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The Golf Club 2019 Adds PGA Tour Licensing This Summer

The Golf Club 2019

The Golf Club 2019 Adds PGA Tour Licensing This Summer

Some huge news from HB Studios as The Golf Club 2019 is adding the PGA Tour to the game’s career mode this summer. The career mode will feature six TPC courses: Summerlin, Scottsdale, Sawgrass, Southwind, Deere Run and Boston.

The Golf Channel mentions the deal between HB and the Tour is a multi-year agreement aimed at building and expanding the franchise over potentially multiple editions.

Below is the official PR:

PONTE VEDRA BEACH, FLORIDA and NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA – The PGA TOUR returns to the video game space in an exciting new way this summer when a comprehensive PGA TOUR Career Mode is integrated into the award-winning “The Golf Club” franchise for Sony PlayStation 4, Microsoft Xbox One and PC platforms.

Through a licensing agreement with Canadian developer HB Studios, the career mode in “The Golf Club 2019” takes a player on an authentic journey through Q-School, the Web.com Tour and a 32-tournament PGA TOUR season, including the FedExCup Playoffs, to become the FedExCup Champion. As players progress and complete challenges, they will attract sponsors who will offer rewards for continued success.

Launching in August, “The Golf Club 2019” will feature six precise replicas of renowned TPC courses: Summerlin, Scottsdale, Sawgrass, Southwind, Deere Run and Boston. The PGA TOUR and HB Studios will continue to support the golf videogame community into the future by adding authentic tournament courses and ensuring the best possible play experience for fans of the sport.

“We are so excited for the launch of The Golf Club 2019 featuring the PGA TOUR that highlights some of our best tournaments,” said Len Brown, PGA TOUR Chief Legal Officer and Executive Vice President of Licensing. “This will allow our fans to take the same path to the PGA TOUR by earning their card through the Web.com Tour.  Additionally, this will give gamers the opportunity to play under the same tournament conditions that our players face week in and week out.  We are thrilled with this partnership.”

CAA Sports Licensing, on behalf of the PGA TOUR, helped broker the relationship with HB Studios.

HB Studios launched the original The Golf Club in 2014 followed by a highly rated sequel in June 2017. HB Studios is Atlantic Canada’s largest independent video game developer, established in 2000. HB Studios has an 18-year heritage of working on the industry’s leading sports games and franchises.

“We are absolutely ecstatic and proud to be an official licensee of the PGA TOUR, one of the most prestigious sports organizations in the world,” said Alan Bunker, CEO of HB Studios. “This further validates that HB Studios has the number one golf video game on console and PC platforms. With the inclusion of PGA TOUR content and the support of this fantastic organization, it will elevate our game even higher and provide our users with an even more authentic video game golfing experience.”

PGA TOUR Career Mode
Users will begin their career in the Web.com Tour qualifying tournament, the start of a journey to become a PGA TOUR member. Finishing in the top 75 in this event qualifies for entry into the Web.com Tour. In a streamlined season, users will have multiple ways of advancing to the PGA TOUR to begin their professional career. Finishing in first place in three of the six events will automatically earn a PGA TOUR card for early promotion. Finishing in the top 25 on the money list after the six events will also earn early promotion to the PGA TOUR. Once on the PGA TOUR, users will join the PGA TOUR and compete for the FedExCup over 32 events. Throughout each PGA TOUR season, not only will they compete for the top spot on the leaderboards, they will be working to achieve sponsorship goals for in-game rewards and competing against rivals.

Rivalries
Once on the PGA TOUR, a player’s skills are noticed, leading to a rivalry with another player on TOUR. Over the following events they will compete head-to-head to prove who is the better player, not only on the leaderboard but also statistically. Players will compete for points in Number of Strokes, Front 9 Score, Back 9 Score, Birdies or Better, No Bogey Round, Best Hole and Worst Hole. The first player who reaches 20 points overall wins the rivalry and the bragging rights before moving on to the next challenge.

Sponsor Goals
On the road to the FedExCup Playoffs, a player will attract the attention of various sponsors, who will offer an opportunity to represent their brand while completing challenges throughout each season. The better the performance, the more attention a player will draw from sponsors. A player will have to manage partnerships and challenges for rewards. Each sponsor comes with three levels where a player will have to complete 1-3 challenges to receive a reward.

Licensed Courses
Throughout the PGA TOUR Career Mode, players will experience some of the most well-crafted user generated courses, as well as the authentic PGA TOUR tournament courses: TPC Summerlin (home of the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open), TPC Scottsdale Stadium Course (Waste Management Phoenix Open), TPC Sawgrass’ THE PLAYERS Stadium Course (THE PLAYERS Championship), TPC Southwind (FedEx St. Jude Classic and future home of the WGC-FedEx St. Jude Championship), TPC Deere Run (John Deere Classic), and TPC Boston (Dell Technologies Championship).

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  1. Have we seen any shots/videos of their official courses?
    I'm curious how they'll look, especially in comparison to Rory/Frostbite versions (like on Sawgrass)
    This is amazing news to hear.  Happy to see HB jump into the space EA vacated and with their course tools, the potential for this game is huge!!!  Defiantly picking this game up this summer, just to support the guys and the progress they have made.
    N51_rob
    This is amazing news to hear.* Happy to see HB jump into the space EA vacated and with their course tools, the potential for this game is huge!!!* Defiantly picking this game up this summer, just to support the guys and the progress they have made.

    Me too. Had fingers crossed for a long time now someone would jump into the void left by EA. Can't wait.
    Huge news. The PGA name alone will attract people to the product, which can only be good for a small company like HB that can't get the EA-esque marketing advantages
    Whoa that's weird...I haven't been on OS in months and logged on today to see if there was anything new coming along in the golf gaming world. I had no idea that I'd see such great news for The Golf Club coming in the near future. Congrats and I look forward to seeing where this takes you.
    Will be interesting to see how they fill the rest of the season other than the six tpc courses. Great to have a full fledged career mode! Hoping if this year does well enough. Will get the majors as well down the road (yes I know Augusta would be a long shot) endless possibilties with the license.
    "HB_Alan 05-21-2018 03:17:29 PM (EDT)
    Thanks everyone, appreciate the support! Definitely a big day for HB."
    Been waiting to get back into a real golf game that plays exceptionally well AND gives me a career with some PGA realism...Day 1 purchase...hell I'd love to Beta test!
    Kudos to you and your team.
    Nice additions. I was pretty disappointed in TGC 2, after loving the first game. Did they ever fix all the glitchiness or is that just something we can expect going forward? Last round I played I was hitting shots at 40% power because the animations were lagging so badly.
    This is great. 
    Haven't bought a golf game since Tiger Woods 12 and have wanted to hop back in to the video game golf world, so I'll probably j ump on this pretty close to release day. 
    I'm glad someone was able to take advantage of the PGA license with EA's virtual golf demise.
    That said, I was a little disappointed to see a lack of continued support for The Golf Club 2, though I understand why now. I do think a yearly release angle may not be the best tactic if that is indeed the future, but if it does end up being the case, I'll just stick to buying once every three or four years.
    DBMcGee3
    Nice additions. I was pretty disappointed in TGC 2, after loving the first game. Did they ever fix all the glitchiness or is that just something we can expect going forward? Last round I played I was hitting shots at 40% power because the animations were lagging so badly.

