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Tiger Woods Signs Long Term Exclusive Deal with 2K

Tiger Woods has signed a long term exclusive deal with 2K, the company announced today. As one of the greatest golfers of all time, Woods’ has won plenty of hardware. Tiger has 15 major championships, 82 PGA TOUR victories and is an 11-time PGA TOUR Player of the Year. He has the lowest career scoring average and is tied for the most career wins in PGA TOUR history.

“I am looking forward to making my return to the video game landscape, and with 2K and HB Studios, I’ve found the right partners to make it happen,” said Tiger Woods in January. “I’m honored to take part in this opportunity and look forward to sharing my expertise and insights as we build the future of golf video games together.”

Woods’ partnership with 2K includes rights for his name and likeness to appear exclusively in the PGA TOUR 2K franchise. This includes any other golf games published by 2K, during the partnership term. Woods will play an active role in the video game landscape as an Executive Director and consultant with PGA TOUR 2K. 2K will also partner with Woods’ TGR Foundation, which provides award-winning STEM curricula and college-access programs to offer underserved students the tools needed to thrive in school and beyond.

2K also announced it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire HB Studios, developers of PGA TOUR 2K21 and The Golf Club franchise. The acquisition is expected to close in the first calendar quarter of 2021, subject to customary closing conditions. Financial terms of both deals were not disclosed.

“Through our new partnership and acquisition of HB Studios, we’ve reaffirmed our commitment to the PGA TOUR 2Kfranchise, expanded on our successful independent studio model and invested in both the right people and resources to bolster our portfolio of world-class sports experiences,” David Ismailer, President at 2K.

HB Studios’ most recent release for 2K, PGA TOUR 2K21 has sold-in nearly two million units to date.

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  1. Got to think that this means we'll likely be getting a new game this year, rather than putting Tiger out there as DLC first up.
    Hopefully built from the ground up for PS5 and Series X
    grahamc
    Got to think that this means we'll likely be getting a new game this year, rather than putting Tiger out there as DLC first up.
    Hopefully built from the ground up for PS5 and Series X

    Oh man... with how well the current game plays on next gen i can’t imagine a native version for PS5.
    Also i would have to assume we are getting Nike apparel as well!
    WOW... didn't see this coming! It could bode well for the series, as I would think it probably would mean a new, more dynamic game engine... and who knows, maybe even AI pros we could play along with :)
    Perhaps the biggest surprise for me in reading this press release is that HB Studios will become a wholly owned studio for 2K. That's got to spell the end for the use of the Unity engine in the series, wouldn't you think? Whatever the case, it sounds like we're in for exciting times ahead!
    green94
    Oh man... with how well the current game plays on next gen i can’t imagine a native version for PS5.
    Also i would have to assume we are getting Nike apparel as well!

    Also surely has to herald the introduction of being able to play as the pros - can't think for a second they're going to spend as much money on a deal like this for him only to appear in a feature which most folk turn off.
    green94
    Oh man... with how well the current game plays on next gen i can’t imagine a native version for PS5.

    I'm excited to see a fully fleshed out version of this game on next-gen. I agree with you that the current game now plays well on next-gen hardware with the simple inclusion of the 60 Hz vsync option. PGA TOUR 2K21 now plays like it was supposed to play at 60 FPS on my XBox Series X. It's a night and day difference! There's so much more that they could do with it using the additional processing power of the next-gen consoles. I'm looking forward to the day when we can sufficiently read greens just by the quality of the shading and texturing of the surfaces in conjunction with the topography.
    grahamc
    Also surely has to herald the introduction of being able to play as the pros - can't think for a second they're going to spend as much money on a deal like this for him only to appear in a feature which most folk turn off.

    You covered another point I meant to hit upon... being also able to play 'as a pro'. That's never been a thing with me, but I see that desire expressed over and over again by what seems to be a sizeable portion of the user base. I'd love to see what that would do for the appeal of the game if it was addressed.
    I am pretty excited by this news, to be honest. It means, to me, that they are perhaps quite serious about growing this series and putting more resources into it.
    However, there's no way to know what this partnership will actually look like yet, and everything is speculation. I see on other forums that there are those already assuming that this means the course creator is going to be removed, that the PGA 2K series will become an "arcade" style game and less sim, etc.
    The thing to me is that I am even more bummed out about Tiger's car accident now. I have to think this was going to be a big-time announcement in the lead up to The Masters in April. Perhaps Tiger would even have been put into 2K21, and maybe even Augusta, too - given how intensely they were cracking down on using "Augusta" in the name of created courses.
    But now, with his career possibly over, it's still very uncertain to what extent Tiger will even be in the game. The announcement did say he's going to be an Executive Director and consultant during the series' development, too.
    Either way, having the biggest name in golf, as well as the single guy that got many people into virtual golf in the first place, is a huge deal and I am here for it.
    I just wonder if this changes anything in regards to the rumblings about a future EA Sports golf game...I kind of assumed that, if they wanted to make a splash to return to the world of golf, EA would need Tiger back...
    Wow this is incredible. Not expecting this at all. Wondering if he’ll become 2k’s golf namesake to what John Madden has become to ea sports. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2k.
    More than the Tiger stuff I hope they actually make the game more like golf. The lack of spin on approach shots and the really weird distance control issues around the green totally turned me off on the game.
    I'm cautiously optimistic, but honestly really mostly because of the 2K acquiring HB part of this.
    It's time for a ground up overhaul to remove and replace all the legacy aspects hanging around from TGC 1/2.
    I hope there's still a chance for an EA game, mainly because both 2K & EA put out their best when there is competition.
    I don't know if we can read anything about EA's possible ideas here just based upon the Tiger news.
    Tiger may have just not wanted to go back to EA (for many possible reasons)...and EA may want to tackle this in a way that doesn't involve his, no doubt, huge licensing fees.
    Maybe Tiger will play 2k21 and notice that he was leading the tournament when it finished, but didn't win for some reason?
    He might be the best hope to get that kind of crap fixed finally - :duck:
    scagwi
    Maybe Tiger will play 2k21 and notice that he was leading the tournament when it finished, but didn't win for some reason?
    He might be the best hope to get that kind of crap fixed finally - :duck:

