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The State of NBA Live's Franchise Mode

The unfortunate predicament I find myself in is the same one that has continued to trend a certain direction over the past few years. I’m an NBA enthusiast. I follow the game, all games, all teams, all players. I love it.  As a Cavaliers fan, I’ve had a rough summer, as you can imagine. I’ve been at the low of lows as the King has departed yet again, leaving a void in the franchise that will not be filled for quite some time. 

However, as summer lingers on there is a bright spot approaching for me: NBA video game season. A time where I can block out the reality of the impending 25-win season the Cavs are on the brink of achieving. For the vast majority of my life, I have been a huge basketball video game fan. Finding Operation Sports way back in 2000, my love of the game and the games that replicated the sport I love grew exponentially. We were able to interact with lead developers. THE Mike Wang frequented the board back in the days, and I like to think that I struck up a good friendship with him. We would PM back and forth about the upcoming Inside Drive titles that he was working on with High Voltage. I’d PM my deep dives on gameplay, game modes, slider recommendations, AI, etc. He was a man of the people and implemented our feedback. Everything was phenomenal.  

Back then you had Inside Drive, Konami ESPN Basketball, NBA 2K, NBA Shootout and NBA Live to fill your NBA gaming needs. If one wasn’t your cup of tea, then there was another title right around the next aisle you could pick up and give a whirl. Each had specific pros and cons. Some had more pros than the others, but all of them pushed to replicate the NBA product that I have grown up on. 

Fast forward 15 years since I fell in love with Inside Drive 2003, we’re in quite a different spot with NBA video games. Long gone are the days of ample options. No more do I have five different studios all competing for my hard earned dollar.  No more do I have true options in the areas of the game that truly matter to me. 

NBA Live, But Without The NBA

Like I mentioned above, I love the NBA game. I love the strategy. I love the superstars who can go off at any given time and really put on a show. I love the atmosphere. I love the grind of an 82-game season to find out who will be the last team standing after a long playoff series. I love the injuries that cause team strategies to shift and find new ways to win. I love the personnel changes when guys just don’t “click” in a system. I love scouting upcoming players and seeing what trades I can accomplish that will change the outlook of my team for not only this year, but for years to come. I love unique incoming rookies who are dynamic and could be absolute superstars. I love the salary cap and the implications that come along with building a team within budget. Bird rights, CBA rules. I love it.

When I sit down at the end of a long day and just want to play an NBA game, I do so with the intention of playing an actual meaningful NBA game. I’ll fire up Live or 2K, and go to Dynasty or MyLeague and try to take my team to the top. I’ll play against the AI, and if I’m lucky, the AI will play to their strengths and it’ll be up to me to make the necessary adjustments to counteract them. 

But this is the major problem and it’s been trending in this direction for quite some time. There is only one title currently with a full-fledged NBA franchise mode, with all of the bells and whistles that I’ve come to expect from a title that is played on current-gen consoles. That is, of course, NBA 2K. 

For the past several years, basketball gaming has started trending towards “My Player” type modes where you are the star, and you build your player up along your own NBA journey. It was made hugely popular by NBA 2K, and NBA Live has kind of taken that mode, and truly taken another step and focused the brunt of their game towards “The One” mode. I get it. We’re in the YouTube Generation. They draw views, they influence purchases and have vast followings. 

I get it — I just don’t like it. I don’t like the fact that in Live 18 the franchise mode was so barebones and without character that I couldn’t play more than a month. The fresh paint and UI were nice, but beyond that there just wasn’t much there. There was, however, more “fresh content” delivered weekly for those who are focused on The One. There were loot crates, challenges, variety, timed challenges, etc. There was effort. 

The gameplay is coming along, and they’re making some large strides with their current iteration. The animations are coming along. The signature styles are improving. Emotion is being heavily implemented. All of the on the court things I look for are starting to take shape in NBA Live.

Franchise Mode Has To Improve

So here is my dilemma. As someone who is a franchise player, where do I go from here? If franchise in NBA Live is as stale as its been in recent years, what now? I’ll delve into NBA 2K in a subsequent post, but for now I want to focus on Live.  

Becoming an EA GameChanger in 2014 and going down to many events from 2014-2017 thanks to Andrew Johnson (Thanks AJ!), I was able to meet some extraordinarily talented developers who have the passion to take this game to the next level. I have been down countless times to playtest the game and give feedback directly to the dev team, and really express where I think the game is at any one point. I have continually taken the task personally to give feedback representing those gamers who are like me — those who care about the single-player experience. Those who don’t get online and interact with the community. Those who are just looking for an escape into a virtual NBA season where you’re in control. You guys are who I represented directly. In my mind, I have always spoken bluntly about what is needed, where I feel it should head, and have never sugar coated things. One thing I can say is that they do encourage you to speak openly and directly about your feelings, which I always did.

So now, I’ll speak openly and honest again. As I look at where NBA Live 2018 is I’m deeply disappointed in the state of the game, in regards to the things that matter to me and a community I represented in Operation Sports. It’s not that I didn’t constantly reiterate the things that were glaringly missing or incorrect, it’s the fact that it doesn’t seem to be the focus of the game, which to me is baffling. This is NBA Live. The indication I get from that title is that hey, this is an NBA Title. However, when I put the game in and go venturing into the NBA portion of the game, it’s severely lacking.

Keys To NBA Live 19’s Success

Over the past week, I’ve played a lot of NBA Live 18. I’ve tried to dig back into franchise. I’ve tried to really nail down the things that are missing, and the reasons it just can not hold my attention. It doesn’t have the options, and it doesn’t’ have personality. It’s not engaging. 

  1. There are no in-game injuries whatsoever. Going back to the Xbox and PS2, and even before, we’ve had in-game injuries that actually impact the player on the floor. In Inside Drive 2003, I remember vividly going up for a dunk with Vince Carter and stumbling to the ground. Sprained ankle. It gave me an option to sub for him, or have him play through it, albeit with decreased efficiency. And get this, he showed signs of physical impairment, limping along on the screen. It was glorious. I can also recall seeing Ricky Davis and Darius Miles go down in the same game, and then having to run the entire game through Big Z. At the end of the game, Big Z was so exhausted his movement speed was a crawl as he labored to get up and down the court. There is no excuse that in-game injuries should not be in a game in 2018 when they were implemented this well, and to this degree, in a game from 2003. 
  2. Team playstyles and player-specific playstyles. Again, this is something Inside Drive 2003 did that really made me fall in love with the AI part of NBA video games. Rip Hamilton, zipping through a staggered screen, only to lose his defender, pop out to receive the pass in the mid-range area (where Rip Hamilton is most efficient) and shoot the shot. Seeing Vince slash his way and finish with the monstrous tomahawk in traffic was a thing of beauty. The athletes played to their real-life tendencies. Teams tried to play to their specific strategy. Right now, there are team playbooks in NBA Live 18 that aren’t very well done. There are very few plays, if any at all, that will free you up for a mid-range shot. There aren’t enough plays, or not enough branches if your first or second option aren’t open to execute. The players are almost all a carbon copy of each other. They aren’t attacking from their spots. They are attacking from spots that a SG is supposed to take a shot from in the set SG play. The playbooks aren’t designed to get the “right players” the ball at the right place to attack based on their game. It’s designed to feed the post, or spam into the paint, or mindlessly pass the ball around the perimeter forcing a shot at the end of the shot clock. This isn’t NBA basketball, and it’s not enjoyable to play against. I want to game plan. I want to see that KD is having a monstrous 3-4 games in a row, and fear the next game that I’m going to have to stop him. I want to see that Steph has been horrid for 3-4 games, so my game plan is to not let him get going early, to keep him cold. Inside Drive also had players riding hot and cold streaks, which was phenomenal. We all remember Kobe’s outburst of scoring over the 10 or 11 games in a row. Those things matter; I want to see them implemented. If a game in 2003 can do it, a game in 2018 can do it. 
  3. The lack of future planning. This covers both rookies, the NBA Draft, and trades/future picks. First, I want to make sure I’m able to edit the rookie classes, in both appearance and traits (as well as names, etc.) so I can replicate the Zion Williamsons and RJ Barretts coming into the league. I want to continue my franchise, playing with replicas of those franchise-changing young players. I need to have access to do those things. But I also need to be able to trade future picks, put protections on those picks, perform blockbuster trades (three and four team trades) and include cash considerations. Cash considerations has become a big thing on social media; it’s involved in quite a bit of trades that go on in the real league. I need to see that my Cavs have won 11 games by the All-Star break, and so management decides to blow it up and ship out Kevin Love and Kyle Korver to contenders for late first-round picks (or probably a second for Korver). I need those other teams to realize they have got a legit shot to win the championship, so they will offer a trade and actively seek those opportunities to improve. 
  4. I want game plans to work. If I set my strategy to double someone on touch, I want it to work. If I do “Superstar Focus” then I want my defensive teammates to adjust and focus on stopping the superstar. The game plans haven’t worked in the past, or they’ve been extremely inefficient.
  5. I want full control over franchise if I see fit. 30 team control. I generally don’t use it, but I do know several in the community want it. 
  6. We need to be able to edit rosters within franchise mode. Full control. Signature shots, attributes, tendencies. If Carmelo Anthony changes his mindset, and starts becoming a team player (the fabled Olympic Melo), I want to be able to edit those things within my current franchise. I want to edit accessories, signature shots — all of those things. 
  7. Downloading rosters. I want to download draft classes via a share feature. This is self explanatory. If several community members get together and work on a roster set, and tweak the players to give a better on the court product, I want to be able to “share” that roster. I’m not saying the devs aren’t doing a good job, but you have communities full of people who LOVE tweaking these things to get a more accurate representation of what they interpret as the NBA gameplay. 
  8. Take it online – One of the only times I enjoyed online gaming was in NBA 2K7 and NBA 2K8 where we had a group of like-minded individuals running our own setup league. I don’t remember what the site was that we used to track stats, but it was fun. Going against sim-minded individuals who played team specific, player specific, and actually ran plays was glorious. I don’t get into online gaming anymore, but there is a big part of the community that does want to run connected franchise. 
  9. Free Agency needs to matter. Right now, if I have money and there’s a free agent, I offer him a contract and he accepts it. There’s no suspense. There’s no rhyme or reason on who signs where. Teams will sign guys who don’t fit a need, or who will cause a logjam. I love facing off against a team of six centers, four PFs, and two SGs in year three of franchise. Make “fit” important. Make contract duration matter, and make organization direction matter. If I’m rebuilding, I don’t think a superstar should accept an offer just because I have the money. Make things matter to them. Money, contract, location, playing opportunity, etc. 

There are so many things that I can add to this list, but in Live 18, these are things that should have been there. These are things that I’ve ranted about. These are things that I’ve talked with those in the community about. These are things that, in a game that aims to simulate the NBA product, should be in there by now. Re-branding, relocation, ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. are all icing on top of the cake so to speak. 

Live 19 Is Coming, But Will The NBA Product Matter?

So here we are: late July, 2018. NBA Live 19 is right around the corner. We’ve seen quite a bit from EA and the Live team, and they’re confident in their product. But what we’ve seen the most of is from The One. The Streets. The culture outside of the actual NBA arenas. Traveling the world to play on world-renown courts such Rucker, the Quai 54 event, etc. They’re spending a massive amount of resources to make these things accurate, engaging, authentic.

This is my plea. Make the NBA product matter. Put in the work to bring the franchise mode up to par. Don’t put the NBA part of NBA Live on the back burner. Dedicate the time and the resources to deliver a product that competes with MyLeague 2.0. 

I hope they come full force and really deliver an authentic NBA experience. We’ll find out soon enough as September right around the corner.

As it stands right now, I’m tired of playing one-off meaningless games. I’ll often turn it off after one or two quarters. There’s no real reason to play. Give me, and those who are like me, a reason to play. I’ve supported EA Sports NBA products as far back as I can remember, dating back to the pre-Live era. Bulls vs Blazers, and so on. There are a lot of us out here. Give us something to enjoy.  As it stands right now, this could be my last year as a NBA gamer, and I’m not quite sure how to feel about that…

Guest Post: Written by @WTF_OS (He also provided the screenshots.)

