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EA Sports PGA TOUR

EA Sports PGA TOUR

EA Sports PGA TOUR Announced

Video game golf just got a little more exciting, as EA Sports PGA TOUR was announced earlier this morning. EA plans to reveal more details about the next-gen golf game, which is currently under development, in the upcoming weeks, with an official launch date to be announced in the coming months ahead.

In EA Sports PGA TOUR, golf fans will be able to build their virtual career and experience the sights, sounds, and thrills of the PGA TOUR including THE PLAYERS Championship, FedExCup Playoffs and more unforgettable events. The game will also feature many of the world’s most famous courses, where fans will have the option to play against and as some of the biggest names in professional golf. (Yup, that’s a dig at 2K…)

EA Sports PGA TOUR will be built on the EA Frostbite engine, leveraging next-gen technology, promising stunning fidelity, breathtaking immersive environments, and approachable, dynamic gameplay.

“Our team of passionate golf fans is meticulously recreating the world’s top courses such as Pebble Beach, and we can’t wait to give fans the opportunity to compete on some of the most iconic PGA TOUR courses and win the FedExCup.” – Cam Weber, EVP & GM, EA Sports

The news comes just a couple of weeks after 2K announced a long term exclusive deal with Tiger Woods. Woods’ partnership with 2K includes rights for his name and likeness to appear exclusively in the PGA TOUR 2K franchise. This includes any other golf games published by 2K, during the partnership term.

Woods will play an active role in the video game landscape as an Executive Director and consultant with PGA TOUR 2K. 2K will also partner with Woods’ TGR Foundation, which provides award-winning STEM curricula and college-access programs to offer underserved students the tools needed to thrive in school and beyond.

It was no coincidence that Tiger Woods tweeted this today.

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  1. Mentions playing as pros so that’s a shot at 2k. Want to see what courses, events, branding they have and how career mode goes. I hate starting as weak 60 rated pro. Should be more variance when you first start but not a horrible rating.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Please don't go all EA and try to get "exclusive rights" to a particular player or course. Competition is fine until it starts taking away from the other game.
    As long as they don’t keep all information Top Secret like they did with Rory only to find out at release that the game was bare bones and filled with future promises.
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    Flightwhite24
    As long as they don’t keep all information Top Secret like they did with Rory only to find out at release that the game was bare bones and filled with future promises.
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    Hopefully with the memory of the new systems. It won’t.
    JoeRodgers1175
    Twenty bucks says the 2K leaderboard glitch gets patched soon...

    I'd say it's much more likely that Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2K22 will be announced shortly
    I hope they both have rights to the PGA tour and it isn't exclusive to EA as part of the deal. As mentioned above, exclusives would hurt us as consumers potentially. If both have access to the events and names of the PGA Tour then I think this is a big win for golf video game fans with potentially two good games.
    If this EA golf game can get career mode down, and make it similar to the one found in Tiger Woods 14, I will be over the moon for it.
    2K21's/HB's unwillingness or inability to fix the career mode leaves that door wide open. 2K21 lacks the real majors, has glitched leaderboards, etc. If EA's game offers all the majors again and a stable leaderboard system that actually makes it feel like real life? Count me in 100%
    Imagine if one of the options can give us Y2Y career saves (like we had in MLB 20)?
    To me, this feature for single player franchise/career players like me is often overlooked.
    Anyone else agree? Disagree?
    This gives me reason to buy the next year’s version ASAP instead of weighing the value of all of my previous work vs. the new features.
    -SW
    TheBrew101
    I hope they both have rights to the PGA tour and it isn't exclusive to EA as part of the deal. As mentioned above, exclusives would hurt us as consumers potentially. If both have access to the events and names of the PGA Tour then I think this is a big win for golf video game fans with potentially two good games.

    They both will have PGA TOUR licenses. No company has exclusive rights to the Tour, as it now seems 2K, EA, and even Golden Tee are incorporating PGA TOUR elements into their games. 2K does have an exclusive deal with Tiger Woods, but that's it.
    This is great news! It's a good thing when two top shelf publishers are throwing their resources at a golf game. Not much to go on here, but we do know they'll be using the Frostbite engine. Who knows, they might even reintroduce a progressive feature like a multiplayer matchup lobby!? :)
    "A launch date will be announced in the coming months" doesn't sound like it could happen this year, but maybe a Spring launch in 2022? At any rate, I'm curious to see what they come up with... maybe even a "vsync OFF" option for those of us with XBox Series X's and VRR capable displays? ;)
    Whatever the case, I'll be following this story with great interest!
    Giggidy giggidy.
    Can't wait to see some next-gen golf simulation.
    Native 4k? 60fps? True next-gen engine? Real-world golfers? Individual mo-capped swings? Sign me up.
    (All hopefully safe assumptions by me)
    beau21
    Giggidy giggidy.
    Can't wait to see some next-gen golf simulation.
    Native 4k? 60fps? True next-gen engine? Real-world golfers? Individual mo-capped swings? Sign me up.
    (All hopefully safe assumptions by me)

    No doubt there will be a mo-capped swing or two in this game, but probably not enough to suit the desires of most. From all I've read, the process of getting a good motion capture of a golf swing is very costly and resource intensive. It wouldn't take many before EA Sports would have to start questioning their return on investment. I think they'd be doing good to get a half dozen of them in the mix. That would be four more than we've got now with PGA TOUR 2K21.
    Let’s not kid ourselves...
    EA isn’t blind...they know the landscape....
    I think they plan to blow the HB game away (In some areas that’s not a high bar to clear honestly)
    scagwi
    Let’s not kid ourselves...
    EA isn’t blind...they know the landscape....
    I think they plan to blow the HB game away (In some areas that’s not a high bar to clear honestly)

    There are some areas for sure that EA will go after 2K. Visuals is one. Single player offline career is another. Online play is a third. These area are shaky for 2K, so EA being around might help them shore up the problems and shortcomings there.
    I see 2K likely holding on to the course creator, as that's going to be the differentiator for them. They also now have Tiger, so they're going to really need to lean into that.
    To me, it comes down to which company is going to bring the best of everything. Whether 2K or EA locks down the majors (including Augusta) could be the coup de grace in my eyes. That's the feature that sitting out there, yet to be claimed. Having all four majors is essential to ensuring you have a proper professional golf title. Rory didn't have all 4, 2K hasn't had any. That's a big miss for all involved, and hopefully gets rectified soon.
    MrArlingtonBeach

    I see 2K likely holding on to the course creator, as that's going to be the differentiator for them.

    I am admittedly one of the people that would be fine with a filled out roster of 20 to 30 amazing courses.
    Speaking of courses, I’m excited for them to hopefully do what they did with Rory and have super unique attributes per course. That was something no other golf game had done before or since (to my knowledge)
    scagwi
    I am admittedly one of the people that would be fine with a filled out roster of 20 to 30 amazing courses.
    Speaking of courses, I’m excited for them to hopefully do what they did with Rory and have super unique attributes per course. That was something no other golf game had done before or since (to my knowledge)

    Yep...if they can have the same number of courses that TW 14 launched with (about 20-25), and St Andrews, Augusta, Pebble, etc. and the majors are part of that, they're well on their way to offering a better real life pro golf experience.
    When I play 2K21's career mode, I withdraw from all events held at fictional courses. This is about half of the entire yearly schedule in career mode - it's kind of dumb and sad, honestly, that a PGA TOUR game offers such a small amount of the real schedule.
    It's too bad they don't let us swap out these fake courses for either other fake courses just to keep it fresh, or any course we want, allowing us to use real course recreations to build out an actual proper PGA TOUR schedule.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    There are some areas for sure that EA will go after 2K. Visuals is one. Single player offline career is another. Online play is a third. These area are shaky for 2K, so EA being around might help them shore up the problems and shortcomings there.

    And I’ll be honest, those first two are huge for me. I’m a graphics snob and offline career mode is what’s going to give the game longevity for me, if done right.
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    From all the discussion here and on social media, I see there are two camps emerging in the golf gamer landscape:
    1) course creators and those who want an unlimited number of courses to play - fictional or otherwise
    2) those looking for an authentic professional golf experience with a robust single player mode and as many real-life courses as possible
    I also think there's a lot of folks that want a solid online experience, and these people fall into both the above categories.
    As it stands, I fit into both those camps, and I guess will be buying two golf games for years to come...haha
    wheels2121
    I hope I’m wrong, but I feel like if they were going to have the majors, their main highlight wouldn’t be the Players.

    Understood, but they can't just come out with all their heavy-hitting info right off the bat. They want to market this for as long as possible. Not to mention, they did call out Pebble Beach by name, so that's actually the biggest news in the release, IMO.
    They also might still be nailing down details and deals on courses, events, pros, and other licensing, so they probably can't mention any specifics now, either.
    The Kid 24
    Awesome, can't wait!!
    There's nothing stopping both games from having all 4 majors right?

    Now THIS would be wild! I don't think anyone has exclusive rights to anything right now, other than Tiger being exclusive to 2K. I would be all for both games having all majors, but I think this will be likely be EA's answer to 2K's Tiger deal. And I doubt both would be able to afford all the rights, as now the licensing folks for the majors will know there are two parties fighting for them. They'll just choose the highest bidder.
    My prediction is that EA will lock up at least some majors - my guess would be the US Open and The Open Championship at the very least. Augusta/The Masters will be the crown jewel, but I could also see it not being in either game. The PGA Championship is, honestly, not a hot commodity in the grand scheme of things, although the PGA of America also organizes the Ryder Cup, so...
    I guess to sum it up - if I had to guess, I'd say EA gets the PGA, the US Open, and The Open. I'll even say 2K gets Augusta and The Masters, as Tiger could be a factor there. But EA counters with adding in the Ryder Cup and maybe even the Presidents Cup.
    Lots of interesting news is sure to come...this is the most excited I've been about sports gaming in a good long while!
    This is fantastic news! I'll be buying both EA and the next 2K with Tiger. If I can ever get a PS5, that is. The more options, the better. I still play Tiger 14 and Rory on a regular basis, so it'll be nice to get more games into the rotation.
    Great news, for sure! As an offline player, I still play Rory on regular basis because 2K21's PS3/360 graphics and abhorrent career mode suck all the fun and realism out of the game for me.
    I know that Rory is certainly lacking in many of its own areas, but if EA can take and build upon what they've started with Rory (i.e. upgrade to true next gen graphics, better real-time presentation, more courses, etc...), I suspect that, at least for us offline players, we'll be in for a real treat.
    Count me in as very optimistic!
    Wake up people there will only be one "official" licensed PGATour game not 2 and that will go to EA when the PGATour contract with 2k/HB expires.
    NFL, FIFA, etc are huge markets compared to golf's miniscule 2 million units sold and they only have one license agreement.
    What does this mean to 2k/HB? Actually not a hell of a lot. Their career mode and play against the pros function was much anticipated and was a total flop. We all turned off the annoying PGA player replays on day 2 and we stopped only played career mode to get the better clubs.
    HB will lose all the TPC courses which is not big deal because once you have played them 10 times they are dull as hell.
    2k/HB has the course designer function which is popular and Societies which has a niche market. EA will offer improved online play (could it be worse than 2k/HB version? Nope) and official tour courses. Big question is playability and realistic difficulty. If they offer a course designer function ((if HB can create it anyone can) and Societies then 2k/HB is done.
    EA is only in development mode so it's at least a year away. In the meantime 2k/HB will issue new game this year to cash in on the investment they made on Tiger.
    I won’t be surprised if the game comes out this calendar year.
    We have to remember that video game reporters were hearing that EA was doing the next GEN game all the way back last summer
    They didn’t just now start working on it
    Parbuster1962
    Wake up people there will only be one "official" licensed PGATour game not 2 and that will go to EA when the PGATour contract with 2k/HB expires.
    NFL, FIFA, etc are huge markets compared to golf's miniscule 2 million units sold and they only have one license agreement.
    What does this mean to 2k/HB? Actually not a hell of a lot. Their career mode and play against the pros function was much anticipated and was a total flop. We all turned off the annoying PGA player replays on day 2 and we stopped only played career mode to get the better clubs.
    HB will lose all the TPC courses which is not big deal because once you have played them 10 times they are dull as hell.
    2k/HB has the course designer function which is popular and Societies which has a niche market. EA will offer improved online play (could it be worse than 2k/HB version? Nope) and official tour courses. Big question is playability and realistic difficulty. If they offer a course designer function ((if HB can create it anyone can) and Societies then 2k/HB is done.
    EA is only in development mode so it's at least a year away. In the meantime 2k/HB will issue new game this year to cash in on the investment they made on Tiger.

