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Upcoming 2K Football Game Delayed Until at Least 2022

Back in March of last year, 2K mentioned their ‘non-simulation’ football game would release in 2021, but that doesn’t appear to be the case anymore.

Looking over the latest Take-Two earnings report, a new football game is not listed. It appears the return of 2K Football has been delayed until at least 2022.

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Three sports-oriented games are on tap for Fiscal 2023 and Fiscal 2024, according to Axios’ Stephen Totilo. So, we are likely to see the return of 2K football just ahead of the 2022-2023 NFL season.

Here’s another quote via IGN.

“While we are very excited to once again be working with the NFL and NFLPA, our first title under these new partnerships is no longer expected to be released during fiscal year 2022,” a statement from 2K reads. “2K will have more to share on their plans for our football offerings going forward.”

While 2K partnered with the NFLPA back in July, we haven’t heard much from them since. It appears we will be waiting a lot longer than we anticipated.

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  1. Brutal but I kinda figured it would be delayed with every thing else getting delays due to COVID.
    That being said I hoped off the hype train for this a long time ago. Still interested to see what exactly their multiple games turn out to be
    Makes me wonder if it is just a playgrounds game. Cannot imagine that game would be so complicated it would need a delay unless I am missing something.
    Not too surprised despite them saying a few months ago that they still expected to release this year. Hopefully with the outlook of pandemic looking somewhat positive, normal development can start happening for gaming companies.
    I didn't have high expectations. Just sucks from the standpoint of was hoping there could be a viable alternative football game.
    canes21
    Makes me wonder if it is just a playgrounds game. Cannot imagine that game would be so complicated it would need a delay unless I am missing something.

    Eh. Making games is hard.
    Ignoring the specifics of the game mechanics entirely, we can reasonably agree that 2K's game is most likely one featuring:
    - striking (possibly not photo-realistic) 3D graphics which will impress on PS5 / XBOX Series X
    - motion-captured animations
    - real-time physics calculations when in-game actors collide
    - original foley and licensed library audio for sound effects
    - prominent placement of licensed assets (the NFL teams and NFLPA players) which require third-party approvals
    - either licensed audio for music (which requires more third-party approvals) or original music composed in-house
    - online head-to-head game modes with real-time gameplay (as opposed to turn-based or asynchronous)
    - a live service which frequently delivers new content into the game, and
    - a microtransaction-based in-game economy
    Even with just those things - we haven't even put the specifics of football in that feature set, whatever style you want it to be, much less a season or a franchise mode - you're for sure looking at a two or three year dev cycle and a dev team of at least 100 people, likely more.
    Anyway, I anticipated this game would get delayed in the E3 thread, so this announcement doesn't surprise me at all.
    Kanobi
    Interesting news. This leads me to believe, now more than ever before, that Visual Concepts is behind it.

    That would make the delay worthwhile, IMHO.
    From a business standpoint though, does 2K have to pay for the NFL and NFLPA license for 2021 or can they roll it to 2022? It would be a major hit to pay for a license you don't use for a year.
    Talk about deflating after waiting over 16 years for an NFL licensed 2K football game. A straight Adam Vinatieri kick to the balls, no pun intended.
    CM Hooe
    Eh. Making games is hard.
    Ignoring the specifics of the game mechanics entirely, we can reasonably agree that 2K's game is most likely one featuring:
    - striking (possibly not photo-realistic) 3D graphics which will impress on PS5 / XBOX Series X
    - motion-captured animations
    - real-time physics calculations when in-game actors collide
    - original foley and licensed library audio for sound effects
    - prominent placement of licensed assets (the NFL teams and NFLPA players) which require third-party approvals
    - either licensed audio for music (which requires more third-party approvals) or original music composed in-house
    - online head-to-head game modes with real-time gameplay (as opposed to turn-based or asynchronous)
    - a live service which frequently delivers new content into the game, and
    - a microtransaction-based in-game economy
    Even with just those things - we haven't even put the specifics of football in that feature set, whatever style you want it to be, much less a season or a franchise mode - you're for sure looking at a two or three year dev cycle and a dev team of at least 100 people, likely more.
    Anyway, I anticipated this game would get delayed in the E3 thread, so this announcement doesn't surprise me at all.

