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Madden NFL 22 Scouting Update Pushed to Mid-October - More Details Revealed

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Madden NFL 22 Scouting Update Pushed to Mid-October - More Details Revealed

EA has provided more details for the upcoming Madden NFL 22 scouting update, which has been pushed to mid-October, after mentions of a September release. The team needs more time to test it prior to release.

Here are some of the updates that are scheduled to arrive.

  • A full scouting department
  • In-depth scouting reports including player physicals, traits, and ratings
  • News content that will move players up or down the media big board, impacting draft stock
  • Mock drafts providing a snapshot of who teams are interested in throughout the season

As a reminder, users will need to restart their franchise after the update arrives. Check out the screenshots below, along with the official Gridiron Notes for all the details.

 

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  1. Delayed predictably til October but I was the uneasy one for not having faith in EA to hit their September target when it was silence since July.
    "Mid" October. So anything from the 10th to the 23rd. Loving the game so far this year, but honestly this is knock against them. I feel bad for all the online franchise players who were patiently waiting on the promise of "September" from EA. Every week that goes by hurts those online franchises.
    Retropyro
    "Mid" October. So anything from the 10th to the 23rd. Loving the game so far this year, but honestly this is knock against them. I feel bad for all the online franchise players who were patiently waiting on the promise of "September" from EA. Every week that goes by hurts those online franchises.

    They always said TARGETING September, never a promise. It'll likely be a more polished and finished product instead of a buggy mess. I'll gladly take the former any day.
    ScudDawg
    This is ridiculous, why even release the game without the biggest and most needed feature?

    Because the NFL literally requires them to release it at a certain time to increase interest in the NFL?
    ScudDawg
    This is ridiculous, why even release the game without the biggest and most needed feature?

    We both know Madden not releasing in August was never an option for EA and to suggest that the NFL would have allowed Tiburon to delay the game is ridiculous.
    Yeah October does suck as far as the time we have to wait but the biggest takeaway for me is that this looks like something we used to have in the past with the player profiles, and that stuff so I'm very happy about that. I'd rather them take the time to get it right versus rush it out and have to fix more things down the road.
    I know there's people who are going to disagree with that but it is what it is and all we can do is hope it delivers. Twitter is probably going crazy with posts like "I told you EA couldn't get it done in time" and things like that. Guess I'm staying off Twitter to let them all yell and be angry about it
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    Kodii Rockets
    As a commish that's been holding off on starting because of this update, I am truly floored by this.
    I genuinely have no words. Wow.
    On the brightside, we don't have to use my suggestion of having a "classic" save for the old scouting system. Looks like EA will give you the option when you make the franchise
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    dh13king
    They always said TARGETING September, never a promise. It'll likely be a more polished and finished product instead of a buggy mess. I'll gladly take the former any day.

    I will take you having a polished product when you actually release the game. What's so wrong about that. They make huge profit so if they wanted to they can use the resources needed to make it happen. This is pathetic and definitely not fair to consumers. Especially this was my huge reason to buy. That and franchise and the franchise still has the bugs and still not right and the game been out for a month
    coachlem
    I will take you having a polished product when you actually release the game. What's so wrong about that. They make huge profit so if they wanted to they can use the resources needed to make it happen. This is pathetic and definitely not fair to consumers. Especially this was my huge reason to buy. That and franchise and the franchise still has the bugs and still not right and the game been out for a month
    Yeah, people need to stop acting like EA and the god damn NFL are mom and pop companies just trying to do their best lol
    They have the resources, they have the budget... why are they failing short on what looks to be an easy goal of theirs? It's not like this scouting update is bringing in text sim types of depth, here
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    I hope everyone realizes where this is going. "Targeting mid October" is going go mean a Thanksgiving release at best. Is what it is. I probably will just wait, Madden has gotten so stale that maybe it's what I need for a rejuvenation period. Still have a big backlog of games to get through.
    JazzMan
    Yeah, people need to stop acting like EA and the god damn NFL are mom and pop companies just trying to do their best lol
    They have the resources, they have the budget... why are they failing short on what looks to be an easy goal of theirs? It's not like this scouting update is bringing in text sim types of depth, here
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    Look at the Activision/Blizzard ****show with how they treat their devs. It's possible that they still needed extra time to polish the scouting update even with all of the resources they can afford.
    JazzMan
    Yeah, people need to stop acting like EA and the god damn NFL are mom and pop companies just trying to do their best lol
    They have the resources, they have the budget... why are they failing short on what looks to be an easy goal of theirs? It's not like this scouting update is bringing in text sim types of depth, here
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    Bingo, they are netting huge profits. And I can't even have a game ready for football season. And they CHOOSE not to have the game ready at launch. They could spend the extra money to get it right but they don't feel like that's so important
    dh13king
    Look at the Activision/Blizzard ****show with how they treat their devs. It's possible that they still needed extra time to polish the scouting update even with all of the resources they can afford.
    Then next time, don't announce the feature before launch
    They knew what they were doing. Guys won't start their leagues if the update wasn't ready. That's close to 32 people each league. Some of those guys are going to pass time by playing their money modes. I tried saying this the last time we were getting antsy on here about the update and ya'll shut it down lol
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    dh13king
    Look at the Activision/Blizzard ****show with how they treat their devs. It's possible that they still needed extra time to polish the scouting update even with all of the resources they can afford.

    Use the extra time then. You have a whole year. If they don't, hire more people. You have the money. Again this is a choice. I can't even enjoy the full game until mid October. 2 MONTHS after release. That's crazy
    JimmyK
    I hope everyone realizes where this is going. "Targeting mid October" is going go mean a Thanksgiving release at best. Is what it is. I probably will just wait, Madden has gotten so stale that maybe it's what I need for a rejuvenation period. Still have a big backlog of games to get through.
    Ya, ive already shelved madden after the 1st week. Im still getting a lot out of the show and im looking at nba 2k. I havent bought 2k since 16 but it looks good this year on ps5.
    Im not feeling that itch anymore to play madden like i did before. Sad to say but ea has killed my passion for the video game. Im not sure where i stand with madden and ea anymore. Its becoming too frustrating to be a madden fan. The let downs are legit
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    Damn...wWell I guess I'll just start my Steelers franchise, and then wherever this comes out start over with a proper rebuild.... Not the end of the world I guess, I usually end up restarting a franchise anyway.
    JazzMan
    Then next time, don't announce the feature before launch
    They knew what they were doing. Guys won't start their leagues if the update wasn't ready. That's close to 32 people each league. Some of those guys are going to pass time by playing their money modes. I tried saying this the last time we were getting antsy on here about the update and ya'll shut it down lol
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    Is it not possible that they truly wanted to get it out in September and were transparent about that from the beginning and then it had to be pushed because of some issues? I don't think they're purposefully holding off to get people into MUT. Franchise people don't play MUT - I'm having a lot of fun testing out things in franchise while waiting for the update.
    JimmyK
    I hope everyone realizes where this is going. "Targeting mid October" is going go mean a Thanksgiving release at best. Is what it is. I probably will just wait, Madden has gotten so stale that maybe it's what I need for a rejuvenation period. Still have a big backlog of games to get through.

    Did you read the article? They said it's coming out October. Not targeting October, but October.
    JimmyK
    I hope everyone realizes where this is going. "Targeting mid October" is going go mean a Thanksgiving release at best. Is what it is. I probably will just wait, Madden has gotten so stale that maybe it's what I need for a rejuvenation period. Still have a big backlog of games to get through.

    We are taking the time to ensure scouting is polished with some additional testing and scouting will be available to all players as part of a Title Update coming in mid-October.

    Where does it say targeting?
    If EA truly wants Franchise mode to work as a live service - and they should want that, it will work better for everyone - the practice of releasing updates which require restarts for Franchise users to enjoy the new content absolutely has to stop.
    In two calendar years across three games we’ve now seen two major post-launch updates to Franchise mode which required users to abandon their player development and draft classes to use new features - first the addition of many new Superstar X-Factor abilities and offensive linemen Superstar abilities in Madden 20, and now this scouting update. Both updates required users to restart their leagues to use.
    It doesn’t speak well to the ability of EA to deliver on their goal of making Franchise mode a live service if my progress in the mode is at risk of being lost with each new fun feature they build and deliver.
    Let me be clear - the actual content of the scouting update looks great. It is a significant value add for Franchise mode. But it absolutely should have been built to be seamlessly compatible with franchises started when we all bought the game. That EA continues to require Franchise users to abandon their game progress is simply unacceptable for a live service video game. I cannot think of a single other live service game that works like this.
    lilrosati56
    Damn...wWell I guess I'll just start my Steelers franchise, and then wherever this comes out start over with a proper rebuild.... Not the end of the world I guess, I usually end up restarting a franchise anyway.

    Yeah, I'm disappointed it's delayed but I don't feel like waiting any longer to kick my franchise off. My first franchise save is usually trial and error anyways.
    JazzMan
    Then next time, don't announce the feature before launch
    They knew what they were doing. Guys won't start their leagues if the update wasn't ready. That's close to 32 people each league. Some of those guys are going to pass time by playing their money modes. I tried saying this the last time we were getting antsy on here about the update and ya'll shut it down lol
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    So lay out exactly what you think is happening here. The update is done, and EA is holding it back to get people onto MUT? Or...?
    SmashMan
    So lay out exactly what you think is happening here. The update is done, and EA is holding it back to get people onto MUT? Or...?

    I don't think he realizes most diehard Franchise players don't touch MUT at all
    I do feel bad for owners of large leagues that were waiting to start today.
    I do recall the executive that announced scouting feature mentioned they were
    going to wait and put it in for 23, but they decided to cram it in for 22.
    SmashMan
    So lay out exactly what you think is happening here. The update is done, and EA is holding it back to get people onto MUT? Or...?
    I genuinely don't think the update is ready. But, they knew it wasn't going to be ready. Way back when they announced it they knew. They just didn't care and announced it anyway because they know leagues won't start until the update is out. EA is edging us lol. I'm not a MUT guy, most franchise guys aren't, but I'm willing to bet that some guys have been funneled into that mode since the game launched, which is exactly what EA wants because the more money spent in MUT, the happier the NFL is without much effort
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    THis is probably my last year on Madden. It's year after year of this garbage, having to wait 2 months after release is unacceptable. The sob video of "we value our franchise base" was a load of crap.
    dh13king
    I don't think he realizes most diehard Franchise players don't touch MUT at all
    It's not black and white. For every diehard franchise only guy like us, you have another guy who joins online leagues because they like the sim competition, but they also dabble in MUT modes because they're quick and easy and don't require much effort or thought
    Just because you don't play MUT or aren't enticed to play it, doesn't mean that other franchise guys don't dabble in it or are enticed to play it during this downtime as we wait
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    JazzMan
    I genuinely don't think the update is ready. But, they knew it wasn't going to be ready. Way back when they announced it they knew. They just didn't care and announced it anyway because they know leagues won't start until the update is out. EA is edging us lol. I'm not a MUT guy, most franchise guys aren't, but I'm willing to bet that some guys have been funneled into that mode since the game launched, which is exactly what EA wants because the more money spent in MUT, the happier the NFL is without much effort
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    They wouldn't have announced "Targeting September" if they didn't want it out in September. They're well aware of the backlash they would receive if they were actually being deceptive.
    First things first, I'm kinda disappointed that the draft profile is just letter grades. Was hoping for a more robust system where we get an actual report but it's clearly better than the system we have now so it's all good.
    Second, one of the benefits of a live service is that things that aren't ready don't get put in. Madden launched with so many franchise bugs, and some are still there, but that's the result of having a hard deadline. So it's frustrating that we're not getting it this month but if that means we get a more polished release I'm all for it.
    It's a little funny when people get mad that Madden releases with all those bugs but then also get upset that a feature gets delayed because it's not ready yet.
    Hopefully though with the extra time maybe they'll find a way to make it work with existing franchises.
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    dh13king
    They wouldn't have announced "Targeting September" if they didn't want it out in September. They're well aware of the backlash they would receive if they were actually being deceptive.
    They literally said they wanted it to be a M23 feature but that they were cramming it in as an update. September was an absolute pipedream. So why say it?
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    oneamongthefence
    It's a little funny when people get mad that Madden releases with all those bugs but then also get upset that a feature gets delayed because it's not ready yet.

