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MLB The Show 21: Stadium Creator and Next-Gen Details

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MLB The Show 21

MLB The Show 21: Stadium Creator and Next-Gen Details

San Diego Studio had its MLB The Show 21 stadium creator and next-gen feature premiere earlier today, but the showcase was almost entirely dedicated to the stadium creator tool itself. The team really focused on how innovative the creator will be, driving home the point it should be easy and fun to use for just about anybody.

MLB The Show 21 Stadium Creator

Jon Ramsey, the lead engineer for the tool, joined the premiere to talk about what was essentially framed as his baby. Ramsey and his team began kicking around the idea of a stadium creator back in 2016, but due to challenges in functionality and how the tool would perform when moving to new platforms, was shelved in official development until 2019. At that point, the team started officially working on the feature to gear up for a next-generation release.

What’s Here?

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The stadium creator appears really, really well thought out. It doesn’t seem as though any shortcuts were taken in development. It’s an intuitive, snappy tool that should truly allow you to imagine and create a large swathe of unique stadiums.

Let’s start with some of the basics. Users will have the ability to create 30 different stadiums and save them into 30 different slots. There will be 30 pre-created stadiums to start from if you’re looking for a creative spark. It does not appear you will be able to save more than 30 stadiums at once, so running multiple unique franchises will probably not be possible this year.

Speaking of creativity, there are roughly 1,200 props that can be used in the stadium creator tool. If that number isn’t significant enough, Ramsey also announced that number will include animated props, including animals and dinosaurs. If you want an entire pasture of cows in right field, park them out there.

The tool should be easy to use for just about anyone. Everything is a puzzle piece that can be locked in with other pieces. It was stressed this is a complex tool, but the “easy mode” should make it plenty useable to those overwhelmed by all the functions. Speaking to the ease of use, there’s a “snap” feature with the stands that should allow your stadium to avoid looking wonky in terms of fan seating. This should make it easy to line up your stands and bleacher segments so everything meshes well.  If all this is still too much to digest, there will be stadium creator tutorial videos baked into the game this year, narrated by Coach, to help guide you through the process.

Diamond Dynasty Specifics

In terms of Diamond Dynasty, there will be plenty of restrictions on stadium creator wall depths and the batter’s eye. There are 150 wall presets that work for Diamond Dynasty. If you change anything on those walls, besides wall color, it will be invalid for online play. You can’t put anything in or around the batter’s eye to gain an advantage either. There will be a ton of different batter’s eye options for your stadium, including those from big league stadiums, but your creativity there will be limited.

The modes where you can use stadium creator are as follows:

The big gets are Road to the Show finally having a stadium select option, and you can use this all around Play Now. We already knew franchise mode would be in there due to prior streams, otherwise that would be another important one to note.

What’s Not Here?

Here are the places you can’t use stadium creator:

The big misses are custom leagues, MTO and offline Diamond Dynasty players. That said, until custom leagues get more depth, it’s not a huge miss to us because they don’t have enough life on their own either way. With MTO, you do those a lot of the time to get Team Affinity or play out single years with a specific MLB team, so that one doesn’t seem too bad either. Lastly, offline Diamond Dynasty players obviously lose a little juice here for an already alternate universe, but online DD players are in business. I would imagine it was left out of certain offline DD modes because it could make it easier to grind for certain things by messing with dimensions — plus Showdown/Moments/Conquest never even had a stadium select feature because you’re always playing specific MLB teams.

The other things not mentioned mostly revolve around domes not being in the creator tool this year — hurts some of the vibes for creating prior MLB eras — and nothing much on ad boards. We think those are the two biggest areas to focus in on next year, along with getting more stadium creator slots and getting create-a-stadium into every mode possible. Beyond that, smaller things like more bullpen placement areas and some other small details we’ll probably figure out once we’re using the tool will probably make it on to a future wishlist.

MLB The Show 21 Next Gen

SDS talked a little bit about next-generation features outside of the stadium creator, but the features and new inclusions seemed pretty limited outside of the usual launch items that we witnessed other sports game developers mentioning months ago, specifically haptic feedback and the DualSense controller.

On the PlayStation 5, haptic feedback is in for the DualSense controller. If you get beat inside on a fastball, you’re going to feel it in your hands. If you cue a ball off the end of the bat, you’ll feel a sense of ringing. This even works for handedness. If you’re a lefty catching the ball, you’ll feel it rumble in your right hand, and so on. Sliding on dirt will feel different than diving in the grass or climbing a wall. Adaptive triggers will also be included in this game and will help control player lock situations involving throw power functionality.

Obviously, this is a PR miss in some respects because it was called the “next-gen” stream. While the stadium creator is a next-gen feature, people wanted to see more on animations, graphics, crowd sizes, etc. We went into this mostly assuming the focus this year was 60 fps and 4K, and I think that’s the place we’ve landed. However, we understand why others want more from the graphics going into a new console. SDS generally has not gone crazy with next-gen graphical upgrades until a year or two into a new console, so this is normal for the studio. We’re not here to make excuses for SDS or anything, but we’re simply pointing out this is nothing new for SDS when it comes to the approach to next-gen consoles.

Diamond Dynasty Next Week

MLB The Show 21 Diamond Dynasty Choice Pack

Developers ended the stream teasing what they promise to be an epic Diamond Dynasty stream chockfull of tons of reveals, including mode functionality, ranked seasons changes, BR changes, and a heaping helping of new legend reveals.

The team closed the stream revealing the final five Series 42 cards coming in the MLB The Show 21 pre-order choice pack. Those legends to choose from include Babe Ruth for the Yankees, Cal Ripken Jr. for the Orioles, Frank Thomas for the White Sox, Pedro Martinez for the Red Sox, and Hank Aaron for the Braves. If you pre-order the Digital Deluxe edition, you will be able to choose two of these players when you download MLB The Show 21.

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  1. Well that answers some questions. Created stadium usable in home run Derby. Also, I saw green seats in addition to the blue seats we had been seeing so they look to be changeable. To what degree I'm not sure yet. I'm excited so far.
    Edit: noticed you can place fence doors on the fences themselves. Wonder what else you can attach to the walls? Also, looks like even if the wall clips into the stands it won't let you save, I assume objects can't be on the field. When the wall clipped through the stands the SD card icon with a cross popped up and then disappeared when the wall went back onto the field.
    Seancefc
    There’s nothing next gen about this so far. Stadium creator is a gimmick.

    Yea the "next gen reveal" turned into a "watch us play with the stadium editor" . I guess folks may have been right that this is the only next gen feature.
    lemarflacco
    Yea the "next gen reveal" turned into a "watch us play with the stadium editor" . I guess folks may have been right that this is the only next gen feature.

    It’s a neat feature but it certainly shouldn’t have been the priority...what’s more concerning is that it’s seemingly the ONLY improvement!
    douggoud
    Sold the game for me so I dunno about that.

    I’d rather have a next gen baseball game over dinosaurs and rhinos in the outfield but each to their own I suppose! 👍🏻
    lemarflacco
    Kinda of disappointing so far for me. I didn't need a Create a stadium tutorial.

    This makes me yearn for the dude who talked in so much detail about lighting a few years back that i forgot I was watching a stream about a baseball game.
    So this was a tutorial of how to use Stadium Creator, they didn’t even mention anything about face scans, better uniforms or how next Gen compared to last Gen.
    I knew that stadium creator would be the meat of the stream today, but I’m surprised there wasn’t really any other next gen discussion (save haptic feedback). Not even a mention of anything related to frame rate, textures, face scans, lighting, etc.
    Honestly it just furthers my assumption that they’re working on bigger graphical changes in the background. I think an update to player models, cloth physics, animations, and lighting are all closely tied together and may be in progress in the background as a 2-3 year process.
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    green94
    This makes me yearn for the dude who talked in so much detail about lighting a few years back that i forgot I was watching a stream about a baseball game.

    I get the feeling these weren't necessarily streams as much as they were videos prepared ahead of time. These streams weren't anything like the streams of years past, and I assume COVID had something to do with that. I think streams in the past would be like an hour or so long and they seemed a little more all over the place but had more time to talk about things. These videos are more like, 20 minutes on the average, and I wonder why they chose to only talk about them for that much.
    Either way, I'm happy because Stadium creator was what I wanted to hear about the most. I'm happy where the game is graphically (and I dunno what it was, but the dirt and grass in the video today looked different from last year. Might have been the grass type though). I'm just ready to start building stadiums and have some fun with it.
    Well that's solved a lot of indecision for most. Buy a PS5 or Xbox to 'Create a Stadium' . For all other baseball related franchise interest.... keep playing on a PS4..... Roll on '22
    So the game is basically a 1 to 1 port from PS4? I thought we would get a dramatic improvement in lighting as a bear minimum but it doesn't look much improved from last year. I came with very low expectations and still ended up disappointed.
    Seancefc
    There’s nothing next gen about this so far. Stadium creator is a gimmick.

    And the franchise stream was all about them rebuilding the core instead of just adding more gimmicks and most people still complained. So thanks for proving that no one is ever happy.
    Well, there is no reason for offline DD players to get excited about custom stadiums. I have always said that there was no point in offline DD players collecting stadiums because you get almost no chances to choose your stadium. I was hoping that might change with custom stadiums.
    Well now they confirmed that custom stadiums are not available in Conquest, Moments, and Showdown. The main three modes offline DD players use.
    For those more Franchise oriented, they are also not available in custom leagues or March To October.
    Playboy™
    So this was a tutorial of how to use Stadium Creator, they didn’t even mention anything about face scans, better uniforms or how next Gen compared to last Gen.

    Didn't they mention they were gonna go over it at the beginning? Then they covered DD lol which was reserved for a stream next week?
    Seancefc
    There’s nothing next gen about this so far. Stadium creator is a gimmick.
    A gimmick that took 10 years to create, has been widely requested for even longer, and appears to be executed nearly flawlessly? Just because you aren't interested in something doesn't make it a gimmick. It's literally the reason I bought a PS5.
    I do find it odd that they didn't even mention graphics on a premiere about Next-Gen. I guess it just confirms my suspicion that the next gen version looks identical to the current gen version. Not sure what everyone who says that it looks so much better is seeing.
    Seancefc
    There’s nothing next gen about this so far. Stadium creator is a gimmick.

    Just a brutal take.
    Like, yes you have been able to do stuff like this in Tycoon games etc. but this is so much further along than anything else we've ever had in a console sports game for this element. Calling it a "gimmick" is silly -- people ask for this feature in every sports game, and especially for a baseball game.
    Peeps can be big mad about not getting more info about graphics and not simultaneously lash out and rip everything else because they're unhappy their thing was not talked about. It's okay to have some nuance.
    bayman
    And the franchise stream was all about them rebuilding the core instead of just adding more gimmicks and most people still complained. So thanks for proving that no one is ever happy.
    The franchise stream was thrm saying they tuned two things and redid the graphical interface for the mode. What exactly is there to be excited about for this year? They can say it is for the future and that is fine, but that doesn't change that nothing was added to this year's game. If it pays off and we see the mode improve in the future, that's awesome, but that doesn't change that nothing was really added for this year.
    The game and SCEA are allowed to be criticized. If you want happiness, go to the gameplay stream. The game plays amazingly on the field and looks to be even better this year. Franchise mode, though, is clearly lagging behind by quite a bit and I don't think you could find one honest person who would disagree.
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    ChaseB
    Just a brutal take.
    Like, yes you have been able to do stuff like this in Tycoon games etc. but this is so much further along than anything else we've ever had in a console sports game for this element.
    I wouldn't say further along than anything we've ever had. It looks like a clone of what Big Ant has in their games. That's a compliment, don't take it the wrong way, the stadium creators in their games are awesome and work well and this creator in The Show looks like it is HEAVILY influenced by their games.
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    canes21
    I wouldn't say further along than anything we've ever had. It looks like a clone of what Big Ant has in their games. That's a compliment, don't take it the wrong way, the stadium creators in their games are awesome and work well and this creator in The Show looks like it is HEAVILY influenced by their games.
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    There's way more to this than the one in AO Tennis. I dunno about Cricket since I haven't played it (not sure if it's in there or not), but yeah. I think how it's set up is similar in terms of usability for sure. The sponsors and the color palette are what I would yoink from AO as well.
    the stadium creator is SUPER impressive, it really is. With that said there is nothing about the game on next gen that feels visually different from 20 on ps4. Lighting, grass, players, everything looks almost identical.
    judging by the stream it also suffers from some framerate slow down during some closeups when in 4k. 20 on the PS5 is buttery smooth for gameplay and closeups when in "balanced mode", its really incredible, but when u play 4k u still see some slow down and this looks to be much the same
    I am not thrilled with what I have seen so far and I am disappointed that there is no reason for me to create a stadium as an Offline DD Player.
    BUT - That does not mean that I am not impressed with what I saw with the stadium creator, or that I have to be so focused on what I want that I can't appreciate that they are implementing a feature that has been at the top of the wish lists for so many others for so long.
    They aren't just making the game for me. They are making it for millions of gamers.
    So besides stadium creator there is nothing Nex-Gen? What a disappointment! No graphical upgrades, stadium details, cloth and hair dynamics, presentation upgrades?
    UNIT180
    So besides stadium creator there is nothing Nex-Gen? What a disappointment! No graphical upgrades, stadium details, cloth and hair dynamics, presentation upgrades?

