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Official Madden NFL 19 Player Ratings Revealed - Here Are the Top Players at Each Position

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Official Madden NFL 19 Player Ratings Revealed - Here Are the Top Players at Each Position

The official Madden NFL 19 player ratings have been revealed for every player in the league. Check them out here.

We’ve posted the top players at each position below. Let us know what you think!

Top Rated Quarterbacks

Top Rated Running Backs

Top Rated Fullbacks

Top Rated Wide Receivers

Top Rated Tight Ends

Top Rated Left Tackles

Top Rated Left Guards

Top Rated Centers

Top Rated Right Guards

Top Rated Right Tackles

Top Rated Left Ends

Top Rated Defensive Tackles

Top Rated Right Ends

Top Rated LOLBs

Top Rated MLBs

Top Rated ROLBs

Top Rated Cornerbacks

Top Rated Free Safeties

Top Rated Strong Safeties

Top Rated Punters

Top Rated Kickers

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  1. underdog13
    Homer Alert:
    Jordan Howard being the 19th best RB is a shame.
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    19th best on the Bears? Sounds about right. :D
    (sorry....I have this completely unjustified revulsion to Jordan Howard...)
    JoshC1977
    19th best on the Bears? Sounds about right. :D
    (sorry....I have this completely unjustified revulsion to Jordan Howard...)

    Just curious, but why?
    underdog13
    Homer Alert:
    Jordan Howard being the 19th best RB is a shame.
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    Homer Alert here as well...how is Trubisky rated 3 points less than he was when last year's ratings came out?
    JKennedy87
    Ok who is gonna get this into an excel spreadsheet like previous years?

    I second this. Going to be nice to get started on my rating edits. Pasta Padre I know did it last yr or had a link for it.
    reyes the roof
    Homer Alert here as well...how is Trubisky rated 3 points less than he was when last year's ratings came out?

    Probably because he wasn't good last year. I think that was mostly John Fox (similar to Goff/Jeff Fisher), but he doesn't deserve to be ranked any higher.
    reyes the roof
    Homer Alert here as well...how is Trubisky rated 3 points less than he was when last year's ratings came out?

    I'll tell you the same thing I told the guys on reddit. There is no metric by which Trubisky was not absolutely awful last season. His yards per attempt were less than 5.5!
    If he doesn't improve markedly there won't even be a market for him as a back up once his rookie deal is up.
    stinkubus
    I'll tell you the same thing I told the guys on reddit. There is no metric by which Trubisky was not absolutely awful last season. His yards per attempt were less than 5.5!
    If he doesn't improve markedly there won't even be a market for him as a back up once his rookie deal is up.

    Spot on. He wasn't used much early on as they seemed terrified to let him even drop back to pass (. Once they let him pass he underwhelmed greatly. He looked much like Goff 2 years ago. In no way is he dead in the water, but he will need to show improvement (which he should with Nagy and better supporting cast). I'd venture to guess by week 8 he is rated higher than he currently is.
    Also in CFM, he is only 23 so he will/should be easy to upgrade.
    JoshC1977
    19th best on the Bears? Sounds about right. :D
    (sorry....I have this completely unjustified revulsion to Jordan Howard...)
    Haha that's fine, there are some guys I hate too and usually for petty reasons.
    However slightly different topic, doesn't it seem like HB ovr's are way too high?
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    underdog13
    Haha that's fine, there are some guys I hate too and usually for petty reasons.
    However slightly different topic, doesn't it seem like HB ovr's are way too high?
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    Yes. Just as an example, I thought having Marshawn Lynch at 85 was insane. Averaged 4.3 a carry last year, looked slow, didn't impact much. Seems like every team will have an 80+ rated RB which is insane to me.
    JKennedy87
    Probably because he wasn't good last year. I think that was mostly John Fox (similar to Goff/Jeff Fisher), but he doesn't deserve to be ranked any higher.
    My gripe is how did he get worse from the last ratings update of 18 to today? I wouldn't care if they rated him a 50 as long as he didn't end last season above that.
    reyes the roof
    My gripe is how did he get worse from the last ratings update of 18 to today? I wouldn't care if they rated him a 50 as long as he didn't end last season above that.

    Guessing to make sure he wasn't rated higher than certain QBs.
    reyes the roof
    My gripe is how did he get worse from the last ratings update of 18 to today? I wouldn't care if they rated him a 50 as long as he didn't end last season above that.
    They could have either lowered qb ratings across the board. Or the new QB ratings have lowered is Ovr
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    underdog13
    Haha that's fine, there are some guys I hate too and usually for petty reasons.
    However slightly different topic, doesn't it seem like HB ovr's are way too high?
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    Exactly, glad you understand :)
    To your different topic; yeah I noticed that too. There is a huge bolus of guys in the mid-80s to high 70s range. Wondering how much the archetype system will play into this though. Intriguing....
    JayhawkerStL
    Homer alert:
    Pat Mahomes got screwed. He's a 77 OVR vs Mayfield being an 81?
    :confused:

    In fairness, they always overrate rookies and Mayfield was more accurate and won more in college. Either way, once you start a CFM those ratings wont matter.
    Donnel Pumphrey was a 4th round pick of the Eagles last year, looked bad in camp, dreadful in the preseason, only made the team cause he got hurt and was put on IR. not expected to make the team this year. somehow maintains a ridiculously optimistic 75 OVR making him still one of the best young backup runningbacks in the game.
    it makes no sense
    I am pretty happy with the way the rest of the Eagles roster is rated though.
    Bigtime sleeper IMO:
    Giants rookie QB Kyle Lauletta
    79 SPD
    86 ACC (should be higher, go look at shuttle)
    91 THP
    84 SAC
    82 MAC
    76 DAC
    68 CAR (+3 over Lamar)
    73 JKM
    I may be Giants and move on from Eli mid-season. This kid could be legit, loved him at Senior Bowl etc.
    BleedGreen710
    Donnel Pumphrey was a 4th round pick of the Eagles last year, looked bad in camp, dreadful in the preseason, only made the team cause he got hurt and was put on IR. not expected to make the team this year. somehow maintains a ridiculously optimistic 75 OVR making him still one of the best young backup runningbacks in the game.
    it makes no sense
    I am pretty happy with the way the rest of the Eagles roster is rated though.

    I'm wondering if they somehow updated the overall calc for RBs? If I remember, I might try to enter the M19 ratings into M18 and see how if they give the same overall number.
    JoshC1977
    I'm wondering if they somehow updated the overall calc for RBs? If I remember, I might try to enter the M19 ratings into M18 and see how if they give the same overall number.

    well they did add a 'break tackle' rating this year.
    Biggest Snub, K Greg Zuerlein Rams
    madden got him as 13th best Kicker(80 OVR)
    Best kicker in the NFL last year, would’ve broken the “most points in a season” record if didn’t miss 2 games
    38/40 95% FG
    JKennedy87
    In fairness, they always overrate rookies and Mayfield was more accurate and won more in college. Either way, once you start a CFM those ratings wont matter.

    Probably won't even play a CFM. At most, I play a single season.
    I'm not overly worried, the ratings are what they are. Mahomes could very well have a very humbling season. For all of his upsides, it may take him a year or two to keep INTs down.
    But Mahomes was groomed by the perfect QB and Head Coach for a year. Alex Smith is the perfect guy to learn how to protect the ball from, and every single indication is that Mahomes was an absolute study hound. And then he proceeded to lead the Chiefs to a Week 17 win by mounting a 4th quarter drive for a game wining FG over Denver.
    I'm not saying he needs to be a 90+ or anything, but there is no way Mayfield will be more ready on days one of the season than Mahomes. Hell, if they OVRs were reversed, I'd be happy. It's Mahomes accuracy ratings that are holding him down, and I think he will be better in that area. At the same time, if he proves him self, he could skyrocket, because his his other ratings are so high, boosting his accuracy will probably see a pretty big jump in his OVR.
    Regardless, he's got a 97 throwing power and 83 deep ball accuracy, 84 TOR, 83 break sack, and 87 ACC and 88 AGI. It's his 78 accuracy in short and medium passes, and a 78 throw under pressure that are holding him down. If those go up, he will be a beast. Of course, some of the other ratings may go down.
    He's still going to be fun to play with.
    underdog13
    Did they? I didn't see it in the OS article
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    yes, I guess it didnt make those articles because technically its not a new rating, its one they got rid of and now they put it back.
    you can sort the ratings in the original post by break tackle (BTK)
    StL_RamZ
    Biggest Snub, K Greg Zuerlein Rams
    madden got him as 13th best Kicker(80 OVR)
    Best kicker in the NFL last year, would’ve broken the “most points in a season” record if didn’t miss 2 games
    38/40 95% FG

    this one has me the most baffled, he arguably the best kicker in the league
    StL_RamZ
    Biggest Snub, K Greg Zuerlein Rams
    madden got him as 13th best Kicker(80 OVR)
    Best kicker in the NFL last year, would’ve broken the “most points in a season” record if didn’t miss 2 games
    38/40 95% FG

    Criminal that they have SeaBass ahead of him.. practically the least accurate kicker in football.. 23rd of 25 kickers that qualify.. only Nick Folk and Mason Crosby are worse
    .. ironically, they got Crosby right (77)
    BleedGreen710
    well they did add a 'break tackle' rating this year.

    That’s right ! I’d bet money that this is factoring into it then. The individual ratings themselves don’t seem all that different than before....but I haven’t dug super deep.
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    ThePwnStar49
    Jamal Agnew was All Pro last yr as a return man. They have 90,,, not an exaggeration, 90 players with a higher return rating.

    In M18 that rating only indicated the player's chance of cleanly fielding the ball. In over 1000 games played I never once had anyone, regardless of their RET rating, fail to field a kick off. The only muffed punts I experienced were on those ridiculous 20 yard kicks that the AI would put up.
    I feel pretty confident in declaring that metric useless and it probably only exists to bolster the player's OVR so the AI will better value return men and actually put them at #1 on the KR/PR depth chart instead of someone else who sucks but has slightly better SPD.
    JayhawkerStL
    Probably won't even play a CFM. At most, I play a single season.
    I'm not overly worried, the ratings are what they are. Mahomes could very well have a very humbling season. For all of his upsides, it may take him a year or two to keep INTs down.
    But Mahomes was groomed by the perfect QB and Head Coach for a year. Alex Smith is the perfect guy to learn how to protect the ball from, and every single indication is that Mahomes was an absolute study hound. And then he proceeded to lead the Chiefs to a Week 17 win by mounting a 4th quarter drive for a game wining FG over Denver.
    I'm not saying he needs to be a 90+ or anything, but there is no way Mayfield will be more ready on days one of the season than Mahomes. Hell, if they OVRs were reversed, I'd be happy. It's Mahomes accuracy ratings that are holding him down, and I think he will be better in that area. At the same time, if he proves him self, he could skyrocket, because his his other ratings are so high, boosting his accuracy will probably see a pretty big jump in his OVR.
    Regardless, he's got a 97 throwing power and 83 deep ball accuracy, 84 TOR, 83 break sack, and 87 ACC and 88 AGI. It's his 78 accuracy in short and medium passes, and a 78 throw under pressure that are holding him down. If those go up, he will be a beast. Of course, some of the other ratings may go down.
    He's still going to be fun to play with.

