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2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '03-'04 Lakers & '01-'02 Kings - Webber Included

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2 More NBA 2K18 Classic Teams Announced - '03-'04 Lakers & '01-'02 Kings - Webber Included

NBA 2K18 is adding 16 more classic teams this year. Today, they revealed the ’03-’04 Lakers & ’01-’02 Kings with Chris Webber!

Which teams are you hoping make the list this year?

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  1. Excited for this Kings squad to finally be a classic team. One of the best ever to never win the title - I say that with all sincerity... and that doesn't take away from how good that team was...
    Also 03-04 Lakers were interesting. Brings me back to my OG Lakers video days and high school. What a roller coaster season. They're fun as hell to use in NBA 2K18 too!
    Perfection.
    I've been really pulling for a legitimate rival for the 2004 Pistons (can only pit them against the 2004 Timberwolves so many times).
    RedRifle442
    C-Webb, I like that. Only a couple franchises without teams left now..
    Right on. Here's who's left (if we assume Kenny Anderson's '93 Nets tweet is legit):
    Washington Wizards
    Indiana Pacers
    Los Angeles Clippers
    New Orleans Pelicans/Hornets
    Oklahoma City Thunder (if you don't count their Seattle team)
    LD2k
    Excited for this Kings squad to finally be a classic team. One of the best ever to never win the title - I say that with all sincerity... and that doesn't take away from how good that team was...
    Also 03-04 Lakers were interesting. Brings me back to my OG Lakers video days and high school. What a roller coaster season. They're fun as hell to use in NBA 2K18 too!

    Is Kobe bald on that squad though?
    LD2k
    Excited for this Kings squad to finally be a classic team. One of the best ever to never win the title - I say that with all sincerity... and that doesn't take away from how good that team was...
    Also 03-04 Lakers were interesting. Brings me back to my OG Lakers video days and high school. What a roller coaster season. They're fun as hell to use in NBA 2K18 too!

    Webber in?!?!?!
    Great additions. Obviously hope we get C-Webb but also hope they give Kobe an accurate player model for this season.
    No baby fro but he wasn't baldhead Kobe just yet.
    01 Kings.
    Yuge
    If I buy 2K this year, it's going to be for the retro teams. More the merrier! I like that early 2000s is retro now..it seems like just yesterday that was life and it would never end. It was a SAD reality watching prime 2000s stars age.
    P.s. No one will complain if you do like 3 early Raptors teams. Think about it.
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    Both teams at a glance:
    2002 Kings
    Chris Webber
    Peja Stojakovic
    Mike Bibby
    Vlade Divac
    Bobby Jackson
    Doug Christie
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Gerald Wallace
    Scot Pollard
    Lawrence Funderburke
    Chucky Brown
    Mateen Cleaves
    The Kings were initially in 2K12 and 2K13 but were pulled when Chris Webber left, so hopefully this is a sign of his return.
    2004 Lakers
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Kobe Bryant
    Karl Malone
    Gary Payton
    Devean George
    Derek Fisher
    Rick Fox
    Slava Medvedenko
    Luke Walton
    Brian Cook
    Kareem Rush
    Bryon Russell
    Probably players on both teams
    Kings
    Mike Bibby (my team 2k17)
    Doug Christie (Knicks and Raptors classics)
    Peja Stojakovic (my team 2k17)
    Chris Webber (my team 2k17)
    Vlade Divac (classic Lakers)
    Bobby Jackson (classic Rockets and new classic Grizzlies)
    Chucky Brown (If Kenny Anderson is right, he is part of both teams)
    Gerald Wallace (He will probably be on the all-time Hornets team, so is a possibility)
    Lakers
    Kobe Bryant
    Rick Fox
    Devean George
    Horace Grant
    Karl Malone
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Gary Payton
    Maybe
    Derek Fisher (3 Lakers teams missing him?)
    Byron Russell (Part of this team and the classic Jazz)
    Luke Walton (HC of the Lakers, so probably in)
    People want to use that 03-04 Lakers team? They were old Malone was 40, Grant was 38, Payton was like 33 and Shaq was ready to go lol
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    I'm glad the 02 kings are in, I'm just hoping the inclusion of the 04 Lakers don't kill the chances of one of the Kobe-Pau teams getting in. Would love to have Odom and Bynum in the game.
    BA2929
    The Hornets have one. It has Zo, Grandmama and Kendall Gill.
    If 2K's trying to match their 30 All-Time teams with at least one classic team for every franchise as well then New Orleans would need a post-2002 team. The 1993 Charlotte Hornets is technically a Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats classic. New Orleans' history is now technically 2002 on forward (aka anything in New Orleans), so a 2008 Chris Paul/Tyson Chandler squad could make sense.
    Cleve07103
    People want to use that 03-04 Lakers team? They were old Malone was 40, Grant was 38, Payton was like 33 and Shaq was ready to go lol
    I reckon they could be pretty dangerous in the video game world where you don't have to account for their chemistry dysfunction and injury issues.
    Also, it really does provide a boost to the whole retro selection when you can piece a rival with a rival. In this case, the 2004 Pistons basically had about three opposition options: the '04 Timberwolves, '05 Suns, and '03 Mavericks. None of those teams really had a quarrel with the 2004 Pistons during their run. But adding the Pistons' 2004 Finals opponent kind of completes the puzzle. And if 2K manages an '02 or '03 Nets team (or an '04 Pacers), all the better.
    VDusen04
    If 2K's trying to match their 30 All-Time teams with at least one classic team for every franchise as well then New Orleans would need a post-2002 team. The 1993 Charlotte Hornets is technically a Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats classic. New Orleans' history is now technically 2002 on forward (aka anything in New Orleans), so a 2008 Chris Paul/Tyson Chandler squad could make sense.

    I'm definitely convinced the Hornets 07-08 Squad is in.
    CP3
    Mo Pete
    Stojakovoc
    West
    Chandler
    Bonzi Wells
    Chris Andersen
    They are all locks to be included. While guys below are on the disc & could be included if not deleted from last year. Also, would need to secure their rights.
    Hilton Armstrong
    Rasual Butler
    Melvin Ely
    Jannero Pargo
    Julian Wright
    Mike James
    midwestking100
    Its good to hear the 02 kings will be back in nba 2k, but im still hoping for more 80s and 90s like teams. Not really a big fan of the 2004 lakers.

    I'm stoked for more Kobe, and hope to god C-Web is in with the Kings.
    That said, I'm with you 100% 80's & 90's NBA is where it's at for me, would be REAL happy if we got a few more teams from those eras!!

    That is what this Kings team looked like in 2k12. Excited to see what the 2k18 models will look like. I keep saying it, but if they can get 96 and 98 Dennis Rodman to look like a scanned player model as well as Bill Russell in 2k17 then they should be able to apply that level to all the Classic player models.
    VDusen04
    If 2K's trying to match their 30 All-Time teams with at least one classic team for every franchise as well then New Orleans would need a post-2002 team. The 1993 Charlotte Hornets is technically a Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats classic. New Orleans' history is now technically 2002 on forward (aka anything in New Orleans), so a 2008 Chris Paul/Tyson Chandler squad could make sense.
    I reckon they could be pretty dangerous in the video game world where you don't have to account for their chemistry dysfunction and injury issues.
    Also, it really does provide a boost to the whole retro selection when you can piece a rival with a rival. In this case, the 2004 Pistons basically had about three opposition options: the '04 Timberwolves, '05 Suns, and '03 Mavericks. None of those teams really had a quarrel with the 2004 Pistons during their run. But adding the Pistons' 2004 Finals opponent kind of completes the puzzle. And if 2K manages an '02 or '03 Nets team (or an '04 Pacers), all the better.
    True but if they rate them correctly those role players will not be that good..payton 14 & 5....Malone 13 & 8.7...Fox was 34 too.
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    Cleve07103
    True but if they rate them correctly those role players will not be that good..payton 14 & 5....Malone 13 & 8.7...Fox was 34 too.
    If I had to guess, I reckon 2K will be very kind with the 2004 Malone and Payton ratings.
    King_B_Mack
    Imma need 2K to have that Kobe hair popping. Don't just throw old Kobe with the bald head on there man.



