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NBA Live 20 Officially Canceled, Team Focused on PlayStation 5 and Project Scarlett

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NBA Live 20 Officially Canceled, Team Focused on PlayStation 5 and Project Scarlett

It’s official… and probably not a surprise to anyone. NBA Live 20 has been canceled, as confirmed by Polygon.

Here’s what Andrew Wilson, EA’s chief executive had to say during the investors call.

We’re not launching a new NBA Live HD product this season, instead, we’re expanding our vision, leaning hard into the new leading-edge platforms, and taking the time to ensure we deliver against the opportunity for our players.

Basically, the team is full steam ahead on creating the next iteration of NBA Live on the PlayStation 5 and Project Scarlett.

Here’s the official response from the NBA Live Twitter feed.

Back in late July, EA announced they were delaying NBA Live 20, but the writing was on the wall back then as well, as typically the game was canceled after announcing a delay.

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  1. Not a good sign for fans.
    Not a good sign for 2K fans either, since you want competition to push you creatively.
    Hopefully EA can move the game to Frostbite and be ready for next gen launch.
    Justonepost
    Not a good sign for fans.
    Not a good sign for 2K fans either, since you want competition to push you creatively.
    Hopefully EA can move the game to Frostbite and be ready for next gen launch.

    And how's the frostbite engine gonna solve it?, if memory serves me correct. When EA introduce the Frostbite engine into madden 18 (I've believed) it didn't worked out as they originally thought and introduced some bugs because the engine itself only known for FPS' (I.E. Battlefield).
    So bringing frostbite to the game is gonna hurt it even more if it's coming out to the PS5 and Xbox Scarlet at some point.
    Disappointing but this could pay off next year. Hopefully they didn't waste their time over the past year and put in work that will benefit the game for next gen. By not releasing a game this year they can focus all of their attention on next year's product and harnessing the full power of the new consoles.
    That said, if EA isn't able to fully deliver with Live next year that could be the final nail in the coffin. They've had plenty of chances and basketball fans have been willing to give EA the benefit of doubt with Live's struggles over the years. But next year there are no excuses for having a lackluster product.
    scottyp180
    Disappointing but this could pay off next year. Hopefully they didn't waste their time over the past year and put in work that will benefit the game for next gen. By not releasing a game this year they can focus all of their attention on next year's product and harnessing the full power of the new consoles.
    That said, if EA isn't able to fully deliver with Live next year that could be the final nail in the coffin. They've had plenty of chances and basketball fans have been willing to give EA the benefit of doubt with Live's struggles over the years. But next year there are no excuses for having a lackluster product.

    how many times have people said this? They have done this like 3 times now
    Wonder if it would be a big undertaking to just integrate the new schedule into 19? They already did rosters so it doesn't seem too out of the question...
    I’m one of the few Live fans around and I have zero confidence that this is a good thing. They haven’t been able to make a good decision in 10 years and I’m  not believing they will miraculously find the secret sauce  just because it’s new hardware. 
    And the thing is if it’s only on next gen systems. That’s off top putting the game behind the 8ball. Being these new consoles launch in Nov. 2k would been already out over 2 months before live
    Damn...hopefully they got something for next gen. Thanks to EPIC gobbling up exclusives I've learned to be a patient gamer.
    With the news of EA coming back to Steam it would be nice to see future NBA Live games come to PC.
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    ordinarily I would think this is bad for competition. I believe there should always be two games for every sport, but NBA 2K has not competed with Live for the entire decade and has continually improved.
    Sales numbers each year have grown to the point it is now competing with all large video game franchises in and out of the sports genre. The only sports franchise competing against it is FIFA.
    And finally, the most basic reason of all:
    The 2K League is incentive enough to continue to improve. This game is making so much money and NBA exposure, they have to improve every year because companies like money.
    scottyp180
    Disappointing but this could pay off next year. Hopefully they didn't waste their time over the past year and put in work that will benefit the game for next gen. By not releasing a game this year they can focus all of their attention on next year's product and harnessing the full power of the new consoles.
    That said, if EA isn't able to fully deliver with Live next year that could be the final nail in the coffin. They've had plenty of chances and basketball fans have been willing to give EA the benefit of doubt with Live's struggles over the years. But next year there are no excuses for having a lackluster product.

    Remember when NBA Elite '11 was cancelled and they were going to use all that time to make NBA Live '12 an amazing game but that didn't happen and '12 was cancelled too. Maybe you remember on the heels of that cancellation that NBA Live '13 was going to definitely deliver the goods to all the patient Live fans because it had 2 years of development time behind it to ensure that they got back on track only for that to not happen as Live '13 was also cancelled. Or maybe you remember that gut punch when we found out that Live '13 didn't have a 2 year development cycle as they opted to do nothing for a full year and gave Live '13 a standard development cycle.....
    I'm ok with that. Was hoping for a new Live but oh well. It just means that I'll have more time to finish editing rosters and doing some testings on Live 18, which is a great game.
    Last time they took a year off they came back strong (maybe not financially, though) with 18. So hopefully they are working on something special. And I only care about the NBA gameplay, not intetested in anything else.
    Just don't give us another Live 14...
    AndreTheTruth
    And how's the frostbite engine gonna solve it?, if memory serves me correct. When EA introduce the Frostbite engine into madden 18 (I've believed) it didn't worked out as they originally thought and introduced some bugs because the engine itself only known for FPS' (I.E. Battlefield).
    So bringing frostbite to the game is gonna hurt it even more if it's coming out to the PS5 and Xbox Scarlet at some point.

    Yeah, I don't know why some people think Frostbite is the solution to all problems. It's not going to change the game from the ground up. I bet if Live moved to Frostbite, we wouldn't even realize it if EA didn't tell us about it.
    Judging by 19, EA know how to make the game look and move more realistically, and that's more important than the name of the engine.
    They lied and said it was delayed and coming out
    They play this game every time
    Don’t keep people on the fences with your silence and then cancel it. Bad business practice
    King_B_Mack
    Remember when NBA Elite '11 was cancelled and they were going to use all that time to make NBA Live '12 an amazing game but that didn't happen and '12 was cancelled too. Maybe you remember on the heels of that cancellation that NBA Live '13 was going to definitely deliver the goods to all the patient Live fans because it had 2 years of development time behind it to ensure that they got back on track only for that to not happen as Live '13 was also cancelled. Or maybe you remember that gut punch when we found out that Live '13 didn't have a 2 year development cycle as they opted to do nothing for a full year and gave Live '13 a standard development cycle.....

    You are completely correct but the situations arent exactly the same. EA attempted to completely change the series with NBA Elite and it derailed the franchise for years to the point where people believed EA was done with NBA games. At least in this situation there is a solid foundation to build on. Live 19 was easily the best release in the series since Live 10 and showed promise for the future. With the extra development time and fresh new powerful hardware there is plenty of potential for the next release.
    Now don't get me wrong, this is a "looking at the glass half full" situation where I am essentially ignoring the past issues and shortcomings of the series. I just think there is potential for EA to release a very solid product with the next Live
    I think the best sports analogy would be the Cleveland Browns. A historically bad franchise that showed potential last year, like Live 19, with a lot of hope going into this year. The Browns haven't been able to turn it around but maybe EA can.
    tgiordano
    They lied and said it was delayed and coming out
    They play this game every time
    Don’t keep people on the fences with your silence and then cancel it. Bad business practice

    I doubt they planned on cancelling the game when they first announced the delay. There was speculation that the game would release around All-star break so if that was discussed there was likely a lot of debate within EA about when the game would be ready and when it could be released and it got to a point where they decided they were better off taking the year off.
    At this point I think it was the right decision regardless. No reason to release Live 20 just to release a game. With the way sales have gone with the series they would have had to blow people out of the water for the game to sell well and clearly that wasn't going to happen. This at least gives them a chance to, essentially, start fresh next gen and possibly release a product that looks and feels like a next gen NBA videogame.
    scottyp180
    I doubt they planned on cancelling the game when they first announced the delay. There was speculation that the game would release around All-star break so if that was discussed there was likely a lot of debate within EA about when the game would be ready and when it could be released and it got to a point where they decided they were better off taking the year off.
    At this point I think it was the right decision regardless. No reason to release Live 20 just to release a game. With the way sales have gone with the series they would have had to blow people out of the water for the game to sell well and clearly that wasn't going to happen. This at least gives them a chance to, essentially, start fresh next gen and possibly release a product that looks and feels like a next gen NBA videogame.

    Ummmm...starting fresh is not a good scenario for Live. It means starting over with a sub-par product that would need another 3 years just to become decent. Hopefully they are building on 18 and 19 - but making it still feel and look fresh, as well as being innovative. A next gen game should justify a realease on new consoles, it has to be amazing.
    As far as graphics, I don't think we need to worry. In my opinion 18 and 19 look great and I can see myself still liking the graphics 2-3 years from now. How everything else will be is remained to be seen.
    Not surprised. At the end of the day Live just isnt a good game, it hasn't been in a long time. The most telling thing about Live is that the only time the game was/is praised is when its referenced to 2K in some way. In a vacuum, very, very few people discussed actually playing and enjoying the game.
    EA has had enough time to right this ship. If EA is still adamant about the basketball market then write the NBA off and get in on the ground floor of a return to College Basketball next gen.
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    Exile04
    Maybe they are taking the news about the NCAA changing their stance on paying players. Taking that news and going to transition to a NCAA basketball game with the next gen consoles.
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    to early for theories They arent itching to pay NCAA players for the rights to use their face for a video game.
    Doesnt surpise me. Once they updated 19 with current seasons rosters that was the sign. After 10 years they are still years being the competition in total offering. Bad sign that they cant get it together and release competent product after the 3 restarts and 3 cancellations.
    They may just cancel the entire series. I don't see how they can continue wasting resources and loosing money on it. Even if the next Live game is amazing better than the next 2K sells are going to be lackluster.
    If these same devs are working on Live for next gen, theyre gonna repeat the same things. This group of Live devs are TERRIBLE at making a competent NBA game. Why would you trust them? They just cancelled 2 games within 4 years, and 5 games within the last 10. FIRE ALL OF THEM. No one is buying the game they make. Sales aren't growing. Lives entire sales from the 1st game til now don't compare to 2k's last 3 games sales wise.
    I'd rather have the entire Sesame Street muppets make the next game.
    Big Bird: creative director
    Oscar The Grouch: QA, he'll tell you what's trash and what not, because real live fans are brownnosers and won't.
    Cookie Monster: marketing/hype man
    Guy Smiley: community manager
    Bert & Ernie: Live's version of LD2k/Ronnie
    Count von Count: he'll tell you how many cancelations the games been through.
    Forgetful Jones: he'll forget community wishlist going back a few years
    Mr. Snuffleupagus: to temper the fanboys about Live going to be great again.
    Sherlock Hemlock: for overlooking the biggest main request for small fluff the fans ask for yearly.
    Telly Monster: the suits, because they worry about sales
    The Honkers: are the devs
    Im serious about this. Also they aren't allowed to put current rookies in the previous game.
    Junior Moe
    Not surprised. At the end of the day Live just isnt a good game