    No reason to assume the PGA license will all of a sudden go exclusive when it’s already shared.
    Parbuster1962
    Wake up people there will only be one "official" licensed PGATour game not 2 and that will go to EA when the PGATour contract with 2k/HB expires.
    NFL, FIFA, etc are huge markets compared to golf's miniscule 2 million units sold and they only have one license agreement.
    What does this mean to 2k/HB? Actually not a hell of a lot. Their career mode and play against the pros function was much anticipated and was a total flop. We all turned off the annoying PGA player replays on day 2 and we stopped only played career mode to get the better clubs.
    HB will lose all the TPC courses which is not big deal because once you have played them 10 times they are dull as hell.
    2k/HB has the course designer function which is popular and Societies which has a niche market. EA will offer improved online play (could it be worse than 2k/HB version? Nope) and official tour courses. Big question is playability and realistic difficulty. If they offer a course designer function ((if HB can create it anyone can) and Societies then 2k/HB is done.
    EA is only in development mode so it's at least a year away. In the meantime 2k/HB will issue new game this year to cash in on the investment they made on Tiger.

    Golden Tee golf, the arcade game that's in all the bars and taverns worldwide, has PGA TOUR licensing. It's gonna have TPC Sawgrass, too: https://livewire.itsgames.com/news/16726-golden-tee-pga-tour-sawgrass
    This isn't an exclusive deal. The PGA TOUR is smart to let as many companies that are interested use their license. The only exclusive deal is Tiger's with 2K. Other than that, as far as everyone knows, everything is available and up for grabs. TPC courses will likely be in both 2K and EA. It's gonna be the big ones - like EA getting Pebble Beach - that will make a difference.
    Smallville102001
    I just wonder how far out it is like are we looking at a 2022 game? 2023 etc?

    I believe this year.
    The Tiger deal wasn’t a coincidence.
    kehlis
    I believe this year.
    The Tiger deal wasn’t a coincidence.

    Damn rights...they aren't paying Tiger then sitting on the sidelight for another 18 months before they will issue a new game. New game will be out this year. Question is will it be game old game with Tiger being the focus instead of JT or will it be a new and improved game with all those bugs fixed.
    Until the EA announcement I figured the ywould just cheap out and issue the same game with Tiger on it. Now they have to up their game and improve it with EA banging on the door with the official licensing rights
    Parbuster1962
    Damn rights...they aren't paying Tiger then sitting on the sidelight for another 18 months before they will issue a new game. New game will be out this year. Question is will it be game old game with Tiger being the focus instead of JT or will it be a new and improved game with all those bugs fixed.
    Until the EA announcement I figured the ywould just cheap out and issue the same game with Tiger on it. Now they have to up their game and improve it with EA banging on the door with the official licensing rights

    I think the question was whether or not the EA game would be out this year, not the 2K game.
    2K already announced that their "eSeries" events in the official PGA 2K21 society are going through the TOUR Championship in September. 2K21 was released last August. So, unless they are expecting to release a golf game between October-December, I don't know if a new 2K golf game is coming out in 2021. Perhaps this changes their timetable?
    I also honestly wonder if Tiger's injuries change the timing, too, as far as how much he'll be able to take part in. I'd imagine he can't just jump in and do mo-cap right away, if they wanted to have his real swing in the game.
    Parbuster1962
    Damn rights...they aren't paying Tiger then sitting on the sidelight for another 18 months before they will issue a new game. New game will be out this year. Question is will it be game old game with Tiger being the focus instead of JT or will it be a new and improved game with all those bugs fixed.
    Until the EA announcement I figured the ywould just cheap out and issue the same game with Tiger on it. Now they have to up their game and improve it with EA banging on the door with the official licensing rights

    We were talking about the EA game.
    Told you guys something was going on behind the scene with the XXXXXXX courses on the 2K/HB game. Those are the courses EA has licensed, and to finally have a license for Augusta would be the main reason we're seeing them back in the game. This was the biggest outcry on social media when they announced Rory, Augusta was not in the game.
    Dear EA,
    Please do better in your career mode than this:

    Thanks.
    This round just happened to me in 2K21...there are so many problems with the glitched leaderboards, it's comical at this point. And they are "aware" of the issues, according to 2K support. So they either are completely unable to fix these seemingly simple scoring problems, or just don't really care, since they got their 2 million copies sold.
    This is why I am all for EA re-entering the golf game space.
    Wow. Our cup runneth over as golf game fans. Soon, we can brag that golf is the only sport with 2+ licensed games in competition! What other sport can say that? It's almost like it's 1999 all over again...
    I'm glad another major publisher has seen the potential in the genre and is willing to invest. I think it will likely be a long-term win for us, but my slight wet-blanket tendencies suggest to me that the only reason any publisher goes into any genre is because there is the potential for recurring microtransaction revenue. Hell, they design entire games around the microtransaction revenue model at this point - it's the focal point of the game (from a development standpoint), and obviously with EA at the tip of the spear of this type of aggressive monetization, I'm at least a little concerned that the game will be a microtransaction festival and very bare-bones in its base format.
    "Star Wars Battlefront 2" is a good starting point for what I envision for their PGA game re-entry...unlock Jordan Spieth? $5 or 260 hours of grinding. Bryson? $10 or 300 hours. Driver that isn't generic stock and goes further than 230 yards? $5/200 hours. Etc. etc. etc.
    Bottom line is they aren't making this game because they have a passion for golf; it's monetization first, monetization last, and monetization in between.
    Having said all of that, I'm happy to have another major player in the genre. For once, I'm hoping this shows that more entrants in a genre can actually grow the pie, instead of a single entrant eating the whole pie (and shrinking it in the process). Fingers crossed, gentlemen....
    If they have the same micro-transactions as in the TW series, it won't bother me one bit... and us career mode guys are very, very, very patient and don't play the pros anyway,
    pietasterp
    Wow. Our cup runneth over as golf game fans. Soon, we can brag that golf is the only sport with 2+ licensed games in competition! What other sport can say that? It's almost like it's 1999 all over again...
    Having said all of that, I'm happy to have another major player in the genre. For once, I'm hoping this shows that more entrants in a genre can actually grow the pie, instead of a single entrant eating the whole pie (and shrinking it in the process). Fingers crossed, gentlemen....

    All of this, well said!
    Silver lining of the pandemic seems to be the growth of the gaming industry and the reemergence of previously made titles which don’t seem to be coincidental (College Football and EA Golf).
    The bell has officially rang for both fighters and after a couple of opening haymakers by EA (as noted below), I give them round one.
    1. "...the option to play against AND as some of the biggest names in Golf..."
    2. "...recreating the world's top courses such as PEBBLE BEACH.."
    The boxing analogy is the best I can do, if someone wants to come up with a golf one...
    Mixed feelings about this. Ironic they are coming back now with the Tiger license.
    I don't think they will be able to compete in the sheer numbers of courses, so they need to focus on the most popular competitive ones and model them in extreme detail.
    I honestly don't see a reason why, over time, they can't have the majority of courses that are played on the Tour and most of the tournaments. I get that it's not gonna happen right out of the gate, but close to a full season's worth of tournaments at their actual sites with high-detail (LIDAR'd) courses should be do-able. Also, having the WGC Match-Play at Austin Country Club would be just awesome (!).
    Also, there's no reason the game shouldn't be indistinguishable from this (including the camera cuts):
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    Ronoko
    Mixed feelings about this. Ironic they are coming back now with the Tiger license.
    I don't think they will be able to compete in the sheer numbers of courses, so they need to focus on the most popular competitive ones and model them in extreme detail.

    Honestly, I think 2K caught word that EA was re-entering the virtual golf scene and made a splash move by locking up Tiger, not the other way around.
    And when it comes to number of courses, as long as they have the course creator, 2K will have the most, no doubt. But when I log into 2K21 each day and look at the "Recently Published" filter or whatever it's called, all of them are basically junk. Sorry, but it's the truth. Many are even named with inappropriate names or names that sound like a teenager came up with because it sounded funny. They look like someone just auto-generated a course or, even worse, someone used a brush to raise and lower the surfaces to make odd looking "mountains" and such.
    The only way you find the good ones are by browsing forums like the Completed Courses threads here, at the 2K forum, at the HB forum, and at TGC Tours.
    Casual players don't want that. They want the links they see on the TV, and courses they've heard about - not fictional courses that you need to scour the internet to find. So if a game came out with 20-25 courses that are like you said, highly detailed and used in the biggest golf events, casuals will flock to it more than the idea of playing a beautiful fictional created course set in some random coast somewhere.
    And, to be honest, it's getting to the point for me that even the best courses in 2K21 are essentially repeats of each other. Not sure how many more Bandon Dunes lookalikes I can play through...
    PGA Tour and FedEx Cup license is non-exclusive. The Players license is non-exclusive.
    Maybe just wishful thinking on my part, but i'm going to bet EA and 2K will be competing for exclusive rights to players and courses/tournaments will mostly be non-exclusive. Pebble Beach, St Andrews, Augusta will probably want to be exclusive to keep up with their prestige and reputation, but the majority of Tour courses I bet will be non-exclusive.
    itsmb8
    PGA Tour and FedEx Cup license is non-exclusive. The Players license is non-exclusive.
    Maybe just wishful thinking on my part, but i'm going to bet EA and 2K will be competing for exclusive rights to players and courses/tournaments will mostly be non-exclusive. Pebble Beach, St Andrews, Augusta will probably want to be exclusive to keep up with their prestige and reputation, but the majority of Tour courses I bet will be non-exclusive.

