had davis rated higher for some reason, even in 19. Although we have a hole at FS and OLB with Telvin taking leave, we still are a top 10 defense. Our players have to exceptionally stand out to get respect from EA, I'm use to it.
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I think the Jags are rated very fairly. there are some players overrated and some underrated as is the case with all teams. as a defensive unit they are very good but when the measuring stick is just all the starters overall rating, their few holes tank the rating way down. in real life (and on the game) its easier to mask the lesser players so they should still be an elite defense on the field and in the game. I dont think EA has anything against the Jags.
sure why not.....
I was thinking the same thing, but then I remembered this is Madden.
So then I just lol'd and went on about me day!
Perennially overrating the Cowboys either way :)
So then I just lol'd and went on about me day!
Yup.
Same crap as always.
Same crap as always.
lol love the "my team should be higher because they're my team" posts. This isn't 2018. You have a 67 DT starting and a 74 MLB.
Offense doesn't mean skill positions and QB only. There's 5 guys on the O line that count and the 3 teams you mentioned have some of the best lines in the league, while the Browns have one of the worst. Look at their starters -
LT - 70
LG - 87
C - 79
RG - 70
RT - 72
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LT - 70
LG - 87
C - 79
RG - 70
RT - 72
But the Browns best skill positions gap between those 3 teams is much larger than the browns OL skill behind those 3 teams
Edit: ah, i eee they highly underrated Mayfield and Landry, that explains alot.
Edit: ah, i eee they highly underrated Mayfield and Landry, that explains alot.
lol Landry is a possession receiver and Mayfield is the same as Wentz and Watson who are both young and have had good but not great years (though Wentz was the clear favorite for MVP in 2017 pre-injury). I think that's pretty fair for a 2nd year QB who showed promise, but also some flaws in his rookie year.
Edit: ah, i eee they highly underrated Mayfield and Landry, that explains alot.
As a Browns fan I am ok with Mayfield's rating. Small sample size and room for growth. About what should be expected out of a second year quarterback.
Said ratings guy, Dustin Smith aka Equipment Guru, is very openly a Cowboys fan.
That said, Madden team ratings are drawn from the ratings of the individual players. I don't know which Cowboys players are individually overrated? They've got three All-Pro caliber OL (Smith, Frederick, Martin), one of the best running backs in the league (Elliott), a second-tier WR1 (Amari Cooper isn't Julio Jones or Nuk Hopkins, but he's plenty talented), a nice complement of options around that WR1 (Gallup, Witten, Cobb, Hurns have all at least proven they aren't NFL flame-outs), and Dak Prescott is a quality starting quarterback. The individual pieces add up to a good number.
If we're going to complain about the number, let's at least understand how that number was generated. Notably, consider that the Cowboys' highly-criticized coaching staff is not an object in Madden 20.
Edit: Every diehard fan knows their teams rising stars and depth. EA just throws stuff at the wall and claim they've gone through extensive research. I don't know who they think their fooling but its blatanly obvious zlot of the time.
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Its not like people haven't been proven right or anything.
What's been proven right? Human beings cannot be accurately modeled by a few dozen two digit integers.
Player's perception of the ratings are always going to be clouded by their own biases, anyway.
Player's perception of the ratings are always going to be clouded by their own biases, anyway.
Is this even english?
Player's perception of the ratings are always going to be clouded by their own biases, anyway.
In Madden 18, then Cowboys rookie receiver Ryan Switzer (4th round pick) was the only rookie in the league drafted after round 2 to receive the quick dev trait. That solidified it for me personally, on top of a few other things.
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My Dolphins are a ****show and will be a heck of a rebuild.
Wish me luck boys. This may take a few seasons of torture. But we will get her done!!!
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Quick dev isn't even a big deal, especially at WR. Most of them start with decent catch ratings so those are hard to meaningfully progress. Route running is also difficult to meaningfully progress because the ratings must be very, very high before it has a noticeable impact on the field.
Furthermore, Switzer is slot archetype which means the only scheme for which he would be a fit is Run and Shoot.
As far as roster errors go that one would be minor. You'd have to completely ignore how the game functions in order to make it a big deal.
I understand now that I'm wrong in thinking that. Just seems strange that a team that lost in the divisional round is higher rated than teams that made it to the championship games and Superbowl.
