Xbox Series X ($499) and Xbox Series S ($299) Release on November 10, Pre-Orders Start on September 22

I plan on getting a ps5 and xbox series x day one so I'm all in. Hopefully I'm able to get both or at least one or the other.

Nice.. hope you get both on day one. i go with PS5 digital edition. that's it. enjoy xbox series x when you get it in your hand on day one

Not me, i want only PS5.. that's it i am longtime fan of Playstation since 1997

Get EA Play with Xbox Game Pass for No Additional Cost
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/09/get-ea-play-with-xbox-game-pass-at-no-additional-cost/

November 10th count me in. Now waiting for Sony

I'm in...will be interesting to see how it goes with no cheap option from Sony
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With EA Play being bundled with Game Pass, you could argue that Xbox is much more value (even considering the lack of stellar first party games, but that should change over this gen). I don't have tons of money to constantly play games (my kids and wife steal most of the money lol) so Game Pass lets me still be a gamer but not have to buy 60 buck games all the time.

I cannot wait.

I'm not married to any particular console. I was an xbox guy for the longest but my current gen console is a PS4.
With the price point of the S series, what am I losing versus the more expensive model? And what am I truly gaining over current gen consoles? I only buy digital copies and I really don't need to run any apps through my gaming console. I have plenty other devices for that stuff.
I honestly only play a couple of games (NBA 2K and Madden).

In terms an idiot like myself can understand. How big a jump, if any, is the Series S over the current Xbox One X?
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From what I have seen - graphical quality should be approximately on par with one X. However it has the same CPU and ssd as series X so it will be capable of playing next gen games needing the enhanced cpu clocks and increased core count, faster load times, multiple pause/resume games, etc.
So essentially series x with a lower resolution or one x with enhanced os features and games not bottlenecked by the cpu; able to play next gen games.

That's pretty much it. The important parts for decision making really are just:
Series X
- 4k gaming
- Disc drive
Series S
- 1440p gaming
- No Disc drive
You don't need the performance tires, the ram air hood and the spoiler on a car you're only driving to the store and back in. The Series S hardware reflects lower target resolutions so you don't need the other high performance parts. It still retains similar power and capabilities otherwise (ray tracing, etc) just without the ability to push as many pixels as the Series X.
This is the value proposition being delivered, remains to be seen how successful they are. Enthusiasts will get a Series X either way.

There it is, the big push for All Access.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/09/xbox-all-access-expands-to-12-countries-this-holiday/
In the US you can use the program at Best Buy, GameStop, Target, Microsoft Store, and Walmart.

Best Buy All Access page: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xbox-one/xbox-all-access/pcmcat1579299055180.c?id=pcmcat1579299055180

I'm all in for XBOX Series X!!! Day One!!! With Assassin's Creed Valhalla, Watch Dogs Legion and Gears Tactics, im set. Also, I will have the next gen version of The Avengers and Outriders should be out around that time as well. So damn hyped!!!

So PS5 will have no cheaper alternative? I'm not getting either console until summer 2021 at earliest (if not summer, it'll be either Christmas 2021 or summer 2022, assuming I'm even interested still by then since I've been off video games for most part for years).
I wonder which one would be best to get since all I really care to play are sports games. Not sure if custom music is still a thing or not for these sports games.

Presumably the digital PS5 will be cheaper, we don't know how much cheaper though. Sony's approach appears to just be to remove the drive. Microsoft's approach is to lower the hardware requirements and target a different market segment with their lower priced SKU.
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Which one would be better to get? If the main difference is just lack of harddrive, obviously that would mean less ability to purchase used games, and I'd imagine older games won't be too cheap even when the next years game is out?

For the PS5? Its the disc drive that's been removed.
I feel we have things to learn about the value proposition of their two still. Bundled accessories or something.
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Box art, and bottom shot.

I'm really hoping I can pre-order through Amazon so I don't have to actually pay till it ships. I want to sell my PS4 and One X and put the money towards it.
Or I may opt for the financing if I can get approved for it.
But if when pre-orders start, and you have to slap down the whole $500, I'll be out of luck and have to hope I get lucky on release day somehow.

I hate seeing people use “rent to own” to describe this financing deal. It’s the complete opposite with 0% financing. I look at it as kore of when I upgrade my phone or tablet through Verizon.
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Yeah, that's exactly how it is on PC, right?

I don't play video games anymore, haven't bought a game in probably 6 years so I don't know what things are like lol.

