NBA 2K21
NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Trailer & Screenshots
2K has just released their NBA 2K21 next-gen gameplay trailer, captured from the PlayStation 5. The trailer shows a quick glimpse of NBA 2K21 next-gen cover athlete, Zion Williamson and current-gen cover athlete Damian Lillard, before getting into the real action we’ve been waiting for.
After seeing Luka Dončić come out of the tunnel and greet Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and high-five Champ the mascot, the rest of the trailer features an exhibition game between the Golden State Warriors and Dallas Mavericks, some of which, is captured from the all-new Rail Cam. 2K mentions the new AI systems, power every single person in the arena, to make the game come to life.
2K has also teased a small list of expanded and improved upon details for the next-gen version of NBA 2K21, with many more details still to come.
- An eye-popping leap in graphical advancements: next-gen lighting, textures, physics, animations, and more that push NBA 2K21’s visual presentation to the bleeding edge;
- Rebuilt player movement and player impact, driven by new on-court animation and collision engines that make for a smoother, tougher game;
- The entire arena comes to life, with more than 150 unique AI-driven characters interacting seamlessly to create a groundbreaking Lower Bowl experience;
- An expanded soundtrack with 202 songs at launch and more to come.
If you are looking for more NBA 2K21 next-gen information and details, thankfully we don’t have to wait long. In fact, tomorrow we get some more goodies. Here’s what 2K had to say.
Today’s gameplay video is just the beginning with much more next-gen NBA 2K21 information coming soon. Beginning tomorrow, we’ll be breaking down all of the new next-gen gameplay-specific features across three Courtside Reports that cover core gameplay, new movement and the “Impact Engine,” as well as next-gen AI and major changes to the MyPLAYER Builder. Additionally, in the coming weeks, NBA 2K fans can look forward to learning about what’s new in MyCAREER, the WNBA, MyGM, and MyLEAGUE. And of course, fans will get an in-depth look into what will be the biggest expansion of NBA 2K’s online basketball community feature yet: the experience formerly known as the Neighborhood.
The experience formerly known as the Neighborhood? Interesting…
Built from the ground-up to fully utilize the incredible power, speed and technology of the next-generation of consoles, NBA 2K21 will be available on November 10 for Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S, globally. As for PlayStation 5, the release date is set for November 12 in the US, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea, and on November 19 for PlayStation 5 in all other regions.
As we typically do, we captured some NBA 2K21 next-gen screenshots from the new trailer below. Make sure to watch the trailer, check out the screenshots and let us know your thoughts, including any “little things” you may have noticed.
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Wanna here about improvements to see IF this really is the one we've been waiting for!
The attention to detail is mind blowing, wow
The park players wont care. One of the biggest complaints about mycareer is AI teammates.
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Real time lighting is nice - emphasized on the overhead shot of the arena during the timeout.
Backboard stanchion still made of rubber (Hardaway dunk).
Love the new style of trailer though...... the previous gen style was growing stale. Long lengths of gameplay moments - much nicer.
Dame, Klay closeups looked sensational. Wow. Very close to photo real at a glance.
Lots to digest.
Make sure you change the Quality over to 4K in the settings.
On one hand I can see why some people might be a little underwhelmed. This might not be the mind blowing jump we saw with 2k14 but this game still looks damn good and might be the best looking next gen game we have seen thus far.
Just gonna be a difference of opinion here. This looks night and day. Very deliberate metaphor here. As the lighting is incredible. Reflections and the quality of the crowd and sideline people. Seeing Luka enter the floor at moments I thought I was watching a real person.
Interesting nonsense sequence with a ton of things happening at once during timeout was a deliberate choice. I bet one of the things they'll be able to do in people's beloved Park (I couldn't care less about Park) is have WAY more games happening simultaneously.
More fidelity. More simulated elements are possible. To say nothing of the hand to ball contact and ball physics look stronger. (Nets still look janky without any resistance to them, like it's made of twine, not thick nylon).
And once we get the games in our hands and we realize we will go from picking teams to the games starting in seconds? Right into the sports show with Ernie and them? It's gonna make playing older games impossible due to load times.
Last several years I purchased 2k, I always waited until Black Friday sales before buying it. That's mainly because I rather wait until the season is underway and we've seen a roster update before buying the game. And typically with sports games, you see tons of updates in the first month, I rather wait until initial issues are fixed first.
I haven't played a single game since I sold my consoles last December, so patience isn't an issue I have lol
So seeing a familiar behind the back, contact finish and celebratory follow thru was a let down.
Interesting nonsense sequence with a ton of things happening at once during timeout was a deliberate choice. I bet one of the things they'll be able to do in people's beloved Park (I couldn't care less about Park) is have WAY more games happening simultaneously.