    Nice assessment. His short accuracy is actually 83, with medium and deep 78. A little bump would be nice.
    stinkubus
    In M18 that rating only indicated the player's chance of cleanly fielding the ball. In over 1000 games played I never once had anyone, regardless of their RET rating, fail to field a kick off. The only muffed punts I experienced were on those ridiculous 20 yard kicks that the AI would put up.
    I feel pretty confident in declaring that metric useless and it probably only exists to bolster the player's OVR so the AI will better value return men and actually put them at #1 on the KR/PR depth chart instead of someone else who sucks but has slightly better SPD.

    Has to be <65 for muffs to start to trigger
    I took the list of teams with players at 73+, 80+, and 90+ and did the math to see what teams have the best roster by making the OVRs worth 1, 3, or 5 points, respectively.
    Madden thinks football is going to suck in New York this year.
    San Fran 49rs 31 13 2 = 80
    Chicago Bears 34 15 1 = 84
    Cincy Bengals 30 12 2 = 76
    Buffalo Bills 28 11 2 = 71
    Denver Broncos 33 16 1 = 86
    Cleveland Browns 35 17 0 = 86
    Tampa Buccs 31 15 2 = 86
    Arizona Cards 28 10 2 = 68
    LA Chargers 33 18 4 = 97
    KC Chiefs 34 15 3 = 94
    Indy Colts 31 11 0 = 63
    Dallas Cowboys 32 17 7 = 118
    Miami Dolphins 34 12 1 = 80
    Philly Eagles 34 27 9 = 142
    Atlanta Falcons 32 23 5 = 80
    NY Giants 22 12 2 = 68
    Jax jaguars 31 19 5 = 103
    NY Jets 30 9 0 = 57
    Detroit Lions 34 15 1 = 89
    GB Packers 30 15 3 = 90
    Carolina Panthers 31 15 2 = 86
    NE Pats 43 22 3 = 124
    Oakland Raiders 37 18 1 = 96
    LA Rams 25 17 4 = 96
    Baltimore Ravens 38 15 1 = 88
    Washington Redskins 29 15 3 = 89
    New Orleans Saints 36 21 4 = 119
    Seattle Seahawks 31 12 5 = 82
    Pitt Steelers 30 15 3 = 90
    Houston Texans 27 12 4 = 83
    Tennessee Titans 33 18 1 = 92
    Minny Vikings 29 15 5 = 89
    khaliib
    Has to be <65 for muffs to start to trigger

    So then there's basically no such thing as a muff unless you are dumb enough to put someone completely ill suited to the task back there? I'm feeling vindicated in calling the rating useless.
    stinkubus
    So then there's basically no such thing as a muff unless you are dumb enough to put someone completely ill suited to the task back there? I'm feeling vindicated in calling the rating useless.

    Well I want simulation so I want that element added to the ST’s area.
    But this is an element not everyone wants in their gameplay.
    khaliib
    Well I want simulation so I want that element added to the ST’s area.
    But this is an element not everyone wants in their gameplay.

    Will your roster have that element?
    JayhawkerStL
    I took the list of teams with players at 73+, 80+, and 90+ and did the math to see what teams have the best roster by making the OVRs worth 1, 3, or 5 points, respectively.
    Madden thinks football is going to suck in New York this year.
    San Fran 49rs 31 13 2 = 80
    Chicago Bears 34 15 1 = 84
    Cincy Bengals 30 12 2 = 76
    Buffalo Bills 28 11 2 = 71
    Denver Broncos 33 16 1 = 86
    Cleveland Browns 35 17 0 = 86
    Tampa Buccs 31 15 2 = 86
    Arizona Cards 28 10 2 = 68
    LA Chargers 33 18 4 = 97
    KC Chiefs 34 15 3 = 94
    Indy Colts 31 11 0 = 63
    Dallas Cowboys 32 17 7 = 118
    Miami Dolphins 34 12 1 = 75
    Philly Eagles 34 27 9 = 160
    Atlanta Falcons 32 23 5 = 80
    NY Giants 22 12 2 = 44
    Jax jaguars 31 19 5 = 103
    NY Jets 30 9 0 = 57
    Detroit Lions 34 15 1 = 84
    GB Packers 30 15 3 = 90
    Carolina Panthers 31 15 2 = 86
    NE Pats 43 22 3 = 134
    Oakland Raiders 37 18 1 = 96
    LA Rams 25 17 4 = 96
    Baltimore Ravens 38 15 1 = 88
    Washington Redskins 29 15 3 = 89
    New Orleans Saints 36 21 4 = 119
    Seattle Seahawks 31 12 5 = 82
    Pitt Steelers 30 15 3 = 90
    Houston Texans 27 12 4 = 83
    Tennessee Titans 33 18 1 = 92
    Minny Vikings 29 15 5 = 89

    By that method, the best teams in the league are...
    Saints, Rams, Raiders, Patriots, Jaguars, Eagles, Cowboys and Chargers.
    Aside from the inclusion of Dallas, id say that list is fairly accurate.
    Everyone seems so hung-up on the OVR ratings, including EA. Remember, the OVR is NOT the best way to know what I player can do on the field. That number WILL change in franchise based on the scheme and player type.
    I do not know the schemes breakdown per team or the archetype for each player, but that should have an impact on OVRs in CFM.
    So, just because Baker Mayfield is an 81 OVR, that is most likely without scheme taken into account. I am guessing that is based off of the old OVR formula. So the difference between Mayfield and Wentz or Mahommes will be largely dependent on scheme and archetype (if done as EA stated)
    BleedGreen710
    Donnel Pumphrey was a 4th round pick of the Eagles last year, looked bad in camp, dreadful in the preseason, only made the team cause he got hurt and was put on IR. not expected to make the team this year. somehow maintains a ridiculously optimistic 75 OVR making him still one of the best young backup runningbacks in the game.
    it makes no sense
    I am pretty happy with the way the rest of the Eagles roster is rated though.
    Carson and lane could be higher
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    soonermagic88
    Madden ratings... Smh. Orlando Brown at 90 strength and higher run block than pass block.
    Proof that whoever does these ratings just doesn't give a F***
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    Normally I would defer to someone like you who watched him a heck of a lot more than I did just checking a few of his games and mostly highlights.
    From what I saw it looked like his abilities as a power run blocker were just as good if not better than his ability to block the bullrush. I see the incredible limitations he has as a lead blocker and zone blocker, but his ability to move and punish and finish the man right across from him was what I thought would translate most in the NFL.
    His pass protection was too shaky and far too often was excused as "still getting the job done" when he barely got Baker enough time to throw, in a quick passing offense. I think his ratings are absolutely perfect and reflect what some scouts think, that he will make his living as a Power Run RT.
    Sure his pass blocking production was great in college, but I think it was inflated by both the offensive system, the great QB play of Baker, and his size.
    Let me know what you think bro.
    BleedGreen710
    this one has me the most baffled, he arguably the best kicker in the league

    Justin Tucker is the best kicker in the league and I don't think its close or arguable.
    Ravens fan tho...
    I have started a community roster in hopes of a good outcome on the Madden subreddit. Any extra help is appreciated.
    I can't post the link since I am too new of a member, so if someone could it would be great.
    Ok how in the hell is Lane Taylor and Corey Linsley rated so damn low. Packers issue on OL is the right side not the left. Silly Madden. Our DL is going to be next to impossible to run on though. Clark, Daniel's, and Wilkerson all 94+ str.
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    Madden08PCgmr
    Criminal that they have SeaBass ahead of him.. practically the least accurate kicker in football.. 23rd of 25 kickers that qualify.. only Nick Folk and Mason Crosby are worse
    .. ironically, they got Crosby right (77)
    Most of Crosby's missed were from 50+ though. He is pretty accurate inside 50.
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    manEATgod
    Normally I would defer to someone like you who watched him a heck of a lot more than I did just checking a few of his games and mostly highlights.
    From what I saw it looked like his abilities as a power run blocker were just as good if not better than his ability to block the bullrush. I see the incredible limitations he has as a lead blocker and zone blocker, but his ability to move and punish and finish the man right across from him was what I thought would translate most in the NFL.
    His pass protection was too shaky and far too often was excused as "still getting the job done" when he barely got Baker enough time to throw, in a quick passing offense. I think his ratings are absolutely perfect and reflect what some scouts think, that he will make his living as a Power Run RT.
    Sure his pass blocking production was great in college, but I think it was inflated by both the offensive system, the great QB play of Baker, and his size.
    Let me know what you think bro.
    I think the biggest thing that stood out to me was the strength stat. He's big, HUGE and that was enough to move around some guys in college, but not in the NFL. I know the bench isn't the end all indicator of strength, but i think it needs to be reflected in his ratings. 80 tops as far as strength goes.
    As far as blocking, i think he absolutely has to be rated higher as a pass blocker. 1 sack allowed in his last 2 years combined. That's insane, I don't care what system you are in or who your qb is. He was getting the best pass rusher from every team last year and still did not allow a sack.
    I'm a big fan of Orlando's, just think that at the NFL level, he doesn't justify these ratings, not yet anyway.
    This wasn't meant to be a knock on brown, but a knock on maddens ratings/rater
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    Mitch Trubisky @ 74 is a joke. How he go from a 75 last roster last year to a 74. How'd he lose a point in the offseason? As a die hard Bears fan who has seen every snap of this kid's career a 74 is pretty bad. They had Mike Glennon rated higher preseason last year. lol QB's who havent even taken a snap in the NFL have higher ratings. They are talking about it on CSN Chicago and they said...
    "probably some scumbag Packer fan doing these ratings"...I lol'd
    The Special Teams first team ALL PRO (Not Probowl) for last season and league leader in nearly every Punt return statistic is rated 81 for returns OI EA!
    I feel if they just let the community do the ratings it would turn out better than this. I'd happily contribute free of charge, but it makes me feel like they didn't even watch the Lions ever or read an article or look at a box score.
    A guy like Abdullah (who I love) is 82 some how despite not having a single good game and being demoted to backup while our starting LT whos in top third in league is rated in the 70's.
    CT Pittbull
    Mitch Trubisky @ 74 is a joke. How he go from a 75 last roster last year to a 74. How'd he lose a point in the offseason? As a die hard Bears fan who has seen every snap of this kid's career a 74 is pretty bad. They had Mike Glennon rated higher preseason last year. lol QB's who havent even taken a snap in the NFL have higher ratings. They are talking about it on CSN Chicago and they said...
    "probably some scumbag Packer fan doing these ratings"...I lol'd
    Because he sucks? I lol'd on draft day when the Bears made that mistake.
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    Godgers12
    Because he sucks? I lol'd on draft day when the Bears made that mistake.
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    The NFL is really the world's greatest source of unintentional comedy. When the Bears pulled the trigger on that trade I thought I had seen everything.
    Then the very next season the Bills say, "hold my beer." They get themselves a nice haul for passing on Mahommes last year, and then proceed to dump all of those assets and then some for Josh Allen and some magic beans.
    DaReal Milticket
    He's played one year (not the whole yr) with no WRs or a decent coach.... Its usually around yr three when you actually know what you have at the QB position.

    Pretty much. Hard to do well when you are starting Tre McBride, Josh Bellamy, and Dontrell Inman at WR. Not to mention running a high school run, run, pass offense. Well see, but i think this is going to be a much different year for Trubisky and the Bears offense.
    CT Pittbull
    Pretty much. Hard to do well when you are starting Tre McBride, Josh Bellamy, and Dontrell Inman at WR. Not to mention running a high school run, run, pass offense. Well see, but i think this is going to be a much different year for Trubisky and the Bears offense.