This is wild to me.

This will probably be the first time I don't go with the Xbox unless MLB The Show comes in the first year which is the only game I play or have time for nowadays.
Excited though, always love new console generations, looking forward to more PS5 news.

I wish. But not really a necessity for me at this time. Ps4 can last 1more year
just love gaming

Thinking The S fir me. Only play a few MS exclusives, so saving $200 makes sense to me. I have Game Pass for next 2+ yrs, so might ride it out with new system. Otherwise, PS5 for other gaming. Now the debate for me is disk or no disk.

When is the last time you bought a disk?

I'll be pre-ordering from Best Buy on the 22nd
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Why anyone would spend $300 for an under powered S when they can buy a PS5 Digital for $100 more is beyond me.

Because I have hundreds of games for the S, for starters?
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Ohhh snap you know that ps5 is 400 dollars? WOW what else can you tell us?
Or maybe if you are right, someone can say why would someone buy a ps5 at 400 when for 100 more you get a stronger console in the X

I look at it as an $840 committment for the Series X.

Not everyone is interesting in the PlayStation exclusives or ecosystem, so there is a reason right there.

What do you think Sony can charge when Microsoft has their X at $500 with the drive? The digital only PS5 will be $400. You'll see.

Plus not all tvs will be 4k, and it'd be a good streaming device for other rooms. The option is good I think
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Plus MS could get PS5 owners to buy the S and Game Pass, leading to them liking the ecosystem
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Was thinking of trading my Xbox One X and getting ready for the X Series. Do they usually have deals closer to launch? $175 for my system now makes me weary of trading it in.

As opposed to a $860 commitment you would make with the console and 2 years of game pass with just paying the upfront costs? Nothing like a rent to own and its a very sweet deal that will get a lot of people at that very low initial cost. If they push it hard, unlike they did this past gen, it could be a game changer in this financial environment today.

$300 streaming device sounds like a winner to me. Not.

Pretty sure that if you buy the Series S itself for $300, there's only the 30 day trial to Game Pass Ultimate. If you do the payment plan, that's where they extend the cost but buying the console outright is only $300 unless of course, the buyer wants Game Pass Ultimate for two years.

Do you intend to have an actual conversation or just drive-by trolling posts?
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Sony can charge whatever they want and it will still sell. They are not in position to take a loss on a console with the specs they have for 400 just because MS put theirs at 500 when they know they will sell more ps5 at 500 or 600 dollars over MS at 500

There is word that Sony did not think for a second that MS will put their X model at 500, they felt 600 was the MS price.
I have a seriously hard time believing that Sony will release their console at 400 which will be a huge loss money wise.
I still feel that Sony will do 500 and 550 for both consoles
Maybe 450 and 500 or 450 and 550
But Sony at the end of the day is providing a console that will be missing key features found on the X
Sony has not confirmed that they have Free Sync for their AMD GPU which is a biggie
Sony will not have Dolby Vision which X has
The Series X not only will it have
Variable Rate Shaders it will have VRR and Free Sync along with Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos.
Those are things very appealing to someone who wants to buy the console for not only gaming but the casual who is the most important buyer that buys a few games but uses the console for 4k blue ray and dolby atmos along now with Dolby Vision.

He's not here to have an adult conversation, just here for console warz nonsense, so it's ignore time,

I have 2 xbox one x. I want to sell them as well. Hopefully I get at least $250 for each.

Yeah, trying to think of what I'm gonna do with mine. I've got a standard One X and a Taco Box.
Then again I have 4 kids, perhaps I do nothing with them lol.
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If you have games or accessories to sell along with them, you should get that if you are thinking about the eBay route. Without any games or extras, you're looking in the low $200s. I'm looking to sell my One X and PS4 Pro. I will probably go eBay since it's probably the easiest and fastest way to sell them.
I just don't know when the best time would be. In a perfect world, before Series X goes up for pre-order. But I'm hesitant to pull the trigger so soon.
I have enough PC games to keep me busy till launch, but I do still play The Show.
I'm also looking to see if Amazon is doing pre-orders so I don't have to pay till it's shipped. Or seeing if I can get approved for the financing.

A cheaper add on for TVs in other rooms that can also play the top games on? Seems like value for me. We have to remember that a majority of gamers aren't enthusiasts like we are.