    it actually was a good game for the past two years. It's sad that you didn't give yourself a chance to experience it with an open mind. Even reviewers didn't act like it was a bad game, and they had no real incentive to lie. They also probably didn't get nearly the amount of time some of us who actually played the game all year got to understand and appreciate it.
    Like I said, it's sad it got cancelled. It's sad nobody was buying it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was actually a good game. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to say Live wasn't at least a 7/10, but it's probably an 8.
    Luckily, people are still playing online, but I really hoped they would keep their word. I find that to be pretty bogus. Very poor move by a company that doesn't have a great record in terms of these things, but as for the quality of the game, what they gave us... I haven't enjoyed a game that much in years, and I'm a 'sim dude.'
    -Smak
    it actually was a good game for the past two years. It's sad that you didn't give yourself a chance to experience it with an open mind. Even reviewers didn't act like it was a bad game, and they had no real incentive to lie. They also probably didn't get nearly the amount of time some of us who actually played the game all year got to understand and appreciate it.
    Like I said, it's sad it got cancelled. It's sad nobody was buying it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was actually a good game. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to say Live wasn't at least a 7/10, but it's probably an 8.
    Seriously wth!!?? Ppl like you are definetly the problem & i see you constatntly defending 2K as well...im pretty confident there is very little in this world u would say isnt good, or you would put a positive spin on everything, its beyond sick! The God Damn game was cancelled & YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING IT... the true irony here is the same day this happens 2K20 is dropping free copies all over x box members..
    Despite your head in the sand attitude it seems like the sky really is finally falling... As far as im concerned im happy to this because with any luck the NHL series shuts down next & than EA shuts down... NHL was the first game i had to let go of because it is EASILY THE WORST SPORTS GAME OUT THERE. Bar none its not even close...
    Ppl r tired of this b*llSh*t & its really nice to see smart ppl wiseing up & closing there wallets... im really curious to see where your deflections & rationales go from here because at this point it looks like Take Two is in the headlights & one more mist step might kill them.. & thats not even talking about the true house of cards... if there money laundering microtransactions ways get cut off at the knees, that will be awesome...
    STOP ACCEPTING CRAP SMAK... u have been for years!!
    Odd, last comment didn't take.
    FLASHBACK:  “NHL 14 will not be available for Xbox One or PlayStation 4 this year. Our team is laser-focused on delivering the greatest hockey experience to-date on the Xbox 360 and PS3, grounded in the speed, skill, and aggression of the sport. We look forward to developing a best-in-class hockey experience for new platforms in the future.”
    How did THAT work out?
    I'm not surprised, unfortunately the writing was on the wall when they updated the rosters. It's a shame they didn't come out much sooner with the announcement. I don't like the fact they're using next-gen as an excuse and cop out.
    Next gen hardware doesn't warrant success, their track record for transitioning over to new consoles hasn't been great. If they couldn't get it right this time around I don't expect next-gen to be any different, if the lack of talent and resource are still the main problems.
    This game is dead........
    How you can have any faith or belief that “they will get it right this time around” is beyond me......
    It’s done......
    Lockette
    it actually was a good game for the past two years. It's sad that you didn't give yourself a chance to experience it with an open mind. Even reviewers didn't act like it was a bad game, and they had no real incentive to lie. They also probably didn't get nearly the amount of time some of us who actually played the game all year got to understand and appreciate it.
    Like I said, it's sad it got cancelled. It's sad nobody was buying it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was actually a good game. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to say Live wasn't at least a 7/10, but it's probably an 8.
    Seriously wth!!?? Ppl like you are definetly the problem & i see you constatntly defending 2K as well...im pretty confident there is very little in this world u would say isnt good, or you would put a positive spin on everything, its beyond sick! The God Damn game was cancelled & YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING IT... the true irony here is the same day this happens 2K20 is dropping free copies all over x box members..
    Despite your head in the sand attitude it seems like the sky really is finally falling... As far as im concerned im happy to this because with any luck the NHL series shuts down next & than EA shuts down... NHL was the first game i had to let go of because it is EASILY THE WORST SPORTS GAME OUT THERE. Bar none its not even close...
    Ppl r tired of this b*llSh*t & its really nice to see smart ppl wiseing up & closing there wallets... im really curious to see where your deflections & rationales go from here because at this point it looks like Take Two is in the headlights & one more mist step might kill them.. & thats not even talking about the true house of cards... if there money laundering microtransactions ways get cut off at the knees, that will be awesome...
    STOP ACCEPTING CRAP SMAK... u have been for years!!

    Haha I didn't read the whole thing, but I think my life might change a little after this pep talk. Thanks. For the laugh, too.
    -Smak
    The year is 2039. EA releases a statement saying that they are cancelling launch of NBA Live '40 as they felt the best course of action for the series was to dedicate their efforts to ensuring the series is at it's best for the launch of the next gen consoles coming in 2040.
    The NBA Live diehard community: "You know this is a good strategy. While I'm disappointed because Live '38 was just a fun game if you gave it a chance, this gives them a chance to polish some things up and add some more animations. When the PS7 drops next year I think they finally get it right and can get back to the Live we all fell in love with all those years ago...."
    :splat::splat::splat:
    scottyp180
    I doubt they planned on cancelling the game when they first announced the delay. There was speculation that the game would release around All-star break so if that was discussed there was likely a lot of debate within EA about when the game would be ready and when it could be released and it got to a point where they decided they were better off taking the year off.
    At this point I think it was the right decision regardless. No reason to release Live 20 just to release a game. With the way sales have gone with the series they would have had to blow people out of the water for the game to sell well and clearly that wasn't going to happen. This at least gives them a chance to, essentially, start fresh next gen and possibly release a product that looks and feels like a next gen NBA videogame.

    I see what you are saying but to say there is no reason to release a game i don’t agree with. It took them 10 years to gain any momentum and they finally did with 18 and 19. Sure it wasn’t a lot of momentum but it was some and that’s what this franchise desperately needs. They aren’t going to just miraculously put out a game in one year that will compete for market share. They need to build on successes and gain trust back. I thought they finally figured that out but here we are again.
    So ya I think they should have released 20 even if it was marginally better than 19. At worst they weren’t turning off any more people than already don’t play live and at best they are making the small Live community happy and continuing momentum.
    EA just doesn’t get it and I’m finally on board that they just need to not even bother with Live.
    Mintsa
    This game is dead........
    How you can have any faith or belief that “they will get it right this time around” is beyond me......
    It’s done......

    At the very least, you have to say EA doesn't want to give up with Live. Because they are investing more money developing the next gen. Basically have to build from the ground up again since they feel they can't relesse a game for this gen anymore. They have just under 12 months(when game would go gold) to develop basically develop from scratch. So there best case scenario for start of next gen, would be too set the foundation for the future. So we would still be looking at another 3-5 years before we get a solid game.
    CujoMatty
    I see what you are saying but to say there is no reason to release a game i don’t agree with. It took them 10 years to gain any momentum and they finally did with 18 and 19. Sure it wasn’t a lot of momentum but it was some and that’s what this franchise desperately needs. They aren’t going to just miraculously put out a game in one year that will compete for market share. They need to build on successes and gain trust back. I thought they finally figured that out but here we are again.
    So ya I think they should have released 20 even if it was marginally better than 19. At worst they weren’t turning off any more people than already don’t play live and at best they are making the small Live community happy and continuing momentum.
    EA just doesn’t get it and I’m finally on board that they just need to not even bother with Live.

    Almost better off going back to the NBA Street path again. Would sell well if they could get back to where it was in the PS2 days
    King_B_Mack
    The year is 2039. EA releases a statement saying that they are cancelling launch of NBA Live '40 as they felt the best course of action for the series was to dedicate their efforts to ensuring the series is at it's best for the launch of the next gen consoles coming in 2040.
    The NBA Live diehard community: "You know this is a good strategy. While I'm disappointed because Live '38 was just a fun game if you gave it a chance, this gives them a chance to polish some things up and add some more animations. When the PS7 drops next year I think they finally get it right and can get back to the Live we all fell in love with all those years ago...."
    :splat::splat::splat:

    That was hilarious lol
    King_B_Mack
    The year is 2039. EA releases a statement saying that they are cancelling launch of NBA Live '40 as they felt the best course of action for the series was to dedicate their efforts to ensuring the series is at it's best for the launch of the next gen consoles coming in 2040.
    The NBA Live diehard community: "You know this is a good strategy. While I'm disappointed because Live '38 was just a fun game if you gave it a chance, this gives them a chance to polish some things up and add some more animations. When the PS7 drops next year I think they finally get it right and can get back to the Live we all fell in love with all those years ago...."
    :splat::splat::splat:

    YEP this is the model of the live community now. Always full of hope year after year just for EA to disappoint
    King_B_Mack
    The year is 2039. EA releases a statement saying that they are cancelling launch of NBA Live '40 as they felt the best course of action for the series was to dedicate their efforts to ensuring the series is at it's best for the launch of the next gen consoles coming in 2040.
    The NBA Live diehard community: "You know this is a good strategy. While I'm disappointed because Live '38 was just a fun game if you gave it a chance, this gives them a chance to polish some things up and add some more animations. When the PS7 drops next year I think they finally get it right and can get back to the Live we all fell in love with all those years ago...."
    :splat::splat::splat:

    Spot on loooool
    I've trashed Live and EA through my years here more than anything else (was even sent to the cell once about 12 years ago, when it was a legitimate punishment here).
    I don't care anymore about who makes the game, all I care is to have a solid NBA game on the court which makes it fun for me. Don't care about online or player creations. And Live 18 and 19 have been good to me, having a blast with these.
    EA did a fantastic job and if they weren't destroying their basketball brand the last 10 years, these last 2 titles would be selling like hot buns.
    Hopefully going forward they will continue on the right track and stop cancelling games.
    Mintsa
    This game is dead........
    How you can have any faith or belief that “they will get it right this time around” is beyond me......
    It’s done......

    Rational gamers understand that there was never a reason for faith. When the game comes out, is it fun or not? If it doesn't come out, then you are playing something else.
    I really enjoyed Live 19, and I wish there was a Live 20 coming. It's not coming out, so I will be playing more NHL this year.
    But, I guess, if you want in on the fanboy wars, it is important to care about games you don't play. Can you tell me what "knowing" Live 20 wasn't coming saved you versus me, who thought it would release?
    dubcity
    ...
    King_B_Mack
    The year is 2039. EA releases a statement saying that they are cancelling launch of NBA Live '40 as they felt the best course of action for the series was to dedicate their efforts to ensuring the series is at it's best for the launch of the next gen consoles coming in 2040.
    The NBA Live diehard community: "You know this is a good strategy. While I'm disappointed because Live '38 was just a fun game if you gave it a chance, this gives them a chance to polish some things up and add some more animations. When the PS7 drops next year I think they finally get it right and can get back to the Live we all fell in love with all those years ago...."
    :splat::splat::splat:
    I SWEAR, you cannot make this **** up. . . this is so fuggin' spot on I had to tell my son to "hold my beer" so I could lol
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    rp1979
    EA Sports
    Its in the game
    Thanks god 2K does nba games

    If wish I enjoyed 2K's style of gameplay. Of course, if I did, I would be discussing the game in the 2K forums instead of trolling the Live forums.
    Some people are bummed that Live is dead. May not be a ton of people, but why would anyone want to troll folks bummed that a game franchise they liked has been canceled? Seems like a pretty pathetic dick move.
    JayhawkerStL
    If wish I enjoyed 2K's style of gameplay. Of course, if I did, I would be discussing the game in the 2K forums instead of trolling the Live forums.
    Some people are bummed that Live is dead. May not be a ton of people, but why would anyone want to troll folks bummed that a game franchise they liked has been canceled? Seems like a pretty pathetic dick move.

