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Colin Kaepernick Added to Madden NFL 21 - Overall Rating 81, Free Nike Kaepernick Icon Jersey 2.0 Available in The Yard

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Colin Kaepernick Added to Madden NFL 21 - Overall Rating 81, Free Nike Kaepernick Icon Jersey 2.0 Available in The Yard

EA has added Colin Kaepernick to Madden NFL 21, currently the highest rated free agent quarterback available, with an overall 81 rating. Here’s what EA had to say, in the latest Gridiron Notes.

Colin Kaepernick is one of the top free agents in football and a starting-caliber quarterback. The team at EA SPORTS, along with millions of Madden NFL fans, want to see him back in our game. We’ve had a long relationship with Colin through Madden NFL and worked through our past soundtrack mistakes.

Knowing that our EA SPORTS experiences are platforms for players to create, we want to make Madden NFL a place that reflects Colin’s position and talent, rates him as a starting QB, and empowers our fans to express their hopes for the future of football. We’ve worked with Colin to make this possible, and we’re excited to bring it to all of you today. 

Starting today in Madden NFL 21, fans can put Colin Kaepernick at the helm of any NFL team in Franchise mode, as well as play with him in Play Now. We look forward to seeing Colin on Madden NFL teams everywhere.

For Franchise Mode players, simply download the latest roster update, start a new franchise and he will be listed as an available free agent. How did EA manage to get Kap’s overall rating you ask?

Based on Kaepernick’s prior on-the-field performance, combined with our data-driven EA SPORTS ratings simulations, Kaepernick is an 81 OVR, which takes into account that he has not taken the field since 2016. When Kaepernick was a healthy starting quarterback he was rated 89, 89, 81 overall and known for his strong touchdown-to-interception ratio, mobility, and playoff performances. And because this is YOUR franchise, you also have the ability to adjust Kaepernick’s ratings, giving you the flexibility to add him to the 99 Club.

The Nike Kaepernick Icon Jersey 2.0 is also available, free to equip in The Yard. Also of note, Kaepernick will raise his fist as a symbol of Black Power when you choose to celebrate with him, after a big play or touchdown.

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  1. Cool. Dude hasn't played in four years. I won't be picking him or any other guy that's been out of football for 4 years on my squad. Hopefully, he is rated correctly.
    Read a report he was rated an 81 and ranked in the top 15 of all QB's, amazing they came to that conclusion with him having not played in years and not exactly setting the world on fire the last time he did play.
    EDIT - He was rated a 74 last time he was in Madden so I guess he got better while not playing.
    The Chef
    Read a report he was rated an 81 and ranked in the top 15 of all QB's, amazing they came to that conclusion with him having not played in years and not exactly setting the world on fire the last time he did play.

    The social justice warriors would crush EA and the madden team if they put him in and made him awful... Which is exactly what he was the last time he played.
    This is odd given the reason Clowney wasn't on the Madden 21 default roster. They said they couldn't include him because he wasn't signed to a team which neither is Kap.
    Rating seems high but glad he is back. You can always edit the rating if you have an issue with it.
    Does anybody know if he is automatically added to the FA pool in franchise or would you have to restart to have him there?
    The Chef
    Read a report he was rated an 81 and ranked in the top 15 of all QB's, amazing they came to that conclusion with him having not played in years and not exactly setting the world on fire the last time he did play.
    EDIT - He was rated a 74 last time he was in Madden so I guess he got better while not playing.

    My point exactly! If EA wants to put him in the game...hey I'm all for it. It's their game and they can do what they want to do. But, if you want it to be taken seriously and not be seen as some publicity stunt, at least rate him as you would any other player who was 32 y/o and hadn't played in 4 years.
    UFCMPunk
    This is odd given the reason Clowney wasn't on the Madden 21 default roster. They said they couldn't include him because he wasn't signed to a team which neither is Kap.

    EA didn't own the rights to use Jadeveon Clowney in the game until he signed with the Titans.
    Presumably EA signed a separate agreement with Colin Kaepernick in which he granted them permission to use his likeness in the game, similar to how every historic player in Ultimate Team is handled.
    CM Hooe
    EA didn't own the rights to use Jadeveon Clowney in the game until he signed with the Titans.
    Presumably EA signed a separate agreement with Colin Kaepernick in which he granted them permission to use his likeness in the game, similar to how every historic player in Ultimate Team is handled.

    and yet Clowney, and Streveler, and many others aren't in the game. Actual NFL players.
    Resurrection403
    I hate virtue signalling.

    We're not going down this road.
    There's a lot around Colin Kaepernick that one might discuss, and I acknowledge that it's probably impossible to bring his name up without bringing politics into the conversation somewhat.
    With that allowed, let's please keep that discussion focused on Colin Kaepernick, the Madden video game, and the NFL as opposed to general commentary on political and social discourse agnostic of Kaepernick's presence in the game.
    Thanks.
    Resurrection403
    and yet Clowney, and Streveler, and many others aren't in the game. Actual NFL players.

