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OS Roundtable: The 2K and NFL Are Back Together, What Do You Expect?

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OS Roundtable: The 2K and NFL Are Back Together, What Do You Expect?

The 2K and NFL are back together. Even though it’s just “non-simulation” for now, what do you expect and how excited are you for NFL 2K’s return?

Phil Varckette: I didn’t wake up yesterday and think I would see a notification on my phone that 2K and the NFL have come to an agreement to make NFL games. I almost thought it was a joke. Then I saw it will be a non-simulation game, and my excitement was tempered a bit. However, looking at it a day later, I find myself more and more excited. I feel like 2K will find a way to make this game as sim as possible while still technically falling within the agreement to make a non-sim game. I mean, what is “non-sim” anyway? It’s vague.

Is Madden even sim? It tries to be (and I’m sure it is by whatever agreement EA has with the NFL). But how far can 2K go? Are we talking NFL Street? Blitz? Nothing that’s even 11-on-11? Or maybe a game that plays somewhat realistic on the gameplay front, but adds some ball trails, speed boosts and and huge celebrations. I’ll take whatever I can get at the start because I think this is the first move by 2K to make the NFL an offer it can’t refuse to give us multiple simulation games back.

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Elliott Jenkins: I can only assume the 2K team has waited years to pounce at this opportunity, and I expect them to pull out all of the stops. They have the entire history of sports video games from which to pull inspiration, both in terms of what to do (NFL Blitz, NFL Street, Backbreaker) and what not to do (NFL Tour, the Blitz reboot’s reliance on online multiplayer, even NHL 3-on-3 Arcade). Unquestionably, for player and business purposes alike, they will come out showcasing a quality football title that also serves to show how different it will feel from Madden.

They need to make a statement, and given their reputation and the opportunity, I do not believe they will leave anything on the table. I expect it to be a tremendous collection of anti-Madden features with a buttery smooth on-field performance. Anything less will be a disappointment for quite literally all parties involved, and I just do not see them fumbling the ball here. I am thrilled to see what 2K churns out and cannot wait for more news.

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Matthew Ederer: I don’t expect much, and I’m fairly pessimistic. I hope I am wrong, and believe me when I say I love a good arcade football title. But realistically, what are we going to get here? It won’t be a new Blitz-style game as we no longer celebrate and laugh at concussions. If they make a new NFL Street, sure, that’s cool. It’s not bad. I just wonder, what has 2K done since 2013 that makes you think a new football product will be any good?

Why do we think that 2K still has an NFL 2K in them? And even then, why wouldn’t EA Sports use their punishing, suffocating wealth to retain exclusivity when it comes up in 2022? The world does not need another backyard football game, as cool as it will be to see. Right now, I am rather negative on this. Let’s hope I eat this take later and NFL 2K22 is the greatest football sim ever made.

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Josh Houtz: To say I’m excited to find out 2K is getting back into the NFL game would be an understatement. Until this day, there has not been an NFL game that could compare to NFL 2K5, and while that says a lot about just how great the game was, it makes you wonder why EA has become so complacent over the last 15 years. So, whether it’s a Football Manager-type game or something more arcade-like, any competition is good for the future of NFL video games. And if we learned one thing from the past, it’s that no one can create a real-life representation of the sport like 2K.

I’m not sure what it means long-term. Perhaps EA re-tinkers a bit to spend a little less time on MUT and focus on the core gameplay and franchise mode. But again, having any type of competition is a good thing. What we do know is EA is slowly running out of time on this version of exclusivity. So maybe 2K can’t create an NFL simulation now, but they can begin to slap together the start of something to at least have a chance at the exclusive license when EA’s deal runs out. In the perfect world, we would have two NFL games to play.

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Joel Smith: 2K and the NFL reuniting is something that people have been waiting 15 years to see. The wait was unexpectedly ended with the astounding news that we would in fact being playing NFL football with 2K’s stamp once again, albeit in a non-sim scope (and we also have to see about the NFLPA). I believe this means we should be looking forward to some sort of over the top type of game, think Blitz or NFL Street. My excitement is tempered only due to the fact that the game we’ll receive will be non-sim. Where my true excitement exists is in seeing 2K have the ability to make an NFL game — and the possibility that leads to a 2022 or 2023 return of NFL 2K.