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If you use "Sort by Yds" to rank defenses there is going to be a lot of volatility year to year. Units that demonstrate that sort of consistency from year to year usually end up getting nicknames like, "Legion of Boom", "Blitzburgh", etc.
Furthermore, Switzer is slot archetype which means the only scheme for which he would be a fit is Run and Shoot.
As far as roster errors go that one would be minor. You'd have to completely ignore how the game functions in order to make it a big deal.
This didn't exist in M18.
Dolphins Overall: 74
Offense: 72
Defense: 69
...I hope the ST factor in the Overall Ratings...otherwise wtf!? lol
Fair enough. With the way development worked in 18 you may very well have been able to turn him into a serviceable player. He kept the Quick Dev for M19 and I had him on my roster. Even if I trained the WRs all year he never got to the point where he was worth putting on the field - even with 90 SPD, amazing AGI, and a good juke move.
My Dolphins are a ****show
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lol
It's a formula, cowboys team is littered with talent most people don't deny that
Player's perception of the ratings are always going to be clouded by their own biases, anyway.
I mean they got pretty close to to being in the championship game, I don't get why people keep thinking this is a 6-10 team plus they get Frederick back this year.
Only took over for the first roster update for madden 16
Theres also other teams littered with much better talent.
Oh i dont know, maybe because they ranked 22nd in yards, 22nd in PPG just a mere FG away from the 28th ranked team, 21st in Yards per play, 19th in first downs, 23rd in passing yards per game, 22nd in passing TDs per game, 15th in rushing yards per attempt, 16th in rushing TDs, 29th in red zone conversion percentage below 50%, 16th in Sacks, 18th in Pass Deflections, 26th in Interceptions, 12th in fumbles, only a +3 in TO differential, etc
I mean the list goes on and on and on and on, statistically speaking, they were below average to mediocre at almost literally everything last year
If that translates to being one of the best teams in the league then its time for someone else to do the ratings, but then again madden gets it wrong every year with the cowboys so this is why no one is surprised.
Until they win something they should never break the top 10. Never.
I mean the list goes on and on and on and on, statistically speaking, they were below average to mediocre at almost literally everything last year
If that translates to being one of the best teams in the league then its time for someone else to do the ratings, but then again madden gets it wrong every year with the cowboys so this is why no one is surprised.
Until they win something they should never break the top 10. Never.
I wouldn't be so pissed off. It's only a TEAM rating after all. Doesn't really affect the gameplay in Play Now or CFM, one way or the other, as far as I know. But as a cannon fodder for heated online discussions, it's apparently invaluable.
Every team has talent.
Rating players based on talent alone is a pretty flawed method.
Ravens had a better offense and defense then the cowboys yet according to the formula and ratings are a worse team even though both teams finished with a 10-6 record :nocomprende::nocomprende:
Well, the tradition of overrating them had to technically come first!
I wouldn't be so pissed off. It's only a TEAM rating after all. Doesn't really affect the gameplay in Play Now or CFM, one way or the other, as far as I know. But as a cannon fodder for heated online discussions, it's apparently invaluable.
Theres at least 5 teams i can name off the top of my head with more stars and talent. No one is pissed off, we are just calling it the fraud that it is.
Rating players based on talent alone is a pretty flawed method.
Ravens had a better offense and defense then the cowboys yet according to the formula and ratings are a worse team even though both teams finished with a 10-6 record :nocomprende::nocomprende:
The team OVR rating is merely a sum of the players OVR ratings .. ie a reflection of the talent level on the roster
Its does not take into account play calling , scheme , coaching and any number of other things that make a successful team
I'm a skins fan an even I can see the cowboys have a talented roster , whether that translates to wins is another matter
Okay, I'll bite. Who?
Between the offense and defense, the Cowboys have five starters who have been named first-team All Pro within the past three seasons (Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, Ezekiel Elliott, Sean Lee; Martin was first-team All Pro in 2018). They have two additional starters who have been named second-team All-Pro in 2018 (Byron Jones and Demarcus Lawrence, both in 2018; Ezekiel Elliott was also 2nd team AP in 2018). They have three more starters who were all selected to the Pro Bowl last season (Leighton Vander Esch, Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper). They've got a middle linebacker who could easily compete for postseason honors in 2019 in Jaylon Smith (it's my personal opinion that Smith is the most talented linebacker on the team right now, but that isn't shared by everyone). There just can't be many teams who roster this many nationally-recognized talented core players.