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    Is LD2K going to allow them to not do 2004 Kobe justice on his player model? Just use the 2001 Lakers Kobe add the tattoo and remove the fro for the short hair.
    Gonna sound real entitled here, but I hope 2k are coming in hard with the retro kicks too, so we can deck these guys out in their proper attire!!
    Seriously? People are happy with a 3rd freaking Shaq-Kobe team and a boring one with players we already had at that?? Also, presenting the 01-02 Kings as if it's a new classic team is just silly. I just knew they were going to do it too, that's the saddest part. Would be even funnier if Webber is not part of it..also with the 04 Lakers, no 09 Lakers who actually are a classic? Guess L2DK put in a favourite Laker team of his..
    daveberg
    Gonna sound real entitled here, but I hope 2k are coming in hard with the retro kicks too, so we can deck these guys out in their proper attire!!

    Pretty sure Kobe's 2004 kicks were in 2k17. So hopefully they still are.
    yellow86
    Seriously? People are happy with a 3rd freaking Shaq-Kobe team and a boring one with players we already had at that?? Also, presenting the 01-02 Kings as if it's a new classic team is just silly. I just knew they were going to do it too, that's the saddest part. Would be even funnier if Webber is not part of it..also with the 04 Lakers, no 09 Lakers who actually are a classic? Guess L2DK put in a favourite Laker team of his..

    I hear you.
    But at this juncture, I'm happy to see more Kobe, and even though it's a little cheap - the return of the Kings.
    VDusen04
    If I had to guess, I reckon 2K will be very kind with the 2004 Malone and Payton ratings.
    They would have to be
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    daveberg
    I hear you.
    But at this juncture, I'm happy to see more Kobe, and even though it's a little cheap - the return of the Kings.

    The 2009 team or the 2010 lakers team would have been a lot better !!!
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    yellow86
    Seriously? People are happy with a 3rd freaking Shaq-Kobe team and a boring one with players we already had at that?? Also, presenting the 01-02 Kings as if it's a new classic team is just silly. I just knew they were going to do it too, that's the saddest part. Would be even funnier if Webber is not part of it..also with the 04 Lakers, no 09 Lakers who actually are a classic? Guess L2DK put in a favourite Laker team of his..
    Maybe it's my Pistons fandom speaking but I'm glad to have the '04 Lakers aboard for the sake of creating a real matchup (with the already included '04 Pistons). I understand your side too considering there's, say, only one Larry Bird Celtics team.
    Regarding the 2002 Kings though, I'm totally cool with championing their re-introduction. I don't think they removed them only for the purpose of re-introducing them years later. They lost Webber, hopefully they've got him back, and I'm pleased about that prospect.
    BA2929
    The Hornets have one. It has Zo, Grandmama and Kendall Gill.

    That's Charlotte, not part of the New Orleans history.
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    Hollywood2417
    The 2009 team or the 2010 lakers team would have been a lot better !!!
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    Actually hoping for 2009 Lakers and 2009 Cavaliers so I can play the Finals matchup that never was but should have been. Also MVP prime LeBron and that Cavaliers team would be so much fun to run with.
    ojandpizza
    That's Charlotte, not part of the New Orleans history.
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    I mis-read the post. When VD said "Hornets" my mind immediately went to Charlotte. I totally forgot they were the New Orleans Hornets for awhile lol
    I have to say I am a little disappointed in this one. The 02 Kings lack novelty given we had them before, and the 04 Lakers were somewhat of a bust considering they were viewed as somewhat of a "super team" pre-season. Easy teams for them to assemble I guess. I guess the 02 Kings are ok to bring back..but they lack the wow factor IMO.
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    If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.
    If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?
    Surely he's in.
    Sellaz32
    I have to say I am a little disappointed in this one. The 02 Kings lack novelty given we had them before, and the 04 Lakers were somewhat of a bust considering they were viewed as somewhat of a "super team" pre-season. Easy teams for them to assemble I guess. I guess the 02 Kings are ok to bring back..but they lack the wow factor IMO.

    I haven't used the 01-02 Kings since the 01-02 season, as I wasn't playing NBA games at the time they were included as a classic team. I took quite the long break from NBA games.
    So they're brand new to me and quiet the novelty.
    MarkWilliam
    If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.
    If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?
    Surely he's in.

    Webber was in my team in NBA 2k17, so I really doubt he won't be in this game
    I know there's 9 teams left ('93 Nets assumed). But I'm really worried we're not going to get a '00s Spurs team. Nearly every new team 2k16 added didn't leave the legacy the '00s spurs did.
    Were they really that boring of a team that 2k thought there were better money teams they could make or what? Duncan is gone and we're left with his rookie version only. Ginobili & Parker are over the hill now & you can't just edit Manu's long hair from '03-'05 in.
    TonGunne
    Webber was in my team in NBA 2k17, so I really doubt he won't be in this game

    Thanks. I'm seeing a lot of doubt in here is all. Thought it was unspoken.
    Anyway Ronnie is tweeting cryptic about it. So he's in haha.
    MarkWilliam
    If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.
    If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?
    Surely he's in.
    I would imagine that to be the case as well. I was just having this discussion elsewhere on the forum today with folks thinking 2K should roll out teams like the '93 Suns whether they have Charles Barkley or not. If you reveal a squad like that without literally calling them the "Barkley-less Suns" or "No-Webber Kings" it'd be a complete disservice.
    I'd say it's relatively safe to assume Webber's back on board, particularly considering the fact he was at least already in 2K on a classic team at some point (2K12). Julius Erving, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Steve Nash are all guys whose rights fell through after appearing before only to return later. It could be a similar case with Webber.
    TonGunne
    Webber was in my team in NBA 2k17, so I really doubt he won't be in this game
    Welp, looks like I need to study your list more closely.
    MarkWilliam
    If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.
    If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?
    Surely he's in.

    I'd say the odds he's in are 100%. There's absolutely no way they'd bring back that team without Webber. He was essentially what made that team "that team". It'd be like having the 85-86 Bulls without Jordan. Or the 90-91 Lakers without Magic.
    MarkWilliam
    Thanks. I'm seeing a lot of doubt in here is all. Thought it was unspoken.
    Anyway Ronnie is tweeting cryptic about it. So he's in haha.

    Haha,
    I can't confirm anything, but would be a bad surprise if he wasn't in
    Cowboyfan_19
    I know there's 9 teams left ('93 Nets assumed). But I'm really worried we're not going to get a '00s Spurs team. Nearly every new team 2k16 added didn't leave the legacy the '00s spurs did.
    Were they really that boring of a team that 2k thought there were better money teams they could make or what? Duncan is gone and we're left with his rookie version only. Ginobili & Parker are over the hill now & you can't just edit Manu's long hair from '03-'05 in.
    I have a fair bit of confidence that one of those Spurs squads will make the cut.
    -2003 would make total sense if a 2003 Nets team makes the cut as well (the latter seems realistically possible).
    -2005 Spurs would make sense because their conference finalist opponent is already in (2005 Suns). Also, you could swap Mehmet Okur for Antonio McDyess and you'd basically have a 2005 Finals opponent for the Spurs too (2004 Pistons).
    -2007 Spurs would make sense because that year's finals opponent is already in the game and accounted for (2007 Cavs).
    I have a tough time not seeing at least one of those clubs make the cut, especially as the 2000's classics begin to mount. As you said, any of those Spurs teams are quintessential 00's.
    VDusen04
    Welp, looks like I need to study your list more closely.

    Hahaha, I did search every card to do that list, so I remember. I can't confirm he is in tho, but would be a big disappointment if he is not
    Steve_OS
    CHRIS WEBBER CONFIRMED!!
    Too fresh. Logo tilt on the headband and everything. Also nice to see the classic Arco floor back in the fold.
    Edit: Somehow I didn't even notice his headband wasn't black like it should be. Since headbands have been tough to user-edit on current gen, hopefully 2K can switch that up prior to release.
    For the sake of comparison:
    Steve_OS
    CHRIS WEBBER CONFIRMED!!

