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Madden NFL 20 Patch 1.15 Available - Patch Notes Here

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Madden NFL 20 Patch 1.15 Available - Patch Notes Here

Madden NFL 20 game update 1.15 is available, check out the patch notes below and let us know what you’re seeing.

Gameplay Updates

  • Fixed an issue causing hit-stick tackles to transition to conservative tackles vs. ball carrier special moves when using a player equipped with the Enforcer ability
    • DEV NOTE: In last week’s title update, we made a number of updates to hit-stick windows to reduce warping and suction. An unintended side-effect of these updates was that the window for landing a hit-stick against a ball carrier during a special move was tightened up so much that it would often result in a hit-stick attempt transitioning to a conservative tackle, and therefore not receive the boost of the Enforcer ability leading to broken tackles. We’ve resolved this by ensuring Enforcer hit-sticks will have a consistent window regardless of the ball-carrier’s actions. As a result, Enforcers will not allow broken hit-sticks when successfully landing one.
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  1. That’s it? I mean cool they fixed Enforcer, maybe there’s a bigger one tomorrow? They have been doing one every Thursday lately.
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    Still no scenario updates or the X factor update.
    Glad they recognized a fix needed to be made but there’s plenty more out there. Mid Sept has come and gone, even with a week pushback for weather delays.
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    jpdavis82
    There’s more to this update than Enforcer, I’ve been informed, just trying to figure out what all.
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    Gotcha. I doubt it’s the X factor and scenario stuff though. They’d publicize the crap out of that. Maybe it’s kicking glitch?
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    Got excited to read about what’s in the Patch Notes and without thinking blurted out well “that’s cute”!!!
    1.44 GB download, surely something else is in this Update that the notes have failed to mention. lol
    I'm at work. 😣 cant wait to hear impressions. Side note...isnt it sad that we as the consumer have to sit around for months hoping that with each patch we will finally have a sim playing game. It's just crazy! They dont even inform us that they are working on issues like the CPU special moves not triggering correctly etc. From a sim prospective can you imagine if 2k could make a football game? 2k basically shut down the NBA live series due to sim gameplay but in football there is no comp. I will continue to play Madden only because it's my only choice. My apologies for venting here.
    People may not want to hear this but my solution is to stop buying the game, do not buy every year, I did that with 2k and really enjoy the game again. I don’t feel as bad about madden as a lot do but if EA saw sales really dipping maybe they would be forced to do something different.
    callmetaternuts
    I’m gonna assume that’s MUT related because I understood none of it.
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    Im not sure what's actually there if any of that. I am not a fan of X Factor or MUT. I have Madden 20 but I have it setup and I play it just like I have played MADDEN for the last 20 years without all that arcade X factor garbage.
    I'm not trying to be negative here and I certainly don't blame the devs for this but what kind of update is this? A gig an half to fix enforcer? Really? Where's all of the scenarios that were supposed to be in after launch? What about the nonsense of cfm being a live service with content updates? So much of this isn't there and there's no communication about it. Very frustrating.
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    Sphinx
    I'm not trying to be negative here and I certainly don't blame the devs for this but what kind of update is this? A gig an half to fix enforcer? Really? Where's all of the scenarios that were supposed to be in after launch? What about the nonsense of cfm being a live service with content updates? So much of this isn't there and there's no communication about it. Very frustrating.
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    But do we know that content updates (like scenarios) will come via patch or will they come via the login content updates (like commentary and rosters)?
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    XxKnicksRules215xX
    People may not want to hear this but my solution is to stop buying the game, do not buy every year, I did that with 2k and really enjoy the game again. I don’t feel as bad about madden as a lot do but if EA saw sales really dipping maybe they would be forced to do something different.

    How far back of a version do you play? I haven’t gotten madden or 2K in a couple years but want to get one but not the most recent cause of price. Thanks !
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    I find it interesting how a fix can be pushed out so quickly. I'm sure EA has their way of pushing Microsoft/Sony. In the past they would tell us how long a patch takes to get certified. I remember how long the pancake glitch took to get a fix (almost a month). Not that it has any barring, but it's interesting imo. Unless this was a fix after they submitted the mid September update.
    JoshC1977
    But do we know that content updates (like scenarios) will come via patch or will they come via the login content updates (like commentary and rosters)?
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    That's something that would be great to get cleared up. I was under the assumption that they would come through patches however I don't think this has been stated by anyone at EA.
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    Sphinx
    I'm not trying to be negative here and I certainly don't blame the devs for this but what kind of update is this? A gig an half to fix enforcer? Really? Where's all of the scenarios that were supposed to be in after launch? What about the nonsense of cfm being a live service with content updates? So much of this isn't there and there's no communication about it. Very frustrating.

    Priorities. MUT and H2H issues come first and get pushed straight to the front of the line. Everything else (i.e. franchise) comes when it comes.
    DeuceDouglas
    Priorities. MUT and H2H issues come first and get pushed straight to the front of the line. Everything else (i.e. franchise) comes when it comes.
    I hear ya. It's just making me care less and less about this franchise. Especially with alternatives coming out. Maximum football is far behind graphically but has a really good foundation for their dynasty mode. Axis football is also looking good with their franchise mode already looking far more advanced than Madden.
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    DeuceDouglas
    Priorities. MUT and H2H issues come first and get pushed straight to the front of the line. Everything else (i.e. franchise) comes when it comes.