    Why Clowney wasn't in the game at launch is right there in the post you quoted.
    Undrafted rookie free agents never get into the game until they make a roster, EA doesn't have the rights to use those guys until they make the team either. Any UDFAs who do appear on the stock roster have signed agreements with EA prior to the game's release (this is something I've actually talked to Swami about on Twitter, I was curious about whether and when a handful of rookie UDFAs from Virginia would appear in Madden 20).
    Sparkles
    ... yea that rating is such a PR stunt

    The PR team has been working overtime hoping the #'s will go away. If only they could find a way...I can just see them.. I know future franchise blog...quick free game codes...I got it add Kap back!
    CM Hooe
    We're not going down this road.
    There's a lot around Colin Kaepernick that one might discuss, and I acknowledge that it's probably impossible to bring his name up without bringing politics into the conversation somewhat.
    With that allowed, let's please keep that discussion focused on Colin Kaepernick, the Madden video game, and the NFL as opposed to general commentary on political and social discourse agnostic of Kaepernick's presence in the game.
    Thanks.

    Ok how about this. He’s not in the NFL, and when he was in the NFL he was a garbage QB who had a couple good seasons tops. Now he’s rated 81 which puts him ABOVE Derek Carr. I’m not allowed to call that out as dumb virtue signalling? Serious question.
    CM Hooe
    Why Clowney wasn't in the game at launch is right there in the post you quoted.
    Undrafted rookie free agents never get into the game until they make a roster, EA doesn't have the rights to use those guys until they make the team either. Any UDFAs who do appear on the stock roster have signed agreements with EA prior to the game's release (this is something I've actually talked to Swami about on Twitter, I was curious about whether and when a handful of rookie UDFAs from Virginia would appear in Madden 20).

    I’m WELL aware that he wasn’t on a team and couldn’t be in the game before. But he’s been with the Titans for a couple days now, and we have Colin Kaepernick in the god damn game before an actual NFL player. Streveler signed with the Cardinals I think before Clowney did.
    There’s no real justification for this other than it’s EA virtue signalling. Go ahead and censor me if you want.
    If Colin Kaepernick is available in the game right now, I'm curious to know if he has any Superstar abilities / what is his Franchise dev trait.
    We all know what they are doing at this point.
    Between flooding the market with free game codes, and now this. They are trying to save face as much as possible now on a poorly rated title.
    Resurrection403
    I’m not allowed to call that out as dumb virtue signalling? Serious question.

    Operation Sports has a very long-standing and well-established policy against political discussion. We necessarily must relax that rule here a little to discuss Colin Kaepernick at all.
    What we won't do is use politically charged language such as "virtue signaling" because it is politically charged beyond just talking about Colin Kaepernick. Many people incorrectly use the phrase as a sledgehammer to dismiss opinions cut from a certain cloth which they don't agree with, so I am slamming that particular door shut repeatedly here.
    It is entirely possible to discuss whether you agree with Kaepernick's player rating without using that loaded phrase. So don't.
    That's the end of this discussion and I'll be handing out warnings and infractions from here out out in this thread.
    Are there any other examples in past Madden games that we can draw from where they added a player who had been out the league for a substantial amount of time only to be added back in game to be used in Franchise? Josh Gordon maybe? I honestly can't think of any to be able to compare what their ratings were before compared to what it was when they were put back in the game?
    Newlegacy
    I ain't see this much complaining about gronk's rating lmao, you care so much edit it down
    also, this feels like a relevant video
    https://youtu.be/1I0cUTXwr-k

    What is his rating? Did it go up between now and last time he was in the game? My issue isn't just his rating which is ridiculous, it's why EA is even doing this now in the first place. I'd be curious to know if they attempted to get him into the game at any point in the last 4 years or not.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Are there any other examples in past Madden games that we can draw from where they added a player who had been out the league for a substantial amount of time only to be added back in game to be used in Franchise? Josh Gordon maybe? I honestly can't think of any to be able to compare what their ratings were before compared to what it was when they were put back in the game?

    Michael Vick had a 2 year hiatus. dont remember his exact ratings but he went from mid 80s to around a 76-79 when he came back.
    Newlegacy
    I ain't see this much complaining about gronk's rating lmao, you care so much edit it down
    also, this feels like a relevant video
    https://youtu.be/1I0cUTXwr-k

    I don't think were comparing apples to apples here. Gronk is out a yr & actually on a team now & playing this Sunday. He's a future Hall of Famer & when heathy might be one of the best tightends to play the game. Has his overall rating gone up 8 pts since then? Why is Kap better now than 4 yrs ago? What made him better?
    The Chef
    What is his rating? Did it go up between now and last time he was in the game? My issue isn't just his rating which is ridiculous, it's why EA is even doing this now in the first place. I'd be curious to know if they attempted to get him into the game at any point in the last 4 years or not.

    They definitely haven't. I ain't forgot them taking him out the game in the first place(even though that may be a NFL thing instead of EA) they're doing it bc it's a good PR move. Dude shoulda been in the game(and league) for the last 4 years.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Are there any other examples in past Madden games that we can draw from where they added a player who had been out the league for a substantial amount of time only to be added back in game to be used in Franchise? Josh Gordon maybe? I honestly can't think of any to be able to compare what their ratings were before compared to what it was when they were put back in the game?

    Marshawn Lynch had a very high rating when he first re-signed with the Raiders after his long hiatus.
    There just aren't a ton of these situations....
    Also, most of the time when players return after such a long hiatus its due to injury or suspension
    not...you know...being blackballed by the nfl and given sham tryouts that people knew would amount to nothing.
    Newlegacy
    Also, most of the time when players return after such a long hiatus its due to injury or suspension
    not...you know...being blackballed by the nfl and given sham tryouts that people knew would amount to nothing.