    Which version are you playing DB, PS4? I'm not having a problem with glitchiness on the XBox One version, nor the PC version. I do recall having occasional issues with TGC 2 in the early going on the PS4. I went exclusively with the PC version for a while, but then switched over to the XBox One version, once I bought an XBox One X.
    The XBox One version will occasionally seem to hang up just briefly enough to be noticeable at the start of the backswing. When that happens, I just have to remember to stop and restart the backswing. It never hesitates once I've reset it from the initial reluctance to start. This might happen two or three times per round, but at least it never happens during midswing, which I do recall happening with the PS4 version.
    I just picked up a new TCL 6-Series, 4K HDR TV a couple of weeks ago, and it has the lowest input lag in the industry (17.6 ms), and while that made an astonishing difference on the responsiveness of the the thumbstick to my control movements, it doesn't stop these occasional hesitations to start with the XBox One version. I've conditioned myself to be cognizant of the hesitation phenomenon, and it's second nature now.... still, I wish it wasn't necessary to have to worry about it. The PC version is not totally immune from it, as I'll see it maybe about a third as many times as the XBox One version.
    I'm glad you brought this up because it's led me try something with my PS4 and TCL 4K display. I had disconnected my PS4 from the home theater setup I have in my rec-room a few months back. I'd like to try it with the TCL now to see if it's cured the PS4 version of TGC 2's midswing, power robbing glitch. I'll report back from that when I get a chance to try it.
    Pappy Knuckles
    This has certainly grabbed my attention. Next, I want it to get to a point where I have enough PGA courses that I don't need to bother playing the created ones at all.

    I'd be willing to say that three years from now, that will be the case. It might come about as a mixture of DLCs and new game editions, but it certainly sounds like that's what HBS is on track to do.
    This announcement leaves me a little concerned about the future of User Created Courses based on real world venues. As I understand it, getting the licenses to these courses was a real money sink for EA. Will the license holders come after HB to remove these from their servers now? What about the names and likenesses of PGA pros?
    My personal opinion is that their resources/money is better off spent on improving the game engine, servers and animations than on licenses. This PGA license, while opening them up to a much wider audience, also opens them up to more scrutiny from license holders looking to squeeze some ancillary revenue.
    djep - You have a legitimate concern for sure, but I'll point out that the course list is made up of all pretty low profile courses, i.e. no Pebble Beach, etc. Perhaps the cash outlay wasn't too big.
    OnlookerDelay
    Which version are you playing DB, PS4? I'm not having a problem with glitchiness on the XBox One version, nor the PC version. I do recall having occasional issues with TGC 2 in the early going on the PS4. I went exclusively with the PC version for a while, but then switched over to the XBox One version, once I bought an XBox One X.
    The XBox One version will occasionally seem to hang up just briefly enough to be noticeable at the start of the backswing. When that happens, I just have to remember to stop and restart the backswing. It never hesitates once I've reset it from the initial reluctance to start. This might happen two or three times per round, but at least it never happens during midswing, which I do recall happening with the PS4 version.
    I just picked up a new TCL 6-Series, 4K HDR TV a couple of weeks ago, and it has the lowest input lag in the industry (17.6 ms), and while that made an astonishing difference on the responsiveness of the the thumbstick to my control movements, it doesn't stop these occasional hesitations to start with the XBox One version. I've conditioned myself to be cognizant of the hesitation phenomenon, and it's second nature now.... still, I wish it wasn't necessary to have to worry about it. The PC version is not totally immune from it, as I'll see it maybe about a third as many times as the XBox One version.
    I'm glad you brought this up because it's led me try something with my PS4 and TCL 4K display. I had disconnected my PS4 from the home theater setup I have in my rec-room a few months back. I'd like to try it with the TCL now to see if it's cured the PS4 version of TGC 2's midswing, power robbing glitch. I'll report back from that when I get a chance to try it.

    Playing on the PS4 Slim I have only had the swing glitch a few times and just stop and restart. Worse than that is the putting glitch where you end up banging the ball 20-30 feet past the cup. Happens rarely and not much at all anymore really. If you pay close attention you can stop the swing as you said.
    I like seeing the addition of real courses but honestly there are enough excellent designers to keep me playing close to real life fantasy tracts. I can see the day where HB shuts down their servers for the older games leaving us with just the present offering at much higher prices for the consumer.
    I would like to see improvements in the game itself rather than licensed courses and golfers. While the game looks good and plays really well currently there is certainly room for improvement there. I also do not see the need for a yearly update unless they end up going down a road I have no desire to travel.
    Say goodbye to the $29.99 price point. I enjoy the game for what it is but to me on the negative side it opens up a higher price point and micro trans actions for a game that doesn't always perform well on consoles. The swing lag that pops up in every round would not be welcome for a game with a AAA license that costs $60. With that said I hope they find a way to make it work . If the game runs smooth I will have no issue with a higher price for this game.
    djep
    This announcement leaves me a little concerned about the future of User Created Courses based on real world venues. As I understand it, getting the licenses to these courses was a real money sink for EA. Will the license holders come after HB to remove these from their servers now? What about the names and likenesses of PGA pros?
    My personal opinion is that their resources/money is better off spent on improving the game engine, servers and animations than on licenses. This PGA license, while opening them up to a much wider audience, also opens them up to more scrutiny from license holders looking to squeeze some ancillary revenue.

    If this was an issue, it would’ve already been a legal issue before the license was obtained for PGA. They never announced they have additional course licenses that are required. (Which might be why the ones included are all TPC)
    I don’t see any concerns for legal issues honestly.
    Sounds great, but IMO they need to do alot of work on the game itself before this news can get me really excited. For example...
    - better visuals/graphics
    - better presentation
    - better commentary
    - better customization options for player models
    - better customization options for difficulty; not just 3 club sets that restrict your distance and accuracy on their own. Give the player the ability to set their own difficulty experience through options like other games do/have. Not just 3 preset club types. I'm tired of their thought on difficulty settings being here's 3 options that limit your distance and playability based on the settings you choose. Nothing more frustrating than being stuck on the medium set of clubs and your stuck with a max of 270 yards or whatever it is set at.
    - more options to control variables - weather. wind speed. fairway/green speed or softness. I get that the course builder controls this... but why? Give the player the ability to set this prior to the round.
    I've like what TGC has done over the last two games, but more options are necessary to let the player customize the gameplay and difficulty experience IMO. Give the player the set of options to customize those things like EA used to. Drop the club type stuff, let the player set the difficulty based on their preference, rather than forcing them into one of 3 streams where everything is forced upon you.
    brandon27
    Sounds great, but IMO they need to do alot of work on the game itself before this news can get me really excited. For example...
    - better visuals/graphics

    Got a chance with Unity 2018.1, SpeedTree implementation, and likely 4K and/or HDR implementation.
    - better presentation

    I'm hearing new camera angles, better looking and more lifelike movement from the galleries.
    - better commentary

    I recall reading that "John" may be getting a partner in the booth. I thought his Society Tournament commentary had a broadcast tone to it in TGC 2. As good as he did making that transition from TGC 1 to 2, I expect even further improvements and more contextually accurage commentary in TGC 2019.
    - better customization options for player models

    I'm sure we're going to see a huge, step-change improvement in this area, based on what I saw in one of their Dev Talks videos for 2019, and what I've read. Just being able to change the height and weight of the player alone will be huge, but we'll be getting more facial adjustments, and more options with head and facial hair.
    - better customization options for difficulty; not just 3 club sets that restrict your distance and accuracy on their own. Give the player the ability to set their own difficulty experience through options like other games do/have. Not just 3 preset club types. I'm tired of their thought on difficulty settings being here's 3 options that limit your distance and playability based on the settings you choose. Nothing more frustrating than being stuck on the medium set of clubs and your stuck with a max of 270 yards or whatever it is set at.
    - more options to control variables - weather. wind speed. fairway/green speed or softness. I get that the course builder controls this... but why? Give the player the ability to set this prior to the round.

    I agree, the game needs lots of work here. I haven't heard or read any commentary that I can hang my hat on regarding it. I have a feeling we're not going to see a lot of change here though.
    I've like what TGC has done over the last two games, but more options are necessary to let the player customize the gameplay and difficulty experience IMO. Give the player the set of options to customize those things like EA used to. Drop the club type stuff, let the player set the difficulty based on their preference, rather than forcing them into one of 3 streams where everything is forced upon you.

