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The NFL and 2K Are Back Together, 'Non-Simulation' Games Will Release Beginning in 2021

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The NFL and 2K Are Back Together, 'Non-Simulation' Games Will Release Beginning in 2021

The era of NFL 2K5 feels like an eternity ago, but there’s still plenty of people who remember that game. This makes the news of 2K and the NFL agreeing on a new licensing contract that much bigger. To be clear, there are some caveats with this agreement, but the major point is that 2K and the NFL have come to terms on a “multi-year partnership encompassing multiple future video games,” according to 2K.

These games are slated to release starting in 2021, and it sounds like it will certainly end up being multiple NFL-branded titles.

But is the NFL 2K so many remember fondly coming back quite yet? No, it does not seem that way according to a press release sent out by EA Sports that states:

“EA SPORTS is the exclusive publisher of NFL simulation games, and our partnership with the NFL and NFLPA remains unchanged. Our agreements have always allowed for non-exclusive development of non-simulation games on various platforms.”

The idea of what “simulation” entails is up for some debate, but the point is it’s likely we see more “arcade” style games from 2K at least at the start. I say at least at the start because as far as we know the current agreement between EA and the NFL expires after the 2021 NFL season (so early 2022). Now, there’s no reason to believe the NFL and EA could not once again come to an exclusive agreement, but 2K is getting its foot in the door in the meantime.

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David Ismailer, president of 2K, also went on to describe what these games might be at a high level.

“We’re thrilled to be back in business with the NFL in a partnership that will span multiple video games centered on fun, approachable and social experiences.

There are a lot of questions here in terms of what these games will look like and what platforms do they end up on as we head towards next-gen, but it’s exciting to see football games expanding. We had heard rumors about 2K and the XFL, but it seems like those rumors were perhaps always about this licensing deal instead. Lastly, one could read Ismailer’s final statement as a sign that 2K will not just be stopping with expansion in the NFL.

“We’re growing our sports offerings and building on our core games with new IP, as well as continued support of award-winning franchises, all with the goal of giving our fans more amazing games and entertainment for years to come.”

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We’ll have plenty more about this in the days ahead, but even with the caveats mentioned, this has been a big last six months for sports games. Between this news and the news that The Show will be multi-platform, it signals contraction may finally be over for now in the sports genre. We’re getting noticeable expansion and that’s surprising as usually console switches are when we have lost the most sports games. Hopefully, this trend continues and we slowly start to see these major sports organizations making it more feasible and less expensive to make more sports games for the masses.

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  1. Need more info! The talk about "non-simulated, more casual" experiences has me worried but this at least opens the door for an actual NFL 2k at some point.
    Let's not get too excited, kids:
    https://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Electronic+Arts+%28EA%29+says+it+is+exclusive+publisher+of+NFL+simulation+games%2C+and+partnership+with+the+NFL+and+NFLPA+remains+unchanged/16594637.html
    Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ: EA) today issued the following statement regarding the NFL-EA SPORTS partnership:
    “EA SPORTS is the exclusive publisher of NFL simulation games, and our partnership with the NFL and NFLPA remains unchanged. Our agreements have always allowed for non-exclusive development of non-simulation games on various platforms. Our commitment to NFL fans, which spans almost 30 years, has never been stronger, and we’re having our biggest year yet. Madden NFL 20 is the most successful game ever in the franchise, and new modes like Superstar KO and our Madden NFL esports broadcasts are growing the fan base. We’ll be building on that momentum with more new and different experiences, on more platforms and with new ways to play, in the years to come.”
    I see(Hope) 2 things happening.
    1. Madden will step up there game to at least attempt to fix some of the Bugs that have been around for years.
    2. 2k will have a ton of Customization options which should make for some great options for Roster Makers.
    "Our goal is always authenticity, depth, fun and as it relates to these titles – approachable and social football experiences. We think this is a good opportunity to service a more casual market, and our research shows there’s an appetite for that." -2K Senior VP of Sports Strategy and Licensing, Jason Argent to IGN.
    Need to hear more info. But, I would take any other alternative to Madden. I would take a "Blitz" or "Street" type of game. I would buy it day one if it came to next gen consoles.
    Hopefully it pushes Madden to step their game up. Even if it isn't simulation, it will still be compared to Madden
    On one hand hearing " Non-simulation" football sounds bad, but then i thought about it...... all madden is, is animation forced simulation ..... so thats fine. Just give me a football game with actual physics instead of crappy forced animation dice rolls.
    Either way , competition makes for better products in the end. Bring it on !
    I really don't know what to expect here. An NFL Blitz style game seems likely but I wonder how close to simulation they can get before it breaches the agreement.
    My dream would be that it would be an NFL Head Coach style game, but I feel like that wouldn't be lucrative enough and could possibly be deemed a simulation game.
    Either way it's a step in the right direction. Will take a certain audience away from Madden which should promote competition between the two publishers
    redsox4evur
    I'm expecting something much closer to NBA Playgrounds then NBA 2K.

    I agree. I would expect arcade football. If you are expecting 2k5 style football with a full-fledged franchise mode, then don't get your hopes up. But I'll take a over the top football game if done right.
    Official response from EA.
    “EA SPORTS is the exclusive publisher of NFL simulation games, and our partnership with the NFL and NFLPA remains unchanged. Our agreements have always allowed for non-exclusive development of non-simulation games on various platforms. Our commitment to NFL fans, which spans almost 30 years, has never been stronger, and we’re having our biggest year yet. Madden NFL 20 is the most successful game ever in the franchise, and new modes like Superstar KO and our Madden NFL esports broadcasts are growing the fan base. We’ll be building on that momentum with more new and different experiences, on more platforms and with new ways to play, in the years to come.”
    I see maybe a street type of game but in no way shape or form do I think we will ever see a new blitz game with the NFL or NFLPA attached to it.
    Since it is probably a year-16 months out, I would to hear more info around E3 and on. I always felt that 2k would find a way to get back into the NFL in some form. They need more than just NBA and WWE.
    Cubfan
    I see maybe a street type of game but in no way shape or form do I think we will ever see a new blitz game with the NFL or NFLPA attached to it.

    I agree. NFL wouldn't want a Blitz style game attached to NFL brand. But I do think a Street game could work. The original street games were received well. So I believe a 2k NFL Street could do well.
    Nope. Nope. Nope.
    "Non simulation." yeah... nice try. That tells me it's going to be some kind of arcadey NFL BLitz or Mutant Football League or some nonsense like that.
    Sorry, 2k but you're a stupid company. If you think that a this NFL BLitz kind of game will sell better than a non-licensed simulation football game (with a real franchise mode, and not that nonsense you came out with in 2008) I honest do not know what to tell you .
    kennylc321
    Nope. Nope. Nope.
    "Non simulation." yeah... nice try. That tells me it's going to be some kind of arcadey NFL BLitz or Mutant Football League or some nonsense like that.
    Sorry, 2k but you're a stupid company. If you think that a this NFL BLitz kind of game will sell better than a non-licensed simulation football game (with a real franchise mode, and not that nonsense you came out with in 2008) I honest do not know what to tell you .

    2K can't make a simulation type of game those right belong to EA until 2021. So all they can make is a arcade style game.
    DaChiefs
    If EA is the exclusive publisher of simulation football games, how come they aren't releasing any?
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    Same exact thing i was thinking. But you see they get to use the word "simulation" because thats basically all madden is . Simulations of animations ...... forced at that ...... Not simulation football though, not in the terms we think of the word.
    The NFL needs to get their heads out of their *** and let 2K make a real football game. 2k5 is still better than Madden 20. If I was 2K, I would also make an XFL game so they can make a simulation game to go along side these other titles. That alone will cause EA to step up their game
    From Darren Rovell
    "The NFL announces it has struck a deal with 2K to produce multiple video games in the future. Is this end for Madden? Not necessarily. It just means there will be competition. EA’s deal expires at end of 2021 season. Sources say NFL is talking to others as well."
    Thats the first time I seen a concrete time when the EA deal is to expire. I knew the ESPN deal was due to expire around that time. But I do expect them to renew it. Hopefully NFL stops the exclusivity deals
    Cubfan
    2K can't make a simulation type of game those right belong to EA until 2021. So all they can make is a arcade style game.