    I feel more trolled by ea. Dudes are mad I still post on 2k side about micros I'm sure, but I'm v passionate about it and the game-ificafion of 2k.
    It ain't 2011 any more. Elite is a distant memory. I don't feel like I fall on either side of this war but imo 18/19 were far and away better than 09/10. And they weren't even 50% done fleshing it out. This is just awful news for ea. Like I said they must have got shafted on name rights or something because it makes no sense they'd cancel it. Live really was trash imo in 07 and 08 (skipped after watching game play), redeemed itself with 09 and 10 then became a meme for at least 5 years just because of how poorly elite was received.
    If you had told me 18 was gonna be good before I played it when they had free online demo, I would have been like hehhh. But it was. It just didn't have fouls and quarters like 19 did. 20 could have taken another little step with the things I'm always harping over.
    It's not an ea vs 2k thing.i think ea is just as trash of a company as any other aaa one, but it's sad to see a game that is good and can get a lot better get canceled. And if they don't mess with stuff too much their next offering probably will be good too, but it sucks to wait. I dono if I'm even gonna do next gen this time and probably Def not at launch.
    So Yea the salt is real for not having a new toy for this year and ea did us dirty, even with "signs" I like to think people will be somewhat honest and not shoot themselves in the foot. They basically screwed themselves and their fans,; they deserve to be made fun of. But people seem to be making fun of those who enjoy live, as they always have, as If we are somehow unintelligent or too easily satisfied. "stop accepting crap, Smak!' style.
    Should have just bought a slap chop and been done w it.
    -Smak
    Yet, I played the crap out of both 18 and 19. It only died this year for me.
    EA screwed up the franchise when thy tried to reboot it as Elite. At that time, 2K took off and created My Player, which has become the most played mode in sports games. Throw in the heavy, heavy anti EA bias gamers have, and it was impossible to expect EA to win mindshare. While 18 and 19 were very good games, they get trashed regularly by those that do t play it.
    2K went through the same experience with MLB2K. Like Live, it was more fun play, but a series of bug ridden releases turned it into a punching bag for Show fans. Even though by 2K12 it was a really good game, it became clear it would never win mindshare again.
    This is exactly how we get to only one game per sport. Fans of the dominant game are not content to enjoy their game, but mock anyone that plays the other game. The rise of social media probably contributed to this. Kinda hard to build up interest in the game when their is a cottage industry of executive gamers that live to **** on games.
    For a site that professes a love of sports games, the community has a long history of just crapping on games. And now we see the only games left getting just as trashed.
    Seriously, sim gamers have ruined sports gaming. They have made perfect the enemy of good. A game is either great or trash.
    There goes part of my childhood.
    Live has been garbage since 06 on xbox 360 with the exception of 10, 18, and 19.
    And I'm sure it will be garbage next gen.
    They should stick to what they do well, which is arcade ball, and leave the SIM ball to 2k. At this point it's embarrassing.
    R.I.P NBA LIVE
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    JayhawkerStL
    Yet, I played the crap out of both 18 and 19. It only died this year for me.
    EA screwed up the franchise when thy tried to reboot it as Elite. At that time, 2K took off and created My Player, which has become the most played mode in sports games. Throw in the heavy, heavy anti EA bias gamers have, and it was impossible to expect EA to win mindshare. While 18 and 19 were very good games, they get trashed regularly by those that do t play it.
    2K went through the same experience with MLB2K. Like Live, it was more fun play, but a series of bug ridden releases turned it into a punching bag for Show fans. Even though by 2K12 it was a really good game, it became clear it would never win mindshare again.
    This is exactly how we get to only one game per sport. Fans of the dominant game are not content to enjoy their game, but mock anyone that plays the other game. The rise of social media probably contributed to this. Kinda hard to build up interest in the game when their is a cottage industry of executive gamers that live to **** on games.
    For a site that professes a love of sports games, the community has a long history of just crapping on games. And now we see the only games left getting just as trashed.
    Seriously, sim gamers have ruined sports gaming. They have made perfect the enemy of good. A game is either great or trash.

    nope cant cosign this. SIMULATION gamers asked for nba focus and the focus has been on getting kids and casuals to buy 2k due to them wasting money on microtransactions. Live ignored the nba side for the past 2 games and focused on created player fantasy modes. Live has never been a simulation its been a mix of arcade and realisim.
    youvalss
    I'm ok with that. Was hoping for a new Live but oh well. It just means that I'll have more time to finish editing rosters and doing some testings on Live 18, which is a great game.
    Last time they took a year off they came back strong (maybe not financially, though) with 18. So hopefully they are working on something special. And I only care about the NBA gameplay, not intetested in anything else.
    Just don't give us another Live 14...

    Get 19 its even better than 18
    tgiordano
    They suck
    All ea sports are terrible
    They should be ashamed of themselves
    What a disgrace 3 times they did this

    Live 19 was a great game, you dont know what you're talking about
    scottyp180
    I doubt they planned on cancelling the game when they first announced the delay. There was speculation that the game would release around All-star break so if that was discussed there was likely a lot of debate within EA about when the game would be ready and when it could be released and it got to a point where they decided they were better off taking the year off.
    At this point I think it was the right decision regardless. No reason to release Live 20 just to release a game. With the way sales have gone with the series they would have had to blow people out of the water for the game to sell well and clearly that wasn't going to happen. This at least gives them a chance to, essentially, start fresh next gen and possibly release a product that looks and feels like a next gen NBA videogame.
    at the beginning of the day, middle of the day, and the end of the day, NBA live 19 was a really good basketball game that any real Hooper with a basketball instinct could appreciate. Anybody that says live 19 was anything but good to great shouldn't be taken serious about anything related to basketball video games.
    Lockette
    it actually was a good game for the past two years. It's sad that you didn't give yourself a chance to experience it with an open mind. Even reviewers didn't act like it was a bad game, and they had no real incentive to lie. They also probably didn't get nearly the amount of time some of us who actually played the game all year got to understand and appreciate it.
    Like I said, it's sad it got cancelled. It's sad nobody was buying it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was actually a good game. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to say Live wasn't at least a 7/10, but it's probably an 8.
    Seriously wth!!?? Ppl like you are definetly the problem & i see you constatntly defending 2K as well...im pretty confident there is very little in this world u would say isnt good, or you would put a positive spin on everything, its beyond sick! The God Damn game was cancelled & YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING IT... the true irony here is the same day this happens 2K20 is dropping free copies all over x box members..
    Despite your head in the sand attitude it seems like the sky really is finally falling... As far as im concerned im happy to this because with any luck the NHL series shuts down next & than EA shuts down... NHL was the first game i had to let go of because it is EASILY THE WORST SPORTS GAME OUT THERE. Bar none its not even close...
    Ppl r tired of this b*llSh*t & its really nice to see smart ppl wiseing up & closing there wallets... im really curious to see where your deflections & rationales go from here because at this point it looks like Take Two is in the headlights & one more mist step might kill them.. & thats not even talking about the true house of cards... if there money laundering microtransactions ways get cut off at the knees, that will be awesome...
    STOP ACCEPTING CRAP SMAK... u have been for years!!

    Good riddance clown
    JayhawkerStL
    Yet, I played the crap out of both 18 and 19. It only died this year for me.
    EA screwed up the franchise when thy tried to reboot it as Elite. At that time, 2K took off and created My Player, which has become the most played mode in sports games. Throw in the heavy, heavy anti EA bias gamers have, and it was impossible to expect EA to win mindshare. While 18 and 19 were very good games, they get trashed regularly by those that do t play it.
    2K went through the same experience with MLB2K. Like Live, it was more fun play, but a series of bug ridden releases turned it into a punching bag for Show fans. Even though by 2K12 it was a really good game, it became clear it would never win mindshare again.
    This is exactly how we get to only one game per sport. Fans of the dominant game are not content to enjoy their game, but mock anyone that plays the other game. The rise of social media probably contributed to this. Kinda hard to build up interest in the game when their is a cottage industry of executive gamers that live to **** on games.
    For a site that professes a love of sports games, the community has a long history of just crapping on games. And now we see the only games left getting just as trashed.
    Seriously, sim gamers have ruined sports gaming. They have made perfect the enemy of good. A game is either great or trash.

    The crazy thing is I loved NBA live 18 and 19 and I'm probably a bigger 2k gamer than a live gamer but the basketball community online is toxic and trash, always complaining and whining about something never satisfied and dont really no what they want.
    You got people saying live used to be great back in the day, but if you think live 19 is bad then you must have thought the other lives is super trash because
    objectively live 19 is they're best game to date.
    exposedaking
    There goes part of my childhood.
    Live has been garbage since 06 on xbox 360 with the exception of 10, 18, and 19.
    And I'm sure it will be garbage next gen.
    They should stick to what they do well, which is arcade ball, and leave the SIM ball to 2k. At this point it's embarrassing.
    R.I.P NBA LIVE
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    NBA live 09 was good too, and NBA live 18 and 19 was both sim, so they should stick with that
    The 24th Letter
    After the third cancellation in ten years...eventually you have to start looking at what the company is doing wrong and not a small section of the gaming community...

