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The NCAA is Investigating Whether or Not It’s Time to Bring NCAA Football Back

ESPN is reporting today that the NCAA is going to investigate whether the current rules can be modified to allow athletes to be compensated for their names, images, and likenesses.

Or in other words, is it time to pay players for things like being in NCAA Football from EA Sports.

The final report of the current inquiry is due in October. Assuming that comes back as a yes for athlete payments (and it feels somewhat inevitable that we’re heading for a yes given mounting public pressure) that would mean we can probably start about a 18-30 month countdown on getting an NCAA Football and basketball game out the door to consumers.

Could we see NCAA Football 22 happen released in July 2021? The odds of that happening went from 0 to something greater than 0 with today’s announcement.

So with that, we have real hope for the first time in years. Let us hold onto it.

It does look as if one person is already ready to resume his role in the booth:

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  1. It's time. I say that selfishly as a gamer, and as a fan of college sports. I get the schools not paying players directly and with title 9 and all that. But if a company like EA or 2K wants to license the players for a game, let them make that money. If Coke wants to pay Tua to hock product, let him make that money. If I want to pay Jake Fromm 100$ for an autograph, let dude make that money without fear of being suspended. I feel like if you let the market play out then you get rid of a lot of these shady dealings.
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    Seeing collegiate teams in NBA 2k and Madden now is making me feel like we may be coming closer to a game in the next few years. I would go bonkers for an NCAA football game on PC. I haven't kept up with all of the cases and whatnot, but is there still something other than fear from the universities that keeps a game from coming out that actually randomizes the rosters so that the likeness issue isn't the problem? Are there other issues at play besides the likeness issues? From what I understand, allowing the users to customize and share rosters is only an issue if EA markets the ability for users to create rosters that reflect real life. If they just market the ability to share rosters, sliders, playbooks, etc. then there is no liability. It only stems from them ever specifically marketing the aspect of using actual player likenesses in custom rosters and sharing them.
    somewhere in* a secret bunker, both 2k (CH2k) and EA(NCAA Football) have already been secretly working on a college sports title, just waiting for the day to be given the green light.* Upon given the go ahead both games release within a year.
    Drop "shamateurism" and let the players commercialize themselves with free-market opportunities. This has always made the most sense, I'm just amazed the NCAA is actually attempting to follow through on it. Profit sharing might be a future step, but it may be both impractical and infeasible to implement. I say this because unless you do an even split across the board, you run into arithmetic issues, or the share may be so small that it isn't worth it.
    There could be alternatives to explore, of course. Scholarships, cost reductions, etc.
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    Gagnon39
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    The CFB backed out after the lawsuit. Prior to that prior likeness issue, EA was easily able to negotiate a deal to have every team in the game.
    Once they backed out, it meant that any video game would have to individually negotiate with every single team to be in the game.
    So not only would you have had a game with generic players, you would have also had a game with generic teams.
    I would LOVE for NCAA to return. I believe it is time for a return. Since the ruling could be decided as late as this October, I'm sure EA will quickly gauge NCAA interest of bringing back a college football game. So potentially 2021 we could see a NCAA game. I believe it could be easy transition for EA to jump straight back into the college football game. Since NCAA would presumably use Madden's Engine and all that, they wouldn't have to build a new game from scratch. They could build off of NCAA 14 as far as features and atmosphere. Since NCAA wouldn't have the same pressure as Madden, devs would have more creative freedom. NCAA could immediately be a good game based on the easy transtion. If a return is possible, I wonder if they wait to develop for the next console generation. With the possibility of new consoles late next year, the first new NCAA game could be on the new generation. It still would be an easy transition due to Madden already developing for the new generation.
    kehlis
    The CFB backed out after the lawsuit. Prior to that prior likeness issue, EA was easily able to negotiate a deal to have every team in the game.
    Once they backed out, it meant that any video game would have to individually negotiate with every single team to be in the game.
    So not only would you have had a game with generic players, you would have also had a game with generic teams.

    Exactly.
    I wonder if it does happen, would the CFB be willing to get back on board. That could be a deciding factor. Because even if they change the rule, if CFB doesn't get back on board, I don't see a return of NCAA football. I don't see EA getting every team to give up their likeness
    illwill10
    Exactly.
    I wonder if it does happen, would the CFB be willing to get back on board. That could be a deciding factor. Because even if they change the rule, if CFB doesn't get back on board, I don't see a return of NCAA football. I don't see EA getting every team to give up their likeness

    I actually don't think that will be an issue. Their only fear was litigation. They will take money any way they can get it (as does any business).
    The only fear would be potential for litigation which this could potentially negate based on language.
    I was really only commenting on why there hasn't been generic games to this point as there was literally no means to do so with legitimate teams.
    I'm curious to see how NCAA would fit into an EA that is now driven by competitive play, MUT and other commercial interests. NCAA is a bit more niche and I don't think fits that model very well. Its user base is likely much more interested in authenticity and EA probably wouldn't want NCAA eating into Madden's market anyway.
    Gagnon39
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    I've always thought this as well. Like your example of Tebow, instead of making him Caucasian in the game, could the developers made him African American instead with/without attributes like being left handed and not be sued? Or just totally randomize the in game players all together?
    For me, the uniqueness and all the types of offenses (pistol, option, wishbone, air raid...) and the developers being able to replicate all the school's stadiums, even the small ones, was what attracted me to NCAA. Yeah, having the actual names of the players instead of just the numbers was nice to have but it wasn't necessary for me to enjoy the game.
    I hope it happens, and soon.
    Since about NCAA 12, I could safely say I enjoyed playing football games, as there was a challange. Madden doesnt challange me anymore. Building superteams is way too easy, and has been since as far back as Madden 06. There are zero factors in player decision making, other then money. At least in college they take into effect the coaches, proximity to home, and wither or not they get national exposure. it is much more of a challange to take Kent state for example, and build them into a powerhouse. Heck, even the option that it will never happen is still very real. I could easily take the worst team in the NFL and make them a powerhouse in 1-2 years.
    Unfortunately, I think it's possible we've all been had. Here's the specific language from the actual NCAA release:
    This group will bring together diverse opinions from the membership — from presidents and commissioners to student-athletes — that will examine the NCAA’s position on name, image and likeness benefits and potentially propose rule modifications tethered to education.

    This sounds less clear to me than the ESPN article makes it sound. The NCAA wants to "tether" these changes to education. What exactly does that mean? Have people misinterpreted the NCAA's intent on this subject?
    Maybe there's other information I'm missing on the topic. I feel like, though, this doesn't necessarily mean they are giving free-market opportunities to athletes. Obviously, we know for certain they aren't open to directly paying athletes:
    According to the board, the group will not consider any concepts that could be construed as payment for participation in college sports.
    "While the formation of this group is an important step to confirming what we believe as an association, the group’s work will not result in paying students as employees."

    They are definitive there, but I don't think there was any expectation otherwise. Further:
    As part of its efforts, the working group will study modifications of current rules, policies and practices. In particular, it will focus on solutions that tie any changes to education; maintain the clear demarcation between professional and college sports; and further align student-athletes with the general student body.

    Again talking about tying modifications to education. They also want to maintain a "clear demarcation" between amateurs and the pros. That doesn't sound encouraging. The final line means almost nothing to me. Sounds like some sort of corporate jargon.
    Anyway, I hope this is as positive as the media outlets have made it seem, but to me, the actual press release from the NCAA makes this considerably less transparent.
    Who will compensate the players? The NCAA? The reason it works for professional sports is because the game company signs a deal with the player's union.
    I'd love to see it but count me as a skeptic. For one thing the original O'Bannon decision was ridiculous. The players likeness was not used - they were generic likenesses with dozens of players having the same face. Height, weight, and the uniform number are a player's likeness?
    If the colleges compensate the players and no outside entity has to pay then it might work. If EA sports has to compensate 85 scholarship players and possibly walk on players for every school which has football I doubt that is financially viable.
    I'd love to see it for next gen machines but I remain a skeptic. Until then NCAA 14 is the best game ever made on the ps3 and I'm fine with continuing my teambuilder dynasty until and unless the legal logjam is opened up.
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.  Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.
    Is there a possibility that someone like 2k could make a game? I’d love to have that as an option. Anyone majors developer that could make a solid game I’d be interested.
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    Man, this would be fantastic. I'm not even a fan of college football but I loved this series. Hell, this game turned me into a quasi-college football fan 20+ years ago. Once it went away, I almost completely stopped following the sport.
    To me, this is the best sports video game series ever. It was so much fun and the replay value and enjoyment of dynasty mode was unmatched.
    This would also allow me to go back to my old habits of buying Madden once every few years. One hell of a bonus!
    BA2929
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.* Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.