    Delays are fine and understandable. **** happens and software is made by imperfect humans, I get it.
    What is unacceptable is the combination of a delay of the update and the forced restart in order to use the new content.
    Why should I bother playing Madden Franchise right now in September if I’m going to lose all my progress when the new feature comes out? And since EA now has a track record of forcing Franchise players into this cadence of forced restarts, what is to say they won’t release another update which will require a restart again?
    Again. If EA really wants Madden Franchise mode to be a live service - they should want that, and I want them to want that - then the practice of forced restarts must end now.
    Or maybe back in June they thought it was a attainable goal and discovered down the road that the project will be delayed a bit.
    Every company that I have worked at has some projects that go beyond the due date and the customer is contacted about a new due date and the customer in most cases appreciates the transparency.
    Edit to CM- I agree and get it about restarting FM. That would be a corker, especially with owners with large leagues. Personally, on my end, I am not in leagues, just play the cpu so I can continue to practice within my own little world.
    oneamongthefence
    First things first, I'm kinda disappointed that the draft profile is just letter grades. Was hoping for a more robust system where we get an actual report but it's clearly better than the system we have now so it's all good.
    Second, one of the benefits of a live service is that things that aren't ready don't get put in. Madden launched with so many franchise bugs, and some are still there, but that's the result of having a hard deadline. So it's frustrating that we're not getting it this month but if that means we get a more polished release I'm all for it.
    It's a little funny when people get mad that Madden releases with all those bugs but then also get upset that a feature gets delayed because it's not ready yet.
    Hopefully though with the extra time maybe they'll find a way to make it work with existing franchises.
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    The scouting reports tab has player notes, which is great, and although some people would like there to only be notes, they are never going to not make some actual grades available.
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    CM Hooe
    If EA truly wants Franchise mode to work as a live service - and they should want that, it will work better for everyone - the practice of releasing updates which require restarts for Franchise users to enjoy the new content absolutely has to stop.
    In two calendar years across three games we’ve now seen two major post-launch updates to Franchise mode which required users to abandon their player development and draft classes to use new features - first the addition of many new Superstar X-Factor abilities and offensive linemen Superstar abilities in Madden 20, and now this scouting update. Both updates required users to restart their leagues to use.
    It doesn’t speak well to the ability of EA to deliver on their goal of making Franchise mode a live service if my progress in the mode is at risk of being lost with each new fun feature they build and deliver.
    Let me be clear - the actual content of the scouting update looks great. It is a significant value add for Franchise mode. But it absolutely should have been built to be seamlessly compatible with franchises started when we all bought the game. That EA continues to require Franchise users to abandon their game progress is simply unacceptable for a live service video game. I cannot think of a single other live service game that works like this.

    This x 1000.
    Again, if there was an option that even if we had to finish our our current CFM season and the update would be available to us the following year, that would be acceptable, not optimal, but acceptable.
    But to have to re-start every CFM once the new shiny thing comes out is a practice that needs to be stopped.
    I'm just venting at this point, and at the risk of sounding like another entitled gamer, there has to be a better way of finding a happy medium than this.
    jfsolo
    I do agree, but that an October release date and a Franchise restart is a major L for team this year..
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    At least they were transparent from the start saying it would require a restart. But definitely agree they need to figure out a way to add features in without needing to restart
    JazzMan
    They literally said they wanted it to be a M23 feature but that they were cramming it in as an update. September was an absolute pipedream. So why say it?
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    They said it because they know people will buy the game early if they think a massive update is coming right away. Just look at threads even here at OS, EA saying "targeting September" seemed to mean September 1st for a lot of people. If they had said "huge franchise update coming in mid-October" or "coming later this year", then they take the risk of franchise guys (who were obviously a much larger group than they thought) waiting until October or November to buy the game.
    And if that happens, then you know what they don't get to be? The #1 selling game in August on release. Which they were. And they were #1 in at least some fashion because of franchise & its updates, in addition to the other modes.
    I'm not saying they deliberately misled how soon the update would come out, but if someone wants to ask "why say September if you know it's not ready", well there is the answer.
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    Well, on of the other options prior to grid iron notes was Madden 23.
    Madden 23 or October?
    Just am glad it doesn't affect me much, but do feel for others that it does affect.
    One must look at the entire overall picture.
    oneamongthefence
    First things first, I'm kinda disappointed that the draft profile is just letter grades. Was hoping for a more robust system where we get an actual report but it's clearly better than the system we have now so it's all good.
    Second, one of the benefits of a live service is that things that aren't ready don't get put in. Madden launched with so many franchise bugs, and some are still there, but that's the result of having a hard deadline. So it's frustrating that we're not getting it this month but if that means we get a more polished release I'm all for it.
    It's a little funny when people get mad that Madden releases with all those bugs but then also get upset that a feature gets delayed because it's not ready yet.
    Hopefully though with the extra time maybe they'll find a way to make it work with existing franchises.
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    If they could work this in i wouldn't even care about the delay. As it stands now, EA failed us miserably.
    This is a MAJOR letdown. Honestly, it's pathetic.
    They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this, and now that they blew the September deadline, hopefully the pitch forks will be coming for them.
    i'm at a total loss.
    I am also in agreement that they should try to find a way to make sure these updates don't cause restarts of existing content. As a Destiny player I would be high key upset if every time a new expansion came out I had to play the base game all over again just to get to the new stuff. That's a totally different thing than sunsetting gear which I'm still all for in Destiny btw and I hope it makes a return when they can get it how they want it.
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    therealsmallville
    They said it because they know people will buy the game early if they think a massive update is coming right away. Just look at threads even here at OS, EA saying "targeting September" seemed to mean September 1st for a lot of people. If they had said "huge franchise update coming in mid-October" or "coming later this year", then they take the risk of franchise guys (who were obviously a much larger group than they thought) waiting until October or November to buy the game.
    And if that happens, then you know what they don't get to be? The #1 selling game in August on release. Which they were. And they were #1 in at least some fashion because of franchise & its updates, in addition to the other modes.
    I'm not saying they deliberately misled how soon the update would come out, but if someone wants to ask "why say September if you know it's not ready", well there is the answer.
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    Completely off topic, but when on earth did you start using punctuation and paragraphs!?!?! Hallelujah! Looks good on you bro bro
    EDIT: False alarm, wrong Smallville, our guy still types like a mumble rapper
    therealsmallville
    They said it because they know people will buy the game early if they think a massive update is coming right away. Just look at threads even here at OS, EA saying "targeting September" seemed to mean September 1st for a lot of people. If they had said "huge franchise update coming in mid-October" or "coming later this year", then they take the risk of franchise guys (who were obviously a much larger group than they thought) waiting until October or November to buy the game.
    And if that happens, then you know what they don't get to be? The #1 selling game in August on release. Which they were. And they were #1 in at least some fashion because of franchise & its updates, in addition to the other modes.
    I'm not saying they deliberately misled how soon the update would come out, but if someone wants to ask "why say September if you know it's not ready", well there is the answer.
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    Now you see where I'm going with this!
    Guys wouldn't have bought the game if they didn't say September at the latest. Now that guys have purchased the game, they can get funneled into the money mode while they wait for the update, which also just got pushed back to October so hey better start MUT grinding son
    Like I said, the amount of franchise diehards that would play MUT is minimal. But, it's a gray area. Some guys enjoy H2H and online leagues, with online leagues being shelved while they wait for the update, you best believe they're checking out MUT and maybe dropping 10 or 20 bucks down for some packs
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    Scott
    My biggest question is if you use custom draft classes, do you still get mock drafts...
    Per Swami_EA
    Edit: I'm sorry. I miss read your question as his response doesn't specifically answer the mock draft question.
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    JazzMan
    Now you see where I'm going with this!
    Guys wouldn't have bought the game if they didn't say September at the latest. Now that guys have purchased the game, they can get funneled into the money mode while they wait for the update, which also just got pushed back to October so hey better start MUT grinding son
    Like I said, the amount of franchise diehards that would play MUT is minimal. But, it's a gray area. Some guys enjoy H2H and online leagues, with online leagues being shelved while they wait for the update, you best believe they're checking out MUT and maybe dropping 10 or 20 bucks down for some packs
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    Good logic lol - "I'm mad at EA for delaying the feature I bought the game for so let me give them more money in a mode that I don't like as much"
    dh13king
    Good logic lol - "I'm mad at EA for delaying the feature I bought the game for so let me give them more money in a mode that I don't like as much"

    I run a league filled with 32 and people are saying this. People will throw bad money after bad to justify the purchase.
    Kodii Rockets
    Completely off topic, but when on earth did you start using punctuation and paragraphs!?!?! Hallelujah! Looks good on you bro bro
    EDIT: False alarm, wrong Smallville, our guy still types like a mumble rapper

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I was like, "what the hell is he talking about?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I didn't even notice there was another Smallville around.
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    EA needs to learn business 101. Under promise & over deliver. They were just setting themselves up for disappointment by calling out a month in the first place. Like I said in a different thread I would never wait on EA, especially for new features. I won't even be surprised if it works like it should until next yr. Progressive fatigue is busted, what makes anyone think this will function correctly out of the gate? There is real expectations & than Madden expectations, big difference.
    Jeter2
    I run a league filled with 32 and people are saying this. People will throw bad money after bad to justify the purchase.

    I don't feel bad for anyone who puts money into MUT. There are still ways to enjoy franchise while waiting for scouting and I'd rather do that than waste money or time into MUT
    dh13king
    Did you read the article? They said it's coming out October. Not targeting October, but October.

