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NCAA Board of Governors Agrees to Allow Athletes to 'Benefit' From Their Likenesses

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NCAA Board of Governors Agrees to Allow Athletes to 'Benefit' From Their Likenesses

The NCAA has requested all its members update their bylaws in the coming months to allow NCAA athletes to benefit from their likeness “in a manner consistent with the collegiate model.” If this move does not signal that NCAA video games will be back at some point in the coming years, I don’t know what does.

“The Board of Governors’ action directs each of the NCAA’s three divisions to immediately consider updates to relevant bylaws and policies for the 21st century,” said Michael V. Drake, chair of the board and president of The Ohio State University.

In their statement, the NCAA goes on to explain the style with which they would like to “modernize” these laws, but the crucial part is that the governing body is requesting all divisions get their rules finalized and submitted by January 2021 at the latest. This means things could be finalized even before then, but that’s the set end date now to have rules in place for collegiate athletes.

We will have a more in-depth analysis at a later time, but for now, this seems like a good time to start plotting and dreaming about NCAA games for real. (And here we were thinking yesterday was as big as the news could get.)

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  1. LETS GO!
    EA, start those engines. You already have an excellent framework from NCAA 14 to start from for presentation, gameplay, and modes. Lots of things need updating, but as long as your using Madden code from a decade ago, why not use NCAA 14 as a head start?
    The question then becomes how long will it take for the slow moving NCAA to produce a detailed set of rules governing this.
    Great news. Probably a time frame of 2021 for when a game hits the stores.
    Heck yes!!! Rex has already said he's ready to go once he gets the word, and I hope EA does reach out to him.
    Either way, it's looking promising to have an NCAA Football game on the next generation of consoles. I'll quietly wish for a college basketball and baseball game, too.
    Trying to keep my expectations in check after hearing this VERY GOOD news. It'll take EA YEARS to bring the Dynasty Mode features even close to what they ended with in 2014--we may never get there in terms of coaching carousel, etc.
    Expect NCAA 2021 to be very bare-bones (I'd imagine at soonest it's available 2021, so it'd probably be called NCAA 2022).
    ijumpedthegun
    Trying to keep my expectations in check after hearing this VERY GOOD news. It'll take EA YEARS to bring the Dynasty Mode features even close to what they ended with in 2014--we may never get there in terms of coaching carousel, etc.
    Expect NCAA 2021 to be very bare-bones.

    bare bones NCAA is better than these indy games. :y220e:
    ijumpedthegun
    Trying to keep my expectations in check after hearing this VERY GOOD news. It'll take EA YEARS to bring the Dynasty Mode features even close to what they ended with in 2014--we may never get there in terms of coaching carousel, etc.
    Expect NCAA 2021 to be very bare-bones (I'd imagine at soonest it's available 2021, so it'd probably be called NCAA 2022).

    I needed a legit reason to pay $500 for a PS5. I have it now should this come to fruition!
    Would love to see NCAA 22 and College Hoops 2k22! As much as I like college baseball it’s not as popular and wouldn’t make whatever company enough money
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    ijumpedthegun
    Trying to keep my expectations in check after hearing this VERY GOOD news. It'll take EA YEARS to bring the Dynasty Mode features even close to what they ended with in 2014--we may never get there in terms of coaching carousel, etc.
    Expect NCAA 2021 to be very bare-bones (I'd imagine at soonest it's available 2021, so it'd probably be called NCAA 2022).

    I agree with keeping expectations in check, but they should still have all the source code from the last release as well as any work they were doing for 15. Ignoring the legal issues, they could probably make NCAA 14 with a playoff for the current generation consoles and release it next year as NCAA 21 if they wanted to go that way.
    sherrane
    I agree with keeping expectations in check, but they should still have all the source code from the last release as well as any work they were doing for 15. Ignoring the legal issues, they could probably make NCAA 14 with a playoff for the current generation consoles and release it next year as NCAA 21 if they wanted to go that way.

    I would buy that immediately and not look back.
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    I feel like Hawkeye right now in regards to a licensed-player NCAA
    "Don't do that. Don't give me hope."
    Although once all the legalese is sorted out and the path is clear, I want them to take their time and do a full-on bang-up job. If they need two years to get the first one out the door, so be it. Get the players right, get the pageantry right, get the Dynasty stuff right. Make sure the stuff we loved about the NCAA games is to the level we expect from the franchise.
    what is the status of the actual teams? Does EA have to get approval from each team and each conference to use their names, mascots, etc in the game, or is the NCAA saying its ok to pay players for these items and the teams will have to follow suit?
    Man I'm crunk!!
    We're probably two years away from the game now but definitely worth the wait. New system, new graphics. This is huge for the sports gaming community and college football fans.
    stevecpa5
    what is the status of the actual teams? Does EA have to get approval from each team and each conference to use their names, mascots, etc in the game, or is the NCAA saying its ok to pay players for these items and the teams will have to follow suit?

    There was nothing stopping companies from using college divisions, teams, etc., it was the players themselves being the hold up. The point was that those colleges don't have enough value on their own, and it was too murky for companies to allow wholesale editing in those games without being accused of benefiting off the college athletes. This more or less clears that up, and each division will have to set up a way for these athletes to be negotiated with and be included in things like video games.
    The date to get these laws setup is still January 2021 if the NCAA sticks to them, so we're still a couple years out at minimum, but this is the biggest news yet by far.
    While I have wanted to buy Madden for last several years, I just couldn't. But I would instantly pay full price for NCAA without hesitation. I don't know how coding works, I would love for them to just build off NCAA 14.
    I can imagine EA immediately calling NCAA to see interest. I just can't imagine CBB coming back. Unless they want to just take what ever sales they can get and hope to break even, it just doesn't sale well
    ijumpedthegun
    Trying to keep my expectations in check after hearing this VERY GOOD news. It'll take EA YEARS to bring the Dynasty Mode features even close to what they ended with in 2014--we may never get there in terms of coaching carousel, etc.
    Expect NCAA 2021 to be very bare-bones (I'd imagine at soonest it's available 2021, so it'd probably be called NCAA 2022).
    I bet EA has already been working on the framework of what the next NCAA game will look and feel like expecting this news. So I wouldn't be so sure it would be as bare bones as you think.
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    I just wonder how much this is going to cost EA to reward every player for their likeness on every team? Does this mean the community can legally edit rosters close to real life?
    NCAA Football fans would for sure not just get a game that's right where the last one left off though, since I know that Dynasty mode was on old infrastructure that they moved away from on Madden. So they would have to re-do a lot of the stuff not from scratch since they now have Madden in the place it is, but it's not like they can just "bring back" old code etc. for that stuff.
    I'm actual crying right now the fact that we could get a new NCAA football and basketball  games just brings me so much happiness. The question is which studio 2K or EA will get the rights to make the games   
    This is great news, but we have a long way to go before the next college football game is a reality. An entire console generation has passed since the last game they made a game. I'm not even sure if EA still uses the infinity engine that the last game was on.
    My impressions, as a non programmer so purely speculative, I think we are at minimum 2 years away (2022) from any kind of realistic release. 2020 is right around the corner and unless EA has secretly been building up a team for this project then they would only have about 20 months to hire an entire staff and complete the development cycle beginning to end in time for a late summer of 2021 release. Hopefully EA has already been working on this, but if not then we just need to caution ourselves against getting our Hope's up too early.
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    JayD
    I just wonder how much this is going to cost EA to reward every player for their likeness on every team? Does this mean the community can legally edit rosters close to real life?

