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MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode trade logic

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MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

The fifth Feature Premiere for MLB The Show 22 was the hotly anticipated franchise mode and Road to the Show presentation from SDS. Last week’s commentary and presentation Feature Premiere was well regarded and heavy on details, and there was hope the same would ring true today. On top of that, franchise mode has been taking body blows from the community the last couple years, with it only intensifying when some key features (year-to-year saves and Sounds of the Show) were left in the past. We knew year-to-year saves would remain out for ’22, so today was more about restoring some faith in the longer term outlook for franchise and MtO.

Coming out of the Feature Premiere, is faith restored? I don’t think it is at this point, but I think it’s fair to say we got more than we expected today. It’s just less than we wanted considering that — like commentary — The Show had fallen so far back that there was a lot of catching up to do. That said, there’s plenty to cover so let’s get to it.

MLB The Show 22 Franchise Mode

First off, no “features” were promised in the build up to this premiere — franchise mode was not even on the Feature Premiere schedule originally — so it should shock no one that a lot of “under the hood” stuff did end up being the focus here. If you came in with outsized expectations, that’s just setting yourself up to be bummed out. This is not me saying franchise mode shouldn’t have received more, but this was not some bait and switch on the part of SDS.

Player Metric 2.0

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode player metric

The developers started off by saying that Player Metric is not what determined trade logic, which I took as them trying to tell the community not to “hate” something they implemented just last year and blame it on the other parts of franchise mode that were lacking in logic. This was probably done because clearly SDS believes in this Player Metric concept and added to it this cycle. On top of that, it was SDS admitting that they know their trade logic was a hot mess last year.

In general, Player Metric seems to be best described as  the importance of X player to your team both in the present and future. It does not seem to go as deep as something more intangible like what X player means to the clubhouse, but it’s more like “how good is X player, and do we have any player that can do what he can do in the organization?”

As an example, Gleyber Torres was used as how much more the Player Metric can fluctuate within franchise mode now. In this example, Torres went from being very important coming into a season, but by the end of the year the Yankees had traded for another 2B (in part because Torres had a terrible year). By the offseason, the Yankees deemed Torres not worth his contract and he was DFA’d. This is perhaps a more extreme example, but the point is to showcase the multiple ways a player starts to mean less to an organization.

However, SDS did also point out that one year was being weighted too much in this metric (and that’s very true), so they have gone to a model that is weighted on a three-year cycle of stats (much like they do for rating players overall anyway so it just makes logical sense). On top of that, this also means some of your depth pieces at AAA will matter more now because, again, it seems the implication is that the team is more aware of the weaknesses and strengths within the totality of the organization.

Roster Logic Improvements

I want to skip ahead now in the Feature Premiere to roster logic because Player Metric seems to be what’s going to be the reason AI organizations do not sabotage themselves (assuming it works as intended). With Player Metric now weighting three-year stat totals and taking a wider look at the organization overall, the priorities of the AI teams should improve both in-season and during the offseason.

So if an organization is light on starting pitching, the organization should be less likely to leave a middling SP prospect unprotected in the Rule 5 draft. The same should apply to your 40-man roster overall and probably deciding between those last couple spots for players you might need just to get through the next season. The discussion around arbitration also applies here as I presume teams will be less likely to just DFA a player who is an important (but average) depth piece.

However, to use a Moneyball comparison, Player Metric seems to be something that is working in a Billy Beane sense of things rather than an Art Howe sense of things — at least how it was described. Your overall organization is going to be improved, but it doesn’t necessarily mean these players will always be used right. Nothing was called out that relates to lineup construction or bullpen logic. In other words, AI managers might still be going rogue and making a lot of boneheaded plays while AI GMs are bangin’ and clangin’ in the weight room.

Trade Logic Improvements

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode trade logic

That said, yes, trade logic was a straight up disaster last year. SDS more or less again admitted that by showing off a Juan Soto trade here for MLB The Show 22 since Soto was someone who was turned into a meme by the community because of how easy he was to snag from the Nationals in ’21. In this example, Soto was traded to the Yankees for two of the best five prospects in all of baseball. Would that be enough? I don’t know, but considering Soto would need a new contract and so forth, it’s probably in the ballpark.

This also brings to the table the weaknesses that still are going to exist in this system even if the logic is presumably improved.

  • There are no three-team trades
  • There are no cash considerations
  • There is no way to add more than three players to one side of the ledger

In other words, finding “fair value” is tricky because the more you expand the system to include more players/cash, the more the opportunity arises to screw the AI. However, the more limited it is, the more you can still end up with unfair trades because being constricted to 3-for-1 deals as the most you can do still creates gaps. Regardless, considering the fact that logic improvements were boasted about last year means I would not even take a “trust but verify” approach here. Instead, I would take a “hope but verify” approach and dig in once you get the game. We’re not expecting perfection, we just don’t want to see one-sided deals left and right.

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode

More components tying into this logic deal directly with the type of team you are. Contenders and rebuilding teams were tweaked again, so now actual contenders should be more likely to give up a bit more around the deadline to get that one last piece, while rebuilding teams are going to be less eager to give up players on long-term deals. In addition, rebuilding teams will give up players who will soon be free agents (on top of still looking for prospects overall).

Relief pitchers and closers getting their fair shake is another crucial change here because they simply were not respected in trades or in free agency. Teams now can put those players on the block and chase them, and they’ll be an important part of the mix in trades it seems. Another noted tweak was that a big free agent signing won’t just get immediately moved the next season, which just makes sense.

Free Agency/Offseason Improvements

MLB The Show 22 free agency

Beyond the aforementioned roster logic improvements that will also help out here, there was a general focus on making the free agency period more “realistic” in comparison to the real MLB. This starts with max contracts now being able to go to 15 years and have an AAV (average annual value) of $35M. Players will be more realistic in their expectations, and this means they’ll know their value if they’re coming off a great year (or string of great years) or sort of looking for that smaller contract to rebuild their value after a down year. This also means high-end relievers should no longer sign for peanuts.

However, the biggest change here (to me) seems to be that the free agent pool will no longer be littered with players as we go deeper into franchise mode. Teams ran out of money, and the progression system was messed up in such ways where free agents just started lingering out there. We did not get a lot on how progression was improved, so I’m going to assume it’s still not in a great spot — especially as it relates to older players falling off a cliff — but teams should have funds to sign guys at least.

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode improvements

This in part is happening because the whole organization is not taking up your budget now, just the 40-man roster (which is more true to real life). The CBT is basically the luxury tax, and SDS wanted to call out that it’s accurate (which is cool), but the bigger point is that teams should have more funds for players now. The market sizes were also updated, which should play into these pools of funds.

On top of that, free agency is still going to be more dynamic now because not all the top players are going to sign right in this frenzy at the start of the offseason. The lockout warped our perception a bit this year, but in general, MLB free agency has been slow going at times. So while players are certainly going to sign, players are not just going to settle out of the box. They will still end up on teams before the season begins, but you’ll need to do some risk-reward planning if you really want to wait out a player and see if he finally caves before the season starts.

Miscellaneous Improvements

MLB The Show 22 franchise mode

With Ohtani being on the cover, two-way player improvements had to be discussed. The key part for Ohtani is that he will recover pitcher stamina even if he plays DH or is out in the field on the days he’s not pitching. In addition, other players can have secondary two-way positions now, and if teams believe X player is the right person to be on the mound one day and then in the field the next, they will be out there.

When it comes to playoffs, four-man rotations will be a thing, and “workhorse” sorts of pitchers will now be able to effectively go out there in the playoffs and go on short rest. We did see a six-man rotation depth chart screen at one point, but since SDS did not talk about it, I assume it’s just there for spring training rather than the regular season.

Again, not much was said about progression on a broader scale (or the draft), but SDS did say from A ball all the way to MLB, there will be no more fake players. This means everyone in your organization should be either a current real minor league player or real MLB player. In addition, more effort was put into the top 150 prospects, their ages were made accurate this time around, and those players should be more respected both from a trade and progression standpoint.

Lastly, there is now a separate slider for injuries in played games vs. simulated games. On top of that, the transaction log now will be available for the entire season so you can go back to April and look at what transactions went down even when you’re now in September.

MLB The Show 22 March To October

MLB The Show 22 March to October

At the outset, I want to point out that it does feel like there’s a weird divergence beginning to occur here between MtO and franchise mode, but I do hope it ultimately ends up in a convergence of sorts. With March to October now going with a multi-season approach, this is no longer a more presentation-heavy season mode where you just play some of the games. It’s now just becoming another franchise mode. However, the franchise mode we already have isn’t great, so it’s obviously a bit weird to have another version of the mode.

I am not someone saying to stop creating either franchise mode or March to October, but it does seem in SDS’ best interest to make these two modes as good as they can be, and it certainly seems like that probably means they should be one and the same. You obviously want to be able to play all 162 games still (if you want) in this scenario, but I’m at that point where I want my franchise mode depth but also like this deeper form of free agency now coming to MtO — and would rather not have to play every inning of every game.