    I'm pretty sure they're going to keep the club type difficulty arrangement. We might have more options as to how to impose our own difficulty using the more intricate tempo swing interface, but it sounds like there will be no way to lock those settings for multiplayer or society tournament play. It would work great in offline career mode though.
    djep
    This announcement leaves me a little concerned about the future of User Created Courses based on real world venues. As I understand it, getting the licenses to these courses was a real money sink for EA. Will the license holders come after HB to remove these from their servers now? What about the names and likenesses of PGA pros?
    My personal opinion is that their resources/money is better off spent on improving the game engine, servers and animations than on licenses. This PGA license, while opening them up to a much wider audience, also opens them up to more scrutiny from license holders looking to squeeze some ancillary revenue.

    I don't forsee an issue with this. If there was to be one, I think some PGA TOUR courses would have come after Perfect Parallel already. They have licensed, premium DLC courses for their Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf game, and you don't see those courses coming after Perfect Parallel for having other user created, faithful renditions of other PGA TOUR stops freely available for download.
    OnlookerDelay
    I don't forsee an issue with this. If there was to be one, I think some PGA TOUR courses would have come after Perfect Parallel already. They have licensed, premium DLC courses for their Jack Nicklaus Perfect Golf game, and you don't see those courses coming after Perfect Parallel for having other user created, faithful renditions of other PGA TOUR stops freely available for download.

    No disrespect to JNPG, which I have heard some decent things about, but it is not a PGA Tour licensed game. I doubt a course like Augusta National cares much about a niche title like that. With this PGA license HB are playing with the big boys - EA, 2K, SCE. This PGA license is going to draw in a lot more casual fans, which is great for HB, but that extra visibility brings extra scrutiny.
    I don't see Augusta National or Pebble Beach sending out cease and desist orders to HB. More like they would reach out to the PGA and let them know that their officially licensed game features courses that are in their likeness and they would want a cut of that.
    It's all just speculation but I've worked with many different licenses in my line of work and it is always a headache. Licensors hold so much power over every detail of your product. Maybe I'm just projecting my own traumatic experiences here and we have nothing to worry about. I hope so.
    djep
    No disrespect to JNPG, which I have heard some decent things about, but it is not a PGA Tour licensed game. I doubt a course like Augusta National cares much about a niche title like that. With this PGA license HB are playing with the big boys - EA, 2K, SCE. This PGA license is going to draw in a lot more casual fans, which is great for HB, but that extra visibility brings extra scrutiny.
    I don't see Augusta National or Pebble Beach sending out cease and desist orders to HB. More like they would reach out to the PGA and let them know that their officially licensed game features courses that are in their likeness and they would want a cut of that.
    It's all just speculation but I've worked with many different licenses in my line of work and it is always a headache. Licensors hold so much power over every detail of your product. Maybe I'm just projecting my own traumatic experiences here and we have nothing to worry about. I hope so.

    August National is not going to reach out to the PGA TOUR since they are not a part of the PGA TOUR. ANGC is its own entity. Similarly with Pebble. There are very good recreations of both courses on the HBS servers for both TGC1 & 2 and HBS owns those courses as they are on their servers. No one is infringing copyrights and neither course is using official course branding nor assets.
    Where licensing gets sticky is if the courses think that HBS or the actual designer is making money off of said course recreation. No courses can be bought or sold on TGC1 or 2. The designer himself is not profiting from having said course on HBS' server nor users playing said course. HBS is not advertising said courses being on their servers or being played by users. In fact, HBS goes out of their way to NOT promote real course recreations for that very reason.
    I believe at this point in time, there is nothing at all to worry about.
    djep
    It's all just speculation but I've worked with many different licenses in my line of work and it is always a headache. Licensors hold so much power over every detail of your product. Maybe I'm just projecting my own traumatic experiences here and we have nothing to worry about. I hope so.

    Excellent... and nice to have someone with your background on the licensing issue on board. Let me ask you this... HBS has said that they can't be seen as actively promoting the use of user created RCRs that use the real, licensed name of the course, and that's why we never see them in any of their Official Society Tournaments. However, in your valued opinion, could they come under fire for including a PGA TOUR career mode tournament in their forthcoming TGC 2019, at a course called "SHGC Tournament - Beta 2", but the course is a very faithful replica of Shinnecock Hills Golf Club?
    My layman's opinion is that they couldn't, but I'd like to know if you could give a more qualified opinion on it. I suspect that HBS doesn't want to push their luck with this, not so much as they fear any legal retribution from the PGA TOUR, the USGA, or Shinnecock Hills GC, as much as it is they wouldn't want create any ripples with the quality of their relationship with the PGA TOUR.
    Does the PGA announcement mean .... player likenesses
    scoreboard generated players names...can u play as a pga player
    or just your own generated golfer?
    thecrow
    Does the PGA announcement mean .... player likenesses
    scoreboard generated players names...can u play as a pga player
    or just your own generated golfer?

    No player likenesses, the players shown on the scoreboard will be fictitious player names. In the private society career mode, you can go in and edit the player names to PGA TOUR golfer names, but the only thing you've got to go on is a player handicap. You can go in and find the fictitious player with the lowest handicap, and change his name to Dustin Johnson, to reflect the current PGA TOUR lowest score average chart, and so on down the line. The results might yield semi-believable relative results, but the scores will vary in a wider range than the real PGA TOUR, based on what I've seen in my limited experimentation with it in TGC 2.
    I'm not sure you'll be ablt to edit the player names in the 32 event PGA TOUR season that will be an official game feature, but I'll sort of be surprised if you can't. You won't be able to change the courses in the official PGA TOUR season, which is disappointing because there are some very authentic PGA TOUR courses made by users that would fit the bill nicely. I'd love to be able to insert Gerard Calitz's SHGC Tournament - Beta 2 course (a faithful replica of Shinnecock Hills) into the official PGA TOUR season the week of the U.S. Open, but there's no option to do that in the official PGA TOUR season, from what I'm reading. You might be playing an official, fictitious course like "Faxon Park" that week, for example.
    OTOH, I'm fairly certain you'll be able to put whatever course you want into whatever week in your Society career mode, if you wish. I don't know what PGA TOUR bells and whistles might be missing when you do this though... they may have have any PGA TOUR branding in evidence in this mode.
    OnlookerDelay
    You won't be able to change the courses in the official PGA TOUR season, which is disappointing because there are some very authentic PGA TOUR courses made by users that would fit the bill nicely. I'd love to be able to insert Gerard Calitz's SHGC Tournament - Beta 2 course (a faithful replica of Shinnecock Hills) into the official PGA TOUR season the week of the U.S. Open, but there's no option to do that in the official PGA TOUR season, from what I'm reading. You might be playing an official, fictitious course like "Faxon Park" that week, for example.

    ^^This is somewhat disappointing. I didn't know we wouldn't be able to change the courses.
    TheBleedingRed21
    Wait, your saying the TGC 2019 career mode won’t have PGA Tour players? If so, that kind of ruins it imo.

    Yeah, it's a bit of a buzzkill for sure. You can edit the fictitious names to real PGA TOUR player names, but the burden will be upon the user to physically do it, and to do the homework to ensure you're getting the player scoring tendencies to align with the proper player on the PGA TOUR. All you're going to have to go on (if it's like TGC 2) is a scoring handicap.
    IMO, the best you can do is to wind up getting the PGA TOUR players to stack up on the scoring averages, relative to one another, but the average scores they'll shoot will have a wider gap between highest and lowest. It may change a bit in TGC 2019, but we'll have to see.
    You were never going to see the likeness of a PGA TOUR player actually playing the game... they don't have that level of license yet. It would have to come on a player by player basis, from what I understand. I'd like to at least be able to play against the ghost ball of a PGA TOUR player, but EA Sports said that even their license wouldn't all them to do that... that just the ball and the telemetry of the PGA TOUR player would constitute using their 'likeness'.
    kehlis
    ^^This is somewhat disappointing. I didn't know we wouldn't be able to change the courses.