    That will be a question for sure. EA was WAY too obvious before with using the players even if they weren't using their names, so maybe if they just put some generic players in the game, and also the "key" players as real ones, but give users full access to editing tools, it will be okay now. Maybe it won't be.
    Another is how much licensing overall will cost. Before it was already somewhat cost prohibitive to make some of these games due to licensing vs. game sales -- when it was just legally foggy -- now these companies have to pay colleges AND athletes for likenesses? So in theory it seems like the college games would be more expensive to make now.
    ChaseB
    NCAA Football fans would for sure not just get a game that's right where the last one left off though, since I know that Dynasty mode was on old infrastructure that they moved away from on Madden. So they would have to re-do a lot of the stuff not from scratch since they now have Madden in the place it is, but it's not like they can just "bring back" old code etc. for that stuff.

    That's what I figured. It's not like they can copy and paste.
    I think what we want is to follow the direction they were headed in. I'm more than certain that a lot of things would have to be redesigned and coded to fit newer tech. That's why i always felt skeptical when people believe that the game would immediately come out. I would rather them take the extra dev cycle for the game to come out solid.
    I figured it was only a matter of time before some common sense set in. It's only the first step, but about time. I want college games back, no doubt. But I'm really hoping this legitimizes the NCAA again for those of us who actually enjoy collegiate sports. For me personally, the shadow of NCAA sanctions based around an athlete recieving money or some other benefit dampened my enthusiasm for NCAA sports as a whole. But, yeah, EA and 2K I have a few years of savings from my gaming budget for you guys!
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    If the word about the NFLPA partnering with the college players comes to pass, it would certainly be ideal for a future game. EA could negotiate with a single party and find a market price for those rights that would give some cost certainty for developing the game.
    Again, this is a reminder that the NCAA isn't giving any athlete anything (they still don't get any TV right money etc.), it's just that players can accept outside money now.
    So it's just if players want to go as individuals and negotiate things like likeness rights, but others join a general conglomerate like the NFLPA and get a set sum from whoever wants to use a mass amount of players like EA would for a video game -- because the market says they're not worth enough on their own to get money for the likeness.
    Colleges will still get to separately negotiate their own likeness rights, so that money still acts like it would for a TV deal etc.
    I am definitely ready for a new game. Not to be a downer, but I bought a copy of Maximum Football. I was let down to say the least. Hopefully they keep improving. Competition is always good right?
    Ended up finding a deal on a PS3 and got a steal on a copy of NCAA 14. Found it for 30 bucks in a used game store. They had a copy left and I told the girl at the register what they were going for. She actually had an order to increase the price to 60, but hadn't had time to actually mark them yet.
    Suffice to say, I've definitely been getting my time on that game.
    As for NCAA basketball, if I'm EA, here's the idea. NBA Live has been kind of struggling but you have this nice back end for it. Why not get away from NBA, let 2k have that arena, instead use the back end they've already created to make a new NCAA basketball game. Just incorporate a road to glory mode where you come out of high school or another country and can get into school. If they wanted to stay with NBA, have it to where you can export draft classes like they used to do in NCAA 14.
    And EA, PLEASE DON'T CLONE MADDEN WITH THIS GAME AND RUIN IT!! All you literally have to do is to clone NCAA 13 or 14, update the graphics, put in a playoff, and update the roster, and I can almost promise you people will come out of the woodwork! I would buy it day one or shortly thereafter for sure.
    ChaseB
    Again, this is a reminder that the NCAA isn't giving any athlete anything (they still don't get any TV right money etc.), it's just that players can accept outside money now.
    So it's just if players want to go as individuals and negotiate things like likeness rights, but others join a general conglomerate like the NFLPA and get a set sum from whoever wants to use a mass amount of players like EA would for a video game -- because the market says they're not worth enough on their own to get money for the likeness.
    Colleges will still get to separately negotiate their own likeness rights, so that money still acts like it would for a TV deal etc.

    Aren't a lot of the college likenesses sold in a group by a third party as well? But they can withdraw from a sale individually at their discretion?
    I believe that's what happened around College Football 15. EA traditionally licensed most of the schools in bulk through a third party, and some started pulling out over fears things weren't on the level with player likenesses being attached to their school's likeness. Or something to that effect.
    bad_philanthropy
    Aren't a lot of the college likenesses sold in a group by a third party as well? But they can withdraw from a sale individually at their discretion?
    I believe that's what happened around College Football 15. EA traditionally licensed most of the schools in bulk through a third party, and some started pulling out over fears things weren't on the level with player likenesses being attached to their school's likeness. Or something to that effect.

    Yeah they were using certain outlets to negotiate things, so they could do that again, much like many players will probably do. But yes, the colleges got scared (rightfully so after the SC ruling).
    Awesome news ! The GOAT is back ! It’s a Christmas miracle in October. If you need to know how much I like this game just look at my user name ! ��. It doesn’t say madden junkie. Oh hell no.
    Honestly I will get excited when EA actually comes out and says "we're baaaaaaack"....and not like Ehlinger saying we/re back and yet Texas isnt and fooled everyone...but like really back and haubamiller gets his rotund behind back in the dev seat
    ChaseB
    There was nothing stopping companies from using college divisions, teams, etc., it was the players themselves being the hold up.