In short, the free agency system being added to MtO this year looks really cool, but it sure would be nice if I could have access to it in franchise mode as well.

Free Agency Overhaul

MLB The Show 22 March to October

So how this free agency system is going to work is based on how you set your priorities and then react to the changing marketplace. You have three general priority buckets, and from there you’ll set a couple “needs” either in the form of positional needs or general needs for certain types of players. Depending on the needs an priorities you set (you’re limited to just a couple for each of these buckets), you will get an initial boost with any players who fit those buckets.

March to October

This system will then play out over days and weeks as you hunt for acquisitions and engage in the rumor mill and last-ditch efforts to go for players. It has aspects of the old recruiting system from NCAA Football in that you can really try to focus in on certain players, but you’re not guaranteed to get them even if they’re your top priority. Meanwhile, while you were trying to lure this one particular player, a whole bunch of other guys might be coming off the board.

In addition, there is an even more “game-like” aspect where you have one “last chance” per offseason to try and sign a player on your big board. This event occurs when a player is about to sign elsewhere. You will have to go well above market value and make your pitch. This does not guarantee he will sign, but it does guarantee you will be able to make the best offer if you choose to do it.

March to the October Presentation

On top of that, the top free agents have a nice little anticipatory presentation aspect to them now where MtO basically steals the Diamond Dynasty diamond player walkouts and uses them when someone on your big board signs. It may or may not be your team who gets the player, but it’s cool to see this moment in the game so you can react with joy or sadness in the moment.

There’s a couple more smaller components here, but the point is that free agency is the biggest change to March to October this year. Other smaller changes include your ability to now be able to edit your jerseys and stadium. However, you still can’t go into MtO with a custom roster, which again showcases some of these weird split points being created between franchise and MtO.

Bottom Line

I think it’s fair to say SDS delivered more than most reasonable people expected. There’s no online franchise, custom draft classes, overhauled progression system, story elements, an expanded draft and so on, but it’s not nothing either. SDS does need to start adding big things to this area of the game, but we also need to see if MtO and franchise are going to continue to be these separate modes, or if perhaps we’re moving towards a system where both morph into one general all-purpose mode. If everything revealed today had been applicable to both MtO and franchise mode, it still probably would not have been enough to please everyone, but it would have been much closer to doing so. In either case, SDS has added developers to the franchise/MtO team, and there was clearly more commitment to the mode(s) this year than last year.

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  1. I see Brady House in the depth chart, wonder if they have draft pick scanned? Does anyone remember if recent draftees were on their day one roster last year?
    lemarflacco
    Ive been preaching about this TAbarnes acquisition forever now but people were dismissing it. Dude has showed up!!

    Yep for sure!! I am impressed and now the long 2 week wait
    jack1535
    Every year they say “logic” improves and every year it does not. Not gonna get excited at all rn
    Logic improvements should be expected annually. Last year their big improvements to the mode were logic improvements and an updated depth chart. The logic improvements turned out to be nothing worth writing home about.
    Hopefully this year the logic changes are much better when we get our hands on the game.
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    ninertravel
    Injuries sliders now for game and simulation!! yes!!! stop it guys I am gonna blow my load!! lol

    plz don't blow your load, friend.
    ninertravel
    Injuries sliders now for game and simulation!! yes!!! stop it guys I am gonna blow my load!! lol

    Are you an SDS plant? Nothings really exciting at all lol
    The Kid 24
    Man I was really hoping lineup logic and AI bullpen management would have been touched… Guess not.
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    Those are the two biggest issues plaguing the mode if you play the games out and dont simulate. Hopefully they've been touched, but if they haven't mentioned it, I would hold your breath.
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    jack1535
    Are you an SDS plant? Nothings really exciting at all lol

    Actually if you see my posts they usually have been negative as far as franchise goes..
    I am happy with what they have done today. and no need to complain at all
    Injury sliders is huge Stamina in post season fixed
    2 way players done right
    all real players no fake players including A ball.
    and I think I seen a screenshot with a 6 man rotation too
    How can I not be excited?
    canes21
    Those are the two biggest issues plaguing the mode if you play the games out and dont simulate. Hopefully they've been touched, but if they haven't mentioned it, I would hold your breath.
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    yes you are right it doesn't bother me because I control all the teams and manually fix it. and I don't mind doing that. but some prefer a 'set and forget'
    ninertravel
    Actually if you see my posts they usually have been negative as far as franchise goes..
    I am happy with what they have done today. and no need to complain at all
    Injury sliders is huge Stamina in post season fixed
    2 way players done right
    all real players no fake players including A ball.
    and I think I seen a screenshot with a 6 man rotation too
    How can I not be excited?

    Cause we have no idea if they did it right? They improved logic last year and it still wasn’t good
    Bullpen and lineup logic are the two things we didn't hear anything about. Hope they touched this a little but with seeing the work TA did this year, im confident they will get to it
    ninertravel
    OMG!!! they just said no fake players even A ball players are real>?????

    Really? Dang. I’m guessing someone had to put in some hours with the faces as they probably aren’t all scanned. Wonder if the CAP template was updated. This sounds really good.
    For so many people thinking we were getting nothing, I think this is a pretty good list of improvements.
    And they did say this is a foundation to build on for franchise in the future. So they are definitely not ignoring it. That is the best news of all imo.
    interesting changes to March to October but I don't see why they couldn't have these changes in Franchise tho. March to October should just be an extension of Franchise mode...but they've made it a stand alone / separate mode.
    edit: made this comment while watching the stream when they started discussing the updates to MTO...free agency, team/positional needs, etc.
    KnightTemplar
    Really? Dang. I’m guessing someone had to put in some hours with the faces as they probably aren’t all scanned. Wonder if the CAP template was updated. This sounds really good.

    They probably just used the caps the community made last year lol Maybe they'll have more of a nba 2k template where they constantly scan people in throughout the year. They added a bunch last year.
    KnightTemplar
    Really? Dang. I’m guessing someone had to put in some hours with the faces as they probably aren’t all scanned. Wonder if the CAP template was updated. This sounds really good.

    I did not see them say this
    jack1535
    Cause we have no idea if they did it right? They improved logic last year and it still wasn’t good

    'improved' means exactly what it is..... it never will be perfect. you know how in school if a teacher told you that you were 'improving' that means you were getting better at something doesn't mean you were a A class student
    PVarck31
    For so many people thinking we were getting nothing, I think this is a pretty good list of improvements.
    And they did say this is a foundation to build on for franchise in the future. So they are definitely not ignoring it. That is the best news of all imo.

    They did pretty much nothing. EA NHL completely overhauled their franchise mode in a year with probably a smaller team. Like someone in steam said these are patch notes.
    thekida
    interesting changes to March to October but I don't see why they couldn't have these changes in Franchise tho. March to October should just be an extension of Franchise mode...but they've made it a stand alone / separate mode.

    Everything mentioned in this thread thus far, are for Franchise mode.
    PVarck31
    For so many people thinking we were getting nothing, I think this is a pretty good list of improvements.
    And they did say this is a foundation to build on for franchise in the future. So they are definitely not ignoring it. That is the best news of all imo.
    Last year was them setting up the foundation for the future also. That's great if true. I'm not going to praise them for promises they've yet to deliver, though. As of right now, we've had multiple years in a row where the mode has received the bare minimum to it, basically.
    Logic changes being their main selling points tells us all we need to know about the state of the mode. They aren't only doing logic changes because the mode is so fleshed out there is nothing left to add to it. They're only doing logic changes because they're not doing anything major to the mode because it isn't their focus and that's been clear for years now.
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    lemarflacco
    They probably just used the caps the community made last year lol Maybe they'll have more of a nba 2k template where they constantly scan people in throughout the year. They added a bunch last year.

    Wouldn't be so bad if they did I guess the only issue here is if they lock it and you can't edit anyone or export them.
    I am sure though that they still have the rule of Vets that didn't play the the majors last year can't be in the game though so we will have to create them. but this cuts down on a lot of work if it is only that to worry about
    Really like what I’m hearing, improving how a player is valued with respect to team control, etc sounds great. Budget improvements, definitely excited for these updates
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    jack1535
    I did not see them say this

    Every player is real?
    They said it, I was commenting on if they had someone work on these faces. They certainly wouldn’t just release the game with some of the awful fake CAP faces that used to come with the game.
    I'm grappling with the fact that I've been a franchise guy my whole life, and now, I really don't care. At all. Sure, the mode got stagnant, but my love of baseball history and the addictive qualities of Diamond Dynasty have won me over 3 years running.
    So I can't flame franchise mode for my own metamorphosis, I guess. For those who are excited, good for you, and play ball!
    Forgotusername
    They did pretty much nothing. EA NHL completely overhauled their franchise mode in a year with probably a smaller team. Like someone in steam said these are patch notes.
    Lol nothing?!? Okay that's just nonsense
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    As someone that hasn’t bought the game the last year or two, do AI teams still use all 5 starting pitchers in the postseason or do they go to a 4 man rotation now?
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    countryboy
    Everything mentioned in this thread thus far, are for Franchise mode.

