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NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

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NBA Live 20 Delayed Until Late 2019 as Team Plans a Different Approach

It’s official. NBA Live 20 has been delayed. The writing was on the wall a couple of weeks ago, when EA released a roster update for NBA Live 19. Roster updates, after the season has completed, typically don’t happen with NBA games (or sports games in general), as they are usually updated in the next iteration (IE: NBA Live 20, NBA 2K20, Madden NFL 20, MLB The Show 20, etc.).

Today EA confirmed with Polygon, that NBA Live 20 has been delayed until late 2019, stating they are planning a different approach to NBA Live this year, and will have more to share in the quarter ahead.

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  1. I was looking forward to playing it at release. But this isn't surprising. The roster update was the nail in the coffin. No way they were going to wait this late start marketing the game.
    I can see a November or December release. Hopefully they can figure out what they need too. But this has to affect next year. With the game being delay, it cuts into next year's development. So I can definitely see them putting focus into next gen if they decide to continue
    I don't mind them taking more time to make this game better. I thought they were heading in the right direction. NBA Live 19 was a solid basketball game imo. It was fun to play and had some innovative features and gameplay.
    I agree with illwill, i can see them putting focus into next gen since we are about 2 years from the next gen consoles. 
    Peter_OS
    I don't mind them taking more time to make this game better. I thought they were heading in the right direction. NBA Live 19 was a solid basketball game imo. It was fun to play and had some innovative features and gameplay.
    I agree with illwill, i can see them putting focus into next gen since we are about 2 years from the next gen consoles.*

    *16-17 months from next gen consoles.
    That brings up the question whether Live tries to release at next gen launch like the other sports games, or wait until following year. We can pretty much pencil in the other major sports games to release next gen version at or shortly after launch next year. But I'm not sure about Live
    illwill10
    I was looking forward to playing it at release. But this isn't surprising. The roster update was the nail in the coffin. No way they were going to wait this late start marketing the game.
    I can see a November or December release. Hopefully they can figure out what they need too. But this has to affect next year. With the game being delay, it cuts into next year's development. So I can definitely see them putting focus into next gen if they decide to continue

    At least they announced a plan
    I might also disagree with the cuts into development because they might be going full in w next Gen and gonna mail in some slightly updated "different approach" game, so basically the opposite of what you said. But id still play it. It does kinda suck to wait but we'll see when it actually drops.
    -Smak
    illwill10
    I was looking forward to playing it at release. But this isn't surprising. The roster update was the nail in the coffin. No way they were going to wait this late start marketing the game.
    I can see a November or December release. Hopefully they can figure out what they need too. But this has to affect next year. With the game being delay, it cuts into next year's development. So I can definitely see them putting focus into next gen if they decide to continue

    Maybe at this point they should just simple do 20 and then focus on 21 for next gen and not even do a 21 on ps4 and xbox one. Interesting that this is happing though and yeah does suck but at least we got some kind of news. Hopefully we will get updates over the next few weeks and month or so.
    I wonder if we will get a few more small updates on 19 while they work on 20. Maybe they will release a update with rookies or something at least. I wonder if they should release a beta really soon and listen to feedback on it so that way they have the extra time to listen to feedback before 20 comes out now that 20 is comming out later then normal.
    Good. Get as far away from 2k as possible. Release it when the season starts when the hype for the NBA is in full force.
    Excited to try this out with EA Access whenever it releases.
    Smallville102001
    Maybe at this point they should just simple do 20 and then focus on 21 for next gen and not even do a 21 on ps4 and xbox one. Interesting that this is happing though and yeah does suck but at least we got some kind of news. Hopefully we will get updates over the next few weeks and month or so.

    I agree. Thats what they should do. Release 20 late this year, continue to fix and add stuff/events through next summer, and have updated Free Agency rosters like they just did. All while fully focusing on next gen for launch
    Smallville102001
    I wonder if we will get a few more small updates on 19 while they work on 20. Maybe they will release a update with rookies or something at least. I wonder if they should release a beta really soon and listen to feedback on it so that way they have the extra time to listen to feedback before 20 comes out now that 20 is comming out later then normal.

    If EA releases an update with rookies on 19, you might as well kiss 20 goodbye. I wonder if different approach could mean EA dropping the NBA license all together and just focusing on the Live Run/street ball type modes? Most players don't play the NBA portion of the game anyway.
    I don't mind waiting. If the game is solid, then it'll be worth it. It just changes up my sports gaming plan. I usually GameFly Madden and Live and buy 2k on Black Friday. So now Madden has to hold me down for a couple months
    tril
    a new approach.* wonder if they will be taking the more casual/ arcade approach.*

    Couldnt get much more casual. They put nothing into Franchise Mode. It was all to the Arcade modes.
    I predict that's probably it for Live as we know it on this gen of consoles. They'll probably announce a new Target date of February then finally announce it's permanently delayed. In the meantime they will probably continue to support 19 in some fashion until the All Star break.
    I honestly think Live 20 isn’t going to be released because they said the exact same thing about Live 13 and they out right canceled it to focus on the launch of Live 14 on PS4 and XBOX One. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do the same thing to focus on Live 21 for PS5 and XBOX Scarlet.
    Big Bankhead
    I honestly think Live 20 isn’t going to be released because they said the exact same thing about Live 13 and they out right canceled it to focus on the launch of Live 14 on PS4 and XBOX One. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do the same thing to focus on Live 21 for PS5 and XBOX Scarlet.

    That might be good has it would give them a lot of time to work on just live 21 for ps5 and xbox scarlet but at the same time with live sales having not been that good skipping another year may be to much to over come any type of momentum they have tried to bulid the last few years.
    KennyJ1976
    If EA releases an update with rookies on 19, you might as well kiss 20 goodbye. I wonder if different approach could mean EA dropping the NBA license all together and just focusing on the Live Run/street ball type modes? Most players don't play the NBA portion of the game anyway.

    Oh man I hope that is not what happends and I dont buy that most players dont play the nba portion.
    No surprise here. Another EA incomplete 3 year cycle. Minimal progress after skipping 17, they came back with Live 18 which was fun but still far behind 2K in all key areas.
    On top of that, EA Sports keeps on removing features from the game rather than adding them on from the start and creating a competitive game. Their gameplay isn’t bad but just needs regular tweaks to become great.
    I’m sure they will launch a full scale Live attack again on next gen with the same song and dance. Best of Luck Live! #Salute
    Been playing live 19 with ea access and the things i am noticing with it that need to be improved going foward are to many blocks, cpu plays starters to many minutes, cpu dosnt take enough 3 pointers. Those are the 3 things that stand out the most. I am woundering is there a way to improve those things in 19 with settings? Or are all 3 just simple things ea needs to improve going foward that no settings in 19 can improve?
    bigsmallwood
    No surprise here. Another EA incomplete 3 year cycle. Minimal progress after skipping 17, they came back with Live 18 which was fun but still far behind 2K in all key areas.
    On top of that, EA Sports keeps on removing features from the game rather than adding them on from the start and creating a competitive game. Their gameplay isn’t bad but just needs regular tweaks to become great.
    I’m sure they will launch a full scale Live attack again on next gen with the same song and dance. Best of Luck Live! #Salute

    If EA lost the exclusivity for the NFL, NHL, and many of the soccer leagues, what is happening to Live would be the fate of all the EA Sports games. It's time to end the exclusivity deals and allow more than one AAA company to produce sports games. This entire generation of consoles SHOULD be a wake up call to sports gamers. We're getting a subpar product year after year while the EA, 2K, and SDS continue to haul in massive profits from these goddamn Ultimate Team modes. We must demand better going into the PS5/XBOX...whatever era.
    It’s done boys......we’ve been down this path before. Another delay announced later on then the final cancellation announcement.
    Damn.......game form childhood is gone.....
    Glass half full approach is that they are "taking extra time to perfect the game"...
    Unfortunately, that just rarely ends up being the case. The new approach statement makes me feel like in one form or another, we're starting from scratch...which means we wont get a refined product building off previous releases.
    Only time will tell, but I don't have a great feeling.
    I wish Konami would bring back NBA in the zone.
    Anyway, hopefully it still comes out we need more variety in NBA hoops
    Can we get remasters of NBA Street vol 1-3 at least?
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    ChangeUp106
    If EA lost the exclusivity for the NFL, NHL, and many of the soccer leagues, what is happening to Live would be the fate of all the EA Sports games. It's time to end the exclusivity deals and allow more than one AAA company to produce sports games. This entire generation of consoles SHOULD be a wake up call to sports gamers. We're getting a subpar product year after year while the EA, 2K, and SDS continue to haul in massive profits from these goddamn Ultimate Team modes. We must demand better going into the PS5/XBOX...whatever era.

    Yep. I agree. This current gen of sports games has been subpar. With EA being the biggest disappointment. I was looking forward to Live 20. Guess not.
    ChangeUp106
    If EA lost the exclusivity for the NFL, NHL, and many of the soccer leagues, what is happening to Live would be the fate of all the EA Sports games. It's time to end the exclusivity deals and allow more than one AAA company to produce sports games. This entire generation of consoles SHOULD be a wake up call to sports gamers. We're getting a subpar product year after year while the EA, 2K, and SDS continue to haul in massive profits from these goddamn Ultimate Team modes. We must demand better going into the PS5/XBOX...whatever era.