Elsewhere, depending on how you count starters, the Cowboys return 21 of 24 possible starters from last season. They added defensive end Robert Quinn to supplement their pass rush and slide returning starter Tyrone Crawford in to defensive tackle; Quinn isn't quite who he once was, but he was named first-team All Pro in 2013 and 2013 Defensive Player of the Year by PFWA. Slot receiver Cole Beasley was replaced by Randall Cobb in what's probably a lateral move talent-wise. Sean Lee will slide from WILL to SAM to replace the departing Damien Wilson, but Lee is probably going to be a rotation player as the NFL continues to move to 5 DB nickel packages as the base defense (the Cowboys do return both their nickel backs Anthony Brown and Jourdan Lewis). While I'm not counting on him for much, aging Cowboys legend Jason Witten is returning from retirement to replace the departing Geoff Swaim at tight end.
I'll give you that the Cowboys are weak at defensive tackle, tight end, and safety. I'll give you that the vanilla offensive scheme Scott Linehan ran wasn't a particularly good one, and I think they could get more out of the players they had if they incorporated more read option and run-pass option. Nevertheless, the Cowboys have plenty of rostered talent for a change, and that's going to easily translate to a video game where a deficiency in coaching is no object.
I'd like to point out also that since the start of the 2016 regular season, the Cowboys have won 32 regular season games. As far as I can tell, the only teams with more such wins in that span are the Patriots and Steelers, and the Saints have just as many wins.
Generally speaking, the Cowboys have pretty good at winning football games recently, even with deficient coaching.
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I'll give you that the Cowboys are weak at defensive tackle, tight end, and safety. I'll give you that the vanilla offensive scheme Scott Linehan ran wasn't a particularly good one, and I think they could get more out of the players they had if they incorporated more read option and run-pass option. Nevertheless, the Cowboys have plenty of rostered talent for a change, and that's going to easily translate to a video game where a deficiency in coaching is no object.
To me the issue is there seems to be that benefit of the doubt for some, but not other players. I think it's a product of the spotlight some teams and their players get in general, and it being hard to have a similar exposure and understanding of all teams and players, but it seems to me some areas of the league get more nuanced analysis to individual capabilities than others.
I honestly don't care much for the ratings, it's just an observation.
I honestly don't care much for the ratings, it's just an observation.
This is something I agree with. It does seem some teams/players are getting more forgiveness for playing under bad coaching than others at times and the opposite is true. Some teams that have a really good unit on one side of the ball don't have their players rated as strong because the scheme is seen as a big reason for the success. The Cowboys have plenty of hyped players, but the results on the field do make you question some of their ratings.
I get that they scored a late garbage time TD to make their game against the Rams look competitive(though you can look at all the other stats or just watch the film and see it wasn't that close), but I'm going to have to agree that they seem to be getting more forgiveness on their ratings because everyone is saying their coaching is just so poor. McCarthy and his offense were even worse from a coaching standpoint, but you don't see the Packers players(including Rodgers) getting the same forgiveness treatment all around.
I get that they scored a late garbage time TD to make their game against the Rams look competitive(though you can look at all the other stats or just watch the film and see it wasn't that close), but I'm going to have to agree that they seem to be getting more forgiveness on their ratings because everyone is saying their coaching is just so poor. McCarthy and his offense were even worse from a coaching standpoint, but you don't see the Packers players(including Rodgers) getting the same forgiveness treatment all around.
But Packers are a top rated team and people are saying they are overrated so im not so sure your argument adds up?
The results on the field say Dallas has won more games over the past three seasons than almost anyone else. What exactly are we questioning?
It's asinine to cherry-pick a single loss to the NFC Super Bowl representative and call the Cowboys fraudulent based on that one data point. I even agree with you that that game wasn't as close as the score, but you're overvaluing one game at the expense of the other 11 they won last season.
In previous years, the devs have said the team over numbers are just made up. Including offense and defense team overalls. I can't remember if they tweeted this out for M18 or M19. There has to be some sort of in game formula for these numbers since in CFMs the team overall numbers do change as the players and overall rosters change.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Also, if I recall correctly you're a Redskins' fan, so clearly you hold no bias about the Cowboys whatsoever. :)
Appeal to popularity doesn't make you correct and is in fact a logical fallacy. Most NFL fans are don't have a clue what's happening on the field, and the Cowboys remain one of the most reviled teams in sports. Of course people are going to have negative opinions about them.