    LOL ROFLMAO....
    Seriously though excited to see Tiger back in games. Unfortunately virtual golf may be all he can do from now on. Hope not though.
    This is exciting. Will have to see how it plays out but if this can somehow be a combination of what EA had with their Tiger Woods games and what HB has created from a difficulty standpoint (with all the great options to vary difficulty) maybe this becomes the golf game I hoped it could be.
    Did not see this coming.
    I'll get excited if we finally see a full visual overhaul.
    HB being acquired (as opposed to going with a totally different shop) isn't giving me the warm and fuzzies on that point though.
    I know you guys seem to love 2k21, but I swear man - I see some screenshots that look downright "PS3 era". It's just not good enough for next-gen and moving forward.
    If I'm being fully honest, I've seen TW12/13/14 look better than 2k21 at times.
    Graphics/visuals is one area in this series that does need a lot of attention. I agree that TW 14 and especially Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR look better than 2K21 - and it's not particularly close.
    I like the gameplay in 2K21, so I feel like the "bones" are there. Bringing HB in house, bringing the series to next-gen consoles, and seeing that 2K is willing to actually spend some money on the series makes me feel a little bit better that future versions of PGA TOUR 2K will address the areas in which 2K21 lacks - visuals, polish in offline career mode, stability in online matches and with servers, etc.
    I'm trying to be optimistic (no alternative really), but the HB part is my hangup here.
    Are we convinced that all they've been lacking is "more budget"?
    I've just never seen an HB product be truly polished, bug free and really fleshed out.
    Perhaps some new hires will help the situation?
    On the downside, I hope this doesn't mean a new game is still a full year away and slated for Spring 2022
    (as opposed to sometime this year)
    Anyone concerned about the future of the course creator, particularly when it's used to make real world courses?
    The more intertwined the series gets with Pro golfers, the PGA and now a big corporate owner (2k), the more difficult it will be to have unlicensed third party courses "exist".
    It's very easy for them to have someone patrolling the usual places to figure out which courses with random names to "take down".
    This is all assuming they see a future for the course creator portion of things at all.
    2K loves micro transactions....and "buying new courses" is a ripe and tasty target.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    ....the areas in which 2K21 lacks - visuals, polish in offline career mode, stability in online matches and with servers, etc.

    When I re-read this it cracked me up..
    So generally speaking you're saying the current game lacks in:
    1. How it looks
    2. How it plays offline
    3. How it plays online
    Not much left beyond that :duck:
    (relax everyone - mostly teasing - just sounded funny when I re-read it)
    This will be interesting as I think many like to create courses and be able to play many courses and there is probably a decent customer base who gets the game because of this feature.
    Personally I don't care about that part. I want as many real courses as possible. But it may be needed for the game to succeed.
    I believe Tiger Woods 08 PC version did have a course designer so the two may not be mutually exclusive.
    scagwi
    I'll get excited if we finally see a full visual overhaul.
    HB being acquired (as opposed to going with a totally different shop) isn't giving me the warm and fuzzies on that point though.

    Same for me... only hope in this direction is that they're starting from scratch with a new engine. Obviously they can't fix anything in career mode by adding or changing codes right now. Which is the direction EA went with Frosbite and Rory, but it's going to take lot of times to get contents in there. Keeping the course creator to do so would help a lot.
    scagwi
    Anyone concerned about the future of the course creator, particularly when it's used to make real world courses?
    The more intertwined the series gets with Pro golfers, the PGA and now a big corporate owner (2k), the more difficult it will be to have unlicensed third party courses "exist".
    It's very easy for them to have someone patrolling the usual places to figure out which courses with random names to "take down".
    This is all assuming they see a future for the course creator portion of things at all.
    2K loves micro transactions....and "buying new courses" is a ripe and tasty target.

    Seems a large portion of folks, especially on TGCTours, are really concerned about losing course creator. I think the concern stems from the assumption that, at some point, they're going to need to start using a new engine for this game.
    I can also see some concern from the licensing side of things - they really cracked down earlier in the year on Augusta replicas, and anything that uses "Pebble Beach", "Old Course" or "St. Andrews" also gets censored and is made unsearchable in the database.
    DLC is something that they already started to increase here in 2K21 - Clubhouse Passes were not in any previous The Golf Club game. However, neither were all these real-life brands, save for Under Armour and a few others which were in TGC 2019.
    I will say that I have been impressed and pleased that they've released multiple courses for free now - both real ones used on tour each year. I hope that continues as well, and DLC is restricted to those cosmetic items like clothing and shoes.
    jbd345
    Why do you post here? Serious question. It’s clear you have a bias.

    Name someone who doesn't have a bias?
    It's a discussion forum.
    Opposing viewpoints are allowed.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Seems a large portion of folks, especially on TGCTours, are really concerned about losing course creator. I think the concern stems from the assumption that, at some point, they're going to need to start using a new engine for this game.

    That is a really interesting point relating to a new engine.
    You're really spot on here I think.
    A new engine, which I would argue is needed for the long term/next gen, may indeed mean the end of the course creator just because of the work needed to "build it all over again".
    But, on the positive and optimistic side...
    I would think they need the same/similar tools internally to make courses for the game anyhow, so perhaps there'd be hope?
    scagwi
    When I re-read this it cracked me up..
    So generally speaking you're saying the current game lacks in:
    1. How it looks
    2. How it plays offline
    3. How it plays online
    Not much left beyond that :duck:
    (relax everyone - mostly teasing - just sounded funny when I re-read it)

    Haha...good point.
    My frustration is that, like I said, the "bones" are there. Gameplay is solid, but some parts can be tweaked (pitch shots, easy chipping, etc). The career mode has lots of real-life courses and events, sponsors, etc., but has glitched leaderboards. Online matchmaking works, but quitters aren't punished and servers can be iffy at times.
    There is a lot of "good" in there - but plenty of frustrating things that hold 2K21 back just enough to leave something to be desired. Perhaps more resources (money, more folks on the dev/QA team, or something) will allow these areas to be fully fleshed out and reach their full potential.
    scagwi
    Name someone who doesn't have a bias?
    It's a discussion forum.
    Opposing viewpoints are allowed.

