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NBA Live 19 Updates Rosters with Free Agent Moves - What Does This Say For NBA Live 20?

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NBA Live 19 Updates Rosters with Free Agent Moves - What Does This Say For NBA Live 20?

A new roster update has arrived for NBA Live 19. Yes, you heard that right. A roster update, which includes all of the wild free agent moves and trades. Check out the updated starting lineups below, along with number changes and all of the transactions, listed at the official website.

Roster updates, after the season has completed, typically don’t happen with NBA games (or sports games in general), as they are usually updated in the next iteration (IE: NBA Live 20, NBA 2K20, Madden NFL 20, MLB The Show 20, etc.).

NBA Live 10 updated its roster after NBA Elite 11 was canceled. EA didn’t release another NBA Live game until November 19, 2013, with NBA Live 14.

The NBA Live Twitter feed hasn’t talked about NBA Live 20 and it’s typically filled with requests from fans, inquiring about it.

Earlier this year, the NBA, NBPA and 2K announced a longterm partnership expansion, which was reportedly a 7 year deal, worth $1.1 billion. We discussed it more here.

Could be something, could be nothing, but time is ticking and it’s definitely something we will be monitoring.

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  1. Vazione
    While this is incredible support, I am now officially scared about Live 20.

    Yes. They did this with live 10 when elite 11 was cancelled.
    The devs have posted a ton of motion capture clips for Live 20 and other hints on IG. It’s definitely coming and they are definitely up to something.
    What if Live 20 was a huge DLC patch that gave us the new career and other stuff? Just a guess....
    Mintsa
    Yes. They did this with live 10 when elite 11 was cancelled.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed or get canceled. While this is great that they updated rosters. The fact that they have been radio silent, it leaves a lot of doubt about this year.
    With all the player likeness/motion capture footage, and the fact that EA created a studio in Madrid and said that they would be helping with 20 I cant imagine a game not coming. 19 was fairly well received (not sales wise necessarily) so it’s not really in the same realm as the mess that was Elite.
    I still truly believe that Live is planning on being released at its usual time but stuff like this does make me think that it’s possible that EA is going to try a later release date.
    I wouldn't be surprised if EA went back to it's roots and just released a NBA Live playoff addition next year for the playoffs, like their earlier 1990s games were. Release it for $30 and just do a full NBA Live game for the next gen consoles next year.
    Well, the writing is definitely on the wall.
    Almost August and not a word about a new game plus a roster update for 19 this late = no 20 very, very likely.
    Side note: I deleted 19 ages ago. Does this update include new rookies? I guess not?
    I wonder at what point they can add the rookies?
    I don't remember them saying anything about this being the last update so you would think something might be coming with them.
    I would be really happy with this game if there was a little crisper franchise mode and the teams more resembled their NBA team play style.
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    illwill10
    I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed or get canceled. While this is great that they updated rosters. The fact that they have been radio silent, it leaves a lot of doubt about this year.

    Them not announcing a new partnership with the nba along with 2k is what has red flags in my eyes....if they didn’t want to announce it the same time as 2k, fine ok. But it’s been months and still nothing....
    A cover athlete leaked. It was never officially announced.
    Pre-orders for 2k have been available for weeks now.
    The developers are either dead, stupid, or the game is off. Chances are, the game is off. Why would they let 2k get preorders for 2-3 weeks before even mentioning anything?
    I don't say that because I want it to happen, but 2k cover athlete was officially announced weeks ago. Preorders have been available. Add in the fact that Live hasn't said anything official about the game. Apparently, they were hard at work with an update to Live 19, but no word on Live 20.
    Maybe it isn't dead but coming back in a different sense.
    Could they possibly going a F2P route and start adding in updates and add ons to create revenue?
    The silence that we still have about all of this is wild.
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    Mintsa
    Them not announcing a new partnership with the nba along with 2k is what has red flags in my eyes....if they didn’t want to announce it the same time as 2k, fine ok. But it’s been months and still nothing....

    Maybe their licensing deal is on different years. But I really don't see Live getting a different deal than 2k. 7 years 1.1 billion is a lot of money per year for licensing. 2k can essentially pay that 157 mill off of the microtransactions/VC sales alone. EA has the money, but Live hasn't been selling that well.
    Starting next week, there is essentially 7 weeks until a projected release. Besides mo-cap/tweets/speculations, nothing official yet for NBA Live. I'm not saying it is canceled, it just brings up a lot of red flags. You usually don't see sports games updating rosters this late. I don't think it would be a good idea to cancel this year. It would be a bad look to cancel a game 2 out of 4 year span. Only way I can think they could do that is if they say they are fully committing to next gen consoles next year. Where they don't release this year and don't release a current gen next year. Where they put their primary focus on next gen, while just updating Live 19 in the time being
    They are still missing some minor moves like Emanuel Mudiay going to the Jazz & Rondae Hollis-Jefferson going to Toronto.  But why only increase Giannis' rating and make him a 99? Because he won MVP? He was perfect the way he was.
    illwill10
    Maybe their licensing deal is on different years. But I really don't see Live getting a different deal than 2k. 7 years 1.1 billion is a lot of money per year for licensing. 2k can essentially pay that 157 mill off of the microtransactions/VC sales alone. EA has the money, but Live hasn't been selling that well.
    Starting next week, there is essentially 7 weeks until a projected release. Besides mo-cap/tweets/speculations, nothing official yet for NBA Live. I'm not saying it is canceled, it just brings up a lot of red flags. You usually don't see sports games updating rosters this late. I don't think it would be a good idea to cancel this year. It would be a bad look to cancel a game 2 out of 4 year span. Only way I can think they could do that is if they say they are fully committing to next gen consoles next year. Where they don't release this year and don't release a current gen next year. Where they put their primary focus on next gen, while just updating Live 19 in the time being

    This would be a colossal mistake. If you go on Reddit it’s easy to see that Live has made some serious headway with 19. Obviously they still have a long way to go but not putting out a game at this point would be massive steps back. EA has to know this and I can’t see it happening.
    Live finally has a good base game to work from so i don’t believe EA would be dumb enough to try and reinvent the wheel with gameplay now.
    I could definitely see the licensing dollars being an issue but I read that it would probably be significantly less than what 2k paid because EA has a lot less NBA properties under their umbrella. Maybe they are negotiating a deal right now and that’s why EA hasn’t said anything yet? Honestly licensing issues is the only thing that makes much sense to me at this point.
    The free 2 play theory is something I’ve been thinking Live could do for a few years. It’s only a matter of time till that’s the standard for console games in my opinion but it doesn’t really explain why EA is being tight lipped.
    Again the licensing issue makes the most sense as it’s possible that EA doesn’t even know if they can release a game at this point so that’s why they aren’t saying anything. I’ve thought for awhile that EA was just waiting to announce the game, everyday that passes it seems more likely something is wrong. If they know a game is coming out for sure why wouldn’t they at least say a games coming official announcement at a future time. If the series is getting turfed I could see them waiting till after Madden to announce so they can at least take some victory laps first with that release.
    CujoMatty
    This would be a colossal mistake. If you go on Reddit it’s easy to see that Live has made some serious headway with 19. Obviously they still have a long way to go but not putting out a game at this point would be massive steps back. EA has to know this and I can’t see it happening.
    Live finally has a good base game to work from so i don’t believe EA would be dumb enough to try and reinvent the wheel with gameplay now.
    I could definitely see the licensing dollars being an issue but I read that it would probably be significantly less than what 2k paid because EA has a lot less NBA properties under their umbrella. Maybe they are negotiating a deal right now and that’s why EA hasn’t said anything yet? Honestly licensing issues is the only thing that makes much sense to me at this point.
    The free 2 play theory is something I’ve been thinking Live could do for a few years. It’s only a matter of time till that’s the standard for console games in my opinion but it doesn’t really explain why EA is being tight lipped.
    Again the licensing issue makes the most sense as it’s possible that EA doesn’t even know if they can release a game at this point so that’s why they aren’t saying anything. I’ve thought for awhile that EA was just waiting to announce the game, everyday that passes it seems more likely something is wrong. If they know a game is coming out for sure why wouldn’t they at least say a games coming official announcement at a future time. If the series is getting turfed I could see them waiting till after Madden to announce so they can at least take some victory laps first with that release.