I have 2 original Xbox Ones and plan on keeping them...One has the disc not reading, the other still works with Kinect in our living room. Our nicer tv is in the bedroom since my son broke one with a hockey puck, so the Series X will go there and can maybe move the others around for kids as time goes on. I don't think I'd really get enough value to sell them at this point, and my kids will like a lot of Xbox One level games out there....

Microsoft jammed Sony up. They have to meet the price for the X at $500. My understanding is the optical drive does not cost them $100 so a price for the digital only PS5 of $450 would make sense. Again I would rather have more of a future proof option with the PS5 than buy the S.

This is solved with value-added options. Like 6 months of PS+, 3 months of PS Now, etc. 'It's $100 more but it comes with $200 in services and accessories I'd buy anyways' type of rationale is then created for the consumer.
If they're going to be $50 apart, I think that's a difficult sell, but then again it's not the S / X model as they're both otherwise identical.

Hmm how is the S / X identical? Doesn't the /S do up to 1440p and the /X does 4K at 60FPS? I would love to save money and I now only do XBOX GPU so I don't need an optical drive. And the /S doesn't look anything like the /X.

Mestevo said that the S and X are NOT identical but the PS5 Digital and Disc editions are.

To me it makes no sense for sony to sell both of their skus at 50 apart only
100 and it has nothing to do with what it cost for disc drive...

OK. So $400 for the future proof for now PS5 digital only or the S for $300. I don't see the point of the S I really don't. Some people love the idea but I don't get it. Its only $100 more for $200 for sure not for 3.

Decided on upgrading from XB1X to the Series X. Will stay with the PS Pro for at least another year before making the jump to a PS5.
Have a Game Pass sub paid for through I believe June. Cyberpunk & Watch Dogs preordered and paid for digitally already thanks to MS Reward Points. The Witcher 3 GOTY Edition downloaded (never played) receiving a free next gen upgrade. No absolute must play console exclusives for either brand anytime soon.
At this time making the jump with Xbox makes more sense for me.
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The Xbox Series S is freaking brilliant idea. As of the end of 2019, 85% of people (not gamers, but people) did not own a 4K TV or plan to buy one. It's probably not much different right now especially considering what 2020 has been.
For $300, you're getting a console for the next 6+ years easily. Will still have the custom NVME SSD (and 512GB is NOT a big deal at all), Ray Tracing, 99% identical CPU to Series X and all the RDNA 2 features.
Then, you figure the $25 a month deal which a lot of people are going to do. Series S WILL be the best selling console SKU this holiday season if not throughout the entire generation. You're highly underestimating Xbox Series S.
That $100 is a huge difference in general and even more so when you add in the $25 a month payment plan that Sony does NOT have and you get 300 freaking games day one. It's insane value and extremely aggressive and brilliant at the same time.

You seem to forget that the majority of people who buy consoles are casuals who do not care about FPS or features. They want the most affordable product that they can play a few games and watch netflix and different apps.
The series S for 300 is beyond amazing value
There will be times where series S will have better performance then PS5 except for the visual fidelity in resolution

The S is amazing . Most still don’t have 4K and it’s a great idea for parents . Hell its tempted me as a second console lol .
Question : most likely getting the ps5 but the series x is technically more powerful . Would I even notice this in cross platform games ?

It may be the best selling SKU for MS next gen, but not for next gen all around.

We'll see about that.

Better performance please you gotta be kidding. You want to play all those games with Game Pass or whatever they call it then great. You can play them on what you currently own can't you? Streaming? Not for $300. For $400 give me a full next gen experience. You can get a guaranteed under performing machine for $100 less well that doesn't excite me.

From Game Pass to the capabilities of the Series S.... I don't know if you don't understand or just don't want to understand because nearly everything in your post is wrong in some form. Mind clarifying?

So you stuck on this for 100 dollars more give me the better next gen experience? You are 100% right for an extra $100 you can get the Series X which is better then ps5

So the wife gave me the go ahead on the Series X. Not like I wouldn't have figured out a way to get it anyway, but it's nice to know she approves.
Gonna try the financing. If that doesn't work, I'll just slap down the $500.
So excited for this. I'm probably way too excited for Madden because it will probably be a letdown. I enjoy it now, but I think I'm expecting too much in the first iteration of next-gen.
I'm also taking a gamble that The Show will be on on the Series X or at least PC. Because it's either this or the PS5. And I'm going with Xbox simply because I'm deeply entrenched in their ecosystem at this point. My PS4 is literally only used for The Show.