    If you go back I deleted my post, realized we’ll just be going around in circles.
    MrArlingtonBeach

    DLC is something that they already started to increase here in 2K21 -
    I will say that I have been impressed and pleased that they've released multiple courses for free now - both real ones used on tour each year. I hope that continues as well, and DLC is restricted to those cosmetic items like clothing and shoes.

    To be honest, it could be a concern. HB said many times they didn't want to go DLC for courses. It's a new ball game now, they've been bought by 2K and they're running the business.
    bigkev
    To be honest, it could be a concern. HB said many times they didn't want to go DLC for courses. It's a new ball game now, they've been bought by 2K and they're running the business.

    Oh, for sure. I think them implementing the Clubhouse Pass system this year already made it very clear that any future iterations of this series will be ripe with DLC. This is just the start, IMO.
    Still, I am glad that they are committing to adding more real-life courses, even within 2K21, and bringing those into career mode as they get added. Whether or not they will keep doing so for free in the future is definitely up in the air.
    jbd345
    ....realized we’ll just be going around in circles.

    It definitely doesn’t have to be that way.
    I know you are frustrated because you sense that I don’t like this game, and you are correct.
    That said, it is the only game being actively developed and I am absolutely rooting for it to get better and hopefully fit into the space of something that I would actually love.
    I have been playing golf games forever and I don’t like being on the outside looking in, but the current 2k21 game just still doesn’t do it for me.
    Please try not to take it personally.
    It’s just a game.
    Some of us love it, some of us will remain skeptical still, but all of us should be here discussing it if we have even a passing interest.
    The one thing you never want to see is apathy.
    I feel like they could have waited a few weeks more for this announcement and not subjected themselves to so many meme comments.
    Let's home we get HDR on all platforms in the next version.
    Ronoko
    I feel like they could have waited a few weeks more for this announcement and not subjected themselves to so many meme comments.

    What are the meme comments?
    scagwi
    Anyone concerned about the future of the course creator, particularly when it's used to make real world courses?
    The more intertwined the series gets with Pro golfers, the PGA and now a big corporate owner (2k), the more difficult it will be to have unlicensed third party courses "exist".
    It's very easy for them to have someone patrolling the usual places to figure out which courses with random names to "take down".
    This is all assuming they see a future for the course creator portion of things at all.
    2K loves micro transactions....and "buying new courses" is a ripe and tasty target.

    Does anyone really see micro transaction happy 2K allowing user created free content? I would imagine anything new is for next year and current gen consoles. I won't be ponying up $400 for a new PS5 or equivalent to play a golf game.
    For sure this is the death of Unity and while I have no idea how user created courses would work with a new engine for sure all of the old courses would be gone. At any rate it should be interesting what they do. They need to carry difficulty levels forward though it has made quite a difference this year.
    It'd be interesting to know the behind the scenes of this last year between 2K/HB and perhaps how long negotiations went on.
    Remember how HB staff were going to participate on the 2k forums...but then never did?
    Also, HB to this day has never made a 2k21 area on their own forum. They continue to have people discussing 2k21 in a thread in the 2019 area - super bizarre.
    One wonders if there was talk of "more partnership"...then it cooled off...then the sales numbers got 2k back in big time..
    It feels like there's a fascinating behind the scenes story there.
    scagwi
    What are the meme comments?

    Not here. Won't mention the sites but not hard to find. Mostly from people who aren't into playing sports games and think this isn't the best time to build on Tiger Wood's brand.
    Ronoko
    Not here. Won't mention the sites but not hard to find. Mostly from people who aren't into playing sports games and think this isn't the best time to build on Tiger Wood's brand.

    Oh - gotcha.
    2K probably don't care since I think most all of us actual golf fans are pulling hard for Tiger personally.
    That show of Pros wearing his signature red/black outfit the other week was SO cool to see.
    scagwi
    Remember how HB staff were going to participate on the 2k forums...but then never did?
    Also, HB to this day has never made a 2k21 area on their own forum. They continue to have people discussing 2k21 in a thread in the 2019 area - super bizarre.

    It could also be very simple. As you know, they have thin skin over there at HB. As soon as the game came out, there were lots of criticism on the 2K board with everything that was wrong with the game. HB probably just went into hiding and barely communicating on their friendly board.
    The HB board will be gone for sure now, guys at HB will have their wish... just being the devs and letting 2K take care of the 'communications matters' :lol: on their forum.
    I think it's a positive sign that 2K feels strongly that there is a path forward in golf. I share scagwi's opinion in that I'm skeptical of HB studios and their ability to deliver (what I would consider) a really top-flight AAA game.
    From my perspective, PGA2K needs to have the sheen and polish of NBA2K or The Show for me to really feel like golf is having justice done. I honestly should not be able to tell the difference on first glance between a game of PGA2K or the Sunday CBS coverage of the Waste Management Open. I don't feel like that's asking too much, especially for a game in which there is only 1 moving character on-screen and zero character-character interactions.
    If there is a new game this year, I would consider that a bad sign, because it means they are just up-rezzing the current game or otherwise short-cutting to a new product. The game needs to be started all over again from scratch IMO, or else it's just a lipstick on a pig situation.
    All that having been said, I'm rooting HB/2K on here - like you guys, I want to love the golf game genre again. It was my original entry point into video games (not to mention by far my favorite sport in real life) and I'd love for it to be my go-to genre once again. As someone once said, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. I'm not indifferent to what happens next.
    Ronoko
    Not here. Won't mention the sites but not hard to find. Mostly from people who aren't into playing sports games and think this isn't the best time to build on Tiger Wood's brand.

    I'm sure there were several reasons. This kind of business acquisition had to come out for a public company. It serves notice to any other company that 2K IS the golf game with the Tiger Woods brand, trying to discourage other company. And notice that Tiger kind of took a shot at EA (I’ve found the right partners to make it happen), he obviously never forgot how it ended over there.
    I also wonder if this means EA is not going to go forward with a golf game. As great as 2K21 sold, I don't know if there is a market for 2 golf games (unfortunately)...
    bigkev
    As you know, they have thin skin over there at HB.