More fidelity. More simulated elements are possible. To say nothing of the hand to ball contact and ball physics look stronger. (Nets still look janky without any resistance to them, like it's made of twine, not thick nylon).
And once we get the games in our hands and we realize we will go from picking teams to the games starting in seconds? Right into the sports show with Ernie and them? It's gonna make playing older games impossible due to load times.
I haven't played a single game since I sold my consoles last December, so patience isn't an issue I have lol
Gotcha. I just wouldn't think that a mere roster update would be the reason for you to not buy the next game .
In a way it's similar to 1080p to 4k. Some people might not think it's a huge improvement while other people are like "but look at all the improved details in the picture and background!"
Other than that, the movement looks identical. And that's not good.
The animations are what holds this game back.
And you only have to see the threads on non-sports forums. Gamers that don't know basketball are all commenting how weird the player movement looks.
Really though that's not even close to what makes this game look like it's going to be insane. It's those atmospheric touches and all the fine details. Just watching that trailer and seeing the world surrounding the action react, it was impossible not to get excited.
I'm not telling anyone how to feel but if you are honestly meh..... about this trailer I'd be curious to hear what you were expecting cause everything I'm seeing here looks like a significant upgrade.
Are player faces photo-realistic. You betcha. Are there a bunch more people running onto the court during time outs? Yep. Was the "Doncic running out of the tunnel" scene cool? Ice cold. Are players sweatier? Dripping.
But for me, I don't need to pay $60 for improved faces and textures. I want more realistic player models. I want less sliding and smoother animations. I want balls which go CLEANLY through the hoop more-often-than-not (like in the actual NBA).
Based on the trailer, it doesn't look like I'm getting those things. It looks like a shinier (pun kinda intended) current-gen NBA 2k21.
Hope I'm wrong, but don't think I will be, as trailers are supposed to highlight the positives.
I'm very picky about buying games in general, especially full retail price. But I don't see Next gen versions getting discounted until earliest maybe February or March. So, I will most likely buy it day 1 because I know price isn't dropping any time soon, I'm confident 2k will deliver, and with annual sports titles, I have a mental cutoff date to purchase a game or I feel it is too late in the cycle.
Even if I buy it day 1, still might hold off playing it. Yeah the roster update is a small thing, but even if I play MyCareer, I still want the roster to closely resemble real life. Little things like tendency updates, players coming out of no where, roster moves make a difference for me. Plus there are other games, I want to play first.
I think your putting too much stock in a single play from a trailer. Maybe it was bad gameplay logic. Maybe it was just a bad defensive possession.
-Footnote read "All footage captured from a work in progress build NBA 2k21 on PS5". That could mean a number of things, or maybe it doesn't mean much. But even if there are significant changes or not, this footage isn't the "final" product.
-Dame and Zion look insane! Although idk how realistic that facial expression is for Zion on that windmill, caught my eye right away.
-That tunnel sequence was awesome! But is it something that happens before every game? Won't know till the game is out I guess. Needless to say it was a nice touch.
-Steph and Klay look on point!
-When Klay is taking the jumper in warmups, the shadows over his face don't look natural. Not a big deal, but just something I noticed.
-Off ball player movement looks a tad robotic, not super smooth. Doesn't seem to be much difference from current gen.
-Player models seem a bit off on some guys. Boban looks too thin, but he's such a anomaly of a human, maybe you can't get him perfectly, and that's fine by me.
-Basketball going through the hoop, the ball looks a little soft, couldn't see too much detail imo.
-Lighting looks good, and dare I say it...sweat looks better!
-Kidding about the sweat.
Overall, I don't think it's quite as big of a jump from PS3 to PS4. But I think we're getting pretty close to the point where graphically, I honestly don't expect that huge of a jump because PS4 was pretty realistically looking already imo. We're just about a month away, so hopefully they start cranking out new videos and screens of players. We're almost there fellas!
Also, I really need to secure a PS5.....
Watched in 4k and I'm still not impressed. Don't get me wrong, it looks really good, but I'm not impressed at what I'm seeing. Just goes to show how good 2k has been detail wise and graphically. It's just the lighting and the arenas didn't take the leap I thought they would.
Not one game I've seen on next gen has made me wish I had a pre-order. Like I said this is the most underwhelming console transition. Possibly due to the times we're living in, but I can't see I feel like I'm gonna be missing out on anything.
Even if I buy it day 1, still might hold off playing it. Yeah the roster update is a small thing, but even if I play MyCareer, I still want the roster to closely resemble real life. Little things like tendency updates, players coming out of no where, roster moves make a difference for me. Plus there are other games, I want to play first.
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Only thing that looked iffy to me was that Tim hardaway Jr dunk. It didn't look authentic to me.
Looks amazing so far!!