    I am thoroughly disappointed not even a mention
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    MattyIce
    I am thoroughly disappointed not even a mention
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    In their video with the coach this afternoon, he mentioned textures upgraded ( stadium, grass and uniforms as well).
    But instead of showing us they just can’t resist to talk about DD and their damn reveals.
    On a more positive note, I was disappointed on how dull the fences look but near the end he said when you have most or dirt on fences they’ll move with it. So they can be enhanced which is good news.
    Just rewatching the video on youtube to point some things out:
    21:08 mark, stadium info shows stadium place and says "Major Metro". Don't know if this is like "suburbs" vs "city" or if it'd the default name for the park but is interesting, pretty sure it's just the name of the city probably. Also altitude, year and seat color are choosable from this menu, sweet. Wonder what limitations there are for altitude and how it'll affect the stadium.
    22:03 mark, the Big A is in and looks higher quality than it ever has (since it's not visible on anything but pop-ups and flyballs in Angels Stadium). This works well to my making 1966 Angels Stadium :)
    Couple seconds later you got placeable bridges. I kinda wanna make something with a bridge just beyond the field. Hit a homerun onto the bridge!
    I noticed the homerun apple from Shea and Citi Field. I wonder if there are things we can make trigger when we hit a homerun?
    It also seems like we can place props pretty far out. Around the 23:35 mark we can place a scoreboard on the surrounding rock formations.
    Looks like mounds of grass/ground/dirt are placeable. Got everything on mounds of grass around the 23:50 mark.
    Lettering is nice. Looks like different font types are available. At least blue standard font and then dinosaur bones :lol: least we can spell some stuff out. That won't get abused online at all.
    Did notice that the distant scenery takes up storage (not too surprising). Looks like Red Rocks takes up the least while costal takes up the most? I think costal is the one with the amusement park pier thing so that might be why.
    Anyone else pick anything else up?
    lemarflacco
    Yea the "next gen reveal" turned into a "watch us play with the stadium editor" . I guess folks may have been right that this is the only next gen feature.

    I would say “watch us play with outfield fences and bleachers”
    What out playing the the dugouts, bullpens, grass, infield patterns ?
    I don’t mind you do Stadium Creator only stream but do it right.
    ChaseB
    There's way more to this than the one in AO Tennis. I dunno about Cricket since I haven't played it (not sure if it's in there or not), but yeah. I think how it's set up is similar in terms of usability for sure. The sponsors and the color palette are what I would yoink from AO as well.
    I didn't even realize AO Tennis was from them also. Cricket and Rugby have it. I was able to recreate the Orange Bowl pretty accurately around 5ish years ago with the rugby one.
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    MetsFan16
    Anyone notice bullpen placement?
    Looks like so far I’ve seen only foul territory bullpens which would be a little bit of a bummer

    I think that's it. This will be on my wishlist for next year, including more on concourses, lawns, out-of-play walls (kind of in tandem with the bullpen idea), slanted sections, etc. There is just so much more that this creator can do to fill out what we'd kind of "need," heh.
    I'm just glad not all seats will be blue, lol.
    My urgency to secure a PS5 has again lessened after this stream. I know there are graphical and performance enhancements with the PS5 over the PS4, but nothing in regards to only next gen features, moves the needle for me to want to play the PS5 version.
    Stadium creator is amazing, but its not a feature that I'm anxiously awaiting to play/use.
    I need the Kirby presentation stream - his team has done such a great job iterating over the years and i would have to think they brought over a lot of the great elements from last year as well as some new stuff.
    Shoot! I guess there is absolutely no way we’re going to get a confirmation that we can carry over a ROSTER? Maybe they’ve taken rosters out of the game (just kidding), but full roster accurracy is sort of important.
    It totally lacked what the game is going to look like. The PRO on the PS5 looks beautiful. It’s hard to convince someone as the video uploads to Youtube just don’t cut it. Maybe that’s the reason. But, they might have given a caveat in that regard, but nothing. Not even a bone.
    douggoud
    Just rewatching the video on youtube to point some things out:
    21:08 mark, stadium info shows stadium place and says "Major Metro". Don't know if this is like "suburbs" vs "city" or if it'd the default name for the park but is interesting, pretty sure it's just the name of the city probably. Also altitude, year and seat color are choosable from this menu, sweet. Wonder what limitations there are for altitude and how it'll affect the stadium.
    22:03 mark, the Big A is in and looks higher quality than it ever has (since it's not visible on anything but pop-ups and flyballs in Angels Stadium). This works well to my making 1966 Angels Stadium :)
    Couple seconds later you got placeable bridges. I kinda wanna make something with a bridge just beyond the field. Hit a homerun onto the bridge!
    I noticed the homerun apple from Shea and Citi Field. I wonder if there are things we can make trigger when we hit a homerun?
    It also seems like we can place props pretty far out. Around the 23:35 mark we can place a scoreboard on the surrounding rock formations.
    Looks like mounds of grass/ground/dirt are placeable. Got everything on mounds of grass around the 23:50 mark.
    Letting is nice. Looks like different font types are available. At least blue standard font and then dinosaur bones :lol: least we can spell some stuff out. That won't get abused online at all.
    Did notice that the distant scenery takes up storage (not too surprising). Looks like Red Rocks takes up the least while costal takes up the most? I think costal is the one with the amusement park pier thing so that might be why.
    Anyone else pick anything else up?

    They mentioned it, but attaching objects to other objects, and then being able to move them in tandem is a really nice QOL element. There's going to be plenty of smaller things to ask (beyond the major stuff like ad boards and domes), but these are good finds.
    I think those that have been wishing for a stadium creation tool could not be happier. They really developed this thing to be a monster.
    Very happy for those that really love doing this sort of thing.
    But there is nothing that is moving the needle for me for this years game. This will be the first time since 2009 I will not purchase the game on release.
    The streak is over.
    But hey.....I am sure the game will play great. But we know my reasons I am sitting this one out for most of this cycle.
    I do think at some point way later in the year I can pick this up to play some RTTS if I hear great feedback on the new video pod casts and also on March To October improvements.
    Franchise? MLB 20 is all I need on the PS5. We are extremely happy right there.
    I really hope they bring Y2Y or at the very least roster importing back on 22.....because I simply do not see roster creators starting from scratch every cycle. That is just crazy after the run we had on PS4. Can’t be stressed enough the content available in terms of replay ability for old school classic roster baseball fans.....and Bacon’s brilliant Fictional Roster too!!!
    There is also a lot of important things we want for franchise mode (expanded Rosters being at the very top of the list with Y2Y saves) to make it a must have game again.
    dalger21

    Being able to choose our stadium in RTTS is such a game changer.
    I usually play for the Mets in RTTS and now I can create the Binghamton/Syracuse ballparks to play in before I reach the majors.
    ChaseB
    They mentioned it, but attaching objects to other objects, and then being able to move them in tandem is a really nice QOL element. There's going to be plenty of smaller things to ask (beyond the major stuff like ad boards and domes), but these are good finds.

    I like that a lot now that you mention it! It'll be great when you decide to change some dimensions after the fact and you don't have to move 100 individual pieces and just move the big chunk of then. That's gonna make things a lot easier.
    As for ad boards, I'm assuming we'll get existing ones at least like Levi's and coke, if not the MLB Network stuff. At least it'll do for the time being for me.
    Now I just gotta stick 10 Big A's in the outfield and see what it looks like :lol:
    TheDarkKnightRises
    Being able to choose our stadium in RTTS is such a game changer.
    I usually play for the Mets in RTTS and now I can create the Binghamton/Syracuse ballparks to play in before I reach the majors.

    Smith field here I come! (And whatever field the Trash Pandas play at).
    Super disappointing. The best thing about next-gen videos are the showcase of the graphical improvements over the previous gen. I'd skip it again this year if it weren't on Gamepass.
    Damn yall are ridiculous. Your mad because they didn't mention hair texture??? Unlike madden, 2k, fifa that focus on that stuff and give crap games year after year. There are barely any mention of why they didn't improve gameplay which tells me the game is playing good... it's that's what's really important or have they set the bar to high...
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    Seancefc
    I’d rather have a next gen baseball game over dinosaurs and rhinos in the outfield but each to their own I suppose! 👍🏻

    The ps4 gameplay was already outstanding. Features like this were sorely needed, imo.
    Added a monsterous feature that appears to be everything and more for a community that has BEGGED for this.
    Some of y’all need to take a step back man. It’s usually the same people thread hopping too, whining thread to thread about the same crap.
    Realize this was one, if not the biggest, community request and they absolutely nailed it. (Yes, there is a much bigger community than here at OS, though some don’t believe that)
    The hell you mean “is this the only next gen feature?!? OMGGG”. Do you even realize how much freaking work this was and how much resources it required to make this a reality for a huge part of The Shows fan base? Man some of y’all are crazy lol
    totally agree with this post armor and sword, in addition Im still not convinced sounds of the show will be back... If xbox cant support it they may removed it all together. They would need a different menu for the PS version of the game and im not sure if they would support only on PS and not xbox. I really dont think many have given much thought to this but dont be surprised if SOTS is NOT in 21.. I might be wrong but hey that would be another reason to stay with 20
    I'm curious how much haptic features on the PS5 push the needle for folks. I love it on NBA 2K21, but sense it's not as big of a deal in a baseball game.
    Hate to burst everyone’s bubble but I don’t think we’re going to see any graphical changes this Gen at all reason being the stadium creator and the stadiums that you can create are all using last gen assets still If they were to ever focus on graphics they would have to do a complete overhaul of those stadium assets as well which I really don’t think they’re going to do at all now
    Tomba
    Hate to burst everyone’s bubble but I don’t think we’re going to see any graphical changes this Gen at all reason being the stadium creator and the stadiums that you can create are all using last gen assets still If they were to ever focus on graphics they would have to do a complete overhaul of those stadium assets as well which I really don’t think they’re going to do at all now

    The fact that the Big A looks way better than it did before (since it was too far from the stadium and not visible outside of pop-flies and whatnot) I believe this is incorrect.
    Armor and Sword

    But there is nothing that is moving the needle for me for this years game. This will be the first time since 2009 I will not purchase the game on release.