    Not going to touch on the second part but regardless if its primarily due to injury, suspension or no team signing him makes no difference. If a player hasn't played the game of football in years it's logical to think he won't simply step on the field and be a better player then he was when he was much younger.
    Newlegacy
    I ain't see this much complaining about gronk's rating lmao, you care so much edit it down
    also, this feels like a relevant video
    https://youtu.be/1I0cUTXwr-k

    Thanks for sharing this, but gonna hit a lot of deaf ears. Gronk is a perfect example, except that he actually left the game after being hobbled by long-term injury issues, and still somehow returned to an elite rating. Lot of ridiculous discussion over an editable rating. Put him down to a 0 and keep it moving, if it bothers you that much.
    B
    Newlegacy

    not...you know...being blackballed by the nfl and given sham tryouts that people knew would amount to nothing.

    He wasn't blackballed. He sucked and was a PR nightmare. He had a couple of good seasons and then defenses figured him out.
    LOL...come on EA...an 81?
    He ranks ahead of 96 Madden 21 quarterbacks, notably Ryan Tannehill (80), Cam Newton (78), Baker Mayfield (78), Kyler Murray (77), Jared Goff (76), Joe Burrow (76) and Teddy Bridgewater (75).
    BTW
    Thanks for sharing this, but gonna hit a lot of deaf ears. Gronk is a perfect example, except that he actually left the game after being hobbled by long-term injury issues, and still somehow returned to an elite rating. Lot of ridiculous discussion over an editable rating. Put him down to a 0 and keep it moving, if it bothers you that much.
    B

    1) It's not an either or...
    2) Gronks overall was lower when he came back than it was when he left. It can be argued that it was still too high.
    3) Gronk missed 1 year; Kap is 4 years and counting.
    4) Somehow Kap's rating is BETTER now than it was the last time he played. How does that work again?
    This would be like if 2k added Lamar Odom to the free agent market and making him an 81 and the highest rated free agent forward in their game.
    The Chef
    Read a report he was rated an 81 and ranked in the top 15 of all QB's, amazing they came to that conclusion with him having not played in years and not exactly setting the world on fire the last time he did play.
    EDIT - He was rated a 74 last time he was in Madden so I guess he got better while not playing.

    They claim his being out of the league for so many years actually played into their decision to rate him as the 15th best QB in the league. SMH
    CM Hooe
    EA didn't own the rights to use Jadeveon Clowney in the game until he signed with the Titans.
    Presumably EA signed a separate agreement with Colin Kaepernick in which he granted them permission to use his likeness in the game, similar to how every historic player in Ultimate Team is handled.

    It's definitely not about the money though...
    Bringing him back is fine, I guess. Bringing him back as an 81 OVR is some unabashed pandering.
    He's 33, he wasn't good when he last played and hasn't thrown a pass in the NFL in nearly four years, and he's ranked better than half the starters in the game? :lol:
    BTW
    Thanks for sharing this, but gonna hit a lot of deaf ears. Gronk is a perfect example, except that he actually left the game after being hobbled by long-term injury issues, and still somehow returned to an elite rating. Lot of ridiculous discussion over an editable rating. Put him down to a 0 and keep it moving, if it bothers you that much.
    B

    Nothing to do with "falling on deaf ears" at all. I don't care if Kap is in the game and his rating is a little bit of a joke compared to where he was rated the last time he appeared in the game, I question the timing of it. As for Gronk, I can't check his ratings from work but if you tell me his rating this year went up significantly vs where it was 2 years ago when he was in the game last then I'd say it's a little bit of a joke as well.
    ChicagoChris
    LOL...come on EA...an 81?
    He ranks ahead of 96 Madden 21 quarterbacks, notably Ryan Tannehill (80), Cam Newton (78), Baker Mayfield (78), Kyler Murray (77), Jared Goff (76), Joe Burrow (76) and Teddy Bridgewater (75).

    Wow. Even Stalin and Pol Pot wouldn't start Kaepernick over Kyler Murray in 2020.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Are there any other examples in past Madden games that we can draw from where they added a player who had been out the league for a substantial amount of time only to be added back in game to be used in Franchise? Josh Gordon maybe? I honestly can't think of any to be able to compare what their ratings were before compared to what it was when they were put back in the game?

    I seem to recall Andre Wadsworth being in for a brief tick, trying a comeback from microfracture surgery.
    .. but nothing like this.
    CM Hooe
    Operation Sports has a very long-standing and well-established policy against political discussion. We necessarily must relax that rule here a little to discuss Colin Kaepernick at all.
    What we won't do is use politically charged language such as "virtue signaling" because it is politically charged beyond just talking about Colin Kaepernick. Many people incorrectly use the phrase as a sledgehammer to dismiss opinions cut from a certain cloth which they don't agree with, so I am slamming that particular door shut repeatedly here.
    It is entirely possible to discuss whether you agree with Kaepernick's player rating without using that loaded phrase. So don't.
    That's the end of this discussion and I'll be handing out warnings and infractions from here out out in this thread.