That's the answer right there you are a fan of MS no problem with that at all.

I've actually come around slightly on the idea of getting an X.
We use the PS3 as a streaming device upstairs in one of our living spaces. I'd like to move the PS3 downstairs to my gaming area but still want a streaming device/blu ray player. Having a console to do that has been nice because it leads to casual gaming among friends and family.
So I am debating getting am X to move my base xbox one to the space where the PS3 currently sits.
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You sure will.

So what is the selling point day 1 for a ps5?
All the talk that MS has shown nothing to make you buy one day 1
But Sony just dropped acid on those thoughts by saying Demon Souls is also releasing on PC and Miles Morales is coming to PS4 as well
Ratchet and Clank? :nono:

OK. $400 it is MS man.

The answer is that you don't need all the extra power that is used to provide 4k vs. 1080p. I'll be interested to see Digital Foundry's review/comparison of Series S vs. Series X vs. PS5. Some people can't just drop 500 or even 400 on a console, but a 300 console with a payment plan is doable. The performance differences may not even be noticed given the lower resolution and no need for HDR and all that, so you'll get awesome frame rates and performance. I personally want an X, but I see the value in the S.
It's funny how you laugh at a $100 difference, but it's that difference last gen that killed the Xbox One. If they were evenly priced Sony wouldn't have had as much as an advantage.

Sony taking a bit of heat for being the tip of the spear as far as $70 first party games. Would be a body blow if Microsoft said standard first party titles were staying at $60.

Man, I was so tempted to buy the PS5. I had it my cart at Target and Best Buy, but decided against it at the last second.
I can only get one and want the Xbox more. I just hope I'll be able to get the pre-order in time. I'm salivating for the 22nd.
I wonder if Microsoft would throw a curveball and put up the pre-orders tomorrow or something closer to the 22nd to temp people away from the PS5.
I feel like a bunch of people probably pre-ordered it just because they could and now they won't get the Series X. So this was a smart move by Sony.

How does preorders work on Microsoft and Amazon? You have to log in at midnight EST and preorder (before they sell out)?

Add Horizon 2 and Sackboy to that cross-gen list.

It is amazing the damage control that is going on now after the sony event
Jim Ryan said before that Sony believes in generations and that PS5 launch games would be exclusive to PS5 and now we find out PS5 has zero exclusives to PS5 only.
Not only that but exclusive games are $70 dollars and their pre orders were a mess. I got lucky to get the disc version at target and was charged already and got the email confirmation.
I wanted the digital but it was gone. I will try and get a digital tomorrow and flip the disc version.
But now websites like Tech Radar who bashed MS for being cross gen and hurting series x is now saying Sony move is great for their customers. WTF

I'm only trying to get a ps5 right now so I can sell it on ebay. I'll eventually get one later on, but this ps5 preorder process was a mess and unorganized.

The shade is 100% on this tweet from Xbox twitter...HAHAHA
https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1306428033771794433

It's like the WWE(F) vs WCW ratings war in the 90s.

LOL yea man. I hope the series x isn't like this

What happens if I want to do the payment plan but have another year of ultimate access already paid for on my account? Will that year be added to year three after the payment plan is completed? Or will I lose that year I paid for?

As they should. Sony ****ed up by announcing a pre-order date and then doing nothing to enforce it. For their sake I hope they allot more units to retailers for pre-orders before the 22nd.

After Sony's stunt about sharing games I love this lol. Sony is making mistakes MS did last gen. If MS actually has units they could kill it and take advantage. Seems like Sony limiting the digital version too
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Will Sony be updating us on how to share games with a 100% digital version? I'm still salty how MS's vision is actually better than what we have, but everyone whined and now we don't have digital trade ins
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Wait what? No game sharing on ps5?
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We’ll have to wait and see but so far it seems like Microsoft is better prepared for their launch than Sony. Everything is feeling rushed with the ps5. I want to see how the Xbox preorders go and hopefully they have a lot of stock too.
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I'm joking about their just share a disc presentation when MS wanted everything digital. I'm sure whatever rules exist now will stay, but I can't just give you my digital copy of Madden.
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I hear you. I’ll say this, I don’t remember the last tile I bought a disk game. It’s been years
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I’m hoping The Xbox preorders will be a lot smoother than what happened last night.
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I got 2 PS5 disc versions pre ordered yesterday from Target and Amazon
Next week I will do X at best buy first choice or amazon

Oh, i agree. I wish we could sell back digital like MS wanted. I'm just getting the X because I want one powerful system with the option to get discs if I get something cheap. I play Game Pass or digital all the time now because one of my One drives has issues anyways lol.