    Agreed, I dont want to get the thread off topic.He wasnt even suppose to start last yr, but Glennon was so gawd awful they didnt have a choice. Looking forward to this season. Tough schedule
    soonermagic88

    As far as blocking, i think he absolutely has to be rated higher as a pass blocker. 1 sack allowed in his last 2 years combined. That's insane, I don't care what system you are in or who your qb is. He was getting the best pass rusher from every team last year and still did not allow a sack.
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    I think 83 power pass block is fine for him. I'm very happy with his base blocking stats thus far and I hope he doesn't screw it up before we lock in the rosters for my 32 man CFM.
    DaReal Milticket
    He's played one year (not the whole yr) with no WRs or a decent coach.... Its usually around yr three when you actually know what you have at the QB position.

    Totally understand your position, but it's not like EA can inflate his ratings because receivers and coaching suck. They can only grade him on what he did on the field.
    A few Texans notes: Andre Hal who has always been JAG, maybe slightly above average, is an 87 for some reason. Then there's Mercilus, who was a legitimate impact player, is only an 81.
    I normally could careless about ratings. However, I'm tired of the disrespect that Madden and media keep giving Larry Fitzgerald. I mean go look at his numbers. He has over 100 catches 2 straight years with sh*t qb's, but Madden has him an 89 overall behind some of the most overrated a**es in the league. I mean wtf.* I wish he had a real qb for his whole career. Probably be first in catches right now instead of 3rd all time. Dude catches everything. Ok I'm done bit*hing :D
    People need to learn to put their personal bias aside when it comes to ratings in sports games. Everyone’s first reaction is always “why didn’t the 3 guys on my team get rated higher? Idc about the rest but omg why those guys?”
    With that said mode of these ratings are pretty weird and hopefully change drastically when the game drops. But it always seems like EA doesn’t really do their research when it comes to ratings specifically.
    Another thing people need to understand, this is all about the marketing on EA's part.
    OVR's do diddly on the field, have nothing to do with the action on the field.
    You certainly have NFL players and teams discussing their ratings on Twitter.
    I am quite sure this same discussion will go on for 17 straight weeks once the regular season begins.
    Other Guy
    Totally understand your position, but it's not like EA can inflate his ratings because receivers and coaching suck. They can only grade him on what he did on the field.
    A few Texans notes: Andre Hal who has always been JAG, maybe slightly above average, is an 87 for some reason. Then there's Mercilus, who was a legitimate impact player, is only an 81.

    My response was to someone who said he sucks in real life. As far has his overall in the game I think its fine. Overalls dont mean anything its the individual ratings.
    burter
    I normally could careless about ratings. However, I'm tired of the disrespect that Madden and media keep giving Larry Fitzgerald. I mean go look at his numbers. He has over 100 catches 2 straight years with sh*t qb's, but Madden has him an 89 overall behind some of the most overrated a**es in the league. I mean wtf.* I wish he had a real qb for his whole career. Probably be first in catches right now instead of 3rd all time. Dude catches everything. Ok I'm done bit*hing :D

    How could 89 overall be disrespectful? :jpshakehe
    Only 10 WR in the league are "better" than him despite his age of 35! In WR attributes he may have the highest ratings throughout except maybe Antonio Brown.
    His only weakness is speed, but I don't think you want to tell me that he is one of the fastest guys in the league at age 83.
    And I really don't know what to think about if guys complain about a top 10 position rating...
    Anyway, guys here complain about kicker ratings and kick returner ratings. So EA has done a really outstanding job, if these are the only problems...
    underdog13
    Homer Alert:
    Jordan Howard being the 19th best RB is a shame.
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    My Homer Alert (Steelers)-
    I'll never understand why they continue to keep CB Cameron Sutton at a 69 Overall after how well he played last year.
    And CB Mike Hilton's speed... but even more crazy is dropping Ryan Shazier's speed. The guy is crazy fast. I know he was almost paralyzed but jeez.
    steelheat226
    My Homer Alert (Steelers)-
    I'll never understand why they continue to keep CB Cameron Sutton at a 69 Overall after how well he played last year.
    And CB Mike Hilton's speed... but even more crazy is dropping Ryan Shazier's speed. The guy is crazy fast. I know he was almost paralyzed but jeez.

    Hate to be "that guy" but pretty sure Shazier won't be moving fast anytime soon.
    manEATgod
    Justin Tucker is the best kicker in the league and I don't think its close or arguable.
    Ravens fan tho...

    I bit my tongue earlier when I saw him mention anyone other than Tucker being the best kicker in the league...I hate the Ravens but Tucker is definitely in my opinion the best kicker in the league. So no, you're not biased lol.
    JKennedy87
    Hate to be "that guy" but pretty sure Shazier won't be moving fast anytime soon.

    Yeah I made sure to note that... but still. He should atleast in my opinion be left where he was only with the IR logo next to his name. If that's the case they should lower his strength & all that too. He won't play for a year at the minimum(if at all) so hey mind as well lower his awareness since he'll be rusty.
    I don't understand why ratings are so limited and close together. Makes no sense to me at all. I also hate the whole "overall means nothing" arguments. For anyone who plays offline CFM overall means everything to the cpu. It may not mean as much on the field, but it is the driving force behind every roster move the AI will make so it matters a lot.
    At least with having editable draft classes now it is much more feasible to edit the rosters before I start a CFM so I can get what I desire as I'll have the ability to make the draft classes match my roster. Hopefully a roster editing tool is created rather quickly for PC users.
    canes21
    I don't understand why ratings are so limited and close together. Makes no sense to me at all. I also hate the whole "overall means nothing" arguments. For anyone who plays offline CFM overall means everything to the cpu. It may not mean as much on the field, but it is the driving force behind every roster move the AI will make so it matters a lot.
    At least with having editable draft classes now it is much more feasible to edit the rosters before I start a CFM so I can get what I desire as I'll have the ability to make the draft classes match my roster. Hopefully a roster editing tool is created rather quickly for PC users.

    This.
    The entire "OVR means nothing" argument is completely negated when the AI decides to sign Blake Bortles, an 81 overall, to a five year deal, opting to start him over their newly drafted stud 79 OVR QB with Superstar dev. They go 5-11 for three seasons, QB falls into FA, Bortles resigned.
    This isn't necessarily an issue with other games either, I've watched The Show AI accurately identify prospects and have made trade moves so that player is no longer position blocked. I've also seen 2K AI favor young players over vets through rebuilds. Madden just doesn't do it...
    canes21
    I don't understand why ratings are so limited and close together. Makes no sense to me at all. I also hate the whole "overall means nothing" arguments. For anyone who plays offline CFM overall means everything to the cpu. It may not mean as much on the field, but it is the driving force behind every roster move the AI will make so it matters a lot.
    At least with having editable draft classes now it is much more feasible to edit the rosters before I start a CFM so I can get what I desire as I'll have the ability to make the draft classes match my roster. Hopefully a roster editing tool is created rather quickly for PC users.

    Agree with this, my whole point, overall doesn't do anything on the field, franchise mode, you bet it affects a lot. I just feel a lot of people feel it's a comparative analysis on the field, why is my guy only such and such, while rivals teams is higher/lower.
    I am sure the OVR's will change throughout the season and I am sure there are some good roster makers out there.
    I’m having trouble wrapping my head around “overall doesn’t mean anything” argument also. I’ll use Jordan Howard as an example because that his overall is the one I question the most out of the ones I’ve noticed. If EA is giving him the 19th best overall for Runningbacks how is this not saying as far as straight up ratings go he’s the 19th best in the league?
    canes21
    I don't understand why ratings are so limited and close together. Makes no sense to me at all. I also hate the whole "overall means nothing" arguments. For anyone who plays offline CFM overall means everything to the cpu. It may not mean as much on the field, but it is the driving force behind every roster move the AI will make so it matters a lot.
    At least with having editable draft classes now it is much more feasible to edit the rosters before I start a CFM so I can get what I desire as I'll have the ability to make the draft classes match my roster. Hopefully a roster editing tool is created rather quickly for PC users.

    You keep noting your displeasure about the ratings when we have yet to get the final build to see how the “reworked” formulas for ratings will be that Clint has noted have been redone.
    Shouldn’t we wait until we get the game in our hands before we cliff jump on what is/isn’t dealing with the game?
    OVR’s are not the driving force behind AI roster building, matter fact, it’s a very small piece used in the management process.
    - There’s a lot more under the hood that we don’t see on the front end that makes up what the AI does in the roster management area.
    It’s a two-way street also.
    I can guarantee if you put out your edited roster, there will be folks that don’t like what they see in your build and probably express the same sentiment that your edits don’t make sense.
    - Especially when the Scheme Fit/Archetype application takes your front end “80” OVR rated player and drops him down to a “74” OVR inside CFM.
    I don't understand why Madden has yet to add LS as a position. It makes no sense to include it as a Depth Chart position, but then, make most of the Long Snappers a TE with a rating so low that in franchise, they will be cut.
    Either make it an actual part of the game ("if it's in the game it's in the game") or just forget about it and have a C be the default LS with no depth chart edit ability.
    khaliib
    You keep noting your displeasure about the ratings when we have yet to get the final build to see how the “reworked” formulas for ratings will be that Clint has noted have been redone.
    Shouldn’t we wait until we get the game in our hands before we cliff jump on what is/isn’t dealing with the game?
    OVR’s are not the driving force behind AI roster building, matter fact, it’s a very small piece used in the management process.
    - There’s a lot more under the hood that we don’t see on the front end that makes up what the AI does in the roster management area.
    It’s a two-way street also.
    I can guarantee if you put out your edited roster, there will be folks that don’t like what they see in your build and probably express the same sentiment that your edits don’t make sense.
    - Especially when the Scheme Fit/Archetype application takes your front end “80” OVR rated player and drops him down to a “74” OVR inside CFM.

    The Madden ratings have not been spread out for quite a while I don't think they have done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt either, we can make a pretty solid assumption most players will feel the same when seeing the narrow ratings
    khaliib

    - There’s a lot more under the hood that we don’t see on the front end that makes up what the AI does in the roster management area.