We all remember what happened the last time 2K made a sim NFL game, and we remember how it changed the sim football genre for the last 15 years. 2K now sits in a true two-minute drill to deliver one of the most epic comebacks in sports video game history. Only time will tell if they’ll be able to deliver and live up to the hype and pressure that is now undoubtedly thrown onto the company. Here’s hoping we, as fans, get to reap the rewards of entering into the next generation of sports gaming and being able to experience competition again that gives us the best that football gaming has to offer.

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  1. It's better to have 2K back in some capacity with the NFL than not at all.  I do wonder if the rumors of an XFL game got the NFL to cut a deal with 2K Sports though?  Hard to refuse to give someone any license and also ask them to NOT create a videogame for another football league.  Or maybe the NFL wants to create a bidding war between 2K and EA?  All of the above? 
    In any event, things just got way more interesting in the world of videogame football. 
    Variety is the spice of life, but, this isnt the same 2K from 15 (15!!?!) years ago. hell, its not the same 2K from 5 years ago.  Anything will be better than the incredibly stagnant Madden but my interest in a non-sim football game is almost zero.
    Until we figure out exactly what “non-sim” means, hard to even know.
    I don’t think 2K will take this lightly, this is a huge opportunity and I’m sure it won’t be wasted.
    Until this day, there has not been an NFL game that could compare to NFL 2K5, and while that says a lot about just how great the game was, it makes you wonder why EA has become so complacent over the last 15 years.

    You really put this bile on the front page of the web site?
    TheBleedingRed21
    Until we figure out exactly what “non-sim” means, hard to even know.
    I don’t think 2K will take this lightly, this is a huge opportunity and I’m sure it won’t be wasted.

    On-board with this.. We need more information. Also agree that 2k will take this as seriously as they are allowed to. What I mean by that is, we don't really know exactly what the terms of the agreement are. Are we looking at a situation where they have to keep their distance from the standard football experience, or is it less specific. Obviously we aren't looking at a day 1 madden competitor in terms of "what you see on sunday".. but right now we don't know if we are going to get something like 3 on 3 nfl blitz, or maybe something we can work with like a backbreaker sort of game.
    I see way too much hype. We know literally nothing at this point besides it won’t be a “sim game”.
    3 on 3, 5 on 5, 7 on 7 isn’t football to me. I’m also not looking for a casual experience.
    Is it really gonna be a 2k if it doesn’t have tiered play calling on defense? What made 2k great was that it was real football while madden was video game football. Are they just going to give us a shell of 2k?
    Also everyone is so hyped up about the exclusive deal ending in 2021, but this has happened in the past and EA renewed it.
    I for sure will be checking here every day for some news on what they are going to give us.
    I would hope that it's essentially the Super Mega Baseball of the NFL. Take 2K's football engine, but make cartoony versions of the NFL players to get around the "sim" label. The game would play as a realistic version of football, but the visuals would keep it from being full-on simulation football.
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    ElectricAggie
    I would hope that it's essentially the Super Mega Baseball of the NFL. Take 2K's football engine, but make cartoony versions of the NFL players to get around the "sim" label. The game would play as a realistic version of football, but the visuals would keep it from being full-on simulation football.
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    I would be completely happy if this is the case. Absolutely love SMB (played it last night actually). The core gameplay itself is a ton of fun and plays like a baseball game. It just doesn't look real, and therefore isn't "sim".
    ElectricAggie
    I would hope that it's essentially the Super Mega Baseball of the NFL. Take 2K's football engine, but make cartoony versions of the NFL players to get around the "sim" label. The game would play as a realistic version of football, but the visuals would keep it from being full-on simulation football.
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    While that concept sounds ideal in this situation, I'd imagine they are working with the NFL per the deal they have arranged, just like EA does. It may not be as simple as "bending the rules" to get as close as possible, if the agreement turns out to be, in simple terms, "stay away from the simulation experience all together".
    Maybe I'll pick it back up later, but this lost me at the first 'Is Madden even sim?' response. Was hoping for a serious discussion rather than just rehashing the rose-colored glasses kool-aid bath that discussions around this topic have become.
    I get the desire for optimism, but there's a pretty big vacuum with regards to any objective discussion about what this could be.
    mestevo
    Maybe I'll pick it back up later, but this lost me at the first 'Is Madden even sim?' response. Was hoping for a serious discussion rather than just rehashing the rose-colored glasses kool-aid bath that discussions around this topic have become.
    I get the desire for optimism, but there's a pretty big vacuum with regards to any objective discussion about what this could be.