Not at all. You've offered to this thread a grand total of zero compelling arguments as to why you think the Cowboys are overrated, so you've given no reason for anyone to change their minds.
To demonstrate that I'm open-minded, let me offer a few actual pieces of criticism against the Cowboys with respect to their ratings, feel free to adopt these as your own going forward:
- one could argue All-Pro center Travis Frederick is being offered too much benefit of the doubt, having missed all of last season while recovering from Guillian-Barre Syndrome. In Frederick's defense, the Madden ratings people historically don't punish players too harshly when they miss an entire season once, and all media reports anticipate Frederick will return to his prior form, which earned him first-team All Pro honors in 2014 and 2016, second-team honors in 2015, and four consecutive Pro Bowl selections.
- Ezekiel Elliott led the league in rushing in 2018, but PFF graded him pretty harshly last season, for whatever that is worth. If you take PFF's grades as gospel (there are good reasons why you shouldn't, but that's another topic) you could argue Elliott is overrated. I would personally say Elliott didn't look quite as fast in 2018 compared to his rookie season, but that is accounted for; his Speed rating dropped two points relative to the Madden 19 launch day roster.
- Taco Charlton might be overrated at 75 OVR. He has four career sacks over his first two seasons, and at one point during 2018 he was deactivated. While he has athletic talent, he certainly has been a rare first-round bust pick by Will McClay so far.
- Starting WR2 Michael Gallup had a catch percentage of 48.5%, worst among all Cowboys receivers and among the worst compared to his peers in the 2018 draft class. He's shown flashes of athletic ability and made some dazzling catches last year, but he's got plenty of work to do to be a consistently productive player.
- The Cowboys' defense was 26th in interceptions forced and recorded 11 fumble recoveries, 7th-best in the NFL. People who have done studies on turnovers have found that that team fumble recoveries is a very volatile statistic year-over-year, i.e. it's random and luck-based. To that end, Cowboys could stand to do better at more reliably forcing turnovers with their pass defense. As it stands, this is also accounted for; only two starters in the second and third levels of their defense have Catching ratings above 70: Sean Lee (13 career interceptions) and Xavier Woods (3 career interceptions).
Am I wrong in thinking that these Overalls are essentially their power ranking?
If OVR were actually any sort of realistic power ranking it wouldn't be available to the public; whoever had it would be using it to crush sports books.
If OVR were actually any sort of realistic power ranking it wouldn't be available to the public; whoever had it would be using it to crush sports books.
How would Madden's power ranking be used to crush books over any other power ranking?
Are you suggesting that a team Overall does not have some sort of indication of the team's quality or level of difficulty when playing with or against?
Appeal to popularity doesn't make you correct and is in fact a logical fallacy. Most NFL fans are don't have a clue what's happening on the field, and the Cowboys remain one of the most reviled teams in sports. Of course people are going to have negative opinions about them.
Not at all. You've offered to this thread a grand total of zero compelling arguments as to why you think the Cowboys are overrated, so you've given no reason for anyone to change their minds.
To demonstrate that I'm open-minded, let me offer a few actual pieces of criticism against the Cowboys with respect to their ratings, feel free to adopt these as your own going forward:
- one could argue All-Pro center Travis Frederick is being offered too much benefit of the doubt, having missed all of last season while recovering from Guillian-Barre Syndrome. In Frederick's defense, the Madden ratings people historically don't punish players too harshly when they miss an entire season once, and all media reports anticipate Frederick will return to his prior form, which earned him first-team All Pro honors in 2014 and 2016, second-team honors in 2015, and four consecutive Pro Bowl selections.
- Ezekiel Elliott led the league in rushing in 2018, but PFF graded him pretty harshly last season, for whatever that is worth. If you take PFF's grades as gospel (there are good reasons why you shouldn't, but that's another topic) you could argue Elliott is overrated. I would personally say Elliott didn't look quite as fast in 2018 compared to his rookie season, but that is accounted for; his Speed rating dropped two points relative to the Madden 19 launch day roster.