    Respectfully, 100% doubt this. As someone who has ran 30+ seasons in CFM over the last two years of Madden, there's not one particular instance I said, "hey the AI made a smart, creative, educated move, that benefited the current state of their team, not based on the current OVR's of their players."
    Every single roster move I watch is completely based on the OVR, it's ridiculously shallow. Even AI drafting, which should be the absolute LAST thing determined by OVR's, is subject to OVR. The Pats needs are OLine, CB, and WR? The AI drafts the best overall prospect who is a QB. The Pats need those guys in FA? Nope, they'll sign a HB because they have the cash and he's the best OVR.
    You can tell me all you want that it's "under the hood" and "things you don't see", but I won't believe it, not one bit. That's giving the devs too much credit that likely isn't warranted.
    Waiting for this to be fixed in Madden 19 is sticking my head in the sandbox...it's a massive overhaul issue, not a tune and fix situation.
    canes21
    I don't understand why ratings are so limited and close together. Makes no sense to me at all. I also hate the whole "overall means nothing" arguments. For anyone who plays offline CFM overall means everything to the cpu. It may not mean as much on the field, but it is the driving force behind every roster move the AI will make so it matters a lot.
    At least with having editable draft classes now it is much more feasible to edit the rosters before I start a CFM so I can get what I desire as I'll have the ability to make the draft classes match my roster. Hopefully a roster editing tool is created rather quickly for PC users.
    They're going to place the ratings to where they need to be to get the players to play like themselves.
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    Just as much as people "don't get the OVR means nothing ( I did state clearly on the field action), you can't tell anyone 100% doubt this, especially to Khaliib.
    There isn't anyone on OS that unmasks, uncovers and does a deep dives with ratings and their meanings as much as Khaliib does.
    I am sure there are a lot of stuff under the hood we don't understand and see.
    Has nothing to do with giving EA the benefit of the doubt or giving them too much credit, I've seen the AI roster management as well, too over the years and it's not pretty.
    khaliib
    You keep noting your displeasure about the ratings when we have yet to get the final build to see how the “reworked” formulas for ratings will be that Clint has noted have been redone.
    Shouldn’t we wait until we get the game in our hands before we cliff jump on what is/isn’t dealing with the game?
    OVR’s are not the driving force behind AI roster building, matter fact, it’s a very small piece used in the management process.
    - There’s a lot more under the hood that we don’t see on the front end that makes up what the AI does in the roster management area.
    It’s a two-way street also.
    I can guarantee if you put out your edited roster, there will be folks that don’t like what they see in your build and probably express the same sentiment that your edits don’t make sense.
    - Especially when the Scheme Fit/Archetype application takes your front end “80” OVR rated player and drops him down to a “74” OVR inside CFM.

    Khaliib, I'm obviously going to defer to you on the stuff that you see that I can't, but I do have a question for you re: roster management and OVR.
    I've run season one through FA and the draft several times. I routinely see teams signing a FA and/or drafting over any QB below 85 OVR, regardless of draft status or performance. I routinely saw vets like Palmer and young guys like Watson, Wentz, Garoppolo (after being dealt to SF), Kizer (who doesn't suck in Madden) and even Dak, get buried by a FA signing or a draft pick in ways that made zero sense. For whatever reason, Trubisky seemed exempt from this pheomenon, but all the other guys were routinely displaced.
    What I discovered was that I could forestall this displacement by artificially inflating their OVR to at least 85 just prior to FA. This tactic worked every time as a means of "protecting" a QB who should be starting for his team.
    This suggests to me that OVR is in fact the sole factor driving roster management, at least for the QB position. How do you account for and explain that? It seems unlikely that these observations are simply coincidence, but I know I'm only seeing a tiny slice of the pie here.
    I would like to know more about how roster management works so I can help direct the process a bit more if I want or need to.
    Pretty sure there is plenty of " under the hood" stuff going on , hidden ratings such as loyalty etc , coach tendencies that supposedly influence roster management etc
    The fact is though , none of this actually appears to do anything concrete , most ( all?) Cpu roster moves are still governed by OVR to the point where other influences can be ( largely ) ignored
    Furthermore whilst linking the archetypes to progression is a positive change, these were essentially already in the game , as player types within the coach scheme , as far as CPU roster management was concerned ( ie varying OVR by scheme for each team ) only slightly deeper with multiple options for positions such as WR where a single archetype is inadequate to represent any NFL offence etc
    I'm a little confused on a few of these ratings as most people are. The one that stands out the most to me is Malik Hooker. His overall is 78, good for 25th overall in the league. Show me a GM that would take 25 FS over him. His zone rating is a 79, and not in the top 20 FS in zone coverage it appears. A 78 overall rating is pretty low for a guy that was proving to be the legit center field ball hawk everyone predicted he would be. Had 3 ints in 3 games straight.
    What baffles me most is TJ Green is rated the same overall, has an 80 zone and 77 catching (2 higher than Hookers 75). He has never had an INT in his career and has been notoriously bad in coverage as well. Hooker looks like one of the mediocre options at safety and TJ Green looks like one of the best young safeties in the NFL according to those ratings. Should be the other way around.
    I leave ratings as they are, especially now that EA updates them throughout the season. We all think our favorite players are going to play at or above our perception of how good they will be. I think Pat Mahomes is going to be a superstar, for example. But we also realize that over and over, many players fail to live up to their ratings. Mahomes might throw 30 INTs and 4 TDs this season.
    So when I play, I just assume the guys that are underrated are guys that just don't play to the level I assumed they would, and just move on. Because, in reality, Madden and other AAA sports games never replicate players just being really, really bad for a season, almost out of the blue, even though this is an annual occurrence.
    I think they should just hide the ratings, and just rank players by class. Maybe we have Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Elite. No ratings, but just an idea how good a player is supposed to be. Then they should apply an algorithm that tanks x% of players' ratings, so they have terrible seasons, and boosts a x% of lower class players into a great ratings, all based on historical trends. Maybe some players they just tank for 2 or 3 games, without letting you know. Maybe they boost a back-up HB that is in for an injured starter for one week, but then bring them back down.
    What revealed ratings do is screw up our expectations. We know the numbers for a WR and CB, but we know that in real life that it doesn't mean one wins every battle for the day, even if the talent level is very different. But when you know the ratings of both, and then see the better rated guy lose the battle, we call foul. But that is the wrong way to view a sports game, in my opinion.
    JayhawkerStL

    I think they should just hide the ratings, and just rank players by class. Maybe we have Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Elite. No ratings, but just an idea how good a player is supposed to be. Then they should apply an algorithm that tanks x% of players' ratings, so they have terrible seasons, and boosts a x% of lower class players into a great ratings, all based on historical trends. Maybe some players they just tank for 2 or 3 games, without letting you know. Maybe they boost a back-up HB that is in for an injured starter for one week, but then bring them back down.
    What revealed ratings do is screw up our expectations. We know the numbers for a WR and CB, but we know that in real life that it doesn't mean one wins every battle for the day, even if the talent level is very different. But when you know the ratings of both, and then see the better rated guy lose the battle, we call foul. But that is the wrong way to view a sports game, in my opinion.

    I like the idea of the " tanking/boosting algorhithm" and I'd certainly approve of a system that ' clouds' ratings , maybe based on the ability or otherwise of your scouting hires ( both for the draft and nfl scouting) for both user and CPU teams
    However I'd also like the option left in to see their true values if I chose at any point ( and I'd probably still edit to be honest , cant help myself )
    Trojan Man
    Khaliib, I'm obviously going to defer to you on the stuff that you see that I can't, but I do have a question for you re: roster management and OVR.
    I've run season one through FA and the draft several times. I routinely see teams signing a FA and/or drafting over any QB below 85 OVR, regardless of draft status or performance. I routinely saw vets like Palmer and young guys like Watson, Wentz, Garoppolo (after being dealt to SF), Kizer (who doesn't suck in Madden) and even Dak, get buried by a FA signing or a draft pick in ways that made zero sense. For whatever reason, Trubisky seemed exempt from this pheomenon, but all the other guys were routinely displaced.
    What I discovered was that I could forestall this displacement by artificially inflating their OVR to at least 85 just prior to FA. This tactic worked every time as a means of "protecting" a QB who should be starting for his team.
    This suggests to me that OVR is in fact the sole factor driving roster management, at least for the QB position. How do you account for and explain that? It seems unlikely that these observations are simply coincidence, but I know I'm only seeing a tiny slice of the pie here.
    I would like to know more about how roster management works so I can help direct the process a bit more if I want or need to.

    I’ve expressed to the devs several years in a row, how loaded pre-rosters taken into CFM causes several issues to occur that do not occur when “all” default players are cycled out of the league with only generated players.
    - some have used the 75 man pre-roster
    Of course difficult to have a discussion surrounding internal game elements that’s not suppose to be out for public viewing.
    - “We’ll take a look was the end response”
    I can’t explain the why’s to your notation, but there are several elements used with roster management based on certain circumstances/criteria being met.
    - this includes player, coach , FA ,as well as season situation points.
    Clint said they’ve tuned Roster Management.
    We’ll just have to wait and see what the final game presents.
    khaliib
    You keep noting your displeasure about the ratings when we have yet to get the final build to see how the “reworked” formulas for ratings will be that Clint has noted have been redone.
    Shouldn’t we wait until we get the game in our hands before we cliff jump on what is/isn’t dealing with the game?

    No one is cliff jumping. Chill with the hyperbole because I am criticizing the ratings. Going off of EA's history I'm going to be surprised if these reworkings are anything noticeable. Is the difference between an 85 rating and an 80 finally going to mean something or not? If not, then that is why all players tend to feel the same because everyone is rated on 1/7th of the scale making it pointless to have any ratings below 75.
    OVR’s are not the driving force behind AI roster building, matter fact, it’s a very small piece used in the management process.
    - There’s a lot more under the hood that we don’t see on the front end that makes up what the AI does in the roster management area.

    Overalls have long been the driving force behind practically every AI decision. They never alter their depth charts to start a player with a lower overall if they are younger and could benefit from the experience. They draft way too many players in the draft that are 1 overall better than a current player just because of that overall difference. They do the same exact thing in free agency. The only thing overall doesn't directly impact, but still has a big hand in is contracts. They are randomized at times, but still based off of player rankings which are based off of overalls.
    It’s a two-way street also.
    I can guarantee if you put out your edited roster, there will be folks that don’t like what they see in your build and probably express the same sentiment that your edits don’t make sense.
    Nowhere did I act like my ratings would be perfect. I really don't understand the point of mentioning this as it's common sense. Seems like an attack just because I am criticizing the game.
    - Especially when the Scheme Fit/Archetype application takes your front end “80” OVR rated player and drops him down to a “74” OVR inside CFM.

    That doesn't change the fact that we have access to the ratings right now and can still see they are inflated very much and that there is still too little differentiation between the majority of players. The schemes will change the overall calculation, nothing else, so the archetype/fit doesn't have much to do with what I am criticizing at the moment.
    underdog13
    They're going to place the ratings to where they need to be to get the players to play like themselves.
    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

    "They" is a he. It's one man doing the job which by itself is a big issue. The players don't play like themselves because everyone is inflated in too many ratings to the point the overwhelming majority play identical. If they were rated to play like themselves Tom Brady wouldn't have such high throw power and on the flip side guys like Charles Clay would actually be a pretty good run blocking tight end. The ratings are a scrambled mess. If you bring it up to Kane on social media he gets defensive, blocks half of the criticizers(some rightfully so), and then makes contradicting statements to back up his ratings like Wentz being rated low because of injury, yet Sean Lee has been hurt for 3 decades now and still is a 96.
    Too many ratings, especially QB accuracy ratings are inflated to the point where there is no reason to go for a better QB than an 80 overall unless you have your sliders tuned to sub 20 accuracy. Then in other positions, like TE, the run blocking ratings seem so random and have no research behind them.
    roadman
    Injury has no bearing whatsoever on OVR confirmed by Equipt Guru.
    I will link the thread for further discussion.
    Also, he had help from a former player on coverage.
    Wentz has a SS dev. trait and is a top ten rated QB in the game.
    Answer on Jordan Howard as well.
    This just proves that we don't know a lot of stuff what goes on behind the curtains.
    https://twitter.com/Equipment_Guru/status/1017208202289704960

    What exactly is the proof there? That he had help from another person, only for COV ratings? Don’t know what that shows.
    Saying that INJ has no bearing on OVR formula is:
    A) contradicting when otherwise saying injuries play a role in someone’s ratings (Wentz)
    B) actually idiotic because injuries should definitely be a part of the formula. It is absurd that it is not. That way they would not have to manipulate ratings to “reflect” injuries to players. What exactly made Dont’a Hightower regress so much in his ratings if he was injured all year (but injuries don’t play a role)?
    Also, showing a player’s box score stats is a way to show what? That’s one click/search away from anyone. How about Kareem Hunt being the top RB in broken tackles by most metrics but somehow barely being top 10 in that rating? Where is the stat for that?
    I have seen people, specifically canes21, on this and other threads giving concrete examples of how OVR is a huge issue for CFM and those comments are met with:
    A) no concrete evidence to the contrary
    B) OVR is not that important
    C) let’s wait and see how M19 handles OVR/rosters in CFM
    And yet the people criticizing OVRs are the ones with the issue :y11:
    Edit: Note this is not directed at anyone, I quoted Roadman since his comment is the one referencing Kane’s twitter thread. I am all for believing in the hard work devs do to make the game as balanced as possible, but sometimes it seems like people are too willing to just accept the first thing they hear from a dev and any questioning of that is seen as an attack.
    stinkubus
    The NFL is really the world's greatest source of unintentional comedy. When the Bears pulled the trigger on that trade I thought I had seen everything.
    Then the very next season the Bills say, "hold my beer." They get themselves a nice haul for passing on Mahommes last year, and then proceed to dump all of those assets and then some for Josh Allen and some magic beans.