    The only way to do that is to vote with your dollars and right now gamers are voting for 2K. If gamers en mass decided to boycott 2K for micro-transactions then it would send a message to 2K that they need to stop. But they aren't and won't because 2K keeps raking in more money each year. And lets not forget that a good portion of those EA MUT, FUT and 2K My Player micro-transactions are by eSports players.
    We may just need to accept that the days of multi-sport titles are over. Really the only Sport that currently has two titles is FIFA and Pro Evolution Soccer and PES is getting beaten by EA's FIFA.
    What they should do:
    They replaced the game with a complete remaster of NBA Street V2! Taking a year off to concentrate on the next gen consoles.
    What they will do:
    Sell the game cheap with limited additions to the game and maybe toss in a few college teams.
    Smallville102001
    Been playing live 19 with ea access and the things i am noticing with it that need to be improved going foward are to many blocks, cpu plays starters to many minutes, cpu dosnt take enough 3 pointers. Those are the 3 things that stand out the most. I am woundering is there a way to improve those things in 19 with settings? Or are all 3 just simple things ea needs to improve going foward that no settings in 19 can improve?

    You should set the block success of AI to 0/100 but for 3p attempts and them playing starters more you can't do anything about it unfortunately. EA needs to fix those things
    I'm not overly concerned about the future of Live. EA has shown patience with NBA Live over the past decade. EA has the money to take potential losses with Live as they build themselves up. EA could have gave up on Live years ago. Only doubts is because of next generation. As the cost of game development increases, Live's low sales will have an impact on how much patience EA could have.
    The 24th Letter
    Glass half full approach is that they are "taking extra time to perfect the game"...
    Unfortunately, that just rarely ends up being the case. The new approach statement makes me feel like in one form or another, we're starting from scratch...which means we wont get a refined product building off previous releases.
    Only time will tell, but I don't have a great feeling.

    This is exactly what I said on Reddit.
    Guys are saying “the game will at least be polished” and I just don’t see it. You don’t say “new approach “ when you are polishing a game.
    1. NBA Live 17 was delayed(eventually cancelled) because they “needed more time” and 18 and 19 are good games but “polished” they are not. So saying 20 will be is massively optimistic.
    2. I’m in full agreement that “new approach” doesn’t at all say to me that they are polishing gameplay or even working on franchise or anything like that. It really says to me that they are going to try and reinvent the wheel which is not good in my books. 19 was on the right track finally. If this is the case then they just need to stop.
    What I’m really hoping is that “new approach” means marketing strategy by either trying a later release date when the 2k hype has died down a bit or even better that they are going to change to a free to play model.
    The 24th Letter
    Glass half full approach is that they are "taking extra time to perfect the game"...
    Unfortunately, that just rarely ends up being the case. The new approach statement makes me feel like in one form or another, we're starting from scratch...which means we wont get a refined product building off previous releases.
    Only time will tell, but I don't have a great feeling.

    It's disappointing when you expect something, especially when you've been disappointed before. Then you fall into the same oh it's happening again. I'll be happy to get live a little late. If they cancel then Yea that sux. But I thought that was what this announcement was meant to quash. If they cancel its like being stood up twice. V bad mojo to put on your customers.
    However, I felt the new approach was only in reference to the release/possibly pay model. I didn't feel like they meant they were gonna remake the game again but that would indeed be another face palm.
    I have lowered my standards a lot in the last five or so years, each year I am disappointed by the basketball product, all I want is something to play eventually that's not gonna feel like it's shafting me out of my time. If live somehow goes ftp with mircos I hope they make lvl 1s viable. I know I could give someone work w a 70 in 18 and 19, but if they make it grindy I might just dump even tho free is free and I'd still be gaining .
    Mts are like cancer to a game. It's a multi year model. I don't have the energy for a game that requires that or starting down that path again.
    Mintsa
    Google freemium.
    -Smak
    I just don't see how the Free to Play model would work for a sports game. The benefit I could see is that developers wouldn't be on a set time restriction. Where they can release season passes for each season, but not the pressure to finish a game by a certain deadline.
    I get that most games make a large chunk of revenue from Microtransactions, but they would be banking primarily on that for revenue. Unless they are going to charge for every roster update when it comes to season passes. I don't know what type of DLCs a sports game can have without developing a game mode.
    In my mind they are just delaying it to have a PC version ready. I know it's not happening but I can dream.
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    illwill10
    I just don't see how the Free to Play model would work for a sports game. The benefit I could see is that developers wouldn't be on a set time restriction. Where they can release season passes for each season, but not the pressure to finish a game by a certain deadline.
    I get that most games make a large chunk of revenue from Microtransactions, but they would be banking primarily on that for revenue. Unless they are going to charge for every roster update when it comes to season passes. I don't know what type of DLCs a sports game can have without developing a game mode.

    I have no idea the ins and outs of how it works but I’m positive I read an article where the live devs said they make way more money on NBA Live mobile which is free to play.
    Goffs
    In my mind they are just delaying it to have a PC version ready. I know it's not happening but I can dream.
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    If this by some miracle was the case I would be overjoyed
    Us offline gamers are far outnumbered in today’s industry. It’s changing. I don’t even think the last call of duty had a single player campaign.
    We’re not gonna get a polished version of live 19.
    2k used to pride itself on being sim, and it hasn’t progressed in that department much at all since the rise of VC and online play and parks and ultimate team.
    Has madden franchise mode even gotten better in 5 years?
    It’s time for NBA Live to drop the nba game and rebrand itself to fit the modern gaming landscape.
    Live Online, Free to play. Whether it’s Parks, tournaments. Battle royale. Call of duty style with boxes and stats and leaderboards. 2k neighborhood.
    Can you make a balanced, competive basketball game that eliminates VC?
    Equip perks like limitless range or you know. Perk system.
    Something new. Something different. Cuz rn the franchise is on its last legs.
    It would have been nice for them to be more transparent about it. The signs were there with not being at EA Play, no info, no cover release, roster update. But it feels like we wouldn't have heard anything from them if Polygon didn't ask for comment. It took EA releasing the fiscal report for anyone to see any news about Live
    They need to just make NBA street, if you go to any 2k video their are plenty of comments saying they'd buy NBA street over or along side 2k.
    EA has proven to me they cannot make any simulation sports game with great gameplay so just stick to arcade genre.
    Mintsa
    This sucks....they were building. I like live 19 it was decent.

    Live has/had promise. I liked the 1 on 1 battles where you can actually be a lock down defender. I actually prefer The One over MyCareer. I feel it is more realistic. You start out at a more competitve overall. There isn't the pressure to purchase microtransactions. The Street element adds depth. The issue is that the NBA aspect of that mode wasn't fun to play.
    EA has to show they are serious about Live. Even if that means releasing something this year and skip next year completely to focus on Live 22. Where they could relsease Live 20 November or even late December, and continue to update the game for the next year and half. I think EA will have an improved version of Frostbite for next gen. So have other EA games test the waters for the first year of next gen. All while spending 21-22 months developing for next gen.
    lon515
    They need to just make NBA street, if you go to any 2k video their are plenty of comments saying they'd buy NBA street over or along side 2k.
    EA has proven to me they cannot make any simulation sports game with great gameplay so just stick to arcade genre.

    I think eas problem is that they can only do gameplay well. I think it is potentially Sim, but stuff like deep modes, deep coaching, animations etc all contribute to what you believe Sim is. That's what they sucked at, but I've never felt any more arcade on live than any other game, when I'm immersed and going vs people online. Sure weird stuff happens but it happens in every game.
    Live has some issues but they aren't far from sim. Depth, however... But depth actually inhibits balance if you focus on that first. You end up with too much stuff that there's no way to balance well.
    -Smak
    lareka
    You should set the block success of AI to 0/100 but for 3p attempts and them playing starters more you can't do anything about it unfortunately. EA needs to fix those things

    Oh ok I heard that maybe putting the 3 point shooting slider up would help the CPU take more 3 pointers kind of like how people say in madden if you lower the QB slider to much the CPU will try less deep passes but I wasn't sure. With CPU playing to many minutes I didn't known if there was maybe a roster setting or something that might help.
    ChangeUp106
    If EA lost the exclusivity for the NFL, NHL, and many of the soccer leagues, what is happening to Live would be the fate of all the EA Sports games. It's time to end the exclusivity deals and allow more than one AAA company to produce sports games. This entire generation of consoles SHOULD be a wake up call to sports gamers. We're getting a subpar product year after year while the EA, 2K, and SDS continue to haul in massive profits from these goddamn Ultimate Team modes. We must demand better going into the PS5/XBOX...whatever era.

    Yeah sports games have really went down hill big time. Madden has not really been the same post ps2 and live I think can get good it does some things really well but its not there yet, and mlb the show went from being the best graphics of any sport game by far last gen to this gen looking worse then nba live, 2k and madden, and has had bullpen issues for like 10+ years. Also shows franchise mode has not seen updates for a long time. NHL has been kind of up and down to.
    illwill10
    Live has/had promise. I liked the 1 on 1 battles where you can actually be a lock down defender. I actually prefer The One over MyCareer. I feel it is more realistic. You start out at a more competitve overall. There isn't the pressure to purchase microtransactions. The Street element adds depth. The issue is that the NBA aspect of that mode wasn't fun to play.
    EA has to show they are serious about Live. Even if that means releasing something this year and skip next year completely to focus on Live 22. Where they could relsease Live 20 November or even late December, and continue to update the game for the next year and half. I think EA will have an improved version of Frostbite for next gen. So have other EA games test the waters for the first year of next gen. All while spending 21-22 months developing for next gen.

