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PGA TOUR 2K21 Arrives on August 21, Cover Athlete is Justin Thomas - Trailer, Screenshots & Some Details

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PGA TOUR 2K21 Arrives on August 21, Cover Athlete is Justin Thomas - Trailer, Screenshots & Some Details

After teasing PGA TOUR 2K21 last week, 2K has announced their officially licensed golf simulation video game is scheduled to release on August 21 for the PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PC (via Steam), Nintendo Switch and Google Stadia. The game will be developed by HB Studios, the same studio behind The Golf Club 2019 Featuring PGA TOUR.

Justin Thomas, the 2017 FedExCup Champion, PGA Championship winner and former World #1 on the Official World Golf Rankings, has been named the cover athlete.

PGA TOUR 2K21 will include 15 licensed PGA TOUR courses, each of which were scanned using cutting-edge technology to bring the fairways, greens, bunkers, trees, lakes and ponds to life. Players can also trick out their own greens and fairways with thousands of custom options in the Course Designer.

“Being chosen to be the first-ever cover athlete for the premiere PGA TOUR 2K game is a tremendous honor. “I’m excited to join the 2K family and challenge players everywhere on the digital links”, said Justin Thomas.

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Thomas will be joined by 11 additional PGA TOUR pros, each of whom will present a challenge to players in PGA TOUR Career Mode, as they compete to become a FedEx Cup Champion. Players can also create and personalize their MyPLAYERs with equipment and apparel from licensed brands, including adidas, Polo, Ralph Lauren, Malbon Golf, Callaway Golf, Bridgestone Golf, TaylorMade Golf and more.

Capping off the simulation experience, PGA TOUR 2K21 will feature a broadcast-style presentation with state-of-the-art graphics, dynamic cutscenes and a seamless replay system, all anchored by the play-by-play commentary of renowned broadcaster Luke Elvy and analyst Rich Beem.

“As a global leader in the sports simulation genre, 2K is the perfect partner to kick off the new PGA TOUR 2K video game series and introduce the PGA TOUR experience to new players of all ages. We’re thrilled to see what the future of the franchise has in store, starting with PGA TOUR 2K21″, said Len Brown, PGA TOUR Chief Legal Officer and Executive Vice President, Licensing.

“Golf is hotter than ever with celebrities, athletes and musicians playing the game and sharing their experiences on social media every day. Our goal is to create the most authentic golf simulation experience ever, and HB Studios brings that authenticity in PGA TOUR 2K21, which is a true 2K game in every sense, incorporating realism, depth and fun that appeals to golf aficionados and casual fans alike”, said Chris Snyder, Vice President of Marketing for 2K.

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PGA TOUR 2K21 is designed for players of all skill levels. Rookies can take advantage of real-time tutorials, tips and shot suggestions, while veterans can master their games with Pro Vision, Distance Control, Putt Preview and other innovations.

Social gaming is at the core of the experience, as players can hit the links with friends in local and online matches, including Alt-Shot, Stroke Play, Skins and 4-Player Scramble. In addition, Online Societies will encourage players to invite their squad to hit the clubhouse and run full seasons and tournaments with unique entry rules and requirements ,as well as handicap and event settings.

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  1. Putting the PGA license to good use... upgrade in courses from 6 to 15... yes!
    11 tour pros... excellent.
    Hoping Nike Gear is included but didn’t see it in the trailer.
    Excited for this.
    And it only says you play against the pros...no mention of actually playing as them in any way, shape, or form.
    The preorder listings for this game say it'll cost $60. In a stacked release window with what seems to be minimal gameplay enhancements and very little detail about the career mode, this is a tough sell. No mention of majors being included, new real courses look like additional TPC tracks (Twin Cities, Louisiana and San Antonio looked to be in there)...that doesn't do a whole lot for me.
    Granted, the inclusion of lots of real brands of gear and equipment is great, as is the customization abilities for your MyPlayer. That seems pretty solid.
    Sparty10
    12 pros seems a little weak, no? Half your leaderboard of a PGA game is fictional players?
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    You think the rest could be on the leaderboard and not playable.
    I mean it’s something Sega Genesis did over 25 years ago.
    Dos_Santos
    You think the rest could be on the leaderboard and not playable.
    I mean it’s something Sega Genesis did over 25 years ago.

    TGC 2019 did not...to have real pros on leaderboards, you had to manually add 300 some names and edit all their faces.
    My guess on the 15 courses
    The 6 existing.
    1) TPC Sawgrass Stadium
    2) TPC Scottsdale Stadium
    3) TPC Deere Run
    4) TPC Boston
    5) TPC Southwind
    6) TPC Summerlin
    New Identified from the video
    7) TPC Louisiana
    8) TPC San Antonio
    9) Eastlake
    10) Innisbrook Copperhead
    11) Riviera
    Not Known
    12)
    13)
    14)
    15)
    I also hope that all of the courses can be ported over from 2019, some of the lidar courses are incredible.
    Cam Fan
    So "MyPlayers" is plural right? Meaning we can create a substantial amount of CAPs similar to AO Tennis?

    That is not the way I would read it. Obviously hope for that to be the case, but I don't think that's a safe assumption based on 2K's usual games and the phrasing in the article.
    Here's an article with some interesting nuggets:
    https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/14/21257709/pga-tour-2k21-release-date-trailer-ps4-xbox-one-pc-switch-stadia-cover-athlete
    "Reached for comment, a 2K Sports representative told Polygon that VC can only be used to unlock cosmetic items; in other words, microtransactions won’t confer an advantage over other players."
    "In addition to Thomas, PGA Tour 2K21 will feature 11 real-life professional golfers. There aren’t yet any details on who those other athletes are, but 2K said that players will compete against them in the career mode; the pros won’t be playable themselves."
    "PGA Tour 2K21 will be available for $59.99 on all platforms. 2K is also offering a Digital Deluxe Edition for $69.99 that comes with a bundle of 2,300 VC as well as two add-on packs of clothes, accessories, and golf clubs."
    I figured we'd have 12 licensed PGA TOUR courses and 10 featured pros; they surprised me by going 15 and 12, respectably. I don't think they did anything beyond facial scanning for the pros, however, Justin Thomas said in his interview about the game on PGATOUR.com that he had his face scanned. If that's as far as they went then I can easily see how they got 12 pros in the game.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Granted, the inclusion of lots of real brands of gear and equipment is great, as is the customization abilities for you MyPlayer. That seems pretty solid.

    Where do you read about customizing abilities for MyPlayer? I've been hoping to see this. Would be a huge W imo.
    bmf395
    Where do you read about customizing abilities for MyPlayer? I've been hoping to see this. Would be a huge W imo.

    I didn't mean actually customizing abilities...I meant that we had the ability to customize our character in a lot of ways and with new brands of gear/apparel.
    Sorry for the confusion!
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I didn't mean actually customizing abilities...I meant that we had the ability to customize our character in a lot of ways and with new brands of gear/apparel.
    Sorry for the confusion!

    Gotcha. Thanks!
    Graphics look a bit better (I'm mostly being generous - bunkers still suck)...but honestly, the modeling in so many places is still so positively PS3 era - admittedly running at higher resolution.
    Ironically, I think an upscaled TW14 from PS3 would basically look like this. haha
    Credit for them trying and doing a new version though.
    It's great to see no matter what.
    I have to know about the gameplay, and swing, and the physics, the loft box, the shot outcomes that were curious in spots..
    I almost don't want to know anything about content, personally, as it won't mean anything to me (I won't be interested) if the substance hasn't been upgraded and tweaked.
    My first thought is that this will basically be the same game with more authentic courses, PGA pro cpu players to play against, commentary, and more clothes/equipment to use (visual only).
    Could be very wrong but this is my current interpretation of info.
    I am still excited for it though regardless. Wish it were coming out sooner.
    scagwi
    Graphics look a bit better (I'm mostly being generous - bunkers still suck)...but honestly, the modeling in so many places is still so positively PS3 era - admittedly running at higher resolution.
    Ironically, I think an upscaled TW14 from PS3 would basically look like this. haha
    Credit for them trying and doing a new version though.
    It's great to see no matter what.
    I have to know about the gameplay, and swing, and the physics, the loft box, the shot outcomes that were curious in spots..
    I almost don't want to know anything about content, personally, as it won't mean anything to me (I won't be interested) if the substance hasn't been upgraded and tweaked.

    It was not unexpected, but I am a bit annoyed how they used the "full details" phrase when saying that info on 2K21 would be released today...then went ahead and only dropped small nuggets of information.
    Career Mode? Info on that is super vague. Courses included? Only a few mentioned/shown. Real pros in the game? Only Justin Thomas mentioned, and the number of them given, along with murkiness about whether you can play only against them, or as them.
    Typical PR stuff, but irritating none the less.
    TheBrew101
    My first thought is that this will basically be the same game with more authentic courses, PGA pro cpu players to play against, commentary, and more clothes/equipment to use (visual only).
    Could be very wrong but this is my current interpretation of info.

    That's pretty much exactly what this looks like: a new coat of paint over TGC 2019. Some will love that. Others, not so much.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    That's pretty much exactly what this looks like: a new coat of paint over TGC 2019. Some will love that. Others, not so much.

    At $60 or $70 USD, it's a very premium gallon of "paint" :ooo:
    So I’m career mode in TGC we never saw other players.
    How would we “see” these pros we’re playing against? If we’re paired with them would we actually see them with us on the course?
    I’m curious how that integration looks and comes into play.
    If my only way of playing them is something like an exhibition skins match that does nothing for me.
    kehlis
    So I’m career mode in TGC we never saw other players.
    How would we “see” these pros we’re playing against? If we’re paired with them would we actually see them with us on the course?
    I’m curious how that integration looks and comes into play.
    If my only way of playing them is something like an exhibition skins match that does nothing for me.

    My thought is that it seems like the Tiger Challenges back in the old TW games. Like you mentioned...playing skins matches, match play, etc. against an AI opponent. Basically like boss battles at certain points. Not really my thing either. Hope I am wrong.
    Dos_Santos
    You think the rest could be on the leaderboard and not playable.
    I mean it’s something Sega Genesis did over 25 years ago.

