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NBA 2K21 Roster Update Available Today - Full Details Here (2-18)

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NBA 2K21 Roster Update Available Today - Full Details Here (2-18)

2K has released a new NBA 2K21 roster update today, as the team continues to update the overall ratings for players throughout the season.

Here are some of the biggest movers.

GOING UP:

  • Chris Paul: 87 OVR (+2)
  • LaMelo Ball: 83 OVR (+2)
  • Terry Rozier III: 83 OVR (+2)
  • Tyrese Haliburton: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Al Horford: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Victor Oladipo: 81 OVR (-2)
  • Louis Williams: 81 OVR (+3)
  • Immanuel Quickley: 79 OVR (+2)
  • Lonzo Ball: 79 OVR (+2)
  • Carmelo Anthony: 79 OVR (+2)
  • T.J. McConnell: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Frank Kaminsky III: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Saddiq Bey: 78 OVR (+4)
  • Kyle Kuzma: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Kelly Oubre Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Grayson Allen: 76 OVR (+2)
  • James Ennis: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Isaiah Stewart: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Darius Bazley: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Anfernee Simons: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Kent Bazemore: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Kenrich Williams: 76 OVR (+3)
  • Desmond Bane: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Justin Jackson: 75 OVR (+3)
  • Juan Toscano: 75 OVR (+3)
  • Dylan Windler: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Kira Lewis Jr.: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Darius Miller: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Mychal Mulder: 73 OVR (+2)
  • Max Strus: 72 OVR (+3)
  • Skylar Mays: 71 OVR (+3)
  • Drew Eubanks: 71 OVR (+3)

GOING DOWN:

  • Harrison Barnes: 79 OVR (-2)
  • Seth Curry: 78 OVR (-2)
  • Duncan Robinson: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Maxi Kleber: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Terence Davis: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Damion Lee: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Taurean Prince: 73 OVR (-2)
  • Yuta Watanabe: 72 OVR (-2)

Check out all of the changes below and let us know what you think.

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  • Stephen Curry: 96 OVR (+1)
  • Jayson Tatum: 90 OVR (-1)
  • Karl-Anthony Towns: 89 OVR (-1)
  • Bam Adebayo: 88 OVR (-1)

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  • Ben Simmons: 88 OVR (+1)
  • Zach LaVine: 88 OVR (+1)
  • Zion Williamson: 88 OVR (+1)
  • Domantas Sabonis: 87 OVR (+1)
  • Chris Paul: 87 OVR (+2)
  • Jrue Holiday: 86 OVR (+1)

nba 2k21 roster update 1

  • De’Aaron Fox: 86 OVR (+1)
  • Julius Randle: 86 OVR (+1)

nba 2k21 roster update 2

  • Ja Morant: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Gordon Hayward: 85 OVR (-1)

nba 2k21 roster update 4

  • Jamal Murray: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Malcolm Brogdon: 85 OVR (-1)

nba 2k21 roster update 3

  • Kemba Walker: 84 OVR (-1)
  • Collin Sexton: 83 OVR (-1)
  • Andre Drummond: 83 OVR (-1)
  • Jerami Grant: 83 OVR (-1)
  • John Wall: 83 OVR (-1)

nba 2k21 roster update 5

  • LaMelo Ball: 83 OVR (+2)
  • Terry Rozier III: 83 OVR (+2)
  • Jonas Valančiūnas: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Jordan Clarkson: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Eric Gordon: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Dejounte Murray: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Malik Beasley: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Tyrese Haliburton: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Al Horford: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Victor Oladipo: 81 OVR (-2)
  • Hassan Whiteside: 81 OVR (+1)
  • Louis Williams: 81 OVR (+3)
  • Goran Dragić: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Steven Adams: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Keldon Johnson: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Thaddeus Young: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Kyle Anderson: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Mason Plumlee: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Norman Powell: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Harrison Barnes: 79 OVR (-2)
  • DeMarcus Cousins: 79 OVR (-1)
  • Coby White: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Marcus Morris Sr: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Jeremy Lamb: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Draymond Green: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Immanuel Quickley: 79 OVR (+2)
  • Lonzo Ball: 79 OVR (+2)
  • Carmelo Anthony: 79 OVR (+2)
  • Seth Curry: 78 OVR (-2)
  • Daniel Theis: 78 OVR (-1)
  • P.J. Washington: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Josh Richardson: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Eric Bledsoe: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Blake Griffin: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Rudy Gay: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Patrick Mills: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Rui Hachimura: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Devonte Graham: 78 OVR (+1)
  • Dario Šarić: 78 OVR (+1)
  • Gary Trent Jr.: 78 OVR (+1)
  • T.J. McConnell: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Frank Kaminsky III: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Saddiq Bey: 78 OVR (+4)
  • Buddy Hield: 77 OVR (-1)
  • Terrence Ross: 77 OVR (-1)
  • Tristan Thompson: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Nerlens Noel: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Delon Wright: 77 OVR (+1)
  • David Nwaba: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Jakob Poeltl: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Kyle Kuzma: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Kelly Oubre Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Pat Connaughton: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Will Barton: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Obi Toppin: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Josh Jackson: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Jae’Sean Tate: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Mike Muscala: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Isaiah Roby: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Grayson Allen: 76 OVR (+2)
  • James Ennis: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Isaiah Stewart: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Darius Bazley: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Anfernee Simons: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Kent Bazemore: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Kenrich Williams: 76 OVR (+3)
  • Duncan Robinson: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Maxi Kleber: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Terence Davis: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Damion Lee: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Deni Avdija: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Danny Green: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Onyeka Okongwu: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Rajon Rondo: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Malik Monk: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Austin Rivers: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Taj Gibson: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Alex Caruso: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Nickeil Alexander-Walker: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Lonnie Walker IV: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Torrey Craig: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Denzel Valentine: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Tomas Satoransky: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Justin Holiday: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Desmond Bane: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Justin Jackson: 75 OVR (+3)
  • Juan Toscano: 75 OVR (+3)
  • Aron Baynes: 74 OVR (-1)
  • P.J. Tucker: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Rodney Hood: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Bryn Forbes: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Jake Layman: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Jaylen Nowell: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Dylan Windler: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Kira Lewis Jr.: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Darius Miller: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Taurean Prince: 73 OVR (-2)
  • Furkan Korkmaz: 73 OVR (-1)
  • D.J. Augustin: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Isaac Okoro: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Andre Iguodala: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Stanley Johnson: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Danuel House: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Ben McLemore: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Josh Okogie: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Harry Giles III: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Semi Ojeleye: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Mychal Mulder: 73 OVR (+2)
  • Yuta Watanabe: 72 OVR (-2)
  • Jalen Smith: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Glenn Robinson III: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Terance Mann: 72 OVR (+1)
  • Zeke Nnaji: 72 OVR (+1)
  • Max Strus: 72 OVR (+3)
  • Damyean Dotson: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Gary Clark: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Skylar Mays: 71 OVR (+3)
  • Drew Eubanks: 71 OVR (+3)
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  1. The disrespect Lillard gets is insane - putting up multiple MVP performances and elevating all around him with his #2 & #3 man out. Should at bare minimum get HOF Clutch Shooter.
    Lavine a 88 while Mitchell and Booker (NBA player of the week) 87... are you kidding me?
    Porzingis still a 86, ok... but without the deep range badge yet, when he always shoot the 3 from very long distance...
    The disrespect of this game to some players and the love for others is disgusting.
    Basketball is much more than stats and its about winning first and foremost... Come on now 2k, you can do it better...
    Feeling a bit out of it today so didn't start work on the update. Will probably stream some a little later tonight.
    ksuttonjr76
    Seems like a lot of changes.

    140 Total players w/ OVR adjustments.
    43 Big Movers (32 Up, 11 Down)
    jk31
    who cares about ovr? increase intangibles if you want the player to have a high ovr :D

    As I've discussed a bit the last two months, the primary function of OVR is to ensure rotations work properly. They need to function within the team, rather than the scope of the league.
    The way 2K dumps their ratings as a clumped together wall of text is pretty ineffective as a whole. 140 players w/ movement and yet no meaningful information is discussed. It's like patch notes w/o notes.
    Find_the_Door
    The disrespect Lillard gets is insane - putting up multiple MVP performances and elevating all around him with his #2 & #3 man out. Should at bare minimum get HOF Clutch Shooter.