    I know you are talking about me, so let me clarify my statement.
    As I said, Madden tries to be sim. The question of is it sim isn't easy to answer in my opinion. There are a lot of things in Madden that just don't make it a complete simulation. The challenge system is broken, there are huge issues with AI, play calling is limited as far as setting up tier's for the defense, player progression could be better. Among other things.
    Anyway, what I said is not bashing Madden. I like Madden It's a solid game of football. But in just my own opinion, I don't think the game is as sim as it could be.
    I dismissed it as soon as I saw "non-simulation". And I'm shocked folks are this excited. What made 2K great was it's SIMULATION of football.
    Even if it WAS sim, it's been too long for me to care anymore - I was one of the first people with a copy of 2k8 (which was in 2007) and that was cool and I played it alot, but that was 13 years ago - 14 by the time anything 2k comes out. 2k5 was my fav football game for sure... BUT...
    Too little too late, EA screwed an entire generation out of videogame football options. Madden was never my cup of tea and I did give it multiple chances - I think I bought 3 over the years.
    I also think most major sports have hit a wall when it comes to videogame representations. I think the bar is moved less and less each year for each franchise. So with this in mind I'm actually guessing I won't even care - sad but true.
    Finally, I actually lost love for the NFL around I think 2012? I think that's when the passing became overstated and you had mid-tier QB's smashing Dan Marino's record for passing yards in a single season and have the death of star RBs (for the most part) and FB's largely extinct. It's a different game now, and one I'm not really that into and therefore not into simulating pro football in it's current state either.
    This is how I see 2k flourishing. This is my very high standard speculative list of game ideas..
    Non-simulation I'm assuming is pretty much using current player likeness and the nfl schedule for the calendar year. Ect ect
    If they are able to make an 11-11 game.
    I imagine a hybrid of All Pro football
    - legends included
    - a robust and very deep badge/ability system (Bronze- hall of fame )
    - MYTEAM ( create your team of legends with ability to use nfl logos and jerseys.. stadiums?? Rather than created generics
    So now you have a card(unlockable) player draft team builder.
    2k is HUGE into Historic teams look at the NBA 2k library
    So you have matchups like 04 randy moss going up against Atlanta Prime time deion sanders with Indy peyton manning..
    So many legendary players and era's.
    You hopefully should be able to use NFL history and fan apparel for in game immersion.
    Online my team matchups kinda like diamond dynasty and MUT & MyTeam
    Then there is the beast of MY player!! Where they could have you go through a very deep robust story mode of building your character up in Hope's to make it to the NFL
    Where you have mini games, camps' combines and play a career in an APF style universe
    With a spin off like MyCamp (ThePARK)
    Where a bunch of other footballers have their players and can decorate them. Give tattoos, run 7-7 or 5-5 pick up games in a football mega park center
    Even have weight room for you to build up your guys athleticism.. badge grinding for Mossed badge or hitting the weight room for a edge power rusher..
    As football fans it would be similar to nba 2k..
    I can only dream they come up with something like this.
    Maybe even sprinkle in first person football.
    2k has so many tools to make a mega game experience for football whether they incorporated it in 2004,2008 or other games are currently flourishing off of NON sim concepts..
    Even a play now with the 1998 packers vs the 2001 Buccaneers would be amazing.
    Uniforms and stadiums respective for their times..
    One can hope!!!!
    2K football we have prayed for you!
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    I expect a simulation of football and not a simulation of the NFL. Essentially, I expect 2k NFL Ultimate team, and what's great about that is innovation. Without a competitor all these years EA hasn't had the incentive to innovate, but 2k obviously will have to which will force EA's hand. Necessity is the mother of invention.
    Honestly though, this is just speculating, but I expect a free to play type my career and my card game whatever it’s called. Basically along the lines of mobile games simply made to take in the cash. The NFL sees how much money that makes, and 2Ks current business practices and wants in. I know it’s a cynical take, but that’s how I feel about 2K and the NFL these days.
    JayhawkerStL
    He can't have his opinion challenged?

    I wouldn't call it a challenge. Raising the level of debate is challenging his opinion.
    I don't have a problem if CM disagrees with Josh. I'd prefer to have learned what CM felt what game(s) have been better and why. Without any additional information from his one-sentence response, I'm only left to wonder and speculate.
    I don't want to derail this thread into a completely different topic. I realize there are other threads for that. So, I'm just going to stop now.
    I expect future "potential" competition for both Madden and 2K to make better future Football games which would be a win/win for both the NFL and us consumers.
    Calling it bile isn't challenging it

    Exactly. In the madden forum he'd be all over anyone posting that nonsense. Yet he has to find a way to pollute this forum too.
    CM Hooe
    You really put this bile on the front page of the web site?