I'm hoping that Amazon will work well and it'll just be easier for at least 10 minutes vs. instant insanity.

Pre-orders start on Tuesday 11am ET and 8am PT according to Geoff Keighley.
I'm actually nervous about it. I wanna get one at launch so bad.

I think the series X should be a bit easier but i would still put in the work to pre order one if you still want it. I'll probably pre order both just incase.

I’m actually more excited to get the Xbox series x and I think it should be a lot smoother. I think I might do Amazon since the experience is smoother than Best Buy so far
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I also think Xbox will have a lot more consoles available for preorders. The one that might sell out faster is the series S due to the price.
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I'm thinking the same thing as you guys. I think the X will be easier to get. I bet the S is the one that will be selling out in a very short amount of time.
I'm gonna have three different computers and two phones ready at 11am on different sites to secure the X.

This is my thought/hope as well...i'll be ready at 8 my time though, I'd have all your info in Amazon or wherever and your card added, etc...I hope that the early people will have a better time of it here, but we'll see. It's obviously not as popular since they lost last gen but maybe that'll help us relax here.

So happy the pre-orders are at 11am EST. This gives me the opportunity to pre-order from Best Buy and/or Amazon while at the same time, get to GameStop in store at 12pm when they open and pre-order one there as well.
My entire next generation plan all revolves around the Xbox Series X so if I can't get one, im going to be very disappointed. Oh, who am I kidding? I'm going to be freaking pissed off!!!

I'm with you man. I'm about as nervous as the Browns being down 1 with 1 second to go trying to kick a 15 yard FG to win.

So you're saying none of us are getting a new Xbox? My wife's a Browns fan so I know

Exactly what I'm saying lol

I repeat do not underestimate the X being widely available to pre order
PS5 and X will sell out quickly because enthusiasts buy consoles first
The X will sell out quickly on Tuesday so make sure you secure your pre order on the time it goes live
Do not think you can just do it later in the day or the next day
Same for the S series

Oh, I 100% agree...i'm just hoping it'll be a bit easier to get one for half an hour or so

Luckily, im a 49ers fan. (exclude week 1 of course, lol)

Agreed. I hope Best Buy and Amazon put up their pages for Series X so I can just bookmark the page instead of searching for it.

Someone in the PS5 thread made a good point, now that we know an exact date and time, scalpers and bots will be ready. Not sure if there is any way to manage this.

Am sure if you are ready when it goes live you will get it somewhere. Just follow these steps
Have your pc or laptop on Amazon
Have your best buy mobile app ready on your phone
If you have a tablet have it ready at target
Do that and I guarantee you that you will get one of those at the time pre orders go live

Have all your payment and shipping info current and valid too

yes this as well is super important, be logged in to your account on those sites and have payment saved in your profile to make a clean purchase

Gotta give MS credit for the way the handled pre orders as the message is clear and on point
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/1306721415903600640

You'll be sad if you miss out, but not feel screwed over

As long as some piece of **** scalper using a bot doesn’t screw you over.
Just had this happen with the PS5 at Walmart. All I had to do was click 2 buttons and even that didn’t work.

After today’s debacle with the 3080 graphics cards and then seeing Walmart announce a specific time for the ps5 preorders amd them disappear in seconds I can see Xbox’s release being just as bad with the scalpers and bots. I personally think the safest bet is since the preorders start during the day might be better to go in person to Best Buy or another store and do the pre order in person. That will guarantee you get it. With Microsoft giving a specific time for pre orders I can see the bots ruining that as well.
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Unfortunately the closest Best Buy to me is an hour away. The only major retailer in my town is Walmart. We do have a Gamestop, but I don't know if they are doing in-person pre-orders.
I just have to hope I get lucky. I'm somewhat less nervous now since I was actually able to get a PS5 in my cart and got to the point of just having to click the pay button to get it, but decided to wait for the Series X like I planned. So hopefully someone who actually wanted the system got the one I didn't get.

