NBA 2K21
NBA 2K21 Roster Update Available Today - Full Details Here (1-21)
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2K has released a new NBA 2K21 roster update today. Some of the biggest movers include the following players:
GOING UP:
- Bradley Beal: 91 OVR (+3)
- Jerami Grant: 84 OVR (+4)
- Chris Boucher: 83 OVR (+5)
- Mikal Bridges: 83 OVR (+4)
- LaMelo Ball: 81 OVR (+3)
- Tyrese Haliburton: 80 OVR (+3)
- Doug McDermott: 78 OVR (+3)
- Devin Vassell: 77 OVR (+3)
- Hamidou Diallo: 77 OVR (+6)
- Tyrese Maxey: 76 OVR (+4)
- Payton Pritchard: 76 OVR (+3)
- Xavier Tillman: 76 OVR (+6)
- Immanuel Quickley: 76 OVR (+4)
- JaMychal Green: 76 OVR (+4)
- Nickeil Alexander-Walker: 76 OVR (+5)
- Sterling Brown: 76 OVR (+3)
- Lonnie Walker IV: 76 OVR (+3)
- John Konchar: 75 OVR (+3)
- Talen Horton-Tucker: 75 OVR (+3)
- Wayne Ellington: 75 OVR (+3)
- Isaiah Roby: 75 OVR (+5)
- Jarred Vanderbilt: 75 OVR (+5)
- Stanley Johnson: 74 OVR (+3)
- Jae’Sean Tate: 74 OVR (+5)
- Reggie Perry: 72 OVR (+3)
- Mason Jones: 71 OVR (+4)
- Nathan Knight: 70 OVR (+3)
GOING DOWN:
- Blake Griffin: 80 OVR (-3)
- Bojan Bogdanović: 76 OVR (-3)
- Gary Clark: 72 OVR (-3)
- Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot: 72 OVR (-3)
Check out all of the changes below and let us know what you think. If you’re looking for player rating updates for each team, Real2KInsider has you covered here. We also added his video discussing the roster update.
- LeBron James: 97 OVR (-1)
- Giannis Antetokounmpo: 96 OVR (-1)
- James Harden: 95 OVR (-1)
- Anthony Davis: 94 OVR (-1)
- Nikola Jokić: 94 OVR (+1)
- Joel Embiid: 93 OVR (+1)
- Bradley Beal: 91 OVR (+3)
- Paul George: 90 OVR (+1)
- Bam Adebayo: 89 OVR (+1)
- Khris Middleton: 88 OVR (+1)
- Nikola Vucevic: 88 OVR (+1)
- C.J. McCollum: 88 OVR (+1)
- Zach LaVine: 87 OVR (+2)
- Trae Young: 87 OVR (-2)
- Zion Williamson: 87 OVR (+1)
- Ben Simmons: 86 OVR (-1)
- Ja Morant: 86 OVR (+1)
- Brandon Ingram: 86 OVR (-1)
- Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 86 OVR (+2)
- Russell Westbrook: 86 OVR (-1)
- Julius Randle: 85 OVR (+2)
- Chris Paul: 85 OVR (-2)
- Collin Sexton: 84 OVR (+1)
- John Collins: 84 OVR (-1)
- Clint Capela: 84 OVR (+2)
- Gordon Hayward: 84 OVR (+1)
- Mike Conley: 84 OVR (+2)
- Jerami Grant: 84 OVR (+4)
- Kyle Lowry: 84 OVR (-2)
- Fred VanVleet: 84 OVR (-1)
- Christian Wood: 84 OVR (+1)
- Lauri Markkanen: 83 OVR (+2)
- Pascal Siakam: 83 OVR (-1)
- Chris Boucher: 83 OVR (+5)
- Mikal Bridges: 83 OVR (+4)
- Deandre Ayton: 83 OVR (-1)
- Terry Rozier III: 82 OVR (+1)
- Montrezl Harrell: 82 OVR (+1)
- Otto Porter: 81 OVR (+1)
- LaMelo Ball: 81 OVR (+3)
- Jordan Clarkson: 81 OVR (+2)
- Richaun Holmes: 81 OVR (+2)
- Aaron Gordon: 81 OVR (+1)