    That would be the most cost effective move. That is what they should have done in first place. Just made rosters completely randomized. They could have just used school strength to rate players.
    I don't see them trying to go after each individual player. That would be very cost ineffective and have to devote a lot of resources.
    jmarcguy
    Is there a possibility that someone like 2k could make a game? I’d love to have that as an option. Anyone majors developer that could make a solid game I’d be interested.
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    If I'm correct, any developer could make any college sports game if the rule allows it but I don't see many developers wanting to jump in the college sports market. Only college sports that are marketable for a video game are football and basketball. But I don't think college sports video games are profitable(outside of NCAA Football). So I don't see developers jumping into the college sports unless they really want too. 2k dropped out of college football after 2k3 and college basketball after 2k8. 2k could have continued with college football after 2k5 if they really wanted too. But I could see them jumping back to college basketball
    ehh
    Man, this would be fantastic. I'm not even a fan of college football but I loved this series. Hell, this game turned me into a quasi-college football fan 20+ years ago. Once it went away, I almost completely stopped following the sport.
    To me, this is the best sports video game series ever. It was so much fun and the replay value and enjoyment of dynasty mode was unmatched.
    This would also allow me to go back to my old habits of buying Madden once every few years. One hell of a bonus!

    I agree. This series got me into college football in my teen years. But since the series ended, I haven't been in the mood to watch college football regularly like I used too.
    I always preferred NCAA to Madden. Madden was the moneymaker but NCAA was the better product to me. NCAA devs had the freedom to follow their own path. A lot of people are still want Madden to add the Coach Carousel feature that NCAA implemented 6 years. Game wasn't perfect, but it captured the college atmosphere. It was a lot rewarding starting out as at a 1 Star school as a coordinator and working your way up to a HC of a 5 star school or as a HC and building a 1 star school into a 5 star school. While in Madden, you could take a team 17' Browns and be a Super Bowl team by year 2 or 3.
    I wouldn't put my pre-order in just yet. I think this is a giant leap to a favorable conclusion from the community based on a move by the NCAA that is not necessarily done in good faith. 
    jerwoods
    let say in 2 years the green light gets given i couild see schools like Norte Dame Mich NW Stanford Baylor not give there license up

    I don’t think that would be an issue. Only would be if EA doesn’t get the NCAA license. Then EA would have to individually license every school like it would have to right now. But with the NCAA they wouldn’t have too.
    BA2929
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.* Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.

    Unless they had generic schools in generic conferences in make believe locations that probably would still be a problem with conferences not agreeing to give EA licensing approval. I could see the editing ability being a legal problem. A slick lawyer could claim EA provided the ability to edit a player and steal a likeness.
    EA is still hurting from the O'Bannon money they had to pay. The lawyers won't approve this until it is a lock tight lawsuit proof deal. Then the question is how much EA has to pay each athlete for likeness.
    Cam Fan
    Interesting article from SI.com

    My guess is the NCAA will change the current system to make paying players legal because the FBI is currently "disrupting" the current system of paying players. I do believe the NCAA will approve this.
    Still doesn't guarantee a new EA sports NCAA football game unless and until details are worked out but it is a step in the right direction. It would be helpful if the NCAA ruling also laid out a structure for how to facilitate the payments with schools and athletes signing some legal document and also an amount to be paid.
    tessl
    My guess is the NCAA will change the current system to make paying players legal because the FBI is currently "disrupting" the current system of paying players. I do believe the NCAA will approve this.
    Still doesn't guarantee a new EA sports NCAA football game unless and until details are worked out but it is a step in the right direction. It would be helpful if the NCAA ruling also laid out a structure for how to facilitate the payments with schools and athletes signing some legal document and also an amount to be paid.

    Thats why I think NCAA will find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them not to doing anything. When you see lawmakers trying to pass a bill about the issue, there was no avoiding it. So for NCAA to start talking about it and having until October(5 months) make a decision is encouraging.
    But I agree it doesn't guarantee a new game. There is still a big process for them to go through before they could even get the green light
    illwill10
    Thats why I think NCAA will find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them not to doing anything. When you see lawmakers trying to pass a bill about the issue, there was no avoiding it. So for NCAA to start talking about it and having until October(5 months) make a decision is encouraging.
    But I agree it doesn't guarantee a new game. There is still a big process for them to go through before they could even get the green light

    Ideally the NCAA would work with the game industry to provide a structure for the payments when they decide it will be allowed. Something where the conferences sign on and schools and athletes sign also. If that happens and the price is reasonable then I see a new game. Each game company having to negotiate a deal on their own would be chaos.
    Unfortunately I don't have much faith in the NCAA but maybe they will surprise me.
    testorz

    I don't see College Basketball coming back anytime. Especially from EA. Until they can get Live to a solid level, I don't want them attempting a college basketball game.
    I think EA or 2k is the only legitimate options. I don't feel College sports are marketable enough for other gaming companys to have create and develop on a engine from scratch. Whereas EA and 2k could use revenue from their flagships to develop games and don't have to build games from scratch
    tessl
    Ideally the NCAA would work with the game industry to provide a structure for the payments when they decide it will be allowed. Something where the conferences sign on and schools and athletes sign also. If that happens and the price is reasonable then I see a new game. Each game company having to negotiate a deal on their own would be chaos.
    Unfortunately I don't have much faith in the NCAA but maybe they will surprise me.