    I liked Live 19. Honestly I would prefer The One over MyCareer if it wasn't for The League section. I like that my player starts at a higher more competitive Overall than MyCareer. That it is more realistic where physical ratings are essentially maxed at the beginning and based on the icon path you choose, you can earn up to
    A few more upgrades. Microtransactions aren't shoved down your throats. You have to earn your way uo, but it isn't like it takes that long. My issue was that I just couldn't get into the League section at all. I do like the one on one gameplay. I feel like I can be a lockdown defender or beat a defender.
    But Live does have to figure out what they are going to do. They can't keep coming out at basically a discount discount and selling it at $15 at and after Black Friday. I'm not sold on the F2P model especially when it comes to sports games. I rather get a game that is close to 100% complete. Where patches are just game fixes. I get the Live Service model is where games are eventually headed. But I don't want to wait for a key feature is added.
    I do think Licensing will be an eventual issue. I just don't see NBA having Live on a significantly cheaper deal than 2k .
    My prediction ......
    Digital release only (not really a Live 20 but an updated Live 19.5) for a budget price like $19.99).
    Pretty much same game as last year in terms of NBA vs the one mode.
    Some updated animations, added rookies, some new player scans, updated jerseys/court art etc.
    Again......MY PREDICTION......don’t flame me....lol
    Mintsa
    My prediction ......
    Digital release only (not really a Live 20 but an updated Live 19.5) for a budget price like $19.99).
    Pretty much same game as last year in terms of NBA vs the one mode.
    Some updated animations, added rookies, some new player scans, updated jerseys/court art etc.
    Again......MY PREDICTION......don’t flame me....lol
    I think it is a valid prediction.
    If they would only give me two more things to this game I would probably jump ship completely to it from 2k. A little bit more franchise stuff and teams that play more like real life.
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    Maybe I'm remembering wrong or imagined this, but didn't the EA team behind Live say they needed to be better about talking about the game before release?
    But this is following the same pattern of the past two versions. No information. No news. No confirmation of release. Just letting 2K steal all of the thunder. Suddenly, they'll say something about a demo, and in a week release the game and wonder why sales are down.
    I don't know what else to say about this anymore. I feel sorry for the development team because their publisher is killing them.
    Mintsa
    My prediction ......
    Digital release only (not really a Live 20 but an updated Live 19.5) for a budget price like $19.99).
    Pretty much same game as last year in terms of NBA vs the one mode.
    Some updated animations, added rookies, some new player scans, updated jerseys/court art etc.
    Again......MY PREDICTION......don’t flame me....lol

    This situation has a real mlb2k13 feel. 2k didn’t say a word about it and one day it just showed up for sale shocking everyone. It was mlb2k12 with updated rosters and very minimal changes. It was basically one last ditch money grab before they let the MLB license go. Eerily similar circumstances.
    Mintsa
    My prediction ......
    Digital release only (not really a Live 20 but an updated Live 19.5) for a budget price like $19.99).
    Pretty much same game as last year in terms of NBA vs the one mode.
    Some updated animations, added rookies, some new player scans, updated jerseys/court art etc.
    Again......MY PREDICTION......don’t flame me....lol

    My psn runs out tomorrow and I'm not gonna renew until some of my people get back. I retire from 19 (maybe) after dominating the last two months. I ain't mad.
    I'd not be upset with a small improvement but there absolutely needs to be ranked team play to add something to give incentive to people to group and play, so we can see more good teams. Its wack to have to make fake leagues or arrange matches.
    Not sure what's going on, but I got time to wait n see what happens. I wanna play a really competitive, grind free game where I can make a bunch of players so...
    -Smak
    Well we have not heard anything about them renewing a the license so this could spell the end of Live. I really believe they fully intended on continuing with the series but with the astronomical licensing fee the higher ups might be deciding last second that it is just to expensive and trying to figure out what they can do with their assets. With the amount of nba live copies they have sold over the last seven years they would not even be able to break even on the fees let alone the actual cost of producing the game. Even though they have a good base game to build on it is still a serious risk whether or not the series can ever be profitable in the next decade. EA has the cash to take the loss just to maintain a presence in a huge market, but modern CEOs tend to look very short term in terms of instant gratification for stock holders as their pay scale is directly tied to it.
    If they do move on from NBA, the one mode has been great the last couple years with some serious potential. They really should package that into a fleshed out Pro-Am basketball sim with a continued streetball 3 0n 3 mode. A stand a lone game with all their focus on that mode could be very good and may sell if marketed well and profitability would be much easier without the Licensing fees.
    Forget the nba that’s a losing battle. Get ncaa. Express to the NCAA it’s all generic players. It’s air tight legal wise. Because losing 12 to 1 ain’t cutting it. Just give up on the nba
    Quentin32
    Forget the nba that’s a losing battle. Get ncaa. Express to the NCAA it’s all generic players. It’s air tight legal wise. Because losing 12 to 1 ain’t cutting it. Just give up on the nba

    Never gonna happen but in dreamland I'd love it. Classic players as the archetypes. All schools. Deep recruiting..etc etc.
    I don't personally think ea has to pony up 1 bill for what they have. But even if they lose the license, which would be sad, they could still make a bball game. I'm still thinking live will come out but w everyone pointing to signs who knows.
    Classic phrase : we'll see.
    -Smak
    CujoMatty
    This situation has a real mlb2k13 feel. 2k didn’t say a word about it and one day it just showed up for sale shocking everyone. It was mlb2k12 with updated rosters and very minimal changes. It was basically one last ditch money grab before they let the MLB license go. Eerily similar circumstances.

    Yup......I think Live 20 is the last dance. Unless you show me re-up for the nba license......this is probably it.
    This is frustrating if they dont make 20 or something. I love the crowed audio in live and I think Live has better graphics then 2k now and from playing the demons of 18 and 19 games seems to play a solid game. But I never got the games because of the lack of a solid franchise mode. If live could just give us a franchise mode that like works I would be all on getting live but live franchise mode is basically broken. I dont need a deep franchise mode even though that is nice. Just give us a franchise mode that has solid sim stats, fa, trades etc. Also having more then 1 nba game option is always good.
    I think they are going for a revolutionary model which i deep down suspected - Sell the NBa Live 20 as DLC for 20 $ or something, improve the current game via updates, make small changes to gameplay, improve it, update the rosters. So the base game will be NBA live 19 but with updates it will be Nba Live 20. So you won't spend 60 $ on a new game. The way they updated the game gameplay wise last few months and how late they are for announcing the new game i suspected a development like that might occur. Watch out fellas, it's coming
    lareka
    I think they are going for a revolutionary model which i deep down suspected - Sell the NBa Live 20 as DLC for 20 $ or something, improve the current game via updates, make small changes to gameplay, improve it, update the rosters. So the base game will be NBA live 19 but with updates it will be Nba Live 20. So you won't spend 60 $ on a new game. The way they updated the game gameplay wise last few months and how late they are for announcing the new game i suspected a development like that might occur. Watch out fellas, it's coming

    Look back one page....I said the exact same thing. I agree with you.
    Physica copyis done, digital only, and just an updated “Live 19.5” type of update.......
    I agree. It’s coming guys.....
    The 24th Letter
    Luka, the supposed cover boy asking for his 2K rating on Twitter....just seems like another one of those signs
    Hopefully this is all just speculation but I guess we'll see.