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  1. EA knows their market for this game is in the street ball mode.
    I see very minimal effort on their part in promoting the actual NBA aspect of this game.
    My prediction is in a year or two, they’re going to make 98% of the game “The One” mode and just have NBA teams playable in exhibition
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Thank you for this article....Reading this is like you took thoughts from my mind. I guess we are from the same generations and been playing NBA/basketball games since I've been gaming (NES Double Dribble). I hope NBA LIVE 19 gets it right.
    This is a top notch article. Hits home with what alot of us have been saying for years(especially this summer). They are more worried about Street ball(won't use Playground anymore), than actually making a NBA game. It honestly reflects bad on the NBA & EA SPORTS to advertise the game as an authentic NBA game. Yes it has NBA players but they play nothing like themselves and you Can't build a Dynasty which I thought were the whole point of an NBA Game.
    I understand it's a business, but to disguise this game as an NBA experience is bad.
    Franchise Mode is always where my heart has been too. I always have a blast with offline MyLeague and I've been playing Franchise/Association/Dynasty modes since NBA Jam 2000 on the N64,  it's beyond a doubt one of my favorite hobbies. I too was disappointed with NBA Live 18's  Dynasty Mode. I eventually ended up just playing "The One" which has some promise but NBA 2K's Offline MyLeague is still what I found myself WANTING to play most days. 
    Gosens6
    EA knows their market for this game is in the street ball mode.
    I see very minimal effort on their part in promoting the actual NBA aspect of this game.
    My prediction is in a year or two, they’re going to make 98% of the game “The One” mode and just have NBA teams playable in exhibition
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    The way they are promoting the game thus far is one thing. I'll give EA leeway because it's still early and plenty of time to show off improvements to the NBA side of things. However, what worries me far more is the gameplay that has been shown so far which displays players, in NBA games, pulling off And 1 mixtape like moves. Kyrie bouncing the ball around other players or through their legs. That's not the NBA. It's a videogame and should be fun but leave that stuff in the street mode. It indicates to me that EA's focus isn't on a realistic, sim, NBA experience.
    Great article . Sad but true news really. Not a big surprise, EA constantly just chases the easy money.
    I really enjoyed the gameplay in Live 18. The One was ok , i enjoyed playing with people with my created player as well. That said , it in no way , shape or form makes up enough content like having a deep franchise mode can do. Thus making it not worth a purchase without that (not when its competitor has one already).
    Live came out swinging last year after a 2 year hiatus. I thought to myself, they are catching up with 2k ( gameplay and graphic wise imo). The one thing 2k really holds a large lead over Live is Franchise Mode.
    1. They just have a very deep Franchise mode.
    2. The ability to run an online league (not as deep but still more than Live has)
    I still feel like, if EA wants to really compete with 2k, they will have to rely on building up a deep franchise mode and make it online. In all honesty, i believe if they made a deep franchise mode and made it deep for both online and offline, it could push them past 2k in a coupe years easily.
    I run an online madden league ( for 7 years). Ive wanted to do a basketball online league ( of sim minded people). Tried it with 2k16 as it was the only choice, but it was so shallow. You play 1 season then just start over, no offseason , no draft, nothing. Just was boring after a season. I feel if EA came out swinging with franchise mode and made it deep off and online , it could be the thing that helps push them by 2k putting Live back where it once stood. The gameplay is already getting close, graphics, and the one mode is good for those who like that kinda thing. The thing holding Live back right now is a poor Franchise Mode.
    I keep holding out hope they will surprise us this year. But im not holding my breathe because well , as i said i run an online madden league, i know how much they value franchise modes sadly....
    Excellent article! Couldn't agree with you more on several points. I too grew up with the games noted above in this article. I vividly remember NBA Inside Drive 2003 and how game changing and defining that series was.
    I hope EA and the team working on NBA Live are listening. The only reason I buy these sports games is for their franchise mode and having the ability to manage and control a team or teams in a season. I could care less about being "the one" and putting myself in the game. I'm not looking to transform myself into a basketball player, i'd rather look at running my favorite team and making it better.
    howboutdat
    Great article . Sad but true news really. Not a big surprise, EA constantly just chases the easy money.
    I really enjoyed the gameplay in Live 18. The One was ok , i enjoyed playing with people with my created player as well. That said , it in no way , shape or form makes up enough content like having a deep franchise mode can do. Thus making it not worth a purchase without that (not when its competitor has one already).
    Live came out swinging last year after a 2 year hiatus. I thought to myself, they are catching up with 2k ( gameplay and graphic wise imo). The one thing 2k really holds a large lead over Live is Franchise Mode.
    1. They just have a very deep Franchise mode.
    2. The ability to run an online league (not as deep but still more than Live has)
    I still feel like, if EA wants to really compete with 2k, they will have to rely on building up a deep franchise mode and make it online. In all honesty, i believe if they made a deep franchise mode and made it deep for both online and offline, it could push them past 2k in a coupe years easily.
    I run an online madden league ( for 7 years). Ive wanted to do a basketball online league ( of sim minded people). Tried it with 2k16 as it was the only choice, but it was so shallow. You play 1 season then just start over, no offseason , no draft, nothing. Just was boring after a season. I feel if EA came out swinging with franchise mode and made it deep off and online , it could be the thing that helps push them by 2k putting Live back where it once stood. The gameplay is already getting close, graphics, and the one mode is good for those who like that kinda thing. The thing holding Live back right now is a poor Franchise Mode.
    I keep holding out hope they will surprise us this year. But im not holding my breathe because well , as i said i run an online madden league, i know how much they value franchise modes sadly....

    Agree with you completely.
    Yes, yes, and yes! Even as a diehard Live fan myself, all of the suggestions WTF makes are omissions that remain serious pet peeves for me.
    Even during the old Lakers vs. Celtics days, the games were intended to have a true, NBA feel. That essence needs to return.
    Enough with the Streetball/build-a-player obsession. Many of us simply want to manage a franchise or play versus mode with our buddies.
    Great write up mister WTF!!! It's frustrating to realise that those interested in a fully featured Franchise experience we are a minority nowadays...
    But hell, we are still here and want our virtual NBA back!!!
    Could not agree more with this article. Honest and a great representation of how a lot of us feel.
    I feel like EA has just gotten tired of playing catch up to 2k and thinks the Street and the one modes are where it can compete. They might actually be correct in that philosophy but it makes me sad none the less.  
    I think where this article nails it for me is when he says this is NBA live.  We expect everything that this article points out in a game called NBA live.  If what they are putting out was called NBA street I think I would be pretty excited for what they are offering. Maybe that’s semantics but I just can’t get on board for an NBA live game that has  a poor representation of the day to day league. 
    First off let me say great article Will and hopefully the right eyes are watching.
    We've pretty much been saying these same things for years on end past a decade or so, but the core fanbase did a mass exodus when they found out they were handily ignored for the more casual fanbase.
    Which perplexes me about how many here claim this is the best NBA game on the market knowing full and well whats in this article list and many more things are missing, half done, or flat out just not touched on purpose.
    At this point, the standard is already set and you can't use a streetball mode to finesse a pro NBA game on a major level.
    I'm looking to replicate what I'm seeing in December on national tv when I play, not what i saw hot sauce do in the 90s.
    Alas the main goal is to probably goad people to LUT eventually which is really far beyond what it should be.
    I agree whole heartedly if they improve the chise mode I'll buy it no doubt but if they dont, it is just not interesting to me. My player is something i do on the side franchise is what I'm thinking about while I'm at work trying to figure out how to make the nets better. Should I do it through the draft or free agency? But live gives me none of that...I personally think it looksbetter than 2k but I needthe chise to matter ya know for the comeback!
    Awesome article! Really good journalism
    Great article man. Any of you old school cats that read that article and can’t place yourself in those shoes back in the day are missing
    out.......
    Again, great article.
    You can say the same for online ranked matches. Other games have evolved yet Live 18 is basically at Live 2003. Hope the revisit that area as well.
    Franchise and regular online head to head matches are a dying breed. I feel old.......(off to watch some classic 90’s nba highlights)
    I’d dip my toe in MyPark and The One mode sometimes but what actually keeps me into the game is the NBA side and franchise mode. I still play 2k18 strictly for myLeague and I’ve tried playing Live 18 more but I usually turn off after one match because I feel like something is still missing from that game other than a deep franchise mode. Player authenticity is still lacking in my opinion and I hope with the RPM, players will play like themselves. 
    This by far is the best article I have seen written here on OS, and trust me there have been some gems. But this not only nails the foundation and the core of not only nba live current situation but imo a lot of other games as well.
    As I have said in the past I dont knock what.people like or dislike but you have to have common ground and that is gone out the window in game development. Everything is so screwed up and pushed down that dreaded quota hole that it is literally destroying the gaming community's and some are not even recognizing it.
    I dont know if will get what where asking for, it might just be to far gone, but I can say that I'm proud to see you step up and say what your heart feels and will not surcome to the greed and popularity vote just to appease a few hundred thousand or whatever. Ain't many built like you in this day and age that still has a real voice in the community. I'm going to fade on back for awhile, I'm disappointed in a lot that I see and I've pretty much had it.
    So thank you again WTF for being real and standing for what is right. Oh and as a fellow Cavs fan dont you sweat it brotha we gone get back to that dance you cant keep passion down! #Believeland.
    NBA live 18 was a big time surprise when it comes to how it played has I was expecting crap because of how it had played the last seveal years and the fact that its been a long time sinces NBA live has been good. But last year from playing the demo live played a really good game and the graphics/animations where so improved. One of the most improved sports video games like ever but if franchise mode is not improved than the game is like pointless has ever sports games needs a franchise mode. Its not even about features its the fact that nba live franchise mode is like broken. When simple things like not having injures, no cpu trades, sim engine that dont give realistic results etc are issues than the mode is basically broken. At this point live should just fix those issues before they try to give more options in franchise mode.
    I think the article had a lot of good points, but mostly it just highlights how out of touch sports gamers on OS are right now. MyPlayer modes have taken off, not because franchise modes are bad, but because it matches what most sports gamers want out of their video games. Road to the Show was a revelation, but basketball is probably the best sport to use this kind of mode.
    While the NHL series has done a nice job with the EASHL and 5 on 5 and 6 on 6 gameplay, this is basketball's bread and butter. Playing pick-up games at the gym or outdoor court is a major pastime, and focusing both solo and multiplayer gameplay around that makes the most sense. Playing with a team of humans, against other humans, feels like the right way to play a baseball game. It's terrible in baseball and football, though.
    Personally, I have bounced off of all the MyPlayer modes. I try to enjoy them, but it's just not for me. I've gone theater direction, and just embraced UT modes, which, especially for the NBA, being so superstar driven, which have replaced my need to have a franchise, with a smart and interesting way to build teams around players and strategies, while also trying to find ways to combat the predominant strategies online. It's just a fun way to interact with my favorite players, but it removes most of tedious aspects of franchise play.
    I've been playing sports games since electric football and the card and dice baseball games of the '70s, and I'm kind of just done. I managed injuries, stat tracked, and done all the stuff franchise modes are for. But the reality is, once Sierra Sports bit the dust at the turn of the century, and I was forced to give up actual sim gaming for arcadey action sports where you use a controller or commit to text based gaming, franchise play has been awful in all the sports. It's just gotten more tedious, and more pointless.
    For awhile, that meant playing less and less sports games. But these new modes are bringing life back into sports gaming, and even though I hit 50 this year, I'm loving sports gaming like I haven't since last century. It's different, and not what I expected, but it's nice to play games more focused more on fun than realism. And by fun, I don't mean shallow and lacking in strategy, because those elements are there.
    Honestly, it would be asinine to put out a AAA basketball game without MyPlayer and UT modes as the main focus. If there is time and money left over, a franchise mode is great, although a single season mode would get more play from me.
    It won't surprise me if franchise modes come back. But I have no idea how this article will help promote that. If the best you can do is explain why you are not like the majority of gamers, then its not going to be very compelling, to either gamers you want to embrace franchise play, or devs that have to build a game that their core audience actually likes. It's just that many of us have a hard time adapting to no longer being the target demographic.
    I appreciate all of the comments guys. Keep them coming.
    To JayhawkerStL, I get where you're coming from, but to me it's not so convincing anymore that we are in the minority. This years sales numbers will be more telling. If you have one game, that is full fleshed out, including an in depth single player experience selling 10 million units competing against another game who is focused solely on the Streets and authentic culture outside of the NBA selling 300k units, common sense says their strategy is failing.
    A certain demographic enjoys the streets and connected team up modes. If you have 10% of gamers who are Franchise guys, who just get into the nuts and bolts of the NBA experience, out of their 10M in sales, that's 1M potential copies to pull from. On the contrary, you have the game as it released for Live 18, with their sole focus on creating fresh content for The One mode, continuously churning out new challenges and rewards, and getting good reviews, yet selling only 300k in copies, that's not going to bode too well for them. What the demographics tell you, is that those 300k are more vocal on social media than those of us who want to sit and enjoy the game in the comfort of our own home, playing armchair GM. The YouTube generation has created a lot of loud people with big voices, who are a driving factor of where these companies go.
    If enough people chime in and become vocal however, I think we'd see the statistics come back the other way quite a bit.
    It's simple really. Even if they spend a ton of resources working on The One mode this year, they're going to have to triple their year over year sales number to even crack 10% of where the competition is, who has a fully fleshed out title.
    I'm truly hopeful that they bring it this year, and can reach those demographics who aren't into the MyPlayer modes. You've not had a franchise worth playing in over 9 years, with the options that are needed. You've built your game on a mode that appeases 1 type of gamer, that's it. You're missing a BIG percentage of NBA fans.
    We'll agree to disagree I'm sure, but I do appreciate you taking the time to post your opinion too.
    StormsWarning
    This by far is the best article I have seen written here on OS, and trust me there have been some gems. But this not only nails the foundation and the core of not only nba live current situation but imo a lot of other games as well.
    As I have said in the past I dont knock what.people like or dislike but you have to have common ground and that is gone out the window in game development. Everything is so screwed up and pushed down that dreaded quota hole that it is literally destroying the gaming community's and some are not even recognizing it.
    I dont know if will get what where asking for, it might just be to far gone, but I can say that I'm proud to see you step up and say what your heart feels and will not surcome to the greed and popularity vote just to appease a few hundred thousand or whatever. Ain't many built like you in this day and age that still has a real voice in the community. I'm going to fade on back for awhile, I'm disappointed in a lot that I see and I've pretty much had it.
    So thank you again WTF for being real and standing for what is right. Oh and as a fellow Cavs fan dont you sweat it brotha we gone get back to that dance you cant keep passion down! #Believeland.