- Myles Turner: 81 OVR (+1)
- LaMarcus Aldridge: 81 OVR (-2)
- Wendell Carter Jr.: 80 OVR (+2)
- Harrison Barnes: 80 OVR (+1)
- Hassan Whiteside: 80 OVR (-2)
- Tyrese Haliburton: 80 OVR (+3)
- Joe Harris: 80 OVR (+2)
- Blake Griffin: 80 OVR (-3)
- DeMarcus Cousins: 80 OVR (-1)
- Keldon Johnson: 80 OVR (+2)
- Cameron Johnson: 80 OVR (+3)
- Malik Beasley: 80 OVR (+1)
- Jusuf Nurkić: 80 OVR (-1)
- Andrew Wiggins: 80 OVR (-1)
- Eric Paschall: 80 OVR (+1)
- Donte DiVincenzo: 79 OVR (+1)
- Brook Lopez: 79 OVR (-2)
- Bobby Portis: 79 OVR (+2)
- Marcus Smart: 79 OVR (-1)
- Louis Williams: 79 OVR (-1)
- Brandon Clarke: 79 OVR (+2)
- De’Andre Hunter: 79 OVR (+2)
- P.J. Washington: 79 OVR (+2)
- Derrick Favors: 79 OVR (+1)
- Dennis Schröder: 79 OVR (-1)
- Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 79 OVR (+2)
- Terrence Ross: 79 OVR (-1)
- Jalen Brunson: 79 OVR (+1)
- Monte Morris: 79 OVR (+1)
- Eric Bledsoe: 79 OVR (-2)
- Mason Plumlee: 79 OVR (+1)
- Eric Gordon: 79 OVR (+2)
- Rudy Gay: 79 OVR (+1)
- Patrick Mills: 79 OVR (+1)
- Enes Kanter: 79 OVR (+1)
- Shake Milton: 78 OVR (+2)
- Thaddeus Young: 78 OVR (+2)
- Larry Nance Jr.: 78 OVR (-1)
- Kyle Anderson: 78 OVR (+1)
- Buddy Hield: 78 OVR (-2)
- DeAndre Jordan: 78 OVR (-1)
- Doug McDermott: 78 OVR (+3)
- Al Horford: 78 OVR (-1)
- Draymond Green: 78 OVR (-1)
- Pat Connaughton: 77 OVR (+2)
- Daniel Gafford: 77 OVR (+1)
- Daniel Theis: 77 OVR (-1)
- Tristan Thompson: 77 OVR (-1)
- Nicolas Batum: 77 OVR (+2)
- Kevin Huerter: 77 OVR (+2)
- Rajon Rondo: 77 OVR (-1)
- Devonte Graham: 77 OVR (-2)
- James Johnson: 77 OVR (+2)
- Maxi Kleber: 77 OVR (+1)
- Will Barton: 77 OVR (-1)
- Devin Vassell: 77 OVR (+3)
- Jae Crowder: 77 OVR (-1)
- Dario Šarić: 77 OVR (+1)
- Hamidou Diallo: 77 OVR (+6)
- Robert Covington: 77 OVR (-1)
- Gary Trent Jr.: 77 OVR (-1)
- Damion Lee: 77 OVR (+2)
- Davis Bertans: 77 OVR (-1)
- Tyrese Maxey: 76 OVR (+4)
- Payton Pritchard: 76 OVR (+3)
- Jeff Teague: 76 OVR (-1)
- Dillon Brooks: 76 OVR (-1)
- Gorgui Dieng: 76 OVR (+2)
- Xavier Tillman: 76 OVR (+6)
- Bogdan Bogdanović: 76 OVR (-2)
- Precious Achiuwa: 76 OVR (+2)
- Bojan Bogdanović: 76 OVR (-3)
- Nemanja Bjelica: 76 OVR (-1)
- Immanuel Quickley: 76 OVR (+4)
- Marc Gasol: 76 OVR (-1)
- Alex Caruso: 76 OVR (+1)
- Khem Birch: 76 OVR (+2)
- Trey Burke: 76 OVR (+1)
- JaMychal Green: 76 OVR (+4)
- T.J. McConnell: 76 OVR (+1)
- Nickeil Alexander-Walker: 76 OVR (+5)
- Sterling Brown: 76 OVR (+3)
- Lonnie Walker IV: 76 OVR (+3)
- Cameron Payne: 76 OVR (+1)
- Langston Galloway: 76 OVR (+1)
- Naz Reid: 76 OVR (+2)
- Ricky Rubio: 76 OVR (-2)
- Raul Neto: 76 OVR (+2)
- Deni Avdija: 76 OVR (-1)
- Luke Kennard: 75 OVR (-1)
- John Konchar: 75 OVR (+3)
- Kelly Olynyk: 75 OVR (-2)