    Sorry I should have clarified...I made that comment as I was watching the stream when they are talking about the March to October improvements...where they proceeded to offseason after getting eliminated in playoffs...so the improvements to w/ free agency screen (priority/targets), team/positional needs, etc
    Yeah...THAT Guy
    As someone that hasn’t bought the game the last year or two, do AI teams still use all 5 starting pitchers in the postseason or do they go to a 4 man rotation now?
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    There are 4-man rotations and "workhorse" types who will have stamina more quickly for postseason.
    thekida
    Sorry I should have clarified...I made that comment as I was watching the stream when they are talking about the March to October improvements...where they proceeded to offseason after getting eliminated in playoffs...so the improvements to w/ free agency screen (priority/targets), team/positional needs, etc

    Oh my bad..I thought it was response to the thread.
    Agreed I'd like to see some of this migrate over.
    Extremely excited about these franchise changes. It looks like this mode is in good hands with TABarnes and hopefully it'll just get better moving forward.
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    Maybe that 6 man rotation I seen in franchise was just in spring training off season depth chart as it seems M2O still has the 5 man rotation? or is 6 man rotations only in franchise?
    Wondering how it can be done with the Angels with Ohtani
    during the MTO part of the stream..they talked about the team needs/positional needs screen that we all know.
    I feel there is an opportunity to merge these two screens together...e.g. when I select SP as a positional need..there should be a extra pop-out that let's me select power pitcher, finesse pitcher, etc. for non-pitchers, if I select LF, then options for power hitter, contact hitter, speed, etc. Instead it's a separate screen and limits you to 2 selections...even though you've selected up to 3 positional needs.
    ninertravel
    Wouldn't be so bad if they did I guess the only issue here is if they lock it and you can't edit anyone or export them.
    I am sure though that they still have the rule of Vets that didn't play the the majors last year can't be in the game though so we will have to create them. but this cuts down on a lot of work if it is only that to worry about

    Definitely, plus the fact that they balanced the roster and redid the potentials. This might be ootb ready. Maybe not ootb, but after the first big roster update like you said that adds those vets
    Forgotusername
    They did pretty much nothing. EA NHL completely overhauled their franchise mode in a year with probably a smaller team. Like someone in steam said these are patch notes.

    Im not sure many franchise fans wanted or needed a "complete overhaul", whatever that is.
    So in summary, a bunch of logic changes to the things around the periphery, but nothin about the actual roster/bullpen logic or god awful progression/regression system. No actual new features that I can see, other than some fairly Ohtani specific two way player stuff?
    Also, imagine actually putting a bullet point telling people prospects will now have the correct age. Lol
    BigOscar
    So in summary, a bunch of logic changes to the things around the periphery, but nothin about the actual roster logic or god awful progression/regression system. No actual new features that I can see, other than some fairly Ohtani specific two way player stuff?
    Also, imagine actually putting a bullet point telling people prospects will now have the correct age. Lol

    This would be an incorrect summation of things in total, but some of what you have here is correct.
    Wait they really said wont be fake players in release day rosters?
    So does that mean guys like Eric Thames, Anibal Sanchez, etc who didnt play last year… Will be there day one?
    If true, I cant imagine they would have face scans tho.
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    The Kid 24
    Wait they really said wont be fake players in release day rosters?
    So does that mean guys like Eric Thames, Anibal Sanchez, etc who didnt play last year… Will be there day one?
    If true, I cant imagine they would have face scans tho.
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    The implication seemed to be no more "fake" players anywhere. So if Sanchez or Thames aren't in the MLBPA or minors pool for some reason, I assume they won't be in the game.
    Only things I really wanted were real minor league players, fixes to awful bullpen and lineup logic, fixes to playoff logic, 2 way players not getting tired and staying tired, fixes to game times (everything was a day game last year for certain teams) and a bit more immersion in terms of storylines (probably not a realistic request). Seems they hit a few so can't really complain.
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    Honestly? I am actually very impressed with the new additions and under the hood improvements to Franchise mode. Wow. This may change things for me a bit. I don't think I am ready to give up '20 because of all my Historical and Fictional Franchises. But right now I could see picking up '22 for playing Current Rosters and having some fun with it. Nice work.
    Have not watched the MTO part yet.
    Very happy with what I heard and surprised they gave franchise more attention then we thought
    And no fake players out the box so rosters will be playable day 1. He said people would be very happy.
    mthsgrg32
    It almost feels like OOTP. The overlays are definitely from OOTP.

    If you’ve ever played OOTP, it definitely doesn’t almost feel like OOTP lol.
    But pleasantly surprised with the changes. I’m in.
    The Kid 24
    Wait they really said wont be fake players in release day rosters?
    So does that mean guys like Eric Thames, Anibal Sanchez, etc who didnt play last year… Will be there day one?
    If true, I cant imagine they would have face scans tho.
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    yes but those missing Vets I doubt will still be allowed to be in the game who didn't play in Majors last year. but that is less work to create players I guess just a pain in the arse to sim fake Career stats to
    kill rookie status.
    Also doubt any Korean and Japan players will be in the game.. like that Cubs player that just signed. but that easier to create as they will be rookies.
    TheBleedingRed21
    If you’ve ever played OOTP, it definitely doesn’t almost feel like OOTP lol.
    But pleasantly surprised with the changes. I’m in.

    What I mean stats wise.
    I didn’t see anything about injuries in MTO ! I like the changes to MTO but managing a season or even now multiple seasons without having to deal with injuries is really not realistic.
    TripleCrown
    I didn’t see anything about injuries in MTO ! I like the changes to MTO but managing a season or even now multiple season without having to deal with injuries is really not realistic.

    I am sure they will have injuries. Did they not last year? i did not mess with it too much
    The additions actually look pretty good. The March to October free agency looks great.
    Can you just play endless seasons in M2O? Or is it limited to how many seasons you can go through?
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    JoshC1977
    I truly have no words, I loved everything they rolled-out this stream.
    It is going to be a very long 2 weeks.....

    It usually feels more real when that pre load is done and I feel like a kid waiting for Xmas day that last week. they sold me this year. I can't wait.
    I'm really trying to finish out my current franchise but ..... its not easy knowing we're just two weeks away after seeing these improvements. Looks like April 1st is going to be a "sick day" from work.
    Sent from my thoughts
    I now know to disregard the chat during these streams.
    Literally had Franchise players talk about about how bad offline Franchise mode is, and how it needs work, and at the same time they want SDS to bring back the online version of that very same thing that they're vocal about being bad offline.
    Make it make sense.
    ninertravel
    yes but those missing Vets I doubt will still be allowed to be in the game who didn't play in Majors last year. but that is less work to create players I guess just a pain in the arse to sim fake Career stats to
    kill rookie status.
    Also doubt any Korean and Japan players will be in the game.. like that Cubs player that just signed. but that easier to create as they will be rookies.

    So I didnt buy 2021, which I guess was first year of the no carry over saves, and I guess that matters for these missing players? Can someone answer whether, due to his status last year and starting this year on 60 day DL, if Mike Soroka will be missing from the rosters? And if he has to be added in, does that mean he would not have his career stats? That's almost a deal breaker alone for me lol. Silly, but as a braves fan, he is a big deal for me.
    Roadracefan95
    So I didnt buy 2021, which I guess was first year of the no carry over saves, and I guess that matters for these missing players? Can someone answer whether, due to his status last year and starting this year on 60 day DL, if Mike Soroka will be missing from the rosters? And if he has to be added in, does that mean he would not have his career stats? That's almost a deal breaker alone for me lol. Silly, but as a braves fan, he is a big deal for me.

    Soroka will be there because he was on the 40 man roster
    Well ok then. Just finished the MTO part. Even that has me more interested in the mode than ever before. I mess with it the first year it was implemented, played one season and never touched it again. Now I am intrigued and willing to give it more of a shot. They did a lot this year. Credit is due to the Devs. Really impressed this year.
    natethebestever
    Did they add force win so we can have realistic season then the playoffs ?
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    Can you explain what this means, not understanding how force wins works or the benefit of it
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    Willis135
    Can you explain what this means, not understanding how force wins works or the benefit of it
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    think madden you can actually sim and chose if the home or away team wins it and it generates a win for who you chose to force the win for that team
    So i was impressed with all of the things they have addressed in franchise. They presented it well. Was that really T barnes in the stream? Pretty cool. That being said Bullpen logic is so bad for years now and no mention of that and ya great slider injury
    add except if its the same exact injury system names and types/lengths then that sucks. But im really curious did you notice that Freemans contract was only showing him asking for 4yrs at 13.5 m per yr...thats not even close to realistic for his caliber..is this only cuase MTO has different budgets? They elaborated how much work they did with budgets to show currebt baseball trends/markets they say but e en Rizzo got 16m per year and hes not on the same level as Freemans thats odd. Does the game still not see the difference of player levels?Cuz that would mean if this is the way it is the big names like freeman dont have actual contracts realistic to start with OOB which would mean changing them which in turn may effect the new systems accuracy. T barnes was up on all that so im sure it was discussed. I really was impressed though from there words and effort in what they say theyve done.
    Did they finally add a rotating schedule so i dont play the same interleague teams every year? I'm tired of putting in hours on a fictional draft class but never getting to see them in action cause my AL team never play the dbacks for example.
    Speaking of draft, did they fix it at all? Weird facial hair, body composition, awful attributes and potential etc? Or am i really going to have to edit almost 100 players every off season again?
    Also, very very minor request but i would love it if they brought back the little green "R" icon for rookies. It's nice to see who's a rookie in a team's lineup or rotation.
    StarzNBarz
    Did they finally add a rotating schedule so i dont play the same interleague teams every year? I'm tired of putting in hours on a fictional draft class but never getting to see them in action cause my AL team never play the dbacks for example.
    Speaking of draft, did they fix it at all? Weird facial hair, body composition, awful attributes and potential etc? Or am i really going to have to edit almost 100 players every off season again?
    Also, very very minor request but i would love it if they brought back the little green "R" icon for rookies. It's nice to see who's a rookie in a team's lineup or rotation.
    Next year the mlb schedule changes so I doubt they'd spend time on that this year.
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    ninertravel
    Soroka will be there because he was on the 40 man roster