    They thing is we have had what 2-3 nba live games canceled in the last 10 years already? That dosnt look good and if 20 ends up like that again that dont look good. Live has a lot of promise I fell like has the way players movie fells really good and being able to drawl fouls on jump shoots is great. Yeah the thing with sports games is you are only on a 1 year time to make a game and so now with this if 20 does end up comming out then 21 is going to have a shorter time to work on. How much shorter we dont known because we dont known if it is going to come out and if it does come out later this year we dont known how much later. We dont known if it would be like October or November or even December.
    Smallville102001

    Yeah sports games have really went down hill big time. Madden has not really been the same post ps2 and live I think can get good it does some things really well but its not there yet, and mlb the show went from being the best graphics of any sport game by far last gen to this gen looking worse then nba live, 2k and madden, and has had bullpen issues for like 10+ years. Also shows franchise mode has not seen updates for a long time. NHL has been kind of up and down to.

    I don't see exclusive deals going anywhere. NFL prefers exclusive deals for all their products. 2k had an "exclusive" deal for MLB. But that was a 3rd party exclusive so it allowed Sony to make the Show. 2k chose not to renew the license after 2k13. EA could have gotten the license but probably didn't feel they could compete with The Show. 2k has shown they have little patience with low sales. APF, NHL, and MLB were games 2k gave up own to focus mainly on. Even WWE 2k isn't as well received, that Yukes wants to make a generic wrestling game. Madden's full focus has been on the Online competitive streamlined direction this past generation. I don't see NBA doing an exclusive deal. But I don't think they will give Live a different licensing deal than what they gave 2k. Live doesn't sell that well to begin, plus I don't think they are bringing that much money from Microtransactions. So I think EA would have to take a loss to keep Live going.
    I have been underwhelmed with sports game this generation. I felt like that the whole ESports/Online and Ultimate Team/MyTeam was the focus for sports gamees this generation. But honestly I don't think that will change next generation. Part of what made the PS2/Xbox and parts of PS3/360 sports game era, was sports game put a focus on single player experience and offline. This past gen, games felt simplified and streamlined for for ESports/competitive gaming
    Smallville102001
    They thing is we have had what 2-3 nba live games canceled in the last 10 years already? That dosnt look good and if 20 ends up like that again that dont look good. Live has a lot of promise I fell like has the way players movie fells really good and being able to drawl fouls on jump shoots is great. Yeah the thing with sports games is you are only on a 1 year time to make a game and so now with this if 20 does end up comming out then 21 is going to have a shorter time to work on. How much shorter we dont known because we dont known if it is going to come out and if it does come out later this year we dont known how much later. We dont known if it would be like October or November or even December.

    Live 11, 13, and 17 were cancelled. So having 3 games cancelled within 7 years isn't good for business. But it does show EA has been patient.
    For me, I think next generation will have a big impact. If it was any other year, I think they could delay this year and slightly delay next year. But with next generation coming out, it surely will have an impact. Usually sports release a next gen version at console launch, even if it is just stripped down game to show off the power of next gen graphics. I don't think Live can even focus on that when they are still trying to get the current gen down pact.
    Lol same old thing. People saying if it helps the game, let them cancel it and make a better one next year, how many years are people going to say that?
    Live had years to make Live 14, and it was probably the worst basketball game we have ever seen hit shelves, I am not exaggerating.
    In my mind, outside of depth in Franchise mode, and a little bit deeper gameplay, this game is actually the game to beat.
    The problem is: They don't update rosters. Newer players that come into the NBA aren't noticed and are left off of teams for months. And Franchise mode and editing are so bare bones, that a lot is to be desired.
    Honestly, if those were the only problems, I would be confident in Live. But the real problem is, even if they fix those things, they can't market themselves out of this hole.
    We had multiple Lives in a row where in late game situations the computer had no awarness, to the point that if they were down 3, they would just let the clock run out.
    We had multiple lives without roster editing or basic features.
    We had an NBA Live cancelled.
    We've had delays.
    On top of all of these issues, 2k has become what I call a cultural hit.
    In my mind, it blows my mind that people are still okay with starting at a 57 overall, and paying literally $100 in VC alone just to get to like a 90 rating. It is so popular that they can market VC, make you pay for haircuts, etc.
    But no matter what, it is such a cultural phenomenon. NBA players all want to know what their ratings are, they are constantly giving 2K free marketing. As long as NBA players are playing 2K, as long as they have a partnership with the NBA, and as long as it's such a cultural phenomenon, Live can't do anything.
    So even though I think Live is only a couple of steps away, their marketing is so bad, and their track record is so bad, that honestly, I don't see any way they could ever become a better game. It would take a radical amount of marketing money to get them back into it, and they haven't ever invested significant money into this game, why would they when they don't get a lot of profit from it?
    And the fact that we've had players who were the wrong race for literally months, doesn't give me hope that Live will ever be decent and updating their rosters, so even if they get everything else down, I doubt they will ever be good at that, so even I'm jumping ship.
    Live 19 is pretty good by the way right now. If you abandoned the game a few months ago, come back and see how they improved the game lately, i am really enjoying the heck of it right now with modified sliders in Franchise mode. The reason I wrote this is i'm seeing comments here talking about Nba Live 19 with past tense, like it was released 10 years ago. It's pretty good. RIGHT NOW ! Come and see
    zrohman
    Lol same old thing. People saying if it helps the game, let them cancel it and make a better one next year, how many years are people going to say that?
    Live had years to make Live 14, and it was probably the worst basketball game we have ever seen hit shelves, I am not exaggerating.
    In my mind, outside of depth in Franchise mode, and a little bit deeper gameplay, this game is actually the game to beat.
    The problem is: They don't update rosters. Newer players that come into the NBA aren't noticed and are left off of teams for months. And Franchise mode and editing are so bare bones, that a lot is to be desired.
    Honestly, if those were the only problems, I would be confident in Live. But the real problem is, even if they fix those things, they can't market themselves out of this hole.
    We had multiple Lives in a row where in late game situations the computer had no awarness, to the point that if they were down 3, they would just let the clock run out.
    We had multiple lives without roster editing or basic features.
    We had an NBA Live cancelled.
    We've had delays.
    On top of all of these issues, 2k has become what I call a cultural hit.
    In my mind, it blows my mind that people are still okay with starting at a 57 overall, and paying literally $100 in VC alone just to get to like a 90 rating. It is so popular that they can market VC, make you pay for haircuts, etc.
    But no matter what, it is such a cultural phenomenon. NBA players all want to know what their ratings are, they are constantly giving 2K free marketing. As long as NBA players are playing 2K, as long as they have a partnership with the NBA, and as long as it's such a cultural phenomenon, Live can't do anything.
    So even though I think Live is only a couple of steps away, their marketing is so bad, and their track record is so bad, that honestly, I don't see any way they could ever become a better game. It would take a radical amount of marketing money to get them back into it, and they haven't ever invested significant money into this game, why would they when they don't get a lot of profit from it?
    And the fact that we've had players who were the wrong race for literally months, doesn't give me hope that Live will ever be decent and updating their rosters, so even if they get everything else down, I doubt they will ever be good at that, so even I'm jumping ship.

    "their marketing is so bad" that's pretty obvious as they haven't officially came up with a statement about their new game - it's August 1, 2019. No good marketing deparment would ever do that. That should be a case for marketing lessons. How NOT to promote your game.
    The optimism for this game, and this belief that they're "doing it for the gamers" is a trip. NBA Live 19 is alright, and there are some things I like over NBA 2K (mainly shooting percentages, realistic outcomes, low number of badges). However, EA just really need to let Live die, and 2K needs to hire some of their development team members to infuse fresh new ideas into NBA 2K. As someone stated before, NBA 2K is a cultural hit at a level that Live NEVER was. EA is not going to overcome that unless NBA 2K makes a catastrophic mistake, and that won't happen due EA being literally the blueprint of what mistake not to make with a sports title. At the end of the day, NBA Live lacks brand recognition except to a group of old heads that grew up on the game during the 90's and early 2000's.
    lareka
    Live 19 is pretty good by the way right now. If you abandoned the game a few months ago, come back and see how they improved the game lately, i am really enjoying the heck of it right now with modified sliders in Franchise mode. The reason I wrote this is i'm seeing comments here talking about Nba Live 19 with past tense, like it was released 10 years ago. It's pretty good. RIGHT NOW ! Come and see

    It's a great game, and they even did a big roster update.
    But even on that big roster update, outside of the rookies being missing which is expected, they are still missing some basic players. Hard to play a game that can't even get the correct players in the game. If they fixed this, this would be my go to game.
    But even being my go-to-game, again, their marketing is terrible. They wouldn't even need to pay a lot of money, simply pay one person to get involved in forums, to post exciting articles, to post ratings and screenshots, to hype the game, etc. But they never hype this game even 10% as much as 2k, and with all the FREE marketing 2k gets, simply because NBA players love it, it's hard to beat that. And as annoyed as I get with seeing 200 screenshots of NBA players every year, it's a heck of a way for them to market.
    zrohman
    It's a great game, and they even did a big roster update.
    But even on that big roster update, outside of the rookies being missing which is expected, they are still missing some basic players. Hard to play a game that can't even get the correct players in the game. If they fixed this, this would be my go to game.
    But even being my go-to-game, again, their marketing is terrible. They wouldn't even need to pay a lot of money, simply pay one person to get involved in forums, to post exciting articles, to post ratings and screenshots, to hype the game, etc. But they never hype this game even 10% as much as 2k, and with all the FREE marketing 2k gets, simply because NBA players love it, it's hard to beat that. And as annoyed as I get with seeing 200 screenshots of NBA players every year, it's a heck of a way for them to market.