    He has Gold Clutch Shooter. That is hardly "disrespect".
    The players w/ HOF Clutch Shooter are all Classics: Jerry West, Michael Jordan (only one version), Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Robert Horry.
    Lillard has only cracked 40 points 3x this year (by comparison, he averaged 38 in the bubble). I'm not sure what from his statistical profile suggests he needs a higher rating.
    Dame's biggest drawback is that he doesn't impact the game defensively in a meaningful way. This isn't unique to Point Guards (a very small handful ever have an elite level impact), but it does hard-cap most of their OVR ratings as a result. The Blazers are 29th defensively, following up the 28th they ranked last season. That inevitably reflects in Dame's ratings.
    Guard-ian
    Lavine a 88 while Mitchell and Booker (NBA player of the week) 87... are you kidding me?
    Porzingis still a 86, ok... but without the deep range badge yet, when he always shoot the 3 from very long distance...
    The disrespect of this game to some players and the love for others is disgusting.
    Basketball is much more than stats and its about winning first and foremost... Come on now 2k, you can do it better...

    LAVINE is playing better than Mitchell and Booker
    Guard-ian
    Lavine a 88 while Mitchell and Booker (NBA player of the week) 87... are you kidding me?

    I'm not sure why you seem to think 2K should disregard stats.
    Zach LaVine (22.7 PER)
    29-5-6 in 36 MPG (52-44-85 shooting)
    65 TS% (17th) on 31 USG%
    25 AST% on 1.34 ATR
    Donovan Mitchell (18.9 PER)
    24-4-5 in 34 MPG (43-39-83 shooting)
    56 TS% on 31 USG%
    25 AST% on 1.73 ATR
    Devin Booker (17.2 PER)
    24-4-4 in 35 MPG (49-35-83 shooting)
    59 TS% on 31 USG%
    21 AST% on 1.24 ATR
    LaVine has had the best year of the three and there isn't much to debate there.
    For context, 65 TS% has him literally sandwiched between Kevin Durant & James Harden among high-usage scorers. There are few guards in history who have ever shot the ball as well as LaVine is right now.
    Porzingis still a 86, ok... but without the deep range badge yet, when he always shoot the 3 from very long distance...

    Porzingis is 2-5 from 30 feet this year (now 13-31 in his career).
    While I would agree that he needs the badge, his actual frequency is far less than your post would indicate. "Always" =/= "Sometimes"
    The disrespect of this game to some players and the love for others is disgusting.
    Basketball is much more than stats and its about winning first and foremost... Come on now 2k, you can do it better...

    It's also more than just about opinions.
    Sorted by team:
    SIXERS
    Ben Simmons: 88 OVR (+1)
    Seth Curry: 78 OVR (-2)
    Danny Green: 75 OVR (-1)
    Furkan Korkmaz: 73 OVR (-1)
    BUCKS
    Jrue Holiday: 86 OVR (+1)
    Pat Connaughton: 76 OVR (-1)
    Torrey Craig: 75 OVR (+1)
    Bryn Forbes: 74 OVR (+1)
    D.J. Augustin: 73 OVR (-1)
    BULLS
    Zach LaVine: 88 OVR (+1)
    Thaddeus Young: 80 OVR (+1)
    Coby White: 79 OVR (+1)
    Denzel Valentine: 75 OVR (+1)
    Tomas Satoransky: 75 OVR (+1)
    Max Strus: 72 OVR (+3)
    CAVALIERS
    Collin Sexton: 83 OVR (-1)
    Andre Drummond: 83 OVR (-1)
    Dylan Windler: 74 OVR (+2)
    Taurean Prince: 73 OVR (-2)
    Isaac Okoro: 73 OVR (-1)
    Damyean Dotson: 71 OVR (-1)
    CELTICS
    Jayson Tatum: 90 OVR (-1)
    Kemba Walker: 84 OVR (-1)
    Daniel Theis: 78 OVR (-1)
    Tristan Thompson: 77 OVR (+1)
    Semi Ojeleye: 73 OVR (+1)
    CLIPPERS
    Louis Williams: 81 OVR (+3)
    Marcus Morris Sr: 79 OVR (+1)
    Terance Mann: 72 OVR (+1)
    GRIZZLIES
    Ja Morant: 85 OVR (-1)
    Jonas Valančiūnas: 82 OVR (+1)
    Kyle Anderson: 80 OVR (+1)
    Grayson Allen: 76 OVR (+2)
    Desmond Bane: 75 OVR (+2)
    HAWKS
    Onyeka Okongwu: 75 OVR (-1)
    Rajon Rondo: 75 OVR (-1)
    Skylar Mays: 71 OVR (+3)
    HEAT
    Bam Adebayo: 88 OVR (-1)
    Goran Dragić: 80 OVR (-1)
    Duncan Robinson: 75 OVR (-2)
    Andre Iguodala: 73 OVR (-1)
    HORNETS
    Gordon Hayward: 85 OVR (-1)
    LaMelo Ball: 83 OVR (+2)
    Terry Rozier III: 83 OVR (+2)
    P.J. Washington: 78 OVR (-1)
    Devonte Graham: 78 OVR (+1)
    Malik Monk: 75 OVR (-1)
    JAZZ
    Jordan Clarkson: 82 OVR (+1)
    KINGS
    De’Aaron Fox: 86 OVR (+1)
    Tyrese Haliburton: 82 OVR (+2)
    Hassan Whiteside: 81 OVR (+1)
    Harrison Barnes: 79 OVR (-2)
    Buddy Hield: 77 OVR (-1)
    Glenn Robinson III: 72 OVR (-1)
    KNICKS
    Julius Randle: 86 OVR (+1)
    Immanuel Quickley: 79 OVR (+2)
    Nerlens Noel: 77 OVR (+1)
    Obi Toppin: 76 OVR (+1)
    Austin Rivers: 75 OVR (-1)
    Taj Gibson: 75 OVR (-1)
    LAKERS
    Kyle Kuzma: 77 OVR (+2)
    Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 75 OVR (-2)
    Alex Caruso: 75 OVR (-1)
    MAGIC
    Terrence Ross: 77 OVR (-1)
    James Ennis: 76 OVR (+2)
    Gary Clark: 71 OVR (-1)
    MAVS
    Josh Richardson: 78 OVR (-1)
    Maxi Kleber: 75 OVR (-2)
    NETS
    NUGGETS
    Jamal Murray: 85 OVR (-1)
    Will Barton: 76 OVR (-1)
    Zeke Nnaji: 72 OVR (+1)
    PACERS
    Domantas Sabonis: 87 OVR (+1)
    Malcolm Brogdon: 85 OVR (-1)
    Jeremy Lamb: 79 OVR (+1)
    T.J. McConnell: 78 OVR (+2)
    Justin Holiday: 75 OVR (+1)
    PELICANS
    Zion Williamson: 88 OVR (+1)
    Steven Adams: 80 OVR (-1)
    Lonzo Ball: 79 OVR (+2)
    Eric Bledsoe: 78 OVR (-1)
    Nickeil Alexander-Walker: 75 OVR (-1)
    Kira Lewis Jr.: 74 OVR (+2)
    PISTONS
    Jerami Grant: 83 OVR (-1)
    Mason Plumlee: 80 OVR (+1)
    Saddiq Bey: 78 OVR (+4)
    Blake Griffin: 78 OVR (-1)
    Delon Wright: 77 OVR (+1)
    Josh Jackson: 76 OVR (+1)
    Isaiah Stewart: 76 OVR (+2)
    RAPTORS
    Norman Powell: 80 OVR (+1)
    Terence Davis: 75 OVR (-2)
    Aron Baynes: 74 OVR (-1)
    Stanley Johnson: 73 OVR (-1)
    Yuta Watanabe: 72 OVR (-2)
    ROCKETS
    John Wall: 83 OVR (-1)
    Eric Gordon: 82 OVR (+1)
    Victor Oladipo: 81 OVR (-2)
    DeMarcus Cousins: 79 OVR (-1)
    David Nwaba: 77 OVR (+1)
    Jae’Sean Tate: 76 OVR (+1)
    P.J. Tucker: 74 OVR (-1)
    Danuel House: 73 OVR (-1)
    Ben McLemore: 73 OVR (-1)
    SPURS
    Dejounte Murray: 82 OVR (+1)
    Keldon Johnson: 80 OVR (-1)
    Rudy Gay: 78 OVR (-1)
    Patrick Mills: 78 OVR (-1)
    Jakob Poeltl: 77 OVR (+1)
    Lonnie Walker IV: 75 OVR (-1)
    Drew Eubanks: 71 OVR (+3)
    SUNS
    Chris Paul: 87 OVR (+2)
    Dario Šarić: 78 OVR (+1)
    Frank Kaminsky III: 78 OVR (+2)
    Jalen Smith: 72 OVR (-1)
    THUNDER
    Al Horford: 82 OVR (+2)
    Mike Muscala: 76 OVR (+1)
    Isaiah Roby: 76 OVR (+1)
    Darius Bazley: 76 OVR (+2)
    Kenrich Williams: 76 OVR (+3)
    Justin Jackson: 75 OVR (+3)
    Darius Miller: 74 OVR (+2)
    T-WOLVES
    Karl-Anthony Towns: 89 OVR (-1)
    Malik Beasley: 82 OVR (+1)
    Jake Layman: 74 OVR (+1)
    Jaylen Nowell: 74 OVR (+1)
    Josh Okogie: 73 OVR (-1)
    T-BLAZERS
    Carmelo Anthony: 79 OVR (+2)
    Gary Trent Jr.: 78 OVR (+1)
    Anfernee Simons: 76 OVR (+2)
    Rodney Hood: 74 OVR (-1)
    Harry Giles III: 73 OVR (-1)
    WARRIORS
    Stephen Curry: 96 OVR (+1)
    Draymond Green: 79 OVR (+1)
    Kelly Oubre Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
    Kent Bazemore: 76 OVR (+2)
    Damion Lee: 75 OVR (-2)
    Juan Toscano: 75 OVR (+3)
    Mychal Mulder: 73 OVR (+2)
    WIZARDS
    Rui Hachimura: 78 OVR (-1)
    Deni Avdija: 75 OVR (-1)
    Real2KInsider
    I'm not sure why you seem to think 2K should disregard stats.
    Zach LaVine (22.7 PER)
    29-5-6 in 36 MPG (52-44-85 shooting)
    65 TS% (17th) on 31 USG%
    25 AST% on 1.34 ATR
    Donovan Mitchell (18.9 PER)
    24-4-5 in 34 MPG (43-39-83 shooting)
    56 TS% on 31 USG%
    25 AST% on 1.73 ATR
    Devin Booker (17.2 PER)
    24-4-4 in 35 MPG (49-35-83 shooting)
    59 TS% on 31 USG%
    21 AST% on 1.24 ATR
    LaVine has had the best year of the three and there isn't much to debate there.
    For context, 65 TS% has him literally sandwiched between Kevin Durant & James Harden among high-usage scorers. There are few guards in history who have ever shot the ball as well as LaVine is right now.
    Porzingis is 2-5 from 30 feet this year (now 13-31 in his career).
    While I would agree that he needs the badge, his actual frequency is far less than your post would indicate. "Always" =/= "Sometimes"
    It's also more than just about opinions.