If they could have achieved these graphics this gen, they would have. Don't be ridiculous. You're also comparing games from completely different genres that have completely different priorities and have to use resources for different things. Last of Us 2 doesn't have crowds/coaches/players with dozens and dozens of character models on screen at once.
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I’m officially blown away and can’t wait
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Only thing that looked iffy to me was that Tim hardaway Jr dunk. It didn't look authentic to me.
Also bothered me a little at first, but i think the dunk's on Marquese Chriss who's not that tall or an amazing defender. Could happen imo.
It's also something I've been more aware about since both companies have been promoting faster load times. Even some of the shorter load sequences in games seem longer than necessary knowing that, come next-gen, most load times will either be a lot faster or completely non-existent. And the older I get the more time I want to spend playing games, not waiting for games to load.
If they could have achieved these graphics this gen, they would have. Don't be ridiculous. You're also comparing games from completely different genres that have completely different priorities and have to use resources for different things. Last of Us 2 doesn't have crowds/coaches/players with dozens and dozens of character models on screen at once.
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How is it ridiculous? Go on tell me! Those 8 years and little bumps in graphics. You're just telling me that they can't do high quality graphics and we can see what PS4 can do with the games I named. Forget genre for a moment and THINK about it. IF 2k wanted to they can achieve those type of graphics is all I'm saying.
At least I think the defender boxing out instead of going for the block is user controlled. Or else we're in for a long year lol.
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I don't trust trailers, looking forward to some 5 on 5 gameplay.
Also, "forget about genre for a moment and think" is an ironic statement because if you thought a bit more and applied some logic, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to compare games from completely different genres. Look at NBA 2k compared with other sports titles at least since they're more or less dealing with the same balance of performance and on-screen models/AI systems, etc while maintaining 60 fps (something the games you mentioned don't do).
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Remember that this game runs at 60fps where as both TLOU2 and RDR2 target 30fps, and not even a locked 30fps. If those games aimed for 60fps there would be a lot of compromises to those games. Likewise 2k might look more photorealistic at 30fps but there would be drawbacks there as well, especially to the feel.
Edit* Never mind I found it.
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Not one game I've seen on next gen has made me wish I had a pre-order. Like I said this is the most underwhelming console transition. Possibly due to the times we're living in, but I can't see I feel like I'm gonna be missing out on anything.
Yeah, I am in this camp. I wasn’t blown away or anything. The only thing that I really liked was Luka walking to the court and the high five with Cuban. Graphics look good though. I am really just hoping the movement is a lot better more than anything and the crowd atmosphere is finally where it needs to be.
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Makes sense tho as the covid crisis probably made it difficult to scan the players
I hear you. I'm playing the Marvel's Avengers game right now, and I hate that it takes 15 - 25 seconds to reload back into the game after you die. I had it on "Brutal" setting, but I was getting killed way too often, and it felt like I was watching more loading screens than anything else. Shadow of the Tomb Raider had it bad when you fast traveled to different areas or initial launch into the game.
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2K really needs to give us 20 or so body shape presets that we can pick and change for both CAPs and players in the game.. Better option would be sliders to target areas of the body, but I'd settle for varying presets.. Another round of 3 options, skinny, normal, bigger, with the handful of like 5-10 guys they decide to give muscle definition to will just be a massive let down.
To be fair I'm someone who cares much more about how the players look than I do things like sneaker detail and crowd lighting, so seeing this wasn't a massive win for me.
I agree. It makes a big difference. With that Zion pic I just posted, I thought is he more defined? No, body is the same but lighting does a better job of showing definition. Lighting and emotion does stand out
I fully expect this initial next gen game to be a small step back in some areas so that we can take two steps forward as we progress through this generation.
Also, "forget about genre for a moment and think" is an ironic statement because if you thought a bit more and applied some logic, you'd realize how ridiculous it is to compare games from completely different genres. Look at NBA 2k compared with other sports titles at least since they're more or less dealing with the same balance of performance and on-screen models/AI systems, etc while maintaining 60 fps (something the games you mentioned don't do).
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Oh FFS fine. 2k graphics team can't do next gen type of graphics even if they had the resource and time. So let's just add ray tracing and port the models to next gen and call it a day.
There ya go. Enjoy your day and I hope I didn't ruin it.
But if my CPU teammates are still just standing around while the ball bounces 2 feet away from them and no one bothers to pick it up, all while I'm the only one that has ever employed the revolutionary technique of "boxing out" in the history of my team, I would essentially call this no significant update. And while this is of lesser concern to me, whatever netcode they are using, they should use a different one because the few times I have tried to play games online, they are such a miserable, desultory experience, I have no intention of ever playing another online game again.
So, looks great, but as with all sports games, gotta play actual games to know if it's anything other than lipstick.
There ya go. Enjoy your day and I hope I didn't ruin it.