    That is a huge relief! Could you explain a bit more if you don't mind? He wasn't on 40 man all year last year I don't think, because he was taken off when placed on DL. Now he's already been placed on 60 day IL this year, (which I guess means prior to that he was on 40 man) so I'm just trying to figure out how he makes it. What are the criteria that makes a player not be included exactly?
    Not arguing at all here,, just trying to figure it out, because if he's not on this year's game, I'm considering getting 2021 instead and simming the first year to catch up. Would feel a little hollow, but so would not having him to bring in at mid-season this year, with his career stats there.
    ninertravel
    think madden you can actually sim and chose if the home or away team wins it and it generates a win for who you chose to force the win for that team
    Yeah thats exactly what madden has, so you can force your way in to the playoffs of you only want to play playoffs.
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    Loved a lot of the quality of life changes and am pretty exicted. Did they say anything about fixing the day game bug/error for the 6 or so teams that ended up playing about 80% day games?
    tytyboogie
    So i was impressed with all of the things they have addressed in franchise. They presented it well. Was that really T barnes in the stream? Pretty cool. That being said Bullpen logic is so bad and the whole slotted system bo mention of that and ya great slider
    add ezcept if its the same exact injury system names and types/lengths then that sucks. But im really curious did you notice that Freemans contract was only showing him asking for 4yrs at 13.5 m per yr...thats not even close to realistic for his caliber..is this only cuase MTO has different budgets? They elaborated how much work they did with budgets to show currebt baseball trends/markets they say but e en Rizzo got 16m per year and hes not on the same level as Freemans thats odd. Does the game still not see the difference of player levels?Cuz that would mean if this is the way it is the big names like freeman dont have actual contracts realistic to start with OOB which would mean changing them which in turn may effect the new systems accuracy. T barnes was up on all that so im sure it was discussed. I really was impressed though from there words and effort in what they say theyve done.

    Responding to the bolded part (side note paragraphs are your friend my dude):
    I am actually glad that someone else noticed this and I actually think it's a good thing based on what they mentioned about the player metric. First off you need to remember that they ran a simulation of the 2022 season, so that offseason is actually the 2022-23 offseason. In this sim Freddie Freeman was not on a team since they haven't updated the rosters yet (don't worry I am sure he will be on the Dodgers at launch). So he is coming off a season in which he played zero games. In previous versions of the game he probably still would have signed a big deal because his OVR rating was still pretty high, but thanks to the player metric he is forced to take a much smaller deal.
    Now I think it would be a bit more realistic that he would take a 1-year prove-it type deal instead of a 4-year deal, but I think this is the logic improvement they were talking about
    I thought what they presented for Franchise was pretty solid. Maybe I am reaching, but it seems like the trade metric stuff could feed into better progression/regression logic and lineup logic down the road. Possibly better bullpen logic as well.
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    skszp
    They said trade logic was improved and then had the Mariners offering George Kirby for Josh Bell.

    I didn’t look closely but maybe was that because josh bells performance was low and they couldn’t get much for him? I mean none of those players or prospects that were offered for him were household names but maybe the logic for this trade was so crazy it sounds unbelievable? My only thought
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    Roadracefan95
    That is a huge relief! Could you explain a bit more if you don't mind? He wasn't on 40 man all year last year I don't think, because he was taken off when placed on DL. Now he's already been placed on 60 day IL this year, (which I guess means prior to that he was on 40 man) so I'm just trying to figure out how he makes it. What are the criteria that makes a player not be included exactly?
    Not arguing at all here,, just trying to figure it out, because if he's not on this year's game, I'm considering getting 2021 instead and simming the first year to catch up. Would feel a little hollow, but so would not having him to bring in at mid-season this year, with his career stats there.

    he was on the disabled list but was on the 40 man roster before the season started. so that is fine
    Someone like Thames didn't play at all in the Majors last year and wasn't on any 40 man roster so he can't be in the game this year till he has a MLB at bat. as part of the MLBPA (think the lockout Soroka was locked out Thames wasn't) so that is why he would not be added in a roster update till mid to late April. (assuming he makes the As team)
    ninertravel
    Maybe that 6 man rotation I seen in franchise was just in spring training off season depth chart as it seems M2O still has the 5 man rotation? or is 6 man rotations only in franchise?
    Wondering how it can be done with the Angels with Ohtani

    The 6th person on the starting pitching depth chart screen is the top minor league pitching prospect. Just like in 21.
    DirtBallNation
    I didn’t look closely but maybe was that because josh bells performance was low and they couldn’t get much for him? I mean none of those players or prospects that were offered for him were household names but maybe the logic for this trade was so crazy it sounds unbelievable? My only thought
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    Kirby's one of the top prospects in baseball. BA has him at #12. Seattle doesn't need a 1B at all. Seems like the logic just isn't there.
    Funkycorm
    The 6th person on the starting pitching depth chart screen is the top minor league pitching prospect. Just like in 21.

    Yep you are right I re-watched the video
    A shame.. oh well just have to manually fix teams like the Angels and Seattle who use 6 man rotations.. it looks like expanded rosters will happen in April too so I can see more teams using 6 man rotations this year too.
    skszp
    They said trade logic was improved and then had the Mariners offering George Kirby for Josh Bell.

    I said it in the article that it will be a "hope but verify" approach to take to this stuff rather than "trust but verify" for it. That said, it was already mentioned, we are going to see some wonky stuff in these pre-release sims still due to the lockout and players either not being on teams or having been off teams a whole year and so forth. This doesn't apply to Bell, but just saying I'm not going to go too crazy one way or the other for now.
    skszp
    Kirby's one of the top prospects in baseball. BA has him at #12. Seattle doesn't need a 1B at all. Seems like the logic just isn't there.

    They had the Cardinals offering Liberatore, who is their best pitching prospect. While it might be improved, it’s definitely still not perfect.
    jcar0725
    Next year the mlb schedule changes so I doubt they'd spend time on that this year.
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    Wow. Just read up on that. I totally missed it. Each team will play each other in the regular season for 2023 and beyond. Thats cool. Thank you!
    Honestly, there’s always room for franchise to be improved but what they rolled out with this year, seems to be much more than what they offered last year so I’ll take it. I was really hoping we’d get more insight on roster transactions/spring training roster improvements but it is what it is. The big thing to me was the off season roster work and the trade block logic. That should be a lot of fun to see. But I hope this new player logic with team control and all the factors, end up working out and we don’t find a bug that shoots everything down.
    Side note, someone mentioned it. Everyone calls the franchise community toxic, that stream chat was terrible just to see people’s reaction who could give two ****s about franchise.
    All in all, I’m in this year… again… after saying I’d be sitting this year out because there was no prior mention of franchise… well, I should’ve been more patient.
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    I like what I heard about improving the logic. I know all the franchise dev teams say it every year but it really matters to me. I know that a game will never account for all the real life variables of pro sports. Its impossible. As long as the CPU team logic isn't off the rails then I'm good. Not that I was super blown away but I am a franchise head so I just preordered. I'm ready for baseball.
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    ChrisUCLA
    Loved a lot of the quality of life changes and am pretty exicted. Did they say anything about fixing the day game bug/error for the 6 or so teams that ended up playing about 80% day games?

    Can you explain this one? Which teams? All throughout a franchise, it was almost all day games for certain teams every year?
    skszp
    Kirby's one of the top prospects in baseball. BA has him at #12. Seattle doesn't need a 1B at all. Seems like the logic just isn't there.