    The guy you're responding to is 100000 percent right.
    Thanks for polluting this forum with your bile.
    I don't think i'd expect much at this point. I wouldn't even expect 2k21 to be any good. They're getting about a year and half to develop a football game. I don't know if they have an engine or not, but I would guess that it's going to be very bare-bones if they don't.
    For me, the beauty of this is NOT knowing what to expect. It's been a LONG time since I've been this excited about the future of football gaming.
    CM Hooe
    You really put this bile on the front page of the web site?

    I think the sun will go supernova before you see a criticism about Madden that you don't vigorously attack. :duel:
    I get it though. I'm the same way with my brother's studio's upcoming game (although his game is the physics based one of the two coming to the market this year, so I feel like my bias is justified. Physics >> canned animation)
    2K is known for its immense depth so even though it says "non-sim" I am hoping they make a Head Coach/GM game. Maximizing on franchise depth, customization, and presentation.
    I have zero interest in arcade football and it would be a waste of 2K's talents. My 2 favorite football games of all-time are by far, 2K5 and NFL Head Coach '09, merge them, update them, and give us franchise geeks the game we've been longing for.
    There was something I saw that I thought implied multiple series’s were being made. But I would love for them to just make a very in depth “manager” game, basically NFL Head Coach. They can show off potential gameplay we can see in a future NFL sim game along with the depth of a franchise we can expect from an all out sim NFL game.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Until we figure out exactly what “non-sim” means, hard to even know.
    I don’t think 2K will take this lightly, this is a huge opportunity and I’m sure it won’t be wasted.

    See... I am an old school gamer. I want to pop in the game and play franchise mode and nothing else. I don't care about "be the GM mode where I can only assemble the game but not play." I don't care about "be the player" mode where I have to go shopping for an apartment and figure out how to decorate my apartment. I don't care about being drafted and having to meet challenges blah, blah, blah. I just want to build the team and play with the team I build.
    Hence, my extreme reservation of this "non sim" game.
    Now that we know Take Two's SABER INTERACTIVE is tied up with WWE now, is it safe to assume that 2K SPORTS have some serious man power working on the next NFL 2K and it will not be NBA PLAYGROUNDS alike?? Bet your *** it is...:computer:
    AUTHENTICNFLNBA
    Now that we know Take Two's SABER INTERACTIVE is tied up with WWE now, is it safe to assume that 2K SPORTS have some serious man power working on the next NFL 2K and it will not be NBA PLAYGROUNDS alike?? Bet your *** it is...:computer:

    I mean, we still know absolutely nothing. Lots of theories, but to claim anything is set is kind of silly.
    JayhawkerStL
    I mean, we still know absolutely nothing. Lots of theories, but to claim anything is set is kind of silly.

    I agree it’s too early to set anything in stone. A NFL Playgrounds would seem like it would fit the “non-simulation” bill lol. But I’m not really getting into speculation games because we literally have no idea of what NFL will allow.
    I think the earliest time we find out what NFL 2k is the the June IGN digital conference. I do think since 2k is involved and all other major events are canceled for summer, I do think 2k will finally reveal what the project will look like. That would be the perfect time since it would essentially be a year out from it releasing. We are like 5-6 weeks away from the IGN digital event since it is taking the place of E3. So we could be 5-6 weeks away from finding out what the project will be
    Sadly I expect money to continue to rule the sports gaming world for a long time. Madden signed the exclusive deal with NFL because it wanted no parts of competiting with 2K. 15 years ago, 2K made a better game than this years Madden IMO.
    mestevo
    I don't expect to hear anything about his game until next spring.
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    I can see that as well. I think we hear about it either this summer or next spring nothing in between. I said this summer just because I don't really see them revealing this partnership in early March and going dormant for a year before saying anything else. Even when I say this summer, I'm just thinking some thing small. I see a small preview of what the direction of the projects will be. I'm not expecting deep dives and core aspects until after Superbowl. But I just don't see them going dormant for a year without saying anything at all.
    illwill10
    I can see that as well. I think we hear about it either this summer or next spring nothing in between. I said this summer just because I don't really see them revealing this partnership in early March and going dormant for a year before saying anything else. Even when I say this summer, I'm just thinking some thing small. I see a small preview of what the direction of the projects will be. I'm not expecting deep dives and core aspects until after Superbowl. But I just don't see them going dormant for a year without saying anything at all.