    Beautifully said. Always look forward to your analysis when a new roster update drops
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Can anybody explain to me who designed this official "courtside report" page and why it looks so bad? Who thinks it's cool to use font size 70+ for the header and then an image that is bigger than my 4k monitor? Looks really horrible.
    I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.
    And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...
    Lavine is not a better player than Mitchell or Booker... and I am not necessarily questioning Zach's 88, that could be well deserved... I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already (if we are going to put a number in the level of a player)... And now their teams are competing well in the way harder Western Conference... that should count either... but no, 2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.
    What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...
    Whiteside 81+ just becuase he performed well in a couple of games lately when his season was been atrocious so far... however the NBA player of the week keep the same... no consistency... even no objectivity from my perspective...
    Cheers! ;-)
    Guard-ian
    I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.
    And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...
    Lavine is not a better player than Mitchell or Booker... and I am not necessarily questioning Zach's 88, that could be well deserved... I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already (if we are going to put a number in the level of a player)... And now their teams are competing well in the way harder Western Conference... that should count either... but no, 2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.
    What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...
    Whiteside 81+ just becuase he performed well in a couple of games lately when his season was been atrocious so far... however the NBA player of the week keep the same... no consistency... even no objectivity from my perspective...
    Cheers! ;-)
    Naw...this is a videogame. These players are a replication of their stats. Heart, team chemistry, ability to learn, etc can't be measured, but that doesn't matter because the gamer is the "human" element. There's so much stuff that can be measured these days, that you can come pretty damn close to recreating the player in digital form.
    Guard-ian
    I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.

    That's well and good, but a number of the attributes are tied to statistical formulas. Ditto for most of the badges.
    Editing 500 players without statistics is impossible.
    And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...

    Typically, players who put up "numbers" on bad teams are doing so at the expense of their efficiency. That isn't the case here w/ LaVine. In past years yes, but not this year.
    I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already

    Their production suggests otherwise. Both are having subpar seasons and neither is likely to make the All-Star team this year (I wouldn't call them elite anymore than I would LaVine).
    2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.

    You're displeased w/ their OVR, but no specific attributes/badges have been referenced. Mostly, it seems like you want them to disregard their available information, but aren't providing any alternate criteria for them to work with.
    In the case of Mitchell/Booker, neither is the best player on their team. Both play with multiple players that are better than whoever we consider the 2nd best player on LaVine's team. Team record isn't really a factor when discussing a player's 3pt rating, rebound rating, or whatever else is being quantified.
    What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...

    Jerami Grant is shooting 42% over the last two weeks. He's also down to only 3.6 RPG in 38 MPG in February. He dropped 43 in his last game, but also had 15, 15, and 9 in the prior three (27 FG%) Gotta take the bad with the good.
    I'm with the @Real2kinsider
    Lavine over Booker & Mitchell. When guys often say Booker and Mitchell are better players I think you guys are P.o.P (prisoners of the past)
    Both guys get more notoriety than Lavine. B.) Both players have had higher peaks during their careers.
    C.) Keep in mind this is relative to this season and not a whole career body of work.
    D.) In career perspective you can say Book,Spida & lavine in that order
    E) Book has only been playing a quarter of the month, Spida has been marginal with few to below his spectrum of statistical outburst that boost or increase his per's & avgs (albeit while the jazz are playing phenomenal team ball)
    F.) The bulls are slippery slope about as good as full retail bogo. However Lavine has 2 game winners/over time pushers this month and from January his numbers across the board are up.
    As far as technical skills; all 3 guys are 3 level scorers (IRL) were talking about 1 ovr point among 3 players and Lavine is nearly bringing 30 a night.
    It might hurt to hear but as of today Lavine is the top dawg. And God willing he stays healthy and him & Beal will be in same conversation. Lavine will drop 29.4 a game this year
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    Guard-ian
    I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.
    And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...
    Lavine is not a better player than Mitchell or Booker... and I am not necessarily questioning Zach's 88, that could be well deserved... I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already (if we are going to put a number in the level of a player)... And now their teams are competing well in the way harder Western Conference... that should count either... but no, 2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.
    What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...
    Whiteside 81+ just becuase he performed well in a couple of games lately when his season was been atrocious so far... however the NBA player of the week keep the same... no consistency... even no objectivity from my perspective...
    Cheers! ;-)

    What I usually don´t get with this statements "player xyz has only xx overall, he should be yy".. Why in the name of god you compare those overall numbers? they don´t mean anything in this videogame, more precisely it´s not determined how well a player plays regarding to his overall. The individual ratings are debateable, if you have a certain scale which you base them on (e.g. 35% shooting from deep means 75 3p rating in game), you can debate then any mistakes 2k may made.
    But overalls are just super misleading. It would be more helpful to put them into tiers or levels, and then I think people could debate if Lavine is in the same tier as Mitchell or above/below.
    Real2KInsider

    He has Gold Clutch Shooter. That is hardly "disrespect".
    The players w/ HOF Clutch Shooter are all Classics: Jerry West, Michael Jordan (only one version), Larry Bird, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Robert Horry.
    Lillard has only cracked 40 points 3x this year (by comparison, he averaged 38 in the bubble). I'm not sure what from his statistical profile suggests he needs a higher rating.
    Dame's biggest drawback is that he doesn't impact the game defensively in a meaningful way. This isn't unique to Point Guards (a very small handful ever have an elite level impact), but it does hard-cap most of their OVR ratings as a result. The Blazers are 29th defensively, following up the 28th they ranked last season. That inevitably reflects in Dame's ratings.

    There are numerous players with Gold clutch shooter that aren't as clutch statistically as Lillard is in measurable stats. As far as not impacting the game defensively he does on occasion intercepting passes or stripping someone (they have him fairly rated there.)
    Blazers defense lately has improved - I don't care what your box score watching says hustle, physicality/aggressiveness cannot be statistically measured.
    To circle back - Lillard's "disrespected" by way of having numerous other individuals in the game on the same clutch plateau. Either lower them a notch or bump him a badge.
    Find_the_Door
    There are numerous players with Gold clutch shooter that aren't as clutch statistically as Lillard is in measurable stats. As far as not impacting the game defensively he does on occasion intercepting passes or stripping someone (they have him fairly rated there.)

    I would be interested in the source, as I recently read Lillard is shooting like 80 TS% or something in "Clutch time". 2K gave Ice In Veins (Clutch Shooter for FTs) to a bunch of randoms (mostly bad FT shooters) and I've been unable to find a source.
    FWIW, I don't evaluate badges on a single-season basis (and neither does 2K, in most cases). They also mainly reserve HOF badges for Classic players rather than current players.
    In any event, Lillard has the same tier as Kobe and 5 different versions of MJ so I think the word "disrespectful" is a bit strong. You can make an argument for it, but you could just as easily flip a coin.
    Blazers defense lately has improved - I don't care what your box score watching says hustle, physicality/aggressiveness cannot be statistically measured.