    Truly appreciate it man. And I agree.. we'll be back, sooner rather than later. Both in #BelieveLand and #FranchiseLand lol.
    I really do believe EA going with a brand new broadcasting duo, has something to do with them upgrading the franchise mode too. By them doing this they'd be able to add in game injuries with fresh broadcasting lines for each player injury. So I'm remaining hopeful that this is the year EA upgrades franchise to its own replay value standard.
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    I was optimistic that after Live 14-16 Dynasty (which was still lacking but had some basics) came and went, they were going to correct and add-on in Live 18 to what they already had, but they didnt.
    Yea, they added a new player progression system in 18's Franchise, but at the cost of the mode's simpler staple features such as trade finder, which was disappointing.
    I guess EA Sports doesnt see enough dollar signs in the Franchise modes so they are more willing to put it in the backburner and improve other modes more frequently.
    Im a diehard Franchise guy, so I agree with WTF and his sentiments. Just gotta wait and see if EA Sports lives up to their word on giving us something worth investing time to as far as an solo NBA/WNBA experience
    I don't even give damn anymore... After reading this deeply rooted article by WTF_OS, I had to create a burner email to make this account.. I can't stay mad at the fact that this guy has been the voice, the mild temper meant approach he's took over the years to get the authentic sim side of the community heard!! This is truly a masterpiece!!! Hats off!
    You don't have to let us down easy WTF_OS... We all know EA has let us down once more... We know EA believes The One will become something in the future! We know PRO AM looks exactly like NBA 2K and 2K1 on the Dreamcast to people that bought NBA live 2000 & 2001... Don't be afraid to say it! I'll do the honors!
    EA WILL FAIL TIME AND TIME AGAIN IF THEY DONT REPRESENT WHAT MADE THEM!! Whenever they decide to develop NBA LIVE BASKETBALL again, that's when they'll start selling units!! Period... 2K SPORTS knows this!! That's it!
    WTF_OS Thanks for sharing this with us!!! From a franchise only guy for the past 20+ years, I have ONE question for you: DID YOU DROP THE MIC????:y220b:
    BANNED_OCFM
    I don't even give damn anymore... After reading this deeply rooted article by WTF_OS, I had to create a burner email to make this account.. I can't stay mad at the fact that this guy has been the voice, the mild temper meant approach he's took over the years to get the authentic sim side of the community heard!! This is truly a masterpiece!!! Hats off!
    You don't have to let us down easy WTF_OS... We all know EA has let us down once more... We know EA believes The One will become something in the future! We know PRO AM looks exactly like NBA 2K and 2K1 on the Dreamcast to people that bought NBA live 2000 & 2001... Don't be afraid to say it! I'll do the honors!
    EA WILL FAIL TIME AND TIME AGAIN IF THEY DONT REPRESENT WHAT MADE THEM!! Whenever they decide to develop NBA LIVE BASKETBALL again, that's when they'll start selling units!! Period... 2K SPORTS knows this!! That's it!
    WTF_OS Thanks for sharing this with us!!! From a franchise only guy for the past 20+ years, I have ONE question for you: DID YOU DROP THE MIC????:y220b:

    :lol: I got burner accounts coming out of the woodwork for support. Mama I've made it! Haha.
    Thanks for your support man.
    I've been as vocal as I possibly can to represent this community's collective voice and the things that matter for #SimNation. Up til this point, going through the atrocity that is NBA Live 18's franchise mode, it's not made an ounce of difference.
    And most definitely dropped the mic.
    Fantastic write-up. I agree with every point you made about the game, which seldom happens in these kinds of articles.
    I have a different outlook for the Cavs this year, but that is beside the point lol.
    BANNED_OCFM
    I don't even give damn anymore... After reading this deeply rooted article by WTF_OS, I had to create a burner email to make this account.. I can't stay mad at the fact that this guy has been the voice, the mild temper meant approach he's took over the years to get the authentic sim side of the community heard!! This is truly a masterpiece!!! Hats off!
    You don't have to let us down easy WTF_OS... We all know EA has let us down once more... We know EA believes The One will become something in the future! We know PRO AM looks exactly like NBA 2K and 2K1 on the Dreamcast to people that bought NBA live 2000 & 2001... Don't be afraid to say it! I'll do the honors!
    EA WILL FAIL TIME AND TIME AGAIN IF THEY DONT REPRESENT WHAT MADE THEM!! Whenever they decide to develop NBA LIVE BASKETBALL again, that's when they'll start selling units!! Period... 2K SPORTS knows this!! That's it!
    WTF_OS Thanks for sharing this with us!!! From a franchise only guy for the past 20+ years, I have ONE question for you: DID YOU DROP THE MIC????:y220b:

    This post was almost as good as WTF's article, not even gonna lie lol.
    I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to all of the finer details and minutiae when it comes to being super involved in franchise modes but I appreciate the effort of companies that give you a full franchise experience as long as the user can choose how involved or uninvolved they want to be. That being said, Live 18 gave us nothing. They cannot do that again. Can they?
    While I honestly have never in my history of gaming going back to Bulls vs Blazers (or whenever the first of the "modern" gaming systems arrived) finished an 82 game season (Actually playing all of the games). I believe I may have finished a truncated season (28 games). That being said, I love simming and scouting and free agency and drafting. We have to have salary caps and injuries and progression/regression. Those are fundamental and necessary and anything less than that is unacceptable in this day and age. I'd be cool with something similar to Madden's scouting and offseason of free agency and the draft. I know it's not super deep but it at least touches on all of the basic fundamentals of a pro sports simulation.
    Live 18 was such a breath of fresh air on the court. Proper spacing, cpu teammates understanding how to rotate defensively, fun on ball defense, the ability to fast break with out defenders sucking into you and morphing through your player, the ability to exploit mismatches ( If Zaza gets caught in a switch against a guard you can blow by him just like IRL). Players not clipping their entire bodies through your defenders when you play good defense. All of those things were such pluses. If they add on to what they laid down last year Live 19 has a chance to be awesome but if the franchise is bareboned unfortunately they will have once again delivered a partial game.
    vtcrb
    When you have no more news, you hype your mobile game. Lol... https://mobile.twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/1022202325211836416
    Obviously I hope I am wrong but after the article yesterday, it was like crickets and then you tweet that. #PRIORITIES
    Stinks, I already pre-ordered it on PS4. So I'm stuck this year, I'm out next year if franchise and online doesn't get fixed. I don't mind playing the one, but I don't want that to be my main game mode. It just doesn't do it for me. It's cool scanning yourself, it's cool, playing through the league and all, but it's just not the same as playing a franchise. I miss online leagues as well, and really want them back.
    Please EA, for the love of Pete, listen and bring back the meat and potatoes, I'm tired of the fluff!
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    Hope that I'm wrong, but I feel that if there were notable improvements in franchise mode, we would have heard it by now. It doesn't just need a minor buff either, it needs a total teardown.
    Yoooo..... Excellent write-up WTF :Applause:
    Been playing live since the bulls vs blazers days myself and I agree with everything you mentioned!
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    Appreciate it swac07. I've always brought the same voice down to Tiburon when I go down and try to represent the collective voices of this community man.
    I want this game to succeed... but right now man... with the state of 18 and the total experience, I'm finding a hard path to success until they start focusing on something other than The One, I just don't see it.
    They're missing a HUGE part of the market. Guys like us, who are older, who have the money to spend and buy games, etc, but who also won't buy a game if it's not what we're looking for.
    I battled to get Roster Editing in. And although it wasn't implemented as well as I'd have liked, it got in. If 19 doesn't have a more robust Franchise, I won't be onboard any more.
    Great article.
    I think the crux of the issue is that these days "the people" want the NBA experience from the perspective of the invididual (MyPlayer etc), whereas people like us want the NBA experience from the perspective of the universe (MyLeague etc). We want to play god with the entire NBA landscape. But the kids want to BE the player. That's the difference. And we're the minority.
    I was gonna make the switch over to NBA Live 19 this year because i've had enough of 2K's animations and creative direction (more about online than offline), but it appears NBA Live is trying to replicate 2K's creative direction rather than offer an alternative. I have only just discovered that now and it's disappointing. The alternative would be to make the best and deepest franchise mode ever created.
    Maybe i'll just have to move on from basketball videogames in general and get a new hobby. My favourite mode is dying and it doesn't look like any company sees it as a worthwhile venture to bring it back.
    I wish there was a game as deep as Football Manager but for basketball. Ohhhhh how i wish!!!
    Great article.. I've saying this for a very long time and it's not just NBA LIVE, the same goes for Madden. EA has lost focus on developing a true sim game and started catering to the casual gamer and microtransaction crowd. EA is no longer relevant in sports market. The only reason people buy madden is because they have no other choice. I think if EA was ti close its doors, i dont think anyone would miss them. 
    Barnsey
    Great article.
    I think the crux of the issue is that these days "the people" want the NBA experience from the perspective of the invididual (MyPlayer etc), whereas people like us want the NBA experience from the perspective of the universe (MyLeague etc). We want to play god with the entire NBA landscape. But the kids want to BE the player. That's the difference. And we're the minority.
    I was gonna make the switch over to NBA Live 19 this year because i've had enough of 2K's animations and creative direction (more about online than offline), but it appears NBA Live is trying to replicate 2K's creative direction rather than offer an alternative. I have only just discovered that now and it's disappointing. The alternative would be to make the best and deepest franchise mode ever created.
    Maybe i'll just have to move on from basketball videogames in general and get a new hobby. My favourite mode is dying and it doesn't look like any company sees it as a worthwhile venture to bring it back.
    I wish there was a game as deep as Football Manager but for basketball. Ohhhhh how i wish!!!

    Well said.... All of it is understandable though because of the tough road NBA LIVE has had but again, THERE IS NO EXCUSE WHY ANY NBA TITLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MARKETED THIS WAY!!! THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS TITLE TO NOT HAVE AN FRANCHISE MODE WORTH OUR TIME AND PATIENTS!!
    Can y'all IMAGINE a 30 TEAM ONLINE/OFFLINE NBA LIVE CONNECTED FRANCHISE MODE as deep as MYLeague BUT with EA's authentic point of view??
    COMBINE
    DRAFT
    SUMMER LEAGUE
    PRESEASON
    Run our teams like our own!! Etc Etc but we already know! God this is sad!!
    All with those licenses they all ready have!! The gameplay is there!! Why these guys only want a streetball community bugs the hell out of me!
    Barnsey
    Great article.
    I think the crux of the issue is that these days "the people" want the NBA experience from the perspective of the invididual (MyPlayer etc), whereas people like us want the NBA experience from the perspective of the universe (MyLeague etc). We want to play god with the entire NBA landscape. But the kids want to BE the player. That's the difference. And we're the minority.
    I was gonna make the switch over to NBA Live 19 this year because i've had enough of 2K's animations and creative direction (more about online than offline), but it appears NBA Live is trying to replicate 2K's creative direction rather than offer an alternative. I have only just discovered that now and it's disappointing. The alternative would be to make the best and deepest franchise mode ever created.
    Maybe i'll just have to move on from basketball videogames in general and get a new hobby. My favourite mode is dying and it doesn't look like any company sees it as a worthwhile venture to bring it back.
    I wish there was a game as deep as Football Manager but for basketball. Ohhhhh how i wish!!!