    Even Joel didn't go out way to find out his rating. I think they dropped a pic and rating on their own.
    I went to update my GameFly Queue and nothing yet for Live. I just don't think Cancelling will be a good idea for Franchise. Even if it delayed, just let the consumers know. Hopefully if they delay it is because they are adding in new engine. But I don't see it happening this late in generation.
    I can see them wanting to keep things close to chest and to speak on their own time. But at their current state, I don't think they have that luxury of taking things slowly and quietly. Unless they have something big in store, it doesn't help them.
    The 24th Letter
    Luka, the supposed cover boy asking for his 2K rating on Twitter....just seems like another one of those signs
    Hopefully this is all just speculation but I guess we'll see.

    Or. The laughing emoji is because he is on Live. You can look at the glass either way.
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    TecmoZack
    Or. The laughing emoji is because he is on Live. You can look at the glass either way.
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    It's all speculation either way but your coverboy asking for his rating in the competitions game just aint good for optics...
    The 24th Letter
    It's all speculation either way but toyr coverboy asking for his rating in the competitions game just aint good for optics...

    How so? He jokingly had the laughing emoji. Like can I have my rating???? Hahahah. JK.
    I mean seriously man. Good for optics? I saw no problem with it. Oh yeah...no pic of him from 2k.
    You see the Live 20 soundtrack was finished today? Or is that not evidence enough the game is happening.
    Here you go.

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    TecmoZack
    How so? He jokingly had the laughing emoji. Like can I have my rating???? Hahahah. JK.
    I mean seriously man. Good for optics? I saw no problem with it. Oh yeah...no pic of him from 2k.
    You see the Live 20 soundtrack was finished today? Or is that not evidence enough the game is happening.
    Here you go.

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    I'm not trying to get into an in depth emoji/Twitter analysis, but he did put the raise hand emoji right before it, and then 'Liked' the response tweet....I mean, dude is obviously looking for his rating, lol
    but yeah, I saw the soundtrack news in early July when it was first posted...Elite 11's soundtrack was done as well.
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2010/09/20/nba-elite-11-soundtrack-created-by-9th-wonder-and-j-cole
    I would love to see a Live 20...I'm just posting what little signs we have...they can easily hush all the speculation and you know, drop some news on the game coming out in a month and some change...
    The 24th Letter
    I'm not trying to get into an in depth emoji/Twitter analysis, but he did put the raise hand emoji right before it, and then 'Liked' the response tweet....I mean, dude is obviously looking for his rating, lol
    but yeah, I saw the soundtrack news in early July when it was first posted...Elite 11's soundtrack was done as well.
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2010/09/20/nba-elite-11-soundtrack-created-by-9th-wonder-and-j-cole
    I would love to see a Live 20...I'm just posting what little signs we have...they can easily hush all the speculation and you know, drop some news on the game coming out in a month and some change...

    There should be a legitimate reason for them to wait so long. I don't think it's "wanted" "desired" by them. This long-wait up doesn't look natural / normal. There most be some problems. I can't think of it as marketing. It's almost August. They should have announced the game 3 weeks ago and demo was supposed to come in 2 weeks. But nothing so far. As much as i would have loved the idea of having the new game as DLC for 29.99 $ on base game i think it will hurt them competitively and worsen their sales
    Sorry guys but they are getting ready to cancel Nba live 20. They just updated rosters for 19 which means there is no new game. Also, it is getting ready to be the first week of August and there is no announcement
    This certainly doesn't look good for Live 20. There are too many signs pointing to them not doing a full release or at least delaying it. I played 2k a couple months ago for the first time since 2k16 and I just can't get into it. I use to play it all the time from 2k3 all the way to 16 but something about it just doesn't click with me.
    As frustrating as Live can be sometimes, I enjoy it more than 2k. It would stink to not have anymore competition. Here's hoping EA does have something relatively new for us coming later this year or early next year.
    ybtherockstar
    This certainly doesn't look good for Live 20. There are too many signs pointing to them not doing a full release or at least delaying it. I played 2k a couple months ago for the first time since 2k16 and I just can't get into it. I use to play it all the time from 2k3 all the way to 16 but something about it just doesn't click with me.
    As frustrating as Live can be sometimes, I enjoy it more than 2k. It would stink to not have anymore competition. Here's hoping EA does have something relatively new for us coming later this year or early next year.

    Nba live is a decent game now but it’s still not selling. Just like all my friends, they focus all there time on 2k my career. No company can afford to lose that much money every year
    i'm a 2k player, had fun with 19 and found it a good foundation to build on for the next iteration. Was really interested and now this happens, i think it might be delayed. Although i've been calling gamestop, best buy etc. for info on preorder for live and they have no information. That's weird because in retail they would have to know in advance to set up for shelf space and if they need to put up any displays and stuff of that nature but even they don't know. It may be a digital release maybe?
    lareka
    This leads to a question that actually has to be asked:
    Is October not a better date to actually release a basketball game ?

    I actually still prefer the early October release. While it is good to have the game early as possible and have the game serve as a warm up to season, I prefer the
    sports games to come out within the few weeks of season starts. That way it feels like rosters are closer to real life. I usually don't start playing until the season is already underway. I want to have the game feel as fresh as it can be once the season starts.
    It does make me think about next year with next gen. How does Live(and others) approach development with next gen around the horizon. With the next slated to be released most likely next late November, it will affect how they approach next year. If the game comes out in early Sept, then there will still be two and a half months until next gen. With that much time, I feel you still should have to put a focus on the current gen game along with working towards the next gen.
    At this point any kind of delay or cancellation will eliminate them even more. Due to the lack of effort they've already missed seasons with 11, 12, 13, and 14 was mediocre.They've proven the series is not worth anything to them other than a cash grab. This franchise doesn't get the same support as the rest of the other in house sports titles. Imo this franchise would be further along if they just kept building on what they had with 14 or 15. Instead of making 18 the new foundation.
    illwill10
    I actually still prefer the early October release. While it is good to have the game early as possible and have the game serve as a warm up to season, I prefer the
    sports games to come out within the few weeks of season starts. That way it feels like rosters are closer to real life. I usually don't start playing until the season is already underway. I want to have the game feel as fresh as it can be once the season starts.
    It does make me think about next year with next gen. How does Live(and others) approach development with next gen around the horizon. With the next slated to be released most likely next late November, it will affect how they approach next year. If the game comes out in early Sept, then there will still be two and a half months until next gen. With that much time, I feel you still should have to put a focus on the current gen game along with working towards the next gen.