    Development Costs + Marketing to reach Mainstream > NBA Live Sales
    There's really no need to dig the financial hole deeper than what's necessary. The game sold for $5 at one point, and it still didn't sell that many digital copies. Basketball fans know that the game exist, and they would have bought it in the millions if they thought it was worth buying. Hype and exposure doesn't get any better than firing up your console and seeing that an "EA Sale" is going on.
    Honestly, to imply that it merely takes a dedicated employee to give lip service for the game is rather insulting to any consumer. You would need to have a low opinion of a consumer's buying IQ if you think that's all it takes to push units.
    ksuttonjr76
    Development Costs + Marketing to reach Mainstream > NBA Live Sales
    There's really no need to dig the financial hole deeper than what's necessary. The game sold for $5 at one point, and it still didn't sell that many digital copies. Basketball fans know that the game exist, and they would have bought it in the millions if they thought it was worth buying. Hype and exposure doesn't get any better than firing up your console and seeing that an "EA Sale" is going on.
    Honestly, to imply that it merely takes a dedicated employee to give lip service for the game is rather insulting to any consumer. You would need to have a low opinion of a consumer's buying IQ if you think that's all it takes to push units.

    At the end of the day the product has to sell itself. Live has had more than enough time and opportunity to reestablish itself. This gen is almost over. People have played the demo.
    People have bought Live for cheap. It was the top selling game in January one year when it was 5 bucks. The game has undoubtedly improved. Reading online you'd swear that there's some clamoring for an alternative basketball game. Yet and still Live sales remain flat or not improving at all. People love to compare Live to 2K but at its core, 2K is a deep and good game. It's not perfect. It has issues. But its a good game. IMO, Live isn't a good game. Forget basketball, I'm strictly speaking about something I would want to play. I mean, it's alright. But I can just as easily forget about it like I do dozens of other games a year. That's why I think its languishing. Plus, there are so many ways to play good games now for cheap. Live isn't competing with 2K; its competing with every other mid tier Ok game out here now.
    I see people here lobbying for folks to "give Live a try". I have seen this since the series returned. People have given it a try. It just isn't resonating. That's all on EA and the devs.
    Junior Moe
    At the end of the day the product has to sell itself. Live has had more than enough time and opportunity to reestablish itself. This gen is almost over. People have played the demo.
    People have bought Live for cheap. It was the top selling game in January one year when it was 5 bucks. The game has undoubtedly improved. Reading online you'd swear that there's some clamoring for an alternative basketball game. Yet and still Live sales remain flat or not improving at all. People love to compare Live to 2K but at its core, 2K is a deep and good game. It's not perfect. It has issues. But its a good game. IMO, Live isn't a good game. Forget basketball, I'm strictly speaking about something I would want to play. I mean, it's alright. But I can just as easily forget about it like I do dozens of other games a year. That's why I think its languishing. Plus, there are so many ways to play good games now for cheap. Live isn't competing with 2K; its competing with every other mid tier Ok game out here now.
    I see people here lobbying for folks to "give Live a try". I have seen this since the series returned. People have given it a try. It just isn't resonating. That's all on EA and the devs.

    100% agree. For the record, I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Live, because surprisedly I have bought the last 3 Lives when it goes on sale dirt cheap. For me, I just like how Live keeps the game of basketball so freaking simple when I play H2H online. I absolutely LOVE that the game's results/actions are more organic than NBA 2K. Beyond that...Live absolutely can't beat 2K's gameplay/control (using the word control very loosely, lol) depth and signature player styles/animations. Live is just one of those "relaxing" games when I want to play basketball, but nothing super intense. That's not a bad thing by no means, but that makes it an uphill battle for Live. Hell...NBA 2K's H2H online has the Classic and All-Time teams. That little nugget alone will keep me with NBA 2K, but I'm always willing to give Live a chance.
    ksuttonjr76
    100% agree. For the record, I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Live, because surprisedly I have bought the last 3 Lives when it goes on sale dirt cheap. For me, I just like how Live keeps the game of basketball so freaking simple when I play H2H online. I absolutely LOVE that the game's results/actions are more organic than NBA 2K. Beyond that...Live absolutely can't beat 2K's gameplay/control (using the word control very loosely, lol) depth and signature player styles/animations. Live is just one of those "relaxing" games when I want to play basketball, but nothing super intense. That's not a bad thing by no means, but that makes it an uphill battle for Live. Hell...NBA 2K's H2H online has the Classic and All-Time teams. That little nugget alone will keep me with NBA 2K, but I'm always willing to give Live a chance.

    Same here. I always grab Live for cheap. I enjoy it for what its worth. I have never been compelled to buy Live at release or anything, though. I preorder 2K and Gears5 and GOW and RDR2. I cant wait to play those games. Live just isn't in that class. Live is a fun pick up and play game. It's like Super Mega Baseball for me, fun in spurts, bit nothing I can play for extended periods. The NBA Live team taking a different approach, whatever that means, may not be a bad thing. The current course just isn't getting it done. I think they should lean into the online stuff and go full on NBA Street Vol 3. They could blend the sim elements in with the arcade over the top fun.
    Junior Moe
    At the end of the day the product has to sell itself. Live has had more than enough time and opportunity to reestablish itself. This gen is almost over. People have played the demo.
    People have bought Live for cheap. It was the top selling game in January one year when it was 5 bucks. The game has undoubtedly improved. Reading online you'd swear that there's some clamoring for an alternative basketball game. Yet and still Live sales remain flat or not improving at all. People love to compare Live to 2K but at its core, 2K is a deep and good game. It's not perfect. It has issues. But its a good game. IMO, Live isn't a good game. Forget basketball, I'm strictly speaking about something I would want to play. I mean, it's alright. But I can just as easily forget about it like I do dozens of other games a year. That's why I think its languishing. Plus, there are so many ways to play good games now for cheap. Live isn't competing with 2K; its competing with every other mid tier Ok game out here now.
    I see people here lobbying for folks to "give Live a try". I have seen this since the series returned. People have given it a try. It just isn't resonating. That's all on EA and the devs.

    I agree. I want Live to succeed. But they had the past decade to get their ship in order. Especially on the years they canceled or delay. Cancelled 13 and 14 was still regarded as a terrible game. There has been a lot of patient with their games, but at some point they have to get there. I know there have been resource issues especially when they had to share Madden developers to help them get back on track.
    I think a lot of it was their approach. Mike Wang had an interview where he said when he worked there, their main focus was "How do we beat 2k". Once you have that mindset, you already failed. The main focus should always be "How can we can better and innovative each year". Once you become more concern about a competitor over improving yourself, you are already in a losing battle.
    Ksuttonjr76 just touched on the main thing Live had going for it...it feels "organic."
    I've seen guys dribble the ball off their foot, trip and fall...little funny random organic things that could actually happen in real life. It's like the characters make human mistakes sometimes.
    I also like the way it "feels" when you dunk.
    Last thing is fast breaks...I've actually seen 3-2 or 3-1 fast breaks in the game. Again, just like in real life, every defender does not Sprint back full speed on D the first split nano-second that the ball is turned over.
    I think it means one of four things:
    1.) EA is focusing on the Online leagues (Live's strength) and will abandon NBA season mode, and go with a different monetization option.
    2.) EA has decided to go the arcade route with a new NBA Jam / NBA street instead.
    3.) EA is focusing on Nintendo Switch which the
    Live developers talked about back in 2017. Possibly the first EA sport title to be Cross play with Xbox? Maybe Live drops the annual editions and is continuously updated model?
    4.) Cancelation of NBA Live.
    **One thing to consider and research, Would the NBA allow EA to alter the terms of the agreement and allow Live to go F2P, while 2k still is having to pay and charge full price for a NBA product?**.
    inkcil
    Ksuttonjr76 just touched on the main thing Live had going for it...it feels "organic."
    I've seen guys dribble the ball off their foot, trip and fall...little funny random organic things that could actually happen in real life. It's like the characters make human mistakes sometimes.
    I also like the way it "feels" when you dunk.
    Last thing is fast breaks...I've actually seen 3-2 or 3-1 fast breaks in the game. Again, just like in real life, every defender does not Sprint back full speed on D the first split nano-second that the ball is turned over.

    To be fair, I don't play Live nearly as much I play NBA 2K. It could be a case that I merely haven't gotten a chance to see patterns develop. Having said that...I wish that I could take out their programming/algorithms for cause and effect actions and drop that into NBA 2K. In Live, a shot is a shot, a contest is a contest, a steal is a steal, a block is a block, and a rebound is rebound. It's that damn simple. Live doesn't have all these stupid instances where the game "cheats" to force a particular outcome like when a player shoots, but the shot is blocked. However, the game makes the ball take a odd trajectory like the block never happened, and the shooter is still able to make the shot.
    How I feel regarding NBA Live is that I completely love the streetball aspect of the game but that same fun factor never translated over to my NBA season because it just never felt the same. I am not sure if it was a lack of depth in the franchise mode, or a lack of the game just not translating well into a more SIM style of play when it comes to your season. Because let's be honest here: Streetball and NBA are two different styles of gameplay.
    If they do decide to scrap NBA Live one thing that I think would make for an awesome game experience would be to take everything you already have in place for the streets and expand on this mode to include seasons, tourneys, more events, and more innovation. I am not saying turn it into NBA Street from back in the day but continue building on what you already have for this mode which is fantastic.
    The bottom line for me: Live Street Mode is awesome but the actual NBA Season/Franchise portion of the game not so much.
    ILLSmak
    I think eas problem is that they can only do gameplay well. I think it is potentially Sim, but stuff like deep modes, deep coaching, animations etc all contribute to what you believe Sim is. That's what they sucked at, but I've never felt any more arcade on live than any other game, when I'm immersed and going vs people online. Sure weird stuff happens but it happens in every game.
    Live has some issues but they aren't far from sim. Depth, however... But depth actually inhibits balance if you focus on that first. You end up with too much stuff that there's no way to balance well.
    -Smak

    I have to disagree with you here. I bought live 18,19, (also16 and 10 lol.) I'm one of the few who enjoy playing live over 2k. Live is fun to me because the ONE mode reminds me of NBA street.
    However the game behaves nothing like a sim. No matter how contested a layup is it will go in and that's true where ever you shoot, contests don't matter it you get a good release it will go in. 2k rewards you for playing good defense.
    I do agree with you on the modes though. The lack of depth also kills the sim hopes for the game, but nothing else really makes the game a sim either, I'd wish they just go full blown arcade cause they can't compete with 2k at a sim style game, we have 10+ years of evidence.
    lon515
    I have to disagree with you here. I bought live 18,19, (also16 and 10 lol.) I'm one of the few who enjoy playing live over 2k. Live is fun to me because the ONE mode reminds me of NBA street.
    However the game behaves nothing like a sim. No matter how contested a layup is it will go in and that's true where ever you shoot, contests don't matter it you get a good release it will go in. 2k rewards you for playing good defense.
    I do agree with you on the modes though. The lack of depth also kills the sim hopes for the game, but nothing else really makes the game a sim either, I'd wish they just go full blown arcade cause they can't compete with 2k at a sim style game, we have 10+ years of evidence.