    Yet soccer is the only sport left with multiple games. Can we ding 2K for their MLB and NHL ganes? Do we blame EA or 2K when the publisher decides further installments of TGC fail to deliver?
    The issue is that the sports category has declined across the board. Live 19 was a better game than it’s sales. You don’t see Microsoft or Sony jumping in to fill gaps, because there is no way to gain mindshare in the current sports game environment.
    The problem is, as one guy pointed out, that design decision that privileges fun over realism is treated like a turd in your drink, when that used to be THE WAY developers made sports games.
    Then gamers decided realism was the end all be all, and didn’t just avoid games, but trashed the people that enjoyed them. You see it all over OS. “Little Johnny,” “kiddies,” and condescending suggestions to make the game stupid easy for “those” gamers.
    We went from sports games creating sports fans, to sports game communities running off anyone not serious enough in their eyes.
    But, sure, let’s pretend that if our community of crack investigators can expose the lazy developers or greedy suits for the damage they’ve caused that we wil see an explosion of options to play.
    The 24th Letter
    After the third cancellation in ten years...eventually you have to start looking at what the company is doing wrong and not a small section of the gaming community...
    No! EA just put out two solid NBA games back to back for the community, but they just didnt get the support they needed to come out with 20.
    Ea should hold they're heads up high and be proud of what they created, because NBA live 19 truly is special, especially the one mode.
    JayhawkerStL
    Yet soccer is the only sport left with multiple games. Can we ding 2K for their MLB and NHL ganes? Do we blame EA or 2K when the publisher decides further installments of TGC fail to deliver?
    The issue is that the sports category has declined across the board. Live 19 was a better game than it’s sales. You don’t see Microsoft or Sony jumping in to fill gaps, because there is no way to gain mindshare in the current sports game environment.
    The problem is, as one guy pointed out, that design decision that privileges fun over realism is treated like a turd in your drink, when that used to be THE WAY developers made sports games.
    Then gamers decided realism was the end all be all, and didn’t just avoid games, but trashed the people that enjoyed them. You see it all over OS. “Little Johnny,” “kiddies,” and condescending suggestions to make the game stupid easy for “those” gamers.
    We went from sports games creating sports fans, to sports game communities running off anyone not serious enough in their eyes.
    But, sure, let’s pretend that if our community of crack investigators can expose the lazy developers or greedy suits for the damage they’ve caused that we wil see an explosion of options to play.
    I didn't mention anything about the developers...Andrew Wilson, CEO at EA and his board made the final decision.
    This world where everyone is a happy-go-lucky gamer who never complains, has any feedback and just enjoys the game that was given to them just doesn't exist. It sucks that there's so much toxicity out there, but that's the current climate...These company's have to deal in reality. If they're waiting on that world, they'll never stabilize.
    I know we dont like to talk about it, but their past missteps have a lot to do with where they are now, not just mean people on the net. Their stumbles out of the gate with 14-16, lack of post release support etc. were things that broke trust with their consumers. Not everyone has that kind of loyalty to the game to ignore all that. Its something that has continued to haunt them, even as the game improved.
    We all look at things different, but again- that's the reality. I honestly hope they end up back on their feet- the lack of confidence has been earned though.
    king doe
    No! EA just put out two solid NBA games back to back for the community, but they just didnt get the support they needed to come out with 20.
    Ea should hold they're heads up high and be proud of what they created, because NBA live 19 truly is special, especially the one mode.
    Man we can say how much we enjoyed the game, or how good we think it is 100 different ways...but at the end of the day, Live 20 is cancelled.
    The developers should definitely be proud of their progress with Live 19. The game getting canceled yet again is nothing to celebrate though.
    king doe
    No! EA just put out two solid NBA games back to back for the community, but they just didnt get the support they needed to come out with 20.
    Ea should hold they're heads up high and be proud of what they created, because NBA live 19 truly is special, especially the one mode.
    Hold their heads high? For another cancelled game? Riiiiiight.
    Yes, 19 was good I'll give you that though..
    There's is absolutely nothing to hold their heads up about...poor sales and yet another cancelled product...there's no moral victories here.
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    I really wish there was a Live 20. I enjoyed 18 on my Xbox, made for a fun change of pace to 2K, didn't grab 19 (I really liked 2K19), and am currently without a basketball game this year. I skipped 2K20 -- it just looked too much the same and the bugs that it shipped with were unacceptable to me. First time I skipped a 2K since 15 (hard skip on that one).
    It's freed up a lot of time to enjoy other titles, but basketball games are my favorite. Aiming for the new next-gen consoles is a good goal, but I have little faith they'll pull it off ... I really, really hope Live ends up on PC (hell, I'll take 18 or 19 ported to PC). I think the modding community could really add to the game.
    I hope Live nails their next release but I am doubtful.
    king doe
    Get 19 its even better than 18

    I have 19, played it a lot in the spring and liked it. But then EA updated the game and destroyed the spacing or shooting jumpers in general.
    So I went back to 18 and couldn't play 19 anymore. Spacing in 18 is pure gold, and contros feel so much more responsive. And to me the game plays better and feels much better (with my edits).
    But here's what happened last night: I was edititing rosters (about 80% of the teams done), so when I edited the rockets and edited Eric Gordon, for some reason he was cloned, so I sunddenly had two Eric Gordons. I cut one and finish editing the rest of the team.
    I start a game vs the Rockets and it's stuck in the loading screen. I exit the game and deleted my settings and tried agin, didn't work. So I think it was my roster file. Almost a month work down the drain...
    So I decided to uninstall the game and delete all saves and rosters and start a fresh installation and update the game and rosters to the final update (I think it was june 7, 2018) and edit roster again.
    This time I will create a backup roster file. After editing each team, I will play a game and make sure the game loads up and test how it plays. If it's all good I will save a copy of the file over the backup file, move to the next team and so on.
    I bought both Live 18 and 19 and liked them enough to be able to get my money's worth. I still ended up playing 2k more in the long run but I didn't think the Live games were bad. I woulda bought Live 20 too had it been released.
    The 24th Letter
    Man we can say how much we enjoyed the game, or how good we think it is 100 different ways...but at the end of the day, Live 20 is cancelled.
    The developers should definitely be proud of their progress with Live 19. The game getting canceled yet again is nothing to celebrate though.

    yea, you're right about the last part, but the point I think people are trying to make is part A: good game and part B: cancelled are not related. Which is weird.
    I also dunno how I feel about the whole sim vs fun thing. Live isn't a sim? I dunno. It's a bit over the top, but if you play like it's NBA Jam you are gonna get killed by someone with bball IQ, unless you're really good. So, yea, you can break the game with skills but you can do that in any game.
    As we've said, it is lacking in depth tho, but game play wise I dunno why people would complain about Live being 'just fun' and 'not sim enough.' When you can get good games vs real people that feel like real basketball.
    But yea Live 20 is cancelled. Period. It shouldn't have come to this, but it has. I don't wish EA good luck going forward. heh. They got enough money. They needed to eat another monetary loss if they wanted to commit to the series. The fact that they didn't pretty much proves they aren't going to have something epic in the works, altho they probably will come back with a game that's better than 19 was... who knows when, tho. Still, they've shown where they stand. After we supported them they took a crap on us, and that's real talk. Maybe not enough people supported them, ok, but people who bought the game deserve better. We deserve something. A free update, some DLC... yknow? We get nothing tho just broken promises (cries.)
    -Smak
    Here is my take. The whole sim argument is exaggerated. If you ever watched an NBA game you would know that the NBA is about lots of foul calls, lots if isolations, lots of posessions with bad D, lots of points, lots of star bias...in general it is everyting that textbook basketball IS NOT.
    So I think that when people are asking for "sim", what they're thinking about is more of textbook basketball, where every player busts his as on D, ball movement never stops, no star bias, no travelling, charging calls when justified etc..
    With the rule changes in the nba the last 20+ years, it hasn't been "sim" in a long time. Maybe it was never an actual "sim" basketball.
    Played 18 again last night with my sliders and rosters edits vs the Sixers and saw nice ball movemenet and off ball movement from the cpu, low post isolations of Embid, running screens for Redick, isolating Simmons vs my smaller PGs etc. That's NBA basketball, sim or not, that's how the pro's play it on TV.
    king doe
    No! EA just put out two solid NBA games back to back for the community, but they just didnt get the support they needed to come out with 20.
    Ea should hold they're heads up high and be proud of what they created, because NBA live 19 truly is special, *especially the one mode*.

    What other mode is there? If a gamer doesn't like The One or Street. There really isn't much there.
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    sarlndr
    What other mode is there? If a gamer doesn't like The One or Street. There really isn't much there.
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    It is what it is. This whole ball is life, yknow you gotta run around the neighborhood and play frisbee golf or whatever the heck it is, have a manager sim, etc etc all in a game for it to be good is kind of overblown.
    If you wanna play competitively online, get Live. If you don't like that, then probably don't. That's the place where it shines far and away, in comparison to other games. To me, that's enough, I know I've said it, and no one is asking me, but I WILL KEEP POSTING IT. If it doesn't have the game modes you like, then obviously you won't like it.
    But, not to name drop 2k, I think that they figured out that was the key, just make more modes. I was playing 13 for fun and they have the becoming a legend mode where it's like myplayer but with any player you wanna pick in the NBA. Stuff like that is cool. 2k is cool, some issues aside.
    Again with not understanding the Live 20 is cancelled, therefore 19 was a bad game/Live is trash. It's the same thing with "Live only has certain modes that are good, and I don't like them," It's like OK fair enough. I'm definitely not trying to force anyone to play Live, but I do think if they gave themselves some time to learn to play they'd enjoy the gameplay, even with the limitations of modes and AI. But it was trying to do something specific.
    I mean 2k has my career and has been fleshing that stuff for years, that 'the one' especially online can offer a compelling alternative to it is kind of amazing. Live "Franchise" has been bare bones as far as I can remember, tho.
    -Smak
    ILLSmak
    It is what it is. This whole ball is life, yknow you gotta run around the neighborhood and play frisbee golf or whatever the heck it is, have a manager sim, etc etc all in a game for it to be good is kind of overblown.
    If you wanna play competitively online, get Live. If you don't like that, then probably don't. That's the place where it shines far and away, in comparison to other games. To me, that's enough, I know I've said it, and no one is asking me, but I WILL KEEP POSTING IT. If it doesn't have the game modes you like, then obviously you won't like it.
    But, not to name drop 2k, I think that they figured out that was the key, just make more modes. I was playing 13 for fun and they have the becoming a legend mode where it's like myplayer but with any player you wanna pick in the NBA. Stuff like that is cool. 2k is cool, some issues aside.
    Again with not understanding the Live 20 is cancelled, therefore 19 was a bad game/Live is trash. It's the same thing with "Live only has certain modes that are good, and I don't like them," It's like OK fair enough. I'm definitely not trying to force anyone to play Live, but I do think if they gave themselves some time to learn to play they'd enjoy the gameplay, even with the limitations of modes and AI. But it was trying to do something specific.
    I mean 2k has my career and has been fleshing that stuff for years, that 'the one' especially online can offer a compelling alternative to it is kind of amazing. Live "Franchise" has been bare bones as far as I can remember, tho.
    -Smak
    I dont think I've seen a single soul, not even the biggest 2K fans here say that things like dodgeball, frisbee etc. are the reason a game is good. It's ok to just prefer Live man, no exaggeration necessary, lol
    I prefer The One mode myself.
    but like the person you quoted was saying, as well as others....the NBA side is a bit lacking. While you may look at it as "it is what it is"....it's pretty reasonable to expect more on that side of the coin. Things like features/ depth are mportant to many.
    I hope they come with that mindset for the next gen. Things like roster editing cant take 4 years again.
    The 24th Letter
    Things like roster editing cant take 4 years again.