    I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think if this was an incredibly dumbed down game akin to NFL Playgrounds that a delay may not have happened. It's purely a guess. This makes me personally feel like the game will have a bit more complex gameplay and be something closer to The Yard in Madden or more, than it is some 3v3 NFL Arcade game that's purely animation based.
    tsbmolina
    Talk about deflating after waiting over 16 years for an NFL licensed 2K football game. A straight Adam Vinatieri kick to the balls, no pun intended.

    If it’s a good game, I’m willing to wait an extra year so they can iron out whatever issues there might be.
    Big Bankhead
    If it’s a good game, I’m willing to wait an extra year so they can iron out whatever issues there might be.

    Exactly! It's been this long since APF 2k8 so what's another year, especially if Visual Concepts is behind the game?
    Either way, whatever they are working on, it's being kept insanely close to the vest. That has me thinking that those of us with low to moderate expectations might be in for a bit of a pleasant surprise.
    My belief is that, 2k has figured out a way to wrestle the arcade specific out of the contRact but it’ll take the following year to be usable.
    So they scraped this arcade game and start working on a Simulation successor to nfl2k5.
    Instead of wasting resource on an arcade style game.
    If this happens remember who said it .!
    It’s is way to fishy .!!!
    I definitely think the nfl & 2k is behind the scenes going back and fourth.
    And they cannot announce the end of the ea exclusive deal until next year .
    48hour records
    My belief is that, 2k has figured out a way to wrestle the arcade specific out of the contRact but it’ll take the following year to be usable.
    So they scraped this arcade game and start working on a Simulation successor to nfl2k5.
    Instead of wasting resource on an arcade style game.
    If this happens remember who said it .!
    It’s is way to fishy .!!!
    I definitely think the nfl & 2k is behind the scenes going back and fourth.
    And they cannot announce the end of the ea exclusive deal until next year .

    Ea already renewed the License for a another 5 years with a 1 Extra year option added
    2k knows arcade not gonna sale much so they taking their time
    Yeah, but look how 2k got. A looophole to using the nfl brand .
    My prediction is they got their foot in and now are attempting to make the nfl re-consider .
    The whole sim exclusive .
    And just allow 2 developers to make any style nfl game . They chose .
    48hour records
    Yeah, but look how 2k got. A looophole to using the nfl brand .
    My prediction is they got their foot in and now are attempting to make the nfl re-consider .
    The whole sim exclusive .
    And just allow 2 developers to make any style nfl game . They chose .

    Are suggesting that, since initially partnering with the NFL and NFLPA for non-sim titles, 2k/Take-Two has been quietly petitioning the league to end its recently extended sim-exclusivity deal with EA...and won...thus the delay?
    48hour records
    It’s is way to fishy .!!!

    There is nothing fishy about the delay at all. The far easier explanation for it is that coronavirus directly impeded 2K's efforts to deliver a market-ready product for the new consoles. This is widely the case across the entire video game industry, as many AAA video game titles for PS5 and XBOX Series X had already been pushed into 2022 well before this announcement.
    There is absolutely no reason to entertain the possibility that 2K will deliver a simulation football game based on currently-known and publicly verifiable information.
    CM Hooe
    There is nothing fishy about the delay at all. The far easier explanation for it is that coronavirus directly impeded 2K's efforts to deliver a market-ready product for the new consoles. This is widely the case across the entire video game industry, as many AAA video game titles for PS5 and XBOX Series X had already been pushed into 2022 well before this announcement.
    There is absolutely no reason to entertain the possibility that 2K will deliver a simulation football game based on currently-known and publicly verifiable information.