    C-WEBB.
    I am really pleased to see the Kings in -- that team was so much fun to watch.
    I am just as pleased to see the 03-04 Lakers, though. Truly a unique team. You had The Glove, the Mailman, Black Mamba, and The Diesel all on one squad ... if nickname jerseys were a thing then, they'd have the best selling set by team.
    Also, to all the guys calling Karl Malone "old", yeah, the man was 40, but he was still putting up great numbers.
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html#per_game::none
    His stats tanked in 03-04 because of a knee injury and the "vaunted" triangle offense. But the year before that? Killing it. The Mailman is still going to get a good rating I feel, I'd guess somewhere in the 84-87 range. He could have kept on playing, too, if he wanted: the guy was a workout warrior.
    Damn, with Webber in (which was a given since he was in 2k17 MyTeam and they wouldn't just bring back a team without him) there's no chance at Pacers. We could get a 90s Suns pre-Barkley, but doubt it.
    midwestking100
    well one down (Webber) two more to go (Barkley, Miller)

    Really, I was just thinking this.
    I atlas hope we can get one more.
    Can not wait to play with Peja and Hedo also
    yellow86
    Damn, with Webber in (which was a given since he was in 2k17 MyTeam and they wouldn't just bring back a team without him) there's no chance at Pacers. We could get a 90s Suns pre-Barkley, but doubt it.

    What do you base this logic on?
    Please give us bald Karl and short haired Kobe. Oh and purple and black jerseys for the kings.
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    yellow86
    Damn, with Webber in (which was a given since he was in 2k17 MyTeam and they wouldn't just bring back a team without him) there's no chance at Pacers. We could get a 90s Suns pre-Barkley, but doubt it.

    I'm calling the 2014 Pacers.
    I dont care what early 00's Spurs they put in...I just want my long haired Manu, lol
    Steve_OS
    CHRIS WEBBER CONFIRMED!!

    OK, not to nitpick just cause I'm glad C-Webb's in the game in general, but Webber had a little mini-fro that year and the headband color was black for home and away games.
    PeacemanNOT
    They're wearing the Rev30 jerseys that were introduced in 2010. The art team never fails to surprise with their inaccuracy. :jpshakehe

    '03 Mavs away jerseys are messed up too, but that was 2k just being lazy since they removed them in 2k11 and never kept them.
    '04 Wolves logo is wrong too.
    Cowboyfan_19
    '03 Mavs away jerseys are messed up too, but that was 2k just being lazy since they removed them in 2k11 and never kept them.
    '04 Wolves logo is wrong too.

    With the emphasis on scanning jerseys and getting the colors correct, I would hope that these inaccuracies wouldn't be a problem. Or at least allow us to rebrand/create new uniforms for classic teams as well. That way they could be 100 percent accurate uniforms and year specific arenas.
    kurt2134
    You and me both...
    I'm just suprised people aren't more upset rasheed isn't in. The 04 Pistons you can kinda get away with since he was a mid season acquisition. But,the Trail Blazers he was the main focal point. Like others have said, dr. J, Kareem, Steve Nash, & now c-Webb all came back.So, maybe there's a chance for Rasheed
    VDusen04
    If 2K's trying to match their 30 All-Time teams with at least one classic team for every franchise as well then New Orleans would need a post-2002 team. The 1993 Charlotte Hornets is technically a Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats classic. New Orleans' history is now technically 2002 on forward (aka anything in New Orleans), so a 2008 Chris Paul/Tyson Chandler squad could make sense.
    I reckon they could be pretty dangerous in the video game world where you don't have to account for their chemistry dysfunction and injury issues.
    Also, it really does provide a boost to the whole retro selection when you can piece a rival with a rival. In this case, the 2004 Pistons basically had about three opposition options: the '04 Timberwolves, '05 Suns, and '03 Mavericks. None of those teams really had a quarrel with the 2004 Pistons during their run. But adding the Pistons' 2004 Finals opponent kind of completes the puzzle. And if 2K manages an '02 or '03 Nets team (or an '04 Pacers), all the better.

    The main problem with that team is that it takes up a slot for another classic team. I'm hoping for my 01 bucks team, but it seems less likely with multiple versions of the same team
    Nice, hopefully rosters are as full as possible. Now all you Kings fans can inactivate Malone and Payton, and crush LA as much as you want (I'm with you on this one).
    yellow86
    2k really being lazy with these classics, cannot even do the research on looks of players, courts etc. Guess it's cool having Webber in there.

    Dude, the devs and 2K are the furthest thing from lazy possible.
    Chill out.
    The 24th Letter
    Enough with calling the dev team lazy....this is the final warning.
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    Calling a dev lazy is definitely a bit unfair since we don't know what the inners of their development. The only reason I could see them having these inaccuracies is to save to time in development to work on other things.
    The only bad thing is, this pretty much confirms they won't be fixing the art of classic teams. Frustrating to say the least...
    yellow86
    How else you explain inaccuracies like this then?

    Not going to go back and forth about it, but if you want to continue to post here I would advise you to find another way...
    dvir10
    such a bummer...
    i was really hoping for 08-09 or the 09-10 lakers squad :y14::y14::y14:

    those teams has a higher chance to get in than say an early 90s team such as a 1992 utah jazz as it stand right now.
    The 24th Letter
    Not going to go back and forth about it, but if you want to continue to post here I would advise you to find another way...

    I just want the teams and players to be accurate, get the same respect new teams get and what's with the threatening? I just wish someone at 2k would just tell us why they won't fix some of these inaccuracies and not improving on their looks..
    Nice glad Webber is in and this will be a fun team to play with, I'm ready to hear about my Celtics classic and All Time teams.
    BTW some of you guys might should find another word other than lazy. Do some of you even know what it means? When ever something isn't right or what you want you go with lazy. Things are looking really good for NBA 2k18 so far, as well as it can without actual game play. So far of course everything isn't right or perfect, hell it will never be perfect but it's obvious they have put a lot of WORK in this game so far....that's not lazy fellas. Just my 2 cents..
    PeacemanNOT
    Calling a dev lazy is definitely a bit unfair since we don't know what the inners of their development. The only reason I could see them having these inaccuracies is to save to time in development to work on other things.
    The only bad thing is, this pretty much confirms they won't be fixing the art of classic teams. Frustrating to say the least...

    Extremely frustrating. It could be rectified if we were able to rebrand/create more accurate uniforms and year specific arenas and courts. Really hoping that the Classic Pistons teams have accurate colors since the current Pistons color scheme is accurate for the first time since I can remember. Was hoping that the Classic Bulls teams were given some love as well. They should be striving to deliver the most accurate and high quality art possible. They knocked it out of the park last year with the updates to Rodman and Bill Russell's player models, and that should be the standard not an anomaly. Especially with the addition of 16 new classic teams, they should bring their A game in terms of likenesses, player models and accurate uniforms.
    yellow86
    I just want the teams and players to be accurate, get the same respect new teams get and what's with the threatening? I just wish someone at 2k would just tell us why they won't fix some of these inaccuracies and not improving on their looks..

    I understand man. I really do.
    Thats just not the right way to go about it.
    It wasnt a threat, my apologies if it came off that way. Just letting you know thats not how we approach things here.
    Sinner
    Nice glad Webber is in and this will be a fun team to play with, I'm ready to hear about my Celtics classic and All Time teams.
    BTW some of you guys might should find another word other than lazy. Do some of you even know what it means? When ever something isn't right or what you want you go with lazy. Things are looking really good for NBA 2k18 so far, well as good as it can without actual game play. So far of course everything isn't right or perfect, hell it will never be perfect but it's obvious they have put a lot of WORK in this game so far....that's not lazy fellas. Just my 2 cents..

    Fair enough, but it has been 3 years since the old generation and 2k14, classic players till look like old generation and when they research these players and teams, it takes 1 minute online even to see what the court, arena and players looked like..putting an afro on C-Webb shouldn't be too hard for example...right?
    midwestking100
    those teams has a higher chance to get in than say an early 90s team such as a 1992 utah jazz as it stand right now.

    perhaps... but after this, i have a feeling that we won't get any other Laker team.
    oh well, at least we have two grizzlies teams (sarcasm).
    The 24th Letter
    I understand man. I really do.
    Thats just not the right way to go about it.
    It wasnt a threat, my apologies if it came off that way. Just letting you know thats not how we approach things here.

    You're right, I just get frustrated with some of these things and trying to get a 2k dev on here to react basically, that's why I'm being provocative actually..no worries man. I understand ;)
    yellow86
    Fair enough, but it has been 3 years since the old generation and 2k14, classic players till look like old generation and when they research these players and teams, it takes 1 minute online even to see what the court, arena and players looked like..putting an afro on C-Webb shouldn't be too hard for example...right?