    True and what this does in long term is opens door for them to show how a good football game can play on next gen. Then if people love how it plays... that can open the door for NFL to relook at their liscense with EA. Either way EA can act like its no big deal , but they gonna have to turn off that coast button and start trying harder imo. They are still working with horrible code upon code that they keep adding onto and making things worse. 2K will likely be using better code without those problems. They just need to focus it on having an actual physics engine and based on physics not forced animations.
    Give them a few years of selling well and NFL will be rethinking. EAs butt is being put to the fire imo. Competition always helps to generate a better product.
    DaChiefs
    If EA is the exclusive publisher of simulation football games, how come they aren't releasing any?
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    Ridiculous isn’t it? Madden is NOT simulating anything
    "Non simulation football game experiences" has me worried. It's a very broad statement while at the same time seems like it was very intentionally worded so that it doesn't encroach on Madden.
    If you like NFL Street or Blitz I think you could get excited, but I don't see how this could end up being competition for Madden.
    I don't think the NFL cares about video game competition - it's a drop in the bucket to them. I think they just want a video game company that will represent their brand consistently and to help draw in young fans. I guess we'll wait and see what 2K is allowed to come up with.
    secondsolution
    I really don't know what to expect here. An NFL Blitz style game seems likely but I wonder how close to simulation they can get before it breaches the agreement.
    My dream would be that it would be an NFL Head Coach style game, but I feel like that wouldn't be lucrative enough and could possibly be deemed a simulation game.
    Either way it's a step in the right direction. Will take a certain audience away from Madden which should promote competition between the two publishers

    Based on them saying they're trying to make a fun, approachable game, a Head Coach/Football Manager style game sees unlikely, at least in the immediate future.
    An NBA 2K Playgrounds style NFL game seems much more likely to me.
    I’m in a glass case of emotions right now. “Non-simulation” can mean a lot of things. It could mean it’s an arcade game, it could mean it’s not a sim like OOTP baseball.
    Madden has in no way been releasing a sim game they even have arcade and competitive modes. Madden does have the super sim feature.
    All in all I’m betting this isn’t going to be the game myself and a lot of people were hoping for but with EA’s statement they seem to be shaking in their boots, basically saying they are still the only “real” football game on the market.
    TecmoZack
    Was All-Pro Football considered "non-sim" ?

    I’ve never heard it discussed as sim or non sim. The whole thing seems purposely vague. Maybe 2K found a lloophole in the exclusive deal or they just really want to make an NFL street style game for the online/multiplayer aspect.
    illwill10
    From Darren Rovell
    "The NFL announces it has struck a deal with 2K to produce multiple video games in the future. Is this end for Madden? Not necessarily. It just means there will be competition. EA’s deal expires at end of 2021 season. Sources say NFL is talking to others as well."
    Thats the first time I seen a concrete time when the EA deal is to expire. I knew the ESPN deal was due to expire around that time. But I do expect them to renew it. Hopefully NFL stops the exclusivity deals

    Some people would buy any other game out of spite. I am one of them. EA ruined video game football for me. I’m down to try whatever 2k offers. I want to see:
    New plays and playbooks
    A game that has a learning curve
    New kicking system
    Different controller layout/button mapping
    Variety in the way teams play - Offensive or Defensive focused teams
    An actual pocket
    Dynamic crowds, stadiums, and weather
    I got tired of settling with madden. Can we please get a somewhat believable fun game of football? I remember there being so many options, I never thought football video gaming would be this suspect in 2020. Great news
    SolidSquid
    I’ve never heard it discussed as sim or non sim. The whole thing seems purposely vague. Maybe 2K found a lloophole in the exclusive deal or they just really want to make an NFL street style game for the online/multiplayer aspect.

    Yeah. Or maybe it will be customizeable and that makes the "non-sim" label a thing?
    Either way I've been waiting 13 years for more 2k Football. Sign me up. All-Pro was my jam. I would even be down for that with a Franchise mode and maybe even throw in a pool of current players as well.
    howboutdat
    True and what this does in long term is opens door for them to show how a good football game can play on next gen. Then if people love how it plays... that can open the door for NFL to relook at their liscense with EA. Either way EA can act like its no big deal , but they gonna have to turn off that coast button and start trying harder imo. They are still working with horrible code upon code that they keep adding onto and making things worse. 2K will likely be using better code without those problems. They just need to focus it on having an actual physics engine and based on physics not forced animations.
    Give them a few years of selling well and NFL will be rethinking. EAs butt is being put to the fire imo. Competition always helps to generate a better product.

    I agree. At the very least, this has to push EA to really step their game up. Like you said, EA still has legacy issues from start of 7th generation. Where 2K would be building from scratch. I don't see NFL extending the exclusive NFL with EA long term, just to see how 2k does. With the first slates of 2k games to release in 2021 and Madden exclusive deal ending end of 2021 season, I just wonder how the NFL will approach it. I'd imagine that NFL deal gets extended in some way for Madden since they are in deep development after NFL season ends. But I could see it being non-exclusive to start off. Lets say the 2k game comes out July(not smart to compete directly with Madden), I dont see 6-7 months enough time to decide for a new 2k game
    TecmoZack
    Was All-Pro Football considered "non-sim" ?

    I was wondering when someone would mention All-Pro Football. I think "simulation" refers to the players, as well, so the loophole could be in utilizing legends who aren't on the field every Sunday.
    TGraen23
    I was wondering when someone would mention All-Pro Football. I think "simulation" refers to the players, as well, so the loophole could be in utilizing legends who aren't on the field every Sunday.

    My thoughts as well.
    openureyez
    Some people would buy any other game out of spite. I am one of them. EA ruined video game football for me. I’m down to try whatever 2k offers. I want to see:
    New plays and playbooks
    A game that has a learning curve
    New kicking system
    Different controller layout/button mapping
    Variety in the way teams play - Offensive or Defensive focused teams
    An actual pocket
    Dynamic crowds, stadiums, and weather
    I got tired of settling with madden. Can we please get a somewhat believable fun game of football? I remember there being so many options, I never thought football video gaming would be this suspect in 2020. Great news

    I hate madden and EA but a street/blitz style game isn’t something I care for.
    I feel like non sim means this won’t be 11 on 11 “real” video game football.
    This is good news for competition in any way shape or form.
    My heart sank a bit when I saw non-sim fun stuff, ie micro transactions.
    Antennae raised, ears and eyes wide open.
    This will hopefully just be the start. NBA 2K is leagues beyond NBA live to the point that there's really no competition between the two. I suspect that the NFL realizes this eventually and makes a change of some sort. The fact that they are opening up the liscence is huge to begin with.
    roadman
    This is good news for competition in any way shape or form.
    My heart sank a bit when I saw non-sim fun stuff, ie micro transactions.
    Antennae raised, ears and eyes wide open.

    Same!!!!! Super Excited to hear this.
    DaChiefs
    If EA is the exclusive publisher of simulation football games, how come they aren't releasing any?
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    Literally came here to say this.
    Within the span of 10 minutes this morning I went from ecstatic having read the article about NFL and 2k partnership and then back to completely not caring about NFL video games when I saw that EA statement.
    Can only hope that this forces madden to give a better sim experience since the arcade experience can be purchased elsewhere.
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    I'm seeing this as an opportunity. For 16 years, this door has been locked, and today was the NFL sticking the key back in and unlocking it. Regardless of a sim or arcade project, there looks to be some interest in actually bringing back competition. Any small company could have been approached to make a non-sim game. To talk to 2K about it and to sign them up for it, a AAA gaming company with a rich history in sports gaming; it clicks just a bit. If people support this product next year, that is the next step to opening that door.
    Well, this wasn't what I was expecting to hear at all this morning. The non-simulation wording puts a bit of a damper on things BUT I'll reserve judgment for when I actually see what it is. I've fallen out of 2k's good graces as far as the NBA and WWE games go this year but I'm going in with a open mind and everything else.
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    2k having a football studio up and running and having a relationship in the NFL is a big step. It makes it much easier to transition to a full sim game in the future if the NFL wants to change it's strategy around exclusivity.
    I wonder what the "simulation" part of EA's agreement with the NFL means anyway. I had never heard that specific part of it before.
    A lot of younger people will be interest because of NBA 2K, the old heads because of NFL 2K and APF of course, and the latter audience will only be put off of the first game if it's not 11 on 11. They will buy it anyway though unless it's just mobile.
    I do agree with the hope that this spurs EA into tightening up the sim gameplay on Madden. Ironically, competitive play IMO, is an actual detriment to their desire/ability to do so. Balance for H2H play is often antithetical to real football.
    TCFClemson
    "The games will be non-simulation football game experiences. "
    Giant blue balls from that line.

    My excitement went from 100 to 10 after reading that
    This statement from 2K also stuck out to me from the IGN article:
    "...approachable and social football experiences. We think this is a good opportunity to service a more casual market, and our research shows there’s an appetite for that."

    Emphasis in bold mine. Here's a link to the article https://www.ign.com/articles/nfl-2k-is-coming-back-in-2021-but-madden-is-still-the-exclusive-sim-football-game
    Also, from a Polygon article:
    It’s worth noting that 2K’s deal with the NFL only covers the names, logos, and associated elements for the league and its 32 teams — not the names, images, and likenesses of any NFL players.

    https://www.polygon.com/2020/3/10/21172310/nfl-2k-sports-football-video-games-deal-ea-madden
    KushNstien
    My excitement went from 100 to 10 after reading that

    Below 10 for me lol. I was so excited when I woke to the notification on my phone, but after three minutes of research knew it wasn’t gonna be for me. Remember when everyone was all hyped over that Joe Montana Football game?
    50West
    This statement from 2K also stuck out to me from the IGN article:
    Emphasis in bold mine. Here's a link to the article https://www.ign.com/articles/nfl-2k-is-coming-back-in-2021-but-madden-is-still-the-exclusive-sim-football-game

    My thing is how much more casual can it get than madden? They have 2 modes already where ratings mean nothing. Anyone can pick up and play and in fact madden has been making the game “more accessible” for a loooong time.
    I want to think 2K is just playing coy and will release a game in the vein of 2k5, but the cynic in me knows we are getting some micro transaction based online mode similar to MUT, I’m sure there will be purchasable power ups and evertthing
    Brandwin
    An NFL version of a game like Super Mega Baseball?