    I'm sure now that the leaderboard/season stats will have all the other PGA TOUR pro names (well, except for those select few who choose to 'opt out', like Phil Mickelson) on it with spreadsheet generated numbers, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than last year's leaderboards with fictitious names. I'll probably never touch the Career mode because I'm always so heavily invested in Society tournament and multiplayer online play, but this will mean a lot to most who play career mode regularly.
    Was that all for the details today?
    Also - why do people pre-order a digital product that by its very nature isn't supply constrained?
    Just for those "bonuses" and extra virtual currency? :58:
    How about a discount for pre-ordering and/or 2019 owner upgrade pricing?
    That would actually be attractive
    OnlookerDelay
    I'm sure now that the leaderboard/season stats will have all the other PGA TOUR pro names (well, except for those select few who choose to 'opt out', like Phil Mickelson) on it with spreadsheet generated numbers, but it's a start.

    Just curious...where did you see this info confirmed? I only see the mention of "Taking on PGA TOUR Pros during your very own career, earning rewards and gear along the way"...I don't necessarily see this as pros' names on the leaderboard. I think it's like one-on-one matchups like the Tiger Challenges of old.
    This is why I am frustrated by the "full details" not actually being released...haha
    TheBrew101
    My first thought is that this will basically be the same game with more authentic courses, PGA pro cpu players to play against, commentary, and more clothes/equipment to use (visual only).
    Could be very wrong but this is my current interpretation of info.
    I am still excited for it though regardless. Wish it were coming out sooner.

    I certainly can't tell anything about how differently it will or will not play based on what I'm seeing in the videos, or finding on the feature list, but Sports Gamers Online had the following line in their preview:
    "experienced players of The Golf Club series will now have newer features to provide more of a challenge"
    Those "newer features" haven't been detailed anywhere I can find. I'm far more interested in that than I am featured pros, new licensed courses, new equipment, and new clothing apparel :)
    OnlookerDelay
    I certainly can't tell anything about how differently it will or will not play based on what I'm seeing in the videos, or finding on the feature list, but Sports Gamers Online had the following line in their preview:
    "experienced players of The Golf Club series will now have newer features to provide more of a challenge"
    Those "newer features" haven't been detailed anywhere I can find. I'm far more interested in that than I am featured pros, new licensed courses, new equipment, and new clothing apparel :)

    ...and did people need "newer features" to accomplish that goal?
    Or rather existing features re-worked, refined and repaired as necessary?
    Was hoping for improvements in player models and crowds. I know people have criticisms with shadows, bunkers, trees somewhat, but these are what really stand out to me as looking old generation. Otherwise the game looks pretty nice at higher resolutions.*
    MrArlingtonBeach
    It was not unexpected, but I am a bit annoyed how they used the "full details" phrase when saying that info on 2K21 would be released today...then went ahead and only dropped small nuggets of information.
    Career Mode? Info on that is super vague. Courses included? Only a few mentioned/shown. Real pros in the game? Only Justin Thomas mentioned, and the number of them given, along with murkiness about whether you can play only against them, or as them.
    Typical PR stuff, but irritating none the less.

    Well, with a release date of Aug 21st... they're going to give info bit by bit every week until close to the release date.
    Ronoko
    Was hoping for improvements in player models and crowds. I know people have criticisms with shadows, bunkers, trees somewhat, but these are what really stand out to me as looking old generation. Otherwise the game looks pretty nice at higher resolutions.*

    Yeah - the zombie crowds look literally 10 years out of place.
    OnlookerDelay
    I certainly can't tell anything about how differently it will or will not play based on what I'm seeing in the videos, or finding on the feature list, but Sports Gamers Online had the following line in their preview:
    "experienced players of The Golf Club series will now have newer features to provide more of a challenge"
    Those "newer features" haven't been detailed anywhere I can find. I'm far more interested in that than I am featured pros, new licensed courses, new equipment, and new clothing apparel :)

    It's going to be a Grand Master club set, with power fade and draw going even more over target. :grin:
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Just curious...where did you see this info confirmed?

    I concluded it based on a series of facts I do know... I know a guy who's a friend of a PGA Tour pro and he shared how the Tiger Woods featured pros and "offscreen" pros worked. The names came with the PGA TOUR license package unless a player wanted to opt out. Phil was one who did, even though I never noticed it. I think it was because of Phil and Tiger's rivalry.
    I coupled that with the fact that PGA TOUR 2K21 is using featured pros in the game now, so they very likely inked the deal with the PGA TOUR license to use the names of the other players for off screen filler.
    IOW, I don't have this written in stone, but I'd bet my kid's college tuition on it. ;)
    I only see the mention of "Taking on PGA TOUR Pros during your very own career, earning rewards and gear along the way"...I don't necessarily see this as pros' names on the leaderboard. I think it's like one-on-one matchups like the Tiger Challenges of old.

    I don't think we'll see featured pros as available playing companions in career mode tournament play either, since no one else has been able to do it since PGA Championship Golf 2000. With their extended PGA TOUR licenseI just think it will be no trouble at all for HB Studios to replace the fictitious names they have in their current... (cough) PGA TOUR Career mode with the properly scaled real life PGA TOUR player names.
    This is why I am frustrated by the "full details" not actually being released...haha

    Oh I could have told you yesterday that we weren't going to get "full details" today, especially about core game play matters and details of career mode. We'll be extracting that kind of info out of them for the next three months! They don't make for sexy bullets on a feature list! :)
    bigkev
    It's going to be a Grand Master club set, with power fade and draw going even more over target. :grin:

    Now you're talkin'! You just had to go and scoop me on this bigkev! :)
    scagwi
    ...and did people need "newer features" to accomplish that goal?
    Or rather existing features re-worked, refined and repaired as necessary?

    That's Sports Gamers Online's wording on that. I've yet to see it spelled out in the same way anywhere else, but I'm just wading into this stuff, as I slept in a bit today. You're right though, they just need to tweak what they already had; it's not worthy of being called a "new feature" for goodness sake!?
    scagwi
    I wish whoever makes Super Mega Baseball was making Super Mega Golf

    Have you played it? I'm tempted to download it on my XBox One X. I'm hearing nothing but good things about it from my XBox One buds!
    With 15 career courses, I can't see myself buying that 1st day. I'll stick with TW14 and the sad 25 courses or so I've got. This is going to be $80 in Canada for a game I will probably put aside in no time. I'll wait for a sale.
    bigkev
    With 15 career courses, I can't see myself buying that 1st day. I'll stick with TW14 and the sad 25 courses or so I've got. This is going to be $80 in Canada for a game I will probably put aside in no time. I'll wait for a sale.

    Have you read anything yet that says you can't add other non-official courses to the PGA TOUR season in 2K21? I'm not a career mode player at all in TGC, so I'm woefully ignorant about what the options are in it currently.
    OnlookerDelay
    Have you read anything yet that says you can't add other non-official courses to the PGA TOUR season in 2K21? I'm not a career mode player at all in TGC, so I'm woefully ignorant about what the options are in it currently.

    Another thing that's lacking in the info released today - no mention either way. And you could not edit the PGA Tour season at all in TGC 2019.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Another thing that's lacking in the info released today - no mention either way. And you could not edit the PGA Tour season at all in TGC 2019.

    Thanks for answering that question about TGC 2019's PGA career mode. All I can say that offers some hope for this is 2K21's liberal use of MYPlayer and customize your own dream course, among other customization option mentions. It would seem a bit counter-productive to put a cap on the season, but maybe their PGA TOUR license doesn't allow them to have a user customization options here?
    OnlookerDelay
    Have you read anything yet that says you can't add other non-official courses to the PGA TOUR season in 2K21? I'm not a career mode player at all in TGC, so I'm woefully ignorant about what the options are in it currently.

    If that ever happens, it's going to be the last golf game I buy. Unless there's a big jump in graphic, I'll never need to buy another golf game again. So, I think they know that a lot of career mode guys think just like me. Just put Augusta and the 3 other major courses knockoff that year and we've got our PGA season.
    I don't know - after seeing what TGC 2019 turned out to be and how it was (wasn't) supported post launch, to me the onus is on HB/2K to spell out the offering a bit more here.
    All the charitable reading into bullet points and insinuation of what it might mean, colored with the most favorable painting possible, just doesn't seem warranted.
    This, so far, looks like a $60 content DLC package that could and perhaps should have been offered in TGC 2019
    MrArlingtonBeach
    And it only says you play against the pros...no mention of actually playing as them in any way, shape, or form.
    The preorder listings for this game say it'll cost $60. In a stacked release window with what seems to be minimal gameplay enhancements and very little detail about the career mode, this is a tough sell. No mention of majors being included
    It's the announcement trailer lol did you expect it to be a 60 minute deep dive?
    Anyway, I'm interested after this one, single trailer. Saw the Callaway Mavrik driver and that thing rips so lets see where they go with details after this.
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    BA2929
    It's the announcement trailer lol did you expect it to be a 60 minute deep dive?

    HB/2K are the ones who said "Stay tuned for full details on 5/14." and now want $60-70 for pre-orders..
    So - "yeah" - more information - yes please
    BA2929
    It's the announcement trailer lol did you expect it to be a 60 minute deep dive?

    They had said they would release "full details" on May 14. I had hoped for more than we got, but am not surprised with what was delivered.
    scagwi
    At $60 or $70 USD, it's a very premium gallon of "paint" :ooo:

    With the relatively weak market for any golf sim a major re-write should never be expected, nor would that be economically feasible for the developer near as I can tell. To target a few areas for example better animations, a few more well developed courses, and a few other tweaks is all that is warranted and I'm sure all their budget can cope with. The game already has a robust following so IMM it's critical they build on the platform they already have as dev costs can be contained and people who do enjoy it will continue doing so unless they broke something in the process. That they're still at it to me means if there is something broken likely it will be addressed. TGC2019 is already a fantastic game graphically and playability wise, at least for XBOXers. Perhaps they are tweaking the difficulty scaler to keep the folks on TGCTours from turning on ridiculous scores. Glad to see they are keeping the franchise alive. I downloaded the game free last May and after playing maybe an average of 4 18 hole matches weekly since then I will be happy to contribute so will likely buy it provided it hasn't been killed for what we use it for, and that could happen unless as I say they kept the core functionality including online society play for example.
    ncp10
    TGC2019 is already a fantastic game graphically and playability wise, at least for XBOXers.

    This is interesting, because all the talk on the TGC Tours forums is how Xbox users are at a disadvantage compared to PS4 and PC users, due to issues with the tempo swing mechanics or something (I play on PS4, so I don't know what the issue is). There is a lot of discussion about how 2K21 needs to make the TGC Tours experience on a level playing field for all golfers, as right now, Xbox users can't compete with those using other systems.
    In fact, only 5 people out of the 124 players on the PGA Tour event leaderboard this week on TGC Tours are Xbox One users.
    ncp10
    That they're still at it to me means if there is something broken likely it will be addressed.