    And you playing a VIDEO GAME that has a player with slightly shorter hair shouldn't be too hard for you right?
    C-Webb has rocked many different hairstyles throughout his career. He didn't even have the mini-fro for the entire season and didn't wear a headband every single game. So the fact that his hair is slightly shorter and his headband purple shouldn't be that big of a deal. Especially to the point where someone's livelihood is called lazy because you'll be disappointed in a 16 year old hair cut while you're staring at your TV.
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    PeacemanNOT
    They're wearing the Rev30 jerseys that were introduced in 2010. The art team never fails to surprise with their inaccuracy. :jpshakehe

    Which jerseys? The Kings?
    I could be wrong, but I don't think that is correct.
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    yellow86
    You're right, I just get frustrated with some of these things and trying to get a 2k dev on here to react basically, that's why I'm being provocative actually..no worries man. I understand ;)

    No worries man...
    The passion you guys show for the art has clearly paid off already....so never stop....just try to keep it direct, but respectful...
    ojandpizza
    Which jerseys? The Kings?
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    Yes, you can see the Rev30 mesh design on the jersey and on the shorts. Those mesh designs were introduced in the 2010-2011 season.
    For the record, every new classic team that was added in NBA 2K16 also has the rev30 design. The reason for this is because 2K just used jerseys that were already in the game as throwbacks. They didn't make unique jerseys for the classic teams. Besides that face, the jersey font KINGS is too big. I maybe nitpicking at this point but I'm just saying.
    Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home. The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse. They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams. If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?
    PeacemanNOT
    Yes, you can see the Rev30 mesh design on the jersey and on the shorts. Those mesh designs were introduced in the 2010-2011 season.
    For the record, every new classic team that was added in NBA 2K16 also has the rev30 design.

    Ohh just the mesh design, I see what you're saying now. Won't be able to see that in game anyways, but yeah it does seem like that would be a simple fix. I didn't even notice them in 2k16 or 2k17.
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    LeBronistheKing
    Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home. The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse. They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams. If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?

    Thank you! Finally someone who gets it. Heck, 2k could even have asked some of you great guys here who created players to fill out the classic teams and everything to help out with that!
    This is crazy accurate:
    yellow86
    How else you explain inaccuracies like this then?

    I'm sorry man, but you can't expect them to get everything 110% correct for 63 classic teams, 30 NBA teams and 21 European Teams every single year. That's just not a realistic desire. There are only so many hours in the day to work on these types of things.
    It's great you're so passionate about these things, but to call people lazy because the font of the KINGS logo on the jersey is slightly too big or the court isn't perfect is pretty ridiculous and downright disrespectful.
    LeBronistheKing
    Right it's frustrating because they can fix these things. If I could find it I would post the comparison pics of Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell's player models from 2k16 to 2k17. Or Steve Kerr from 2k16 to 2k17. Wish someone would post those pics to really drive this point home.
    The old excuse was that these players can't be scanned so they will never look as good as the current player models, then 2k17 happened and Bill Russell's player model looked on par with the current player models. So there should be no excuse.
    They strive for excellence in every other facet of the game, but inexplicably fall short on classic teams likenesses and uniform accuracy. (89 Pistons have the wrong jerseys wrong font and there are others.) Just get them correct or correct the discrepancies the way you would patch in a new jersey or color correction in the game for current teams.
    If we as novice unprofessional consumers can notice these inaccuracies and some of the community have created accurate uniforms for rebranding/create a team then why can't the professional team do the same? Again, I thank them for their hard work and most of the current art is phenomenal but why ignore Classic Teams especially when you are introducing 16 new teams?
    I would consider it a strong possibility that it could be a matter of resource allocation. I love my classics but I know that if there's not a big mode coming around to support them (aka Jordan Challenge) then it might be tough to convince the crew that they're worth making a No. 1 priority in a given year.
    From the sounds of it, the art team was splintered and pushed to the limit in 2K14 to account for multiple generations of consoles. I think a different art team may have even been tasked with creating the first batch of next gen classics. It went very poorly. Now I think it's just a matter of finding the time between everything else going on in a given cycle to continue upgrades like this:

    It's probably also worth mentioning that a lot of the classic players added in 2K16 looked pretty sharp. And I bet the new 2K18 teams will look pretty good too. But that might also mean less time to allocate to the previous legends likenesses.
    All that said, yes, I really do have a legitimate curiosity as to how the seemingly really simple stuff works. I don't mean facial structure or signature shots. I mean, I've always wondered about some of the things you guys brought up.
    For instance, what happens in a classic development process that leads to Chris Webber of the 2002 Kings walking out in a purple headband at home? Like, is it a technological hang-up? Do the people making the teams know it should be black but can't make it happen? And regarding the '89 Pistons jerseys, is the art team just implementing someone else's poor research? Are the jerseys completed by an art entity that is not directly familiar with professional basketball, leaving them open to mistakes that may seem small to them but huge to us?

    Basically, I guess I'd be interested in a behind-the-scenes look at how all this stuff works.
    I am a type of guy that says good things about good things and bad things about bad things.
    I am not fond of 00's teams but I gotta admit that today 2k announced 2 very good teams, that deserve their spot in the history of the sport.
    I am pleased with the new squads and hoping for more good teams to come.
    Congratulations, 2k!
    And, Yes, Chris Webber is in!!!!!!!!
    trekfan
    C-WEBB.
    I am really pleased to see the Kings in -- that team was so much fun to watch.
    I am just as pleased to see the 03-04 Lakers, though. Truly a unique team. You had The Glove, the Mailman, Black Mamba, and The Diesel all on one squad ... if nickname jerseys were a thing then, they'd have the best selling set by team.
    Also, to all the guys calling Karl Malone "old", yeah, the man was 40, but he was still putting up great numbers.
    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html#per_game::none
    His stats tanked in 03-04 because of a knee injury and the "vaunted" triangle offense. But the year before that? Killing it. The Mailman is still going to get a good rating I feel, I'd guess somewhere in the 84-87 range. He could have kept on playing, too, if he wanted: the guy was a workout warrior.

    You just have to sigh to yourself and shrug at the people who just want to glance at numbers. You also forgot to add that neither Shaq or Kobe ever had a reputation for being unselfish. Malone was always going to be regulated to a garbage bucket role in that situation.
    But with that, anything past low 80's seems high. He was certainly better than the numbers would tell, but even the year prior he still had his mind reading pick and roll partner and was the focal point of the offense to help him out.
    yellow86
    Thank you! Finally someone who gets it. Heck, 2k could even have asked some of you great guys here who created players to fill out the classic teams and everything to help out with that!
    This is crazy accurate:

    Right. Keep this Rodman his player model is fantastic it sucks I have to use him on 2k17 when I would like to use him on 2k18. Especially in a matchup with the 97 Heat.
    MarkWilliam
    If Webber is not in then 2K really needs to re-evaluate their selection process.
    If any of these legends teams are without their best player, defeats the purpose no?
    Surely he's in.

    I'd rather have a 93 Suns with no Barkley than no 93 Suns at all. We can always create the missing player.
    alecast
    I'd rather have a 93 Suns with no Barkley than no 93 Suns at all. We can always create the missing player.

    If you wanted to do that you could just make the 1990 suns.
    yellow86
    Fair enough, but it has been 3 years since the old generation and 2k14, classic players till look like old generation and when they research these players and teams, it takes 1 minute online even to see what the court, arena and players looked like..putting an afro on C-Webb shouldn't be too hard for example...right?

    It may not, maybe they missed it but look at it this way.....Chris Webber is in the game except for his afro and that could change by launch, I've seen some friends work on models/animation and it takes a lot of work. So since they did all that work and don't have his hair right would that really make them lazy?
    Kstat
    If you wanted to do that you could just make the 1990 suns.

    Yeah. I'm not confident they'll make one, but they have 6 players to make a pre-Barkley suns team if they desire if Barkley is still unwilling to come aboard. (KJ, Majerle, Ceballos, Hornacek, Chambers, Kurt Rambis).
    The 24th Letter
    No worries man...
    The passion you guys show for the art has clearly paid off already....so never stop....just try to keep it direct, but respectful...

    Just FYI, You will probably get muted long before you get a response. in this industry calling someone lazy is like talking about their mother **** is mad disrespectful. Especially if you have never done the work. A lazy dev wouldn't last a single week in this industry.
    I have worked in a few different industries and nothing comes close to the work ethic it takes to just be descent in this field.
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    Da_Czar
    Just FYI, You will probably get muted long before you get a response. in this industry calling someone lazy is like talking about their mother **** is mad disrespectful. Especially if you have never done the work. A lazy dev wouldn't last a single week in this industry.