    Forget what they said, I'm just saying apply some logic. They might want it to be done in October but this is just trying to keep people playing the game. They suckered me into buying early for the College mode only to find out it couldn't even be played offline. Just online games where people quit after 2 quarters and no credit for wins.
    You can stick to that October deadline and think it's a confirmation if you want, I'm being realistic. I don't think they are 3-4 weeks away and they would never tell us anyway.
    Quick question after reading the article.
    What do I (as a user) do to scout? Because it sounds like all we do is pick a position at the beginning and wait for things to unlock?
    They mention you're able to "set it and forget it". However, I'd like to know more about what we do to not forget it and interact with it.
    Right now it sounds like we won't really be doing much. Which is a HUGE worry for me.
    In one of the screen shots it showed the Weakest position as TE... But on the same page, it showed 0 Active SS.
    Sire you can make it make sense, but TE isn't even one of the top 3 Top Team Needs.
    In the blog they mention a player falling in the draft because of a low injury rating. Is injury rating actually important this year?
    And for all those people complaining about the delay or the state of the game at launch; don’t buy at launch. The game has problems for weeks after launch every year. Save yourself a few bucks by waiting a couple months. The game should also be in a much better state.
    Also, it really comes down to getting the scouting overhaul this year vs next by them doing things this way. If you say you’d prefer they wait until 23 to add it in then just means another feature for next year gets pushed to 24.
    Disappointing. But I’ll just say once the scouting update comes out it must work and it must have real depth and be good. If it launches as a buggy mess, breaks other features or is half baked they will deserve the backlash that will come their way. EA has to nail this feature. Perhaps this delay means they understand that.
    callmetaternuts
    Notice the timing of the news drop. Late Friday. Trying to bury it in the news cycle.
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    Well this is a common practice in business and government.
    And I haven't seen you on here in years. Maybe I just don't frequent the forums you do.
    stank
    Quick question after reading the article.
    What do I (as a user) do to scout? Because it sounds like all we do is pick a position at the beginning and wait for things to unlock?
    They mention you're able to "set it and forget it". However, I'd like to know more about what we do to not forget it and interact with it.
    Right now it sounds like we won't really be doing much. Which is a HUGE worry for me.

    Yeah, I’m worried too that you are mostly able to scout for positions that will fill eventual needs. I like to scout all positions during the year and pick promising prospects in later rounds that I don’t necessarily need right away or will become trade objects a few seasons in.
    Disappointing but 100% expected. They are trying but need to stop making promises.
    Also, please stop with the ea conspiracy theories. They are not trying to screw you. That’s not how it works.
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    ScudDawg
    This is ridiculous, why even release the game without the biggest and most needed feature?

    $$$$
    That said…
    What they put in the game this year is three years worth of stuff. Hence the bugs and delays.
    ChicagoChris
    Disappointing but 100% expected. They are trying but need to stop making promises.
    Also, please stop with the ea conspiracy theories. They are not trying to screw you. That’s not how it works.
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    It will never stop, besides the folks who are anti EA on principle, when folks are pissed about something a company fumbled the ball on they'll say all kinds of tin foil hat stuff.
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    C the Lyte
    Dammit. I was really looking forward to starting my main franchise. I hate all these delays. But it's industry trend I guess.
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    This is why I waited. Given that it's one more month, maybe I'll buy it and start one for a month or so. That would allow me to at least learn how the coaching stuff works (I ignored it in the beta).
    Steve_OS

    EA has provided more details for the upcoming Madden NFL 22 scouting update, which has been...
    Written By: Steve Noah
    Click here to view the article.

    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    Lost in the anger here is a lot of AWESOME stuff coming. I am EXCITED, not angry.
    *Knowing the positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft class is AMAZING. This is such a huge thing. That checks off one thing on my scouting wish list.
    (I mean, there are still letter grades, but we have notes!)
    Best Franchise update in twenty years.
    That's it. This is — without even playing it except the beta and for the 10 hour window — the best Madden since Madden 05. All of you haters stay mad. This is the best update I've seen. And mind you, I've been banned several times for criticizing the game too harshly. I'm OVER THE MOON at this.
    I stopped reading half way through the article. Not even done, and I KNOW I am going to absolutely LOVE this. Yeah, sucks it's coming out in October, but this is LITERALLY EVERYTHING I WANTED FROM FRANCHISE.
    Man. So freaking happy. :drink:
    This is by far the earliest Madden has ever had a feature reveal, especially for franchise. Super excited for Madden 23!
    Glad we started our CFM on Day 1 and that I kept emphasizing "Treat this CFM like it's your only one, just in case."
    Mike Lowe
    This is by far the earliest Madden has ever had a feature reveal, especially for franchise. Super excited for Madden 23!
    Glad we started our CFM on Day 1 and that I kept emphasizing "Treat this CFM like it's your only one, just in case."

    I was under the impression this is coming out in a month, not with Madden 23.
    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    "Back at EA Play Live, our team previewed the new scouting feature coming to Madden NFL 22 Franchise"
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    I was under the impression this is coming out in a month, not with Madden 23.
    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    "Back at EA Play Live, our team previewed the new scouting feature coming to Madden NFL 22 Franchise"

    It is. He's being a troll about it.
    By his comment, I would expect him to not download the update since October isn't good enough for him.
    I get people are upset. And have a right to be. But it was just a troll comment that added no substance.
    dh13king
    I don't feel bad for anyone who puts money into MUT. There are still ways to enjoy franchise while waiting for scouting and I'd rather do that than waste money or time into MUT

    Not with the stats not being real. Kills the experience for me. Progressive fatigue not working either. A whole month in and the very mode they advertised barely works. Unbelievable
    mtmetcalfe
    In the blog they mention a player falling in the draft because of a low injury rating. Is injury rating actually important this year?
    And for all those people complaining about the delay or the state of the game at launch; don’t buy at launch. The game has problems for weeks after launch every year. Save yourself a few bucks by waiting a couple months. The game should also be in a much better state.
    Also, it really comes down to getting the scouting overhaul this year vs next by them doing things this way. If you say you’d prefer they wait until 23 to add it in then just means another feature for next year gets pushed to 24.

    No stats, but a personal feeling is that it does not matter. I had two O linemen that would get injured every other game for just a few plays and they still had a 91 injury and green on the health. I thought it would be lower.
    ChicagoChris
    Disappointing but 100% expected. They are trying but need to stop making promises.
    Also, please stop with the ea conspiracy theories. They are not trying to screw you. That’s not how it works.
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    I know they make huge profits each year. Enough to hire the dev and put the resources in to give me a game READY AT LAUNCH. One month and can't even play the mode they advertised. One whole month and now one of the biggest features won't be ready until two months in. Wow. Halfway through football season. And they have no consequence.
    PVarck31
    It is. He's being a troll about it.
    By his comment, I would expect him to not download the update since October isn't good enough for him.
    I get people are upset. And have a right to be. But it was just a troll comment that added no substance.

    Given the EXTREMELY HIGH QUALITY of this update, "Troll" isn't a sufficient name. The correct term for someone like that is dumb bass. (the b in the second word is silent)
    coachlem
    I know they make huge profits each year. Enough to hire the dev and put the resources in to give me a game READY AT LAUNCH. One month and can't even play the mode they advertised. One whole month and now one of the biggest features won't be ready until two months in. Wow. Halfway through football season. And they have no consequence.

    This feature is largely the work of one guy (one of us on Operation Sports, by the way). How do I know this? Because this scouting update is almost a one to one representation of his Madden wishlists that he used to upload onto YouTube before he got hired by EA.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nriQyWzNRdE
    In light of that, I can deal with the update coming in October. If more than one guy had that much influence on it, it would have sucked ***. Because this is mostly the vision of one guy, it looks fantastic. But that slows it down. I'd prefer delayed quality over rushed horse ****.
    coachlem
    I know they make huge profits each year. Enough to hire the dev and put the resources in to give me a game READY AT LAUNCH. One month and can't even play the mode they advertised. One whole month and now one of the biggest features won't be ready until two months in. Wow. Halfway through football season. And they have no consequence.

    Don’t buy the game. I didn’t. Waiting to read about this patch. I can wait a few more weeks.
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    convince
    Shocker..

    Now read this and wipe that frown off your face.
    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    It might be delayed, but man, what a hell of an update. Quite glad I waited to buy it. It's going to be such a MASSIVE upgrade for me, and I won't have to deal with all the bugs and frustration you guys did. Not to mention, as I've said like five times today, this is literally everything I wanted out of scouting. So super stoked. Stay mad though. :bump:
    ChicagoChris
    Don’t buy the game. I didn’t. Waiting to read about this patch. I can wait a few more weeks.
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    This coming update has turned me from a sourpuss complainer to an evangelical. This is exactly what I wanted. Man. Sucks it's October, but I'm glad I waited.
    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    Yeah, it's delayed again, but man, what an update.
    :drink:
    PVarck31
    It is. He's being a troll about it.
    By his comment, I would expect him to not download the update since October isn't good enough for him.
    I get people are upset. And have a right to be. But it was just a troll comment that added no substance.

    Nah man I was just making a joke. I actually like Madden and have the past few years especially. Is it perfect? Nope, but it's just a game and gets me an NFL fix.
    I am bummed though for the people who are stuck in that weird limbo of "Do I start or don't I?" mode.
    I reread the scouting blog again and the set and quit line stuck with me even more the second time around. They said something similar when describing the amount of investment the user needs to put into these systems. Basically you are not penalized for going auto pilot? So that being said, is there any benefit for spending time in these systems over another player that just simply ignores them??
    while understandable they want to launch it without as many errors as possible, it's the buyers remorse that sets in for people who purchased early on. I know I regret buying the deluxe (or whatever it was called) edition for $99. Did I need to? no. Have I enjoyed the few games I've played in the last month, sure, but as a franchise only player, I've been waiting to start (who wants to restart? I don't personally) and only have maybe 6 hours total in the game (not a fan of exhibition games). By the time it rolls around, we'll be what? week 6 or so of the season? I may not even play the game at this point which is a total bummer. My 2 cents, I hope those that are waiting get a feature that they love and adds depth to the experience.
    I am really disappointed in EA. They said it would be available in September. I get things happen. However, it isn't like they are awaiting inventory, parts, or components to meet the date they set forth. It comes down to manpower. Work overtime, apply resources from other departments, hire additional staff or what it takes.
    And to make it worse they wait until 9/17 to announce it now delayed until mid October.
    Online franchise players are already waiting in many leagues. Offline players may be waiting. And with one delay already, how do we know another promise "deadline" about to be broken. Are we going to get an Gridiron Note on 10/13 telling us more about it in their mid November release?
    I just find this very poor business practice. I'm not usually one to complain. I enjoy Madden. But I find the delay to be very disappointing and also very poor form from the company.
    There aren't many businesses that could get away with a month delay, not mention it until near expected completion, and not provide any remedy or compensation to their customers. Especially for a product already paid for by many of their customers.
    I have literally nothing constructive to say.
    I hope for their sake when its released there aren't a slew of bigs as per usual by the Madden team. This is turning into a joke. By the time we start our keeper franchises, Madden 23 will be available. (I say that in jest, but you get the point.)
    Absolutely disappointed once again by EA.
    Not gonna lie, it's pretty hilarious that topic after topic of people nervous or anxious about the update coming out in September being shot down and told to wait patiently that it's anyone's guess as to when in October we actually see it.
    Past that, I like what they showed in the deep dive. Feels slightly plagued by the overall Madden-ness of "will probably become stale and boring after doing it a few times" and I would bet that it'll be too easy to have your scouts advance quickly but it is world's better than the three button mashes and done we have now.
    Fluidity of the draft class through the season hopefully pans out well, that aspect of scouting has never been represented well in Madden.
    It's a great starting point for a revamped scouting system, that's for sure.
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    This coming update has turned me from a sourpuss complainer to an evangelical. This is exactly what I wanted. Man. Sucks it's October, but I'm glad I waited.
    https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/madden-nfl-22/news/gridiron-notes-madden-22-scouting-update-deep-dive
    Yeah, it's delayed again, but man, what an update.
    :drink:

    For a lot people their anger about the delay made the content of the update irrelevant, but I feel how you feel about it.
    jfsolo
    For a lot people their anger about the delay made the content of the update irrelevant, but I feel how you feel about it.