    At this point in time, courses are not changeable in the PGA TOUR season mode. You can change them in your private society career mode though, but I have a feeling it won't feel or look quite the same.
    Well.. all excitement for this game just went out the door. Wish I wouldn’t of read your comments lol.
    Never wanted to play as PGA pros but the fact the scoreboards won’t even contain their names is just crazy.
    I did that work on TGC2 and it wasn’t the same. Especially the way you had to name by handicap and couldn’t change them.
    My fault for assuming it’d be like Tiger Woods career modes.
    Oh well.
    Is this info coming from devs or knowledgeable insiders? If the only thing we are getting is 9 PGA licesnsed courses to use and a PGA Tour season I don't really see the point. I was able to pretty easily recreate all that with TGC2.
    kehlis
    Is this info coming from devs or knowledgeable insiders? If the only thing we are getting is 9 PGA licesnsed courses to use and a PGA Tour season I don't really see the point. I was able to pretty easily recreate all that with TGC2.

    It's coming from the Producer, Shaun West... here's what he stated about this:
    "The courses used in the PGA TOUR Career Mode will use all of the TPC courses while filling out the rest of the events with some of the best courses provided by our community designers. The courses are well balanced for the experience and though fit in well with the theme we maintain through the season. The season schedule is set however you will be able to edit AI player information."
    TheBleedingRed21
    Well.. all excitement for this game just went out the door. Wish I wouldn’t of read your comments lol.
    Never wanted to play as PGA pros but the fact the scoreboards won’t even contain their names is just crazy.
    I did that work on TGC2 and it wasn’t the same. Especially the way you had to name by handicap and couldn’t change them.
    My fault for assuming it’d be like Tiger Woods career modes.
    Oh well.

    It would be slightly better if we could create and share user created rosters. I think we could eventually refine something that would pass, but even when this method is done right, it still feels like I'm playing against a spreadsheet supported bell curve, not individually attributed AI models, amassing a score, hole-by-hole.
    I've never been a career mode player in anything other than PGA Championship Golf 2000, where you could create a fully functioning AI player who could be represented by an animated avatar, and play the rounds with you. They were based on attributes assigned to various player skills, and it was pretty dang solid. Nothing short of that will appeal to me in a career or season mode.
    I'm primarily a Society Tournament player, but now that they'll have a real-time online multiplayer option, with match play and alternate shot, I'll be playing a lot more online multiplayer. This will help me forget my misgivings about the PGA TOUR season mode in TGC 2019 :)
    BTW, I hope you don't kill the messenger who brings bad news ;)
    Maybe we wait for more information in the coming weeks before we judge the PGA TOUR license and career mode....
    It took EA YEARS to get a decent career mode (TW14) with enough courses that made it seem worthwhile (yet not 32 TOUR venues).
    Maybe we keep in mind this is HBS' first foray into major licensing and see how it goes?
    DivotMaker
    Maybe we wait for more information in the coming weeks before we judge the PGA TOUR license and career mode....
    It took EA YEARS to get a decent career mode (TW14) with enough courses that made it seem worthwhile (yet not 32 TOUR venues).
    Maybe we keep in mind this is HBS' first foray into major licensing and see how it goes?

    This isn't the Madden forum man. You know every poster well enough to know that no one here is going to condemn the game because of this.
    I know I will be buying one way or the other, just posting my thoughts on which is all I can do until we have more information, no?
    kehlis
    This isn't the Madden forum man. You know every poster well enough to know that no one here is going to condemn the game because of this.
    I know I will be buying one way or the other, just posting my thoughts on which is all I can do until we have more information, no?

    I don't know anything about the Madden forum.
    Is there anything wrong with tempering expectations until we know more?
    We certainly do not know everything there is to know about the game and the Career mode, do we? There is very little information out there at this time.
    But hey, I'll butt out and stop being a voice of reason if that is your preference.
    DivotMaker
    But hey, I'll butt out and stop being a voice of reason if that is your preference.

    lol. I don't need you to leave the conversation.
    You're certainly not the voice of reason (for me at least). I understand how to temper expectations and will continue to do so.
    If you don't want to read any discussion of this game about the few things we do know right now and instead would wish for us to hold off on talking about ANYTHING until the game is released you may not want to read the forum for a bit.
    kehlis
    lol. I don't need you to leave the conversation.
    You're certainly not the voice of reason (for me at least). I understand how to temper expectations and will continue to do so.
    If you don't want to read any discussion of this game about the few things we do know right now and instead would wish for us to hold off on talking about ANYTHING until the game is released you may not want to read the forum for a bit.

    No need in making this personal.
    I see comments that folks are buying or aren’t buying based on speculation as if we know everything there is to know about certain features and much of the game itself.
    I did not ask for folks not to discuss the game. However, if trying to get folks not to judge the game at this point and wait for more concrete information, then maybe you don’t need me around. Hint taken.
    DivotMaker
    No need in making this personal.
    I see comments that folks are buying or aren’t buying based on speculation as if we know everything there is to know about certain features and much of the game itself.
    I did not ask for folks not to discuss the game. However, if trying to get folks not to judge the game at this point and wait for more concrete information, then maybe you don’t need me around. Hint taken.

    Where has anyone said they aren’t buying?
    Just curious because I haven’t yet seen anyone say that (speaking strictly to OS).
    DivotMaker
    No need in making this personal.
    I see comments that folks are buying or aren’t buying based on speculation as if we know everything there is to know about certain features and much of the game itself.
    I did not ask for folks not to discuss the game. However, if trying to get folks not to judge the game at this point and wait for more concrete information, then maybe you don’t need me around. Hint taken.

    No one ever said they aren’t buying. I said my excitement about them obtaining the license for 2019 Edition went out the door.
    I can say that because it was confirmed. Not having actual golfer names and not being able to CHOOSE your fill in courses just flat out stinks.
    However, you better believe I will support this game regardless because of the success they have achieved and for continued support in a golf game.
    Forgive my ignorance as I haven't jumped into any new golf games as of yet, but have been monitoring discussion from a distance; will this be cross-platform compatible, e.g., PS4 players can play against PC players, etc?
    daflyboys
    Forgive my ignorance as I haven't jumped into any new golf games as of yet, but have been monitoring discussion from a distance; will this be cross-platform compatible, e.g., PS4 players can play against PC players, etc?

    No, that will not be possible with TGC 2019. I thought they might at least be able to facilitate cross-play between the PC and XBox One version, since they're able to share the same network, but that won't be possible either. The three platforms will be able to share courses once again, but that's been the case since the first edition.
    OnlookerDelay
    No, that will not be possible with TGC 2019. I thought they might at least be able to facilitate cross-play between the PC and XBox One version, since they're able to share the same network, but that won't be possible either. The three platforms will be able to share courses once again, but that's been the case since the first edition.

    You can “play” cross platform, just not live.
    Societies and the TGC Tours are cross platform so you will be playing against everybody in those tournaments.
    Step in the right direction but I'm seeing that there will no real player names on the weekly leader boards in career mode? Seems like a very simple thing to implement assuming they have the appropriate rights to do so. Also, we won't be able to load user created courses into career mode? Whack. Those tidbits took it from a day 1 purchase to a 'get it when it's on sale' purchase for me.
    MJDrocks
    Step in the right direction but I'm seeing that there will no real player names on the weekly leader boards in career mode? Seems like a very simple thing to implement assuming they have the appropriate rights to do so. Also, we won't be able to load user created courses into career mode? Whack. Those tidbits took it from a day 1 purchase to a 'get it when it's on sale' purchase for me.