    Hello Da_Czar, I don't know if you're in the position too or if it's too late but could you relay these inaccuracies to the art team? It's probably too late but I would extremely appreciate it.
    I mean what else can I say... we've been saying it for years. Hopefully classic teams can finally get the attention they deserve.
    Journey96
    Yeah. I'm not confident they'll make one, but they have 6 players to make a pre-Barkley suns team if they desire if Barkley is still unwilling to come aboard. (KJ, Majerle, Ceballos, Hornacek, Chambers, Kurt Rambis).

    2k should, they almost made the Finals! Without Barkley even so and they have those guys in my team so makes sense too :)
    PeacemanNOT
    Hello Da_Czar, I don't know if you're in the position too or if it's too late but could you relay these inaccuracies to the art teams? It's probably too late but I would extremely appreciate.
    I mean what else can I say... we've been saying it for years. Hopefully classic teams can finally get the attention they deserve.

    Seconded. Again, some of the work deserves praise and is stellar. (Rodman and Bill Russell's player models in 2k17) we are just imploring them to do the same for the majority accross the board not jusr a select few examples. No disrespect intended to the art team or their work ethic. I just see what they are capable of and am wishing for that level of art.
    Da_Czar
    Just FYI, You will probably get muted long before you get a response. in this industry calling someone lazy is like talking about their mother **** is mad disrespectful. Especially if you have never done the work. A lazy dev wouldn't last a single week in this industry
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    I provoked and you bit, sorry I had to do it like that but would be nice since you guys are part of this community to react to some of these inaccuracies.
    Journey96
    Yeah. I'm not confident they'll make one, but they have 6 players to make a pre-Barkley suns team if they desire if Barkley is still unwilling to come aboard. (KJ, Majerle, Ceballos, Hornacek, Chambers, Kurt Rambis).

    Plus that team knocked off the defending western conference champs and took a loaded portland team to six.
    And here's the thing; Czar already has some offenses in place they used to run. Im sure they ran some Princeton, and they sure as hell ran horns.
    Imagine how cool it will be to be playing the CPU Kings and watching Peja and Bibby cut backdoor off Webber passes from the elbows.
    Da_Czar
    Just FYI, You will probably get muted long before you get a response. in this industry calling someone lazy is like talking about their mother **** is mad disrespectful. Especially if you have never done the work. A lazy dev wouldn't last a single week in this industry.
    I have worked in a few different industries and nothing comes close to the work ethic it takes to just be descent in this field.
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    thanks for all your work on 2k i have played all 2k's but the first 2 if u make the John Smiths fully editable that will save cap spots
    in future 2k couild u try to add a few classic coaches like pat riley phil jackson
    midwestking100
    Plus that team knocked off the defending western conference champs and took a loaded portland team to six.

    I'd be more than happy to have it included. It's impossible to know if they feel it's worth one of those now 10 remaining slots. But the hope is there again. Even if not, I'm now confident KJ, Chambers, Majerle will be on the all time suns team to use finally after not having them for years.
    ratedmoney
    Happy this Kings team is back. But taking them out of the game and bringing them back doesn't make them new.

    Nobody cares. Everyone wanted them as one of the 16.
    Kstat
    Nobody cares. Everyone wanted them as one of the 16.

    Guess I should have made my point clear, I don't want them taking teams and/or features out of the game then selling them back to us later as a "NEW" team or feature. As I said in my previous post I'm happy they are back. They are one of my all time favorite teams. I'm sure they were probably taken out due to licensing/likeness issues.
    Hellquist

    Lol. I swear to God. If they put in a classic Pacers team, this will be an automatic purchase for me. I really wasn't that interested in 2K18, and I was barely attention to the press releases. NBA 2K is pretty much a yearly purchase, but I was seriously considering skipping this year in favor of the other game.
    Now....they definitely got my attention.
    yellow86
    2k really being lazy with these classics, cannot even do the research on looks of players, courts etc. Guess it's cool having Webber in there.

    how can they be lazy when 2k is bringing these teams back from the dead?
    like most other people glad to see 2k get back on the right track with the classic teams this will be a fun lakers team to use even if it for the what ifs
    eaterofworlds888
    Seriously excited for both teams. Great stuff. Still hoping for my favorite all time team, 99-00 Lakers, Harper, Kobe, Rice, A.C, and Shaq.

    Fox, Shaw, Horry and Fisher in the bench! I love this team!
    midwestking100
    well one down (Webber) two more to go (Barkley, Miller)

    Maybe three to go ??: Please add Rasheed Wallace to that list (Pistons,Blazers)
    NINJAK2
    Maybe three to go ??: Please add Rasheed Wallace to that list (Pistons,Blazers)
    Man I was hoping 2k would add his line "Ball don't lie!" Whenever a player missed a freethrow when he was a Knick.
    Maybe they did and I just don't remember lol
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    I want that vintage C-Webb mean mug after a vicious dunk.
    Now I'm just hoping for the 08-09 Nuggets. Melo, Mr. Big Shot, JR Swish, K-Mart, Nene, Birdman, Kleiza, and Dahntay Jones.
    RunRickyRun24
    Man ... I just really want the DARIUS MILES, Lamar Odom, q, Corey maggette Clippers
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    But why
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    ksuttonjr76
    Lol. I swear to God. If they put in a classic Pacers team, this will be an automatic purchase for me. I really wasn't that interested in 2K18, and I was barely attention to the press releases. NBA 2K is pretty much a yearly purchase, but I was seriously considering skipping this year in favor of the other game.
    Now....they definitely got my attention.

    If they add 93 Suns and/or any Miller led Pacers team it's an automatic pre-order. No lie.I agree wholeheartedly with you, my friend. I was skipping this year too but they are tempting me.
    ojandpizza
    But why
    Ya know, if 2K really is grabbing a classic team from every franchise, I think I'd enjoy playing with that 2002 Clippers team over, say, the '06 team. I see them in a similar but worse vain as the 1993 Charlotte Hornets. Never a contender but pretty fun and unique. I'd qualify them as a pop culture classic.
    They weren't built to last but they were exciting.


    VDusen04
    Ya know, if 2K really is grabbing a classic team from every franchise, I think I'd enjoy playing with that 2002 Clippers team over, say, the '06 team. I see them in a similar but worse vain as the 1993 Charlotte Hornets. Never a contender but pretty fun and unique. I'd qualify them as a pop culture classic.
    They weren't built to last but they were exciting.



    Only if Miles and Rich have that head bang celebration lol
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    VDusen04
    Ya know, if 2K really is grabbing a classic team from every franchise, I think I'd enjoy playing with that 2002 Clippers team over, say, the '06 team. I see them in a similar but worse vain as the 1993 Charlotte Hornets. Never a contender but pretty fun and unique. I'd qualify them as a pop culture classic.
    They weren't built to last but they were exciting.

    What about the 1993 clippers? Manning, Harper, Mark Jackson, and Ken the snake Norman
    VDusen04
    Ya know, if 2K really is grabbing a classic team from every franchise, I think I'd enjoy playing with that 2002 Clippers team over, say, the '06 team. I see them in a similar but worse vain as the 1993 Charlotte Hornets. Never a contender but pretty fun and unique. I'd qualify them as a pop culture classic.

    If Miles is in the game, we might need 2K to bring that Highschool body type back lol
    yellow86
    Seriously? People are happy with a 3rd freaking Shaq-Kobe team and a boring one with players we already had at that?? Also, presenting the 01-02 Kings as if it's a new classic team is just silly. I just knew they were going to do it too, that's the saddest part. Would be even funnier if Webber is not part of it..also with the 04 Lakers, no 09 Lakers who actually are a classic? Guess L2DK put in a favourite Laker team of his..