I'm confused. Why are you assuming that the current gen consoles are capable of more? I might be the minority, but I felt like the graphics had reached their max since NBA 2K19. Granted, games like COD: Modern Warfare do push the envelope a little bit more (the cutscenes were crazy, but they also have 3 years to develop a game too), but I don't think graphics were capable of getting better by much more across the board.
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I'm scared to see what the legends will look like.
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Thats a legacy issue of AI defenders being coded to box out as soon a shot animation is triggered. Makes playing defense a chore. The AI is still not able to detect and identify that the ball is the most important thing on the court
“Beginning tomorrow, we’ll be breaking down all of the new next-gen gameplay-specific features across three Courtside Reports that cover core gameplay, new movement and the “Impact Engine,” as well as next-gen AI and major changes to the MyPLAYER Builder.”
Looks like we’ll be getting more info tomorrow. Exciting times!
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I'm scared to see what the legends will look like.
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It’s not perfect but gives you an idea
https://youtu.be/0S8PK2SRU8w
It’s not perfect but gives you an idea
https://youtu.be/0S8PK2SRU8w
I'm so glad that there are people out there who make these type of videos that compare generations.
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Did you want photorealism? Its clearly a major upgrade.
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Next gen 2K21 is only advertised for PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
looks like a significant improvement to me.
Looks great, and the shininess is real. Enjoy it while you can, it may not be there by the end of this gen.
Mop guy was the star of the show.
looks like a significant improvement to me.
Waiting for a 2K14 comparison :)
For me, I just figured basketball games, but specifically 2k would be further along in a lot of respects. Things like sound, player movement, body types, etc. I guess I just figured by now it'd all have approached the level of detail the players have and we aren't there yet. Part of it is unrealistic expectations because at the end of the day this is still a sports title released on a yearly basis. This is where things like The Last of Us 2 (or any Naughty Dog game for that matter lol), God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, RDR2, etc. kinda ruin other games for me because of how much detail they have. Like, the level of complex systems they have all working together in their engines that provide incredible levels of artistic detail and realistic/fluid gameplay puts sports games to shame. It's there where I wish sports games, specifically basketball games, had 5+ years to develop to that level.
Honestly would have thought that was a real life low res picture if I didn't know any better.
I’m ready.........let’s go !!!
When NBA 2k14 dropped it had the luxury of coming after 2K14 for the PS3/Xbox 360. Come on yo... That game didn't look all too great graphically even for its time. At the time the other basketball game was doing a much better job graphically than 2K was. So it's no surprise 2K14 blew our minds when that first trailer dropped.
This generation is about detail...insane amounts of detail. Which many people will look past and think this is a minor jump. Opinions are opinions of course, but the facts are that this is a big jump from what we played this generation. Weather it's the jump people were expecting differs from individual to individual. IMO this looks ridiculous.
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Gameplay wise, the clips shown seem to suggest that the some familiar animations (Hardaway's dunk) and similar AI defensive logic (Powell choosing to sit in the paint and not contest) may still be here; I find that unsurprising.
As a PC guy, I'm content to wait till 2K22 for PC to get its next-gen upgrade (plenty of season mods to keep me going till then), this trailer hasn't really convinced me to grab a next-gen console. I'm of the mind that this gen, especially considering the state of the world, is going to be a bit rougher at launch than usual for generational transitions.
I am curious as to what MyLeague improvements they made and very curious about the stadium/crowd atmosphere -- that Luka tunnel entrance was dope, but if the crowd is still as wonky/dead as it has been the past few years, than it's merely window dressing.
At the very least: for NBA 2K content creators, they'll have some incredible models to work with, which should make for very pretty videos.
Overall, I'm mildly impressed but very cautious -- we've all heard 2K promise things before and when you add in next-gen hype, sometimes things get out of hand.
Yea the graphics are better at least the faces are for sure; but you better check the last scene of the Curry in which one of GSW players is having a skate time, too. Well though it's 2k they gave national anthem pre game routines b4 and with more than this ofcourse they try to sell their game as a whole product so, the important parts for a game to be played will never be and understood from that kind of trailers.
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Just form your own opinion really is best lol
PS: To me, the most exciting thing about the Mark Cuban thing is that maybe that means there will be real front offices, at least wherever theyve been able to get permission (James Dolan will probably be “Joseph Dylan” or something...).
looks like a significant improvement to me.
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When NBA 2k14 dropped it had the luxury of coming after 2K14 for the PS3/Xbox 360. Come on yo... That game didn't look all too great graphically even for its time. At the time the other basketball game was doing a much better job graphically than 2K was. So it's no surprise 2K14 blew our minds when that first trailer dropped.