    Who said you couldn’t load user created courses in career mode??
    Yes you can!
    There will be two distinct career modes in 19. The one we already have and the PGA Tour. You won’t be able to just load any course into the PGA Tour, but it will be populated by the very best USER CREATED courses to fill out mode.
    In regular career mode you can input them yourself.
    lions67
    Who said you couldn’t load user created courses in career mode??
    Yes you can!
    There will be two distinct career modes in 19. The one we already have and the PGA Tour. You won’t be able to just load any course into the PGA Tour, but it will be populated by the very best USER CREATED courses to fill out mode.
    In regular career mode you can input them yourself.

    I'm sorry, maybe I misinterpreted what I was reading. For the offline, official PGA Tour Career you'll be able to load any user-created course in place of an existing course? Or are they are filling the schedule out with user-created courses themselves?
    MJDrocks
    I'm sorry, maybe I misinterpreted what I was reading. For the offline, official PGA Tour Career you'll be able to load any user-created course in place of an existing course? Or are they are filling the schedule out with user-created courses themselves?

    If you are offline, you won’t be able to access ANY user created courses. Just the official courses. And I’m pretty certain you will need online for this game.
    lions67
    If you are offline, you won’t be able to access ANY user created courses. Just the official courses. And I’m pretty certain you will need online for this game.

    Oh, no I can go online I just want to play in a solo career and not with other people.
    MJDrocks
    I'm sorry, maybe I misinterpreted what I was reading. For the offline, official PGA Tour Career you'll be able to load any user-created course in place of an existing course? Or are they are filling the schedule out with user-created courses themselves?

    No, from what we've been told you can't load any course you want into the PGA tour season. From the sounds of it they will be pre-selected for us.
    kehlis
    No, from what we've been told you can't load any course you want into the PGA tour season. From the sounds of it they will be pre-selected for us.

    Ah, okay gotcha. Assuming they fill out the schedule with detailed, realistic courses I'll check it out on Day 1. Been looking for a comprehensive career on next gen and this sounds the most promising to date.
    MJDrocks
    Oh, no I can go online I just want to play in a solo career and not with other people.

    Absolutely correct
    I really liked the TW career mode but sadly the MP mode was characterised by foul mouthed red necks shouting abuse continually when I played on the 360.
    No way I want to listen to that nonsense again or share my game time with such low life's
    This is the nam reason I never play online games.
    terrycurran62
    Absolutely correct
    I really liked the TW career mode but sadly the MP mode was characterised by foul mouthed red necks shouting abuse continually when I played on the 360.
    No way I want to listen to that nonsense again or share my game time with such low life's
    This is the nam reason I never play online games.

    You'll be able to create private online multiplayer matches in TGC 2019, and invite friends. It think it will work out well based on what I saw in the ApexHound You Tube multiplayer video, playing with the Executive Producer of the game.
    terrycurran62
    Absolutely correct
    I really liked the TW career mode but sadly the MP mode was characterised by foul mouthed red necks shouting abuse continually when I played on the 360.
    No way I want to listen to that nonsense again or share my game time with such low life's
    This is the nam reason I never play online games.

    That has not been my experience in playing TGC2 online. Everyone I have met and played alongside with have been mature and polite. They even help you in getting better at the game.
    It certainly isn’t the NHL online community, I can tell you that.
    lions67
    That has not been my experience in playing TGC2 online. Everyone I have met and played alongside with have been mature and polite. They even help you in getting better at the game.
    It certainly isn’t the NHL online community, I can tell you that.

    I only played a couple of times and don't recall anyone being bad either
    OnlookerDelay
    They won't narrow it down further than some Tuesday in August.

    Getting pretty sceptical about an August release truth be told.1st Aug next Wed and still no confirmed date in said month..hmm
    What's with all the cloak and dagger...either the game is ready to release or it's not.
    Not sure there is any other developer out there that waits until its so called release date month and hasnt confirmed an actual date...:nocomprende:
    Hope im proved wrong but not looking good imo.
    jr86
    Getting pretty sceptical about an August release truth be told.1st Aug next Wed and still no confirmed date in said month..hmm
    What's with all the cloak and dagger...either the game is ready to release or it's not.
    Not sure there is any other developer out there that waits until its so called release date month and hasnt confirmed an actual date...:nocomprende:
    Hope im proved wrong but not looking good imo.

    Yeah I think you're right. I'm thinking it's going to slip now by a month or two unfortunately.
    ODogg
    Yeah I think you're right. I'm thinking it's going to slip now by a month or two unfortunately.

    I'd say it's going to be in August. I just read on Instagram that they've already submitted the final game to Sony and Microsoft for certification. That can be one or two weeks, based on what I've been able to track.
    OnlookerDelay
    I'd say it's going to be in August. I just read on Instagram that they've already submitted the final game tp Sony and Microsoft for certification. That can be one or two weeks, based on what I've been able to track.

    ok that's encouraging then
    I'm late into the game as it were, TGC2's PGA tour association. It looks like at this point it means one might compete against a PGA tour roster in career mode, and also have a few TPC courses which is nice. But what are the prospects for PGA tour players to be modeled in TGC? That is a very attractive element for me and in part why we continue to enjoy the hell out of RMPGAT, that and a whole bunch of other things. Also, does the quality of lighting, texturing, etc lend itself in TGC to allowing one to read the greens adequately to obviate the need for grid lines, putting line, etc but perhaps just a cursor indicating elevation change? Because we learned how to putt too well in RMPGAT using the putting line we've turned it off and the greens are adequate to read but it's taken our typical score down quite a few notches. We will still have -10 rounds but gone for the moment are the days of trouncing the field in career mode.
    ncp10
    But what are the prospects for PGA tour players to be modeled in TGC?

    From the sound of things, that will be quite a ways off, but it does sound like it's at least on their radar.
    Also, does the quality of lighting, texturing, etc lend itself in TGC to allowing one to read the greens adequately to obviate the need for grid lines, putting line, etc but perhaps just a cursor indicating elevation change?

    There are many I know who play and enjoy playing TGC 2 this way. There are even some Societies set up to play this way. I've tried it and it can be done, but right now I'm just too lazy and usually too pressed for time to take the extra measures required to get the most informed read (using the targeting cursor for elevation information, for example). I do see what those who are invested in it get out of it and I hope that some day I can get over my reservations about playing that way full time.
    jbd345
    Kind of crossing my fingers they just say “hey its out, download now!” Now the 2nd of August and no date yet.

    For whatever reason, the CEO of HB Studios said that if you were betting on a release date, it would be wise to bet on a Tuesday. I don't know why a game with pure digital distribution would have to follow the DVD tradition of a Tuesday, brick & mortar release date, but he was serious when he said it.
    Also, there was a statement made by the CEO earlier this week that read thusly:
    "There is a reason we haven't made any official announcement yet, and it's a good one. Bear with us. We are still planning to launch in August."
    I have no idea what this "reason" for no official announcement yet could be... maybe a "cover" athlete, and new major licensed course (Augusta National?)? Who knows, but it sounds like it could at least put if off until later in the month.
    My guess right now would be August 14th.
    OnlookerDelay
    For whatever reason, the CEO of HB Studios said that if you were betting on a release date, it would be wise to bet on a Tuesday. I don't know why a game with pure digital distribution would have to follow the DVD tradition of a Tuesday, brick & mortar release date, but he was serious when he said it.
    Also, there was a statement made by the CEO earlier this week that read thusly:
    "There is a reason we haven't made any official announcement yet, and it's a good one. Bear with us. We are still planning to launch in August."
    I have no idea what this "reason" for no official announcement yet could be... maybe a "cover" athlete, and new major licensed course (Augusta National?)? Who knows, but it sounds like it could at least put if off until later in the month.
    My guess right now would be August 14th.