    To be fair , I'd imagine this is just a bug fix for a bug introduced by the previous patch that was noticed almost immediately , at least as far as the content described in the update notes .
    I doubt this has any bearing on any scheduled or subsequent content updates
    That was underwhelming .
    I would give anything for a kick meter fix. Every game in my online league seems to be decided by the meter being gone towards the end of the 4th. Most of us are unable to kick FG, PATs are often missed, and even kickoffs get shanked — setting up an easy score to get back in the game.
    How they are unable to repeat this in-house is almost unbelievable. It’s not a small amount of people experiencing it.
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    GameBreaker35
    That was underwhelming .
    I would give anything for a kick meter fix. Every game in my online league seems to be decided by the meter being gone towards the end of the 4th. Most of us are unable to kick FG, PATs are often missed, and even kickoffs get shanked — setting up an easy score to get back in the game.
    How they are unable to repeat this in-house is almost unbelievable. It’s not a small amount of people experiencing it.
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    I'm starting to get the feeling they could care less about the glitch. I mean it's been two months, and not one word from anyone about it. How can you not produce a bug in two months? Not even attempting to is my guess. I wish I could get my money back. I will not be buying Madden ever again after this kicking glitch.
    XxKnicksRules215xX
    People may not want to hear this but my solution is to stop buying the game, do not buy every year, I did that with 2k and really enjoy the game again. I don’t feel as bad about madden as a lot do but if EA saw sales really dipping maybe they would be forced to do something different.

    Please go away. No one wants to hear logic and common sense.
    stlcardsfan44
    I'm starting to get the feeling they could care less about the glitch. I mean it's been two months, and not one word from anyone about it. How can you not produce a bug in two months? Not even attempting to is my guess. I wish I could get my money back. I will not be buying Madden ever again after this kicking glitch.

    It only happens in franchise so it isnt important to them.
    I'm not getting my hopes up, but can anyone check if an under-the-radar fix was made to the 49ers' end zone art?
    This is the incorrect, outdated version that patch 1.10 reverted to for some reason.
    The correct version should be this (the 2018 version, in the game at launch) or this (from this season).
    I've been very positive with M19 and M20 but having to wait this long to start a serious CFM because we have to wait on dev trait patches that don't work with current franchises and other fixes that need a clean start is really starting to frustrate me.
    Hopefully tomorrow they get the return ss stuff out.
    kennylc321
    Please go away. No one wants to hear logic and common sense.

    This drum has been beat for over a decade, nothing has changed & EA still makes money hand over fist. Not sure what the initial post has to do with the patch anyways.
    Of course we all know the reality of what the hierarchy is when it comes to fixes for issues in the game, but a patch like this is really a strong double middle finger reminder for single player Franchise folks especially.
    What concerns me..or I should say disappoints me..is I’m pretty sure the dev team knows about CPU ball carriers not juking for several updates..and this was rushed update to fix an update from last update..i shouldn’t be shocked as MUT and H2H sit in front seat of the bus..but just disheartening
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    I agree, this title update didn't have any meat and potatoes to it, so, I'm assuming it was easier and quicker to fix something from last week and hoping the meat and potatoes arrive shortly thereafter.
    The only positive about this title update, little to no chance of disrupting other parts of the game.
    I have been silent on the cpu no special moves issue waiting patiently to now. EA please fix, it’s a bummer thinking I need to go buy day 1 release on disc.
    l8knight1
    I have been silent on the cpu no special moves issue waiting patiently to now. EA please fix, it’s a bummer thinking I need to go buy day 1 release on disc.

    If you delete everything, you can Redbox rent the disk, download, stay offline and play no patch/update version 1.0.0.5 without the disk.
    So I have an external drive for the unpatched version I can play offline and the updated game on the XB1.
    Was surprised when this worked because previously always needed the disk.
    Parker34
    I'm at work. cant wait to hear impressions. Side note...isnt it sad that we as the consumer have to sit around for months hoping that with each patch we will finally have a sim playing game. It's just crazy! They dont even inform us that they are working on issues like the CPU special moves not triggering correctly etc. From a sim prospective can you imagine if 2k could make a football game? 2k basically shut down the NBA live series due to sim gameplay but in football there is no comp. I will continue to play Madden only because it's my only choice. My apologies for venting here.

    CPU ball carrier moves is really my only gripe. We don’t know if they are even aware of it or not. Smh. It kind of aggravates me when I see a patch drop and a fix is not in the notes!
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    l8knight1
    I have been silent on the cpu no special moves issue waiting patiently to now. EA please fix, it’s a bummer thinking I need to go buy day 1 release on disc.

    Don’t be silent. We need you to ROAR as loud as possible about this!!!! Maybe the right person may hear you!
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    ripcandlestickpark
    I'm not getting my hopes up, but can anyone check if an under-the-radar fix was made to the 49ers' end zone art?
    This is the incorrect, outdated version that patch 1.10 reverted to for some reason.
    The correct version should be this (the 2018 version, in the game at launch) or this (from this season).

    Just checked for myself. Still the outdated one, unfortunately.
    Weird thing happened not sure if anyone has come across this. But I was playing against the Ravens at LE and warped across the line when the ball was hiked sacking Lamar Jackson. He got injured with a broken collarbone out 7 weeks.
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    GrayDawg
    Weird thing happened not sure if anyone has come across this. But I was playing against the Ravens at LE and warped across the line when the ball was hiked sacking Lamar Jackson. He got injured with a broken collarbone out 7 weeks.
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    the game is broken
    I try not to complain. I really do. It's just a game, but come on. An update strips the cpu runners of special moves. No update. Kicking meter glitched since launch. No update. But the Enforcer window is too small and impacts MUT? Emergency update within days. It's how it is now and it's lame.
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    GrayDawg
    Weird thing happened not sure if anyone has come across this. But I was playing against the Ravens at LE and warped across the line when the ball was hiked sacking Lamar Jackson. He got injured with a broken collarbone out 7 weeks.
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    I'm seeing odd things just about every game. Not all of them are as bizarre as this, but I've seen things like passes go directly to a defender instead of my intended target, who is 5 yards away. I've seen 2 blockers ignore 2 defenders in the open field with no one else around. I've seen my players hit some kind of invisible wall for a second or two.
    My conclusion is that the foundation of the game has issues that cannot be fixed or bandaged over. It's up to you to decide if you can live with it or not.
    matthewk
    I'm seeing odd things just about every game. Not all of them are as bizarre as this, but I've seen things like passes go directly to a defender instead of my intended target, who is 5 yards away. I've seen 2 blockers ignore 2 defenders in the open field with no one else around. I've seen my players hit some kind of invisible wall for a second or two.
    My conclusion is that the foundation of the game has issues that cannot be fixed or bandaged over. It's up to you to decide if you can live with it or not.