    I don't think thats true, they were still planning to continue making the games with generic players until conferences started dropping out due to the controversy. Thats how I remembered it and the Wiki seems to confirm it as well.
    Due to recent legal disputes between the association, Electronic Arts, college athletes, and others regarding the usage of college athletes' likenesses in video games, they would not renew their licensing deal with EA. However, the expiration of the license only affects the use of the NCAA's trademarks in the games; teams and other events are licensed from schools individually or through organizations such as the Collegiate Licensing Company—who announced on the same day that they would extend its own licensing deal with EA through 2017. As such, EA ensured that with these existing deals in place, it would still be able to produce future versions of the franchise without the NCAA license (as it did prior to 1997); EA Sports' executive vice president Andrew Wilson announced that the next edition of the franchise was already in development, and would " feature the college teams, leagues, and all the innovation fans expect from EA Sports."
    However, after the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 conferences announced that they would not license their trademarks to EA, the company announced on September 26, 2013 that it would not make a college football game for 2014. EA had plans to continue the series with a focus on user-generated content under the old College Football name, but the planned game was eventually canceled.
    Wow - haven't posted on here in quite a while, but this is exciting news. Unfortunately, I'm an old fart and have my doubts about how quickly EA will renter these waters. All of the licensing work with the schools, conferences and NCAA have to be rebuilt. Some, if not many, of the parties will be hesitant to get involved until they see the other dominoes fall in line. Not sure what licensing royalties were involved last time, but they will have to outweigh potential litigation issues EVEN WITH this new decision by the NCAA. These parties were never really concerned about getting sued before - some did and it scared the hell out of all them. Not sure they are all going to cannonball right back into that pool. The benefit to their brand or their immediate bottom line will have seem worth it.
    As for the players, I think someone already correctly mentioned there would probably be a general pool of participating athletes (very small money allcoated, if any) who "opt-in". Athletes who opt-out could negotiate on their own or ultimately not be included in the game.
    I would guess EA might be very careful with player editing features as well. Just my thoughts. Boy would I love to see this game but I know companies and I'm trying to be realistic about the possibility.
    Does anyone have any info about total revenues generated by NCAA 14? And how much EA spent on licensing for that game?
    Would EA have to have an agreement with each athlete separately? If yes that would be tedious and unlikely to happen.
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    jsteele14
    Would EA have to have an agreement with each athlete separately? If yes that would be tedious and unlikely to happen.
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    I would think they'd have their own group representation, a'la the NFLPA.
    In any case, exciting news!
    This is awesome news. My prediction is that EA decides to get back into making NCAA football games they will make the games the same as they did before, with generic players. What this news today means is that theres no longer a controversy - which is what scared away the conferences from licensing their trademarks to EA in the first place (which caused NCAA football to get cancelled). The conferences will probably get on board now, and the fact they got some teams to agree to be in Madden was a great sign. But EA knows the games sell really well with generic players, and it would cost a lot of time and money to pay every college football player to be in the game. We will still buy the game with generic players and they know it. And with roster editing/sharing, it wouldn't even be a big deal.
    I know a friend of mine and I were talking. If only EA had put NCAA 14 on PS4 we would have been happy. Oh well, my PS3 and NCAA 14 will hold me over until the new game.
    :cavalry:
    BleedGreen710
    But EA knows the games sell really well with generic players, and it would cost a lot of time and money to pay every college football player to be in the game. We will still buy the game with generic players and they know it. And with roster editing/sharing, it wouldn't even be a big deal.

    Exactly this. They could make every player generic and I'd still buy it, even without roster sharing. I prefer developing my own players within the NCAA framework anyway.
    BleedGreen710
    I don't think thats true, they were still planning to continue making the games with generic players until conferences started dropping out due to the controversy. Thats how I remembered it and the Wiki seems to confirm it as well.

    They pulled out due to the concerns I mentioned basically.
    Not really news worthy...you're looking at years before another NCAA game comes out. When it does...it will basically be Animation Madden in college uniforms.
    They'd better not LOL. I just really don't care for the nfl these days. When they politicized with kneeling for the anthem, that was when I really totally quit caring about the nfl. Am kind of looking forward to xfl though.
    tecmo1
    Not really news worthy...you're looking at years before another NCAA game comes out. When it does...it will basically be Animation Madden in college uniforms.
    Why so negative? NCAA 14 was not a copy of Madden in college uniforms.
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    Personally, I've been over it. Madden and NCAA are the same. They just decide to put certain features in one game and  withhold them in the other to find a way to differentiate the two. EA could have been given us things like scrambled play art in away games to simulate a rattled QB.
    The one thing I do miss is Dynasty mode and the recruiting process.
    da_centa_fielda
    Personally, I've been over it. Madden and NCAA are the same. They just decide to put certain features in one game and* withhold them in the other to find a way to differentiate the two. EA could have been given us things like scrambled play art in away games to simulate a rattled QB.
    The one thing I do miss is Dynasty mode and the recruiting process.
    So you are upset at the fact that the games were different but in theory could have been the same. Can't win with you. You are mad when the game is the same and then mad when they are different because they could have been the same. Then you comment about dynasty which is totally different than Madden. How different are you expecting. These are 2 football games. Not football and rugby.
    At the time the game even played different with the option offense being such a huge part of the game. The crowd was massively different. Top 25 rankings, toughest places to play etc. I think you are forgetting.
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    College Player Association partnering with NFLPA can really expedite things along. The NFLPA can negotiate on behalf of the players. That way NFLPA, NCAA, EA can get to together to negotiate compensation.
    I think we are still years away. I don't really sell NCAA selling license until the law goes into effect. If that's the case, than I see 2022 as the realistic date. But correct me if I'm wrong, I think they could still make it before. Maybe now, schools/conferences will be more willing to sell their license if EA can prove they can avoid lawsuits before law goes into effect. At the very least I can see more college schools being more involved in Madden next year or 2
    Agree w/ most of the posts in here. I suppose it's a reasonable first step, but we're still a long way away from anyone dipping a toe back into the college game pool. Companies are risk averse (in the extreme) and won't wade back into the pool until it's been verified to be safe and litigation-free 6 ways from Sunday. And given the costs likely to be involved, I would be surprised if anyone other than EA in football and 2K in basketball would be willing to even chance it. Which, while not ideal, would still be better than what we have right now...
    jsteele14
    Why so negative? NCAA 14 was not a copy of Madden in college uniforms.
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    2014 sports video games are a lot different than sports video games today. Add on to that key NCAA makers are no longer with EA and the lack of talent in that department now...then you get Animation NCAA Football 2023
    I always said once legislators got involved, it was a done deal. NCAA has zero leverage against Congress and state legislators....and these legislators love to throw their weight around.
    Here is my thought...
    With EA being so focused on GaaS, I could see a scenario where they dive deep into the idea of an "Ultimate Team" game mode filled with microtransactions to fill your team with legends like Tim Tebow, Eddie George, Matt Leinart, etc.
    I think that is a lucrative enough business proposition for them to pursue bringing NCAA back, completely separate from us Dynasty fanatics. I also have to wonder if the NFLPA involvement has anything to do with trying to negotiate these types of deals for former players who could be part of some type of "Ultimate Team".
    Either way, I am stoked. I bet we don't see anything until 2021 or 2022, but this is all very promising.
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    BleedGreen710
    This is awesome news. My prediction is that EA decides to get back into making NCAA football games they will make the games the same as they did before, with generic players. What this news today means is that theres no longer a controversy - which is what scared away the conferences from licensing their trademarks to EA in the first place (which caused NCAA football to get cancelled). The conferences will probably get on board now, and the fact they got some teams to agree to be in Madden was a great sign. But EA knows the games sell really well with generic players, and it would cost a lot of time and money to pay every college football player to be in the game. We will still buy the game with generic players and they know it. And with roster editing/sharing, it wouldn't even be a big deal.