    Thats only how I see think it will work. I'm sure NCAA will want to have more control this time around to avoid issues. They would have to find a way to get player likeness in a resourceful way. You pretty much have to get a good chunk(75-80%) of players to sign away their likeness or go generic. EA would have to get NCAAs help with that. I know EA use to go to as many schools as possible to get likenesses of stadium and atmosphere, but it will be way too challenging to go to every individual school and get the likeness of every player.
    EA wants to make a new game, but it is all up to the NCAA to get on board. NCAA is going to be the deciding factor if we are getting a new game
    illwill10
    Thats only how I see think it will work. I'm sure NCAA will want to have more control this time around to avoid issues. They would have to find a way to get player likeness in a resourceful way. You pretty much have to get a good chunk(75-80%) of players to sign away their likeness or go generic. EA would have to get NCAAs help with that. I know EA use to go to as many schools as possible to get likenesses of stadium and atmosphere, but it will be way too challenging to go to every individual school and get the likeness of every player.
    EA wants to make a new game, but it is all up to the NCAA to get on board. NCAA is going to be the deciding factor if we are getting a new game
    I agree with this. I think this step is about legally corralling the likeness issues. Now whether players are compensated with money or scholarships or however they do it, this is the first step. In a perfect world the NCAA would adopt the Olympic Model and be done with it. I imagine there will be a way for student athletes to opt out if they choose to. It might just be me, but the language around the parameters, particularly the part about connecting it to education, is confusing to me. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the proposals later this year.
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    Junior Moe
    I agree with this. I think this step is about legally corralling the likeness issues. Now whether players are compensated with money or scholarships or however they do it, this is the first step. In a perfect world the NCAA would adopt the Olympic Model and be done with it. I imagine there will be a way for student athletes to opt out if they choose to. It might just be me, but the language around the parameters, particularly the part about connecting it to education, is confusing to me. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the proposals later this year.
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    I have optimism that something comes from this. Not necessarily a new game, but as far player likeness. This is not where in the past few years we hear about a trial/court situation that could lead to change. This the NCAA talking about this is putting a group together to find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them to keep avoiding. The whole "tethering to education" is confusing. I get the whole no "pay to play", but impossible to abolish that. So imploying the Olympic model would help.
    But they would really need to find a way to compensate players. Its not like NFL where they can pay the players union. It will be too expensive and too many resources needed to pay every player. They don't need to be scanned or even pictures needed for rosters. I would be content with just names.
    Here is a an interesting more detailed read than the ESPN article.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/08/judge-lifts-ncaa-limits-athletes-compensation-related-education/2887122002/
    This part here is really interesting and I think sums up where we are:
    "At the same time, however, her 104-page ruling prevents athletes from receiving unlimited benefits, as the plaintiffs had hoped.
    The NCAA "may continue ... to limit compensation and benefits that are unrelated to education," Wilken ruled.
    She also said that the association may adopt a definition of compensation and benefits that are “related to education.
    The NCAA Division I Manual shows the current limits on the value of these kinds of awards, but added together, they could provide athletes the opportunity to receive several thousand dollars worth of academically related awards.
    Wilken wrote that the changes to the NCAA's current system will take effect in 90 days, but will be stayed if either side appeals."
    After reading the USA Today article, I actually like some of the education benefits like grad school and money in scholarships. They could get the extra scholarship money back in refunds, right? It's disproportionate compensation for collegiate rock stars like Tebow, Zion or Kyler Murray, but for the other 98% of student athletes in the revenue generating sports, it's not bad.
    Bringing this back to videogames. I'm hoping that in essence, this essentially means that the schools and NCAA could use the players images and likeness in stuff like games and jerseys. In exchange, the players get these extra benefits. I don't think it's enough, but it is better IMO. It's a ways off and who knows how it will ultimately play out but like I said before, I can see the parameters of how we could see NCAA games again. Fingers crossed!
    Junior Moe
    After reading the USA Today article, I actually like some of the education benefits like grad school and money in scholarships. They could get the extra scholarship money back in refunds, right? It's disproportionate compensation for collegiate rock stars like Tebow, Zion or Kyler Murray, but for the other 98% of student athletes in the revenue generating sports, it's not bad.
    Bringing this back to videogames. I'm hoping that in essence, this essentially means that the schools and NCAA could use the players images and likeness in stuff like games and jerseys. In exchange, the players get these extra benefits. I don't think it's enough, but it is better IMO. It's a ways off and who knows how it will ultimately play out but like I said before, I can see the parameters of how we could see NCAA games again. Fingers crossed!

    I like that idea. But how often do we really get those collegiate rock stars. I'm talking about truly transcendent marketability players while in college. I'm not talking well regarded good players or players like Lonzo. Before Zion, last truly marketable pre NBA player since the 2012 draft with Anthony Davis(but you can count Ben Simmons since he was talked about pre-college). As for football, there were more often then CBB, but it isn't drastic. There are probably 1-3 players each draft. Outside of Kyler Murray, last transcendent college football player was Manziel. So, I don't see an issue with players commanding major money. Most Heisman and Wooden Award winners aren't that marketable there mostly just the best players on the best teams. I don't see there being an issue where a booster or endorser promises endorsements to a recruit because there are rarely recruits who are that marketable before college.
    If it pans out, I can really see it benefitting all sides. EA could possibily put the most current marketable players on the cover the current year. Casual fans would love to play with the Sophomore Heisman winner in the next game. It brings more publicity to the NCAA. Having real players and coaches would help sell the game more in which brings more attention to the NCAA. NCAA Football helped get me into College Football so I know it would bring in others. I fell off CFB after NCAA Football ended. It would help the players because it gives them publicity. Most of them always wanted to be in a video game but most won't make it to Pros. So this could be only chance.
    Having real players is honestly at the bottom of my wishlist for a college football game. Honestly, after two years, most of the rosters in a dynasty are made up of random CPU generated recruits anyways. My worry is that they'll greenlight something with real players as the selling point, and then focus on that and online play, while letting Dynasty mode rot.
    I would gladly pay good money for Generic College Football 2020. Fake schools, generic uniforms, fake players that are randomly generated for each dynasty (so they're totally different than reality). Let the gamer customize as much as they want from the ground up, or not at all, and make the focus on being able to control everything that happens at your school, and what your own version of the college football universe should be. That's what I want.
    Unlucky 13
    Having real players is honestly at the bottom of my wishlist for a college football game. Honestly, after two years, most of the rosters in a dynasty are made up of random CPU generated recruits anyways. My worry is that they'll greenlight something with real players as the selling point, and then focus on that and online play, while letting Dynasty mode rot.
    I would gladly pay good money for Generic College Football 2020. Fake schools, generic uniforms, fake players that are randomly generated for each dynasty (so they're totally different than reality). Let the gamer customize as much as they want from the ground up, or not at all, and make the focus on being able to control everything that happens at your school, and what your own version of the college football universe should be. That's what I want.

    Me either. I could care less about player likeness. I am not a big CFB fan like I use to be. So honestly, I only know hand full of player names. If they continue with Coach Carousel, I'll start with a 1 star school and won't be focused on current players anyway.
    I just want them to build off of NCAA 14. I don't want them to try to follow the current sports trends and going towards the whole monetization route. Build off of Dynasty, Road to Glory, Mini Games. Wonder if they would go back to Teambuilder. They could really expand on the customization
    We will accept almost anything collegiate. Though even I draw the line at fake schools. I'm fine with fictional players, but I need the schools and stadiums. That is college football to me.
    I think getting the real players would change little in the games. I dont see them mo capping Trevor Lawrence or Tua. They're just now getting authentic passing motions in Madden and they pay a ton for that license. I think it would be a lot like now with the exception the commentary could reference real events and players.
    I could see ultimate team still utilizing the NFLPA more so as the players are more known. I do believe that Road To Glory would be the big money maker.
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    Junior Moe
    We will accept almost anything collegiate. Though even I draw the line at fake schools. I'm fine with fictional players, but I need the schools and stadiums. That is college football to me.
    I think getting the real players would change little in the games. I dont see them mo capping Trevor Lawrence or Tua. They're just now getting authentic passing motions in Madden and they pay a ton for that license. I think it would be a lot like now with the exception the commentary could reference real events and players.
    I could see ultimate team still utilizing the NFLPA more so as the players are more known. I do believe that Road To Glory would be the big money maker.
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    I agree. I wouldn't want fake schools. That is the line in the sand. I don't think it will have a big impact as you said. Even Commentary, I don't really see them having a lot of commentary on current players just a hand full of players. I see more about team history.
    I can see them having historic teams. I can see them having past players for Ultimate team. Especially players from the past 6 years. I don't play UT, but. I see the pull in playing as Ohio State Zeke or Saquan or Kyler. I can see them expanding with Dynasty with CFB Playoff and improving Coach Carousel.
    I can definitely see Road To Glory as a big moneymaker. I still take RTG over most(if not all) career modes. High School thru College. No cheesy story, but it follows your career, good progression, and good presentation. Only downside was locked into 5 min Quarters. But I can definitely see them putting a lot of resources into it. Especially if they can allow you to import your player to Face of Franchise.
    One thing I believe people aren't thinking about is the problem a new NCAA game would entail, which is it would inherit modern Madden's janky, ugly gameplay. To this day, NCAA 14's gameplay engine blows current Madden's out of the water, imo.
    Read the last page of this thread (40 ppp) for some insight on this deal. This is the dev of Maximum football and he's spoken to reps from the NCAA regarding the recent news:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/doug-fluties-maximum-football/944015-doug-fluties-maximum-football-2019-development-thread-4.html#post2049786028
    Doesn't sound promising.
    (Please don't clog up that thread with conversation, keep it in this thread but wanted to share his perspective and conversation for reference)
    kehlis
    Read the last page of this thread (40 ppp) for some insight on this deal. This is the dev of Maximum football and he's spoken to reps from the NCAA regarding the recent news:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/doug-fluties-maximum-football/944015-doug-fluties-maximum-football-2019-development-thread-4.html#post2049786028
    Doesn't sound promising.
    (Please don't clog up that thread with conversation, keep it in this thread but wanted to share his perspective and conversation for reference)