    What ? If I don’t have my Armor’s sliders I’m going on strike :signball:
    I have to admit I am disappointed. I already bought the game and not disappointed that I did as there are some things that sound promising (improved fielding animations, some franchise logic improvements, haptic feedback on PS5). But my general sense is this will be very similar to last version (which is still very solid).
    Just seems like the biggest sell point is the stadium creator. I know many enjoy this and that is cool. For me personally I have zero interest in that. I just want to play in real ballparks anyway (I liken this to the course creator in PGA 2k.....cool but I want the real courses). I'd have rather seen the resources gone in different direction.
    I’m very worried for next years game and the year after
    I hardly see graphics improving when the stadium creator is taking graphic from the PS4 version
    It’d have to mean that if they improved graphics they’d have to then improve all the stadium stuff too which has like thousands of models to them redo
    I just don’t see it being any better than what we have now anytime soon
    Tomba
    I’m very worried for next years game and the year after
    I hardly see graphics improving when the stadium creator is taking graphic from the PS4 version
    It’d have to mean that if they improved graphics they’d have to then improve all the stadium stuff too which has like thousands of models to them redo
    I just don’t see it being any better than what we have now anytime soon
    You literally just posted the same thing twice in a row....
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    brahmagoul
    I'm curious how much haptic features on the PS5 push the needle for folks. I love it on NBA 2K21, but sense it's not as big of a deal in a baseball game.
    I'm definitely looking forward to the haptics, especially for RTTS. I usually just do button accuracy throwing with the meter, but since they're adding haptics for the triggers, I'm definitely gonna check out that fielding option instead.
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    Also..I want to make the cookie cutter stadiums. I don't see anything that says that's going to be possible. That batters eye restriction is going to hamper bowl style stadiums like the Vet, Riverfront, etc etc....I'm kind of disappointed. It seems they want you to make the New school "old school" style stadium.
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    Kenzojoe
    Why are they pushing the Dinosaur And UFO theme? That's kind of corny. A waste of memory tbh...I rather have actual baseball things to put in a baseball stadium. Not dinosaurs or UFOs....
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    I’d say there are a lot of 7 year old baseball fans out there who think otherwise.
    Gotta remember this OS forum is a very very small minority of the games fanbase.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Added a monsterous feature that appears to be everything and more for a community that has BEGGED for this.
    Some of y’all need to take a step back man. It’s usually the same people thread hopping too, whining thread to thread about the same crap.
    Realize this was one, if not the biggest, community request and they absolutely nailed it. (Yes, there is a much bigger community than here at OS, though some don’t believe that)
    The hell you mean “is this the only next gen feature?!? OMGGG”. Do you even realize how much freaking work this was and how much resources it required to make this a reality for a huge part of The Shows fan base? Man some of y’all are crazy lol

    Its one thing . A stadium creator. So you realize if someone is not using the stadium creator (which is not going to be everyone) then there is literally no additional features for ps5 users. Its like if they said this year , ALL we did was redo DD. Then you scold people that don't play DD and excoriate them for wanting other game improvements.
    I think you need to take a step back SIR and realize there is a community (bigger than here on OS) who didn't want to sacrifice the ability to get ANY next gen features in exchange for a fantasy, ball park tycoon mode.
    Tomba
    I’m very worried for next years game and the year after
    I hardly see graphics improving when the stadium creator is taking graphic from the PS4 version
    It’d have to mean that if they improved graphics they’d have to then improve all the stadium stuff too which has like thousands of models to them redo
    I just don’t see it being any better than what we have now anytime soon

    Optimistically, I’m hoping that they rebuild the stadiums for next gen at some point. And, if they do that, then they can possibly rebuild them as blocks instead of as one megalithic piece, which would allow them to simultaneously update the CAB assets.
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    lemarflacco
    Its one thing . A stadium creator. So you realize if someone is not using the stadium creator (which is not going to be everyone) then there is literally no additional features for ps5 users. Its like if they said this year , ALL we did was redo DD. Then you scold people that don't play DD and excoriate them for wanting other game improvements.
    I think you need to take a step back SIR and realize there is a community (bigger than here on OS) who didn't want to sacrifice the ability to get ANY next gen features in exchange for a fantasy, ball park tycoon mode.

    One person working on the stadium creator didn't stop other things from being in next gen.
    HozAndMoose
    One person working on the stadium creator didn't stop other things from being in next gen.
    I think the main guy that worked on it said that altogether more than 20 people worked on stadium creator
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    I was really itching to get next gen just for the show mainly because of stadium creator.
    but after today i'll be happy w/ last gen and can hold off on next gen.
    not saying it's bad, but i really don't think i'd use stadium creator only for a few games here or there.
    it's a great feature and glad it's finally here - and if I do a historic franchise it is a must - but not a next gen system seller for me right now.
    baseballguy99
    the stadium creator is SUPER impressive, it really is. With that said there is nothing about the game on next gen that feels visually different from 20 on ps4. Lighting, grass, players, everything looks almost identical.
    judging by the stream it also suffers from some framerate slow down during some closeups when in 4k. 20 on the PS5 is buttery smooth for gameplay and closeups when in "balanced mode", its really incredible, but when u play 4k u still see some slow down and this looks to be much the same

    i know you can really tell on youtube but it looked like the colors for next gen are not as vibrant and bright as last gen.
    Tomba
    I’m very worried for next years game and the year after
    I hardly see graphics improving when the stadium creator is taking graphic from the PS4 version
    It’d have to mean that if they improved graphics they’d have to then improve all the stadium stuff too which has like thousands of models to them redo
    I just don’t see it being any better than what we have now anytime soon

    well on PS4 it took them 3 years to really max out the graphics. MLB 18 looked a lot better than 17 , 16, 15.
    A must buy for me..  hands down the gameplay has been significantly improved. The new feature on piching mechanics and hitting.. i love the game SDS has done a great job with the game.. the Stadium creater its just an addon to the next Gen.. the game already looks great on 4k plus crossplay you guys Rock.. ????????????
    Tomba
    Hate to burst everyone’s bubble but I don’t think we’re going to see any graphical changes this Gen at all reason being the stadium creator and the stadiums that you can create are all using last gen assets still If they were to ever focus on graphics they would have to do a complete overhaul of those stadium assets as well which I really don’t think they’re going to do at all now

    That would be a big disappointment if true considering the game on ps4 was not that big of a graphics upgrade over ps3. I mean on ps3 the show had by far the best graphics of any sports team. On ps4 not so much.
    beau21
    I knew that stadium creator would be the meat of the stream today, but I’m surprised there wasn’t really any other next gen discussion (save haptic feedback). Not even a mention of anything related to frame rate, textures, face scans, lighting, etc.
    Honestly it just furthers my assumption that they’re working on bigger graphical changes in the background. I think an update to player models, cloth physics, animations, and lighting are all closely tied together and may be in progress in the background as a 2-3 year process.
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    Gosh, I hope so, because it's a hard-pass for me on '21. I was really, REALLY looking forward to this date as the words "NEXT GEN" got me excited...I'm bummed... :jpshakehe
    I won't use the Create-a-Stadium feature as I am a pure SIM gamer who loves my offline franchise; I understand the "marketing" as they need to appeal to the broader audience who is not a SIM gamer...ah well. MLB '20 does everything for me and as I stated it runs buttery smooth. Definitely not worth $69.99, so I'll stick to what I have with the roster vault :) #bummed
    I love the option of stadium creator but for me, it is a non factor unless we can upload rosters from 20. Without roster uploads and carry over saves, this feature is useless to me. Imagine if we could recreate stadiums from 80's and 90's with a classic retro roster. I only play the show for classic rosters and if roster creators have to start all over next gen, I'm sticking with 20 for foreseable future.
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    Tommyklaid
    I won't use the Create-a-Stadium feature as I am a pure SIM gamer who loves my offline franchise; I understand the "marketing" as they need to appeal to the broader audience who is not a SIM gamer...ah well.

    Are people who will create stadiums not SIM gamers?
    VinnyVegas28
    I love the option of stadium creator but for me, it is a non factor unless we can upload rosters from 20. Without roster uploads and carry over saves, this feature is useless to me. Imagine if we could recreate stadiums from 80's and 90's with a classic retro roster. I only play the show for classic rosters and if roster creators have to start all over next gen, I'm sticking with 20 for foreseable future.
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    I don't care much for the feature in franchise, but historic stadiums with classic rosters is what I was really looking forward to. I doubt rosters carry over, but it would be amazing if they do. I hope that roster makers make it over to 21 and that we hear Y2Y saves and all of that are returning to 22 so we can have a huge library of rosters and stadiums moving forward.
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    MetsFan16
    I’d say there are a lot of 7 year old baseball fans out there who think otherwise.
    Gotta remember this OS forum is a very very small minority of the games fanbase.
    This forum has nothing to do with it. I highly doubt that if a 7 year old is into baseball...he's not a normal kid. He's probably not into UFOs and Dinosaurs. Baseball isnt as big of a game as it once was.
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    I’m sure it was a lot of work to implement this feature, but I have a feeling none of the create a stadiums will look as good as licensed stadium. They all seem a bit empty or generic. Was hoping for domes, but maybe next year. I’m gonna pass on this year. Game looks nearly identical on next gen.
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    VinnyVegas28
    I love the option of stadium creator but for me, it is a non factor unless we can upload rosters from 20. Without roster uploads and carry over saves, this feature is useless to me. Imagine if we could recreate stadiums from 80's and 90's with a classic retro roster. I only play the show for classic rosters and if roster creators have to start all over next gen, I'm sticking with 20 for foreseable future.
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    I feel exactly the same. In '20 we have all those great rosters but not all the stadiums. Seems in '21 we can have all the stadiums, but lack the great classics rosters.
    We will have to depend on all the great roster makes to get a ps5, get '21 and find some way to transfer their rosters. If not we have to hope they will start from scratch, which i don't see happening.
    So, for now i'm not buying 21. I'm still very happy with '20 on the ps5.
    Hope you guys enjoy '21.
    Hats off to this amazing stadium creator mode but I must say I’m a bit disappointed graphics info wise. They’d better just called this feature stream “stadium creator deep dive” or something.
    I’m sure they’ve done graphical improvements here and there bust just nothing drastical or noteworthy in their eyes.
    For example check this screenshot; The grass meeting the dirt on the pitchermound where the grass is not perfectly cut off when hitting the dirt. I believe that wasn’t in before. Just small things like that might surprise us
    Kenzojoe
    This forum has nothing to do with it. I highly doubt that if a 7 year old is into baseball...he's not a normal kid. He's probably not into UFOs and Dinosaurs. Baseball isnt as big of a game as it once was.
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    What? .... no, seriously ... what?
    My son just turned 6 yesterday and is MAJORLY into baseball. I actually got him a tee ball set to practice his upcoming first season playing in a league
    Guess what? He also loves dinosaurs and UFOs ..
    Is my son not “normal” then?
    Some of you folks have a major disconnect from the real world I swear to God.
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    Gosens6
    What? .... no, seriously ... what?
    My son just turned 6 yesterday and is MAJORLY into baseball. I actually got him a tee ball set to practice his upcoming first season playing in a league
    Guess what? He also loves dinosaurs and UFOs ..
    Is my son not “normal” then?
    Some of you folks have a major disconnect from the real world I swear to God.
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    Yeah my son is 5 (will be 6 in July) and he loves baseball. He watches it with me on tv, we attend games when possible, and he's addicted to playing the game in Little League.
    He also enjoys dinosaurs, UFO's/aliens, video games, reading, school, drawing, and a host of other things.
    He seems pretty normal to me because his classmates/friends are into similar things.
    As to the comment that this is in response to, I love how someone picks two things/props out of 1500 or so they stated are in the game to try to drive home/validate a point. And to follow that up with an ignorant comment about what "normal" kids at a young age should be into.
    This place never ceases to amaze me.
    Tommyklaid
    I won't use the Create-a-Stadium feature as I am a pure SIM gamer who loves my offline franchise; I understand the "marketing" as they need to appeal to the broader audience who is not a SIM gamer...ah well. #bummed

    Dolenz
    Shouldn't you be playing Out of The Park Baseball then?