    Agreed for the most part but I have fears we won’t see any agreement with Augusta anywhere.
    I have no reason to suspect that other than it seems to be how they operate. They were reluctant to join in the first place and ended up leaving with a sour taste.
    I’m hopeful but will remain skeptical.
    My final prediction: EA will win on course selection, game modes and tour players. 2k will win on simulation and gameplay experience (if they can fine tune all the bugs. Big if)
    Parbuster1962
    Wake up people there will only be one "official" licensed PGATour game not 2 and that will go to EA when the PGATour contract with 2k/HB expires.
    NFL, FIFA, etc are huge markets compared to golf's miniscule 2 million units sold and they only have one license agreement.
    What does this mean to 2k/HB? Actually not a hell of a lot. Their career mode and play against the pros function was much anticipated and was a total flop. We all turned off the annoying PGA player replays on day 2 and we stopped only played career mode to get the better clubs.
    HB will lose all the TPC courses which is not big deal because once you have played them 10 times they are dull as hell.
    2k/HB has the course designer function which is popular and Societies which has a niche market. EA will offer improved online play (could it be worse than 2k/HB version? Nope) and official tour courses. Big question is playability and realistic difficulty. If they offer a course designer function ((if HB can create it anyone can) and Societies then 2k/HB is done.
    EA is only in development mode so it's at least a year away. In the meantime 2k/HB will issue new game this year to cash in on the investment they made on Tiger.

    That's wild, considering TGC/HB produced a more realistic (to actual golfers) game than EA ever produced.
    I'm incredibly stoked to see what EA has cooked up, and always enjoyed EA's PGA games. But as an alright golfer, and someone who works in the golf industry, the absolutely most "realistic" games to a golf have been, in no particular order, TGC, TGC2, TGC19, and PGA 2K.
    it's real simple...... if you have competition......... you have better games......... and it grows the fan base and it increases sales.
    Parbuster1962
    Wake up people there will only be one "official" licensed PGATour game not 2 and that will go to EA when the PGATour contract with 2k/HB expires.
    NFL, FIFA, etc are huge markets compared to golf's miniscule 2 million units sold and they only have one license agreement.
    What does this mean to 2k/HB? Actually not a hell of a lot. Their career mode and play against the pros function was much anticipated and was a total flop. We all turned off the annoying PGA player replays on day 2 and we stopped only played career mode to get the better clubs.
    HB will lose all the TPC courses which is not big deal because once you have played them 10 times they are dull as hell.
    2k/HB has the course designer function which is popular and Societies which has a niche market. EA will offer improved online play (could it be worse than 2k/HB version? Nope) and official tour courses. Big question is playability and realistic difficulty. If they offer a course designer function ((if HB can create it anyone can) and Societies then 2k/HB is done.
    EA is only in development mode so it's at least a year away. In the meantime 2k/HB will issue new game this year to cash in on the investment they made on Tiger.

    Big point actually. If EA offers a course creator and somehow replicate HB's putting you can flush HB.
    Totally surprised EA decided to get back into the golf space. :skillz::usa:
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Honestly, I think 2K caught word that EA was re-entering the virtual golf scene and made a splash move by locking up Tiger, not the other way around.
    And when it comes to number of courses, as long as they have the course creator, 2K will have the most, no doubt. But when I log into 2K21 each day and look at the "Recently Published" filter or whatever it's called, all of them are basically junk. Sorry, but it's the truth. Many are even named with inappropriate names or names that sound like a teenager came up with because it sounded funny. They look like someone just auto-generated a course or, even worse, someone used a brush to raise and lower the surfaces to make odd looking "mountains" and such.
    The only way you find the good ones are by browsing forums like the Completed Courses threads here, at the 2K forum, at the HB forum, and at TGC Tours.
    Casual players don't want that. They want the links they see on the TV, and courses they've heard about - not fictional courses that you need to scour the internet to find. So if a game came out with 20-25 courses that are like you said, highly detailed and used in the biggest golf events, casuals will flock to it more than the idea of playing a beautiful fictional created course set in some random coast somewhere.
    And, to be honest, it's getting to the point for me that even the best courses in 2K21 are essentially repeats of each other. Not sure how many more Bandon Dunes lookalikes I can play through...

    Finding this too. One play and on to the next one.
    I find it funny people are quick to assume 2K will be the better game because it’s “2K”.
    2K21 is probably the most broken career mode I’ve ever played. They couldn’t even SNIFF Tiger Woods career mode. I trust EA in that department.
    Hell, 2K just pushed out “golf battle Royale” instead of fixing their broken career mode. Remember, 2K is just the publisher, HB Studios is the developer and unless they go back to their roots, they’ve lost me.
    TheBleedingRed21
    I find it funny people are quick to assume 2K will be the better game because it’s “2K”.
    2K21 is probably the most broken career mode I’ve ever played. They couldn’t even SNIFF Tiger Woods career mode. I trust EA in that department.
    Hell, 2K just pushed out “golf battle Royale” instead of fixing their broken career mode. Remember, 2K is just the publisher, HB Studios is the developer and unless they go back to their roots, they’ve lost me.

    I don't think anyone has said 2k is better. Not at all. EA has a low bar to beat out HB's effort.
    scagwi
    I won’t be surprised if the game comes out this calendar year.
    We have to remember that video game reporters were hearing that EA was doing the next GEN game all the way back last summer
    They didn’t just now start working on it

    True that! They certainly aren't making this announcement based on pure concept alone. I'd love to see it hit the market this year. Thankfully now since the patch, I at least have a 60 FPS PGA TOUR 2K21 on my Series X to bide my time with until it hits :)
    Competition brings out the best of people, so I think golf gaming will be great in the near future.
    I also have doubts about Augusta, as that place is run by the old boys club of all old boys clubs.
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    As mentioned before, EA adding a course creation tool would be very interesting, indeed. I've seen many a person who was interested in course design simply give up after trying the designer in 2K/TGC.
    While the creator in that series is powerful and can be used to makes some amazing designs, it's also got a massive learning curve. And, conveniently enough, 2K/HB don't really provide much in the way of in-game tutorials and tips/tricks to pull off some of the better looking landscapes that the expert designers do. They do offer in-game tips, but they are not nearly comprehensive enough to completely understand how the designer works.
    Once again, to find any information or tutorials on course building, you need to scour the internet and find links to YouTube video guides that some of the popular TGC Tours community members have done. Otherwise, you end up with all those courses I mentioned in my earlier post - auto-gens and silliness.
    If EA can somehow add a course creator tool that can be as in depth as 2K's, while also making it more accessible to those who are new to design, it could have a big impact. As it is now, most of the folks who land in the 2K camp sing the praises of the course creator, saying that is what will keep them playing that game. But if EA comes with a more intuitive designer, that would really even the playing field.
    (Personal note - I'd love to see a NCAA Football Teambuilder-like approach to course creation. Allow me to design and build the course online using a computer, then upload it to the game. Designing on a console can be very tedious...)
    All that said - with the way EA does most of their business, new courses will likely be DLC. So I'd suspect EA bringing a course creator into the mix is a very long shot, as users making free content will take money out of their pockets.
    jb12780
    Competition brings out the best of people, so I think golf gaming will be great in the near future.
    I also have doubts about Augusta, as that place is run by the old boys club of all old boys clubs.
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    EA is going to have to have a point of differentiation - they got Augusta before, my guess is they will probably take another run at it...
    Competition benefits the end user, i can’t wait to see what these guys can do on Next Gen.
    I will say one thing that has me optimistic about the HB/2K game going forward. I don't think Tiger would put his name and input into a game he didn't believe in and that was going to go all-in. 2K purchasing HB shows that 2K is all in, as well.
    I'm looking forward to the competition, however.
    Side note: 2K NEEDS the pros to be playable. EA took a direct shot at that in their press release.
    green94

    Competition benefits the end user, i can’t wait to see what these guys can do on Next Gen.

    Generally true, and obviously I fully support more entrants into any genre. Of course, this is only true up to the point that companies decide to compete by making better games....at some point, companies decide to compete by buying out the license wholesale and preventing their competition from even playing (e.g. Madden), at which point it becomes wholly destructive....
    dab34r
    I will say one thing that has me optimistic about the HB/2K game going forward. I don't think Tiger would put his name and input into a game he didn't believe in and that was going to go all-in. 2K purchasing HB shows that 2K is all in, as well.
    I'm looking forward to the competition, however.
    Side note: 2K NEEDS the pros to be playable. EA took a direct shot at that in their press release.

    I don't think the HB game is complete crap but it could be miles better. Tiger putting his name on the game means nothing whatsoever to me.
    dab34r
    I will say one thing that has me optimistic about the HB/2K game going forward. I don't think Tiger would put his name and input into a game he didn't believe in and that was going to go all-in. 2K purchasing HB shows that 2K is all in, as well.
    I'm looking forward to the competition, however.
    Side note: 2K NEEDS the pros to be playable. EA took a direct shot at that in their press release.

    I agree about Tiger...to a point. He will maybe motivate the devs to clean up some issues and will provide some input, but it comes down to how good the team is at making the game, fixing problems, etc. And, as they've proven in 2K21 and in past games, HB is very hesitant on fixing issues and addressing problems. Plus, Tiger is probably cool either way, as long as the check clears.
    I am excited that Tiger's back in the virtual golf space, but I think his car accident and resulting injuries will impact how much he'll actually add to the game. Who knows when he'll actually be able to swing a club again, and that will impact any motion capture they'd do to get his actual swing in game.
    But Tiger has proven us all wrong before, so time will tell!
    I don’t think Tiger cares how the resulting game comes out one way or the other, particularly at this phase of his career and life.
    He is getting paid to attach his name/likeness to something and honestly his brand is not impacted one way or the other depending upon what 2K does or doesn’t do with their game
    It’s free money for doing nothing
    C.J.S.
    it's real simple...... if you have competition......... you have better games......... and it grows the fan base and it increases sales.

    I wouldn't go that far... We saw the XXXXX courses months ago at HB/2K. These are copyrights and will probably be exclusive licensed courses by EA. And with HB users keeping at it to replicate them, wouldn't surprised me if the courses creator disappeared from the 2K game. My guess is it will probably disappeared when 2K move to a new engine to compete with EA. It will be a big loss for the TGC tour guys and the weekend warriors with their choices of unlimited courses.
    The big winners will be the arcade guys, I'm sure they will have their mid-air spin and arcade mode back for head to head. And these are the guys who were just using a pro and going at it right away on day 1.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    I don't think anyone has said 2k is better. Not at all. EA has a low bar to beat out HB's effort.

    You must not of read all the posts around the communities (other than OS, where some have said the exact thing lol). Just typical EA hate. Either way, hope to see both companies improve all around and provide two awesome games eventually.
    Anyone else getting their hopes up that when they say 'More info to be released in the coming weeks" that it means they are going to announce that Augusta will be added to the game during Masters week?!?!?!?! :popcorn:
    drewzer300
    Anyone else getting their hopes up that when they say 'More info to be released in the coming weeks" that it means they are going to announce that Augusta will be added to the game during Masters week?!?!?!?! :popcorn:

    What makes you think this game will be released within two weeks lol.
    I’m all for being optimistic but that’s a bit presumptive.
    kehlis
    What makes you think this game will be released within two weeks lol.
    I’m all for being optimistic but that’s a bit presumptive.