    100% agree, not to mention that we still can't edit tendencies. However, at least there are Playstyles, which, if I understand it correctly, determine attributes + tendencies. Not sure how it works if I take, for example, Westbrook and make him a Point Shooter. Will how no longer try to get to the basket like a Slasher, or will his tendencies (which we can't edit, but developers can?) be in conflict with the Playstyle? Or is each Playstyle made up of a set of refetermined tendencies, and these are all the tendencies under the hood? I wish I knew how it works...
    The point is that they need to start release a full featured product, but with a new gen coming we may be back in square one again. We'll see next year.
    youvalss
    100% agree, not to mention that we still can't edit tendencies. However, at least there are Playstyles, which, if I understand it correctly, determine attributes + tendencies. Not sure how it works if I take, for example, Westbrook and make him a Point Shooter. Will how no longer try to get to the basket like a Slasher, or will his tendencies (which we can't edit, but developers can?) be in conflict with the Playstyle? Or is each Playstyle made up of a set of refetermined tendencies, and these are all the tendencies under the hood? I wish I knew how it works...
    The point is that they need to start release a full featured product, but with a new gen coming we may be back in square one again. We'll see next year.

    sad those are now basics that EA havent implmented in live yet. 2k had these things during the Xbox360 days years ago smh
    I think that's the biggest problem with Live. There are STILL decades later, too many people who are just fans of the brand that insist on handling the series with kiddie gloves and telling EA what they want to hear just because they selfishly want to have the game in their hands as opposed to them actually getting it right.
    Live 18 and 19 were not "good games." They sure as hell weren't "good to great." But you'll get the Live fanboys that will tout exactly that because they love the series so much.
    It starts with an honest assessment of where they are. Live 18 and 19 are not good games. They aren't terrible games either. I wouldn't even call them bad games. They are playable at least and they are improvements to what the series HAD been. But you can't just give them and the game credit for being better than the trash that it was. No other games are getting that benefit of the doubt. You don't need to play an actual good game for months on end to understand it or appreciate it or any of this other mess people like to excuse this series with. You don't need time to settle into a good game. You pop it in your console, fire it up and play and you know it's good when you start. Actual good games don't look like crap or like a bad game until you've played it and studied it. I didn't have to play Grand Theft Auto 3 for 3 months before I figured out it was a good game.
    Live will never get where it needs to be as long as there is an endless well of Yes Men fans letting the EA suits know that they're ready to be taken advantage of with repeated aborted 3 year plans.
    Coming over from 2k and bought live 19,I was really confused on the model live used/uses.
    Yeah sure you can get players over from 2k by not having to buy VC or grind your way to a 90+ player.
    But what struck me is how bad the NBA experience was,and if you're in to myleague etc,not having player lock and control all teams option really killed it for me.
    As a online player (park/myteam etc) I could see their intentions being on the money,but the NBA side, horrible!
    And now EA has moved their "the one" concept over to FIFA and their street soccer mode "Volta"
    Just like the did with "The journey" (FIFA's mycareer).
    I really have a hard time figuring out what the hell EA is up to,no clear lines in their games.
    A horrible career mode in fifa ,plus a crappy gameplay.
    They really need to figure out if they are going SIM or Arcade,right now they're all over the place.
    Simcade is not a bad goal in itself. It’s what makes games like PGR,Grid, and NFS: Shift really popular. It’s why I play Forza Horizon a ton more than Forza proper.
    I think it is what EA is aiming for with sports games.
    JayhawkerStL
    Simcade is not a bad goal in itself. It’s what makes games like PGR,Grid, and NFS: Shift really popular. It’s why I play Forza Horizon a ton more than Forza proper.
    I think it is what EA is aiming for with sports games.

    Problem is that their not doing a very good job at it!
    FIFA is a mess,career mode +online (pro clubs are the same they've been for 3-4 games)
    FUT is a cash cow (how long will it be legal?)
    Same story with NHL.
    No clue on Madden,since I don't play it.
    But doesn't most people think 2k did it better?
    NBA live,well...
    Simcade/arcade/SIM doesn't matter if you're not going all in on those modes,right now it's just.... meh!
    Yet Madden and FIFA are among the best selling games each year, and NHL has done well itself.
    Live isn’t being canceled because of 18 or 19, it’s because they were not able to overcome the bad rep they earned over the several years prior.
    The problem is, most people can identify when a game was not made for them and just move on. It’s sports gamers that use their sense of entitlement to come back, year after year, to vent about a game they were never meant to like. The games were meant for other gamers.
    The 24th Letter
    I dont think I've seen a single soul, not even the biggest 2K fans here say that things like dodgeball, frisbee etc. are the reason a game is good. It's ok to just prefer Live man, no exaggeration necessary, lol
    I prefer The One mode myself.
    but like the person you quoted was saying, as well as others....the NBA side is a bit lacking. While you may look at it as "it is what it is"....it's pretty reasonable to expect more on that side of the coin. Things like features/ depth are mportant to many.
    I hope they come with that mindset for the next gen. Things like roster editing cant take 4 years again.

    It's not an exaggeration as much as it is pointing to the "life experience" part being the largest selling point of 2k's million+++ copy fanbase.
    It's definitely OK to expect more, and I wish Live was good in other ways, too, but if you look at the price of Live, especially how you could get there, like 18 for free--->18 on sale--> 19 for 40, in comparison to, I dunno what the retail of 2k is in actuality, probably 100? It makes sense.
    It's sad people throw around terms like fanboy, though. I am convinced people read posts and don't actually read the sentences, but they just have certain words pop out at them. As someone who has played and enjoyed a lot of Indie games, I'd say Live (whether you think that's pathetic or not haha) is like an indie game focused on online competitive play. It's absolutely worth a full price game and especially worth 40. I paid 60 for 18 and 40 for 19, so I got two games for 50 each.
    Basketball and sports in general are so hard to balance online, as someone who has played for years and years. If people are gonna say 06 was a good game or 10 was a good game, I dunno how they can say 18-19 aren't good games. The game play is so much further ahead. Sure, now people expect more, they want to play "NBA" which is like... yea smart thinking "NBA Live", but as a game, as something to scratch your itch for bball competition online, hell yeah it's good.
    Pretty much everyone on this forum (OS) prefers 2k. A lot of the people who prefer Live are mostly offline players. As far as I've seen, there are only a few people who stuck with Live competitively online (I don't know anyone who has played more than 50 5 on 5 games on this site, cept maybe you, if you play on 360 or play private games), so we can't really discuss, you know, balance... what's OP, what's not, share videos and have people critique them... like it would be on the 'other side.'
    Everyone is coming from that Live is a decade behind bare bones game angle, and it's not really WRONG per se, because at a glance it is, but some things set such a high bar, like balancing online play, and Live is (I feel like I should say was, cuz yknow...) way closer than any other game I've played, and that's huge, to me.
    It's just the whole "You're grasping at straws, accepting a bad game", etc, that gets me. Live is like a fighting game. Maybe their story mode and all the other things are lacking, but when it comes to actually playing the game, it IS a good game. I put that on anything. I put that on that anyone who says Live is trash that I would absolutely dominate them in a 5 on 5 game, over and over. That might not prove that it's a good game, but it proves that there are things people aren't seeing or haven't learned.
    Again: of OS, very few are competitive online players primarily. Of them, almost all are playing the other game. As far as I know, I've never played with anyone from OS in Live except for early on in 18 when we got a little squad. FunkDock and I have run like 5-10 games together in 19.
    If you took the people who are actually still playing the game, assuming they wanted to talk about it, and put them on this forum and got some discussion going, I feel like people would have a more positive view of Live because here it's all text and when people think of Live, I dunno what they are viewing. Or they just did like "play now" vs cpu and were like HUH this is TRASH.
    I prefer Live because it offers what I want. Maybe 2k does most things better, but it doesn't do everything better. I'm not preferring Live because of some inherent bias. I played it, and it was good. Got tired of most other modes, but online is still amazing, and most of the people now who still play are actually decent.
    -Smak
    I play primarily two modes on on Live, and both are part of The One. I think Live run is a blast to play. Even though I'm not great, being able to find a role and do that something I can do.
    I do with I had not made my PG 5'11", but by using progressing through the Floor General upgrades, I can dish, steal, and sneak in the occasional layup when the other team starts ignoring me because I never look for shots. I probably play more 3v3, as it is easier to find full games than 5v5. They really needed to make the game crossplay.
    But i think Court Battles is actually my favorite sports game mode I've ever played. I love that that there is so much strategy to building a team to defend your home court, as well as using earned rules, handicaps and playbooks. And I like that each game has new rules and challenges, forcing me to tweak my lineup and look for an edge. The game is played like solo mode in Play Now. While you have to include your The One player on your team, you control all five players like classic console basketball games, making it a great solo mode.
    The Court Battle games might be half court or full court, play to a certain point or set minute halves, and the range of rule sets is fantastic. Some games, dunks are worth 4, layups 3, jumpers 2,and 3 points hots only one. some games flip that the other way. Some are just two points from beyond the arc, and one for everything else. Some games give you points for rebounds, assists, and blocks. some games put the points missed from a missed shot into a bank, so that the next made shot gets the points and the bank. Every rule set means you have to find different ways to play and different players to execute you plan.
    The goal is to own your court, which means the team you built to defend your court, which is run by the AI, can't lose. If they do, you need to beat the team that beat you to win your court back. In the mean time, you are playing others' team, which are run by the AI. The more courts you own, the more points each game is worth. You are given a slate of players to choose from, including any of your friends that have set courts up.
    And yes, you have to consider what AI is capable of when choosing a rule set, or choosing how to defeat another rule set. The AI definitely plays the game straight, so some rule sets hurt it. Of course, earning new strategies can help. choose to ply an inside game if you are playing with dunks and blocks worth more. Play an outside game if three pointers are worth more. And because the AI can't adjust as well, you are given the opportunity to earn and use handicaps. I played one whereI had to use two sub 84 OVR players. Mine is set to force teams to use two small forwards. There are a variety of those, where you can force the other team to build around the handicap.
    Not even close to sim, but, in many ways, makes you think and learn more about how different positions are used, and playing so many different rule sets forces you to find other ways to play.
    I liked court battles until I realized I could cheese the cpu. It's sad that there aren't fouls and you can just steal so much, or you used to be able to. There are a couple high tier rule sets that are kind of tough. Big men aren't really necessary, imo, so people who ran teams with huge size were not smart.
    The interesting part to me was building a computer team. Cuz like I said I could pretty much cheese any rule set (but if you put the difficulty up, maybe not. haha, stuff can get a little tough, but I wanted hype so I didn't do that.) Still, making a rule set and making a team was fun. I basically assumed people would beat my team and I wanted to make it as tedious for them as possible, but for the most part people didn't beat my team much. One time I switched my team to all wnba players as a joke and lost in like 5 minutes haha.
    But basically... I dunno it's just Live. Like I was watching this Agent 00 video (why I dunno) critiquing Live. I think most of his ideas were not good, but he was right about one thing, there is a huge negative association with the name Live. I wish Live wasn't Live, if a game came out from a 3rd party company that was just like Live, it would make me happier because then I wouldn't have people calling me a fanboy or a *****. haha.
    I love bball, man, and I just wanna play. I don't want extra stress or load times, I wanna get in the game and ball out. Sometimes simple things are good.
    -Smak
    ILLSmak
    It's not an exaggeration as much as it is pointing to the "life experience" part being the largest selling point of 2k's million+++ copy fanbase.
    It's definitely OK to expect more, and I wish Live was good in other ways, too, but if you look at the price of Live, especially how you could get there, like 18 for free--->18 on sale--> 19 for 40, in comparison to, I dunno what the retail of 2k is in actuality, probably 100? It makes sense.
    It's sad people throw around terms like fanboy, though. I am convinced people read posts and don't actually read the sentences, but they just have certain words pop out at them. As someone who has played and enjoyed a lot of Indie games, I'd say Live (whether you think that's pathetic or not haha) is like an indie game focused on online competitive play. It's absolutely worth a full price game and especially worth 40. I paid 60 for 18 and 40 for 19, so I got two games for 50 each.
    Basketball and sports in general are so hard to balance online, as someone who has played for years and years. If people are gonna say 06 was a good game or 10 was a good game, I dunno how they can say 18-19 aren't good games. The game play is so much further ahead. Sure, now people expect more, they want to play "NBA" which is like... yea smart thinking "NBA Live", but as a game, as something to scratch your itch for bball competition online, hell yeah it's good.
    Pretty much everyone on this forum (OS) prefers 2k. A lot of the people who prefer Live are mostly offline players. As far as I've seen, there are only a few people who stuck with Live competitively online (I don't know anyone who has played more than 50 5 on 5 games on this site, cept maybe you, if you play on 360 or play private games), so we can't really discuss, you know, balance... what's OP, what's not, share videos and have people critique them... like it would be on the 'other side.'
    Everyone is coming from that Live is a decade behind bare bones game angle, and it's not really WRONG per se, because at a glance it is, but some things set such a high bar, like balancing online play, and Live is (I feel like I should say was, cuz yknow...) way closer than any other game I've played, and that's huge, to me.
    It's just the whole "You're grasping at straws, accepting a bad game", etc, that gets me. Live is like a fighting game. Maybe their story mode and all the other things are lacking, but when it comes to actually playing the game, it IS a good game. I put that on anything. I put that on that anyone who says Live is trash that I would absolutely dominate them in a 5 on 5 game, over and over. That might not prove that it's a good game, but it proves that there are things people aren't seeing or haven't learned.
    Again: of OS, very few are competitive online players primarily. Of them, almost all are playing the other game. As far as I know, I've never played with anyone from OS in Live except for early on in 18 when we got a little squad. FunkDock and I have run like 5-10 games together in 19.
    If you took the people who are actually still playing the game, assuming they wanted to talk about it, and put them on this forum and got some discussion going, I feel like people would have a more positive view of Live because here it's all text and when people think of Live, I dunno what they are viewing. Or they just did like "play now" vs cpu and were like HUH this is TRASH.
    I prefer Live because it offers what I want. Maybe 2k does most things better, but it doesn't do everything better. I'm not preferring Live because of some inherent bias. I played it, and it was good. Got tired of most other modes, but online is still amazing, and most of the people now who still play are actually decent.
    -Smak