    "I usually don't start playing until the season is already underway." me too
    MDSavageBeast
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the last upcoming year for this generation of consoles?

    For sports games in general? No, not even close, probably 2 to 3 more years.
    For this franchise? Possible since it's on shaky ground.
    ODogg
    For sports games in general? No, not even close, probably 2 to 3 more years.
    For this franchise? Possible since it's on shaky ground.

    And if history has proven anything, the first couple years on a new platform aren’t great.
    CujoMatty
    And if history has proven anything, the first couple years on a new platform aren’t great.

    Amen to that, one reason I'm not super eager to go to the next generation tbh
    Consoles still want to use out of current gen for at least a few more years even though devs don't put as much emphasis on last gen sports games. But first few years are just a graphical upgrade, new engine, and stripped down modes. I'm hoping that the consoles having pretty much same architecture that they don't have to strip down the modes as much.
    But I don't really plan on buying next gen console at release. I usually wait a year so there are a larger collection of games. Literally have to be blown away by launch games to consider buying within first year
    illwill10
    Consoles still want to use out of current gen for at least a few more years even though devs don't put as much emphasis on last gen sports games. But first few years are just a graphical upgrade, new engine, and stripped down modes. I'm hoping that the consoles having pretty much same architecture that they don't have to strip down the modes as much.
    But I don't really plan on buying next gen console at release. I usually wait a year so there are a larger collection of games. Literally have to be blown away by launch games to consider buying within first year

    Day one for me. I'm 49 years old and Christmas only comes on console launch day every 7 or 8 years..
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    ODogg
    Day one for me. I'm 49 years old and Christmas only comes on console launch day every 7 or 8 years..
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    I most likely won't have the time. My daughter will be 1 and a half then and probably won't have time to play as she doesn't give me any time now.
    But I'm leaving door open. If I'm blown away, I will buy it day one.
    I feel like some dudes want Live to be cancelled. haha. Weird.
    I admit there are signs (esp depending on how you want to interpret them), but I just can't see why they wouldn't release something. The only way they wouldn't is like if they hadn't been working on 20 this whole time, if somehow they became unable to (which doesn't seem likely), or if something drastically changed.
    If they have been planning to not release 20 for a long time, they did a good job hiding it.
    I do think it's weird how the NBA games started getting earlier and earlier. I dunno what the ideal date is, but ideally something that doesn't start out buggy.
    -Smak
    ILLSmak
    I feel like some dudes want Live to be cancelled. haha. Weird.

    2K is absolutely one of my favorite games and I don't want Live canceled! nor should anyone..
    ODogg
    2K is absolutely one of my favorite games and I don't want Live canceled! nor should anyone..

    I agree. haha cept w/ the 2k part. 2k is a great franchise, but I dislike their current direction. But yea a better Live makes 2k better. Prol wouldn't have WNBA in 2k if not for Live. Someone had to do it eventually, tho, but maybe not as soon.
    I would feel a bit upset though, since I bought 18 and 19 at launch, if they pulled the chair on 20. I would not be upset with a cheapie version that updated the game, added archetypes, and added a more structured version of team play. I mean, at least do that. I'd play 19 for another year, though... it would be kind of salty is all. I played Live 10 for like 3 years when I wasn't feeling 2k 5v5. It stayed pretty active.
    -Smak
    2k is the main game I buy yearly. But I definitely don't want Live to be cancelled either.
    One, I believe competition is best for any game. Look at the games without competition. Madden and MLB the Show doesn't have competition. They aren't really pushed to be innovative. Some can say what they want about Live, but I don't think 2k wouldn't have added WNBA if Live didn't.
    I believe that Live puts a major focus on next gen that they can close the gap.
    ILLSmak
    I feel like some dudes want Live to be cancelled. haha. Weird.

    I definitely do no want them to cancel. I bought Live and not 2K this year. The Live series was my game growing up, 95-97 specifically. It just feels like that's what's happening.
    sorta OT, but as someone that grew up in the 90's-00's the dwindling variety of sports games to choose from bums me out. there was a time when MLB, NBA, and NFL had at least a few titles available yearly... now it seems all 3 leagues are down to either 1 or 2 at the most. i find it especially bad in the NBA's case as it's more popular than ever nowadays.
    ZoneSix
    sorta OT, but as someone that grew up in the 90's-00's the dwindling variety of sports games to choose from bums me out. there was a time when MLB, NBA, and NFL had at least a few titles available yearly... now it seems all 3 leagues are down to either 1 or 2 at the most. i find it especially bad in the NBA's case as it's more popular than ever nowadays.

    It shows to because NHL and madden are also worse then they used to be and in some ways madden during ps2 still does some things better then madden now and mlb has not done much this gen.
    I think it's "disrespectful" by EA Sports to their fans to not announce anything about their game. Yes, it's DIS-RESPECTFUL. They have to say something.. They have to be honest about the cancellation of delaying of the game. I studied management and marketing, this is a very bad strategy in terms of communicating with their fan base. You gotta inform them. That's marketing 101. Saying nothing is beyond stupid, it's 2019. You can communicate with your fan base via any channel. It's very easy. Do it EA
    Smallville102001
    It shows to because NHL and madden are also worse then they used to be and in some ways madden during ps2 still does some things better then madden now and mlb has not done much this gen.

    Nhl and Madden are both much better than they've ever been. I do agree it's better to have more titles and more competition but let's not get carried away here.
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    ODogg
    Nhl and Madden are both much better than they've ever been. I do agree it's better to have more titles and more competition but let's not get carried away here.
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    I disagree Madden franchise mode on ps2 was a lot better and things like clock management wasnt a issue back during ps2 either.
    Smallville102001
    I disagree Madden franchise mode on ps2 was a lot better and things like clock management wasnt a issue back during ps2 either.

    I would argue Live has better gameplay, environment, and plays truer to the sport than Madden.
    openureyez
    I would argue Live has better gameplay, environment, and plays truer to the sport than Madden.

    Well you're entitled to your opinion even if it's completely wrong lol
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    Lol. PS2 madden. Graphics were worse, animations were worse, your memories might be better, and it might have been better when compared to games in that time period, but it's definitely not better.
    NHL and madden have improved drastically.
    But all of that is a bit off topic. Either way, we're almost in August without a peep from the Live team. So we are pretty much doomed.
    While I'm not ready to hop on the cancel wagon, I do feel like Live is headed towards a lose-lose situation. If they cancel, it'll be the 2nd time in 4 years. Which wouldn't look good for Franchise especially with next generation around the horizon. EA has been patient with Live this past decade, but don't know how long that patient will last. If they do release, they might not have any momentum. Even though 2k releases important info within 5-6 weeks before launch, the 2k hype train doesn't stop before launch after they drop the info. Especially since they are slated to drop info starting this coming week. Unless Live would have something HUGE in the works, they can't go head to head with the 2k hype train. So it would be another year of poor sales.
    illwill10
    While I'm not ready to hop on the cancel wagon, I do feel like Live is headed towards a lose-lose situation. If they cancel, it'll be the 2nd time in 4 years. Which wouldn't look good for Franchise especially with next generation around the horizon. EA has been patient with Live this past decade, but don't know how long that patient will last. If they do release, they might not have any momentum. Even though 2k releases important info within 5-6 weeks before launch, the 2k hype train doesn't stop before launch after they drop the info. Especially since they are slated to drop info starting this coming week. Unless Live would have something HUGE in the works, they can't go head to head with the 2k hype train. So it would be another year of poor sales.