    I think they just mean that EA would announce they got the rights to Augusta in the next two weeks, not release the game...haha
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I think they just mean that EA would announce they got the rights to Augusta in the next two weeks, not release the game...haha

    That is exactly what I meant. Not sure how they thought I meant the game was going to be released in 2 weeks... :nocomprende:
    Good news here. I’ve tried to love 2k’s game but it’s just not clicking for me. Options and competition is good. I thought the last Tiger game on PS3 was superb and was sorry to see EA give up on golf after Rory dropped.
    drewzer300
    Anyone else getting their hopes up that when they say 'More info to be released in the coming weeks" that it means they are going to announce that Augusta will be added to the game during Masters week?!?!?!?! :popcorn:

    Oh baby...
    Do not tease me like this..
    4k HDR Frostbite Augusta on next gen consoles pumped to an OLED?
    I may never leave the house
    scagwi
    Oh baby...
    Do not tease me like this..
    4k HDR Frostbite Augusta on next gen consoles pumped to an OLED?
    I may never leave the house

    Im with you on that one. Hey look, we actually agree on something! Haha.
    This is exciting. Some of the old Tiger games were the best golf games I ever played.
    And to anyone who thinks this PGA license thing could be exclusive to EA. Well they would have let you know 36 times in the press release.
    What are we thinking on a release date? Summer or fall? Rory released in July I believe. Doubt EA will want to clog up the 4th quarter with madden, fifa, and possibly a new battlefield.
    jbd345
    What are we thinking on a release date? Summer or fall? Rory released in July I believe. Doubt EA will want to clog up the 4th quarter with madden, fifa, and possibly a new battlefield.

    If it's coming out this year, I could see a August/September release, to work along side the FedExCup Playoffs/Ryder Cup potentially. 2K did this last year with PGA 2K21, and it seemed to work well for them...
    If not this year, and if Augusta is in the mix, I could see a March 2022 release. Back in the day, Tiger Woods 12-14 came out in March.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    If it's coming out this year, I could see a August/September release, to work along side the FedExCup Playoffs/Ryder Cup potentially. 2K did this last year with PGA 2K21, and it seemed to work well for them...
    If not this year, and if Augusta is in the mix, I could see a March 2022 release. Back in the day, Tiger Woods 12-14 came out in March.

    Although I would enjoy the heck out of Augusta this year, I think people are getting their hopes up. It took the Tiger series 14 games before getting Augusta. Regardless the next couple months will be exciting. Side note: anyone remember when 2k21 was announced last year?
    jbd345
    Although I would enjoy the heck out of Augusta this year, I think people are getting their hopes up. It took the Tiger series 14 games before getting Augusta. Regardless the next couple months will be exciting. Side note: anyone remember when 2k21 was announced last year?

    May 2020
    I am seeing the re-addition of Augusta as a "pie in the sky" dream right now...but 2K adding Tiger, to me, shows that anything is possible at this point.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    May 2020
    I am seeing the re-addition of Augusta as a "pie in the sky" dream right now...but 2K adding Tiger, to me, shows that anything is possible at this point.

    So May announcement to late summer release isn’t that far off. I’m still holding onto my late July or early August time table. Augusta could still be included, or as a pricy dlc next April. Makes you wonder how far along they are.
    If they were able to reuse some of the underlying Rory work that was already done and just keep iterating it and bringing it forward, as well as knowing that they've been working on this since last Summer at least, I am hopeful for something this calendar year.
    I know some won't like this, but I'd much rather they release with "what they have" and then add to it over time (like was the plan with Rory), but actually continue doing that this time.
    I fully expect them to try to do a Season Pass/subscription type thing and, again I know this will upset some users, I'm fully onboard.
    I'm getting too old to keep waiting and worrying about the annual costs.
    I want the best looking, best playing, constantly being worked on next generation golf experience and I'm absolutely willing to pay for it on a recurring basis.
    I get so much enjoyment out of this genre that I don't want them cheaping out and jumping ship again due to the financials not seeming "worth it" to them.
    scagwi
    If they were able to reuse some of the underlying Rory work that was already done and just keep iterating it and bringing it forward, as well as knowing that they've been working on this since last Summer at least, I am hopeful for something this calendar year.
    I know some won't like this, but I'd much rather they release with "what they have" and then add to it over time (like was the plan with Rory), but actually continue doing that this time.
    I fully expect them to try to do a Season Pass/subscription type thing and, again I know this will upset some users, I'm fully onboard.
    I'm getting too old to keep waiting and worrying about the annual costs.
    I want the best looking, best playing, constantly being worked on next generation golf experience and I'm absolutely willing to pay for it on a recurring basis.
    I get so much enjoyment out of this genre that I don't want them cheating out and jumping ship again due to the financials not seeming "worth it" to them.

    I’m fully expecting some type of ultimate team mode filled with micro transactions will be coming. Same with 2k...not sure what there version is called.
    Yep - Agreed
    There will be some modes and ways of doing things that I already know aren't going to be for me.
    Hopefully everyone can understand in advance that it won't be a 100% win here. The landscape of modern gaming should be expected and I personally just feel fortunate to have both big players involved with golf in 2021 and beyond.
    bigkev
    I really couldn't care less if it's this year or next or even 2023 as long as it's a finish product with lots of contents.

    I would actually prefer they release a core game and do content and fixes every few months.
    I find that modern games are better when they get continually worked on as opposed to trying to build up to some big release where entire features/content can be deemed to be either in or out of the release "until the next one"
    I guess nothing is a guarantee of success of course.
    I mean just look at what HB2K is doing.
    Instead of fixing core problems, they keep releasing content and modes of play nobody seems to be asking for...
    ..like "divot derby royale" :nono:
    Fixes every few months won't cut it, the game will have to be very polished out of the gate, specially if they don't have a courses creator. It was a core in Rory, but not nearly good enough to please the customers.
    One thing I'm expecting soon, TW14 won't be on the server anymore. With 2K now firmly in control after buying HB, I expect the TGC games won't be on servers either.
    bigkev
    Fixes every few months won't cut it, the game will have to be very polished out of the gate, specially if they don't have a courses creator. It was a core in Rory, but not nearly good enough to please the customers.
    One thing I'm expecting soon, TW14 won't be on the server anymore. With 2K now firmly in control after buying HB, I expect the TGC games won't be on servers either.

    The thing I fear most about the TGC/2K golf games is their near entire reliance on being connected to the servers. Once those games are pulled of the servers, they're not worth the plastic case they game in. No created courses, no societies, no career mode. Just a golf game that only allows local matches at the handful of official courses in game.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    The thing I fear most about the TGC/2K golf games is their near entire reliance on being connected to the servers. Once those games are pulled of the servers, they're not worth the plastic case they game in. No created courses, no societies, no career mode. Just a golf game that only allows local matches at the handful of official courses in game.

    And you know it's coming too with new gen consoles, I'm still surprise TW14 is on the server after all those years on PS3. The writing is on the wall though, getting 150 online at the same time is rare now. Most have moved to the 2K/HB game.
    bigkev
    And you know it's coming too with new gen consoles, I'm still surprise TW14 is on the server after all those years on PS3. The writing is on the wall though, getting 150 online at the same time is rare now. Most have moved to the 2K/HB game.

    The real reason the writing is on the wall is the servers themselves though.
    EA has, to their immense credit, kept the TW14 servers going all this time.
    I suspect they won't keep that going much longer once they have a new PGA title out there.
    We all bash EA plenty, so definite kudos to them for keeping those going all this time.
    bigkev
    Fixes every few months won't cut it, the game will have to be very polished out of the gate, specially if they don't have a courses creator. It was a core in Rory, but not nearly good enough to please the customers.
    One thing I'm expecting soon, TW14 won't be on the server anymore. With 2K now firmly in control after buying HB, I expect the TGC games won't be on servers either.

    Just to clarify what I was getting at.
    I also expect polish out of the gate, but I don't expect it to release with 20+ courses straight away. They take time and a lot of effort at the quality level of the Rory courses. And no matter how many courses it releases with, I hope they take a "platform building" approach to this and plan to do many DLC course & content additions over time (optional of course).
    My comment on fixes is more just about an ongoing commitment to keep working on all of those aspects - unlike 2K, who's just busy pumping out fairly nonsense extra content while leaving major issues mostly unaddressed.
    scagwi
    Just to clarify what I was getting at.
    I also expect polish out of the gate, but I don't expect it to release with 20+ courses straight away. They take time and a lot of effort at the quality level of the Rory courses. And no matter how many courses it releases with, I hope they take a "platform building" approach to this and plan to do many DLC course & content additions over time (optional of course).
    My comment on fixes is more just about an ongoing commitment to keep working on all of those aspects - unlike 2K, who's just busy pumping out fairly nonsense extra content while leaving major issues mostly unaddressed.

    I don’t think EA would get away with releasing two bare bones golf game in a row. It’ll solidify 2k’s victory out of the gate. My expectations may be up a little high, but I’m expecting TW ‘14 level content day 1 minus Augusta.
    jbd345
    I don’t think EA would get away with releasing two bare bones golf game in a row. It’ll solidify 2k’s victory out of the gate. My expectations may be up a little high, but I’m expecting TW ‘14 level content day 1 minus Augusta.

    I dunno...I mean, I obviously hope you're right, but I feel like you're setting yourself up for disappointment here....
    MrArlingtonBeach
    May 2020
    I am seeing the re-addition of Augusta as a "pie in the sky" dream right now...but 2K adding Tiger, to me, shows that anything is possible at this point.

    Having Tiger accept some money from 2k to sign his name doesn't mean much to me. Last time I looked he didn't develop video games.
    The one thing HB's golf game had going for it other than a pretty good putting interface was the course designer. Now with EA back in the game they have to ditch Unity and most probably the course designer.
    Not that I care but if EA can make decent pro models with semi believable swings the every day fan will pick up the EA game.
    jbd345
    I don’t think EA would get away with releasing two bare bones golf game in a row. It’ll solidify 2k’s victory out of the gate. My expectations may be up a little high, but I’m expecting TW ‘14 level content day 1 minus Augusta.

