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The NCAA is Investigating Whether or Not It’s Time to Bring NCAA Football Back

ESPN is reporting today that the NCAA is going to investigate whether the current rules can be modified to allow athletes to be compensated for their names, images, and likenesses.

Or in other words, is it time to pay players for things like being in NCAA Football from EA Sports.

The final report of the current inquiry is due in October. Assuming that comes back as a yes for athlete payments (and it feels somewhat inevitable that we’re heading for a yes given mounting public pressure) that would mean we can probably start about a 18-30 month countdown on getting an NCAA Football and basketball game out the door to consumers.

Could we see NCAA Football 22 happen released in July 2021? The odds of that happening went from 0 to something greater than 0 with today’s announcement.

So with that, we have real hope for the first time in years. Let us hold onto it.

It does look as if one person is already ready to resume his role in the booth:

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  1. It's time. I say that selfishly as a gamer, and as a fan of college sports. I get the schools not paying players directly and with title 9 and all that. But if a company like EA or 2K wants to license the players for a game, let them make that money. If Coke wants to pay Tua to hock product, let him make that money. If I want to pay Jake Fromm 100$ for an autograph, let dude make that money without fear of being suspended. I feel like if you let the market play out then you get rid of a lot of these shady dealings.
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    Seeing collegiate teams in NBA 2k and Madden now is making me feel like we may be coming closer to a game in the next few years. I would go bonkers for an NCAA football game on PC. I haven't kept up with all of the cases and whatnot, but is there still something other than fear from the universities that keeps a game from coming out that actually randomizes the rosters so that the likeness issue isn't the problem? Are there other issues at play besides the likeness issues? From what I understand, allowing the users to customize and share rosters is only an issue if EA markets the ability for users to create rosters that reflect real life. If they just market the ability to share rosters, sliders, playbooks, etc. then there is no liability. It only stems from them ever specifically marketing the aspect of using actual player likenesses in custom rosters and sharing them.
    somewhere in* a secret bunker, both 2k (CH2k) and EA(NCAA Football) have already been secretly working on a college sports title, just waiting for the day to be given the green light.* Upon given the go ahead both games release within a year.
    Drop "shamateurism" and let the players commercialize themselves with free-market opportunities. This has always made the most sense, I'm just amazed the NCAA is actually attempting to follow through on it. Profit sharing might be a future step, but it may be both impractical and infeasible to implement. I say this because unless you do an even split across the board, you run into arithmetic issues, or the share may be so small that it isn't worth it.
    There could be alternatives to explore, of course. Scholarships, cost reductions, etc.
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    Gagnon39
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    The CFB backed out after the lawsuit. Prior to that prior likeness issue, EA was easily able to negotiate a deal to have every team in the game.
    Once they backed out, it meant that any video game would have to individually negotiate with every single team to be in the game.
    So not only would you have had a game with generic players, you would have also had a game with generic teams.
    I would LOVE for NCAA to return. I believe it is time for a return. Since the ruling could be decided as late as this October, I'm sure EA will quickly gauge NCAA interest of bringing back a college football game. So potentially 2021 we could see a NCAA game. I believe it could be easy transition for EA to jump straight back into the college football game. Since NCAA would presumably use Madden's Engine and all that, they wouldn't have to build a new game from scratch. They could build off of NCAA 14 as far as features and atmosphere. Since NCAA wouldn't have the same pressure as Madden, devs would have more creative freedom. NCAA could immediately be a good game based on the easy transtion. If a return is possible, I wonder if they wait to develop for the next console generation. With the possibility of new consoles late next year, the first new NCAA game could be on the new generation. It still would be an easy transition due to Madden already developing for the new generation.
    kehlis
    The CFB backed out after the lawsuit. Prior to that prior likeness issue, EA was easily able to negotiate a deal to have every team in the game.
    Once they backed out, it meant that any video game would have to individually negotiate with every single team to be in the game.
    So not only would you have had a game with generic players, you would have also had a game with generic teams.