    HB staff have endlessly defended most all of their design decisions in the past.
    Just "doing more versions" in no way should reassure anyone that they will fix fundamental complaints about the swing or physics or any manner of other issues complained about for years.
    Am I the only one who likes to play as the actual PGA Tour pros? From what I hear, there will be pros in the game, but you can't actually play as them. What the heck? What's the point of having them in the game if you can't play as them? I like making my own tournaments amongst the pros and seeing which one wins. Hopefully they make them playable, but if they don't, this game is going to be a hard sell for me.
    scagwi
    HB staff have endlessly defended most all of their design decisions in the past.
    Just "doing more versions" in no way should reassure anyone that they will fix fundamental complaints about the swing or physics or any manner of other issues complained about for years.

    If that power fade with the slow downswing is still there... they really don't care what their customers are saying. I haven't read a single person liking that.
    Crazy Packers Fan
    Am I the only one who likes to play as the actual PGA Tour pros? From what I hear, there will be pros in the game, but you can't actually play as them. What the heck? What's the point of having them in the game if you can't play as them? I like making my own tournaments amongst the pros and seeing which one wins. Hopefully they make them playable, but if they don't, this game is going to be a hard sell for me.

    Have you read or seen something that definitively confirms that you can't play as a pro? I did read something in a Gamespot article that said you had to "unlock" the featured pros by progressing through career mode. Maybe unlocking them enables you to use them? I'm just guessing...
    bigkev
    If that power fade with the slow downswing is still there... they really don't care what their customers are saying. I haven't read a single person liking that.

    Amen! The criticism of that is universal!!
    OnlookerDelay
    Have you read or seen something that definitively confirms that you can't play as a pro? I did read something in a Gamespot article that said you had to "unlock" the featured pros by progressing through career mode. Maybe unlocking them enables you to use them? I'm just guessing...

    https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/14/21257709/pga-tour-2k21-release-date-trailer-ps4-xbox-one-pc-switch-stadia-cover-athlete
    "In addition to Thomas, PGA Tour 2K21 will feature 11 real-life professional golfers. There aren’t yet any details on who those other athletes are, but 2K said that players will compete against them in the career mode; the pros won’t be playable themselves."
    Crazy Packers Fan
    Am I the only one who likes to play as the actual PGA Tour pros? From what I hear, there will be pros in the game, but you can't actually play as them. What the heck? What's the point of having them in the game if you can't play as them?

    They probably have their own attributes, and don't want people using them for the TGC Tours. Like one pro can hit it 310+ yds and the other 280 but with a great short game. That's where the supposedly one level playing field on the TGC Tour comes into play in this game.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/14/21257709/pga-tour-2k21-release-date-trailer-ps4-xbox-one-pc-switch-stadia-cover-athlete
    "In addition to Thomas, PGA Tour 2K21 will feature 11 real-life professional golfers. There aren’t yet any details on who those other athletes are, but 2K said that players will compete against them in the career mode; the pros won’t be playable themselves."

    Thanks for pulling that in Steven... I don't have a dawg in that fight, but it's a bit of a peculiar decision. I mean they have the rights to use the player's likeness, why wouldn't they take more advantage of it by allowing them to be characters you could play as?
    EDIT: after seeing bigkev's response above, he may be onto something. Still, I don't know why you couldn't use the unlocked pros in offline modes maybe?
    bigkev
    They probably have their own attributes, and don't want people using them for the TGC Tours. Like one pro can hit it 310+ yds and the other 280 but with a great short game. That's where the supposedly one level playing field on the TGC Tour comes into play in this game.

    Oh man - not the "one level playing field" stuff again..
    HB needs to punt on that and empower people with all the options to play however they want in whatever types of segregated groups they want.
    OnlookerDelay
    Thanks for pulling that in Steven... I don't have a dawg in that fight, but it's a bit of a peculiar decision. I mean they have the rights to use the player's likeness, why wouldn't they take more advantage of it by allowing them to be characters you could play as?

    I'm sure there is yet more licensing money needed for it or they would be doing it.
    I did pick this little tidbit that speaks to a gamplay aspect from a Gamespot article about the game:
    "2K confirmed that rookie players will be able to use things like real-time tutorials, tips, and shot suggestions, while players who want a more challenging experience can make use of more expert-type features and "other innovations" that 2K will announce later."
    Are these other innovations "Pro Vision, Distance Control, and Putt Preview"? At least two of those (distance control and putt preview) sound more like aids than expert-type features ??? Pro Vision could mean limited or scout camera disabled view? We need more clarification on this.
    Distance control could mean that it's up to the golfer to control the distance with their swing power, so there's hope there, provided the swing interface is proportional and granular enough to facilitate it reasonably.
    Putt preview? I just can't see why an expert player would need that!? If it's what we know of putt preview and shot preview, it should be left in the beginner mode.
    OnlookerDelay
    Distance control could mean that it's up to the golfer to control the distance with their swing power

    What a novel idea!:star:
    scagwi
    Oh man - not the "one level playing field" stuff again..
    HB needs to punt on that and empower people with all the options to play however they want in whatever types of segregated groups they want.

    Well that's the problem with the TGC Tours... not only they're very vocal, but they're the one playing the games more than others. Although it's a problem with societies too. And for us career mode guys, we couldn't care less about this stuff. And for the numerous designers, they couldn't care less about that stuff either. And for the casual players, not only they couldn't care less about that stuff, they would like to play as a pro and hitting them 310+ yards right out of the box.
    OnlookerDelay
    Putt preview? I just can't see why an expert player would need that!? If it's what we know of putt preview and shot preview, it should be left in the beginner mode.

    Putt preview is an attempt to get the Arcade guys to buy the game, that's what they hated with Rory as it wasn't there. Those guys are playing a hole out contest, and don't care about putting and don't want to lose a game by missing a putt.
    Crazy Packers Fan
    Am I the only one who likes to play as the actual PGA Tour pros? From what I hear, there will be pros in the game, but you can't actually play as them. What the heck? What's the point of having them in the game if you can't play as them? I like making my own tournaments amongst the pros and seeing which one wins. Hopefully they make them playable, but if they don't, this game is going to be a hard sell for me.

    I would prefer to build up my own player not to outrageous skill levels and play against the pros. Don't want a 99 out of 100 golfer now what fun is that?
    OnlookerDelay
    I did pick this little tidbit that speaks to a gamplay aspect from a Gamespot article about the game:
    "2K confirmed that rookie players will be able to use things like real-time tutorials, tips, and shot suggestions, while players who want a more challenging experience can make use of more expert-type features and "other innovations" that 2K will announce later."
    Are these other innovations "Pro Vision, Distance Control, and Putt Preview"? At least two of those (distance control and putt preview) sound more like aids than expert-type features ??? Pro Vision could mean limited or scout camera disabled view? We need more clarification on this.
    Distance control could mean that it's up to the golfer to control the distance with their swing power, so there's hope there, provided the swing interface is proportional and granular enough to facilitate it reasonably.
    Putt preview? I just can't see why an expert player would need that!? If it's what we know of putt preview and shot preview, it should be left in the beginner mode.

    Power swing versus control swing something like PYS does in their Japanese baseball game?
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Power swing versus control swing something like PYS does in their Japanese baseball game?

    I hadn't thought of that, but that's very plausible... I'm sure they'll come out with some official information expeditiously about this in response to the questioning it's getting in various forums. (insert the most applicable emoji here)
    scagwi
    Oh man - not the "one level playing field" stuff again..
    HB needs to punt on that and empower people with all the options to play however they want in whatever types of segregated groups they want.

    Gotta disagree. It makes it feel more like real golf. When I play online with my buddies, it's a test of who's got it going that particular day, just like real golf.
    Same as career, you need to be on your game. Why go back to the Rory or Tiger days where you can just shoot 59 all day and win tournaments by 30 strokes. That's not realistic at all.
    I'll say this; PGA TOUR 2K21 is already getting way more attention from 2K than TGC 2019. I've seen more 2K spokespeople commenting on this game in articles than I saw from them during the entire run of TGC 2019. Furthermore, when you go to the 2K website now, the first thing you see is a full splash screen for PGA TOUR 2K21.😲
    I'm willing to give this game a fair shake. I will need to hear (mostly from you guys) how it is after it releases, but I am willing to remain somewhat impartial until then.
    It does pretty much look exactly like TGC2019 though (based on the latest trailer), and the swing animations really aren't any better. Especially the left arm/shoulder on the follow-through, for whatever reason that has always bugged the living crap out of me, as it looks like their left arm & shoulder are disconnected from their body on the through-swing. Also, those character models look like PS2-era models. Not befitting my 4K setup LOL ;)
    And, of course, the end of the trailer is some kind of pre-order bonus for in-game Adidas gear, as expected. I don't have a problem with that. As long as it isn't obtrusive or necessary for the game, have as much DLC as you want. I'd be willing to trade all of that for as good of a recreation of pro golf as NBA2K is of pro basketball. But the gameplay has got to be there first and foremost.
    So, consider me....officially persuadable.
    PGA 2K21 is officially on the 2K forum, has its own thread. I don't think you will hear much from the HB guys anymore, even less than before, it's all 2K now.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    I would prefer to build up my own player not to outrageous skill levels and play against the pros. Don't want a 99 out of 100 golfer now what fun is that?

    That's exactly my point. In every PGA game I've played, by the time you're through one season, your golfer is maxed out in four or five stat categories. Whereas if you're playing as Justin Thomas, he's got locked-in stats that aren't maxed out. And when you play as different golfers, each one has his own different stats. It's fun comparing Dustin Johnson to Brandt Snedeker, a power hitter vs. a short shooter.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    This is interesting, because all the talk on the TGC Tours forums is how Xbox users are at a disadvantage compared to PS4 and PC users, due to issues with the tempo swing mechanics or something (I play on PS4, so I don't know what the issue is). There is a lot of discussion about how 2K21 needs to make the TGC Tours experience on a level playing field for all golfers, as right now, Xbox users can't compete with those using other systems.
    In fact, only 5 people out of the 124 players on the PGA Tour event leaderboard this week on TGC Tours are Xbox One users.

    You misinterpreted my meaning which was unintentionally a bit cryptic--for me 'playability' ALSO means not being TOO EASY to master, that's all I was hinting at.
    bigkev
    PGA 2K21 is officially on the 2K forum, has its own thread. I don't think you will hear much from the HB guys anymore, even less than before, it's all 2K now.