This generation is about detail...insane amounts of detail. Which many people will look past and think this is a minor jump. Opinions are opinions of course, but the facts are that this is a big jump from what we played this generation. Weather it's the jump people were expecting differs from individual to individual. IMO this looks ridiculous.
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At that time Live was getting ready to come back from a 4 year absence and put out one of the worst games graphically I’ve ever seen.
Not one game I've seen on next gen has made me wish I had a pre-order. Like I said this is the most underwhelming console transition. Possibly due to the times we're living in, but I can't see I feel like I'm gonna be missing out on anything.
BOOOOOOOOO! LOL! I hear you Sage whats good my brotha?
Maybe it's just me, but the lighting is that damn good. Players don't look like they're made out of putty anymore
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Truthfully, I don't think there's a single next-gen title that will "make you" go pre-order a console. Majority of the next-gen "launch titles" will be in 2021. Purchasing a next-gen console this early is more about the "little things" such as 4K resolution, ray tracing, FPS, load times, etc. When I got my X-Box One X for my 4KTV, I immediately saw the difference between it and my XBS. I'm just looking forward to my overall experience to get better with my current games and NBA 2K21.
Goffs you know I got nothing but love for you fam... but No. LOL.
Upgraded TV from an old school LCD to 4K HDR TV > then to a PS4 Pro > then to an OLED TV last year
I still playing 2K20 almost nightly and occasionally still have a "wow, I can't believe this looks that good" moment with it (especially, if I take a few days off from playing). I don't know if 2K21 will be the leap 2K14 was from PS3 to PS4... I kind of doubt that it will be, but with that said I can clearly see there's a difference in graphics.
Being an 80's kid who grew up playing the Atari, I still can't believe what we're seeing in video games today and I honestly don't know how much further they can push it graphics-wise. But I'm already getting that "80's Atari kid waiting on Christmas morning" feeling from seeing this and I can't wait to see it in person.
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Not to be a total buzzkill, but 2k still hasn’t fixed their player models. It looks like they used the same exact ones, and just gave them smaller waists and thinner legs. I’ve always tried pointing this out because it’s always really bothered me. Here are the legacy issues you can see in this pic.
1. Bodies not long enough. Most are about 6-10 inches too short.
2. Oversized heads. If you look at pc mods, that’s one of the first things they adjust.
3. Long torsos/short legs. Again, pc modders adjust this with their player model mods.
4. No butts. Players still have that weird kilt looking lower body.
I used to think it was impossible for them to improve player models due to their engine, but after playing on pc, I realized they just have to make certain adjustments. Shrink player heads, improve short physics and dimensions etc.
Lighting looks great, faces look great, atmosphere is the biggest jump. Love all the media personnel everywhere. But player models don’t look good. White ppl hair still looks last gen. And for the love of God,2k, fix the horrible “running back to the basket after scoring a basket” animation. Right when I saw that I knew it was basically a port with shinier graphics.
The lighting, the crowds, the facial expressions...DAWGGGG 😳
And I do think the leap here, is as great as the leap from PS3 to PS4.
Not to be a total buzzkill, but 2k still hasn’t fixed their player models. It looks like they used the same exact ones, and just gave them smaller waists and thinner legs. I’ve always tried pointing this out because it’s always really bothered me. Here are the legacy issues you can see in this pic.
1. Bodies not long enough. Most are about 6-10 inches too short.
2. Oversized heads. If you look at pc mods, that’s one of the first things they adjust.
3. Long torsos/short legs. Again, pc modders adjust this with their player model mods.
Sorry but this is absolutely ludicrous - anybody who has even a passing understanding of 3d graphics engines, game development, etc should realize how INSANE it is to say that they don't have the correct measurements for the models.. you think they can make this game but not know what an inch is? What numbers and math do you think programmers use?
If there's any differences it has to do with camera perspectives, not the model.. they are probably correct down to the millimeter.
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Not to be a total buzzkill, but 2k still hasn’t fixed their player models. It looks like they used the same exact ones, and just gave them smaller waists and thinner legs. I’ve always tried pointing this out because it’s always really bothered me. Here are the legacy issues you can see in this pic.
1. Bodies not long enough. Most are about 6-10 inches too short.
2. Oversized heads. If you look at pc mods, that’s one of the first things they adjust.
3. Long torsos/short legs. Again, pc modders adjust this with their player model mods.
4. No butts. Players still have that weird kilt looking lower body.
I used to think it was impossible for them to improve player models due to their engine, but after playing on pc, I realized they just have to make certain adjustments. Shrink player heads, improve short physics and dimensions etc.
Lighting looks great, faces look great, atmosphere is the biggest jump. Love all the media personnel everywhere. But player models don’t look good. White ppl hair still looks last gen. And for the love of God,2k, fix the horrible “running back to the basket after scoring a basket” animation. Right when I saw that I knew it was basically a port with shinier graphics.