    This. This is right.
    I work in product design/development and this is 1,000% what it is. Stop looking into things people lol. It’s the pandemic and it’s a new IP. This isn’t complicated.
    modinidagr8
    Man I hope this game doesn't end up an NFL STREET type deal. I kno I'll pu k it up regardless but this whole "arcade" stipulation is concerning me.
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    Then just move on, this will 100% be an arcade football game. I’m assuming there will be power ups and the like. It’s not what I was hoping for but I’m keeping an eye on it just in case.
    Def turn down your hype meter, this will not be a 2k game like NFL2k or APF.
    I'd love an APF 2K8 type game with just the NFLPA rosters but lacking the NFL team names and logos. With a deep franchise mode, it could be a solid game for simulation gamers.
    They would also do an arcade style game with NFLPA rosters and NFL teams and logos, to take full advantage of both licenses and for the more casual gamers.
    It would be nice to get some idea of their plans at this upcoming E3.
    I’m not sure if this is allowed under 2k’s agreement w the NFL, but I would love to see a classic team only NFL game. I understand the difficulties of so many players may make this impossible, but I’m so jealous of the catalog of teams they’ve assembled for NBA 2k and I would love to see that idea for an NFL game.
    I understand APF was a kernel of this idea, but with players instead of teams, so maybe that’s as close as we’ll get to something like that.
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    TarHeelPhenom
    Maybe they can make Tecmo Bowl 2k22
    A modern day Tecmo Bowl with the same classic gamplay and side scrolling point of view with updated graphics and animations. I would be in Heaven!
    simbayless
    Maybe they want more ps5 homes in 2022
    To make a respectable profit
    I think 2K learned a very valuable lesson with WWE 2K20. They know they can't rush a product the way they did with that game. They have to come out with a game that is as bug-free as possible and that plays in an evolutionary way. Gameplay that although is arcade is unmatched even by Madden. You only have one chance to make a first impression and 2K plans to make a statement with their return to the NFL gaming party. 16 plus years of animosity 2K holds against EA for killing the NFL 2K series gives me high hopes for what 2K has in store. Bring On the Competition!
    modinidagr8
    I wonder if the classic nfl team idea would qualify as non-simulation...being that the rosters aren't current?
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    That’s my question as well.
    This would assume that since it doesn’t reflect what you see on Sundays, then it’s not a simulation. Seems like a very (very) long shot, so I’m not holding out hope, but this is my best case scenario for 2022.
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    beau21
    That’s my question as well.
    This would assume that since it doesn’t reflect what you see on Sundays, then it’s not a simulation. Seems like a very (very) long shot, so I’m not holding out hope, but this is my best case scenario for 2022.
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    Less than a 0% chance of that being a valid hope.
    Jolly Roger
    Yeah, what do they mean by "simulation"? I mean, Madden sure isn't a simulation.

    You can be sure there is a legal definition in the contracts, which will be interesting to learn about in the future. It could be as simple as defining 11 vs 11 as 'simulation' or just not allowing the actual NFL season schedule and playoffs to be used in a game.
    It has to be an objective definition though, not a subjective thing like 'simulation gameplay' the definition of which would vary from person to person.
    https://youtu.be/vVLCLiKj4rE SGO Press Pass
    Interesting if true about 2k. If they were planning to release holiday time frame, that would be a lot later than I expected. I expected them to want to release before Madden, not in the middle of season. I can see NFL wanting 2k to release prior to season to maximize sales and 2k probably wanted to do it as the season is heating up. But, I think the NFL season isn't long enough to release mid-season. Releasing in November, would only really give you 2 months in season and a lot of casuals only play during the season. For me, I always felt that if I wanted to buy Madden, Black Friday would be too late in season to buy it. It's a different thing for me to wait until Black Friday to buy 2k because its still very early in season.
    Also about the ESPN thing. I do think they want a bigger presence in sports games besides just having the ESPN personalities in the game in social media sections. But most sports games now, rather just have their own broadcasts nowadays. 2k pretty much has their own version of TNT broadcast with their personalities. The original EA ESPN deal ended and I always expected them to renew it. I can see ESPN wanting a bigger presence in EA Sports games because outside of a few games, it was mainly used as marketing.
    illwill10
    https://youtu.be/vVLCLiKj4rE SGO Press Pass
    Interesting if true about 2k. If they were planning to release holiday time frame, that would be a lot later than I expected. I expected them to want to release before Madden, not in the middle of season. I can see NFL wanting 2k to release prior to season to maximize sales and 2k probably wanted to do it as the season is heating up. But, I think the NFL season isn't long enough to release mid-season. Releasing in November, would only really give you 2 months in season and a lot of casuals only play during the season. For me, I always felt that if I wanted to buy Madden, Black Friday would be too late in season to buy it. It's a different thing for me to wait until Black Friday to buy 2k because its still very early in season.
    Also about the ESPN thing. I do think they want a bigger presence in sports games besides just having the ESPN personalities in the game in social media sections. But most sports games now, rather just have their own broadcasts nowadays. 2k pretty much has their own version of TNT broadcast with their personalities. The original EA ESPN deal ended and I always expected them to renew it. I can see ESPN wanting a bigger presence in EA Sports games because outside of a few games, it was mainly used as marketing.