    That's the way I see it too, another bare bones golf game won't sell. EA quit after selling 800K of Rory, I presume they want at least 1M copies sold to have a decent return of investment. No way they will have TW14 content, they had 15 rl courses by the time they quit. I'm expecting more like 30 PGA courses out of the gate and adding from there. And without Country Clubs to compete with the Societies of 2K/HB, I don't think it's going to sell well either.
    You think the EA game will launch with 30 PGA courses?
    I would totally love that....
    But there is no way.
    Absolutely zero chance of that and I'll eat crow all day long here if I'm wrong.
    You guys are setting expectations WAY out of whack here.
    If EA can release a game with several majors and some other PGA courses, get lobbies, tournaments, career mode right and have some actually playable Pros', they are in business.
    They can grow from that base...
    It's going to be easier to beat HB/2K at the PGA Tour oriented arcade golfer market than we think.
    Those clowns can barely manage to correctly display "who won the event"
    They're building from Frosbite, so from Rory. They already had 3 licensed Majors in career mode, lobbies for ranked and unranked for each mode, daily and weekly tournaments for each mode, and several playable pros. It's already all in there, plus 15 real life courses. What's needed is adding PGA courses for career mode, which I'm sure they've been building for a year. Then the ability to make 'my golfer' looks like my golfer as in the Tiger games and Country Club.
    I have my own preference for the pro shop as I really like the sponsors thing in TW 12 an 13, but adding to what they've been doing on Rory which is the same system as in 14 is okay. I know that licensed clothing/equipment contents is very important for many. It looks like 2K is giving that in spades right now.
    Agree with all that - but the jump to "launch with 30 PGA courses" is too much.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they get to that after a couple years, but not at launch.
    I wish I could find some of the links from the Rory days about how much more labor intensive the new courses are to make. It's a major undertaking -- much more so than the ones HB puts out honestly.
    None of the HB real life recreations really give me the vibe of "being there"...you can always tell they got washed through that course designer of theirs. It's ok..just not as amazing as what one would expect for modern and next gen.
    scagwi
    Agree with all that - but the jump to "launch with 30 PGA courses" is too much.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they get to that after a couple years, but not at launch.
    I wish I could find some of the links from the Rory days about how much more labor intensive the new courses are to make. It's a major undertaking -- much more so than the ones HB puts out honestly.
    None of the HB real life recreations really give me the vibe of "being there"...you can always tell they got washed through that course designer of theirs. It's ok..just not as amazing as what one would expect for modern and next gen.

    When I said “TW ‘14 level content” I meant the amount of content a AAA video game should have. When Rory had “night golf” or whatever it was called as a selling point, I knew that game was doomed. I think anywhere between 15-20 courses is a fair ask for a company like EA
    I certainly hope for as much content as we can get.
    I'm just being realistic and expecting 20-30 PGA courses at launch feels like a stretch and setting oneself up for disappointment.
    scagwi
    I certainly hope for as much content as we can get.
    I'm just being realistic and expecting 20-30 PGA courses at launch feels like a stretch and setting oneself up for disappointment.

    I look at it this way:
    PGA 2K21 came with 15 licensed courses in the game at launch:
    TPC Sawgrass (THE PLAYERS Championship)
    TPC Deere Run (John Deere Classic)
    TPC Summerlin (Shriners Hospitals for Children Open)
    TPC Scottsdale (Waste Management Phoenix Open)
    Atlantic Beach Country Club
    TPC Twin Cities (3M Open)
    Riviera Country Club (Genesis Invitational)
    TPC San Antonio (Valero Texas Open)
    TPC River Highlands (Travelers Championship)
    East Lake Golf Club (TOUR Championship)
    Quail Hollow Club (Wells Fargo Championship)
    Copperhead (Valspar Championship)
    TPC Boston (THE NORTHERN TRUST)
    TPC Southwind (WGC – FedEx St. Jude Invitational)
    TPC Louisiana (Zurich Classic)
    They have since added 2 more courses via free DLC to correspond with their Clubhouse Pass seasons:
    Detroit Golf Club (Rocket Mortgage Classic)
    Bay Hill Club & Lodge (Arnold Palmer Invitational)
    EA's golf game needs to at least match this at launch - 15 is a good place to start. Amazingly, that would be about TWICE as many courses came with Rory at launch...
    And we already know of two courses EA's game will have:
    Pebble Beach
    TPC Sawgrass
    So I'd expect EA to come to launch with those two, plus about 10-15 more. And I'd expect a couple of those courses to be from Scotland/Ireland/Australia/the UK, as PGA 2K acts like golf outside the US doesn't exist in terms of licensed courses. Just my educated guess, I suppose.
    Then I'd also assume more courses will be added in the future, via DLC. Now whether those will be free or paid DLC of course remains to be seen, but I think, within a year or so of release, we could see an EA golf game with 20-25 courses in the mix. It will just take a little while to get there.
    With 15 to 20 courses, it will be one and done again. EA will sell even less copies than Rory. Most of those Sim guys over there aren't coming back for that. The TGC Tour is well in place and others have Societies with unlimited copies of real life replica courses to insert in their seasons. And you've got all others who couldn't care less about career mode, they just want to play an unlimited amount of different courses. We read them here from time to time, they can't understand why someone would want to play the same courses all the time. EA would need a courses creator just like HB to attract those guys.
    And to add more, lots of them over there think they're the guardians of golf, anything looking close to arcade is frown upon. I'm sure EA will have a full arcade mode to get back those guys who tried the 2K game, they're not welcome over there and there's nothing for them other than head to head. And the battlefield and other fantasy courses are coming back too, they're already built in the game.
    And if 2K and EA think they're going to sell close to 2M copies again. :lol: :lol: :lol:
    bigkev
    With 15 to 20 courses, it will be one and done again. EA will sell even less copies than Rory. Most of those Sim guys over there aren't coming back for that. The TGC Tour is well in place and others have Societies with unlimited copies of real life replica courses to insert in their seasons. And you've got all others who couldn't care less about career mode, they just want to play an unlimited amount of different courses. We read them here from time to time, they can't understand why someone would want to play the same courses all the time. EA would need a courses creator just like HB to attract those guys.
    And to add more, lots of them over there think they're the guardians of golf, anything looking close to arcade is frown upon. I'm sure EA will have a full arcade mode to get back those guys who tried the 2K game, they're not welcome over there and there's nothing for them other than head to head. And the battlefield and other fantasy courses are coming back too, they're already built in the game.
    And if 2K and EA think they're going to sell close to 2M copies again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    My thought is that EA's golf game will have a course creator. It would be 15-ish courses off the bat, with a course creator included. Then, DLC will eventually get the official course list up to 20-25, and there will be a library of created courses to play.
    I guess my total thought is that EA will commit to more official courses than 2K will, even with a course creation tool.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I look at it this way:
    EA's golf game needs to at least match this at launch - 15 is a good place to start. Amazingly, that would be about TWICE as many courses came with Rory at launch...
    And we already know of two courses EA's game will have:
    Pebble Beach
    TPC Sawgrass
    So I'd expect EA to come to launch with those two, plus about 10-15 more. And I'd expect a couple of those courses to be from Scotland/Ireland/Australia/the UK, as PGA 2K acts like golf outside the US doesn't exist in terms of licensed courses. Just my educated guess, I suppose.

    To add to those 2 (Sawgrass was already in Rory) and what is already in there, but they need the licenses:
    Bay Hill
    St. Andrews
    Royal Troon
    TPC Boston
    TPC Scottsdale
    Whistling Straits
    Wolf Creek
    Oakmont
    East Lake
    Quail Hollow
    PGA West
    Chambers Bay
    Banff Springs
    bigkev
    To add to those 2 (Sawgrass was already in Rory) and what is already in there, but they need the licenses:
    Bay Hill
    St. Andrews
    Royal Troon
    TPC Boston
    TPC Scottsdale
    Whistling Straits
    Wolf Creek
    Oakmont
    East Lake
    Quail Hollow
    PGA West
    Chambers Bay
    Banff Springs

    I really hope they don't just use the exact same course list from Rory, though...I hope they switch some of it up. I could do without seeing Wolf Creek again in all honesty. And I love Banff, too, but I'd rather they use actual tour stops: Torrey Pines, Waialae, Kapaula (Plantation), PGA National, Harbour Town, plus all the ones in PGA 2K that host actual PGA Tour events. I guess they could keep Banff and Wolf Creek - just add more real Tour tracks, please!
    To me, the weakness in 2K's game is the sheer waste of the PGA TOUR license. We know EA's game will have playable pros, and that's a big improvement over 2K. Now, if EA can get even more real tour stops, they'd offer a much more immersive career mode than 2K.
    Man, golf fans are so fussy. No wonder EA quit making golf games for years. :lol:
    Nothing wrong with Banff, the Canadian Open is rotating these days and Glen Abbey is going to be destroyed to make condos. The list you've got there is what they're probably adding in the game for the past 12+ months.
    bigkev
    Man, golf fans are so fussy. No wonder EA quit making golf games for years. :lol:
    Nothing wrong with Banff, the Canadian Open is rotating these days and Glen Abbey is going to be destroyed to make condos. The list you've got there is what they're probably adding in the game for the past 12+ months.

    I don't think it's too much to ask that a PGA TOUR-licensed game offer as many PGA TOUR courses as possible. If that means courses that don't get any use on Tour or in majors don't make the cut, I am OK with it.
    I think the good news is that all those courses I mentioned have been featured in an EA golf game at some point, so getting them in the game isn't out of the question.
    I will be interested to see how many courses span both 2K and EA games...
    It's amazing how quickly we went from "nobody cares about golf games"...
    to...
    "we DEMAND 30 PGA courses -- AT LAUNCH!"
    :signball:
    I'm so excited for next-generation Frostbite visuals here..
    :drink:
    I love how all you guys are so stoked for another EA game.
    I mean it’s not like we don’t know that every sports game for the last 7 years from these guys suck the big one right?
    All there sports games have been copy and paste, removing features only to give them back in tiny intervals and calling them new again lol
    I have ZERO faith in EA and I think you will all be mightily disappointed when this golf game launches.
    It’s the new guys now that are going to be driving the sports genres. The folks from ESBC, HB, SDS, etc.
    That’s the future. EA is stagnant, bloated, greedy and lazy.
    lions67
    I love how all you guys are so stoked for another EA game.
    I mean it’s not like we don’t know that every sports game for the last 7 years from these guys suck the big one right?
    All there sports games have been copy and paste, removing features only to give them back in tiny intervals and calling them new again lol
    I have ZERO faith in EA and I think you will all be mightily disappointed when this golf game launches.
    It’s the new guys now that are going to be driving the sports genres. The folks from ESBC, HB, SDS, etc.
    That’s the future. EA is stagnant, bloated, greedy and lazy.