    I understand where your coming from CM. But if EA is going to bring politics in to the discussion how is that not something worth commenting on in these forums?
    I even said in my post (which was deleted) that I could care less about his choice to kneel for the anthem. I don’t even have a problem with him being in the game since he is technically a “free agent”. But by rating him an 81 and one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the game it is extremely clear what EA is trying to do. If we can’t discuss why we think this decision was made, or why we think it’s a stupid idea then why have a “Colin kaepernick is in the game thread” when this is inevitably where the discussion will go?
    Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious to hear your thoughts since my post was deleted
    Add him back all you want but rate him correctly. He can't have improved after not playing for 4 years. I'd be more OK if they'd just left him at his old rating but to rank him ahead of a lot of young talented QBs is disrespectful.
    Make him a MUT card and then his rating doesn't matter. You're rating him based on whatever season the card is from. Then you can defend a higher rating.
    But to make him a free agent and over-rate him like this isn't the way. It isn't like those that love the guy and want to sign him couldn't have edited him (and most likely still will edit him higher) afterwards anyway. With all that is wrong with the game EA should have focused on any of that instead of a deep dive into political waters that will only divide everyone further.
    To reiterate why we can't entirely separate politics from Colin Kaepernick, EA very clearly isn't either (via @BleacherReport):
    When Colin Kaepernick scores on Madden 21, his signature celebration is a Black Power fist
    @BRGaming @brgridiron
    (via @jordanheckff)

    I also find it notable that Kaepernick's player portrait in free agency doesn't have an NFL shield behind it - rather just a block 7 - and also while a free agent in Franchise his uniform in the player card view is entirely blacked out.
    CM Hooe
    To reiterate why we can't entirely separate politics from Colin Kaepernick, EA very clearly isn't either (via @BleacherReport):
    I also find it notable that Kaepernick's player portrait in free agency doesn't have an NFL shield behind it - rather just a block 7 - and also while a free agent in Franchise his uniform in the player card view is entirely blacked out.

    I am curious how the license agreement works between EA and the NFL. Did the NFL have to approve this addition? Not that they would have rejected it nowadays.
    JoshC1977
    Marshawn Lynch had a very high rating when he first re-signed with the Raiders after his long hiatus.
    There just aren't a ton of these situations....

    They bumped Lynch up a few points last year when he came out of retirement for the Seahawks, but at least in that case he was on an actual NFL team.
    Also, can someone explain what the original tweet means by EA's "soundtrack mistakes"? What did I miss there?
    ehh
    I am curious how the license agreement works between EA and the NFL. Did the NFL have to approve this addition? Not that they would have rejected it nowadays.

    Methinks it was their idea.
    thescoop
    With all that is wrong with the game EA should have focused on any of that instead of a deep dive into political waters that will only divide everyone further.

    You're assuming division isn't the exact reason they did this in the first place. I hate to be that guy and don't pretend to know all the inner workings of what led to him being added but I can't help but think they could have done this at any point in the last 4 years and didn't bother. The very year they are getting destroyed on social media for the lack of franchise updates, being review bombed worse then Last of Us 2 even was and having not just consumers but athletes coming out and negatively talking about the game just happens to be the year they put Kap back in seems a little disingenuous. I feel like they're hoping this will create division amongst the most vocal critics while hoping they split, turn on each other and eat their own or in other words Kap is being used as a trojan horse by EA.
    ehh
    I am curious how the license agreement works between EA and the NFL. Did the NFL have to approve this addition? Not that they would have rejected it nowadays.

    I assume the NFL had to approve this, yes. We know that they were meticulous enough to approve / reject tackling animations in the past, so I have to imagine player celebrations, custom uniforms, and graphics go through the same process.
    The NFL itself recently is doing everything it can to embrace social justice causes without actually saying "Black Lives Matter", so it wouldn't surprise me if they signed off on this even while acknowledging how politically charged the gesture is.
    A small number of very loud mean-spirited people are going to be very angry at EA that this animation is in the game at all. Those people can kick rocks. And it's not like people aren't already mad at Madden for all sorts of reasons anyway, so... lol.
    CM Hooe
    To reiterate why we can't entirely separate politics from Colin Kaepernick, EA very clearly isn't either (via @BleacherReport):
    I also find it notable that Kaepernick's player portrait in free agency doesn't have an NFL shield behind it - rather just a block 7 - and also while a free agent in Franchise his uniform in the player card view is entirely blacked out.

    I'm going to stop short of going in regarding the politics of the move; but I will say that I believe this move was to target a certain audience in hopes that, that audience not only buys more games but also to boost reviews based on things other than the game itself. I honestly think they are desperate man. This was a desperate move IMO.
    CM Hooe
    To reiterate why we can't entirely separate politics from Colin Kaepernick, EA very clearly isn't either (via @BleacherReport):.

    This was my only point. I have no problem putting him back in. After all he is a free agent. But to put in him in the game and make statements like “Colin kaepernick is a starting caliber QB”, or “Colin kaepernick is one of the best quarter backs in the NFL and we feel his 81 overall reflects that” actual statements from their press release. They are making this political. They sure we’re quick to bail on Kaepernick a few years ago when you went as far as removing his name from the soundtrack. This just doesn’t feel natural. It just feels so calculated on the part of EA and that’s what bothers me
    TarHeelPhenom
    I'm going to stop short of going in regarding the politics of the move; but I will say that I believe this move was to target a certain audience in hopes that, that audience not only buys more games but also to boost reviews based on things other than the game itself. I honestly think they are desperate man. This was a desperate move IMO.