    Using his logic, OOTP isn’t even sim. They have a stadium creator and my dude is THE sim baseball gamer. Wouldn’t be caught creating a stadium, that NEVER happens in real life man.
    I’ve seen some funny posts but man, some people just don’t have a clue LOL.
    Simply unbelievable.... Did they really just shoehorned DD in the "next gen" stream? That is beyond absurd. Seriously to only show off the stadium creator, (which they have done for weeks now) and not mention anything else besides 1 minute of talk about the duelsense and then cut straight to DD talk, is a slap in the face to everyone looking forward to hearing everything about Next Gen.
    I was looking forward to next gen baseball but if they can't even be bother to give a small ounce of details as to why next gen is better than last gen other than stadium creator in its own dedicated stream, and instead talk about DD, you lose me.
    Is there any way to cancel pre-orders on the ps5?
    The stream was very disappointing but I never had a problem with the graphics anyway. If the game looks exactly the same with 4K/60 and faster loading times with improved gameplay I’m happy.
    Very disappointing start to next-gen.
    Since MLB is a Sony studio, I thought for sure we would see a big leap in features, graphics, and gameplay.
    Gosens6
    Contact PS Support and they should cancel and refund you almost immediately

    Yep, this is what I did. I still have my Xbox One X with game pass, so I just cancelled the PS5 version since yesterday’s stream did not justify me spending money on the next gen version.
    Something to consider when talking about next gen improvements is whether a game is coming out for "last" gen too. If it is, developers are basically creating one game with a ceiling that's much lower graphically because of that.
    Next gen is gonna give us significant resolution and framerate bumps, quicker loading times, and stadium creator.
    That's a lot.
    When SDS is developing just for next gen, then I'll have my pitchfork ready if global improvements aren't made.
    Piffhuxtable
    The stream was very disappointing but I never had a problem with the graphics anyway. If the game looks exactly the same with 4K/60 and faster loading times with improved gameplay I’m happy.

    Sure would of been nice to know if any of what you mentioned here is a next gen feature.. We know the PS4 version will run 4k/60 on a ps5, but what about the ps5 version? If only they did a stream dedicated to the details of next gen...
    New Intro Presentations
    Smooth 60 FPS Gameplay
    More Detailed Stadiums and Environments
    Immersive 3D Audio (PS5-specific)
    Game-Changing Haptic Feedback (PS5-specific)
    How about a glimpse of these "new intros," "detailed stadiums/environments," and describe how the 3D audio is immersive for the game?
    I just don't get how these are next gen features, but they don't discuss them in this stream. It makes no sense. I get wanting people to be excited when you load the game but, but zero discussion on these?
    They clearly have a new scorebug as well....how about discussing the new presentation elements in the game?
    Fuimus Troes
    Something to consider when talking about next gen improvements is whether a game is coming out for "last" gen too. If it is, developers are basically creating one game with a ceiling that's much lower graphically because of that.
    Next gen is gonna give us significant resolution and framerate bumps, quicker loading times, and stadium creator.
    That's a lot.
    When SDS is developing just for next gen, then I'll have my pitchfork ready if global improvements aren't made.

    I just wish they developed it separately. When you compare MLB 2K7 on Xbox 360 vs. Xbox, it's a "different game." Different cameras, visually recreated, new animations, revamped baserunning interface, the works. I think even different menus, but I'm not sure. Same commentary, but that was about where the differences stayed.
    The Show decided to stay the same in transition from PS2-PS3, then PS3-PS4, now PS4-PS5. It's been the same engine this entire time.
    ryanmc564
    Sure would of been nice to know if any of what you mentioned here is a next gen feature.. We know the PS4 version will run 4k/60 on a ps5, but what about the ps5 version? If only they did a stream dedicated to the details of next gen...

    Agree with you. Yesterday’s stream was very confusing to say the least.
    Blzer
    I just wish they developed it separately. When you compare MLB 2K7 on Xbox 360 vs. Xbox, it's a "different game." Different cameras, visually recreated, new animations, revamped baserunning interface, the works. I think even different menus, but I'm not sure. Same commentary, but that was about where the differences stayed.
    The Show decided to stay the same in transition from PS2-PS3, then PS3-PS4, now PS4-PS5. It's been the same engine this entire time.
    Similar to NBA 2k21, they made the PS4 version then a completely new game for when next-gen was released
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    Blzer
    I just wish they developed it separately. When you compare MLB 2K7 on Xbox 360 vs. Xbox, it's a "different game." Different cameras, visually recreated, new animations, revamped baserunning interface, the works. I think even different menus, but I'm not sure. Same commentary, but that was about where the differences stayed.
    The Show decided to stay the same in transition from PS2-PS3, then PS3-PS4, now PS4-PS5. It's been the same engine this entire time.
    2k has done that every generation with their sports games and it is nice. They clearly are a more forward thinking developer compared to SCEA and definitely EA.
    I think SCEA has expanded to a point where they're out of their comfort zone the last few years. They've had undeniable success with DD that has brought more players in than ever before and it seems that they've struggled with having a consistent vision since then.
    I'm not one that hates DD or thinks the mode is ruining the game. I played it as much as franchise last year. I only think that before DD and the game was less popular that SCEA had a clearer vision towards building a very authentic experience on the field. Since the rise of DD it seems the company doesn't have a set vision they continue to work towards. Instead, it feels that each year they are randomly selecting what to work on and not building onto things year after year like in the past.
    Fortunately the on field gameplay is amazing, so it isn't as big of a deal, but I can't help but look at SCEA over the last 3 or so years and think they look a little lost from a directive standpoint.
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    TheBleedingRed21
    Using his logic, OOTP isn’t even sim. They have a stadium creator and my dude is THE sim baseball gamer. Wouldn’t be caught creating a stadium, that NEVER happens in real life man.
    I’ve seen some funny posts but man, some people just don’t have a clue LOL.

    'Sim' is just a catch-all phrase at this point. It's so over-used as an excuse for everything people don't like that it's completely lost its meaning or relevance.
    I'd much rather people say "I don't care about this feature" and leave it at that.
    csamuelsvt
    New Intro Presentations
    Smooth 60 FPS Gameplay
    More Detailed Stadiums and Environments
    Immersive 3D Audio (PS5-specific)
    Game-Changing Haptic Feedback (PS5-specific)

    How about a glimpse of these "new intros," "detailed stadiums/environments," and describe how the 3D audio is immersive for the game?

    I just don't get how these are next gen features, but they don't discuss them in this stream. It makes no sense. I get wanting people to be excited when you load the game but, but zero discussion on these?
    They clearly have a new scorebug as well....how about discussing the new presentation elements in the game?

    I bolded what i consider to be needed to have been shown
    Dolenz
    Shouldn't you be playing Out of The Park Baseball then?

    U don’t play the games which makes that game useless to actual sim video game players
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    elfdutch
    Does anybody know if they mentioned anything about sounds of the show for next gen?
    Wondering if that is still in there.

    Sorry fella, They mention nearly zero features for next gen. You can build a stadium and your controller will rumble differently on ps5. That is it.
    Are you kidding me with this so called "Next Gen" feature premiere?
    This was nothing more then just showing us how to use Stadium Creator.
    And instead of showing us some cool graphic upgrades for next gen instead they waste time talking about the boring Diamond Dynasty mode! :(
    Seems to me MLB The Show 21 Next gen will be nothing more then a slightly enhanced version with a few cool new features like Stadium Creator and the new controller features.
    Nothing at all like what 2K has done with there next gen basketball game.
    ryanmc564
    Sorry fella, They mention nearly zero features for next gen. You can build a stadium and your controller will rumble differently on ps5. That is it.

    Yep this is truly sad!!!!!! :(
    I am just mad at myself for expecting to see the kind of graphic upgrades in MLB The Show that NBA2K or even madden and Fifa hit with their next gen version.
    Also how can a 3rd partly company give their games a big graphic upgrade for next gen while first party can't?
    There has definitely been a shift in culture, creative vision, and attitude toward the game from the SCEA team compared to 10 years ago. It may have to do with a change in upper management, or maybe pressure from MLB on what they envision for the game. But regardless everything from marketing strategy to feature development is different now.
    And not that it is better or worse now but a lot of people here I think proffered their old way of working (more focus on details and under promise over deliver).
    Every company changes over time and at the end of the day, they’ll do whatever it takes to keep making a profit.
    elfdutch
    Does anybody know if they mentioned anything about sounds of the show for next gen?
    Wondering if that is still in there.

    Honestly I don’t know and I suspect it’s not there due to Xbox
    tnixen
    Yep this is truly sad!!!!!! :(
    I am just mad at myself for expecting to see the kind of graphic upgrades in MLB The Show that NBA2K or even madden and Fifa hit with their next gen version.
    Also how can a 3rd partly company give their games a big graphic upgrade for next gen while first party can't?

    I hear ya. I wasn't really expecting to be Wow'd necessarily by graphic improvements given their past transition to next gen. I have notice they have sneeked in brief clips of real next gen gameplay in a few videos (the dirt is the give away, it looks more detailed and looks to show slide and track marks on it)
    but at the very least talk about what has been done, obviously improvements were made here and there. I just would if liked to hear about it in better detail than a quick mention on a teaser trailer for the stream..
    csamuelsvt
    New Intro Presentations
    Smooth 60 FPS Gameplay
    More Detailed Stadiums and Environments
    Immersive 3D Audio (PS5-specific)
    Game-Changing Haptic Feedback (PS5-specific)
    How about a glimpse of these "new intros," "detailed stadiums/environments," and describe how the 3D audio is immersive for the game?
    I just don't get how these are next gen features, but they don't discuss them in this stream. It makes no sense. I get wanting people to be excited when you load the game but, but zero discussion on these?
    They clearly have a new scorebug as well....how about discussing the new presentation elements in the game?

    Exactly! All of this stuff above, even spending a few minutes on each, would have been awesome. I guess we will get user reviews soon enough... but the detailed environments would have been great to see.
    green94
    Exactly! All of this stuff above, even spending a few minutes on each, would have been awesome. I guess we will get user reviews soon enough... but the detailed environments would have been great to see.

    Agreed. Definitely a misleading feature premier title. Not what was advertised, and if they made a decision late to change they should have communicated it.
    tnixen
    Yep this is truly sad!!!!!! :(
    I am just mad at myself for expecting to see the kind of graphic upgrades in MLB The Show that NBA2K or even madden and Fifa hit with their next gen version.
    Also how can a 3rd partly company give their games a big graphic upgrade for next gen while first party can't?

    Many reasons why but no one wants to hear them and if I did list them, I would just be told "that is no excuse", though.. it is legit reasons, but many do not understand how any of this works and sets themselves up for disappointment. This is the state of gaming right now. (Keep in mind, I would have liked to see more improvements, but this whole "graphics" thing is funny as hell. If they did a huge leap in graphics but didn't improve gameplay/add stadium creator, yall would just raise hell about that.. "Same game just looks better", it never ends lol)
    TheBleedingRed21
    Many reasons why but no one wants to hear them and if I did list them, I would just be told "that is no excuse", though.. it is legit reasons, but many do not understand how any of this works and sets themselves up for disappointment. This is the state of gaming right now. (Keep in mind, I would have liked to see more improvements, but this whole "graphics" thing is funny as hell. If they did a huge leap in graphics but didn't improve gameplay/add stadium creator, yall would just raise hell about that.. "Same game just looks better", it never ends lol)

    I couldn't agree with you more when you try to make your points or state the case as to reasons why. Thats why I see inclusion of the Xbox as a huge positive. More players, more money. With more income they can expand their team and resources, acquire new talent, the list goes on and on.
    First of all I don't care about the Stadium Creator at all. Secondly I'm kinda pissed that it was added to Online Rated games since that's the only Online mode that I play. Immersion is a big thing for me and I don't even like playing against people when they choose another stadium that's not the current team's stadium. Ugh!
    Definitely disappointing this was all Stadium Creator and not really much next gen stuff...oh well, it'll still be fun to play in a week or so
    bigbuckeyeboi
    First of all I don't care about the Stadium Creator at all. Secondly I'm kinda pissed that it was added to Online Rated games since that's the only Online mode that I play. Immersion is a big thing for me and I don't even like playing against people when they choose another stadium that's not the current team's stadium. Ugh!