    That's an understatement.
    Frankly it really devalues a forum when you moderate out all but the "rah rah, way to go HB!" viewpoints.
    scagwi
    That's an understatement.
    Frankly it really devalues a forum when you moderate out all but the "rah rah, way to go HB!" viewpoints.

    Was about to post something that kind of validates this, and also shows it extends to some of the people they get as marketing partners, but it's not worth it. All I have to say is that Tiger is back in video game golf, and I like that quite a bit. However, the more-involved 2K news is the only thing that gives me a bit of concern, in terms of how DLC gets implemented in the future.
    pietasterp
    I also wonder if this means EA is not going to go forward with a golf game. As great as 2K21 sold, I don't know if there is a market for 2 golf games (unfortunately)...

    I noticed that the Tiger & 2K agreement specifically mentions exclusivity.
    Perhaps somebody can refresh our memory, but I don’t believe any of the other 2K21 arrangements are exclusive and the PGA one would appear to for sure not be just based upon the other games out there or coming (like GoldenTee).
    If the only thing exclusive here is Tiger Woods himself, I can’t use that to rule out EA maybe still doing something. He is the one single person who I would totally understand not being on a new EA game, if perhaps the relationship is fractured (or too expensive), etc.
    And candidly speaking, as much as I love Tiger and am a lifelong fan who is pulling hard for a great recovery for him.....with where his career is honestly at right now, I don’t really need him in any future video golf games.
    That would be wonderful gravy but I don’t really care about it either way.
    If we are being honest with ourselves, he really hasn’t been a major factor for a long time already.
    Tiger is still THE draw, it's huge for their game. I presume they will have him playable in the game, but with the same ability as all other golfers not to upset the folks on the TGC Tour. It's always complaining about unfair advantage.
    bigkev
    Tiger is still THE draw, it's huge for their game.

    Could you elaborate on that?
    What part of his involvement would be "the draw"?
    If he's in the game, but not playable (as the pros are now), does that change things?
    Does any of this change if he never plays professional golf again?
    Or are you saying just his name on "the box", so to speak, is going to move the needle more than the 2 million that already bought 2k21?
    I guess what I'm getting at, in a roundabout way, is....are we sure there's a lot more golf market out there to get?
    The sales numbers they threw around are huge (for golf)...
    I'm sort of wondering aloud how much uncaptured upside really could be out there?
    scagwi
    Could you elaborate on that?
    What part of his involvement would be "the draw"?
    If he's in the game, but not playable (as the pros are now), does that change things?
    Does any of this change if he never plays professional golf again?
    Or are you saying just his name on "the box", so to speak, is going to move the needle more than the 2 million that already bought 2k21?
    I guess what I'm getting at, in a roundabout way, is....are we sure there's a lot more golf market out there to get?
    The sales numbers they threw around are huge (for golf)...
    I'm sort of wondering aloud how much uncaptured upside really could be out there?

    I'll admit I'm in that category.
    Admittedly, between no professionals being playable, the underwhelming graphics quality, and no 60 FPS until recently, I haven't picked up 2k21 for my PS5. Have been close a few times when it's been on sale, but if either of those things were corrected/better, then I'd likely jump on it. I haven't picked up a golf game world since the TW series ended.
    beau21
    I'll admit I'm in that category.
    Admittedly, between no professionals being playable, the underwhelming graphics quality, and no 60 FPS until recently, I haven't picked up 2k21 for my PS5. Have been close a few times when it's been on sale, but if either of those things were corrected/better, then I'd likely jump on it. I haven't picked up a golf game world since the TW series ended.

    Well, admittedly, I'm also in that category (sort of) as I don't play 2k21 (I'm a Perfect Golf person).
    For me, Tiger being in/out/on the box does nothing..
    What I do hope is that signing him is a sign of a commitment and seriousness to a new approach that might finally bring an attention to all the things you mentioned, which are among the reasons I've not yet ever been onboard.
    For sim players, we couldn't care less about Tiger... we just want a great realistic golf sim. And for me and many others, a full PGA career mode like in TW14. But for a casual golf fan, they're watching golf only when Tiger is there. And they want to play Tiger, and they were very vocal when he was not in the last EA game. They were very upset they had replaced Tiger by Rory. They were even more vocal and those complaining Augusta was not in the game. That's my guess, Tiger will be playable in the next game but with similar ability as the other golfers.
    Edit: And oh before I forget, 2K/HB will never sell 2M copies again. Too many customers were very upset with the product not being fixed and the lack of communications.
    bigkev
    But for a casual golf fan, they're watching golf only when Tiger is there. And they want to play Tiger, and they were very vocal when he was not in the last EA game. They were very upset they had replaced Tiger by Rory.

    Very true on all fronts.
    I would add that Rory was now 6 years ago and coming off Tiger being in every game year after year, etc.
    The casual golf fan you mention may never watch Tiger play golf again, and they've now not had him in a golf video game for 7 years (will be probably 8 by the time 2k22/23).
    I agree that Tiger himself is not a big deal for most hardcore golf fans, but I suppose my linking his signing w/ 2K to EA less likely to get back into the golf game biz is based on a supposition (wrong as it may be) that EA wouldn't want to re-enter a relatively niche space like golf without a splashy headline athlete. I am speculating - based on no knowledge or data whatsoever - that had EA been interested in getting back into golf, they would have gone to Tiger first, locked him up as their cover star, and then proceeded with the game development. That may all be completely untrue, but it's what I'd do if I were EA.
    Tiger on the cover sells. I hope that means good things for PGA2K but we'll see.
    Personally, it's much more important for me that:
    1) the pros that are in the game are playable
    2) the pros that are in the game have their actual swings mo-capped and accurate
    It's ridiculous to see Justin Thomas and Bryson DeChambeau swing the club exactly the same way. Also, can we get some older guys in there? I would love to be able to play with Freddie Couples, if only to watch a mo-capped Couples swing throughout each and every round. That alone might almost be worth the price of admission. Ditto Ernie Els. A big part of watching golf (for me, anyway) is watching those guys swing the club. The choppy crappy swing animations in PGA2K currently are a huge turn-off for me. I mean, how is it that the guy in "Leaderboard Golf" has a much smoother/better looking swing than the guy in PGA2K21? That game came out in 1986 (!!!).
    EA was already fully in bed with Tiger and opted "out" last time around with the Rory game.
    I'm not quite following the logic that they'd need, let alone want, to return to that relationship if there were another effort. This feels even more true since we are now 7-8 years on from their decision to move away from Tiger.
    He's getting less relevant to newer/younger players, not more.
    (if we want to be charitable, we can say "staying at even par" I guess)
    Also, just to nip this in the bud up front, the reason Rory didn't do well because it was half baked, and borderline unfinished and completely content starved. It's hard to imagine Tiger being there or not had any impact -- and if it did, it surely was way way down the list of issues that Rory launched with.
    scagwi
    EA was already fully in bed with Tiger and opted "out" last time around with the Rory game.
    I'm not quite following the logic that they'd need, let alone want, to return to that relationship if there were another effort. This feels even more true since we are now 7-8 years on from their decision to move away from Tiger.
    He's getting less relevant to newer/younger players, not more.
    (if we want to be charitable, we can say "staying at even par" I guess)