    I don't think we're as much in the minority as they think we are. If this is truly what the people want, why is the game still selling 500k copies, most of which were $5 a pop. That's less than a happy meal, yet people still aren't willing to give this game a shot, when The One is getting rave reviews.
    People are looking at it, and saying what else is there after I play this mode. And the answer they're coming up with, is nothing. There is nothing there engaging enough to play after The One. They can play it, and have their fun, but at the end of the day, they still want something more to fall back on.
    With the established user base of PS4 and Xbox One consoles out there, if you aren't breaking 1 million copies at $5 a piece, you're doing something wrong.
    People gave it good scores on the gameplay front last year, which I somewhat agree with. It's a more free/fun pick up and play game. The demo won a lot of people over, but they still aren't buying it because there's nothing that intrigues them.
    If this game, Live 19 doesn't pass 1.5 million combined sales, I'd say it's a gret failure and they need to rethink their strategy.
    2k has 10 million copies out there. Even if 10% of the base of 2k ONLY care about franchise mode, that's a pool of 1 million people. If Live gave 1 million additional people another opportunity to see a fresh perspective of franchise mode, at a discount, on a game that's fun and easy to play, I'd say you could convert quite a few players. Not only convert them, but be like me and pick up both of them.
    I would almost venture to say, that on a limited install base, the Switch version of NBA 2k18 probably outsold Live did on both Xbox One and PS4, and that's pretty sad.
    The problem is, among that imaginary 10% are probably more than half that play franchise modes, but could honestly care less about their depth. Heck, most would prefer as little depth as possible so that the emphasis is on playing games.
    Not all franchise players are equal. The niche of team and roster management fans is the actual small part of the people who play.
    I think trying to blame Live’s sales struggles on a shallow franchise mode is questionable. 2K has earned a monumental mindshare lead. And while it’s franchise mode is lauded by fans of franchise modes, it’s the MyPlayer and MyTeam modes that dominate the interest in in their target demographics. Younger gamers represent a much better demographic to target, because they have significantly more years of faithful annual purchases. The older we get, the more discerning we get, and the more likely that we leave sports gaming, or gaming in general.
    The NBA Live series fell apart due to terrible gameplay. That’s what they had to nail down first. And as much as many of us enjoyed 18’s gameplay, it’s also pretty clear it is still a work in progress.
    I expect 19 to sell better, becausecword has gotten out that the gameplay is better. And many, like me, find Live to just feel lighter and more responsive than 2K’s game. If EA wants to build the series, they need to reel in the younger demographic, not the aging franchise guys. They need to sell kids on gameplay, and The One and LUT are much better positioned to do that.
    I’m not saying anyone needs to like it. But I think it is foolhardy to expect EA to take an approach to focus on the needs of their smallest and oldest demographic.
    If it bombs again this year though, do they continue down the same path?
    And on the imaginary 10%, I was saying that 1/10 of 2k gamers only care about MyGM/MyLeague. I'd venture to sya that number is larger than it is, but still yet, even if you get half of that, so 5% of 2k's sales, that's still selling double what you're currently selling.
    People are coming back around to Live, but I've heard the same comments over and over. It's not a full title. It's not worth $40-60. It doesn't offer as much. It's fun, but won't hold my attention.
    So I guess what I'm thinking, is that if a $4.49 game, and I actually think it sold at $1.49 on PSN for a few weeks, can't get you a TON of sales with the demographic that you're targeting, maybe it's time to rethink things.
    I'm not saying you need to ditch that mode and go gung ho on franchise & LUT. I'm just saying bring half the resources over to other modes, and continue forward with the other half towards The One.
    And to say some people don't want that much of an indepth franchise, I agree there too. It doesn't need to be as crazy as MyLeague. But in game injuries isn't asking for much. Asking for CPU to generate trades, isn't asking much. Asking to even see the list of prospects in an upcoming draft class, prior to the time you get ready to enter the draft... isn't asking much. The mode is horrible. There is nothing redeeming about it, sans maybe the interface.
    I also don't think giving them a pass because we aren't their target demographic is the right way to go about it. I've given feedback for 5 years. When I look at feedback that I've given and things that have been implemented (basic things keep in mind), how much would you venture to say has gotten implemented?
    You covered it all, WTF.
    Their time is now. I see the discount available to last year's buyers, but I have not taken the dive yet. I need to know there's more to the game than The One or endless exhibition games against the CPU.
    JayhawkerStL
    The problem is, among that imaginary 10% are probably more than half that play franchise modes, but could honestly care less about their depth. Heck, most would prefer as little depth as possible so that the emphasis is on playing games.
    Not all franchise players are equal. The niche of team and roster management fans is the actual small part of the people who play.
    I think trying to blame Live’s sales struggles on a shallow franchise mode is questionable. 2K has earned a monumental mindshare lead. And while it’s franchise mode is lauded by fans of franchise modes, it’s the MyPlayer and MyTeam modes that dominate the interest in in their target demographics. Younger gamers represent a much better demographic to target, because they have significantly more years of faithful annual purchases. The older we get, the more discerning we get, and the more likely that we leave sports gaming, or gaming in general.
    The NBA Live series fell apart due to terrible gameplay. That’s what they had to nail down first. And as much as many of us enjoyed 18’s gameplay, it’s also pretty clear it is still a work in progress.
    I expect 19 to sell better, becausecword has gotten out that the gameplay is better. And many, like me, find Live to just feel lighter and more responsive than 2K’s game. If EA wants to build the series, they need to reel in the younger demographic, not the aging franchise guys. They need to sell kids on gameplay, and The One and LUT are much better positioned to do that.
    I’m not saying anyone needs to like it. But I think it is foolhardy to expect EA to take an approach to focus on the needs of their smallest and oldest demographic.

    I agree with this wholeheartedly. Live is in the business of making money, not appeasing an older/smaller demographic. Still think there needs to be some foundation-level stuff in franchise (CPU trades, etc.), but I see why they are marketing "The Streets" more than anything.
    In all seriousness, what needs to be updated to The Streets over the course of the year?
    Seems like it's arcade basketball you play with your friends. What else do you need?
    I guess I don't understand why that requires so many resources that a franchise mode can barely get any.
    I see why they're marketing it too... It makes perfect sense.
    "Live is in the business of making money"... Weeeeeeelllllllll.... lol. Not in recent memory they aren't. That's part of the reason I want them to shift some of the development resources to provide a more complete experience for every type of gamer.
    I'm not oblivious to the fact that we're a smaller and aging group. But we exist, and still in numbers. We have expendable income, for the most part too. But we're also wiser with our money (again, for the most part).
    They need to continue improving the One mode, while allocating enough in resources to put forth a complete product. I'm hopeful that with the new Brazil studio, they'll have more than enough resources to really churn out a better experience for everyone.
    WTF
    I see why they're marketing it too... It makes perfect sense.
    "Live is in the business of making money"... Weeeeeeelllllllll.... lol. Not in recent memory they aren't. That's part of the reason I want them to shift some of the development resources to provide a more complete experience for every type of gamer.
    I'm not oblivious to the fact that we're a smaller and aging group. But we exist, and still in numbers. We have expendable income, for the most part too. But we're also wiser with our money (again, for the most part).
    They need to continue improving the One mode, while allocating enough in resources to put forth a complete product. I'm hopeful that with the new Brazil studio, they'll have more than enough resources to really churn out a better experience for everyone.

    Exactly last year the focus was on "The One" and that didn't turnout to be a financial gain. As has been stated many times the "Old Guy" are the minority. Well in this age of Social Media, the "Young Guys" sure aren't supporting the game. Just go look at the RTs,Likes, Comments for everything NBA LIVE puts out. Doesn't exactly show me the "Majority" are following like so many claim.
    JayhawkerStL
    The problem is, among that imaginary 10% are probably more than half that play franchise modes, but could honestly care less about their depth. Heck, most would prefer as little depth as possible so that the emphasis is on playing games.
    Not all franchise players are equal. The niche of team and roster management fans is the actual small part of the people who play.
    I think trying to blame Live’s sales struggles on a shallow franchise mode is questionable. 2K has earned a monumental mindshare lead. And while it’s franchise mode is lauded by fans of franchise modes, it’s the MyPlayer and MyTeam modes that dominate the interest in in their target demographics. Younger gamers represent a much better demographic to target, because they have significantly more years of faithful annual purchases. The older we get, the more discerning we get, and the more likely that we leave sports gaming, or gaming in general.
    The NBA Live series fell apart due to terrible gameplay. That’s what they had to nail down first. And as much as many of us enjoyed 18’s gameplay, it’s also pretty clear it is still a work in progress.
    I expect 19 to sell better, becausecword has gotten out that the gameplay is better. And many, like me, find Live to just feel lighter and more responsive than 2K’s game. If EA wants to build the series, they need to reel in the younger demographic, not the aging franchise guys. They need to sell kids on gameplay, and The One and LUT are much better positioned to do that.
    I’m not saying anyone needs to like it. But I think it is foolhardy to expect EA to take an approach to focus on the needs of their smallest and oldest demographic.

    I also don't think giving them a pass because we aren't their target demographic is the right way to go about it. I've given feedback for 5 years. When I look at feedback that I've given and things that have been implemented (basic things keep in mind), how much would you venture to say has gotten implemented?
    EXACTLY!!! This was an so called " PRIORITY " during NBA LIVE 14's marketing disaster!! We should have been had most of this stuff!!! NBA 2K fans remember NBA LIVE DEVELOPERS talking about how much they had planned for the FRANCHISE but yet year after year, nothing has changed!!! THATS WHY SELLS aren't translating.... 2K fans would rather get screwed over by 2K than EA... For some reason I just think everything they're doing including the events, award reveal, oh my god the interaction on Twitter is just CORNY!!! It's not cool.. Lame! They can't even make people share or retweet what they believe is lit!!! Sad...
    vtcrb
    Exactly last year the focus was on "The One" and that didn't turnout to be a financial gain. As has been stated many times the "Old Guy" are the minority. Well in this age of Social Media, the "Young Guys" sure aren't supporting the game. Just go look at the RTs,Likes, Comments for everything NBA LIVE puts out. Doesn't exactly show me the "Majority" are following like so many claim.

    Took the words right out of my mouth!! ( I didn't catch this post beforehand lol )
    EXACTLY!!!
    I see you on Twitter hounding them VTCRB.... You've been consistent too and they ignore you!! But look, anybody can go on YouTube and look at the content... It's overwhelmingly " ADULTS " playing, promoting, and sharing insight on NBA LIVE!! You see the new guys talking about switching over but that's it... There is no younger demographic to appeal too with the THE ONE or PRO-AM.. Let's be honest, the WNBA mode should have took off... It's by far the least mentioned and that's why you got some vacation driven EA GAMECHANGERS out here throwing tidbits... The YouTubers assigned to create content are being limited to what they can do so their constantly battling dry spells.. Guys in the community have started to cannibalize each other ( NBA LIVE IS MINE: I feel you but for real you know what time it with me homie so keep doing what your doing ) and that's making things worst!! Where is the one person that's passionate enough about the game and the fans to stand up and say " LOOK NBA LIVE COMMUNITY " This is what it is and that's the problem!! That department is not capable of doing that... That's the 100% truth!! They just can't...
    I'll just be happy when July 31st/August 1st rolls around. Seems like every day you guys are spazzing in here lol. I at least hope they give you guys a reason to spazz (in reference to 19 and not any previous titles).
    BANNED_OCFM
    Took the words right out of my mouth!! ( I didn't catch this post beforehand lol )
    EXACTLY!!!
    I see you on Twitter hounding them VTCRB.... You've been consistent too and they ignore you!! But look, anybody can go on YouTube and look at the content... It's overwhelmingly " ADULTS " playing, promoting, and sharing insight on NBA LIVE!! You see the new guys talking about switching over but that's it... There is no younger demographic to appeal too with the THE ONE or PRO-AM.. Let's be honest, the WNBA mode should have took off... It's by far the least mentioned and that's why you got some vacation driven EA GAMECHANGERS out here throwing tidbits... The YouTubers assigned to create content are being limited to what they can do so their constantly battling dry spells.. Guys in the community have started to cannibalize each other ( NBA LIVE IS MINE: I feel you but for real you know what time it with me homie so keep doing what your doing ) and that's making things worst!! Where is the one person that's passionate enough about the game and the fans to stand up and say " LOOK NBA LIVE COMMUNITY " This is what it is and that's the problem!! That department is not capable of doing that... That's the 100% truth!! They just can't...