    The random user QBs throwing pics to a defender 5 yrds away has been in the game for atleast 4 yrs now. That's why I leave QB accuracy on 50 for the user, especially on AM. Game has cleaning up like every yr. To me the game definitely isn't broken like some have stated. With the tweaks I've made & X factors off, I think it's one of the top Maddens.
    khaliib
    Honestly, what where the “critical” issues that impacted Offline gamers dealing with the 1st initial patch/update?

    Patch 1.11 removed all special CPU Ballcarrier moves. In some people’s opinion this is not critical. Some people like runners to run north south , some runners do usually big backs power runners and some Ballcarriers pivots ..stops ..cuts..just natural.
    Again it’s all what you like and “how” you play this game ..for me it was a critical
    issue..for others not so much.
    DaReal Milticket
    The random user QBs throwing pics to a defender 5 yrds away has been in the game for atleast 4 yrs now. That's why I leave QB accuracy on 50 for the user, especially on AM. Game has cleaning up like every yr. To me the game definitely isn't broken like some have stated. With the tweaks I've made & X factors off, I think it's one of the top Maddens.

    Amen. Quick tip on errant throws concerning "stop-routes". Wait for receiver to plant-use even pressure to pass with lead stick at 6 O'clock. Curls, sticks , etc were all over the place for me until doing this. This latest patch has done nothing to change this. Peace Mil.
    edgevoice
    Amen. Quick tip on errant throws concerning "stop-routes". Wait for receiver to plant-use even pressure to pass with lead stick at 6 O'clock. Curls, sticks , etc were all over the place for me until doing this. This latest patch has done nothing to change this. Peace Mil.

    Thanks for the tip Edge! I'll try to incorporate that more while I play ( I'm bad at remembering certain things like this lol). I have to admit I need to get better on the sticks & be more aware/utilize the tools that the devs have given on both sides of the ball (as long as they work as intended lol).
    GrayDawg
    Weird thing happened not sure if anyone has come across this. But I was playing against the Ravens at LE and warped across the line when the ball was hiked sacking Lamar Jackson. He got injured with a broken collarbone out 7 weeks.
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    I got in two games last night and noticed a lot of odd animations.
    My CB had a perfect angle on the sideline to tackle the CPU RB about 15 yards downfield. He got about 3 yards away from him then let up, as if waiting, allowing time for an OL to get downfield and block him.
    Noticed several comeback routes where the receiver never looks for the ball, they plant and turn and sprint back towards the LOS.
    Receivers have a very rigid transition from running to sprinting. They'll go from "stuck in the mud" to full speed with no transition or build up.
    I never saw any of these things before the latest patch.
    DaReal Milticket
    Thanks for the tip Edge! I'll try to incorporate that more while I play ( I'm bad at remembering certain things like this lol). I have to admit I need to get better on the sticks & be more aware/utilize the tools that the devs have given on both sides of the ball (as long as they work as intended lol).

    Lol, Like most things, I figured this out quite by accident. I'm currently playing with accuracy slider at 35, but on All Pro. Even without sliders, the only crazy way-off throws I've notice started last year regarding these stop routes. Aiming passing at 6 helps to put the ball in front of the receiver on stop routes for me. After every patch, I run thru my plays to see if any other portion of gameplay not mentioned has been augmented. Peace and have fun on PC.
    ehh
    I got in two games last night and noticed a lot of odd animations.
    My CB had a perfect angle on the sideline to tackle the CPU RB about 15 yards downfield. He got about 3 yards away from him then let up, as if waiting, allowing time for an OL to get downfield and block him.
    Noticed several comeback routes where the receiver never looks for the ball, they plant and turn and sprint back towards the LOS.
    Receivers have a very rigid transition from running to sprinting. They'll go from "stuck in the mud" to full speed with no transition or build up.
    I never saw any of these things before the latest patch.
    There are definitely some odd stuff with animations going on. I keep saying what is this! Players standing frozen out of bounds after a score. Running backs stuck in tackle animations. Hoping this stuff gets fixed soon.
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    DaReal Milticket
    With the tweaks I've made & X factors off, I think it's one of the top Maddens.

    With X Factors off do you still feel the difference in the studs from the average joe?
    What other tweaks have you made?
    GrayDawg
    Weird thing happened not sure if anyone has come across this. But I was playing against the Ravens at LE and warped across the line when the ball was hiked sacking Lamar Jackson. He got injured with a broken collarbone out 7 weeks.
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    i feel like there is always a bunch of wonkery in the game, the first game i play after a patch, then things kind of settle themselves in. maybe just coincidence, but hey.
    packers96
    Next patch EA needs fix the CPU running game !! I played against the Niners in All Pro difficult level and Matt Breida runs for only 8 yards !!!

    Always a good idea to make gameplay title patches based on one game samples don't you think ?
    briz1046
    Always a good idea to make gameplay title patches based on one game samples don't you think ?

    I might agree with you but it wasn't the first game that the CPU running game didn't work. This problem has been happening since patch 1.13.
    briz1046
    Always a good idea to make gameplay title patches based on one game samples don't you think ?

    I have experienced this as well. I don’t typically play CPU, but I when was practicing defense today for a CFM game that’s coming up, I noticed that Matt Breida wasn’t attempting anything with the ball in his hands. It appeared that he wasn’t sprinting either.
    Not sure how long this has been a problem. I know when the game first came out, the CPU ball carrier could do some damage.
    I'm continuing to see a lot of bad animations, crazy warping, and all-around nonsense that I didn't see before this patch. The game went from the smoothest Madden ever to a bit of a mess.
    The animations are wonky in every aspect of the game. OL/DL interaction, pass defense, simple catch-and-run situations, etc.
    I have been renting Madden for past 2 months. Since I just bought NCAA 14, I might just return it. I might consider renting again around late December early January. I rather just wait until this game is in a better state and franchise gets some attention
    packers96
    Next patch EA needs fix the CPU running game !! I played against the Niners in All Pro difficult level and Matt Breida runs for only 8 yards !!!