    True...no controversy. I would bet my last dollar EA already has the dominoes set in place. It's going to happen sooner than people think. EA reps probably have known about this for months.
    Its been a long time coming. Its pretty cool that the demand for NCAA Football to return has played such a major role in fueled one of biggest changes in the history of the NCAA.
    It warms my heart to see a bunch of current and former EA devs who have worked on the NCAA series liking tweets about today’s news and the game potentially returning. Rex Dickson said it’s highly likely the game will return but to give it a few years!
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    mpklub
    Here is my thought...
    With EA being so focused on GaaS, I could see a scenario where they dive deep into the idea of an "Ultimate Team" game mode filled with microtransactions to fill your team with legends like Tim Tebow, Eddie George, Matt Leinart, etc.
    I think that is a lucrative enough business proposition for them to pursue bringing NCAA back, completely separate from us Dynasty fanatics. I also have to wonder if the NFLPA involvement has anything to do with trying to negotiate these types of deals for former players who could be part of some type of "Ultimate Team".
    Either way, I am stoked. I bet we don't see anything until 2021 or 2022, but this is all very promising.
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    You just described the current ultimate team and nothing they can't do today.
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    DorianDonP
    Great news. The student athletes deserve it.
    But I need 2K to hop on this using their APF2k engine.

    As much as I would like that, I just don't that's likely. I don't see 2k wanting to jump into the CFB market. We got to remember that the APF was pretty much an upgraded 2k5 engine. So would have to start from scratch. I don't think 2k would want to create a new engine for a CFB game. They have claimed to want get back to NFL though
    Thought I heard imv gaming just hired 3 more people. Not sure if they can get licensing though. I don't think they could last year, hopefully a year changes things. But I think gameplay wise, they have a ways to go. Decent effort for them being a small team.
    ohio_bobcat_06
    Thought I heard imv gaming just hired 3 more people. Not sure if they can get licensing though. I don't think they could last year, hopefully a year changes things. But I think gameplay wise, they have a ways to go. Decent effort for them being a small team.

    They have no money or game being developed, closed all their social media and haven't released any news since August when they sued someone for saying things they didn't like (and/or exposing them for frauds). They are only a little further along than you or I are at a game.
    eaterofworlds888
    I'm not really a football guy but if we could get 2k to develop another College Hoops game I would flip over the flippin moon

    2k8 is still easily the best college sports game of all time. I'm not even much of a basketball person and I easily have over 20 seasons in that game when looking at legacies where I played every single game. If we're gonna look at legacies where I simmed some, that number probably doubles.
    Some wording that gives me hesitation from this announcement: "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model." The collegiate model is amateurism. I have a feeling the NCAA is going to nerf this so much that nothing will really change.
    This concerns me.
    Jr.
    Some wording that gives me hesitation from this announcement: "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model." The collegiate model is amateurism. I have a feeling the NCAA is going to nerf this so much that nothing will really change.
    This concerns me.

    Just as EA wanting a heavy focus on Ultimate Team is what concerns me. UT was in its early stages when NCAA 14 came out. I can really see them wanting a big focus on that especially if it can help recoup the compensation they have to pay athletes. I can see the big focus on past college athletes.
    The whole "We must embrace change..." pretty much is saying that "we had no choice, but we'll at least try to keep our status quo somehow". I like how they want it done immediately but no later than Jan 2021. I don't think they'll wait until then to get things finalized. I still believe that there would be outside pressure from states. So I can see NCAA wanting things done before next season starts. NCAA can't just say " here we said we are for athletes getting NIL benefits" and stay stagnant. Even if the rule doesn't go into effect before Jan 2021, I can see them getting it finalized before next season starts.
    I think there are a lot of angles people are missing.
    1. They already have a game engine.
    Say what you want about Madden, or Frostbite but with a few tweaks to rules (one foot inbound on a catch etc) they could easily move forward with one game and not two. Interestingly I havent played FotF enough to notice if college specific rules were implemented or if those games were played with NFL rules.
    2. We already had college teams in Madden 20.
    Some pretty big colleges too. I think the fan base would rather have big name colleges and if your 1 star programmes decide not to be part of it...too bad. I would not lose any sleep over it and i dont think it's a deal breaker.
    3. NCAA football should complement MADDEN NFL.
    Most franchise guys want the ability to roster share and to import/export draft classes. This is OBVIOUS! Of course you could buy 2 x $60 games but to buy one game that does everything...
    4. Face of the Franchise mode gets much more interesting.
    You can effectively stay in college for as long as you wish (per the story) and head to the NFL and play a full career there. Knowing you've taken an 18 year old all the way to the hall of fame would be really cool in my mind. Plus you'd have 100's of schools to choose from and maybe the story could be you deciding from high school where to go (they had high school games in NCAA Road to Glory).
    5. Back to CFM
    I play in a 32 team league on Madden. How ****ING cool would it be if CFM allowed for each user to have a college AND pro team in ONE CFM!
    You could even have guys who opt for college only programs for those who are on waiting lists to get into leagues. They build up great college programmes, those players get drafted into the CFM draft. That has HUGE potential to revamp CFM.
    I get that people want to keep things separate because they want NCAA and not Madden, but why not both?
    I could genuinely see NBA2k doing this with college basketball and making one basketball game to rule them all...so why not EA?
    Godgers12
    So is EA going to remaster NCAA 14 on next gen consoles to hold us over till a new game drops now?
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    That would be great but I highly doubt it since that game came with player likenesses and images.
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    Jr.
    Some wording that gives me hesitation from this announcement: "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model." The collegiate model is amateurism. I have a feeling the NCAA is going to nerf this so much that nothing will really change.
    This concerns me.

    I have to say I can see them trying to do that
    Before they even jumped in with the Law. But now it's over because it's so much to lose trying to undermind this thing.The state of California alone with all the Pac12 behind this because of the WC recruiting will hurt College football as we knw it. Plus the Big power schools seen were it was fixing to get out of hand because this law should've been in place so long ago. Big ppl are behind it to we're NCAA had to jump in because it's truly a bad look for so long behind the NCAA badge..But yeah I could see what you mean bro on all u saying I just hope they see the big picture to we're they stand to make even more money since that's what's it's all about anyway..
    Godgers12
    So is EA going to remaster NCAA 14 on next gen consoles to hold us over till a new game drops now?
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    R1zzo23
    That would be great but I highly doubt it since that game came with player likenesses and images.
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    Would be great. But yeah, doubt they could even make it Backwards Compatible unless they make rosters fully random and probably would have to take out roster share as well. Even then, I think EA would have to reacquire the NCAA license first before they could make it BC or remaster. But you don't see sports games getting remastered. Licensing is always an issue. You can't profit off of something they no longer have license for. Plus serious adjustments to engine would have to made if remastered. Updated modern graphics with old engine wouldn't look good. And it's not like they can just use their engine in place for NCAA 14
    illwill10
    Would be great. But yeah, doubt they could even make it Backwards Compatible unless they make rosters fully random and probably would have to take out roster share as well. Even then, I think EA would have to reacquire the NCAA license first before they could make it BC or remaster. But you don't see sports games getting remastered. Licensing is always an issue. You can't profit off of something they no longer have license for. Plus serious adjustments to engine would have to made if remastered. Updated modern graphics with old engine wouldn't look good. And it's not like they can just use their engine in place for NCAA 14