    You mentioned that everyone in this forum chooses 2K. I believe you are missing the point. 99% of consumers choose 2K. Literally. Live has serious issues despite if you enjoy it or not. This is just a fact. That's why it struggles to gain momentum or has numerous cancellations. At some point one has to look at the organization and stop these paragraphs about the differences of the games. The consumers already spoke years ago.
    jadert
    You mentioned that everyone in this forum chooses 2K. I believe you are missing the point. 99% of consumers choose 2K. Literally. Live has serious issues despite if you enjoy it or not. This is just a fact. That's why it struggles to gain momentum or has numerous cancellations. At some point one has to look at the organization and stop these paragraphs about the differences of the games. The consumers already spoke years ago.

    2K's handling of MLB 2K and NHL 2K were just as poor as people think EA's handling of Live is.
    The issue is the inability of the sports gaming community to support more than one game. We already know what Lives issues were, and that was an inability to change the narrative after several bad launches. Both 18 and 19 were good games, but the mindshare is set, and sports gamers think that trashing the 2nd place game is their job, as though that will make the game better.
    The reality is, sports gamers have reduced Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, and golf to single games. Football was going that way, so EA decided to step in first and secure their rights to the NFL.
    So if your goal is to decrease your choices, well done.
    JayhawkerStL
    2K's handling of MLB 2K and NHL 2K were just as poor as people think EA's handling of Live is.
    The issue is the inability of the sports gaming community to support more than one game. We already know what Lives issues were, and that was an inability to change the narrative after several bad launches. Both 18 and 19 were good games, but the mindshare is set, and sports gamers think that trashing the 2nd place game is their job, as though that will make the game better.
    The reality is, sports gamers have reduced Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, and golf to single games. Football was going that way, so EA decided to step in first and secure their rights to the NFL.
    So if your goal is to decrease your choices, well done.

    I agree that a lot of people put 2k on a pedestal. You always hear "2k should make a ____ game." Fans get caught up in the depth of their Association. While it is one of the deeper modes in sports, 2k has barely touched the mode since 2k16-17. Fans got lucky before the whole E-Sports wave took off.
    They always they want to 2k to make every sports game like 2k has an amazing track record. 2k gave up on most sports titles. After EA got the exclusive NFL license, 2k got a 3rd party exclusive deal with MLB. But gave it up before current consoles started. They gave up on NHL and Top Spin. 2k Sports is basically just NBA(Playgrounds) and WWE. 2k sports has full control on WWE now because Yukes didn't like the direction and the game hasn't been a success. I wouldn't be suprised if that game doesn't continue on.
    You do got to say that EA does support the sports titles. 2k is all in on NBA.
    jerwoods
    what killed live was when the nba went all in with 2k and e-sports and i think the nba give 2k a 7Billion dollar deal

    When 2k signed that 7 year 1.1 billion dollar deal, i felt Lives future was murky at best. While EA has the money, I don't see companies supporting some thing that might not break even. 2k can basically pay that with the revenue from microtransactions. You don't see companies getting discounts for licensing deals. EA has shown strong support for Live, but that would be a to of 'support' for a game that doesn't sell commercially well.
    I would be down for a Free To Play NBA Street game. That would dope
    2K's past failures with their sports titles isnt going to get Live 20 released. Whatever the theory for 2k's success, they are successful, and are on year what? 3 or 4 of breaking their own sales record? We know a 2K21, through at the very least 2K26 are coming out with certainty.
    Yes, It's up to EA to put a game together that resonates with consumers. Waiting for gaming culture to evolve into some all positive sharing space just isn't going to cut it.
    jadert
    You mentioned that everyone in this forum chooses 2K. I believe you are missing the point. 99% of consumers choose 2K. Literally. Live has serious issues despite if you enjoy it or not. This is just a fact. That's why it struggles to gain momentum or has numerous cancellations. At some point one has to look at the organization and stop these paragraphs about the differences of the games. The consumers already spoke years ago.

    I'm not missing the point. I agree with everything except "Live has serious issues", unless you mean as a franchise. If you mean as a game, no not really... not any more than any other game.
    You're also right that the consumers spoke years ago, unfortunately they are still speaking in the same way, to continue the metaphor. Meaning, they are on a path that they are not deviating from. Which is cool. I mean, Apple sells stuff on name, too.
    Nobody is disputing that 2k controls the market. But I do think there are enough people on Live to make an online forum community that is larger than OS + Reddit combined. And that actually helps grow your game. The thing is the implication that continues to be made is that 2k controls the market because Live is an awful, flawed game. What are the flaws? Lack of depth in franchise mode is not a serious flaw haha. It's a missing feature.
    I do agree that my feeling that if I can eventually make the point I'm trying to make is wrong. It always comes back to the same thing. The 'irrefutable logic' is 2k has market control therefore Live is trash. 2k has such market control they could probably pay Live to make bad games/cancel them. haha. That's just the way our world works, capitalism aiye.
    I'm not gonna make any more posts about Live because if I said anything that resonated it was: it is what it is. However, as an exercise, I'd like to see someone name some of these serious flaws that Live has. Weird animations/outcomes? Ok. That's one, but the 'math' that is determining the outcomes isn't bad and can easily be tweaked slightly.
    I mean there are games out there w/ game breaking bugs, games that crash, games that you can cheese too easily, many of them. Those are games with serious flaws/issues. I could put it back to you, "Just because you don't enjoy Live doesn't mean it's got serious flaws/issues."
    -Smak
    JayhawkerStL
    2K's handling of MLB 2K and NHL 2K were just as poor as people think EA's handling of Live is.
    The issue is the inability of the sports gaming community to support more than one game. We already know what Lives issues were, and that was an inability to change the narrative after several bad launches. Both 18 and 19 were good games, but the mindshare is set, and sports gamers think that trashing the 2nd place game is their job, as though that will make the game better.
    The reality is, sports gamers have reduced Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, and golf to single games. Football was going that way, so EA decided to step in first and secure their rights to the NFL.
    So if your goal is to decrease your choices, well done.