    I just played one game where the CPU had a 61 to 14 split in a game they were leading until late in the 4th. Every game the split towards passing are weighted way too much to the passing.
    ehh
    I'm continuing to see a lot of bad animations, crazy warping, and all-around nonsense that I didn't see before this patch. The game went from the smoothest Madden ever to a bit of a mess.
    The animations are wonky in every aspect of the game. OL/DL interaction, pass defense, simple catch-and-run situations, etc.

    I felt your pain last year when the last Madden 19 patched dropped. The gameplay was awful. I tried a re-install as well as re-importing my slider sets. Nothing worked. However, once the next season began in my CFM, everything was fine.
    I do run in to some wonky gameplay the first game after setting sliders. Then things settle. This year, I made sure to play the 3rd preseason game repeatedly to get my settings right. So far, no adjustments needed.
    All I could suggest is that you re-install and re-import your sliders. Didn't work for me last year, but maybe it will do the trick regarding M20.
    I can honestly tell you guys since Madden 2005, it is what it is. It plays an acceptable game of football. If you want to really pick this game apart, I played face of the franchise up until week 17 and I can tell you Madden is broken in SEVERAL areas and for a ton of users it is absolutely game breaking. From gameplay, to sim, to everything in between there is an issue.
    In Franchise mode it plays better, especially with abilities of which I kind of hate because I really enjoy game planing around studs, but seemingly it causes everything around the studs to not play right. It’s weird and had I not turned them off for over 20 games I would have never believed it. This patch didn’t do much which is kinda indicative of what we have received in whole as a community since the license was bought. Is what it is I suppose. It quenches my occasional football thirst. Each patch fixes something as intended while completely blowing an entire facet of the game. It’s crazy. Never in a company could you produce a product as dysfunctional for over 14 years and not just make a profit but bounced out of the industry entirely is beyond me, yet here we are.
    This isn’t blasting “troll” style people, I am just giving realistic expectations going forward. This game is going to have to be scrapped down to literally 10101010101 again to be good and Oldenburg and company has to just go away. I have zero doubts that the team works hard and has good intentions but for people who have “experience and NFL insight” on OL\DL play and it’s still aweful is indicative of just how naive and non aware this team is in delivering an honest experience and/or fixing legacy issues. To sum it...Madden is what it is...it’s a Land Rover Evoque shell with Ford Escape insides. All shine (and really once you play face of the franchise and see Madden in its entirety, it’s not great) and zero performance. I get you sliders gurus got this game tuned to play great and for that I give. Standing O! But how did that take? I mean honestly? Every patch “recalibration” takes how long? Would you spend $90k on a BMW m3 if you had to spend weeks calibrating it to run as it should before finally enjoying it, only for BMW to continually release a BT patch that would again send you into weeks of recalibration to get your M3 to drive as it should in the first place. I seriously doubt it. Lesson learned for me. This Madden was it. Appreciate the hard work and time everyone put into this product, been a great ride but wow.
    BlackBetty15

    Each patch fixes something as intended while completely blowing an entire facet of the game. It’s crazy.

    Overall, I've had a good time with Madden this generation (especially with M16 and M17; M20 seems promising so far), but this has been one of my biggest frustrations with the series over the past few years. Anecdotally, it seems like the move to Frostbite in M18 exacerbated the pattern of patches having random, unintended effects.
    Going off what you mentioned in the beginning of your last paragraph, I've started to wonder about what Tiburon's plan is for the next generation. Given all the horror stories we hear about code from multiple console generations ago, I'm genuinely curious if they'll attempt a built-from-the-ground-up sort of deal (like M06 on the XBOX 360) or if their next generation debut be a port of what we have currently (like M25 on the current generation).
    It's clear and evident where the franchise is headed if you watch any nationally televised game. During Monday night football, a ad for MUT came across the screen.
    Anyone still frustrated with the way the game is headed is holding on to falsehoods and hope some CFM and sim elements get some love.
    Rinse, wash, repeat realistic expectations for 14 years.
    No matter how loud or adamant or even constructive criticism how one becomes, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
    roadman
    It's clear and evident where the franchise is headed if you watch any nationally televised game. During Monday night football, a ad for MUT came across the screen.
    Anyone still frustrated with the way the game is headed is holding on to falsehoods and hope some CFM and sim elements get some love.
    Rinse, wash, repeat realistic expectations for 14 years.
    No matter how loud or adamant or even constructive criticism how one becomes, it doesn't seem to make a difference.

    I feel there needs to be an organized effort to make change as far as cfm goes. Gameplay guys would need to suppress their own wants and join together with the franchise players and bombard all madden/designer twitter accounts, all surveys and feedback requests from EA, etc and have a unified voice to upgrade cfm. What’s the #1 request by the Madden community? We should make it to where it’s unquestionably seeing upgrades for cfm in Madden 21.
    lions2k9
    I feel there needs to be an organized effort to make change as far as cfm goes. Gameplay guys would need to suppress their own wants and join together with the franchise players and bombard all madden/designer twitter accounts, all surveys and feedback requests from EA, etc and have a unified voice to upgrade cfm. What’s the #1 request by the Madden community? We should make it to where it’s unquestionably seeing upgrades for cfm in Madden 21.

    Gameplay will always be number one for me. I don't want to spend my time in menus, sure CFM can always improve & needs to evolve. I think the same can be said for your suppressive wants. Offline franchise gamers don't show up, simple as that. When the devs were on Twitter ppl tried this already and I think 3 ppl from OS retweeted it, that's it. More then half of the ppl didn't even know what Twitter was and weren't interested in even using it, but instead would rather waste energy on here taking jabs at the game.
    DaReal Milticket
    Gameplay will always be number one for me. I don't want to spend my time in menus, sure CFM can always improve & needs to evolve. I think the same can be said for your suppressive wants.