    Well now - that's interesting... It does make one wonder a bit what will become of TGC and the HB forum and all that moving forward.
    bigkev
    PGA 2K21 is officially on the 2K forum, has its own thread. I don't think you will hear much from the HB guys anymore, even less than before, it's all 2K now.

    Yeah, that's a cool development because when they temporarily had an "add-on" TGC 2019 room in their "Other Games" section, I actually got some responses from them. I think they'll be better able to tend to and respond in a forum than HB Studios. I'll eventually fully transition from the official HB Studios forum to there. I've already posted there as "OnlookerDelay", which I registered there as two years ago.
    ncp10
    You misinterpreted my meaning which was unintentionally a bit cryptic--for me 'playability' ALSO means not being TOO EASY to master, that's all I was hinting at.

    Hmmm, ok...it's still just interesting to me because the discussion on those boards doesn't revolve around PS4 and PC being changed to the way Xbox One is. It's the other way around. Like I said, I am unfamiliar with the differences between the platforms, but it's a bone of contention over there, and this is the first time I've seen someone advocate for the way Xbox is set up.
    pietasterp
    I'm willing to give this game a fair shake. I will need to hear (mostly from you guys) how it is after it releases, but I am willing to remain somewhat impartial until then.
    It does pretty much look exactly like TGC2019 though (based on the latest trailer), and the swing animations really aren't any better. Especially the left arm/shoulder on the follow-through, for whatever reason that has always bugged the living crap out of me, as it looks like their left arm & shoulder are disconnected from their body on the through-swing. Also, those character models look like PS2-era models. Not befitting my 4K setup LOL ;)
    And, of course, the end of the trailer is some kind of pre-order bonus for in-game Adidas gear, as expected. I don't have a problem with that. As long as it isn't obtrusive or necessary for the game, have as much DLC as you want. I'd be willing to trade all of that for as good of a recreation of pro golf as NBA2K is of pro basketball. But the gameplay has got to be there first and foremost.
    So, consider me....officially persuadable.

    You've got a very well reasoned posture on this pietasterp. I wish I could be as mature and have as much self-control as you, but as I confessed earlier, I'm an unapologetic golf-gaming junkie with no self-control ;) I was waiting in line for the "Winning Putt" download to be posted, if that gives you any idea of the depths of depravity to which I'm capable of sinking!
    scagwi
    JC - you in for $60 or $70 version?
    Which did you pre-order?

    I haven't preordered yet, but I'll go for the $60 version. All that extra equipment and apparel, and VC that I'd get for $70 wouldn't change the way I play or look at the game. I wear about as modest an outfit as you can get in TGC 2019 and I've never found myself wanting more.
    OnlookerDelay
    There's a link in the header of that new forum to a more complete 2K article about the game:
    https://pgatour.2k.com/news/ready-for-your-club-drop-moment-pga-tour-2k21-arrives-august-21/

    "Career Mode Guy" me doesn't like the way this is worded...
    "The game features cover athlete Justin Thomas, plus 11 other PGA TOUR pros, who are ready to stand between you and golfing glory in PGA TOUR Career Mode as you compete to become a FedExCup Champion."
    Sounds like a 2000's-era Tiger Woods challenge mode, not a career mode in the sense one would expect, with a calendar/schedule, majors, stat tracking, money list, etc. I really, really hope I am wrong.
    OnlookerDelay
    There's a link in the header of that new forum to a more complete 2K article about the game:
    https://pgatour.2k.com/news/ready-for-your-club-drop-moment-pga-tour-2k21-arrives-august-21/

    I am just too old and boring and out of the demographic they are targeting..
    Verbiage and sayings like:
    "Golf got game"
    "Get your victory dance ready"
    "Tricked-out courses"
    "real deal courses"
    "swing with swag"
    "flex on the pros"
    "take to the links with your crew"
    It all just reinforces how much of this "is not meant for me"..
    ha
    Sucks getting old and just wanting very simulation oriented gameplay, doesn't it?
    scagwi
    I am just too old and boring and out of the demographic they are targeting..
    Verbiage and sayings like:
    "Golf got game"
    "Get your victory dance ready"
    "Tricked-out courses"
    "real deal courses"
    "swing with swag"
    "flex on the pros"
    "take to the links with your crew"
    It all just reinforces how much of this "is not meant for me"..
    ha
    Sucks getting old and just wanting very simulation oriented gameplay, doesn't it?

    This one is my..."favorite":
    "Looking for Play-By-Play that slays?"
    *shudders*
    Very very interesting to see this is coming to Google Stadia
    That could be a very cool and cheap way to play this game with great performance, particularly if you only have interest in this title
    (and/or perhaps interest in whatever else Stadia has on offer)
    MrArlingtonBeach
    "Career Mode Guy" me doesn't like the way this is worded...
    "The game features cover athlete Justin Thomas, plus 11 other PGA TOUR pros, who are ready to stand between you and golfing glory in PGA TOUR Career Mode as you compete to become a FedExCup Champion."

    Yeah, I read that and wondered if it meant that only those 12 would be playing on the TOUR with you? If it's nothing more than a Tiger Woods Challenge series to become the FedEx Cup champion, I would think the PGA TOUR would have an objection to that. Then again, if it's only you against 12 other pros in a 15 event PGA TOUR season, how realistic would that be?
    MrArlingtonBeach
    This one is my..."favorite":
    "Looking for Play-By-Play that slays?"
    *shudders*

    IMO, they're wasting their breath with that jargon on most of the crowd that would be interested in this game.
    OnlookerDelay
    You've got a very well reasoned posture on this pietasterp. I wish I could be as mature and have as much self-control as you, but as I confessed earlier, I'm an unapologetic golf-gaming junkie with no self-control ;) I was waiting in line for the "Winning Putt" download to be posted, if that gives you any idea of the depths of depravity to which I'm capable of sinking!

    I would trade my cool indifference for your passion in a second if I could. I'm glad you're enthusiastic and I hope the game does really well. If there is a clear demonstration that there's an appetite for realistic golf, that can only be a good thing for those of us hoping golf gets to where football and basketball are in the gaming landscape. Or at least (maybe more realistically) where NHL hockey is.
    scagwi
    I am just too old and boring and out of the demographic they are targeting..
    Verbiage and sayings like:
    "Golf got game"
    "Get your victory dance ready"
    "Tricked-out courses"
    "real deal courses"
    "swing with swag"
    "flex on the pros"
    "take to the links with your crew"
    It all just reinforces how much of this "is not meant for me"..
    ha
    Sucks getting old and just wanting very simulation oriented gameplay, doesn't it?

    OnlookerDelay
    IMO, they're wasting their breath with that jargon on most of the crowd that would be interested in this game.

    I'm hoping they do some real-world research and figure out where their market really is. I don't have a problem with them trying to appeal to a younger demographic (presumably that's where this painfully transparent marketing attempt is aimed), as long as it doesn't affect the way they make the actual game.
    The starting point should be as realistic of a sim of pro golf is as "MLB The Show" is of baseball (I'm sort of wondering whether the "engine" on which TGC/2K21 is built would ever be up to the task, but that's a different discussion). From that point, they can layer on as much casual player-friendly additions as they'd like, provided it's all optional and toggle-able. Lightning strikes and confetti? Fine! As long as I can turn it off.
    Also, would it be too much to ask for a golfer viewpoint cam that snaps to reverse-angle landing cam for the last 20% of the shot? Like they used to have in golf games 20 years ago?
    pietasterp
    I'm hoping they do some real-world research and figure out where their market really is. I don't have a problem with them trying to appeal to a younger demographic (presumably that's where this painfully transparent marketing attempt is aimed), as long as it doesn't affect the way they make the actual game.

    You bring up good points...
    What I worry about is --- what if the "research" has been done and the only way to take this over the top financially is go all in on the arcade stuff?
    (I suspect this is likely the case)
    Let's just hope this is marketing fluff and not a development ethos that will work its way into all parts of actually playing the game.
    I can only imagine how cringy it could get if the commentary has lots of "sick bomb drops" and "epic sauce bunker shots" where you "rip'd the field with your crew in tow"
    I'm pretty sure they will try to please everybody, and just about everybody will be complaining or angry anyway like always. :lol:
    It should be interesting, and maybe the last hurrah for something resembling a golf sim.
    scagwi
    You bring up good points...
    What I worry about is --- what if the "research" has been done and the only way to take this over the top financially is go all in on the arcade stuff?
    (I suspect this is likely the case)
    Let's just hope this is marketing fluff and not a development ethos that will work its way into all parts of actually playing the game.
    I can only imagine how cringy it could get if the commentary has lots of "sick bomb drops" and "epic sauce bunker shots" where you "rip'd the field with your crew in tow"

    Yeah, I worry about that as well....that thought has definitely occurred to me. It just makes me shudder so I choose to ignore the possibility...
    bigkev
    I'm pretty sure they will try to please everybody, and just about everybody will be complaining or angry anyway like always. :lol:
    It should be interesting, and maybe the last hurrah for something resembling a golf sim.

    I'm really hoping this isn't the case. I'm trying to be optimistic. But sports gaming really is in horrible shape right now.
    bigkev
    I'm pretty sure they will try to please everybody, and just about everybody will be complaining or angry anyway like always. :lol:
    It should be interesting, and maybe the last hurrah for something resembling a golf sim.

    I will say, no matter what, it's good that there's still this much interest and passion related to golf games. We all want a game that suits our individual style of play. Hopefully, 2K21 will give everyonea t least a little bit of what they want.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I will say, no matter what, it's good that there's still this much interest and passion related to golf games.

    I honestly have no gauge on what interest level there really is, to be frank.
    We are so deep in this bubble of interest that I don't have a clue what sort of blip on the radar a game like this even makes at this point.
    scagwi
    I honestly have no gauge on what interest level there really is, to be frank.
    We are so deep in this bubble of interest that I don't have a clue what sort of blip on the radar a game like this even makes at this point.

    I guess I am pulling my unofficial data from the mentions on social media, posts on here, TGC Tours, gaming websites, golf publication feeds, etc. It does still surprise me how many replies and comments show people didn't realize that there was a Golf Club series of games before this...
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I guess I am pulling my unofficial data from the mentions on social media, posts on here, TGC Tours, gaming websites, golf publication feeds, etc. It does still surprise me how many replies and comments show people didn't realize that there was a Golf Club series of games before this...