    Probably not. There have been alternatives on mobile for most of the duration of the exclusive contract, and I'm not sure any of them have had franchise mode. The games with GM / franchise aspects are pretty consistently non-branded.
    So I expect this to be more of an ultimate team / arcade style game.
    Why non-sim though? I hope it was because it was the only way they could negotiate with the NFL. I definitely need a NFL 2K son experience though. Can’t lie that it’s a bit disappointing it will not be sim.
    SolidSquid
    Below 10 for me lol. I was so excited when I woke to the notification on my phone, but after three minutes of research knew it wasn’t gonna be for me. Remember when everyone was all hyped over that Joe Montana Football game?

    I think there is a very distinct difference between 2K producing a football game with NFL licensing and the vaporware that was Joe Montana Football.
    TheGentlemanGhost
    Why non-sim though? I hope it was because it was the only way they could negotiate with the NFL. I definitely need a NFL 2K son experience though. Can’t lie that it’s a bit disappointing it will not be sim.

    EA's current contract with the NFL specifically states "simulation" type games, although the EA contract expires at the end of 2021.
    SolidSquid
    I want to think 2K is just playing coy and will release a game in the vein of 2k5, but the cynic in me knows we are getting some micro transaction based online mode similar to MUT, I’m sure there will be purchasable power ups and evertthing

    Take a look at the Polygon article I linked. There was some good points made in there.
    My excitement pretty much dropped with the "non-simulation", "casual crowd" comments. I would take a guess that part of these negotiations included the NFL going to EA and telling them outright that whatever 2K makes it won't be infringing on their "simulated NFL replica gameplay and depth". I would bet the gameplay will be very arcadey and there won't be much depth to the game at all, at most I would think a single year season mode. Honestly imagining a new, updated NFL Street style game but in the actual stadiums, just as cartoony and over the top. Hopefully I'm just being too pessimistic and we will get a good experience that tops Madden but it looks doomed from the start.
    I also don't think this will put that much pressure on EA. They'll continue to be the flagship NFL video game while this one will be an 'alternative' that you can play for a few weeks once it comes out. It won't have a deep franchise mode so there won't be any pressure to improve Maddden in that aspect.
    Possibly the only pressure EA could face is if the NFL gets that impressed with 2K or their game sells so well they decide to give the full license to 2K for a few years and let them try the whole shebang, but, again, the EA and NFL have been in bed for so long I don't see them breaking up that easily. It would take multiple years of Madden selling supremely poorly for the NFL to even begin to reconsider.
    Cory Levy
    My excitement pretty much dropped with the "non-simulation", "casual crowd" comments. I would take a guess that part of these negotiations included the NFL going to EA and telling them outright that whatever 2K makes it won't be infringing on their "simulated NFL replica gameplay and depth". I would bet the gameplay will be very arcadey and there won't be much depth to the game at all, at most I would think a single year season mode. Honestly imagining a new, updated NFL Street style game but in the actual stadiums, just as cartoony and over the top. Hopefully I'm just being too pessimistic and we will get a good experience that tops Madden but it looks doomed from the start.
    I also don't think this will put that much pressure on EA. They'll continue to be the flagship NFL video game while this one will be an 'alternative' that you can play for a few weeks once it comes out. It won't have a deep franchise mode so there won't be any pressure to improve Maddden in that aspect.
    Possibly the only pressure EA could face is if the NFL gets that impressed with 2K or their game sells so well they decide to give the full license to 2K for a few years and let them try the whole shebang, but, again, the EA and NFL have been in bed for so long I don't see them breaking up that easily. It would take multiple years of Madden selling supremely poorly for the NFL to even begin to reconsider.

    I agree, and unfortunately EA is in a pretty good position with Madden right now (from the NFL's perspective). EA just released earlier today in their statement that Madden 20 was the best selling Madden ever.
    Cory Levy
    My excitement pretty much dropped with the "non-simulation", "casual crowd" comments. I would take a guess that part of these negotiations included the NFL going to EA and telling them outright that whatever 2K makes it won't be infringing on their "simulated NFL replica gameplay and depth". I would bet the gameplay will be very arcadey and there won't be much depth to the game at all, at most I would think a single year season mode. Honestly imagining a new, updated NFL Street style game but in the actual stadiums, just as cartoony and over the top. Hopefully I'm just being too pessimistic and we will get a good experience that tops Madden but it looks doomed from the start.
    I also don't think this will put that much pressure on EA. They'll continue to be the flagship NFL video game while this one will be an 'alternative' that you can play for a few weeks once it comes out. It won't have a deep franchise mode so there won't be any pressure to improve Maddden in that aspect.
    Possibly the only pressure EA could face is if the NFL gets that impressed with 2K or their game sells so well they decide to give the full license to 2K for a few years and let them try the whole shebang, but, again, the EA and NFL have been in bed for so long I don't see them breaking up that easily. It would take multiple years of Madden selling supremely poorly for the NFL to even begin to reconsider.

    The thing is the new 2k game is going up against madden. You have a team making their first game since 2008 and we don’t even know what it will be vs EA and Madden who have been the only “real” football game on the market for 15 years. It’s really apples to oranges, I don’t see how anything 2k does can threaten madden since they aren’t releasing the same type games. How can you compare 11 on 11 franchise mode football(even though it’s trash) to the football adjacent game 2k will put out?
    Best case scenario is The NFL will give both companies the license, 2k will be exclusive NFL arcade style games and EA will keep the flagship nfl sim
    50West
    EA's current contract with the NFL specifically states "simulation" type games, although the EA contract expires at the end of 2021.
    Take a look at the Polygon article I linked. There was some good points made in there.

    Yeah, just found out, thanks. Okay, so if that means 2K may start making sim games after just this one arcade game, I’ll definitely support 2K no matter what just so they have the numbers.
    EA’s response was so contradictory. One sentence they say they are dedicated to making a sim game, then the very next they brag about their arcade modes lol. We really need 2K back in the NFL business.
    sva91
    If 2k was allowed to make a 7 on 7 with full rosters and stadiums, I’d be very happy.
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    Idk. The love I have for 2k and what they did with 2k5 has me not wanting to settle for less.
    These are the guys that put weekly game planning into franchise mode, something madden just got 3 years ago.
    I won’t settle for an arcade football game just bc it’s 2k.
    I don’t get this. The NFL won’t let the game become an overly violent NFL Blitz style game, so that’s out. NFL Street style games stopped being made because they didn’t sell.
    My best guess is, based off the “casual, social” comment, is this is geared towards online players... going around playing 7 on 7 in like an open world. Not simulation but not completely over the top, think like sandlot football. Kinda a medium of casual, relatively realistic, fun, simple.
    I’m sure there’s an audience for that, people love to play Madden in so many different ways. But I just don’t see it being that popular and will be just a memory in 10 years.
    Also, just having the NFL rights is... weird. In a game where you play as... players... they’re more important. So that makes me think this will be like a Create a Player full game experience.
    slickdtc
    Also, just having the NFL rights is... weird. In a game where you play as... players... they’re more important. So that makes me think this will be like a Create a Player full game experience.

    2K is still free to negotiate with the NFLPA to use their names and likeness, if they so choose. It is a separate agreement/license than with the NFL (if I understood it correctly). 2K did not yet say if they have such an agreement, or are seeking one, with the NFLPA.
    Having said that, I'm sure they fully understand how important it is to use real player names.
    slickdtc
    I don’t get this. The NFL won’t let the game become an overly violent NFL Blitz style game, so that’s out. NFL Street style games stopped being made because they didn’t sell.
    My best guess is, based off the “casual, social” comment, is this is geared towards online players... going around playing 7 on 7 in like an open world. Not simulation but not completely over the top, think like sandlot football. Kinda a medium of casual, relatively realistic, fun, simple.
    I’m sure there’s an audience for that, people love to play Madden in so many different ways. But I just don’t see it being that popular and will be just a memory in 10 years.
    Also, just having the NFL rights is... weird. In a game where you play as... players... they’re more important. So that makes me think this will be like a Create a Player full game experience.

    Maybe something along the lines of 2ks pro am? You play on a team where everyone makes their own character. So one person would control the qb one would control the RB, 3 people playing WR and so on.
    Full stat tracking so you can see how you did at the end of every “season”.
    I’m sure there would be a market for that.
    50West
    2K is still free to negotiate with the NFLPA to use their names and likeness, if they so choose. It is a separate agreement/license than with the NFL (if I understood it correctly). 2K did not yet say if they have such an agreement, or are seeking one, with the NFLPA.