    I mean, no way everyone will feel the same, but for me, I’ve been waiting to buy it with the HOPE that the scouting update was going to bring HALF of what it actually will. For the first time ever, Madden will exceed my expectations, because the first time I play it in earnest it will feel like a completely new game due to this update.
    I have skipped all the bugs as a nice bonus.
    But yeah, I get the anger. But what I don’t get is that people don’t seem to realize the single greatest update to Madden since the invention of Franchise mode way back in 99 is about to hit the game in October. And I don’t feel that is hyperbole.
    So reading that article about Scouting and what not....
    Do we have confirmation that it was a human player selecting the QB with that pick for the Lions, or was it an automatic CPU selection? If it was the CPU then yikes the draft and need logic is still absolutely garbage, when you see the Lions had no SS, and had 2 other position groups with a lower overall rating than their QB Room.
    L_O_B_27
    So reading that article about Scouting and what not....
    Do we have confirmation that it was a human player selecting the QB with that pick for the Lions, or was it an automatic CPU selection? If it was the CPU then yikes the draft and need logic is still absolutely garbage, when you see the Lions had no SS, and had 2 other position groups with a lower overall rating than their QB Room.

    The Lions also took a LT #2 overall with Decker and Sewell assumingly on the roster. I saw that too and was hoping that it was just a quick user run through to create the image etc.
    Well, that's why they used the phrase "targeted for September" since the beginning. It would be a little strange to release scouting when Progressive Fatigue is still so bugged out. I get the reasoning, it's a bummer, but it makes sense.
    I think it's a missed opportunity for them to sell copies though. When you get into middle of Oct./early Nov. you're now competing with FIFA, NHL, NBA, COD, then Battlefield, then Halo... In August/September there's nothing else to play.
    Hopefully it's done right. Progressive Fatigue had bugs in June that are still there in mid September so whatever bugs are in Scouting are likely not going to be fixed in the next month.
    L_O_B_27
    So reading that article about Scouting and what not....
    Do we have confirmation that it was a human player selecting the QB with that pick for the Lions, or was it an automatic CPU selection? If it was the CPU then yikes the draft and need logic is still absolutely garbage, when you see the Lions had no SS, and had 2 other position groups with a lower overall rating than their QB Room.

    That's just not true. The Lions don't have a QB of the future and no respected GM is taking a SS or a Guard or even a Pass Rusher ahead of a franchise QB.
    Even though its coming out a month later. Hopefully? They did improve scouting. It's never been this deep and I don't even they showed everything. TBH.
    I was anticipating that this would drop with the next patch fixing progressive fatigue, equipment updates, and zone play. Wonder if the patch is still coming sooner, or if it will come bundled in with the scouting update as I originally thought?
    Jeter2
    THis is probably my last year on Madden. It's year after year of this garbage, having to wait 2 months after release is unacceptable. The sob video of "we value our franchise base" was a load of crap.

    I'm with you on this. I feel like i've wasted my money because the only mode that i'm interested in is franchise. The last Madden that I've bought before this was madden 20. I skipped 21 because of the lack of franchise updates and it clearly seems that I should have done the same with 22.
    kingsofthevalley
    I was anticipating that this would drop with the next patch fixing progressive fatigue, equipment updates, and zone play. Wonder if the patch is still coming sooner, or if it will come bundled in with the scouting update as I originally thought?

    If we have to wait until mid October for progressive fatigue to get fixed... I'm gonna assume that they won't do that but man that would get me pretty upset. It's bad enough that they're touting it as this big addition to franchise in that scouting blog when the feature is unusable until they patch it.
    Damn, I found a place I could get my hands on a series s and was going to grab one tomorrow thinking I’d have the scouting update in a week or so. I guess I’ll pass on the series s for now, I don’t really do anything but franchise in Madden and I don’t want to restart
    EA fails again. But those of us that bought the game should have known better. EA releases an incomplete game, sells the idea it will be complete in around a month. Then of course they delay it. It is a crying shame the NFL doesn't care and will allow them to be the only game in town. #NFLdropEA should start trending again.
    NG Folk must remember we got a “Port Over” not a clean Madden build.
    As with the Halftime Adjustment they just removed, I wouldn’t count out that all of the “old code issues” from last Gen, is causing issue on NG because they couldn’t slice out the old code problems that came with the Port Over.
    The game is falling apart at the seams.
    I thank them though because these release issues and the Scouting delay pushed me to invest in other sports titles that I otherwise wouldn’t have, and I’m loving every minute of their experience.
    Haven’t had the urge to even play Madden TBH.
    Guess I’ve reached my end with them now, and that’s ok TBH.
    I know ppl are praising EA for doing scouting for Madden, but I believe the bigger picture is to lay the ground work for EA College Football...might actually be a cut & paste feature along with the coaching staff......Looking forward to the update when it ever comes. Progressive fatigue great idea, but poor AI coding. Scouting great idea, but we'll see.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    That's just not true. The Lions don't have a QB of the future and no respected GM is taking a SS or a Guard or even a Pass Rusher ahead of a franchise QB.

    I agree that a Guard or SS would never ever go #1 overall over a Franchise QB. But, Edge Rusher could be a #1 pick. Look at the 2017 NFL Draft, Myles Garrett went #1 overall, Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson were still on the board at the time.
    thescoop
    EA fails again. But those of us that bought the game should have known better. EA releases an incomplete game, sells the idea it will be complete in around a month. Then of course they delay it. It is a crying shame the NFL doesn't care and will allow them to be the only game in town. #NFLdropEA should start trending again.

    This is a direct reflection of how the NFL feels about its fans (and players) at this point. They work OVERTIME to promote their product while attempting to turn a blind eye to this hot garbage!? Even IF the game was playable which is to say there were "barley" any more issues at this point would be one thing... BUT I have said this time and time again "DON'T BUY THE GAME!" IF there is NO demand then they have to fix it to move product...
    I have one question. If the Scouting update is now in October, what does that mean when it comes to the other Franchise Updates if anymore is coming? I've been curious to hear what is coming in the other updates if any at all, I guess November, December?
    Hate it for those who were waiting for the scouting update and now have to wait longer to start their Franchise.
    Not really surprised by this; once I heard that we would be getting an update about scouting after radio silence for 2 months, I knew a delay was coming. Whether this is truly the last delay or not is the question. We're all better off with EA taking more time to polish up scouting (still not a good look though).
    Going forward, I'm going to start buying these games when they are ready to be played as intended and not when it initially releases. The constant bugs and "fix as we go" mantra warrants this. If the game doesn't warrant a purchase, you shouldn't buy it and just wait for the game to become functional. EA may change their tune if people don't buy the game right off the bat (MUT guys will buy the game, ultimate edition on release day no questions asked).
    The update itself looks pretty good and I can't wait to try it at some point. I'm going to start my first long term franchise ASAP.
    Mike shared this on twitter. With everyone talking about waiting to start their franchises... what are you actually waiting for?
    It's worth noting that in this simulation the QB prospects still seem terrible. The "reworked draft classes" and the "cpu draft tuning" don't seem to have done anything. If the CPU can't draft and if there's not 1-4 QB's in the first round of every draft then we're just not simulating real life NFL and the human teams are going to be far better than the CPU teams after a couple years.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Mike shared this on twitter. With everyone talking about waiting to start their franchises... what are you actually waiting for?
    It's worth noting that in this simulation the QB prospects still seem terrible. The "reworked draft classes" and the "cpu draft tuning" don't seem to have done anything. If the CPU can't draft and if there's not 1-4 QB's in the first round of every draft then we're just not simulating real life NFL and the human teams are going to be far better than the CPU teams after a couple years.

    lol that's funny. At least some of you can actually play the game. I got tired of after playing a game it not letting me get back to the hub to save my progress. So I moved on.
    I'm glad I don't take video games so serious so I don't get so riled up lol.
    reyes the roof
    Damn, I found a place I could get my hands on a series s and was going to grab one tomorrow thinking I’d have the scouting update in a week or so. I guess I’ll pass on the series s for now, I don’t really do anything but franchise in Madden and I don’t want to restart

    Get it now while you can. Those will probably be harder to find in a month or so.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Mike shared this on twitter. With everyone talking about waiting to start their franchises... what are you actually waiting for?
    It's worth noting that in this simulation the QB prospects still seem terrible. The "reworked draft classes" and the "cpu draft tuning" don't seem to have done anything. If the CPU can't draft and if there's not 1-4 QB's in the first round of every draft then we're just not simulating real life NFL and the human teams are going to be far better than the CPU teams after a couple years.

    EDIT2 — Apparently he posts here. This is not acceptable from an OS member that has over 1000 twitter followers. But maybe he built his following like Ryan Moody. Whatever. If Mods don't like this they can delete it. I'm tired of these people attacking STRAW MAN DISINFORMATION that they create, instead of fairly criticizing the game itself. And I'm not some damned Madden Shill. I've been temporarily banned here several times for harshly criticizing the game, and in fact my handle is a juvenile lashing out at one of my earlier accounts being permabanned. Just look at the capital letters... So yeah, no, I'm no Madden shill or OS shill. But I'm just tired of this ****. Criticize the game for ACTUAL problems it has, instead of posting this disinformation bs like Mike Lowe did here.

    "Mike" is mistaken. That's one single page. There are so many new things added. This is so damned pathetic. I get being mad at the delay. But claiming almost nothing changed in this? THE ENTIRE MODE was gutted and replaced. Dude trying to act like nothing is new...
    Positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft (and this isn't USELESS, like that tart Mike claims, as it helps you plan whether or not to attack a position in free agency. Moreover, it's something real NFL teams are concerned about each and every year).
    Scouting notes (describing how a player plays in words — it adds both a fog of war dynamic as well as MUCH needed presentation)
    More information for select players
    A little bit of information for all players
    Regional scouts
    Not having to press a button 500 times every weak
    Dynamic news stories as the players succeed and fail
    Mock drafts
    Come on, Mike…
    Like seriously...

    Yeah, this is a harsh response to Mike the Twitter god, but it's deserved.
    EDIT — Yeah this pissed me off so much I created a twitter account to tell that guy he made a fool of himself. His reading comprehension must be really weak, because his little review is not only mistaken in several areas, but it ignores a great deal of things added with this update.
    Tweet in question:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ForUntoOblivion/status/1439214190489657346
    dh13king
    Did you read the article? They said it's coming out October. Not targeting October, but October.