    Yep, EA is definitely the only company that does that.
    SDS and HB are the furthest thing from being "new guys"...and they've shown they're just as guilty as other devs as leaving modes to wither and die, while focusing entirely on maximizing profits.
    Let's look at SDS: they've added next to nothing to their Franchise Mode for the better part of a decade. Instead, they've put most of their attention and resources into Diamond Dynasty. They removed Season Mode a few years ago (without telling anyone before they did so), and instituted March to October, a mode which directly ties back into Diamond Dynasty, as well.
    HB can't do math correctly, and instead of fixing issues, they just keep propping up their Clubhouse Passes and making sure everyone knows how their game is on sale again this week so go and buy it! They don't patch problems, only include vague notes when they do offer an update, and 2K Support is the most worthless customer service platform I've ever used.
    I am by no means saying EA is the savior of sports games, and I'd agree they're one of the worst offenders when it comes to microtransactions and overall complacency. But they aren't the only ones, and the entire industry right now is in shambles in terms of ingenuity and customer focus. I just hope that in virtual golf, having two large game companies go head-to-head, will bring some of that inspired development and actual innovation back to these games.
    True, SDS and HB are not “new guys” any longer, but put them up against EA and their catalogue and I would argue that they are indeed “young”.
    I cannot defend EA. They are terrible.
    Let’s look:
    Madden, Fifa, NHL, Boxing, Golf, Tennis, baseball and basketball. Just off the top of my head. None of those games have improved, some are completely gone due to their laziness in producing a decent game.
    A next gen system is no guarantee that they are heading back to the heydays of EASN glory.
    Take a look at NHL. To this day, that series is still “trying” to get back to what NHL 12 was like. The launch of NHL 15 on the PS4 was a disaster!
    Nope.... EA gets nothing from me any longer.
    They will have to do it the old fashioned way... they will have to “Earn It “
    Again, I am not saying EA hasn't done all those things. They are indeed a major part of the problems that face sports video games now. But you could say the same things about 2K and the NBA 2K games - especially when it comes to the over-reliance and aggressive application of microtransactions. If 2K hadn't innovated their MyLeague modes ahead of others, they'd be getting the same #FixFranchise treatment that Madden gets, too, I'd imagine.
    I am hoping that EA can bring some of the old magic back to their golf games. But I am not expecting it. I know they can turn out some garbage, too - I haven't purchased an EA Sports game at full price since...NCAA Football 14?!?!
    I bought Rory for around $10, got my last Madden and FIFA games as a gift years ago, and think I bought my last NBA Live game a while back for literally $3. So I am well aware of how bad EA can be...haha!
    My sliver of optimism comes from the idea of competition, which has been sorely lacking since the exclusive deal days when EA took over the NFL, and 2K took over MLB. I want the days of NFL 2K5 vs Madden 2005 back, when companies had to actually work hard to earn our money. That's what I hope can come out of this 2K vs. EA golf battle.
    Well I cannot argue that the HUT,FUT, MyTeam, etc micros have severely damaged the sporting games.
    They truly have.
    Pretty hard to put that horse back in the barn now though.
    Basics. These games all need to go back to the basics.
    There is only one sports game that has me jacked right now and that is the new boxing game from ESBC. But even that game, the hype may be more than it can handle!
    EA Games really can't and shouldn't necessarily be all grouped together as was implied in a few posts above.
    The development shop and the sport in question matter a lot.
    EA Tiburon has largely done great work on EA Golf games and I don't want to sack them too much re: Rory as it really feels like EA higher ups bailed on that before the devs got a chance to get even halfway with their longer term vision.
    lions67
    I love how all you guys are so stoked for another EA game.

    Why not be excited?
    The worst that happens is we're right back where we are right now, with the only option being the 2K/HB "meh" fest of inability to even make a leaderboard work right.
    At the very minimum here, just the threat of real competition in the space should surely perk up the ears, interest and attention of 2K.
    Their CEO was all excited about their unexpected 2k21 windfall -- well --- if he wants another one, he's going to have to invest and earn it now.
    That's great news for consumers.
    scagwi
    EA Games really can't and shouldn't necessarily be all grouped together as was implied in a few posts above.
    The development shop and the sport in question matter a lot.
    EA Tiburon has largely done great work on EA Golf games and I don't want to sack them too much re: Rory as it really feels like EA higher ups bailed on that before the devs got a chance to get even halfway with their longer term vision.

    Going by their track record, you most definitely can group all those games together!
    I guess I see this differently than some do.
    I'm going to judge EA Tiburon golf games -- based on their past work on golf games.
    I loved the general direction of many things in Rory (like the course specific unique conditions/characteristics and certainly the visuals). They needed more tweaking and time. It was always going to be a big and longer term project to finally go, at the time, "next-gen" as the older engine had mostly run its course.
    Unfortunately the bosses at EA bailed on it before they could get where they wanted to go.
    And before that, I thought they did a phenomenal job with the Tiger Woods golf games.
    I'd love a modern reimplementation of the concepts and visuals of the best of Rory and especially the TW games that immediately preceded it.
    Well that's the thing with public traded company. If they can't show the shareholders a good return to investments, the game is gone. If not, the shareholders are switching their investment to another company where they will make money.
    bigkev
    Well that's the thing with public traded company. If they can't show the shareholders a good return to investments, the game is gone. If not, the shareholders are switching their investment to another company where they will make money.

    It's not just a thing with a public traded company; it's the #1 rule in ANY business. Make money.
    Improving franchise/career modes don't make money. Ultimately, yes they do because it ties in with the game's overall sales, but the income potential is capped at the initial purchase. So, in comes the arrival of the other modes. PErsonally; I think the big issue here isn't that those modes exist, it's that they've managed to appeal to many players therefore generating additional revenue. Now you've got a "gimmick mode" making you additional revenue after the sale. Where are you going to invest your resources now? A mode that already paid you when you sold the game like Franchise/career, or a mode that makes you money after the sale, time and time again?
    It's not about publicly traded companies, its just the unfortunate rule of business. You want licensed courses, stadiums, teams, logos, uniforms, players, equipment etc. etc. That costs money. The more real we want these games, the more money they cost and therefore the more need there is for money making modes. That's where you're going to invest unfortunately.
    I hate it, but it is what it is now. It won't change anytime soon either IMO.
    I can see EA bringing this back with hopefully 15-20 licensed courses, and hopefully 20-30 licensed professional golfers, with Augusta and real equipment makers. That all costs $$$ though, so I also anticipate a MUT like golf mode & a story mode. It's the typical EA blueprint now, and every company does the same thing once the expenses for licensing keeps piling up.
    brandon27
    I can see EA bringing this back with hopefully 15-20 licensed courses, and hopefully 20-30 licensed professional golfers, with Augusta and real equipment makers. That all costs $$$ though, so I also anticipate a MUT like golf mode & a story mode. It's the typical EA blueprint now, and every company does the same thing once the expenses for licensing keeps piling up.

    I agree that it's essentially "how it's done" now.
    With that in mind, maybe we could refrain from singling out and bagging on EA about it.
    Games are expensive and time consuming to develop now -- and they have lots of licensing costs.
    That has to get paid for and it's hard to do without more revenue models than just old school "pay once" and "offline career mode" stuff.
    Well yeah, but a small company like HB could lose money for years building a game with hopefully a return to investment years later, that's when they were very nice with their community while building and making a name for themselves. A big public traded company with shareholders don't have this kind of patience.
    bigkev
    Well yeah, but a small company like HB could lose money for years building a game with hopefully a return to investment years later, that's when they were very nice with their community while building and making a name for themselves. A big public traded company with shareholders don't have this kind of patience.

    The spirit that was the HB golf effort died a couple years ago
    We all talk about the "community" over there with some seriously rose colored glasses. HB was all in on that and communicative and all hunky dory--- right up until they weren't.
    Then they went dark on most communications and updates, banned forum members saying things they didn't love and started seeking out companies to partner with and now ultimately getting acqui-hired by 2K.
    "Community" - sure - if it meshes with what they want/need at the time.
    Sometimes the ideologies and goals line up -- right up until they don't.
    I think that's my whole point - games can offer revenue-driven modes like Ultimate Team and MyTeam, but can also offer substantial value to gamers who want to play offline or in a career type mode.
    NBA 2K does this, as they offer a mode like MyTeam, which is all about microtransactions, card collecting, etc. But they also offer MyLeague, which allows users to set up the NBA however they want - including expansion teams, relocation, different rule changes, etc.
    There's nothing inherently wrong with the modes that make money. It's the fact that the rest of the game gets neglected, while the profit drivers are the only aspects that get looked at year in and year out.
    EA is guilty of this, no doubt. But they also have now seen that there can be backlash against the lack of improvement in areas like Madden's Franchise Mode. I hope they can take what they learned from the mistakes around Rory, as well as the issues with their other games, and create a golf title that offers plenty of ways for gamers to enjoy it, while bringing in money for the company as well.
    There's a big difference between Madden/NBA/FIFA and golf. Golf gamers are almost all much older, Gen X and Boomers. They're finicky, fussy and when not getting their way, voting with their wallet. Most hate DLC and micro-transactions, they just won't do it. The more DLC EA was including, the more the sale of Tiger were sinking even with the Masters in there.
    I can also include myself, although I did buy Rory right out of the gate, I never bought PGA 2K. The decision of abandoning Rory by EA was made a long time before the game was on sale for peanuts.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I really hope they don't just use the exact same course list from Rory, though...I hope they switch some of it up. I could do without seeing Wolf Creek again in all honesty. And I love Banff, too, but I'd rather they use actual tour stops: Torrey Pines, Waialae, Kapaula (Plantation), PGA National, Harbour Town, plus all the ones in PGA 2K that host actual PGA Tour events. I guess they could keep Banff and Wolf Creek - just add more real Tour tracks, please!
    To me, the weakness in 2K's game is the sheer waste of the PGA TOUR license. We know EA's game will have playable pros, and that's a big improvement over 2K. Now, if EA can get even more real tour stops, they'd offer a much more immersive career mode than 2K.

    This. Im currently crossing fingers for Oak Hill. Only course in history to host us open pga championship and ryder cup
    jbd345
    This. Im currently crossing fingers for Oak Hill. Only course in history to host us open pga championship and ryder cup

    Hazeltine, Valhalla, Oakland Hills, Kiawah Island, PGA National, and Atlanta Athletic Club have hosted both, and Whistling Straits will join that club later in 2021, too.
    However, Oak Hill is the only course to host all six of the men's major championships and events in the United States that rotate host sites - US Open, PGA, US Amateur, US Senior Open, Senior PGA, and Ryder Cup.
    (Sorry, I am a sports trivia nerd!)
    Anyway, since Oak Hill is hosting the 2023 PGA, and was in Tiger Woods games in the past, I could totally see this course being added.
    Ok - you guys convinced me
    I'll take all those courses in EA PGA Tour
    ;)
    God I wish I could fire up this new game right now and play them all..
    Masters week always gets me excited for a new warm summer golf season I think.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Hazeltine, Valhalla, Oakland Hills, Kiawah Island, PGA National, and Atlanta Athletic Club have hosted both, and Whistling Straits will join that club later in 2021, too.
    However, Oak Hill is the only course to host all six of the men's major championships and events in the United States that rotate host sites - US Open, PGA, US Amateur, US Senior Open, Senior PGA, and Ryder Cup.
    (Sorry, I am a sports trivia nerd!)
    Anyway, since Oak Hill is hosting the 2023 PGA, and was in Tiger Woods games in the past, I could totally see this course being added.

    One thing in our favor for getting Oak Hill is that all of the field work assocated with creating the video game version of the course has already been done.
    I notice that on April 1 a job got posted for a Gameplay Software Engineer on PGA Tour down at EA Tiburon in Orlando.
    That was the only listing I could find re: PGA Tour
    I really hope it means they quietly were already working on this and only now are publicly listing jobs specifically for the PGA Tour title since it was officially announced.
    The alternative would mean they are only now ramping up efforts seriously and we could be looking at a full year or more before anything is released.
    scagwi
    I notice that on April 1 a job got posted for a Gameplay Software Engineer on PGA Tour down at EA Tiburon in Orlando.
    That was the only listing I could find re: PGA Tour
    I really hope it means they quietly were already working on this and only now are publicly listing jobs specifically for the PGA Tour title since it was officially announced.
    The alternative would mean they are only now ramping up efforts seriously and we could be looking at a full year or more before anything is released.