- Taco Charlton might be overrated at 75 OVR. He has four career sacks over his first two seasons, and at one point during 2018 he was deactivated. While he has athletic talent, he certainly has been a rare first-round bust pick by Will McClay so far.
- Starting WR2 Michael Gallup had a catch percentage of 48.5%, worst among all Cowboys receivers and among the worst compared to his peers in the 2018 draft class. He's shown flashes of athletic ability and made some dazzling catches last year, but he's got plenty of work to do to be a consistently productive player.
- The Cowboys' defense was 26th in interceptions forced and recorded 11 fumble recoveries, 7th-best in the NFL. People who have done studies on turnovers have found that that team fumble recoveries is a very volatile statistic year-over-year, i.e. it's random and luck-based. To that end, Cowboys could stand to do better at more reliably forcing turnovers with their pass defense. As it stands, this is also accounted for; only two starters in the second and third levels of their defense have Catching ratings above 70: Sean Lee (13 career interceptions) and Xavier Woods (3 career interceptions).
Not just my team but others have great players that dont get what they deserve because they arent all over the media. i see you like to debate but dont really look into what people are actually saying as far as their point is concerned. Bro ur killing me. They are favored but whateva. Ill be my own ratings guy and let yall have it.
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EDIT: True fans of the game understand the matchups and the schemes that drive performance yet know madden doesnt accout for that with all 32 teams and the full 53. Heck, we have backups that barely see the field unless due to injury but are rated higher than guys who have actually played and help up to the standard. Yet your arguing like thats not true. CMON MAN
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Am I wrong in thinking that these Overalls are essentially their power ranking?
Most power rankings take into account factors other than roster strength which this does not , so yes you would be wrong to directly equate them
Between the offense and defense, the Cowboys have five starters who have been named first-team All Pro within the past three seasons (Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, Ezekiel Elliott, Sean Lee; Martin was first-team All Pro in 2018). They have two additional starters who have been named second-team All-Pro in 2018 (Byron Jones and Demarcus Lawrence, both in 2018; Ezekiel Elliott was also 2nd team AP in 2018). They have three more starters who were all selected to the Pro Bowl last season (Leighton Vander Esch, Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper). They've got a middle linebacker who could easily compete for postseason honors in 2019 in Jaylon Smith (it's my personal opinion that Smith is the most talented linebacker on the team right now, but that isn't shared by everyone). There just can't be many teams who roster this many nationally-recognized talented core players.
Elsewhere, depending on how you count starters, the Cowboys return 21 of 24 possible starters from last season. They added defensive end Robert Quinn to supplement their pass rush and slide returning starter Tyrone Crawford in to defensive tackle; Quinn isn't quite who he once was, but he was named first-team All Pro in 2013 and 2013 Defensive Player of the Year by PFWA. Slot receiver Cole Beasley was replaced by Randall Cobb in what's probably a lateral move talent-wise. Sean Lee will slide from WILL to SAM to replace the departing Damien Wilson, but Lee is probably going to be a rotation player as the NFL continues to move to 5 DB nickel packages as the base defense (the Cowboys do return both their nickel backs Anthony Brown and Jourdan Lewis). While I'm not counting on him for much, aging Cowboys legend Jason Witten is returning from retirement to replace the departing Geoff Swaim at tight end.
I'll give you that the Cowboys are weak at defensive tackle, tight end, and safety. I'll give you that the vanilla offensive scheme Scott Linehan ran wasn't a particularly good one, and I think they could get more out of the players they had if they incorporated more read option and run-pass option. Nevertheless, the Cowboys have plenty of rostered talent for a change, and that's going to easily translate to a video game where a deficiency in coaching is no object.
Philly, Rams, Cleveland, New England, Baltimore and thats just to start.
I dont give 2 ****s whos returning, they we're mediocre to dog **** in most team catigories last year. If they are returning all that then thats not a good sign.
So what you're saying is, Madden overalls do not take into consideration other factors than raw statistics, measurables?
Makes sense, cause if Madden took into account coaching, the Cowboys would be about the 11th best overall as opposed to 2nd.