    If it’s no confirmed date
    It’s a target
    PVarck31
    Well this is a common practice in business and government.
    And I haven't seen you on here in years. Maybe I just don't frequent the forums you do.

    You’re right, it is the way people typically bury unpopular news.
    I’m always lurking, just try not to post or get sucked into some of the nonsense.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    EDIT2 — Apparently he posts here. This is not acceptable from an OS member that has over 1000 twitter followers. But maybe he built his following like Ryan Moody. Whatever. If Mods don't like this they can delete it. I'm tired of these people attacking STRAW MAN DISINFORMATION that they create, instead of fairly criticizing the game itself. And I'm not some damned Madden Shill. I've been temporarily banned here several times for harshly criticizing the game, and in fact my handle is a juvenile lashing out at one of my earlier accounts being permabanned. Just look at the capital letters... So yeah, no, I'm no Madden shill or OS shill. But I'm just tired of this ****. Criticize the game for ACTUAL problems it has, instead of posting this disinformation bs like Mike Lowe did here.

    "Mike" is an idiot. That's one single page. There are so many new things added. This is so damned pathetic. I get being mad at the delay. But claiming almost nothing changed in this? THE ENTIRE MODE was gutted and replaced. Dude trying to act like nothing is new...
    Positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft (and this isn't USELESS, like that tart Mike claims, as it helps you plan whether or not to attack a position in free agency. Moreover, it's something real NFL teams are concerned about each and every year. What a total ****ing dunce this Mike guy is, seriously).
    Scouting notes (describing how a player plays in words — it adds both a fog of war dynamic as well as MUCH needed presentation)
    More information for select players
    A little bit of information for all players
    Regional scouts
    Not having to press a button 500 times every weak
    Dynamic news stories as the players succeed and fail
    Mock drafts
    Come on. Mike, whoever he is, needs to shut up. Also, you should follow people on twitter who AREN'T literally stupid.
    Like seriously...

    Yeah, this is a harsh response to Mike the Twitter god, but it's deserved. This guy is either extremely dumb or is a deceiving scumbag.
    EDIT — Yeah this pissed me off so much I created a twitter account to tell that guy he made a fool of himself. His reading comprehension must be really weak, because his little review is not only mistaken in several areas, but it ignores a great deal of things added with this update.
    Tweet in question: https://twitter.com/MikeLowe47/status/1438995773706813443

    LOL, you need to Chill. He's not Mike.
    Mike Lowe is the post with the Detroit Lions as his team and OS name says "Mike Lowe " he even put his Twitter handle on it. The one your describing.
    It's like 24 posts above this one. SMH
    Faikanese
    LOL, you need to Chill. He's not Mike.
    Mike Lowe is the post with the Detroit Lions as his team and OS name says "Mike Lowe " he even put his Twitter handle on it. The one your describing.
    It's like 24 posts above this one. SMH

    I specified that I was talking about Mike, who at the time I didn’t know was an OS member.
    ”NOTE: This post is directed toward Mike the twitter fellow you quoted, not you. Unless you're Mike and pretending to be someone else here on OS.”
    It was the first thing in my post.
    Regardless, his take is almost entirely mistaken.
    Guess I'll be going back to 2k22 until Mid October too then... We need that progressive fatigue fix and the scenario engine attributes applied to the CPU teams every week as if they were a Human user. I don't want to control all 32 teams when this scouting update comes out. It will defeat the purpose having scouting in a big way. Get those three things done and I'm back.
    This is my take on this entire thing.
    I feel bad for the devs on this one.
    They could have easily waited to put this in M23 (and maybe they should have)
    But they chose to work to get it in so we'd have it this year. And it ended up with more customer backlash.
    This will negatively affect both sides moving forward.
    I understand the fan frustration but I also understand how frustrating it must be on the dev side.
    Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    I specified that I was talking about Mike, who at the time I didn’t know was an OS member.
    ”NOTE: This post is directed toward Mike the twitter fellow you quoted, not you. Unless you're Mike and pretending to be someone else here on OS.”
    It was the first thing in my post.
    Regardless, his take is almost entirely mistaken.

    Mike is a MLB the Show guy. I've seen his sliders. I've played the show and I play NBA 2K.
    Not sure exactly. But, I think he just started on Madden.
    He's commented on my reddit and he had questions about the PS2 Maddens.
    I agree with you that scouting is the best we have ever had in Madden and it's now on par with NBA 2K22 and The show.
    It's still missing minor things like.
    Wonderlic Score
    High and Low Ceiling
    College Stats
    Player Comparison
    Injury History
    But, it's a big improvement. Worth the wait.
    Hopefully by Mid-October.
    Quentin32
    If it’s no confirmed date
    It’s a target

    They can't give a confirmed date because Microsoft and Sony need to approve of the patches. Saying that it's coming out in mid October means they know it'll be ready and the range of mid October will cover the extra time it would take the patch to be approved.
    XtremeDunkz
    This is my take on this entire thing.
    I feel bad for the devs on this one.
    They could have easily waited to put this in M23 (and maybe they should have)
    But they chose to work to get it in so we'd have it this year. And it ended up with more customer backlash.
    This will negatively affect both sides moving forward.
    I understand the fan frustration but I also understand how frustrating it must be on the dev side.
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    I want to add this comment and say developer burnout is real folks. I work in SAAS at a bank and I can tell you right now that designers and developers are viewed as dispensable people. No matter what the scope is, higher ups in the suits don’t care how much of a challenge it is to deliver something until it’s is broken right before it’s released. Gaming development cycles I would imagine are much worse than other industries due to the fact that sports games continue to use the yearly cycle. All of this leads to high developer turnover; new developers onboarding = prolonging the actual development work. I really hate to see developer slander on these forums and it makes me believe that none of you know the stress and timelines these folks are under. It’s not as simple as writing code. There’s so much that goes into it that some people on here wouldn’t want to understand.
    Sparkles
    I want to add this comment and say developer burnout is real folks. I work in SAAS at a bank and I can tell you right now that designers and developers are viewed as dispensable people. No matter what the scope is, higher ups in the suits don’t care how much of a challenge it is to deliver something until it’s is broken right before it’s released. Gaming development cycles I would imagine are much worse than other industries due to the fact that sports games continue to use the yearly cycle. All of this leads to high developer turnover; new developers onboarding = prolonging the actual development work. I really hate to see developer slander on these forums and it makes me believe that none of you know the stress and timelines these folks are under. It’s not as simple as writing code. There’s so much that goes into it that some people on here wouldn’t want to understand.

    Also important to add is that sports game devs don't get the luxury of delaying an entire game. Madden has to release in August every year.
    thudias
    Guess I'll be going back to 2k22 until Mid October too then... We need that progressive fatigue fix and the scenario engine attributes applied to the CPU teams every week as if they were a Human user. I don't want to control all 32 teams when this scouting update comes out. It will defeat the purpose having scouting in a big way. Get those three things done and I'm back.

    You do not have to scout for the other 31 teams nor draft for them….does not defeat the purpose at all.
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    I'll always be a proponent of game developers releasing full and bug free content, even if it means waiting.
    That is only 1 of the 2 issues here though.
    The first regarding the delay itself. Game development takes time, and sometimes the best plans just don't come to fruition. I would rather see a fully implemented feature with depth over seeing a rushed product that is filled with bugs or just incomplete.
    However, EA is also a victim of their own past sins here, and deservedly so. They opened themselves up to this kind of backlash when they left franchise untouched for years. Fair or unfair, you don't get to play victim when your attempt to throw a bone at a segment of your fanbase fails after you have ignored them for years.
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    EDIT2 — Apparently he posts here. This is not acceptable from an OS member that has over 1000 twitter followers. But maybe he built his following like Ryan Moody. Whatever. If Mods don't like this they can delete it. I'm tired of these people attacking STRAW MAN DISINFORMATION that they create, instead of fairly criticizing the game itself. And I'm not some damned Madden Shill. I've been temporarily banned here several times for harshly criticizing the game, and in fact my handle is a juvenile lashing out at one of my earlier accounts being permabanned. Just look at the capital letters... So yeah, no, I'm no Madden shill or OS shill. But I'm just tired of this ****. Criticize the game for ACTUAL problems it has, instead of posting this disinformation bs like Mike Lowe did here.

    "Mike" is mistaken. That's one single page. There are so many new things added. This is so damned pathetic. I get being mad at the delay. But claiming almost nothing changed in this? THE ENTIRE MODE was gutted and replaced. Dude trying to act like nothing is new...
    Positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft (and this isn't USELESS, like that tart Mike claims, as it helps you plan whether or not to attack a position in free agency. Moreover, it's something real NFL teams are concerned about each and every year).
    Scouting notes (describing how a player plays in words — it adds both a fog of war dynamic as well as MUCH needed presentation)
    More information for select players
    A little bit of information for all players
    Regional scouts
    Not having to press a button 500 times every weak
    Dynamic news stories as the players succeed and fail
    Mock drafts
    Come on, Mike…
    Like seriously...

    Yeah, this is a harsh response to Mike the Twitter god, but it's deserved.
    EDIT — Yeah this pissed me off so much I created a twitter account to tell that guy he made a fool of himself. His reading comprehension must be really weak, because his little review is not only mistaken in several areas, but it ignores a great deal of things added with this update.
    Tweet in question:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ForUntoOblivion/status/1439214190489657346
    Lol I see you're excited and I'm happy for you. I just have to point out that even though your bothered, you're wrong. The position needs is wrong unless a typing error for said team DET. The stories have always been under the draft tab for prospects, the scouting assignments are new, and we do get more letter grades for more positions. As far as an overhaul, I'm not sold.
    Like another poster said, is it touch and leave or will a user who scout's every week for info at the same advantage/level as one who sets an ignores? If team needs are wrong then will the mock draft be actually accurate enough to pay attention too or useless extra info? it's alot of question marks at this point but it is new paint for those just wanting to see something shiny.
    Love the fact that Duece is behind it but will wait for more come 23 than expecting this to blow me away like I expected this yr. Too many meh things in this update for it to be a gamechanger especially with the deep dive screenshots shown so far and current franchise bugs.
    Happy your happy tho bro and maybe you don't care about these issues as much as others
    Oh and SN....We also are looking at Maddens track record of bugs and things not working for weeks/months before being fixed. Im happy but have to see the cpu use this correctly. Hell the cpu barely does anything correctly or realistically but I do like the change overall. Just don't see this working how I dreamed it would but that's no fault of Duece per say. Madden has been struggling to get right way before he got put on.
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    dh13king
    They always said TARGETING September, never a promise. It'll likely be a more polished and finished product instead of a buggy mess. I'll gladly take the former any day.