    IMO you announce the project so you have some control of the related PR rather than it leaking via job postings, NFL, NFLPA, or Take Two public or financial disclosures.
    JayhawkerStL
    I mean, we still know absolutely nothing. Lots of theories, but to claim anything is set is kind of silly.

    illwill10
    I agree it’s too early to set anything in stone. A NFL Playgrounds would seem like it would fit the “non-simulation” bill lol. But I’m not really getting into speculation games because we literally have no idea of what NFL will allow.
    I think the earliest time we find out what NFL 2k is the the June IGN digital conference. I do think since 2k is involved and all other major events are canceled for summer, I do think 2k will finally reveal what the project will look like. That would be the perfect time since it would essentially be a year out from it releasing. We are like 5-6 weeks away from the IGN digital event since it is taking the place of E3. So we could be 5-6 weeks away from finding out what the project will be

    mestevo
    IMO you announce the project so you have some control of the related PR rather than it leaking via job postings, NFL, NFLPA, or Take Two public or financial disclosures.

    Exactly!!! It's as clear as day what's happening if you just look at what they've actually done so far... Ronnie2K pulled out all stomps before announcing that tweet!! Read between the lines.. For the two guys that seem to believe these FACTS are silly to think as of right now, you're the guys who haven't smelled the roses yet.. There's clear cut evidence in the world that clearly shows TAKE TWO, VISUAL CONCEPTS AND 2K SPORTS are prep working for something huge!! EA despise it..:wedgie: Guaranteed to see some VISUALS on the the project once new console are announced!! How silly does that sound to you? Mark my words...
    mestevo
    IMO you announce the project so you have some control of the related PR rather than it leaking via job postings, NFL, NFLPA, or Take Two public or financial disclosures.

    I agree with that. It is better to control the narrative. I'd imagine that deal was already in place for a while. But with how easy and frequent leaks come , it is better to reveal it on their own terms.
    I think that since it would be likely that whatever they release will happen around July-August, I don't see them waiting until 3-5 months to start the hype train.
    They said it’s a deal for multiple titles. It takes years of development to put everything people expect in a sports game. I see them starting with an NFL version of 2k playgrounds. Ultimate team type game with historic game players or modern day if they can get NFLPA rights. Then introduce a franchise mode when the exclusive deal is up and they can get an agreement that allows simulation football.
    The timing just works. They can build a game of the non-sim modes to sell first and then add simulation when it doesn’t break the EA deal. 2k21 or 22 would be the true return of 2k football ala 2k5.
    I’m as excited as I’ve been in years because it honestly looks like exclusive NFL rights are coming to an end imo and that’s a win for all gamers. Even if Madden is your game of choice, less budget money spent on licenses means more money available for development if that’s where EA chooses to spend it.
    I still think the most logical interpretation based on what we know and not what we hope, is that they will roll out a new 2K8 with legends AND current day stars, add in a competitive card game element, and just print money.
    We know it can't be an NFL Simulation. That might mean bizarre rules and arcade. But if you lack an NFL schedule, you can't simulate the NFL season. But we know that there is an NFL license of some sort. But I don't think bizarre rules and get the money guys excited. But MUT and MyPlayer sure do.
    In my view, the best-case scenario is that they include single-player modes, including a season, maybe multiple seasons, but no way to edit it to become NFL-like. I'm hoping that they will also include a way to do an online league of 4-12 (or more) people, with no CPU teams.
    As for those dreaming up conniving ways for 2K to make a game more sim, you have to understand that all three parties had to negotiate this in some way or another. EA has a contract, and they aren't going to let the NFL just break it to add competition. But the NFL will find a way to allow 2K and EA to occupy different spaces, and are not going to let either slide into the other's lane. It's a quick way to lose a license.
    Had EA not released that they are sole home of NFL simulation football, I could see believing that 2K might be the sim and EA the arcade game. I mean, I think calling 2K5 a sim is stretching credulity. But then, I come from a time that no sports sim gamer in their right mind would consider a game with a controller a sim.
    At this point, sim really only means having a licensed league, players, teams, and true to life schedule. How the game produces results, and how accurate those results are, seem tougher to define. I think it is foolish to assume that EA let the NFL grant competition without guidelines they all agreed to.
    kjcheezhead
    They said it’s a deal for multiple titles. It takes years of development to put everything people expect in a sports game. I see them starting with an NFL version of 2k playgrounds. Ultimate team type game with historic game players or modern day if they can get NFLPA rights. Then introduce a franchise mode when the exclusive deal is up and they can get an agreement that allows simulation football.
    The timing just works. They can build a game of the non-sim modes to sell first and then add simulation when it doesn’t break the EA deal. 2k21 or 22 would be the true return of 2k football ala 2k5.
    I’m as excited as I’ve been in years because it honestly looks like exclusive NFL rights are coming to an end imo and that’s a win for all gamers. Even if Madden is your game of choice, less budget money spent on licenses means more money available for development if that’s where EA chooses to spend it.