    Gameplay continues to get attention every year because it’s the most important aspect of a video game. I just think at this point in time, for one freaking year we can see cfm finally get real attention. If you think gameplay won’t have changes just because cfm is getting upgraded, that’s silly. Gameplay would still get touched on by the madden team regardless. I just feel a unified voice of the community for at least one cycle should pound the table for cfm.
    roadman
    It's clear and evident where the franchise is headed if you watch any nationally televised game. During Monday night football, a ad for MUT came across the screen.
    Anyone still frustrated with the way the game is headed is holding on to falsehoods and hope some CFM and sim elements get some love.
    Rinse, wash, repeat realistic expectations for 14 years.
    No matter how loud or adamant or even constructive criticism how one becomes, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
    This is exactly how I feel. I want a good solid franchise mode and we just don't have that with Madden. I fear we'll never have that unfortunately. I'm hoping games like axis football can become a decent alternative for people who want a pro football game. Their franchise mode as it stands, is far superior to that of Madden and their an indy. Their gameplay and visuals are of course far behind but still, they have like 3 people and were able to add a lot of things we've been asking to have in Madden for years. I just don't understand EA and their priorities anymore.
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    callmetaternuts
    Here we are in October waiting on “Mid-Sept” items that are somewhat CFM targeted. Cmon EA.
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    But the two days of the hurricane delayed it!
    Next patch better be massive if they're taking this long on it
    Sphinx
    This is exactly how I feel. I want a good solid franchise mode and we just don't have that with Madden. I fear we'll never have that unfortunately. I'm hoping games like axis football can become a decent alternative for people who want a pro football game. Their franchise mode as it stands, is far superior to that of Madden and their an indy. Their gameplay and visuals are of course far behind but still, they have like 3 people and were able to add a lot of things we've been asking to have in Madden for years. I just don't understand EA and their priorities anymore.
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    If they can't get in on the license, 2k Sports needs to make a pro football game where the team names, stadiums, uniforms, players and coaches can all be fully customized. Make it where you can transfer logos onto a USB drive and import them into the game as well. 2k knows how to make a great NFL game.
    callmetaternuts
    Here we are in October waiting on “Mid-Sept” items that are somewhat CFM targeted. Cmon EA.
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    Actually, I noticed JP noted on Twitter yesterday that the hurricane set everything back a week or two, even though a few post above me is mocking the hurricane threat, which is fine.
    lions2k9
    Gameplay continues to get attention every year because it’s the most important aspect of a video game. I just think at this point in time, for one freaking year we can see cfm finally get real attention. If you think gameplay won’t have changes just because cfm is getting upgraded, that’s silly. Gameplay would still get touched on by the madden team regardless. I just feel a unified voice of the community for at least one cycle should pound the table for cfm.

    Maybe you misunderstood my post, but what is one year of unifying different than 14 years of pounding that same table.
    BigOrangeVol4Life
    If they can't get in on the license, 2k Sports needs to make a pro football game where the team names, stadiums, uniforms, players and coaches can all be fully customized. Make it where you can transfer logos onto a USB drive and import them into the game as well. 2k knows how to make a great NFL game.

    They took a chance with APF and failed.
    Once bitten, twice shy.
    Even though that wasn't about customization, people tried to rally around it and it didn't perform well.
    All comes down to is there a profitable market for that?
    roadman
    Actually, I noticed JP noted on Twitter yesterday that the hurricane set everything back a week or two, even though a few post above me is mocking the hurricane threat, which is fine.

    Wait, a 2 day delay caused a 2 week postponement? And if that’s true, they don’t bother to update us it at least announce there will be a delay? That’s crap marketing and customer engagement.
    They under promise and under deliver. This should be embarrassing for them but they aren’t.
    I get being a week late but now to be 2-3 weeks late (at best). Cmon.
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    callmetaternuts
    Wait, a 2 day delay caused a 2 week postponement? And if that’s true, they don’t bother to update us it at least announce there will be a delay? That’s crap marketing and customer engagement.
    They under promise and under deliver. This should be embarrassing for them but they aren’t.
    I get being a week late but now to be 2-3 weeks late (at best). Cmon.
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    How are they updating us when some of the developers existed Twitter? The only one left is Kraelo is he is besieged by the competitive and MUT crowd.
    We all know how this all plays out. A delay here and there delays in house testing and also sets back PS and MS testing.
    Let's hope the patience and wait is worth it.
    I did say one to two week delay.
    Whenever they release these schedules I always look at it as if it’s probably 1 week later, we have to keep in mind the history of these things, other than streams when have they had a schedule for something and it actually happen on that day? I fully expect this stuff to be released this week and if not they need to be prepared for the repercussions that follow.
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    roadman
    How are they updating us when some of the developers existed Twitter? The only one left is Kraelo is he is besieged by the competitive and MUT crowd.
    We all know how this all plays out. A delay here and there delays in house testing and also sets back PS and MS testing.
    Let's hope the patience and wait is worth it.
    I did say one to two week delay.

    I remember the days of one update a yr and it was called release day. I think we're spoiled with updates nowadays. I honestly don't see the big deal, when it drops it drops. More to life than a patch lol
    DaReal Milticket
    I remember the days of one update a yr and it was called release day. I think we're spoiled with updates nowadays. I honestly don't see the big deal, when it drops it drops. More to life than a patch lol

    And that's what happens when you try to be transparent, but sometimes life can get in the way of schedules and deadlines.
    Now we know why companies don't like to quote a exact date when a patch drops.
    roadman
    And that's what happens when you try to be transparent, but sometimes life can get in the way of schedules and deadlines.
    Now we know why companies don't like to quote a exact date when a patch drops.