    And what do you ballpark all that at?
    Feels like "a few thousand" to me - you?
    The game twitter feed has 36k followers, but that's deceiving since they rebranded the same TGC feed and it has all the legacy followers from years and years of accumulation now.
    36k on Twitter can be quickly had by a 14 year old unboxing toys...it's relatively speaking "nothing"
    2k likes on the PS feed announcing the game - that's good I suppose
    Meh. Their career mode does nothing for me. Obviously, the " full details" most of us are looking for are related to swing mechanics, ball physics, etc.
    I know this is going out on a very thin limb, but for those that remember the Links Golf game/series....long story short, M$ sold Indie Built (formerly Access Software) to Take-Two Interactive in 2004. In 2006, Indie Built was shut down.
    Lots of features in Links that would be awesome to see in The Golf Club (aka PGA Tour 2k21). Levels - rookie, pro, champ, elite; BLI (break line indicator); 3 click swing; different swing methods - powerstroke and something else; and much more.....
    I know this is one hell of a reach, and I can hear/feel the limb breaking already, but one can "hope", right?
    scagwi
    And what do you ballpark all that at?
    Feels like "a few thousand" to me - you?
    The game twitter feed has 36k followers, but that's deceiving since they rebranded the same TGC feed and it has all the legacy followers from years and years of accumulation now.
    36k on Twitter can be quickly had by a 14 year old unboxing toys...it's relatively speaking "nothing"
    2k likes on the PS feed announcing the game - that's good I suppose

    You probably have it nailed down pretty good there. Still, to me, it seems like a niche sport like golf having that many impressions is good. But I will say, just by adding "2K" to the branding, they increased the visibility at the get-go. Now, if any of the people newly interested because of the "2K" branding stick around...of course, that's yet to be seen.
    Speaking of twitter- it's hilarious reading some of the posts about this game..
    It feels like 1 out of every 3 comments is about fear & loathing of micro transaction possibilities.
    scagwi
    Speaking of twitter- it's hilarious reading some of the posts about this game..
    It feels like 1 out of every 3 comments is about fear & loathing of micro transaction possibilities.

    Haha...yes! And the other two are demanding Tiger and Augusta.
    scagwi
    Speaking of twitter- it's hilarious reading some of the posts about this game..
    It feels like 1 out of every 3 comments is about fear & loathing of micro transaction possibilities.

    It's way better than the last EA game, it was just bashing in both twitter and facebook. Hundreds of them, with most just telling they were refusing to buy the game until Augusta and Tiger were in there. At the end, it was no Augusta, Tiger and no more EA golf game.
    We haven't forgot about any of you. I promise you that.

    From HB on their forum, just showing they're trying to please everybody... they just can't, it's impossible.
    bigkev
    From HB on their forum, just showing they're trying to please everybody... they just can't, it's impossible.

    Their objective - which is sure to be quite a challenge - is to please the hardcore crowd enough with updates to the core gameplay, while doing enough to draw in the casual crowd that's on the fence about ponying up $60-plus dollars on a new golf game during one of the busiest release windows of the year for video games...especially sports games.
    The Tiger Woods series had this down, for the most part. Fun enough to play for the casuals, but with enough sim style to keep hardcore golf fans happy. The Golf Club was never designed to be that. It was a more serious, sim-focused golf game attached to a robust course creation tool.
    But with PGA Tour 2K21, they are entering the "mainstream", if you will. That's why their release article has all that "hip" marketing language. That's not HB Studios doing that...that's all 2K.
    So while they might not be able to please everyone, they are gonna have to come pretty close if there's gonna be a 2K22.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Their objective - which is sure to be quite a challenge - is to please the hardcore crowd enough with updates to the core gameplay, while doing enough to draw in the casual crowd that's on the fence about ponying up $60-plus dollars on a new golf game during one of the busiest release windows of the year for video games...especially sports games.

    The course designers seemed the most vocal about not buying the game right now, they're not seeing anything for them in there.
    bigkev
    The course designers seemed the most vocal about not buying the game right now, they're not seeing anything for them in there.

    Yeah, for sure. What they showed of the design tool's capabilities in the trailer video was embarrassing. Given all the amazing courses people created over the years, they showed course designs that a total noob would come up with in just 5 minutes with the designer.
    bigkev
    The course designers seemed the most vocal about not buying the game right now, they're not seeing anything for them in there.

    Sadly the most vocal and most passionate can often be the least profitable to serve.
    (I include course designers as well as us simulation/realism oriented golfers in that same bucket)
    scagwi
    Sadly the most vocal and most passionate can often be the least profitable to serve.
    (I include course designers as well as us simulation/realism oriented golfers in that same bucket)

    Exhibit A: Every Madden game for the past 15 years
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Hmmm, ok...it's still just interesting to me because the discussion on those boards doesn't revolve around PS4 and PC being changed to the way Xbox One is. It's the other way around. Like I said, I am unfamiliar with the differences between the platforms, but it's a bone of contention over there, and this is the first time I've seen someone advocate for the way Xbox is set up.

    PS4 players in the pro tournaments on TGCTours are on average, on the order of double the number of strokes under par at 72 holes than Xbox players. I'm not advocating the way Xbox is set up per se just stating at least players w/ Xbox are not able to shoot the ridiculous -58 or better you see w/ PS4 and to a lesser extent PC.
    I'm ultra thankful for how well TGC19 plays for me and my playing partner. We are blessed in that we score about as well as an average or better PGA tour player plays and are prone to swing errors enough to keep it interesting. We were credited beta testers for TW2004 which in its day was fabulous. If we had no trouble shooting the sorts of scores you see in the pro tour PS4 results I would never want to play the game. But as I say it's works very well for us, graphics are absolutely decent, I'd love to see better weather, better animations, sure improve the gallery muppets would be nice, and provide enough scalability to prevent the nonsensical scores you see now amongst some players. My main desire for any golf sim is how well it simulates scoring outcomes above all. I find physics are good enough to be plausible w/ the exception of not enough backspin effect which is uber simple to fix. That the slow downswing spins the ball to the right for right-handers is fine but the distance just needs cut down commensurate with what 'wiped' shots like that do in real world golf physics. I'd love to be able to move the player left and right on the tee box, and any thing else that players do in the real world. What I like about the current swing model, again, is the scoring outcomes for us. It's just right so that we can have great matches. There is plenty of uncertainty IOW. Apparently some have figured out a way to guarantee great outcomes way more often than will ever happen in the real world. So they need to add greater difficulty scaling. I'd also like to have access to much different equipment options than is in TGC2019.
    MrArlingtonBeach

    The Tiger Woods series had this down, for the most part. Fun enough to play for the casuals, but with enough sim style to keep hardcore golf fans happy. The Golf Club was never designed to be that. It was a more serious, sim-focused golf game attached to a robust course creation tool.
    But with PGA Tour 2K21, they are entering the "mainstream", if you will. That's why their release article has all that "hip" marketing language. That's not HB Studios doing that...that's all 2K.
    So while they might not be able to please everyone, they are gonna have to come pretty close if there's gonna be a 2K22.

    Annual releases of golf games trying to appeal to 'serious' golfer/simmers AND casual sports game players is a losing proposition proven by the end of the long TW series culminating in whole new release that came w/ Rory. I can't imagine what the final cost was to produce Rory but it was enough to shut it down and quickly.
    I'll maintain they should limit the franchise to what they serve best already, and as you aptly stated it's the more serious, sim-focused game and indeed was coupled w/ a very robust course designer. Fine-tuning difficulty scaling, working on a few different and better swing models, bringing the animations up to very high quality, bringing in more variable weather perhaps, enhancing the course designer though it's already fabulous, and several other targeted improvements is far less expensive to produce than something that will attract casual players in any meaningful numbers and is certain to fizzle fast. They might do new releases every 4-5y with this model and as such the cost of maintaining the franchise goes way down, they retain the serious simmer/player essentially indefinitely.
    I went from a day 1 purchase to a wait and see after I saw that the tour pros aren’t playable at all. I’m hoping we can at least play as them outside of career mode. The language in the press release isn’t exactly clear. And if we can’t “see” them while in career mode, doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose? Some clarity needs to be brought out.
    My guess is that they're not playable at all because of the TGC Tour. You won't see them in career mode unless there's some sort of short game before the event just like in Tiger. You will be able to play against them in play now for strokes, match or skins games.
    jbd345
    I went from a day 1 purchase to a wait and see after I saw that the tour pros aren’t playable at all. I’m hoping we can at least play as them outside of career mode. The language in the press release isn’t exactly clear. And if we can’t “see” them while in career mode, doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose? Some clarity needs to be brought out.

    The moderator of the PGA_TOUR_2K sub on Reddit, Kelson, has gotten a commitment from 2K to answer a list of user questions that he collects. There are two questions already in the queue relating to this, but those of you who are interested in this might want to check out how they're worded to make sure your specific question is included. Here's a link to the thread:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PGA_Tour_2K/comments/gjw0cf/ask_questions_ill_try_to_get_them_answered/
    OnlookerDelay
    The moderator of the PGA_TOUR_2K sub on Reddit, Kelson, has gotten a commitment from 2K to answer a list of user questions that he collects. There are two questions already in the queue relating to this, but those of you who are interested in this might want to check out how they're worded to make sure your specific question is included. Here's a link to the thread:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/PGA_Tour_2K/comments/gjw0cf/ask_questions_ill_try_to_get_them_answered/

    I consider myself relatively tech savy but for the life of me I just can't navigate through Redit to save my life.
    Can you (or anyone) report back what those questions and answers are when they are shared?
    kehlis
    I consider myself relatively tech savy but for the life of me I just can't navigate through Redit to save my life.
    Can you (or anyone) report back what those questions and answers are when they are shared?

    It is hard to navigate, but in this case, Kelson has asked for questions only, with no comments or replies, and it has made it cleaner, although at the very end a couple of people got into the reply exchange. Having said that, you can just click on the link and scroll right down from top to bottom and you'll see all the questions. I tried to copy them and past them here, but it was an unreadable mess.
    kehlis
    I consider myself relatively tech savy but for the life of me I just can't navigate through Redit to save my life.
    Can you (or anyone) report back what those questions and answers are when they are shared?