    They been ignoring me for years. Lol... I gave them clear feedback about Player Specific Ratings (which they asked me for) and it seemed to hurt their egos. I gave them specific data backing up my feedback, which was on over 50 players(including Superstars). They said thanks for the feedback and have ignored me since then. Lol
    noshun
    Will we talked about this years ago. Sounds like you're almost ready to join me. Seems the rest are still:

    After this year, Beyond ready man.
    WTF
    I don't think we're as much in the minority as they think we are. If this is truly what the people want, why is the game still selling 500k copies, most of which were $5 a pop. That's less than a happy meal, yet people still aren't willing to give this game a shot, when The One is getting rave reviews.
    People are looking at it, and saying what else is there after I play this mode. And the answer they're coming up with, is nothing. There is nothing there engaging enough to play after The One. They can play it, and have their fun, but at the end of the day, they still want something more to fall back on.

    With the established user base of PS4 and Xbox One consoles out there, if you aren't breaking 1 million copies at $5 a piece, you're doing something wrong.
    People gave it good scores on the gameplay front last year, which I somewhat agree with. It's a more free/fun pick up and play game. The demo won a lot of people over, but they still aren't buying it because there's nothing that intrigues them.
    If this game, Live 19 doesn't pass 1.5 million combined sales, I'd say it's a gret failure and they need to rethink their strategy.
    2k has 10 million copies out there. Even if 10% of the base of 2k ONLY care about franchise mode, that's a pool of 1 million people. If Live gave 1 million additional people another opportunity to see a fresh perspective of franchise mode, at a discount, on a game that's fun and easy to play, I'd say you could convert quite a few players. Not only convert them, but be like me and pick up both of them.
    I would almost venture to say, that on a limited install base, the Switch version of NBA 2k18 probably outsold Live did on both Xbox One and PS4, and that's pretty sad.

    That's your guess. I have to disagree with this guess. I think it's not getting sales because people think the animations are kinda wack, especially compared to 2K.
    The reason for low sales isn't because franchise mode isn't there, it's because the core game isn't great. It doesn't look as "wet", and it's not as deep.
    People wouldn't even notice the lack of game mode depth until after they buy the game anyway
    Barnsey
    That's your guess. I have to disagree with this guess. I think it's not getting sales because people think the animations are kinda wack, especially compared to 2K.
    The reason for low sales isn't because franchise mode isn't there, it's because the core game isn't great. It doesn't look as "wet", and it's not as deep.
    People wouldn't even notice the lack of game mode depth until after they buy the game anyway

    I think people would notice the lack of game modes without buying. When all that has been talked about is streets. It's literally being marketed as a street ball game. They've released mobile news (!) before Franchise and LUT.
    I agree with WTF on almost all fronts here.
    I played The One for a week. Got about halfway through the season and get bored. Hopped on to franchise and played for an hour before realizing it's just play now games and basically nothing else. I haven't picked up the game since then.
    I think people see its just a street ball game. And why buy Live when you can get 2k and get streetball, proam, and franchise? I know Im not buying it if franchise isn't improved.
    If Live would build fleshed out modes I think people would be willing to try them especially when it's on sale for 5 bucks. But when there's no modes worth trying Noone is going to buy it.
    I already told WTF this on Twitter, but the lack of response from any dev is alarming to me. Can't even get a "hey franchise got some improvements!" I know they said "mid to late July".
    But it's the 27th, and there hasn't been a HINT of anything. Meanwhile we've been shown multiple street courts, clothes and shoes, and even their Mobile game. That tells me pretty much all I need to know. I hope I'm wrong but it feels like we're going to get marginal improvements at best. Probably one or two small things. If they had something big it would've been teased by now. There isn't even a franchise blurb on the game description on gamestop.com
    Hoping for the best, Im not giving 2k my money regardless, But expecting the worst.
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    Thats the thing, even if 2K knows that MyGM/MyLeague is the least played of their major modes, they don't see that as an excuse to not make it fully fleshed out, no matter who plays the mode everyday or who plays it once and never touches it again. They will consistently have the same player base for that mode because its a worthwhile mode that you can sink your teeth into for years to come.
    Once Live figures that out, then sky's the limit.
    So they still haven't fixed the way the salary cap works for 19?
    It's makes franchise way too easy along with the other points put here.
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    I was so very excited to buy Live this year. Everyone jumping on the hype train. Been thinking about it since i played live 18 and thought “well 18 gets a pass. Franchise should be solid in 19”. Here we are on July 29 with no news and not one reply from NBA Live Twitter or a dev about franchise. It seems like devs are going out of the way to not reply to anyone asking about it. I’ve asked Cornell a few times, tweeted the live account a few times. I see people asking emsola. Total radio silence. But they respond to stuff saying the game will be ""
    Just wish they'd come out and say "yo we tried and weren't able to improve much." That would be better than continuing to ask for pre-orders and leaving franchise gamers wondering.
    Have to pass this year with if there's no Franchise improvements.
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    The sad thing is Live is getting a lot of attention and building a strong buzz only around the ONE mode alone, EA is not stupid and they see what whats hot right now and in order to build their fan base back they are honestly doing exactly what they should be. Unfortunately just like us "old heads" frown upon hip hop music these days because it's not "what we grew up on" times have changed for video games also, kids don't want to pay the CPU anymore, our style of video gaming is changing! All kids have attention deficit disorder these days and want everything immediate without waiting, playing a street ball game with your friends to quickly level up and get "loot boxes" etc is what they want. Maybe we can blame this on 2K and the popularity of their online mode....hell there is a 2k league now even! The league is not a bunch of 40 year olds who are playing franchise against the CPU, it's dominated by a younger crowd who are turning into "pros" by building squads and maxing out their characters. Welcome to 2018!
    Originally I felt sports games were being ruined by me deciding which slider set out of 100 I wanted to use. I spent more time trying to find "the perfect set" than actually even playing the game! I started to feel like an unpaid game tester for the companies and the games did not seem fun to me anymore. These days I see the trend going more towards squads and online play and for someone who does not even want to play online or put a headset on to hear people in my ear it's a disturbing trend but something else we all are going to have to adapt to. As much as I loved collecting cards growing up for some reason I don't enjoy opening packs in my games and building my team to play others. It's just not me. I'm outnumbered tho and every sports game is flooded with it unfortunately those are the popular modes and what most want so for EA to go from a joke to this new generation saying hey this is fire then I say kudos to them because they are trending in the right direction for this new generation of gamers.
    I'll give it this year. I want to see how successful it is, after the resources allocated to this mode the past 2 years, it should sell if that market cares. I feel like it's the cool thing to retweet on twitter (where the most devs are looking), and give them props. But your crowd had better follow through with a purchase. I'm just not sure that they will.
    So again, if that is the crowd that they cater to, the results this year SHOULD be MUCH better than they were last year, especially with all of the videos coming out yesterday, really hyping the mode up.
    If it sells well, then kudos to EA. I commend them. I just won't be playing the game. I will be happy they found their lane and doing well in it.
    If it doesnt' sell well, I'd ask that they reevaluate their target audience, as something isn't working.
    What is your definition of "MUCH better?" Is a 20% increase enough? Did you want a 50% increase? What numbers are you looking for to let EA make the game they want for the customers they want to sell it to?
    I'd say a successful sports title will sell 1m copies combined. On pat with PES or similar 2nd tier sports games.
    To be successful and have the type of longevity that you are looking for, imo they need to regain a little bit of market share. You can't have another albatross of a year where you are giving away the title.
    Meta critic wise I'd hope they'd look to garner an 8 or better.
    I won't give it a year again. The only way I would buy it again without any changes to franchise mode would be in December when it is on sale for $6! I quit playing Madden because I got tired of the stale franchise mode. I did not enjoy it and I felt like every year the devs said, "Next year we will focus more on franchise" and I never felt that it got anywhere close to how good it used to be. This is what I have always been cautious with about Live. That it would become one of those things that they would act like it was coming, but never would fully materialize.
    I was a day one purchaser last year, bottom line this year though, if the franchise is the same or anywhere close to what it was last year, I will not be buying.
    WTF
    I'd say a successful sports title will sell 1m copies combined. On pat with PES or similar 2nd tier sports games.
    To be successful and have the type of longevity that you are looking for, imo they need to regain a little bit of market share. You can't have another albatross of a year where you are giving away the title.

    Right.
    So the talk was about Live 16 selling something like in there tens of thousands of copies. Live 17 was cancelled. Live 18 jumped that to 300K.
    Yes, EA needs Live to be selling at least a million. Are you suggesting that if they don't see better than 300% growth, then it's a failure?
    I dont buy that a lot of people dont want a franchise mode I would think it would be the complete opposite of that. When playing a nba game or nhl,nfl,mlb the point is that you get to play has your favorite team why would you want to just play has a single player? This is not a sport like golf where its just 1 person.
    Smallville102001
    I dont buy that a lot of people dont want a franchise mode I would think it would be the complete opposite of that. When playing a nba game or nhl,nfl,mlb the point is that you get to play has your favorite team why would you want to just play has a single player? This is not a sport like golf where its just 1 person.

    I don't think comparing a career mode in an basketball game to a golf game is the right comparison.
    JayhawkerStL
    Right.
    So the talk was about Live 16 selling something like in there tens of thousands of copies. Live 17 was cancelled. Live 18 jumped that to 300K.
    Yes, EA needs Live to be selling at least a million. Are you suggesting that if they don't see better than 300% growth, then it's a failure?

    I'd see it that way. I'm sure the shareholders would see it that way.
    i don't know if you think I'm being unnecessarily harsh or what. I've been a big voice and advocate for Live over the past 4-5 years, as I saw what they were doing and saw the positives in their game.
    But at some point, you have to be realistic and say when something is or isn't working. I think if you're on the outside looking in, this is one of those years.
    2k sales 10M copies. Now, if they're modeling their game after 2k's successful MyPark & MyCareer, etc because their target demographic is those 2k players who are into that mode, you need to gain market share if you want to stay viable. Even at 10% of 2k's sales, that is 1M copies sold. So if you're able to get 10% of people to buy Live, you're at 1M copies sold. 10% of a target demographic isn't a lot. If you're putting all the emphasis on this street mode, my player career type mode, and not appeasing anyone else, then I'd expect a 10% gain in that type of demographic should be realistic.
    Add onto that the WNBA, which you've put some resources into.
    If this game doesn't sell 1M copies between 2 systems, I'll consider it a failure. And I'm not saying they need to listen to me. Their a billion dollar company. They don't need to listen to me. I'm saying in my eyes, that would be the worst case scenario when you've put all of your resources into this mode.
    If the franchise isn't there, then I personally won't support the title. I've preordered, but will likely cancel, as the title won't have the appeal to me. I've done screenshots, I've done videos, I've done countless feedback sessions all to try to help show this game in a positive manner, even without being able to fully enjoy the title because it isn't catering to "me".
    I'm just saying, I won't be there any longer. Agree, disagree, whatever.
    Go back and read my 3 Year Process thread back in here, that I wrote in 2014, about us never really getting that 3rd year final product. They'd always say, it's a process, we're on year 2 of 3... wait til next year, then we'll have fully fleshed out modes, etc. The title never came. That's where I'm at once again. I feel like the title that I'm personally looking for, is always the 3rd year of a 3 year process, that gets rebooted after year 2.
    I'm done supporting an NBA game, that doesn't feature the NBA. If the title doesn't sell well and gain market share among the target demographic, they should go back to the drawing board and rethink their decisions. That's all I'm saying.
    Interesting article, and I generally agree. However, while I recognize that offline franchise has a certain level of convenience not afforded by online franchise leagues, AI will never match the unpredictability of playing and managing a roster with other human beings.
    So, as one early poster mentioned, I think NBA Live is dropping the ball with their failure of transporting the CFM from Madden over to Live. They have to look at their competition and see where they're lacking, and one clear area is online leagues.
    The interesting part is that CFM as well as EASHL already provides the infrastructure to have both online leagues as well as online my player leagues. The latter would be a pro-am with structure, or, it allows people to have the freedom to have an online myplayer league with just a few friends. I always thought it would be a ton of fun to setup a myplayer league with 4-5 other friends. Just imagine controlling your player and meeting your friend in the conference championship, each controlling his own player. I think NBA Live is making a mistake focusing so much on the street ball at the expense of these modes as these are clear weaknesses in their competitors.
    I also feel like mentioning that I'm a fan of MyPlayer modes more in theory than in practice. I can't stand the scripted story lines and the horrible AI that forces you to be a badass because your teammates cannot do anything to save their lives. I want a challenging myplayer mode (which I think should be separate from pro-am anyhow).
    WTF
    I'd see it that way. I'm sure the shareholders would see it that way.
    i don't know if you think I'm being unnecessarily harsh or what. I've been a big voice and advocate for Live over the past 4-5 years, as I saw what they were doing and saw the positives in their game.
    But at some point, you have to be realistic and say when something is or isn't working. I think if you're on the outside looking in, this is one of those years.
    2k sales 10M copies. Now, if they're modeling their game after 2k's successful MyPark & MyCareer, etc because their target demographic is those 2k players who are into that mode, you need to gain market share if you want to stay viable. Even at 10% of 2k's sales, that is 1M copies sold. So if you're able to get 10% of people to buy Live, you're at 1M copies sold. 10% of a target demographic isn't a lot. If you're putting all the emphasis on this street mode, my player career type mode, and not appeasing anyone else, then I'd expect a 10% gain in that type of demographic should be realistic.
    Add onto that the WNBA, which you've put some resources into.
    If this game doesn't sell 1M copies between 2 systems, I'll consider it a failure. And I'm not saying they need to listen to me. Their a billion dollar company. They don't need to listen to me. I'm saying in my eyes, that would be the worst case scenario when you've put all of your resources into this mode.
    If the franchise isn't there, then I personally won't support the title. I've preordered, but will likely cancel, as the title won't have the appeal to me. I've done screenshots, I've done videos, I've done countless feedback sessions all to try to help show this game in a positive manner, even without being able to fully enjoy the title because it isn't catering to "me".
    I'm just saying, I won't be there any longer. Agree, disagree, whatever.
    Go back and read my 3 Year Process thread back in here, that I wrote in 2014, about us never really getting that 3rd year final product. They'd always say, it's a process, we're on year 2 of 3... wait til next year, then we'll have fully fleshed out modes, etc. The title never came. That's where I'm at once again. I feel like the title that I'm personally looking for, is always the 3rd year of a 3 year process, that gets rebooted after year 2.
    I'm done supporting an NBA game, that doesn't feature the NBA. If the title doesn't sell well and gain market share among the target demographic, they should go back to the drawing board and rethink their decisions. That's all I'm saying.