    This is a bit of an ironic take since you just referenced a specific niche stat. It would seem like you only wish to use stats when it suits your argument.
    The Blazers give up 115.9 points per 100 possessions (only the Kings are worse at a historically ghastly 118.9). It can in fact be statistically measured. Hustle and effort do not equate to effectiveness. The team literally starts Enes Kanter and plays Carmelo Anthony big minutes.
    To circle back - Lillard's "disrespected" by way of having numerous other individuals in the game on the same clutch plateau. Either lower them a notch or bump him a badge.

    There's probably a better argument for decreases. I'm not intimately familiar w/ who has the Clutch badge (not in front of the game), so perhaps you could inform us who you think should go down?
    Real2KInsider
    That's well and good, but a number of the attributes are tied to statistical formulas. Ditto for most of the badges.
    Editing 500 players without statistics is impossible.

    And there it is the mistake... you can not use just stats to determine the level of competency in something as abstract and rich as a game like basketball... The only real important number at the end of the day is the final score and the W/L balance. A player with 10-5-5 could have been better an played better than another one with 20-10-10 (Westbrick anyone? LOL...)
    Even as symple as a 3 point rating could be... you cannot just look to 3pts % numbers, because the number of situations for shooting a 3 and the range of difficulty of those shots is immense... you cannot compare the shots of Luka Doncic with the shots of Lou Dort.
    And regarding editing 500 players... Football Manager has a database of many more players, created by a group of experts who actually watch and understand the sport and who don't base their ratings mainly on numbers...
    That's what I ask for... a group of experts who actually watch NBA basketball putting those ratings and badges based on their feeling and knowledge of the game. I can trust the subjectivity of that model much more than the objectivty of stats... The ball don't lie... stats do it.
    (If you have to put an overal rating to players...) How can Reggie Bullock still be a 71? Even Julius Randle only an 86 with the kind of season he is playing? It is unacceptable in my book.
    And one last thing I don't like of these ratings updates... specially for NBA veterans, ratings should not fluctuate that much, you should trust the background of a player much more than the last 2 or 3 games... Porzingis cannot go from 83 3pts to 75 only to go back to 81 in 3pts two weeks later... It's ridiculous for a veteran that you know (because of his full career performance) is a good 3 point menace.
    Real2KInsider

    There's probably a better argument for decreases. I'm not intimately familiar w/ who has the Clutch badge (not in front of the game), so perhaps you could inform us who you think should go down?

    Without stating anything about if the badges are deserved, but here is the list of players who has gold clutch shooter right now:
    JimmyButler
    StephenCurry
    LukaDoncic
    KevinDurant
    JamesHarden
    KyrieIrving
    LeBronJames
    NikolaJokic
    KawhiLeonard
    DamianLillard
    C.J.McCollum
    D'AngeloRussell
    KlayThompson
    KembaWalker
    TraeYoung
    Guard-ian
    And there it is the mistake... you can not use just stats to determine the level of competency in something as abstract and rich as a game like basketball...

    And yet, professional basketball teams do this.
    Stats are a tool. Understanding data helps us make better decisions.
    The only real important number at the end of the day is the final score and the W/L balance. A player with 10-5-5 could have been better an played better than another one with 20-10-10 (Westbrick anyone? LOL...)
    Even as symple as a 3 point rating could be... you cannot just look to 3pts % numbers, because the number of situations for shooting a 3 and the range of difficulty of those shots is immense... you cannot compare the shots of Luka Doncic with the shots of Lou Dort.

    Correct. There are also numerous other stats to account for when evaluating a rating. Things like contested shots, assisted shots, usage rates, Spot Up data, these things are all measured nowadays. This isn't 1982. We have access to a ton more information, not to mention the obvious context that Luka and Dort have wildly different roles.
    (Badges tell us the difference between Lu Dort and Luka Doncic, btw. Two players can have the same rating and generate vastly different results. This isn't 2K3 where we only have the shot attribute and that's it. We have 17 shooting badges that encapsulate everything that USED to be covered by a single attribute).
    Anyone that thinks they can create a roster w/o using stats - don't tell me, show me.
    40 Attributes, 73 Badges, 80 Tendencies, 500 Players. Go for it.
    And regarding editing 500 players... Football Manager has a database of many more players, created by a group of experts who actually watch and understand the sport and who don't base their ratings mainly on numbers...

    Football of course is a perfect analogue to Basketball, given the extensive variety of roles a player experiences during their career. Wait, what's that? Quarterbacks don't play defense or kick field goals? The guy who kicks the ball never has to run down field? Crazy.
    I don't profess to know anything about Football attributes but I kinda doubt each player/position has more than 10 relevant to their performance. The Kicker doesn't have a Hands rating.
    That's what I ask for... a group of experts who actually watch NBA basketball putting those ratings and badges based on their feeling and knowledge of the game. I can trust the subjectivity of that model much more than the objectivty of stats... The ball don't lie... stats do it.

    I hate to break it to you but experts lie. Frequently. Charles Barkley just said on live TV he'd take Jordan Clarkson > Anthony Davis for All-Star. You want subjective opinions to trump objective information? That's the definition of bias and you would of course be pissy about it (as would everyone - absolutely nothing would change w/ this model).
    At the end of the day the rosters ARE someone's opinion, they just weight certain attributes objectively. Why someone should work blindfolded, I have no idea. Go get Isiah Thomas and Charles Barkley to run the 2K roster if you think "experts" that can't math are the right people to numerically assess skill.
    And one last thing I don't like of these ratings updates... specially for NBA veterans, ratings should not fluctuate that much, you should trust the background of a player much more than the last 2 or 3 games...

    I agree that 2K fluctuates shot ratings more than they should. They tanked Zach LaVine's 3pt rating in the first update, which looks absolutely foolish in retrospect.
    They do factor past performance, but their practice is made ineffective by placing too much emphasis on the current year. This isn't because stats are bad - the people applying them are too inexperienced to understand the proper sample.
    Porzingis cannot go from 83 3pts to 75 only to go back to 81 in 3pts two weeks later... It's ridiculous for a veteran that you know (because of his full career performance) is a good 3 point menace.

    Porzingis started off the year 16-56 (28.5%). I would not have dropped him, because I'd have anticipated him going back up again (which he did).
    Porzingis' rating is right where it should be at 81 (how do we know that? Because Math).
    He's shooting 35% this year, shot 35% last year, and is 36% for his career. By formula, he's an 81. How you propose programing shooting percentages in a video game without math is I guess what you're going to need to explain
    jk31
    Without stating anything about if the badges are deserved, but here is the list of players who has gold clutch shooter right now:
    JimmyButler
    StephenCurry
    LukaDoncic
    KevinDurant
    JamesHarden
    KyrieIrving
    LeBronJames
    NikolaJokic
    KawhiLeonard
    DamianLillard
    C.J.McCollum
    D'AngeloRussell
    KlayThompson
    KembaWalker
    TraeYoung

    The disrespect! Lol. Beyond maybe D'Angelo Russell all these guys are fine.
    Guard-ian
    And there it is the mistake... you can not use just stats to determine the level of competency in something as abstract and rich as a game like basketball... The only real important number at the end of the day is the final score and the W/L balance. A player with 10-5-5 could have been better an played better than another one with 20-10-10 (Westbrick anyone? LOL...)
    Even as symple as a 3 point rating could be... you cannot just look to 3pts % numbers, because the number of situations for shooting a 3 and the range of difficulty of those shots is immense... you cannot compare the shots of Luka Doncic with the shots of Lou Dort.
    And regarding editing 500 players... Football Manager has a database of many more players, created by a group of experts who actually watch and understand the sport and who don't base their ratings mainly on numbers...
    That's what I ask for... a group of experts who actually watch NBA basketball putting those ratings and badges based on their feeling and knowledge of the game. I can trust the subjectivity of that model much more than the objectivty of stats... The ball don't lie... stats do it.
    (If you have to put an overal rating to players...) How can Reggie Bullock still be a 71? Even Julius Randle only an 86 with the kind of season he is playing? It is unacceptable in my book.
    And one last thing I don't like of these ratings updates... specially for NBA veterans, ratings should not fluctuate that much, you should trust the background of a player much more than the last 2 or 3 games... Porzingis cannot go from 83 3pts to 75 only to go back to 81 in 3pts two weeks later... It's ridiculous for a veteran that you know (because of his full career performance) is a good 3 point menace.