    NOPE!!! The timing does not work... The game has a foundation which means it's already in a presentation state!:computer: I say that to say this, shareholders are well aware of what's coming and if you look closely, you'll see the changes! There's no way in hell TAKE TWO spends a nickel on something other than a mobile free2play game with micro transactions or an console release worthy of pulling in significant revenue over those years agreed upon! EVERYBODY REALLY NEEDS TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT NON-SIMULATION MEANS IN THE GAMING INDUSTRY!!! When I tell you that 2K SPORTS will push the envelope this time with their football series, you better believe it's not gonna be some teeny bopper pew pew mode of a game!! That's a FACT!!
    JayhawkerStL
    I still think the most logical interpretation based on what we know and not what we hope, is that they will roll out a new 2K8 with legends AND current day stars, add in a competitive card game element, and just print money.
    We know it can't be an NFL Simulation. That might mean bizarre rules and arcade. But if you lack an NFL schedule, you can't simulate the NFL season. But we know that there is an NFL license of some sort. But I don't think bizarre rules and get the money guys excited. But MUT and MyPlayer sure do.
    In my view, the best-case scenario is that they include single-player modes, including a season, maybe multiple seasons, but no way to edit it to become NFL-like. I'm hoping that they will also include a way to do an online league of 4-12 (or more) people, with no CPU teams.
    As for those dreaming up conniving ways for 2K to make a game more sim, you have to understand that all three parties had to negotiate this in some way or another. EA has a contract, and they aren't going to let the NFL just break it to add competition. But the NFL will find a way to allow 2K and EA to occupy different spaces, and are not going to let either slide into the other's lane. It's a quick way to lose a license.
    Had EA not released that they are sole home of NFL simulation football, I could see believing that 2K might be the sim and EA the arcade game. I mean, I think calling 2K5 a sim is stretching credulity. But then, I come from a time that no sports sim gamer in their right mind would consider a game with a controller a sim.
    At this point, sim really only means having a licensed league, players, teams, and true to life schedule. How the game produces results, and how accurate those results are, seem tougher to define. I think it is foolish to assume that EA let the NFL grant competition without guidelines they all agreed to.

    Hell if it is like 2k8 with next gen graphics, improved locomotion/physics, and added animations, I would put away $65 right now lol.
    I do agree that it doesn't have to mean over the top arcade gameplay. Unless it is NFL Playgrounds, It doesn't matter how over the top it is, you are still simulating football in some fashion. So like you said, it could be a situation where they can't simulate a NFL season/off-season. So my dream scenario would be a modern more customizable 2k8. Even though the game couldn't simulate NFL season structure, it would have added depth for replayability
    I do agree that along with NFL, EA had guidelines to what 2k is allowed to do. But at the same time, I don't see them creating a over the top arcade game when it seems like the exclusive sim license could end the very same year it releases. Madden's is up after the 2021 season and the deal will be decided before 2021 ends. So i can see 2k building a engine like 2k8, while in background building a MyLeague that can be ready by 2022.
    The direction of Take-Two Interactive seems clear now, they want a simulation and arcade version of every 2KSPORTS title. Subsequently creating two revenue streams.
    Visual Concepts (Simulation)
    NBA 2K
    NFL 2K
    WWE 2K
    Saber Interactive (Arcade)
    NBA 2K Playground
    NFL 2K ___ground
    WWE Battleground
    what 2k is banking on is, game-play mechanics and features.
    They can release an NFL arcade game with better mechanics, animations, and features than EA.
    they could potentially release an NFL game with the old NFL2k5 and APF2k8 mechanics/animations and update the graphics with SMB type graphics, give it some light heart-ed play by play and a multi season/franchise mode. IMO, that would fall under the category of arcade.
    it doesnt have to be over the top, tackles or quirkiness for it to be arcade.
    In addition, the basic gameplay rules for football arent owned by the NFL, are they? College football, HS football, and countless of other leagues use the same basic rules for football.
    tril
    what 2k is banking on is, game-play mechanics and features.
    They can release an NFL arcade game with better mechanics, animations, and features than EA.
    they could potentially release an NFL game with the old NFL2k5 and APF2k8 mechanics/animations and update the graphics with SMB type graphics, give it some light heart-ed play by play and a multi season/franchise mode. IMO, that would fall under the category of arcade.
    it doesnt have to be over the top, tackles or quirkiness for it to be arcade.
    In addition, the basic gameplay rules for football arent owned by the NFL, are they? College football, HS football, and countless of other leagues use the same basic rules for football.