    It seems logical from a NFL standpoint. That said, it seems that 2K probably has a better feel from the general gaming perspective.
    NFL2K is still a fairly big deal and a good amount people would play it out of some sense of intrigue/nostalgia/ties to NBA2K.
    So in that sense, it makes sense that 2K would want its own timeframe to release its game without directly competing with Madden. There's very obvious bad blood between the two companies so there was essentially no chance that 2K would release such a poor state game despite one being sim and the other arcade.
    Rocky
    It seems logical from a NFL standpoint. That said, it seems that 2K probably has a better feel from the general gaming perspective.
    NFL2K is still a fairly big deal and a good amount people would play it out of some sense of intrigue/nostalgia/ties to NBA2K.
    So in that sense, it makes sense that 2K would want its own timeframe to release its game without directly competing with Madden. There's very obvious bad blood between the two companies so there was essentially no chance that 2K would release such a poor state game despite one being sim and the other arcade.

    Though I said November wasn't late for me to buy Madden, that was usually because I didn't see myself playing Madden past the NFL season. Football is the sport, where I would play the game past the season if the game was good enough. I like NBA 2k, but not the big enough of basketball fan to play past season though I have watched it more than I ever have past few years. I would buy a good NFL 2K game in November if I felt could at least play it to the draft.
    You don't want to compete with Madden head on. Even in a year with tons of backlash and negativity, Madden still had record engagement and great sales. I always felt it would release a month before Madden. I always felt NBA2k always released too early. I would rather see it release early October at the earliest. I never buy it until close to season tip off because I feel a lot can happen between early September and late October.
    I could see the NFL wanting 2k to release the game before the season and 2k probably wasn't ready, so they pushed it until next year. But, I do see NFL getting their way and 2k release before the 2022 season. 2k will likely stay on the NFL's good side
    Truthfully the 2K game will almost 100% be like the Yard/neighborhood they do in NBA.
    Madden knew they had to drop a mode like that before 2k entered, it also allows 2k to be 'arcade' but still play well enough to get people to convert. It's also the easiest way to get people to shell out serious cash regarding cosmetics and such.
    2k knows in order to pry that license away from EA they need to be able to go 'we can make x amount from an arcade title with a few modes' and push them to opening it back up or giving it to them outright. NFL sharing the license is 100% about putting pressure on EA, they're tired of hearing about the BS and its a corporate way to say put up or shut up.
    I'm expecting an NFL street level franchise mode but I think that's about it. I'm excited for this game and will buy it day one just to have something new to play.
    goosedawg68
    What 2K should do is get on board with the USFL and make a sim football game for that league.

    They can't make a sim game. No matter the league.
    kehlis
    They can't make a sim game. No matter the league.