    I’ve been around gaming for over 35 years and the reality is people aren’t that loyal. if EAs next release is NBA Live 25 and it’s the best basketball game ever people will play it. No one will care the game was cancelled the 4 years before it so I don’t think it matters.
    NBA Live has hit rock bottom there’s absolutely no doubt about it. Probably moreso than any other game franchise I can think of. Strides have been made for sure. There’s a handful of people, me included that really like Live and actually even prefer it to 2k and yes that number is growing but it’s still no where near enough customers yet to make a dent in 2ks sales.
    This is all going to come down to financial responsibility vs the desire to be in the NBA business. I read an article a few years ago that a higher up at EA said that they(EA) will always make an NBA game as an iconic brand like EA Sports has to represent an NBA product. How much of that statement might change knowing what we know of the price of the 2k licensing deal or how much of that is just bravado I don’t know.
    It’s super expensive to be in the Sports game market. You really have to put out a game every year to make the license worth while and if you basically have no sales it’s gotta to be very tempting to fold up your tent and get the hell outta there.
    What I foresee is a change in their model. They make a ton of money off the mobile game and they have hinted in the past that they might just stick to that platform. Fortnite has proven that there is a lot of money to be made on consoles with games free to play. 99% of the devs time on 19 was spent on the online portion of Live which is exactly what free to play games would need to focus on.
    What’s the biggest knock on 2k? The number one complaint is the micro transactions and grind. Even guys that love 2k will tell you they hate that part of their favourite game. Honestly if 2k was free to play 3 quarters of those people wouldn’t complain but 2k has zero incentive to do free to play. They make a bajillion on sales then a kabazillion on micro transactions and people complain but don’t stop buying it.
    Now if we think that Live isn’t riddled with micro transactions because they are nice guys than we would be idiots. There’s no micro transactions because not enough people play the game. Free to play only works if enough people play it and with the juggernaut that is NBA 2k the only way that will ever get enough people to play is making it free. They probably sold 2500 Live 18 and maybe 5000 copies of Live 19, 4700 of those were for $20 or less. And that’s with 19 being a pretty good game lol. The growth isn’t there and with a billion dollar license it’s gotta change. It’s time for a Hail Mary. There is way more money in it for them at this point to make the game free and throw in loot boxes or other micro transactions and honestly people wouldn’t complain. We are all programmed to believe we are playing a “free” game when in fact we will most likely spend more in the long run than if we bought the game outright at the beginning.
    I also think a lot of people are pleasantly surprised with how fun Live is when they try it but the reality is, even at $5, most people won’t. The biggest hurdle live has, other than actually making a good game, is to get it in the hands of consumers. No better way than free to play.
    ODogg
    Well you're entitled to your opinion even if it's completely wrong lol
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    Nice but I meant that ****. Then again I don’t like the player movement on 2k at all. I stopped with that after 17. The more options the better I say.
    Na live hit rock bottom and 2k has an unprecedented stranglehold. Their game is actually doing OK imo. It was rock bottom in 11, but I dono if i can be mad. They wanted to swing for the fences, they failed, and 2k punished them hard.
    If live really only sold 5k copies then Yea that sux, but I doubt it haha. Still they probably never will get the market share back from 2k until people finally swear off 2k cuz of their crazy exploitation. That's why they need to be here now. If they fall off again they might as well stop making nba games.
    Edit and yea im not loyal. I want a good game. If everyone was bout that life we could get whatever we wanted, but people are too weak willed to skip a year or two. They are addicted. There are enough good video games from the past to play. I just want something to play v people online.
    -Smak
    Could EA be looking at testing a live subscription service through this Update? Back in 2017, Andrew Wilson said Madden and FIFA could be moved to subscription based service 365 days a year. Could they be testing this with the NBA Live series to see if it is profitable?
    openureyez
    I would argue Live has better gameplay, environment, and plays truer to the sport than Madden.

    May be ever year madden has something that is just like a true game killer in the game. I have not played a lot of nba live really only the demo of 18 and 19 just started trying ea access on ps4 and I played a game and not really sure what to think but based of the demo I like what I saw. Also I had heard a lot of bad things about lives franchise mode and I did a sim and sim stats are pretty good only thing really off was 3 pointers per game attempts and FTA. Ever thing else was pretty good when it comes to stats. I dont known about trades and FA etc but the sim stats in madden 20 ea access are really bad.
    zrohman
    Lol. PS2 madden. Graphics were worse, animations were worse, your memories might be better, and it might have been better when compared to games in that time period, but it's definitely not better.
    NHL and madden have improved drastically.
    But all of that is a bit off topic. Either way, we're almost in August without a peep from the Live team. So we are pretty much doomed.

    Graphics of course but in some ways the animations were better. I would say you can make the case that madden was better back then. Post ps2 out side of madden 16 I have found eatch madden I have played and that is most of them has had at least 1 major issue that I would considered a game killer. I never felt like madden on ps2 had a game killer issue. NHL maybe I would say NHL may be worse then ps3 but better then ps2.
    lareka
    I think it's "disrespectful" by EA Sports to their fans to not announce anything about their game. Yes, it's DIS-RESPECTFUL. They have to say something.. They have to be honest about the cancellation of delaying of the game. I studied management and marketing, this is a very bad strategy in terms of communicating with their fan base. You gotta inform them. That's marketing 101. Saying nothing is beyond stupid, it's 2019. You can communicate with your fan base via any channel. It's very easy. Do it EA

    I think this kind of thinking is “entitlement” by gamers.
    I don’t care for 2K, and I loved the **** out of Live 19, but, I don’t get why I derserve to know all the details of what they are doing or thinking. For one, the decision may not have been made yet. Or, the decision has been made, but there are several contractual obligations that might need to be sorted out before they can announce anything.
    But, sure, get all worked up over something you can’t control and doesn’t actually affect your life. I’m sure it will help.
    I dont know how much 19 sold i dont think it was truly only 5000 copies that seem to low to believe but yeah 2k is way more popular sales show and when you look at the forums on here it shows to. Nba live a lot of times right now will have like 10 people viewing its forum were 2k will have like 250. That is pretty telling. Live dosnt have to sale what 2k sales to be a success. Look at consoles sales ps4 has and is way out sold xbox one but xbox one sales are not bad. 2k sales i think have been like 10-11 million the last few years and live lower then a million. If live were to sale like 3 million and 2k were to drop to 8 i dont think people would say live is not a success.
    Mintsa
    I actually think Live 19 online head to head is pretty good.
    Sometimes less is more......
    I agree..H2H was solid this year once they cleaned up the disconnects. The server issues (Which is crazy because Live Run is mostly smooth) was my only real issue with it. It was just a fair game on 1v1.
    As far as basketball online, I played more Live Run and OH2H than anything.
    Smallville102001
    I dont know how much 19 sold i dont think it was truly only 5000 copies that seem to low to believe but yeah 2k is way more popular sales show and when you look at the forums on here it shows to. Nba live a lot of times right now will have like 10 people viewing its forum were 2k will have like 250. That is pretty telling. Live dosnt have to sale what 2k sales to be a success. Look at consoles sales ps4 has and is way out sold xbox one but xbox one sales are not bad. 2k sales i think have been like 10-11 million the last few years and live lower then a million. If live were to sale like 3 million and 2k were to drop to 8 i dont think people would say live is not a success.
    Live 14 -18 didn't even crack 1M....combined. 2K does that in the first week. If Live could sell 500K that would be a huge step in the right direction. I just don't see that happening.
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    JayhawkerStL
    I think this kind of thinking is “entitlement” by gamers.
    I don’t care for 2K, and I loved the **** out of Live 19, but, I don’t get why I derserve to know all the details of what they are doing or thinking. For one, the decision may not have been made yet. Or, the decision has been made, but there are several contractual obligations that might need to be sorted out before they can announce anything.
    But, sure, get all worked up over something you can’t control and doesn’t actually affect your life. I’m sure it will help.