    The post mentions that 2K has plans to do deep dives on some features so they may ignore some of the questions that they already plan to dive in deeper on, but...
    The questions so far:
    Any changes to swings mechanics, look, feel, etc.?
    Are any/all majors licensed? (I'm guessing they probably would have revealed that if they were in but not sure)
    3 Click Swing?
    Any changes to the course editor? (I would assume this will get a deep dive rather than just a response)
    When ported over to next gen consoles, will there be a graphics patch or will it be current gen graphics?
    Will leaderboards have more than the 12 fully licensed pros? (My guess would be 12 pros + editable generics, but we'll see)
    Cross-platform play?
    Will a Perfect/Slow tempo still produce a power fade?
    Will TGC Tours get API Access?
    Will they improve unplayable lies (i.e. make it harder to hit out of)?
    Will it feature facial scans like NBA 2K for our MyPlayer?
    Can we set a display name for our career mode instead of just playing as our gamertag?
    Can we import logos?
    Any kind of social space similar to The Neighborhood?
    Can we play against another MP player and a guest on their console now? (i.e. 2 consoles, 3 players)
    Will AI Players in career mode be subject to the same entry requirements as you are?
    Can we add AIs to online societies?
    Any changes to ball and spin mechanics?
    Are online lobbies being added?
    Yeah...THAT Guy
    The post mentions that 2K has plans to do deep dives on some features so they may ignore some of the questions that they already plan to dive in deeper on, but...

    Outstanding work YTG! It's more readable here than it is on Reddit! That's a great list of questions, and ones that I'm sure it will take some head-scratchin' on.
    I just noticed there's one I need to add to it: During a Society tournament round, will the leaderboard take into account what hole the ghost players/balls in my group are playing, and not report their scores for up to 14 holes in advance of the hole they've just played?
    I'd already asked the question, "will a "perfect/slow" tempo still produce a power fade?", which *should* be an easy one for them to answer, but not explain if the answer is still "yes" :)
    bigkev
    My guess is that they're not playable at all because of the TGC Tour. You won't see them in career mode unless there's some sort of short game before the event just like in Tiger. You will be able to play against them in play now for strokes, match or skins games.

    Well, that cuts it then. If I can't play as Billy Andrade at the Greater Greensboro Open, I'm OUT! ;)
    pietasterp
    Well, that cuts it then. If I can't play as Billy Andrade at the Greater Greensboro Open, I'm OUT! ;)

    Rory's animations were very well done and that was a good part of why I enjoyed the game as long as I did. Can't imagine going thru the hassle and cost of creating tour players and then not let the user go into their Justin Thomas alter ego.
    I picked up a tidbit today from following John McCarthy (HB Studios) on Twitter. He will be doing the commentary in casual and society play rounds, just as he always has. The pro announcers, Rich Beem and Luke Elvy, are going to do the commentary for the PGA Career mode only. I think Rich and Luke will work out well in that capacity. I know many don't like to hear John when he comments, but I get a kick out of it, and an occasional benefit. Hopefully, his variety of clips will be expanded for 2K21.
    Between the commentary being different and the Pro's perhaps being fairly limited in how the human player can use them and/or play with them, etc..
    Sure seems like two very different experiences co-existing inside the same game.
    This really could have been a paid $30 DLC to the 2019 game.
    Cam Fan
    Can someone confirm whether or not the licensed pros are playable in 'Play Now' mode?

    They are not playable in any mode according to a correction that Polygon.com ran to their original story, in which they did say the pros were playable. Apparently 2K got in touch with them and told them to correct it. Here's the way the correction reads:
    "Correction: A previous version of this story indicated that PGA Tour 2K21 would allow people to play as the 12 real-life golfers in the game. That is not the case; a 2K Sports spokesperson clarified to Polygon that the pros will appear only as opponents in the career mode, and will not be playable. We’ve edited the article to reflect this."
    scagwi
    Between the commentary being different and the Pro's perhaps being fairly limited in how the human player can use them and/or play with them, etc..
    Sure seems like two very different experiences co-existing inside the same game.

    I personally hope it is two different experiences. I enjoy playing online multiplayer and Society play as my created character, free of any recognizable commentator. Now if I get recognizable PGA TOUR pros playing with me, I'm all for having a familiar TV broadcast voice.
    I really have no idea how they're going to execute the PGA TOUR Career mode, in pursuit of a FedEx Cup. Are they going only have the 12 featured pros and you compete against them in a series of challenges? Are you going to compete in medal play tournaments against a field of 12 featured pros ever 15 licensed PGA TOUR courses?? Are you going to compete against of field of 140 golfers, 128 of whom are offscreen scores at 15 licensed courses??? Are you going to compete in a 46 event tournament season in which you add the additional 31 courses from "others"???? There are all sorts of permutations with that.
    This really could have been a paid $30 DLC to the 2019 game.

    Not and call it "PGA TOUR 2K21". I think they're trying to re-purpose it as a new, more recognizable brand and from the reaction on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, that seems to be working. After watching Respawn's excellent breakdown of the trailer video today on YouTube, I'm thinking there might be more to this game than I originally thought.
    I've never seen this guy before, but he knows the game better than most of the preview/blogger types. It's like 43 minutes, but its a professional, informative job, IMO.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQe4DmZFayE&feature=youtu.be
    OnlookerDelay

    Not and call it "PGA TOUR 2K21". I think they're trying to re-purpose it as a new, more recognizable brand and from the reaction on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, that seems to be working.

    I think they're trying to charge a full $60-70 for a DLC pack and the re-branding is helping people convince themselves otherwise.
    :59:
    I'm not really even blaming them, to be fair here.
    This is just "par for the course" in mainstream sports games - sadly.
    I wish they were taking this opportunity to switch the model to ongoing releases and a mandatory subscription. It serves all interests better when they work on it progressively and just keep adding and fixing and not try to work up to a single release like 2K21...because after it's been released for a bit, they'll dump it, stop updating it (again - like 2019) and moved on to work on 2k23/24/etc
    bigkev
    The more I read about the game, the more it looks like I'll stick with TW14.

    So far, with what I'm interested in learning about, I've yet to see any useful information.
    All of my curiousity revolves around the gameplay and physics and swing, etc, etc.
    If this game has 3 click and a good MP lobby I will get the deluxe edition. The MP in the other versions i played was definitely lacking. As far as 3 click i think they are alienating quite a large player base if they don't include it, and missing on a big chance to grow the franchise. I like choices or options as a player and I'm sure i would mess around with other swing types, but don't want to be locked in. Plus the variation in controllers is huge. I remember one of the TW games i couldn't hit the ball straight if someone gave me a million dollars. I had to use my backup 3rd party controller one day and i couldn't miss a swing. On PC its even worse with some of the settings you can tweak on controllers. It's like back in the Links days debate of its edging cheating with the powerstroke swing... Anyways in summary 3 click will be a buy from me and no 3 click will either be a bargain bin by or just a plain pass for me.
    Jitter1127
    If this game has 3 click

    I don't think it will have 3C, sorry. This is still all HB on the game dev work here.
    The only hope is if 2k literally told them to build a 3C and put it in there, simply for wider appeal and accessibility. If it's only up to HB - there will never be 3C.
    Jitter1127
    Anyways in summary 3 click will be a buy from me and no 3 click will either be a bargain bin by or just a plain pass for me.

    The good news on that front is that every version of this game so far has ended up on mega-sales a few months after release and I fully expect that to be the case again.
    If one is patient (or just hesitant), I'm fairly certain there will be some large discounts to take advantage of and procure a copy.
    I kept telling myself that about 2019 but I'd seen enough in advance that when the sales came around, I didn't even want it.
    Jitter1127
    If this game has 3 click

    It will not have 3-click.
    and a good MP lobby I will get the deluxe edition.

    We don't have an answer on the MP lobby yet, but I'll truly be surprised if there is one. This is one of the questions that Kelson will be posing to 2K on Tuesday.
    On PC its even worse with some of the settings you can tweak on controllers. It's like back in the Links days debate of its edging cheating with the powerstroke swing...

    This is why I restrict myself to playing Societies with like-minded gamers like myself and private matches against others who I know don't adulterate their controllers. I occasionally play randoms in public matchmaking, but I can tell within a couple of holes if their using a disabled axis controller. I don't beat myself up when I lose to someone using beginner clubs and a disbled axis controller, but they immediately go to my "blocked player" list.
    OnlookerDelay
    They are not playable in any mode according to a correction that Polygon.com ran to their original story, in which they did say the pros were playable. Apparently 2K got in touch with them and told them to correct it. Here's the way the correction reads:
    "Correction: A previous version of this story indicated that PGA Tour 2K21 would allow people to play as the 12 real-life golfers in the game. That is not the case; a 2K Sports spokesperson clarified to Polygon that the pros will appear only as opponents in the career mode, and will not be playable. We’ve edited the article to reflect this."

    This is difficult to fathom a game with licensed athletes that are not playable....in 2020....in any mode.
    scagwi
    I think they're trying to charge a full $60-70 for a DLC pack and the re-branding is helping people convince themselves otherwise.
    :59:
    I'm not really even blaming them, to be fair here.
    This is just "par for the course" in mainstream sports games - sadly.

    I'm not ready to call it a DLC pack yet, but it looks like it's going to be a while before I can make an informed judgement on that, but I admit I'm seeing this through fanboy goggles.
    I'm not sure what you mean by the 're-branding is helping people convince themselves otherwise'? Are you saying the price is helping people convince themselves that it is or is not a DLC pack, or that it's convincing people not to buy the game, or DLC pack, depending on your perspective?
    I wish they were taking this opportunity to switch the model to ongoing releases and a mandatory subscription. It serves all interests better when they work on it progressively and just keep adding and fixing and not try to work up to a single release like 2K21...because after it's been released for a bit, they'll dump it, stop updating it (again - like 2019) and moved on to work on 2k23/24/etc

    With 2K steering the ship right now, I think any thoughts of a subscription model are out the window. They don't have anything like it. I think what's going to happen now that 2K has apparently taken the lead role is to get them to use a new, more powerful gaming engine. 2K can afford to equip them with one, but can HB Studios pick right up with the Eco-Motion (like NBA 2K20 uses) engine and run with it? I have no clue. If that does happen, I would think it would take at least three years for them to have a product ready for market with the new engine.
    Cam Fan
    This is difficult to fathom a game with licensed athletes that are not playable....in 2020....in any mode.

    I think it boils down to $$. The license to play as them would have probably exceeded their budget. That's the only rational explanation I can offer anyway.
    OnlookerDelay
    I'm not sure what you mean by the 're-branding is helping people convince themselves otherwise'? Are you saying the price is helping people convince themselves that it is or is not a DLC pack, or that it's convincing people not to buy the game, or DLC pack, depending on your perspective?