    Yes the nfl Licenses gives them use of teams and stadiums. They would need the NFLPA license for player likeness and the such. The fact that they won’t confirm or deny that they have the NFLPA on board makes me think they don’t. This will be an online multiplayer game where everyone creates their own player and controls them online in multiplayer games.
    SolidSquid
    Maybe something along the lines of 2ks pro am? You play on a team where everyone makes their own character. So one person would control the qb one would control the RB, 3 people playing WR and so on.
    Full stat tracking so you can see how you did at the end of every “season”.
    I’m sure there would be a market for that.

    This is what I was trying to get at. I don’t play much anymore so not sure what modes there are in the newest games these days. Totally think they’re going to expand on this as a full game... tournaments, seasons, skills challenges, etc.
    Just read this. Happy Days are here again.
    No need to buy Madden 2021 IMO. I didn't buy 2020 and don't see them doing anything better.
    OR, maybe this lights a fire to make franchise better. Either way I liked 2K much more than Madden so we'll see how it goes.
    Not sure what kind of game we will get but hopefully it will be like it was before. My guess is the players complaining about Madden had some influance.
    Definitelyy will get 2K when it comes out.
    I'm actually hoping that 2K works on a sim football game based on the XFL to show the NFL how the videogames SHOULD play. Maybe then, the NFL will allow 2K to come back to a full sim videogame on the consoles and compete against EA again.
    That would be my wish!
    BigBlue
    SolidSquid
    Yes the nfl Licenses gives them use of teams and stadiums. They would need the NFLPA license for player likeness and the such. The fact that they won’t confirm or deny that they have the NFLPA on board makes me think they don’t. This will be an online multiplayer game where everyone creates their own player and controls them online in multiplayer games.

    Even if it isn't the real players names, so what? You have made up names as you draft anyways. I'm just hoping for a better game.
    If it wont have a franchise then I won't buy it. Not doing online play only
    At least 13 long, depressing, torturous years of checking on Operation Sports for anything NFL 2K football related and today the day has come!!! I'm in shock as I hoped but thought this day would never come, yet here we are. I will need weeks for this to truly soak in. I am beyond excited!
    Goffs
    I hope it's not a mobile game....with the next gen systems coming out I would like to see 2k flex there graphic muscles.

    It's definitely not exclusively mobile as 2K was always free to make a non simulation mobile game from the inception of the exclusive EA contract but chose not to
    DocHolliday
    Was extremely excited till I read about the lock out of “simulation” football. It’s going to be a causal, arcade, card flipper.
    But hey I guess it’s a start.
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    Sounds a lot like Madden. Honestly surprised Madden didn't switch with them so they could drop Franchise and invest more into casual modes like MUT and SS KO.
    I'll check out a 2K NFL football game in any capacity. Thing is, I'm not down on Madden anymore. There are too many great games out for cheap now to relegate myself to playing what I consider a subpar game. M20 is the best Madden ever IMO, and I played it longer than any Madden this gen. Madden is a solid B game to me. I'm intrigued though by this news, though. I never thought we'd see 2K and the NFL collaborating again but the gaming landscape has changed significantly in the 15 years or so since 2K5.
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    When does EA's exclusive license end? I heard 2021, but couldn't find a source of this. If it's actually in 2021 this is great. While it may be non-sim for now, it obviously shows that the NFL is interested in possibly giving the license to 2k, or allowing both publishers to develop (even better, COMPETITION!).
    Also, I've been waiting to hear 2k back in the football business for a while, 2k5 released about 15 years ago, and this is the closest it's been to returning to NFL licensed sim football. I think we shouldn't jump make assume they will get a license agreement for sim football, but I'm optimistic being this best news I've received in 15 years.
    Not sure if this counts as a source... but it is something i guess. Would be interesting if they're using the loophole of "non-sim" to get their foot in the door in 2021 and then going full throttle in 2022.
    I'm actually thinking more like 2Ks MyPlayer where people can create avatars and play with a team of humans on the NFL teams against other users avatars. That way the NFLPA license isnt necessary. As far as gaming 2K has a lock on the MyPlayer market; that's what has NBA2K at 10 million sales. Apply that same template to the NFL and who knows what they can do.
    slickdtc
    I don’t get this. The NFL won’t let the game become an overly violent NFL Blitz style game, so that’s out. NFL Street style games stopped being made because they didn’t sell.
    My best guess is, based off the “casual, social” comment, is this is geared towards online players... going around playing 7 on 7 in like an open world. Not simulation but not completely over the top, think like sandlot football. Kinda a medium of casual, relatively realistic, fun, simple.
    I’m sure there’s an audience for that, people love to play Madden in so many different ways. But I just don’t see it being that popular and will be just a memory in 10 years.
    Also, just having the NFL rights is... weird. In a game where you play as... players... they’re more important. So that makes me think this will be like a Create a Player full game experience.

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    ProfessaPackMan
    Damn this is big news...

    The million dollar question is do EA and the players union have an exclusive agreement?
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    PhillyPhanatic14
    Not sure if this counts as a source... but it is something i guess. Would be interesting if they're using the loophole of "non-sim" to get their foot in the door in 2021 and then going full throttle in 2022.

    This is EXACTLY what I’m hoping for.
    Dumb question, but does anyone think the NFLPA has anything to do with this as well? I know they are currently in talks for the new CBA deal, wonder if anything from that comes into play? I know it usually comes down to player rights, money, owner rights, and head office rights.
    So this should be great for NFL fans no matter what. If EAs exclusive deal for sim football is on the line, they know they need to give sim players what they want now. If they don’t focus on franchise, what reason is there to get M21 for people like me? And with the NFL giving 2K any license to make a football game, even though it’s arcade, EA should know they have to focus on the sim elements for now. Hopefully 2K can something out of this and EA realizes they need to give the sim community some love.
    This announcement is both exciting and disappointing at the same time. Only allowing 2k to make some arcade bs will do nothing towards forcing ea to step up their game. EA has cornered the Sim market for 15 years and has done literally nothing to separate itself from NFL 2k5 imo. Missed opportunity NFL...
    lambo3500
    Dumb question, but does anyone think the NFLPA has anything to do with this as well? I know they are currently in talks for the new CBA deal, wonder if anything from that comes into play? I know it usually comes down to player rights, money, owner rights, and head office rights.

    The NFL and NFLPA are separate contracts/agreements with regard to video game licensing.
    NINJAK2
    This announcement is both exciting and disappointing at the same time. Only allowing 2k to make some arcade bs will do nothing towards forcing ea to step up their game. EA has cornered the Sim market for 15 years and has done literally nothing to separate itself from NFL 2k5 imo. Missed opportunity NFL...

    I don't want to feed to a false sense of hope, but in 15 years this is the closest 2k has gotten to the NFL. If EA's exclusive license to sim football ends in 2021, this gives 2k a window to develop a relationship with the NFL to potentially make football games for sim football. Hopefully both companies will get the license to push competition.
    And let's be real, if 2k was to get exclusive access to sim NFL games, it would take at least 2-3 years to push a decent product out as they would have to build from the ground up as they would need to build for the upcoming gen, development (engine design, cfm, etc...), and marketing. I doubt the NFL would want to wait that long a football game if they got access to the license today (and exclusively them).
    This makes sense considering the concern by the NFL with youth and parents shying away from the violence of football. Create a fun, interactive game for kids. So stadiums and uniforms and the user creates themselves as the key player for online head to head battles and mini games. The animations will show proper tackling and game play mechanics; probably no more hit sticking, and this could effect Madden. In the meantime, the NFL will continue to make the game safer. Football needs a continuous supply of youth players.
    Competition can be great, it is not a guarantee. Seeing as how a video game's quality is not about something tangible, the competition, if arcade, could result in competitive changes for Madden, but not in the direction many on this forum would agree on for a direction.
    I hope that the animations, player movements and interactions from zones to offensive and defensive line play is crisp and believable in this 2K version, and this will be the focus of Madden in their competitive drive to remain the top game.
    "Simulation" is just a word with many people having a variation of what it means. The term simulation could be qualified in just having real player likeness in Madden performing great animations as the player is best known for in the real sport.
    Simulation could mean numbers generated in a ratings system. This could result in the 2K version not using any ratings and just having basic blocking, speed, strength, etc. with all performance on the field being user generated with each computer generated player equal and open to the user input to determine ultimate ability and performance. So if you want a block shed, for example, a user would have to control that defensive player and out button push the opponent, who can counter button push, or beat the AI threshold for shedding, which would be uniform across all players of similar type (OL/DL).
    JUst my 2 cents based on this brief information release
    Lots to unpack here and nothing really substantial to guess with.
    Non-simulation could mean anything from some stupid arcade game (which, if we're being honest, is what Madden has become so I don't really get the draw) or maybe something where the actual football takes place off-screen.
    2k's statement about "casual" fans has me really worried that I won't be remotely interested in what they're offering, but "games" in the plural might mean they have more than one property on the horizon. Hopefully it pushes EA to shore up some of the front office, serious aspects of their game that has been so lacking recently, but I doubt it.
    Also might be a chance for 2k to get some up-front cash flow as they investing in building a new football engine because they might later be interested in NCAA games.
    Cubfan
    2K can't make a simulation type of game those right belong to EA until 2021. So all they can make is a arcade style game.