    What's that, we can't hear you with the huge letters.
    Might want to change font size.
    The Kid 24
    What's that, we can't hear you with the huge letters.
    Might want to change font size.

    Anyone else read it like he was shouting? :coola:
    Anyway, I'm just hoping that they do continue improving Stadium Creator in years to come. I will happily accept resources used on that front if they can build more toward "being able to build a park as creatively as real MLB parks."
    I don't know if we can truly ever get there, but one massive start would be putting bullpens behind outfield walls. Heck, there are a lot of things regarding outfield walls that still need to be addressed, though they probably got the most difficult one out of the way in being able pretty much adjust the walls however you see fit.
    Blzer
    Anyone else read it like he was shouting? :coola:
    Anyway, I'm just hoping that they do continue improving Stadium Creator in years to come. I will happily accept resources used on that front if they can build more toward "being able to build a park as creatively as real MLB parks."
    I don't know if we can truly ever get there, but one massive start would be putting bullpens behind outfield walls. Heck, there are a lot of things regarding outfield walls that still need to be addressed, though they probably got the most difficult one out of the way in being able pretty much adjust the walls however you see fit.
    In one of the videos with Tatis and Coach weren't the placing solar panels in foul territory and the bullpens were not there meaning there should be more options as to where they are located?
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    canes21
    In one of the videos with Tatis and Coach weren't the placing solar panels in foul territory and the bullpens were not there meaning there should be more options as to where they are located?
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    I think you’re referring to this video and you’ll see the bullpens are down the left field line, solar panels are being placed beyond left field wall
    I don’t think we’ve seen bullpens places anywhere besides foul territory
    I'm really excited about this feature but I don't know if it's enough for me to get '21, might still hold out for '22. The loss of Y2Y saves did me in for this year. Honestly if they were smart, they should go ahead and say when they plan to bring back Y2Y saves because if we can still transfer '21's franchise to '22's I might still get it.
    And to those who make fun of DINOs in the OF, I have a created team named the Raptors and was very happy to see that, so suck it.
    Balldude777

    And to those who make fun of DINOs in the OF, I have a created team named the Raptors and was very happy to see that, so suck it.

    Ha, I created a team called the Raptors back on MVP baseball 05 (I think) Which I believe was also the same game you could create a stadium..
    csamuelsvt
    New Intro Presentations
    Smooth 60 FPS Gameplay
    More Detailed Stadiums and Environments
    Immersive 3D Audio (PS5-specific)
    Game-Changing Haptic Feedback (PS5-specific)
    How about a glimpse of these "new intros," "detailed stadiums/environments," and describe how the 3D audio is immersive for the game?
    I just don't get how these are next gen features, but they don't discuss them in this stream. It makes no sense. I get wanting people to be excited when you load the game but, but zero discussion on these?
    They clearly have a new scorebug as well....how about discussing the new presentation elements in the game?

    That is why the stream was weak sauce. Went over really none of that in your list. When you put those out as bullet points....why would you not show it on your next gen feature stream?
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    I'm a guy who spends hours just creating rosters, logos, and uniforms for my franchise, so super excited to create stadiums for all my created teams, hundreds of hours just doing this.
    I find it more entertaining than actually playing the game.
    Bought PS5 for MLBtheShow only.
    ryanmc564
    Simply unbelievable.... Did they really just shoehorned DD in the "next gen" stream? That is beyond absurd. Seriously to only show off the stadium creator, (which they have done for weeks now) and not mention anything else besides 1 minute of talk about the duelsense and then cut straight to DD talk, is a slap in the face to everyone looking forward to hearing everything about Next Gen.
    I was looking forward to next gen baseball but if they can't even be bother to give a small ounce of details as to why next gen is better than last gen other than stadium creator in its own dedicated stream, and instead talk about DD, you lose me.
    Is there any way to cancel pre-orders on the ps5?

    I don’t agree with a lot of the whining in here but I definitely agree with this.
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    That’s all on the details for next gen? Just the stadium and controller? Doesn’t look like it’s worth paying 600-700 for at the moment. Probably a good thing cause there’s nothing available around here and will be for a while. Guess I’m sticking with the PS4 pro version since I probably won’t be playing with the stadium anyways. Only thing I’d be looking forward to is the real minor league stadiums especially for the Jays since they play away from home.
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    JoshC1977
    'Sim' is just a catch-all phrase at this point. It's so over-used as an excuse for everything people don't like that it's completely lost its meaning or relevance.
    I'd much rather people say "I don't care about this feature" and leave it at that.
    Dude, tell me about it. That post was so NOT sim.
    JaFFiTh
    That’s all on the details for next gen? Just the stadium and controller? Doesn’t look like it’s worth paying 600-700 for at the moment. Probably a good thing cause there’s nothing available around here and will be for a while. Guess I’m sticking with the PS4 pro version since I probably won’t be playing with the stadium anyways. Only thing I’d be looking forward to is the real minor league stadiums especially for the Jays since they play away from home.
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    Who would buy a console for just one game? LOL. Better be one hell of a game.
    To be fair.. the 60FPS and 4K is worth the upgrade alone. Was on MLB 20 PS4 version playing on PS5. If 21 isn’t your cup of tea, people playing 20 on the PS5 will feel a huge upgrade instantly.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Who would buy a console for just one game? LOL. Better be one hell of a game.
    To be fair.. the 60FPS and 4K is worth the upgrade alone. Was on MLB 20 PS4 version playing on PS5. If 21 isn’t your cup of tea, people playing 20 on the PS5 will feel a huge upgrade instantly.

    Quite a few folks on here Bought a PS3/PS4 just because of the The Show. I know I did. Was a dedicated PC gamer until I was at a friends house and played The Show '07 or '08 I can't remember. Went out that day and bought a PS3. Been a Playstation guy ever since.
    Bullit
    Quite a few folks on here Bought a PS3/PS4 just because of the The Show. I know I did. Was a dedicated PC gamer until I was at a friends house and played The Show '07 or '08 I can't remember. Went out that day and bought a PS3. Been a Playstation guy ever since.
    I bought a PS3 solely because of The Show.
    I bought a PS2, PS3, PS4, and PS4 Pro all for The Show. Now that it's no longer an exclusive, I won't be buying a PS5.
    People are allowed to be disappointed, ya know, just like people are allowed to be excited.
    Personally I don't really care about the Ballpark stuff so I'm just gonna keep playing 20 until the PC version comes along, hopefully next year.
    jeffy777
    I bought a PS2, PS3, PS4, and PS4 Pro all for The Show. Now that it's no longer an exclusive, I won't be buying a PS5.
    People are allowed to be disappointed, ya know, just like people are allowed to be excited.
    Personally I don't really care about the Ballpark stuff so I'm just gonna keep playing 20 until the PC version comes along, hopefully next year.

    I understand you but I also bought a PS5 for The Show.
    But who knows, may not buy a PS6 ! I may be late on the fastball tho !
    I can certainly understand some of the gripe regarding a lackluster stream. There are many “little things” that have been pointed out in the next-gen captures of the trailers by many members here in OS - why not take 5-10 minutes of the stream and show them off? It feels to me that it was an opportunity lost. This could have easily been the most detailed stream, imo.
    As a game developer, wouldn’t a new platform be the perfect opportunity to showcase the skill of your team? Give your artists the spotlight and let their work shine. Stadium creator was a large undertaking, yes. But that is only part of the equation in terms of next gen. There was assumingely a good amount of work done to make the game “next-gen” that wasn’t given the love and attention in the stream that it perhaps deserved. Why not give some love to the texture artists? What changes were made to the MLB stadiums that makes them “more detailed” than what’s gone before? What about the new rain effects I saw on a previous stream? Infield dirt markings? What about audio/crowd? Birds in the sky? There are plenty of things to have been discussed. For those developers whos work was skipped over, I can’t help but feel a bit bad for them — especially since the presentation cut to a topic that wasn’t supposed to be touched on (that has an entire future stream dedicated to it already).
    It’s just a personal feeling, but this could have been presented with a much clearer priority list. Maybe some feel the same, maybe some don’t (and that’s okay!). We all love this game, and because of that we all get a little passionate about it.
    Bullit
    Quite a few folks on here Bought a PS3/PS4 just because of the The Show. I know I did. Was a dedicated PC gamer until I was at a friends house and played The Show '07 or '08 I can't remember. Went out that day and bought a PS3. Been a Playstation guy ever since.

    You bought the PS3 and PS4 at launch just to play The Show and nothing else (cause I was referring to his comment relating to the price)? Huh.. guess it happens. LOL.
    Given that they mentioned they were thinking about Stadium Creator as much as 10 years ago and started really giving it serious consideration 5 years ago, it's obvious that it's a very difficult thing to include.
    I am beyond happy that we're getting it even if it isn't as full functioning as some would like it to be. I found the stream fascinating because I didn't realize it took one person three full months to render just one stadium.
    I have a PS5 and I have an Xbox Series X so I have the option to get it for free on game pass and I'm still leaning toward buying it for the PS5.
    I want to support SDS, especially after we learned that that Stadium Creator guy has been there for 18 years. I love that kind of company loyalty and you know a good developer wouldn't be there that long if they didn't treat him well).
    I have absolutely no complaints about this feature and I can't wait to tinker with it. For any of you guys who don't have a next gen yet, I sincerely hope you find one (if you want one) so you can enjoy this feature.
    It would be fantastic if SDS announced that anyone buying the currently gen game would be eligible for a great deal on the next gen game once they get their new consoles.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Who would buy a console for just one game? LOL. Better be one hell of a game.
    To be fair.. the 60FPS and 4K is worth the upgrade alone. Was on MLB 20 PS4 version playing on PS5. If 21 isn’t your cup of tea, people playing 20 on the PS5 will feel a huge upgrade instantly.

    I did. PS2-PS4 pro mostly for the show. I also play other games but buying the PlayStation systems was cause of the show. I had an X-box before that. Looks like I’ll be sticking with the Pro for now. Not enough upgrade or information to convince me to attempt to buy ps5 yet (if there’s even any available). Only thing that seems to be new so far is the stadium creator. So it’ll be the show on pro this year for me. Saves me money, can’t complain there lol.
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    TheBleedingRed21
    You bought the PS3 and PS4 at launch just to play The Show and nothing else (cause I was referring to his comment relating to the price)? Huh.. guess it happens. LOL.

    Well not at launch for the PS3 but I bought it solely to play The Show at first. Sure I ended up playing a few other titles. The PS4 was bought at launch just for The Show and the intro to carry over saves.
    slthree
    Given that they mentioned they were thinking about Stadium Creator as much as 10 years ago and started really giving it serious consideration 5 years ago, it's obvious that it's a very difficult thing to include.
    I am beyond happy that we're getting it even if it isn't as full functioning as some would like it to be. I found the stream fascinating because I didn't realize it took one person three full months to render just one stadium.