    Two thoughts:
    1 - Didn't EA boast last week about record sales and player engagement numbers? I don't think they are desperate whatsoever.
    2 - Even allowing that they might be desperate for good PR, why would a desperate company embrace any person who is remotely political, let alone a lighting rod who has drawn the ire not only a vocal minority of fans but also certain elected officials (at a time where politics are as divisive as they've been at any point in my life)?
    Therebelyell626
    This was my only point. I have no problem putting him back in. After all he is a free agent. But to put in him in the game and make statements like “Colin kaepernick is a starting caliber QB”, or “Colin kaepernick is one of the best quarter backs in the NFL and we feel his 81 overall reflects that” actual statements from their press release. They are making this political.

    Football player evaluation in a vacuum isn't political whatsoever. It is entirely possible to evaluate Colin Kaepernick's on-field tape entirely divorced from his activism.
    It is entirely reasonable to suggest that the player ratings people at EA evaluated Colin Kaepernick as an OVR 81 solely based on tape and that they disagree with the few people in this thread who have opined that Kaepernick "sucks".
    It is also entirely possible (and more likely) that EA boosted Kaepernick beyond what he would otherwise have been graded up to OVR 81 because he is a figure of public interest. Entirely divorced from why he is a figure of public interest, from a game design and marketing standpoint if he did not have usable ratings the impact of this announcement would be minimal.
    4thQtrStre5S
    Cool. So now we can debate politics on OS.

    Not quite. You'll notice there are plenty of moderators in this thread.
    Tread lightly.
    CM Hooe
    Two thoughts:
    1 - Didn't EA boast last week about record sales and player engagement numbers? I don't think they are desperate whatsoever.
    2 - Even allowing that they might be desperate for good PR, why would a desperate company embrace any person who is remotely political, let alone a lighting rod who has drawn the ire not only a vocal minority of fans but also certain elected officials (at a time where politics are as divisive as they've been at any point in my life)?

    Fair enough...at the same time, this man represents a movement of people who have the loudest voices in our country right now. They are young and come from all different ethnicities and they look at Kap as a hero...some even as a martyr. Not saying you are wrong...but my question is why would EA exploit this at a time where they are receiving some of the worst pub I can remember? That's just me tho.
    The Chef
    You're assuming division isn't the exact reason they did this in the first place. I hate to be that guy and don't pretend to know all the inner workings of what led to him being added but I can't help but think they could have done this at any point in the last 4 years and didn't bother. The very year they are getting destroyed on social media for the lack of franchise updates, being review bombed worse then Last of Us 2 even was and having not just consumers but athletes coming out and negatively talking about the game just happens to be the year they put Kap back in seems a little disingenuous. I feel like they're hoping this will create division amongst the most vocal critics while hoping they split, turn on each other and eat their own or in other words Kap is being used as a trojan horse by EA.

    A good point. This is a cheap pop that will win over some folks, further alienate others. This definitely will create a debate that is further away from how poor their title is this year.
    Well done by those who have replaced the OS-illegal "virtue signalling" with the nearly synonymous "pandering."
    IT'S THE SAME THING.
    And mods, you can still do your job and give out warnings and ban people if the political aspect of the conversation gets ugly, but disallowing the phrase "virtue signalling" when that's so clearly what's happened is...well, a few things. But I'll stop there.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Fair enough...at the same time, this man represents a movement of people who have the loudest voices in our country right now. They are young and come from all different ethnicities and they look at Kap as a hero...some even as a martyr. Not saying you are wrong...but my question is why would EA exploit this at a time where they are receiving some of the worst pub I can remember? That's just me tho.

    I think this has the potential to be so divisive, EA wouldn't do this on their own.
    I'm more apt to believe that this is a League survey, they don't have to be 'officially' associated with, to gauge where a portion of their fanbase stands.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Fair enough...at the same time, this man represents a movement of people who have the loudest voices in our country right now. They are young and come from all different ethnicities and they look at Kap as a hero...some even as a martyr. Not saying you are wrong...but my question is why would EA exploit this at a time where they are receiving some of the worst pub I can remember? That's just me tho.

    Calling kaepernick a martyr is very generous. The very definition of martyr is someone who “suffered or endured great hardship because of their beliefs”. It is generally accepted that kaepernick has made more money for his activism since he has been out of football. Nike wasn’t throwing a 100 million dollar shoe deal at him while he was playing. I truly believe kaepernick had no interest in playing football anymore. You could see his disinterest in that last year with the 49ers. But to call him a martyr i
    I just don’t agree with. A hero to some sure. A revolutionary. Sure. Martyr, no.
    A mod in this thread made a food point. It is very possible that if kaepernick stats rendered him unusable in the game it probably would not have garnered any interest whatsoever. I think this is the most likely explanation. I am willing to accept this and move on from this thread, as I really think this thread is going to lead to some bans. I love OS and don’t want to lose my ability to discuss the games I love.
    Kaepernick will be edited to a zero overall punter, where he will languish on the free agent list until he unceremoniously retires. Much like he is now. Not because I have any issue with him or his beliefs, because I don’t. But because I will not have my intelligence insulted
    The Chef
    Read a report he was rated an 81 and ranked in the top 15 of all QB's, amazing they came to that conclusion with him having not played in years and not exactly setting the world on fire the last time he did play.
    EDIT - He was rated a 74 last time he was in Madden so I guess he got better while not playing.