    He doe provide useful information. I liked his honest insight.
    Not sure if NCAA would allow players to be in video games even if they find a way to resolve the NIL issues. Even if they do allow it, EA would have to get the license and hope that NCAA & conferences/teams are willing to take that litigation risk. That'll be the thing that determines if we ever see licensed game. If we're lucky just only be no roster sharing. Because we ever do see a new game, NCAA will most likely have a larger say of what can and can't be in the new game
    So yes, it is a uphill battle even if they 'resolve' the NIL issue. But all we can do is be hopeful
    80 million in revenue is nothing to sneeze at, but I was surprised by the 2 million units sold. I figured the game did twice that, at least. This was a very well received game with the real schools, teams, and essentially, players. Maybe the college football gaming market isn't as large as we think.
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    Junior Moe
    80 million in revenue is nothing to sneeze at, but I was surprised by the 2 million units sold. I figured the game did twice that, at least. This was a very well received game with the real schools, teams, and essentially, players. Maybe the college football gaming market isn't as large as we think.
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    Madden was making that in MUT shortly after NCAA stopped. As much as we want college sports games, they weren't selling like that. 2k dropped college sports because it wasn't selling well enough. They could have continued with CFB 2k because I know Gamebreaker had a 2003 version the next year or when they lost the license. NCAA Basketball stopped because of sales reasons. College football is one of the top regarded sports in America but as far as games, it wasn't up there. It was outselling NBA Live because Live was a disaster at that time.
    I don't know whether NIL could be an issue for casuals. They don't want to play with QB #13 or have to have auto generated rosters. EA knew what they were doing. I remember a NCAA interview years ago with Ben Haumiller. There was a game with with South Carolina playing. He was talking how WR #1 was one of the best WRs in the country. He knew he was talking about Alshon Jeffery, he just didn't say the name. What would need to happen to help with sales is really taking advantage of ESPN and NCAA. They really them to promote the game as much as possible. Using the game to highlight upcoming games.
    Gagnon39
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    I agree 100%! However, it is time for a game with licensed players, etc. Most people rely on a “handful” of roster editors to help them have the best gaming experience, and while most of them actually enjoy that process, the grind is real. For OCD sports gamers, like myself that do a lot of editing on my own, you may be several weeks into the season or even past midseason before you feel at peace with how you have things set up for dynasty, etc, especially if the game in on a yearly life cycle that’s tough as far as game longevity. The groups of roster editors deserve a game they can enjoy and play like all other college sports fans, not something they are constantly having to work on.
    kehlis
    Read the last page of this thread (40 ppp) for some insight on this deal. This is the dev of Maximum football and he's spoken to reps from the NCAA regarding the recent news:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/doug-fluties-maximum-football/944015-doug-fluties-maximum-football-2019-development-thread-4.html#post2049786028
    Doesn't sound promising.
    (Please don't clog up that thread with conversation, keep it in this thread but wanted to share his perspective and conversation for reference)

    I wouldn’t expect a different answer from them this early into that news breaking. I’m sure they’re not even wanting to think about that right now.. later on? I could definitely see a different (Atleast more promising) response.
    NCAA Football back to Bill Walsh has provided me with a series of lifelong friendships. It’s omission leaves a hole in my life. That said, if the NCAA gave the green light tomorrow, I’m still not certain EA would make a game. NCAA hoops series were cancelled before all of this court cases came to light. NCAA football didn’t really sell like people believe it did. I think it comes down to if the licensing cost can make sense going forward. I think we’re many years from seeing another game. If we see one, perhaps it is bi-annually or less frequent.
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    If we see one, perhaps it is bi-annually or less frequent.
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    Seeing that were all still playing the same one made 7 years ago, I dont think anyone would mind that haha.
    If were being honest, thats probably how sports game should operate anyway, but profit is always going to trump quality.
    No matter how or how many times someone tries to explain it to me, it will never make sense to me why EA can’t just make a college game with COMPLETELY random rosters. No likenesses whatsoever. And allow the rosters to be edited.
    Problem solved.
    Heck, I’d just play with random rosters. Because after year four of dynasty, it doesn’t matter anyway.
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    Gagnon39
    No matter how or how many times someone tries to explain it to me, it will never make sense to me why EA can’t just make a college game with COMPLETELY random rosters. No likenesses whatsoever. And allow the rosters to be edited.
    Problem solved.
    Heck, I’d just play with random rosters. Because after year four of dynasty, it doesn’t matter anyway.
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    This is what I don't understand. If the rosters are just randomly generated, or obviously don't use the likenesses of any real players, what litigation issues still stand for the schools to be afraid of?
    Gagnon39
    No matter how or how many times someone tries to explain it to me, it will never make sense to me why EA can’t just make a college game with COMPLETELY random rosters. No likenesses whatsoever. And allow the rosters to be edited.
    Problem solved.
    Heck, I’d just play with random rosters. Because after year four of dynasty, it doesn’t matter anyway.
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    I could never wrap my head around that either. Literally fill out every roster with the exact same ethnically-ambiguous 6’2 220lb guy with a 75 overall rating, every team, every position, then include roster editing & sharing and let us do the rest. I don’t know what I’m missing about why that couldn’t work.
    The lawsuits over likeness precipitated the end of the series. It stands to reason that is still the case.
    Even if the NCAA somehow compensates players for their likeness, and got their consent for stuff like games there could still be lawsuits over the use. People will sue for anything. Lawsuits cost money.
    If EA provides a roster share, in a way, they are providing the means to infringe on player likeness. Granted, the court case was over them shipping the game with essentially the real players without the names.
    What happens when someone uploads Vince Young Texas roster and plays Reggie Bush and Leinarts USC squad and streams it? I know it's small, but little stuff like that could lead to the court room.
    NCAA Football games shipped with basically the real rosters and it didn't sell great. It was profitable but it wasn't killing it, either. So maybe EA sees super generic and fictional rosters (my hope) as a nonstarter. Its just a complicated mess that at the end of the day may not be worth the legal hoops necessary to bring back.
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    Nza
    I'm curious to see how NCAA would fit into an EA that is now driven by competitive play, MUT and other commercial interests. NCAA is a bit more niche and I don't think fits that model very well. Its user base is likely much more interested in authenticity and EA probably wouldn't want NCAA eating into Madden's market anyway.

    This is a great point, there was a MUT type of game on NCAA 14, I am sure they will do that for NCAA, EA already has likeness rights for Madden, for current players and lots of legends. They will now get to double dip as they will get people putting in money to get the same players on NCAA as Madden but only have to pay once. They'll make a killing.
    nflman2033
    This is a great point, there was a MUT type of game on NCAA 14, I am sure they will do that for NCAA, EA already has likeness rights for Madden, for current players and lots of legends. They will now get to double dip as they will get people putting in money to get the same players on NCAA as Madden but only have to pay once. They'll make a killing.