    Trubisky is going to have mvp season similar to Goff. You're probably same clown who called Goff s busy as well
    cuoreceltico
    Stafford overall less than luck, wentz and rivers??? WTF it is a joke?

    Stafford has terrible record vs good teams. If luck healthy he's def better. Wentz last year was better than Stafford ever been. Rivers actually brings his team to playoffs
    msdm27
    What exactly is the proof there? That he had help from another person, only for COV ratings? Don’t know what that shows.
    Saying that INJ has no bearing on OVR formula is:
    A) contradicting when otherwise saying injuries play a role in someone’s ratings (Wentz)
    B) actually idiotic because injuries should definitely be a part of the formula. It is absurd that it is not. That way they would not have to manipulate ratings to “reflect” injuries to players. What exactly made Dont’a Hightower regress so much in his ratings if he was injured all year (but injuries don’t play a role)?
    Also, showing a player’s box score stats is a way to show what? That’s one click/search away from anyone. How about Kareem Hunt being the top RB in broken tackles by most metrics but somehow barely being top 10 in that rating? Where is the stat for that?
    I have seen people, specifically canes21, on this and other threads giving concrete examples of how OVR is a huge issue for CFM and those comments are met with:
    A) no concrete evidence to the contrary
    B) OVR is not that important
    C) let’s wait and see how M19 handles OVR/rosters in CFM
    And yet the people criticizing OVRs are the ones with the issue :y11:
    Edit: Note this is not directed at anyone, I quoted Roadman since his comment is the one referencing Kane’s twitter thread. I am all for believing in the hard work devs do to make the game as balanced as possible, but sometimes it seems like people are too willing to just accept the first thing they hear from a dev and any questioning of that is seen as an attack.

    Yeah, man, don't kill the messenger. lol, j/k.
    Yeah, I agree, people have a right to question developers, but it's also alright to report the news and one would like to think that people representing the game don't come out and lie about the part of the game they are involved with.
    I'm trying to be as clear as possible without trying to repeat myself hundreds of times and I don't have the faintest idea where this get's lost in print and translation: I said OVR doesn't mean anything on the field. Not once did I mention anything about CFM and agreed it does have impact in CFM.
    Did Equipt Guru recognize Wentz OVR being affiliated with injuries in his thread?
    Wentz is in the top 10 qb's and has superstar dev trait, he isn't criminally underrated
    roadman
    Injury has no bearing whatsoever on OVR confirmed by Equipt Guru.
    I will link the thread for further discussion.
    Also, he had help from a former player on coverage.
    Wentz has a SS dev. trait and is a top ten rated QB in the game.
    Answer on Jordan Howard as well.
    This just proves that we don't know a lot of stuff what goes on behind the curtains.
    https://twitter.com/Equipment_Guru/status/1017208202289704960
    Thank you. Made me want to tear my hair out when people suggested ovr should be lower cause players get injuried.
    And fair point he made on Howard.
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    msdm27

    Saying that INJ has no bearing on OVR formula is:
    A) contradicting when otherwise saying injuries play a role in someone’s ratings (Wentz)
    B) actually idiotic because injuries should definitely be a part of the formula. It is absurd that it is not. That way they would not have to manipulate ratings to “reflect” injuries to players. What exactly made Dont’a Hightower regress so much in his ratings if he was injured all year (but injuries don’t play a role)?

    I think what is being stated here is that the INJ attribute , as assigned by Madden , has no impact in the OVR calculation , it's not part of the formula for any position , thus players perceived as " injury prone" ( sean Lee) don't have lower OVR than their attributes would otherwise reflect
    What Kane is NOT saying is that previous/ recent injury history hasn't been a factor when he has rated players for initial rosters
    he commonly drops players coming back from major injuries a few points in the physical attributes under such circumstances ( Ryan Shazier dropped a few speed points , JJ Watt etc) until they prove otherwise , which isn't at all unrealistic
    Inside CFM it used to be the case that INJ did become part of the OVR formula , to simulate teams being wary of signing " injury prone" players , not sure if this is still the case though . It certainly should be for free agency , but probably not for depth chart considerations
    Edit : side note
    They use PFF ratings heavily when rating players , particularly OL , a source I like personally but many here have problems with I gather
    Certainly one of PFFs weaknesses is it takes no account of players who are ' playing through injury' merely grading how that player actually is performing on the field ( understandable as they have no way to accurately quantify how much carrying an injury is affecting performance ... though it's often mentioned as a side note in their commentary articles/videos/podcasts)
    Wouldn't it be nice if CFM had a better injury system that could account for injury in a more realistic fashion : hint
    briz1046
    I think what is being stated here is that the INJ attribute , as assigned by Madden , has no impact in the OVR calculation , it's not part of the formula for any position , thus players perceived as " injury prone" ( sean Lee) don't have lower OVR than their attributes would otherwise reflect
    What Kane is NOT saying is that previous/ recent injury history hasn't been a factor when he has rated players for initial rosters
    he commonly drops players coming back from major injuries a few points in the physical attributes under such circumstances ( Ryan Shazier dropped a few speed points , JJ Watt etc) until they prove otherwise , which isn't at all unrealistic
    Inside CFM it used to be the case that INJ did become part of the OVR formula , to simulate teams being wary of signing " injury prone" players , not sure if this is still the case though . It certainly should be for free agency , but probably not for depth chart considerations
    Edit : side note
    They use PFF ratings heavily when rating players , particularly OL , a source I like personally but many here have problems with I gather
    Certainly one of PFFs weaknesses is it takes no account of players who are ' playing through injury' merely grading how that player actually is performing on the field ( understandable as they have no way to accurately quantify how much carrying an injury is affecting performance ... though it's often mentioned as a side note in their commentary articles/videos/podcasts)
    Wouldn't it be nice if CFM had a better injury system that could account for injury in a more realistic fashion : hint

    I agree with this post, my original comment regarding OVR is that, in my opinion, the INJ rating should be a part of the OVR calculation formula.
    Agreed that some players see their physical attributes diminished as a result of injury, but there are as many players that return from injury with their same physical skills but happen to keep getting injured; Dont’a Hightower is a great example here, when he is on the field he is great but gets injured all the time. This should be reflected somewhere (in CFM) when it comes to decision making and player value.
    My original point was also not regarding whether OVR means or doesn’t mean anything, it was rather about the lack of consistency/clarity on the methods used. Go back to the BTK and Kareem Hunt, there is no metric/data that justifies his rating, but them saying they watch tape is enough, I guess.
    msdm27

    My original point was also not regarding whether OVR means or doesn’t mean anything, it was rather about the lack of consistency/clarity on the methods used. Go back to the BTK and Kareem Hunt, there is no metric/data that justifies his rating, but them saying they watch tape is enough, I guess.

    They certainly do use data/ metrics for such ratings as BTK etc , I've seen them quote PFF on Twitter to justify a particular rating fairly often in the past
    However (without subscribing to the Elite package )these are now hidden behind the paywall I can neither verify or refute that there is anything there to back up any perceived anomaly regarding any particular player
    Edit: the corresponding PFF data would be yards gained after contact I'd assume
    Tough to put too much stock into the ratings when EA can't even get the positions correct. The Seahawks have two CBs listed at SS on the ratings dump. That is as simple as reading the team roster from their website. Don't really need to go too deep to get that right.
    briz1046
    They certainly do use data/ metrics for such ratings as BTK etc , I've seen them quote PFF on Twitter to justify a particular rating fairly often in the past
    However (without subscribing to the Elite package )these are now hidden behind the paywall I can neither verify or refute that there is anything there to back up any perceived anomaly regarding any particular player
    Edit: the corresponding PFF data would be yards gained after contact I'd assume

    I understand if people want to say that Tiburon doesn't use good data/metrics for ratings like break tackle, but for people to say they don't use any, is lazy and flat out false.
    Trojan Man
    It's kinda funny and kinda sad that this form letter exists...
    I do hope that they take some of the clapping back from special teamers and use it as a way to rethink how that aspect of the game is rendered in Madden.

    I respect the fact they ask the players to do homework and show evidence. How many actually do this? I suspect very few
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    manEATgod
    I understand if people want to say that Tiburon doesn't use good data/metrics for ratings like break tackle, but for people to say they don't use any, is lazy and flat out false.

    They pick and choose who to use it for. Look at the conversations on twitter. One second Kane is referencing PFF and the next second when someone questioning him references PFF he all of a sudden also uses tape or feelings to adjust players.
    If you're going to use data, be consistent with it. Don't pick and choose who you use it for. I'd like to know what data said Guice is an 89 speed and what data said Tom Brady has a 96 out of 99 arm when it comes to power.
    XxRnSxX
    Why’s that??

    I'll let their threads on the ratings speak for themselves. It's a nightmare over there when it comes to civil discussion.
    KANE699
    I'll let their threads on the ratings speak for themselves. It's a nightmare over there when it comes to civil discussion.

    Any comments or areas from this thread you would like to address up to this point?
    Man, this could be an ole fashioned interview? lol
    KANE699
    I'll let their threads on the ratings speak for themselves. It's a nightmare over there when it comes to civil discussion.

    Thumbs up to Mods here, because some would be the same like on Reddit if they allowed.
    So cudos to these folks for keeping things within proper rails around here.
    Also want you guys feel like this is a place you can come and get both sides of the fence without all the “knuckleheadness” thrown at you.
    Thx for the visits Kane and hopefully you can pass along the civil Atmosphere here to other fellow devs that they also are willing to stop through and chop it up with us.
    A lot of passionate, creative minds around here that really just want to help you guys with good, actionable feedback.
    Trojan Man
    It's kinda funny and kinda sad that this form letter exists...
    I do hope that they take some of the clapping back from special teamers and use it as a way to rethink how that aspect of the game is rendered in Madden.