    Yeah I don't think they'd want to drop the same week as Madden so that's probably the earliest we are looking at is my guess...
    Just had another thought pop into my head about the mystery announcement made by Alan Bunker (HBS CEO) earlier this week. Maybe it has to do with a licensed version of Bellerive Country Club being released with TGC 2019, and the game being rolled out and put on the market during the 2019 PGA Championship there?
    My money is now on August 7th! ;)
    OnlookerDelay
    Just had another thought pop into my head about the mystery announcement made by Alan Bunker (HBS CEO) earlier this week. Maybe it has to do with a licensed version of Bellerive Country Club being released with TGC 2019, and the game being rolled out and put on the market during the 2019 PGA Championship there?
    My money is now on August 7th! ;)

    You really think they'd release the same day as Madden, the biggest sports game release of the year? If so that'd be pretty dumb I'd think.
    I'd still buy it, wouldn't affect me, but it'd be pulling a Titanfall LOL
    ODogg
    You really think they'd release the same day as Madden, the biggest sports game release of the year? If so that'd be pretty dumb I'd think.
    I'd still buy it, wouldn't affect me, but it'd be pulling a Titanfall LOL

    I don't think HB Studios would miss an opportunity to put the game on the market the same week as the PGA Championship if they had secured the rights to the venue for the PGA Championship and had it ready for prime time the week of. I don't know how much of their potential market would be so preoccupied with Madden that they would lose sales or attention due to a launch the same week.
    OnlookerDelay
    I don't think HB Studios would miss an opportunity to put the game on the market the same week as the PGA Championship if they had secured the rights to the venue for the PGA Championship and had it ready for prime time the week of. I don't know how much of their potential market would be so preoccupied with Madden that they would lose sales or attention due to a launch the same week.

    I agree with you but I think a lot more people think like my wife does and she said "Ain't no one buying two sports games on the same day" LOL...
    I'm eager to buy it, heck I hope it does drop soon, like this week or next, but I just think they will not probably put it out the same time as Madden.
    ODogg
    I agree with you but I think a lot more people think like my wife does and she said "Ain't no one buying two sports games on the same day" LOL...
    I'm eager to buy it, heck I hope it does drop soon, like this week or next, but I just think they will not probably put it out the same time as Madden.

    That could be... and I could be applying my mindset of not buying, playing, or watching a football game until September to the mass market. Not everyone is as calendar season centric as I am.
    OnlookerDelay
    That could be... and I could be applying my mindset of not buying, playing, or watching a football game until September to the mass market. Not everyone is as calendar season centric as I am.

    Yeah, I think we're the weirdos when it comes to this. I have heard before like "Omg this game and that game cannot come out the same week" even when they aren't in the same genre and I think how odd it is that someone would really badly want a game but not buy it EVER because it came out when like a bigger title came out.
    I mean I can understand someone not buying 2 games the same day because its a lot of money but I'm talking about like, never ever ever buying that game simply because it came out the same day as something else.
    I still keep hearing that's why Titanfall 2 failed (or was it 1???) because it came out the same day as Call of Duty or something. But I get that maybe it didn't sell as much on day one because of it but not selling to folks period is mind boggling.
    If you really desire a game then you'll buy it, or one would think...if not day one then how about 2 weeks later when you get paid again or something? Are people really that ADD that if they can't afford to buy it on release day then they just say "oh well, on to the next thing" and never revisit buying said game? LOL!!!
    So like for Golf, the theory is if it comes out when Madden does it won't sell well. Well I would think ok, maybe it doesn't sell well on Aug 7 because of Madden but won't people who want it just buy it like 2 weeks later or something?
    Apparently not because a lot of folks seem to not buy it at all if they don't buy it on day one according to what I read. That is really strange to me but then people are strange overall when it comes to buying habits I guess..
    For me the same day (or close) release issues mainly crop up in that I like to focus on something that's new and really dig into it.
    I am the sort of player that almost doesn't want 2 sports games at once, as I like to really get into the new hot thing exclusively.
    Alot of PC and Xbox users will likely have already been playing Madden as it released to Origin and EA Access earlier this week.
    I don't play Madden anymore, so I would be just fine to see TGC2019 release the same day. I don't think same day release is going to hurt a Golf title as much as it would another AAA title.
    OnlookerDelay
    For whatever reason, the CEO of HB Studios said that if you were betting on a release date, it would be wise to bet on a Tuesday. I don't know why a game with pure digital distribution would have to follow the DVD tradition of a Tuesday, brick & mortar release date, but he was serious when he said it.
    Also, there was a statement made by the CEO earlier this week that read thusly:
    "There is a reason we haven't made any official announcement yet, and it's a good one. Bear with us. We are still planning to launch in August."
    I have no idea what this "reason" for no official announcement yet could be... maybe a "cover" athlete, and new major licensed course (Augusta National?)? Who knows, but it sounds like it could at least put if off until later in the month.
    My guess right now would be August 14th.

    Just odd that no release date was even mentioned. Interesting quote though. I doubt we’ll ever hear what the reason is though.
    ODogg
    You really think they'd release the same day as Madden, the biggest sports game release of the year? If so that'd be pretty dumb I'd think.
    I'd still buy it, wouldn't affect me, but it'd be pulling a Titanfall LOL

    They don't care about when Madden or any other game releases.
    Sales count the same on release day as they do a month after release date.
    It's largely irrelevant when Madden is released.
    kehlis
    They don't care about when Madden or any other game releases.
    Sales count the same on release day as they do a month after release date.
    It's largely irrelevant when Madden is released.

    Isn't at least somewhat helpful that it's not simultaneous though?
    It would seem like a golf game (super small niche) could just get totally dwarfed in media coverage if it's too close (or on same day as) to Madden, no?
    Of course in the long run maybe it wouldn't matter, but it surely can't help to overlap. It's like an indie movie, a great one, releasing the same day as Top Gun 2 (or something like that). You end up just not hearing about it unless you're looking for it, right?
    scagwi
    Isn't at least somewhat helpful that it's not simultaneous though?
    It would seem like a golf game (super small niche) could just get totally dwarfed in media coverage if it's too close (or on same day as) to Madden, no?
    Of course in the long run maybe it wouldn't matter, but it surely can't help to overlap. It's like an indie movie, a great one, releasing the same day as Top Gun 2 (or something like that). You end up just not hearing about it unless you're looking for it, right?

    Yeah that's why it's a bad idea. Now for me and other guys likely here at OS we will buy it regardless but for more casual people it may get lost in the titan that is Madden.
    scagwi
    Isn't at least somewhat helpful that it's not simultaneous though?
    It would seem like a golf game (super small niche) could just get totally dwarfed in media coverage if it's too close (or on same day as) to Madden, no?
    Of course in the long run maybe it wouldn't matter, but it surely can't help to overlap. It's like an indie movie, a great one, releasing the same day as Top Gun 2 (or something like that). You end up just not hearing about it unless you're looking for it, right?

    Isn't it going to be dwarfed one way or the other if it gets released at any point in August?
    I would agree with you if the release was nowhere near many of the upcoming releases but no matter when it gets released this time of the year its always going to be playing second (or third) fiddle to other games.
    kehlis
    Isn't it going to be dwarfed one way or the other if it gets released at any point in August?
    I would agree with you if the release was nowhere near many of the upcoming releases but no matter when it gets released this time of the year its always going to be playing second (or third) fiddle to other games.

    Space it out so some of the poorer folk can get more money in the piggy bank to get it in a week or two is the general line of thought. Release on the same day as a major title and they don't get it and then forget about it later on and then they never get it at all.
    Remember, nowadays people have the attention span of a gnat LOL
    kehlis
    Isn't it going to be dwarfed one way or the other if it gets released at any point in August?
    I would agree with you if the release was nowhere near many of the upcoming releases but no matter when it gets released this time of the year its always going to be playing second (or third) fiddle to other games.