    Some type of NCAA Ultimate Team with player cards working as recruits in an online franchise type game mode would be pretty f'in cool.
    On second thought, Id rather just a regular online franchise haha
    Junior Moe
    The lawsuits over likeness precipitated the end of the series. It stands to reason that is still the case.
    Even if the NCAA somehow compensates players for their likeness, and got their consent for stuff like games there could still be lawsuits over the use. People will sue for anything. Lawsuits cost money.
    If EA provides a roster share, in a way, they are providing the means to infringe on player likeness. Granted, the court case was over them shipping the game with essentially the real players without the names.
    What happens when someone uploads Vince Young Texas roster and plays Reggie Bush and Leinarts USC squad and streams it? I know it's small, but little stuff like that could lead to the court room.
    NCAA Football games shipped with basically the real rosters and it didn't sell great. It was profitable but it wasn't killing it, either. So maybe EA sees super generic and fictional rosters (my hope) as a nonstarter. Its just a complicated mess that at the end of the day may not be worth the legal hoops necessary to bring back.
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    I agree.
    The whole random roster thing would have been better originally. Especially these lawsuits started popping up.
    Even with random rosters, schools are still afraid of litigation. At the very least, I'm sure they would want no roster share.
    But I'm sure EA would want to bring back the series. But also has to wonder if it is worth it. Only was selling 2 million copies a year at most. The licensing costs and development costs alone will cost a lot. Plus I don't know if it as simple as using Madden code for game engine and building off of NCAA 14.
    I don't think real players and coaches actually push the needle. It'll help for the NCAA. More exposure and recruiting, but I don't think it raises sells. They would need a very popular online mode at the least. The whole Anti Loot box bill, could affect things
    bh446066
    As long as we are wishing for things...let’s hope it comes back without EA getting the exclusive license

    Only thing is I don't see many studios who are going to want to jump into the college football market. With license, engine, and development costs, I only see big AAA companys being willing to take on this task and costs. The main three are EA, 2k, and Sony. As I said many times before, I don't 2k interested in college market because they have shown they will scrap a series if it doesn't meet expectations. Sony is a wild card. The 989 Sports Gamebreaker series was decent from what I remember. But the Sony Studio in San Diego main priority has been MLB The Show just like 2k sports is NBA 2k. The last non baseball title the Sony sports studios has produced was NBA 10: The Inside. Thats the one thing I try to be aware of when critiquing Madden/EA. With the Show and NBA2k, they are the companies highest(only) priority. SIE San Diego Studio, pretty much has been only developing MLB The Show for last decade(outside of a few other games). 2k sports just down to NBA(and Playgrounds), WWE(which hasn't been well regarded) and I think Golf Club. So, the situations are alot smoother there. Whereas, Fifa is the flagship title of EA Sports and the fact Madden has had to share resources with Live past 3-4 years. I'm not giving them any excuses, I'm just saying the other major sports title have an easier situation.
    The fear is that NCAA would turn into Madden as far as bugs and direction. Most hope they improve on from NCAA 14 and that it can immediately return to the level they were at.
    I'm optimistic, but the whole 18 months from this October we could see a new game thing isn't as realistic as we hope. It's not that it should take that long to develop since they wouldn't bw building code and game from scratch. I'm sure They could use code from NCAA 14 and a lot of modern code from Madden to help speed up process. But the whole 18 month thing only applies if the approved ruling changes gets applied immediately. Unless I'm wrong, the October deadline is for the working group to have the report where they going to decide whether to allow the changes. I doubt that report will come with proposed rule changes. So will most likely go through a lengthy process trying to find a middle ground. Even then, any proposed changes are rarely implemented immediately. So it could be the next season or following season, before those rules are implemented. So we could be talking earliest could be 2021-22 and between 23-24 season. It won't be until then NCAA considers selling the license. Then EA(or any company) has to sit down with NCAA to come up with an approved way to compensate players, get player likenesses, developing game(which I doubt they will try to do in one year if they get license). So it is likely we won't see a new game for 4-6 years instead of the 2 years we all hope
    illwill10
    I agree.
    The whole random roster thing would have been better originally. Especially these lawsuits started popping up.
    Even with random rosters, schools are still afraid of litigation. At the very least, I'm sure they would want no roster share.
    But I'm sure EA would want to bring back the series. But also has to wonder if it is worth it. Only was selling 2 million copies a year at most. The licensing costs and development costs alone will cost a lot. Plus I don't know if it as simple as using Madden code for game engine and building off of NCAA 14.
    I don't think real players and coaches actually push the needle. It'll help for the NCAA. More exposure and recruiting, but I don't think it raises sells. They would need a very popular online mode at the least. The whole Anti Loot box bill, could affect things

    I think that if EA can bring the series back and have Ultimate Team return with it and they are able to get people to dip into it as much it would make the series more profitable than ever before. They had the mode in '14, but that was just around the beginning for it all. Now with how popular MUT and FUT are I could see them bringing the mode back with this series and getting people to spend millions also. There is a larger pool of former players to select from. A lot of licenses to potentially acquire for guys that didn't pan out in the NFL and don't fit MUT. Jamarcus Russel, Ken Dorsey, Ryan Leaf, etc. If they can get people to double dip, buy Madden and NCAA, spend money in both Ultimate Teams, then they will be raking in the cash between both games like never before.
    I think that an Ultimate Team mode that would bring them in millions post-launch would be the best thing to hope for if we ever want to see the series return. I don't see EA being too interested if the game is going to be lacking an Ultimate Team mode. The series was never the most profitable and the worries would outweigh any small profits. Having random rosters, small worries about litigation, and expecting huge profits thanks to Ultimate Team would probably make them lean a lot more towards bringing it back sooner rather than later.
    canes21
    I think that if EA can bring the series back and have Ultimate Team return with it and they are able to get people to dip into it as much it would make the series more profitable than ever before. They had the mode in '14, but that was just around the beginning for it all. Now with how popular MUT and FUT are I could see them bringing the mode back with this series and getting people to spend millions also. There is a larger pool of former players to select from. A lot of licenses to potentially acquire for guys that didn't pan out in the NFL and don't fit MUT. Jamarcus Russel, Ken Dorsey, Ryan Leaf, etc. If they can get people to double dip, buy Madden and NCAA, spend money in both Ultimate Teams, then they will be raking in the cash between both games like never before.
    I think that an Ultimate Team mode that would bring them in millions post-launch would be the best thing to hope for if we ever want to see the series return. I don't see EA being too interested if the game is going to be lacking an Ultimate Team mode. The series was never the most profitable and the worries would outweigh any small profits. Having random rosters, small worries about litigation, and expecting huge profits thanks to Ultimate Team would probably make them lean a lot more towards bringing it back sooner rather than later.

    I do feel like Ultimate Team could really help. Like you said, if they could get the rights to past college legends, it can really add tons of revenue. I don't play UT, I understand the allure. Imagine getting a Florida Tebow or 88' OKU Barry Sanders or Texas Vince Young or USC Reggie Bush. Those would really sell well.
    My thing is the Anti Loot bill situation. It would affect the whole UT/micro transaction sections. Companies now makes tons of revenue off of MT. So if they couldn't do it or have to change how they approach it, it could have a ripple affect. Games like 2k, makes so off of VC purchases. Since people want to be competitive online asap and starting off at 60 OVR, people are willing to spend that $40-50 to get to 85 OVR. Also tons from MyTeam. That would really effect 2k if they lose that avenue since they just signed 7 years 1.1 billion for license. Where now they could pay that with money from MT alone, so if they lose that it would change things.
    NCAA doesn't really need UT like so other games do. What would really help NCAA and Madden, is shorter online game modes. People don't want to spend 30 minutes games online all the time and at same time don't want shorter quarters if they want a sim experience. That's what really helps 2k. A lot of Park and neighborhood events can last only 5-15 minutes. That is the ideal number for most gamers online. They want to get as many games in as little as possible. So NCAA and Madden could add smaller game modes. Like practice drills, combine events, using career mode players online. I don't play online, but I can see the fun in it. Imagine competing in rushing attack where opponent controls opposite team trying to keep your score low. Or doing the Oklahoma drill online. I think quick online game modes would help bring people in
    I see where you are coming from, but I don't know if the mini-camp drill competitions would draw too many players. I just can't see too many wanting to hop on and play a few Oklahoma Drills before bed. I could see maybe if EA did a mode that was just pitting people together in OT situations or OT like situations. A mode where it is like penalty shots in hockey, but with OT possessions instead.
    I personally believe that Ultimate Team is our best friend with regards to bring NCAA football back if all other factors like the schools consenting to be included were taken care of. NCAA was never profitable. If all of a sudden EA has the ability to release another football game and potentially double their revenue from football games simply by having another Ultimate Team mode then the suits are going to be very interested. Like you said, someone opening some packs and gathering a team together that had Tim Tebow as QB, Barry Sanders as RB, AJ Green at WR, plus other guys that weren't too hot in the NFL, but were studs in college would give it the same allure of MUT, but with collegiate aspects.
    If these proposed actions against micro-transactions do ever pass and modes like MUT are deeply threatened, I could see how that could benefit and also hurt the return of NCAA football. 1) that would be a ton of revenue for EA to lose between FUT, HUT, and MUT. They may be interested in putting resources back into NCAA to make some extra profit. 2) if the suits were really interested in an NCAA UT and the laws passed killing that possibility they may not want to put any resources into reviving the series when the profits wouldn't be sky high. It'll be interesting to see. For now I will just remain in belief that Ultimate Team is potentially our best friend with regards to getting another NCAA game.
    canes21
    I see where you are coming from, but I don't know if the mini-camp drill competitions would draw too many players. I just can't see too many wanting to hop on and play a few Oklahoma Drills before bed. I could see maybe if EA did a mode that was just pitting people together in OT situations or OT like situations. A mode where it is like penalty shots in hockey, but with OT possessions instead.
    I personally believe that Ultimate Team is our best friend with regards to bring NCAA football back if all other factors like the schools consenting to be included were taken care of. NCAA was never profitable. If all of a sudden EA has the ability to release another football game and potentially double their revenue from football games simply by having another Ultimate Team mode then the suits are going to be very interested. Like you said, someone opening some packs and gathering a team together that had Tim Tebow as QB, Barry Sanders as RB, AJ Green at WR, plus other guys that weren't too hot in the NFL, but were studs in college would give it the same allure of MUT, but with collegiate aspects.
    If these proposed actions against micro-transactions do ever pass and modes like MUT are deeply threatened, I could see how that could benefit and also hurt the return of NCAA football. 1) that would be a ton of revenue for EA to lose between FUT, HUT, and MUT. They may be interested in putting resources back into NCAA to make some extra profit. 2) if the suits were really interested in an NCAA UT and the laws passed killing that possibility they may not want to put any resources into reviving the series when the profits wouldn't be sky high. It'll be interesting to see. For now I will just remain in belief that Ultimate Team is potentially our best friend with regards to getting another NCAA game.