    Exactly.
    I wonder if it does happen, would the CFB be willing to get back on board. That could be a deciding factor. Because even if they change the rule, if CFB doesn't get back on board, I don't see a return of NCAA football. I don't see EA getting every team to give up their likeness
    illwill10
    Exactly.
    I wonder if it does happen, would the CFB be willing to get back on board. That could be a deciding factor. Because even if they change the rule, if CFB doesn't get back on board, I don't see a return of NCAA football. I don't see EA getting every team to give up their likeness

    I actually don't think that will be an issue. Their only fear was litigation. They will take money any way they can get it (as does any business).
    The only fear would be potential for litigation which this could potentially negate based on language.
    I was really only commenting on why there hasn't been generic games to this point as there was literally no means to do so with legitimate teams.
    I'm curious to see how NCAA would fit into an EA that is now driven by competitive play, MUT and other commercial interests. NCAA is a bit more niche and I don't think fits that model very well. Its user base is likely much more interested in authenticity and EA probably wouldn't want NCAA eating into Madden's market anyway.
    Gagnon39
    I have said this for many years and never understood any attempts at an answer...
    Why doesn’t EA or whoever, just make a college football game where they have everything BUT the players? Make a completely randomly generated roster for all teams. The problem before was that while the game never said... Tim Tebow... the quarterback from Florida was #15, threw left handed and had eerily similar attributes that Tebow would have had. So, well, just DON’T do that.
    But still allow rosters to be edited. Problem solved it would seem. I just don’t get it.
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    I've always thought this as well. Like your example of Tebow, instead of making him Caucasian in the game, could the developers made him African American instead with/without attributes like being left handed and not be sued? Or just totally randomize the in game players all together?
    For me, the uniqueness and all the types of offenses (pistol, option, wishbone, air raid...) and the developers being able to replicate all the school's stadiums, even the small ones, was what attracted me to NCAA. Yeah, having the actual names of the players instead of just the numbers was nice to have but it wasn't necessary for me to enjoy the game.
    I hope it happens, and soon.
    Since about NCAA 12, I could safely say I enjoyed playing football games, as there was a challange. Madden doesnt challange me anymore. Building superteams is way too easy, and has been since as far back as Madden 06. There are zero factors in player decision making, other then money. At least in college they take into effect the coaches, proximity to home, and wither or not they get national exposure. it is much more of a challange to take Kent state for example, and build them into a powerhouse. Heck, even the option that it will never happen is still very real. I could easily take the worst team in the NFL and make them a powerhouse in 1-2 years.
    Unfortunately, I think it's possible we've all been had. Here's the specific language from the actual NCAA release:
    This group will bring together diverse opinions from the membership — from presidents and commissioners to student-athletes — that will examine the NCAA’s position on name, image and likeness benefits and potentially propose rule modifications tethered to education.

    This sounds less clear to me than the ESPN article makes it sound. The NCAA wants to "tether" these changes to education. What exactly does that mean? Have people misinterpreted the NCAA's intent on this subject?
    Maybe there's other information I'm missing on the topic. I feel like, though, this doesn't necessarily mean they are giving free-market opportunities to athletes. Obviously, we know for certain they aren't open to directly paying athletes:
    According to the board, the group will not consider any concepts that could be construed as payment for participation in college sports.
    "While the formation of this group is an important step to confirming what we believe as an association, the group’s work will not result in paying students as employees."

    They are definitive there, but I don't think there was any expectation otherwise. Further:
    As part of its efforts, the working group will study modifications of current rules, policies and practices. In particular, it will focus on solutions that tie any changes to education; maintain the clear demarcation between professional and college sports; and further align student-athletes with the general student body.

    Again talking about tying modifications to education. They also want to maintain a "clear demarcation" between amateurs and the pros. That doesn't sound encouraging. The final line means almost nothing to me. Sounds like some sort of corporate jargon.
    Anyway, I hope this is as positive as the media outlets have made it seem, but to me, the actual press release from the NCAA makes this considerably less transparent.
    Who will compensate the players? The NCAA? The reason it works for professional sports is because the game company signs a deal with the player's union.
    I'd love to see it but count me as a skeptic. For one thing the original O'Bannon decision was ridiculous. The players likeness was not used - they were generic likenesses with dozens of players having the same face. Height, weight, and the uniform number are a player's likeness?
    If the colleges compensate the players and no outside entity has to pay then it might work. If EA sports has to compensate 85 scholarship players and possibly walk on players for every school which has football I doubt that is financially viable.
    I'd love to see it for next gen machines but I remain a skeptic. Until then NCAA 14 is the best game ever made on the ps3 and I'm fine with continuing my teambuilder dynasty until and unless the legal logjam is opened up.
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.  Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.
    Is there a possibility that someone like 2k could make a game? I’d love to have that as an option. Anyone majors developer that could make a solid game I’d be interested.
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    Man, this would be fantastic. I'm not even a fan of college football but I loved this series. Hell, this game turned me into a quasi-college football fan 20+ years ago. Once it went away, I almost completely stopped following the sport.
    To me, this is the best sports video game series ever. It was so much fun and the replay value and enjoyment of dynasty mode was unmatched.
    This would also allow me to go back to my old habits of buying Madden once every few years. One hell of a bonus!
    BA2929
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.* Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.