Maybe it's wishful thinking but given Xbox has been less popular I'm thinking if you're ready at that time then we should get one
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I hop so, but I’m not holding my breath. I had a PS5 in my cart at Walmart the second they went live last night and had all my info pre-loaded so all I had to do was click two buttons...and I still didn’t get one.
Apparently the XBOX isn’t as popular in the bot community as someone mentioned in the PS5 thread, so hopefully it stays that way. :)

Geoff Keighly said on Twitter that MS has informed him that MS will punish retailers by reducing stock if they break the embargo on pre orders

Good move in my opinion. Now if only they can slow down these bot pieces of crap and all will be well.

So I wasn’t into next gen yet cuz I was gaming on pc. But after the situation with 2k and steam and them not releasing the patch yet and console already has 2. I was like let me look into this next gen. Then I saw the whole with Sony and that really piss me off I’m not going to get PS5 till later. I’m going to game on Xbox if I can preorder series x cool if not I stick to gaming on the Xbox one x and leave PS4 for exclusive

I was kinda in the same boat as you. I was only going to stick with pc, but I always end up getting the consoles. Things should be a lot smoother on Tuesday.
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Some spots are opening earlier so make sure you check before Tuesday. Gamestops are opening at 11 and not 12 now.

Damn it!!! GameStop screwing up my plans.

If it wasn’t for COVID i would of went outside but I’m too nervous so I’m relying on the net for the pre orders

If you don’t mind me asking what state are you in? Also, just wear a mask and keep a safe distance from people and you’ll be fine.
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Super Impressive what a 299 box is offering
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-this-is-how-xbox-series-s-back-compat-really-works
Kicking off with games running on the vintage 2001 Xbox - the 'OG' machine - we've confirmed that Xbox Series S will run these games at an enhanced resolution. There's a 3x boost to resolution on both axes, meaning that titles targeting 480p on the original machine will hit a maximum of 1440p on Series S, presumably with a range of performance benefits. The good news continues with the enhanced Xbox 360 titles that were released for Xbox One X. These games will also be enhanced for Series S, this time running with a 2x2 resolution multiplier, bringing titles that ran at native 720p up to 1440p. While this doesn't match the max 4K we saw on Xbox One X, there is the potential for improved performance elsewhere thanks to the much faster Zen 2 CPU architecture. In scenarios where Xbox One X was limited by its Jaguar CPU cores, Series S has much more headroom.
It's already been confirmed that the ways in which Series S and Series X handle Xbox One titles varies. Only the Series X will benefit from Xbox One X enhancements to existing games - which typically boils down to resolution boosts, higher quality textures and other graphics-driven effects. Xbox Series S brings its additional horsepower to bear in improving the experience of Xbox One S titles instead. This is more limiting in some respects (a game hard-coded to run at 900p will not run any higher on Series S, for example) but the new console benefits from increased resolutions in games that use dynamic resolution scaling, as well as improvements to texture filtering quality. Obviously, running games from solid state storage reduces loading times significantly, while the Auto HDR feature we've seen running on Series X also features on Series S - all games should present nicely on HDR screens, whether they natively support high dynamic range or not. It's a feature I personally can't wait to test. Finally, it goes without saying that CPU-limited titles should also deliver more stable performance at target frame-rates.
However, there is one more feature that Microsoft has only mentioned in passing - and now we know more details, we're excited by it: the idea that select Xbox One titles will run at double the frame-rate on the new consoles, including Series S.
"We designed the Series S to enhance the Xbox One S games in a way that the Xbox One X can't do," system architect Andrew Goossen tells us. "We made it easy for existing Xbox One S games to be updated to run with double the frame-rate when played on Series S as well. When games are updated, existing games can query to determine whether they're running on the new console. And in terms of the performance, the Series S provides well over double the effective CPU and GPU performance over the Xbox One, making it pretty straightforward for the games to do this. And in fact, the Series S GPU runs the Xbox One S games with better performance than the Xbox One X."
The way Xbox One X handled non-enhanced Xbox One S titles was interesting - effectively users saw the enhanced GPU only running at half-rate, its compute units split between vertex and pixel processing. The new consoles are designed to run legacy Xbox One titles with the full power of both CPU and the new RDNA 2 GPUs.
"There's no real perf tuning necessary when you do this, and so often it's just as easy as changing three lines of code, and then the game works." Goossen adds. "Even when it's not that easy, the fixes are still pretty minor. We had one triple-A title where doubling the frame-rate really worked perfectly, except that the crowd animation was twice as fast as normal. And so, those sorts of fixes are typically very, very easy for developers to go fix. We're working with game developers and publishers to update . It'll basically be select games that run at a doubled frame-rate on the Series S."
Some games will be able to see this functionality enabled by the developer themselves, while others may be collaborations between the game maker and Microsoft's compatibility team.
"In some cases, for more service-based games or games that are still have active communities, it'll actually be easier for the developer to do it," says Xbox director of program management, Jason Ronald. "And then in other cases, we may be able to do things at our level, on behalf of the title, similar to how we've done it in the past. These are all things that we're actively working through as we get closer to launch and we'll have more to share about specific enhancements in specific titles closer to launch."
So, as we understand it, existing Xbox titles can be enhanced for both Series S and Series X in different ways - the compatibility team can step in with its own specific type of magic, opening the door to running 30fps games at 60fps and 60fps titles at 120fps. Alternatively, developers now have the tools to see where their existing Xbox One games are running - and if it's a Series S or Series X machine, aspects like doubling the frame-rate become possible (and perhaps other features could be enabled too) - all without having to 'port' their games to the next-gen platform. The extent to which take-up will be there is of crucial importance, of course, but the potential is certainly very exciting and we're really looking forward to testing this out on both of the new Xbox machines.