    Perhaps so..
    Which honestly makes me wonder why they chose this month to release.
    Perhaps they got behind where they wanted to be? Seems like last month and that conference they were at might have been ideal if it had been possible..
    So much football ramping up right now and moving forward - real, digital, NFL, Premier League, NCAA..
    oh well
    jbd345
    Pretty sure he’s asking for a link to were he got that information.

    I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he was making a golf joke
    djep
    I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he was making a golf joke

    I wish I was that witty but I was really just wondering about a link (URL) to information about a release date. I guess that post went over my proverbial head, LOL
    ODogg
    I wish I was that witty but I was really just wondering about a link (URL) to information about a release date. I guess that post went over my proverbial head, LOL

    Don't sell yourself short - I'm sure you're quite witty. I just thought RIFRIG's reply was meant to be humorous.
    But now that we've got that out of the way, I too would like to see some confirmation on the release date info HAHA. I'm really looking forward to this one. TGC2 gets more play from me than any other game I own right now.
    RIFRIG
    Pencil in the 28th as a release date & look forward to playing The Albatros course.

    Only two weeks to release,looking forward to playing La foule.
    As they now have licensed courses.
    Does anyone know if the career mode can now be played strictly offline with no internet connection required..?
    jr86
    As they now have licensed courses.
    Does anyone know if the career mode can now be played strictly offline with no internet connection required..?

    Pretty sure it’s still online all of the time
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    vertman
    Pretty sure it’s still online all of the time
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Jesus really.
    They have the licensed courses and user generated ones already allocated to the career part of the game...why would you need an internet connection...:duck:
    jr86
    Jesus really.
    They have the licensed courses and user generated ones already allocated to the career part of the game...why would you need an internet connection...:duck:

    Not sure but I thought I read in another thread that it was always online. Hope I’m wrong.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    terrycurran62
    It prevents piracy.

    yuck
    I hate when developers punish their paying customer base to attempt to address piracy. It just feels wrong and backwards.
    jr86
    What does having an offline career mode have to do with preventing piracy.

    In order to access user generated courses, you have to be online.
    itsmb8
    Looks like the HB forum is closing down until release to avoid any further criticism.

    lol
    That's certainly one way to quell the crowd
    Does anybody think they got bought out or maybe there's a major cooperative agreement and thus a rebrand?
    scagwi
    lol
    That's certainly one way to quell the crowd
    Does anybody think they got bought out or maybe there's a major cooperative agreement and thus a rebrand?

    Who knows? I wouldn't be against a move to the Frostbite engine next iteration TBH. I do get the distinct feeling that all of these user created courses won't be available for too many more years. Since the game is totally server based they could shut down the older games in a NY minute. You wanna play TGC? Pony up for the new game.
    jbd345
    Source of the rumor?

    HB took down the youtube video but the TGCTour forum is talking about it.
    HB forum probably is too... oh wait.
    itsmb8
    HB took down the youtube video but the TGCTour forum is talking about it.
    HB forum probably is too... oh wait.

    The way HB has handled the past month is a monument to ineptitude. On top of that they shut down the board today for maintenance. Kidding right?
    daflyboys
    Isn't this generally a good thing? 2K has handled sports games exceptionally well in general.

    Yes.
    However, they also own the Links IP and have had it for 12 years and have done nothing with it.
    DivotMaker
    Yes.
    However, they also own the Links IP and have had it for 12 years and have done nothing with it.

    What if they combined the two to make one insane golf game for all platforms?
    2k has done a great job with basketball other than the micro transaction thing.
    In time if this game remains on company servers I think you can kiss free user created courses along with an early death to the servers for older games. You don't need updated rosters to play a golf game if you consider there are no real golfers. Why allow you to play a game for free that they have to pay to maintain (servers) when they can virtually make you buy each new release if you want to play user created courses?
    GreenLightning
    No it's up once in a great while it is not but you can go there now.

    Yeah, i realized it was a problem on my end. disregard that post.
    daflyboys
    Isn't this generally a good thing? 2K has handled sports games exceptionally well in general.

    Well, except for baseball, hockey, tennis, and golf. And they lost lost football and put out a non licensed game that didn't sell.
    But other than that, yeah, great for sports.
    JayhawkerStL
    Well, except for baseball, hockey, tennis, and golf. And they lost lost football and put out a non licensed game that didn't sell.
    But other than that, yeah, great for sports.

    All Pro 2k8 was a pretty good playing football game. Just a shame that they limited how many created players you could make. The customization was excellent though. I created a pretty good CFL league!
    Random q.
    Anyone know whenTGC2 was released with all of its online/ server problems, did this affect being able to play the original game..i assume so as i guess it is off the same server but if someone could confirm...
    Reason i ask is i can pick up Tgc2 for like a fiver now and if 2019 is going to have these initial problems im wondering if u can get some smooth rounds in on tgc2 and pick up 2019 later on...
    Cheers.
    jr86
    Random q.
    Anyone know whenTGC2 was released with all of its online/ server problems, did this affect being able to play the original game..i assume so as i guess it is off the same server but if someone could confirm...
    Reason i ask is i can pick up Tgc2 for like a fiver now and if 2019 is going to have these initial problems im wondering if u can get some smooth rounds in on tgc2 and pick up 2019 later on...
    Cheers.

    The Tours are still being played as well as a few really good societies. So yeah, the servers for TGC2 are running fine.
    JayhawkerStL
    Well, except for ...tennis

    Do you mean about how they managed things over time and not having one on next gen now?
    Their Top Spin 4 was/is one of the best Tennis games of all time!
    lions67
    All Pro 2k8 was a pretty good playing football game. Just a shame that they limited how many created players you could make. The customization was excellent though. I created a pretty good CFL league!

    I loved MLB 2K13, too. But calling 2K good for sports franchises ignores how many they have killed off. They had Links. Top Spin is gone. They mismanaged the MLB series into oblivion in a poor response to EA and the NFL killing off NFL2K. I played the crap out of APF2K8, but it was not designed, nor marketed, for long term success.
    While they had some of my favorite sports games, I can’t look at their history as good for the games they published. The fact that the games were better than their sales performance is a ding against 2K, not for it.
    scagwi
    Do you mean about how they managed things over time and not having one on next gen now?
    Their Top Spin 4 was/is one of the best Tennis games of all time!

    Absolutely over time. Top Spin and Links were franchises they acquired. That can’t bode well for TGC’s future.
    kehlis
    Why did this become a developer debate? Can we just move on from that please?

    Who is debating about developers?
    HB is the developer.
    scagwi
    Who is debating about developers?
    HB is the developer.

    I should have phrased it differently but I falsely assumed most would understand what I meant apparently.
    I see no reason or benefit to this discussion becoming a thread about what 2k has or hasn't done.
    This thread is about TGC. What they did in any other sport is irrelevant at this point and we don't even know if they are involved for sure.
    My post was post an ask to get back on topic more than it was anything else.
    kehlis
    I should have phrased it differently but I falsely assumed most would understand what I meant apparently.
    I see no reason or benefit to this discussion becoming a thread about what 2k has or hasn't done.
    This thread is about TGC. What they did in any other sport is irrelevant at this point and we don't even know if they are involved for sure.
    My post was most of an ask to get back on topic than it was anything else.