    This is a thin excuse. They dropped the schedule. We get it, things happen but they could at least update it. Just leaving it as is demonstrates a lack of awareness.
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    callmetaternuts
    This is a thin excuse. They dropped the schedule. We get it, things happen but they could at least update it. Just leaving it as is demonstrates a lack of awareness.
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    I get it, but it happens in life and business, sorry, deadlines get pushed back a lot for a lot of reasons.
    And if they put out another date and it was missed????????????????????
    roadman
    Maybe you misunderstood my post, but what is one year of unifying different than 14 years of pounding that same table.

    You’re quoting a post that was in response to someone else.
    It’s too easy of an out for them not to do anything with cfm if the requests are all over the place. If they are bombarded with everyone saying the exact same thing on repeat I believe it would force them to give some love to cfm. If we don’t, then we’ll just sit back and get what we get.. which for the last 14 years has been crapola.
    lions2k9
    You’re quoting a post that was in response to someone else.
    It’s too easy of an out for them not to do anything with cfm if the requests are all over the place. If they are bombarded with everyone saying the exact same thing on repeat I believe it would force them to give some love to cfm. If we don’t, then we’ll just sit back and get what we get.. which for the last 14 years has been crapola.

    Agree, but that what has happened since Madden 13 with the introduction of XP and scaling back of FM? There are wish list of CFM on OS four times per year.
    Dueces CFM manifesto has been with the developers for a few years.
    There hasn't been any sitting back on CFM.
    History is a good predictor of the future and I haven't seen it and there has been a considerable amount of ideas thrown about since Madden 13, several years ago.
    And who would you address this to since most if not all the developers have flown the coop off of Twitter?
    I would love to be proven wrong, though. It all depends on Marketing and the people upstairs.
    Tucker, to answer your question, there hasn't been a title update dropped since last week and the CPU ball carriers special moves were not updated at that time.
    DaReal Milticket
    Gameplay will always be number one for me. I don't want to spend my time in menus, sure CFM can always improve & needs to evolve. I think the same can be said for your suppressive wants. Offline franchise gamers don't show up, simple as that. When the devs were on Twitter ppl tried this already and I think 3 ppl from OS retweeted it, that's it. More then half of the ppl didn't even know what Twitter was and weren't interested in even using it, but instead would rather waste energy on here taking jabs at the game.
    Gameplay is important and always will be especially with competitive tournaments they have now. Its a dream at best to think they will make franchise a great mode. When they have had chances to do so they put something else out there. Doesn't matter what it is gameplay, lighting, roster addons, mut, and new modes. Anything and everything else matters more to them and if a change affects franchise in some way they count it as them doing something for franchise. The effort alone is the indicator as to how important the mode is and it just isn't. They don't want a great franchise mode, they are fine with good enough. The problem is good enough is often far away from good as is the case with Madden.
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    roadman
    I get it, but it happens in life and business, sorry, deadlines get pushed back a lot for a lot of reasons.
    And if they put out another date and it was missed????????????????????

    They do get pushed back for reasons, but they obviously set this on there own. If it got pushed back again then shame on them. Get better at managing expectations, setting goals and doing their job. I don’t care if it’s coding or whatever, it’s the same in all facets of life. Set a goal or expectation you better hit it or have rationale as to why it was missed. Then you reset and go.
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    tuckermaine
    So...may I ask has the CPU Ballcarriers special moves been fixed..?

    With the exception of CPU Barkley doing a spin move in the open field once I have watched five games with different teams and backs and running straight ahead is pretty much all they do..
    :
    NINJAK2
    With the exception of CPU Barkley doing a spin move in the open field once I have watched five games with different teams and backs and running straight ahead is pretty much all they do..

    :brickwall...thanks ..kind of figured..thanks for responding..back to NBA 2k
    GrayDawg
    Gameplay is important and always will be especially with competitive tournaments they have now. Its a dream at best to think they will make franchise a great mode. When they have had chances to do so they put something else out there. Doesn't matter what it is gameplay, lighting, roster addons, mut, and new modes. Anything and everything else matters more to them and if a change affects franchise in some way they count it as them doing something for franchise. The effort alone is the indicator as to how important the mode is and it just isn't. They don't want a great franchise mode, they are fine with good enough. The problem is good enough is often far away from good as is the case with Madden.
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    I think everyone sees effort differently no matter what it is. Everyone should know by now how it's going go & how EA decides to handle their product (I think they've handled the updates well & seem more organized then the past). Like any game I take it for what it is and have a good time with it. It still satisfies my football sim dork in me & once it doesn't than I'll move on. I think you make good pts, just where I'm at on Madden island.
    callmetaternuts
    They do get pushed back for reasons, but they obviously set this on there own. If it got pushed back again then shame on them. Get better at managing expectations, setting goals and doing their job. I don’t care if it’s coding or whatever, it’s the same in all facets of life. Set a goal or expectation you better hit it or have rationale as to why it was missed. Then you reset and go.
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    I understand your point of view, but again, it could have been set back again with in house testing caught or MS or PS caught something.
    And going back to the beginning, the initial target date was missed because of the hurricane, which is something that they can't control.
    I highly doubt they would want to put out another target date for lightening to strike twice.(or a hurricane, sorry, couldn't resist the pun)
    DaReal Milticket
    I think everyone sees effort differently no matter what it is. Everyone should know by now how it's going go & how EA decides to handle their product (I think they've handled the updates well & seem more organized then the past). Like any game I take it for what it is and have a good time with it. It still satisfies my football sim dork in me & once it doesn't than I'll move on. I think you make good pts, just where I'm at on Madden island.
    I have fun as well. That is not to diminish what good work that has been done on the lower levels of the development team. I do appreciate what has been done. The decision making and lack of vision is more what I question. Last I heard francise was something like 60% of players play franchise. If that is even close to being true shouldn't the quality of your game reflect that.
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    DaReal Milticket
    I remember the days of one update a yr and it was called release day. I think we're spoiled with updates nowadays. I honestly don't see the big deal, when it drops it drops. More to life than a patch lol