    Right? I fully agree with you.
    SyncereBlackout
    I respect the fact they ask the players to do homework and show evidence. How many actually do this? I suspect very few
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    I’m all for them asking players for evidence if they feel their rating is low. But Agnew definitely deserves a higher rating.
    Granted I’ll fully admit I’m biased, but his tape, stats, and accolades from last year speak for themselves.
    Ky3217
    Right? I fully agree with you.
    I’m all for them asking players for evidence if they feel their rating is low. But Agnew definitely deserves a higher rating.
    Granted I’ll fully admit I’m biased, but his tape, stats, and accolades from last year speak for themselves.

    Agnew's return rating will be a 91 in the update.
    roadman
    Any comments or areas from this thread you would like to address up to this point?
    Man, this could be an ole fashioned interview? lol

    I can probably answer some things in shortened form based on the most common questions.
    KANE699
    I'll let their threads on the ratings speak for themselves. It's a nightmare over there when it comes to civil discussion.

    Define civil lol I have my thoughts on when someone says civil and what it equates to but I’ll just mind my business.
    canes21
    They pick and choose who to use it for. Look at the conversations on twitter. One second Kane is referencing PFF and the next second when someone questioning him references PFF he all of a sudden also uses tape or feelings to adjust players.
    If you're going to use data, be consistent with it. Don't pick and choose who you use it for. I'd like to know what data said Guice is an 89 speed and what data said Tom Brady has a 96 out of 99 arm when it comes to power.

    Stars do get the benefit of a fudge factor with some ratings, but that is the case with every sports game. Unless the numerical OVR goes away I don't expect this to ever change.
    KANE699
    I'll let their threads on the ratings speak for themselves. It's a nightmare over there when it comes to civil discussion.

    I think your doing a great job sir with the equipment & ratings.
    canes21
    They pick and choose who to use it for. Look at the conversations on twitter. One second Kane is referencing PFF and the next second when someone questioning him references PFF he all of a sudden also uses tape or feelings to adjust players.
    If you're going to use data, be consistent with it. Don't pick and choose who you use it for. I'd like to know what data said Guice is an 89 speed and what data said Tom Brady has a 96 out of 99 arm when it comes to power.

    Or perhaps he could've said I don't follow statistical data blindly but apply context and other information sources would that make it sound better ?
    Because tbh there is no metric or data that can be blindly adhered to without context , Madden ratings especially
    40 times do not equate directly to speed , even for rookies let alone somebody 5 years into a nfl career etc
    Madden ratings are a strange beast that try to reflect the present , whilst also paying due respect to the past and to some extent even predicting the the future , no reference site can directly correspond
    briz1046
    Or perhaps he could've said I don't follow statistical data blindly but apply context and other information sources would that make it sound better ?
    Because tbh there is no metric or data that can be blindly adhered to without context , Madden ratings especially
    40 times do not equate directly to speed , even for rookies let alone somebody 5 years into a nfl career etc
    Madden ratings are a strange beast that try to reflect the present , whilst also paying due respect to the past and reflecting the future , no reference site can directly correspond

    I think you are missing the point. I am not saying 40 times are the end all for determining speed. I've never alluded to that. My issue is the inconsistencies and the inflation to get certain players to certain overalls.
    I'll go back to Tom Brady. Why is his arm strength rated a 96? Why does arm strength only go as low as 79? Why not use more of the scale and accurately. Anyone who has watched Tom Brady over the last 3 years knows that arm isn't anywhere close to a 96 out of 99 when judging its strength.
    We still have Gronk rated like he is in his prime. He's an 83 run blocker while Charles Clay is a 63? Huh?? Sean Lee has an 83 injury rating? The guy can't breathe without missing a few games as a result. Sean Lee is also up points this year at a 96 overall. Ryan Kerrigan, a guy in JJ Watt and Von Miller territory, is an 87.
    There is way too much inconsistency with the ratings and I honestly think it boils down to having one man do the work(I guess he got some help from a former player this year). He's in over his head and it clearly shows in the ratings.
    KANE699
    I can probably answer some things in shortened form based on the most common questions.

    Obviously many gamers will want to edit rosters and monkey around with the Draft Class Editor.
    Is there anything we can do as a community of editors, to help push the idea to to whomever that can make it possible, to allow for a more User Friendly “Global Editing” functionality being added to the editing mechanism?
    It’s hell editing 2800+ players from the main menu, then tackling each 400+ Draft Class, 1 player at a time. lol
    Example:
    *this pic is not meant to throw 2k in your face, but to give a visual example of what’s being asked for.
    I haven't looked over all the ratings to figure everything out, but they should find a way to incorporate PFF outright, into the game. PFF would dish out the ratings based on their far more in depth analysis of every player, and would have their logos and such in the game. Similar to how Sparq was used in NCAA 14.

    Not sure how much PFF would want in terms of contract for this, but it would also be a huge platform for them to advertise their services on. Perhaps even having stuff linked into the game for people to buy PFF subscriptions and see their real NFL player ratings week by week in Madden.
    canes21
    I think you are missing the point. I am not saying 40 times are the end all for determining speed. I've never alluded to that. My issue is the inconsistencies and the inflation to get certain players to certain overalls.
    I'll go back to Tom Brady. Why is his arm strength rated a 96? Why does arm strength only go as low as 79? Why not use more of the scale and accurately. Anyone who has watched Tom Brady over the last 3 years knows that arm isn't anywhere close to a 96 out of 99 when judging its strength.
    We still have Gronk rated like he is in his prime. He's an 83 run blocker while Charles Clay is a 63? Huh?? Sean Lee has an 83 injury rating? The guy can't breathe without missing a few games as a result. Sean Lee is also up points this year at a 96 overall. Ryan Kerrigan, a guy in JJ Watt and Von Miller territory, is an 87.
    There is way too much inconsistency with the ratings and I honestly think it boils down to having one man do the work(I guess he got some help from a former player this year). He's in over his head and it clearly shows in the ratings.

    The speed reference was merely an example to attempt to highlight that even 100% reliable factual data can't necessarily be directly translated into a Madden rating , not because they aren't reliable but because of the nature of the Madden ratings as a beast
    I'm sure if you went through the nearly 3000 players and each 50 + ratings each player has you will find a few ( maybe a lot ?) that you disagree with , and in those cases I'd possibly agree with you , but I'd more ascribe that to human error or oversight
    Can't agree with you on Kerrigan though , he's a very good player but not in the class of either Watt or Miller , and whilst not directly comparable as players I'd say Lee ( injuries aside) was better
    I'd also say Gronk is a much better blockerthan clay, who id put more faith in as a receiver tbh ,surprised he's as high as 63 tbh
    canes21
    I think you are missing the point. I am not saying 40 times are the end all for determining speed. I've never alluded to that. My issue is the inconsistencies and the inflation to get certain players to certain overalls.
    I'll go back to Tom Brady. Why is his arm strength rated a 96? Why does arm strength only go as low as 79? Why not use more of the scale and accurately. Anyone who has watched Tom Brady over the last 3 years knows that arm isn't anywhere close to a 96 out of 99 when judging its strength.
    We still have Gronk rated like he is in his prime. He's an 83 run blocker while Charles Clay is a 63? Huh?? Sean Lee has an 83 injury rating? The guy can't breathe without missing a few games as a result. Sean Lee is also up points this year at a 96 overall. Ryan Kerrigan, a guy in JJ Watt and Von Miller territory, is an 87.
    There is way too much inconsistency with the ratings and I honestly think it boils down to having one man do the work(I guess he got some help from a former player this year). He's in over his head and it clearly shows in the ratings.

    I’m a Sim gamer.
    The can use whatever grading mechanism they want.
    Just want players to...
    1) play similiar to their likeness
    2) show some Player Differentiation during gameplay
    3) AI present some form of challenge to me as a gamer
    Stats can be as accurate, with every I dotted and T crossed, but if these three elements are not presented through the system EA uses (ie Ratings), it’s nothing more than a Text based simulation that just churning data out.
    Instead of doing this challeng of data ideology against the guy, I think it would be more advantageous to ask “what will the different THP levels produce during gameplay”?
    - it may highlight the gameplay purpose and bring understanding to why each QB THP is rated at that level
    I know that 100%, OS would benefit more by provoking for more of his insights, rather than challenging his knowledge/ability on the work he’s doing as part of the Dev Team.
    A Madden dev is in this forum communicating with us when he doesn’t have to be here.
    I really hope folks keep that in mind before they hit Submit Reply to their post!!!
    I've said what I have had to say time and time again on here. I don't see this conversation going much further either. New thread, same results. My issues stem from the lack of spreading out the ratings the most. It is the reason speed is killer and it is the reason that when a user plays as Colt McCoy or Tom Brady they play the same outside of Brady running in quicksand. I see no reason as to why even the worst QB's are getting 80's for their accuracy ratings. I honestly see no reason as to why more than a handful of guys even have 80's for accuracy. If we want players to feel unique and like themselves then we have to start using the ratings scale from 40-99, not 78-99.

    Twitter is a different animal altogether. Can you imagine the amount of unwarranted hate some of these developers get? It's just a game and yet I have heard of some dev's receiving death threats. Kane probably has to deal with some extreme opinions. The best way to stay sane in that type of situation is to use some sarcasm. But fans are what fan is short for and that's fanatical and irrational.
    KANE699
    It's so much easier reading the stuff on here than Reddit let me just say.

    Reddit has indeed been brutal. They REALLY dislike Sean Lee for some reason LOL.
    KANE699
    It's so much easier reading the stuff on here than Reddit let me just say.
    I do not envy you man. It's great that you socialize with the community. But don't forget to logoff now and again. Online anonymity brings out the worst.
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    Going through the new throw under pressure rating earlier. How is Wentz not even in the top 40? Him and Brady were 1a and 1b under pressure last year. Marriota seems very low as well.
    KANE699
    I can probably answer some things in shortened form based on the most common questions.

    What type of video specifically needs to be submitted to change any rating attribute. How many videos. What kind of circumstances. Etc
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    I'm an Eagles fan, so I might be a bit biased, but how is Carson that low? I watched him all year, he's easily a top five quarterback in the league, maybe top three behind Rodgers and Brady.
    mrcsch
    I'm an Eagles fan, so I might be a bit biased, but how is Carson that low? I watched him all year, he's easily a top five quarterback in the league, maybe top three behind Rodgers and Brady.

    From a reply I saw on twitter it's because of his injury. Take that for what you want considering so many other injured players didn't receive the same treatment, but that was the reason. Wentz has some very suspicious ratings. I don't even know if his throw under pressure is the most bizarre.
    For all we know his throw under pressure rating is above a threshold to where Wentz is not limited in anyway, and the devs left themselves some wiggle room with this rating so it could be used to juice OVR. It's going to be a solid 3-4 weeks after release until the community at large knows what we are working with.
    canes21
    From a reply I saw on twitter it's because of his injury. Take that for what you want considering so many other injured players didn't receive the same treatment, but that was the reason. Wentz has some very suspicious ratings. I don't even know if his throw under pressure is the most bizarre.

    I just don't understand how a torn ligament in the leg, could hurt a quarterback's rating that much. Dude was legit throwing 3 touchdowns a game for the last 9 weeks of the season, as well as leading his team to victories every week. I honestly believe the Cowboy fan who does the ratings are just salty.
    mrcsch
    I just don't understand how a torn ligament in the leg, could hurt a quarterback's rating that much. Dude was legit throwing 3 touchdowns a game for the last 9 weeks of the season, as well as leading his team to victories every week. I honestly believe the Cowboy fan who does the ratings are just salty.