    Well, like I said, that's just my personal hypothesis, it's not based on any facts.
    The logic, though, is that Tiger still moves the needle in golf more than any other player. For instance, the final round of the 2019 Masters was CBS's highest-rated golf broadcast in 34 years (albeit with the qualifier that it was the highest rated non-primetime broadcast, since that year you might remember they teed off the final round several hours early due to the potential for inclement weather). But what's even crazier is that the encore broadcast of that final round earned a 3.4 rating and 8 share, the third-highest rated golf broadcast on any network this year, behind only....the live third round and live final round of that same Masters.
    Tiger's impact on golf television ratings is undeniable. I suppose I'm making the argument by extension that his impact on other golf-related media is similarly powerful, which if anything, is burnished by today's announcement. If you're arguing that Tiger's impact doesn't translate to video game sales in 2021, I suppose that will be hard to either prove or disprove. But if I had a choice of any golfer to put on the cover of my game, it would be Tiger Woods. I'm not even sure who second place would be.
    Also, I never got the impression that EA discontinued their relationship with Tiger because they thought he was less relevant to golf fans. He was radioactive and then inactive for a while not all that long ago.
    All good fodder for discussion
    Hard to refute or disprove really any of it
    Hopefully they focus on making the game better and all those aspects we've discussed ad nauseam.
    I would imagine the majority of people interested in a golf video game, who are not playing 2k21 currently, aren't doing so out of a lack of star power, but rather the outstanding issues and oddities with the game itself.
    My bull case is that Tiger being in the mix will mean incredible commitment and a renewed focus and perhaps an entirely new engine to power the future of the series.
    My bear case is that he's a splashy name to simply try to capture as much audience as possible while 2k fully gets its teeth into monetizing more aspects of the whole experience.
    They bought up HB, so we can basically dismiss anything about how it has been in the past and/or the "vision" of HB and Anthony Kyne for TGC back in the day. It's an entirely new deal here I think.
    I'm hopeful for this:
    scagwi

    My bull case is that Tiger being in the mix will mean incredible commitment and a renewed focus and perhaps an entirely new engine to power the future of the series.

    But fearful of this:
    scagwi

    My bear case is that he's a splashy name to simply try to capture as much audience as possible while 2k fully gets its teeth into monetizing more aspects of the whole experience.

    scagwi

    They bought up HB, so we can basically dismiss anything about how it has been in the past and/or the "vision" of HB and Anthony Kyne for TGC back in the day. It's an entirely new deal here I think.

    Let's hope that's the case. Nothing against the original HB team, I think they did the best they could with their available resources, but I'm looking for the NFL2K or NBA2K of golf as their next stop.
    Also, if they end up mo-capping real pro swings, they gotta get Matthew Wolff on the roster. That bonkers swing (which David Feherty once described as looking like "a man being tased by a state trooper") would be so hilarious to play with in a game.
    scagwi
    Could you elaborate on that?
    What part of his involvement would be "the draw"?
    If he's in the game, but not playable (as the pros are now), does that change things?
    Does any of this change if he never plays professional golf again?
    Or are you saying just his name on "the box", so to speak, is going to move the needle more than the 2 million that already bought 2k21?
    I guess what I'm getting at, in a roundabout way, is....are we sure there's a lot more golf market out there to get?
    The sales numbers they threw around are huge (for golf)...
    I'm sort of wondering aloud how much uncaptured upside really could be out there?

    Yeah there is a reason why EA dropped out of golf to begin with. There isn't room for two basketball games there sure as heck isn't for 2 golf games.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Yeah there is a reason why EA dropped out of golf to begin with. There isn't room for two basketball games there sure as heck isn't for 2 golf games.

    Yet we are saying this on the heels of a massive sales number reported by 2K21..
    Does anyone know what the best numbers ever were for the Tiger Woods series?
    pietasterp
    I agree that Tiger himself is not a big deal for most hardcore golf fans, but I suppose my linking his signing w/ 2K to EA less likely to get back into the golf game biz is based on a supposition (wrong as it may be) that EA wouldn't want to re-enter a relatively niche space like golf without a splashy headline athlete. I am speculating - based on no knowledge or data whatsoever - that had EA been interested in getting back into golf, they would have gone to Tiger first, locked him up as their cover star, and then proceeded with the game development. That may all be completely untrue, but it's what I'd do if I were EA.
    Tiger on the cover sells. I hope that means good things for PGA2K but we'll see.
    Personally, it's much more important for me that:
    1) the pros that are in the game are playable
    2) the pros that are in the game have their actual swings mo-capped and accurate
    It's ridiculous to see Justin Thomas and Bryson DeChambeau swing the club exactly the same way. Also, can we get some older guys in there? I would love to be able to play with Freddie Couples, if only to watch a mo-capped Couples swing throughout each and every round. That alone might almost be worth the price of admission. Ditto Ernie Els. A big part of watching golf (for me, anyway) is watching those guys swing the club. The choppy crappy swing animations in PGA2K currently are a huge turn-off for me. I mean, how is it that the guy in "Leaderboard Golf" has a much smoother/better looking swing than the guy in PGA2K21? That game came out in 1986 (!!!).