    I was directly referring to your quote below..
    OnlookerDelay
    I think they're trying to re-purpose it as a new, more recognizable brand and from the reaction on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, that seems to be working.

    ..in that I think it's helping convince people - particularly if one is a fan and admittedly likely a bit easier to convince - that more is happening here than really is (potentially anyhow). As you said above, it's hard to definitively say either way, particularly since the "full details" was so "not full details" yesterday.
    Side rant:
    God I hate PR done like this.
    Don't say "full details" but then immediately not give full details and tell us that information will be coming out over time up until release. We all probably would have guessed that yesterday wouldn't really be "full details" - but it just irritates me when they even try to pitch it that way.
    All of this smokescreen is just to extract pre-order money -- yet they haven't said a peep about changes from 2019 yet and are leaving people to dig and pry and stalk people on Twitter to try to find out basic answers to things.
    (yes - I'm aware of Kelson's AMA - we'll see how substantive the replies are there - I'm skeptical that it won't just be more PR speak)
    Pre-order all anyone wants - of course - I've just never understood why a consumer would really do it. Even if you are 99% sure you'll buy it -- it's a pretty tiny benefit to remove your only optionality and just "buy it" now.
    Based upon their total lack of communication the last 18 month after abandoning TGC2019, I see no reason to reward them with pre-order money when the information continues to be far too tightly guarded.
    Have some consumer backbone guys. It's not a fan club -- it's a business transaction with a large company (2k -- HB is a smaller one, yes)
    scagwi
    Is that confirmed or just a hunch based upon HB's normal stance on 3c?

    One of the devs in the last couple of years firmly said that 3-click was not part of their core vision for the game, in response to a forum member's question about it. I've heard them reiterate that multiple times since the game's inception.
    I remember late in development of the original title, they were not going to have mouse support in the PC version of the game. They changed their minds on that in the last two months prior to release and added it. The mouse performance reflects that, IMO. It's the worst mouse implementation I've every used in a golf game, well, with 1 and 2. I never tried it with TGC 2019, but I read as many complaints about it as 1 and 2, although there are a few hardcore elites who say it's the only way to play.
    scagwi
    I was directly referring to your quote below..
    ..in that I think it's helping convince people - particularly if one is a fan and admittedly likely a bit easier to convince - that more is happening here than really is (potentially anyhow). As you said above, it's hard to definitely say either way, particularly since the "full details" was so "not full details" yesterday.

    Okay, yeah... the reaction I'm seeing there is that this is a brand new game that's fully 2K. It shows me how label and brand conscious the majority of the consumers are... that really surprised me that they didn't know this is mostly a retitled, older game.
    OnlookerDelay
    Okay, yeah... the reaction I'm seeing there is that this is a brand new game that's fully 2K. It shows me how label and brand conscious the majority of the consumers are... that really surprised me that they didn't know this is mostly a retitled, older game.

    Agreed - I've noticed that also.
    For all the fans of TGC being so convinced the game was known and popular, it sure seems like a ton of mainstream gamers had no clue HB or TGC even existed.
    OnlookerDelay
    I think it boils down to $$. The license to play as them would have probably exceeded their budget. That's the only rational explanation I can offer anyway.

    Then I would have at given players a creation suite like AO2. It's what makes the replay value stretch sooooo much further. I can't justify forking over $60 for what amounts to a DLC.
    scagwi

    Don't say "full details" but then immediately not give full details and tell us that information will be coming out over time up until release. We all probably would have guessed that yesterday wouldn't really be "full details" - but it just irritates me when they even try to pitch it that way.

    I had a feeling when I read that "Full Details" that it wasn't going to be. It actually fell short of what I thought they'd release. If they'd have just said "More Details Coming May 14", I'd have been fine with it.
    All of this smokescreen is just to extract pre-order money -- yet they haven't said a peep about changes from 2019 yet.

    I'd say it is, but sadly, it seems to be working. Heck, even I haven't placed an order for it yet, but I don't see where there's any advantage to order it now.
    Pre-order all anyone wants - of course - I've just never understood why a consumer would really do it. Even if you are 99% sure you'll buy it -- it's a pretty tiny benefit to remove your only optionality and just "buy it" now.

    Unless they were offering some kind of incentive to pre-order this early, there is no reason to do it. You could buy it two minutes before it's ready to download on the 21st of August just as ready to download it on the 21st!?
    OnlookerDelay
    One of the devs in the last couple of years firmly said that 3-click was not part of their core vision for the game, in response to a forum member's question about it. I've heard them reiterate that multiple times since the game's inception.
    I remember late in development of the original title, they were not going to have mouse support in the PC version of the game. They changed their minds on that in the last two months prior to release and added it. The mouse performance reflects that, IMO. It's the worst mouse implementation I've every used in a golf game, well, with 1 and 2. I never tried it with TGC 2019, but I read as many complaints about it as 1 and 2, although there are a few hardcore elites who say it's the only way to play.

    Thx - To me it's a mistake not to have 3C, particularly with it fully going more mainstream now.
    Don't get me wrong - I dropped 3C like 20 years ago, but I totally get that some love it and play that way, to this day, in various golf games.
    More ways to play = more interested consumers = better for the bottom line.
    scagwi
    Thx - To me it's a mistake not to have 3C, particularly with it fully going more mainstream now.
    Don't get me wrong - I dropped 3C like 20 years ago, but I totally get that some love it and play that way, to this day, in various golf games.
    More ways to play = more interested consumers = better for the bottom line.

    I think they would grow their PC market by ~10% if they offered 3-click. I got the impression from their posture on it that it would trifurcate their user base by offering it. They've already bifurcated it with the last minute add-on of analog mouse control, but I don't think it's played by more than 5% of the PC userbase, if that. Again though, it's a horrible mouse interface that would frustrate the most determined gamer, IMO. I would hope they could do better with 3-click, if they tried to, but I don't see it happening unless 2K strongarms them.
    Another article that drives a dagger into the heart of my career mode hopes for this game:
    "Beyond the names, the pros themselves give the career mode more of a structure – something I thought The Golf Club 2019 needed. The pros form the basis of the Tour's challenges and rewards, so hopefully playing through the Tour feels more dramatic than going up against a bunch of randos on the leaderboard from week to week."
    https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2020/05/14/the-same-golf-club-you-know-and-love
    As I assumed...and feared...the career mode sounds more like Tiger Challenges than an actual career mode, per se. Ugh.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Another article that drives a dagger into the heart of my career mode hopes for this game:
    "Beyond the names, the pros themselves give the career mode more of a structure – something I thought The Golf Club 2019 needed. The pros form the basis of the Tour's challenges and rewards, so hopefully playing through the Tour feels more dramatic than going up against a bunch of randos on the leaderboard from week to week."
    https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2020/05/14/the-same-golf-club-you-know-and-love
    As I assumed...and feared...the career mode sounds more like Tiger Challenges than an actual career mode, per se. Ugh.

    That certainly doesn't sound like anything I would think of as being a PGA TOUR career mode... (sigh), I hate that for you because I know how much you value a realistic season type setting. What a waste of the talents of Luke Elvy and Rich Beem if that's all they're contributions are being tied to!?
    This makes me think now that the offline society/career mode is going to be like the one we have now, in TGC 2019, where you're pitted against a speadsheet of fictional golfers, whose profile shots look like something out of the Night of The Living Dead?
    I'll wait until we get more specifics before I totally give up on the career/offline mode options, but this doesn't bode well so far.
    Waiting on more details but from the looks of things this is a reduced price sale buy if that. Who is paying to keep the servers up for 19 anyone know? With 2k now involved in a big way I don't see why they wouldn't at some point in the near future shutting the old game down. You gonna play offline with a severely limited course selection?
    This seems a bit dissapointing so far.
    -Trailer to appeal to the "hype gods" and tweets that have the fire emoji.
    -non playable players, especially in offline just blows. Good thing I'm keeping TW14.
    So far this just seems like a cash grab. They will have promoted tweets with players and Ronnie2k saying
    "I cant wait to hit the links with Justin Thomas in PGA 2k21"
    So far this thing seems like a waste of time and effort for a half-baked version of what was already quite well accomplished in TW series and Rory w/ their close ties to the PGA. Should have just continued to refine TGC2019 and scrap the PGA tour connection outright which is a very loose connection at that in this franchise. Hopefully the servers for TGC2019 will stay alive a while longer.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Waiting on more details but from the looks of things this is a reduced price sale buy if that. Who is paying to keep the servers up for 19 anyone know? With 2k now involved in a big way I don't see why they wouldn't at some point in the near future shutting the old game down. You gonna play offline with a severely limited course selection?

    This is a really good question. Are the servers still up for TGC and TGC2? Playing the selection of courses available seems to depend on servers being up and running, right?
    I guess I never really thought about what would happen when server support gets pulled for these games, especially if course selection depends on active servers being available.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    This is a really good question. Are the servers still up for TGC and TGC2? Playing the selection of courses available seems to depend on servers being up and running, right?
    I guess I never really thought about what would happen when server support gets pulled for these games, especially if course selection depends on active servers being available.

    TGCTours seems alive and well which may help keep the power on. I have no idea how many other access players like myself who play w/ just one partner online. As we play ~4 18 holes rounds weekly I'd be more than happy to pay $50/year to be able to continue doing this w/ TGC2019.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    This is a really good question. Are the servers still up for TGC and TGC2? Playing the selection of courses available seems to depend on servers being up and running, right?

    Yes, even the original TGC is still running on server. I went in there a couple of months ago to get some of the PS trophy I was missing.
    They won't stop 2019, course designers will be encouraged to move their courses to the new game. Now if HB was moving to a new engine, that would be another thing as all those courses could be lost like it was the case with EA when they moved to Frosbite.
    bigkev
    They will move to the new game, like they did in the past.