No disrespect, but I'll never understand this "Well, the PC can do this, so should the console" mindset. If you don't like the console experience, then stick with the PC experience. I can somewhat understand chiming on the models if you absolutely don't own a PC, and you're offering feedback. I'm not an "art person", so I know that I historically never cared that much about the artwork, so my priorities are probably different for the game. However, I don't know too many games that have the human body model down to perfection.
I feel like that's the same thing people said about 2k14 and I remember it looking every bit as good as the trailers did. The trailer does also say captured from footage of a 2k21 build on playstation 5 console. When companies lie and enhance their trailers they usually don't say where the footage was captured from. Saying the footage was captured from a PS5 if it really wasn't would be blatant false advertisement that everyone would call out the moment the game releases.
This is how it should of looked on the PS4
Yeah you right. I got a Project Scorpio edition Xbox One X specifically for 4k HDR gaming. Though i notice all the details, the things I'm waiting to see is AI that isn't dumb, consistent physics, no clipping and other things that take me out of the experience.
I haven't seen evidence of that from this or any other game I'm interested in yet.
2k20 on PS4 Pro had frame rate issues for like the first few weeks of its release and you think they should be able to pull off these graphics on a PS4? Maybe if you don't mind a drop to 30fps but even that would be unrealistic with this level of detail.
Man some of y'all have extremely high expectations. These developers can't make miracles happen. They are still restricted to hardware limitations.
If there's any differences it has to do with camera perspectives, not the model.. they are probably correct down to the millimeter.
Lol. Are you new here ? 2k probably has height dimensions correct for all players, but their proportions are way off. Idk how you can’t see that. Fire up 2k20 and play with 2008 rockets. Please tell me Carl Landry’s head is of correct proportion. He looks like a bobble head doll in-game.
Idk why ppl are upset at me for pointing it out. I used to help madden and mlb show correct their uniforms all the time, using reference pictures instead of calling them “lazy” like a lot of ppl on here do. It’s all just constructive criticism.
2k more than likely mocaps with 3 or 4 people, I’m guessing guys who are about 6’2, and then they just make them bigger or smaller depending on which player they are creating. That’s why Manut Bol and mugsey Bogues have same body proportions, only one is just 5’3 and one is 7’7.
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Idk why ppl are upset at me for pointing it out. I used to help madden and mlb show correct their uniforms all the time, using reference pictures instead of calling them “lazy” like a lot of ppl on here do. It’s all just constructive criticism.
2k more than likely mocaps with 3 or 4 people, I’m guessing guys who are about 6’2, and then they just make them bigger or smaller depending on which player they are creating. That’s why Manut Bol and mugsey Bogues have same body proportions, only one is just 5’3 and one is 7’7.
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Probably because many of us don't play the game and go "Geez, Landry has a big *** head. 2K should fix that.". I watch only Pacers games, and I couldn't even BEGIN to tell you if the "proportions" are correct outside of the height and weight.
Not to be a total buzzkill, but 2k still hasn’t fixed their player models. It looks like they used the same exact ones, and just gave them smaller waists and thinner legs. I’ve always tried pointing this out because it’s always really bothered me. Here are the legacy issues you can see in this pic.
1. Bodies not long enough. Most are about 6-10 inches too short.
2. Oversized heads. If you look at pc mods, that’s one of the first things they adjust.
3. Long torsos/short legs. Again, pc modders adjust this with their player model mods.
4. No butts. Players still have that weird kilt looking lower body.
I used to think it was impossible for them to improve player models due to their engine, but after playing on pc, I realized they just have to make certain adjustments. Shrink player heads, improve short physics and dimensions etc.
Lighting looks great, faces look great, atmosphere is the biggest jump. Love all the media personnel everywhere. But player models don’t look good. White ppl hair still looks last gen. And for the love of God,2k, fix the horrible “running back to the basket after scoring a basket” animation. Right when I saw that I knew it was basically a port with shinier graphics.
Agreed on the models. This is something I'd like to see them re-do from ground up for future next-gen iterations; they look essentially the same as current gen where the body proportions are very off. Shadows, lighting and perhaps textures look improved.
I'll back people's plays until I see otherwise when it comes to gameplay/player model sizes/etc. but graphics? This looks crazy.
I mean...if player models don’t bother you, then why are you even responding to my post? I can’t have an opinion of my own? Player models bother a lot of ppl, as do jersey/court inaccuracies. If the pacers used a royal blue instead of navy or had the wrong colors or logo on their court, that wouldn’t annoy you?
A lot of the colors and jersey inaccuracies have been fixed because fans of the game speak up and offer reference pictures to help 2k. Next time, just move along if someone offers feedback that doesn’t align with your view of the game.