    No one is denying the technical dedication it took to get create-a-stadium in the game.
    The problem is that time and resources could've been used to improve other, more important aspects of the game, like commentary, other presentation aspects, better uniform physics (similar to NBA 2K), CPU-generated players that don't look like they came straight out of a coloring book, franchise mode improvements, RTTS improvements, etc. We've been waiting for a lot of these things as long as people have been waiting for create-a-stadium.
    Let's be real... they could've just made a basic create-a-stadium feature and people that wanted the feature would've still been happy. Instead, they dumped the majority of their resources into the feature so they could have that sexy, back-of-the-box feature to brag about.
    Is it a deep and impressive feat? Yes.
    Was it worth sacrificing other aspects of a next-gen game that desperately need improving that an equal amount of people have been waiting years for as well? Absolutely not.
    The only reason I ever bought PlayStations was for The Show. And then I got into the best adventure franchise ever in Uncharted. Then God of War, Little Big Planet, Last of Us...etc. but at first it was soley bc of The Show
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    bigd51
    .... CPU-generated players that don't look like they came straight out of a coloring book

    Now you’ve set me off, lol. If there’s ONE thing I can pinpoint that really gives me that WTH is this moment.......it’s this.
    bigd51

    Let's be real... they could've just made a basic create-a-stadium feature and people that wanted the feature would've still been happy. Instead, they dumped the majority of their resources into the feature so they could have that sexy, back-of-the-box feature to brag about.

    Yeah no they wouldn't. People would have complained about it and been like "we waited 15 years for this?" (In comparison to what MVP 05 had). And how do we know for a fact that the time it took to make this that they would have been able to add everything or some of what you mentioned?
    Me personally, I'm glad they added the stadium creator as it is. The game looks fine as is. Is it perfect? No, no game is. But it certainly isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.
    TheBleedingRed21
    You bought the PS3 and PS4 at launch just to play The Show and nothing else (cause I was referring to his comment relating to the price)? Huh.. guess it happens. LOL.

    MLB 08 The Show was glorious at the time. Easily worth 560 bucks. I remember being in awe with the game using replays just to look at the details of the stadiums. It was the first true PS3 the show game.
    douggoud
    Me personally, I'm glad they added the stadium creator as it is. The game looks fine as is. Is it perfect? No, no game is. But it certainly isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be.

    That's great for you. But an in-depth create-a-stadium isn't enough to justify a next-gen game when those resources could've gone to more important aspects of the game.
    How do we know those resources would've gone into more important aspects of the game? That's common sense.
    Santa Monica/Cory Barlog spent 5 years completely revamping God of War and came away w/ the best game of the series b/c they committed to actual improvement across the board.
    What is SDS's excuse for a "next-gen" reveal after 15 years?
    TheBleedingRed21
    You bought the PS3 and PS4 at launch just to play The Show and nothing else (cause I was referring to his comment relating to the price)? Huh.. guess it happens. LOL.

    I did. Played a full 178 games season, all pitches no quick count spread over 2 versions ‘19 & ‘20.
    Well I bought 3 more games over those 2 years but never finished them. Was always going back to my favorite sport game.
    So yes it happens ;-)
    ryanmc564
    I hear ya. I wasn't really expecting to be Wow'd necessarily by graphic improvements given their past transition to next gen. I have notice they have sneeked in brief clips of real next gen gameplay in a few videos (the dirt is the give away, it looks more detailed and looks to show slide and track marks on it)
    but at the very least talk about what has been done, obviously improvements were made here and there. I just would if liked to hear about it in better detail than a quick mention on a teaser trailer for the stream..

    Wait, so you’re saying that mainly we have been seeing current gen gameplay that’s been captured on next gen console?
    Care to post some examples of actual next gen gameplay you’re talking about?
    I am hoping that this is the case and we haven’t truly seen what the next gen version of this game actually looks like.
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    This is why I am not purchasing the game this year. Nothing appeals to me. Could care less about a stadium creator.
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    tabarnes19
    Hoping for some next generation only features beyond just stadium creator.
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    Don't hold your breath.
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    baseballguy99
    Is there no commentary or presentation stream? Really wondering if they’ve done anything to improve the broadcast

    To call these streams is a stretch. They are pre-recorded promotional videos that happen to be scheduled to premiere live. They also seem to be limiting them to 30 minutes or less instead of the hour or so we used to get.
    I think it is pretty safe to assume that if they do not mention something on a stream that it, at best, only received minor tweaks.
    At this stage I have played several games that have had both PS4 and PS5 versions (Watch Dogs Legion, No Mans Sky, Days Gone) and none of them had the graphic jump in quality people seem to expect out of this game. I still think that what people expect and what the console is capable of (at 60 FPS) is a pretty huge difference.
    Dolenz
    At this stage I have played several games that have had both PS4 and PS5 versions (Watch Dogs Legion, No Mans Sky, Days Gone) and none of them had the graphic jump in quality people seem to expect out of this game. I still think that what people expect and what the console is capable of (at 60 FPS) is a pretty huge difference.

    I wouldn't have expected any graphical jump in this game compared to what we got unless they planned on redesigning the game for this generation, which is what I was initially hoping they were doing. Otherwise, I guess I got what I expected out of its first year of separation, which is not a lot.
    I've kind of been underwhelmed by next-gen anyway. When the first PS5 gameplay footage was released (not of this game, but of the PS5 in general), I laughed saying the launch titles basically look like PS4 games. And they kind of do.
    Nothing like that one tech demo yet.
    Blzer
    I wouldn't have expected any graphical jump in this game compared to what we got unless they planned on redesigning the game for this generation, which is what I was initially hoping they were doing. Otherwise, I guess I got what I expected out of its first year of separation, which is not a lot.
    I've kind of been underwhelmed by next-gen anyway. When the first PS5 gameplay footage was released (not of this game, but of the PS5 in general), I laughed saying the launch titles basically look like PS4 games. And they kind of do.
    Nothing like that one tech demo yet.

    Hasn’t this always been the case? The first year of a new console cycle never blew me away, well maybe when we went from SD to HD from ps2 tot ps3. I think we’ll never see such an inprovements in graphics again. The games will eventually look a lot better on the ps5 but I think we should not only focus on graphics but also on loading times and fps for these next generation consoles. If you’re used to that you can never go back.
    Having said that I’m really siked for Ratchet & Clank, I think that game is gonna look insane like playing a pixar movie.
    joe_canons
    Wait, so you’re saying that mainly we have been seeing current gen gameplay that’s been captured on next gen console?
    Care to post some examples of actual next gen gameplay you’re talking about?
    I am hoping that this is the case and we haven’t truly seen what the next gen version of this game actually looks like.
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    Im not sure how to post pictures from the cell phone. But if you watch the Legends trailer at the 0:47 to 0:49 mark (caught stealing clip) pay attention to the dirt. It looks vastly more detailed than of the rest of the clips in the video.
    Granted, I have notice over the past several years not every stadiums dirt looks the same in the game, the nationals stadium seemed to
    have more texture opposed to other stadiums that i can recall. But i can't recall it being that detailed and showing track marks it (especially when the catcher is celebrating)
    They did state in the Next gen stream teaser they did improve stadium details, uniform and player textures, when the question was asked. So they did do stuff, its just baffling they choose not to mention anything at all about it in the actual so-called deep dive stream...
    LastActionHero
    Hasn’t this always been the case? The first year of a new console cycle never blew me away, well maybe when we went from SD to HD from ps2 tot ps3. I think we’ll never see such an inprovements in graphics again. The games will eventually look a lot better on the ps5 but I think we should not only focus on graphics but also on loading times and fps for these next generation consoles. If you’re used to that you can never go back.
    Having said that I’m really siked for Ratchet & Clank, I think that game is gonna look insane like playing a pixar movie.

    This has always been the case for SDS, but that's exactly why I was hoping something was different this time around.
    Are you saying that if ten console generations later we were still on this engine, that you'd be okay with it because that's what they've done the previous thirteen ones?
    ryanmc564
    They did state in the Next gen stream teaser they did improve stadium details, uniform and player textures, when the question was asked. So they did do stuff, its just baffling they choose not to mention anything at all about it in the actual so-called deep dive stream...

    I'm not sure how much they actually touched these things, rather than just letting all those details pop in better through optimization. Like, I think these details were always there (maybe), but now that the framerate can handle some things they didn't have to delete those details through optimization.
    I just don't think much was done, outside of player faces. Still no change in skies either.
    ryanmc564
    Im not sure how to post pictures from the cell phone. But if you watch the Legends trailer at the 0:47 to 0:49 mark (caught stealing clip) pay attention to the dirt. It looks vastly more detailed than of the rest of the clips in the video.
    Granted, I have notice over the past several years not every stadiums dirt looks the same in the game, the nationals stadium seemed to have more texture opposed to other stadiums that i can recall. But i can't recall it being that detailed and showing track marks it (especially when the catcher is celebrating)

    Correct, I posted this earlier..
    Last year it was all over the place, some stadiums looked to have okay dirt where others looked really bad. Hopefully it’s better all over the board this year.
    Does anyone know what stadium this is?
    LastActionHero
    Correct, I posted this earlier..
    Last year it was all over the place, some stadiums looked to have okay dirt where others looked really bad. Hopefully it’s better all over the board this year.
    Does anyone know what stadium this is?

    Pretty sure that’s Shea Stadium (old Mets stadium)
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    joe_canons
    Pretty sure that’s Shea Stadium (old Mets stadium)
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    Vercingetirex
    Considering that is the mets I would assume citifield.

    It's definitely Shea Stadium.
    Blzer
    I'm not sure how much they actually touched these things, rather than just letting all those details pop in better through optimization. Like, I think these details were always there (maybe), but now that the framerate can handle some things they didn't have to delete those details through optimization.
    I just don't think much was done, outside of player faces. Still no change in skies either.

    I'm thinking the same thing. Which would be okay with me if that's what was done as of right now. I wasn't expecting a radical leap at all into next-gen. They had a lot going on this cycle having to bring game to next gen and having to bring it over to whole new platform.
    I'm Perhaps more or less disappointed that they didn't make much of a big deal about the jump to next gen like they did when the show hit the PS4, they couldn't wait to talk about it and the following years they were giddy to talk about all the cool optimizations they were able to achieve between cycles. Remember when Ramone came on here the first year the show was on PS4 all excited about them cracking the lighting code late into development for the PS4? Those were the days....
    bigd51
    That's great for you. But an in-depth create-a-stadium isn't enough to justify a next-gen game when those resources could've gone to more important aspects of the game.
    How do we know those resources would've gone into more important aspects of the game? That's common sense.
    Santa Monica/Cory Barlog spent 5 years completely revamping God of War and came away w/ the best game of the series b/c they committed to actual improvement across the board.
    What is SDS's excuse for a "next-gen" reveal after 15 years?