    This is true. That said, I did see the TGC Tours Twitter account say they'd finish their current season on TGC 2019 before making the move to the new game.
    I guess the current season only overlaps the release of 2K21 by a couple weeks, so that makes sense.
    I really hope they have an option to create your swing. Or at least be able to pick a pro players swing. It would be a major fail if everyone had the same basic golf swing. That is just not realistic
    EddieBarrell
    I really hope they have an option to create your swing. Or at least be able to pick a pro players swing. It would be a major fail if everyone had the same basic golf swing. That is just not realistic

    My money is on "no" to all of that
    EddieBarrell
    I really hope they have an option to create your swing. Or at least be able to pick a pro players swing. It would be a major fail if everyone had the same basic golf swing. That is just not realistic

    I'd be delighted if they just did a couple of really first class animations of world class golf swings, even if they were not know tour pros.
    EddieBarrell
    I really hope they have an option to create your swing. Or at least be able to pick a pro players swing. It would be a major fail if everyone had the same basic golf swing. That is just not realistic

    scagwi
    My money is on "no" to all of that

    I agree with scagwi, I think we're still going to have Kirk Oguri's mocap swing for ALL the male golfers and Jessica Carafiello's for the female.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Another article that drives a dagger into the heart of my career mode hopes for this game:
    "Beyond the names, the pros themselves give the career mode more of a structure – something I thought The Golf Club 2019 needed. The pros form the basis of the Tour's challenges and rewards, so hopefully playing through the Tour feels more dramatic than going up against a bunch of randos on the leaderboard from week to week."
    https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2020/05/14/the-same-golf-club-you-know-and-love
    As I assumed...and feared...the career mode sounds more like Tiger Challenges than an actual career mode, per se. Ugh.

    I started a new thread in the official forum concerning the Career mode in 2K21, but it hasn't gotten but one bite so far. I posted a follow up post to my OP and I think it points to a line in a Eurogamer.net article about the game that's seemingly going to put a serious damper on what they're calling a career mode. I left the door open for it to possibly be followed up by HB Studios on, but I think they're going to wait for their deep dive feature on career mode to spill the rest of the (apparently) gloomy beans.
    Here's a link to the thread, if you're intersted: http://www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,30250.0.html
    I'm pretty sure it's going to be a combination of the old career mode they used to have and some kind of Tiger challenges before the tournaments like they had on the latest TW game. You won't be able to play as them but you'll play against one of them. A nice touch would be if you were playing against the pro during the entire tournament. In TW13, we were doing that against Tiger when taking over number 1 from him.
    My tail's wagging, but I want more information on what's new and/or improved in the course creator (like laying water in particular...I hate that blue bar that I always have to cover up with rocks).
    bigkev
    A nice touch would be if you were playing against the pro during the entire tournament.

    I'm hoping that once you do unlock all the pros, you can play a season or at least the 15 licensed PGA TOUR courses, with the OPTION of playing along with a featured pro. Then after 36 holes, you should be paired with whichever featured pro is closest to you on the leaderboard... all of this with the option to play the round by yourself at point.
    Lieutenant Dan
    My tail's wagging, but I want more information on what's new and/or improved in the course creator (like laying water in particular...I hate that blue bar that I always have to cover up with rocks).

    I have a strong hunch that they are going to do a feature, either video or article, on the course creator.
    Sounds like déjà vu... EA used their combat game to promote Rory with a full battlefield course. It looks like 2K is going to use their WWE game to bring some of those guys in.
    bigkev
    Sounds like déjà vu... EA used their combat game to promote Rory with a full battlefield course. It looks like 2K is going to use their WWE game to bring some of those guys in.

    Yep, the Paracel Storm par 3 course. It was...interesting. Not to mention the fact that "Battlefield Soldier" was a playable character, too.
    That whole situation didn't work so well for EA...wonder how this will work for 2K.
    bigkev
    Sounds like déjà vu... EA used their combat game to promote Rory with a full battlefield course. It looks like 2K is going to use their WWE game to bring some of those guys in.

    We might be looking at this from the wrong angle; perhaps Justin Thomas is going to be added as a DLC wrestler to WWE 2020? :)
    OnlookerDelay
    We might be looking at this from the wrong angle; perhaps Justin Thomas is going to be added as a DLC wrestler to WWE 2020? :)

    Now that would be hilarious...you could play as JT in a WWE game, but not play as him in PGA Tour 2K21.
    Well it does have "Tee/Off" on the image... is it too much of a stretch to think we might watch these two play some PGA TOUR 2K21 in online multiplayer? That would certainly redeem what a first glance *seems* to be a debacle, if true!
    OnlookerDelay
    We might be looking at this from the wrong angle; perhaps Justin Thomas is going to be added as a DLC wrestler to WWE 2020? :)

    You're still looking at it wrong, "The Miz's" rights were cheaper so you can play as him in 2k21, not JT.
    binga30
    Still bummed that the swing is the same generic one, why can't we customise our swing?
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    I read that it's because HB Studios and 2K aren't willing to part with the cash needed for the additional mocap sessions. They run something like $4,000 a day plus $20 a second for data solving + re-targeting. They spent hundreds of thousand of dollars on the mocaps they're using now of Kirk Oguri and Jessica Carafiello, from TGC 2. I guess they're trying to get all the bang for the buck they can out of that.
    OnlookerDelay
    I read that it's because HB Studios and 2K aren't willing to part with the cash needed for the additional mocap sessions. They run something like $4,000 a day plus $20 a second for data solving + re-targeting. They spent hundreds of thousand of dollars on the mocaps they're using now of Kirk Oguri and Jessica Carafiello, from TGC 2. I guess they're trying to get all the bang for the buck they can out of that.

    They milked that dog to death. Gotta be a guy walking the streets of Halifax with a better swing than that FFS.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    They milked that dog to death. Gotta be a guy walking the streets of Halifax with a better swing than that FFS.

    I think they got ripped off in that motion capture session. I watched Kirk Oguri swinging the club while they were filming him in their feature video about it, and his left arm wasn't bent to anywhere near the degree seen in the game.
    After watching the Taylormade Driving Relief 2020 last week, I now wish they had Matthew Woff's swing mocapped in 2K21; that would give the game some personality! :)
    OnlookerDelay
    I think they got ripped off in that motion capture session. I watched Kirk Oguri swinging the club while they were filming him in their feature video about it, and his left arm wasn't bent to anywhere near the degree seen in the game.

    You mean his left shoulder didn't completely separate from his entire body on the follow-through? ;)
    OnlookerDelay

    After watching the Taylormade Driving Relief 2020 last week, I now wish they had Matthew Woff's swing mocapped in 2K21; that would give the game some personality! :)

    In all seriousness, this is why mo-capping pro swings matters. In the ancient PC versions of PGA Tour Golf 20+ years ago (god, I'm old....), they didn't even have mo-cap technology at that time but they animated the pro's swings accurately, and that was the whole reason to play as certain guys. I mean, if Fred Couples' swing was accurately mo-capped into the game, would anyone play with any other guy?
    pietasterp
    You mean his left shoulder didn't completely separate from his entire body on the follow-through? ;)

    I'll have to go back and watch that feature again, I wasn't looking for the shoulder separation before! :)
    In all seriousness, this is why mo-capping pro swings matters. In the ancient PC versions of PGA Tour Golf 20+ years ago (god, I'm old....), they didn't even have mo-cap technology at that time but they animated the pro's swings accurately, and that was the whole reason to play as certain guys. I mean, if Fred Couples' swing was accurately mo-capped into the game, would anyone play with any other guy?

    I don't know how the older EA games did it either. They weren't as fluid looking as the mocap swings we've had since 2006, but they were distinctive and got the job done. And Freddie's swing was poetry in motion to me, but I still think Steve Elkington has the best one I've ever seen.
    Im probably looking at it from a selfish perspective, I apologise. But surely they could grab some amateur golfer who would offer their services for free to do the mo-cap. I guess EA has all the tech stuff so it don't cost them much. Why doesn't JT invest in this game and pull a few strings to get it to the next level. This game only needs half the stuff we want and it will be set for the next decade.
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    MrArlingtonBeach
    And it only says you play against the pros...no mention of actually playing as them in any way, shape, or form.
    The preorder listings for this game say it'll cost $60. In a stacked release window with what seems to be minimal gameplay enhancements and very little detail about the career mode, this is a tough sell. No mention of majors being included, new real courses look like additional TPC tracks (Twin Cities, Louisiana and San Antonio looked to be in there)...that doesn't do a whole lot for me.
    Granted, the inclusion of lots of real brands of gear and equipment is great, as is the customization abilities for your MyPlayer. That seems pretty solid.

    Not being able to play as one of the pros is a HUGE HUGE L for me. If that’s the case, will keep me from buying.
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    MrArlingtonBeach
    TGC 2019 did not...to have real pros on leaderboards, you had to manually add 300 some names and edit all their faces.

    I’d be happy with just the names typed in. That would take 5 seconds for a dev.
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    I don't know how the older EA games did it either. They weren't as fluid looking as the mocap swings we've had since 2006, but they were distinctive and got the job done. And Freddie's swing was poetry in motion to me, but I still think Steve Elkington has the best one I've ever seen.

    My guess is since the games were 2-D, they just overlaid sprites onto a video of the golfer's swing? I don't know...I think I might just be making stuff up at this point.
    Agree on Elkington - buttery smooth.
    For me, the top swings ever go: Couples, Ernie Els, young Phil Mickelson. I could watch any of those guys swing a dead cat for hours on YouTube.
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    I'll have to go back and watch that feature again, I wasn't looking for the shoulder separation before! :)
    I don't know how the older EA games did it either. They weren't as fluid looking as the mocap swings we've had since 2006, but they were distinctive and got the job done. And Freddie's swing was poetry in motion to me, but I still think Steve Elkington has the best one I've ever seen.

    Snead and Littler for me.
    binga30
    Im probably looking at it from a selfish perspective, I apologise. But surely they could grab some amateur golfer who would offer their services for free to do the mo-cap. I guess EA has all the tech stuff so it don't cost them much. Why doesn't JT invest in this game and pull a few strings to get it to the next level. This game only needs half the stuff we want and it will be set for the next decade.
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    Would you ever buy another one if the game was perfect?
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Probably can't even use their name I guess.

    This has got to be it...a licensing issue. It does blow my mind though that EA was able to get pretty much everybody's name in the leader boards for previous golf games. I am spending a lot of time with Tiger Woods 14, and see the "who's who" of names like Phil Mickelson, Rory McIlroy, Dustin Johnson, Justin Rose, etc. on the leader boards week in and week out.
    Even more impressive is how they were able to get hundreds of guys names to populate the EA Sports World Golf Rankings list. It has over 200 players on it, and names on there are pretty obscure but all still taken from real life.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Would you ever buy another one if the game was perfect?
    I may be in the minority, but if a great game came out, yes I'd buy the next version without question.
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    binga30
    I may be in the minority, but if a great game came out, yes I'd buy the next version without question.
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure if a phenomenal game were released, pretty much everyone would buy any follow-up game.
    Also, apropos of nothing, the guy from the original "Leaderboard Golf" on the Commodore64 had a great swing!

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