    So a team deemed "the greatest team ever on paper" at the time and going for a damned 4-PEAT isn't classic enough for you?
    Damn you're the whiny-est person on here. Kings are added but they're not added in the way YOU'd like them to be added lol you must be one of those "I asked for a squirt of lime, and you gave me a splash of lime... i'm gonna need you to remake that". Kind of fellows. Good grief you can't be happy about anything.
    In other news, PUMPED for the Kings/Lakers teams announced! Kobe (hopefully with hair) and Shaq before he jumped to Miami and blasted us to a title... I loooooathe the Lakers, but I ALWAYS have this Lakers team created. Got to respect what they had.
    MoodMuzik
    So a team deemed "the greatest team ever on paper" at the time and going for a damned 4-PEAT isn't classic enough for you?
    Damn you're the whiny-est person on here. Kings are added but they're not added in the way YOU'd like them to be added lol you must be one of those "I asked for a squirt of lime, and you gave me a splash of lime... i'm gonna need you to remake that". Kind of fellows. Good grief you can't be happy about anything.
    In other news, PUMPED for the Kings/Lakers teams announced! Kobe (hopefully with hair) and Shaq before he jumped to Miami and blasted us to a title... I loooooathe the Lakers, but I ALWAYS have this Lakers team created. Got to respect what they had.

    The 04 Lakers were not the defending champs. The Spurs were.
    Kstat
    The 04 Lakers were not the defending champs. The Spurs were.

    My bad on that, got my history wrong. Still, "greatest team on paper" and btw 98-99' Knicks... is not the least bit confusing ;)
    MoodMuzik
    So a team deemed "the greatest team ever on paper" at the time and going for a damned 4-PEAT isn't classic enough for you?
    Damn you're the whiny-est person on here. Kings are added but they're not added in the way YOU'd like them to be added lol you must be one of those "I asked for a squirt of lime, and you gave me a splash of lime... i'm gonna need you to remake that". Kind of fellows. Good grief you can't be happy about anything.
    In other news, PUMPED for the Kings/Lakers teams announced! Kobe (hopefully with hair) and Shaq before he jumped to Miami and blasted us to a title... I loooooathe the Lakers, but I ALWAYS have this Lakers team created. Got to respect what they had.

    I see that haha and I'm actually okay with it, Kings I love. I guess I'm just spoiled ;)
    MoodMuzik
    So a team deemed "the greatest team ever on paper" at the time and going for a damned 4-PEAT isn't classic enough for you?
    Damn you're the whiny-est person on here. Kings are added but they're not added in the way YOU'd like them to be added lol you must be one of those "I asked for a squirt of lime, and you gave me a splash of lime... i'm gonna need you to remake that". Kind of fellows. Good grief you can't be happy about anything.
    In other news, PUMPED for the Kings/Lakers teams announced! Kobe (hopefully with hair) and Shaq before he jumped to Miami and blasted us to a title... I loooooathe the Lakers, but I ALWAYS have this Lakers team created. Got to respect what they had.

    I get his frustration with the Lakers. Obviously they have a rich history, but there are plenty of Lakers teams. My fear is 08-09 or 09-10 squad is coming as well.
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    PippenFan
    I'm only happy with it if it means a different short hair Kobe model. Otherwise I wont use them. Also Malone needs to be Bald.

    If we get 09 Lakers as well, then to me it's kind of odd but if not then at least we have a mid-2000 Laker team.
    yellow86
    If we get 09 Lakers as well, then to me it's kind of odd but if not then at least we have a mid-2000 Laker team.

    I thought that was pretty much 09 Kobe on the All time Lakers. I would think so since Gasol is there too.
    Cowboyfan_19
    I know there's 9 teams left ('93 Nets assumed). But I'm really worried we're not going to get a '00s Spurs team. Nearly every new team 2k16 added didn't leave the legacy the '00s spurs did.
    Were they really that boring of a team that 2k thought there were better money teams they could make or what? Duncan is gone and we're left with his rookie version only. Ginobili & Parker are over the hill now & you can't just edit Manu's long hair from '03-'05 in.

    Yes, most consistent, dominant franchise of the last 20 years but only has 1 "classic/historic" team represented. The Spurs/Tim Duncan are better, more important than damn near every franchise/player not including Chicago (Jordan), Los Angeles (plethora of players as great as Timmy), Boston (Timmy is better than them all) and Golden State (better than everyone except Wilt).
    One of the top 5 all - time great players, an avid gamer but is only represented once and with his pre - championship rookie version (although pre - meniscus tear).
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    J_Posse
    Yes, most consistent, dominant franchise of the last 20 years but only has 1 "classic/historic" team represented. The Spurs/Tim Duncan are better, more important than damn near every franchise/player not including Chicago (Jordan), Los Angeles (plethora of players as great as Timmy), Boston (Timmy is better than them all) and Golden State (better than everyone except Wilt).
    One of the top 5 all - time great players, an avid gamer but is only represented once and with his pre - championship rookie version (although pre - meniscus tear).
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    Dawg, we really only need like two spurs teams. Relax. We'll probably get another one.
    Tim not over MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt -- thats five right there and I could probably go a couple more with Bird, & Kobe. He'd be in that 8-10 range for me.
    Would take Timmy over any PF ever but he'd probably be on my 8-10 overall range as well.
    In any case, I think a classic Spurs team is a given this year. It's long overdue and they have the rights to Manu, Parker and Duncan. No excuse.
    World1
    Dawg, we really only need like two spurs teams. Relax. We'll probably get another one.
    Tim not over MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt -- thats five right there and I could probably go a couple more with Bird, & Kobe. He'd be in that 8-10 range for me.

    That list is your opinion and in my opinion only Jordan, Abdul - Jabbar and Chamberlain are better, eventually LeBron will be above him too, than Timmy.
    The Spurs have won 5 championships and had countless "great" teams that didn't win it all ('04, '08 & '13 being the best), but only "need/deserve" 2 teams represented?!?!
    Yes, but Kobe/Shaq and Jordan "need" to have 8 or 9 classic team cause "OMG, they the **** or GOAT."
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    J_Posse
    Yes, most consistent, dominant franchise of the last 20 years but only has 1 "classic/historic" team represented. The Spurs/Tim Duncan are better, more important than damn near every franchise/player not including Chicago (Jordan), Los Angeles (plethora of players as great as Timmy), Boston (Timmy is better than them all) and Golden State (better than everyone except Wilt).
    One of the top 5 all - time great players, an avid gamer but is only represented once and with his pre - championship rookie version (although pre - meniscus tear).
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    Spurs definitely deserve better representation. I'm hoping for that '05 or '07 squad -- just so good.
    The Spurs are sort of victims of their own consistency. Tony/Manu/Timmy was the nucleus of their 03, 05 and 07 title teams. You only really need one of those and you're good. Maybe the 2014 team, but that's a little too recent.
    Mauer4MVP
    Tim not over Wilt, Bird, or Kobe. Lololol.
    The only locks are Jordan, LeBron, and Magic. TD is 4-6
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    Again, your opinion. Timmy is miles better than the most selfish player ever, Kobe Bryant. Bird only played one side of the court at an elite level, but sure he's better than one of the best "two - way" big men ever. *roll eyes*
    How many losing seasons did Timmy have, again? How many times did he sabotage a season, playoff series or cry that he needed more help or was leaving?
    Anyway, Timmy/the Spurs need better representation in the series from a historical perspective especially now that he's retired. One of the all - time greats but still criminally underrated, under appreciated and overlooked.
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    J_Posse
    Yes, most consistent, dominant franchise of the last 20 years but only has 1 "classic/historic" team represented. The Spurs/Tim Duncan are better, more important than damn near every franchise/player not including Chicago (Jordan), Los Angeles (plethora of players as great as Timmy), Boston (Timmy is better than them all) and Golden State (better than everyone except Wilt).
    One of the top 5 all - time great players, an avid gamer but is only represented once and with his pre - championship rookie version (although pre - meniscus tear).
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    Not to mention one of the greatest Centers of all time in David Robinson only having 1 model from when he was 33 years old.
    The All time Spurs need to have a prime Admiral. 2003 Duncan, 2007 Parker & Ginobili, plus prime Gervin and many of the others.
    J_Posse
    Again, your opinion. Timmy is miles better than the most selfish player ever, Kobe Bryant.
    How many losing seasons did Timmy have, again? How many times did he sabotage a season, playoff series or cry that he needed more help or was leaving?
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    Probably didn't make it clear. I was agreeing with you and laughing at those arguments
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    Mauer4MVP
    Probably didn't make it clear. I was agreeing with you and laughing at those arguments
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    My bad.....
    Sarcasm is hard to grasp through text......
    Anyway, the Spurs need more LOVE......
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    I think everyone can agree the Spurs deserve better classic reparesentation and really need at least one championship team included for this list to feel complete.
    J_Posse
    That list is your opinion and in my opinion only Jordan, Abdul - Jabbar and Chamberlain are better, eventually LeBron will be above him too, than Timmy.
    The Spurs have won 5 championships and had countless "great" teams that didn't win it all ('04, '08 & '13 being the best), but only "need/deserve" 2 teams represented?!?!
    Yes, but Kobe/Shaq and Jordan "need" to have 8 or 9 classic team cause "OMG, they the **** or GOAT."
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    You're too emotionally unstable right now for me to continue this discussion with you lmao
    God willing you get another team so you make it to release day though.
    J_Posse
    My bad.....
    Sarcasm is hard to grasp through text......
    Anyway, the Spurs need more LOVE......
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    No worries. I read it and mixed in with the other posts I immediately realized I wasn't clear enough.
    I 100% agree. Mid 2000s Spurs is on the top of my list.
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    Mauer4MVP
    Tim not over Wilt, Bird, or Kobe. Lololol. That's absurd. Timmy is definitely better.
    The only locks are Jordan, LeBron, and Magic. TD is 4-6
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    Yall on crack if you think Timmy over Kareem and Wilt lmmfao Bird and Kobe were just too good bro. Timmy was dope for his system/franchise though and I take nothing away from him but he is NOT a better basketball player than them. I personally believe Hakeem is a BETTER player just less accomplished. You cant tell me with a straight face that Timmy was ever offensively or defensively better than Hakeem lol you're playing yourself. I'm talking about playing ball. If we're talking Player and playing ball and not franchise consistency and success then I got several guys over Tim.
    Tim over Kareem and Wilt -- yall crazy.
    A 1995 Spurs team wouldn't hurt my feelings. Robinson, Rodman, Elliott, Del Negro, Doc as the 5 with Cummings, Person, Avery and Eisley on the bench. All players 2K has rights to...
    And as an added bonus, if you matched them up with 94 Houston Hakeem could get an auto-boost to 99 overall...
    95 Spurs and 05 Spurs. Let's do this 2K
    Look if I want a great teammate sure i'll take Tim over Kobe. But if I want buckets from 3 in, athletecism, clutch shooting to go along with good defense and star qualities i'm running with Kobe. Period.
    Lets bring losing seasons into the equation -- having David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu and Greg Popovich isnt exactly having Smush Parker and Kwame Brown lol
    I think its safe to say that if Kobe and Shaq could have stayed together as long as Tim's core did the spurs wouldn't have ****. Which goes back to Tim being an excellent teammate. He wasnt a diva. Which is what team sports is about. Kobe was and he paid the price for it with losing seasons.
    World1
    You're too emotionally unstable right now for me to continue this discussion with you lmao
    God willing you get another team so you make it to release day though.