    That would be the most cost effective move. That is what they should have done in first place. Just made rosters completely randomized. They could have just used school strength to rate players.
    I don't see them trying to go after each individual player. That would be very cost ineffective and have to devote a lot of resources.
    jmarcguy
    Is there a possibility that someone like 2k could make a game? I’d love to have that as an option. Anyone majors developer that could make a solid game I’d be interested.
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    If I'm correct, any developer could make any college sports game if the rule allows it but I don't see many developers wanting to jump in the college sports market. Only college sports that are marketable for a video game are football and basketball. But I don't think college sports video games are profitable(outside of NCAA Football). So I don't see developers jumping into the college sports unless they really want too. 2k dropped out of college football after 2k3 and college basketball after 2k8. 2k could have continued with college football after 2k5 if they really wanted too. But I could see them jumping back to college basketball
    ehh
    Man, this would be fantastic. I'm not even a fan of college football but I loved this series. Hell, this game turned me into a quasi-college football fan 20+ years ago. Once it went away, I almost completely stopped following the sport.
    To me, this is the best sports video game series ever. It was so much fun and the replay value and enjoyment of dynasty mode was unmatched.
    This would also allow me to go back to my old habits of buying Madden once every few years. One hell of a bonus!

    I agree. This series got me into college football in my teen years. But since the series ended, I haven't been in the mood to watch college football regularly like I used too.
    I always preferred NCAA to Madden. Madden was the moneymaker but NCAA was the better product to me. NCAA devs had the freedom to follow their own path. A lot of people are still want Madden to add the Coach Carousel feature that NCAA implemented 6 years. Game wasn't perfect, but it captured the college atmosphere. It was a lot rewarding starting out as at a 1 Star school as a coordinator and working your way up to a HC of a 5 star school or as a HC and building a 1 star school into a 5 star school. While in Madden, you could take a team 17' Browns and be a Super Bowl team by year 2 or 3.
    I wouldn't put my pre-order in just yet. I think this is a giant leap to a favorable conclusion from the community based on a move by the NCAA that is not necessarily done in good faith. 
    jerwoods
    let say in 2 years the green light gets given i couild see schools like Norte Dame Mich NW Stanford Baylor not give there license up

    I don’t think that would be an issue. Only would be if EA doesn’t get the NCAA license. Then EA would have to individually license every school like it would have to right now. But with the NCAA they wouldn’t have too.
    BA2929
    Not sure why EA would spend all that money when they could just randomize rosters and give the community edit abilities.* Something they foolishly didn't do last time by stealing likenesses, which is why the NCAA franchise doesn't exist right now.

    Unless they had generic schools in generic conferences in make believe locations that probably would still be a problem with conferences not agreeing to give EA licensing approval. I could see the editing ability being a legal problem. A slick lawyer could claim EA provided the ability to edit a player and steal a likeness.
    EA is still hurting from the O'Bannon money they had to pay. The lawyers won't approve this until it is a lock tight lawsuit proof deal. Then the question is how much EA has to pay each athlete for likeness.
    Cam Fan
    Interesting article from SI.com

    My guess is the NCAA will change the current system to make paying players legal because the FBI is currently "disrupting" the current system of paying players. I do believe the NCAA will approve this.
    Still doesn't guarantee a new EA sports NCAA football game unless and until details are worked out but it is a step in the right direction. It would be helpful if the NCAA ruling also laid out a structure for how to facilitate the payments with schools and athletes signing some legal document and also an amount to be paid.
    tessl
    My guess is the NCAA will change the current system to make paying players legal because the FBI is currently "disrupting" the current system of paying players. I do believe the NCAA will approve this.
    Still doesn't guarantee a new EA sports NCAA football game unless and until details are worked out but it is a step in the right direction. It would be helpful if the NCAA ruling also laid out a structure for how to facilitate the payments with schools and athletes signing some legal document and also an amount to be paid.