    Did I read the press release incorrectly? My interpretation was 2K's contract only allows them to make arcade-style NFL games for the indefinite future, starting in 2021. You are saying they can make simulation football after 2021?
    sva91
    If 2k was allowed to make a 7 on 7 with full rosters and stadiums, I’d be very happy.
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    I was thinking the same thing! I would take 7 on 7!
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    NINJAK2
    This announcement is both exciting and disappointing at the same time. Only allowing 2k to make some arcade bs will do nothing towards forcing ea to step up their game. EA has cornered the Sim market for 15 years and has done literally nothing to separate itself from NFL 2k5 imo. Missed opportunity NFL...

    We will have to wait and see for what exactly it is for. You making assumptions is premature.
    I hope it is more than that. Im really wanting to get away from EA. Dont even care if the real players names arent in it.
    If i have to wait til 2022 for a simualtion game from 2K, so be it. Im not a annual must have Madden guy. Didnt buy 2020.
    This is definitely a step in the right direction. I still have a lot of questions that need to be answered and will be answered in time but the future is looking bright. We are all finally getting options and just in time for the next gen consoles.
    Even if 2K’s first game is “non-simulated football experience” it puts EA in danger going forward because of the 2K following and people being loyal to the brand and due to the amount of people disappointed in how lazy EA has been with Madden for years now.
    2K has already made EA basicly quit trying to make NBA Live, so no telling what the future holds for the NFL. This is an exciting first step.
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    I feel like a ton of people are setting themselves up for disappointment. This isn't going to be an updated NFL 2k5 to a NFL 2k21 or whatever they're going to call it.
    People should lower their expectations now cause a non-simulation gaming experience is exactly what it means. And it's not good.
    Thanks but no thanks.
    Vercingetirex
    If it's anything like the abomination of nickel and dime crap that nba 2k has become, I think we all will be a little disappointed.
    I hope I am wrong.

    Their VC sucks something awful, but at least there's a great franchise mode behind it. They do with 2k what EA doesn't bother doing with Madden--exploiting the people with time and money to waste on E-sports and MUT-style game modes while still giving the sim-lovers a deep franchise experience.
    Two things are clearly evident based on what I've read so far:
    1. 2k is back with the NFL, but for the time being, only multiple non simulation games.
    2. EA is still producing NFL simulation type games (11vs11).
    Anything beyond that at this stage is pure speculation.
    ALL PRAISE HEAVEN!!!
    I've been waiting for so many years for this to happen and it's finally happening!!! I never thought i'd live to see the day. We can finally buy other football games. I feel like i'm dreaming.
    Competition is good EA. Trust me. Don't be greedy.
    Cool. I loved NFL 2K.
    At the same time, I'm pumping the brakes on this being OMG THE RETURN OF NFL 2K until:
    A - I know exactly what "non-simulation football game experiences" (their quote) entails. That phrase is gonna be doing some heavy lifting in absence of details. For example, does the entire concept of a multiple-season team-management game mode such as Franchise qualify as a simulation football game experience?
    B - We get some indication that the NFL and EA won't just re-up their exclusive agreement involving simulation football games after 2021; and
    C - I find any confidence whatsoever that this game won't be a glorified digital casino. Glaring a hole into Take 2's most popular franchises - NBA 2K20 with its literal slot machines and roulette wheels, alongside Grand Theft Auto V with its literal gambling house - here.
    Rayzaa
    Even if it isn't the real players names, so what? You have made up names as you draft anyways. I'm just hoping for a better game.
    If it wont have a franchise then I won't buy it. Not doing online play only

    It’s not just about names it’s about the type of game it will be. Personally I want a great deep franchise mode where I can develop and progress my team with on field gameplay that’s an updated version of 2k5 and APF. If there’s no NFLPA then there’s no way this game will have any type of franchise mode. The market would be too small to justify it.
    What if they make a game totally based on career mode base or something else completely different? Something like an RPG/Sports game solely based on you’re player or a head coach like game? It may not exactly mean a Blitz style arcade game.
    capnlarge
    "football-themed games" this is definitely a mobile gacha card game.

    I don’t think so. More along the lines of 2k pro am so they can start the 2k NFL League for esports.
    You will be the qb of a team, I’ll be he wr, we have other real life players fill other roles and take on other teams.
    Too much money in it for it not to be done. And the funniest part is I bet EA would like to switch licenses lol
    I think you could argue a Blitz-style game would still be "simulation" for the purposes of EA's exclusivity deal. Probably this will be something where you are not playing games of football.
    capnlarge
    I think you could argue a Blitz-style game would still be "simulation" for the purposes of EA's exclusivity deal. Probably this will be something where you are not playing games of football.

    It’s just really annoying how vague both companies have been. Simulation and non simulation havnt been defined.
    SolidSquid
    It’s just really annoying how vague both companies have been. Simulation and non simulation havnt been defined.

    I've seen simulation floating on Twitter to mean 11 vs 11, I'm not 100% certain that is the proper take.
    SolidSquid
    It’s just really annoying how vague both companies have been. Simulation and non simulation havnt been defined.

    Can't wait for NFL 2Kart!
    This is pretty telling right here:
    Pressed for details on what these “non-simulation football game experiences” would be, Argent said, “Our goal is always authenticity, depth, fun and as it relates to these titles – approachable and social football experiences. We think this is a good opportunity to service a more casual market, and our research shows there’s an appetite for that.”
    Esports and online for the win.
    Offline, not so much
    SolidSquid
    I don’t think so. More along the lines of 2k pro am so they can start the 2k NFL League for esports.
    You will be the qb of a team, I’ll be he wr, we have other real life players fill other roles and take on other teams.
    Too much money in it for it not to be done. And the funniest part is I bet EA would like to switch licenses lol

    This is where my money is at. I'm not sure about the ELeague, but I can totally see archetypes for different positions like the NBA with badges and stuff and people creating multiple "myplayers" and paying out the wazoo for it.
    roadman
    This is pretty telling right here:
    Pressed for details on what these “non-simulation football game experiences” would be, Argent said, “Our goal is always authenticity, depth, fun and as it relates to these titles – approachable and social football experiences. We think this is a good opportunity to service a more casual market, and our research shows there’s an appetite for that.”
    Esports and online for the win.
    Offline, not so much

    Better than nothing
    Mintsa
    It will be the NFL/2K version of NBA 2k’s neighbourhood for 2k21 and then a full blown game in 2k22 along with madden 22 as well.

    Not true.
    Not until EA contract is up and the NFL decides it wants to have more than one sim game.
    Kanobi
    Better than nothing

    I don't disagree, I just wish there was offline verbiage in there.
    I don't go near online and according to 2k and Madden, I don't fit the demographic.
    This is a baby step forward and I welcome it. Now that 2k is back working with the NFL and the exclusive deal is ending soon, I hope 2k could at least get to bid on the exclusive deal. Ideally exclusivity would end and the NFL would open up competition again but I’m not sure they truly want that. We’ll see.
    roadman
    I don't disagree, I just wish there was offline verbiage in there.
    I don't go near online and according to 2k and Madden, I don't fit the demographic.

    Yea it’s hard being an offline franchise player. Its crazy that the whole “sim” verbiage is what football games where back in the day. People like us are basically relics at this point
    LOL why does 2K even need the NFL to make a football game? The NFL doesn't own the sport itself. I've never understood this.
    Just make a football game and add in a streamlined option where people can rename teams, design logos, and customize rosters to make it identical to the NFL....while not officially being an NFL game. But instead we are getting a non-simulation football game from 2K.
    Sounds like it's going to be an NFL version of MyPlayer mode. If they can release a game deeper than Madden's Superstar mode (which isn't that hard) and has better animations, player movement, A.I. and presentation, then they could give Madden serious competition.
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    Hopefully, this is the NFL/NFLPA wanting some form of a partnership in place with 2k prior to the expiration of EA's deal in 2021 so that the transition for 2k to make a full blown NFL2k game is smooth with a pre-estasblished market on next gen systems.
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    First Person Football in NFL2K4/2K5 was a highly ambitious mode but was limited. I was one of its hugest proponents on OS. Im curious if, with all the advanced VR tech available now, 2k revisits FPF under their new NFL partnership. The language in the press release certainly would suggest so.
    This is huge. Finally we will have consumer choice and options again. Hopefully this will cause madden to finally step up and focus on adding some quality my league type features
    I dont think the NFLPA license would be necessary for a "MyPlayer" online game, but for an NFL Playground type of game it would be, I'd think.
    Kanobi
    Hopefully, this is the NFL/NFLPA wanting some form of a partnership in place with 2k prior to the expiration of EA's deal in 2021 so that the transition for 2k to make a full blown NFL2k game is smooth with a pre-estasblished market on next gen systems.