    Get outta here.
    In 2k, you can stand there dribbling and do nothing, the defender can press the button to reach for the ball, they can touch the ball only, and be called for a reach.
    In 2k, you can be rewarded for good defense, which is actually NOT sim. If you watch the NBA, many times good defense is played and it still goes in. Someone like Harden can go into iso, put a dribble move on, and get JUST ENOUGH space to get a shot, but be heavily contested, and it can still go in.
    Sometimes open shots are missed, etc.
    I know this is the case for 2k too... But I've seen people miss several layups in online play, based on rating, they don't all go in, it is definitely chance.
    Live used to have them all go in, now they only MOSTLY go in if you have a really good rating.
    You are entitled to believe Live gameplay is less sim. But I would challenge you and agree that the reason why people believe it is less sim is because there isn't any depth with coaching options or other things. Also, with such limited editing options and other gameplay modes people can feel the gameplay is lesser simply based on that too.
    illwill10
    Live 11, 13, and 17 were cancelled. So having 3 games cancelled within 7 years isn't good for business. But it does show EA has been patient.
    For me, I think next generation will have a big impact. If it was any other year, I think they could delay this year and slightly delay next year. But with next generation coming out, it surely will have an impact. Usually sports release a next gen version at console launch, even if it is just stripped down game to show off the power of next gen graphics. I don't think Live can even focus on that when they are still trying to get the current gen down pact.

    Right and before this thread I had complete forgotten that 17 was also cancelled. So yeah if 20 is cancelled that would be the 4th time in just the last 10 years.
    zrohman
    Get outta here.
    In 2k, you can stand there dribbling and do nothing, the defender can press the button to reach for the ball, they can touch the ball only, and be called for a reach.
    In 2k, you can be rewarded for good defense, which is actually NOT sim. If you watch the NBA, many times good defense is played and it still goes in. Someone like Harden can go into iso, put a dribble move on, and get JUST ENOUGH space to get a shot, but be heavily contested, and it can still go in.
    Sometimes open shots are missed, etc.
    I know this is the case for 2k too... But I've seen people miss several layups in online play, based on rating, they don't all go in, it is definitely chance.
    Live used to have them all go in, now they only MOSTLY go in if you have a really good rating.
    You are entitled to believe Live gameplay is less sim. But I would challenge you and agree that the reason why people believe it is less sim is because there isn't any depth with coaching options or other things. Also, with such limited editing options and other gameplay modes people can feel the gameplay is lesser simply based on that too.

    Yeah you are right and if you adjust the sliders in Live, you can turn it into a sim, seems like that guy is playing with default sliders and playing on low difficulty level, commenting on that...
    They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff.
    If they make the game 20-30 dollars and just sell that mode, they would do pretty well. They do a good job of bringing content, celebrities and etc in those events.
    Their NBA side though has been bad. People would be willing to excuse the not great gameplay if they worked on the modes but they didn't. Franchise Mode is not good, no allstar weekend, The One was pretty much copied and pasted from last year. I liked their non stories but they could change it a little and they didn't.
    It just felt like they only cared about the online street mode.
    There is no reason for people to pay $60 for that.
    Daddy123
    They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff.
    If they make the game 20-30 dollars and just sell that mode, they would do pretty well. They do a good job of bringing content, celebrities and etc in those events.
    Their NBA side though has been bad. People would be willing to excuse the not great gameplay if they worked on the modes but they didn't. Franchise Mode is not good, no allstar weekend, The One was pretty much copied and pasted from last year. I liked their non stories but they could change it a little and they didn't.
    It just felt like they only cared about the online street mode.
    There is no reason for people to pay $60 for that.

    "They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?
    DaWolf
    My prediction:
    - Free2Play
    - Only THE ONE - no NBA
    - Delay because of legal issues with the NBA and 2K Sports

    Guaranteed no buy from me if that prediction comes to be.
    I buy basketball games because of the NBA, otherwise I’d just go outside and play basketball.
    From what I gather from people is they have had little to no focus on the NBA side of their game for years which is what people want and it’s in the title of their game. They drop that from their game they’re done. Which I think they’re just delaying the inevitable update of it’s cancelled
    lareka
    "They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?

    The issue is that 2K has had a foundation for years and years now, Live can't afford to not build on their modes when they're bare bones as it is.
    lon515
    I have to disagree with you here. I bought live 18,19, (also16 and 10 lol.) I'm one of the few who enjoy playing live over 2k. Live is fun to me because the ONE mode reminds me of NBA street.
    However the game behaves nothing like a sim. No matter how contested a layup is it will go in and that's true where ever you shoot, contests don't matter it you get a good release it will go in. 2k rewards you for playing good defense.
    I do agree with you on the modes though. The lack of depth also kills the sim hopes for the game, but nothing else really makes the game a sim either, I'd wish they just go full blown arcade cause they can't compete with 2k at a sim style game, we have 10+ years of evidence.

    I'm a beast on d in live. But Yea u can tell a lot of people don't believe you can stop a drive or jump shot then they quit when they are like 1-6 and full red.
    Dunks in live are a bit crazy if you can't block tho. It can be tuned sure, and I dono which game play I prefer offline, they both have pluses and minuses but I love 2ks depth even if 33% of it is wonky and doesn't work.
    Online tho as I always say. Live every time. I've gotten worse and worse at 2k cuz I have always resisted the meta. The last one I played, we all had non meta dudes n got trashed by people just clowning and jacking threes and fade aways.
    In live I know I can stop someone. I know they can score if I make a mistake and if they make a shot that I thought I played well I play tighter. In live if you know what they are gonna do, you can stop them. That level of balance is necessary for Sim. But Yea we all want more depth n better animations. Fewer canned outcomes.
    But to me I feel like I'm really balling out there with my guy in live. When I make a pass in 2k and watch the outcome it feels real, but the feel of my player is more real in live.
    Like I've been playing 2k15 and enjoying it. But I was on the break coming down the left side and a cpu was cutting to the rim and I had one defender come to me. I icon passed. Dude could have thrown it anywhere, but he threw it right into the guy's knee. That stuff happens way too much in 2k for me. It feels like a lot of the time dudes just fail on purpose. It really affects high level play unless you're just running around and greening threes w a sharp.
    -Smak
    I really enjoy Live Run...the devs did a solid job listening to community feedback and tweaking it all year. The final version (I'm assuming) we have now is nice.
    They didn't give that same care to the NBA modes IMO. OH2H is fun in spots but I probably wont play it much of all is all we get is a digital upgrade. I feel like you can only add so much...especially to the animation library which is really lacking.
    I feel like I see the same 2 mans playing out repeatedly in the same situations so its hard for me to really get immersed in teams or individual players. They definitely still have some things to work on in the gameplay department.
    zrohman
    Get outta here.
    In 2k, you can stand there dribbling and do nothing, the defender can press the button to reach for the ball, they can touch the ball only, and be called for a reach.
    In 2k, you can be rewarded for good defense, which is actually NOT sim. If you watch the NBA, many times good defense is played and it still goes in. Someone like Harden can go into iso, put a dribble move on, and get JUST ENOUGH space to get a shot, but be heavily contested, and it can still go in.
    Sometimes open shots are missed, etc.
    I know this is the case for 2k too... But I've seen people miss several layups in online play, based on rating, they don't all go in, it is definitely chance.
    Live used to have them all go in, now they only MOSTLY go in if you have a really good rating.
    You are entitled to believe Live gameplay is less sim. But I would challenge you and agree that the reason why people believe it is less sim is because there isn't any depth with coaching options or other things. Also, with such limited editing options and other gameplay modes people can feel the gameplay is lesser simply based on that too.

    Being rewarded for good defense is SIM its crazy I even have to type that sentence. In the regular season does harden make crazy shots sure. However what happens EVERY year in the playoffs when people play real defense harden goes 4 for 17 and the rockets (and thunder at the time) lose.
    These are NBA players so can they make shots when covered yes, does that happen in 2k yes. That's only one aspect that 2k does better, the gameplay has so many layers that live doesn't have it's not fair to even bring that up.
    So let me get back to my original point. I have more fun playing live because its the closest thing to NBA street we have. That's all i want is a new NBA street.
    In terms of simulation basketball game I don't see what else you would want from 2k ( outside of stupid micro transactions) The franchise is damn near flawless while live has one of the worst franchise modes ever.
    I was under the impression people liked live because they wanted to play a more arcade basketball game, that's my appeal to it anyway.
    lon515
    Being rewarded for good defense is SIM its crazy I even have to type that sentence. In the regular season does harden make crazy shots sure. However what happens EVERY year in the playoffs when people play real defense harden goes 4 for 17 and the rockets (and thunder at the time) lose.
    These are NBA players so can they make shots when covered yes, does that happen in 2k yes. That's only one aspect that 2k does better, the gameplay has so many layers that live doesn't have it's not fair to even bring that up.
    So let me get back to my original point. I have more fun playing live because its the closest thing to NBA street we have. That's all i want is a new NBA street.
    In terms of simulation basketball game I don't see what else you would want from 2k ( outside of stupid micro transactions) The franchise is damn near flawless while live has one of the worst franchise modes ever.
    I was under the impression people liked live because they wanted to play a more arcade basketball game, that's my appeal to it anyway.