    What do you know about the marketing?
    "I don’t get why I derserve to know all the details"
    It's 2019 and as a consumer you deserve to know at least if the game is coming out or not. Know your rights, lol
    sarlndr
    Live 14 -18 didn't even crack 1M....combined. 2K does that in the first week. If Live could sell 500K that would be a huge step in the right direction. I just don't see that happening.
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    Yeah that would be a big step in the right direction. I have been playing some of live 19 the last few days with ea access on ps4 before I had only played the demo and in like 4-5 games I have played I am seeing some things I like and things that you just dont see in 2k. I am seeing foul shoots on jump shoots including 3 pointers that never happends in 2k. I am seeing some charges also something that dont really happen in 2k. I had a play where I was driving towards the basket and the defender came over and I tried to make a pass and got called for a charged has I made the pass. I have never in any 2k game seen that type of play happen. Yes live does still have some work to get done but it really is crazy just how much better live 18 and 19 are compared to like 15-17.
    Comparing Madden to The Show and NBA games is apples and oranges, at least when it comes to resources when speaking about graphical fidelity of things like sidelines.
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    Just as an Fyi, Equipment Guru was chatting in Mills’ stream a couple of nights ago and he stated that the EA team is ‘hard at work’ on Live. That’s all he said but it was good to hear.
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    JoshC1977
    Just as an Fyi, Equipment Guru was chatting in Mills’ stream a couple of nights ago and he stated that the EA team is ‘hard at work’ on Live. That’s all he said but it was good to hear.
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    Hopefully that means we will start getting some news in a few days or so.
    Smallville102001
    Hopefully that means we will start getting some news in a few days or so.

    The easportsinsider IG accounts also posted an NBA Live 20 logo last night but quickly deleted it. Someone on the r/nbalive Reddit got a screenshot of the post though and put it up over there.
    I saw that picture on Reddit. I hope they have something huge in store. Because waiting this late before they release anything, isn't the best idea for a game who hasn't been selling many games. I get they might want to have more momentum heading into launch. But they are going up against the 2k Hype train now. So unless they have something huge to drop consistently, they really won't have any momentum
    I remember last year live had some info/demo in August but then a whole bunch of nothing until the game came out. Maybe this year EA is waiting to give info/demo until right before release to keep it fresh in everyones mind ?
    Who knows.......
    Mintsa
    I remember last year live had some info/demo in August but then a whole bunch of nothing until the game came out. Maybe this year EA is waiting to give info/demo until right before release to keep it fresh in everyones mind ?
    Who knows.......

    Some game companies do that but they tell you the game is coming with specific date... But at this point it's not about info/demo, if that was the case , if we knew game was coming but we knew nothing about the new features of the game i'd be cool but we don'T even know if game is coming. That's unaccaptable
    lareka
    I think they are going for a revolutionary model which i deep down suspected - Sell the NBa Live 20 as DLC for 20 $ or something, improve the current game via updates, make small changes to gameplay, improve it, update the rosters. So the base game will be NBA live 19 but with updates it will be Nba Live 20. So you won't spend 60 $ on a new game. The way they updated the game gameplay wise last few months and how late they are for announcing the new game i suspected a development like that might occur. Watch out fellas, it's coming

    Funny, I came up here to say this. I definitely think 19 is now the foundation they will continue to stack on since the sales severely pale in comparison to NBA2K.
    To me, this would be the prudent measure or we're in for another delay then cancellation altogether then we'll here how they're focusing on next gen consoles with Live 21.
    ODogg
    Well we everyone was worried for nothing
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    I wouldn’t say that yet. NBA Live 17 was delayed and we all know how that turned out lol
    CujoMatty
    I wouldn’t say that yet. NBA Live 17 was delayed and we all know how that turned out lol
    That's been in the back in my mind since the announcement. I would not be surprised if it played out that way again.
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    People have been saying sports games will go to the yearly DLC/subscription model forever. Wake me up when it finally happens. They've been saying that for about as long as people been saying Game Stop is going to disappear soon, and cloud gaming is taking over. Again, wake me up when it happens.
    dubcity
    People have been saying sports games will go to the yearly DLC/subscription model forever. Wake me up when it finally happens. They've been saying that for about as long as people been saying Game Stop is going to disappear soon, and cloud gaming is taking over. Again, wake me up when it happens.

    Dont forget consoles are dead one to lol.
    lareka
    What do you know about the marketing?
    "I don’t get why I derserve to know all the details"
    It's 2019 and as a consumer you deserve to know at least if the game is coming out or not. Know your rights, lol

    And this "law" or "agreement" is written somewhere?
    lareka
    What do you know about the marketing?
    "I don’t get why I derserve to know all the details"
    It's 2019 and as a consumer you deserve to know at least if the game is coming out or not. Know your rights, lol

    As said above, there's nothing at all that gives consumers a right to know when, or if, a company is producing a product.
    See Star Citizen in the PC world for proof of that lol
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    ODogg
    As said above, there's nothing at all that gives consumers a right to know when, or if, a company is producing a product.
    See Star Citizen in the PC world for proof of that lol
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    Well if you are an established global brand who releases game with a big brand value like NBA and having a sales of close to a million or maybe even more and having the equal number of fans you "owe" the explanation to your "customer base" who purchase or your game year in and year out. Marketing 101.
    If you don't do that, you disappoint some of your customer base and you start to lose client which is a NO NO. Only amateurs do that
    Sorry that you are uneducated about that
    ksuttonjr76
    And this "law" or "agreement" is written somewhere?

    It's called doing the job right. It's what seperates AMAZON from another low-level Amazon-like retail seller or any other global brand from a small shop.
    It doesn't need to be a law, it's what they teach you in management & marketing classes, it's what the business world talk about 7/24. There are educated CEO's on these global brands, not a common folk....
    It's just that 70 % of the gaming community are asocials who are scared of human interaction and don't have ability to critical think , accept what gaming companies throw at them = DLC, putting up incomplete games. Gaming community doesn't know what their "right" is and don't care as they are mostly asocial anyway.
    lareka
    Well if you are an established global brand who releases game with a big brand value like NBA and having a sales of close to a million or maybe even more and having the equal number of fans you "owe" the explanation to your "customer base" who purchase or your game year in and year out. Marketing 101.
    If you don't do that, you disappoint some of your customer base and you start to lose client which is a NO NO. Only amateurs do that
    Sorry that you are uneducated about that

    What you just said is completely different from what I was commenting on.
    Yes they should let their customer base know, I agree with what you said above, but I was commenting on the fact that someone thought there was some "right" for the customer to know. There isn't.
    Two very different things there.
    I think this is one problem just in general with society is people don't understand the difference in an actual "right" aka something legal versus what is simply the right thing to do.
    EA informing all of us is the right thing to do but we have no consumer "right" to know....
    lareka
    It's called doing the job right. It's what seperates AMAZON from another low-level Amazon-like retail seller or any other global brand from a small shop.
    It doesn't need to be a law, it's what they teach you in management & marketing classes, it's what the business world talk about 7/24. There are educated CEO's on these global brands, not a common folk....
    It's just that 70 % of the gaming community are asocials who are scared of human interaction and don't have ability to critical think , accept what gaming companies throw at them = DLC, putting up incomplete games. Gaming community doesn't know what their "right" is and don't care as they are mostly asocial anyway.