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The game looks good to me. Hoping for some good news about MyCareer tomorrow and hoping they really rebuilt it from the ground up. I don't want to see the same shoes ported over or the same lame colorways.
Wow. That's one of those things you can't fully appreciate while watching the trailer but when you see the screenshot you realize just how crazy the a detail is.
A lot of the colors and jersey inaccuracies have been fixed because fans of the game speak up and offer reference pictures to help 2k. Next time, just move along if someone offers feedback that doesn’t align with your view of the game.
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Maybe because I practice the concept "suspension of disbelief" when it comes to video games, because there are still some limitations when it comes to graphics. As long as it's reasonably close to real life, then I don't care. Feedback regarding face scans, jerseys, and court appearance doesn't bother me, but we start talking body proportion...The average NBA gamer is not looking that the closing at the models. I remember when there was a thread about the players' butts...their butts. That's doing too much.
No biggie...looking at the reddit comments, a lot of people seem to have been expecting COD:Moder Warfare cutscene graphics for the NBA 2K21.
This trailer is a showcase for graphical improvements and atmosphere. That's it.
They will most definitely be showing more videos that dig deeper into gameplay so let's maybe jump off a bridge then.
There is absolutely no context to this video but we are dissecting it to see if someone plays help defense or not.
If it turns out that the game is that way I'll grab a pitch fork and join you but the negative anticipation from this short trailer is crazy.
No biggie...looking at the reddit comments, a lot of people seem to have been expecting COD:Moder Warfare cutscene graphics for the NBA 2K21.
Again, next time, just move along. Don’t waste your energy. Thanks.
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This trailer is a showcase for graphical improvements and atmosphere. That's it.
They will most definitely be showing more videos that dig deeper into gameplay so let's maybe jump off a bridge then.
There is absolutely no context to this video but we are dissecting it to see if someone plays help defense or not.
If it turns out that the game is that way I'll grab a pitch fork and join you but the negative anticipation from this short trailer is crazy.
I’m chuckling so hard at the amount of cynicism in here. Someone really said it should have looked like this on PS4. OS is really like the land of Oz sometimes
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Naw...here you go.
https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-basketball/912956-nba-2k18-art-thread-hair-tattoos-body-type-new-accessories.html
You can have the thread renamed, and post your art impressions here. This was a VERY popular thread at one point, and it helped cultivate a lot of the artwork changes in NBA 2K.
Adjusted length of legs, size of head. Just to give you guys an idea of what I’m talking about.
If I were just to edit the proportions more to my liking, and use exact same in-game photo and lighting, it would look photorealistic. I guarantee it. But the player models are the give away right when you see them, it’s just more subconscious.
I am very impressed not only with lighting on the court, but also the lighting in the crowd. It will make the game feel much more alive with the detailed fans and media ppl.
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It's not just OS, lol. Everywhere people are absolutely nuts with some of their criticism and expectations. It can be disgusting at times the things I read. People can be absolutely spoiled and entitled.
Again just because I'm not impressed, doesn't mean it doesn't look great. It absolutely does, just not what I thought it would be. I still want to play it eventually, but I'm just not excited for this upcoming generation, yet.......
I've been around long enough that I understand it. People have their pet peeves about the game and that's what they look for each year. Body models has been a topic of discussion for a long while now so it makes sense that people are looking for big improvements in that area for next-gen. People also always have concerns about defense and AI in general.
I just look at it from a different perspective. I'd rather appreciate all the great things I see rather than be upset about some of the inconsistencies and negative areas. There will always be shortcomings. It kind of astonishes me that we are at the point with videogame graphics that people are critiquing the dimensions of player body models and it's a realistic expectation. I don't see an issue with people that present these flaws. If 2k listen it'll only make the product that much better in the long run.
This trailer is a showcase for graphical improvements and atmosphere. That's it.
They will most definitely be showing more videos that dig deeper into gameplay so let's maybe jump off a bridge then.
There is absolutely no context to this video but we are dissecting it to see if someone plays help defense or not.
If it turns out that the game is that way I'll grab a pitch fork and join you but the negative anticipation from this short trailer is crazy.
Same applies to positivity of anticipations out of a trailer in 2020.
Again likewise with no disrespect to your opinion.
Big Steve! That was definitely one of my favorite parts. As a life-long video game fan that part sparked that lil excitement in my belly like Jordan asking are you ready in 2k11 and The fun we all had with the demo of NBA 2K8. While I get all those who are expecting and wanting more I am grateful I can step away and still appreciate the little things I always hoped would be in the game.
Seeing this just makes me get so excited to see what MLB The Show 21 and other sports games will look like too. :)
And this is just the beginning just imagine what they will be able to do in a few more years when they can use all of the PS5 power!
Dapping up Cubes was also very on brand for Mark.