    I would say this is a fair assessment
    I guess for me it depends on an individuals definition of sim. Gameplay is definitely more arcadey with Live but for the most part I get more realistic stat lines with Live(other than 3 attempts) than I do 2k.
    I played a full season of 2k, every game and probably 3 1/2 full seasons of Live this year. I love both games. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind 2k is a waaaaay better game.
    That being said I always end up coming back to Live and it’s pretty much because of what you are saying. I can just play it. I don’t run a single play. I don’t have to know motion offence. I don’t have to worry about bouncing the ball off players when I want to dribble around like a crazy maniac. All of that is exactly what most people would probably list as negatives but I just wanna play.
    Maybe it’s cause I’m getting old, I love the depth Live has in its simplicity. It’s actually super hard to get people open in Live. I do dribble moves, drive and kicks, screens, pick and rolls, pick and pops. The post moves are actually a lot better than most give live credit for probably because they are so simple to do. The spin move, the fake spin, up and under, hook shot, fadeaways all super easy to pull off with a single or double tap.
    Anyways, there really isn’t anyway I could argue with someone thinking 2k is monumentally better than Live. It’s honestly an incredible game. The real ness is so crazy that it’s almost detrimental to my enjoyment at times but that’s obviously just a personal opinion.
    But ya, bottom line, you are right, the reason I seem to prefer live is because it’s more arcade.
    CujoMatty
    I would say this is a fair assessment
    I guess for me it depends on an individuals definition of sim. Gameplay is definitely more arcadey with Live but for the most part I get more realistic stat lines with Live(other than 3 attempts) than I do 2k.
    I played a full season of 2k, every game and probably 3 1/2 full seasons of Live this year. I love both games. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind 2k is a waaaaay better game.
    That being said I always end up coming back to Live and it’s pretty much because of what you are saying. I can just play it. I don’t run a single play. I don’t have to know motion offence. I don’t have to worry about bouncing the ball off players when I want to dribble around like a crazy maniac. All of that is exactly what most people would probably list as negatives but I just wanna play.
    Maybe it’s cause I’m getting old, I love the depth Live has in its simplicity. It’s actually super hard to get people open in Live. I do dribble moves, drive and kicks, screens, pick and rolls, pick and pops. The post moves are actually a lot better than most give live credit for probably because they are so simple to do. The spin move, the fake spin, up and under, hook shot, fadeaways all super easy to pull off with a single or double tap.
    Anyways, there really isn’t anyway I could argue with someone thinking 2k is monumentally better than Live. It’s honestly an incredible game. The real ness is so crazy that it’s almost detrimental to my enjoyment at times but that’s obviously just a personal opinion.
    But ya, bottom line, you are right, the reason I seem to prefer live is because it’s more arcade.

    Yes 2k is amazing basketball but damn if Live isn't more fun to play to me. The games are more interesting and exciting
    Its not arcade that is why I fell like live has a lot of promise. I prefer sim but I think live has a lot of promise because the way guys move looks and fells more realistic then 2k and the crowd audio is better then 2k. Also you can get fouled on jump shoots including 3 pointers something that just dosnt happend in 2k and you can drawl more charges in nba live then 2k. Those are all things I fell like live does better then 2k and are all sim things not arcade. The problem with live is franchise mode needs to be a lot better and things like to many blocks, cpu not shooting enough 3 pointers, cpu playing guys to many minutes and not calling time outs are all problems that need to be worked on.
    Smallville102001
    Its not arcade that is why I fell like live has a lot of promise. I prefer sim but I think live has a lot of promise because the way guys move looks and fells more realistic then 2k and the crowd audio is better then 2k. Also you can get fouled on jump shoots including 3 pointers something that just dosnt happend in 2k and you can drawl more charges in nba live then 2k. Those are all things I fell like live does better then 2k and are all sim things not arcade. The problem with live is franchise mode needs to be a lot better and things like to many blocks, cpu not shooting enough 3 pointers, cpu playing guys to many minutes and not calling time outs are all problems that need to be worked on.

    Everyone has an opinion. However when it comes player movement looking better in live than 2k I feel pretty confident everyone on this website will agree that 2ks player movement is miles better. Live having bad player movement is probably the single biggest complaint of the game if you look at any review of it. Heck the live developers are quoted saying they know player movement looks weird and really don't know how to fix it.
    Sidenote: To the others who recently responded to my past comments, I agree with your responses, I didn't want to quote your comment into this one to keep this as short as possible.
    The 24th Letter
    I think you mean animations, not player movement right?

    Ya I definitely wouldn’t agree on player movement. They are both good but I think it’s better in live. Players cut with weight and just generally feel more responsive. Animations though 2k is better for sure.
    lon515
    Everyone has an opinion. However when it comes player movement looking better in live than 2k I feel pretty confident everyone on this website will agree that 2ks player movement is miles better. Live having bad player movement is probably the single biggest complaint of the game if you look at any review of it. Heck the live developers are quoted saying they know player movement looks weird and really don't know how to fix it.
    Sidenote: To the others who recently responded to my past comments, I agree with your responses, I didn't want to quote your comment into this one to keep this as short as possible.

    When I shelved the game six months ago or so the player movement was so bad it made me cringe. They had people going up for rebounds and doing 180s in air for rebounds and such.
    Trying it again a month or two ago, it is miles different and the most smooth and integrated movement I have ever seen in the game. It really has been improved since the first fee months or more of growing pains
    Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
    Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.
    Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.
    If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.
    I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.
    I still think it would be a good idea for EA to be more transparent. They still haven't "officially" came out and said anything about Live 20. We shouldn't had to rely on Polygon to see the financial report to put it together that the game was delayed. Even if it was just something "While we are excited about Live 20 and are hard at work, we want to explore a different approach with this year. So unfortunately, the game will release at a later date that will announced in the near future. But don't worry, we are determined to put out a high quality that you the fans expect." Something like that would help
    Klocker
    When I shelved the game six months ago or so the player movement was so bad it made me cringe. They had people going up for rebounds and doing 180s in air for rebounds and such.
    Trying it again a month or two ago, it is miles different and the most smooth and integrated movement I have ever seen in the game. It really has been improved since the first fee months or more of growing pains

    I wasn't talking about all the animations and like rebounds and such I mean the simple running movement. People say that 2k looks like players skating on ice. I never felt that way but I do think live looks and fells more realistic when it comes to that part. Over all animations though 2k is better for sure.
    lon515
    Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
    Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.
    Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.
    If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.
    I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.

    Did you check the game like in June?
    lareka
    Did you check the game like in June?

    Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.
    lon515
    Live has the worst player movement of any AAA sports game released this gen.
    Nba 2k, fifa, pes, madden, ufc, mlb the show, nhl all have way better player movement. Lives biggest hurdle it has and why it cant slowly chip away at the 2k fanbase is the player movement.
    Yea the animations are also more bare bones than any sports game on this gen too, but the animations they do have are not anything close to a realistic gate pattern at all.
    If we can't agree on that then live will never improve because the player movement is unacceptable for a major game of this generation.
    I'm an Occupational Therapist I literally work on reteaching the brain natrual body movement after a traumatic experience. Natural player movement is one of the first things I notice in any video game lol.

    You're not wrong, in part, but keep in mind that control and 'people moving realistically' are mutually exclusive. If you don't want wonky, choppy animations then you need to have a game where the animations finish themselves out and sometimes you end up pressing pass but the guy doesn't pass it until the animation finishes.
    This will always be the case until they somehow make each step a branching animation, and unfort that seems pretty far in the future.
    There are definitely some nitpicks I have about Live, just the online side because that's all I play, but I don't think what you mentioned bothers me that much. It's 'different', but like I said go into 1 v 1 and be like... Kyrie vs Steph or whatever and just watch the way a cross over works. It's kind of beautiful. Crossing into a drive, into a stop and step back is also beautiful. It doesn't feel 'wrong', but there are a lot of little weird things that annoy me that I've kind of just shrugged off.
    You ARE right in that the care 2k has shown in break sequences, guys at the FT line, the close up of guy's faces after they make a shot, that all is really immersive, but the actual player movement when you use the sticks (not just the way they make people move up and down the court or the animations it goes into when you press a button) is pretty equal if not a slight bit better on Live.
    Really this delay is catastrophic. I have not had the whole of my brain free to think about Live's plight, but thinking about it now, this is crazy stuff. I don't understand how Live fails so hard. It's like you think they are finally turning the corner then they blow it again. haha. But hopefully they have something good, like I said PUT IN RANKED TEAM PLAY. That alone will get way more people to play. All the really good players play in leagues or private games cuz everyone quits when they play vs randoms and end up up 16-2 in the beginning.
    Ranked team play is what is gonna satisfy me from Live, and an archetype based grind free (w/ preset chars, etc etc, 1000th time posting that) mode in 2k is what is gonna make me want to pick up their game, again. It's starting to seem like I'm just gonna have to play old stuff vs the cpu when I get a bball jones at a weird hour.
    -Smak
    BQ32
    Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.