    The community knows they have no right to knowledge of a company's future product, a date of release or even if they have one in development. It likely benefits the company if they do provide that but there's no "right" anywhere stating they have to provide any of that information.
    And again, as stated, if you think there is some legal right to that then provide PROOF. You can't because there isn't any; it's just what you think is right.
    It's sad to me you can't understand the difference in those two things.
    lareka
    It's called doing the job right. It's what seperates AMAZON from another low-level Amazon-like retail seller or any other global brand from a small shop.
    It doesn't need to be a law, it's what they teach you in management & marketing classes, it's what the business world talk about 7/24. There are educated CEO's on these global brands, not a common folk....
    It's just that 70 % of the gaming community are asocials who are scared of human interaction and don't have ability to critical think , accept what gaming companies throw at them = DLC, putting up incomplete games. Gaming community doesn't know what their "right" is and don't care as they are mostly asocial anyway.

    I was going to address this silly comment, since I do have a degree in Business Management...however, someone already explained the difference between "right" (where you can actually take legal action against said company) versus what is the PERCEIVED right thing to do. You have a perception of what EA should do based on nothing (aka data). Also, there's a difference between marketing (an attempt to persuade consumers to buy the game) versus communication (company goals, announcements, etc). However, you're supposedly educated in that, so we can presume that you already knew that, huh?
    ODogg
    What you just said is completely different from what I was commenting on.
    Yes they should let their customer base know, I agree with what you said above, but I was commenting on the fact that someone thought there was some "right" for the customer to know. There isn't.
    Two very different things there.
    I think this is one problem just in general with society is people don't understand the difference in an actual "right" aka something legal versus what is simply the right thing to do.
    EA informing all of us is the right thing to do but we have no consumer "right" to know....

    Of course consumers have no legal right. No right at all legally.
    ksuttonjr76
    I was going to address this silly comment, since I do have a degree in Business Management...however, someone already explained the difference between "right" (where you can actually take legal action against said company) versus what is the PERCEIVED right thing to do. You have a perception of what EA should do based on nothing (aka data). Also, there's a difference between marketing (an attempt to persuade consumers to buy the game) versus communication (company goals, announcements, etc). However, you're supposedly educated in that, so we can presume that you already knew that, huh?

    LOL if you thought i was talking about "legal rights" i was talking about perceived rights.. RIGHT thing to do and etc. I don't know how to put it in words but no legal rights of course. Communication is part of marketing. A very important part of it...
    "Marketing Communication
    Definition: The Marketing Communication refers to the means adopted by the companies to convey messages about the products and the brands they sell, either directly or indirectly to the customers with the intention to persuade them to purchase."
    "You have a perception of what EA should do based on nothing (aka data)" Man how can you write this BS ? Seriously? You don't have a perception of what EA should do ? Like no idea about how they should or should not do with NBA Live upcoming game in terms of communicating with their fan base? Like if you were the head of EA you don't know what you would have done?
    I am starting suspect about your business degree
    The company is selling millions of units of the game, they are releasing the game every year.... It's 1 month before their regular release schedule. They haven't said an official word about the state of the game and yet you are arguing that it's their right, they can do whatever they want ? And it's not bad marketing-wise? In terms of how to communicate (or not) with your customer base? Are you really opposing that? Because if it's about talking BS i can talk BS all day long too. Comment here without being drunk, maybe that helps...
    lareka
    The company is selling millions of units of the game, they are releasing the game every year.... It's 1 month before their regular release schedule. They haven't said an official word about the state of the game and yet you are arguing that it's their right, they can do whatever they want ? And it's not bad marketing-wise? In terms of how to communicate (or not) with your customer base? Are you really opposing that? Because if it's about talking BS i can talk BS all day long too. Comment here without being drunk, maybe that helps...

    No, we agree on that. I do think they should communicate what is going on asap. I just did not agree with the assertion it was a "right" to know. It really isn't.
    Just getting a bit tired, in general, of people throwing around the phrase "it's my right" or such when there is no such right.
    Yes it's important to know your rights, totally agree. But when folks muddy the waters between "rights" and "doing what is right" that makes things worse for consumers, not better.
    lareka
    LOL if you thought i was talking about "legal rights" i was talking about perceived rights.. RIGHT thing to do and etc. I don't know how to put it in words but no legal rights of course. Communication is part of marketing. A very important part of it...
    "Marketing Communication
    Definition: The Marketing Communication refers to the means adopted by the companies to convey messages about the products and the brands they sell, either directly or indirectly to the customers with the intention to persuade them to purchase."
    "You have a perception of what EA should do based on nothing (aka data)" Man how can you write this BS ? Seriously? You don't have a perception of what EA should do ? Like no idea about how they should or should not do with NBA Live upcoming game in terms of communicating with their fan base? Like if you were the head of EA you don't know what you would have done?
    I am starting suspect about your business degree

    At the end of the day...EA is not REQUIRED to inform consumers about the status of NBA Live. That's where you fail to grasp understanding on this topic. You WANT EA to inform you about NBA Live, but they don't NEED to inform you of what's going on with NBA Live.
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/147/will-we-see-nba-live-19/2
    https://www.foxsportsasia.com/esports/nba2k/958113/nba-live-19-flopped-again-heres-why/
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2019/02/12/nba-live-19-has-now-dropped-to-6
    Now, why you're lying about their sales numbers and trying make it seem like NBA Live has this HUGE global following is beyond me. NBA Live 18 didn't even break 500K between ALL consoles. NBA Live 19 had 29 average viewers on Twitch compared to NBA 2K's 5K average. NBA Live 19 sold for $6 to generate sales. EA can never say another word about NBA Live going forward, and it WON'T matter. They're not turning a profit on the game nor do the general basketball community cares about the game.
    To me, if I was an "educated" CEO, the "right" BUSINESS move (on the outside looking in and without company data) would be to cancel NBA Live indefinitely, not renew the NBA license, disband the development studio, and reallocate funding resources somewhere else. I wouldn't give a damn about the consumer base, because the consumer base is not making my product profitable.
    How's that for "consumer rights" versus "company rights"?
    While I'm thinking about it....
    If you REALLY believe that by EA telling consumers about NBA Live's status is going to suddenly cause units to sell by the millions, then you really are a fool.
    ksuttonjr76
    While I'm thinking about it....
    If you REALLY believe that by EA telling consumers about NBA Live's status is going to suddenly cause units to sell by the millions, then you really are a fool.