    You think so huh??? Wanna bet?
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    Cato06
    You think so huh??? Wanna bet?
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    We sure can my guy! I gotchu! Taken directly from the first set of notes where they reveal franchise mode. I had to do this on my phone so that's why the marks look sloppy but....uh scoreboard?
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    Reed1417
    We sure can my guy! I gotchu! Taken directly from the first set of notes where they reveal franchise mode. I had to do this on my phone so that's why the marks look sloppy but....uh scoreboard?
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    I think they are implying that it won't be more polished and less buggy. I mean it will be for sure, but we know that there obviously be still be some problems of course and they'll say, "see I told you" no matter what. It is what it is.
    dh13king
    They can't give a confirmed date because Microsoft and Sony need to approve of the patches. Saying that it's coming out in mid October means they know it'll be ready and the range of mid October will cover the extra time it would take the patch to be approved.

    Ok so if Sony or MS dont approve it or EA find another issue. That October release may not hit. Imo they gave that timeframe just to buy time instead of just saying TBD. I hope for franchise fans sake it does make it in October
    I apologize if I missed this info in the comments, but if I start my franchise now because I am impatient, do I have the option of NOT downloading the update when it comes out?
    leegero
    I apologize if I missed this info in the comments, but if I start my franchise now because I am impatient, do I have the option of NOT downloading the update when it comes out?
    I've read a poster say it will be an option when you restart post release. You can always continue your franchise without the update since it requires a full restart. Franchise is decent tho this yr. bugs...yea but playable depending on if your hit with the fatigue thing.
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    leegero
    I apologize if I missed this info in the comments, but if I start my franchise now because I am impatient, do I have the option of NOT downloading the update when it comes out?

    You'll download it automatically with the Title Update, but it won't take affect in any already existing Franchise that you are playing, only in new ones that you start after it gets implemented.
    EA should just come out with a statement scrapping the update until M23.
    Just get the monkey off of everyone’s back, and get committed to getting this game fixed via weekly updates.
    The game plays great, minus a few issues.
    We’re stressed about it, im sure developers are stressed about it.
    Might be best to get people playing, and get off this rollercoaster.
    This is just crazy at this point.
    I have been a regular purchaser of Madden for as long as I can remember. I stopped buying it last year because I could not take the lack of innovation in the Franchise mode.
    This year, even though I had optimism, the scouting not being released until Mid-September made me pause my decision to purchase.
    With it being pushed until October, I may wait until it is free on Gamepass. Maybe next year.
    KSUowls
    However, EA is also a victim of their own past sins here, and deservedly so. They opened themselves up to this kind of backlash when they left franchise untouched for years. Fair or unfair, you don't get to play victim when your attempt to throw a bone at a segment of your fanbase fails after you have ignored them for years.

    Where has EA played or tried to play the victim in this situation?
    Eh. This is software development. Delays happen. People getting hot and bothered about are ridiculous.
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    Why is anybody surprised. You knew they wouldn’t meet the deadline when they went radio silent all month. Fans will defend them no matter what and those critical wil always be critical. Nothing to see here, move along.
    SmashMan
    Where has EA played or tried to play the victim in this situation?

    Semantics
    I was referring to all of the posts in this thread which paint EA or the developers of undeserving of the backlash.
    KSUowls
    Semantics
    I was referring to all of the posts in this thread which paint EA or the developers of undeserving of the backlash.

    It's not semantics. You specifically said EA doesn't get to do something they're already not doing. Come on, man.
    If you had an issue with other people's posts, just say that. There's no shame in it - 99% of OS is already people disagreeing with other people's posts. :lol:
    SmashMan
    It's not semantics. You specifically said EA doesn't get to do something they're already not doing. Come on, man.
    If you had an issue with other people's posts, just say that. There's no shame in it - 99% of OS is already people disagreeing with other people's posts. :lol:

    I’m glad I won my copy from the bengals this year. While it looks and plays well for the most part, the franchise has been a buggy mess at times.
    This post will absolutely not get much love but it’s wildly apparent that most complainants have never worked in software before and don’t understand how challenging it can be to lock down a specific date for releases.
    There is a reason that words like “targeting” are used during promos. They know better, as does every other software company promoting their roadmap. Pay attention to the details
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    SmashMan
    It's not semantics. You specifically said EA doesn't get to do something they're already not doing. Come on, man.
    If you had an issue with other people's posts, just say that. There's no shame in it - 99% of OS is already people disagreeing with other people's posts. :lol:

    Some people are projecting victimhood so to speak on EA's behalf. ie: semantics (literally, by definition), and I specifically clarified myself for you since my phrasing caused confusion. Continuing to analyze my phrasing is just being obstinate.
    edit -
    cMont28
    This post will absolutely not get much love but it’s wildly apparent that most complainants have never worked in software before and don’t understand how challenging it can be to lock down a specific date for releases.
    There is a reason that words like “targeting” are used during promos. They know better, as does every other software company promoting their roadmap. Pay attention to the details
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    It is bigger than this for a lot of us. We only have one football game to choose from and we have been playing the same stale franchise mode for years. Then they promise a new upgrade as a selling point that won’t be out until two months after release date.
    It’s not that they missed their target on some isolated incident, it is years of frustration of what feels like being ignored.
    jcas007
    I want the game but I'll wait till scouting is fixed since franchise is what I play , at this point I might as well wait till black Friday sales
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    That's what I'm doing. This game isn't worth $70 with the issues with franchise mode.
    XtremeDunkz
    This is my take on this entire thing.
    I feel bad for the devs on this one.
    They could have easily waited to put this in M23 (and maybe they should have)
    But they chose to work to get it in so we'd have it this year. And it ended up with more customer backlash.
    This will negatively affect both sides moving forward.
    I understand the fan frustration but I also understand how frustrating it must be on the dev side.
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    Maybe if they would've been working on franchise the whole time instead of waiting for the Twitter mob to get mad they wouldn't of had to try an jam everything in so quickly.
    Ive never really played franchise mode....all ive been interested in is season mode and actual gameplay. But reading just a bit on this, it looks very appealing.
    Do some of you play the franchise mode without playing the actual games? Like just manage draft, trades, signing contracts, etc. basically a GM/coach mode?
    Is the trade engine good? Itd be great if we can pull off draft day trades for the new upcoming prospect....things of that nature. And how much influence does playing like this affect the outcome of your franchise without playing any actual games?
    Thanks
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    GoJags904
    Lol I see you're excited and I'm happy for you. I just have to point out that even though your bothered, you're wrong. The position needs is wrong unless a typing error for said team DET. The stories have always been under the draft tab for prospects, the scouting assignments are new, and we do get more letter grades for more positions. As far as an overhaul, I'm not sold.
    Like another poster said, is it touch and leave or will a user who scout's every week for info at the same advantage/level as one who sets an ignores? If team needs are wrong then will the mock draft be actually accurate enough to pay attention too or useless extra info? it's alot of question marks at this point but it is new paint for those just wanting to see something shiny.
    Love the fact that Duece is behind it but will wait for more come 23 than expecting this to blow me away like I expected this yr. Too many meh things in this update for it to be a gamechanger especially with the deep dive screenshots shown so far and current franchise bugs.
    Happy your happy tho bro and maybe you don't care about these issues as much as others
    Oh and SN....We also are looking at Maddens track record of bugs and things not working for weeks/months before being fixed. Im happy but have to see the cpu use this correctly. Hell the cpu barely does anything correctly or realistically but I do like the change overall. Just don't see this working how I dreamed it would but that's no fault of Duece per say. Madden has been struggling to get right way before he got put on.
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    I was referring to the scouting deep dive which says this:
    “Being able to see the overall positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft class, as well as on a per-region basis, allows you to plan your approach.”
    THAT is 100% new.
    Also please show me in previous Maddens where it showed your roster’s strongest position (more convenient than simple letter grades for each position), and certainly where it showed the DRAFT’s strongest position (as described in the deep dive).
    Also, the stories of draft prospects have been altered, therefore it’s not the same thing.
    Most importantly, Mike’s ignorant rant focused on ONE page, ignoring a BUNCH of new additions, and them he claimed that it was basically the same thing. Even the entire mechanical process is different, let alone the much greater amount of information you get.
    It’s an ASININE post he made, and so is your defense of it.
    phillyfan23
    Do some of you play the franchise mode without playing the actual games? Like just manage draft, trades, signing contracts, etc. basically a GM/coach mode?
    Is the trade engine good? Itd be great if we can pull off draft day trades for the new upcoming prospect....things of that nature. And how much influence does playing like this affect the outcome of your franchise without playing any actual games?
    Thanks
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    Ever since late in the 20/early in the 21 cycle, the only way I really like to play Madden is by watching the games in Slow Supersim (if you check out MrHurriicane on YT, the way he plays his secondary franchises on his second channel). It's just far too easy to outplay the CPU AI, even at the hardest and max difficulties. Watching the games feels like an unpredictable beast and it's a lot more fun watching the team build and grow. Plus it's more of a toss up as to how your team will perform against other squads.
    The only frustrating part is that sometimes the AI play itself can be pretty lackluster but hey, same thing happens watching your team in real life.
    Just recently started played M20 on PC and with mods it's an entirely new experience. Playing a franchise where my Dallas Cowboys get a 'Death Penalty' because of Jerry's dealings so the roster has been wiped clean of starters and the squad is just backups and practice squad caliber players. It's an uphill battle every game and it's fun to see slight developments as the season wears on. We lost big pretty much every week until we stymied the G-Men to a hard fought 6-3 victory, the first in the new era of these Cowboys.
    The trade system can be easily gamed but it an be very active on Draft Day, more often than not you'll be offered trades for your pick and you can easily trade up in the draft.
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    I was referring to the scouting deep dive which says this:
    “Being able to see the overall positional strengths and weaknesses of the draft class, as well as on a per-region basis, allows you to plan your approach.”
    THAT is 100% new.
    Also please show me in previous Maddens where it showed your roster’s strongest position (more convenient than simple letter grades for each position), and certainly where it showed the DRAFT’s strongest position (as described in the deep dive).
    Also, the stories of draft prospects have been altered, therefore it’s not the same thing.
    Most importantly, Mike’s ignorant rant focused on ONE page, ignoring a BUNCH of new additions, and them he claimed that it was basically the same thing. Even the entire mechanical process is different, let alone the much greater amount of information you get.
    It’s an ASININE post he made, and so is your defense of it.

    You're awfully defensive of a mode you haven't played with yet, for a game you also haven't purchased...I understand being excited for it, but wow lol
    If it comes out full of bugs, will you still call people "asinine" for talking against it?
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    oldman

    It’s not that they missed their target on some isolated incident, it is years of frustration of what feels like being ignored.