    Well that's good for you as well, but I'm pretty sure there's been a large enough crowd to justify stadium creator being the biggest thing. Also, there are definitely more people that have been waiting longer for stadium creator vs next gen improvements. I've been waiting since I first started playing in 06, and we've gotten plenty of "next gen" improvements when we went to the PS3 and then the PS4. The improvements for PS5 will come, be patient. And no it isn't common sense. What if 19 of those 20 people or so were all the art department? Would the art department improve franchise? No, it wouldnt (not unless you count the stadiums, and seeing as the Big A definitely looks improved, stadium creator probably led to some improvements of some assets of stadiums, if not all of them). So no we don't know for a fact that not having stadium creator would have meant drastic improvements elsewhere, least not as dramatic as you're hoping for.
    Ok, they don't release games every year though. The Show is released yearly. You can't equate the two. Also, I waited 13 years for Kingdom Hearts 3 to come out. Most of which was because they changed to the unreal engine vs what they had before. Kingdom Hearts 3 is the worst of the 3 main games IMO. Looks great, but everything else let it down. Those extra years were probably also dedicated to improvements "across the board". Went well for them......
    People like you tend to forget how small of a studio SDS is compared to 2K and EA. Hopefully now that Xbox is going to add to sales, we'll see if Sony will give them more budget each year to afford more people. Time will tell. And stop acting like there have been zero graphical improvements in the past 15 years, because that's laughable. Graphical improvements usually come in year 2 or 3. Always has been that way.
    There's a lot to like about Stadium creator in the video.
    What I like:
    1. Very comprehensive. Really loving how much it appears I can build.
    2. Pre built templates will help those of us that aren't as good as building from scratch.
    3. Open creativity. Make large walls, short fences. Make what you envision.
    4. Protects batter's eye. Can't undo a good baseball rule.
    5. A lot of options to choose. Appears we can build a stadium and have enough options to get it close to what we might be envisioning. Really looking forward to seeing how much and what I can choose from.
    6. Stadium Vault. Being able to get to download all kinds of awesome creations is amazing.
    What I don't like:
    1. No domes. This is a misstep. A lot of folks wanted to build a dome or a classic dome. While I don't like Domed baseball stadiums, I think we should have had some dome options.
    2. The presets might be too restrictive for the more creative crowd. While I pointed to this as a positive for those less creative I know there are some that want to start from scratch.
    3. Current stadiums can't be edited. While the reasoning seemed to make sense, I know some of us wanted to take current stadiums and either make upgrades or in some cases return them to their look before renovations.
    4. Online restrictions seem too strict. Until we see all the all the preset created stadiums it harder to judge but I didn't like the "any edit to the wall" rule they said. I don't know a perfect way but they should have come up with something that allows us to make our stadium and still play online with it, even it both sides have to agree or something.
    5. Only 30 stadiums. While I'm sure that will be enough for a lot of us, I think a lot of folks were hoping for more. There will be a lot of awesome creations in the vault.
    thescoop
    There's a lot to like about Stadium creator in the video.
    What I like:
    1. Very comprehensive. Really loving how much it appears I can build.
    2. Pre built templates will help those of us that aren't as good as building from scratch.
    3. Open creativity. Make large walls, short fences. Make what you envision.
    4. Protects batter's eye. Can't undo a good baseball rule.
    5. A lot of options to choose. Appears we can build a stadium and have enough options to get it close to what we might be envisioning. Really looking forward to seeing how much and what I can choose from.
    6. Stadium Vault. Being able to get to download all kinds of awesome creations is amazing.
    What I don't like:
    1. No domes. This is a misstep. A lot of folks wanted to build a dome or a classic dome. While I don't like Domed baseball stadiums, I think we should have had some dome options.
    2. The presets might be too restrictive for the more creative crowd. While I pointed to this as a positive for those less creative I know there are some that want to start from scratch.
    3. Current stadiums can't be edited. While the reasoning seemed to make sense, I know some of us wanted to take current stadiums and either make upgrades or in some cases return them to their look before renovations.
    4. Online restrictions seem too strict. Until we see all the all the preset created stadiums it harder to judge but I didn't like the "any edit to the wall" rule they said. I don't know a perfect way but they should have come up with something that allows us to make our stadium and still play online with it, even it both sides have to agree or something.
    5. Only 30 stadiums. While I'm sure that will be enough for a lot of us, I think a lot of folks were hoping for more. There will be a lot of awesome creations in the vault.

    If they build on the feature you would think domes are coming. It's the next logical step for the feature. They may not have been able to come up with the right solution in time since Domes definitely complicate the process immensely.
    Current stadiums likely won't ever be editable. Most licensing agreements for things like that will never allow it in any video game.
    For online, there's like 200 different preset walls that can be used online. That seems like a huge number for that crowd.
    Regarding point 5, you can use the vault as a way to save more of them. It seems weird they limited it unless it is for stability purposes for the game's sake, but ateast the vault will allow us to go past 30 and not lose anything.
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    I don't know if these answers are already known but:
    1) Created Stadiums are only on Next Gen consoles. There is no vault on current gen to download created stadiums and play in them.
    2) The 30 new generic stadiums that was created by SDS are next gen only
    Just thought I would share
    canes21
    If they build on the feature you would think domes are coming. It's the next logical step for the feature. They may not have been able to come up with the right solution in time since Domes definitely complicate the process immensely.
    Current stadiums likely won't ever be editable. Most licensing agreements for things like that will never allow it in any video game.
    For online, there's like 200 different preset walls that can be used online. That seems like a huge number for that crowd.
    Regarding point 5, you can use the vault as a way to save more of them. It seems weird they limited it unless it is for stability purposes for the game's sake, but ateast the vault will allow us to go past 30 and not lose anything.
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    I don’t disagree with any points that you made there. Overall, I’m very excited about this feature.
    bigd51
    That's great for you. But an in-depth create-a-stadium isn't enough to justify a next-gen game when those resources could've gone to more important aspects of the game.
    How do we know those resources would've gone into more important aspects of the game? That's common sense.

    What a coincidence that the thing you don’t care for just happens to be at fault. What are the odds?
    bigd51
    That's great for you. But an in-depth create-a-stadium isn't enough to justify a next-gen game when those resources could've gone to more important aspects of the game.
    How do we know those resources would've gone into more important aspects of the game? That's common sense.
    Santa Monica/Cory Barlog spent 5 years completely revamping God of War and came away w/ the best game of the series b/c they committed to actual improvement across the board.
    What is SDS's excuse for a "next-gen" reveal after 15 years?

    Could not disagree more. Literally EVERY year one of the more popular things people have asked for is.........create a stadium. There’s a reason they’ve been working on it for so long and under wraps. This is a lot bigger deal than you think. That’s also common sense.
    Thank God I’m not going to drop $70 on this year’s next gen version since I’m getting it on gamepass. I think the devs had a lot of work bringing this to Xbox this year and stadium creator is nice, but like many others have said it’s not enough to move the needle for me. $70 just for stadium creator is a bit underwhelming. I’m sure next year they’ll have more time with both next gen consoles under their belts and they’ll have a more next gen jump.
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    I'm just curious, what is the problem with people not liking stadium creator?
    Is it the whole should have used those resources on something else bit?
    And of course there are gonna be many other improvements to the game. No huge groundbreaking improvements, well except for stadium creator, which is long overdue and something we've been asking for forever.
    I think people are taking the new outfield play for granted. It could be a game changer. Also improvements to hitting, tons of new animations. But I understand if you don't wanna spend your money on it.
    I guess maybe it's the whole I want this, and then you get it but aren't happy with it because it didn't fit your exact vision.
    i feel like NBA2k has made people think sports games need to have massive graphic jumps between generations. Madden barely changed between ps4 and ps5 imo (besides jersey detail it seems), and no one really complained. so why are people angry about the show when it looks solid already? and the gameplay is also solid and looks to be improved? its also the first year, it's only gonna go up from here. the show 14 wasnt the peak of the show graphics on the ps4, and the show 21 wont be on ps5
    RTTS this year seems more next gen than anything with the video feedback on your player & with multiple MLB personalities giving feedback. That's only on next gen as well.
    I'm not sure if we will see button open jerseys, jersey pants moving loosely on the body. That's not SDS thing... I play franchise & will continue to do so..
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    decga
    RTTS this year seems more next gen than anything with the video feedback on your player & with multiple MLB personalities giving feedback. That's only on next gen as well.
    I'm not sure if we will see button open jerseys, jersey pants moving loosely on the body. That's not SDS thing... I play franchise & will continue to do so..
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    Yep. Seems like Rtts is the go to offline mode this year for next gen.
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    maddybutgames
    i feel like NBA2k has made people think sports games need to have massive graphic jumps between generations. Madden barely changed between ps4 and ps5 imo (besides jersey detail it seems), and no one really complained. so why are people angry about the show when it looks solid already? and the gameplay is also solid and looks to be improved? its also the first year, it's only gonna go up from here. the show 14 wasnt the peak of the show graphics on the ps4, and the show 21 wont be on ps5
    Not sure where you look but a hell of a lot of people complained about Madden's next gen jump as well
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    2. The presets might be too restrictive for the more creative crowd. While I pointed to this as a positive for those less creative I know there are some that want to start from scratch.
    3. Current stadiums can't be edited. While the reasoning seemed to make sense, I know some of us wanted to take current stadiums and either make upgrades or in some cases return them to their look before renovations.
    5. Only 30 stadiums. While I'm sure that will be enough for a lot of us, I think a lot of folks were hoping for more. There will be a lot of awesome creations in the vault.

    2) I think the ability to start with nothing but a plot of grass will be a great blank canvas for the creatives to paint
    3) I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of May all 30 current stadiums are in the vault, recreated in some alternative preexisting form or fashion
    5) saving to a flash drive ought to work as well as it does with saving extra rosters
    parky_17
    Not sure where you look but a hell of a lot of people complained about Madden's next gen jump as well
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    Most people over in the Madden forum who own a next gen system and have actually played Madden next generation have praised it for it’s player movement saying it adds an entirely new element of realism to the game that’s just not there on the current gen systems .
    Most of the complaints are just like the ones in the MLB The Show forum, are just about graphics.
    Graphics this and graphics that. Most of the people complaining about the graphics don’t even own a next generation system so I’m really not sure WHY there’s so many damn complaints about the graphics when they look absolutely beautiful.
    Now, the guys who are holding out on purchasing because of a lack of franchise mode improvements or, next generation “features” I totally get and they have every right to feel that way.
    Hell, even the guys who are complaining about graphics have a right to feel that way, I just don’t understand it.
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    Gosens6
    Most people over in the Madden forum who own a next gen system and have actually played Madden next generation have praised it for it’s player movement saying it adds an entirely new element of realism to the game that’s just not there on the current gen systems .
    Most of the complaints are just like the ones in the MLB The Show forum, are just about graphics.
    Graphics this and graphics that. Most of the people complaining about the graphics don’t even own a next generation system so I’m really not sure WHY there’s so many damn complaints about the graphics when they look absolutely beautiful.
    Now, the guys who are holding out on purchasing because of a lack of franchise mode improvements or, next generation “features” I totally get and they have every right to feel that way.
    Hell, even the guys who are complaining about graphics have a right to feel that way, I just don’t understand it.
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    I agree with the above. The difference between graphics and player movements or improvement is what I’d like to see. SDS is visually appealing and Graphic wise I could be critical but it is really not the Maine issue for me.
    I love the Stadium creator as I have mentioned but again enhance other things such as created uniforms to complete the overall immersion of a new team with the new ballpark.
    Also some different animations in the outfield...catches ..sliding...
    Also at bat, some subtle changes in movement in the box by batters ...leaning away ..ducking back from inside pitches..
    More Roster options as far as saves ect, carry overs
    All in all I’m pleased with SDS, and I’m looking forward to the new game ( don’t expect many changes) I’ve already pre- ordered Jackie Robinson I have my Ps5 so we will see...
    I bought a PS5 last month just for the Show. With how immersive the stadium creator is(and the fact that you can use it in RttS), I'm stoked about this game. The previous versions have all played really well in-game(despite the insane nitpicking that goes on here) and with the inevitable graphics upgrade, this is a must-buy at $70. We're only a $20 bill difference in price between this game and NCAA Football 2002 on PS2 on launch day. I won't post the screenshot comparison but some of you aren't true sports gamers and it shows.
    I’m such a huge baseball fan that I buy the game regardless because I enjoy playing it online with my friends.
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    PVarck31
    I'm just curious, what is the problem with people not liking stadium creator?
    Is it the whole should have used those resources on something else bit?
    And of course there are gonna be many other improvements to the game. No huge groundbreaking improvements, well except for stadium creator, which is long overdue and something we've been asking for forever.
    I think people are taking the new outfield play for granted. It could be a game changer. Also improvements to hitting, tons of new animations. But I understand if you don't wanna spend your money on it.
    I guess maybe it's the whole I want this, and then you get it but aren't happy with it because it didn't fit your exact vision.

    It's a feature I will use exactly 0 times, so that's the reason I am not excited about it and disappointed that it's essentially the only "next gen" selling point.
    I realize plenty of folks have requested it for years and I'm happy for them, but there are also plenty of other folks who didn't request it and therefore couldn't care less about it personally.
    jeffy777
    It's a feature I will use exactly 0 times, so that's the reason I am not excited about it and disappointed that it's essentially the only "next gen" selling point.
    I realize plenty of folks have requested it for years, but there are also plenty of other folks who didn't request it and therefore couldn't care less about it.