    No i'm not saying such a thing.I'm saying " DO YOUR JOB RIGHT". Period
    ksuttonjr76
    At the end of the day...EA is not REQUIRED to inform consumers about the status of NBA Live. That's where you fail to grasp understanding on this topic. You WANT EA to inform you about NBA Live, but they don't NEED to inform you of what's going on with NBA Live.
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/147/will-we-see-nba-live-19/2
    https://www.foxsportsasia.com/esports/nba2k/958113/nba-live-19-flopped-again-heres-why/
    https://www.pastapadre.com/2019/02/12/nba-live-19-has-now-dropped-to-6
    Now, why you're lying about their sales numbers and trying make it seem like NBA Live has this HUGE global following is beyond me. NBA Live 18 didn't even break 500K between ALL consoles. NBA Live 19 had 29 average viewers on Twitch compared to NBA 2K's 5K average. NBA Live 19 sold for $6 to generate sales. EA can never say another word about NBA Live going forward, and it WON'T matter. They're not turning a profit on the game nor do the general basketball community cares about the game.
    To me, if I was an "educated" CEO, the "right" BUSINESS move (on the outside looking in and without company data) would be to cancel NBA Live indefinitely, not renew the NBA license, disband the development studio, and reallocate funding resources somewhere else. I wouldn't give a damn about the consumer base, because the consumer base is not making my product profitable.
    How's that for "consumer rights" versus "company rights"?

    "why you're lying about their sales numbers" I didn't lie. I searched for it, couldn't see it so i just guessed it.
    "To me, if I was an "educated" CEO, the "right" BUSINESS move (on the outside looking in and without company data) would be to cancel NBA Live indefinitely, not renew the NBA license, disband the development studio, and reallocate funding resources somewhere else. I wouldn't give a damn about the consumer base, because the consumer base is not making my product profitable." That sounds okay. YOu just need to tell the community what's your intention. That's why i'm upset. Lack of com-munication
    lareka
    "why you're lying about their sales numbers" I didn't lie. I searched for it, couldn't see it so i just guessed it.
    "To me, if I was an "educated" CEO, the "right" BUSINESS move (on the outside looking in and without company data) would be to cancel NBA Live indefinitely, not renew the NBA license, disband the development studio, and reallocate funding resources somewhere else. I wouldn't give a damn about the consumer base, because the consumer base is not making my product profitable." That sounds okay. YOu just need to tell the community what's your intention. That's why i'm upset. Lack of com-munication

    Once again....they don't "need" to do anything when it comes to communication about NBA Live.....
    ksuttonjr76
    Once again....they don't "need" to do anything when it comes to communication about NBA Live.....

    He, like so many people today in the world, can't seem to understand the difference in want vs need...
    Probably why we see so many people constantly saying "we have a right to.."
    No you don't, we all have rights but people seem to confuse what they think others should do ethically versus a real, factual right.
    ODogg
    He, like so many people today in the world, can't seem to understand the difference in want vs need...
    Probably why we see so many people constantly saying "we have a right to.."
    No you don't, we all have rights but people seem to confuse what they think others should do ethically versus a real, factual right.

    Same conversation that I have with young people all the time.
    It's like being a parent, and your teenager tells you that he/she has the right to privacy, and you're not allowed in their room.
    What? I don't know who told you that lie, but the "rights" you "have" is whatever I decide to give you or acknowledge. What you said sounded good, but I don't acknowledge it.
    ksuttonjr76
    Once again....they don't "need" to do anything when it comes to communication about NBA Live.....

    Why? Because they have low sales numbers?
    That's why? If you are a global company like Ea it's like a business crime to have such a poor communication about your game. It is 2019 not 2009 , people are on 7/24 news cycle.
    It is a bad image. I bet you don't care about that too. Oh well... Good lie about management degree Btw
    lareka
    Why? Because they have low sales numbers?
    That's why? If you are a global company like Ea it's like a business crime to have such a poor communication about your game. It is 2019 not 2009 , people are on 7/24 news cycle.
    It is a bad image. I bet you don't care about that too. Oh well... Good lie about management degree Btw

    Bad image for a game that's not selling and already has had MULTIPLE cancellations since NBA Live 10??? You can't be serious???
    You kinda would have an argument if we were talking about Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, The Sims, Mass Effect, etc. For those games, communication and marketing would be vital for the CONTINUED success of those franchises. However, we're talking about NBA Live....
    ksuttonjr76
    Bad image for a game that's not selling and already has had MULTIPLE cancellations since NBA Live 10??? You can't be serious???
    You kinda would have an argument if we were talking about Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, The Sims, Mass Effect, etc. For those games, communication and marketing would be vital for the CONTINUED success of those franchises. However, we're talking about NBA Live....

    Actually playing devils advocate, you might look at it from a different POV. If few bought the game even when it hit $3-5, few may notice or even care it's been delayed and EA may have come to that conclusion as well. :waytogo:
    ksuttonjr76
    Bad image for a game that's not selling and already has had MULTIPLE cancellations since NBA Live 10??? You can't be serious???
    You kinda would have an argument if we were talking about Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, The Sims, Mass Effect, etc. For those games, communication and marketing would be vital for the CONTINUED success of those franchises. However, we're talking about NBA Live....

    Bad Image for ELECTRONIC ARTS. Probably I overexaggerated the status of NBA LIVE, it's not regarded as highly as i thought- that's what i understood from our exchange.
    "You kinda would have an argument if we were talking about Madden, FIFA, Battlefield, The Sims, Mass Effect, etc. For those games, communication and marketing would be vital for the CONTINUED success of those franchises. However, we're talking about NBA Live..." For me it's about EA. About those franchises you are right.
    Heat_Fan
    Actually playing devils advocate, you might look at it from a different POV. If few bought the game even when it hit $3-5, few may notice or even care it's been delayed and EA may have come to that conclusion as well. :waytogo:

    Yeah actually dropping the game price to 6 $ that early (not even 1 year after release) is a bad image too for their game. Seems like they already f*d up it's image, they don't care about the game as much as I thought. Oh well...
    Is anyone else having a problem with this update that every few times they start the game it redownloads the update?
    the game has downloaded the July 25th update about four times in the last week and I save the game I play games I have no idea what could possibly be triggering it to think it's not installed and of course it does that ridiculous cumulative installation where it puts all of the updates into one download so it takes about 5 minutes just to start the game
    Klocker
    Is anyone else having a problem with this update that every few times they start the game it redownloads the update?
    the game has downloaded the July 25th update about four times in the last week and I save the game I play games I have no idea what could possibly be triggering it to think it's not installed and of course it does that ridiculous cumulative installation where it puts all of the updates into one download so it takes about 5 minutes just to start the game

    Not sure why but a bunch of people on Reddit have reported the same so you are not alone.
    Klocker
    Is anyone else having a problem with this update that every few times they start the game it redownloads the update?
    the game has downloaded the July 25th update about four times in the last week and I save the game I play games I have no idea what could possibly be triggering it to think it's not installed and of course it does that ridiculous cumulative installation where it puts all of the updates into one download so it takes about 5 minutes just to start the game

    Thankfully i haven't had such an issue
    ksuttonjr76
    Does anyone know if we'll eventually get the rookies?

    If they plan on putting out Live 20 closer to Christmas it would be a super smart move to do so. Try and keep the Live fans they have playing until 20 comes out. When the new season starts, without rookies it will be tough to keep players from jumping ship.
    CujoMatty
    If they plan on putting out Live 20 closer to Christmas it would be a super smart move to do so. Try and keep the Live fans they have playing until 20 comes out. When the new season starts, without rookies it will be tough to keep players from jumping ship.

    Exactly my thoughts
    ksuttonjr76
    Does anyone know if we'll eventually get the rookies?

    Does anybody have a spreadsheet of rookies? Specifically Zion, Ja Morant, RJ Barrett, etc.

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