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    I do feel like we will know the true future of 2k Football by the end of 2021. With the EA exclusive deal ending end of 2021 season, the contract will not just lapse. We will know before end of 2021, how things will go. The original deal was announced the December of 2004 and was originally for 5 years. So the initial success of how 2k does, could decide how NFL approaches the license. At the very most, it would lead to an non-exclusive deal. Madden brand is too strong.
    But I agree that vagueness leads to uncertainty. There's the non-simulation aspect, then wanting to have "authenticity and depth", but still wanting to cater to "casual market". Are we looking at a NFL Street, or NFL Playgrounds, or NFL Park, mobile, or a game that blurs the line of non-simulation and simulation. Then EA is coming off like anyone could have did it if they wanted too, which is true. Claiming simulation, then boosting Superstar KO, Esports, and MUT being a big moneymaker, and new ways to play coming. EA hasn't put a emphasis on simulation in a long time
    "Non-simulation" is just legal jargon so that Electronic Arts won't sue claiming the NFL breached their agreement. Best believe this was run by EA sports way before the announcement was made which is why EA's response came so quickly.
    All you Debbie Downers need to knock it off. This is good news no matter how you slice it. While Madden has made improvements every year, their improvements can't justify being the only football game on the market.
    Do I expect NFL2K5 or APF2K8? No.
    But do I expect a game that looks and feel like real football over EA's product? Absolutely.
    It would be nice if they would release a "sim" game that was almost fully customizable. But I'd be dreaming I guess because idk how they would market that.
    :brickwall
    CM Hooe
    C - I find any confidence whatsoever that this game won't be a glorified digital casino. Glaring a hole into Take 2's most popular franchises - NBA 2K20 with its literal slot machines and roulette wheels, alongside Grand Theft Auto V with its literal gambling house - here.

    I think "glorified digital casino" is a bit unfair to say with consideration to the entire game.
    NBA 2K definitely has those elements, but there is obviously still the modes like quick play/myleague that have no microtransactions at all tied to it.
    It'll probably be something like 2K's WWE Supercard game, but with NFL teams. If that's the case, I have no interest. I'm highly suspect the new game will be anything old 2K5 players will want, unfortunately. And the EA deal will likely be extended past 2021 while 2K publishes a crappy side game for the "more accessible" players. Nothing seems to work out for us who have wanted competition for EA for 15+ years. So until there's clear evidence that a game we'd want will be released, I have 0 expectations for anything worthwhile for us sim players.
    If people don't like whatever the result of this is then they can keep on keeping on with Madden. Bottom line for me is it's a start and more options and competition is good for everyone.
    Some of my best sports games experiences were Looney Tunes B-Ball, NBA Jam, Rock the Rink, etc. The older I get the more I just want things to be fun and not require a **** ton of upkeep like worrying about slider sets. My most played football game this year is Retro Bowl on my Google Pixel.
    Maybe EA will at least consider letting creative minds be creative and put some of that MUT micro-transaction money to good use now.
    m29a
    I think "glorified digital casino" is a bit unfair to say with consideration to the entire game.
    NBA 2K definitely has those elements, but there is obviously still the modes like quick play/myleague that have no microtransactions at all tied to it.

    There's almost no way any modern shooter or sports game is dropping with no micro-transactions, shortcuts, etc. It's easy money in the digital age. Take-Two may have some games where it's presented differently, but it's not like other popular sports games don't do it. MUT, Diamond Dynasty, etc. The delivery is just different. The difference to me is at least 2K's other modes aren't suffering as a result. I'm not COMPLETELY sold on this being the case for Madden, but the whole "perception is reality in the absence of the truth" thing comes to mind. It's hard not to feel that way.
    King of Kings
    It'll probably be something like 2K's WWE Supercard game, but with NFL teams. If that's the case, I have no interest. I'm highly suspect the new game will be anything old 2K5 players will want, unfortunately. And the EA deal will likely be extended past 2021 while 2K publishes a crappy side game for the "more accessible" players. Nothing seems to work out for us who have wanted competition for EA for 15+ years. So until there's clear evidence that a game we'd want will be released, I have 0 expectations for anything worthwhile for us sim players.

    I seriously doubt this will be anything like WWE Supercard. This is going to be a legit playable game of football.
    Now what exactly what it will be, not sure. My guess is NFL Street esque. Which would still be pretty awesome.
    Also, this could be a power move by 2K to blow the NFL's doors off with an offer for exclusivity when EA's expires.
    2K and NFL Football in the same sentence for the first time since NFL 2K5 is a beautiful, beautiful thing. A whole generation of gamers have gone from Diapers to High School without experiencing the bliss of NFL 2K5 "in the moment." It's one thing to pop it in now and compare it to Madden 20, but when it dropped in the Fall of 2004...oh man, you had to be there. Especially on Xbox with custom soundtracks and the hard drive to facilitate the full weekly wrap-up show highlights!
    I don't blame any youngsta for doubting, they too young; and old-school Maddenites have had 15-plus years to see their belief shattered that Madden alone in the marketplace is good enough for NFL video game fans. EA had more than enough time to prove doubters wrong.
    Man, 2K, we been waiting a long time for this. I don't think the Suits even understand.
    And don't forget 2K to sell it at full price!!
    Rayzaa
    We will have to wait and see for what exactly it is for. You making assumptions is premature.
    I hope it is more than that. Im really wanting to get away from EA. Dont even care if the real players names arent in it.
    If i have to wait til 2022 for a simualtion game from 2K, so be it. Im not a annual must have Madden guy. Didnt buy 2020.

    They flat out said 2k is licensed to make "non-sim" football games so how is my assumption premature? This would mean they aren't green lit to make a NFL Head Coach type game or any other sim type experience. I really hope I'm wrong but that headline doesn't leave much room for any other interpretation. All I'm saying is a non sim football game won't force EA to improve a.i., physics engine, etc. in their SIM game. EA needs competition in their market in the same way that PES pushes FIFA and vice versa. Happy to see 2k and the NFL connect again and I wasn't saying I wanted 2k to have exclusivity or something. I just wanted them to have the same opportunity as PES , Live..
    Football games without NCAA or NFL tags have a tough time selling so I'm happy 2k got back in the mix.
    Also a non simulation 2K Football game could also mean a Legends NFL 2K game.
    Non simulation could just mean no “current” players on the field, which technically makes it non simulation since they would have all retired players on the field.
    If 2K has the NFL license that means they would also have the NFLPA license which allows them to use the ENTIRE legends pool so instead of being like All Pro Football 2K8 with a few legends and no NFL license, they could be NFL teams with the ENTIRE roster of that team.
    For example instead of just Brett Favre and a bunch of generic players, you’d have an entire 1997 Greebay Packers team with all the real players.
    Technically that’s non simulation because the entire 1997 Packers team are all retired players being revived in a new 2K NFL game.
    12_Adriyel_12
    Also a non simulation 2K Football game could also mean a Legends NFL 2K game.
    Non simulation could just mean no “current” players on the field, which technically makes it non simulation since they would have all retired players on the field.
    If 2K has the NFL license that means they would also have the NFLPA license which allows them to use the ENTIRE legends pool so instead of being like All Pro Football 2K8 with a few legends and no NFL license, they could be NFL teams with the ENTIRE roster of that team.
    For example instead of just Brett Favre and a bunch of generic players, you’d have an entire 1997 Greebay Packers team with all the real players.
    Technically that’s non simulation because the entire 1997 Packers team are all retired players being revived in a new 2K NFL game.

    I don't think this is how it works. I could be wrong, but I don't think just using retired players would qualify the game as non-sim.
    Then you have a whole new can of worms with legends. You would have to get licenses for certain players. There is no all encompassing NFL legends license.
    But I hope you are right, because that would be awesome if they could find a way to do that.
    So we're in a wait-and-see situation. It's exciting that there's some activity with 2K and the NFL but who knows what this will mean. The best-case scenario is that the NFL doesn't renew the exclusive license in 2021 and we've got an open market again and we'll see the true rebirth of NFL2K. It doesn't sound like whatever kind of game we get next fall will be OS' cup of tea.
    12_Adriyel_12
    Also a non simulation 2K Football game could also mean a Legends NFL 2K game.
    Non simulation could just mean no “current” players on the field, which technically makes it non simulation since they would have all retired players on the field.
    If 2K has the NFL license that means they would also have the NFLPA license which allows them to use the ENTIRE legends pool so instead of being like All Pro Football 2K8 with a few legends and no NFL license, they could be NFL teams with the ENTIRE roster of that team.
    For example instead of just Brett Favre and a bunch of generic players, you’d have an entire 1997 Greebay Packers team with all the real players.
    Technically that’s non simulation because the entire 1997 Packers team are all retired players being revived in a new 2K NFL game.