    Yeah, I get that. Just trying to hold optimism on the logic. Maybe something we didn’t see, was an injury situation forcing the Mariners hand at needing a 1st baseman as they were having a great year? I know I’m likely thinking too far ahead but honestly, I’m just hoping for the best possible thing lol not trying to argue with you
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    Roadracefan95
    Can you explain this one? Which teams? All throughout a franchise, it was almost all day games for certain teams every year?
    I believe it was the Dodgers, Giants and Red Sox. Most of their home games were day games in MLBTS for some reason
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    I really think the offseason free agent stuff in MTO seems fun. That would be a cool feature in franchise. I didn’t see any trades in the offseason in MTO. I was hoping they would have allowed custom rosters and had injuries. Especially since they added the sim injury slider.
    I was really pleased on the upgrades in franchise. I like how they said they been working on some of that for two years. So they do have a plan and a direction to go.
    This was not a quick add or update to franchise to make us happy.
    I like how they tested it and had Barnes test it. They knew what we were seeing and hopefully fixed it.
    With the trade logic for Josh Bell going to Seattle. That was the 2022-2023 offseason and Bell could have had an awesome year. And the Mariners only have Ty France right? Maybe for them it was an upgrade.
    GamingCeo27
    I am sure they will have injuries. Did they not last year? i did not mess with it too much

    I’m 99% certain it wasn’t. Hope it’s in this year. If so, I’ll give a serious shot at MTO for sure.
    Of course they gave franchise players, who have been expecting little or nothing in the way of updates, lots of updates and possible improvements and people still nitpick what was not changed. It may not be perfect but at least in my opinion any forward momentum is better than no momentum.
    I was pretty interested in the multi year March to October. If I want to do a full season of franchise, one where I sim the majority of the games, then I will do that in OOTP. So the more streamlined March to October could pull me in.
    I am very excited about this year's game and franchise mode going forward. SDS just spent 43 minutes of the feature premiere on core improvements to franchise mode. It appears tBarnes helped change more to the mode in 6 months than SDS did in the previous 5 years. If everything works correctly I will no longer feel the need to use 30 team control. I pre-ordered the game immediately after watching the premiere tonight.
    These logic improvements look and sound good to me. Time will tell how they will play out on release day with different rosters.
    Sounds like the Day 1 roster might be franchise ready (unless there’s a lot of MLB Veterans missing). With accurate ages and ratings for prospects.
    The MTO section really intrigued me with the off-season system. My biggest gripe with off-seasons in franchise mode is like they said players would sign with other teams without giving you a chance. I like the positional needs and target system that allows you to gain interest other than throwing more money and year at a player hoping they sign.
    TBarnes clearly made his mark and this is a good foundation.
    I was really hoping for improved scouting, progression/regression and bullpen logic but seems like that’s not gonna be in this year.
    As someone who plays a lot more than I sim because of the poor logic, maybe I’ll run a secondary franchise and mess around with some long term rebuilds.
    Also no mention of expanded playoffs???
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    bryanm1982
    I really think the offseason free agent stuff in MTO seems fun. That would be a cool feature in franchise. I didn’t see any trades in the offseason in MTO. I was hoping they would have allowed custom rosters and had injuries. Especially since they added the sim injury slider.
    I was really pleased on the upgrades in franchise. I like how they said they been working on some of that for two years. So they do have a plan and a direction to go.
    This was not a quick add or update to franchise to make us happy.
    I like how they tested it and had Barnes test it. They knew what we were seeing and hopefully fixed it.
    With the trade logic for Josh Bell going to Seattle. That was the 2022-2023 offseason and Bell could have had an awesome year. And the Mariners only have Ty France right? Maybe for them it was an upgrade.

    Yeah I agree with most of this.
    As for the Bell/Kirby trade that people keep bringing up, there are a few things here:
    1. If their player metric really works like they say it does, then cherry picking one trade from a video with out any context (how was each team playing, how were the players performing) really doesn't tell us anything about the logic.
    2. Teams make weird trades all the time. I'm pretty confident the Reds got fleeced for the value they gave up in the Winker/Suarez trade the other day. So as long as the bad trades are somewhat rare and at least somewhat explainable I am fine.
    3. Trade logic is something that no sports game has mastered. Not that this means the Show deserves a pass, because IMO they have still been behind the times compared to those other games, but this stuff is much harder to get right than a lot of people realize
    Overall I think I have calmed down a bit from being so excited from the stream. It was definitely awesome, but there are still a few things that don't seem like they have been touched (drafting/scouting being one of them). I really do think this a solid improvement over the foundation they laid last year, so hopefully they keep improving each year. TABarnes really did kind of go to bat for some common community requests which is awesome. I think there's more good stuff to come while he is on the dev team
    ChaseB
    There are 4-man rotations and "workhorse" types who will have stamina more quickly for postseason.

    Excellent. If the stuff they showed today actually works the way it should, I think this might be enough for me to finally move on from my beloved franchise that I had been carrying over for so long.
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    I think they did a bit more this year for franchise. I know the whole saying if you celebrate crumbs then you'll only get crumbs part that people are discussing but for me I skipped 21 and I just pre ordered 22.
    skszp
    They said trade logic was improved and then had the Mariners offering George Kirby for Josh Bell.

    And the Blue Jays we’re offering Gabriel Moreno for him as well.
    Still I’m slightly encouraged.
    I have to say, more than I expected, definitely not all we wanted. But of course I knew we weren't going to be close to what I wanted. But considering this wasn't even originally on the schedule I'm pleased with what we heard.
    My only disappointment is how much more it appears MTO got. I liked some of what they showed for that mode but definitely not nearly enough to make me want to play it. All it did was make me wish they'd put more of that energy into Franchise. Or at least figured out how to share some of the features like the free agent announcement videos.
    Well hopefully they worked on trade and roster logic for this cycle and took their time to make sure they do it right. Maybe this cycle they’ll start working on scouting logic and other logic. So maybe the plan or direction is to work on logic for the next year or two. They kept saying foundation.
    If you look at this launch overall, SDS really knocked this out of the park if you take all what they gave us. Gameplay, announcers, presentation, and improved logic. It was really aimed for offline users.
    thescoop
    I have to say, more than I expected, definitely not all we wanted. But of course I knew we weren't going to be close to what I wanted. But considering this wasn't even originally on the schedule I'm pleased with what we heard.
    My only disappointment is how much more it appears MTO got. I liked some of what they showed for that mode but definitely not nearly enough to make me want to play it. All it did was make me wish they'd put more of that energy into Franchise. Or at least figured out how to share some of the features like the free agent announcement videos.

    I agree. I wish that stuff was in franchise as well. Even the position and team needs would be a really good benefit in franchise.
    jcar0725
    Next year the mlb schedule changes so I doubt they'd spend time on that this year.
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    Keep expectations low the rotating schedules were around for years and never addressed
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    Really excited for the updates to franchise. Any idea if the off-season stuff they showed in MTO will be in franchise? Loved the MTO off season
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    HustlinOwl
    Keep expectations low the rotating schedules were around for years and never addressed
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    I certainly am not a game designer, but I feel MLBs new schedule will actually be easier to implement than a rotating interleague schedule.
    3 game series vs everybody in the other league. Alternate home team every year.
    Seems easier than figuring out a rotating division to play each year.
    eric7064
    I certainly am not a game designer, but I feel MLBs new schedule will actually be easier to implement than a rotating interleague schedule.
    3 game series vs everybody in the other league. Alternate home team every year.
    Seems easier than figuring out a rotating division to play each year.
    Most likely yeah.
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    jcar0725
    Most likely yeah.
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    The only potential I see is the actual rotating of home vs away against the interleague games. If they can actually make year 2 switch them.
    Honestly this seems like a lot of blowing smoke to me. Whenever SDS talks about logic improvements, I get the same feeling I got back when I used to play the NHL series and every year the devs would go into a deep dive about how goalies have been fixed only to get hands on the game and find out barely anything has changed and goalies are still meaningless and broken.
    Even if it's all true though, I don't really see the point of these changes without expanded rosters, expanded trades, and a new progression/regression system. This improved logic stuffed into the current system is just going to create an even more frustrating quagmire of hitting roadblocks, limitations, and exploits of the mode itself that aren't present in real life.
    It's like starting to write a book by making the binding glue first.
    lemarflacco
    Ive been preaching about this TAbarnes acquisition forever now but people were dismissing it. Dude has showed up!!

    He pointed out a lot of ways franchise could be improved last year. I remeber his comments on this thread about salaries and logic issues.
    Glad he's a part of the team now
    TheWarmWind
    Honestly this seems like a lot of blowing smoke to me. Whenever SDS talks about logic improvements, I get the same feeling I got back when I used to play the NHL series and every year the devs would go into a deep dive about how goalies have been fixed only to get hands on the game and find out barely anything has changed and goalies are still meaningless and broken.
    Even if it's all true though, I don't really see the point of these changes without expanded rosters, expanded trades, and a new progression/regression system. This improved logic stuffed into the current system is just going to create an even more frustrating quagmire of hitting roadblocks, limitations, and exploits of the mode itself that aren't present in real life.
    It's like starting to write a book by making the binding glue first.