    That's your problem...you're putting too much emphasis on the stupid overall number which can be increased/decreased artificially with a rating that's not based on ANY statistical data. Point blank...everything can be measured in basketball when it comes to production and performance. This is a videogame...you can't "program" the game to say "MJ is a fierce competitor. Make him play like that.".
    Your second problem is that you're putting too much stock in "perceived reputation". King Gro23 said it best...you're a prisoner of the past. As of THIS season Lavine is just the better player. Period.
    ksuttonjr76
    That's your problem...you're putting too much emphasis on the stupid overall number which can be increased/decreased artificially with a rating that's not based on ANY statistical data. Point blank...everything can be measured in basketball when it comes to production and performance. This is a videogame...you can't "program" the game to say "MJ is a fierce competitor. Make him play like that.".
    Your second problem is that you're putting too much stock in "perceived reputation". King Gro23 said it best...you're a prisoner of the past. As of THIS season Lavine is just the better player. Period.

    No, period no... That's just your opinion, period.
    You can trust and base your view on what you want and I will trust and fund my opinion in what I want that is my clinical eye for basketball and not numbers that will never tell me the real story...I respect those who love looking at boxscores and dissecting advanced stats... but that's not my game and in the game I love Lavine is not a better overall player than Booker or Mitchell... who knows in the future, we will see.
    I know that we are in the stats and maths analytics era, and I know that teams use a lot of these tools but there are still too many important things that you cannot add to the ecuation... Why scout players when you just can study their numbers?
    Guard-ian
    No, period no... That's just your opinion, period.
    You can trust and base your view on what you want and I will trust and fund my opinion in what I want that is my clinical eye for basketball and not numbers that will never tell me the real story...I respect those who love looking at boxscores and dissecting advanced stats... but that's not my game and in the game I love Lavine is not a better overall player than Booker or Mitchell... who knows in the future, we will see.
    I know that we are in the stats and maths analytics era, and I know that teams use a lot of these tools but there are still too many important things that you cannot add to the ecuation... Why scout players when you just can study their numbers?

    I mean the problem is, you want the game to replicate the real players. So you want the ratings to result in sth similar to what the players does in real life.
    As to your examples: Sth like 3pt ratings fluctuates as much as the ovr season average of a players does. If he was good enough to increase his 3pt percentage from one correlating 72 3pt to one with 80+ then he just shot the ball very well in that timeframe.
    As to Doncic and Dort: You CAN actually look at the numbers. There was a time when we had moving and contested shot ratings. Thats especially where the difference was. Maybe both hit the same percentage. But as Doncics Shots were much harder, his moving and contested ratings were higher. Nowadays we sadly only have badges to replicate that, but also here he should have lots of badges where Dort has few.
    On another note: Not wanting to be rude in regards to Mike Stauffer or whoever is (also) responsible for rosters nowadays. And I also don't know their employement situation and responsibilities at 2k. But just considering that a normal working job is 8h/day, resulting in 40h/week. Time between roster updates is 2 weeks, so if his only responsibility is to make the roster updates, then he can spend 80h for each update. You cannot tell me that all you can achieve in 80h is to update 3pt ratings (which likely is done automatically according to a formula) and a change of intangibles ratings to have an artificial change in the "player rankings".
    I mean there is so much stuff, that could just get automated. Lots of ratings which are covered into detail by (advanced) stats. And especially the tendencies. There is player tracking that exactly covers this topic. How can this be so bad like it is when there is someone working full time on it?
    I mean that some stats are hard to track, like all those physical attributes and stuff.Yeah, I get that. But as an example Defensive Rebounds?
    Pascal Siakam is #30 in the league with 5.6 Rebounds per game. Yet in the game, he is only ranked #199 with a DReb of 64. And this is only his position amongst PF and C players!
    Why every 2 weeks when a new roster update drops Rashidi likes to prove how much superior he is to everyone else on these forums... It’s so embarrassing and sad, everyone is entitled to their own opinion 🤦*♂️
    Guard-ian
    No, period no... That's just your opinion, period.
    You can trust and base your view on what you want and I will trust and fund my opinion in what I want that is my clinical eye for basketball and not numbers that will never tell me the real story...I respect those who love looking at boxscores and dissecting advanced stats... but that's not my game and in the game I love Lavine is not a better overall player than Booker or Mitchell... who knows in the future, we will see.
    I know that we are in the stats and maths analytics era, and I know that teams use a lot of these tools but there are still too many important things that you cannot add to the ecuation... Why scout players when you just can study their numbers?
    Dude! You're literally arguing and trying to convince people that Player A, who has the better base stats across the board, is still a worse player than Player B.
    Greg521988
    Why every 2 weeks when a new roster update drops Rashidi likes to prove how much superior he is to everyone else on these forums... It’s so embarrassing and sad, everyone is entitled to their own opinion 🤦*♂️

    He's good at what he does. To my knowledge, he's been doing it since at least NBA 2K11 and used to be on the old NBA 2K Forums when they had that NBA2KInsider "feature".
    If you think you can do better without resulting on the "eye test" and "fan bias", then you knock yourself out.
    Real2KInsider
    Their production suggests otherwise. Both are having subpar seasons and neither is likely to make the All-Star team this year (I wouldn't call them elite anymore than I would LaVine).

    Lavine is having a better shooting year than both, but you'd be delusional to think that Mitchell and Booker aren't making the All-Star Game this year. Even with Gobert making it, Mitchell should be a near lock as the first option on the best team in the league
    Booker should make it, it's not like his stats are terrible, and he's the best player IMO on that Suns team. CP3 might be the most important, but Booker is their guy
    ksuttonjr76
    This also must be the same crowd that doesn't believe in science...

    Of course, and the earth is flat!!! LOL... ;-)
    I am a computer engineer so I know one or two things about science and statistics, believe it or not I know what I am talking about when I say that stats never tell you the whole story...
    Guard-ian
    Of course, and the earth is flat!!! LOL... ;-)
    I am a computer engineer so I know one or two things about science and statistics, believe it or not I know what I am talking about when I say that stats never tell you the whole story...

    I agree that stats don't tell the whole story, but right now the stats are creating a different story contrary to popular belief. To me, it's a videogame. If we're actually scouting for a real basketball team, then I would agree with you that you have to look beyond the stats. In NBA 2K, most ratings and tendencies can backed up by stats...particularly advanced stats.
    Find_the_Door
    The disrespect Lillard gets is insane - putting up multiple MVP performances and elevating all around him with his #2 & #3 man out. Should at bare minimum get HOF Clutch Shooter.
    I would agree.... before this update, in myleague, I've seen on myleague social he's set records for most 3s in a game (team) and having just played POR last game, the last thing he needed to worry about was clutch an anything
    That said, it's not like he takes that skill and chokes in clutch either.
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    jk31
    who cares about ovr? iccrease intangibles if you want the player to have a high ovr :D
    One thing too, the base ratings will change during gameplay, improving full letter grades or sliding based on tons of factors.
    And if anyone plays league, even offline, you'll see team chemistry sink players (I've seen -4 at times) and prop the whole team up.
    Truthfully splitting hairs over +1 between players would be invisible in the game.
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    jk31
    On another note: Not wanting to be rude in regards to Mike Stauffer or whoever is (also) responsible for rosters nowadays. And I also don't know their employement situation and responsibilities at 2k. But just considering that a normal working job is 8h/day, resulting in 40h/week. Time between roster updates is 2 weeks, so if his only responsibility is to make the roster updates, then he can spend 80h for each update. You cannot tell me that all you can achieve in 80h is to update 3pt ratings (which likely is done automatically according to a formula) and a change of intangibles ratings to have an artificial change in the "player rankings".

    It's not their only responsibility. I have always assumed the MyTeam stuff takes precedence bc that's where the money is. I can't speak to how the gameplay directors wish to allocate their time but I'm also sure a good chunk of time is spent on design.
    This is also why I don't call out specific developers. It's a team effort, and they don't get to decide what's a priority and what's not. If I'm at a bar and and the bartender tells me they're out of Stella and they don't know when it's being ordered, I'm not going to call them out and tell them how lazy they are and that it's all their fault. The bartender of course wants Stella to be in stock (it makes their job easier), but they don't get to make those decisions.
    Does this mean I go to another bar that has Stella? Or do I just get a Bud instead? Do I go to the ****-hole down the block that has a wack atmosphere / boring bartenders / annoying patrons? Everyone has a different answer to this question.
    (LOL My solution was simply **** you I can start my own bar and run things better!)
    Pascal Siakam is #30 in the league with 5.6 Rebounds per game. Yet in the game, he is only ranked #199 with a DReb of 64. And this is only his position amongst PF and C players!