    I think SMB is the path to better sports games. That game, on the field, is as strategic and deep as The Show. But it does not get weighed down in realism. Instead, they dove deep in mechanics and tuned the game to just play really fair.
    I would love an SMB take on all the other sports.
    cedwebb
    https://apple.news/ApXmYxEjQT6-Vojso-1ZCiA
    This is an article I just read. Seems to clarify more
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    Thanks for sharing that,
    Some takeaways:
    They speculate what "simulation" gaming means but they don't know anymore about the agreement then anyone here so It's really t:he same thing we've been doing.
    Found this interesting and pretty believable:
    EA, which downplayed the announcement in a press release, is unlikely to give up its exclusivity on simulation games anytime soon, either. Its current agreement with the NFL and NFL Players Association (which Take-Two did not announce a deal with) is set to expire in 2022. And both Pachter and Niko Partners’ Daniel Ahmad expect the deals to be renewed.

    Not so sure about this one:
    Getting fully back into the NFL simulation game would be extremely expensive for Take-Two. One of the chief expenses in sports games is the cost to render the players’ likenesses-in other words, to create lifelike animated facial models, which give in-game players a photo-realistic appearance. Take-Two would have to start from scratch to build that database.
    kehlis
    Thanks for sharing that,
    Some takeaways:
    BB
    They speculate what "simulation" gaming means but they don't know anymore about the agreement then anyone here so It's really t:he same thing we've been doing.
    Found this interesting and pretty believable:
    Not so sure about this one:

    Man... Pachter hasn't gotten a leak right since 2013 and when it comes to sports games, you'd really be grabbing! The guy knows nothing.. Especially with everybody being shut down due to the epidemic, id be willing to call him a liar flat out on this one!! NOPE!!!
    To think that the NFL said and I quote " They're looking to expand/push the envelope " debunks that theory and on top of that, TAKE TWO has already set the tone that they are looking for a piece of that action.. The NFL will not have an exclusive license for sale come late 2021!! Anybody will be able to make a football game on the grounds of their guidelines and of course their bank books! EA SPORTS is not handcuffing a thing this generation!! Too much potential!! Tell Micheal Patcher to re-read that NFL tweet!! Nope!!
    AUTHENTICNFLNBA
    Good find Stevo... Just wait!! When the doubters and naysayers catch a whiff of that next gen 2K FOOTBALL, just go by your MADDEN 21 and stfu!! This deal was HUGE!!:y16: NON-SIMULATION IS A STRETCH!!! Ask MEGATRON :headbang2
    Doubters and naysayers are open to any quality game, the competition has largely just declined to compete or was not supported enough to be viable.
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    I am kind of surprised that they didn't formally announce the NFLPA 2K deal. I guess after the new CBA was agreed on, they quickly and quietly got the deal done.
    I just hope that in some fashion reveals what the projects are this summer. Hooefully at the IGN digital event in June, 2k can make an announcement on it. It would be with 12-14 months away at that point.
    JayhawkerStL
    I think SMB is the path to better sports games. That game, on the field, is as strategic and deep as The Show. But it does not get weighed down in realism. Instead, they dove deep in mechanics and tuned the game to just play really fair.
    I would love an SMB take on all the other sports.

    100% agree and it's why I'll support Metalhead this year again! My true sports dream would be to see them make a game for all of the "big 4" sports and more! Such a great game with a ton of customization options. Truly a perfect balance between "realism" and fun!

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