    They can make a sim non NFL game. EA doesn't hold exclusive licenses over the game of football. 2K just can't make a sim NFL game.
    Will 2K do a sim non NFL game? Probably not though because they wouldn't make much money. They tried it with APF 2k8 and IDK if that sold well.
    zello144
    They can make a sim non NFL game. EA doesn't hold exclusive licenses over the game of football. 2K just can't make a sim NFL game.
    Will 2K do a sim non NFL game? Probably not though because they wouldn't make much money. They tried it with APF 2k8 and IDK if that sold well.

    It sold very poorly, which is why they gave up on it. But, that was the time 2k Sports was dumping all the non-profitable games. They had the exclusive third party license for MLB and couldn't compete with the Show, and they dropped. That was the time, they put their focus primarily on NBA 2k.
    I'm not sure the market is big enough for a non-licensed sports game. Even if the game is good and well-regarded, it won't likely sell well. Causal fans wants to play with players they know. While they're was uproar about EA acquiring Metalhead, if EA Sports can get the MLB license, that would do wonders for the Super Mega Baseball series.
    I just think with the disdain towards Madden and 2k5 nostalgia, it leads to a lot of false hope towards the next 2k football game. It's like a lot are trying to think up loopholes that can allow 2k to create a simulation game. For NFL to open up the sim license, 2k would need to hit the ground running with their new NFL game or they will need EA to not hit the sales Benchmark to unlock the extra year of the contract. Unless it was a unachievable sales mark, Madden will likely hit that number and if Madden hits that number, the chance of the license opens up drops immensely. So, 2k needs to hit the ground running and sale well. So, I don't mind them delaying until next year to get the game right.
    The USFL was a success in the 80’s and would have continued to be so had they not tried to move to a fall schedule and go head to head with the NFL. They won’t make that mistake again.
    With sports betting and fantasy football being so big, there’s no reason to believe it won’t be even better this time around. This would be a great opportunity for 2K to take advantage of the video game side.
    I wonder where 2K5s first person view in an otherwise "simulation" football stands in all this. I fully expect an NFL Playgrounds game or something MyPark centric with maybe 7 on 7 with NFL uniforms. First person games are the standard now though and sports games still havent tackled it yet. I'd love to see if 2K could refine the mechanic and make for something really unique in the sports games space.
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    illwill10

    For NFL to open up the sim license, 2k would need to hit the ground running with their new NFL game or they will need EA to not hit the sales Benchmark to unlock the extra year of the contract. Unless it was a unachievable sales mark, Madden will likely hit that number and if Madden hits that number, the chance of the license opens up drops immensely. So, 2k needs to hit the ground running and sale well. So, I don't mind them delaying until next year to get the game right.

    I think this might have been, assuming I'm hitting anywhere close to the mark, a reasonable strategy for shooting @ a winter launch.
    Yeah, Hype is dying down, but what is Madden selling for during the holidays? IIRC usually it's pretty reasonable. I imagine EA makes most of their cake off of MUT during that time with tons of new cards and promotions as well.
    What is going to be the price point for NFL 2K22? How many people would decide to spend their money on a fresh new NFL product instead of MUT? Could 2K leverage weakening holiday sales to show weakness on EA's part to the NFL?
    I think the gentleman's speculation in the video about the possibility of EA being in the NFL's ear is interesting. It is clearly in the best interest of EA to see what 2K is going to present before or at the same time as their product drops.
    I hadn't heard about the USFL 2022 plans. The XFL is also working toward a relaunch, so how crazy would it be to have TWO spring football leagues in 2022? How much overlap in regards to locations might happen? Is there enough interest for ONE, let alone TWO leagues to survive and thrive?
    I'd like to see at least one of them succeed and get 2K Sports to create a videogame for them. It could be the simulation game the NFL won't let them do.
    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31559189/usfl-relaunching-spring-2022-least-eight-teams
    Thunderhorse
    I think this might have been, assuming I'm hitting anywhere close to the mark, a reasonable strategy for shooting @ a winter launch.
    Yeah, Hype is dying down, but what is Madden selling for during the holidays? IIRC usually it's pretty reasonable. I imagine EA makes most of their cake off of MUT during that time with tons of new cards and promotions as well.
    What is going to be the price point for NFL 2K22? How many people would decide to spend their money on a fresh new NFL product instead of MUT? Could 2K leverage weakening holiday sales to show weakness on EA's part to the NFL?
    I think the gentleman's speculation in the video about the possibility of EA being in the NFL's ear is interesting. It is clearly in the best interest of EA to see what 2K is going to present before or at the same time as their product drops.