    I couldn't see if we had more roster slots. they did say A ball players wouldn't be fake though. but I was trying to see any glimpse if it was still at 93 in hope that maybe they gave us 7 more class A players to 100. but none of the roster screens would show me anything
    Very good stuff from them, A lot more for Franchise then I thought would be. I think one thing we are learning is sometime in the future March to October and Franchise will become one. Long as they still allow you play all games and offer 30 team control, I am fine with it.
    ninertravel
    I couldn't see if we had more roster slots. they did say A ball players wouldn't be fake though. but I was trying to see any glimpse if it was still at 93 in hope that maybe they gave us 7 more class A players to 100. but none of the roster screens would show me anything

    There was a mention of 92 or 93 players.
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    Karle
    It is good that all the players are real, but what does this mean for those creating historic teams or rosters by editing players? Will this still be possible?
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    It should be just fine....I doubt if all of the players are face-scanned - so it should be pretty straightforward like always....they just don't have generic "filler" guys at the back-end of each team's roster.
    ninertravel
    I couldn't see if we had more roster slots. they did say A ball players wouldn't be fake though. but I was trying to see any glimpse if it was still at 93 in hope that maybe they gave us 7 more class A players to 100. but none of the roster screens would show me anything

    They mentioned 93 man rosters when they were talking about the new budgets only counting the 40 man rosters. They said instead of all 93 players.
    GamingCeo27
    Very good stuff from them, A lot more for Franchise then I thought would be. I think one thing we are learning is sometime in the future March to October and Franchise will become one. Long as they still allow you play all games and offer 30 team control, I am fine with it.

    It does feel like that's the way they are leaning. But it could also remain two seperate modes. I will say that it feels like in terms of UI changes, MTO is getting more attention. Some of the FA period stuff in MTO is cool. I like how it's streamlined in that mode and how you can set what priorities to target.
    I wouldn't play MTO serriously until custom rosters are an option though. I also am not sure how I feel about that "Guaranteed Acceptance" thing where you ensure a FA signs with your team. Yes, I recognize that you're only allowed 1 and that you're overpaying relative to asking price/market value, but the concept of it rubbed me wrong initially.
    This is an in season tuning update promoted as a foundation for future updates. They said this last year too and look how that worked out.
    ZERO FRANCHISE specific features were added. Playoff rotation should have been in the game long ago. You still can’t relocate or realign the league. Still no coaching carousel or even coaching staff that you can hire and fire and no front office either. It’s a shell of a mode but not as horrible as Madden yet. In the next few years the mode will be eliminated.
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    Ragnar84
    This is an in season tuning update promoted as a foundation for future updates. They said this last year too and look how that worked out.
    ZERO FRANCHISE specific features were added. Playoff rotation should have been in the game long ago. You still can’t relocate or realign the league. Still no coaching carousel or even coaching staff that you can hire and fire and no front office either. It’s a shell of a mode but not as horrible as Madden yet. In the next few years the mode will be eliminated.

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    No it won't
    Cycloniac
    It does feel like that's the way they are leaning. But it could also remain two seperate modes. I will say that it feels like in terms of UI changes, MTO is getting more attention. Some of the FA period stuff in MTO is cool. I like how it's streamlined in that mode and how you can set what priorities to target.
    I wouldn't play MTO serriously until custom rosters are an option though. I also am not sure how I feel about that "Guaranteed Acceptance" thing where you ensure a FA signs with your team. Yes, I recognize that you're only allowed 1 and that you're overpaying relative to asking price/market value, but the concept of it rubbed me wrong initially.

    Very true, I was blown away when they had Blake T walk up and it showed who he picked. It was almost like watching college football decision day with the hats. Someone had told me its easier to update MTO as its on newer code then Franchise. Not sure if that was accurate just what I had read somewhere. I would like to see them keep both as I play both. I usually play with my Mets in Franchise and choose another team for MTO to mess with like maybe this year the Blue Jays
    Listening to the premiere again one thing I caught this go round that I missed previously was Tbarnes mentioning how Gleybar Torres had two consecutive down years and his player rating dropping so far that the Yankees traded for 2nd baseman during the season and then non tendered Torres in the offseason.
    He mentioned player metrics as a reasoning for this. I say that to say that while it wasn’t addressed head on, it seems this new 3 year weighted player metric may have an impact on player progression/regression.
    At least that is the context in which I took it
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    Ragnar84
    This is an in season tuning update promoted as a foundation for future updates. They said this last year too and look how that worked out.
    ZERO FRANCHISE specific features were added. Playoff rotation should have been in the game long ago. You still can’t relocate or realign the league. Still no coaching carousel or even coaching staff that you can hire and fire and no front office either. It’s a shell of a mode but not as horrible as Madden yet. In the next few years the mode will be eliminated.
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    Disagree that it will be eliminated. I think we as gamers always want to pick apart the negative. Lets look at the positive there was a lot of it this year. I mean they could have not touched it at all. I know everyone wants it to be like OOTP and have every feature in the world but that would take so much code work on a game that is also about graphics. Could you image how much work OOTP would need to put in if they wanted to add MLB style graphics to their game? And doing into for rosters of 9000 players.
    After some additional reflecting I think I am going to sit tight on 22. With the schedule changes coming to MLB next year I'm going to wait until 23 before I pick up a new version to dive deep from franchise perspective. Having the new schedule in place will do a lot,for me, from a franchise perspective.
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    I also don’t think it can be stressed enough how great it is not having fake players on the rosters out of the box.
    Means as soon as the game fully installs I’m starting spring training
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    countryboy
    I also don’t think it can be stressed enough how great it is not having fake players on the rosters out of the box.
    Means as soon as the game fully installs I’m starting spring training
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    Not a big deal but I wonder what they are going to use for salaries for the arbitration players that haven't had their arbitration cases yet. I read that they will be held during the season. Wondering if they would just use the previous year's or use an estimate.
    countryboy
    I also don’t think it can be stressed enough how great it is not having fake players on the rosters out of the box.
    Means as soon as the game fully installs I’m starting spring training
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    Agreed, As much as I love Ridin rosters being able to start day 1 is huge.
    Speaking for myself - I would REALLY prefer they never combine MtO and franchise.
    MtO is a simplified, condensed and curated experience which helps guide players through the intricacies of MLBs crazy roster rules and structure (ask an average fan to explain the Rule 5 draft....). It hits on the "high points" of the baseball season while helping the gamer to stay engaged.
    For folks who may like baseball but don't KNOW it well, going through the full franchise experience (and MLBTS does it pretty well) can be daunting - forcing players into either muddling through things (which can be frustrating) or setting things to auto (which is the worst possible thing you can do to a gamer from an engagement perspective).
    Merging the two would be a nightmare. Just the UI alone would be problematic. There's no way those MtO screens make any sense when you're managing the entire roster down through A ball. And even if you somehow adapted it; you begin to backtrack from the guided experience MtO offers. As a franchise guy, I don't need a button to look for a finesse pitcher....I go through the options available in the FA list and look at the pitch mix plus ratings for the guys available. I don't want it distilled down by some algorithm, I want to do my own digging.
    I think the two modes have value but they are for two completely different audiences; merging them will almost assuredly require compromises (that one or both audiences may not like). Adding 4 billion menu options is not an appropriate answer either; you're just begging for issues.
    One other spin on this topic....I have zero interest in playing MtO. But if there was a curated mode like this for a sport I know less about (like soccer) I could totally see myself giving it a whirl.
    JoshC1977
    Speaking for myself - I would REALLY prefer they never combine MtO and franchise.
    MtO is a simplified, condensed and curated experience which helps guide players through the intricacies of MLBs crazy roster rules and structure (ask an average fan to explain the Rule 5 draft....). It hits on the "high points" of the baseball season while helping the gamer to stay engaged.
    For folks who may like baseball but don't KNOW it well, going through the full franchise experience (and MLBTS does it pretty well) can be daunting - forcing players into either muddling through things (which can be frustrating) or setting things to auto (which is the worst possible thing you can do to a gamer from an engagement perspective).
    Merging the two would be a nightmare. Just the UI alone would be problematic. There's no way those MtO screens make any sense when you're managing the entire roster down through A ball. And even if you somehow adapted it; you begin to backtrack from the guided experience MtO offers. As a franchise guy, I don't need a button to look for a finesse pitcher....I go through the options available in the FA list and look at the pitch mix plus ratings for the guys available. I don't want it distilled down by some algorithm, I want to do my own digging.
    I think the two modes have value but they are for two completely different audiences; merging them will almost assuredly require compromises (that one or both audiences may not like). Adding 4 billion menu options is not an appropriate answer either; you're just begging for issues.
    One other spin on this topic....I have zero interest in playing MtO. But if there was a curated mode like this for a sport I know less about (like soccer) I could totally see myself giving it a whirl.