    I agree that wouldn't draw in many people. My thing was just that Football(both) needs to come up with shorter fun online modes that will bring in more gamers. It is not as easy for Football to have those quick fast online games without sacrificing on realism like Basketball can.
    I do see the pool of gamers UT can bring in for NCAA. Especially if they bring in college legends. But the Anti Loot box bill does raise a concern. First, I very much doubt it would be the end of Ultimate Team and micro transactions. They would need to eliminate all chance when it comes pulling cards and try to eliminate the advantage gain from MT. It would be smart for companies to start adjusting how they approach the whole MT situation. Where they would still bring in revenue if they adjust it. But no way near as much. When you eliminate all chance and pay to win, people aren't going to spend as much extra money because they will know what to expect. Companies can't be care less enough to maintain status quo like EA with NILs. Once the lawsuits started popping up, it should have clicked to them that they should have changed their approach with default rosters. But no, they probably thought nothing would come from it and they can continue on.
    I just think we are looking at this with rose colored glasses. The fact is the game didn't sell GREAT overall and what % of those people that purchased it would even be interesting in spending more on ultimate team transactions? EA knew what they were doing and got away with it as long as possible. Casual fans wanted to download rosters and go online and play for a couple months before Madden came out and trade it in.
    ndfan1993
    I just think we are looking at this with rose colored glasses. The fact is the game didn't sell GREAT overall and what % of those people that purchased it would even be interesting in spending more on ultimate team transactions? EA knew what they were doing and got away with it as long as possible. Casual fans wanted to download rosters and go online and play for a couple months before Madden came out and trade it in.

    I do agree that NCAA series is more of a cult favorite. Where a lot of people felt towards the end, NCAA was a better product than Madden. But in reality, it wasn't selling more than 2 million copies and wasn't as profitable. I don't think other companies was fighting over the exclusive license since I believe Gamebreaker was the last licensed Non-EA game. They stopped in 2003. So, I think only a company like EA is our only choice because they could afford to not expect huge sales and take whatever extra revenue they could get. I do agree that many people bought NCAA just for their football fix until Madden and also wanted to import their draft classes and RTG.
    The reality is that college sports games were never as profitable we thought. Companies dropped college sports quick because they weren't selling well. College Football is the main sport that is marketable enough now to consider making a game. But I don't see NIL pushing the needle for casual gamers. Unless you have those transcendent marketable players. The casual fan wont know many names
    ndfan1993
    I just think we are looking at this with rose colored glasses. The fact is the game didn't sell GREAT overall and what % of those people that purchased it would even be interesting in spending more on ultimate team transactions? EA knew what they were doing and got away with it as long as possible. Casual fans wanted to download rosters and go online and play for a couple months before Madden came out and trade it in.

    The fact that the game didn't sell well is exactly why I think an Ultimate Team mode is our best hope at the moment. It would potentially bring the series millions extra in revenue it otherwise would never get. Would it be as popular as FUT or MUT? I am not sure, but based off current trends in gaming I would imagine that the UT mode in a new NCAA game would not be a flop and would potentially bring EA more than enough money to justify bringing the series back.
    EA would need to find ways to differentiate MUT from NCAA's UT(NUT) and give users incentives to play it or even both. If they can get even a slimmer of the MUT crowd to start double dipping and grow that base year after year then the potential revenue the series would bring in would make NCAA worth it to return.
    I just don't see EA bringing the game back anytime soon because of it not selling well before unless EA does see that a NUT done properly is going to boost their revenue from the series a decent amount. I think it needs to be realized that these "casual fans" we are talking about are the same ones that make MUT, FUT, and HUT as profitable as they are. When I was working while in college everyone I worked with played Madden. They all played MUT because franchise mode was so bland and boring to them. Some of these guys hardly watched the NFL. They didn't even know who Sean Taylor was, they didn't know who half the starting QB's in the NFL were. They pumped 100's of hours + $10-$100 into the ultimate team modes and had fun playing H2H with their teams while learning current and former players.
    Ultimate team modes are designed exactly for the casual crowd and setting up one more game, NCAAF, to get a slice of that pie may not be as farfetched as you all believe. I know it is anecdotal and may not represent the whole casual population, but those guys I used to work with were all 100% interested in NCAAF returning if it had an ultimate team mode in it. They wanted another game with ultimate team to build up a roster with. They wanted collegiate uniforms, sounds and sights, open gameplay along with the other alluring aspects of ultimate team.
    I have a couple general comments on some of the discussion here.
    I am not a fan of microtransactions and loot boxes, but I do agree with the sentiment that if you could get former players like Tim Tebow, Tommie Frazier, J.T. Barrett, Darren McFadden, Kijana Carter, or a John David Booty in some sort of UT mode there could very well be an appetite for that. The potential revenue stream that could create could be too lucrative to pass up. I have no idea if there is a market for that, but I tend to think there is.
    I also think the landscape of sports has changed over the past several years. Certainly since the last NCAA football game. College football has seen an increase in popularity, really for the past 10 years, but it seems like with TV deals and overall exposure and marketing you see on ESPN that the sport has grown in popularity. Maybe that translates to an NCAA football video game (combined with microtransactions for the casual fans) that has more appeal than it did previously.
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    mpklub
    I have a couple general comments on some of the discussion here.
    I am not a fan of microtransactions and loot boxes, but I do agree with the sentiment that if you could get former players like Tim Tebow, Tommie Frazier, J.T. Barrett, Darren McFadden, Kijana Carter, or a John David Booty in some sort of UT mode there could very well be an appetite for that. The potential revenue stream that could create could be too lucrative to pass up. I have no idea if there is a market for that, but I tend to think there is.
    I also think the landscape of sports has changed over the past several years. Certainly since the last NCAA football game. College football has seen an increase in popularity, really for the past 10 years, but it seems like with TV deals and overall exposure and marketing you see on ESPN that the sport has grown in popularity. Maybe that translates to an NCAA football video game (combined with microtransactions for the casual fans) that has more appeal than it did previously.
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    I do think the long absence, increasing popularity, possible endorsements, could add more appeal. One thing they could do to help that is really take advantage of the ESPN license. They should pay to promote the hell out of NCAA during College Gameday and during games. If players can start being endorsed, it can add more exposure to the game. Especially if they can get current transcendent college players on covers.
    But I don't know how the ESPN license situation will go. EA has been very private about renewing license. We don't even have a concrete year when the NFL license is up for renewal. EA signed a 15 year deal with ESPN in 2005. So it should be up for renewal next year. I don't see why they wouldn't renew it. But EA many just uses it for advertising. I don't think NBA Live will make the jump to next generation. EA hasn't taken advantage of ESPN as we hoped. I think 2k can jump back to get the ESPN license
    It's so hard to believe that it didn't sell well in the past. All of my friends went crazy when the new NCAA games came out and all of us played it. I remember the store I worked at sold a lot of copies and it wasn't a very big city. Maybe it's because we were a college town, but I would've guessed the game sold well.
    authentic
    It's so hard to believe that it didn't sell well in the past. All of my friends went crazy when the new NCAA games came out and all of us played it. I remember the store I worked at sold a lot of copies and it wasn't a very big city. Maybe it's because we were a college town, but I would've guessed the game sold well.