    Footwork is just as important, if not more so, than arm talent. If the knee remains weak and he can't comfortably plant his feet he could easily lose some zip on the ball.
    It gets even worse for a scrambler like Wentz who relies on making throws from awkward positions.
    stinkubus
    Footwork is just as important, if not more so, than arm talent. If the knee remains weak and he can't comfortably plant his feet he could easily lose some zip on the ball.
    It gets even worse for a scrambler like Wentz who relies on making throws from awkward positions.

    Yeah, I understand that too, but look at his ratings. His speed, agility, footwork, all seem to be the same as they were, or close, before his injury. The whole injury thing is just an excuse.
    canes21
    From a reply I saw on twitter it's because of his injury. Take that for what you want considering so many other injured players didn't receive the same treatment, but that was the reason. Wentz has some very suspicious ratings. I don't even know if his throw under pressure is the most bizarre.

    I think the bigger reason had to do with a small sample size of Wentz playing at that level. If he plays like that again this year I am sure he will get a big bump in the ratings. As it is, everything else about him looks really good.
    mrcsch
    Yeah, I understand that too, but look at his ratings. His speed, agility, footwork, all seem to be the same as they were, or close, before his injury. The whole injury thing is just an excuse.

    So? If they think Wentz will fall off, then they should rate him as so.
    canes21
    I think you are missing the point. I am not saying 40 times are the end all for determining speed. I've never alluded to that. My issue is the inconsistencies and the inflation to get certain players to certain overalls.
    I'll go back to Tom Brady. Why is his arm strength rated a 96? Why does arm strength only go as low as 79? Why not use more of the scale and accurately. Anyone who has watched Tom Brady over the last 3 years knows that arm isn't anywhere close to a 96 out of 99 when judging its strength.
    We still have Gronk rated like he is in his prime. He's an 83 run blocker while Charles Clay is a 63? Huh?? Sean Lee has an 83 injury rating? The guy can't breathe without missing a few games as a result. Sean Lee is also up points this year at a 96 overall. Ryan Kerrigan, a guy in JJ Watt and Von Miller territory, is an 87.
    There is way too much inconsistency with the ratings and I honestly think it boils down to having one man do the work(I guess he got some help from a former player this year). He's in over his head and it clearly shows in the ratings.

    Gronk dominated the super bowl hard to say he doesn't still have it.
    Clay and O'Leary could be re-evaluated in blocking. Not a ton out there rating te blocking very well.
    Sean Lee has only missed 6 games in the last 3 seasons. Most of them being from the reoccurring hamstring this past season. Overalls have all been redone this year for the player types, his physical ratings are not spectacular by any means.
    Ryan Kerrigan could be looked at again, what particular ratings are too low?
    Sphinx
    Twitter is a different animal altogether. Can you imagine the amount of unwarranted hate some of these developers get? It's just a game and yet I have heard of some dev's receiving death threats. Kane probably has to deal with some extreme opinions. The best way to stay sane in that type of situation is to use some sarcasm. But fans are what fan is short for and that's fanatical and irrational.

    Last year in particular had a lot of really mean stuff and I was stupid and reacted to them even though I had my own personal things going on with the passing of my father and passed on some of those feelings in my responses which wasn't warranted. I've worked on myself over the past year to ensure my dealings with the public is handled well, but don't say horrible things to me on social media and not expect a block/mute.
    SyncereBlackout
    What type of video specifically needs to be submitted to change any rating attribute. How many videos. What kind of circumstances. Etc
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    Just an example video for whatever rating they want upped. 49ers writer sent me some great stuff for Tartt's press coverage and I upped it :)
    Sphinx
    I think the bigger reason had to do with a small sample size of Wentz playing at that level. If he plays like that again this year I am sure he will get a big bump in the ratings. As it is, everything else about him looks really good.

    This would be correct, if he comes back to form he is VERY likely to get quick ratings boosts up the ladder. Also the Throw Under Pressure rating chart was posted to my Twitter earlier today.
    mrcsch
    Yeah, I understand that too, but look at his ratings. His speed, agility, footwork, all seem to be the same as they were, or close, before his injury. The whole injury thing is just an excuse.

    Sphinx
    I think the bigger reason had to do with a small sample size of Wentz playing at that level. If he plays like that again this year I am sure he will get a big bump in the ratings. As it is, everything else about him looks really good.

    I agree with Sphinx here. Wentz is young, had a serious injury, and probably needs to prove it a little longer before being rated in the top 3 to 5. For a similar case, see Deshaun Watson. I could make the same argument for him being rated as a top QB, but he has the same issues working against him.
    At the end of the day, we can all pick out two or three guys from our favorite team, and argue that they should be higher. But it's really a not a big deal, imo, because we can edit ratings anyway.
    JayhawkerStL
    So? If they think Wentz will fall off, then they should rate him as so.

    This is dumb.
    Other Guy
    I agree with Sphinx here. Wentz is young, had a serious injury, and probably needs to prove it a little longer before being rated in the top 3 to 5. For a similar case, see Deshaun Watson. I could make the same argument for him being rated as a top QB, but he has the same issues working against him.
    At the end of the day, we can all pick out two or three guys from our favorite team, and argue that they should be higher. But it's really a not a big deal, imo, because we can edit ratings anyway.

    I can agree with this. I agree with his sample size being low, I'd at least like to see him be a bit higher. You do have points, though.
    mrcsch
    Yeah, I understand that too, but look at his ratings. His speed, agility, footwork, all seem to be the same as they were, or close, before his injury. The whole injury thing is just an excuse.

    I'd honestly just take it as an indication that EA has concerns about his ability and/or injury history. He's had a good, but not great rookie campaign, followed up by a very strong second season.
    Despite the strong second season there's a couple red flags for me in his statistical profile. He only completed 60.4% of his passes, and for a low completion percentage QB his YPA were also pretty low at 7.5.
    His TD to INT ratio also made a very dramatic improvement over his rookie year, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he regresses here somewhat. Regression to the mean is a real phenomenon in the NFL for everyone who isn't New England. Defenses will also have a year to catch up to the wrinkles that Pederson threw at them this season.
    We've got 3 first ballot HOFers still playing at a high level (Brees, Manning, Brady). There's also two more guys who would've been first ballot in any other era, but may end up on the outside looking in (Big Ben, Rivers).
    Wilson is basically a superior version of Wentz in almost all respects (flame away). He's also proven he can do it over multiple seasons with a mediocre supporting cast. Jimmy G is a rising star and he'll get a full off season which should help.
    TL;DR I'm not ready to crown the guy, or anyone else, after just two seasons. I've seen way to many flashes in the pan over the years. It's not inconceivable to me that his production next season declines slightly and leaves him in the 5-10 range of top performers in the league.
    stinkubus
    I'd honestly just take it as an indication that EA has concerns about his ability and/or injury history. He's had a good, but not great rookie campaign, followed up by a very strong second season.
    Despite the strong second season there's a couple red flags for me in his statistical profile. He only completed 60.4% of his passes, and for a low completion percentage QB his YPA were also pretty low at 7.5.
    His TD to INT ratio also made a very dramatic improvement over his rookie year, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he regresses here somewhat. Regression to the mean is a real phenomenon in the NFL for everyone who isn't New England. Defenses will also have a year to catch up to the wrinkles that Pederson threw at them this season.
    We've got 3 first ballot HOFers still playing at a high level (Brees, Manning, Brady). There's also two more guys who would've been first ballot in any other era, but may end up on the outside looking in (Big Ben, Rivers).
    Wilson is basically a superior version of Wentz in almost all respects (flame away). He's also proven he can do it over multiple seasons with a mediocre supporting cast. Jimmy G is a rising star and he'll get a full off season which should help.
    TL;DR I'm not ready to crown the guy, or anyone else, after just two seasons. I've seen way to many flashes in the pan over the years. It's not inconceivable to me that his production next season declines slightly and leaves him in the 5-10 range of top performers in the league.

    I see where you're coming from. We should be able to tell close to midway through the season.
    roadman
    Injury has no bearing whatsoever on OVR confirmed by Equipt Guru.
    I will link the thread for further discussion.
    Also, he had help from a former player on coverage.
    Wentz has a SS dev. trait and is a top ten rated QB in the game.
    Answer on Jordan Howard as well.
    This just proves that we don't know a lot of stuff what goes on behind the curtains.
    https://twitter.com/Equipment_Guru/status/1017208202289704960

    Does this mean they based ovr on how young a qb is? So if someone like Wentz young qb played top 5 at the position last year but is the tenth best qb on madden do they make him tenth bc they know if they make him any higher in two cfm seasons he'll be a 99 ovr qb?
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    stinkubus
    I'd honestly just take it as an indication that EA has concerns about his ability and/or injury history. He's had a good, but not great rookie campaign, followed up by a very strong second season.
    Despite the strong second season there's a couple red flags for me in his statistical profile. He only completed 60.4% of his passes, and for a low completion percentage QB his YPA were also pretty low at 7.5.
    His TD to INT ratio also made a very dramatic improvement over his rookie year, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he regresses here somewhat. Regression to the mean is a real phenomenon in the NFL for everyone who isn't New England. Defenses will also have a year to catch up to the wrinkles that Pederson threw at them this season.
    We've got 3 first ballot HOFers still playing at a high level (Brees, Manning, Brady). There's also two more guys who would've been first ballot in any other era, but may end up on the outside looking in (Big Ben, Rivers).
    Wilson is basically a superior version of Wentz in almost all respects (flame away). He's also proven he can do it over multiple seasons with a mediocre supporting cast. Jimmy G is a rising star and he'll get a full off season which should help.
    TL;DR I'm not ready to crown the guy, or anyone else, after just two seasons. I've seen way to many flashes in the pan over the years. It's not inconceivable to me that his production next season declines slightly and leaves him in the 5-10 range of top performers in the league.

    What is Wilson superior in compared to Wentz? Experience and Mobility? That's all i can think of and I wouldn't say Eli Manning is playing at a high level.
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    Gronk for sure still has it and Brady is the best in the game, those are not the best cases for ratings issues (Yes check my avatar I love the Pats just needed to throw that out there).
    Anyhow I don't care about specific ratings (I wont be playing M19) but it'd be nice to see a general trend of spreading out the ratings.
    However, I will admit I'm fairly naive to how the engine works (obviously) so I'll direct a question to Kane.
    What is the reasoning behind ratings being "suppressed" to a certain range. Is it based on how those ratings play out in the engine? Is it based on how players feel about their ratings? Does the NFL want everyone to have a high rating?
    I think a common complaint in Madden and most sports games is that there is not enough separation between players of different tiers of ability. Ultimately, that should be the goal of the ratings. To accurately represent the ability of the real player within the game engine, which then naturally should lead to that good "feeling" of using a skilled player vs the average player. I have no idea if this is even possible within the game engine, in which case the whole point is moot from your end, but I think a lot of people want to see those ratings spread out over the entire range available to use.
    I'm always trying to spread things out as much as I can. Certain ratings are scaled differently across positions such as catch just for gameplay balancing for ex.
    triplechin
    Gronk for sure still has it and Brady is the best in the game, those are not the best cases for ratings issues (Yes check my avatar I love the Pats just needed to throw that out there).