    The latter would be my guess. I just sort of feel like in this day and age, a big project like a licensed professional sports game from a major AAA publisher doesn't stay quiet for over a year, so I'll bet it's still in the relatively early stages of development. I obviously have no real insight into this so I hope I'm wrong, but I would not expect a game this year from EA.
    pietasterp
    The latter would be my guess. I just sort of feel like in this day and age, a big project like a licensed professional sports game from a major AAA publisher doesn't stay quiet for over a year, so I'll bet it's still in the relatively early stages of development. I obviously have no real insight into this so I hope I'm wrong, but I would not expect a game this year from EA.

    I would generally agree with you for sure.
    The one curve ball here is that I first heard EA was getting back into Golf all the way back in June of last year from a video game reporter online.
    It would seem odd that they were talking about it way back then in a way a reporter would find about it, but only now be ramping up.
    I still have this sneaking suspicion that an E3 announcement and a late Fall into Thanksgiving release might be in the cards to try to capture holiday sales perhaps.
    No matter when it will release, I really hope they do some trailers over time to keep some excitement going. I'm really curious to see how it will look.
    scagwi

    No matter when it will release, I really hope they do some trailers over time to keep some excitement going. I'm really curious to see how it will look.

    Me too.
    I remember when NBA2K7 or 8 released their first "next gen" screenshots back at the dawn of the XBox360/PS3 era, I flat-out didn't believe that those were the actual graphics of the game. It was light-years beyond anything anyone had ever seen in a sports game, and it also signaled the beginning of the end for NBA Live, because they had moved the ball so far forward there was no way EA was ever going to catch up.
    I'm not getting my hopes up that EA's PGA Tour game will look that revolutionary, but if it is even close to looking like a AAA golf game on next gen should look, that would be a sight to see.
    Wow, amazing news!
    May be just me but I really hope they knock brands out of the park... I'm talking the major brands like Titleist, Ping, Nike, etc,... I believe 2k has most, if not all of these.
    The Kid 24
    Wow, amazing news!
    May be just me but I really hope they knock brands out of the park... I'm talking the major brands like Titleist, Ping, Nike, etc,... I believe 2k has most, if not all of these.

    2K21 has all those in game, except for Ping. And Nike is not a brand that's wearable by the MyPlayer - it's only shown on pros like Tony Finau and Cameron Champ.
    drewzer300
    Anyone else getting their hopes up that when they say 'More info to be released in the coming weeks" that it means they are going to announce that Augusta will be added to the game during Masters week?!?!?!?! :popcorn:

    I called it.... :cool:
    EA says it worked closely with Augusta National to "meticulously" capture the golf course and its traditions for the new game. "EA Sports employed first of its kind aerial scanning to collect millions of data points, previously inaccessible in golf games, to recreate the unparalleled beauty of Augusta National authentically in the game," EA said.
    scagwi
    EA says it worked closely with Augusta National to "meticulously" capture the golf course and its traditions for the new game. "EA Sports employed first of its kind aerial scanning to collect millions of data points, previously inaccessible in golf games, to recreate the unparalleled beauty of Augusta National authentically in the game," EA said.

    Well 2k it was a nice run.... :wave:
    Having all 4 majors and the FedEx Cup is a big deal for me. Not for everyone (the old "Links" series on PC was and still is my all-time favorite golf series and it had literally no licenses or career to speak of), but for me, at this point, I would love to see an "NBA2K" or "MLB The Show" level of care and detail and polish in a PGA Tour sim for really the first time ever. It's odd, but golf is one of the few sports with a legacy of video games that has basically never had a fully featured pro simulation released.
    If the FedEx Cup is in and faithfully reproduced, that means at the least East Lake is in the game (not my favorite course to be honest but that's neither here-nor-there), and presumably also the other courses in the rotation (e.g. Liberty National, Medinah). If they can at least have a decent sample of other official tour events (Farmer's Insurance @ Torrey, AT&T @ Pebble, Player's Championship @ Sawgrass), now we're talking a serious PGA Tour sim.
    As always, gameplay will be paramount, and I hope they don't go arcade-y like the Tiger Woods series, but we'll have to wait and see how that goes. But as for the rest, it's looking pretty darn intriguing at the moment.

    Addendum: if they mo-cap Freddie Couples' and Ernie Els' swings to use with their characters in the game, I'm 100% in on day 1. I'd play the game just to watch them swing a club.
    The Kid 24
    Wow, amazing news!
    May be just me but I really hope they knock brands out of the park... I'm talking the major brands like Titleist, Ping, Nike, etc,... I believe 2k has most, if not all of these.

    Agree - 2k does not have Nike as a wearable brand for your character. EA has always had Nike.
    Should be interesting...
    The worst part for 2K is that I’m sure Tiger was negotiating with both sides and they may have had to overpay to get him.
    (Maybe not...EA knows all about the pros/cons of working with him and paying him X and what it can mean or not to the game - EA may have simply passed if it wasn’t X price or less. )
    At this time and place in the golf game world, having Augusta National and the Masters is absolutely a better move than Tiger’s name
    scagwi
    The worst part for 2K is that I’m sure Tiger was negotiating with both sides and they may have had to overpay to get him.
    (Maybe not...EA knows all about the pros/cons of working with him and paying him X and what it can mean or not to the game - EA may have simply passed if it wasn’t X price or less. )
    At this time and place in the golf game world, having Augusta National and the Masters is absolutely a better move than Tiger’s name

    They probably just reallocated resources to cover the cost of Augusta, which to your point, is more meaningful to golf games than having Tiger.
    Would love to have Tiger and Augusta back in the same game, but I guess we can’t be greedy :)
    I'll end up buying both games I suspect but this news definitely swung the pendulum in EA's favor in my opinion. Having all the majors is huge for the type of game I'm hoping for.
    Still rooting for 2K as well though. I like a lot about their game. It just feels it needs more polish and attention. We now know they can't have The Masters which is a blow.
    If EA's game is coming out next spring, will 2K beat them to punch and release their game sooner. Curious what the timelines are.
    i was hoping they would continue a build off of TW14 and it looks like they are. Don't know what that Rory bare bones game was.
    Hope to get good commentary like TW14 has.
    Things I ponder about the EA golf game, since my mind is spinning with all the news today - haha:
    - In the likely event this game has a card collecting mode, how will that work?
    - Will there be a "standard" version and a "special" version like they did with the Tiger Woods games? Can we play the Par-3 course, Augusta as it was in 1934, etc?
    - Will the EA game have a course creator at all?
    - Where can I get a next-gen console?
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Things I ponder about the EA golf game, since my mind is spinning with all the news today - haha:
    - In the likely event this game has a card collecting mode, how will that work?
    - Will there be a "standard" version and a "special" version like they did with the Tiger Woods games? Can we play the Par-3 course, Augusta as it was in 1934, etc?
    - Will the EA game have a course creator at all?
    - Where can I get a next-gen console?

    OMG NO!!! Don't even talk about that! Haha
    Where in Wisconsin are you? I'm in Wausau (Central WI) and I was able to acquire a 5 from good dude on Craigslist for $600.
    I really doubt there will be a course creator.
    I know many really love that (almost to the point of obsession) and I get it.
    I just think the type of product EA is going for here, and with the financial return they likely want/need, it's much more likely to get a ton of licensed content, DLC packs, etc, etc
    I've always maintained that, for me, I'll take a great list or real first party courses over endless third party course creator ones if that's indeed the bargain here.
    My hope is that this title will ultimately have at least as many courses as a fully bought/DLC'd TW14 had.
    This is another good thing about having the competition and both players involved. Folks wanting to keep doing the course creator thing can still use the 2k offering (assuming they always maintain the course creator also)
    Me?
    It's 2021 and we have incredible next generation hardware.
    I'm ready for realism and immersion on real world tracks the likes of which we've never seen.
    It's time. Enough waiting for later.
    The somewhat "lego brick built" shared asset "same" feel to all the 2k21 created courses just doesn't do it for me in this day and age with what's possible out there.
    Nice, I went to school in Stevens Point, so I am familiar with that area. I am further south now. I'll likely pick up a PS5 at some point, but thanks anyway!
    And I mostly kid about the card collecting mode...but again, it would be a shocker to not see that. What sports game doesn't have that mode in it these days? And even if it does have that, I see the fact that "Road to The Masters" is front and center on the cover, meaning they'll actually be focused more on career mode.
    I agree with you, scagwi...it will probably be like the TW games - paid DLC courses, maybe gear, things like that.
    I don't think a course creator is necessary in an EA golf game. The quality of the courses they've included historically is fantastic. Yes, I'm sure there will be DLC courses at a cost but EA always had plenty of good tracks.
    ComfortablyLomb
    I don't think a course creator is necessary in an EA golf game. The quality of the courses they've included historically is fantastic. Yes, I'm sure there will be DLC courses at a cost but EA always had plenty of good tracks.

    While I don't think it's necessary, I see there being an opportunity for EA to really shift the tide in the golf market by adding in some kind of creation tool. Now, I don't know if it would be as powerful or in-depth as the 2K/TGC one, but adding some kind of creator would take a lot of wind out of the 2K sails.
    Many who are firmly in the corner of 2K at this point point to the creator as what keeps them there. If EA offers one, on top of the majors, Augusta, Pebble Beach, etc....what else does 2K have then? Tiger woods, I suppose, but I don't know how far that will get you, especially given TW's current health status.
    C.J.S.
    i was hoping they would continue a build off of TW14 and it looks like they are. Don't know what that Rory bare bones game was.

    It's because they had to start from scratch with the Frosbite engine, they just couldn't copy the contents from Unity.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    While I don't think it's necessary, I see there being an opportunity for EA to really shift the tide in the golf market by adding in some kind of creation tool. Now, I don't know if it would be as powerful or in-depth as the 2K/TGC one, but adding some kind of creator would take a lot of wind out of the 2K sails.
    Many who are firmly in the corner of 2K at this point point to the creator as what keeps them there. If EA offers one, on top of the majors, Augusta, Pebble Beach, etc....what else does 2K have then? Tiger woods, I suppose, but I don't know how far that will get you, especially given TW's current health status.

    There a a lot of very good course designers who make very good free content now for 2k/HB but I am sure there would be a steep learning curve even for the best out there. Not sure EA wants to contend with all the crap out there on the server. Looking forward to playing a next gen golf game without concrete fairways and rough. Look at the ball physics in Rory and while not perfect they are much better than 2k.
    The other problem with even trying to offer a course designer for EA is that they are clearly taking a very hands on, very labor intensive, approach to custom creating all these amazing real world venues.
    It's a whole different beast to try to open up approachable access to those tools and methods ... and we likely would find some of it underwhelming in comparison to courses where they are "aerial scanning" (mentioned re: Augusta) and the like for insane detail.
    If they can offer something, I won't say no...but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that what I personally am really excited about is hyper detailed first party real world courses.
    Maybe that's where the divide will end up being; the golf market will split into guys that like designing courses/playing designed courses, and guys that want a simulated PGA Tour experience. Definitely room for both.
    pietasterp
    Maybe that's where the divide will end up being; the golf market will split into guys that like designing courses/playing designed courses, and guys that want a simulated PGA Tour experience. Definitely room for both.