    It surprised me to find that out as well. I don't live in a college town exactly, Tennessee and Virginia Tech are about equal distance away, but everyone I knew growing up and even when working through smaller jobs before graduation everyone I worked with was all about NCAA. Some guys played Madden, too, but they also always got NCAA.
    authentic
    It's so hard to believe that it didn't sell well in the past. All of my friends went crazy when the new NCAA games came out and all of us played it. I remember the store I worked at sold a lot of copies and it wasn't a very big city. Maybe it's because we were a college town, but I would've guessed the game sold well.

    canes21
    It surprised me to find that out as well. I don't live in a college town exactly, Tennessee and Virginia Tech are about equal distance away, but everyone I knew growing up and even when working through smaller jobs before graduation everyone I worked with was all about NCAA. Some guys played Madden, too, but they also always got NCAA.

    I checked past game sales for sports games. I was suprised to see how NCAA games sold. The latter years NCAA Football was only selling 1-2+ million a year. But both college basketball series was only selling a few hundred thousand copies a year, so no surprise both series pulled the plug. Madden has been selling an average of 5-7 million past decade. NBA 2k has gotten to the 5-7 million range since 2k11. MLB the Show doesn't sell that great of numbers either, but thats due to it only being a Sony exclusive. NHL barely sells over a million a year. Live barely reaches 500K past couple years. But no one truly competes with Fifa because of the global allure of soccer. Fifa has been selling at least 10 mill a year for over past decade. They have double career sales than Madden.
    In summary, outside of Fifa, Madden, 2k, sports games don't really sell great numbers. So, I'm not surprised college sports game not selling over 2 million. I do think interest for CFB has risen past 6 years. Where I can see that number up to 3+ million if NCAA come back
    I think 3 million is very feasible with how college football has grown. It does make me think with how NHL sales that an NCAAFB game is something EA is eyeing and the delay is more on the side of the schools being scared. Of course, NHL has HUT that brings in even more money after sales are made. I just hope we get an NCAA game again and hopefully very soon.
    canes21
    I think 3 million is very feasible with how college football has grown. It does make me think with how NHL sales that an NCAAFB game is something EA is eyeing and the delay is more on the side of the schools being scared. Of course, NHL has HUT that brings in even more money after sales are made. I just hope we get an NCAA game again and hopefully very soon.

    I agree. 3-5 million copies is a good number for sports games. Besides Fifa, Madden, and 2k, most sports games don't sell high numbers. So If they can get around to 3 million, I think that'll be worth making the game annually again.
    Yeah, the schools are afraid of any legal issue. EA has shown they want to bring it back. CFB is a big enough sport where you feel If the game is good it'll do solid numbers. Even though EA hasn't done themselves any services with the whole lootbox issue(calling it "surprise mechanics" and comparing it to toys for kids), UT for NCAA would generate good revenue especially If you can get the classic CFB legends.
    I'm just keeping an eye out on the working group news. We essentially have 4 months until the report has to be submitted. Even If positive news come from this, it doesn't guarantee that a new game will be release in 18 months from then..
    I re-read the entire thread and every article posted inside of here after making my post. I also read a bunch of articles that were not posted inside of here. I feel like I understand the issue a lot more. I also pretty much have no hate towards O'Bannon and the other athletes at this point. It is clear the NCAA is the person all anger should be directed towards. I also had completely forgotten EA was willing to pay the players as was discovered during the case.

    One thing I had seen that I had not previously was that Condoleezza Rice and her commission believe players should be paid.
    That is another potential positive for us. I will also be keeping an eye on this working group over the next 4 months. I think more and more pressure is being put on the NCAA changing how it handles this now. I feel like the Olympic Model is the best route to go personally, and I think that route has been gaining more and more steam. I cross my fingers that this working group comes to the conclusion that that model is the way to go and they start working to figure everything out in the near future. We may not have an NCAA 21 or 22, but it may finally be something that does open the door back up for the series to return without the litigation fears.
    I also wonder how big the boost in sales would be if EA released the game with all FBS teams having real players named on it like they had aimed to get before all of this mess took place.
    I do hope they follow the Olympic model. I feel they almost HAVE to come up with a solution. There's too much outside pressure for the NCAA to avoid anymore. But that doesn't mean that it is going to be ideal for the players though. We all hope that we'll see a 2021 release. I see no way they'll release NCAA 21, so NCAA 22 would be the earliest. The main issue is that even if they find a way to compensate players and EA is able to do it with NCAA permission. There is still a chance it'll be years out for a new game. They still need to reacquire the NCAA License, work with NCAA to compensate players, and use a lot of resources to get every players NIL. Also with these rule changes, who knows how soon it will go inaffect. I doubt it is immediate. So could be start of 20-21 season or even later. I doubt NCAA lets EA get license until rules takes affect.
    I don't know if Player Likeness really pushes the needle like that honestly. Unless there is a very marketable player like Zion, most casual fan wont know majority of players. But it won't hurt sales either.
    I agree that it would probably not be ironed out for us to have an NCAA 21 or 22. I don't see that being the case. Could it happen? I guess with a company that has the resources like EA it definitely could. I wouldn't be surprised if they've kept some stuff up to date and played around in-house with college things. I know it is a bit of a stretch, but I also would not be surprised if EA going the route they did with Face of the Franchise in Madden was them dipping their toes into the waters. They acquired the licensing for the playoffs and are featuring updated authentic uniforms and whatnot for nearly 10% of FBS schools. Could it be the first step towards getting more schools comfortable with a game again? Could they have planned to have more schools and did more work to keep other schools up to date? Who knows.
    I certainly hope it is them testing the waters a bit and not just strictly for that mode. Maybe it is just me hoping, but I don't feel like they'd go through the trouble to get 10 schools in the game just for the sake of the mode. I feel like it is part of a bigger picture. That isn't me saying they are obviously working behind the scenes on an NCAA game.
    What I think is different with this working group through reading is that it seems to not just be the NCAA getting a group together that will get a group together that will get a group together to just act like they are doing something. From what I've read, there seems to be a lot of pressure from all over including the government to fix this situation. I also look at the wording they are choosing when talking about this group and it seems clear they are making sure to mention this isn't about pay to play, this isn't the schools paying the players, this is a team of people coming up with how to allow these athletes to profit off of their likenesses. That is very good news to me. If this working group submits their report and does find that they believe a model like the Olympic Model is the way to go then I think that is a huge victory for athletes and for us college sports gamers.
    canes21
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/06/24/ncaa-california-schools-could-banned-championships-over-bill/1542632001/
    This may not result in much, but it is interesting to see more pressure being put on the situation. Seems things are moving quicker than ever before. The NCAA still loves taking their time, but I am all for more and more pressure from congress and everyone else being put on the NCAA to get this mess taken care of.