    Well here's to hoping EA pulls off something big since we knw they have some pull by having the schools in M20. But I think they can do what they feel with a game that was under the NCAA before it went out making there game so what's done now to it is on EA. They just didn't touch it because as it was it didn't seem like we was ever going to see College football game. This Law opens the door for them to totally make it BC because we was holding Votes to make it that but wasn't enough backing for EA to mess with it. Now it's a deep group if us all that stand with this game that's always been here but wasn't being heard. Now EA stands a chance to make even more money off of a game that's 6years old..Making it BC is the best way to jump back in with this and take over..My Thoughts on this as I see it but I see where you coming from in this bro.
    Jay Bilas recently said how after NCAA made the announcement yesterday. NCAA called the states and asked them drop the legislatures and were told no. Which keeps the pressure on NCAA. We all know NCAA is against this. So the state's not backing down will call NCAA's bluff
    Yeah, I dont see the NCAA going peacefully into the night on this. Good on the states. Eventually though, as long as the NCAA, schools and conferences get to keep their money and arent directly paying players I think it'll be fine. I did see something from, the NFLPA, I think, talking about looking at the NCAAs TV deals and such, now that is where I think the NCAA will burn everything down.
    I'm not the biggest NCAA fan, but I do believe that the players athletic scholarship should cover their "likeness" with regards to TV. That's like taking a band scholarship, then asking to be compensated for being on TV. Nah, man.
    illwill10
    Jay Bilas recently said how after NCAA made the announcement yesterday. NCAA called the states and asked them drop the legislatures and were told no. Which keeps the pressure on NCAA. We all know NCAA is against this. So the state's not backing down will call NCAA's bluff

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    illwill10
    Jay Bilas recently said how after NCAA made the announcement yesterday. NCAA called the states and asked them drop the legislatures and were told no. Which keeps the pressure on NCAA. We all know NCAA is against this. So the state's not backing down will call NCAA's bluff

    It's just a loophole NCAA had in place. The few that's playing like there not on board is really on board. They knw they have til January of 2021 to get all in order. It will take place it's a Dawn of new gaming. And I'm so glad we will get the chance to play this game with a look and gameplay will chill us. Because still To this Day To this Day😂😂😂.In my Dontay Wilder voice..We play NCAA14 like it just came out. So the live and the fan base are deep enough to we're EA knows this has to come back.
    The student athletes deserve this and it should of happened a long time ago. This might sound crazy but I don't want a NCAA game right away. I want EA to make sure that they handle everything on the legal front. Whatever licences is needed is taken care of and whoever needs to be paid is paid. Then they need to take the time to make sure the gameplay and features are up to our standards.
    Really interested to see how this plays out.
    I highly doubt that EA Sports has just been sitting around and not anticipating this to happen. I would bet my last dollar they already had something in the works.
    My guess is we'll get it July 2022. Crossing fingers for an earlier release.
    illwill10
    Jay Bilas recently said how after NCAA made the announcement yesterday. NCAA called the states and asked them drop the legislatures and were told no. Which keeps the pressure on NCAA. We all know NCAA is against this. So the state's not backing down will call NCAA's bluff

    I suspect the NCAA opposes the colleges paying athletes but will allow third parties to pay the athletes.
    If legislatures require college to pay athletes it will end a lot of non-revenue sports because the legislatures like California - where the state utility provider just filed for bankruptcy - will provide the funding to the colleges to pay the athletes.
    The Black Redneck
    The student athletes deserve this and it should of happened a long time ago. This might sound crazy but I don't want a NCAA game right away. I want EA to make sure that they handle everything on the legal front. Whatever licences is needed is taken care of and whoever needs to be paid is paid. Then they need to take the time to make sure the gameplay and features are up to our standards.

    If you're wanting to wait until the gameplay and features are to our standards then you may as well accept no NCAA game will ever come. If they can't even give the offline players what they want in Madden then they definitely won't give it to us in an NCAA game that will have even less resources.
    tessl
    I suspect the NCAA opposes the colleges paying athletes but will allow third parties to pay the athletes.
    If legislatures require college to pay athletes it will end a lot of non-revenue sports because the legislatures like California - where the state utility provider just filed for bankruptcy - will provide the funding to the colleges to pay the athletes.

    None of these bills have anything about the school paying the athletes. They won't be university employees. This all is just trying to allow them to accept gifts/ money from boosters, businesses, etc. because they're good at a sport.
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    i hope ncaa 2021 or 2022 whenever we get a pc version cuz i havnt been a console player for years and not gonna blow 500 bucks on a ps5 for 1 game
    I wonder if EA would release a new series with players already named or it would be like the old days where the community works together to polish up a basically blank roster. I would at least hope attribute ratings would be somewhat released as relevant with need only of tweaks here and there. I could live with that.As much as I miss the old football series. I have found myself really missing a college basketball game. I truly hope 2K makes a new basketball series, though I would buy a new, yearly EA college basketball effort too.
    Let the good times roll
    AirRaid247
    Really interested to see how this plays out.
    I highly doubt that EA Sports has just been sitting around and not anticipating this to happen. I would bet my last dollar they already had something in the works.
    My guess is we'll get it July 2022. Crossing fingers for an earlier release.

    You betcha...no coincidence that this was announced the same day of NBA Live cancellation. All this NCAA press was determined months ago behind closed doors.
    Cam Fan
    You betcha...no coincidence that this was announced the same day of NBA Live cancellation. All this NCAA press was determined months ago behind closed doors.

    So, your theory is that EA collaborated with the NCAA to make this announcement on this date because they knew they were going to cancel Live?
    You really think the NCAA, which hasn't worked with EA since they got sued agreed to play along for nothing they would benefit from?
    You laid all that out and concluded that it wasn't a coincidence? Really?
    I mean the NCAA basically admitted this was because of the legislation started by California when they called them and asked them to back of on it once they made this announcement.
    It had nothing to do with a video game lol.
    kehlis
    So, your theory is that EA collaborated with the NCAA to make this announcement on this date because they knew they were going to cancel Live?
    You really think the NCAA, which hasn't worked with EA since they got sued agreed to play along for nothing they would benefit from?
    You laid all that out and concluded that it wasn't a coincidence? Really?
    I mean the NCAA basically admitted this was because of the legislation started by California when they called them and asked them to back of on it once they made this announcement.
    It had nothing to do with a video game lol.

    I think EA announced this to reduce the embarrassment of canceling Live. It's rational to think that people would be excited for the hope of an NCAA return that it lessened the impact of Live's cancellation.
    My intent wasn't to say that the NCAA would benefit but that EA would benefit.
    Cam Fan
    I think EA announced this to reduce the embarrassment of canceling Live. It's rationale to think that people would be excited for the hope of an NCAA return that it lessened the impact of Live's cancellation.
    My intent wasn't to say that the NCAA would benefit but that EA would benefit.

    What did EA announce? I must have missed it.
    Cam Fan
    I think EA announced this to reduce the embarrassment of canceling Live. It's rational to think that people would be excited for the hope of an NCAA return that it lessened the impact of Live's cancellation.
    My intent wasn't to say that the NCAA would benefit but that EA would benefit.

    EA didn't announce anything. I think you're severely confused here.
    Does anyone thick that its more than a coincidence that EA decided to add the ability to play as college teams in Madden 20's QB1 mode?
    Modders were able to make the college teams available in that mode playable in Play Now mode.
    I have a feeling that we will see NCAA Football 2021 using Madden 20 as it's base like they used to do with these games. It will probably be a fairly barebones experience with the ability to play a tournament for H2H players and then we will see a fully fleshed out game in 2022. Tua would make for a great cover for the return of the game.
    kehlis
    What did EA announce? I must have missed it.