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Yes the team OVR is merely an aggregate of the individual player OVRs , I'm not sure if it even accounts for roster depth in a significant manner let alone any of the other factors that produce a " good team "
Obviously this is a factor in power rankings , but far from the only one, in any well reasoned prediction at least
With this in mind the Cowboys roster is as talented as any in the NFL at present and Madden reflects this . The looming cap / contract situation makes this year probably their best shot
Obviously this is a factor in power rankings , but far from the only one, in any well reasoned prediction at least
With this in mind the Cowboys roster is as talented as any in the NFL at present and Madden reflects this . The looming cap / contract situation makes this year probably their best shot
Cool, thanks. Now I feel like testing rosters to see just what changes would affect overall by the greatest degree; such as how far down the depth chart the OVR reaches and to what degree/percentage. (In Franchise)
IN Mut it is more obvious how the roster OVR is weighted by position and depth; with depth not being a consideration I have witnessed.
I wish team ratings were gone away with because they help none and only lead to more questions.
Luckily most of their fans are as terrible at understanding how to build a team as Jerry Jones, so it ends up playing out realistic.
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Not sure exactly what your point is ... nobody is denying he's a top level pass rusher ?
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84 isn't a bad rating , but I assume you know why he's not rated higher ?
Its cool, im editing ratings anyway
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So it couldn't be the fact that he's nowhere near the run defender of the other players on the list you quoted , and in fact was rated only 30th amongst edge defenders by PFF last year ? Or do you only cherry pick your analytic data so it fits your own agenda ?
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So you think he's as good as Mack or Miller and a top run defender ?? That'd put you in a minority of approximately ONE ,but carry on with the homer nonsense
Edit: mack has been 99, miller, and donald. I guess a 90 rating means something im missing lol.
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Ngakoue is a just as good if not better passrusher then demarcus lawrence.
the ratings dont reflect that.
nothing homer about that quite frankly.
lawrence has 89 pw 95 fin and 88 blockshedding.
ngakoue has 78 pw 89 fin and 59 blockshedding.
run defense seems to be reflected properly.
pass rushing i beg to differ.
quite curious what stats you have that explains the difference.
lawrence had 1 more sack over the season but less pressure and QB hits.
BTW lawrence 95 finesse is 3rd highest in the game behind Bosa and Donald.
the ratings dont reflect that.
nothing homer about that quite frankly.
lawrence has 89 pw 95 fin and 88 blockshedding.
ngakoue has 78 pw 89 fin and 59 blockshedding.
run defense seems to be reflected properly.
pass rushing i beg to differ.
quite curious what stats you have that explains the difference.
lawrence had 1 more sack over the season but less pressure and QB hits.
BTW lawrence 95 finesse is 3rd highest in the game behind Bosa and Donald.
My point wasn't that Ngakoue isn't a good player , or that his ratings , or that of any player are beyond debate
More that cherry picking one stat line , ignoring all other grading and factors just because it happens to fit an agenda ( ie Ngakoue and the Jags in general , see his previous posts, are in some way being disrespected) is bogus.
I'm sure if tasked with the job of ratings, every single member here , and anywhere else where people discuss football , would produce a totally different result , it's a subjective matter and only very loosely described by data , so no single set of ratings will please everybody or be perfect , but to infer prejudice or bias because your team isn't packed with 99s or whatever is ridiculous and infantile
Specifically to your points though , I see Ngakoue as a very good but fairly one dimensional speed rusher ( he graded 18th amongst edge defenders in pass rush last year ) I could probably live with a slight increase to his FMV as that seems to be rating which best describes his best assets, but in general I'd say he's rated fairly .
To add context to your quoted stats I'd say he has undoubtedly benefitted to some degree from being part of a talented defense , with excellent pass rush talent and even better coverage around him , and that should be factored in , also how many of those sacks/ pressures resulted from playing the Texans ( and their swiss cheese O Line ) twice a year ?
I'm dropping this as I've made my point and my annoyance wasn't with people having a reasonable debate but differing opinions but simply with the " why is MY player not rated higher brigade "
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Man you think Ngakoue got it tough, go look at how Taylor Lewan got rated. 3x consecutive pro bowls at a very competitive position for such honors, and he gets 81 overall - the 14th ranked LT in the NFL. Fourteenth! Ngakoue is the 13th ranked RE, and that's at a position which is technically at least 2 positions bulked together (3-4 RE and 4-3 RE). He's about the 7th speed rushing RE by my count.
Ngakoue has 1 sack against the Titans in 5 matchups - I'm not certain, but I reckon Lewan contributed to that ;)
Would love to see Lewan's ratings on a team that gets primetime games by the half dozen.