    Yeah and the gameplay changed drastically in 9 months since the release. I just wanted to make sure he played the game at least 1 week ago and still commenting this bs? The player movement is pretty good right now in NBA Live 19. I don't understand being a "fan" of a game and defending it to the fullest. I played Nba 2K since 2006. But last 2-3 years i'm not liking the game. I was a big fan of their game because i liked the product, i'm not liking what they are doing last 3 years so i'm criticising them but for people if they liked a game from day 1, they become fans of that forever... They are totally subjective. Why should I be subjective? It's 60 $ i'm throwing at, i'll play what i like and i'll defend it if it does a good job for me. If not, to hell with it.
    I quit playing both Live19 and 2K19 in December, then came back to test 2K again in April, didn't like it again, deleted it again and checked live in May and I loved their last gameplay changes and enjoying it since then.(Franchise mode only)
    They should have done the same for Madden 20. They should have waited another month or 2 in order to flush out the nonsenual bugs and lack of anything innovative that made it worth releasing when it did. I enjoyed Live 19 until around the 4th patch. I just wish they would have taken the entire 2k19 control scheme. Why skimp on what worked. They took most of it but stopped at the areas where it mattered. I don't mind waiting.
    I mean, its definitely subjective...they did a great job of patching all those long plants for momenteum/ pull up shots.
    The beauty in Live's movement is facing a HUM opponent IMO, a lot more action/consequence is involved and it feels mostly fair..which is why I really enjoy Live Run. The way AI defense is set up makes me not want to play offline at all though, its like all those principles go out the window. I'm even wary when I get matched up against a Reggie Jackson bot in Live Run with my 7 footer, lol
    I feel like dribbling took a step back this year too....and to me, its where Live had been king for a while. I loved the 1:1 nature of the dribble stick, but now it's like it has load times and a lot of dead spots if you dont do an exact combination. Doing thing's like tight crosses after coming around a screen on a retreating center just feel clunky to me. Feels like your too tied to the rock, paper, scissors mechanic of getting past your defender to really be creative.
    The 24th Letter
    I mean, its definitely subjective...they did a great job of patching all those long plants for momenteum/ pull up shots.
    The beauty in Live's movement is facing a HUM opponent IMO, a lot more action/consequence is involved and it feels mostly fair..which is why I really enjoy Live Run. The way AI defense is set up makes me not want to play offline at all though, its like all those principles go out the window. I'm even wary when I get matched up against a Reggie Jackson bot in Live Run with my 7 footer, lol
    I feel like dribbling took a step back this year too....and to me, its where Live had been king for a while. I loved the 1:1 nature of the dribble stick, but now it's like it has load times and a lot of dead spots if you dont do an exact combination. Doing thing's like tight crosses after coming around a screen on a retreating center just feel clunky to me. Feels like your too tied to the rock, paper, scissors mechanic of getting past your defender to really be creative.

    About creativity in dribbling you are right. There are certain limits to what you can do and what you can't do. Some moves work, some don't. Last year it was more free, now it's more set, you know if it's going to work or not.
    The biggest - for me is not being able to adjust CPU's tendencies. Like they go to the post 90 % of the game and forget about 3 point attempts at all and they tend to play through their star way too often and etc.
    It would be nice to fix those but i'm glad that you can actually find a realistic solution to the foul rate when driving and how shot contest affects shots and etc., you can be at a great ground with right sliders, that thing matters to me a lot, in 2K it was hard to find a balance with sliders, i was never happy in nba 2k19, either not getting enough calls or getting too many calls or missing easy lay-ups with light contest
    BQ32
    Why even bother with comments like that, obviously he never had substantial playing time with it. Probably popped on the demo for a min, realized it felt way different than 2k and decided to profess his hatred for it. There are still some weird looking legacy animations in there but the actual way the players move, respond to directional input, and chain together moves are actually more realistic than the other game. So a comment like this is just a fan boy wasting people's time.

    Where in any of my comments did I say I hated the game. I clearly said I like playing the game better than 2k. HOWEVER because I like something doesn't mean I am biased to it. If you truly like something then you can point out it's flaws.
    I bought the game full price, not when it was on sale for 2 dollars, I guaranteed I played the game more than you I have 3 online players over 96 ovr.
    Because you can't be objective don't direct your animus towards me. Basketball isn't my favorite sport so id rather play an arcade basketball game, which is why I enjoy live more.
    Just because I enjoy something more, doesn't mean it's innately better, step out of your own world and come to reality the player movement is wonky and makes the game look ugly, but the arcadey gameplay makes it a fun game to play.
    lareka
    "They focused entirely too much on the street thing compared to the actual NBA stuff. " Isn't it the same for 2K too ? What do you think?

    I would disagree, 2K constantly brings new things to the gameplay whether its animations or other changes. They do market Neighborhood and MyPark more but they also work on gameplay and give us updates.
    Live has mostly switched their market towards the online related things.
    One place I will give Live credit is that they do update game art and even the other updates have been better this year than in the past.
    My overall point is that right now no matter what they do, 2K will have the better gameplay and that is to be expected with the foundation they have. Live can take advantage by making better modes and they have dropped the ball on most of the things outside of online street.
    There is no reason Live can't have a great franchise mode, etc etc.
    lareka
    Yeah and the gameplay changed drastically in 9 months since the release. I just wanted to make sure he played the game at least 1 week ago and still commenting this bs? The player movement is pretty good right now in NBA Live 19. I don't understand being a "fan" of a game and defending it to the fullest. I played Nba 2K since 2006. But last 2-3 years i'm not liking the game. I was a big fan of their game because i liked the product, i'm not liking what they are doing last 3 years so i'm criticising them but for people if they liked a game from day 1, they become fans of that forever... They are totally subjective. Why should I be subjective? It's 60 $ i'm throwing at, i'll play what i like and i'll defend it if it does a good job for me. If not, to hell with it.
    I quit playing both Live19 and 2K19 in December, then came back to test 2K again in April, didn't like it again, deleted it again and checked live in May and I loved their last gameplay changes and enjoying it since then.(Franchise mode only)

    Yeah I play both and hadn't touched live for many years until live 18 and 19. I'm no sim head by any means but I want the game to feel like its fair and realistic ro a point i dont need point for point realism. I enjoy both games. Live to me has just finally found a sweet spot in the last couple of months on the last update. it plays so much better than it did for the first nine months I totally agree.
    it has features that 2K20 is just now implementing like much more momentum-based foot planting and defensive anticipation its just a fun game play and the animations and gameflow have improved and motion has improved to be so much tighter than it was before.
    the game really is a blast to play now.
    I just hope to God they get rid of Jay Williams I had to turn the commentary off I actually miss Van gundy
    I'm playing this game actually as we speak and it just blows my mind that people just do not give it a chance and I think live lost its way back when I screwed up in the early 2010s. They just gave everybody nowhere to go but 2k and they are a great product but people just can't get used to the difference in the way this game plays and don't give it a chance. or just say it doesn't play like 2K and just give up
    Live has a higher pace of play
    natively than 2k. It’s why i feel it gets labeled “arcade” a lot. They are BOTH arcade-like in certain aspects. To compare fairly I always play Live at 2k’s pace of play then play 2k at Live’s pace to get a more accurate feel of the differences. I will say that playing 2k at Lives pace is definitely more enjoyable for me than 2k’s native pace. I enjoy both for specific reasons but enjoy Live more on the court, and 2k for its bells and whistles not tied to VC.
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    seanhazz1
    Live has a higher pace of play
    natively than 2k. It’s why i feel it gets labeled “arcade” a lot. They are BOTH arcade-like in certain aspects. To compare fairly I always play Live at 2k’s pace of play then play 2k at Live’s pace to get a more accurate feel of the differences. I will say that playing 2k at Lives pace is definitely more enjoyable for me than 2k’s native pace. I enjoy both for specific reasons but enjoy Live more on the court, and 2k for its bells and whistles not tied to VC.
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    I agree. Live is more up and down while 2k has that late 90's-early 00s feel. Where it is that slower halfcourt feel when not in H2H and where height and size are king and where speed isn't as important.
    I can’t say with certainty why EA decided to delay, but I think it may have a lot to do with their cloud gaming deals , their desire to be cross platform, and their desire to have their new games available for CLOUD gaming at launch on all platforms to combat Amazons new project.
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-04-microsoft-plans-xbox-live-for-nintendo-switch-mobile
    https://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-switch-move-over-microsofts-handheld-xbox-plans-revealed
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    I may tend to disagree prior to the spring patch I personally found the gameplay itself better than 2k the animations need work but the gameplay was strong the player models look much better on live to me. I even like the halftime show and post game show much better than 2k. The in game commentary is pure trash. The franchise is pitiful 20 years ago the Live 98 season mode was much more option you could play mutiple teams during the season and edit all players. The inability to play other teams in franchise is a deal breaker, and the last patch made 3 pointers impossible. Legends need to be playable as well if you want to compete with 2k. What is sad for me is they were so close.
    seanhazz1
    I can’t say with certainty why EA decided to delay, but I think it may have a lot to do with their cloud gaming deals , their desire to be cross platform, and their desire to have their new games available for CLOUD gaming at launch on all platforms to combat Amazons new project.
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google
    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-04-microsoft-plans-xbox-live-for-nintendo-switch-mobile
    https://www.t3.com/news/nintendo-switch-move-over-microsofts-handheld-xbox-plans-revealed