    I am with you on this, While I do play both modes. I get way to much enjoyment out of 30 team control in franchise to see that go away. I look forward to it.
    JoshC1977
    Speaking for myself - I would REALLY prefer they never combine MtO and franchise.
    MtO is a simplified, condensed and curated experience which helps guide players through the intricacies of MLBs crazy roster rules and structure (ask an average fan to explain the Rule 5 draft....). It hits on the "high points" of the baseball season while helping the gamer to stay engaged.
    For folks who may like baseball but don't KNOW it well, going through the full franchise experience (and MLBTS does it pretty well) can be daunting - forcing players into either muddling through things (which can be frustrating) or setting things to auto (which is the worst possible thing you can do to a gamer from an engagement perspective).
    Merging the two would be a nightmare. Just the UI alone would be problematic. There's no way those MtO screens make any sense when you're managing the entire roster down through A ball. And even if you somehow adapted it; you begin to backtrack from the guided experience MtO offers. As a franchise guy, I don't need a button to look for a finesse pitcher....I go through the options available in the FA list and look at the pitch mix plus ratings for the guys available. I don't want it distilled down by some algorithm, I want to do my own digging.
    I think the two modes have value but they are for two completely different audiences; merging them will almost assuredly require compromises (that one or both audiences may not like). Adding 4 billion menu options is not an appropriate answer either; you're just begging for issues.
    One other spin on this topic....I have zero interest in playing MtO. But if there was a curated mode like this for a sport I know less about (like soccer) I could totally see myself giving it a whirl.

    Awesome points. And you hit it head on. The one thing I do wish they would bring into franchise is the interest level from players that MTO has now. And the last chance offer to try to match it before they sign somewhere else. I was going to say the rumor page would be cool but I just remembered we already have that.
    bryanm1982
    Awesome points. And you hit it head on. The one thing I do wish they would bring into franchise is the interest level from players that MTO has now. And the last chance offer to try to match it before they sign somewhere else. I was going to say the rumor page would be cool but I just remembered we already have that.

    I never kept a stat on this but I wonder how many players if you put a qualifying offer on them take it.
    I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.
    I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.
    It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.
    I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.
    I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.
    I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.
    Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.
    Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.
    Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.
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    Yeah I think combining the two modes wouldn't do either one any favors. However I would like to see a few more things migrate into franchise from MtO. Specifically the trade block options to narrow down the types of players each team is looking for, as well as a form of the free-agency negotiations they implemented this year (but I agree in its current form it is too simple to be a valuable addition to franchise mode)
    The best and most important thing that came from the stream is that Ramone said this is the foundation for franchise (not MTO) for the future.
    I was feeling a little depressed for the future of franchise and am now optimistic.
    canes21
    I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.
    I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.
    It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.
    I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.
    I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.
    I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.
    Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.
    Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.
    Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.
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    I agree. That could very well be the case. And if they can make MTO have all the options we can do on Franchise, then that is okay with me. We all win. But it would be nice like you said if they communicated that. We would like to know what the ultimate goal is of MTO.
    bryanm1982
    I agree. That could very well be the case. And if they can make MTO have all the options we can do on Franchise, then that is okay with me. We all win. But it would be nice like you said if they communicated that. We would like to know what the ultimate goal is of MTO.
    Exactly. Communication goes a long way. Many things can be forgiven if a reason is given. The updates to franchise mode this year and last are mediocre to me, but I would be okay with the updates if I were told MtO was built from the ground up with the future in mind and the ultimate goal is within 2 years, or whatever, it will have everything franchise mode has now, plus much more, and it will become the new franchise mode.
    However, if we were told that isn't the plan and they want to have both modes simultaneously, then it becomes confusing and we must ask why they felt this was the necessary move. If they simply felt franchise mode was too complex for the casual crowd then it's confusing as to why they didn't introduce settings to give casual users more options to play a simpler franchise mode. Building a completely new mode for just that doesn't make sense.
    I have to assume the ultimate goal is to remove franchise mode, but have MtO offer the same experience and then some. It's the only thing that makes sense longterm.
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    knich1
    Can someone explain who is TABarnes? Sounds like a popular guy.

    He was a member of OS that had some great ideas on how to improve franchise mode and landed a job with SDS because of them.
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    How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?
    How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous
    Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts
    Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.
    Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics
    If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules
    BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.
    Ragnar84
    This is an in season tuning update promoted as a foundation for future updates. They said this last year too and look how that worked out.
    ZERO FRANCHISE specific features were added. Playoff rotation should have been in the game long ago. You still can’t relocate or realign the league. Still no coaching carousel or even coaching staff that you can hire and fire and no front office either. It’s a shell of a mode but not as horrible as Madden yet. In the next few years the mode will be eliminated.
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    Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.
    And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.
    Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.
    You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.
    Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.
    To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.
    I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.
    I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.
    olecrankygamer
    How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?
    How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous
    Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts
    Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.
    Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics
    If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules
    BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.

    You can already play with no dh in franchise and the shift will be in ‘22 as the ban doesn’t go into effect until next season
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    GamingCeo27
    Disagree that it will be eliminated. I think we as gamers always want to pick apart the negative. Lets look at the positive there was a lot of it this year. I mean they could have not touched it at all. I know everyone wants it to be like OOTP and have every feature in the world but that would take so much code work on a game that is also about graphics. Could you image how much work OOTP would need to put in if they wanted to add MLB style graphics to their game? And doing into for rosters of 9000 players.

    No, I don’t expect OOTP version of the game but there is middle ground between what that game is and what MLBTS produces. This is why I like NBA 2k the best of all franchise modes. Instead of continuing with My league/GM they created an entirely new mode MYNBA on the NG versions. The old gen still has MY GM/league and those modes are really good on their own. To me the myNBA mode is the bar that the other sports games should model their franchise modes after. And one thing to keep in mind they did that during a pandemic and in the first next GEN version of the game. Now look at what madden or MLB the show has done on NexGen in the past two versions of that game. Virtually nothing.
    https://youtu.be/5v2_lxl_mLc
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    JoshC1977
    Speaking for myself - I would REALLY prefer they never combine MtO and franchise.
    MtO is a simplified, condensed and curated experience which helps guide players through the intricacies of MLBs crazy roster rules and structure (ask an average fan to explain the Rule 5 draft....). It hits on the "high points" of the baseball season while helping the gamer to stay engaged.
    For folks who may like baseball but don't KNOW it well, going through the full franchise experience (and MLBTS does it pretty well) can be daunting - forcing players into either muddling through things (which can be frustrating) or setting things to auto (which is the worst possible thing you can do to a gamer from an engagement perspective).
    Merging the two would be a nightmare. Just the UI alone would be problematic. There's no way those MtO screens make any sense when you're managing the entire roster down through A ball. And even if you somehow adapted it; you begin to backtrack from the guided experience MtO offers. As a franchise guy, I don't need a button to look for a finesse pitcher....I go through the options available in the FA list and look at the pitch mix plus ratings for the guys available. I don't want it distilled down by some algorithm, I want to do my own digging.
    I think the two modes have value but they are for two completely different audiences; merging them will almost assuredly require compromises (that one or both audiences may not like). Adding 4 billion menu options is not an appropriate answer either; you're just begging for issues.
    One other spin on this topic....I have zero interest in playing MtO. But if there was a curated mode like this for a sport I know less about (like soccer) I could totally see myself giving it a whirl.

    I wish they would follow what 2K did with the MYNBA mode on NG. My league/GM on old gen was great but MYNBA is even better. And they’re still making billions of dollars with their my team in my player modes.
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    canes21
    I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.
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    I would be fine with that if they test it 5 years out, because how many Franchise players go 20 years on the same version of the game?
    I'd just like customization and online leagues
    Funkycorm
    Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.
    And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.
    Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.
    You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.
    Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.
    To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.
    I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.
    I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.

    Yeah forget about the staff hiring because it’s so limited and hasn’t changed in forever. The lack of customization overall removes any hint of realism.
    In another. Post I mentioned MYNBA mode. That’s the bar that SDS and EA won’t try to attain.
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    countryboy
    You can already play with no dh in franchise and the shift will be in ‘22 as the ban doesn’t go into effect until next season
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    I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.
    I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups
    and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option
    canes21
    I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.
    I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.
    It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.
    I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.
    I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.
    I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.
    Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.
    Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.
    Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.
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    Exactly, once the season starts it’s radio silence until they drop the trailer for the next seasons game. But as we learn this year they didn’t even plan on adding FRANCHISE to the stream. So if they are combining those modes eventually then give us that information but they’re working towards something instead of one mole gets new features and the other one gets tuning updates. And if that’s the case fine but don’t try to hide because you’re afraid of negative feedback. The reason there’s negative feedback for them is because they do nothing and say nothing about them all that’s been in the game since it was created and act like they basically doesn’t exist anymore. What you said was exactly right.
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    olecrankygamer
    I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.
    I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups
    and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option

    You said you to play with the shift, NO DH, and realignment and stated none would be available this year or next and that is what my response was in regards to
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    Funkycorm
    Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.
    And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.
    Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.
    You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.
    Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.
    To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.
    I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.
    I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.

    To be fair, they removed Season Mode back in The Show 18 without any notice, I believe. That mode had been around forever, too. So it's not unheard of to remove a "legacy" feature.
    olecrankygamer
    I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.
    I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups
    and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option

    I thought MLB consisted of 30 teams LOL
    At first I thought multi year MTO could be a fun way to rebuild a team but then I didn’t see any mention of trading for prospects, scouting/drafting, trading in offseason, only signing free agents
    To me logic is what makes the mode work so I'm glad that has been updated. Hopefully it continues as a focus but is greatly expanded upon.
    I also wish they could have incorporated aspects of MTO free agency into franchise free agency. It looks like a fun, new addition. These are the type of things Franchise mode needs in my opinion.
    Overall. I'm a little disappointed as I feel more could have been done. But I am intrigued by the logic changes. I'm also happy to learn TABarnes is involved. I could tell he had a passion from his posts here at Operation Sports over the years so I think this bodes well for Franchise improvements.
    eric7064
    I certainly am not a game designer, but I feel MLBs new schedule will actually be easier to implement than a rotating interleague schedule.
    3 game series vs everybody in the other league. Alternate home team every year.
    Seems easier than figuring out a rotating division to play each year.