    Just so we're on the same page....I'm referring to EA's announcement of cancelling Live....not them announcing anything about NCAA. EA just announced Live's cancellation around the time of the NCAA news.
    Cam Fan
    Just so we're on the same page....I'm referring to EA's announcement of cancelling Live....not them announcing anything about NCAA. EA just announced Live's cancellation around the time of the NCAA news.
    That was announced as part of their earnings, there's no connection to the NCAA news.
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    triggerfish1976
    Does anyone thick that its more than a coincidence that EA decided to add the ability to play as college teams in Madden 20's QB1 mode?
    Modders were able to make the college teams available in that mode playable in Play Now mode.
    I have a feeling that we will see NCAA Football 2021 using Madden 20 as it's base like they used to do with these games. It will probably be a fairly barebones experience with the ability to play a tournament for H2H players and then we will see a fully fleshed out game in 2022. Tua would make for a great cover for the return of the game.

    I said it back when FotF was announced and after playing it as well, but I have always felt that EA didn't just create that mode for Madden only and that was it. I thought there was more behind it. Not that they are developing a game completely in the dark, but I would not be surprised at all if FotF was part of a bigger effort that is helping create a foundation for NCAA to return. I highly doubt that the 10 schools featured are the only 10 schools they created uniforms for. I would not be surprised at all if EA actually has a lot of updated assets for the majority of FBS schools. I also wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the work they did for FotF mode, like implementing the new fair catch rule, were to prepare like I said before.
    I could be completely wrong, but I've felt the entire time that FotF was created to get us even more thirsty for an NCAA game and to help get a foundation setup to allow the series to return sooner rather than later if the news was good. The news is good.
    Cam Fan
    Just so we're on the same page....I'm referring to EA's announcement of cancelling Live....not them announcing anything about NCAA. EA just announced Live's cancellation around the time of the NCAA news.

    I would let it go mate, you're mistaken on this one.
    canes21
    I said it back when FotF was announced and after playing it as well, but I have always felt that EA didn't just create that mode for Madden only and that was it. I thought there was more behind it. Not that they are developing a game completely in the dark, but I would not be surprised at all if FotF was part of a bigger effort that is helping create a foundation for NCAA to return. I highly doubt that the 10 schools featured are the only 10 schools they created uniforms for. I would not be surprised at all if EA actually has a lot of updated assets for the majority of FBS schools. I also wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the work they did for FotF mode, like implementing the new fair catch rule, were to prepare like I said before.
    I could be completely wrong, but I've felt the entire time that FotF was created to get us even more thirsty for an NCAA game and to help get a foundation setup to allow the series to return sooner rather than later if the news was good. The news is good.

    I have always thought the exact same thing. Even if not true it's obvious EA knows people want a college football game and are willing to try to appeal to that, which bodes well for the idea of them getting back to making a game as soon as they can get one to market.
    here's the sticky thing for EA making any college sports video game: just like there is no minor league baseball players union to negotiate its players being put into the Show, there is no college players association to deal with either. So EA would have to put in generic players... which is what they did previously... and were still sued by college players. Lots of legal wranglings for EA to maneuver around. I'd like EA's NCAAF/NCAAB to return as much as anyone, and quickly, but it could still be closer to a PS6 release than a PS5. still keeping fingers crossed for a 2021 EA NCAAF.
    Caulfield
    here's the sticky thing for EA making any college sports video game: just like there is no minor league baseball players union to negotiate its players being put into the Show, there is no college players association to deal with either.
    There actually is. EA doesn't need it to make a game, though. They were already going to pay the players before the series was halted, but the NCAA said no. They can 100% use the method they were going to use before without an association representing every single player, though.
    So EA would have to put in generic players... which is what they did previously... and were still sued by college players.
    They were sued because it was just the opposite. They clearly were not using generic players. They were recreating all of the athletes down to the tiniest details they could, just not putting their names in the final release version. We actually found out internally they did have the rosters named. They 100% were using the likeness of players and that is why they got in trouble. There was nothing generic about the rosters at all.
    Lots of legal wranglings for EA to maneuver around. I'd like EA's NCAAF/NCAAB to return as much as anyone, and quickly, but it could still be closer to a PS6 release than a PS5. still keeping fingers crossed for a 2021 EA NCAAF.

    Some responses in bold. I think you are actually on the opposite end of most people and actually estimating it will take a lot more effort than it will to revive the series.
    1) EA does not need an association to get the players in, though it would make things go much smoother. Since the NFLPA is in talks with the Collegiate Players Association, that could be a potentially big thing that makes the return a lot easier.
    2) EA could still go the route they were going to go in the past before the NCAA stopped them. Offer every player a flat rate. Whoever accepts is in the game, whoever isn't is replaced by an actual generic player that doesn't resemble them at all. That is still a viable solution and was what we found out from the court case that they were wanting to do in the first place.
    3) While I'm not saying it is going to happen, it is not unrealistic to think we could have an NCAA game come out in 2021. The bulk of the work on the game would be getting a working dynasty mode on the new framework and updating certain assets like stadiums. Getting logos in and updated uniforms would not be a huge workload. Getting the stadiums updated would be the bulk of the work on the art side. Getting the correct rules in the game wouldn't really take any work at all considering they already have the ability to do it now as was seen in the FotF mode and the fact that we modders can do it in 5 seconds also.
    I don't know if I expect an NCAA game in 2021, but I 100% expect a game sooner than the PS6 generation. The PS6 is probably about a decade away and the player compensation rules are to be in place by January 2021 at the latest. The rules surrounding that and then EA figuring out how they want to compensate the players will be the two biggest hurdles the series coming back will face. After that, the actual game development part isn't going to be some rebuild from the ground up. It will be exactly like it was before, a reskinned Madden with some collegiate features like Dynasty mode. The bulk of the work on the development side will be dynasty mode and then updating assets, mainly the stadiums.
    If I had to guess, barring everything on the compensation side goes smoothly, I'd expect a game in 2022 or 2023.
    canes21
    Some responses in bold. I think you are actually on the opposite end of most people and actually estimating it will take a lot more effort than it will to revive the series.
    1) EA does not need an association to get the players in, though it would make things go much smoother. Since the NFLPA is in talks with the Collegiate Players Association, that could be a potentially big thing that makes the return a lot easier.
    2) EA could still go the route they were going to go in the past before the NCAA stopped them. Offer every player a flat rate. Whoever accepts is in the game, whoever isn't is replaced by an actual generic player that doesn't resemble them at all. That is still a viable solution and was what we found out from the court case that they were wanting to do in the first place.
    3) While I'm not saying it is going to happen, it is not unrealistic to think we could have an NCAA game come out in 2021. The bulk of the work on the game would be getting a working dynasty mode on the new framework and updating certain assets like stadiums. Getting logos in and updated uniforms would not be a huge workload. Getting the stadiums updated would be the bulk of the work on the art side. Getting the correct rules in the game wouldn't really take any work at all considering they already have the ability to do it now as was seen in the FotF mode and the fact that we modders can do it in 5 seconds also.
    I don't know if I expect an NCAA game in 2021, but I 100% expect a game sooner than the PS6 generation. The PS6 is probably about a decade away and the player compensation rules are to be in place by January 2021 at the latest...
    interesting, I wasn't aware there was a college union for student-athletes. as for the player models in the game, I remember there being like 30 different faces in the editor. crazy to think those few faces represented, what, over 8000+ real life people. our court system indeed ****** up
    kehlis
    So, your theory is that EA collaborated with the NCAA to make this announcement on this date because they knew they were going to cancel Live?
    You really think the NCAA, which hasn't worked with EA since they got sued agreed to play along for nothing they would benefit from?
    You laid all that out and concluded that it wasn't a coincidence? Really?
    I mean the NCAA basically admitted this was because of the legislation started by California when they called them and asked them to back of on it once they made this announcement.
    It had nothing to do with a video game lol.