- Miles Bridges: 75 OVR (-1)
- Royce O’Neale: 75 OVR (+1)
- Jabari Parker: 75 OVR (-2)
- Nerlens Noel: 75 OVR (-1)
- Kyle Kuzma: 75 OVR (-1)
- Talen Horton-Tucker: 75 OVR (+3)
- Jeff Green: 75 OVR (-1)
- P.J. Dozier: 75 OVR (+2)
- Isaiah Hartenstein: 75 OVR (+2)
- Josh Hart: 75 OVR (-1)
- JJ Redick: 75 OVR (-1)
- Delon Wright: 75 OVR (+1)
- Wayne Ellington: 75 OVR (+3)
- Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk: 75 OVR (+1)
- Aron Baynes: 75 OVR (-1)
- Alex Len: 75 OVR (-1)
- Isaiah Roby: 75 OVR (+5)
- Mike Muscala: 75 OVR (+2)
- Jarred Vanderbilt: 75 OVR (+5)
- Rodney Hood: 75 OVR (-1)
- Kelly Oubre Jr.: 75 OVR (-2)
- Kevon Looney: 75 OVR (+1)
- Robin Lopez: 75 OVR (+2)
- Cedi Osman: 74 OVR (-1)
- Taurean Prince: 74 OVR (+1)
- Grayson Allen: 74 OVR (+2)
- Kendrick Nunn: 74 OVR (-2)
- Andre Iguodala: 74 OVR (-2)
- Cody Martin: 74 OVR (+2)
- Caleb Martin: 74 OVR (+2)
- Malik Monk: 74 OVR (-1)
- Glenn Robinson III: 74 OVR (-1)
- Markieff Morris: 74 OVR (-1)
- Wesley Matthews: 74 OVR (-1)
- James Ennis: 74 OVR (-1)
- Nicolò Melli: 74 OVR (-1)
- Saddiq Bey: 74 OVR (+2)
- Isaiah Stewart: 74 OVR (+2)
- Stanley Johnson: 74 OVR (+3)
- Jae’Sean Tate: 74 OVR (+5)
- Trey Lyles: 74 OVR (-1)
- Darius Bazley: 74 OVR (-2)
- Ed Davis: 74 OVR (+2)
- Harry Giles III: 74 OVR (-1)
- Bryn Forbes: 73 OVR (-1)
- Desmond Bane: 73 OVR (+1)
- Gary Harris: 73 OVR (-1)
- Edmond Sumner: 73 OVR (+2)
- Aaron Holiday: 73 OVR (-1)
- Damian Jones: 73 OVR (-1)
- Kenrich Williams: 73 OVR (+2)
- Jarrett Culver: 73 OVR (-1)
- Jordan McLaughlin: 73 OVR (-1)
- Juan Hernangómez: 73 OVR (-1)
- Ish Smith: 73 OVR (-1)
- Troy Brown Jr.: 73 OVR (-2)
- D.J. Augustin: 72 OVR (-2)
- Semi Ojeleye: 72 OVR (+1)
- Patrick Patterson: 72 OVR (-2)
- Georges Niang: 72 OVR (-1)
- Gary Clark: 72 OVR (-3)
- Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot: 72 OVR (-3)
- Reggie Perry: 72 OVR (+3)
- Kira Lewis Jr.: 72 OVR (-1)
- Juan Toscano: 72 OVR (+2)
- Mike Scott: 71 OVR (-1)
- Ryan Arcidiacono: 71 OVR (+1)
- Cory Joseph: 71 OVR (-2)
- Reggie Bullock: 71 OVR (-1)
- Dwayne Bacon: 71 OVR (+1)
- Mason Jones: 71 OVR (+4)
- Jake Layman: 71 OVR (-1)
- Brad Wanamaker: 71 OVR (-2)
- Mychal Mulder: 71 OVR (+1)
- Isaiah Joe: 70 OVR (+1)
- Jordan Nwora: 70 OVR (+1)
- Solomon Hill: 70 OVR (-1)
- Brandon Goodwin: 70 OVR (-1)
- Nathan Knight: 70 OVR (+3)
- Miye Oni: 70 OVR (+2)
- Kyle Guy: 70 OVR (+1)
- Jordan Bone: 70 OVR (+1)
- Landry Shamet: 70 OVR (-2)
- Dean Wade: 69 OVR (-1)
- Lamar Stevens: 69 OVR (+1)
- Max Strus: 69 OVR (+1)
- Gabe Vincent: 69 OVR (+2)
- Sam Merrill: 68 OVR (+1)
The roster updates are every two weeks on Thursday. That schedule has nothing to do with gameplay patches or anything of the like.