    I think you're probably right...and I'd imagine that's the mindset that will probably keep 2K's game a viable option. Perhaps they simply keep a basic career mode, but put resources into building on and enhancing the course designer.
    Honestly, they don't really need the PGA TOUR license to do that. Just drop the PGA TOUR, call it Tiger Woods Golf 2K22, and leave it at that.
    When reading forums where the 2K/TGC diehards are posting, many claim they don't care about career mode, they'd rather have societies and lots of custom courses, etc. Seems like the PGA TOUR license is a big waste of money for 2K, when their core fanbase doesn't even care about it - even though by adding more PGA TOUR "stuff", they ended up selling a lot more copies...hahaha
    I think the problem for 2k if they go "no PGA" will be around the truth on how many of those 2M sales were somewhat drawn in by the licensed stuff.
    I think it's a reasonable chunk.
    The HB/2K crowd that loves designing courses and TGC Tours is super vocal and has been around for a while and I think we perhaps over index towards them a bit as a result.
    scagwi
    I think the problem for 2k if they go "no PGA" will be around the truth on how many of those 2M sales were somewhat drawn in by the licensed stuff.
    I think it's a reasonable chunk.
    The HB/2K crowd that loves designing courses and TGC Tours is super vocal and has been around for a while and I think we perhaps over index towards them a bit as a result.

    Oh, for sure. TGC Tours, while an important part of what makes TGC/2K21 popular, is such a small segment of the people playing this game. I mean, you can see the course plays in the game, and the officially licensed ones have millions of plays. Yet, some of the best courses in the game, made by TGC Tours folks, have play counts in the hundreds, maybe thousands.
    It was the first golf game by a major company in 5 years, I'm sure the sales had a lot to do with that. Most had never heard of HB and TGC.
    I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have sold 2M copies if it had been called "The 2K Golf Club" with no PGA Tour, Pros or licensed content
    HB had the PGA for TGC 2019, some of the TPC courses and how many copies did they sell? The 2K name and the pros featured in the game helped the sale big time, no doubt. A lot of customers thought they were getting similar to the EA Tiger game.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Oh, for sure. TGC Tours, while an important part of what makes TGC/2K21 popular, is such a small segment of the people playing this game. I mean, you can see the course plays in the game, and the officially licensed ones have millions of plays. Yet, some of the best courses in the game, made by TGC Tours folks, have play counts in the hundreds, maybe thousands.

    So, this got me wondering, what is the most played, non "Official" course in 2K21?
    It's a popular one from one of the TGC Tours designers - the course is called Sky Peaks Resort, Canada. I think it actually won some kind of "Designer March Madness" thing they did over there recently.
    It has an impressive 198,186 plays. However, it's the 40th most-played course in the game. The 39 ahead of it are all either officially licensed courses, or fantasy ones that HB included from previous TGC games and are labeled as "Official". This means they are getting plays from career mode/multiplayer.
    I mean, Bay Hill was added just about a month ago to 2K21, and it has about 50,000 more plays than Sky Peaks. And Sky Peaks has been in the game since Sept. 7, 2020 - 6 more months than Bay Hill.
    And, just for fun, the most popular course in PGA 2K21 is TPC Summerlin, with 3,213,979 plays. It just so happens to be the first real course you get to play in career mode...
    People want real courses, and want to play them in a functioning career mode.
    MrArlingtonBeach

    People want real courses, and want to play them in a functioning career mode.

    And they do not want to have to dig around on a video game forum to figure out what Augusta is going to be called this week before it gets taken down
    Have to be careful with the number of views, societies can boost that number big time. The head of HB knew what was coming, and I'm sure knew the sales would crash if they heard EA was coming back. They were very smart to sell the company to 2K and collect the big $. On the other end, it will probably be the end of that studio, 2K will have no use to it when the sales goes well under 500k.
    bigkev
    Have to be careful with the number of views, societies can boost that number big time. The head of HB knew what was coming, and I'm sure knew the sales would crash if they heard EA was coming back. They were very smart to sell the company to 2K and collect the big $. On the other end, it will probably be the end of that studio, 2K will have no use to it when the sales goes well under 500k.

    Right, Societies can boost the numbers. But I don't think people are clamoring to play the "official" HB courses like "Katagawa Country Club" or "Ocean of Memories" in Societies. Both those courses have over 2 million plays in the game, and are only ever seen in career mode.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I think you're probably right...and I'd imagine that's the mindset that will probably keep 2K's game a viable option. Perhaps they simply keep a basic career mode, but put resources into building on and enhancing the course designer.
    Honestly, they don't really need the PGA TOUR license to do that. Just drop the PGA TOUR, call it Tiger Woods Golf 2K22, and leave it at that.
    When reading forums where the 2K/TGC diehards are posting, many claim they don't care about career mode, they'd rather have societies and lots of custom courses, etc. Seems like the PGA TOUR license is a big waste of money for 2K, when their core fanbase doesn't even care about it - even though by adding more PGA TOUR "stuff", they ended up selling a lot more copies...hahaha

    I know why they think adding PGA to the name was a good idea but in my mind an abject failure. The don't look like or swing like their real life counterparts so what is the point? Fix career and lose the concrete playing surfaces and FFs get ball drops correct.
    bigkev
    Have to be careful with the number of views, societies can boost that number big time. The head of HB knew what was coming, and I'm sure knew the sales would crash if they heard EA was coming back. They were very smart to sell the company to 2K and collect the big $. On the other end, it will probably be the end of that studio, 2K will have no use to it when the sales goes well under 500k.

    Very true society plays skew the numbers. In my mind there is no designer even close to Arctic Fury and a handful of his courses are in the top 10 played.
    I have no idea how much it costs to keep servers open or to release a new game which is 90% of the previous game with basically no changes. If history is any guide 2k will drop a franchise in a minute if they can't make money on it even a superior offering.
    scagwi
    And now the worst part begins...
    The (presumably) long long wait until release
    :jpshakehe

    It'll be a long wait for sure, but for the first time in a long time, I feel like I've got an almost brand new, viable option to tide me over until then. Now that HB Studios has added the 60 Hz vsync option to PGA TOUR 2K21, I can play the game at 60 FPS on my Series X. It now feels like what PGA TOUR 2K21 should have felt like out of the gate. I know you're not a fan of the game, and I doubt the ability to play it at 60 FPS would do anything to offset the things that you dislike about it. I imagine there are a few others out there now who now share my renewed enthusiasm for 2K21 because of the 60 FPS capability.
    I'm sure as the launch date gets closer, my curiosity will start getting the best of me. The question that's foremost in my mind right now though is about the feel of the swing interface. I won't be able to get an answer to that until I get my hands on it via the EA Access Game Trial, the weekend before launch. I hope they bring back the Country Clubs with the Connected Tournaments they had in TW 14. It was really cool to see real time action of other players in the same tournament you were playing using that feature. It really made the tournaments feel "live".
    OnlookerDelay
    It'll be a long wait for sure, but for the first time in a long time, I feel like I've got an almost brand new, viable option to tide me over until then. Now that HB Studios has added the 60 Hz vsync option to PGA TOUR 2K21, I can play the game at 60 FPS on my Series X. It now feels like what PGA TOUR 2K2 should have felt like out of the gate. I know you're not a fan of the game, and I doubt the ability to play it at 60 FPS would do anything to offset the things that you dislike about it. I imagine there are a few others out there now who now share my renewed enthusiasm for 2K21 because of the 60 FPS capability.
    I'm sure as the launch date gets closer, my curiosity will start getting the best of me. The question that's foremost in my mind right now though is about the feel of the swing interface. I won't be able to get an answer to that until I get my hands on it via the EA Access Game Trial, the weekend before launch. I hope they bring back the Country Clubs with the Connected Tournaments they had in TW 14. It was really cool to see real time action of other players in the same tournament you were playing using that feature. It really made the tournaments feel "live".

    Totally agree with this...I will be working on new created courses and will be playing on some of the created tracks others come up with in 2K21 for the next year. The game offers enough to keep my interest, and it does still play a solid game of golf.
    I'm a card-carrying EA h8er (which I come by honestly, at least in my opinion, having played pretty much all of their games since the 1980s going back to "Dr. J vs Larry Bird 1x1" and formerly being a big fan), but I am excited to see what this game will look/play like. I'm not so dead-set against EA that I won't buy a game from them if it is legitimately good.
    I mean, I bought a less-than-legitimately-good Rory McIlroy PGA Tour game, so if they released an actually good game....(insert your favorite Fonzie/Fry/Quagmire gif here)
    I can't say I have too many nice words about EA either, to be honest. I don't really buy their games anymore - the last Madden I got was as a gift, as was the last FIFA. I think the last full-price EA Sports game I purchased was NCAA Football 14!
    But I don't have a ton of positives to say about 2K either. You've all seen my posts about the horrid PGA 2K21 career mode, and I still am sore over them acquiring the rights to exclusively make third-party MLB games way back when.
    But the one thing I always counted on EA to do right was golf, just like you could pretty much always count on 2K to get the NBA right - barring some missteps, of course (Rory for golf, and some of the more recent, DLC heavy NBA 2K games).
    I think sports games need competition again in the worst way, and this is a great battleground to watch. 2K is the defending champ, having just dropped a game that sold over 2 million copies. But EA is the old-timer trying to make a late-career comeback, like George Foreman. Been out of the game for a while, but still knows how to throw a punch. We shall see if EA can put it all together once again and regain the title like Foreman did, but getting The Masters/Augusta and all four majors is one hell of an opening salvo.
    Ea's game will no doubt look great, it's the micro-transactions and gimmicky crap they seem to come up with that give me doubts. There game will not cater to the sim crowd that much can be guaranteed.
    I really never liked the Tiger Woods series of games as much as others on here seemed to. The swing interface and overall look/feel of the games just never did it for me. I think Rory took a step in the right direction with regard to the overall look of the game (fewer dark/bland greens, more vibrant "pop" to the colors, etc) but my criticisms of that game have been well-covered by others on here, and needless to say I concur.
    Other thoughts I had was with regard to having real pros and their mo-capped swings: I think one of the 'mechanical' benefits of having mo-capped swings is similar to NBA2K, where you have to "release" the jump shot at the right time for a better shot (and every player's shot is unique), you could have timing-based inputs that correspond to the swing of whichever pro (or swing) you are playing with. For example, with Rory you would need to time the upswing and downswing in a more rhythmic way vs Matthew Wolff, where it's more of a violent/sudden transition, etc.
    And what about using both thumbsticks for the swing? It could introduce timing, rhythm, and coordination, as in the right stick is the right arm, left stick is the left arm, and you have to move them together as having one out of sync with the other would result in a fade/slice or draw/hook, etc. It seems like the possibilities are out there for anyone that cares to take a fresh look at how to control a swing.
    "The Sim Crowd"
    If one wants to go in literal debate circles, in perpetuity, simply bring up the word "sim" and what constitutes a "sim" (or not)
    :tongue::duck:
    pietasterp
    And what about using both thumbsticks for the swing?

    TW14 did just that (at higher/custom levels), but not for timing components.
    I'd love to see some of that on the new EA game, as optional stuff, on higher/harder modes for sure

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