    There was also a time when surgery, science, and technology were archaic yet now they aren’t. With great new innovative power comes greater responsibility. I mean honestly, ring spoiled is a true cop out of the immense variety. They release an inferior product that demand and planned for content. How pissed to do you get when FORD and Chevy constantly have callbacks from faulty manufacture parts? Or TESLA when it has a massive update to the entire vehicle? My point is, Madden has a market directed at micro transactions and tournament gaming. You, me, roadman and “archaic” old men don’t matter anymore because that’s not where the money is made. The update the game for the tournament players not us. Never have and never will. The stock game WAS the best playable version because that was their intended release. You want Madden NOW as it is? Play on competitive because that’s how it’s designed. Simulation is literally a sign on a pile of dung that says “free chocolate”. I think the phrase would be “consumer expectations” and not spoiled. Same as I go to my chiropractor for cryotherapy after a tough week of rolling, I expect them to have their damn tech wired right and for them to know exactly how long I should be in there because I could quite literally freeze. I pay for it, I should get it. The best version of it...because that’s my expectation as a consumer...shame on me for thinking “it’s in the game” though...it may be...but it’s half done and got garbage effort from a really experienced crew that knows better. Let’s just say if I was head of the round table haubamiller would be slim and fit from me being so knee deep in his behind on getting this title right and stressing him out and getting knee deep in Clint’s behind for his entitled attitude that he is OL/DL king because of his practice squad days on the redskins mixed with a little ore season games. As you can see over 4 or so years with this crew with haubamiller going back to some frustrating NCAA times has me jaded. 40 hour work weeks or roughly 2080 hours to develop a levitate NFL representation to the effect that was released in 2005 and utilize actual emerging technology effectively is all we ask. Tons of other departments within EA have done yet here we are with Madden.
    BlackBetty15
    There was also a time when surgery, science, and technology were archaic yet now they aren’t. With great new innovative power comes greater responsibility. I mean honestly, ring spoiled is a true cop out of the immense variety. They release an inferior product that demand and planned for content. How pissed to do you get when FORD and Chevy constantly have callbacks from faulty manufacture parts? Or TESLA when it has a massive update to the entire vehicle? My point is, Madden has a market directed at micro transactions and tournament gaming. You, me, roadman and “archaic” old men don’t matter anymore because that’s not where the money is made. The update the game for the tournament players not us. Never have and never will. The stock game WAS the best playable version because that was their intended release. You want Madden NOW as it is? Play on competitive because that’s how it’s designed. Simulation is literally a sign on a pile of dung that says “free chocolate”. I think the phrase would be “consumer expectations” and not spoiled. Same as I go to my chiropractor for cryotherapy after a tough week of rolling, I expect them to have their damn tech wired right and for them to know exactly how long I should be in there because I could quite literally freeze. I pay for it, I should get it. The best version of it...because that’s my expectation as a consumer...shame on me for thinking “it’s in the game” though...it may be...but it’s half done and got garbage effort from a really experienced crew that knows better. Let’s just say if I was head of the round table haubamiller would be slim and fit from me being so knee deep in his behind on getting this title right and stressing him out and getting knee deep in Clint’s behind for his entitled attitude that he is OL/DL king because of his practice squad days on the redskins mixed with a little ore season games. As you can see over 4 or so years with this crew with haubamiller going back to some frustrating NCAA times has me jaded. 40 hour work weeks or roughly 2080 hours to develop a levitate NFL representation to the effect that was released in 2005 and utilize actual emerging technology effectively is all we ask. Tons of other departments within EA have done yet here we are with Madden.

    Don't really see the references as even on the same level compared to a video game. We can agree to disagree, it's honestly not even worth the discussion. It's also steering the thread in a wrong direction.
    DaReal Milticket
    Don't really see the references as even on the same level compared to a video game. We can agree to disagree, it's honestly not even worth the discussion. It's also steering the thread in a wrong direction.

    This thread has been going in the wrong direction since the first page IMO , it was meant I'd imagine as a discussion of the minor patch , but has been more of what isn't in it , and what should have been and what might be in subsequent updates , and why etc ..pretty much just people venting and theorising, no real content to discuss
    roadman
    Agree, but that what has happened since Madden 13 with the introduction of XP and scaling back of FM? There are wish list of CFM on OS four times per year.
    Dueces CFM manifesto has been with the developers for a few years.
    There hasn't been any sitting back on CFM.
    History is a good predictor of the future and I haven't seen it and there has been a considerable amount of ideas thrown about since Madden 13, several years ago.
    And who would you address this to since most if not all the developers have flown the coop off of Twitter?
    I would love to be proven wrong, though. It all depends on Marketing and the people upstairs.
    Tucker, to answer your question, there hasn't been a title update dropped since last week and the CPU ball carriers special moves were not updated at that time.

    Wishlists and manifestos aren’t enough unfortunately. I agree about history and the future but what I’m talking about has never been done. The Madden team didn’t all delete their social media, they just aren’t posting and engaging right now. They will be back, especially when they want to push their product in some way, shape or form.
    lions2k9
    Wishlists and manifestos aren’t enough unfortunately. I agree about history and the future but what I’m talking about has never been done. The Madden team didn’t all delete their social media, they just aren’t posting and engaging right now. They will be back, especially when they want to push their product in some way, shape or form.