    I'm not emotionally imbalanced. LMAO
    I own damn near every copy of NBA 2K (with custom rosters by DC/Hyperball21 on last gen) since the inception, so I can always "relive" those teams and players. It is more about giving that historical context or reverence through the form that kids connect with most. We need more (actual) classic Celtics, Spurs & Warriors teams and less (fake, IMO) "classic" teams for done nothing franchises (no offense fans of said teams).
    We should hold all the teams that have won the most in high regard/most representation because they have earned that status. What the have the Clippers, Grizzlies or Nets ever attained to deserve just as much or more representation than those franchise. The dumbing down of what historic truly means (at least in a video game sense).
    And before anyone says I'm being bias (because I'm a diehard Spurs fan), please realize that this argument would work against my favorite baseball (Texas Rangers) and football (Buffalo Bills) teams if they introduced "classic" teams to either game franchises.
    Side note: I understand the justification of adding classic teams for every franchise, but some teams have literally never had a memorable squad (IMO). Still is nice to see all these former players re - introduced to the series. And the older guys that were on the 50's, 60's & 70's squads can get at check too. Win - win for everyone, I guess.
    * Rant over *
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    Kstat
    A 1995 Spurs team wouldn't hurt my feelings. Robinson, Rodman, Elliott, Del Negro, Doc as the 5 with Cummings, Person, Avery and Eisley on the bench. All players 2K has rights to...
    And as an added bonus, if you matched them up with 94 Houston Hakeem could get an auto-boost to 99 overall...
    95 Spurs and 05 Spurs. Let's do this 2K

    I would 't be mad at this.
    I'm hoping that all-time team has a younger George Gervin too that bulls one looks creepy
    World1
    Yall on crack if you think Timmy over Kareem and Wilt lmmfao Bird and Kobe were just too good bro. Timmy was dope for his system/franchise though and I take nothing away from him but he is NOT a better basketball player than them. I personally believe Hakeem is a BETTER player just less accomplished. You cant tell me with a straight face that Timmy was ever offensively or defensively better than Hakeem lol you're playing yourself. I'm talking about playing ball. If we're talking Player and playing ball and not franchise consistency and success then I got several guys over Tim.
    Tim over Kareem and Wilt -- yall crazy.

    It's not worth this discussion so I'll leave it with this:
    1. Tim Duncan was one of the best two way players ever.
    2. Most people put him over Bird and Kobe.
    3. To act like he's not in the discussion is crazy.
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    J_Posse
    I'm not emotionally imbalanced. LMAO
    I own damn near every copy of NBA 2K (with custom rosters by DC/Hyperball21 on last gen) since the inception, so I can always "relive" those teams and players. It is more about giving that historical context or reverence through the form that kids connect with most. We need more (actual) classic Celtics, Spurs & Warriors teams and less (fake, IMO) "classic" teams for done nothing franchises (no offense fans of said teams).
    We should hold all the teams that have won the most in high regard/most representation because they have earned that status. What the have the Clippers, Grizzlies or Nets ever attained to deserve just as much or more representation than those franchise. The dumbing down of what historic truly means (at least in a video game sense).
    And before anyone says I'm being bias (because I'm a diehard Spurs fan), please realize that this argument would work against my favorite baseball (Texas Rangers) and football (Buffalo Bills) teams if they introduced "classic" teams to either game franchises.
    Side note: I understand the justification of adding classic teams for every franchise, but some teams have literally never had a memorable squad (IMO). Still is nice to see all these former players re - introduced to the series. And the older guys that were on the 50's, 60's & 70's squads can get at check too. Win - win for everyone, I guess.
    * Rant over *
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    Hey, i'm with you. Personally I would have been okay with two spurs teams over those two grizzlies teams. I want a younger manu and Tony.
    Mauer4MVP
    It's not worth this discussion so I'll leave it with this:
    1. Tim Duncan was one of the best two way players ever.
    2. Most people put him over Bird and Kobe.
    3. To act like he's not in the discussion is crazy.
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    When I act like that? I said I had him around 8 lmao
    Every franchise has had memorable squads, btw. Maybe not great ones, but good fun teams that would be worth having in 2K.
    Assuming the 93 nets are in, that leaves us with just 4 teams left unrepresented: Wizards, Pacers, Clippers and Pelicans, with 9 spots remaining.
    World1
    Yall on crack if you think Timmy over Kareem and Wilt lmmfao Bird and Kobe were just too good bro. Timmy was dope for his system/franchise though and I take nothing away from him but he is NOT a better basketball player than them. I personally believe Hakeem is a BETTER player just less accomplished. You cant tell me with a straight face that Timmy was ever offensively or defensively better than Hakeem lol you're playing yourself. I'm talking about playing ball. If we're talking Player and playing ball and not franchise consistency and success then I got several guys over Tim.
    Tim over Kareem and Wilt -- yall crazy.