    BUT fools continue to buy it as a pre-order (which is beyond me at this point) or at all, KNOWING full well there will be a day 1 patch that remedies some things and FUBAR's others...
    This "scouting" deal is just the latest in a Santa's list of broken promises and games!
    IF people STOP buying the game at a MAJOR clip, then MAYBE the NFL takes notice as this represents their product. At this point, these two clown companies are holding hands and skipping to the lou ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! #revolt
    pantherfan076
    BUT fools continue to buy it as a pre-order (which is beyond me at this point) or at all, KNOWING full well there will be a day 1 patch that remedies some things and FUBAR's others...
    This "scouting" deal is just the latest in a Santa's list of broken promises and games!
    IF people STOP buying the game at a MAJOR clip, then MAYBE the NFL takes notice as this represents their product. At this point, these two clown companies are holding hands and skipping to the lou ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! #revolt
    Some of us actually enjoy the game.... and I'm curious what scouting "promise" was broken?
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    pantherfan076
    BUT fools continue to buy it as a pre-order (which is beyond me at this point) or at all, KNOWING full well there will be a day 1 patch that remedies some things and FUBAR's others...
    This "scouting" deal is just the latest in a Santa's list of broken promises and games!
    IF people STOP buying the game at a MAJOR clip, then MAYBE the NFL takes notice as this represents their product. At this point, these two clown companies are holding hands and skipping to the lou ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! #revolt

    I pre-ordered it, heck I pre-ordered one of the more expensive versions so I could play early. I played the beta and liked what I saw and I am still playing and enjoying it. I like nfl games and I like madden even with it's flaws. So what? What's me enjoying the game mean to you? Nothing. If you don't want to play it, don't buy it. I can't believe this even still needs to be said, but no one forces anyone to buy or play this game.
    Sphinx
    I pre-ordered it, heck I pre-ordered one of the more expensive versions so I could play early. I played the beta and liked what I saw and I am still playing and enjoying it. I like nfl games and I like madden even with it's flaws. So what? What's me enjoying the game mean to you? Nothing. If you don't want to play it, don't buy it. I can't believe this even still needs to be said, but no one forces anyone to buy or play this game.

    2nd this. I'm not revolting against something i enjoy. I'd love for the bugs to get cleaned up sooner rather than later, but the game is fun enough in it's current state for me to have almost 150 hours in it since EA Play started last month. That's certainly worth $65 to me. Compare that to a 2 hour movie at the theater that's $15 and the ROI from Madden is not even comparable.
    pantherfan076
    BUT fools continue to buy it as a pre-order (which is beyond me at this point) or at all, KNOWING full well there will be a day 1 patch that remedies some things and FUBAR's others...
    This "scouting" deal is just the latest in a Santa's list of broken promises and games!
    IF people STOP buying the game at a MAJOR clip, then MAYBE the NFL takes notice as this represents their product. At this point, these two clown companies are holding hands and skipping to the lou ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! #revolt

    At this point, the “people just need to stop buying” is pretty funny man. This game probably sells millions every year, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say the people who don’t like it are VERY few. There’s like 10 of you guys max hollering inside of an echo chamber 😂 . 5 out of the 10 have no plans to like it no matter how good the game is, which makes it even worse! Just move on man, or find an older version you like and play that.
    I'll echo what the last few posters have said. I haven't touched the game in weeks (I'd agree that the game wasn't super enjoyable at first with the busted coverages, lack of scouting, and other bugs), but I pre-ordered and I don't regret it. Had fun for a little bit, got to play it early, and now I'm going to wait for the scouting update before I go back.
    roadman
    Or maybe back in June they thought it was a attainable goal and discovered down the road that the project will be delayed a bit.
    Every company that I have worked at has some projects that go beyond the due date and the customer is contacted about a new due date and the customer in most cases appreciates the transparency.
    Edit to CM- I agree and get it about restarting FM. That would be a corker, especially with owners with large leagues. Personally, on my end, I am not in leagues, just play the cpu so I can continue to practice within my own little world.

    You work in software development roadman?
    pantherfan076
    BUT fools continue to buy it as a pre-order (which is beyond me at this point) or at all, KNOWING full well there will be a day 1 patch that remedies some things and FUBAR's others...
    This "scouting" deal is just the latest in a Santa's list of broken promises and games!
    IF people STOP buying the game at a MAJOR clip, then MAYBE the NFL takes notice as this represents their product. At this point, these two clown companies are holding hands and skipping to the lou ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! #revolt
    People are never going to stop buying and EA is never gonna change. Why? Because they own the market. Until lighting strikes and an non-NFL licensed game comes around and takes the football world by storm, this will continue to be the result.. Not us complaining, not actual nfl players complaining, not employees complaining..
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    smh122
    People are never going to stop buying and EA is never gonna change. Why? Because they own the market. Until lighting strikes and an non-NFL licensed game comes around and takes the football world by storm, this will continue to be the result.. Not us complaining, not actual nfl players complaining, not employees complaining..
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    This basically. In this #MeToo generation, unless the majority gets together and does another Twitter trending uproar, nothing will move the needle as much. I like the change and hope it's consistent; but it's a new era now, and the 30 and up crowd aren't the target.
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    smh122
    People are never going to stop buying and EA is never gonna change. Why? Because they own the market. Until lighting strikes and an non-NFL licensed game comes around and takes the football world by storm, this will continue to be the result.. Not us complaining, not actual nfl players complaining, not employees complaining..
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    Yet another point made... THIS is on the NFL! THEY sold their soul to the EA devil and now there's no unringing the bell!
    Apparently, my early post needs to be expanded upon... I could care less who buys or even pre-orders it BUT don't be caught bitch'n and complain'n when it comes out broken like a busted road in Brooklyn and they do the equivalent of filling the holes with sand then to strip it down and start over!
    CM Hooe
    Delays are fine and understandable. **** happens and software is made by imperfect humans, I get it.
    What is unacceptable is the combination of a delay of the update and the forced restart in order to use the new content.
    Why should I bother playing Madden Franchise right now in September if I’m going to lose all my progress when the new feature comes out? And since EA now has a track record of forcing Franchise players into this cadence of forced restarts, what is to say they won’t release another update which will require a restart again?
    Again. If EA really wants Madden Franchise mode to be a live service - they should want that, and I want them to want that - then the practice of forced restarts must end now.

    Honestly, I'm kind of enjoying the Franchise mode, although I set a ton of stuff to auto, and just kind of check out different things. Mainly, I'm surprised how much i like it, because i really hate franchise modes.
    So, I would play franchise to, you know, enjoy what the mode does have to offer, maybe explore some stuff I don't normally do, and probably enjoy the process. ****, I already started and stopped half a dozen franchises, just checking out features and trying stuff.
    Like, I plan on moving the Jags to StL. Nice bad team, young franchise QB, and a new city. So I some of it is just messing around and doing some drafts with the Jags and learning their roster and such. Might be fun to already know all that stuff when learning the new scouting stuff.
    Honestly, the big mistake was announcing something they couldn't have ready. But announced or not, it would not be out. So I'm not gonna waste time worrying about a feature that is not ready, no matter how cool it might be.
    Hell, just put everything to auto and play out some Madden seasons like we did old school.
    You know, just play the game.
    I have no problem waiting for the Scouting to be implemented. I love what I'm seeing...especially the text Scouting Reports and not just letter grades. If it has to be released in October then so be it.
    Heck, I'm still waiting on ESBC Boxing that was supposed to release a beta during early summer. But, the project got so big they've had to push the date back.
    I'm still waiting on 2k to fix the cameras in MyNBA mode.
    It ain't just EA and I have little to zero energy to sit back and blow a gasket over this stuff. Yall have at it.
    ggsimmonds
    You work in software development roadman?

    Yes, I do, as a Headhunter, so, I understand the processes, languages, etc....
    No, I am not a hands on SD, but I have interviewed plenty in my career and know my Java vs JS.
    I worked for large headhunting firms and now as a one man band, so, obviously, I like the gig I have now.
    TarHeelPhenom
    I have no problem waiting for the Scouting to be implemented. I love what I'm seeing...especially the text Scouting Reports and not just letter grades. If it has to be released in October then so be it.
    Heck, I'm still waiting on ESBC Boxing that was supposed to release a beta during early summer. But, the project got so big they've had to push the date back.
    I'm still waiting on 2k to fix the cameras in MyNBA mode.
    It ain't just EA and I have little to zero energy to sit back and blow a gasket over this stuff. Yall have at it.
    Sounds like the scouting report are only for traits. Which I'm excited to see since there was no way to know them before. Wish it was all text based and not number based since it won't take long to figure out what traits go with what report.
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    Good thing I took a mini-vaca to observe some real football last evening vs beating dead horses from 15 years ago and going to extremes from one end to the other.
    I wish there were a few things game play related would be fixed or better.
    And if you don't think developers in franchise are disappointed with the timing of scouting, you have another thing coming:
    From Swami, a developer in franchise, which, by the way, coincides with his hiring of making franchise better as well as Duece:
    Very much understood. I hate it too
    That statement right there indicates it was more than likely a software issue.(some of us have been saying that in this thread)
    roadman
    Good thing I took a mini-vaca to observe some real football last evening vs beating dead horses from 15 years ago and going to extremes from one end to the other.
    I wish there were a few things game play related would be fixed or better.
    And if you don't think developers in franchise are disappointed with the timing of scouting, you have another thing coming:
    From Swami, a developer in franchise, which, by the way, coincides with his hiring of making franchise better as well as Dueces:
    Very much understood. I hate it too
    That statement right there indicates it was more than likely a software issue.(some of us have been saying that in this thread)
    One thing I've learned over the last few years with the Madden community it's that those who just spew the same old tired hyperbole, rhetoric, conspiracy theories, hate just to hate, and all that nonsense will never be happy with anything that the devs do with the game.
    They're so far gone that it won't matter. This year is I think the clearest indicator of that.
    The team has done a good amount to improve franchise mode from what it has been in the last....let's say 10 years because I really don't know how long it's been nor do I really care. We wanted change, sure it took a hashtag and social media criticism to get it but you know what? We got it who cares? It's a never ending cycle with these people and it'll never be good enough.
    All we can do as the sane ones in the community is continue offering our constructive feedback and criticism of the game and if we don't like it we can not buy it because that's what matters. Do our best to block out the noise and either find some enjoyment in our game, take a few years away if you feel yourself become jaded and come back with a clearer head or don't and move on because honestly any of these options are valid and fine.
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    roadman
    Good thing I took a mini-vaca to observe some real football last evening vs beating dead horses from 15 years ago and going to extremes from one end to the other.
    I wish there were a few things game play related would be fixed or better.
    And if you don't think developers in franchise are disappointed with the timing of scouting, you have another thing coming:
    From Swami, a developer in franchise, which, by the way, coincides with his hiring of making franchise better as well as Duece:
    Very much understood. I hate it too
    That statement right there indicates it was more than likely a software issue.(some of us have been saying that in this thread)

    The haters have already turned on Swami. His last YT video got bombed with dislikes and has a few harassing comments about the game. They don't care that the franchise developers are upset that it had to be pushed too.
    dh13king
    The haters have already turned on Swami. His last YT video got bombed with dislikes and has a few harassing comments about the game. They don't care that the franchise developers are upset that it had to be pushed too.

    Nothing says “I’m a serious person whose opinion should be valued” like whining in the YouTube comments section.
    SmashMan
    Nothing says “I’m a serious person whose opinion should be valued” like whining in the YouTube comments section.