    As for California, yes it would be good that the hearing pretty much starts tomorrow. But I don't know why Mark Emmert is taking this type of approach especially when they are forming a working group on this very subject. I would understand his approach if the whole working group thing wasn't currently in action. But this comes off as him really be opposed to allowing any form of compensation. Really it only applies to certain schools in CA. The proposed rule change for Cali only applies USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Cal.
    If thar rule change happens in California, then it is a chance that it leads to whole NCAA. I just don't like Emmerts stance on banning those teams from championships especially when you currently have a working group on this very subject
    There are a few different ways to take it. He could just be telling them to hold off with this legislation because the working group is already working towards actually fixing this issue. Then again, he could also be saying this because he's being true to himself and hates the idea of players ever being compensated. I'm no fan of Emmert. I don't know if anyone really is.
    I see it as potential good news because it is more pressure(even if the bill isn't brand new) on the subject and Emmert is addressing it specifically for some reason. It seems like everyone outside of the NCAA is leaning more and more towards players being compensated in some fashion. I don't see schools ever directly paying them, but I do believe a system like the Olympic Model is extremely popular among people and I feel like all of this pressure is leading us towards that. Hopefully the pressure acts as a catalyst. Maybe it already has with the working group being put together. You never know with the NCAA. This working group could be for show and they'll report in October that they feel the same they have. The working group could be legitimate and open up compensation for the players in the near future.
    I think the best we can hope for is the government puts more and more pressure on the NCAA to allow players to profit off of their likeness. The NCAA nor the schools have to pay the athlete. The athletes will be paid by 3rd parties only. The schools and NCAA can even take a cut from the money made. Someone help me see the big issue here that the NCAA sees.
    Yeah don't understand the hard push back. Likely the law wouldn't take place right away, even if it passed. So the working group could suggest it in Oct., and just unify everyone to benefit from it. Feels like they are fighting a losing battle. There is too much outside pressure for them to just remain status quo. When you have Emmert who received a 60% salary raise from Sept 2017 to Aug 2018, assistant college coaches making millions, schools signing big tv deals, but players not profitting from anything, that has pushed people to fight back against it. I prefer the Olympic model. Teen Athletes are more aware and are set in the choices. At most I see athletes choosing particular schools for the possible endorsements, but not necessary being promised compensation just to go there.
    When it comes to future of NCAA Football, I'm remain hopeful but at the same time cautious. October deadline is for the working group to submit the final report on their findings and suggestions. Even if they approve that players get compensated, it doesn't mean that rule change takes affect immediately. They would still need to go through the process of legally approving it and then picking a time for it to go in effect. That could take an additional year or so. So as much as we would want it within 18 months, could be alot longer.
    No doubt it will take longer than anyone wants it to. Even if we get the result we want that will lead to the series coming back, this is the government and the NCAA we are talking about. Neither are known for working quickly. At this point I don't see how the NCAA can keep status quo. The vast majority of people seem to be on board with a system in place that is the Olympic Model or something very similar. I wouldn't be surprised if the working group is for show and they just say we looked at it and we like the way it is now. If that happens, I expect more pressure than ever put on the NCAA.
    I know last year's situation with the UCF kicker and YouTube a lot of people turned against the NCAA because of the ridiculousness of the system. I know there are worries about this allowing the big programs to throw money around and be even better. Tons of money is already thrown around. Make rules to where no recruits can take any money, sign any future deals, or even talk to anyone about making money off of their likeness, have the schools and NCAA get a cut of when a player does profit from their likeness, and still have strict rules for situations of someone getting paid under the table. If someone wants to pay a Bama football player $50,000 to be a part of advertising in Tuscaloosa, let them. Some of that money will go into the NCAA's pocket, some will go to Bama, the rest to the player. If someone wants to do that, but under the table so only the player gets the money, then punish people like you do now when players get paid.
    The NCAA is really stupid here. They want to talk tough but they aren't a government sanctioned body. I guarantee that if California passes this law (which I think they will) and then USC comes out and goes undefeated there is a zero percent chance the NCAA keeps them out of the post season. If they actually did do that then I think you'd see the Power 5 break away from the NCAA and do their own thing. The NCAA has nothing they can really turn to here.
    As for how do you legislate it to ensure boosters are going rogue and paying recruits....that, in my opinion, is where the NCAA could really move this forward by coming forward with a plan for how they are going to vet legitimate business to prevent corruption. Maybe the NCAA creates an arm who's full time job is to assess businesses that want to do business with athletes,and in order to do they have to be approved by the NCAA. In turn, athletes can only receive endorsements by these businesses that the NCAA has approved.
    This isn't rocket science, but the NCAA makes it more difficult than it needs to be.
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    Maybe I am too optimistic, but I do believe the bill will be passed, but I think by the time it becomes active law the NCAA will have already figured out a plan to move forward and have something like what the bill is proposing.
    The Bill has been passed now all we do is wait on 2K or EA to make a move on CH2K21 and NCAA Football 21..The wait is on...But we just will hold til we hear frm one of them or them both.
    cowboy_kmoney
    The Bill has been passed now all we do is wait on 2K or EA to make a move on CH2K21 and NCAA Football 21..The wait is on...But we just will hold til we hear frm one of them or them both.

    Are you referring to the bill in California? If so, it looks like the bill doesn't go in to affect till 2023, so it is probably still a long shot we get either game to return.
    Unfortunately, I feel like college sports games are dead and will not be resurrected. If a game can't even get produced till 2024, that would be over 10 years since the last game was produced and I feel like too much time would have passed for a developer to even try to make a new game. I would love to be wrong and they come out with a new game in the next few years but we are going on Year 6 with no new game. To me, I just don't see it happening. It looks like we will forever be playing NCAA 14 and dreaming of what could have been on these new systems that come out.
    tarheelguy4736
    Are you referring to the bill in California? If so, it looks like the bill doesn't go in to affect till 2023, so it is probably still a long shot we get either game to return.
    Unfortunately, I feel like college sports games are dead and will not be resurrected. If a game can't even get produced till 2024, that would be over 10 years since the last game was produced and I feel like too much time would have passed for a developer to even try to make a new game. I would love to be wrong and they come out with a new game in the next few years but we are going on Year 6 with no new game. To me, I just don't see it happening. It looks like we will forever be playing NCAA 14 and dreaming of what could have been on these new systems that come out.

    As long as someone is making an NFL game and CFB continues to be one of the most popular sports in the country then there will always be a chance for a licensed college football game to release. With EA making Madden for the foreseeable future and already tapping into the collegiate game again then I don't think NCAA 14 will be the last licensed CFB game we'll ever have. Once everything is figured out and if we see players allowed to profit off of their likenesses then I expect a few years after that to see the series return.
    We already know that EA was willing to pay to have everyone's likeness before the series stopped, but the NCAA said no, so I'd assume that EA would be willing to pay the players all a flat rate for their likeness in the future if given the chance. The amount of money they'd make in the first week of Ultimate Team would probably cover the cost of using the likenesses.
    canes21
    As long as someone is making an NFL game and CFB continues to be one of the most popular sports in the country then there will always be a chance for a licensed college football game to release. With EA making Madden for the foreseeable future and already tapping into the collegiate game again then I don't think NCAA 14 will be the last licensed CFB game we'll ever have. Once everything is figured out and if we see players allowed to profit off of their likenesses then I expect a few years after that to see the series return.
    We already know that EA was willing to pay to have everyone's likeness before the series stopped, but the NCAA said no, so I'd assume that EA would be willing to pay the players all a flat rate for their likeness in the future if given the chance. The amount of money they'd make in the first week of Ultimate Team would probably cover the cost of using the likenesses.

    The California Bill hasn't officially passed. There's still more phases to go, I think there is another court date for it in August.
    I agree. I don't think NCAA 14 will be last licensed NCAA game. EA has shown that they want to make it. Besides NCAA Basketball, EA has shown patience with sports games even if it doesn't sale well. Compared to 2k, who has dropped games if it doesn't sale well. The main reason to be skeptical about future of NCAA Football is the NCAA. NCAA and Mark Emmert seems to be reluctant on allowing players to be compensated for licensed. Feels like NCAA created the working groups just because there is so much outside pressure for them to avoid it

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