After seeing Dirt gameplay run on the S, I'm skipping and just going for the X to go along with my PS5.
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Dirt 5 on Series S wasn't overly impressive but watching an hour of Assassin's Creed Valhalla was. Running off the Series S and me watching it in 1080P/60FPS on my laptop via YouTube which is compressed still looked great to me. I can only imagine how the game itself will look natively on both Series S and especially Series X.

you do realize that Dirt 5 on series s at 120fps is going to have visual cutbacks. But am sure there will be a lower FPS mode like 60fps that will give it the same bells and whistles as series X but at 1440p for $299.99

NYC man its cool I’m diabetic. I’m not taking that chance hence why I haven’t been back to work. Cant get sick.

I’m in Rockland County NY, but work in NYC. I also think NY is one of the more safer spots right now, but I understand your concern. My dad is 72 and diabetic and refuses to stay home. I used to argue with him all the time a couple of months back about staying home but he didn’t listen to me. I hope everything is smooth on Tuesday and everything works out.
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Be prepared tommorrow bots are out

Damn, good looking out. I'll go in person. Not chancing it..

Awesome. Garbage people gotta act like trash I suppose.

Nervous as heck thinking about tomorrow. Will be at GameStop at 9a with tablet in hand logged in to Amazon as a backup.
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Think that's my gameplan also

Stupid question incoming....
I still do not have a 4k TV. I'm contemplating attempting to pre-order a XSX tomorrow. Obviously it's still going to work and I'm still going to see increased performance over the X1X I have now, just wont be playing at 4k, right? The new TV will come in due time; just have a few other priorities first.

You'll be fine...won't see the 4k stuff but you'll be set when you get a new tv
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Yeah, you will have increased performance as far as speed and all of the featured of the system. You just won't get 4K or HDR on a 1080p TV.
But the good news I'm pretty sure you will benefit from Super Sampling. Which will make it look better than just outputting 1080p. I think it will give you better anti-aliasing as well.
Also you should theoretically get higher frame rates.

I assume the XSX also allows streaming play too? Like with my 1X I stream it to my laptop alot to play if someone else is watching tv in the room.

I'm getting more nervous by the hour. I really hope this goes smoothly somehow. They have to know that by giving the exact time it just invites bots. They have to have an ace up their sleeve.

Games will still look better just not 4K or HDR, but you’ll get Ray tracing and other nice textures.
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I laughed when I read your post because it’s the craziness we’ve come to in order to secure a console lol. Like you I’ll be at Best Buy when they open at 10 and have my phone in hand ready to order online just in case.
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Good luck to all of on your choice of console tomorrow. I’m a hardcore PS fanboy, but the Series S has me intrigued. I won’t preorder or pick up at launch, but will look into it the first of the year. I think MS is brilliant with a 299 console. It’s got me looking after turning my nose up at them since back to back RROD’s on brand new 360’s when my kids were little (they’re 20 and 22 now).

https://www.cnet.com/news/heres-how-to-get-the-500-xbox-series-x-for-as-little-as-300/
GameStop offering $200 credit for the Xbox one x or PS4 pro and you have until November 30th to do so. Not bad. I don’t like GameStop and almost always avoid them but I have 2 Xbox one x and a pro so now I’m thinking lol..
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Now I know what I’ll be doing with my Pro. Series X will only cost me $300 plus tax and I can wait up to the release day to turn my Pro in.
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Yea man, I was going to put my consoles on offer up, but I think I’m going with this as well.
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I was thinking about FB Marketplace but with the ease of just trading it in for $200 I’ll take it.
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Man, good luck out there tomorrow, everyone. Apparently bots have already wreaked havoc on Australian/New Zealand pre-orders. People are understandably pissed.