    By November, Madden goes 50% off and pretty much stays there. They profit heavily off Microtransactions after then. While November still feels late for me, I wouldn't buy Madden until then unless I'm 100% certain about it.
    Not sure if NFL will allow reduced price at launch just because 2k5 launching at 19.99 was one of the reasons NFL wanted an exclusive license. With most consumers, lesser price means lesser quality. NFL is all about maintaining a premium brand. Lowest, I would se is $50 because that was the trend for Next gen games last year that wasn't grand on scale.
    zello144
    They can make a sim non NFL game. EA doesn't hold exclusive licenses over the game of football. 2K just can't make a sim NFL game.
    Will 2K do a sim non NFL game? Probably not though because they wouldn't make much money. They tried it with APF 2k8 and IDK if that sold well.

    Sadly, that's a negative.
    However, 2K Games’ new deal with the NFL doesn’t mean that it will be able to once again produce a competitor to Madden NFL. The announcement from the NFL and 2K Games makes it clear that the company will produce “non-simulation football game experiences.” Fans hoping for a revival of the NFL 2K series to go along with the popular NBA 2K and WWE 2K franchises will surely be disappointed by that.
    kehlis
    Sadly, that's a negative.

    In context, that's just saying that 2K can only do non-simulation NFL games. Granted, you have to assume they'd want to do an XFL 2K22 or USFL 2K22 simulation football game, but they could without affecting the NFL license terms since those wouldn't apply to non-NFL videogames.
    Nevermind, I just realized you were probably responding about the sales numbers for APF2K8. :)
    VCdolphin
    In context, that's just saying that 2K can only do non-simulation NFL games. Granted, you have to assume they'd want to do an XFL 2K22 or USFL 2K22 simulation football game, but they could without affecting the NFL license terms since those wouldn't apply to non-NFL videogames.
    Nevermind, I just realized you were probably responding about the sales numbers for APF2K8. :)

    Nowhere in the release does it say anything about "non simulation NFL games." That is something that is coming from people who don't want to believe what is says.
    It literally says a non simulation football experience.
    Someone earlier in this thread said it best and I think it was Kanobi but not sure. Our best hope is for 2K to make one great game that get's the NFL to open up the license to some degree.
    The other question is what "simulation" means but the second 2K signed into those licenses with the NFL was the second any hope for a true simulation football game (for any league) went out the window.
    kehlis
    Nowhere in the release does it say anything about "non simulation NFL games." That is something that is coming from people who don't want to believe what is says.
    It literally says a non simulation football experience.
    Someone earlier in this thread said it best and I think it was Kanobi but not sure. Our best hope is for 2K to make one great game that get's the NFL to open up the license to some degree.
    The other question is what "simulation" means but the second 2K signed into those licenses with the NFL was the second any hope for a true simulation football game (for any league) went out the window.