    Mo cap is expensive but if the golfers don't look and swing like their real life counterparts why bother?
    I think next go around we get a new game engine fixed societies and career mode and some pros not mo capped along with a low real life course count more available for pay for play. Course creator would be a huge bonus. I do not think the game needs real life pro names with mediocre appearances and funky swings.
    scagwi
    Yet we are saying this on the heels of a massive sales number reported by 2K21..
    Does anyone know what the best numbers ever were for the Tiger Woods series?

    I think it is a gamble EA does not have to take. Maybe the increased sales numbers for 21 are due to the lockout. One of these decades that is sure to end.
    scagwi
    I noticed that the Tiger & 2K agreement specifically mentions exclusivity.
    Perhaps somebody can refresh our memory, but I don’t believe any of the other 2K21 arrangements are exclusive and the PGA one would appear to for sure not be just based upon the other games out there or coming (like GoldenTee).
    If the only thing exclusive here is Tiger Woods himself, I can’t use that to rule out EA maybe still doing something. He is the one single person who I would totally understand not being on a new EA game, if perhaps the relationship is fractured (or too expensive), etc.
    And candidly speaking, as much as I love Tiger and am a lifelong fan who is pulling hard for a great recovery for him.....with where his career is honestly at right now, I don’t really need him in any future video golf games.
    That would be wonderful gravy but I don’t really care about it either way.
    If we are being honest with ourselves, he really hasn’t been a major factor for a long time already.

    Arcade vs. Sim. I’m assuming others like golden tee can make arcade style/mobile games, much like how 2k can now make a football game again if it’s not sim. 2k is probably holding the simulation rights as exclusively
    My problem with this year's game is that it got too repetitive. I lost interest halfway through my first season because I was always chasing Justin Thomas who shot exactly -24 every. single. tournament. Since none of the pros were playable, I didn't have the opportunity to try to play the same course with different players. Even the bare-bones Rory McIlroy game allowed you 14 golfers to choose from.
    So, if this means Tiger is playable, that's a big plus. If it's just Tiger, though, I'm not sure how much this is going to change things. It'll bring in more casual fans, at least.
    Crazy Packers Fan
    My problem with this year's game is that it got too repetitive. I lost interest halfway through my first season because I was always chasing Justin Thomas who shot exactly -24 every. single. tournament. Since none of the pros were playable, I didn't have the opportunity to try to play the same course with different players. Even the bare-bones Rory McIlroy game allowed you 14 golfers to choose from.
    So, if this means Tiger is playable, that's a big plus. If it's just Tiger, though, I'm not sure how much this is going to change things. It'll bring in more casual fans, at least.

    It's funny, the only surprises in career mode are the glitchy AI scores. You never know who is gonna win, even after the event is over!
    Anyway, I'm still playing occasional career mode rounds just to try to unlock gear and items trapped behind sponsor goals. Aside from that, there's really no reason to keep coming back to it.
    It's really just single rounds at new created courses for me. Which definitely gets old quick, too.
    jbd345
    Arcade vs. Sim. I’m assuming others like golden tee can make arcade style/mobile games, much like how 2k can now make a football game again if it’s not sim. 2k is probably holding the simulation rights as exclusively

    Has nothing to do with simulation rights.
    2K has the sole rights to Tiger's name and likeness.
    Any other publisher is still free to make a simulation game if they like, just can't use Tiger's name.
    This is good news and all but I'd happily play a customizable generic golf game that played and worked well over licensed golfers/courses with bugs and broken features.
    So absolutely great news but just hope the gloss of all the licenses and likeness doesn't take away from the fact that they still have to deliver a great game. Unfortunately the former is what sells games despite the rest.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Graphics/visuals is one area in this series that does need a lot of attention. I agree that TW 14 and especially Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR look better than 2K21 - and it's not particularly close.

    Maybe I’m naive... but I think 2k21 looked pretty good on my OG PS4 and even better on my PS5. What are your specific issues with the current game vs. Rory?
    scagwi
    Could you elaborate on that?
    What part of his involvement would be "the draw"?
    If he's in the game, but not playable (as the pros are now), does that change things?
    Does any of this change if he never plays professional golf again?
    Or are you saying just his name on "the box", so to speak, is going to move the needle more than the 2 million that already bought 2k21?
    I guess what I'm getting at, in a roundabout way, is....are we sure there's a lot more golf market out there to get?
    The sales numbers they threw around are huge (for golf)...
    I'm sort of wondering aloud how much uncaptured upside really could be out there?

    I’m not sure 2k makes this investment without realizing that there is still potential for upside by putting TW on the cover. If he isn’t playable, maybe they tie in with Nike/TW Apparel in its first iteration?
    Really hoping this puts an emphasis on real-world golfers. Like others have said, I know mo-cap is expensive, but give me at least 6-12 real world golfers with unique swings, 4k resolution and 60fps and I'll happily preorder a copy the first day it's available.
    Hoping having more time with the 2k partnership + the momentum of their 2k21 sales pushes them to push the game to new graphic levels (amongst other things) for the next iteration.
    green94
    Maybe I’m naive... but I think 2k21 looked pretty good on my OG PS4 and even better on my PS5. What are your specific issues with the current game vs. Rory?

    The player models in 2K21 are not great, the colors seem washed out and textures not all that detailed, there's a lot of issues with textures not loading at distances (this is especially annoying when you're designing courses), the crowds are pretty poor, animations in general are still not up to standards of other games. In its defense, I like the lighting in 2K21, and the visuals of 2K21 have improved upon TGC games that came before it.
    Rory just seemed to have more detail, more polish, better textures, etc. Even Tiger Woods 14, I think, had better animations, colors, and player models.
    green94
    I’m not sure 2k makes this investment without realizing that there is still potential for upside by putting TW on the cover.

    I think it's more for discouraging EA to make a golf game, that's the upside. Eliminating competition, there's no cover athlete and brand EA could use to rival Tiger.
    bigkev
    I think it's more for discouraging EA to make a golf game, that's the upside. Eliminating competition, there's no cover athlete and brand EA could use to rival Tiger.