    Per game isn't factoring minutes or pace. 6 RPG has a different context when a player does it in 36 minutes (Siakam) or 20 minutes (DeMarcus Cousins). Siakam's DRB rate is actually slightly under Tyler Herro's.
    Rebound ratings are the one thing this game has down to a T (usually +/- 1 due to rounding - and the occasional star player they inflate to get OVR higher).
    Siakam's current season production:
    6.3 ORB% = 56 (actual rating: 55)
    17.7 DRB% = 69 (actual rating: 64)
    Unclear why Siakam is 5 points low here (could be a typo, could be OVR management), but overall he's only an average rebounder at his position (he's 4th on his team in ORB & DRB rate).
    uk389117
    I would assume 2k released that great wall of text. Not having at least a team name makes it tough to decipher, I may work on that in some way.

    Yeah, they do the absolute bare minimum w/ these rating dumps. It's a lost opportunity for sure. They should be getting us hype about the league every two weeks. Only in 2K does a Game update(!!!!) come across as a chore.
    This is why I at least go through and assess the update at least analytically. I'll never be accused of being the biggest hype man, but they are leaving $$$ on the table by not keeping their player base engaged w/ the product.
    By not discussing specifics, it does give off the impression 2K would prefer to keep their playerbase uninformed. The more knowledge we have, the harder we make their jobs by noticing changes they didn't make.
    Interacting w/ this community is a job unto itself - everyone has their own subjective opinions on players/teams and nobody in the history of opinions has ever thought they had the wrong one.
    Those are awesome stats MoneyOvaHuds, again it’s not always about what Mr Adolf 2K insider thinks is good, everyone is entitled to share their opinion as long as it’s not hurting anyone else... Some people on here “Rashidi” like to take everything personally and has to prove everyone wrong ��
    Greg521988
    Those are awesome stats MoneyOvaHuds, again it’s not always about what Mr Adolf 2K insider thinks is good, everyone is entitled to share their opinion as long as it’s not hurting anyone else... Some people on here “Rashidi” like to take everything personally and has to prove everyone wrong ��

    (This is what personal looks like, for anyone that can't distinguish the difference.)
    Best of luck in your future endeavors.
    That’s not even me from that picture you’ve posted on from what looks like a Sony 😂😂 At least get your facts correct if your going to clap back at me boy 😘
    Greg521988
    Those are awesome stats MoneyOvaHuds, again it’s not always about what Mr Adolf 2K insider thinks is good, everyone is entitled to share their opinion as long as it’s not hurting anyone else... Some people on here “Rashidi” like to take everything personally and has to prove everyone wrong ������
    Huh? If anything, it substantiates why Lavine has that one measly extra point in overall over Mitchell and Booker that some people are arguing about.
    Greg521988
    That’s not even me from that picture you’ve posted on from what looks like a Sony 😂😂 At least get your facts correct if your going to clap back at me boy 😘

    Oh, okay. This you?
    Real2KInsider
    What makes yours worth more than any other?

    Nothing... where did I say or imply that my opinion worth more than any other? It's mainly you the one who try to educate all of us with your stats oriented approach, which I respect but don't agree on...
    LaVine had his 4th consecutive 30 point game, and 7th in the last 8 games.
    He has scored 30+ points in 15/29 games this season.

    Devin Booker of course, has cracked 30 points only 5 times in 25 games this season (he did it 28 times in 70 games last season).
    Hopefully one day LaVine can be just as good!
    i have tried to edit basketball rosters too
    and its takes as long as a nfl roster
    the last time i did it was 2k16 on the ps3
    2k has to overrate some because most blow up their twitter if they are too low which sadly is below 90
    when the ratings should go like this
    90 + Elite
    85-89 Almost Elite
    75-84 high level in the top 10-20%
    70-75 role players and draek fisher types
    65-70 bench guys
    below 65 g-level types
    jerwoods
    90 + Elite
    85-89 Almost Elite
    75-84 high level in the top 10-20%
    70-75 role players and draek fisher types
    65-70 bench guys
    below 65 g-level types

    Just to flesh this out a bit:
    95-99: All-Time Greats
    90-94: Superstars
    85-89: All-Stars
    80-84: Above average Starters / Sixth Men
    75-79: Role Players (Low-end starters / Rotation players)
    70-74: Non-Rotation Players (Most 2nd rounders, Two-Ways)
    65-69: Developmental / G-League
    2K's biggest weakness in philosophy is they don't have many players in the 81-84 range. They keep a wide gap between "stars" and everyone else. This leads to them having players like Christian Wood rated similar to Cody Zeller at times where it's painfully obvious this shouldn't be the case.
    Real2KInsider
    Just to flesh this out a bit:
    95-99: All-Time Greats
    90-94: Superstars
    85-89: All-Stars
    80-84: Above average Starters / Sixth Men
    75-79: Role Players (Low-end starters / Rotation players)
    70-74: Non-Rotation Players (Most 2nd rounders, Two-Ways)
    65-69: Developmental / G-League
    2K's biggest weakness in philosophy is they don't have many players in the 81-84 range. They keep a wide gap between "stars" and everyone else. This leads to them having players like Christian Wood rated similar to Cody Zeller at times where it's painfully obvious this shouldn't be the case.

    They should expand their scale a little bit more (again...) to have better differentiation. Then stuff like your mentioned Christian Wood and Cody Zeller should not happen. It was a little bit more like that a few years ago. I remember back in 2k11/2k12 most bench players were rated below 70 and the worse starters were below 75. I was once so proud in our online league that I managed to assemble a team where every rotation player was at least a 70! A guy like Lance Stephenson was a 59 a long time, even when he was already starting for Indy.
    On the other hand, OVR itself does and should not matter too much. Especially as long as 2k just manipulates their OVR ratings with their intangibles formula.
    Real2KInsider

    Devin Booker of course, has cracked 30 points only 5 times in 25 games this season (he did it 28 times in 70 games last season).
    Hopefully one day LaVine can be just as good!

    In my view, he doesn't need to be as productive as he plays now in a great team as the Suns this year, he did it in the bubble when his team needed him though and he does it now when he wants to do it (that's my feeling at least), like yesterday for instance...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITaaZJ6bL-U
    Booker didn't play the last quarter as the game was already a blow out...
    However, I don't want to make this a war Booker-Lavine neither to be detrimental to Zach, who is having a great season worth of an allstar in my opinion.
    My point again is that there are several players which, in my view (and stats aside) deserve better ratings in NBA 2k because of their career and overall level of play, not only considering this particular and still short season...
    Cheers! ;-)
    jk31
    They should expand their scale a little bit more (again...) to have better differentiation.

    Ratings should be like a pyramid. Hundreds at the bottom and only a handful at the top. I think I posted last year that I tracked the ratings for all players and there were more high 80s than there were low 80s players.
    Lets see where PGs are at
    96: Curry
    95:
    94: Lillard
    93: Doncic
    92: Irving
    91:
    90:
    89:
    88: Simmons, Young
    87: Paul
    86: Holiday, Fox, Westbrook
    85: Walker, Morant, Conley, Murray, Brogdon
    84:
    83: Ball, Dinwiddie, Lowry, Wall, Russell
    82: Murray
    81: Williams, Dragic, Rose
    80:

    79: White, Brunson, Morris
    78: Beverley, Graham, Fultz, McConnell, Ball, Mills, Hill
    77: Garland, Schroder, Wright
    76: Maxey, Pritchard, Dunn, Nunn, Payne, Simons, Neto
    75: Satoransky, Teague, Jones, Rondo, Caruso, Rubio
    74: Payton, Carter-Williams, Anthony, Lewis
    73: Augustin, Harrison, Ntilikina, Cook, Hayes, McLaughlin, Smith
    72: Johnson, Chiozza, Campazzo, Smith, Maledon, Wanamaker
    71: Arcidiacono, Joseph , Randle, Terry, Jackson, Flynn, Jerome
    70: Dellavedova, Goodwin, Jones
    69: Adams, Waters, Riller, Mannion, Winston
    68: Merrill, Dotson, Lecque, Lee
    67: Vincent, Forrest, Harper. Howard
    66: Mane
    Looks like it holds true for this year.
    85-89: 11 players
    80-84: 9 players
    Four players combined from 80-82.
    Graphing that:
    96: X
    95:
    94: X
    93: X
    92: X
    91:
    90:
    89:
    88: XX
    87: X
    86: XXX
    85: XXXXX
    84:
    83: XXXXX
    82: X
    81: XXX
    80:
    79: XXX
    78: XXXXXXX
    77: XXX
    76: XXXXXXX
    75: XXXXXX
    74: XXXX
    73: XXXXXXX
    72: XXXXXX
    71: XXXXXXX
    70: XXX
    69: XXXXX
    68: XXXX
    67: XXXX
    66: X
    89-91: 0
    86-88: 6
    83-85: 10
    80-82: 4
    Curious what my own PG ratings look like
    96:
    95: XXX
    94:
    93:
    92: X
    91: X
    90: X
    89:
    88: X
    87: XX
    86: XXXX
    85: XX
    84: XXX
    83: XXX
    82:
    81: XXXX
    80: XXXX
    79: XXXXX
    78: XXXXXXXX
    77: XXXXXXXX
    76: XXXXX
    75: XXXXX
    74: XXXX
    73: XXXXXX
    72: XXXXXX
    71: XXX
    70: XXXX
    69: XXXXXX
    68: XX
    67: X
    66: X
    I'll leave it up to you guys which of these is more aesthetically pleasing.
    My Roster
    89-91: 2
    86-88: 7
    83-85: 8
    80-82: 8
    2K Sports
    89-91: 0
    86-88: 6
    83-85: 10
    80-82: 4
    Royce O Neal plays more min then any other Jazz player because of his Defense. always covers other teams best player. Should have defense badges and higher rating
    kirbykia
    Royce O Neal plays more min then any other Jazz player because of his Defense. always covers other teams best player. Should have defense badges and higher rating