    I think we've got a new 30 for 30 on our hands.
    Caulfield
    interesting, I wasn't aware there was a college union for student-athletes. as for the player models in the game, I remember there being like 30 different faces in the editor. crazy to think those few faces represented, what, over 8000+ real life people. our court system indeed ****** up

    The faces don't really matter for the likeness issue that caused the series to get into trouble. The issue came from every single team, present or class, had every single number match up, every height, weight, etc. matchup with the real world roster. At that point it did not matter if the face actually looked like the player or not. The players were obviously being recreated without compensation and that is what created this mess.
    canes21
    The faces don't really matter for the likeness issue that caused the series to get into trouble. The issue came from every single team, present or class, had every single number match up, every height, weight, etc. matchup with the real world roster. At that point it did not matter if the face actually looked like the player or not. The players were obviously being recreated without compensation and that is what created this mess.
    so then all EA needed to do was create a roster full of 7 foot, 500 pound players all numbered 100 and everything would have been legal from their end? I dont think so, it was the courts that erred IMO
    Caulfield
    so then all EA needed to do was create a roster full of 7 foot, 500 pound players all numbered 100 and everything would have been legal from their end? I dont think so, it was the courts that erred IMO

    If they had done that from the very beginning then they never get into trouble. The courts are not to blame here. The ruling was right. EA played it risky with the way they did things, but they wanted to pay the players. Everyone's frustrations should be placed directly on the NCAA in this situation. But to answer the original question, yes, had EA not had a single player mimicking a real life player they never would have gotten into trouble.
    canes21
    If they had done that from the very beginning then they never get into trouble. The courts are not to blame here. The ruling was right. EA played it risky with the way they did things, but they wanted to pay the players. Everyone's frustrations should be placed directly on the NCAA in this situation. But to answer the original question, yes, had EA not had a single player mimicking a real life player they never would have gotten into trouble.

    they should have just randomized height and weight
    ODogg
    they should have just randomized height and weight
    I just dont understand how a person can claim exclusivity to height weight uniform numbers et al. name, yes. the rest no. I wonder if I can trademark the color purple and make it my own. you wanna use it, I gotsa get paid
    Caulfield
    I just dont understand how a person can claim exclusivity to height weight uniform numbers et al. name, yes. the rest no. I wonder if I can trademark the color purple and make it my own. you wanna use it, I gotsa get paid

    If it was just one player, EA could have claimed coincidence and they would have been okay.
    But by matching age, weight, height, skin color, number, position, and even the home town. For almost every starter and a good amount of backups, you can no longer claim coincidence.
    They can no longer claim coincidence as they are using these players and their likeness to make a profit.
    And lets be honest, that's exactly what they were doing.
    kehlis
    If it was just one player, EA could have claimed coincidence and they would have been okay.
    But by matching age, weight, height, skin color, number, position, and even the home town. For almost every starter and a good amount of backups, you can no longer claim coincidence.
    They can no longer claim coincidence as they are using these players and their likeness to make a profit.
    And lets be honest, that's exactly what they were doing.

    I agree. It's one thing if they tried to be sly. But they were flat out obvious with it. We all knew it and college players knew it. You had guys like Ben Haumiller basically saying which player Alshon Jeffrey was when he was in SC. Most players didn't care because they were happy to be "in" the game. You just had select players who didn't appreciate their likeness being used without compensation. .
    EA should have went with fully randomized players. They could have kept the roster share. The casual fan doesn't know 80% of college players anyway. But doing H & W and let alone Hometown was overkill. That was basically for Online H2H. Because Dynasty, it didn't matter because most either used downloaded rosters or auto generated names. I don't need real NIL. I don't play Online H2H. I would play RTG or in Dynasty, I sim first couple seasons while just recruiting.
    Caulfield
    here's the sticky thing for EA making any college sports video game: just like there is no minor league baseball players union to negotiate its players being put into the Show, there is no college players association to deal with either. So EA would have to put in generic players... which is what they did previously... and were still sued by college players. Lots of legal wranglings for EA to maneuver around. I'd like EA's NCAAF/NCAAB to return as much as anyone, and quickly, but it could still be closer to a PS6 release than a PS5. still keeping fingers crossed for a 2021 EA NCAAF.

    That is what the NCAA is now working on. A legal framework. NFLPA has also gotten involved.
    Remember Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, & many other athletes that want more money to use their likeness? Of course you do. So how is a NCAA game going to get made? Plus no programmer is going to actually make 63 players likeness times 100 plus and do them all well. So if it's made at least the community will have a great starting point on rosters but they will still have to fix the rosters a ton.
    RobotRosKO
    Remember Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, & many other athletes that want more money to use their likeness? Of course you do. So how is a NCAA game going to get made? Plus no programmer is going to actually make 63 players likeness times 100 plus and do them all well. So if it's made at least the community will have a great starting point on rosters but they will still have to fix the rosters a ton.