    Yeah.... dude is a mid-tier starting QB rated player while getting older, being dormant, and having a ton of teams pass on him after seeing him work out. It is the dumbest thing ever. T4 spelled this out perfectly here: https://twitter.com/T4Verts/status/1303389162607968256
    EA has gotten so much hate that they're desperate for PR wins. Between the bogus "COVID made it too tough for us to produce a quality game" article last week and now this it's just a joke.
    sinthros
    No issue with him existing in the game but anyone who takes two seconds to think knows the 81 is obviously a joke lol

    Mike McCarthy and Dom Capers made him look like a 99....
    thescoop
    A good point. This is a cheap pop that will win over some folks, further alienate others. This definitely will create a debate that is further away from how poor their title is this year.

    Well said. I've enjoyed the game but this garbage political statement makes me want to get a refund. They don't care about making a great game. They care about money and they care about their PR image. It's shameful.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Well said. I've enjoyed the game but this garbage political statement makes me want to get a refund. They don't care about making a great game. They care about money and they care about their PR image. It's shameful.

    This is one of the most impressive leaps I've seen someone take to push their agenda to dunk on EA and Madden in recent memory. Bravo.
    There are plenty of other threads to talk about your general grievances about EA and Madden in, let's keep this one on-topic, mmkay?
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Well said. I've enjoyed the game but this garbage political statement makes me want to get a refund. They don't care about making a great game. They care about money and they care about their PR image. It's shameful.

    That’s What capitalism and consumerism does. Money and PR are all that matter. All companies are this way.
    WTH, can there be anything in our lives that deals with entertainment, and enjoying getting away from real life BS, that doesnt include Politics, Political Statements, or some BS Movement?
    Fuimus Troes
    Well done by those who have replaced the OS-illegal "virtue signalling" with the nearly synonymous "pandering."
    IT'S THE SAME THING.
    And mods, you can still do your job and give out warnings and ban people if the political aspect of the conversation gets ugly, but disallowing the phrase "virtue signalling" when that's so clearly what's happened is...well, a few things. But I'll stop there.

    It could be because "pandering" has definition and use outside of a very specific type of ad hominem and outside the arena of social justice issues.
    "Virtue signaling" really doesn't.
    You're right that it's being used largely as a fig leaf here. But the charged nature of the terms is different.
    Therebelyell626
    Calling kaepernick a martyr is very generous. The very definition of martyr is someone who “suffered or endured great hardship because of their beliefs”. It is generally accepted that kaepernick has made more money for his activism since he has been out of football. Nike wasn’t throwing a 100 million dollar shoe deal at him while he was playing. I truly believe kaepernick had no interest in playing football anymore. You could see his disinterest in that last year with the 49ers. But to call him a martyr i
    I just don’t agree with. A hero to some sure. A revolutionary. Sure. Martyr, no.
    A mod in this thread made a food point. It is very possible that if kaepernick stats rendered him unusable in the game it probably would not have garnered any interest whatsoever. I think this is the most likely explanation. I am willing to accept this and move on from this thread, as I really think this thread is going to lead to some bans. I love OS and don’t want to lose my ability to discuss the games I love.
    Kaepernick will be edited to a zero overall punter, where he will languish on the free agent list until he unceremoniously retires. Much like he is now. Not because I have any issue with him or his beliefs, because I don’t. But because I will not have my intelligence insulted

    I 100% agree with you. But there are people who believe that he risked everything for the cause; when in actuality he has been paid handsomely for his role in this cause. He has made millions outside of football. That's not the definition of a martyr to me.
    Devildog Frank
    WTH, can there be anything in our lives that deals with entertainment, and enjoying getting away from real life BS, that doesnt include Politics, Political Statements, or some BS Movement?

    See, the thing is that all entertainment was always political in some form.
    The NFL - what with labor unions, a hard salary cap, the concept of free agency, massive television contracts and laws surrounding those, concussion lawsuits, Draconian suspensions for recreation drug use, the idea of The Team over the individual championed by the New England Patriots ("Do Your Job"), among other things - was never an exception.
    If it took Colin Kaepernick to bring the intertwining of sports and politics to your attention, he has done you a service.
    81?? It’s cool he’s at least available in the game but they couldn’t just put him back in with a rating near what he left with? I’m seeing reasons to dislike EA/Tiburon more by each passing day this year. 😂
    CM Hooe
    See, the thing is that all entertainment was always political in some form.
    The NFL - what with labor unions, a hard salary cap, the concept of free agency, massive television contracts and laws surrounding those, concussion lawsuits, Draconian suspensions for recreation drug use, the idea of The Team over the individual championed by the New England Patriots ("Do Your Job"), among other things - was never an exception.
    If it took Colin Kaepernick to bring the intertwining of sports and politics to your attention, he has done you a service.

    Best of luck to you, but you are conversing with people who sincerely believe that kneeling during the anthem is a political statement, but standing during it is not.
    FFS the only reason the anthem even started getting shown on TV was because the DoD and the NFL cooked it up as a PR stunt.
    His rating is what it is. When he was good, he was good. He had a down year his past year in SF but he was also hurt. There's nothing to say that his skillset has declined. Maybe lower his awr to account for time missed? I've read several places that he's continued to work out and stay in shape. Could he step in and be better than Trubisky or Minshew. Maybe. But he's also shown a lot more. He was a starting NFL QB in a super bowl.
    If Brett Favre came out of retirement EA would probably rate him at least an 80.
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    CM Hooe
    This is one of the most impressive leaps I've seen someone take to push their agenda to dunk on EA and Madden in recent memory. Bravo.
    There are plenty of other threads to talk about your general grievances about EA and Madden in, let's keep this one on-topic, mmkay?