    Which badges and what rating?
    One thing about ratings, stats are used and badges are mainly subjective.
    Playing a lot of minutes and guarding the best player doesn't mean a player's rating should increase.
    keshunleon
    Which badges and what rating?
    One thing about ratings, stats are used and badges are mainly subjective.
    Playing a lot of minutes and guarding the best player doesn't mean a player's rating should increase.

    O'Neale is absolutely low at a 75. The Jazz are the #1 team in the NBA, and Royce plays the 2nd most minutes for them. That indicates he is a major part of their success.
    My Rating/Badge changes from what 2K has (breaking down in-depthly as best I can in Forum format). To start: a highlight clip of O'Neale if we are unfamiliar w/ his play.

    He has a craftiness about him reminiscent of Draymond Green, and is capable of handling a larger playmaking role than what his team requires. Probably similar to Shane Battier in this regard. He showed flashes in this game, but is largely just a 3 & D player.
    Royce O'Neale
    79 OVERALL (+4)
    H/W/A/R: 6'4" / 226 / Age 27 / Starting PF
    Archetype: Stretch Four
    OFFENSE
    70 Layup (-6) / 20-40 FG (50%), 55% Ast'd
    55 Fade (+3)
    55 Hook (+1)
    60 Post (+1)
    35 D.Foul (-24) / .126 FTR
    70 Close (-11) / 5-18 FG (28%) - 35% last 2 years combined)
    63 Mid (-4) / 0-3 FG - 31% Career
    87 3pt (NC) / 60-145 (41%), 100% Ast'd
    82 FT (+8) / 22-26 (85%) - has never shot lower than 76%, why is he 74?
    65 Handle (-3)
    53 Vision (+14) / 10 AST% (2K intentionally suppresses players at bottom of their scale)
    55 PIQ (-8)
    65 Acc (+5)
    45 ORB (-1) / 4 ORB%
    50 S.Dunk (-5)
    75 D.Dunk (+5) / 9 dunks, 5.3% of FGA
    55 SIQ (-20) / By the OG formula for Offensive Awareness (Current 2K editor has their own philosophy)
    75 Hands
    For the most part I actually decreased O'Neale's offensive ratings. As with players of his ilk (P.J. Tucker, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, etc), he isn't much more than a corner 3pt shooter.
    DEFENSE
    69 DRB (-2) / 17 DRB%
    75 Interior (+7) - 56th Percentile in 2020 / They have him graded more as a SF
    80 Perimeter (-3) - 60th Percentile in 2020
    48 Block (-2) / 1.4 BLK%
    62 Steal (+22) / 1.2 STL% (OG scale - 2K dropped it by 20 a couple years ago when ppl were complaining about in-game steal rates)
    80 Contest (+14) - A rating updated so frequently they can't even put it on the main roster screen.
    Philosophy stuff aside, minor tweaks to his defense.
    ATHLETICISM
    85 Quickness (+1)
    70 Speed (+8)
    70 BallSpeed (+8)
    70 Acceleration (+8)

    65 Vertical (NC)
    70 Strength (+10) / he's 6'4" / 226 and plays PF
    90 Stamina (+10) - as mentioned, O'Neale is 2nd on team w/ 33 MPG
    90 Hustle (+10)
    95 Durability (+15) - Has missed 1 game in the last 3 years.
    His athleticism ratings are ATROCIOUS. These are attributes that 2K doesn't update on a yearly basis, as they don't tie to any in-game stat.
    MENTAL
    65 Perception (-3)
    99 D.Con (+19) - 3rd among 82 PFs in DRPM
    85 Help (+5) - 68th percentile in 2020
    70 O.Con (+5) - 36th among 82 PFs in ORPM
    85 P&R (+14) - 65th Percentile in 2020
    99 Intangibles (+34) - Why they haven't maxed this out to get him a higher OVR is anyone's guess. They don't even utilize their own technology.
    80 Potential (+4)
    These ratings largely fall into the same boat as Athleticism. 2K is only updating half of their attributes on a regular basis. O'Neale has been poorly rated in these areas since he became a starter 18 months ago.
    They don't/won't make time to re-evaluate this half for select players, which is a failing in their process. Let's check Badges.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2K's Royce O'Neale Badges (6)
    FINISHING (0)
    SHOOTING (0)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (S)
    DEFENSE (5): Clamps (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Off-Ball Pest (B), Pick Dodger (B), Trapper (B)
    P.J. Tucker has SEVENTEEN badges, so let's look at those for comparison before we move on.
    2K's Tucker Badges (17)
    FINISHING (1): Putback Boss (GOLD - you read this correctly)
    SHOOTING (2): Catch & Shoot (S), Corner Specialist (B)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (B)
    DEFENSE (13): Trapper (G), Brick Wall (S), Moving Truck (S), Tireless Defender (S), Clamps (B), Heart Crusher (B), Interceptor (B), Intimidator (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Off-Ball Pest (B), Pick Dodger (B), Pogo Stick (B), Post Move Lockdown (B)
    ^The most comical of these is the Pogo Stick they slipped in, but I digress. Not only does Tucker have more badges, but he also has higher quality. O'Neale's Bronze's are mostly just tacked on.
    Perhaps the most obvious badges for O'Neale would be his basic shooting badges (Catch, Corner), given that he's shooting 41% from three and it's literally the only thing he does offensively.
    It should be noted the Jazz ranked 13th Defensively last season, one spot ahead of Tucker's Rockets. This year they are 3rd Defensively, and as mentioned a few times, O'Neale has played the most minutes on the team / 2nd in MPG. They have substantially improved on that end. While I'm not suggesting he's their most valuable defensive player, he's obviously a big part of their scheme and they'd lose a lot if he had to miss extended time.
    Real 2K's O'Neale Badges (15)
    FINISHING (0)
    SHOOTING (3): Catch & Shoot (S), Corner Specialist (S), Pick & Popper (B), Pump Fake Maestro (B)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (S)
    DEFENSE (10): Off-Ball Pest (S) Pick Dodger (S), Tireless Defender (S), Trapper (S), Brick Wall (B), Clamps (B), Defensive Leader (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Post Move Lockdown (B), Rebound Chaser (B)
    1 point of OVR gets added from my Badge adjustments.
    Finally, while badges are somewhat subjective, a good chunk of them actually have data sources that 2K uses - they just don't update anywhere near frequently enough. Unfortunately (as is the case w/ Tucker's Putback Boss), they aren't particularly effective at parsing this data.
    Why does Tucker have Gold Putback Boss?
    Tucker Putback Synergy
    2021: N/A (< 10 possessions)
    2020: 1.00 PPP (33rd Percentile)
    2019: 0.67 PPP (4th Percentile)
    2018: 1.21 PPP (70th Percentile) - THIS IS WHEN THEY GAVE HIM THE BADGE
    2017: 0.93 PPP (33rd Percentile)
    2016: 1.13 PPP (66th Percentile)
    They made a decision based on single-season data and didn't account for volume or sample (a paltry 34 possessions in 2018). This isn't calculus - this is common sense.
    Unfortunately, 2K makes tons of errors in judgement because they don't give themselves enough time/information to make the correct decisions. They haven't had or made time to update this in 3 years. They largely rely on die-hard fans to bring this information to their attention, free of charge, rather than expend any time/money/effort validating their work.
    (It's my Birthday, enjoy the gift) :)
    kirbykia
    Royce O Neal plays more min then any other Jazz player because of his Defense. always covers other teams best player. Should have defense badges and higher rating