    Thats why I think NCAA will find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them not to doing anything. When you see lawmakers trying to pass a bill about the issue, there was no avoiding it. So for NCAA to start talking about it and having until October(5 months) make a decision is encouraging.
    But I agree it doesn't guarantee a new game. There is still a big process for them to go through before they could even get the green light
    illwill10
    Thats why I think NCAA will find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them not to doing anything. When you see lawmakers trying to pass a bill about the issue, there was no avoiding it. So for NCAA to start talking about it and having until October(5 months) make a decision is encouraging.
    But I agree it doesn't guarantee a new game. There is still a big process for them to go through before they could even get the green light

    Ideally the NCAA would work with the game industry to provide a structure for the payments when they decide it will be allowed. Something where the conferences sign on and schools and athletes sign also. If that happens and the price is reasonable then I see a new game. Each game company having to negotiate a deal on their own would be chaos.
    Unfortunately I don't have much faith in the NCAA but maybe they will surprise me.
    testorz

    I don't see College Basketball coming back anytime. Especially from EA. Until they can get Live to a solid level, I don't want them attempting a college basketball game.
    I think EA or 2k is the only legitimate options. I don't feel College sports are marketable enough for other gaming companys to have create and develop on a engine from scratch. Whereas EA and 2k could use revenue from their flagships to develop games and don't have to build games from scratch
    tessl
    Ideally the NCAA would work with the game industry to provide a structure for the payments when they decide it will be allowed. Something where the conferences sign on and schools and athletes sign also. If that happens and the price is reasonable then I see a new game. Each game company having to negotiate a deal on their own would be chaos.
    Unfortunately I don't have much faith in the NCAA but maybe they will surprise me.

    Thats only how I see think it will work. I'm sure NCAA will want to have more control this time around to avoid issues. They would have to find a way to get player likeness in a resourceful way. You pretty much have to get a good chunk(75-80%) of players to sign away their likeness or go generic. EA would have to get NCAAs help with that. I know EA use to go to as many schools as possible to get likenesses of stadium and atmosphere, but it will be way too challenging to go to every individual school and get the likeness of every player.
    EA wants to make a new game, but it is all up to the NCAA to get on board. NCAA is going to be the deciding factor if we are getting a new game
    illwill10
    Thats only how I see think it will work. I'm sure NCAA will want to have more control this time around to avoid issues. They would have to find a way to get player likeness in a resourceful way. You pretty much have to get a good chunk(75-80%) of players to sign away their likeness or go generic. EA would have to get NCAAs help with that. I know EA use to go to as many schools as possible to get likenesses of stadium and atmosphere, but it will be way too challenging to go to every individual school and get the likeness of every player.
    EA wants to make a new game, but it is all up to the NCAA to get on board. NCAA is going to be the deciding factor if we are getting a new game
    I agree with this. I think this step is about legally corralling the likeness issues. Now whether players are compensated with money or scholarships or however they do it, this is the first step. In a perfect world the NCAA would adopt the Olympic Model and be done with it. I imagine there will be a way for student athletes to opt out if they choose to. It might just be me, but the language around the parameters, particularly the part about connecting it to education, is confusing to me. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the proposals later this year.
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    Junior Moe
    I agree with this. I think this step is about legally corralling the likeness issues. Now whether players are compensated with money or scholarships or however they do it, this is the first step. In a perfect world the NCAA would adopt the Olympic Model and be done with it. I imagine there will be a way for student athletes to opt out if they choose to. It might just be me, but the language around the parameters, particularly the part about connecting it to education, is confusing to me. I'm looking forward to hearing more about the proposals later this year.
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    I have optimism that something comes from this. Not necessarily a new game, but as far player likeness. This is not where in the past few years we hear about a trial/court situation that could lead to change. This the NCAA talking about this is putting a group together to find a way. There is too much outside pressure for them to keep avoiding. The whole "tethering to education" is confusing. I get the whole no "pay to play", but impossible to abolish that. So imploying the Olympic model would help.
    But they would really need to find a way to compensate players. Its not like NFL where they can pay the players union. It will be too expensive and too many resources needed to pay every player. They don't need to be scanned or even pictures needed for rosters. I would be content with just names.
    Here is a an interesting more detailed read than the ESPN article.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/03/08/judge-lifts-ncaa-limits-athletes-compensation-related-education/2887122002/
    This part here is really interesting and I think sums up where we are:
    "At the same time, however, her 104-page ruling prevents athletes from receiving unlimited benefits, as the plaintiffs had hoped.
    The NCAA "may continue ... to limit compensation and benefits that are unrelated to education," Wilken ruled.
    She also said that the association may adopt a definition of compensation and benefits that are “related to education.
    The NCAA Division I Manual shows the current limits on the value of these kinds of awards, but added together, they could provide athletes the opportunity to receive several thousand dollars worth of academically related awards.
    Wilken wrote that the changes to the NCAA's current system will take effect in 90 days, but will be stayed if either side appeals."
    After reading the USA Today article, I actually like some of the education benefits like grad school and money in scholarships. They could get the extra scholarship money back in refunds, right? It's disproportionate compensation for collegiate rock stars like Tebow, Zion or Kyler Murray, but for the other 98% of student athletes in the revenue generating sports, it's not bad.
    Bringing this back to videogames. I'm hoping that in essence, this essentially means that the schools and NCAA could use the players images and likeness in stuff like games and jerseys. In exchange, the players get these extra benefits. I don't think it's enough, but it is better IMO. It's a ways off and who knows how it will ultimately play out but like I said before, I can see the parameters of how we could see NCAA games again. Fingers crossed!
    Junior Moe
    After reading the USA Today article, I actually like some of the education benefits like grad school and money in scholarships. They could get the extra scholarship money back in refunds, right? It's disproportionate compensation for collegiate rock stars like Tebow, Zion or Kyler Murray, but for the other 98% of student athletes in the revenue generating sports, it's not bad.
    Bringing this back to videogames. I'm hoping that in essence, this essentially means that the schools and NCAA could use the players images and likeness in stuff like games and jerseys. In exchange, the players get these extra benefits. I don't think it's enough, but it is better IMO. It's a ways off and who knows how it will ultimately play out but like I said before, I can see the parameters of how we could see NCAA games again. Fingers crossed!