    Especially considering he's super to receiving feedback for the game on Twitter. It's a shame people can't be calm and respectful when talking about bugs and glitches in a video game
    dh13king
    Especially considering he's super to receiving feedback for the game on Twitter. It's a shame people can't be calm and respectful when talking about bugs and glitches in a video game

    I've never taken a pitchfork to a developer in my life, but my guess (no horse here, just an observation) as to why people aren't calm and respectful about bugs and glitches is because many of those bugs and glitches are there every single year.
    How many years now has the QB drop-back bug been in the game? I think it's been given attention now, but it was what...3, 4 years? How many versions have had the disappearing kick meter, or punts traveling 20 yards? Mid field logos facing the wrong way, list goes on. Some huge, some microscopic. Even when some of this stuff gets fixed, it's miraculously back the following release.
    Again, I don't care...things will get fixed when they get fixed...but if you want to know why gamers aren't respectful, that's probably at least part of it. I know I get sick of seeing the same threads every year about the same bugs, so I have to imagine the person making those threads is past the point of calmness lol
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    therealsmallville
    I've never taken a pitchfork to a developer in my life, but my guess (no horse here, just an observation) as to why people aren't calm and respectful about bugs and glitches is because many of those bugs and glitches are there every single year.
    How many years now has the QB drop-back bug been in the game? I think it's been given attention now, but it was what...3, 4 years? How many versions have had the disappearing kick meter, or punts traveling 20 yards? Mid field logos facing the wrong way, list goes on. Some huge, some microscopic. Even when some of this stuff gets fixed, it's miraculously back the following release.
    Again, I don't care...things will get fixed when they get fixed...but if you want to know why gamers aren't respectful, that's probably at least part of it. I know I get sick of seeing the same threads every year about the same bugs, so I have to imagine the person making those threads is past the point of calmness lol
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    Not you of course, but none of that is an excuse to act like a petulant child on forums or comments sections of videos.
    If glitches in Madden and a scouting delay cause you to act like a horrible person, then it's time to either get help, or find a new hobby.
    I understand anger and frustration, but that doesn't make it ok to say and do some of the things these people say and do. I mean we had a guy on here stalking a developer on twitter while he was on vacation with his family after the game came out. Calling him out here and on his twitter account. That's just sick.
    We all know that Madden is gonna have bugs and glitches, some may take years to fix. We know that now. So if you can't handle that, then move on. And if your next inclination is to cry about the exclusive license, get used to it. It's not changing anytime soon. Go play 2K5, APF, old Maddens. If that's still not enough and you can't play Madden because you don't like the game, then you have to find a way to make peace with that. If you can't, then it's on you to find a way to either be constructive about what you don't like, or to let Madden go for good.
    jfsolo
    YouTube sports video games comments sections are usually cesspools.
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    Apparently Ryan Moody made a video about Swami which would explain the the amount of hate he's getting on YouTube. Having being a madden ***** as your brand is weird, like you could just spend your energy doing something else entirely.
    PVarck31
    Not you of course, but none of that is an excuse to act like a petulant child on forums or comments sections of videos.
    If glitches in Madden and a scouting delay cause you to act like a horrible person, then it's time to either get help, or find a new hobby.
    I understand anger and frustration, but that doesn't make it ok to say and do some of the things these people say and do. I mean we had a guy on here stalking a developer on twitter while he was on vacation with his family after the game came out. Calling him out here and on his twitter account. That's just sick.
    We all know that Madden is gonna have bugs and glitches, some may take years to fix. We know that now. So if you can't handle that, then move on. And if your next inclination is to cry about the exclusive license, get used to it. It's not changing anytime soon. Go play 2K5, APF, old Maddens. If that's still not enough and you can't play Madden because you don't like the game, then you have to find a way to make peace with that. If you can't, then it's on you to find a way to either be constructive about what you don't like, or to let Madden go for good.

    I 100% agree, and is exactly why I don't look up devs on Twitter or anywhere else. I don't comment a lot, but I read a bunch and what I read from a lot of the louder complainers is the same thing year after year...I think some have just snapped lol
    I had a mini outburst here when the scouting update was delayed, I guess I was "having a day" and I let it happen. Not proud of it, and re-reading it I laugh because it was a really dumb comment. I try not to let that happen, but for some people I think the outbursts are just years of frustration boiling to the top. Never an excuse to stalk anyone though, that's very far removed from video games.
    Luckily, though, we have a pretty solid game this year! 🥳 First time in a long time where I'm still excited to fire it up after a month, and if they fix the coverages then I'll probably play all year. Haven't said that in a while...I think the loudest / meanest complainers might also find enjoyment in it if they put down Ryan Moody's YouTube channel for a minute and give it a shot, but that probably won't happen.
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    therealsmallville
    I 100% agree, and is exactly why I don't look up devs on Twitter or anywhere else. I don't comment a lot, but I read a bunch and what I read from a lot of the louder complainers is the same thing year after year...I think some have just snapped lol
    I had a mini outburst here when the scouting update was delayed, I guess I was "having a day" and I let it happen. Not proud of it, and re-reading it I laugh because it was a really dumb comment. I try not to let that happen, but for some people I think the outbursts are just years of frustration boiling to the top. Never an excuse to stalk anyone though, that's very far removed from video games.
    Luckily, though, we have a pretty solid game this year! 🥳 First time in a long time where I'm still excited to fire it up after a month, and if they fix the coverages then I'll probably play all year. Haven't said that in a while...I think the loudest / meanest complainers might also find enjoyment in it if they put down Ryan Moody's YouTube channel for a minute and give it a shot, but that probably won't happen.
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    We all have bad days and say things we don't mean. It's the people with the pattern of behavior of what I am talking about that need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask am I really this mad about a video game?
    dh13king
    Apparently Ryan Moody made a video about Swami which would explain the the amount of hate he's getting on YouTube. Having being a madden ***** as your brand is weird, like you could just spend your energy doing something else entirely.
    That doesn't surprise me at all. Moody is just...ugh...
    I used to casually watch his content every so often when it would appear in my home feed but once I saw he wasn't giving the charges in 22 any credit I swiftly chose to have his channel removed from my home feed and blocked seeing his content. Outta sight, outta mind. I should add that I'm not a "Madden *****" by any means but I was curious enough to want to hear his views.
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    dh13king
    Especially considering he's super to receiving feedback for the game on Twitter. It's a shame people can't be calm and respectful when talking about bugs and glitches in a video game

    If he stays on the team long enough he'll eventually peace out too, in your early/mid 20s you usually can put up with more bull**** then when you're 30+, it's inevitable IMO, so I'm just enjoying the time we have with him sharing info about the game.
    The problem with negativity is it breads more negativity.
    I made my thoughts early in this thread somewhere and walked away. Yes I wasn't positive in my thoughts of the delay but I also didn't see the need to keep hammering. I do agree that year after year the same issues keep driving some of crazy but we still choose to buy the game.
    Hopefully they'll deliver the Oct. date or this matter will get worse. If they deliver and the new scouting is a homerun a lot of folks will move on.
    Reed1417
    That doesn't surprise me at all. Moody is just...ugh...
    I used to casually watch his content every so often when it would appear in my home feed but once I saw he wasn't giving the charges in 22 any credit I swiftly chose to have his channel removed from my home feed and blocked seeing his content. Outta sight, outta mind. I should add that I'm not a "Madden *****" by any means but I was curious enough to want to hear his views.
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    A complete toxic tool. This is just a microcosm of what has gone terribly wrong with social media and the effects on our society as a whole. But that is such a different kind of discussion that we do not need to get into here.
    But man......our way of not being “excellent” to each other has gone so off the rails....the divide in our country is real and incredibly sad.
    Peace.
    dh13king
    Especially considering he's super to receiving feedback for the game on Twitter. It's a shame people can't be calm and respectful when talking about bugs and glitches in a video game

    Should be repeated several times until the brain is fully conditioned...
    A.Video.Game.
    thescoop
    The problem with negativity is it breads more negativity.
    I made my thoughts early in this thread somewhere and walked away. Yes I wasn't positive in my thoughts of the delay but I also didn't see the need to keep hammering. I do agree that year after year the same issues keep driving some of crazy but we still choose to buy the game.
    Hopefully they'll deliver the Oct. date or this matter will get worse. If they deliver and the new scouting is a homerun a lot of folks will move on.

    This is the issue though. if 10 million ppl left their 1 negative comment, that's still 10 million negative comments.
    lemarflacco
    This is the issue though. if 10 million ppl left their 1 negative comment, that's still 10 million negative comments.

    That's a big if, though, at least around OS, the same people leave the same negative comments year after year after year and then leave.
    Just got done talking with Swami about how the custom classes will be used with the new scouting system and found some REALLY cool information. Least I think it is.
    EDIT: Next time I'll make the images smaller my bad everyone.
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    Reed1417
    Just got done talking with Swami about how the custom classes will be used with the new scouting system and found some REALLY cool information. Least I think it is.
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    That's awesome. Really glad they're going the extra mile to make it really gel with custom classes.
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    oneamongthefence
    That's awesome. Really glad they're going the extra mile to make it really gel with custom classes.
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    Yeah man me too! Cause they could have just said "we'll just allow the custom classes to use the profiles and that's it". But the fact they went the extra mile really makes me happy because it just adds the extra element to the custom classes of extra unpredictability. Which I think can be really cool especially for those classes who don't really have storylines built in.
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    Armor and Sword
    A complete toxic tool. This is just a microcosm of what has gone terribly wrong with social media and the effects on our society as a whole. But that is such a different kind of discussion that we do not need to get into here.
    But man......our way of not being “excellent” to each other has gone so off the rails....the divide in our country is real and incredibly sad.
    Peace.
    Really not wanting to derail here....just think.....Most intelligent lifeforms use social media for good and spreading more positive info for the growth of everyone. Majority of all ppl aren't in the smaller group of positive ppl using social media for its intent tho. Always remember the saying....Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize Most ppl are dumber than that. good day.
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    GoJags904
    Really not wanting to derail here....just think.....Most intelligent lifeforms use social media for good and spreading more positive info for the growth of everyone. Majority of all ppl aren't in the smaller group of positive ppl using social media for its intent tho. Always remember the saying....Think about how dumb the average person is, then realize Most ppl are dumber than that. good day.
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    So true......so true.
    Reed1417
    Yeah man me too! Cause they could have just said "we'll just allow the custom classes to use the profiles and that's it". But the fact they went the extra mile really makes me happy because it just adds the extra element to the custom classes of extra unpredictability. Which I think can be really cool especially for those classes who don't really have storylines built in.
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    To piggyback....they gave us options...the option to keep it on or turn it off. Phenom loves options lol! Good job EA!
    dh13king
    Is it not possible that they truly wanted to get it out in September and were transparent about that from the beginning and then it had to be pushed because of some issues? I don't think they're purposefully holding off to get people into MUT. Franchise people don't play MUT - I'm having a lot of fun testing out things in franchise while waiting for the update.

    I'm really happy YOU'RE having fun man!
    TarHeelPhenom
    To piggyback....they gave us options...the option to keep it on or turn it off. Phenom loves options lol! Good job EA!
    Yes that's also very important too! As a fan of options myself Phenom we are in full agreement here! Good job EA! Now we just wait a little longer. It's like Three Dog from Fallout 3 said...."Just a little patience children".
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