    1)The NFL license and NFLPA license are separate. So having the NFL does not necessarily mean having the NFLPA.
    2)Even if they do get the NFLPA license, retired players or legends still have to be licensed individually since they are no longer part of the NFLPA. That's why we so often had unnamed players on classic teams in old sports games that had full PA licensing, and why NBA 2K's classic teams are missing players.
    12_Adriyel_12
    If 2K has the NFL license that means they would also have the NFLPA license which allows them to use the ENTIRE legends pool so instead of being like All Pro Football 2K8 with a few legends and no NFL license, they could be NFL teams with the ENTIRE roster of that team.

    Couple of corrections:
    1 - The NFL and NFL Players Association are two separate business entities. Via Polygon, 2K has only announced a partnership with the NFL today:
    It’s worth noting that 2K’s deal with the NFL only covers the names, logos, and associated elements for the league and its 32 teams — not the names, images, and likenesses of any NFL players. The two sets of rights are typically handled separately, and indeed, an NFL spokesperson told Polygon that 2K would need to sign a licensing agreement with the NFL Players Association in order to use real, current NFL players in its upcoming video games. A representative for 2K said the company could not comment on whether such a deal was in place.

    2 - Retired players are not part of the NFL Players Association. As far as I know, there is no collective bargaining entity which directly represents the business interests of former NFL players. Their rights currently are negotiated individually, as how each historic player's appearance in Madden Ultimate Team is handled (this is also how each legend was contracted to appear in All Pro Football 2K8 over a decade ago).
    Kanobi
    Hopefully, this is the NFL/NFLPA wanting some form of a partnership in place with 2k prior to the expiration of EA's deal in 2021 so that the transition for 2k to make a full blown NFL2k game is smooth with a pre-estasblished market on next gen systems.

    I do feel like that could be most likely scenario. This could be a situation where NFL wants to see if there is still truly a market for a 2k Football game. NFL could want to see how a 2k Football game fares initially before deciding.
    I do feel the power of social media does help 2k. Social Media could really attract more gamers than normal advertising compared to how it was 10-15 years ago.
    I expect what "non simulation" 2k Football game to be released before Madden. I think the initial 3-5 months would be important for 2k being that the EA deal would be announced before end of 2021
    2K most likely also acquired the NFLPA license in this deal. Most of the time when a license is acquired for a sports league, the players association licensees usually come as a package deal. So I would be surprised if they don't have the NFLPA license.
    Unrelated, but that press release from EA today just oozed of fear and anger.
    PVarck31
    2K most likely also acquired the NFLPA license in this deal. Most of the time when a license is acquired for a sports league, the players association licensees usually come as a package deal. So I would be surprised if they don't have the NFLPA license.
    Unrelated, but that press release from EA today just oozed of fear and anger.

    NFLPA publishes a list of their licensees - https://www.nflpa.com/players/partners-licensees
    There are other NFL licensed games that don't license via the NFLPA also, so maybe not a given. Really depends on the product they're putting together.
    Not sure if this was mentioned, as I skimmed the thread quickly. Does anyone else have concerns that if 2K is very successful with their non-sim game, it could actually make Madden even worse for franchise players?
    Madden has the rights to "simulation" and that seemingly means my favorite mode, franchise. Could we see them ignoring franchise even more (if possible) if the suits get nervous over the 2K sales?
    Hopefully 2K can eventually get the full license and then the full demise of EA Tiburon can be complete.
    PVarck31
    2K most likely also acquired the NFLPA license in this deal. Most of the time when a license is acquired for a sports league, the players association licensees usually come as a package deal. So I would be surprised if they don't have the NFLPA license.

    mestevo
    NFLPA publishes a list of their licensees - https://www.nflpa.com/players/partners-licensees
    There are other NFL licensed games that don't license via the NFLPA also, so maybe not a given. Really depends on the product they're putting together.

    On top of that, I have to believe if 2K agreed to a deal with the NFLPA, they'd have announced that today as well, if for no other reason than that 2K is a publicly-traded company and investors certainly would like to know how the company is spending their money. I suppose a reporter type could and should ask that question at their next quarterly earnings call to get a definitive answer here.
    In the meantime, I think the absence of 2K shouting from the rooftops "we have the NFL and NFLPA licenses" should be read as "we do not currently have both the NFL and NFLPA licenses, only the NFL". Doesn't mean it can't happen, there's a lot of time between now and the release of whatever they're working on, but for today I think we'd all be wise to temper expectations and resist the urge to read between the lines.
    PVarck31
    2K most likely also acquired the NFLPA license in this deal. Most of the time when a license is acquired for a sports league, the players association licensees usually come as a package deal. So I would be surprised if they don't have the NFLPA license.
    Unrelated, but that press release from EA today just oozed of fear and anger.

    I'm assuming it's pretty quiet on the EA grounds today & starting to hear footsteps behind them. While who knows whats going to come out of this, it can be a win win for the consumer.
    As far as simulation football games go, I wonder if 2k has plans on reaching out to the XFL next? I've actually enjoyed watching it so far and that could be a great way to at least get a team together if the NFL doesn't renew with Madden in the future (Although I highly doubt it).
    Balldude777
    As far as simulation football games go, I wonder if 2k has plans on reaching out to the XFL next? I've actually enjoyed watching it so far and that could be a great way to at least get a team together if the NFL doesn't renew with Madden in the future (Although I highly doubt it).

    XFL probably would have been an a great target for a 'non-simulation' football title, so I feel like today's news probably puts a dents in those chances.
    Ironic how 2K should be making the simulation game, and EA Sports should be making the non-simulation game!
    I think 2K will make such a huge impression on the NFL that the exclusive agreement will end at some point and this is the first step toward that. At least there is hope now!
    PVarck31
    2K most likely also acquired the NFLPA license in this deal. Most of the time when a license is acquired for a sports league, the players association licensees usually come as a package deal. So I would be surprised if they don't have the NFLPA license.
    Unrelated, but that press release from EA today just oozed of fear and anger.

    I agree. It really came off as defensive. It's like saying "We're still the only license 'simulation' football option on the market. 2k could have done this a long time ago if they really wanted too." All while boasting Superstar KO and Esports. I could see this statement if this happened a couple years ago where they still had several years left with deal. There saying this with the deal ending at the end of 2021 football season. I do feel there is legit chance the license would go non exclusive
    daflyboys
    I thought that was already goin' on.

    You're right, I almost put that in my post....:brickwall
    Another thing we can look forward to is that now 2K has a reason to work on an updated football engine. They didn't have any reason to create a football engine since 2K8, so that added to the doubt they could still do football. I'm truly excited like the rest of you! :y1:
    PVarck31
    Unrelated, but that press release from EA today just oozed of fear and anger.

    Madden NFL 20 was the third-best selling video game in the United States in 2019, per NPD. The Madden brand is still both a commercial juggernaut and cultural touchstone.
    I honestly don't think EA much cares what 2K announces right now.
    As cool as this news is I don't see any of this affecting Madden now or later. We know this isn't going to be direct competitor to Madden like NFL2K5 was. The NFL and EA have a profitable and long standing relationship. We can gripe about Madden, lord knows I have, but the game is in a good place heading into next gen and it just posted the best sales ever at 8 million units. I think best case scenario is that Madden continues to be Madden and NFL2K essentially becomes the Myplayer equivalent to NBA 2K. Ronnie 2K is on it already. lol.
    https://twitter.com/Ronnie2K/status/1237348436359303169
    I would be more interested in 2K doing XFL game than NFL
    I haven't bought Madden since the PS2 days when It was actually one of the top sports game you could buy with Faulk on the cover... now days Madden isn't even in the top 4 as for sports game every year. FIFA, PES, NBA2K, and MLB the show consistently beat it out every year for the last decade imo.. madden is on the same level as NHL and I would even say NHL is better than Madden as well
    If 2K made an XFL game.. I would buy it no matter what
    if 2K was smart.. they would make a Sim XFL football game and buy that license now
    stevostl

    if 2K was smart.. they would make a Sim XFL football game and buy that license now

    I wonder if theres language in the NFL deal that prevents them licensing with another professional football league? If not then I see no reason why an XFL 2k partnership would be entirely off the table.
    There's a lot of questions in regards to this new deal, specifically what is considered simulation and 'Non-Simulation' from the perspective of what type of game can be released. Would a Football version of MyGM & MyLeague with real teams and custom rosters with amazing depth be considered "non-simulation"?
    This seems more like a career mode type of situation that others have said where your the QB, your friend is the WR, etc. I'm so confused by the wording lol, maybe it's just legal mumbo jumbo 2K has to use in order to not fringe on the EA deal. Now we just have to wait & see what information comes out in the future.
    It does make me wonder if EA will go a bit harder with Madden 21. 'Non-Simulation' opens the door for 2K to make a simulation game in 2022 with the license at EA ending in 2021. With the CHANCE of competition in the simulation front, would EA put more effort into Madden than they normally would? Or stay the course?
    stevostl
    I would be more interested in 2K doing XFL game than NFL
    I haven't bought Madden since the PS2 days when It was actually one of the top sports game you could buy with Faulk on the cover... now days Madden isn't even in the top 4 as for sports game every year. FIFA, PES, NBA2K, and MLB the show consistently beat it out every year for the last decade imo.. madden is on the same level as NHL and I would even say NHL is better than Madden as well
    If 2K made an XFL game.. I would buy it no matter what
    if 2K was smart.. they would make a Sim XFL football game and buy that license now

    Honestly, if 2K were smart, they would have just made a football game that lets you mix and match ‘Collegiate’, ‘Canadian’ and ‘American Football’ rules and settings with true full customization. I think they’ve really been dropping the ball on just how desperate people are for another AAA sim football experience.
    But hopefully they can actually take advantage of this situation unlike they did with APF. I plan to support it as long as it’s not heavily based on online pay to play, but I do hope they bring something unexpected.
    CM Hooe
    Madden NFL 20 was the third-best selling video game in the United States in 2019, per NPD. The Madden brand is still both a commercial juggernaut and cultural touchstone.
    I honestly don't think EA much cares what 2K announces right now.