    I like that idea. But how often do we really get those collegiate rock stars. I'm talking about truly transcendent marketability players while in college. I'm not talking well regarded good players or players like Lonzo. Before Zion, last truly marketable pre NBA player since the 2012 draft with Anthony Davis(but you can count Ben Simmons since he was talked about pre-college). As for football, there were more often then CBB, but it isn't drastic. There are probably 1-3 players each draft. Outside of Kyler Murray, last transcendent college football player was Manziel. So, I don't see an issue with players commanding major money. Most Heisman and Wooden Award winners aren't that marketable there mostly just the best players on the best teams. I don't see there being an issue where a booster or endorser promises endorsements to a recruit because there are rarely recruits who are that marketable before college.
    If it pans out, I can really see it benefitting all sides. EA could possibily put the most current marketable players on the cover the current year. Casual fans would love to play with the Sophomore Heisman winner in the next game. It brings more publicity to the NCAA. Having real players and coaches would help sell the game more in which brings more attention to the NCAA. NCAA Football helped get me into College Football so I know it would bring in others. I fell off CFB after NCAA Football ended. It would help the players because it gives them publicity. Most of them always wanted to be in a video game but most won't make it to Pros. So this could be only chance.
    Having real players is honestly at the bottom of my wishlist for a college football game. Honestly, after two years, most of the rosters in a dynasty are made up of random CPU generated recruits anyways. My worry is that they'll greenlight something with real players as the selling point, and then focus on that and online play, while letting Dynasty mode rot.
    I would gladly pay good money for Generic College Football 2020. Fake schools, generic uniforms, fake players that are randomly generated for each dynasty (so they're totally different than reality). Let the gamer customize as much as they want from the ground up, or not at all, and make the focus on being able to control everything that happens at your school, and what your own version of the college football universe should be. That's what I want.
    Unlucky 13
    Having real players is honestly at the bottom of my wishlist for a college football game. Honestly, after two years, most of the rosters in a dynasty are made up of random CPU generated recruits anyways. My worry is that they'll greenlight something with real players as the selling point, and then focus on that and online play, while letting Dynasty mode rot.
    I would gladly pay good money for Generic College Football 2020. Fake schools, generic uniforms, fake players that are randomly generated for each dynasty (so they're totally different than reality). Let the gamer customize as much as they want from the ground up, or not at all, and make the focus on being able to control everything that happens at your school, and what your own version of the college football universe should be. That's what I want.