    I agree with that. As much as I want a simulation alternative, I'm not naive and in denial with the situation we are in.
    The best bet is for 2k to make a great game and hit the ground running. If they could put a dent in the market, the NFL will notice. But, I do have my doubts that it will ever open up. I don't think a NFL Playgrounds will sell well despite 2k's brand being better than what it was around the 2k8 era. If 10+ million copies are good sales number for an annual sports game, than maybe if they could hit around 5+ million, maybe that could have an impact.
    But I think the NFL's presence for exclusive licenses, is the main reason I see it not open up. Madden annually sells well and continually sells better each year despite negative press. EA has the pockets to pay whatever the NFL wants. I think EAs deal was a 5+1 extension. Where if they hit the sales benchmark by year 5, it'll unlock the 6th year which would be 2026 I believe. Unless it was an unattainable number, Madden is likely to reach it. If it gets to the point where they get that extra year, there's no reason for NFL to open it unless 2k is putting a serious dent in the football game market. Unless it is a Papa John's situation where they're a blemish on the NFL's brand, Madden's "bad press" isn't an issue when they are very profitable for the NFL
    Another thing you might think is why aren't there more AAA publishers want to get into the sports games market over the past decade or so. Outside of Racing games and PES(Konami), for the American major sports games, it is essentially just EA Sports, 2k Sports, and Sony San Diego as the main AAA sports publishers. The cost of everything as skyrocketed over the last decade plus. It is was a different time in the 6th generation where almost everyone wanted a piece of the pie. The cost of Sports licenses have skyrocketed than what it once was. 2k had a 7 year 1.1 billion deal for the non-exclusive NBA license 2 years ago, which is over $150M a year. Madden agreed to a 5 year 1.5B deal for the exclusive sim license, which is around $300M a year. Not to mention Cost of Development, Marketing, etc. Not too many AAA are willing to invest that much money a year just to get a piece of the pie. We don't know the status of NBA Live. EA can easily afford the NBA License, but with a failed series, it's like burning money to maintain that license for EA. Even if an AAA publisher is willing to invest that type of money, they are starting from scratch. As much as people hate Madden, it would take YEARS just to get to Madden's current level and by then Madden would already be years ahead of them. Midway went bankrupt in 2009, so that ended the Blitz series especially with Netherrealm taking over Mortal Kombat.
    If NFL were to open up the license, it would drop the cost since it wouldn't be exclusive. But, NFL would still want to make more combined than what EA Sports is paying now. So, it'll likely be more than what other non-EA/2k publisher is willing to pay. So, we're likely stuck with just EA and 2k for the NFL and NBA games
    kehlis
    Nowhere in the release does it say anything about "non simulation NFL games." That is something that is coming from people who don't want to believe what is says.
    It literally says a non simulation football experience.

    We might be talking past one another on this. So, to be clear, 2K Sports CANNOT make a simulation NFL football game -per the terms of their deal with the NFL.
    IF 2K Sports decided to create an XFL or USFL football game, could they make it simulation and NOT arcade only? Yes. The NFL deal does not block them from making a simulation football game FOR ANOTHER FOOTBALL LEAGUE (as far as we know anyway).
    Does that mean 2K Sports IS MAKING a simulation football game for the XFL or USFL? No, we have no word on ANY games being make -except for some arcade NFL games.
    One other thought though, in regard to the license costs: 2K Sports could build a simulation football game, just to have one ready in case they get a full NFL license in the future, but they could also use that simulation code on an XFL or USFL game for quite probably free or very little license cost.
    Either one of those spring football leagues would no doubt be excited to have the free advertising that comes with having a videogame on the market. For 2K Sports it would mean getting back SOME of the development cost of that simulation football code.
    VCdolphin
    We might be talking past one another on this. So, to be clear, 2K Sports CANNOT make a simulation NFL football game -per the terms of their deal with the NFL.
    IF 2K Sports decided to create an XFL or USFL football game, could they make it simulation and NOT arcade only? Yes. The NFL deal does not block them from making a simulation football game FOR ANOTHER FOOTBALL LEAGUE (as far as we know anyway).
    Does that mean 2K Sports IS MAKING a simulation football game for the XFL or USFL? No, we have no word on ANY games being make -except for some arcade NFL games.
    One other thought though, in regard to the license costs: 2K Sports could build a simulation football game, just to have one ready in case they get a full NFL license in the future, but they could also use that simulation code on an XFL or USFL game for quite probably free or very little license cost.
    Either one of those spring football leagues would no doubt be excited to have the free advertising that comes with having a videogame on the market. For 2K Sports it would mean getting back SOME of the development cost of that simulation football code.