I was just going PS5 for me and PS5 for my son. With the deal and if I can sell my Switch and games, I’ll probably have an Xbox One Series X as well. Standing in line at GameStop tomorrow like I did for the PS5.

How early did you get there?
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45 minutes. I was 7th in line and they had 20 consoles. 16 physical and 4 digital.

Going to pass on the Xbox this time around. I have a pretty decent gaming PC so for me i dont think it is worth it considering I can play Xbox games on my PC. I am looking to secure another PS5 for my son who is a huge Demon Souls fan. Good luck to everyone looking to secure one.

I heard they opened an hour earlier in many spots. Mine says 12noon.
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SMH...
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IM SO SCARED i really hope things go smooth. I got tabs on my tablet i got the Microsoft on my phone and I’m going to turn the xbox on to see if i can order it thru there also. Waking up at 1045 am est lol

I dont understand why people thought it was gonna be any different

I don’t think anyone at least on OS thought it would any different.
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Seeing that I’m the first one here, guess I’m guaranteed to get one. Hoping they surprise me with some PS5 preorders as well.
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Good luck to everyone trying to get a preorder. :cheers:

9:30 and it’s 7 in line here. No idea how many they have. Some GameStop’s have the amount listed on the doors but unfortunately that’s not the case here.
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Is there a limit 1 on these ordering online?

Good luck and happy hunting everyone. I want to get the Series X as well but I'm gonna hold out until early next year when hopefully stock is more plentiful.
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1 hour to go.

Good luck to everybody, I'm going to try to pre-order online but doubt I'll get one. I'm at work so we'll see how it goes.
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Local gamestop only has 7 online it is

Wow Best Buy by me is only doing preorders online and GameStop only has 6 and there were 8 people waiting.. smh
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GameStop only had 5 Series X and 2 S. Feel bad for the other 15 or so who were in line after the cutoff who wont be getting one. What is so disappointing is the employees got here around 9:30 and let these folks sit out here for an hour before they came out to inform them. BS if you ask me.
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Amazon got a link yet? I see nothing so far on Amazon

Yea that’s messed up. I’m here hoping I get one online.
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nothing from amazon yet..

Best buy.com isn't even working.. smh

Think its only up on Walmart and Target

I'm actually in a waiting que for Gamestop. Lol....

out of stock on both...

Said the same for me on Walmart. Kept trying it eventually went through.

whats up with amazon

And they complained about Sony smh

Exactly smh..

Got one at Target...cart kept telling me insufficient quantity but kept resubmitting the cart until it finally went through.

It actually blows my mind that so many people have 500 bucks to blow on a game console. To hell with buying gas with that money, bills, groceries etc. Let's buy a game console. SMH.

Bestbuy and Amazon making everyone wait.

That's major projecting, assuming people can't afford it lol. 500 really isn't that much money especially if people saved for it.
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Right I keep refreshing Amazon

Hate this screen lol

I got an Xbox Series X on MS site. Took some battling, but it went, whew.
I wanted Amazon, which I may still do if it goes live. I hate getting stuff from anywhere else. LOL

Some may have done well throughout there lifetime and can afford to make these kinds of purchases? Just saying.
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any bundles yet????

I didn't realize you had direct knowledge of everyone's financial situation.

Finally got threw on Microsoft

Got one through gamestop.com but will see if i can get one from best buy or amazon and cancel this one..

Don't make a fool of yourself and put words in my mouth Cook sorry Chef. I didn't say that.

Shows still in stock on Target if anyone still looking.

Just reading it comes off a certain way. It’s cool bro.
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amazon's page is the one with all the xbox info really long page, right? both them and best buy just waiting ugh

You most certainly did making a judgement on people buying a console while apparently, in your mind, not putting that money towards gas, groceries etc. If all you have to add to this thread is comments like that then I suggest you avoid posting in here as it adds nothing to it.

Never said I know anyone's financial situation. If your pissed about not getting a console, take it out on someone else. Get back to school.

Sounds like someone is jealous they can't afford a new system...

You guessed it.