    Let's hope they actually put lots of attention into making an amazing next generation console game here..
    I'm worried they're more focused on "deterring competition" and ways to increase revenue per customer (micro transactions, DLC, etc)
    When 2k gets dollar signs in their eyes, it's hard to know what to make of it.
    It could be good, or great...or bad....or a combination of all - haha
    scagwi
    Let's hope they actually put lots of attention into making an amazing next generation console game here..
    I'm worried they're more focused on "deterring competition" and ways to increase revenue per customer (micro transactions, DLC, etc)
    When 2k gets dollar signs in their eyes, it's hard to know what to make of it.
    It could be good, or great...or bad....or a combination of all - haha

    The ideal situation is one where incentives align (e.g. 2K stands to make lots of money by putting out a fantastic product that people like). How often does that happen, though?
    I really hope this doesn't mean we won't see a competing high-level golf game, but I suspect that was the case even before this announcement. At this point, though, just 1 AAA golf game would do.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Mo cap is expensive but if the golfers don't look and swing like their real life counterparts why bother?
    I think next go around we get a new game engine fixed societies and career mode and some pros not mo capped along with a low real life course count more available for pay for play. Course creator would be a huge bonus. I do not think the game needs real life pro names with mediocre appearances and funky swings.

    I go along with everything you said above, and I wanted to use it as a foray to throw the question out there as to whether we could see the next golf game from 2K use the ECO-Motion engine that 2K uses for NBA 2KXX? It would definitely help the looks and realism of the player models, and certainly the quality of their animation.
    OnlookerDelay
    I go along with everything you said above, and I wanted to use it as a foray to throw the question out there as to whether we could see the next golf game from 2K use the ECO-Motion engine that 2K uses for NBA 2KXX? It would definitely help the looks and realism of the player models, and certainly the quality of their animation.

    That would be awesome. In theory, I don't think it's that much to ask that a golf game in 2021 look indistinguishable from a Sunday-afternoon CBS or Golf Channel broadcast. They have achieved incredible levels of fidelity with the NBA game and that's a MUCH more complex sport to model from a graphics/processing power standpoint - there are 10 individual characters moving on-screen, all 100% unique and bespoke to real-life individuals, and they can all interact with each other in dozens of different ways, as well as interact with the ball.
    Golf, on the other hand, is relatively simple. There is only 1 moving character at any given time (and that character doesn't even run or jump - they just stand in 1 spot), there are zero character-character interactions, and that 1 character "interacts" with the ball for only a split second in a fixed/static way every time. The rest is window dressing - grass textures, trees, sand, water. I'm not saying it's easy in the grand scheme of things, compared to their NBA game which looks photorealistic, it's an order of magnitude easier.
    I'm sure the NBA2K team is like hundreds of people of course (vs probably a small handful for PGA2K), but it's not my job to take into account 2K's human resources when I'm evaluating their output. When Links LS and Microsoft Golf were approaching photorealism 20 years ago (with relatively complex golfer/lie/setup/ball flight options), I have a hard time making excuses for a golf game in 2021 having the player look like the original "Virtua Fighter" in motion.
    EDIT: the other cool thing about NBA2K (for those of you that haven't played it recently): you can actually create your own unique "jump shot" motion for your 'create-a-player' character, stitching together the beginning, high point, and release motions of dozens of different mo-capped shots, as well as the overall speed/tempo of the shot. That seems like a natural (and awesome!) feature that would be killer to have for a golf game - after all, there is nothing so unique in sports as an individual person's golf swing. Of course, I wouldn't model my character after my real life swing....
    I may be in the minority but I will buy day 1 if we can play as Tiger or any other pro in a season mode. I really enjoyed being able to do that in AO Tennis and playing with Nadal in a season. They also need to take advantage of having these guys in career/season mode by actually getting paired with players in a tournament. Imagine getting paired with Tiger on the final round of a Major or someone like that.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have played as a pro in the past Tiger or Rory games.

    Is it because you have no interest, or is it because it is poorly executed in most (all) golf games that featured pros?
    I can certainly understand that golf is a pretty personal sport and the natural inclination would be to gravitate toward making your own player and taking them through the tour. I like that as well.
    That having been said, I would really like to play as a tour pro, but only if it's really well-done. On Rory McIlroy PGA Tour, for example, I wanted to go through a season with Dustin Johnson, but I gave up pretty quickly because: 1) he had a generic totally nondescript swing (same as everyone else in the game), 2) there were no particular aspects of his real game that were noticeable strengths/weaknesses (e.g. he wasn't longer off the tee than anyone else), and 3) the career mode wasn't particularly engaging/deep/compelling.
    In other words, I would like to play as a pro through a season or two, but I haven't done so because it's always been so poorly executed in past golf games. It's basically just a "skin" for your generic player, in which case, you might as well make it yourself or some other character.
    Imagine if you were playing NBA2K and every player in the game had the exact same game/attributes: Steph Curry had no 3-point shooting advantage over Lonzo Ball (and also, their jump shot motions were exactly the same), or Nikola Jokic could dunk like Giannis, and there were only 10-game seasons and no playoffs. I would not find that acceptable as a pro basketball simulation game.
    Bottom line: I want pros to be playable but it's got to actually be well-done for it to be worth it.
    Pros in TW14 definitely were playing as different attributes, no doubt. I could clearly see it while playing some of them in the Legends challenges. Zach Johnson for example was hitting them very short compared with the big hitters. Hitting some of the par 5 in 2 was not possible.
    Playing as the pros will get old really fast.
    This game does a great job with own created golfer.
    The only thing in my mind that would make career mode worth playing is being paired with a pro during your rounds. And even then... that too will get old quick.
    Golf is and always will be to beat yourself.
    This game and hopefully the next game gives us this in spades!
    lions67
    Playing as the pros will get old really fast.
    This game does a great job with own created golfer.
    The only thing in my mind that would make career mode worth playing is being paired with a pro during your rounds. And even then... that too will get old quick.