    Oh I promise you that EA is petrified right now given NBA 2K’s success. You remember NBA Live right? It was Madden back in the day.
    Kanobi
    I wonder if theres language in the NFL deal that prevents them licensing with another professional football league? If not then I see no reason why an XFL 2k partnership would be entirely off the table.
    For the XFL it's the same reason why there's no UFL or AAF game. just because there's a big initial bankroll doesn't mean the league will remain viable long term. With only 800,000 (and declining) people watching games, how can you expect to sell millions of copies.
    Viability aside, I would expect there's complications with rosters, as players move in and out of NFLPA over time.
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    DatsunDimer
    Not sure if this was mentioned, as I skimmed the thread quickly. Does anyone else have concerns that if 2K is very successful with their non-sim game, it could actually make Madden even worse for franchise players?
    Madden has the rights to "simulation" and that seemingly means my favorite mode, franchise. Could we see them ignoring franchise even more (if possible) if the suits get nervous over the 2K sales?
    Hopefully 2K can eventually get the full license and then the full demise of EA Tiburon can be complete.

  2. I don't think we want Tiburon to disappear. The ultimate scenario is two excellent football games being released that push each other to give us better and better games each year.
  3. I think it can go either way about the sim thing... It could push EA to go more arcade-focused, but it could also incentivise them to invest in the simulation part of their game and make it awesome so that they have something 2K can't compete with.

    Ultimately though, I don't see EA caring. Fifa has PES "competition" (if you can even call it that) and they make tons and tons of money every year with FIFA and each game sucks more than the one before it. Even with competition, they see no need to innovate or create a better game. I don't see Madden being different. It will always make tons of money because of the name brand and they will always find a way to make fans of franchise and sim football angry and disappointed.
  4. My guess is "simulation" has a very broad inclusion, maybe even anything that's even 11-on-11 and so on. And yes, the NFLPA is still the other component here.
    Vazione
    Oh I promise you that EA is petrified right now given NBA 2K’s success. You remember NBA Live right? It was Madden back in the day.

    Yeah, I don’t think EA woulda made a statement about it at all as soon as they did if they weren’t concerned. They know they need to start bringing their A-game.
    UFCMPunk
    There's a lot of questions in regards to this new deal, specifically what is considered simulation and 'Non-Simulation' from the perspective of what type of game can be released. Would a Football version of MyGM & MyLeague with real teams and custom rosters with amazing depth be considered "non-simulation"?

    At this point, it could mean pretty much anything and I'm sure there has to be some kind of verbiage in place that dictates the checklist of what the contractual definition of simulation is. It's so open ended that it could be something as simple as 11-on-11 gameplay that includes authentic players on authentic teams in authentic stadiums or it could get much more complicated and strict in regards to gameplay applications, feature sets, etc.
    For example, a football version of Super Mega Baseball 2 wouldn't really be in line with what our definition of simulation is with exaggerated animations and Fortnite-esque graphics but could still fall under the criteria of being simulation in terms of whatever is in place. But it's impossible to say without knowing.
    TheGentlemanGhost
    Yeah, I don’t think EA woulda made a statement about it at all as soon as they did if they weren’t concerned. They know they need to start bringing their A-game.

    There's no denying this didn't light a fire under their *** for sure. NBA 2k has dominated Live to the point where they keep taking it away, bring it back, only to be gone 2 years later. Tiburon is worried
    Seems everyone is jumping to Blitz style thoughts but my expectation is a casual mobile game.
    Regardless of that, this is still potentially huge news. It tells me that the NFL is not fully on board with extending the exclusive license with EA. Even if this agreement is limited and only allows for small games, it reestablishes a business relationship. EA is on notice to step their game up I promise you that.
    I work as a software developer for an outsourcing company (US based). And if my company hears that my client signed a contract with another company to do work similar to mine but on a smaller scale I guaran-damn-tee you I'd be called into my bosses office for a impromptu meeting on keeping the client happy. EA is nervous right now, I'm sure of it.
    And I'm also sure that 2k is using this as an eye on developing a fully featured "simulation" NFL game. This is a declaration of war. I wouldn't even be surprised if right now 2k programmers are laying the groundwork for such a game, so that when the exclusive license does expire 2k can demo what they have for a sales pitch.
    So yeah, we may not see the ramifications until 2 years from now, but this is a very big deal
    drewst18
    I fully believe 2k is going to make an arcade style game and it will still be more sim than Madden.

    This is my only hope right now. We already have madden with superstar abilities, no sense of weight or momentum, and dice roll outcomes. If 2k finds an “arcade” way to do it better I’m ok with it.
    CM Hooe
    Madden NFL 20 was the third-best selling video game in the United States in 2019, per NPD. The Madden brand is still both a commercial juggernaut and cultural touchstone.
    I honestly don't think EA much cares what 2K announces right now.

    They do care. Executives are very sensitive to these types of things. This is not good news for EA.
    Madden was the 3rd best selling game, but what was the second best? NBA 2k20. And now that company just entered business with the NFL? EA cares. A lot.
    CM Hooe

    I honestly don't think EA much cares what 2K announces right now.

    They care. Their statement amounted to some rich but below-average looking guy (I picture Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters) who paid the nightclub owner to be the only guy allowed in the club, saying:
    "Hey, no worries. My deal has always allowed the chicks to flirt with other guys in the parking lot."
    However, this time one of the guys in the parking lot is Jason Momoa.
    Dor everyone claiming EA "dont care" about this,there's a speck of truth but I guarantee if they didnt see a threat why are they not allowing direct competition. Because as behind as 2K are there is NO doubt the following is totally different today compared to 2005. The outlets today would change the narrative. I'm sorry...IMO
    Sent from my SM-G965U using Operation Sports mobile app
    Ok I know this is the new age of Social Media, but I'm a bit surprised that they just ran on ESPN ticker on sportscenter about the NFL deal with 2K being able to make NFL games. I mean it's big for us gamers, but surprised it show up on ESPN's ticker lol.
    I think the NFL knows the leverage they hold. When they signed the exclusive contract it was more than 2k could afford and they made more money than EA and 2K were paying combined.
    Weve finally hit the perfect storm. Exclusive license is expiring. 2k has the money to come after the license next year and I think they have the urgency to do so.
    The NFL can say this is the cost of the license and it will be non exclusive. Worst case in NFL eyes is you don't want to pay it then 2k will. Net neutral for NFL. But most likely both entities pay because they can't afford not to.
    That's my hope anyway.
    ggsimmonds
    Seems everyone is jumping to Blitz style thoughts but my expectation is a casual mobile game.
    Regardless of that, this is still potentially huge news. It tells me that the NFL is not fully on board with extending the exclusive license with EA. Even if this agreement is limited and only allows for small games, it reestablishes a business relationship. EA is on notice to step their game up I promise you that.
    I work as a software developer for an outsourcing company (US based). And if my company hears that my client signed a contract with another company to do work similar to mine but on a smaller scale I guaran-damn-tee you I'd be called into my bosses office for a impromptu meeting on keeping the client happy. EA is nervous right now, I'm sure of it.
    And I'm also sure that 2k is using this as an eye on developing a fully featured "simulation" NFL game. This is a declaration of war. I wouldn't even be surprised if right now 2k programmers are laying the groundwork for such a game, so that when the exclusive license does expire 2k can demo what they have for a sales pitch.
    So yeah, we may not see the ramifications until 2 years from now, but this is a very big deal

    Im really hoping its not a mobile game at all. Just my speculation, but seems more than that. Not saying mobile games don't have a place, but 2K has taken jabs at the Madden console devs in the past. I feel like 2K has been laying in the weeds for far to long. Exciting non the less!

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