Come on, Man. Did you not read the title of the thread?
You still use the Pacers online? With so many key injuries, I kinda stopped using them in PNO for now. I've been using the Classic Pacers squad once I got them unlocked.
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That is something I'm going to cover (and looks worse w/ the Wood drop). Like I said, don't read into the +/- 1's because that's just statistical noise.
Cousins' rebound rate went up, and that matters more to his OVR than however worse his shooting ratings got. His OVR rating won't drop until they sit down and tank his post game, badges, etc. With only 142 minutes played, there isn't a ton to go off of.
The bigger issue is 2K doesn't really seem to have a great understanding how OVR works in their own game. Regardless of Cousins' on-court effectiveness/efficiency, he is 12th in MPG on the Rockets. The Rotations AI automates the lineup based on OVRs when you start a MyLeague/Career. With this rating update, Cousins will START over Wood and be slotted for 31 MPG. Not Christian Wood, who is playing 33 MPG IRL.
I discussed this same issue with Hassan Whiteside last week, who was the 2nd highest rated player on the Kings (tied for 3rd this week), despite a similarly limited role (10th in MPG). He was rated higher than Richaun Holmes, the starter. Whiteside will also start upon automation, despite the lower rating, due to how System Proficiency works.
Even if we get the appropriate starters, both players still need heavy OVR reductions because they aren't the 6th men. Centers don't make sixth man, because it's an inflexible position - they never share the court with the starting Center IRL. The game doesn't factor positions when determining the bench rotation.
The Cavaliers just added Jarrett Allen to a team with Andre Drummond and JaVale McGee. McGee has been very effective, and is low-end starting caliber, yet he has no role now on this team. The AI is basically doomed to craft double-center lineups until the day someone gets traded, because the game doesn't understand that playing one of these dudes at PF would be a historically dumb idea. Given McGee's effective production, the only way you're realistically going to decrease his role is by raising the OVR of the other players on the team. Where players rank on their team is more important than where they rank league-wide.
2K does a lot of OVR manipulation with the Intangibles attribute, yet they only seem to have a level 1 understanding of it. They are manipulating OVRs solely to serve a meaningless tier list, rather than actually considering their in-game function, or any of the resulting repercussions. It's the product of living in an Excel sheet for too long.
TLDR: The only thing they're trying to do is look good on paper.
Sample sizes are mostly fine. 100 minutes is definitely enough to make +1/-1 changes. That's 5 games for most players.
Attributes and Badges aren't the same. It's one thing for a player's block rating to go up a few points because they're producing at a higher rate (attributes are a product of stats).
It's another thing to raise all his defensive badges to Gold/HOF based on that same limited sample (which 2K doesn't do). I would argue that Badges are significantly more important than Attributes nowadays when it comes to in-game performance.
I've watched him play and anything outside of 5 feet he is bad. 35.9% and 27.5%.
He takes a lot of bad contested shots.
Actually, they have.
Edwards shot ratings:
63 Close (-14)
66 Mid (-15)
72 3pt (-3)
Overall Ratings & Attributes are not mutually exclusive. Just because a player's OVR didn't change, doesn't mean they didn't.
Why didn't his OVR drop?
98 Intangibles (+13)
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Tyrese Maxey
FINISHNG: Slithery Finisher (B)
SHOOTING: Difficult Shots (B), Volume Shooter (B)
These same guys need to do pretty well during long time to get their ratings up while the others are up at the minimun they perform ok...
That's my impression at least.
Another impression is that they base their changes in some kind of stats support but you need to watch many games of every NBA team in order to get the players right, stats never tell you the whole story...
Badges (which are probably most important than ratings) assignment is quite deficient IMO.
These same guys need to do pretty well during long time to get their ratings up while the others are up at the minimun they perform ok...
Specific examples?
Stats (fact-based information) are important as a base because everyone will have different opinions on the contextual stuff.
Edwards shot ratings:
63 Close (-14)
66 Mid (-15)
72 3pt (-3)
Overall Ratings & Attributes are not mutually exclusive. Just because a player's OVR didn't change, doesn't mean they didn't.
Why didn't his OVR drop?
98 Intangibles (+13)
You are right, forgot I was using another roster.