    See this is the kind of thing I just don't understand. Probably the two BIGGEST things people have asked for for nearly a decade (or more in case 2) are;
    1. Stadium Creator
    2. bring the game to Xbox
    So both are done YEAR ONE of next gen and some people are saying "you know i have a right to be disappointed.' Seriously? How many features, not improvements to features already in the game, do you expect to be implemented to a game in year one of a new system? Year ONE. I've bought this game nearly every year for playstation and even I can see how big of a deal this year's game is just for stadium creator let alone the fact that so many people that never had the game now can actually have the game. Hell, I even bought it for the Series X this year even though I also have a ps5 just so i can see the difference.
    I swear, these companies can't win. You get a good company that actually listens and improves a game every year and it still gets met as if this were EA or some other company that literally mails it in every year with roster patches only.
    Keirik
    I swear, these companies can't win.

    The gaming industry is bigger than the movie industry, the streaming industry, and music industry combined. I’m really not trying to hear this “oh won’t someone think of these nice developers” anymore tbh.
    Keirik

    I swear, these companies can't win. You get a good company that actually listens and improves a game every year and it still gets met as if this were EA or some other company that literally mails it in every year with roster patches only.

    Excellent point. The developers (who also are given marching orders) have given us stellar gameplay and are to be commended for the response to many of our requests. Although I don’t do anything other than play one year at a time in franchise mode (and I don’t even touch the other stuff) this game is loaded with so much stuff.
    Keirik
    See this is the kind of thing I just don't understand. Probably the two BIGGEST things people have asked for for nearly a decade (or more in case 2) are;
    1. Stadium Creator
    2. bring the game to Xbox
    So both are done YEAR ONE of next gen and some people are saying "you know i have a right to be disappointed.' Seriously? How many features, not improvements to features already in the game, do you expect to be implemented to a game in year one of a new system? Year ONE. I've bought this game nearly every year for playstation and even I can see how big of a deal this year's game is just for stadium creator let alone the fact that so many people that never had the game now can actually have the game. Hell, I even bought it for the Series X this year even though I also have a ps5 just so i can see the difference.
    I swear, these companies can't win. You get a good company that actually listens and improves a game every year and it still gets met as if this were EA or some other company that literally mails it in every year with roster patches only.

    Forgive me for not being excited about a feature I'll never use.
    I've always been a huge SDS fan and still am so you don't have to go on about how they can't win in response to my post. I love the gameplay and will continue to do so. I just simply answered the question as to why I'm not excited about this feature. Just being honest. Sorry if that ruffled your feathers.
    Keirik
    See this is the kind of thing I just don't understand. Probably the two BIGGEST things people have asked for for nearly a decade (or more in case 2) are;
    1. Stadium Creator
    2. bring the game to Xbox
    So both are done YEAR ONE of next gen and some people are saying "you know i have a right to be disappointed.' Seriously? How many features, not improvements to features already in the game, do you expect to be implemented to a game in year one of a new system? Year ONE. I've bought this game nearly every year for playstation and even I can see how big of a deal this year's game is just for stadium creator let alone the fact that so many people that never had the game now can actually have the game. Hell, I even bought it for the Series X this year even though I also have a ps5 just so i can see the difference.
    I swear, these companies can't win. You get a good company that actually listens and improves a game every year and it still gets met as if this were EA or some other company that literally mails it in every year with roster patches only.

    So I'm not one of the people saying they shouldn't have put time and effort into Stadium Creator when they could have done whatever, but I also don't see myself doing much with it personally. It has nothing to do with how well it's implemented in the game, it's just not my thing. Which is fine, I don't expect every aspect to apeal to me. I can totally see how this being the major feature is disappointing to people.
    Also, while I do think it's a positive thing that the game is more widely available, again it doesn't make much of a difference to someone who is getting the game on Playstation either way.
    jeffy777
    Forgive me for not being excited about a feature I'll never use.
    I've always been a huge SDS fan and still am so you don't have to go on about how they can't win in response to my post. I love the gameplay and will continue to do so. I just simply answered the question as to why I'm not excited about this feature. Just being honest. Sorry if that ruffled your feathers.

    Nah, didn’t ruffle my feathers at all. I just don’t get the gripe. I don’t play diamond dynasty or even road to the show that much. Not every feature is for every person. I just don’t understand the gripe when a company implements a brand new feature just because they didn’t also add in x,y,z other features along the way. That’s all. Hey if it saves you a few bucks then so be it.
    RainOnTim

    Also, while I do think it's a positive thing that the game is more widely available, again it doesn't make much of a difference to someone who is getting the game on Playstation either way.

    Big picture though. Game in the hands of more people opens it up to a wider audience. That helps the studio overall anyway for future releases.year one of new gen consoles traditionally haven’t been mind blowing anyway. I think we are forgetting that. Having this cross platform and this extremely asked for feature is a pretty big leap to me.
    I'm not one who will use Create a Stadium for building anything bc I'm not creative in that department. I may dabble a little bit but I won't spend alot of time in it. I am still super excited for this feature though bc I sure as hell am going to download a bunch of stadiums you all decide to create. I'm excited for it!
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    It is possible to also acknowledge that the Stadium Creator is a nice new feature, but also acknowledge that other areas wre neglected. You don't have to be 100% happy or 100% disappointed.
    I'm beyond glad the game is on GamePass/Xbox now. I'm excited to create some stadiums. I'm disappointed in how franchise mode got a new UI and some logic tuning and nothing more. I'm excited to see the improvements to the on field gameplay, I hate that the off field gameplay is once again neglected for the most part.
    The Show already plays amazing on the field and I could live without that even being touched this year. The off field franchise gameplay is pretty poor and it didn't really see any changes outside of some small logic changes. To me, 21 is not a big upgrade over 20 for that reason and it is why I wasn't going to buy the game, but since it'll be on GamePass I'll be playing it since I already sub to GamePass. While I can acknowledge how big of an addition Stadium Creator is, i can also acknowledge how little franchise was touched. I think if everyone could acknowledge that and understand where the franchise only people are coming from they'd understand the disappointment you're seeing around the internet with this game.
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    Gosens6
    Most people over in the Madden forum who own a next gen system and have actually played .
    Most of the complaints are just like the ones in the MLB The Show forum, are just about graphics.
    Graphics this and graphics that. Most of the people complaining about the graphics don’t even own a next generation system so I’m really not sure WHY there’s so many damn complaints about the graphics when they look absolutely beautiful.
    Now, the guys who are holding out on purchasing because of a lack of franchise mode improvements or, next generation “features” I totally get and they have every right to feel that way.
    Hell, even the guys who are complaining about graphics have a right to feel that way, I just don’t understand it.
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    ^ This exactly... I just don't understand how you can sell this game as next-gen when 'stadium-creator' is 99% of it...I understand the main 2 takeaways for 2021 are:
    1. Game is now on XBOX
    2. Stadium-creator in-game
    It's just a bit disappointing that these devs have had their hands on the next-gen hardware for quite some time and this is all they could come up with; albeit, there isn't much pressure from any competitors (RBI Baseball isn't even in the same breath).
    And yes, some of us are graphics-whores :y220d: / :))
    Player models & player movement need an overhaul in my opinion...hoping it is in the framework down the line as SDS continues to push the new consoles to their max. I'll be interested to see the comparisons between the PS4 Pro and the PS5 (XBX). :popcorn:
    canes21
    It is possible to also acknowledge that the Stadium Creator is a nice new feature, but also acknowledge that other areas wre neglected. You don't have to be 100% happy or 100% disappointed.
    I'm beyond glad the game is on GamePass/Xbox now. I'm excited to create some stadiums. I'm disappointed in how franchise mode got a new UI and some logic tuning and nothing more. I'm excited to see the improvements to the on field gameplay, I hate that the off field gameplay is once again neglected for the most part.
    The Show already plays amazing on the field and I could live without that even being touched this year. The off field franchise gameplay is pretty poor and it didn't really see any changes outside of some small logic changes. To me, 21 is not a big upgrade over 20 for that reason and it is why I wasn't going to buy the game, but since it'll be on GamePass I'll be playing it since I already sub to GamePass. While I can acknowledge how big of an addition Stadium Creator is, i can also acknowledge how little franchise was touched. I think if everyone could acknowledge that and understand where the franchise only people are coming from they'd understand the disappointment you're seeing around the internet with this game.
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    We are all entitled to an opinion. I feel for someone that isn’t excited for the game. I just think what they did this specific year was so important to the future of this game and baseball on the other console. Just think of how long Xbox users have been waiting for this game. It’s crazy.
    canes21
    It is possible to also acknowledge that the Stadium Creator is a nice new feature, but also acknowledge that other areas wre neglected. You don't have to be 100% happy or 100% disappointed.
    I'm beyond glad the game is on GamePass/Xbox now. I'm excited to create some stadiums. I'm disappointed in how franchise mode got a new UI and some logic tuning and nothing more. I'm excited to see the improvements to the on field gameplay, I hate that the off field gameplay is once again neglected for the most part.
    The Show already plays amazing on the field and I could live without that even being touched this year. The off field franchise gameplay is pretty poor and it didn't really see any changes outside of some small logic changes. To me, 21 is not a big upgrade over 20 for that reason and it is why I wasn't going to buy the game, but since it'll be on GamePass I'll be playing it since I already sub to GamePass. While I can acknowledge how big of an addition Stadium Creator is, i can also acknowledge how little franchise was touched. I think if everyone could acknowledge that and understand where the franchise only people are coming from they'd understand the disappointment you're seeing around the internet with this game.
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    Well said. I'm nowhere near 100% disappointed. I was only responding to the question about Stadium Creator specifically. I'm truly thrilled that they're going cross platform. Honestly if they would just add back a few features that they removed (Online Co-op, Season Mode, and Online Franchise or at least add CPU teams to leagues), then I'd be on be on cloud nine. They need to stop taking pages out of EA's playbook with the removal of features and weak franchise updates, but as far as the gameplay and cross platform goes, hats off to them.
    Keirik
    We are all entitled to an opinion. I feel for someone that isn’t excited for the game. I just think what they did this specific year was so important to the future of this game and baseball on the other console. Just think of how long Xbox users have been waiting for this game. It’s crazy.
    That's cool and all that they brought the game over to Xbox when the MLB forced them to. That doesn't add anything new to the game that gives current 20 players any reason to buy the new game which is my argument. Each new addition should be improved enough to give you a reason to buy the new game. For existing players who play franchise mode and don't care about the stadium creator, what was done this year to give them a reason to upgrade? That's all I am saying, the people like that have a right to be disappointed and shouldn't receive flak for being disappointed because they have a perfectly rational reason to be disappointed.
    Again, we can acknowledge that it is a good move to have the game on Xbox and that that took lots of work more than likely. At the end of the day we are consumers and them moving to Xbox doesn't add anything to the game that would make existing users have a reason to buy the new version.
    It's like how people can say that SDS is building for the future in franchise mode. I hope they are. That doesn't change that they didn't really do anything to the mode this year to give a franchise user a reason to upgrade. If it pays off in the future and the mode sees improvement then in those years you'll have a reason to upgrade, but this year when the mode's biggest addition was a new depth chart the franchise crowd has a reason to express disappointment.
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    I don't think it was a bad stream. I would have liked to see some focus on these presentation changes they talked about.
    I am ok with stadium creator but am more excited about the 30 generic stadiums they put in. I don't want to build new stadiums but now I can replace some. Plan on using the premade template stadiums to replace TOR, TB, OAK, and maybe a few in the NL as well though that depends on what I do franchise plan wise with an NL team.
    I will wait to judge the true next gen feel myself as it will look and feel different with a controller in my hand.

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