    I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.
    olecrankygamer
    How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?
    How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous
    Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts
    Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.
    Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics
    If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules
    BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.

    Strange, you want to keep the shift but no on DH. Interesting....
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    I've not watched the stream, so I'm basing this mostly on write ups, but from what I can tell seemingly most of these changes seem to revolve the "player metric", essentially how the computer values players. Then this has a knock on effect to 40 man construction, trade logic, free agency etc. Almost everything in the write up seems to boil down to how much teams value players and how that will effect logic. (with a couple of other minor things like longer contract/higher AAV limit and the Ohtani rules)
    Anything big that I'm missing from the write ups or is that the crux of it?
    markus1
    I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.
    Scheduling in these games is actually complex. It's still inexcusable that a AAA developer never got rotating interleague schedules in.
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    BigOscar
    I've not watched the stream, so I'm basing this mostly on write ups, but from what I can tell seemingly most of these changes seem to revolve the "player metric", essentially how the computer values players. Then this has a knock on effect to 40 man construction, trade logic, free agency etc. Almost everything in the write up seems to boil down to how much teams value players and how that will effect logic. (with a couple of other minor things like longer contract/higher AAV limit and the Ohtani rules)
    Anything big that I'm missing from the write ups or is that the crux of it?

    That's the general gist...
    A couple of other items....
    - contending teams more likely to trade prospects at the deadline. The didn't say this, but I think this could help with the positional backlog that prevents prospects from developing. (another knock-on effect)
    - rebuilding teams more likely to add relievers to trade blocks.
    - free agents will be more likely to go into free agency vs immediately re-signing and the free agents' signings will more accurately "drag on" through the off-season (which can impact how you approach signing guys). Signed FAs will not be immediately traded.
    - high quality relievers will be valued more properly dollar-wise
    - roster build from SDS will not contain any "fake" players (and it sounds like they did work in resolving past issues like prospect ages and so on)
    markus1
    I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.
    If it was easy, it would've been done already.
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    baconbits11
    It has been by 2K AND EA.
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    And?!? They have said they have tried to implement it before and it totally crashed franchise. I'd rather play the same couple AL or NL teams and have a game that works, but that's just me. Also, MLB is changing the schedule next year so that all teams play each other. So it doesn't really matter anymore.
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    It doesn’t matter after this year anyways due to balanced schedule coming in 2023 so kind of a waste of time to debate why it hasn’t been done , who’s done it , and the ease of doing it
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    I have been on the fence about 22. I was impressed by the presentation and commentary but decided to wait for the franchise stream. Two of the big issues I had with 21 were trade logic and budget logic. Those were addressed. Today's interview with Nick showed me there is still passion for franchise mode. Something I had concerns about.
    I am now likely going to pull the trigger at some point. I also play RTTS so we will see what next week holds before I make a final decision. I do have to give SDS props at this point though, they proved me wrong.
    MetsFan16
    At first I thought multi year MTO could be a fun way to rebuild a team but then I didn’t see any mention of trading for prospects, scouting/drafting, trading in offseason, only signing free agents

    There is a trade system within MtO, so you can sort of do this, it's just not whole hog make as many deals as you want like normal franchise mode.
    markus1
    I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.

    You got the ‘what’ correct but the ‘how long’ is way off.
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    ChaseB
    There is a trade system within MtO, so you can sort of do this, it's just not whole hog make as many deals as you want like normal franchise mode.

    Also, unless it's changed, Mto is all about trying to win the WS, regardless of who you are, so you don't get options to trade for prospects and rebuild. All trades are around improving the teams chances of winning the WS that year.
    Unless it's completely changed it's direction, Mto isn't a particularly good way of starting a rebuild. It's a great way of having one last blow out year before then having a tear down when you start franchise mode the following year (sort of, the rosters tend to be a bit of a mess after a year of Mto)
    even if the DH still has the 4 line-ups the 2 without it just ignore it that it doesn't exist it won't matter just concentrate on the other 2, and randomise the other 2 with no effort just fil any empty slots with whoever in 5 seconds.
    Just posted last night a few pages back saying they really did attempt to work on things for us. and that sds livingston interview. Does anyone think its possible that becuase they have a new dual injury slider that maybe the actual system has been updated at all with types and lengths? also since im sure Tbarnes brought it up at some point the Bullpen usage logic in general? Just how its been the same exact usage issues every yr with the same slots menu system.. im curious cuase if they did add a slider maybe they looked at injuries and if they did adjust stamina for Ohtani and pitchers in postseason they also may have looked at that in relation to pitchers or pos guys getting injured based on stamina etc. So even with sliders & P rotation slot tweaks the game still doesnt take out pitchers on red stamina in a inning or have them injured or they still go to a tired reliever more often than not based on what bullpen slot there in and not what the stamina looks like or in most cases what the score is or what inning it even is
    wondering if any of these things are being worked on and we just havnt been told bout it yet cuase its in the works..
    tytyboogie
    Just posted last night a few pages back saying they really did attempt to work on things for us. and that sds livingston interview. Does anyone think its possible that becuase they have a new dual injury slider that maybe the actual system has been updated at all with types and lengths? also since im sure Tbarnes brought it up at some point the Bullpen usage logic in general? Just how its been the same exact usage issues every yr with the same slots menu system.. im curious cuase if they did add a slider maybe they looked at injuries and if they did adjust stamina for Ohtani and pitchers in postseason they also may have looked at that in relation to pitchers or pos guys getting injured based on stamina etc. So even with sliders & P rotation slot tweaks the game still doesnt take out pitchers on red stamina in a inning or have them injured or they still go to a tired reliever more often than not based on what bullpen slot there in and not what the stamina looks like or in most cases what the score is or what inning it even is...wondering if any of these things are being workes on and we just havnt been tokd bout it yet cuase its in the works..

    the problem with Ohtani is he counts as a pitcher and the 13 pitcher min rule means the Angels can't have a 6 man rotation so his stamina is more crap pitching every 5 days.
    in the game even though that rule hasn't even ever happened in real life yet and was suppose to for 3 years. I wish Ohtani didn't count as a pitcher and you can't have 6 man rotations in the game. so the Angels you have to have a 25 man roster.
    zukes
    And the Blue Jays we’re offering Gabriel Moreno for him as well.
    Still I’m slightly encouraged.

    I'll go with slightly encouraged, but that Blue Jays trade is just as crazy. I *think* you guys are pretty set at 1B.
    mthsgrg32
    Will Seiya Suzuki of the Cubs be in the game at launch or we gotta wait till his first official bat of the season?

    I doubt he will be in at launch. Maybe they add him in the first update? I think Ha-Seong Kim was added pretty early on last year
    I just really wish we could use custom roster in MtO…this is the one thing keeping me out of this mode which would otherwise fit my gaming style perfectly.
    Honestly, this is actually a decent amount of improvements. Franchise has been so starved that we really really really wanted something huge after all the years of nothing and broken logic. A cycle like this would be applauded more if Franchise development had been more consistent, because they’re definitely giving us something this year. All we can hope now is that the big changes needed aren’t too far off. Nonetheless the only console it seems to make sense to play MLB The Show is ironically Xbox because of Gamepass.
    mthsgrg32
    Will Seiya Suzuki of the Cubs be in the game at launch or we gotta wait till his first official bat of the season?

    Will have to wait until the roster update after his first start most likely. I would think they probably already have his model made, they just have to wait to put it in the game.
    bronxbombers21325
    Will have to wait until the roster update after his first start most likely. I would think they probably already have his model made, they just have to wait to put it in the game.

    It’s crazy they don’t count spring training for these types of players. Are there anymore players that have to wait for there 1st start this year?
    ninertravel
    the problem with Ohtani is he counts as a pitcher and the 13 pitcher min rule means the Angels can't have a 6 man rotation so his stamina is more crap pitching every 5 days.
    in the game even though that rule hasn't even ever happened in real life yet and was suppose to for 3 years. I wish Ohtani didn't count as a pitcher and you can't have 6 man rotations in the game. so the Angels you have to have a 25 man roster.

    Yeah, I was really hoping they’d finally nail down all the little parts of Ohtani this year so you could make it as close to real life as possible.
    Really hoping there’s a big improvement in AI bullpen management while simming in franchise and lineup logic as well. Hopefully CPU “closers” and setup men get used a little more by their teams throughout the season. I can handle it being a little off in game because at least then I can switch to the other team (although tedious and i have to a lot) and make it realistic. With they way they do now in SIM there isn’t a 100% way to get it right.

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