    I'll end my last thoughts on this here. We both agree CFM needs a lot more attention and love.
    The people you need to target is marketing and the higher ups above the developers. They don't have social media accounts and they make all the decisions on what goes into the game.
    My point is, you can bomb the developers all you want with a mob mentality on Twitter or Social Media if and when they return, but it's marketing and the higher ups that decide what's in the game. ie Developers go to these folks and state, social media is really hitting us hard about CFM, we need to add more content to CFM. All marketing and the higher ups need to do is say, that isn't where the money is made and here is our stats and sources.
    This has been done before social media became a thing, even Deuce's rebuild for CFM was placed in the appropriate developers hands 3 years ago or so. So, they have the blueprint, but the decision makers above the developers are not being proactive about it.
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/885037-connected-franchise-mode-rebuild.html
    And wouldn't you agree that hitting the developers when they have a game to push is too late in the process?
    callmetaternuts
    This is a thin excuse. They dropped the schedule. We get it, things happen but they could at least update it. Just leaving it as is demonstrates a lack of awareness.
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    Considering the backlash they've received for updates needing a restart of CFM to take hold, I actually wonder if the mid-September update for scenarios was going to require a restart too & they are now still trying to figure out how to push it to existing CFM's.
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    lions2k9
    Wishlists and manifestos aren’t enough unfortunately. I agree about history and the future but what I’m talking about has never been done. The Madden team didn’t all delete their social media, they just aren’t posting and engaging right now. They will be back, especially when they want to push their product in some way, shape or form.

    Madden's general web presence is pathetically small compared it its sales and the entire reason is the poisonous environment that you all create with these ridiculous campaigns. No matter what the problem is the only solution is harassing someone on Twitter. OS should be ashamed of themselves for letting you post here to "recruit".
    EA doesn't care one bit about what you guys post or how often you do it. They are so indifferent that moderated forums like OS and Reddit are permitted to host thousands upon thousands of libelous posts about EA's business practices.
    They don't care because all they are doing on social media is keeping marginal users engaged with the game. The same would be true if the environment weren't so awful. Companies do not generally use social media to solicit your feedback. If they actually want that they are going to shove a survey right into your face.
    stinkubus
    Madden's general web presence is pathetically small compared it its sales and the entire reason is the poisonous environment that you all create with these ridiculous campaigns. No matter what the problem is the only solution is harassing someone on Twitter. OS should be ashamed of themselves for letting you post here to "recruit".
    EA doesn't care one bit about what you guys post or how often you do it. They are so indifferent that moderated forums like OS and Reddit are permitted to host thousands upon thousands of libelous posts about EA's business practices.
    They don't care because all they are doing on social media is keeping marginal users engaged with the game. The same would be true if the environment weren't so awful. Companies do not generally use social media to solicit your feedback. If they actually want that they are going to shove a survey right into your face.

    Not to mention they are collecting data om every game played.
    Game is playing much better now anyway - would like to see completion % come down about 3-5% on average, but otherwise game is very playable atm. (Playing all-madden default except threshold at 75)
    To these other complainers; this is USA. Nothing is stopping you from coding up all this "simple" logic you've articulated in a generic fb game. If I am still alive by the time you get there I'll happily beta test for you.
    In fact, there is a college football game (on these forums). Have a try at that and might change your perspective on how well madden plays in contrast.
    NYJin2011tm
    I chuckle whenever someone compares a video game to a real life thing like a car lol.

    although if you take into account the way some people drive..........
    roadman
    I'll end my last thoughts on this here. We both agree CFM needs a lot more attention and love.
    The people you need to target is marketing and the higher ups above the developers. They don't have social media accounts and they make all the decisions on what goes into the game.
    My point is, you can bomb the developers all you want with a mob mentality on Twitter or Social Media if and when they return, but it's marketing and the higher ups that decide what's in the game. ie Developers go to these folks and state, social media is really hitting us hard about CFM, we need to add more content to CFM. All marketing and the higher ups need to do is say, that isn't where the money is made and here is our stats and sources.
    This has been done before social media became a thing, even Deuce's rebuild for CFM was placed in the appropriate developers hands 3 years ago or so. So, they have the blueprint, but the decision makers above the developers are not being proactive about it.
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/885037-connected-franchise-mode-rebuild.html
    And wouldn't you agree that hitting the developers when they have a game to push is too late in the process?

    To answer your last question first.. That would make sense if they didn’t pop up on social media until Spring of next year. They will be back well before then.
    It’s not mob mentality. It’s also not the ideal solution, it’s something to try to make a difference because everything before it hasn’t worked. It’s simply another idea based on the concept that one large unified voice will make an actual difference.
    stinkubus
    Madden's general web presence is pathetically small compared it its sales and the entire reason is the poisonous environment that you all create with these ridiculous campaigns. No matter what the problem is the only solution is harassing someone on Twitter. OS should be ashamed of themselves for letting you post here to "recruit".
    EA doesn't care one bit about what you guys post or how often you do it. They are so indifferent that moderated forums like OS and Reddit are permitted to host thousands upon thousands of libelous posts about EA's business practices.
    They don't care because all they are doing on social media is keeping marginal users engaged with the game. The same would be true if the environment weren't so awful. Companies do not generally use social media to solicit your feedback. If they actually want that they are going to shove a survey right into your face.

    I don’t create a poisonous environment. I’m also not here suggesting harassment or to “recruit”, which is flat out ridiculous to even say. It’s easy to see where your mind is at and the conclusions you gravitate towards with barely knowing anything about me. That is more poisonous than anything I’ve mentioned in previous posts.
    Anyone reading my previous posts in this thread and somehow built up some ridiculous skit in their mind of gathering thousands of people to go onto personal twitter accounts and yell some dumb “triggered” type comments to developers on repeat has the wrong idea.
    Well, not to change the subject, but if my sources on Twitter are correct:
    New news story revamp (the start) and big Scenario Engine content update in today's #Madden20 Title Update?
    roadman
    Well, not to change the subject, but if my sources on Twitter are correct:
    New news story revamp (the start) and big Scenario Engine content update in today's #Madden20 Title Update?

    Yes Clint is talking about it on Twitch right now and I made a post about it.
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    jpdavis82
    Yes Clint is talking about it on Twitch right now and I made a post about it.
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    Didn't see the post.
    Kick meter fix for Franchise players is in THIS update.
    Plus, this thread will self destruct soon and your post will stay.

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