    Personally, I never get tired of watching Fred Couples swing a golf club on TV, so if I could play a game where I could (semi) control Freddie around the course, I would love to do that. I guess I'm a bit of a golf geek, but I love seeing certain guys swing a club and would like to have that experience in a golf game. It's a big part of golf for me.
    lions67

    Golf is and always will be to beat yourself.

    Playing real golf is like that.
    A golf video game purporting to simulate the PGA Tour? For me, that's all about the pros and their distinctive swings/games, and the tournaments themselves (e.g. the Waste Management, the Pebble Pro-Am, The Genesis at Riviera, the majors, etc).
    If they don't mo cap the swing it won't matter. As far as attributes go you can make a short hitting pro a short hitter in the game but I wonder how you can replicate other parts of the game without severely reducing user input. You can't have Crenshaw drain every putt and you can't have Seve hitting everything inside 3 feet from everywhere around the green. Unless you dumb down user input what is the sense of playing with the pros anyway? They really don't look like them or swing like them or perform like them with the exception of maybe being a club or two longer or shorter.
    They have to figure out how to make it realistic. Look at the last few weekends. Water balls, hazards, tops, etc. I’m not saying I want extremes, but I need to know it’s possible for my CPU playing partner to dump one in the woods. Maybe he recovers, maybe he doesn’t, but it shouldn’t be fairways and green and just a putting contest.
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    callmetaternuts
    They have to figure out how to make it realistic. Look at the last few weekends. Water balls, hazards, tops, etc. I’m not saying I want extremes, but I need to know it’s possible for my CPU playing partner to dump one in the woods. Maybe he recovers, maybe he doesn’t, but it shouldn’t be fairways and green and just a putting contest.

    This is what would make career mode work for me. We did in fact have some of the above in PGA Championship Golf 2000's career mode on the PC (if you were around for that one). The only time the CPU/AI bots seemed to really have a problem is that once every two or three rounds, they'd encounter a situation where they'd be faced with a carry they couldn't negotiate. They wind up dumping a half dozen balls in a hazard trying to make that same carry with the same club. It happened just enough to be nuisance. If they'd have ever gotten that bit of AI worked out, it would have been flawless.
    What was really cool was you could opt to have your career mode playing companions playing in your group in what they called "Ready Play" mode. They would just play their rounds at their on speed, simultaneously as you were playing. You could keep tabs on them as much as you wanted, but you didn't have to wait on them and they didn't have to wait on you. In a casual career mode round I used this often. If it was the final round and I was contending for a tournament win, I'd play along with them in full, turn based play in accordance with the 'order of play' rules of golf. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.
    OnlookerDelay
    This is what would make career mode work for me. We did in fact have some of the above in PGA Championship Golf 2000's career mode on the PC (if you were around for that one). The only time the CPU/AI bots seemed to really have a problem is that once every two or three rounds, they'd encounter a situation where they'd be faced with a carry they couldn't negotiate. They wind up dumping a half dozen balls in a hazard trying to make that same carry with the same club. It happened just enough to be nuisance. If they'd have ever gotten that bit of AI worked out, it would have been flawless.
    What was really cool was you could opt to have your career mode playing companions playing in your group in what they called "Ready Play" mode. They would just play their rounds at their on speed, simultaneously as you were playing. You could keep tabs on them as much as you wanted, but you didn't have to wait on them and they didn't have to wait on you. In a casual career mode round I used this often. If it was the final round and I was contending for a tournament win, I'd play along with them in full, turn based play in accordance with the 'order of play' rules of golf. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.

    That game was the bee's knees. I wish I could say it was "ahead of its time", but that would imply those features will ever be seen again in a game....
    OnlookerDelay
    This is what would make career mode work for me. We did in fact have some of the above in PGA Championship Golf 2000's career mode on the PC (if you were around for that one). The only time the CPU/AI bots seemed to really have a problem is that once every two or three rounds, they'd encounter a situation where they'd be faced with a carry they couldn't negotiate. They wind up dumping a half dozen balls in a hazard trying to make that same carry with the same club. It happened just enough to be nuisance. If they'd have ever gotten that bit of AI worked out, it would have been flawless.
    What was really cool was you could opt to have your career mode playing companions playing in your group in what they called "Ready Play" mode. They would just play their rounds at their on speed, simultaneously as you were playing. You could keep tabs on them as much as you wanted, but you didn't have to wait on them and they didn't have to wait on you. In a casual career mode round I used this often. If it was the final round and I was contending for a tournament win, I'd play along with them in full, turn based play in accordance with the 'order of play' rules of golf. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.

    I wasn’t around for that. Well I was around I just didn’t play it. I just want some immersion. Even if it’s just scoreboards or select shots, but attributes are needed. DeChambeau needs to be different than Morikawa. They can score the same for all I care but should approach it differently. I don’t mind generally the same user golfers but give us some
    Variety. No level ups, just a stricker, a Rory, a Bryson, a DJ, slightly different so we can play our games.
    I want to know that when I’m in the final round I can see some sort of update. I’d prefer live shot or that casual thing you talked about, but even just the announcers saying “JT just parred the 5th” while we’re on 8. Something, please.
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    You guys are asking way too much, irony is most of that were in versions of the TW series. As long as it looks like HB is doing just about all the work, I'll keep my expectations very, very low.
    I’m with BigKev
    HB doing the Dev work keeps my hopes very much tempered.
    No offense to any intended, but I find HB to be a very mediocre developer.
    Very true. They have two things going for them. They are the only one making a golf game and they get massive free user created content via the community who creates golf courses.
    Do you think Tiger is going to have any input into the game? Answer....not one tiny weenie bit.
    I thinking signing Tiger became a necessity because they were informed that PGATour was returning it's licensing contract to EA. Tiger signing was a necessity.
    Best thing that ever happened was 2k/HB got some competition. $100 we will suddenly see many of the game bugs resolved.
    EA will come at them full force so don't be surprised if there is "course developer" function too.
    Parbuster1962

    I thinking signing Tiger became a necessity because they were informed that PGATour was returning it's licensing contract to EA. Tiger signing was a necessity.
    .

    The PGA Tour licensing is not exclusive.

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