    Huh? EA already was using the player likenesses in the past. This is why they got into trouble. We already found out during the court case that EA even had the actual player names in their internal roster file, then just shipped the retail version with the generic #s names.
    Is that a hack or something? In Tapatalk the spam account has icons like they're a mod or admin, and they are able to repost the spam every day or so.
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    canes21
    Huh? EA already was using the player likenesses in the past. This is why they got into trouble. We already found out during the court case that EA even had the actual player names in their internal roster file, then just shipped the retail version with the generic #s names.
    I think there's a disconnect somewhere between 2 differing ideas of player likeness. there's the one set of people who think of likeness as facial likeness, but then there is another (like the courts, among others) that takes likeness as not necessarily a facial likeness, just height and weight is all it takes to make it represent a real person. I think the disconnect is the first group of people I mentioned believe that is absurd, even though that's what the courts say is all it takes.
    sorry for the ramble.
    I think its possible EA will settle for likeness not to look the same facially but the right to have heights and weights and numbers and such. I also think a lot of potential EA customers would accept that as enough (myself included). Though for the amount EA will have to pony up, they may want rights to player names as well as player likeness, which are two entirely separate things and aren't necessarily mutually inclusive.
    again, apologies for rambling on
    mestevo
    Is that a hack or something? In Tapatalk the spam account has icons like they're a mod or admin, and they are able to repost the spam every day or so.
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    yeah, I been wondering how a banned bot can still continue to post spam
    mestevo
    Is that a hack or something? In Tapatalk the spam account has icons like they're a mod or admin, and they are able to repost the spam every day or so.
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    Hmm, interesting, I don't use Tapatalk so I don't know but I will pass that info on to Steve. Otherwise, we don't really know how they keep being able to post.
    Caulfield
    I think there's a disconnect somewhere between 2 differing ideas of player likeness. there's the one set of people who think of likeness as facial likeness, but then there is another (like the courts, among others) that takes likeness as not necessarily a facial likeness, just height and weight is all it takes to make it represent a real person. I think the disconnect is the first group of people I mentioned believe that is absurd, even though that's what the courts say is all it takes.
    sorry for the ramble.
    I think its possible EA will settle for likeness not to look the same facially but the right to have heights and weights and numbers and such. I also think a lot of potential EA customers would accept that as enough (myself included). Though for the amount EA will have to pony up, they may want rights to player names as well as player likeness, which are two entirely separate things and aren't necessarily mutually inclusive.
    again, apologies for rambling on

    I guess that is where some confusion could come from. The reason EA got into trouble is because the players were accurate to the real life counterparts in the height, weight, skin tone, class, hometown, and other areas. Sure, the faces were not as identical, but that isn't what likeness means as was found out during the court case.
    The way the likenesses work and why EA got into trouble is when they create somebody in the game and you, the consumer, know who it is even if the name or face is generic. We all knew #2 for Texas A&M Was Johnny Football. We all knew #15 on UF was Tim Tebow. Everyone knew the rosters of their favorite teams and a lot of their conference foes and rivals. They also could tell exactly who every player was based on all of the qualities I already touched on in the first paragraph.
    EA was clearly recreating real players in the game and profiting off of it. Now, a lot of college fans will argue they didn't buy the game because of those rosters, they bought it because of the college, and I would fit into that crowd, but that does not change the fact that EA still recreated those players in the game and simply gave them generic faces and no names and then profited from it. That is why they got into trouble. If one or two players coincidentally matched on a team, that's okay. When all 70 players were not only accurate at the height, weight, skin tone, class, and hometown level, but they also had attributes to make them play like their real life counterparts, the courts could easily tell EA was recreating real players with compensating those players.
    If the series is to return and EA does likely go for using the player likenesses, then that means they will be able to do what they did in the past, but also have the names of the players in the game. The names and likenesses need not be purchased separately like your post seemed to insinuate. When EA gets the rights to use the likeness of a player, that player is giving EA the right to use their name, their body.... their likeness.
    That does not mean at all that the faces need to be recreated. The faces don't have to be accurate or else the likeness isn't used. That is not how it works at all. I can pretty much guarantee you that the next NCAA football game that has player likenesses will just have loads of generic faces in the game. EA could go out and get face scans of the top players or top programs, but I wouldn't ever expect to have all FBS teams with accurate faces. I could see EA getting some face scans, but not too many. Maybe the player on the cover if they start using current players since they'll have the ability to use their likenesses, maybe some star QBs, maybe players from the top 4 or 5 teams, but I still don't see them really doing entire teams. It's just not worth it. If they scanned any faces, my realistic expectations would be just getting a handful of top players, like Trevor Lawrence, Tua, and a couple of others for example.
    The way I see it happening once the ball gets rolling, if it all works out to where the game does return, is that EA will have a uniform compensation package for all players. Accept it and you are in, don't and you're replaced with a generic player. I do not see them trying to set the precedent that top players can demand more money. Most players are going to be thrilled just to be in the game, even the stars, and getting compensated on top of being in the game will be more than enough for 99% of the athletes. I'm sure there will always be some greedy ones that think they are superstars and deserve more, but it'd be an absolutely awful business decision for EA to even entertain that player's demands.
    Where I could see some issues, and they shouldn't be issues with current tech, but is if EA does not have accurate roster sizes then how do you decide what athletes are put into the game. Given modern consoles and their specs, EA should 100% be able to have rosters that have every single scholarship player in the game. I cannot imagine they return the series and still limit the roster to 70 players. The hardware is way beyond that limit at this point and the next gen consoles that are coming soon are 100% going to be able to handle all FBS teams and 120-man rosters if EA really wanted to include walk-ons, too, but I don't see them paying for the likeness of anybody besides scholarship players and potentially coaches depending on the rules around that.
    canes21... I agree with you.
    I actually don't think it will be that difficult for EA to have a release form distributed among the schools to each player. If they have a signed release to include the student athlete, then the student athlete is in. The compensation would be minimal and I'm not sure even legally necessary. No signed release, no inclusion. They can negotiate compensation for whoever is on the cover or other specialty featured athletes.
    EA could easily protect themselves by not allowing roster edits. That might bum out the hardcore NCAA players here, but honestly we're don't drive their economics. Casual gamers do. Why risk a lawsuit from a celebrity athlete saying game designers enabled an easy work around to use their likeness?
    Given what we heard from the devs of Maximum Football, the schools will probably want no roster editing, or at least any roster sharing built into the game. That said, if EA is getting the likenesses of the players then the vast majority of fans won't care about the lack of roster share.
    canes21
    Given what we heard from the devs of Maximum Football, the schools will probably want no roster editing, or at least any roster sharing built into the game. That said, if EA is getting the likenesses of the players then the vast majority of fans won't care about the lack of roster share.

    Agreed... makes sense.
    I'm starting to think coordinating all the licensing between conferences, schools, Bowls, ESPN, Heisman, etc... will be a more difficult task. EA gained those licenses over YEARS of developing the game... it didn't happen overnight, they just continued to accumulate them over two decades. Maybe it will be easier than I think to reacquire them.
    Unless things have changed, practically all FBS schools' licenses were handled by two companies. EA would more or less have to strike deals with those two companies which is exactly what they were doing before the series was halted.
    The schools would have the power to not be included, but now that the rules are changing the schools probably are not going to be as scared since the players will be getting compensated and that is what started all of this.
    canes21
    Unless things have changed, practically all FBS schools' licenses were handled by two companies. EA would more or less have to strike deals with those two companies which is exactly what they were doing before the series was halted.
    The schools would have the power to not be included, but now that the rules are changing the schools probably are not going to be as scared since the players will be getting compensated and that is what started all of this.

    Ididn't know that, that's great news. So what's your own personal opinion about the chances for a new game in thr next 2 years?
    Earliest I could imagine is in 2021, but even then it may be too soon. It will really depend on how quickly they get the rules set up for the players. Will we really have everything done by January 2021 like the NCAA said, or will we see it get delayed time and time again? If we actually get the rules setup before Jan 2021 then I could see it potentially releasing that summer, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
    We gotta see how quickly they setup the rules first and then see if anything hints towards EA reviving the series. I'd assume they're gonna have to build dynasty mode from the ground up, so who knows how quickly they can do that.

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