    No point in going back and forth with him, WTF. He's anti "Old guys on OS" . We don't have a voice, blah blah blah.
    Anyway, GREAT article. I saw this coming from the beginning of their marketing campaign this year. They have no desire to market or showcase the NBA portion of this game.
    Even in the videos Iv'e seen, the on the court action on the NBA side of things features all this ridiculous dribble moves that should stay on the playground side of things.
    It's possible folks are sick of 2K's MyPlayer aspect and will switch over to Live, but the people at EA are taking a big risk trying to corner this particular market. Only time will tell how this turns out.
    FYI: I'm 50
    I'm not anti-old guys. I do tire of old guys that continually privilege their view over everyone else.
    EA is not doing anything willy nilly. They run focus groups, track telemetry data, and are always looking for ways to maximize sales and revenue. So when they do something, my first instinct isn't to react about how it affects me, but look at why they made the choices they did.
    At some point, once you realize you are no longer the target demographic, it's okay to just walk away, or try to enjoy something differently. You might be surprised how much more fun life is if you try to enjoy things the younger generation are doing rather than fighting it so hard all the time. Because the younger generation wins every time.
    Companies have to change and adapt. Look at TV right now. My daughter just turned 21, lives with two roommates, and while they have a TV, they don't have an antenna or cable. they don't watch it. They use it for console gaming. Everything else is Netflix, Hulu and so on, and they use their laptops and phones. You think TV execs want to hear what I think about how to distribute TV and what kinds of shows to watch? Those days are over. It's nothing to be mad or bummed about. It's the way life works.
    Further, you know where most of my posts are here? Madden and Live, right now. Both games are preordered, and I am anxious to play them. I don't post about TGC, which I don't like. Before 2014, I never really posted about Madden at all. Hated the series, so I didn't play it. So what did I have to offer?
    When I started to bounce off The Show again this year, I didn't start posting about what I didn't like about it, I started playing and thinking about other stuff. I'm not anti-old guys. I'm anti-grumps that can't figure out how to stop obsessing over a game they don't like anymore.
    JayhawkerStL
    FYI: I'm 50
    I'm not anti-old guys. I do tire of old guys that continually privilege their view over everyone else.
    EA is not doing anything willy nilly. They run focus groups, track telemetry data, and are always looking for ways to maximize sales and revenue. So when they do something, my first instinct isn't to react about how it affects me, but look at why they made the choices they did.
    At some point, once you realize you are no longer the target demographic, it's okay to just walk away, or try to enjoy something differently. You might be surprised how much more fun life is if you try to enjoy things the younger generation are doing rather than fighting it so hard all the time. Because the younger generation wins every time.
    Companies have to change and adapt. Look at TV right now. My daughter just turned 21, lives with two roommates, and while they have a TV, they don't have an antenna or cable. they don't watch it. They use it for console gaming. Everything else is Netflix, Hulu and so on, and they use their laptops and phones. You think TV execs want to hear what I think about how to distribute TV and what kinds of shows to watch? Those days are over. It's nothing to be mad or bummed about. It's the way life works.
    Further, you know where most of my posts are here? Madden and Live, right now. Both games are preordered, and I am anxious to play them. I don't post about TGC, which I don't like. Before 2014, I never really posted about Madden at all. Hated the series, so I didn't play it. So what did I have to offer?
    When I started to bounce off The Show again this year, I didn't start posting about what I didn't like about it, I started playing and thinking about other stuff. I'm not anti-old guys. I'm anti-grumps that can't figure out how to stop obsessing over a game they don't like anymore.

    You're definitely right about the target demographic. I've come to that realization with WWE, something I'd been watching since I was 5-years-old. I'll be 40 next year and it's clear that WWE's programming isn't being built around guys my age, and that's OK. It may not appeal to me, but it obviously appeals to enough fans for WWE to continue with its current approach.
    The offline gamer has been marginalized and features downgraded and/or removed this generation. I don't know if they'll ever come back or if offline will ever be a developer's focus again. My gut says no. Would I like to see more resources devoted to the modes I play? Absolutely. I just don't see it happening.
    That said, it would be nice to at least have a playable franchise mode. Madden's CFM is far from great, but you can at least get through multiple seasons without too much hassle. I believe that a workable mode is what most of us in this thread are looking for.
    DJ
    That said, it would be nice to at least have a playable franchise mode. Madden's CFM is far from great, but you can at least get through multiple seasons without too much hassle. I believe that a workable mode is what most of us in this thread are looking for.

    This is exactly where I am. Make the mode workable and I will buy it even at full price. I want a FUN basketball game that I can play a season or two of franchise with. Live's gameplay was fun for me last year and I'd expect more of the same this year....I just want a team-oriented mode to play it in offline.
    NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.
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    TannerYoho
    NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.
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    That is the same thing I was thinking. Any data from last year's game would have been very misleading!
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    I've sat in on meetings that they've talked about how they get their target audience/demographics. There's a LOT of factors that can skew it.
    I'm simply saying, that if their target demographics don't buy their game this year, after all of their resources have went towards this mode, perhaps it's time they re-calibrate their focus.
    TannerYoho
    NBA Live couldn't have tracked much data involving franchise because it was completely barebones. They can't even get a true sense of who would play and who wouldn't because they put out a terrible franchise experience. Now if they put out a good one and numbers were trash okay that's one thing. But the mode wasn't good enough the stay in to get a fair estimation of what the player base would be.
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    You don't think they focus group test 2K players? And data can still tell you at what point doing they stop playing a mode. And did they turn the game off, or play something else? How often do they play, and what do they go to first? What modes do they play in other EA sports games?
    And focus testing can tell them a lot about what players of Live and 2K like in franchise modes, and what they think is annoying. I do hope franchise is improved, But I think it is foolish to think they are even going to approach what 2K is doing this year.
    And let's be clear, this is not about Live not needing franchise. It's about how they invest in building up the game over iterations, and what they focus on first. And 2K still massively owns the mindshare of basketball gamers.
    JayhawkerStL
    You don't think they focus group test 2K players? And data can still tell you at what point doing they stop playing a mode. And did they turn the game off, or play something else? How often do they play, and what do they go to first? What modes do they play in other EA sports games?
    And focus testing can tell them a lot about what players of Live and 2K like in franchise modes, and what they think is annoying. I do hope franchise is improved, But I think it is foolish to think they are even going to approach what 2K is doing this year.
    And let's be clear, this is not about Live not needing franchise. It's about how they invest in building up the game over iterations, and what they focus on first. And 2K still massively owns the mindshare of basketball gamers.
    I won't speak for others, but I for one have not said Live's franchise needs to be as good as what 2k offers. I have been asking for a step forward, something to show us to keep the faith.
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    oldman
    I won't speak for others, but I for one have not said Live's franchise needs to be as good as what 2k offers. I have been asking for a step forward, something to show us to keep the faith.
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    Agree. Don't expect that AT ALL. Not even in the slightest. Just basic things like in game injuries, cpu Trades, scouting. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel. But at least go to the junk yard and buy a cheap wheel.
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    TannerYoho
    Agree. Don't expect that AT ALL. Not even in the slightest. Just basic things like in game injuries, cpu Trades, scouting. Not asking them to reinvent the wheel. But at least go to the junk yard and buy a cheap wheel.
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    Exactly. Just make it functional...
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    JayhawkerStL
    FYI: I'm 50
    I'm not anti-old guys. I do tire of old guys that continually privilege their view over everyone else.
    EA is not doing anything willy nilly. They run focus groups, track telemetry data, and are always looking for ways to maximize sales and revenue. So when they do something, my first instinct isn't to react about how it affects me, but look at why they made the choices they did.
    At some point, once you realize you are no longer the target demographic, it's okay to just walk away, or try to enjoy something differently. You might be surprised how much more fun life is if you try to enjoy things the younger generation are doing rather than fighting it so hard all the time. Because the younger generation wins every time.
    Companies have to change and adapt. Look at TV right now. My daughter just turned 21, lives with two roommates, and while they have a TV, they don't have an antenna or cable. they don't watch it. They use it for console gaming. Everything else is Netflix, Hulu and so on, and they use their laptops and phones. You think TV execs want to hear what I think about how to distribute TV and what kinds of shows to watch? Those days are over. It's nothing to be mad or bummed about. It's the way life works.
    Further, you know where most of my posts are here? Madden and Live, right now. Both games are preordered, and I am anxious to play them. I don't post about TGC, which I don't like. Before 2014, I never really posted about Madden at all. Hated the series, so I didn't play it. So what did I have to offer?
    When I started to bounce off The Show again this year, I didn't start posting about what I didn't like about it, I started playing and thinking about other stuff. I'm not anti-old guys. I'm anti-grumps that can't figure out how to stop obsessing over a game they don't like anymore.

    All valid points, but here's what WTF and many others are trying to say I believe.
    2K gives us a full fledged my career mode, online, streetball, pro-am game, while STILL catering to the off-line franchise players. They have the deepest franchise mode I have ever seen in any sports game from this generation or the last.
    They've spoiled us. They cater to both sides of the fence and they do it quite well. With what they've given us, all we ask is why can't Live, Madden, The Show, or any other game give us that depth?
    It's like they start focusing on online modes and lose the capability to do anything for the offline portion of the game. 2K sells copies in the millions and does online and offline pretty damn well.
    I hate the "demographic" or "target audience" excuses. 2K has proven year after year that they can deliver a solid product to both audiences. So what the hell is the excuse for the other games?
    I think it comes down to budget. 2k has endless budget with being top of the market and McScrooge Duck amount of VC dollars. With that, I imagine they just have way more staff to assign to different modes.
    I am not a franchise guy...at all... But I really hope EA are able to meet your needs on here as 18 was an absolute breath of fresh air compared to 2k and would love to see it grow. I think the focus on the street is to bring in money and then I'd hope once they have a high enough player base, they can hire more staff to flesh out the complete package.
    As a player of EA UFC, I remember a similar discussion on their lack of Dev resources compared to other EA sports games and it's just that annoying catch 22 of not getting more resources until you sell more but we can't sell more until we get more resources to make the game better.
    Sorry for the long post, just as a mainly The One Street league player who dabbles in Street online, it's obvious from this thread that franchise does in fact need some love to attract a wider audience so hope for all Live fans sake, ye get some good news soon!
    MDSavageBeast
    Alright fellas. Day of Reckoning. Unleash your fury on EA. Lol.
    #LateJuly

    This is the same thing that I woke up thinking. For whatever reason the story has been that we will know more in late July. Well, here we are, late July...
    Yeah, and keep in mind, that was just posted on Twitter or in an interview, can't remember which.
    I'm hopeful that we get something, anything soon on the state of the mode.
    WTF
    Yeah, and keep in mind, that was just posted on Twitter or in an interview, can't remember which.
    I'm hopeful that we get something, anything soon on the state of the mode.
    Is there anyone you can reach out to and ask for info on Franchise?
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    MDSavageBeast
    I don't think comparing a career mode in an basketball game to a golf game is the right comparison.