This trailer 100% blew me away. Im really looking forward to the upcoming gameplay and MyLeague blogs as well as (hopefully) getting my hands on this in November/December.
If transition defense, defensive rotations and late game A.I is still trash looking good won’t cut it for me no more.
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That intro was capped at 30fps for some reason, ruined it a little bit.
I thought it looked nice overall but I wasn't blown away.
Rosters can't be "outdated" if rosters IRL were never updated in the first place lol. Still in the current season in case everyone had forgotten. It's weird I know we should be weeks into the 2020-21 NBA season already.
NBA draft is 8 days after next-gen release
The atmosphere with all the extra people on the court though was great. Looked much closer to a real NBA broadcast.
The actual gameplay parts--they were..ehhh it is what it is. Like I said the framerate was really bad at points and I expected better animation tbh.
All in all I do not feel compelled to buy a new console this year.
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Another thing that hasnt been fixed/changed for like a decade now... the commentators. Why the hell is Greg Anthony and Clark Kellogg STILL in this game?!!!!! When was the last time either of them even did anything with the NBA?!!!!! The fact that they havent thrown the farm at Breen and/or Van Gundy is ridiculous. Main reason why I immediately turn off commentary audio as soon as I turn the game on.
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I'm pretty well versed in the 2k modding scene and have a powerful gaming pc and my game doesnt look like that trailer.
Another thing that hasnt been fixed/changed for like a decade now... the commentators. Why the hell is Greg Anthony and Clark Kellogg STILL in this game?!!!!! When was the last time either of them even did anything with the NBA?!!!!! The fact that they havent thrown the farm at Breen and/or Van Gundy is ridiculous. Main reason why I immediately turn off commentary audio as soon as I turn the game on.
Yeah, that looks crazy
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No seriously this looks good! I’m waiting a year to upgrade but it will be tough!
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And Jimmy Butler as well lol
Not to go all "in my day", but seeing where 2K came from Dreamcast to PS5 is remarkable to me. End of the day I can overlook little things to enjoy the full package. Just my 2 cents
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ESPECIALLY Westbrook. Even I got to admit that his facescan has been "off" for years.
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looks like a significant improvement to me.
It makes current gen look like 360/PS3 era lol
This is all the proof I need, the leap is a great one.
It looks absolutely phenomenal.
Bravo 2k.
I love the fluidity of the dunks by Dame and Zion.
Hurry up November
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I’m hoping the “Impact Engine” eliminates or significantly minimizes the Mario running and players running into each other in off-ball scenarios. It’s a glaring issues in 2k21 current gen
Coming next year we hope.
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Now if you can actually hit shots doing that Luka move with some regularity in 2K with some light contests, then man will some people be cryinggggg while I'll be giggling.
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Problem is, they likely didn't scan anyone given the current circumstances. Will probably be the same current-gen scans just upconverted.
Looks amazing so far!!
I never pay attention while I'm playing to crowd animations but did crowds in 2k20 rise to their feet in anticipation of dunks? Those are things I noticed right away as Zion and Dame rose up for dunks in that trailer. Some of those body types triggered slight PTSD for me reminding me of those 2k17 body types though (too skinny imo). I did not buy 2k21 in anticipation for this. I may make that investment to Series X after that trailer though.
I still don't know how some PC modders can create better Westbrooks than those getting paid to do so. Anyone 2k can't get in for scans should be created by these PC modders.
Even 2k PS4 looks better in front of me than YouTube .
And the video isn’t in hdr
Don't put that on the 14 year olds, they're not the one's who are jaded about games. It's a percentage of the 20, 30, 40, 50 years olds who are cynical AF.
Modders can make 2K9 look as good as this, they just don't want to make 2K's art team look bad.
Adjusted length of legs, size of head. Just to give you guys an idea of what I’m talking about.
If I were just to edit the proportions more to my liking, and use exact same in-game photo and lighting, it would look photorealistic. I guarantee it. But the player models are the give away right when you see them, it’s just more subconscious.
I am very impressed not only with lighting on the court, but also the lighting in the crowd. It will make the game feel much more alive with the detailed fans and media ppl.
Totally agree. While never being perfect, NBA 2K models took a hit in 2K17 and were never good after that. Big heads, short legs, thin waist, strange shoulders or all the above. Current gen LBJ looks like he is in junior high.
Good question. Coming from a PC modder myself it's probably an issue of resources and attention; because there is plenty of room to improve both the faces and body models.
No doubt eko. I have downloaded some modded legends like Iverson, Shaq, t-Mac, etc on 2k20 that put 2k's models to shame. Not to mention the countless current NBA players modders have updated to near perfection. I can't remember whether it was one of the Fallout games and/or Skyrim that allowed you to download some PC mods onto Xbox. If they could do that for those games I would think they could do that for this title??..Sorry for drifting off topic..