    Timmy and Hakeem played in different era's, when the pace of the game and team philosophies were in stark contrast. I would say that Hakeem was a better raw, pure talent but sports and basketball is about more than just talent. Timmy' s basketball IQ is said to have been higher than any other players in the NBA (when he played) and he was unquestionably one of the hardest working players ever. His work ethic is parallel to Jordan and Bryant, but he wasn't as heralded as those two (as well as other greats not just Tim).
    His leadership, intelligence, unselfishness, success, work ethic and consistency (all important aspects of being a great player) make him top 5all - time great player. The last 5 years of his career his dragged around a arthritic knee but still managed to be a better player than 90% of the guys in the league.
    That is to say nothing about his elite post game, great help defense, great passing (underrated outlet passer), unique handles and superior rebounding. He could do everything on the court at high or better than competent level. (I miss him.....)
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    J_Posse
    Timmy and Hakeem played in different era's, when the pace of the game and team philosophies were in stark contrast. I would say that Hakeem was a better raw, pure talent but sports and basketball is about more than just talent. Timmy' s basketball IQ is said to have been higher than any other players in the NBA (when he played) and he was unquestionably one of the hardest working players ever. His work ethic is parallel to Jordan and Bryant, but he was as heralded as those two (as well as other greats not just Tim).
    His leadership, intelligence, unselfishness, success, work ethic and consistency (all important aspects of being a great player) make him in all - time great player. The last 5 years of his career his dragged around a arthritic knee but still managed to be a better player than 90% of the guys in the league.
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

    I love Timmy bro. We just have different opinions of him.
    aloncho11
    Webber and Bibby are looking spot on on those screenshots!

    I just want to know if they fixed his damn jumper. Was so pumped to use him in myteam last year and his shot looked awful. It's like they got his rights the day before launch and just rushed a CAP to market and slapped his name on there.
    World1
    Yall on crack if you think Timmy over Kareem and Wilt lmmfao Bird and Kobe were just too good bro. Timmy was dope for his system/franchise though and I take nothing away from him but he is NOT a better basketball player than them. I personally believe Hakeem is a BETTER player just less accomplished. You cant tell me with a straight face that Timmy was ever offensively or defensively better than Hakeem lol you're playing yourself. I'm talking about playing ball. If we're talking Player and playing ball and not franchise consistency and success then I got several guys over Tim.
    Tim over Kareem and Wilt -- yall crazy.

    I got Hakeem over Duncan too. Ask shaq, Ewing, and David Robinson about Hakeem. In 1993 Jordan admitted he didn't want any part of those rockets teams in the finals.
    midwestking100
    I got Hakeem over Duncan too. Ask shaq, Ewing, and David Robinson about Hakeem. In 1993 Jordan admitted he didn't want any part of those rockets teams in the finals.

    Better yet, ask Robert Horry, the only guy that played with both Hakeem and Duncan in their primes. He said Hakeem was better no contest.
    I respect Tim Duncan. Consummate winner. But Hakeem was a freak of nature. He scored over triple teams better than any player I've ever seen. I'd take Hakeem over Shaq too.
    Hellquist
    If they add 93 Suns and/or any Miller led Pacers team it's an automatic pre-order. No lie.I agree wholeheartedly with you, my friend. I was skipping this year too but they are tempting me.

    NO WAY would i skip on 2K. And do what be handcuffed to Live 18...stop it sir.
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    J_Posse
    Timmy and Hakeem played in different era's, when the pace of the game and team philosophies were in stark contrast. I would say that Hakeem was a better raw, pure talent but sports and basketball is about more than just talent. Timmy' s basketball IQ is said to have been higher than any other players in the NBA (when he played) and he was unquestionably one of the hardest working players ever. His work ethic is parallel to Jordan and Bryant, but he wasn't as heralded as those two (as well as other greats not just Tim).
    His leadership, intelligence, unselfishness, success, work ethic and consistency (all important aspects of being a great player) make him top 5all - time great player. The last 5 years of his career his dragged around a arthritic knee but still managed to be a better player than 90% of the guys in the league.
    That is to say nothing about his elite post game, great help defense, great passing (underrated outlet passer), unique handles and superior rebounding. He could do everything on the court at high or better than competent level. (I miss him.....)
    I won't get caught up in the whole "comparing one player to another thing" but as a whole, I really do think Tim Duncan is one of the greatest players most likely to be sold a bit short because a lot of what made him great didn't punch you in the face.
    I think a lot of the traits you mentioned—leadership, intelligence, unselfishness, success, work ethic and consistency—are so incredibly underrated but insanely important. It seems they give him a slight bonus but remain easily overshadowed. But if you ever talk to a coach, maybe a coach at any level, or if you even speak with an introspective player, those qualities would be some of the first to come to mind when forming the ideal player and team.
    The Spurs were great because they had great players. But they were as great for as long as they were because of all those other qualities. David Robinson didn't throw a fit when Tim Duncan began working his way in on Robinson's shots. And Tim Duncan never flinched as his game and those around him morphed over an 18-year NBA career. No threats, no public takes about how maybe he needs to go find a better situation if coach doesn't get his role right, etc. When your best skill player (and Tim Duncan is among the most skilled of all-time) is also one of your most mature and locked in to what it takes to succeed as a whole, you've got something really, really special there.
    Regarding 2K, I'm still counting on at least one of these newer Spurs teams making the cut. As someone else said though, I could also see it being only one team because the Spurs were almost too consistent for their own good (Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, always). I'd be massively surprised if don't get a squad.
    Same here. Hakeem is definitely the better player but I believe Duncan would be a hell of a challenge if they'd gotten to go at it in their primes. Both would surely get theres.
    Kstat
    Better yet, ask Robert Horry, the only guy that played with both Hakeem and Duncan in their primes. He said Hakeem was better no contest.
    I respect Tim Duncan. Consummate winner. But Hakeem was a freak of nature. He scored over triple teams better than any player I've ever seen. I'd take Hakeem over Shaq too.

    His reasoning was moronic (better free throw shooter and "worked harder"), but his opinion is just an opinion. He has more insight, true, yet his argument is beyond flawed and illogical.
    I only saw Duncan's erratic free - throwing shooting cost the Spurs once or twice in a playoff game or series.
    And every former teammate and coach speaks to Timmy being the "first one in, last one out," except Horry.
    He's also thrown shade the Spurs way ever since he was benched and let go in favor of Bonner. The guy is pretty salty and spiteful towards the team for some reason. I take his opinion with a huge, huge grain of salt.
    Hakeem was a freak athlete and highly skilled, but Duncan was just as skilled (not as versatile on the defensive end) and had a much, much higher basketball IQ.
    He also never pouted and always, always won. He helped make Parker, Ginobili, Popovich and Leonard (early on) great not the other way around. He was the system and helped extend big Dave's career.
    Anyway, the Spurs will hopefully have one more classic squad.
    I'll stop veering this thread off topic, now.
    from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ
    NINJAK2
    Maybe three to go ??: Please add Rasheed Wallace to that list (Pistons,Blazers)

    He's huge to both of those teams it's disappointing as hell that he's not there.
    PippenFan
    I thought that was pretty much 09 Kobe on the All time Lakers. I would think so since Gasol is there too.

    08 MVP Kobe according to his shoes.
    Even though it won't happen, I wouldn't mind 2K dropping that 97 Lakers squad for either another classic Lakers or just any other classic team.
    Why play with an 82 OVR Kobe when the 2000 Lakers are in the game? That 97 team is basically irrelevant with the 04 addition and the inevitable 09 or 10 squad.
    Poohdini1
    08 MVP Kobe according to his shoes.
    Even though it won't happen, I wouldn't mind 2K dropping that 97 Lakers squad for either another classic Lakers or just any other classic team.
    Why play with an 82 OVR Kobe when the 2000 Lakers are in the game? That 97 team is basically irrelevant with the 04 addition and the inevitable 09 or 10 squad.
    I like the '98 team for its tie to a different era. Old jerseys, old arena, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel, and young athletic versions of Shaquille O'Neal, Robert Horry, and Derek Fisher (well, Fisher was never athletic athletic... still). And baby Frobe Bryant is kind of neat to me.
    That said, the '98 Lakers were initially included to give the '98 Spurs a sensible opponent (and vice versa) for the 2K12 Greatest Challenge. If the Spurs were somehow changed to the '99 version to accommodate the inclusion of the '99 Knicks, that'd kind of leave that Lakers team hanging out in the middle of nowhere. I reckon the Spurs will just stay in their '98 form though.
    Poohdini1
    08 MVP Kobe according to his shoes.
    Even though it won't happen, I wouldn't mind 2K dropping that 97 Lakers squad for either another classic Lakers or just any other classic team.
    Why play with an 82 OVR Kobe when the 2000 Lakers are in the game? That 97 team is basically irrelevant with the 04 addition and the inevitable 09 or 10 squad.

    Well they were 1 of the few teams with 4 All Stars in an All star game. I want to keep them in because I like using Van Exel, Jones, Campbell and the rest. They just need to get Fisher.

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