    LOL! How is this not on topic? I brought up nothing about the game and it's flaws except that the company is only focused on their PR image right now... which is literally what this entire thread and this decision by EA is about. That is so obvious that it isn't even being debated in here. Nobody in the whole thread thinks Kap was brought back because he is a good football player because nobody here is that naive.
    An my agenda? If you're gonna make claims about me at least educate yourself first. I have been one of the loudest proponents of enjoying this game on here and everyone who is on here knows that. But I'm calling BS when I see it and I would have to have my eyes glued shut right now to not see it.
    4thQtrStre5S
    That is actually false.

    In the case of a publicly traded corporation like EA it most certainly is true. Any board of directors that hurt the bottom line by making political statements would find themselves replaced. This can happen even if a majority of the shareholders are in favor of said political statements. Anyone who hold stock could sue the board for breach of their fiduciary responsibility and force their removal.
    As a Niner fan, and someone whose been rooting for Kap to get a job opportunity over the past four years, I'm happy to see him back in the game. Especially with his afro and tattoos intact.
    Although I have defended his football playing ability to those who say that that's the only thing that's kept him out if the league (psst, he was actually pretty darn good in 2016), an 81 OVR is quite generous, to say the least, for someone whose been out of the league for as long as he has. A rating in the low or mid 70's might have made more sense.
    tommycoa
    That’s What capitalism and consumerism does. Money and PR are all that matter. All companies are this way.

    So then what's the answer? It's not Communism or Socialism. Those systems effectively give all power and rights over to the government and leads to the enslavement of human beings. I don't think there is a good and perfect man made system out there.
    Getting back on topic; based on what I'm seeing on social media, most people appear to be seeing right throught his move. It s going to do more harm than good but hey; it's a distraction from what was being talked about regarding the game last week.
    oneamongthefence
    His rating is what it is. When he was good, he was good. He had a down year his past year in SF but he was also hurt. There's nothing to say that his skillset has declined. Maybe lower his awr to account for time missed? I've read several places that he's continued to work out and stay in shape. Could he step in and be better than Trubisky or Minshew. Maybe. But he's also shown a lot more. He was a starting NFL QB in a super bowl.
    If Brett Favre came out of retirement EA would probably rate him at least an 80.

    At the end of the day I'll give him a more correct rating once I finally decide to start a franchise. EA can have their opinion that's he's an 81 and I can I have mine that he's going to be a lot lower. I won't be making him the lowest rated. I want to keep it realistic.
    TarHeelPhenom
    So then what's the answer? It's not Communism or Socialism. Those systems effectively give all power and rights over to the government and leads to the enslavement of human beings. I don't think there is a good and perfect man made system out there.
    Getting back on topic; based on what I'm seeing on social media, most people appear to be seeing right throught his move. It s going to do more harm than good but hey; it's a distraction from what was being talked about regarding the game last week.

    That’s the problem. Man’s need for a system. We’re not advanced/evolved enough for these complex systems.
    oneamongthefence
    His rating is what it is. When he was good, he was good. He had a down year his past year in SF but he was also hurt. There's nothing to say that his skillset has declined. Maybe lower his awr to account for time missed? I've read several places that he's continued to work out and stay in shape. Could he step in and be better than Trubisky or Minshew. Maybe. But he's also shown a lot more. He was a starting NFL QB in a super bowl.
    If Brett Favre came out of retirement EA would probably rate him at least an 80.
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    And that would be a BS move too. His speed, agility and acceleration ratings would have to be like a 15. His injury rating like a 5 and his arm strength like a 49. His overall would be a 53 lol.
    TarHeelPhenom
    And that would be a BS move too. His speed, agility and acceleration ratings would have to be like a 15. His injury rating like a 5 and his arm strength like a 49. His overall would be a 53 lol.

    But his lawn mowing and jean wearing would be a 99 ;) Everyone would get free Levi's in The Yard for sure.
    Madden08PCgmr
    Mike McCarthy and Dom Capers made him look like a 99....

    Thanks for the laugh man! Bears make a lot of players look like 99 (every Sunday) lol
    PhillyPhanatic14
    But his lawn mowing and jean wearing would be a 99 ;) Everyone would get free Levi's in The Yard for sure.

    Or maybe some Copper Fit haha
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    TarHeelPhenom
    So then what's the answer? It's not Communism or Socialism. Those systems effectively give all power and rights over to the government and leads to the enslavement of human beings. I don't think there is a good and perfect man made system out there.

    Every system is only as benign and resistant to corruption as the people who control it. Maybe the answer is to start advocating for people, not systems.
    Resurrection403
    And yet Chris Streveler, Grey Cup champion who's on the Cardinals roster, isn't in game yet.
    I hate virtue signalling.
    ****ing hell, the dudes 81 too. What a crock of ****.

    I knew it was just a matter of time.
    Watch. They're going to introduce politics in the game showing players kneeling. If that's the case, i'm officially done. I don't need that. Already seen it in games. They enforce this in the front page of all media even ESPN. I don't need it in video games. That would be the last straw for me.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    But his lawn mowing and jean wearing would be a 99 ;) Everyone would get free Levi's in The Yard for sure.