    He currently has 83 perimeter D, 84 lateral quickness, 80 defensive consistency and 80 help D IQ. Additionally he features several bronze defensive badges like clamps. One could argue that he might deserver a higher badge level, but the ratings itself ware actually quite good. There are not that many players in the game with 80+ on all of these ratings and his badges. Actually, there are only 32 (current) players in the game right now, that meet these criteria out of over 600 players.
    GiannisAntetokounmpo
    OGAnunoby
    LonzoBall
    PatrickBeverley
    EricBledsoe
    JaylenBrown
    JimmyButler
    RobertCovington
    DonteDiVincenzo
    LuguentzDort
    KrisDunn
    PaulGeorge
    DannyGreen
    GaryHarris
    JrueHoliday
    AndreIguodala
    JonathanIsaac
    LeBronJames
    KawhiLeonard
    KyleLowry
    KhrisMiddleton
    DejounteMurray
    RoyceO'Neale
    VictorOladipo
    ChrisPaul
    JoshRichardson
    BenSimmons
    MarcusSmart
    JaysonTatum
    KlayThompson
    MatisseThybulle
    RussellWestbrook

    GiannisAntetokounmpo
    OGAnunoby
    LonzoBall
    PatrickBeverley
    EricBledsoe
    JaylenBrown
    JimmyButler
    RobertCovington
    DonteDiVincenzo
    LuguentzDort
    KrisDunn
    PaulGeorge
    DannyGreen
    GaryHarris
    JrueHoliday
    AndreIguodala
    JonathanIsaac
    LeBronJames
    KawhiLeonard
    KyleLowry
    KhrisMiddleton
    DejounteMurray
    RoyceO'Neale
    VictorOladipo
    ChrisPaul
    JoshRichardson
    BenSimmons
    MarcusSmart
    JaysonTatum
    KlayThompson
    MatisseThybulle
    RussellWestbrook































































    Real2KInsider
    O'Neale is absolutely low at a 75. The Jazz are the #1 team in the NBA, and Royce plays the 2nd most minutes for them. That indicates he is a major part of their success.
    My Rating/Badge changes from what 2K has (breaking down in-depthly as best I can in Forum format). To start: a highlight clip of O'Neale if we are unfamiliar w/ his play.

    He has a craftiness about him reminiscent of Draymond Green, and is capable of handling a larger playmaking role than what his team requires. Probably similar to Shane Battier in this regard. He showed flashes in this game, but is largely just a 3 & D player.
    Royce O'Neale
    79 OVERALL (+4)
    H/W/A/R: 6'4" / 226 / Age 27 / Starting PF
    Archetype: Stretch Four
    OFFENSE
    70 Layup (-6) / 20-40 FG (50%), 55% Ast'd
    55 Fade (+3)
    55 Hook (+1)
    60 Post (+1)
    35 D.Foul (-24) / .126 FTR
    70 Close (-11) / 5-18 FG (28%) - 35% last 2 years combined)
    63 Mid (-4) / 0-3 FG - 31% Career
    87 3pt (NC) / 60-145 (41%), 100% Ast'd
    82 FT (+8) / 22-26 (85%) - has never shot lower than 76%, why is he 74?
    65 Handle (-3)
    53 Vision (+14) / 10 AST% (2K intentionally suppresses players at bottom of their scale)
    55 PIQ (-8)
    65 Acc (+5)
    45 ORB (-1) / 4 ORB%
    50 S.Dunk (-5)
    75 D.Dunk (+5) / 9 dunks, 5.3% of FGA
    55 SIQ (-20) / By the OG formula for Offensive Awareness (Current 2K editor has their own philosophy)
    75 Hands
    For the most part I actually decreased O'Neale's offensive ratings. As with players of his ilk (P.J. Tucker, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, etc), he isn't much more than a corner 3pt shooter.
    DEFENSE
    69 DRB (-2) / 17 DRB%
    75 Interior (+7) - 56th Percentile in 2020 / They have him graded more as a SF
    80 Perimeter (-3) - 60th Percentile in 2020
    48 Block (-2) / 1.4 BLK%
    62 Steal (+22) / 1.2 STL% (OG scale - 2K dropped it by 20 a couple years ago when ppl were complaining about in-game steal rates)
    80 Contest (+14) - A rating updated so frequently they can't even put it on the main roster screen.
    Philosophy stuff aside, minor tweaks to his defense.
    ATHLETICISM
    85 Quickness (+1)
    70 Speed (+8)
    70 BallSpeed (+8)
    70 Acceleration (+8)

    65 Vertical (NC)
    70 Strength (+10) / he's 6'4" / 226 and plays PF
    90 Stamina (+10) - as mentioned, O'Neale is 2nd on team w/ 33 MPG
    90 Hustle (+10)
    95 Durability (+15) - Has missed 1 game in the last 3 years.
    His athleticism ratings are ATROCIOUS. These are attributes that 2K doesn't update on a yearly basis, as they don't tie to any in-game stat.
    MENTAL
    65 Perception (-3)
    99 D.Con (+19) - 3rd among 82 PFs in DRPM
    85 Help (+5) - 68th percentile in 2020
    70 O.Con (+5) - 36th among 82 PFs in ORPM
    85 P&R (+14) - 65th Percentile in 2020
    99 Intangibles (+34) - Why they haven't maxed this out to get him a higher OVR is anyone's guess. They don't even utilize their own technology.
    80 Potential (+4)
    These ratings largely fall into the same boat as Athleticism. 2K is only updating half of their attributes on a regular basis. O'Neale has been poorly rated in these areas since he became a starter 18 months ago.
    They don't/won't make time to re-evaluate this half for select players, which is a failing in their process. Let's check Badges.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2K's Royce O'Neale Badges (6)
    FINISHING (0)
    SHOOTING (0)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (S)
    DEFENSE (5): Clamps (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Off-Ball Pest (B), Pick Dodger (B), Trapper (B)
    P.J. Tucker has SEVENTEEN badges, so let's look at those for comparison before we move on.
    2K's Tucker Badges (17)
    FINISHING (1): Putback Boss (GOLD - you read this correctly)
    SHOOTING (2): Catch & Shoot (S), Corner Specialist (B)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (B)
    DEFENSE (13): Trapper (G), Brick Wall (S), Moving Truck (S), Tireless Defender (S), Clamps (B), Heart Crusher (B), Interceptor (B), Intimidator (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Off-Ball Pest (B), Pick Dodger (B), Pogo Stick (B), Post Move Lockdown (B)
    ^The most comical of these is the Pogo Stick they slipped in, but I digress. Not only does Tucker have more badges, but he also has higher quality. O'Neale's Bronze's are mostly just tacked on.
    Perhaps the most obvious badges for O'Neale would be his basic shooting badges (Catch, Corner), given that he's shooting 41% from three and it's literally the only thing he does offensively.
    It should be noted the Jazz ranked 13th Defensively last season, one spot ahead of Tucker's Rockets. This year they are 3rd Defensively, and as mentioned a few times, O'Neale has played the most minutes on the team / 2nd in MPG. They have substantially improved on that end. While I'm not suggesting he's their most valuable defensive player, he's obviously a big part of their scheme and they'd lose a lot if he had to miss extended time.
    Real 2K's O'Neale Badges (15)
    FINISHING (0)
    SHOOTING (3): Catch & Shoot (S), Corner Specialist (S), Pick & Popper (B), Pump Fake Maestro (B)
    PLAYMAKING (1): Pass Fake Maestro (S)
    DEFENSE (10): Off-Ball Pest (S) Pick Dodger (S), Tireless Defender (S), Trapper (S), Brick Wall (B), Clamps (B), Defensive Leader (B), Lightning Reflexes (B), Post Move Lockdown (B), Rebound Chaser (B)
    1 point of OVR gets added from my Badge adjustments.
    Finally, while badges are somewhat subjective, a good chunk of them actually have data sources that 2K uses - they just don't update anywhere near frequently enough. Unfortunately (as is the case w/ Tucker's Putback Boss), they aren't particularly effective at parsing this data.
    Why does Tucker have Gold Putback Boss?
    Tucker Putback Synergy
    2021: N/A (> 10 possessions)
    2020: 1.00 PPP (33rd Percentile)
    2019: 0.67 PPP (4th Percentile)
    2018: 1.21 PPP (70th Percentile) - THIS IS WHEN THEY GAVE HIM THE BADGE
    2017: 0.93 PPP (33rd Percentile)
    2016: 1.13 PPP (66th Percentile)
    They made a decision based on single-season data and didn't account for volume or sample (a paltry 34 possessions in 2018). This isn't calculus - this is common sense.
    Unfortunately, 2K makes tons of errors in judgement because they don't give themselves enough time/information to make the correct decisions. They haven't had time to update this in 3 years. They largely rely on die-hard fans to bring this information to their attention, free of charge, rather than expend any time/money/effort validating their work.
    (It's my Birthday, enjoy the gift) :)
    Prime example why I think 2K needs a new roster editor...

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