    Me either. I could care less about player likeness. I am not a big CFB fan like I use to be. So honestly, I only know hand full of player names. If they continue with Coach Carousel, I'll start with a 1 star school and won't be focused on current players anyway.
    I just want them to build off of NCAA 14. I don't want them to try to follow the current sports trends and going towards the whole monetization route. Build off of Dynasty, Road to Glory, Mini Games. Wonder if they would go back to Teambuilder. They could really expand on the customization
    We will accept almost anything collegiate. Though even I draw the line at fake schools. I'm fine with fictional players, but I need the schools and stadiums. That is college football to me.
    I think getting the real players would change little in the games. I dont see them mo capping Trevor Lawrence or Tua. They're just now getting authentic passing motions in Madden and they pay a ton for that license. I think it would be a lot like now with the exception the commentary could reference real events and players.
    I could see ultimate team still utilizing the NFLPA more so as the players are more known. I do believe that Road To Glory would be the big money maker.
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    Junior Moe
    We will accept almost anything collegiate. Though even I draw the line at fake schools. I'm fine with fictional players, but I need the schools and stadiums. That is college football to me.
    I think getting the real players would change little in the games. I dont see them mo capping Trevor Lawrence or Tua. They're just now getting authentic passing motions in Madden and they pay a ton for that license. I think it would be a lot like now with the exception the commentary could reference real events and players.
    I could see ultimate team still utilizing the NFLPA more so as the players are more known. I do believe that Road To Glory would be the big money maker.
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    I agree. I wouldn't want fake schools. That is the line in the sand. I don't think it will have a big impact as you said. Even Commentary, I don't really see them having a lot of commentary on current players just a hand full of players. I see more about team history.
    I can see them having historic teams. I can see them having past players for Ultimate team. Especially players from the past 6 years. I don't play UT, but. I see the pull in playing as Ohio State Zeke or Saquan or Kyler. I can see them expanding with Dynasty with CFB Playoff and improving Coach Carousel.
    I can definitely see Road To Glory as a big moneymaker. I still take RTG over most(if not all) career modes. High School thru College. No cheesy story, but it follows your career, good progression, and good presentation. Only downside was locked into 5 min Quarters. But I can definitely see them putting a lot of resources into it. Especially if they can allow you to import your player to Face of Franchise.
    One thing I believe people aren't thinking about is the problem a new NCAA game would entail, which is it would inherit modern Madden's janky, ugly gameplay. To this day, NCAA 14's gameplay engine blows current Madden's out of the water, imo.
    Read the last page of this thread (40 ppp) for some insight on this deal. This is the dev of Maximum football and he's spoken to reps from the NCAA regarding the recent news:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/doug-fluties-maximum-football/944015-doug-fluties-maximum-football-2019-development-thread-4.html#post2049786028
    Doesn't sound promising.
    (Please don't clog up that thread with conversation, keep it in this thread but wanted to share his perspective and conversation for reference)
    kehlis
    Read the last page of this thread (40 ppp) for some insight on this deal. This is the dev of Maximum football and he's spoken to reps from the NCAA regarding the recent news:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/doug-fluties-maximum-football/944015-doug-fluties-maximum-football-2019-development-thread-4.html#post2049786028
    Doesn't sound promising.
    (Please don't clog up that thread with conversation, keep it in this thread but wanted to share his perspective and conversation for reference)

    He doe provide useful information. I liked his honest insight.
    Not sure if NCAA would allow players to be in video games even if they find a way to resolve the NIL issues. Even if they do allow it, EA would have to get the license and hope that NCAA & conferences/teams are willing to take that litigation risk. That'll be the thing that determines if we ever see licensed game. If we're lucky just only be no roster sharing. Because we ever do see a new game, NCAA will most likely have a larger say of what can and can't be in the new game
    So yes, it is a uphill battle even if they 'resolve' the NIL issue. But all we can do is be hopeful

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