    I don't think anyone has said these two guys are not good anymore nor has anyone denied that Brady isn't the best QB in the league. He definitely doesn't deserve to have 96 throw power, though. I'd love to find out why he was given it. Have him in the top 5 for all accuracy ratings and give him 99 awareness and I won't complain about it at all, but he definitely does not have a 96 arm or even a 90+ arm even with the ratings inflation happening in the game.
    J.Cole
    What is Wilson superior in compared to Wentz? Experience and Mobility? That's all i can think of and I wouldn't say Eli Manning is playing at a high level.
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    He's more accurate and has a much more polished deep ball. Wilson has posted a 68% completion over the course of an entire season, and Wentz hasn't sniffed that yet. Wilson also has provided tangible value running the ball that Wentz has not, and cannot, equal.
    canes21
    I don't think anyone has said these two guys are not good anymore nor has anyone denied that Brady isn't the best QB in the league. He definitely doesn't deserve to have 96 throw power, though. I'd love to find out why he was given it. Have him in the top 5 for all accuracy ratings and give him 99 awareness and I won't complain about it at all, but he definitely does not have a 96 arm or even a 90+ arm even with the ratings inflation happening in the game.

    Yeah, definitely something that needs to be lowered. And personally I think the separation between quarterbacks is fine. Although, in my opinion, separation isn't needed as much in football games as compared to other sports games. If this was say, basketball, separation would matter a ton, in football, not so much. I think Brady's arm strength rating was just to get him to that perfect rating. I get he's great, but I personally don't think he's perfect right now. Some changes I'd definitely make for some of the top quarterbacks would be dropping the arm strength for a few star players.
    mrcsch
    Yeah, definitely something that needs to be lowered. And personally I think the separation between quarterbacks is fine. Although, in my opinion, separation isn't needed as much in football games as compared to other sports games. If this was say, basketball, separation would matter a ton, in football, not so much. I think Brady's arm strength rating was just to get him to that perfect rating. I get he's great, but I personally don't think he's perfect right now. Some changes I'd definitely make for some of the top quarterbacks would be dropping the arm strength for a few star players.

    I disagree with the first bolded part as my previous posts would indicate, haha, but I don't think either of us are wrong in our opinions. Personally, for me, I am a believer that there is more of a skill gap between players than Madden rates and what some would say about football compared to other sports. I've divulged into that enough already, though.
    I agree 100% with the second bolded part. That is my 2nd biggest issue with the ratings. I don't think that the majority of players are just terribly rated. If my posts have given that vibe off before then let this clear that up. I am not saying Kane is an awful ratings guy. I just have major issues with the current method of inflating so many palyers' ratings to get them to a certain overall/placement in their position.
    J.Cole
    Does this mean they based ovr on how young a qb is? So if someone like Wentz young qb played top 5 at the position last year but is the tenth best qb on madden do they make him tenth bc they know if they make him any higher in two cfm seasons he'll be a 99 ovr qb?
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    I think while the ratings are for the most part intended to reflect the present situation , as things are now , they also always have ( and probably always will) give a huge ' benefit of the doubt' boost to players with proven records and reputations , which younger players won't receive , a kind of " form is temporary , class is permanent approach"
    Players have to prove it over a period of time before they are given full credit , personally I like that approach , but I understand those that expect the ratings to be more of a snapshot of very recent history , and be much more volatile as a result
    Wentz would fall into the category of players who still need to prove it for a while longer before he gets full recognition, with the injury exasperating things to a point , I'm certain that his ratings will rise as the season progresses , on the assumption that the Eagles offence continues to have success, ( though a lot of credit for that should in truth should go to the coaching as much as any player )
    canes21
    I disagree with the first bolded part as my previous posts would indicate, haha, but I don't think either of us are wrong in our opinions. Personally, for me, I am a believer that there is more of a skill gap between players than Madden rates and what some would say about football compared to other sports. I've divulged into that enough already, though.
    I agree 100% with the second bolded part. That is my 2nd biggest issue with the ratings. I don't think that the majority of players are just terribly rated. If my posts have given that vibe off before then let this clear that up. I am not saying Kane is an awful ratings guy. I just have major issues with the current method of inflating so many palyers' ratings to get them to a certain overall/placement in their position.

    Some players in this game look to have definitely gotten a boost in a certain overall for inflation. I think the ratings are pretty accurate, I just think that some players are definitely inflated. And yeah, to your first point, separation does need to be just a bit better. One again, to bring up Carson. Is Carson really only five points ahead of someone like Baker? Is Baker really around the same skill level as Watson or Newton?
    mrcsch
    Is Carson really only five points ahead of someone like Baker? Is Baker really around the same skill level as Watson or Newton?

    I cannot say for certain just what a 5 point difference in OVR actually means. If you've figured it out can you share your work with the class?
    stinkubus
    I cannot say for certain just what a 5 point difference in OVR actually means. If you've figured it out can you share your work with the class?

    If I have time
    triplechin
    Gronk for sure still has it and Brady is the best in the game, those are not the best cases for ratings issues (Yes check my avatar I love the Pats just needed to throw that out there).
    Anyhow I don't care about specific ratings (I wont be playing M19) but it'd be nice to see a general trend of spreading out the ratings.
    However, I will admit I'm fairly naive to how the engine works (obviously) so I'll direct a question to Kane.
    What is the reasoning behind ratings being "suppressed" to a certain range. Is it based on how those ratings play out in the engine? Is it based on how players feel about their ratings? Does the NFL want everyone to have a high rating?
    I think a common complaint in Madden and most sports games is that there is not enough separation between players of different tiers of ability. Ultimately, that should be the goal of the ratings. To accurately represent the ability of the real player within the game engine, which then naturally should lead to that good "feeling" of using a skilled player vs the average player. I have no idea if this is even possible within the game engine, in which case the whole point is moot from your end, but I think a lot of people want to see those ratings spread out over the entire range available to use.
    Brady most definitely is NOT the best QB in the game. Dont even get me started on why I consider Brady the most overrated athlete of our generation.
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    Also kane, would you mind explaining the ridiculously low ratings for Lane Taylor and Corey Linsley? They were both rock solid for the Packers last season our OL was stout from C to LT, it was the right side that was the issue most of the season. Also according to PFF Tramin William's was a top 10 CB last season, yet is utterly useless in Madden. And King is known for his press man ability so 72 man and 78 press are way too low for him. His shoulder limited his physical play last season.
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    J.Cole
    What is Wilson superior in compared to Wentz?

    Seriously?
    Look, I'm a huge Wentz fan. I'm an NDSU alum, and my son goes to his high school, so I'm a huge fan. But Russell Wilson is the 3rd or 4th best QB in the NFL and is an elite, hall-of-fame talent. I cannot understand anyone who doesn't see that. He's basically a faster Steve Young.
    KANE699
    I can probably answer some things in shortened form based on the most common questions.

    broncos fan here Jeff Holland LB and Phillp Lindsay RB they might have to be in the game by week 1 Esp Holland most draft websites had him as a 5th round pick
    also NE has a CB J C Jackson that might make the 53 i have a roster thing on here where i am keeping a eye or transactions
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football-rosters/934770-madden-19-rosters.html
    J.Cole
    What is Wilson superior in compared to Wentz? Experience and Mobility? That's all i can think of and I wouldn't say Eli Manning is playing at a high level.
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    If it wasn't for the Eagles logo, I have trouble believing this is really a question. Wentz needs to continue at his level for quite a few more years to equal or pass Russell. Russ is a bonafide top 5 qb and did it last year with the worst rushing attack in the league and a bottom 5 offensive line.
    aspengc8
    So the o-line that helped produce the league's rushing leader.. are all terrible run blockers. Makes sense, EA.

    With all of the tackles he broke last year you think his numbers are because of a great o line?
    KANE699
    With all of the tackles he broke last year you think his numbers are because of a great o line?

    I think its good were its at. He made alot of his own success. Great job on the ratings as well.
    misfit4eva
    If it wasn't for the Eagles logo, I have trouble believing this is really a question. Wentz needs to continue at his level for quite a few more years to equal or pass Russell. Russ is a bonafide top 5 qb and did it last year with the worst rushing attack in the league and a bottom 5 offensive line.

    More like the worst O-line. Sometimes you watch them in action and can't even believe they actually played for FBS schools.
    KANE699
    With all of the tackles he broke last year you think his numbers are because of a great o line?

    I'm a huge Chiefs fan, but I even realize that the OL is problematic, at best. It has a chance to be middle of the pack, but they also have no room for error.
    I think the Chiefs will run the ball well again, but it is going to be because of the passing game opening up holes, not the OL.
    But, uh, why is Hunts BT so low?
    stinkubus
    More like the worst O-line. Sometimes you watch them in action and can't even believe they actually played for FBS schools.

    With Duane Brown in Seattle I believe Houston now has that dubious honour tbh
    JayhawkerStL
    I'm a huge Chiefs fan, but I even realize that the OL is problematic, at best. It has a chance to be middle of the pack, but they also have no room for error.
    I think the Chiefs will run the ball well again, but it is going to be because of the passing game opening up holes, not the OL.
    But, uh, why is Hunts BT so low?

    I wanna say he didn't break nearly as many near the end of the season around the start of the Dallas game there was some decline. There wasn't the best 4 game stretch in there.
    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntKa00/gamelog/2017/
    I'm curious as to how Brad Kaaya got a 76 Throw on the Run and a 68 Break Sack? If you've ever watched Kaaya you'd know he cannot throw on the run to save his life nor could he ever break a sack. He buckled up and sacked himself without getting touched more often than not. This just seems like another case of a player getting assigned random ratings that fit a range to give them a certain overall instead of being a representation of who they really are. I feel that is an issue largely associated with the fact that EA refuses to make a ratings team for whatever reason.
    canes21
    I'm curious as to how Brad Kaaya got a 76 Throw on the Run and a 68 Break Sack? If you've ever watched Kaaya you'd know he cannot throw on the run to save his life nor could he ever break a sack. He buckled up and sacked himself without getting touched more often than not. This just seems like another case of a player getting assigned random ratings that fit a range to give them a certain overall instead of being a representation of who they really are. I feel that is an issue largely associated with the fact that EA refuses to make a ratings team for whatever reason.

    If throw on the run works at all like M18 he'll be awful at it. Even QBs with high ratings struggled with it. Dump offs to the flat were an adventure if your feet weren't set much less anything downfield.
    stinkubus
    If throw on the run works at all like M18 he'll be awful at it. Even QBs with high ratings struggled with it. Dump offs to the flat were an adventure if your feet weren't set much less anything downfield.

    Was this with default sliders because in my experience it wasn't as drastic as I had hoped, but I also didn't get as much playtime in '18 so my experience may be tainted.
    canes21
    Was this with default sliders because in my experience it wasn't as drastic as I had hoped, but I also didn't get as much playtime in '18 so my experience may be tainted.

    Yes, and i use Pit. Roethlisberger has 93 Throw on the Run, which is the third highest on the stock rosters. Trying to throw on the move rolling to his right you can't hit anything other than a flat/short out. Rolling to his left it's almost a guaranteed overthrow.
    canes21
    Was this with default sliders because in my experience it wasn't as drastic as I had hoped, but I also didn't get as much playtime in '18 so my experience may be tainted.

    It depends what skill level you play on. If it was on All Madden cpu qb accuracy slider had to be around 6. Otherwise everyone played like Tom Bradys clone due to the AI boosting.
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