    Again, the entire point missed. EA decided not to put the game out. Why would my goal to decrease choices? I could care less. I just want to play a good game. So well done on EA's job of decreasing choices. 2k has nothing to do with that decision. All I said was that the consumers spoke.
    I'm old enough to remember when Live was at the top of the mountain. 2K has nothing to do with their failures as a game and company. But they better fix something before EA axes the entire series. And lets stop blaming consumers. You can't fault someone for purchasing what they want! Live was sold for pennies on the dollar at times and people still didn't purchase. That means theres a few underlying problems that need to be addressed. If not, it will be axed. That's the reality
    When communities like this treat fans of the 2nd place games as kids, cheesers, and fake fans, it hurts the sales of those games. It's not just OS, but it would be nice if OS took some ownership of how their members treat the fans of struggling games.
    Folks act like their ability to "hold game companies accountable" is some sort of noble act. all it has done is ad to the toxicity of gaming forums, and the result has been sports reduced to single games per sport.
    There was not a single reason for fans of 2K to come to this forum to bash the game and the gamers that like it. but they act like they are "helping."
    We've seen this play out over and over. The issue is, Live 18 and 19 were solid games, but this community treated them as trash. MLB 2K12 was a solid game, but this community treated it as trash. Even RMPGAT was a solid game that lack features. Ea was on board to making continual improvements, and released several free courses, yet, this community treated the game as trash.
    Over and over this plays out. And then you guys act like running these games out of business has done us a favor. And then, without competition, you see the forums for The Show, NBA 2K, TGC, and NHL get worse and worse.
    OS is not the only place this happens, but it would be nice if the mods wanted this place to be different. Where second tier games could get some support without the content trolling of fans from the other games, as an example of how a community could be.
    It is OS members that are bummed as games they were enjoying get canceled, and to have the folks that don't even play those games act like they did us a favor, holding those devs and publishers accountable.
    People say they want completion. But what the want is a game to to trash so that they can feel better about their choice. Once choice is removed, they trash the only game left. It's not like 2K, TGC, NHL, and The Show are as positive communities as when they had a competing game.
    Gamers should have to defend the game they like. If I like Live, I ought to be able to come the Live forum and talk about game, including its problems, within having defend the devs, the publisher, or myself.
    For some reason, being able to call a game trash makes some gamers feel pretty damn superior, especially if they can do it in a forum where fans of the game are posting. This isn't about not pointing flaws and problems, it's about going that next step, making the release of a game the act they protest. Then, because they are that dumb, they bash EA for not releasing a game.
    You act like if the game is good, then it will just do well. But that's not how marketing works. Marketing can help propel a bad product over good product. And you guys carry the water for the PR guys, and OS allows it to happen, over and over again.
    JayhawkerStL
    When communities like this treat fans of the 2nd place games as kids, cheesers, and fake fans, it hurts the sales of those games. It's not just OS, but it would be nice if OS took some ownership of how their members treat the fans of struggling games.
    Folks act like their ability to "hold game companies accountable" is some sort of noble act. all it has done is ad to the toxicity of gaming forums, and the result has been sports reduced to single games per sport.
    There was not a single reason for fans of 2K to come to this forum to bash the game and the gamers that like it. but they act like they are "helping."
    We've seen this play out over and over. The issue is, Live 18 and 19 were solid games, but this community treated them as trash. MLB 2K12 was a solid game, but this community treated it as trash. Even RMPGAT was a solid game that lack features. Ea was on board to making continual improvements, and released several free courses, yet, this community treated the game as trash.
    Over and over this plays out. And then you guys act like running these games out of business has done us a favor. And then, without competition, you see the forums for The Show, NBA 2K, TGC, and NHL get worse and worse.
    OS is not the only place this happens, but it would be nice if the mods wanted this place to be different. Where second tier games could get some support without the content trolling of fans from the other games, as an example of how a community could be.
    It is OS members that are bummed as games they were enjoying get canceled, and to have the folks that don't even play those games act like they did us a favor, holding those devs and publishers accountable.
    People say they want completion. But what the want is a game to to trash so that they can feel better about their choice. Once choice is removed, they trash the only game left. It's not like 2K, TGC, NHL, and The Show are as positive communities as when they had a competing game.
    Gamers should have to defend the game they like. If I like Live, I ought to be able to come the Live forum and talk about game, including its problems, within having defend the devs, the publisher, or myself.
    For some reason, being able to call a game trash makes some gamers feel pretty damn superior, especially if they can do it in a forum where fans of the game are posting. This isn't about not pointing flaws and problems, it's about going that next step, making the release of a game the act they protest. Then, because they are that dumb, they bash EA for not releasing a game.
    You act like if the game is good, then it will just do well. But that's not how marketing works. Marketing can help propel a bad product over good product. And you guys carry the water for the PR guys, and OS allows it to happen, over and over again.

    Again, people need to enjoy and PURCHASE Live for it to be successful. How do you rectify that issue? They are not coming out with NBA Live 20 after 2 years of solid games. Why is that? Because the OS (and any other) community bashes it? Or because they have low sales and history of cancellations and broken promises? Do you agree with their decision to cancel?
    jadert
    Again, people need to enjoy and PURCHASE Live for it to be successful. How do you rectify that issue? They are not coming out with NBA Live 20 after 2 years of solid games. Why is that? Because the OS (and any other) community bashes it? Or because they have low sales and history of cancellations and broken promises? Do you agree with their decision to cancel?

    Sorry, man. You are going to have to read my posts if you want me to take questions like this serious. I addressed this exact concern.
    And this sums it up. It has nothing to do with 2K. If 2K didn't exist, and Live released the quality of games it has this gen, it would be in the exact same spot. Sure, it's better than it was, but is it really a game people will spend 60$ on? It isnt, and sales have proven it. Its disingenuous to try to put the blame on OS or the community.
    Oddly, if you happen to not enjoy Live or think the game isnt good, someone will tell you that it is and that you're missing something. Like you cant discern what you like in a game. Thats cool, though.
    This is a tread about the cancellation (once again) of Live and peoples thoughts. This isn't people bashing the game on the general Live board. Hell, the people who supposedly enjoy the game dont even discuss it. Not just here, but anywhere. Facebook, Twitter, anywhere. That says a lot. It's not OS. It's not Twitter. It isnt a toxic gaming community. It's the game itself. All that other stuff is hurt feelings and Live bias.
    jadert
    Again, people need to enjoy and PURCHASE Live for it to be successful. How do you rectify that issue? They are not coming out with NBA Live 20 after 2 years of solid games. Why is that? Because the OS (and any other) community bashes it? Or because they have low sales and history of cancellations and broken promises? Do you agree with their decision to cancel?

    Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app
    Its kind of sad how many people equate sales numbers with quality. Of course, they only do that when it is convenient.
    When you see people like me talk about why I like a game, I’m not telling you that you missed anything. I’ve made the case over and over that games aren’t for everyone. The issue is the people who are not the target of the game complaining that the game is not for them. What I'm doing is explain what I like about a game and if that meshes with what someone likes, it might be worth checking out.
    I’ve said that Live is a shallower game, with a focus on The One, and that it is not something that will attract most 2K players, over and over. But who the hell shows up? Guys that think Live needs to be 2K. And, yes, the constant trolling and condescension towards guys that like Live hurts sales. It’s not just here, it’s everywhere.
    I hate the way 2K handles. I hate their version of MyPlayer and MyPark. The servers are crap. And now it’s as microtransaction heavy as an EA game, which is funny, since there iare zero ways to spend money on any of the modes within The One.
    I could post everyday about that crap in the 2K forums, but I don’t play the game. I’ll let folks that do discuss what they like or don’t like. Why should I try to get folks to stop playing a game they enjoy? Besides, if I did, folks like you would claim I’m just a fanboy trying to drag 2K.
    OS used to be better than places like Twitter and Reddit. It still is, to a degree. But they allow stupid fanboy wars all the time now. If someone doesn’t play Live, why come to this forum? We all know it is schadenfreude.
    You know what would happen if we all stopped crapping on games we don’t like? The forums would feel more welcoming, more games would sell more, and sports gaming would be healthier. Instead, we wonder why we are down to one sport per game, while we watch the remaining communities eat themselves up, because the same people that used to troll the competitors, now troll the only games left in each sport.
    LOL so you blame live issues on OS, Reddit, all forums, 2k gamers not buying live and every other struggle live apologists claims, except for the very fact that Live 06, 07, 08, 14,15,16,18,19 were all BAREBONES games through 2 console generations with little depth and the last 2 games released focused heavily on THE ONE mode, and less on the WNBA & NBA side of the game.
    Riiiiiiiiggggggghhhht...
    LIves situation is Live's fansbase fault. Ill go into it more, but blame yourselves Live fans, you did this.
    noshun
    LOL so you blame live issues on OS, Reddit, all forums, 2k gamers not buying live and every other struggle live apologists claims, except for the very fact that Live 06, 07, 08, 14,15,16,18,19 were all BAREBONES games through 2 console generations with little depth and the last 2 games released focused heavily on THE ONE mode, and less on the WNBA & NBA side of the game.
    Riiiiiiiiggggggghhhht...
    LIves situation is Live's fansbase fault. Ill go into it more, but blame yourselves Live fans, you did this.

    You picked up on that too?! Lol. Every post it’s about people bashing Live, the community, and 2K players. But EA cancelled the game!! No one is here is bashing. I pointed out a few facts, but I’ve never said it was “trash” etc. They have made progress, but unfortunately sales matter when your selling a game. Sorry to make it about sales, but it plays a major role in business. Live seems to be more niche at this point
    And this is exactly my point. THIS is why this series has sunk to where it's at. Dudes can't accept the fact that Live is just not a good game. As I said before, it's not trash anymore, it's not garbage, it's not even bad, but it's not good. It's a playable game that you can pick up and play here and there to kill some time or if you want to do something different. But it's not a good and certainly not a great game that should be flying off the shelves if not for those mean old message board fans talking bad about it.
    That's the garbage that's coming out of this thread right now. That Live 18 and 19 are good games that didn't sell because people are bias against EA. That's such a load of crap. Mindshare? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard here in a while. You know what game didn't have mindshare? ESPN NFL 2K5. Madden at the time was the IT game. When celebrities talked about playing football games at the time and NFL players packed their consoles with them on the road and played each other and had tournaments and all of that stuff they spoke of Madden and nothing else. Live was in the same boat as well. EA Sports, it's in the game. That was on everybody's minds at the time. Those same people and kids at school and on message boards laughed at Sega Sports/Visual Concepts and laughed at people who didn't play Madden or Live but instead played 2K or Gameday or Shootout or Faceoff or Inside Drive. But when NFL 2K5 and NBA 2K5 released at $20 price points why didn't "Mindshare" keep those two games -NFL 2K in particular - from severely cutting into Madden and NBA Live's marketshare? Oh what's that? Is it because they were actual good games? Is it because they were both fully featured, highly customizable games that featured awesome gameplay on the field/court? So why is "Mindshare" suddenly holding back NBA Live from selling more than sub 200,000 copies a year for their game? Don't worry I already have the answer for you. It's because they haven't been good games and unlike the rest of their sports games, there's an option available that makes it where people don't have to buy it to get their NBA fix.
    Someone asked in this thread if you thought Live 05 or 06 was a good game, why do you think Live 18 and 19 is bad since it's more of the same? The answer is simply because it's 2019 and it's more of the same. It's no mystery that Live's struggles and ultimate downfall came once technology finally caught up to reality. Live thrived at a time where video games couldn't properly replicate the sport of basketball and all the nuances of the game and they could just put out basic games that looked like basketball on the surface but didn't truly capture the game because the tech wasn't there at the time. The second more powerful consoles dropped that could allow all the ins and outs. The movements, the players, the strategy, the physics, the coaching, the tendencies. Once all that could finally be translated to video games Live fell off a cliff. Madden has been pretty much the exact same they just have the luxury of not having a 2K to beat their brains in for that mistake.
    And just to be clear this is a picture of my installed games right now on my XBox. So I play this game and I don’t have a bias against EA. I spend my hard earned money on their games when I feel like I want to play them. But facts are fact. Truth is truth and the truth is Live right now is STILL not a good game. Even if they’re moving in the right direction when they’re not cancelling games.
    King_B_Mack
    And this is exactly my point. THIS is why this series has sunk to where it's at. Dudes can't accept the fact that Live is just not a good game. As I said before, it's not trash anymore, it's not garbage, it's not even bad, but it's not good. It's a playable game that you can pick up and play here and there to kill some time or if you want to do something different. But it's not a good and certainly not a great game that should be flying off the shelves if not for those mean old message board fans talking bad about it.
    That's the garbage that's coming out of this thread right now. That Live 18 and 19 are good games that didn't sell because people are bias against EA. That's such a load of crap. Mindshare? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard here in a while. You know what game didn't have mindshare? ESPN NFL 2K5. Madden at the time was the IT game. When celebrities talked about playing football games at the time and NFL players packed their consoles with them on the road and played each other and had tournaments and all of that stuff they spoke of Madden and nothing else. Live was in the same boat as well. EA Sports, it's in the game. That was on everybody's minds at the time. Those same people and kids at school and on message boards laughed at Sega Sports/Visual Concepts and laughed at people who didn't play Madden or Live but instead played 2K or Gameday or Shootout or Faceoff or Inside Drive. But when NFL 2K5 and NBA 2K5 released at $20 price points why didn't "Mindshare" keep those two games -NFL 2K in particular - from severely cutting into Madden and NBA Live's marketshare? Oh what's that? Is it because they were actual good games? Is it because they were both fully featured, highly customizable games that featured awesome gameplay on the field/court? So why is "Mindshare" suddenly holding back NBA Live from selling more than sub 200,000 copies a year for their game? Don't worry I already have the answer for you. It's because they haven't been good games and unlike the rest of their sports games, there's an option available that makes it where people don't have to buy it to get their NBA fix.
    Someone asked in this thread if you thought Live 05 or 06 was a good game, why do you think Live 18 and 19 is bad since it's more of the same? The answer is simply because it's 2019 and it's more of the same. It's no mystery that Live's struggles and ultimate downfall came once technology finally caught up to reality. Live thrived at a time where video games couldn't properly replicate the sport of basketball and all the nuances of the game and they could just put out basic games that looked like basketball on the surface but didn't truly capture the game because the tech wasn't there at the time. The second more powerful consoles dropped that could allow all the ins and outs. The movements, the players, the strategy, the physics, the coaching, the tendencies. Once all that could finally be translated to video games Live fell off a cliff. Madden has been pretty much the exact same they just have the luxury of not having a 2K to beat their brains in for that mistake.
    And just to be clear this is a picture of my installed games right now on my XBox. So I play this game and I don’t have a bias against EA. I spend my hard earned money on their games when I feel like I want to play them. But facts are fact. Truth is truth and the truth is Live right now is STILL not a good game. Even if they’re moving in the right direction when they’re not cancelling games.
    You cannot CUT it NO better than this. . . this has been my EXACT same sentiment for years regarding Live and Madden no matter how much I've tried getting into these series. . . I stopped buying because it wasn't "In the Game" and still to this day it's not "In the Game", ALL the 3 or 4 year cycle BS got old REAL quick.
    My sons who played Live faithfully for years feel the same way. . . you DON'T have to sit on Live for months before you finally realize there's nothing in it. . . if it offered anything remotely on the same level(s) as 2K gamers would play but it DON'T it's that simple. . . Madden would face the same faith if 2K were to drop an NFL or NCAA series so for now EA is safe. . .
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    RedmanR
    You cannot CUT it NO better than this. . .