    My point is that basketball is a team sport and golf is a individual sport and I dont think you play a team sport video game to just play has one player.
    JayhawkerStL
    FYI: I'm 50
    I'm not anti-old guys. I do tire of old guys that continually privilege their view over everyone else.
    EA is not doing anything willy nilly. They run focus groups, track telemetry data, and are always looking for ways to maximize sales and revenue. So when they do something, my first instinct isn't to react about how it affects me, but look at why they made the choices they did.
    At some point, once you realize you are no longer the target demographic, it's okay to just walk away, or try to enjoy something differently. You might be surprised how much more fun life is if you try to enjoy things the younger generation are doing rather than fighting it so hard all the time. Because the younger generation wins every time.
    Companies have to change and adapt. Look at TV right now. My daughter just turned 21, lives with two roommates, and while they have a TV, they don't have an antenna or cable. they don't watch it. They use it for console gaming. Everything else is Netflix, Hulu and so on, and they use their laptops and phones. You think TV execs want to hear what I think about how to distribute TV and what kinds of shows to watch? Those days are over. It's nothing to be mad or bummed about. It's the way life works.
    Further, you know where most of my posts are here? Madden and Live, right now. Both games are preordered, and I am anxious to play them. I don't post about TGC, which I don't like. Before 2014, I never really posted about Madden at all. Hated the series, so I didn't play it. So what did I have to offer?
    When I started to bounce off The Show again this year, I didn't start posting about what I didn't like about it, I started playing and thinking about other stuff. I'm not anti-old guys. I'm anti-grumps that can't figure out how to stop obsessing over a game they don't like anymore.

    Good point I know a lot and I mean a lot of people who dont have cable or any thing and only watch Netflix and hulu but that dosnt mean that just because a lot of people do that cable company's dont try to keep people using cable and just because a lot of people do that dont mean that different tv stations dont try to run shows to keep people watching.
    Smallville102001
    My point is that basketball is a team sport and golf is a individual sport and I dont think you play a team sport video game to just play has one player.

    Yeah, with the team aspect coming from squading up with friends lol. I still play 2K18 but I don't touch mycareer unless I'm grinding for a badge (stopped that long ago). I mainly play Pro-Am for the successes (and challenges) of playing with random teammates.
    Yep... it's a bit late to get any sort of excitement after 2k will inevitably bring down the house. Should have gotten people excited if they had improved it, and gained whatever preorders they could from it.
    The simple reality is that this game is not aimed at franchise players.
    Anyone even remotely hoping for some depth at this point is sadly delusional.
    They abandoned the season mode / franchise / dynasty style player ages ago and, basically because they have an NBA license and 'have' to include it, do so. But it is absolutely tokenism at its most obvious.
    The reality is they are chasing a street ball / online style market / buyer. For all I know, their data / surveys say that is what people want.
    But for season guys, it has been 'one off games / all the same style / stats don't matter / not even cpu trades (!!) / no controlled rosters' for ages now. And absolutely nothing is changing.
    I agree with some here. What I think is that unfortunately NBA live decided to give up on the franchise mode, at least in comparison to online modes, at least for now. I expect improvements, but only a few, nothing much, nothing what you could call a serious improvement. On the other hand, we can see how dedicated EA is towards The One and improving that mode.
    They will let 2k win offline/myleague battle since the gap there is just too big. I think the most of people who play these games today play it online and it is mostly my player / the one mode. From that point of view it could be seen as a smart decision, even though we don't like it. If they can win that battle, take a chunk of people from 2k, and go from there and try to attract more people from other modes, maybe that's their strategy.
    I still believe they have to “madden” “FIFA” “2k” this game out. Give this game the budget, resources, man power those games have.
    I may be wrong, I don’t have any insider info. But I’m assuming Live is a low budget game compared to those 3 games.
    Maybe these features are bare bones or even non existent because they don’t have enough resources to do so.
    Live has been a minor league game from EA for a long time now and obviously still is.
    I really don't want to get 2K. I hate giving them my money. But a 7000 word article about mygm/myleague. Man..They're going to pull me in.
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    TannerYoho
    I really don't want to get 2K. I hate giving them my money. But a 7000 word article about mygm/myleague. Man..They're going to pull me in.
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    I kind of feel the same, since myleague/franchise is my favourite mode. But there's no way I am preordering before the demo, I just have to check myself if they fixed things, defense mostly, that bothered me so much in 2k18.
    MDSavageBeast
    I think, either way, 2K's MyGM/League will be superior to NBA Live, regardless if EA makes improvements.

    I think that's a given, by FAR.
    I just want them to pay some attention to the actual NBA aspect of their game.
    WTF
    I think that's a given, by FAR.
    I just want them to pay some attention to the actual NBA aspect of their game.

    I'll be playing around with Live's franchise this year since you guys have intrigued me about it's details. Kinda wanna see for myself. I haven't touched franchise since I think 07.
    Lol it really does. MyLeague is already so customizeable that it makes you wonder how much else they can possibly do to it. There are so many options when setting it up that it almost feels like it is too much.
    I would think that 7,000 words would be about something extraordinary. Not just saying that they are basically going to tweak a few things on what they already have.
    I'm hoping that they are somehow going to bring the G league into the mix and make it playable, and maybe overseas will be incorporated somehow. Then I hope Live follows in those foot steps
    I really hope NBA Live eventually puts a lot of detail into the WNBA. So many of the female athletes play YEAR ROUND. How cool would it be to have an in depth WNBA franchise mode where you play the WNBA season over the summer months, then head over seas with different players signing with their European teams etc and you spend the rest of the year in overseas leagues and tournaments (which is sadly where most females athletes make the most money) Then the cycle repeats. It's literally year long fun.
    Then they could have fun with it with details like injuries while playing overseas means that a player won't be back until after the all star break in the WNBA.
    This would be challenging as well, because the WNBA is very cut throat when it comes to roster spots. They can only have 12 on their roster and with only 12 teams, that's only 144 players and a lot of talent is cut each season with no teams having room to pick them up. Therefore, if a player is going to miss time with an injury, you'd have to make a tough call on if you keep them on the roster, or cut them to free that spot up for somebody to help your team now.
    This is a crucial decision since each game counts so much in the WNBA since they now have the playoff system where the top 8 teams go regardless of conference. I am a huge fan of this system so it really adds to the enjoyment when you don't have to worry about how one conference is better than the other so the playoffs won't be fair. Now it's best of the best
    That's just a few of my ideas as a hard core WNBA fan who enjoys NBA live and sees so much potential in how to best use the WNBA now that they've put them in the game
    2k just released a long blog outlining how detailed and improved their MyLeague mode is. It really would be nice to finally hear something from Live 19, especially since "late July" never happened
    Just skimmed the 2K developer blog. I think the train has left the station. Funny thing is, I would still buy NBA Live just to have a different franchise experience -- as I'd be willing to lay down $120+ for my NBA fix. However, NBA Live must must show that there is an improvement over the incomplete franchise effort of NBA Live 18. Waiting.
    dynastymgrguy
    Just skimmed the 2K developer blog. I think the train has left the station. Funny thing is, I would still buy NBA Live just to have a different franchise experience -- as I'd be willing to lay down $120+ for my NBA fix. However, NBA Live must must show that there is an improvement over the incomplete franchise effort of NBA Live 18. Waiting.

    In my case, it needs to be a considerable improvement, not last second throw in stuff.
    I'm to the point where they have to earn my buy... There's no reason that they can't allocate the necessary resources to have a playable engaging mode by now.
    I'm almost to the point that only a WNBA franchise will make me want to buy Live 19. 2k19 has such a detailed myleague and the customization is off the charts so there's really no reason to buy live for a worse NBA franchise.
    I'm in love with The One mode in live 18, but I'm not going to buy the new live 19 just for that. I'm getting that fix from 18 still.
    dynastymgrguy
    Just skimmed the 2K developer blog. I think the train has left the station. Funny thing is, I would still buy NBA Live just to have a different franchise experience -- as I'd be willing to lay down $120+ for my NBA fix. However, NBA Live must must show that there is an improvement over the incomplete franchise effort of NBA Live 18. Waiting.

    War's over for me; 2K dropped the big one today.
    In my opinion it's pointless comparing any other sports games franchise mode/s to 2K as what the team at 2K are able to do is far and beyond. That team is just flat out talented. So I'd never base a Live purchase on a comparison of franchise modes.
    My issue with NBA live however is it's not even doing things similar to FIFA and Madden. I was impressed with the overall progress of live 18 but in the end never purchased it as there's only so much modes like the one grip me. The NBA side HAS to get better for me to make the purchase this year.
    KidHypeTellem
    In my opinion it's pointless comparing any other sports games franchise mode/s to 2K as what the team at 2K are able to do is far and beyond. That team is just flat out talented. So I'd never base a Live purchase on a comparison of franchise modes.
    My issue with NBA live however is it's not even doing things similar to FIFA and Madden. I was impressed with the overall progress of live 18 but in the end never purchased it as there's only so much modes like the one grip me. The NBA side HAS to get better for me to make the purchase this year.

    Oh I'm not comparing the two, nor would I personally ever make my decision to buy Live on whether or not their Franchise competed with 2k.
    Their Franchise just needs to be a solid, engaging experience. I personally wouldn't ever be able to play 2 games that both have insanely deep modes such as 2k. There just isn't enough time in the day.
    But I do want Live to have just the basics that I list in my article... That's not reinventing the wheel. That's taking the wheel from a 15 year old beater... and slapping it on. I just want, what we've had in the past with Live.
    There's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be there.
    KidHypeTellem
    In my opinion it's pointless comparing any other sports games franchise mode/s to 2K as what the team at 2K are able to do is far and beyond. That team is just flat out talented. So I'd never base a Live purchase on a comparison of franchise modes.
    My issue with NBA live however is it's not even doing things similar to FIFA and Madden. I was impressed with the overall progress of live 18 but in the end never purchased it as there's only so much modes like the one grip me. The NBA side HAS to get better for me to make the purchase this year.
    Comparing the 2 wouldn't be fair to the guys at 2k! They are so far ahead they need to be looking outside their genre to find a comparison!
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    WTF
    Oh I'm not comparing the two, nor would I personally ever make my decision to buy Live on whether or not their Franchise competed with 2k.
    Their Franchise just needs to be a solid, engaging experience. I personally wouldn't ever be able to play 2 games that both have insanely deep modes such as 2k. There just isn't enough time in the day.
    But I do want Live to have just the basics that I list in my article... That's not reinventing the wheel. That's taking the wheel from a 15 year old beater... and slapping it on. I just want, what we've had in the past with Live.
    There's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be there.

    Oh I completely agree. I was more making the statement in regards to myself. But yes as you said Live is lacking the basics and thats why I won’t jump to purchase it anytime soon. Rent or borrow it to try, maybe but at this moment I need to see more.
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    The game comes out next month(on my birthday lol), but as with last year it seems like it's hard for the live team to give us info. I check here daily to see what franchise improvements have been made. We should know what's in and not in the game by now. As of now, it seems like it's the same streetball stuff + female players for The One mode, which may not be enough to get people to pull the trigger...when it first releases anyway.
    If live 19 is like last year, you could probably get this game for dirt cheap on black friday.
    5 weeks away from release and EA Sports is still witholding information on Franchise/Dynasty Mode and any thing else regarding NBA Live 19.....this is troubing....
    Fist Of Kings

    If live 19 is like last year, you could probably get this game for dirt cheap on black friday.

    You can all but guarantee it will be dirt cheap come Black Friday. It's been like that for the past 4 versions of the game.
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    At this rate, the demo and trial will be out before we get any update on franchise mode. Maybe we'll get an update after the release date.
    At this point, it's sad because updates keep the fans excited. It's a buzz kill to continually get nothing when we were promised some info by a deadline that they failed to meet
    I'm still really enjoying Live 18 anyway, but this fumble on keeping their fans updated has killed any chance of me pre-ordering the new game
    sarlndr
    You can all but guarantee it will be dirt cheap come Black Friday. It's been like that for the past 4 versions of the game.
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    Yeah, I felt like an idiot paying full price on release only to see it for pennies come the holiday season. Lesson learned.
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    I'll guarantee you all that if nothing is out by the time EA Access hits, I'll be streaming and providing as much info as I can.
    MDSavageBeast
    I think, either way, 2K's MyGM/League will be superior to NBA Live, regardless if EA makes improvements.

    That is true because 2k is so far ahead when it comes to this but that dosnt mean that live should not try to improve franchise mode at all.
    WTF
    I'll guarantee you all that if nothing is out by the time EA Access hits, I'll be streaming and providing as much info as I can.
    Thanks, I don't have an Xbox. Is the EA access trial going to be the full game?
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    Supported the game like crazy last year. Pre-ordered full price and all. Seriously considering not buying this year if franchise mode isn’t improved.
    But LeBron will play exactly like LeBron this year as opposed to the other game. Isn't that what you wanted in this year's game?
    Cavs2016
    Supported the game like crazy last year. Pre-ordered full price and all. Seriously considering not buying this year if franchise mode isn’t improved.