    You know it! As well as those arm and knee pads he and Jerry Rice be promoting lol!
    Kind of glad he was added (don't really care that he wasn't in it to begin with), but 81 is way too high. Low 70's, high 60's seems much more appropriate. He shouldn't be better than half the starting QBs in the league. Off the top of my head Murray is only a 77 and Goff a 76. Bleh
    Milticket
    Thanks for the laugh man! Bears make a lot of players look like 99 (every Sunday) lol

    444 yards... by himself, in that playoff game..
    .. 579 for the 9ers that day.
    Enjoy, Cowboys fans!
    TarHeelPhenom
    And that would be a BS move too. His speed, agility and acceleration ratings would have to be like a 15. His injury rating like a 5 and his arm strength like a 49. His overall would be a 53 lol.

    Favre looks like he's in better shape now then he ever was, doing triathlons with his wife.
    .. and I'm sure he still has a stronger arm than half of the League.
    Its a shame he loves his tractor so much. I really thought he'd be the next Terry Bradshaw on somebodys studio show.
    It's easy pub, combined with making the right people mad in terms of winning social media points. People will either been seen as at best anti-fun, or at worst on the wrong side of things socially/politically.
    Updated OP w/ more details, but EA's official response on his rating.
    Based on Kaepernick’s prior on-the-field performance, combined with our data-driven EA SPORTS ratings simulations, Kaepernick is an 81 OVR, which takes into account that he has not taken the field since 2016. When Kaepernick was a healthy starting quarterback he was rated 89, 89, 81 overall and known for his strong touchdown-to-interception ratio, mobility, and playoff performances. And because this is YOUR franchise, you also have the ability to adjust Kaepernick’s ratings, giving you the flexibility to add him to the 99 Club.
    Learning how many users here are upset at a random prospect that will never happen of *checks notes* football players kneeling against police brutality in a video game sure is something
    CM Hooe
    EA didn't own the rights to use Jadeveon Clowney in the game until he signed with the Titans.
    Presumably EA signed a separate agreement with Colin Kaepernick in which he granted them permission to use his likeness in the game, similar to how every historic player in Ultimate Team is handled.

    I figure it had to do with player rights and EA signing a deal exclusive with Colin to include him. It's funny watching Moody blame EA for not including him in the game but not once mentioning that EA has to have RIGHTS to use him and put him in the game, something they didn't have.
    I wish they could put more free agents in the game - recently retired or whatever. Glad to have him in. Stats are always crazy In madden
    (On the rest of these posts. Wow. I’m ashamed to be in the same community as a lot of you and I could say more but I fear you won’t understand the words, meaning or tone).
    TheRandomOne
    Tmi Tebow = THE ORIGINAL KNEELER
    What has Terrell Owens done ?

    What?? Terrell Owens was the first Hall of Famer in history to reject an invitation to the Hall of Fame Ceremony. When nobody else would dare be that petty...he was at his pettiest. EA can negotiate with him and put him in the game. His profile pick can be with him wearing the gold jacket without the HOF patch!
    TarHeelPhenom
    What?? Terrell Owens was the first Hall of Famer in history to reject an invitation to the Hall of Fame Ceremony. EA can negotiate with him and put him in the game. His profile pick can be with him wearing the gold jacket without the HOF patch!

    Maybe in an anniversary version of that event. But hopefully by that point 2k is kicking EAs *** & EA is crying & begging for customers back
    stinkubus
    If you want to play as Romo he's in MUT this year.

    Yes!! Preordered from Game Stop just to get him! I just want to have him in franchise mode. None of the CAP Faces look anything like him 🤷🏼*♂️
    Considering that NHL 20 had Snoop Dogg, both in the booth and as a playable character, one wonders what EA will think of next.  Is Jim Acosta going to end up in UFC 4?
    Kaepernick wouldn't play again, even if he got an offer.  His current gig is just way too sweet:  why bother running an offense, and running from defensive linemen, when he can still make millions every year, just by running his mouth?
    Memo to EA Sports:  WE PLAY SPORTS GAMES IN ORDER TO GET **AWAY** FROM STUFF LIKE THIS.
    If I wanted politics with my interactive entertainment, I'd play something by Hideo Kojima.
    Therebelyell626
    Calling kaepernick a martyr is very generous. The very definition of martyr is someone who “suffered or endured great hardship because of their beliefs”. It is generally accepted that kaepernick has made more money for his activism since he has been out of football. Nike wasn’t throwing a 100 million dollar shoe deal at him while he was playing. I truly believe kaepernick had no interest in playing football anymore. You could see his disinterest in that last year with the 49ers. But to call him a martyr i
    I just don’t agree with. A hero to some sure. A revolutionary. Sure. Martyr, no.
    A mod in this thread made a food point. It is very possible that if kaepernick stats rendered him unusable in the game it probably would not have garnered any interest whatsoever. I think this is the most likely explanation. I am willing to accept this and move on from this thread, as I really think this thread is going to lead to some bans. I love OS and don’t want to lose my ability to discuss the games I love.
    Kaepernick will be edited to a zero overall punter, where he will languish on the free agent list until he unceremoniously retires. Much like he is now. Not because I have any issue with him or his beliefs, because I don’t. But because I will not have my intelligence insulted

    Generally accepted by whom that he made more money through activism?
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    TarHeelPhenom
    I 100% agree with you. But there are people who believe that he risked everything for the cause; when in actuality he has been paid handsomely for his role in this cause. He has made millions outside of football. That's not the definition of a martyr to me.

    Please show me where he made millions. How much did he make?
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    Dude got replaced by Blaine Gabbert, hasn't played in five years, and now he's rated higher than 17 starting QBs in the NFL.
    Hard pass on this game.

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