    Wait until you see my next post.. im getting it ready, this will silence all. King its coming brother..
    Justonepost
    Not a good sign for fans.
    Not a good sign for 2K fans either, since you want competition to push you creatively.
    Hopefully EA can move the game to Frostbite and be ready for next gen launch.

    That is, literally, what everyone said when LIVE died at the end of the PREVIOUS generation.
    Re competition, there has been none for a decade. Live's sales figures have been so bad that no one can honestly say there is competition.
    For whatever reason, multiple teams...multiple developers...for well over a decade, have failed massively to make anything remotely close to a professional level NBA game. Which is strange as Madden, Fifa, NHL are all at least properly produced games.
    Either they simply can't work out how to make a basketball game, or they are not putting the necessary resources into it.
    This was the first year I, literally, forgot the game even exists. Seeing this thread just reminded me that they failed again.
    The only thing I would say is that EA should either:
    A: Put the same resources into it they do Madden and FIFA.
    OR
    B: Just walk away for good and stop entirely this ridiculous cycle of poor releases, cancellations, halfhearted releases (with things like franchise mode not changed for a decade), cancellations...over and over.
    Lol clowns that ain't never been happy about nothing in here patting each other on the *** circle jerking about a series that they dont even like, I'm not even the biggest live fan but really liked live 18 and 19, and those games definitely deserved more support than what it got, but carry on haters rejoice in the fact that live 20 has canceled, I hope you know yall bring absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to basketball video game discussion, because none of you know what a good basketball games is.
    king doe
    Lol clowns that ain't never been happy about nothing in here patting each other on the *** circle jerking about a series that they dont even like, I'm not even the biggest live fan but really liked live 18 and 19, and those games definitely deserved more support than what it got, but carry on haters rejoice in the fact that live 20 has canceled, I hope you know yall bring absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to basketball video game discussion, because none of you know what a good basketball games is.



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    king doe
    Lol clowns that ain't never been happy about nothing in here patting each other on the *** circle jerking about a series that they dont even like, I'm not even the biggest live fan but really liked live 18 and 19, and those games definitely deserved more support than what it got, but carry on haters rejoice in the fact that live 20 has canceled, I hope you know yall bring absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to basketball video game discussion, because none of you know what a good basketball games is.
    This is definitely a CLOWN comment, did you post this ALL by yourself. . .
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    RedmanR
    This is definitely a CLOWN comment, did you post this ALL by yourself. . .
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    naw you're the one that's mad typing up mad paragraphs giving fake constructive criticism about a game you dont give a damn about, and probably happy that it may no longer exist.
    The way I see it I'f you played NBA live 19 extensively, and came out thinking the game is not even good... then you dont know the concept of what a good basketball game is and you're opinion on the subject means absolutely nothing.
    Are we still allowed to post here or is it considered a crime scene now?
    Anyway, it's possible that the Live team did not make a lot of progerss with 20 and figured out it's not enough to sell the game.
    On next gen they can tweak gameplay but with the new hardware they can give it a fresh look and attract people just by showing the new visuals.
    JayhawkerStL
    I guess we know which trolls are preferred by the mods at OS. **** this time place.

    This is complete and utter bull**** and you know it.
    That poster started the trolling. The post you reported was in response to it.
    You of all people have no place to complain. You have more of your posts reported to us than pretty much anyone because you are constantly trolling and you absolutely know it. You're still here.
    You try and act righteous and while doing so come off as being a dick and then you're going to call us out??? Get over yourself.
    JayhawkerStL
    I guess we know which trolls are preferred by the mods at OS. **** this time place.

    I’m legit curious. Who’s the trolls here? I’m sure I know your answer, but I’d love to hear the logic behind it.
    youvalss
    Are we still allowed to post here or is it considered a crime scene now?
    Anyway, it's possible that the Live team did not make a lot of progerss with 20 and figured out it's not enough to sell the game.
    On next gen they can tweak gameplay but with the new hardware they can give it a fresh look and attract people just by showing the new visuals.

    Anyway back on topic...
    That sounds like more of the same. Punt on keeping their noses to the ground and grinding away at gameplay and getting the car back on the road so they can focus on pretty graphics to sucker people into buying the game based on looks even tho they still haven’t solved gameplay.
    What more could they do graphically anyway? The game looks awesome with photo realistic graphics. If people aren’t buying the game off looks now, why are they gonna do it a year from now?
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    King_B_Mack
    They can focus on pretty graphics to sucker people into buying the game based on looks even tho they still haven’t solved gameplay.
    What more could they do graphically anyway? The game looks awesome with photo realistic graphics. If people aren’t buying the game off looks now, why are they gonna do it a year from now?
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    FACTS bro!
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    King_B_Mack
    I’m legit curious. Who’s the trolls here? I’m sure I know your answer, but I’d love to hear the logic behind it.

    List of known live Vet trolls that OS caters to.
    King B
    23
    Boilerbuzz
    Noshun
    24 is more of a you can’t say too much nice things about live rebuttal guy :)
    24 atleast plays/played the game and offers insight in other posts here. I doubt we’ll find anything constructive from the others but straight up trolling live fans here.
    Nemesis Enforcer
    I’m legit curious. Who’s the trolls here? I’m sure I know your answer, but I’d love to hear the logic behind it.

    List of known live Vet trolls that OS caters to.
    King B
    23
    Boilerbuzz
    Noshun
    24 is more of a you can’t say too much nice things about live rebuttal guy :)
    24 atleast plays/played the game and offers insight in other posts here. I doubt we’ll find anything constructive from the others but straight up trolling live fans here.

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    King_B_Mack
    That sounds like more of the same. Punt on keeping their noses to the ground and grinding away at gameplay and getting the car back on the road so they can focus on pretty graphics to sucker people into buying the game based on looks even tho they still haven’t solved gameplay.
    What more could they do graphically anyway? The game looks awesome with photo realistic graphics. If people aren’t buying the game off looks now, why are they gonna do it a year from now?

    You are right, the game does looks great. To me, Live 18 is the 2K14 (if I am allowed to say it here) of the Live franchise. It's a masterpiece graphically (aside from some of the player models).
    But with a new gen comes a graphical upgrade.
    youvalss
    You are right, the game does looks great. To me, Live 18 is the 2K14 (if I am allowed to say it here) of the Live franchise. It's a masterpiece graphically (aside from some of the player models).
    But with a new gen comes a graphical upgrade.

    Yeah but it's the same issue. The graphical jump from Live 14 to Live 15 was like the jump of a new console generation and we've already got 2 cancelled games since then. So why exactly is the series going to get back on track cancelling progress on Live 20, to focus on better graphics for Next Gen going to bring any sort of success. Good graphics or not cancelling games does damage to the brand name and at this point they've pretty much irreparably stained the NBA Live brand with 4 cancelled games in 9 years.
    Don't know if it will be back on track in the long run, but we already know that a new gen and amazing graphics create hype, and, I would assume, sell.
    I don't know if Live 20 could create a hype more than 18/19. But I think that 21, if looks amazing and moves well enough, will surely create some hype.
    jerwoods
    what killed live was when the nba went all in with 2k and e-sports and i think the nba give 2k a 7Billion dollar deal
    NBA Live 06 and 07 killed NBA Live. They never caught their footing going into the ps3 and 360's life cycle causing them to cancel in 2010. Unfortunately they cancelled the year 2K11 released. Every since then they've been fighting a major uphill battle against a company that has released a game every year since 1999. Meanwhile Live is cancelled for the second time, needing to rebuild new systems for stuff that 2K has had in place for years.
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    youvalss
    Don't know if it will be back on track in the long run, but we already know that a new gen and amazing graphics create hype, and, I would assume, sell.
    I don't know if Live 20 could create a hype more than 18/19. But I think that 21, if looks amazing and moves well enough, will surely create some hype.

    I think you’re overstating the “hype” of new console graphics, especially when compared to the damage they’ve done to the brand already. There is a certain level of hype over improved graphics for games like 2K and Madden sure, but Live’s reputation is so bad nobody but the people already buying Live are going to buy it on a new console just based on graphics. Which is why it makes no sense to punt on 20 if the idea is that they couldn’t make progress on gameplay so let’s just wait for the new consoles where we can spruce up the graphics and sell the game that way.
    It’s flawed logic because 2K is going to come with improved graphics as well as a track record of good gameplay and a name that people don’t equate with failure. Besides, we’ve already seen the allure of new console graphics not do a thing for Live’s sales. Elite 11 dropped on 360/PS4, the next time they released with 14 was on XBox One/PS4. Granted those graphics were crap, but nobody was checking for Live then before we saw screens. Then they got their graphics jump the following year and still got nothing as far as hype and sales.
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