    The 2k thing is pretty interesting and relevant actually. That video with their logo was on the official HB YouTube channel and it got deleted and thus this whole 2k thing is quite likely.
    People who like/love/are interested in things relating to TGC are rightly curious about what that sort of new relationship might mean for the series. It's quite natural to compare with what 2k has done when managing other brands/games/genres in the past.
    Just because you don't see value in the discussion doesn't make it irrelevant to others.
    We are in a dead weekend here where the HB forum is down and anticipation is high.
    What should we be talking about?
    TGC 2019 gameplay?
    (of which we know almost nothing about either)
    What is ok to talk about according to you? :duck:
    scagwi
    Jeez man, are you having a bad or something? You seem grouchy
    The 2k thing is pretty interesting and relevant actually. That video of their involvement was on the official HB YouTube channel and it got deleted and thus this whole 2k thing is quite likely.
    People who like/love/are interested in things relating to TGC are rightly curious about what that sort of new relationship might mean for the serious.
    Just because you don't see value in the discussion doesn't make it irrelevant to others.
    We are in a dead weekend here where their forum is down and anticipation is high.
    Do you really have to be this level of wet blanket because we aren't talking about, what, TGC 2019 gameplay? (of which we know as little about as almost all of the rest)
    What is ok to talk about according to you? :duck:

    Huh?
    It's like you didn't even read my post.
    All I said is that it's irrelevant what 2k has done with other games in the past.
    I said nothing about what they could do with this one nor did I say anything about you talking about the possibility of them doing something with it.
    If you need any clarification on any of my previous posts, please, let me know. I never once said anything about no talking about it and have no idea how or where you got that from.
    kehlis

    All I said is that it's irrelevant what 2k has done with other games in the past.

    Sorry I misunderstood.
    I don't really agree with you that it's irrelevant what 2k has done with managing other games in the past.
    A company's history of how they behave, what they tend to do, etc has a bearing on what they might continue to do in the future.
    I think it's even more interesting what they're reporting as "good and growing things" on their financials right now.
    (in-app purchases - virtual currency, etc)
    That could have interesting implications for TGC.
    Anyhow..
    You asked that we "get back on topic"..
    With what we've learned in the last few days, the 2k discussion feels pretty (or at least partially) "on topic" actually.
    Also - from the other thread on TGC here.
    The 2k partnership/takeover feels somewhat likely, especially in light of their similar move with NBA Playgrounds 2, which is now NBA 2k Playgrounds 2 (from take-two financials)
    Doing something like that for TGC feels like a natural fit and easy way for them to be back into Golf, an otherwise vacant and wide open market right now.
    scagwi
    Sorry I misunderstood.
    I don't really agree with you that it's irrelevant what 2k has done with other games in the past.

    Keep in mind that I'm asked to keep discussions in order as best I can. This particular thread is about TGC 2019 Featuring the PGA Tour.
    Discussion about 2k, regardless of their potential involvement, is largely irrelevant to that.
    You don't believe a company's history of how they behave, what they tend to do, etc has any bearing on what they might continue to do in the future?

    I very much do.
    Agree to disagree I guess..

    We don't disagree.
    You asked that we "get back on topic"..
    I think the point is we don't all agree with you that the 2k discussion is "off topic" given what we learned in the last few days.

    Please show where I ever said 2k talk was off topic.
    I did say that what they did with other genre's was off topic and that isn't going to change. I've been here a long time and I know how that ends.
    You can disagree with me on that regard and that's okay but it's no different in any other forum.
    My ask is that we keep out what 2k did with tennis, NBA, or the NFL out of this forum.
    We've ended up replying to each other at the same time and I was editing changes, etc, and it's all a mess..
    lol :drink:
    Let's just let it go
    Cheers man
    scagwi
    We're busy replying to each other at the same time and it's all a mess..
    lol :drink:
    Let's just let it go
    Cheers man

    I just think you're overthinking my ask.
    Other games/genres were brought up in a negative light. I want this discussion to be about the potential for the golf game.
    Not what they did right or wrong for their previous attempts at tennis/golf/nfl/mlb and whatever any other sport was brought up.
    It's very fair to talk about their track record but this could quickly turn into a debate about how they handled tennis.
    I'm pretty sure you and I are actually on the same page, I just think I wasn't being clear with my intentions.
    JayhawkerStL
    I loved MLB 2K13, too. But calling 2K good for sports franchises ignores how many they have killed off. They had Links. Top Spin is gone. They mismanaged the MLB series into oblivion in a poor response to EA and the NFL killing off NFL2K. I played the crap out of APF2K8, but it was not designed, nor marketed, for long term success.
    While they had some of my favorite sports games, I can’t look at their history as good for the games they published. The fact that the games were better than their sales performance is a ding against 2K, not for it.

    EA had way more money to pay for the NFL license at the time. That's a little unfair to give grief to 2K over that, they didn't exactly "kill of NFL2K" voluntarily.
    Full text of announcement:
    New York, NY – August 27, 2018 – 2K today announced that the Company is partnering with HB Studios to publish The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR®, the latest entry in the award-winning golf simulation series. Developed by HB Studios, The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR marks the franchise’s first release featuring the official PGA TOUR license and presents an opportunity, through the new partnership, to deliver the most comprehensive and engaging virtual golf experience to date for the series. The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR is available beginning today for digital download on the PlayStation®4 computer entertainment system and the Xbox One family of devices including the Xbox One X and Windows PC. In addition, physical versions of the game will be available at participating retailers this fall.
    “HB Studios has an established and impressive track record in sports simulation game development, and from its early plans for The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR, we saw significant potential in both the game and future of the franchise,” said Greg Thomas, President at Visual Concepts. “With a solid foundation and talented team in place, we’re eager to leverage our collective strengths and make a notable impact for golf and simulation sports enthusiasts everywhere.”
    “I’m immensely proud of all the hard work and passion that our team has put into making this game. It’s truly been a labor of love, and I think that’s reflected in the product,” added Alan Bunker, CEO of HB Studios. “We couldn’t be happier to align with 2K and the PGA TOUR to share our passion for golf and sports simulation gameplay with franchise enthusiasts and newcomers worldwide.”
    “We are thrilled to have partnered with HB Studios and 2K to create and distribute the first-ever tournament play mode within a console game, featuring some of the most recognized PGA TOUR events including THE PLAYERS Championship,” said Len Brown, Chief Legal Officer and Executive Vice President Licensing for PGA TOUR. “The career mode will allow our fans to rise through the ranks and earn their way onto the PGA TOUR, where they will compete on authentic TOUR courses.”
    CAA Sports Licensing, on behalf of PGA TOUR, helped broker the relationship with HB Studios.
    About The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR
    The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR sets a new franchise benchmark for authenticity and realism, including:
    Improved ball physics, swing mechanics, swing feedback and other core gameplay mechanics; Unparalleled visual fidelity powered by award-winning and industry-leading SpeedTree® technology often used in top blockbuster games and films; Overhauled user interface delivering a fresh look and feel. In addition, for the first time in franchise history, players will experience an officially licensed PGA TOUR Career Mode:
    Players will embark on an authentic journey through Q-School and the Web.com Tour, earning the right to play in a 32-tournament PGA TOUR season; Season play includes beautifully precise replicas of PGA TOUR courses that are accurate down to one-meter of resolution of the real-life courses; Players will forge rivalries and land sponsorships en route to competing in the FedExCup Playoffs, with the ultimate goal of becoming a FedExCup Champion. Finally, The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR will now include a robust online multiplayer system for matchmaking and private matches:
    Players will compete on featured courses through matchmaking or chose from any available course for private matches; Go head to head to play as a team with friends in any one of six game formats, including the new additions of Skins and Alt-Shot. The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR is rated E for Everyone by the ESRB and is available beginning today for digital download on PS4™ system, Xbox One and Windows PC. In addition, physical versions of the game will be available at participating retailers this fall. For more information regarding The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR, visitthegolfclub2019.com, become a fan on Facebook, follow the game on Twitter or Instagram using the hashtag #TCG2019 or subscribe on YouTube.
    Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but does anyone know if the tour mode will be co op (multiplayer) capable? Or only single player function?
    I could see this getting stale very quickly if only single player.
    Thanks!
    It was $90 on the New Zealand Sony store page… Which translates to around US$60 but there probably are some fees or taxes there because I can’t imagine they would launch this at $60 in the US
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