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    oneHova
    But LeBron will play exactly like LeBron this year as opposed to the other game. Isn't that what you wanted in this year's game?
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    I heard that JR Smith will also play like JR Smith this year as well.
    If tendencies are anything like last year, everyone from George Hill to Brook Lopez will play like LeBron, as far as relentlessly attacking the rim..open or not, lol
    Hope they are improved this year.
    The 24th Letter
    If tendencies are anything like last year, everyone from George Hill to Brook Lopez will play like LeBron, as far as relentlessly attacking the rim..open or not, lol
    Hope they are improved this year.
    Agreed, it was better at times, then worse at others. Now that season is over and synergy is out of the way, have seems better from that aspect.
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    Just because I don't like the one or myplayer mode don't make me a out of touch gamer. It's what I like that was a stupid comment. This article is spot on I don't play online I want a NBA experience a in depth franchise mode or I'm not spending 40 or60 bills no way I'm done if it's not improved.
    Do you guys ever notice how spoiled we have gotten as gamers?
    This crossed my mind the other day when I was attempting to stream a basketball game from my laptop to the TV with an HDMI cable. My connection was a little weak so the picture was grainy. As much as I love HD quality, I grew up watching basketball on small tvs with worse quality and loved every second of it. I was able to kick back and enjoy this game because of the fact that I didn't care for perfection, so long as I was able to actually watch the game, period.
    With that being said, I feel like we as a gaming community are too needy with our expectations of franchise mode. I admit to being like this as well before taking a second to step back and look at the big picture.
    Why not appreciate the product that we get. EA sports has clearly put a lot of work into this game so even if it's not super fancy and customizable like 2k, it's still going to no doubt be a fun game. 2k19 will be available as well so if that's what you want then that should be what you buy, and if not then enjoy Live 19 for what it is.
    Sure, I would love a deep franchise mode, and would never need another basketball game ever if they include a WNBA franchise mode (lol) but in reality, I'm still going to buy this game if it is as fun as live 18 was.
    My point is to appreciate the game for what it is. Opinions and suggestions are great, but they should never cross into criticism since Live 19 is a product that was worked very hard on.
    Going against 2k isn't an easy thing to do, so having competition is a blessing in my opinion. We should unite as a community to support live and believe in the process instead of constantly threatening to not buy it if they don't put every bell and whistle on franchise mode
    This is coming from somebody who has also criticized EA sports for not having this or that, but who has now seen the error in his ways and is calling for the live community to support Live 19 100%.
    Appreciate the product and have fun with the options we do have or buy from the competition. Its an easy choice
    That being said, I can't wait to see what the future holds for franchise mode. Feel free to check out my franchise idea thread that I posted to generate excitement for the upcoming season.
    I don't mean to vent as this is only my opinion lol
    Some people get so invested in a game that it is part of their identity. They have evangelized the game for so long, that any failure of it too live up to some expectations means that they almost take it personal.
    Sometimes you just have to accept a game for what it is, or just play something else. It's not a big deal. But in today's world of social media, many people would rather play gatekeeper than just be a part of a community.
    Live's franchise mode was shallow and pointless last year, but I loved playing the game. So if Live's franchise mode is once again shallow and pointless, I think there is a very good chance I will still like the game. Worst case scenario, I don't like the game and I end up playing more Madden, Red Dead Redemption 2, or maybe I end up giving 2K another shot.
    But expecting any game to live up to expectations that they have never lived up to before is a recipe for frustration.
    Killuminati
    Do you guys ever notice how spoiled we have gotten as gamers?
    This crossed my mind the other day when I was attempting to stream a basketball game from my laptop to the TV with an HDMI cable. My connection was a little weak so the picture was grainy. As much as I love HD quality, I grew up watching basketball on small tvs with worse quality and loved every second of it. I was able to kick back and enjoy this game because of the fact that I didn't care for perfection, so long as I was able to actually watch the game, period.
    With that being said, I feel like we as a gaming community are too needy with our expectations of franchise mode. I admit to being like this as well before taking a second to step back and look at the big picture.
    Why not appreciate the product that we get. EA sports has clearly put a lot of work into this game so even if it's not super fancy and customizable like 2k, it's still going to no doubt be a fun game. 2k19 will be available as well so if that's what you want then that should be what you buy, and if not then enjoy Live 19 for what it is.
    Sure, I would love a deep franchise mode, and would never need another basketball game ever if they include a WNBA franchise mode (lol) but in reality, I'm still going to buy this game if it is as fun as live 18 was.
    My point is to appreciate the game for what it is. Opinions and suggestions are great, but they should never cross into criticism since Live 19 is a product that was worked very hard on.
    Going against 2k isn't an easy thing to do, so having competition is a blessing in my opinion. We should unite as a community to support live and believe in the process instead of constantly threatening to not buy it if they don't put every bell and whistle on franchise mode
    This is coming from somebody who has also criticized EA sports for not having this or that, but who has now seen the error in his ways and is calling for the live community to support Live 19 100%.
    Appreciate the product and have fun with the options we do have or buy from the competition. Its an easy choice
    That being said, I can't wait to see what the future holds for franchise mode. Feel free to check out my franchise idea thread that I posted to generate excitement for the upcoming season.
    I don't mean to vent as this is only my opinion lol

    Its not that its the fact that franchise mode has been like broken for years. Sim stats are not good, players dont get injured at least not in played games there is like no trades. The simple stuff dont even work. Right now it dosnt even need to have deep features just need simple things to work right.
    Killuminati
    Do you guys ever notice how spoiled we have gotten as gamers?
    This crossed my mind the other day when I was attempting to stream a basketball game from my laptop to the TV with an HDMI cable. My connection was a little weak so the picture was grainy. As much as I love HD quality, I grew up watching basketball on small tvs with worse quality and loved every second of it. I was able to kick back and enjoy this game because of the fact that I didn't care for perfection, so long as I was able to actually watch the game, period.
    With that being said, I feel like we as a gaming community are too needy with our expectations of franchise mode. I admit to being like this as well before taking a second to step back and look at the big picture.
    Why not appreciate the product that we get. EA sports has clearly put a lot of work into this game so even if it's not super fancy and customizable like 2k, it's still going to no doubt be a fun game. 2k19 will be available as well so if that's what you want then that should be what you buy, and if not then enjoy Live 19 for what it is.
    Sure, I would love a deep franchise mode, and would never need another basketball game ever if they include a WNBA franchise mode (lol) but in reality, I'm still going to buy this game if it is as fun as live 18 was.
    My point is to appreciate the game for what it is. Opinions and suggestions are great, but they should never cross into criticism since Live 19 is a product that was worked very hard on.
    Going against 2k isn't an easy thing to do, so having competition is a blessing in my opinion. We should unite as a community to support live and believe in the process instead of constantly threatening to not buy it if they don't put every bell and whistle on franchise mode
    This is coming from somebody who has also criticized EA sports for not having this or that, but who has now seen the error in his ways and is calling for the live community to support Live 19 100%.
    Appreciate the product and have fun with the options we do have or buy from the competition. Its an easy choice
    That being said, I can't wait to see what the future holds for franchise mode. Feel free to check out my franchise idea thread that I posted to generate excitement for the upcoming season.
    I don't mean to vent as this is only my opinion lol
    They can give us the product they want to provide and gamers will respond.
    Franchise players want franchise. If the title doesn't have a functional franchise, they have no reason to play.
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    oldman
    Let's do this...
    On a scale of 1-10, what is everyone's temp on NBA Live based on what information we have available?
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    2/10
    Yes the still Graphics look amazing...however we have yet to see extensive gameplay showcasing RPM improvements, Zero Franchise Mode information ...especially for the WNBA (and I am not entertaining the “we ran out of time” EA corporate line that we have been fed for years) and also there are no other modes, classic teams/players etc that have been talked about.
    dasunsrule32
    0
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    There is always one guy! Lol kidding.
    I'm at a 1. At a 5 I would maybe buy but as is I'm a no way I ever touch it until some Franchise information changes my mind.
    EA Sports, where NBA Live is in year 1 of 3... Until we start a new three year cycle again next year.
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    oldman
    There is always one guy! Lol kidding.
    I'm at a 1. At a 5 I would maybe buy but as is I'm a no way I ever touch it until some Franchise information changes my mind.
    EA Sports, where NBA Live is in year 1 of 3... Until we start a new three year cycle again next year.
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    The game I like, it's the franchise I'm a 0 on. No info, nothing to be excited about. Sounding more and more like it got left in the wind.
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    oldman
    Let's do this...
    On a scale of 1-10, what is everyone's temp on NBA Live based on what information we have available?
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    I'm between a 3-5, I'm just hoping the game doesn't become stale after a month or two. I don't want to be stuck with 5 maxed out characters with nothing else to do. Cause there's not enough depth or nuance in the other modes like franchise to hold my attention year round. Live run is fun, but it will get boring if it's not 4 quarters with rules and regulations. That's something I'm waiting for them to announce. I'm also hoping more penalties are added back into the game like traveling, goaltending and over the back fouls. These are things we still know nothing about and probably won't know until we get are hands on the demo. I think that's the approach EA is taking.
    oldman
    Let's do this...
    On a scale of 1-10, what is everyone's temp on NBA Live based on what information we have available?
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    Currently at a 5. The One can only take me so far & an issue I had with last year's game still seems to be there as I state below.
    If they only thing they do with franchise is eliminate the problems last year's mode has, I'll be at a 9.
    The biggest issue outside of no trades & no injuries last year was the way the schedule was setup going week to week.
    Looks like the schedule still goes week to week in The One according to some of the gameplay videos from last week. That doesn't bode well for Franchise mode IMO
    oldman
    I respect that. I feel like I was in that category last year and came away very impressed but it just wasn't deep enough.
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    Yeah Live is a breath of fresh air for me this time around. This will be my first time not buying 2K in quite a while. I may still buy 2K when the price drops, but IDK I doubt it. I may spend more time on Madden since I'm hearing great reviews about it.
    WTF
    Yep. I'll provide all the info I can as soon as EA Access hits.

    Just wanted to pop in here and give you props for your writeup -- a very well-thought, well-written article. I am 100% behind everything you said ... it'd be great to see EA give Franchise some much-needed attention.
    Madden's rollout (and subsequent multitudes of glitches) is not comforting, and they hyped CFM improvements. Live is eerily silent.
    With a week to go until the demo, I expect we will see news drop soon explaining how the new mechanics and features work.
    I wonder if the demo may actually provide that info, especially when it comes to franchise mode. Not that we can play franchise mode, but I'm expecting some sort of "what's new in franchise mode" video to play.
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    CMH
    With a week to go until the demo, I expect we will see news drop soon explaining how the new mechanics and features work.
    I wonder if the demo may actually provide that info, especially when it comes to franchise mode. Not that we can play franchise mode, but I'm expecting some sort of "what's new in franchise mode" video to play.
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    I'm seriously doubting it at this point...
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    The live dev/marketing teams are not good at communicating the their fans, or new possible customers. Sad that in another thread, people have to literally hunt the devs down on another website just to ask them questions, instead of a site like this which is the biggest site for sports gaming.
    To me, it seems like they are avoiding the community since they have gone against what we wanted by focusing on the streetball modes. And why are they just focusing on one mode, when their competitor has a complete franchise and streetball modes? How in a nba game is the nba itself an afterthought?
    Look i really really want to see Live suceed, i really do . I miss the old days of Live and with 18 i saw a lot of improvement in the right direction , except in 1 place, Franchise Mode.
    Now we ar less than a week away from the demo , 3 weeks from launch, and not 1 single word has been mentioned about franchise mode at all. Its almost literally like EA has banned anyone from even saying the word ( maybe they havent but it sure seems like it). I'm not sure who the "genius" is at EA who has made the choice to (seemingly) ignore franchise mode. But here is some real simple facts.
    Their competitor , whom they have trailed behind for years now and trying to catch up to, offers a very deep offline and now ONLINE franchie mode. Live will never , ever catch up to 2k by ignoring franchise. They are so far behind them in this 1 point, its not even a contest at all. Last year , i've seen reports, they only sold about 500,000 copies of live. That is not going to be able to keep this series afloat for another couple of years of sales like that. Its just not. Ignoring franchise mode will be their downfall and sad to see, because you can clearly see their devs have been working hard. Seems someone above them just does not thing franchise is worth time and money.
    Well, i got some sad news for those people. It will be the ruin of what could have been a great comeback. One highly talked about across the gaming world. Instead they are laying the groundwork for all that work for nothing talk, if they truely ignore franchise mode . I'm rather blown away this is not just common sense .
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