Also, the competition faced by each defender could be a factor.
I can see trying to represent an individual player's abilities but also have to consider the defense as a whole needing to be balanced to best represent the overall performance of the group.
And I think the most important aspect about ratings in Madden is, they can change on any given week.
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But youre view is also very biased as well.
Cherry picking 1 stat+ "eye test"= players getting waaay overrated.
More that cherry picking one stat line , ignoring all other grading and factors just because it happens to fit an agenda ( ie Ngakoue and the Jags in general , see his previous posts, are in some way being disrespected) is bogus.
I'm sure if tasked with the job of ratings, every single member here , and anywhere else where people discuss football , would produce a totally different result , it's a subjective matter and only very loosely described by data , so no single set of ratings will please everybody or be perfect , but to infer prejudice or bias because your team isn't packed with 99s or whatever is ridiculous and infantile
Specifically to your points though , I see Ngakoue as a very good but fairly one dimensional speed rusher ( he graded 18th amongst edge defenders in pass rush last year ) I could probably live with a slight increase to his FMV as that seems to be rating which best describes his best assets, but in general I'd say he's rated fairly .
To add context to your quoted stats I'd say he has undoubtedly benefitted to some degree from being part of a talented defense , with excellent pass rush talent and even better coverage around him , and that should be factored in , also how many of those sacks/ pressures resulted from playing the Texans ( and their swiss cheese O Line ) twice a year ?
I'm dropping this as I've made my point and my annoyance wasn't with people having a reasonable debate but differing opinions but simply with the " why is MY player not rated higher brigade "
EDIT: Also, since we are talking about team defense and divisional opponents. Didnt you say the Cowboys were rated fairly because they have stars all over the place? Doesnt that help with individual players performances in a whole? I guess their players only play the best all year and deserve their juiced ratings even if other players did just as well or close to it. Just STOP IT.
Reading comprehension is key ppl. Yes, Lewan should be higher also....WHICH IS MY ENTIRE POINT, i just cant with yall smh.
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EDIT: Also, since we are talking about team defense and divisional opponents. Didnt you say the Cowboys were rated fairly because they have stars all over the place? Doesnt that help with individual players performances in a whole? I guess their players only play the best all year and deserve their juiced ratings even if other players did just as well or close to it. Just STOP IT.
Reading comprehension is key ppl. Yes, Lewan should be higher also....WHICH IS MY ENTIRE POINT, i just cant with yall smh.
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Initially I replied to one of your posts , it was clearly inferring Ngakoue was under rated , it didn't mention anybody else , nor did I , simply stating that in my opinion and using data he isn't
( And yes I've read and re read every one of your posts in this thread ( perhaps you should too ), despite your protestations not once do you mention a single player on any other team but the Jags until this final post where you threw in Lewan , each post infers either a jag player ( fournette ,Harrison , Ngokoue etc) or your team as a whole is being unjustly treated , NOT other teams or other players ONLY Jags players .... so yes i see a pattern ...you are biased or deluded )
When you quoted a stat , I gave you another which gave a different perspective only to be told I shouldn't just go by stats but watch games ( which of course I never do ....) as if nobody but you ever watches a game
And yes I defended the cowboys high rating ... as a Redskins fan , not because I'm biased but because I'm open minded and realistic.
As I said before no set of ratings done by anybody is going to meet with universal approval , it's a subjective matter , but to base your criticism, as you have done despite your claims , simply on your own team being underrated doesn't make your point...it makes you look like a petulant child
Finally , and I can only speak for myself here , but no I'm not 12 and nor do I expect others on here to behave as if they are .
Not just my team but others have great players that dont get what they deserve because they arent all over the media. i see you like to debate but dont really look into what people are actually saying as far as their point is concerned. Bro ur killing me. They are favored but whateva. Ill be my own ratings guy and let yall have it.
NUMBER 1 REASON i stay offline. Do u even football
EDIT: True fans of the game understand the matchups and the schemes that drive performance yet know madden doesnt accout for that with all 32 teams and the full 53. Heck, we have backups that barely see the field unless due to injury but are rated higher than guys who have actually played and help up to the standard. Yet your arguing like thats not true. CMON MAN
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Second paragraph for those that are having a hard time smh
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