    If NBA Live 20 was cross platform, it would really improve matchmaking. The low sales do not help filling up teams. but if, especially on XB1, you could add in the PS4 guys, it would be huge.
    It's not beat 2K huge, but it would help the online portion a lot, and give the game a little more life in their challenge to increase sales.
    NBA Live 20, final list
    Pulled from all the communities the most logic, not the outrageous and this list will not only catch live up but it will surpass even an evolving competitor.
    Connected Francise, online with other users, player, coach owner
    BETTER CPU TRADE LOGIC and all trade rules
    multi team local season with multiple users as GMs
    Keep point upgrade system
    MORE ATTRIBUTES
    signature moves, dribble, layup dunks etc.
    Way more normal moves
    Better AI player abilities
    More role player badges
    Relocation, price increase, all star bid, stadium improvements
    Player morale issues, contract issues, personal issues, play time issues, and management system
    Better passing, more flashy and touch passing, better pick and role mechanic and controls
    More shooting fouls, less reach in fouls, better steals on ball exposure.
    More and better blow by animation, better blow by logic.
    Less powerful euro and floater
    More powerful drop step and underbasket spins
    Less powerful post play unless strong post player
    More back down strength with stronger players
    More dunks out of post when opponent is under rim
    Better alley op passing and logic
    Better passing lane steal animation and transition to drive
    More accurately 3 second, clear path, lose ball etc.
    Less canned blk animations
    More mid air counters
    At least 10 of each cross, double cross, behind back, stutter step, in and out and step back
    Full harden step back package, flop option
    Draw foul and pump fake options
    Argue with ref and tech options, stars get more benefit when fouling and argue with ref
    Avoid fouling attribute, i.e. khawi
    Better defense badges
    Great defenders, stronger impact, khawi and Rudy
    Better cutting
    Revamp entire play calling,
    Make playcalling effective without canned animations
    CPU defense reactions not choreographed but based on attributes
    Better give and go
    All star weekend
    All star draft, dunk contest, threepoint contest, USA vs world game, skills challange, coach selection, city selection
    Deeper franchise
    Online fantasy draft, mirror madden as much as possible.
    Choose rules, re draft previous year, xp sliders, free agent tendencies, play home, major market, blackballed, locker room menace, i.e. dwight Howard.
    Player contract negotiation, user can lose In Free agency
    Better CPU draft scouting
    Create draft class, import draft class
    Create player with photo face i.e. fight night, share roster sliders etc online.
    Classic rosters
    Import classic players into season, download classic rosters, import to season
    Switch teams and conference
    Jersey and merchandise sell tracker
    Owner goals and task
    Online ranking system
    Park on online one on one
    Ultimate team, legends, players I'm prime, i.e. d rose.
    Crowd reactions
    Better overlays, triple double counter.
    Early in season references
    BETTER COMMENTARY, more fluid, less scripted, better play by play, not just soo and soo with the ball. Better TV versus on court sound balance
    Better half time, although pretty stronger
    More Jersey options including classic
    Create teams, uniform, logo.
    The one pickup, rico Hines, etc.
    Post summer shoot around
    Better fan and social media impact
    More losses as non impact player in the one
    As star in the one, teammate morale issues if scoring all the points
    Player not getting average angry
    As superstar can encourage trade of teammates and trades for other players, can poo poo GM trades not agreed with i.e lebron
    More leveraged based and risk reward contract negotiations as player in franchise but especially the one
    Cloud vs local franchise
    Rebuild vs win now, vs make playoff team goals, owner personality impacts coach, GM etc.
    Bring back court battles as is, crazier but harder to earn rules, more content, more I stant gratification to encourage more play in this mode, ultimate team rewards for success in any mode in addition to coin.
    Ultimate team only pay to play mode, model after madden, teams can get far with challenges, more legends, team advantage cards.
    Gameplay
    Easier pick and poo, more mid range shots
    Strong contested shot takers can actually make contested shots
    Curry super high layup package
    Better standards handles for signature players not just signature moves. Curry behind the back with curry with having to execute combo
    Speed and strength more important to blow by mini game
    Smoother dribble counters not always stopped by contact
    More steal animations, especially with good defender and good pressure.
    Tony Allen has no impact in 19, more role player impacts
    More ai post up, cuts to rim when defense plays close or sags
    Ability to counter fastbrake through coach settings, more double teams
    Better double team AI, half vs full commitment
    At least 20 of each, fadeaway, hook shots, post up and under, fakes etc. Better post repertoire.
    Gear with boost, i.e. kyrie sneakers handle, lebron chase down block etc.
    Line up lock no auto CPU reset in franchise
    More euros, euro to dunk, euro to floater animations
    Get opponent to commint draw foul, pull chair, less two hand blocks, more straight layups, less scoope for bigs
    Fake pass, works against low awareness
    Injury impact growth
    In game injuries, reduce injury come back time risk reward system i.e.madden
    Career ending, season long in injury, based on attribute, stamina, progressive fatigue and actions.
    WNBA franchise and playoff
    WNBA vs NBA online play now
    G league teams, summer league, USA team selection every 4 years for Olympics, Olympic city selection
    Rewards tracking, mvps, gold medal etc.
    Goat tracking task to become the best ever
    Draft combine events
    All American game
    Outrageous dunks in dunk contest and streets, outrageous handles only in streets not NBA.
    I international players in draft, draft stash
    Real contracts and salaries
    Expiring contract vs overpaid contract in trade logic and rejection response.
    Auto replay commentary
    Auto taunts and aftershot actions
    Higher crowd involvement
    Way more first take
    Photos and news i.e. madden
    Rewards race, hype meter i.e. harden westbrook MVP race
    After finals NBA award show
    Crowd chance, MVP, boo,
    High pressure free throw
    More playcalling specifically for buzzer beaters
    More 4th quarter impact for impact players
    More noticeable impact for defense clutch players i.e khawi,
    Superstar x factor with ability to trigger through task, and counter, but also turn off.
    Edit player In Franchise, force trade not on cloud or shared
    Assign wins and Lost, full madden admin suite, clear penalty, edit draft class, sim day etc.
    Play games out of order.
    29, 56, 82 and 14 game options
    Trade logic based on francise length, sliders for logic, rookie and draft pick weighting
    Xp required to upgrade fares with season length etc.
    Users do not play online e franchise at 82 games remember that .
    More headwear in street backwards hats.
    Specially appearance, love and basketball, white man cant jump, he got game on streets etc.
    Special items for specially appearence
    Street ball legend, professor, skip to my lou.
    Famous street moves, shamgod etc.
    More crowd and camera cuts, candid moments
    Halftime show street and NBA, crowd participation
    Buzzer shot review
    Who is it out on review, 2 or 3 pointer review in close games.
    Hack a ..... technique in coaching with matching commentary
    Intentional foul late game, hack a rules...
    More flagrants
    Smarter intentional foul ai. Currently is none.
    Build area, upload download logos
    Edit scoreboard, seating etc.
    I'm not sure, why EA needs to assess the problem when they already know what the problem is. The game is not selling, it plays stiff, lacks animations across the board, they need to fix the unstoppable dunks, the unstoppable layups, the psychic A.I., and the terrible passing.
    The game has bright spots but one of NBA Live’s biggest pitfalls has been starting over from scratch and changing direction too often. If EA wants this franchise to really do well they're going to have to choose a direction and stick to it with continuous development and put forth the money and resources to make it the best product it can be!!
    I have a theory that this delay is actually a marketing tool. Yeah, I know it may sound strange, but think about it: Live cannot release together with 2K. It just doesn't work and has hurt the franchise again and again, even if the game is great.
    By releasing on their own time they do 3 things:
    1. Differentiate their game, it's no longer "their game vs our game", it's just "our game" (yeah, comparisons will come, but later).
    2. By releasing closer to the holiday season, their product becomes an instant gift, as many have already bought the other game.
    3. If(!) the game is actually great, it will make it look even better after all the doubt caused by late release.
    To sum it up, Live needs to be differentiated, needs to be on its own, can't be one of 2 options again.
    On the other hand, since next year looks to be the year of a new generation, it's possible that EA is working extra hard in a glorious release of Live 21 that will make us all forget about Live 14 like it never happened.
    Charles Bliss
    I'm not sure, why EA needs to assess the problem when they already know what the problem is. The game is not selling, it plays stiff, lacks animations across the board, they need to fix the unstoppable dunks, the unstoppable layups, the psychic A.I., and the terrible passing.
    The game has bright spots but one of NBA Live’s biggest pitfalls has been starting over from scratch and changing direction too often. If EA wants this franchise to really do well they're going to have to choose a direction and stick to it with continuous development and put forth the money and resources to make it the best product it can be!!

    There's no stiff animations or unstoppable dunks / lay-ups. Go check this new thread and videos by me and see it yourself:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-live/956951-nba-live-19-full-game-franchise-mode-updated-game-check-out.html
    I basically recorded these videos yesterdays to eliminate such bs about nba live that you and some others are doing by playing the game probably only a few times and probably a few months ago...
    lareka
    A great read-up by Polygon about the situation, titled "Why are we asking where the hell is NBA Live again?"
    https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/17/20810401/nba-live-20-release-dates-ps4-xbox-one-delay-cancel

    Ya this article is exactly what I’m thinking. Smak and I were both saying how it would make zero sense for Live to try and reinvent the wheel at this point. If they are trying to do that and the game gets delayed further or even cancelled I’m done.
    lareka
    There's no stiff animations or unstoppable dunks / lay-ups. Go check this new thread and videos by me and see it yourself:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-live/956951-nba-live-19-full-game-franchise-mode-updated-game-check-out.html
    I basically recorded these videos yesterdays to eliminate such bs about nba live that you and some others are doing by playing the game probably only a few times and probably a few months ago...

    I respect your opinion, but I disagree they're still some animations that does look stiff or unnatural. Also, they're moments in the game when layups and dunks are unstoppable. I've been playing the game for the past week. I'm just giving my observations about the game and things I've experienced with it! I'm not here to bash it.

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