    That’s not my interpretation but would love to be proven wrong.
    It reads to me like they're only limited from making an NFL Simulation game, but I don't think it really matters in the end. I think the odds of 2k releasing any other football titles outside of the Non-simulation NFL titles is close to 0.
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    canes21
    It reads to me like they're only limited from making an NFL Simulation game, but I don't think it really matters in the end. I think the odds of 2k releasing any other football titles outside of the Non-simulation NFL titles is close to 0.
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    If 2k wanted to do a simulation non-NFL football game, they would have. Realistically non-licensed sports games don't really sell well to the masses. 2k has waited for NFL license to open up in any fashion. 2k Sports put all their eggs mostly in the NBA2k basket. Any sports game that wasn't selling well, they dumped.
    canes21
    I think the odds of 2k releasing any other football titles outside of the Non-simulation NFL titles is close to 0.

    Within that tiny space of probability resides my hope of a sim-style, NFLPA-licensed football title from 2k (Visual Concepts specifically) that features current NFL players but is devoid of the NFL teams, logos, stadiums, etc. Basically, APF on current-gen systems.
    illwill10
    Another thing you might think is why aren't there more AAA publishers want to get into the sports games market over the past decade or so. Outside of Racing games and PES(Konami), for the American major sports games, it is essentially just EA Sports, 2k Sports, and Sony San Diego as the main AAA sports publishers. The cost of everything as skyrocketed over the last decade plus. It is was a different time in the 6th generation where almost everyone wanted a piece of the pie.

    I think it's because the rest of the big publishers are outside of the US and aren't as interested in US sports. Though Konami and a couple of others had games back in the day so re-entering would be difficult since like you said they'd have to start from scratch.
    I'm surprised that Activision isn't interested in licensed sports games. Yes they have COD but yearly sports titles would great for them. Unfortunately they seem to like having all their eggs in one basket with COD.
    simbayless
    Mannnnnnn if only 2k didn't sell 2k5 for 20 bones
    We wouldn't be talking about this lol
    It likely still goes exclusive. The NFL has always been about exclusive deals and one would have to be naive to think the $20 release was the only reason the NFL made the license exclusive. Given that we know the NFL even negotiated with 2k about acquiring the exclusive license before EA got it in the end, it's clear that the NFL was happy enough with 2k to still want to do business with them. If the $20 price really made them so mad they spontaneously decided to go exclusive only moving forward, I doubt 2k even sniffs a chance to acquire the license.
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    canes21
    It likely still goes exclusive. The NFL has always been about exclusive deals and one would have to be naive to think the $20 release was the only reason the NFL made the license exclusive. Given that we know the NFL even negotiated with 2k about acquiring the exclusive license before EA got it in the end, it's clear that the NFL was happy enough with 2k to still want to do business with them. If the $20 price really made them so mad they spontaneously decided to go exclusive only moving forward, I doubt 2k even sniffs a chance to acquire the license.
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    Also if the NFL was mad with 2K then, why would they deal with them now? The NFL sees the #'s NBA 2K is doing, doubling any # Madden has been doing the last few yrs and they want a piece of the growth in sales 2k does to get Madden into more hand for mtx's..
    ElectricAggie
    Has it been confirmed that an NFL 2K game will/will not appear at E3?
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    Nothing as of yet. It depends on how far the game was. With it being delayed to 2022 NFL release window, there's a chance we don't see anything post-Superbowl next year. It would be nice to get a title or some glimpse of information this E3. Take-Two has something on Monday 6/14, but I honestly doubt we hear anything
    You're probably right, but even a teaser would go a long way for setting expectations. Everyone in this thread has their take on what the gameplay could be like. I would think at this point in development that they should have the capability of presenting something that at least shows what they are aiming for. Even if it's 10 seconds long, we'll all pretty much know if it's an APF sequel, NFL Playgrounds, or a card game.
    If they reveal it's some type of card game, at least I'll know that I won't have to keep checking up on this thread for updates ;)
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